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Timcast IRL - Sunday Uncensored #3: Facebook May Have Violated The Nuremburg Code Experimenting On People with Andrew Torba

Founder and CEO of alternative social media platform Andrew Torba joins the Timcast.com members-only segment to discuss how heinous Facebook has been in experimenting on people. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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andrew torba
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ian crossland
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tim pool
We're here in the after show, uncensored, where people will swear a whole lot, but unfortunately for all of you, Andrew's a gentleman.
He's not going to be swearing.
andrew torba
I'm a Christian man.
tim pool
Yeah, but we are going to talk about the evils of these big tech companies, and I'll have some questions for you.
Take a look at this story from Forbes.
Facebook manipulated 689,003 users' emotions for science.
For science.
Long story short, they were sending positive and negative stories to people's feeds to see how it would affect them and affect what they would post.
And that is evil!
So, Mr. CEO of Geb, have you ever experimented on your users?
andrew torba
This is things that we don't do, no.
And this is something that Sheryl Sandberg, by the way, came out and admitted.
Like, yeah, we did this.
And I don't think they paid any consequences for this, by the way.
And this stuff is still going on.
Whether they admit it or not, this stuff is still going on.
They run these type of experiments all the time.
They have teams dedicated to this type of stuff.
luke rudkowski
It's not only going on on this basic level of controlling emotions, it's on a higher level of controlling viewpoints.
Now I remember bringing up this article I believe last year when I was on the show and it was another lukism that had to be looked up and then we looked into it and they're like yeah okay this is actually true because it sounds absolutely fucking crazy.
But I've been talking about this for a number of years and this is what they publicly admitted to as they were doing multiple university studies with big organizations that some people say were connected to the CIA doing these larger human experimentation on unsuspecting users that didn't submit to be puppets and to be lab rats a part of these larger experiments.
So this is publicly available.
tim pool
Any one of us could have been a victim of this.
luke rudkowski
I think I was because I remember being on Facebook and just seeing gory fucked up shit and like police officers killing people and people dying and I was ISIS videos and I was like I remember feeling so disturbed and perturbed by what I saw on Facebook that it made me push away from the platform and not use it.
I used to check it all the time but then there was this one specific moment when they were saying they were doing this exercise that I remember seeing just the most awful Things possible that did have an effect on me psychologically, so I wouldn't be surprised if I was one out of the many hundreds of thousands who were experimented on.
tim pool
They operate, the powerful elites, the billionaires, and I'm not saying there's a grand conspiracy of coordination, but they operate under the idea that if they can erase the idea of freedom from your mind, you will be happy.
It's like what Harriet Tubman said.
She said, I freed many slaves.
I would have freed many more if only they knew they were slaves.
ian crossland
You know, Yeonmi Park, who was a defector, North Korean defector.
They called her a fucking defector.
She left the country.
She's an expat.
She fled the fucking country.
She said she didn't know what love was.
North Koreans don't understand the concept of love.
They're not taught it.
But they're definitely not happy.
I mean, maybe they think they are.
Maybe happiness is just a chemical rush you get from a tiny bit of external stimuli.
And if you're totally depraved, you know, a tiny piece, a crumb of bread will give you happiness.
tim pool
That's the crazy thing about language.
Just because you know mentioning her and not having an idea of what love was.
I explained this when I saw a person severely injured in a car accident.
There was a feeling I got that's indescribable.
There's no word for it in the English language.
There may be a word in a different language.
You ever stand on a really high point and you have a weird urge to jump?
There's a phrase for it in French, but there's no word for it.
There's a specific word that represents wanting to jump from a high place.
It's weird.
unidentified
It's weird.
tim pool
I don't know.
Totally derailing what we were talking about.
unidentified
I like it.
tim pool
Talking about language is awesome.
Oh yeah, defecting and fleeing the country.
ian crossland
Making people happy.
This is violating the Nuremberg Code.
The second principle of the Nuremberg Code is that it's being done for the betterment, to yield fruitful results for the good of society.
Now that's questionable.
