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Nov. 17, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
02:26:55
Timcast IRL #409 - Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, Blaire White, Michael Malice & DrewHLive Join The Crew LIVE

Tim, Ian, Luke, and Lydia join Drew Hernandez, Michael Malice, Joe Rogan, Blaire White, and Alex Jones to discuss a wide range of topics from the Rittenhouse trial to Joe Biden's flailing administration, the crisis on the border, and the "I have kids to feed" argument, as well as the democratic system as a whole. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Participants
Main voices
a
alex jones
26:20
d
drew hernandez
08:13
j
joe rogan
23:47
l
luke rudkowski
12:13
m
michael malice
15:49
t
tim pool
44:57
Appearances
b
blaire white
03:49
i
ian crossland
02:46
Clips
j
josh hammer
00:31
l
lydia smith
00:30
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Speaker Time Text
tim pool
I have no idea what we're doing.
Just launch.
No, we're live now.
We're live.
People can watch.
Michael Malice sitting right next to me.
So let me just start with saying, no verdict tonight in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial.
I see people commenting like they thought they're doing this big show because they thought the verdict was going to come in and they're going to break.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
He's shaking his head.
Here's what happened.
Let me tell you the story.
So we're coming down to Austin and we're trying to find good people in Austin to talk to and Blair White.
unidentified
Hi.
tim pool
So we were like, oh, Lydia just ran out the door.
Okay, well, we'll show Blair White in a second.
alex jones
Joe Rogan is in town, and we have Michael Malice and Luke Radowsky and Tim Pool.
tim pool
Well, so here's what happened.
We asked Blair to come on the show, because we love Blair, and then Alex was like, hey, are you guys going to have... am I coming on at all?
And we were like, you know, it'd be really cool if you came on with Blair White, but we got to make sure Blair's cool with it.
blaire white
Of course, I was.
I was totally down.
And then it kept escalating, and then it was Michael.
tim pool
So then, someone leaked it to Michael, and he was like, you're having me on that show, right?
michael malice
Yeah.
blaire white
It was me, I leaked it to him.
alex jones
I like how he works in that we're all asking him to come on.
Of course we want to come on, Tim, you're great!
tim pool
But then it's like, I'm like, oh man, this is huge.
Like, what are we going to do?
alex jones
And then Joe Rogan calls.
tim pool
Well, hold on, hold on.
drew hernandez
You are the worst!
tim pool
Let him tell his story!
We had Drew Hernandez here, who's sitting right here.
I don't know what camera works for Drew.
drew hernandez
I don't know, Lydia, how do I switch this thing?
luke rudkowski
You've got a job to do, Lydia.
drew hernandez
We are all here, and it's amazing.
luke rudkowski
Get to work, woman.
michael malice
It's for me.
blaire white
Oh, I don't want to throw it across all this stuff.
michael malice
Pass it, Ian.
blaire white
Pass it along that way.
alex jones
I want to pass it.
luke rudkowski
We're a disorganized mess.
tim pool
I warned everyone this would be a cacophony.
You're now podcasting out of an RV brother!
alex jones
So hold on, so Drew is here.
No, the way it is, there'll be a lot of people talking.
tim pool
Drew is here, and I was like, Drew, Drew, if the verdict comes in, we...
Oh, hi.
alex jones
Oh, it's Joe Rogan!
unidentified
Hi!
There you go.
What up?
Bro, thanks for coming, man.
blaire white
Right on time.
unidentified
Right here?
alex jones
You're now podcasting out of an RV, brother.
Have a mighty equality.
Right on time.
michael malice
Ladies and gentlemen.
blaire white
Look at that beautiful person.
tim pool
Hi, Joe.
unidentified
All right, yeah.
alex jones
The show is about to begin.
drew hernandez
Yeah!
unidentified
The show is about to begin.
drew hernandez
We got Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, Tim Pool, Michael Malice, Drew Hernandez.
This is it right now.
alex jones
This is breaking the internet.
drew hernandez
Breaking the internet.
Everyone needs to share this link now.
joe rogan
A dog bit me!
michael malice
A dog bit me!
I did!
unidentified
What the fuck did you do to that dog?
I did I misgendered it. All right, so I'll talk about me like
tim pool
that. Let me Let me wrap this story.
alex jones
How did the dog bite you?
tim pool
We try not to swear.
michael malice
Why?
Suddenly.
tim pool
We try to be family friendly.
alex jones
We have a limited time with Lord Rogan.
unidentified
Let's hear what he has to say.
tim pool
So, Drew is here.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And we were talking like, Drew, if the verdict comes down on the Rittenhouse case, he's an eyewitness, he filmed it.
I was like, can you stick around to come on the show?
You saw the whole thing?
drew hernandez
Saw the whole thing, Rogan.
tim pool
He testified.
In the trial.
joe rogan
It was totally different than the video, right?
drew hernandez
What part?
joe rogan
Just kidding.
unidentified
No, it wasn't.
joe rogan
When you see people like Ana Kasparian saying, I thought it was a totally different thing.
blaire white
The footage has been out for like the entire time.
joe rogan
But everybody thought it was a totally different thing.
alex jones
They would also censor the footage.
You couldn't block it.
michael malice
Because the corporate press is the enemy of the people.
alex jones
Did you see how MSNBC would not show the defense responses, only the prosecution?
tim pool
Only the prosecution.
So we were like, Drew, stick around.
And then when this show just became whatever, whatever the hell is going on, everyone was
like, Tim, did you ask Joe to come on?
And I was like, oh, Joe, he's got a show.
He's a busy guy.
And I was like, well, hey, Joe, you want to break the internet?
You know, Michael was really excited.
joe rogan
I'm not breaking the internet, bitch.
I'm just showing up at your weird trailer.
tim pool
Remember when I told you, though, I was going to get a van?
joe rogan
This stuff is ridiculous.
It's awesome.
It really is dope.
The lighting, I love the fact you have a screen.
unidentified
It's brilliant, right?
alex jones
I love it.
I want it.
joe rogan
This is amazing.
tim pool
I like it.
So you can't see it on camera, but the screen we have for everyone to watch the news, like to see the news articles we pull up, rises up from the dresser.
joe rogan
Yeah.
alex jones
That's very fancy.
joe rogan
I saw that at Hugh Hefner's house.
That's right.
alex jones
So, Joe Rogan in the house.
Alex Jones, ladies and gentlemen, right about basically everything.
joe rogan
Finally, it's all coming down.
alex jones
The truth is coming out.
ian crossland
So Thomas Jefferson was in the Illuminati.
unidentified
Bunch of demons!
alex jones
Joe Rogan is the 46th president of the United States.
joe rogan
I smell sulfur!
unidentified
Oh my god.
tim pool
People are just giving us money.
unidentified
Hold on, that's how it works, dude.
tim pool
So it's hot in here.
joe rogan
Listen, it's kind of exciting.
alex jones
I like it.
Let Joe talk.
joe rogan
Isn't it kind of exciting, though?
Obviously, the world has gone completely into chaos.
unidentified
Yes.
Isn't it great?
joe rogan
We are in this weird position where the mainstream media is almost universally accepted as at least being mostly full of shit.
Or partly full of shit.
alex jones
Totally full of crap.
joe rogan
The most optimistic person says, well, they lie sometimes.