Is Facebook's private data Aggregate like they're not giving people the answers to
this data as far as I know they're keeping that How does that benefiting society?
tim pool
This is what I was basically saying, you know If you look at a lot of what's happening with these big
companies manipulating people with the elites manipulating people
They're hoping that by purging your knowledge of these ideas
You can't complain about it But you don't like you say word if you can't represent that
feeling if you can't express that feeling the feeling may as well not
ian crossland
And that, as you pointed out, doesn't work because you still get the urge, maybe, if you're at the top of the thing.
I mean, Yeonmi Park wanted to leave the country.
unidentified
It wasn't like she... It works to a certain degree.
tim pool
You'll end up with a... So let's say in a hundred years they get their way.
People will know something is wrong.
They'll feel that pain in their hearts and eventually that will build up and then burst and the system will collapse.
What they want to do, it never works throughout history, The communists fuck it up every time.
The fascists fuck it up.
It doesn't work.
You cannot centralize everything.
It won't work.
They keep trying to do it.
I think you've got powerful interests like Bill Gates who are sitting there going like, now that we have mass surveillance, we can finally pull off controlling the world and it won't work.
Mass surveillance still won't do it because people are unruly.
You know, look, we have 10 chickens outside.
We got five chickens at the other location.
And you know what?
They're chill.
You want to go in there and you want to deal with chicken business and get their food.
You get mad when they shit in their water, but there's only 10 of them.
If there was 5,000, you would not be able to do it.
They'd be like, oh, you'd be like, okay, I gotta, you know, navigate this a different way.
You wouldn't be able to just take more.
Goats might be a better example.
Like 400 goats.
Just running around.
You need a dog.
You need someone to help you corral this.
These elites think they can lock the system down and create their homogenized, global, one-world system.
I do not believe they'll be able to pull it off the way they're doing it.
I think they're going to burn everything to the ground because they're fucking idiots.
ian crossland
I'm looking at this page.
This is from makeuseof.com.
I don't know if it's legit or not.
They're talking about Facebook social experiments that they've been doing.
There's another one in 2011 where they experimented on 29 million people, where they basically were showing them ads with and without your friend John.
And they found that you're more likely to click on an ad if you see one of your friends had liked it.
So then they started.
tim pool
Oh, oh dude.
And I had friends being like, yo, I never liked that.
Remember that?
Yep.
Yeah.
People would post screenshots and they'd be, and I remember I had someone, it said like,
you know, John did this.
And then I hit up my friend, they're like, dude, I didn't, I never liked that.
It's fake.
They're lying.
Whoa.
Yeah, totally fucked up shit, dude.
ian crossland
Wow.
The list goes on.
tim pool
Man, it's like, we are the resistance.
Is that what it is?
Is it going to get worse?
ian crossland
Resistance is good.
They call it resistance training and muscle building.
You need it to gain strength.
Trees resist the wind and gravity constantly, and if they didn't have wind, they would fall over.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
The resistance is good.
We are rejecting the establishment, the lies, the manipulation, the attempts at control over our lives.
But is it going to get worse?
Are we gonna, are we gonna take, you know, the Republicans, will they take back the House and then everything gets better, or is that just a pipe dream?
andrew torba
Yeah, even if they do, if it's the wrong type of Republicans, it's just gonna be the same song and dance with a different logo on it.
ian crossland
We can have a fucking house of cards.
tim pool
The Republicans are gonna win, and they're gonna go, now, now, it's time for unity in this country and civility, so we're gonna sit on our fucking hands and watch and laugh as you burn.
andrew torba
Right.
tim pool
And then we're gonna sit there going like, why won't they do anything?
ian crossland
They're not.
They can't.
They can't.
Foreigner people can't do jack shit.
They can command a military, but it's up to the military to do what they tell them.
tim pool
No.
400 Democrats are burning this country to the ground.
andrew torba
Right.
tim pool
But the Republicans just sit on their hands and go, duh.
unidentified
Right.
andrew torba
The difference between the left and the right is the left knows how to wield power when they have it, and they don't care about the Constitution.
They don't care about what law they're breaking.
They will deal with that later.
tim pool
The Republicans are just the vassal political party to the Democrats.
andrew torba
Yeah, just the controlled opposition.
Just the illusion of a different side to pacify the people that support the Republican Party.
tim pool
It's a really great point that Michael Malice brought up on the show once, that the Democrats are saying, we want to ban guns, and the Republicans are just saying, no.
When the Republicans should be saying, we should unban guns.
andrew torba
Right.
tim pool
The true opposition to the Democratic Party is, repeal the NFA.
Instead, we get Republicans going, hey, don't ban that gun!
And I'm like, yo, they already banned half of the guns.
What the fuck are you talking about?
You're doing nothing.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
So I don't know what the solution is in the long term, but I got to be honest, I think we're winning.
ian crossland
We are.
tim pool
I do.
I mean, especially how you guys have been able to just push through everything and no matter what they do, they can't knock you off the line.
unidentified
It makes me actually worried for your health and safety, to be honest.
andrew torba
I'm not afraid of that.
Again, the only thing I fear is God, so what will happen is what will happen.
I don't fear death.
I want to live.
I love my family.
I love my kids.
I love my life, right?
But they're not going to use that as an intimidation to me to prevent me from doing what I'm doing.
Obviously, I'm going to take as much precaution as I can.
I'm going to watch my back.
I'm going to take safety measures, etc., but I'm not going to live in fear.
I'm going to keep doing what I'm doing, and they can't buy me out with money.
They can't scare me.
They're just going to have to deal with me in some way, and it is what it is.
ian crossland
That's why I like decentralizing services, because if you have the keys, then they're going to come to you, the CIA or NSA or whatever, and be like, give me the keys or else, and then you're like, no, and then that's it.
But if you don't have any of that and you're just building it and then they're more focused on that and what's being
built and Not the people that are working on it, right?
unidentified
You made a good point yeah The next question is how do you do that?
andrew torba
The problem with decentralized, user-generated content servers is that what you're going to end up with is a lot of illegal content and a lot of spam and a lot of bots.
It just becomes chaos.
There's always going to have to be some sort of central authority that is putting some
sort of moderation factor in there, especially when it comes to human beings creating things
and doing things, when it comes to user generated content.
There has to be something.
I think the federated model is a really decent model because it says, you know what, if you
don't agree with the way Gab does things, well then you can go over here where they
ban X, Y, and Z and you're not going to see that stuff over here.
So giving people choices is not necessarily a bad thing.
And having more social networks, having more platforms where people have choices to go
where people are that share their values and go with a business or a platform that has
the rules that they think are the best for what they want to have.
tim pool
What do you think the future looks like?
andrew torba
Well, the big thing with these elites is they're pushing for transhumanism right now.
That is what they're going all in on, is they want to transcend human biology, and they want to, you know, push the synchronicity one step further, and they want to become God.
And, you know, we've seen this happen in history actually.
In the Bible, we have the Tower of Babel, and You know, God put a stop to that, and I think he's going to put a stop to what they're trying to do right now.
We cannot become gods.
They want to become the gods, and really, essentially, whoever does it first becomes the god, right?
And that's why they're all in a race to do this, because whoever does it first, whoever ascends beyond the biology, which I don't think is possible because of the human soul.
We can get into the theology of that.
We don't have to, but Whoever does that first in their minds, that's the next space race now, is the transhumanism race.
Becomes the god.
And when they become the god, the rest of us, they want to become sheep.
That's why they're pushing the metaverse and stuff, so that we're plugged in like zombies all day long, and they're running the whole world and controlling us.
That's their vision for the future.
I'm fighting against that future, by the way.
tim pool
So where do you think we'll be in three years?
Oh, goodness.
I'd imagine it'd be very similar to a certain degree, but I don't know, man.
We've got three years.
That'll be just after the 2024 election.
andrew torba
If you told me five years ago—well, actually, I probably would believe you, and that's why I started Cat—if you told me five years ago that a sitting president would be banned from Twitter, I don't think a lot of people would believe you.
I think they'd call you a crackpot, right?
Like, there's no way.
Get out of here.
But, you know, here we are.
tim pool
And a lot about the reasons, too.
andrew torba
Right, right, right.
You know, I was blessed with the vision to be able to see this stuff coming.