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
That was never the case with Walter Cronkite!
michael malice
Exactly.
ian crossland
Who also lied all the time.
tim pool
Or was it?
michael malice
He lied all the time and people didn't realize it.
alex jones
They lie like a crackhead hitting on a crack rock.
michael malice
Alex, every word they say is a lie, including and, and the.
alex jones
It's reached new levels of lying though.
michael malice
No, we've reached new levels of being able to expose them.
They were lied us into the Spanish War in Cuba a hundred years ago.
Nothing's changed.
joe rogan
That's the truth.
alex jones
Rosebud.
michael malice
Yes.
joe rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Gulf of Tonkin, Operation Northland.
michael malice
It's always been lies.
lydia smith
Mass destruction.
joe rogan
Right.
This is the way they do business.
michael malice
The New York Times refused to report that Germany was targeting Jews.
tim pool
Exactly.
michael malice
Because that would be buying into identity politics at the time, because Jews were white, and that's what Hitler said, Jews weren't white.
luke rudkowski
And the government knew about it, and they covered it up, including the railroads, which they could have stopped, but they decided not to.
michael malice
Hold on, let me just make one point.
There's a book called Buried by the Times, look it up, and this was how they covered it up, because they didn't want to buy into what Hitler was saying.
tim pool
How is it now different?
I think they've been lying the whole time, but how are we now figuring it out?
alex jones
Well, I'll tell you what's about to happen.
They're devaluing the currency on purpose to crash all the world of currencies and bring out the Great Reset.
michael malice
That's not what we're talking about, Alex!
luke rudkowski
This is the Build Back Better agenda, Malice.
alex jones
You're asking Malice why it's happening.
michael malice
No, why it's more obvious.
joe rogan
When a guy starts talking, you don't talk over him.
Do we have a conch?
tim pool
A conch to pass around.
unidentified
Let him talk.
alex jones
Go ahead, Malice, tell us.
It's the Great Reset.
ResetWars.com.
The point is, this is the Great Reset, and they're plunging the world economy by design to consolidate control and kill all the major currencies.
That's why there's inflation, that's why there's supply chain breakdowns.
I'm just telling you tomorrow's news today, there is a global destruction of the supply chain and the world currencies to bring in a new world currency based on the vaccine passport.
michael malice
The issue, what they were asking is, you know, has the corporate press gotten worse?
And my point is, we have more mechanisms to expose their depravity and malfeasance in real time.
For example, if this had been 20 years ago, they would have been in a position not to let this Colorado House video, anyone would never see it.
Now, if you have some kind of hack journalist with his cameraman, one's wearing a mask, one's not, everyone's got a phone, and all it takes is one person to film it, put it on Twitter or Facebook, and then immediately everyone can see it in real time.
alex jones
Michael, I totally agree with you.
joe rogan
Timberlake, I just sent you a text message with a meme.
It's an amazing meme with Alex.
You gotta look at this.
It's one of my favorite memes.
It's like, it's a you are here meme.
It's all the shit that Alex has predicted has come true.
tim pool
Let me read it, let me read it.
joe rogan
Can you get it on your screen?
tim pool
Not through a text message though.
joe rogan
You fucking primitive ape.
tim pool
Tweet it, tweet it out.
Post it on Instagram.
joe rogan
Don't you have a Jamie?
lydia smith
I can't do that, I'm sorry.
alex jones
Well, they'll pull it up.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait.
I can Facebook it to you, can't I?
alex jones
Let me just say this nicely.
Everybody's right.
I'm obnoxious and I'm horrible and I apologize.
joe rogan
No, that's not what the meme is.
The meme is that you're right.
alex jones
Well, thank you, sir.
joe rogan
I'll send you the meme.
alex jones
I'm saying Malice is trying to talk about how the establishment media is dead.
I'm talking about how the establishment is hitting us economically.
So he's making a legitimate point.
I'm making a separate point about the progenitor of the problems we have.
luke rudkowski
I think you guys are both true, there is a global awakening, but there's also a drastic escalation when it comes to the Great Reset, the Build Back Better agenda, what Klaus Schwab is having wet dreams about when it comes to enslaving humanity, making people live in pods, making people eat bugs, having them as little paid peasants.
michael malice
That's because they're not going down without a fight.
Once the mask is off, you better get whatever you can.
alex jones
But we win the fight quicker if we know who they are.
joe rogan
Look at that meme.
Make that larger.
Make that meme larger.
Look at that shit.
You're TV spying on you?
Check.
Elite cabal of sex traffickers?
Check.
They're turning their frogs gay?
unidentified
Check.
It's like... It's hermaphrodites, right?
joe rogan
Bohemian Grove?
Check.
Silver iodide?
Not really sure.
Rich people using baby blood?
I'm not sure.
luke rudkowski
That's true.
It's happening down in Mexico right now.
michael malice
Is it really?
unidentified
Yes, it is.
tim pool
People are doing that, yep.
joe rogan
You are here, human monkey chimeras, which he predicted a long time ago.
tim pool
Wait, you're saying the elves aren't real?
unidentified
Of course they're real.
tim pool
What is silver iodide?
joe rogan
It's like some shit that kills diseases.
unidentified
It's essentially true, but also poisons you and makes your skin blue.
tim pool
I'll point something out about this meme.
The TV's spying on you.
Alex, you were pointing these things out because they were happening.
The Turning the Frogs Gay, that was atrazine.
I believe that's a pesticide, right?
And that was messing with the endocrine systems of frogs, which was causing weird, deformed... I was just covering a Berkeley study, yeah.
michael malice
But it was more turning... changing their gender.
It wasn't making them... But here's the deal.
alex jones
I'll be here for five hours.
Joe's gotta go to his show.
michael malice
Then why are you yelling?
luke rudkowski
That's how he talks normally.
unidentified
I am the Alex Whisperer.
Take vaccine!
alex jones
Okay, I'm gonna hear what Joe Rogan has to say.
Joe's nice to say nice things about me, but Joe's also predicts a lot of stuff that came true.
joe rogan
What did I predict?
alex jones
Okay, my God.
Have you watched your earlier comedy?
joe rogan
I don't think I've... Oh.
lydia smith
Probably not.
joe rogan
Maybe.
alex jones
Okay, I remember in, like, 1999, I just met Joe before, like, gone to dinner with him and, like, this producer I know.
And then I'd go to see him at the Cap City Comedy Club, now defunct.
And he goes up and he goes, let me tell you what's going to kill the corporate media in Hollywood and everybody.
It's going to be the internet.
It was the first guy I heard say this.
unidentified
100%.
alex jones
He goes, there's no way they can compete with the internet.
He did this whole freaking rant and it was all true.
And then he went on to say, but the sucky part about technology is, is they claim all these Jetsons suits and jetpacks and all this incredible stuff, but instead your cell phone craps out when you're behind a bush.
joe rogan
Right.
The problem, like, this is like, uh, you ever see that movie Talladega Nights, where he says, like, you ain't first, you're last?
alex jones
Yeah.
joe rogan
He's like, I was high when I said that.
Same answer.
ian crossland
You know my problem?
unidentified
There you go, Ed!
ian crossland
I feel like corporate media is no longer NBC, ABC, now it's Google and Alphabet and Facebook.
unidentified
Oh, of course!
That's a good question, Ed.
ian crossland
In a way, it's worse.
michael malice
Facebook is worse than ABC.
joe rogan
It all needs to be decentralized.
unidentified
Yes, sir.
joe rogan
There needs to be decentralized, open communication where people need to find out what the fuck is really going on.