Even I didn't anticipate how bad it would get, how fast.
You know, look at the last two years with the coronavirus stuff, right?
Would anybody in their right mind, if we go back three years ago, say, well, guess what?
We're all going to be walking around in masks.
They're going to force vaccinations on us.
Are you going to lose your job?
We would have been here and be like, are you serious?
This is America.
We don't do that stuff here.
You know, and here we are.
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tim pool
December 2019.
We were getting ready to set this show up.
We were buying furniture.
Everybody was laughing and drinking and high fives.
The economy was booming.
Gas was under two bucks.
andrew torba
That world is gone.
tim pool
It's gone.
Joe Biden took a shit.
Shit.
All over.
ian crossland
everything i was planned i think that we use in him as a as a pariah like that dot military and i don't know what it
tim pool
is but i can throw all of their for all the problems they want to make they
can throw in his old decrepit man who's too stupid to realize
and job and and and uh... joe is standing there with obama obama does
you know how to do this show because he's their sacrificial lamb it's not even their
luke rudkowski
problems it's their They're using him to push through the most unpopular agenda, the things that people don't want.
They're going to rush through and implement all under the disguise of, he's just old, he's not paying attention.
No, they are paying attention.
They know exactly what they're doing and they're fooling a lot of people.
andrew torba
One of the things that I think about, especially as a father, I have a two-and-a-half-year-old daughter, and it breaks my heart that she is not going to know a world without these masks and without these vaccines and without the coronavirus.
She's not going to know what life was like before that stuff all came, because, you know, two-and-a-half years, right?
I think when she was six months old when this all started.
So, it breaks my heart when I see that, and I think about our children and how psychologically damaged all of this has made them.
And what is the result of that 10, 20 years from now?
What is that generation going to be like?
tim pool
Autistic.
ian crossland
Fetaversed.
andrew torba
Potentially.
tim pool
No, I don't mean as a joke.
I mean literally, they're afraid of faces.
Exactly.
They're not going to understand facial expressions.
ian crossland
Plug it into a machine instead.
Because you could video chat with people face-to-face.
tim pool
They're not going to understand social cues, social norms.
There will be none of that, and they will be very robotic.
ian crossland
That's my worst case thought.
Well, the worst case is they all go psychotic and eat each other, but that's like a bad case scenario.
They might come out of it and be like, hey, we went through it.
We know how horrible it was, and we're never going to put humanity through that again unnecessarily.
tim pool
I saw a crazy video of a deer that had a brain worm.
And it looked like a zombie and it was running in circles.
It was on Reddit, it went viral.
And people were talking about something called chronic wasting disease or whatever,
which was like, it's a pran disease where deer become like zombies.
And if they could transmit the pran disease to someone else and make the other deer zombies.
Totally unrelated, but you know, you're making...
andrew torba
Is it though?
Is it totally unrelated?
tim pool
That's what I thought about it.
You're talking about people becoming zombified and then infecting other people.
So we made the joke the other day that like we should do a sketch about a zombie apocalypse and the zombies are walking around and they're just like basically NPCs and then you can get turned into a zombie not by being bitten but by them you know like Rachel Maddow yelling at you and you're like and then all of a sudden you turn into one you're like Russia like oh no they got him That's what's going on.
andrew torba
Especially the older generation, they get home from work, or in many cases they sit all day in front of the TV watching CNN.
And that is all they know about the world.
That's very sad.
tim pool
That's my friend's dad.
I went and visited him over the holidays.
I didn't talk to him a whole lot, but he was telling me that his dad just watches CNN, so he believes all of this crazy bullshit.
And then I started talking, and I was talking about how Biden was pulling bullshit with Ukraine.
And I was like, I can name every name.
I've done all the research.
Mykola Zlochevsky, Viktor Shokin, blah, blah, blah.
And my friend's dad was just like, oh, I didn't know any of that stuff.
I haven't heard that.
It's like, well, yeah, you watch CNN.
Do you think they're informing you?
andrew torba
My grandpa's like this.
One of my grandpas watches CNN.
He's an old-school, working-class, blue-collar Democrat, and he still thinks the Democrats represent the working-class man.
He's like an old-school Dem.
And when we actually sit down and we set aside the partisanship and we have a human conversation as human beings, what we find out is that we actually agree with each other on a lot of this stuff.
That goes back to what I was talking about on the show before.
They want us batting heads with our family members.
They want me to hate my grandfather because he has a different political opinion than me on something.
And that's not right.
tim pool
That's what they want us.
I want to pull this video up.
It's from Flowbots.
It's called Handlebars.
I forgot why I started watching this.
Someone sent it to me.
And it's, uh, you guys, most of you listening probably heard the song, I can ride a bike with no handlebars.
It's actually a really, really good song.
It starts off as like this really friendly, like I can ride a bike with no handlebars, and I can rap, and I can sing.
And then the other guy is like, I can see how the world works, and I can grow, and then I can rule the, I can rule a nation with a microphone.
I bring this up because it's from 2008, and in the music video from 2009, it ends with one guy being a brutal dictator who's murdering civilians, and the bad guys all have the Black Lives Matter fist on their shields.
This is interesting because it's not really the Black Lives Matter fist, it's the Communist fist.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
With the MP5s, shooting.
the communists this on their shields it's even got the same you know line
going through it as the guns fired at the lives and the fives so it's interesting is that flow box this group
which are like particularly lefty back then were made a video saying communism is bad
and that symbol is a symbol of communism And fascism, right?
Mussolini?
ian crossland
Didn't Mussolini use it?
tim pool
No, they used the fascists.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, that's right.
tim pool
So it's the Roman salute or the red salute.
This is the red salute.
The left in the United States back then, criticizing the government, showed the government as communists being bad.
Today, they fly this symbol, marching down the street.
Someone posted on Reddit, this song was so prophetic, even though the symbol's on the wrong side and the color's wrong.
And it's like, bro, That is the machine, the government, the corporations, doing exactly what it was predicted they would do.
But you gotta be a special kind of insane to be, you know, 14 years later not realizing that what they showed you is coming to pass.
ian crossland
Do you think that the people that were running... I wonder if Stalin was running the Soviet Union or if there were corporations doing it.
Then they got to a point where they were like, we're sustainable now, we don't need the Soviet Union anymore, break it up.
tim pool
They were the corporation, right?
An organization is an organization.
I don't care if you call yourself the state or you call yourself a business.
With the Soviet Union, it was an organization, it was the party.
There was the president, there was his cabinet, whatever.
Big corporations just have different barriers, if any.
Similar structures, authoritarian, can do what they want.
And depending on how big they are, they have paramilitary groups that, you know, carry out their bidding.
For the most part, they don't have militaries, though.
But they will contract out to big security firms.
ian crossland
Yeah, they have killers.
They don't have militaries.
They have killers.
tim pool
Some of them do.
I mean, some of them have big security branches and stuff like that.
ian crossland
There were a bunch of oligarchs involved with the takedown of the Soviet Union.
The story is very convoluted.
It's very interesting.
I've watched a little bit about it.
tim pool
The story of Ukraine is amazing.
After the fall of the Soviet Union, the oligarchs, they would like walk into buildings and be like, it's my building now.
ian crossland
Yeah, were they corporate ownership?
They were oligarchs.
They were like businessmen.
tim pool
So this is what I was told by my Ukrainian friend.
After the fall of the Soviet Union, This one guy, who was like, it was big in the news, she was like, oh, so here's how this guy got power.
After the Soviet Union collapsed, he walked into factories with a couple of his friends with guns, and they told all the guys working, keep working, we'll get your supplies, we're in charge and we own this building now.
And the workers went, okay.
andrew torba
This is crazy.
I was actually thinking about this on the drive here.
I was looking at all the farmland and I was thinking about how everybody's freaking out because Bill Gates is buying up all the farmland.
I was like, you know what?
If you had a band full of guys with some guns, when the regime collapses, guess what?
This farm is now ours.
Because a piece of paper says Bill Gates owns this, do you think he's going to defend all those farms?
ian crossland
That's what they call du jour ownership and de facto ownership.
Du jour is by law, de facto is who's really running it, correct?
tim pool
I've thought about this exact same thing.