We're finding that through all these corporate, all these internet companies, whether it's Google or whether it's Facebook or Instagram.
If they can just censor you based on ideology, then you don't have freedom of speech because they're the primary means that people communicate.
So until we accept that there's some sort of utility, it's not as simple as it's a private company, when it's literally one of the main two or three ways that human beings share ideas across the planet-fucking-Earth, it's bigger than just a company.
And I don't know what the solution to that is, but we have to have that conversation.
ian crossland
Free the software.
joe rogan
They're abusing their power.
Because the way it censors is always in favor of the left.
And the people on the left think that's a good idea, but eventually you can't be left enough.
It's just gonna keep going, it's a machine, it's Pac-Man.
unidentified
Wait, wait, wait, I gotta ask Joe.
tim pool
So, a couple years ago, you had Jack Dorsey on your show.
You got a bunch of dislikes on the video.
We ended up talking.
You ended up inviting me out.
And I don't know... You destroyed it.
Well, it's not about that.
I wanted to ask you, like, how do you feel your opinion has changed since before we did that show and to where we're at today?
joe rogan
Well, there's a lot of things have opened my eyes.
Like, slowly but surely.
Like, seeing examples of people censored.
And some of them that don't make any sense at all.
Like, one of the best ones was Brett Weinstein and his whole... this whole Unity Party.
Yeah.
When that got censored, I was like, okay.
You guys banned an account for no reason because you thought that that account, which is by a bunch of influential intellectuals, was going to somehow or another take votes away from what you thought was the party that should win, and so you just banned the account.
So you're making these ideological choices about free speech.
So you're saying your free speech is not as important as the result that I want, and so you're going to ban people.
And when I saw that, I was like, this is wild.
This is fucking wild.
And then I talked to a lot of people that were the Second Amendment advocates.
They were saying before the election they were going back into their Instagrams and their Facebooks and finding posts from eight, nine years ago and banning them for those posts.
That they were going deep.
Yeah, they were doing that just specifically because they didn't want people influencing the vote in any way.
A thousand here, a hundred there, like if they could just chip away through all these different angles.
alex jones
And let's just briefly look at that.
Imagine, it's one thing for a An orthodoxy to take over and make you comply, but to punish you before it took over is thought crime before.
I mean, this is mind control.
This is like in science fiction.
This was never dreamed of where you're punished for behavior before the new orthodoxy comes in.
So you don't just submit in the current state.
You're going to pay for not adopting it before it was the new hellish.
michael malice
I got to correct you.
This isn't science fiction.
This is what they did in the Soviet Union, where if you were on the wrong side before Stalin took over, you were executed with your family.
So this has historical precedent.
luke rudkowski
My family was literally tortured in Poland for daring to question the government or not having the proper paperwork during a random passport check.
alex jones
No, no, no, no.
I know tyrants do that, Luke.
I know tyrants do that.
unidentified
Listen, listen.
tim pool
It's retroactive enforcement.
Retroactive.
joe rogan
They cut his fucking nose in Chinatown.
tim pool
I want to counter this, though, because we were actually heading in a direction in this conversation.
We were talking about how we're actually starting to realize how deceptive the media is.
And then I pointed it over to Drew because these same tools are what allowed Drew to be on the ground during the Kenosha incident, film it, and then be a witness.
The media could have absolutely shut it down.
You'd see a newspaper article, and it would say, white supremacist crosses state lines with gun.
And that's the only thing you'd know, and they tried it.
Drew, Richie, Jorge Ventura, Elijah Chafer.
alex jones
They broke that paradigm.
tim pool
You guys were down there.
alex jones
And then to watch the prosecutor try to go, oh, you're a right winger, you're evil.
It's like, it's footage.
It's raw.
Like Joe said, oh, and then they saw the raw footage.
Once you see that, it's game over.
drew hernandez
I literally tried to say that my footage was slanted in a certain way, and I responded, and I said, well, yes, it's BLM and Antifa literally rioting in the footage.
What people need to understand is this propaganda is so dangerous, not because they're just telling lies, but they're attempting to control the narrative, which is an attempt to control your mind, and that's what's dangerous.
Whether you're a Republican or a Democrat, that should seriously concern you, because this is what they do to control the minds of millions of people, and it's allowed on a daily basis.
It's encouraged.
It's encouraging.
Why don't people take issue with this, that people are trying to control your mind on a daily basis?
michael malice
Because the average man would rather be safe than be free.
We're taught since kids to defer that expert at the front of the room.
And one of the reasons they always talk about follow the experts, it's not just with COVID, it's also with this.
Am I going to look at the footage and draw my own conclusion?
Or am I going to listen to the prosecutor?
blaire white
It's so sad because I don't know any progressives.
I know a lot of progressives and not one of them knows that one of the victims of Kyle was a pedophile.
They all think it was an innocent black BLM protester.
michael malice
And who raped the kid.
It's not like he had attractions.
blaire white
Five kids.
And he was an underage boy during this battle with him.
So, it messed with people so badly.
I know so many people that have no information about the case, but have an opinion completely made up.
joe rogan
Wasn't the other guy, didn't he get all his charges dismissed on previous cases?
michael malice
Six days before.
luke rudkowski
Six days before he had a DUI charge dropped, but he was a career criminal.
I mean, he went down for domestic abuse, prowling, trespassing, two DUIs, felony burglary, two counts of carrying a firearm while intoxicated.
joe rogan
Bro, this is cult shit.
We're in a cult.
alex jones
This information is not based on reality.
unidentified
This is a left-wing cult and they're pumping stuff out and then they're confirming this belief.
alex jones
We are in a cult, Joe Sternheim.
joe rogan
This information is not based on reality.
This is a left-wing cult.
And they're pumping stuff out and then they're confirming this belief.
They're all getting together and they're ignoring contrary evidence.
They're ignoring any narrative that challenges their belief about what happened.
And they're not looking at it realistically.
They're only looking at it like you would look at it if you're in a fucking cult.
Sounds like religion.
It's a weird, left... Well, cult is a religion that's just, like, older.
I had a bit about it.
alex jones
Well, a cult doesn't let you ask questions.
Keep juggling.
joe rogan
Well, a cult is made by a guy, and that guy knows it's a cult.
In a religion, that guy's dead.
That's the difference.
Religions are just cults that last longer.
And some of them prove to be worthwhile, social and economic and even moral structures.
They actually benefit society.
Some cults are based on rituals or things that people learned and they realize this is a better way to live their life.
But some of them are just based on the present moment of gathering the most amount of, whether it is influence, or finances or what power whatever the fuck it is that's
what this is.
alex jones
I totally agree so let me ask the next question. I really want to hear what you have to say.
What is the period we're in now? It seems like it's coming to an end.
joe rogan
This is Kali Yuga man. This is some weird shit that was predicted by the
Bhagavad Gita. This is like this is the end of times.
alex jones
Guterr Dalarang, Battle of the Gods, Ragnarok.
Tell me.
joe rogan
This is what happens in cultures.
They go through these pitches, these ups and downs, and it's almost inevitable.
It's almost impossible for us with our human reward systems that are based on animal emotions and biology to manage millions and millions and millions of people all on one continent with money and the economy and the fucking environment.
It's almost impossible to do.
So it almost always slides into authoritarianism.