I've often said, I don't want to have U.S.
dollars, so I'll buy crypto, I'll invest in stuff.
The last thing I want is to be invested in the United States, to be completely honest, because I'm not confident in what's going on.
Not that I think we're losing, I just think the U.S.
dollar is in trouble.
And so I'm thinking of property, and I've got property in some places, and I'm just like, yo, if shit really hit the fan, I don't own that house.
It doesn't matter what anyone says, it doesn't matter what the bank says, or what the state says, or what I say, the dude who's got the gun and lives there is gonna be like, I don't know who the fuck you are, I don't care, it's my house.
What am I gonna do?
Get a bunch of armed guys to go take it back?
I guess, but then you could do that with any house, couldn't you?
andrew torba
Right.
tim pool
The only thing you have on your side is the moral clarity?
Well, it is my house, and therefore I decree, I guess. Ownership is a tricky thing when shit is the fan,
man. People are gonna be hungry.
ian crossland
I mean, that's been since the ancient, since the kings of like the middle ages,
they'd be like, I want that land. Okay, go fabricate a claim on it for me. And then he
goes and his buddy, his chancellor, like pulls a bunch of strings. And now all of a sudden,
there's some loophole that he's like, yeah, my great-great-grandfather was a duke in that city.
So now I have a right to it.
So he has du jour claim on it.
Now he has a legal authority to it.
Then he fucking takes it.
And if no one can take it back, then he has de facto control of it.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
ian crossland
That's been a historical precedent forever, using the law to get you in.
I don't know, man.
That's what civilization is, is supposedly protecting your legal authority to a piece of property.
tim pool
But that's, so that's what happened in the Soviet Union.
And so all of a sudden this guy's a billionaire now.
He's a billionaire because him and his friends took guns, went in and said, we're going to make sure you get the things you need to make the factory keep running.
We're in charge.
We're your boss.
The workers didn't give a shit.
They were like, we don't care.
We don't care who the boss is.
Just tell us what to do.
This is what we do.
We want food.
They say, we'll get you food.
We'll get you supplies.
They went to all the different factories, took them over and then there it was.
That's handed out guns to some of the guys and says, you answer to me.
And they said, you got a boss.
ian crossland
Same with the fall of Rome.
The barbarians came in from the North and eventually one barbarian King took control of Rome.
And now it's like a barbarian country, but no one gave a fuck.
They just kept living their lives.
The farmers did another, but the entire top level administration was eradicated and changed.
Now it's a bunch of barbarians.
Well, you know, that's what the Romans called them.
tim pool
And I think we're going to see as simple as possible.
ian crossland
Authoritative collapse and restructuring.
tim pool
Look, California announced they want to double their taxes, right?
So they can implement universal health care.
People are going to flee.
Rich people are going to flee.
And it's a lot of rich people in Southern California and Silicon Valley.
All the billionaires of Silicon Valley are going to get the fuck out of that place.
andrew torba
They're already leaving.
They're going to Miami, Texas.
Texas, Miami.
Austin, Miami.
This is the Balkanization stuff, right?
We're seeing a mass migration happen within our own country to the states that offer the most freedom, and that is not going to change.
People want to be free, and they're going to go to places where they have the most freedom, and we're seeing that happen in real time right now.
tim pool
You know what it means for me to be free?
It means that I can go outside, don't have to wear a mask, I can walk around in a circle, I can look at the chickens, I can plant some food, I can mind my own fucking business.
ian crossland
And no sniper's gonna hit you from next door.
tim pool
I'm not gonna, a cop's not gonna pull up and be like, where's your mask?
ian crossland
No, you're not gonna freeze to death, you're not in Antarctica, like, you're free to go walk around in Antarctica, but you're not gonna live for very long.
So like, we've got an authoritative freedom in the United States, where the law says if you obey us to this level, then you can do whatever you want at that level.
tim pool
Nah, Ian, you're a city dweller.
ian crossland
Oh, okay, you mean like, Out here?
tim pool
Yo, out here?
ian crossland
I don't know.
They got drones, man.
Now they do.
Now they got drones.
Look, satellite observation and stuff.
tim pool
Out where we are right now, mandates are meaningless.
When they do outdoor mask mandates, there was an outdoor mask mandate in Maryland.
There was a total mask mandate.
When we moved here, no one here abides by it because it takes human beings to enforce laws.
That's why it's stupid when Joe Biden's like, if you want to go up against us, you need nukes!
Nuclear weapons not gonna occupy a street corner, you fucking idiot!
ian crossland
It's not gonna change the law or change anybody's minds.
That's up to the humans.
tim pool
No, but look.
Soldiers, police officers, can stand in a street corner, and they can go to your house, and they can fuck you over.
But when you move out to less densely populated areas, there's no one here.
Pros and cons.
The cons, crazy crackpots might show up.
The pros, I got a bunch of fucking guns.
andrew torba
Rural life for the win.
And you know, what we saw during the pandemic is like in Pennsylvania, you know, I'm in, I'm in rural PA.
We saw homes exploding in value because people were leaving the city and moving to rural areas because guess what?
Now we're working remote.
Well, am I going to live in smelly New York city with all these restrictions where I can't even walk into a coffee shop without a mask?
Or am I going to live out in beautiful nature and work from home in my basement, which is what I do.
tim pool
You know what it is?
Do you know the story about how dogs got domesticated?
So this may be untrue, but the modern theory, which may have changed, is that human tribes would leave refuse behind, and wolves would then scavenge the refuse after the human tribe would move.
Over a very long period of time, some wolves were less scared of the humans.
And so when the humans would walk past, some wolves would run, but some would stay.
The wolves that would stay were described as having a lower flight time.
That's what they call it.
The flight time is the amount, is the distance a human can get to an animal before it leaves.
That pressure meant that the wolves more likely to tolerate the human were more likely to eat, more likely to survive, more likely to have puppies.
The humans who started tolerating the wolves also were more likely to survive because wolf urine was keeping predators away.
No animal attacks, no animals accidentally stumbling into a camp.
Over time, this created a pressure where the wolves were walking around the camp and the humans were totally fine with it because the humans that had wolves around were more likely to survive and have babies.
So there was a natural selection pressure for both to, you know, dogs are man's best friend.
The humans wouldn't tolerate aggressive wolves, so they were chased off and they wouldn't survive, ultimately creating what was the proto-dog.
andrew torba
Domesticated dog, yeah.
tim pool
The first domesticated wolves that were more dog-like, but ultimately what happened was the domestication process meant that wolves became permanent puppies.
Wolves as puppies are playful like dogs.
When they grow up, they become aggressive and dominant, and they're masculine, they're powerful.
Dogs remain children who love you always, like the puppies were.
The domestication process took away adulthood from dogs.
What we're seeing now in cities is the same thing happening to humans.
They can't get jobs, they don't know how to eat.
unidentified
Harry Potter, Voldemort, yay!
tim pool
Soy mouth, soy boys, low T. They are permanent children.
andrew torba
Permanent, yep.
tim pool
So we are wolves.
andrew torba
Wow.
tim pool
They are proto-dogs, or dogs.
And I don't mean that to insult them as dogs.
I'm saying they're at the point where they're acting like permanent children.
We who assume risks are more like the wolves.
andrew torba
Right.
tim pool
If this continues in a hundred years, everyone's going to be a soy mouth, soy boy, low T. Well, you saw what happened historically.
ian crossland
The dogs are the ones that survived.
The wolves are almost driven to extinction.
So we got to keep that in mind.
tim pool
I have a sci-fi movie idea based off of that principle, where an alien invasion happens on Earth and the aliens come peacefully bearing gifts, but aliens have rules, and the aliens who give the gifts of technology and long life don't want to be around humans who don't abide by their rules.
So then it's a hundred years later, the humans that all live with the aliens desperately love them.
They wear these ridiculous unitard suits and they're about five feet tall.
They have jet packs and like advanced weaponry and things like that, but they desperately feel love for those aliens because of the selection pressure.
And then there are roving bands of, of normal humans like today that use rudimentary weapons And so, like, my idea for the short film is a band of humans, like three or four, you know, a guy and some women or a couple guys, they go to raid a chicken coop because they're hungry and they need food.