And the best way it slides into authoritarianism is to control the narrative.
ian crossland
So you say it's almost impossible.
How would you say we can do it?
joe rogan
Mushrooms.
alex jones
Beautifully said.
unidentified
We need mushrooms!
joe rogan
We gotta love each other.
We need mushrooms.
We gotta realize we're all in this thing together.
We can, instead of competing with each other, just do your best and give everybody hugs.
alex jones
Let's expand on that.
unidentified
No, you don't agree.
You're not in this thing with some of those people.
alex jones
Why do hallucinogens, why do hallucinogens taken properly create such peace?
joe rogan
Because they eliminate the ego.
And the ego is responsible for most of the conflict.
Most of the conflict is instead of thinking, I've got to get this guy back.
Just relax.
Everybody relax.
Everybody look at this.
What does everybody want?
alex jones
Like you forgave me three years ago when I was being a dick.
And it was so much better.
joe rogan
I tried to forgive everybody.
Listen.
alex jones
It was amazing.
joe rogan
What does everybody want in this life?
You want good friends.
You want to be safe.
You want your children to go to good schools.
You want your loved ones to be protected.
You want people to get by and have a good life for as long as they possibly can.
That's what everybody wants.
But you think that other people are trying to stop you from having that.
Other people are trying to stop you from having that.
There's a few sociopaths that want to gather it all up for themselves.
There's small amounts of people.
tim pool
But Joe, I've had this conversation with Ian a whole lot because Ian's the voice on our show who's always telling us to stop being so dark and try and bring people together.
But you look at the prosecutor in the Rittenhouse case.
alex jones
He's a demon.
tim pool
Overwhelmed, like lying.
You see the judge say that was a grave, grave constitutional violation.
joe rogan
I think that's been going on forever.
unidentified
It has.
joe rogan
Just finally we have the internet.
unidentified
Correct.
michael malice
Thank you.
tim pool
And now we can see it for what it is.
michael malice
And now conservatives are realizing, you know the old conservative line about like, oh, if you haven't done anything wrong, don't worry about getting arrested, you'll be fine?
That's not true.
I know, but conservatives are now realizing, wait a minute, when the government, the eye of Sauron has you in their sights, they're going to do whatever they can.
alex jones
I've been experiencing that, where like they just lie about everything.
michael malice
Alex, what were you just saying about not interrupting?
unidentified
I don't have a lot of malice for me.
michael malice
I don't have a lot of love for you.
alex jones
Start over.
michael malice
I'm not going to start over.
I'm just going to say my one sentence, which is conservers now realizing when the government, which is the eye of Sauron, has you in their sights, they're going to do whatever they can to break you.
And this is something that disproportionately hurts poor people.
And the left has been arguing about that for a long time, and they were right.
joe rogan
Yeah, that's inarguable, right?
alex jones
But now the left's all anti-free speech, anti-due process.
luke rudkowski
Well, there's something to say about what's happening right now.
Some people have called it the fourth turning.
You could feel it.
It's energetic.
You know something's happening.
You see the Titanic.
You see the iceberg.
You're like, holy cow, the ship is heading somewhere.
But at the end of the day, we could still decide where it goes.
And I think, to Joe's point, mushrooms, decentralization are ways to start the conversation.
But I think we should focus on that as well, because I think that's the true kind of opening that we should be really examining and looking into, because there is something to talk about with so much power and influence here.
We could do something incredible here.
tim pool
I don't know about mushrooms, but that NAD stuff was legit.
ian crossland
Nicotinamide, adenine, dinucleotide.
blaire white
Can we talk about DMT while Joe's here?
Because he's giving me DMT next week.
unidentified
I am?
blaire white
Or should I not say that?
luke rudkowski
No, no.
blaire white
We were thinking about it.
tim pool
Going down to South America for a religious retreat, perhaps?
ian crossland
Oh, I'm so in.
unidentified
Well, I take DMT every morning.
luke rudkowski
We all take DMT when we sleep.
alex jones
That's what I was saying.
blaire white
How do you prepare for your first time, though?
Because I'm nervous.
ian crossland
I've heard you got to do a dieta, which is a 10-day fast It's the same thing it's dimethyltryptamine look it's good to have an empty stomach Yeah, but listen what you really need to do is just relax and let it happen.
Have you taken ayahuasca?
joe rogan
No, I'm only taking DMT.
ian crossland
I just dive in.
joe rogan
Have you taken ayahuasca?
It's the same thing.
It's dimethyltryptamine.
Look, it's good to have an empty stomach, yeah, but listen, what you really need to
do is just relax and let it happen.
ian crossland
Have you taken Aya?
joe rogan
No, I've only taken DMT.
ian crossland
We've got to do ayahuasca.
joe rogan
I've taken...
I don't know what to do shit with you.
unidentified
You filthy hippie!
Get a haircut!
joe rogan
We need to.
All of a sudden, I'm at his house, like, confused.
When do I throw up?
No.
It's like, all these psychedelic drugs, the big thing is just letting go.
That's the biggest problem that people have.
alex jones
Let yourself go, like Elvis says.
joe rogan
It's hard to just not fight it.
luke rudkowski
Well, that's one of the biggest lessons when you do delve into psychedelics, is not to take yourself too seriously.
Let things go.
Let love and the positive energies kind of flow in a direction where you're not trying to control everything.
When you're trying to control everything, that's when things get nasty and disgusting, whether in relationships, whether in government, whether with religion.
Anytime you try to force something onto someone, shit gets bad.
joe rogan
It gets disgusting.
alex jones
I totally agree, but while we've got Joe here, let me just ask this one question of Joe.
I want to hear from Tim and everybody here, but this is my real question.
After all the suppression of free speech we've seen in the last 20 months, and after all the attacks on medical experts that were pointing certain things out that's now all been proven right, I mean, what does the power structure do now that it's committed seppuku, suicide?
I'm really concerned.
joe rogan
No, no, no, don't be naive.
It has not committed suicide.
Most people still believe the news is accurate.
Most people still believe I took horse dewormer.
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joe rogan
Bye.
alex jones
So you're saying I'm blinded by the fact that I can see what's going on?
joe rogan
It's your job!
You're like a guy who's like a tennis analyst that thinks that everybody knows who Roger Federer is.
Most people have no fucking idea, right?
It's like the amount of people that actually pay attention to all this shit is fairly small.
alex jones
So I'm blinded by the fact that I'm informed.
That's a good point.
joe rogan
Yeah, you're very informed.
You're always on it.
But most people are uninformed because they're busy all day.
They have jobs and they have kids and they have a mortgage and they fucking go bowling or whatever they like to do.
They don't have the time.
unidentified
They watch football.
joe rogan
They don't have time to be paying attention to all this fucking shit.
alex jones
So instead of a normalcy bias, I have kind of an awake bias.
tim pool
So what do we do then?
Listen, listen.
I was arguing with someone about the Rittenhouse trial right now.
A friend of mine who's on the left who said, I don't understand how you're defending this kid.
And when I said, like, a few key details about the case, they said, I didn't hear that.
And then they responded, to be honest, I was kind of just listening in the background while I was at work.
michael malice
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joe rogan
It's all crazy, right?
Like, should he have just showed up with an AR-15 at this protest?
Like, why is he there?
He's a 17-year-old kid with a fucking loaded gun.
alex jones
But then you learned his dad lived there!
joe rogan
Then you learned that his family had a store there, right?
alex jones
Yeah.
joe rogan
They worked there.
Didn't his dad's family work there?
alex jones
His dad had a business and his business.
tim pool
His dad has a grandma, his cousins, he worked there, his best friend.
alex jones
That was his hometown!
His mom had left.
joe rogan
But how wild are these fucking people?
This is like wild and wonderful whites of West Virginia.
They said, son, load up your AR-15, we want to drive you to the protest.
You're 17, like to take a 17-year-old kid to the middle of a fucking protest with a loaded AR-15.
michael malice
It wasn't a protest, it was a riot.
joe rogan
It was a violent riot.
Okay, let's say it's a riot.
alex jones
But before it happened, it was a protest.
blaire white
He should have been there, but no one should have been there.
joe rogan
Negative.
He said, I'm going to a riot.
sides mean Alex have children negative when you have kids the last you want to
tell your 17 year olds hey son I'm gonna take you down to that riot yeah my son's
alex jones
bigger than me and you're gonna pop off some cash that I'm going to arrive at
joe rogan
beat his ass for a minute that's wild shit like It's not a judgment call.
I'm saying it's a very unusual move to drive your 17-year-old kid across the state line.
alex jones
I like Rittenhouse, but they're a little weird.
tim pool
The state line thing is too much.
31 miles!
joe rogan
It's still a state line, right?
Hold on.
Here's why it's much.
Do you know the law?
There's a law when it comes to firearms.
unidentified
He didn't bring a gun across state lines.
joe rogan
State lines are a real thing.
If you live in one place and you go to another place specifically for this reason, the prosecutors or the lawmakers or whoever is going to look at it very differently.
Just because you're crossing a state line.
That's just a fact.
tim pool
It's like you're invading.
joe rogan
If you do something inside of Kansas, that's inside of Kansas.
If you decide to cross over into another place, it becomes a different thing.
tim pool
That being said, there are people who live in places like Buffalo and Detroit and Calexico who have enhanced IDs who are able to go back and forth as if it's not.
joe rogan
Is that what he had?
tim pool
Well, he lived like a mile from the border.
unidentified
It's a veteran community.
tim pool
And Kenosha was, it's the suburb of Kenosha.
joe rogan
But what a lot of people are missing is he went across the border and then got a gun.
michael malice
Right, he didn't cross the border with the gun, correct.
joe rogan
So he went across the border and then he got it also. He's not even 18
It's it's kind of wild like if you think about an actual 17 year old boy, they're boys
michael malice
He's more of a man than any of those police. He did a very good
joe rogan
Cut nose At the same time Nicholson in Chinatown. They cut his nose,
luke rudkowski
but but not too much shit But but Joe you got to understand during that summer police
officers stood back police officers Stand down don't do anything. Oh, it's not a clean. That
was a huge aspect to it And it's not, and I don't think it's the best case to argue, but I think this is the kind of pivotal point that a lot of people, especially the corporate media, are focusing on, because this is the argument that they want to make to disarm people.
alex jones
Well, I'll go back to, they're not showing the defense arguments on a lot of TV channels.
That discredits them right there.
But let me ask Joe before he's got to go here, because he's got to go to a comedy show tonight.
Let me ask Joe his view, shifting gears, on the political correct wars.
joe rogan
Hold on, hold on.
We're talking about this, because this is an important thing to expand on what we're talking about here.
Here's the problem.
Here's the big problem.
Why did he have to do that?
michael malice
Hold on!
joe rogan
Why did he have to do that?
michael malice
I have an answer for you.
alex jones
Why did the police stand up?
joe rogan
No, no, no, no, no, no.
What compelled him to do that?
Because of anarchy!
Because there was chaos in the street, because they were allowing it to happen.
unidentified
Correct.
joe rogan
The reason why people were willing to tell their kid, hey, this is a good idea to get your fucking loaded gun and, you know, like...
alex jones
Civilization's collapsed!
luke rudkowski
This wasn't anarchy.
This was state-funded mainstream media promoted chaos.
joe rogan
These people aren't getting like detailed instructions on exactly what to do.
They're Antifa people, right?
They're wild motherfuckers that have criminal records.
michael malice
They are getting instructions.
joe rogan
They're very organized.
michael malice
Whatever the cell is.
alex jones
So Joe, what happens when he's found on I'm guilty, I predict that.
joe rogan
But when they're telling him, do you think someone's telling him to attack this kid?
tim pool
No, hold on, hold on.
They were telling him to attack Adam Seckhart?
Hold on, I can actually answer this.
blaire white
He spent his whole life attacking kids.
tim pool
There's something important a lot of conservatives don't understand about these wealthy billionaires who fund these non-profits.
There will be two people from an organization that is funded.
They come down to events and they know there's a lot of angry people who have no idea what's going on.
They don't say to them, hey, go attack that kid.
They just say things like, if anyone tries to stop them, don't let them.
Respect the diversity of tactics.
It's a very common phrase.
It means if someone is committing acts of violence, let them do it.
That's bad.
And they have strategies.
They call themselves often facilitators.
They will come down to a riot and then guide the destruction in certain ways and try and take the violence and use it.
alex jones
We got secret Antifa documents five years ago where they, even in Democrat areas, are working with the police and the government and they have targets they're going to burn, things they're going to hit.
It's all secret.
joe rogan
Not only that, but in some ways it's a rhetorical question.
What I'm saying is why did he have to do that?
We had to do that because everything was falling apart.
alex jones
Joe, elaborate!
michael malice
Can I just say one sentence?
I had Robert Barnes on my show this week.
He worked for the defense team.
And my understanding, according to Robert, is the people who ran that car dealership called Kyle and several other people because that car dealership had been hit night after night.
So they were specifically called in to defend this location.
There's four locations and they circled around.
alex jones
Which people are allowed to defend their property?
michael malice
Yes, of course.
Especially when the police are saying we refuse to do anything.
blaire white
So Joe, to answer your question, People forget how bad summer 2020 was.
Like, I lived in the middle of Hollywood when it was all at its peak, and I had to evacuate my home and hide in the woods and stay there for like two weeks until it was somewhat safe to go back.
I'm surprised there wasn't more of that.
There wasn't more car wrecks.
luke rudkowski
Three dozen people died.
alex jones
How many?
unidentified
Three dozen.
drew hernandez
Listen, I showed up on night one in Kenosha, right?
And right when I showed up on the scene, they already had dumpster trucks on fire.
The reason why I decided to take an Uber from Chicago all the way to Kenosha was because on Twitter, they were already taking bricks to police officers' heads and knocking them unconscious.
So there was literally nothing peaceful.
It was never a peaceful protest from night one.
Mostly peaceful.
media doesn't want to talk about this. A mostly fiery peaceful protest, right? But it was, listen,
I always say this, Kenosha from night one was obviously a riot, but it was a crime scene for
three days straight. And here's why I say this. On the third night, when I returned back to Kenosha,
I was talking to some of the people on the ground, some of the people that had their businesses burned
down to the ground. When you were walking down the street, people had their windows boarded up.
They were writing things like, children live here.
You want to know why they were writing that?
Because there was a threat to the community.
There was an obvious threat to the community.
People thought that they were going to die, Alex.
People thought that they were going to die in Kenosha because of violent acts that were being committed by these criminals.
And they're trying to paint this picture that they were peaceful protesters.
At no point was Kenosha a peaceful protest on night one, night two, or night three.