And then a five foot tall little, you know, domesticated human runs out to defend the property for the aliens and launches in the air with advanced alien technology and is shooting stuff at them.
And then the regular humans who resisted this are shooting with bullets.
ian crossland
I think that's a good premise for an entire culture of movies.
That's a great idea.
tim pool
A universe?
ian crossland
To have, yeah, people that are in with the aliens and people that aren't.
tim pool
And they're pathetic.
And they're like, I just love them so much!
ian crossland
When it comes to dogs, this crossed my mind a couple nights ago.
I think that humans, I like the stoned ape theory where humans were like monkeys that came, or apes that came together.
They started eating psilocybin and inbreeding until they became, or hominids, or like ergot or whatever.
I think that dogs, they fed those to the dogs too.
They're like, no, meat and grain.
They fed them meat and grain.
I'm like, yeah, humans are crazy.
Yeah, it just came into my mind.
tim pool
I was like, see, I'm actually talking about reading.
ian crossland
I think that's why they're like with you and they have personality.
tim pool
No, it's because wolves are pack animals.
And the reason why humans and wolves work in that capacity is because of social functions that independently emerged between both groups.
So for instance, wolves, you can see the white of their eyes.
Dogs, you can see the white of their eyes.
Because when you're hunting in a pack, you can see where someone's looking.
Dogs are the only animals that understand what pointing means.
lydia smith
Dogs are also the only animals that first look at the left side of the human face.
They're one of only three species.
Rhesus monkeys, humans, and dogs look the left side of the face first when they look at someone.
tim pool
You know what's funny?
lydia smith
Because that's where the strongest emotion shows.
tim pool
I know a lot of people who listen to the show don't like this point, but we've done so much to try and piece together things, to look at the universe, and then try and do the math to understand it.
And everything I'm saying is based off of the readings, based on readings, based on analyses.
And then we get to this point where everyone starts believing in simulation theory, which is pushing everyone back towards the idea of just pure creation.
That there was no evolution, it was literally just we believe.
Have any of you guys heard of the show Big O?
It's an anime.
And I could be getting this wrong, but my understanding is that they all live in a computer simulation that was created, and all of their memories of everything before it, everything they believe is their history, is just manufactured as part of the simulation.
ian crossland
Is this in Paradigm City?
tim pool
I don't know.
I've never actually seen the show.
ian crossland
A fictional city-state called Paradigm City.
tim pool
I could be wrong.
It's like giant robots fighting.
ian crossland
In math, there's a thing called the big O notation.
Are you familiar with that?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
I don't know.
I just looked it up and saw it for the first time.
tim pool
Probably has nothing to do with it.
ian crossland
You know, man, I wish we had all the answers.
the limiting behavior of a function when the argument tends towards a particular value or infinity.
So if you're obsessed with an idea, there's a limiting effect to that obsession.
Maybe that's kind of what it's saying.
tim pool
You know, man, I wish we had all the answers, but I certainly don't.
ian crossland
I think they're there.
tim pool
I don't think you do either, Ian, because you made up the dog mushroom thing.
ian crossland
Yeah, for sure.
I think the answers are there.
You only need to put your body in a form where it's able to understand it.
That's what Tesla used to say, that he'd receive the information.
tim pool
Guys, I'm going to say something that I'm going to announce to the audience.
I've had this profound realization that there's only one truth.
There's only one light.
there's only one truth. Oh yeah. There's only one light.
There's only one source of salvation and it is Dr. Nancy Fauci. That was good though.
andrew torba
I was waiting.
I was patiently waiting.
I was patiently waiting.
tim pool
Dr. Anthony Fauci.
ian crossland
Look at that bobble head.
lydia smith
He has his own bobble head on his own desk.
tim pool
He's our only path.
ian crossland
I want to see without his glasses on.
tim pool
Nah, I'm kidding.
ian crossland
Screw that guy.
tim pool
Alright, man.
Andrew, thanks for hanging out.
It's been a blast.
andrew torba
Thank you so much, guys.
tim pool
Yeah.
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