And Joseph Rosenbaum was violent.
michael malice
And Night 4, after Kyle did his duty, they brought up the National Guard.
tim pool
Abolish the police.
michael malice
Yes, of course.
alex jones
Hey, but Joe, you were saying it's all rhetorical.
What's the answer then?
joe rogan
I don't have an answer, bro.
unidentified
Come on, man.
tim pool
I do love the constant, like, Joe, tell us.
alex jones
He ain't gonna be here the whole time.
tim pool
I know, but still.
luke rudkowski
Joe, just fix the world already, alright?
What are you doing?
Come on.
We're waiting here.
joe rogan
Trying to guide this thing.
luke rudkowski
Do everything for us.
joe rogan
What was the question?
You know, Blair's right.
We forget what the fuck it was like.
tim pool
It was terrifying.
joe rogan
It was terrifying.
The world was falling apart.
There was cop cars lit on fire all throughout Hollywood.
They were calling a curfew in Beverly Hills at like 4pm.
But you know what's crazy about the cop cars?
blaire white
Santa Monica.
joe rogan
Correct, yeah.
windows and stealing Santa Monica and they were allowing it they were letting
it burn out yeah they so people had this feeling that no one was gonna protect
anyone correct like yes when you look at the way things stand today we have much
more of assembles of law and order but when you go back to those George Floyd
protests it was anarchy it was legitimate chaos and I don't think
people have long memories they're very short memories you're talking about but
blaire white
the cop cars actually I know someone who rents out a ton of prop cop cars for
movies in LA and some of those were fake like on Melrose Which is weird, I don't know why.
joe rogan
They were fake cop cars?
unidentified
What?
blaire white
Yeah, they were prop cars.
alex jones
Well let me tell you, there was- I don't know why.
There was shooting and burning and robbing in Austin and deaths.
I was driving through and Andy was backing on my window, so there was stuff going down there.
blaire white
Yeah.
joe rogan
Yeah, I don't know if those were fake cars, but I know that's a fun thing to say.
unidentified
Those cop cars weren't even real, bro.
They were made by the million dollars of property loss.
michael malice
They were prop cars like Alec Baldwin's prop gun.
joe rogan
Well, the scariest thing was looking at New York City, when they were smashing windows in that really, whatever that art area is.
michael malice
Soho.
joe rogan
Yeah, they were stealing things right out of these buildings, and the cops were literally standing on the corner watching that happen.
That is madness.
luke rudkowski
I remember watching that on Fox News.
They were literally... I wouldn't say this was anarchy, because if we had anarchy, we would have peaceful, harmonious trade of capital.
unidentified
Amen, brother!
luke rudkowski
what we had is government-funded orchestrated chaos by the top institutions and powerhouses
in this world saying I want this to happen I will incentivize it I will spread propaganda
I will put fuel on the fire guaranteeing that this violence exploded.
alex jones
Can I ask Joe, 100% 100% 100% Joe I got a question for you and I'm not trying to change
subjects because the written house thing is huge and anarchy is all what about Joe Biden
because you early on said he's seen all a year before he got in. Everybody said it it wasn't me.
Let me ask you then what that's my next question everybody go around the round table
What is the prediction?
Because now they're in the Washington Post and the New York Times saying Joe Biden's got to go.
Kamala Harris, Pete Buttigieg.
What happens to Joe Biden?
joe rogan
Well, have you heard the things that, like, they're trying to figure out whether, like, Jill Biden was asking whether, did you read those things?
Jill Biden was asking whether or not they can get rid of Kamala?
Yeah.
drew hernandez
Whoa, really?
joe rogan
I don't know if it's true.
alex jones
I just read some stuff online.
It was like on MSNBC before I came on the show.
joe rogan
But at the end of the day, they've got to find someone who could fill Joe Biden's shoes.
But if they decided to have Pete Buttigieg leapfrog over Kamala Harris, it's going to be wild.
Because the hardcore lefties are going to abandon each other.
It's going to get really wild, because the people that wanted her in there because of identity politics, and now have a point of argument, even whether or not they think she was good or not.
They think that she got in, they wanted her in, for whatever specific reasons, and now she's in, and you're going to have this guy leapfrog over her?
If that happens, if they think the only way they can win in 2024 is Pete Buttigieg, we're going to have wild... And see, I am kissing Joe's ass, because he's really politically smart, and he knew this 20 years ago, but he's doing it now.
alex jones
Exactly.
They're clearly pre-positioning Buttigieg to take over.
joe rogan
It's all over the fricking news.
michael malice
It's a trial balloon.
Because her approval ratings are 28%.
Everyone in Washington hates her.
Gavin Newsom hates her because she took the California position for the presidency away from him.
What?
joe rogan
He hates her?
michael malice
Of course he hates her.
unidentified
How do you know?
michael malice
Because she's... You're talking shit.
joe rogan
Is that why they cut your nose?
alex jones
That's fake.
It's a false flag.
michael malice
Careful, Alex.
You don't want to get in trouble with that.
luke rudkowski
I think they're going to take Michelle Obama or Oprah 2024.
alex jones
They're openly saying everywhere, we've got to replace Biden now.
And that's everywhere.
So I'm asking, what are they planning?
joe rogan
That satchel page thing was over the top.
People were like, check!
Check, please!
ian crossland
What was that?
joe rogan
The Negro thing?
The Negro Leagues?
alex jones
Yeah, he goes, he's the number one.
I won't even say it.
He's the best in the world!
tim pool
Did you see, though, when the judge... I keep going back to the Red House case.
The judge said, I hope Asian food's not on the Long Beach port.
They were like, what a racist!
unidentified
Joe Biden comes out and said, you know... Took the heat off him.
alex jones
Let's be 100%...
Right.
It's clearly something's wrong.
joe rogan
It's not fair.
To judge him in comparison to judging Obama when he was in office or judging even Trump when he was on, it's not fair.
He's got a problem.
There's something wrong with him.
It's not as simple as, I don't like the things he stands for, or the special interest groups that have got him into power.
I don't like his politics.
That's not what's going on here.
This is a man who's compromised.
Something's wrong, and he's deteriorating.
And either we admit that, and we all know it, or we don't admit it.
So if we don't admit it, then China just starts fucking filling up Facebook with a bunch of fake pages.
We have chaos constantly.
That's part of what's going on with the conversations that people are having online.
alex jones
Nobody respects us because of him.
It's insane.
michael malice
He's the first president who's literally shitty.
joe rogan
Michael Mouse, ladies and gentlemen.
Give it up for Michael Mouse.
But that's part of what's happening, you know?
It's like, we're in the cult, and if you're in the cult, you have to pretend that the cult leader's okay.
You know the cult leader's not okay.
alex jones
In fact, have you seen all the Twitter stuff?
joe rogan
More and more people are opening their mouths.
More and more people are going, hey, we gotta do something.
And people are like, yeah, okay, okay, okay.
And so they're coming out of this fucking fog, and they're going, what about that Pete Buttigieg guy?
Well, he spent three months off for his fucking kid.
People have short memories.
Let's get him back in here.
alex jones
What about the meme I sent you today of like the Hollywood guys going, he's a rock star, he's punk rock.
I mean, there's still, some are still trying.
joe rogan
Oh, that's Joe Biden.
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
Pete Buttigieg does have intelligence agency connections.
So he was tried to be as the kind of prop guy.
They did try to push him.
So I wouldn't be surprised if they try to push him again.
But again, the mainstream media, let's admit this.
michael malice
Don't call it mainstream, Luke.
luke rudkowski
Corporate media put in Biden.
The corporate media will be putting in the next president of the United States.
joe rogan
Well, they're gonna try.
luke rudkowski
And to me, Biden is the fall guy.
joe rogan
They're definitely gonna try, but the problem is they don't have, like, a clear, like, a person that stands, like, oh.
Like, on the right, if Trump wasn't around, you look at Ron DeSantis, you go, that's the guy.
He's strong, he's reasonable.
alex jones
Shut the f...
joe rogan
He's strong.
He's reasonable.
He's calm.
He's made great judgment choices during this pandemic with Florida.
They've turned out to be, like, although controversial, ultimately, you go good to, like, the end result.
Good choices.
alex jones
Well, you know why I don't like Trump.
joe rogan
In terms of, like, business, in terms of, like, real estate, all these different things that didn't deteriorate like they did in these other countries where they kept the same mortality rate.
You look at Florida's business.
Florida's business did very well in comparison to, like, California.
But California took a big hit.
The restaurants, even though they have the same sort of mortality rate, when you adjust for age, Florida did better.
And then when you look at business, Florida did way better.
luke rudkowski
California has double the cases of Florida right now.
alex jones
But here's the next question.
joe rogan
But who's fault is that?
alex jones
I didn't get, like, money because I supported Trump.
I didn't think Trump was perfect.
I thought that he was... You got Pokemon dollars, right?
Exactly.
I thought he was more of a populist, better than, you know, what we were being offered.
And so, with Hillary Clinton, who I know is evil.
But now, I almost see Trump as destructive because he becomes the opposition to the Democrats, but he's got his own issues.
I wanted to be populist, not left or not right, but Americans coming together and saying no to Joe Biden, I know the Democratic Party lied about Russiagate and all
of it.
I don't think Trump's a bad guy, but I want to be clear.
At the end of the day, he went along with Warp Speed.
He went along with the experimental shot, and he's pigheaded, and he won't admit he
was wrong.
So I'm not going to criticize Biden and Pfizer for this and Fauci and then give Trump a pass.
And with Trump's base, I go to these big events with 5, 10, 20,000 people.
They're really upset.
And then Trump is so pigheaded that he is still going along with the vaccine.
tim pool
They blew him in Alabama.
We have to say, always talk to your doctor about what's right for you.
Don't take advice from people on the internet.
Talk to your doctor if you're feeling unwell and you want to get advice on what you should do to treat yourself.
Pfizer loves you.
alex jones
Take your booster shot.
unidentified
Now they're doing a... This show's outrageous.
tim pool
New York has announced booster shots.
joe rogan
I'm not comfortable here.
unidentified
The UK now... Fucking trailer on the side of the road.
Don't you know who I am?
tim pool
We're in a trailer on the side of the road.
unidentified
England is announcing...
alex jones
If you don't have the boosters, you're going to be locked in your house just like Austria and Australia.
Oh, but let's not talk about it because they'll ban us on there.
You're right.
I want hundreds of shots, and I think Trump's wonderful then.
Alex Jones is sick.
I'm sick of fucking Trump!
tim pool
And I'm sick of all these fucking people.
joe rogan
Why haven't you guys gotten him drunk yet?
tim pool
We can't do that.
That's bad.
unidentified
No, listen, listen, listen.
luke rudkowski
This RV's going to crash.
tim pool
There's a big difference between someone's private medical decisions.
The way I see it is, I went to the doctor, you went to the doctor, and they gave us specific medical advice.
Joe, let me tell you, when I talked to the doctor, I actually asked them, I said, I don't want ivermectin or Z-Pak.
I said, the monoclonal antibodies fix me up just right good and the doctor said no i want you
to finish what you've been prescribed and i said do i do i really have to and they said yes
because if it comes back this is what we're prescribing you and so i was actually like kind of
critical and the well the media still lies about it the point is if you go to your doctor and you
figure out whatever you want i don't care that's fine do what you want to do if you if you
know a lot of people have asked me like would you get the vaccine now
Well, I got Regeneron, the monoclonal, so I can't.
And it provides eight months of protection or whatever.
That's what they're saying.
The point is, mandating by government a medical procedure for you to buy lunch is fucking insane.
alex jones
It is.
tim pool
Why are you swearing on the show?
unidentified
It's over, all right.
tim pool
It's over.
But if someone, if, look, I've got, we've had so many people on the show who are like, one guy was in his 50s and he says, doctor recommended it.
He got it.
He's absolutely fine.
He feels great.
If you choose to do it, I don't care what you choose to do, I'm not going to pretend to be a doctor, I'm not going to pretend to know the secrets of the universe, but I will stand up and say, fuck the government, if they're going to tell you, you're obligated to get a permanent medical procedure, otherwise you can't work, you can't eat food, you can't go to the movies, you can't go to the bar.
alex jones
Well, Tim, Tim, Tim, let's fact check this.
Fauci and Gates came out last week in videos I've played, like, 50 times.
People can pull this up.
And they both said, oh, sorry, it really doesn't work or do anything.
We've got a new vaccine coming out.
After six months, there's basically no immunity from the shot.
That's not a vaccine.
joe rogan
That's a gene curve.
unidentified
It's a paraphrasing.
tim pool
Yeah, come on, come on, come on.
The challenge with this stuff is... No, no, no, no.
alex jones
Joe, tell them.
joe rogan
I mean, I could... Yeah, it wanes.
It wanes after time.
Well, the real problem is it's unscientific because they don't recognize the natural immunity from previous infection.
Like if you have a real infection with COVID and you recover, you have a more robust natural immunity.
It's been shown by the Israeli study, which is 2.5 million people that have between six and 13 times better immunity than you got from the vaccine.
alex jones
Let Joe finish.
unidentified
They're in denial about this.
joe rogan
So they negate this and they pretend that it's difficult to measure, but it's not difficult at all.
We do it at my studio all the time.
You do a very simple test for antibodies.
You can see it very clearly.
You do this test, you get a drop of blood and you see your immunity.
You find out that you have antibodies.
It's not hard.
If that's the case, That's just as good, not just as good.
Let's be kind and say it's as good, but it's not.
It's far better than you get if you got infected.
He got infected, he got COVID, he recovered.
So he has 6 to 13 times better immunity than someone who gets the vaccine, has like two weeks recovery from the vaccine, and now can go out into the world.
He's got better coverage.
tim pool
I'll say two things.
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tim pool
The first is that I think politically this is a pitch wrap.
unidentified
A what?
tim pool
A pit trap.
A trick.
You walk and then you stumble through the leaves and you fall into the spikes.
Because right now they're saying, we are going to mandate three shots in the UK, Austria, France, and then what happens is you end up with Rand Paul, who I like the guy, but he says, why aren't we taking natural immunity into the case?
And I said, why are you in any way excusing mandates for medical procedures, whether it be a test or a shot?
If we're talking about natural immunity, we're talking about you going to a facility, taking time out of your day to get a medical test done if you want to buy food.
joe rogan
No, no, no.
He's taking one step.
He's taking one step in this examination of this narrative.
In their direction, though.
No, no, no.
One step in the navigation of this narrative is to look at what you're ignoring.
alex jones
Yeah, why aren't you allowed to talk about some natural immunity?
joe rogan
You're ignoring natural immunity.
Well, I know your whole case is bullshit.
So everything you say, whether you're in for mandates, whether you're telling children they have to get it, whatever the fuck you're saying, as soon as you say your natural immunity from previous infection doesn't count, or you try to pretend that it's impossible to check when you can check in seconds.
If you vaccinate someone, they're not good for two weeks.
You can check their immunity in seconds.
I have a fucking video of my phone of me doing it.
alex jones
Let me just say this.
The FDA put a letter out last week under a four-year lawsuit and they said no one that we've looked at over millions who had natural immunity has ever transmitted the virus but everyone that takes the vaccine can at the same level.
joe rogan
I don't buy that.
I think people just haven't reported whether or not they transmitted the virus.
It's not as simple.
It's like you have to like somehow or another they have to like Quantified, that you had the virus and then gave it to somebody else after you recovered it.
unidentified
I'm just going off what they said.
joe rogan
I know, I know, I know.
tim pool
It was like different things.
joe rogan
Yeah.
tim pool
Someone who gets, this is exactly what they say, if you get the vaccine, you're, I think it's an order of magnitude less likely to get sick and it's less severe.
If you do get sick, you're equally likely to transfer the virus to someone else.
alex jones
Fauci just came out and said that's not true anymore.
I have the frickin' clip.
joe rogan
Right, right.
After a while, you're still gonna get sick.
I've had three friends now be hospitalized that were vaccinated.
Hospitalized with COVID.
drew hernandez
The elephant in the room, listen.
The elephant in the room, look at the border, okay?
Why is it, if the federal government is so concerned with COVID spreading in the United States of America, why is it that Americans have to go on lockdown?
Why is it that Americans have to receive these mandatory jab mandates?
But there are millions of people, since Biden has taken office, that have flooded over the United States southern border.
Not a single vaccine mandate has been issued to these people that are not even Americans.
You want to know what's pissing Americans off right now, whether left or right,
is that there are people that are coming from different countries freely over the southern border
without any jab mandates, but Americans are losing their lives.
First responders, medical examiners, people that are professionals,
people that have dedicated their lives, that are experts, that are now being put out on the street.
unidentified
They're Americans and that is what's bothering people right now.
alex jones
The document just came out, I gotta say this.
tim pool
I don't want to...
alex jones
The document just came out, the Minnesota governor said you have to play COVID numbers
to keep the shutdown going.
tim pool
This is what really, really annoys me about all this.
Drew just made a massive political point, and everybody keeps going back into the argument about, we should all sit under the mandates but discuss the science, when no one here knows what the fuck they're talking about.
What I do know is that a million plus people did cross the border with not a single mandate, but they are firing nurses, and then people argue I think you're right.
I think you're right.
I agree.
Drew, go ahead.
The governor... No, no, no.
This is the point.
For sure, it's a power move.
alex jones
The governor said, I want a lockdown for power.
tim pool
He admits it's all a fraud.
alex jones
100% power move. The governor said I want a lockdown for power. He admits it's all a fraud.
tim pool
It's a smoking gun. No, listen. This is why I am so hell bent on...
Talk to your doctor!
We're not going to discuss... Yeah, why is the Minnesota governor... No, no, no, no!
Stop doing that, dude!
You are driving us back into an argument that takes us away from the fact that they are mandating a medical procedure.
I don't care if it's an x-ray.
I don't care if it's a physical.
I don't care if they want to feel my toes!
We shouldn't be sitting here going like, well, this scientist said this, and they were talking about numbers.
No.
A million people crossed the southern border with no mandate.
Firefighters, police, nurses, fired from their jobs.
And all anyone keeps doing is keep saying, let's have a conversation about efficacy.
alex jones
No, I agree.
You're right.
tim pool
Efficacy is irrelevant.
You talk to your doctor, you figure out what makes sense for you, and I'll tell you this.
I don't think anybody disagrees with you.
Your mandates are meaningless.
alex jones
It's two different arguments.
I agree with your argument.
Nobody disagrees with you.
joe rogan
The governor of Minnesota?
Exactly.
tim pool
Joe's right.
drew hernandez
Most people don't know.
alex jones
Let's talk more about that.
The Minnesota governor admits the lockdown was for political control.
He got caught in emails.
joe rogan
How many people know that people are literally not just being allowed across the border, but actually allowed to enter into the country?
luke rudkowski
If you're coming legally, you have to have the COVID vaccine now.
And again, we understand this was never about your health.
This was always about your subjugation.
You look at what happened where they mandate this medical procedure, where they have the most strictest vaccine passports in England, in Israel, in Singapore.
You see the highest rises in cases.
Gibraltar, one of the most vaccinated places in the world per capita.
Vermont has the highest cases in America and it's the highest vaccine.
joe rogan
It's all Bernie Sanders' fault.
That's what I heard.
drew hernandez
Yeah.
No, you know what?
They want a control.
We've talked about this, Alex, right?
They want a controllable class.
They want a two-tier system.
They want the elites at the top and they want the people at the bottom that they can control
that are not going to say anything, that are not going to protest, that are not going to
fuss about it because they want people come, millions of people, they want people in this
country that are illiterate to the United States Constitution.
unidentified
Oh, please.
What is this?
drew hernandez
You think- Michael, Michael, Michael, Michael.
It's not left or right, Democrat or Republican.
They just want people that they can control.
And what's happening at the southern border is literally proving that right now as I speak,
it's not stopping.
It's not stopping.
This is why I tell people it doesn't matter.
It's not left or right.
unidentified
It's not Republican or Democrat.
joe rogan
This is why you can't have this many people on a fucking podcast.
Everybody just starts yelling.
unidentified
Let me correct what Sean Hannity just had to say.
michael malice
Americans don't care about the Constitution.
This is just boomer bullcrap that people spout on Fox News.
drew hernandez
So you think the United States Constitution is boomer bullcrap?
unidentified
Is that what you're saying?
michael malice
Yes, I do.
drew hernandez
I'm saying Russia.
michael malice
Yeah, I'm saying Russia.
joe rogan
Interesting.
unidentified
100%.
michael malice
If you looked at what happened with the lockdowns, they did not have to use a lot of force.
The overwhelming majority of people were more than happy to have their freedoms taken away for the illusion of safety.
The average man does not want to be free.
He merely wants to be safe.
joe rogan
His name is Keith Olbermann.
You can say it by name.
michael malice
No one's going to know that reference.
Joe, no one's going to know that reference.
And the Constitution has been a dead letter from the George Washington administration.
They were locking people up for criticizing the government in the 1790s.
It's a complete joke.
joe rogan
They're saying they didn't know any better.
They didn't have credit.
tim pool
There are minefields before us where they pull you in their direction.
I've talked about how the conservatives, there's no real opposition to the left other than, like, the Democrats will come out and say, we want to ban assault rifles.
And the Republicans will say, no.
But where is the Republican leadership?
This is actually something you told me.
Where is the Republican leadership to come out and say, we want to abolish gun laws?
Everything is always, the establishment left is pulling us in this direction and the right is just saying, slow down there.
michael malice
What's the quote?
Say the quote.
unidentified
What quote?
michael malice
Conservatism is progressivism driving the speed lane.
tim pool
Oh, there you go.
So this is why, you know, we had a conversation a while ago about science and Pfizer and all these pills and stuff, and I was like, yo, are we actually just arguing the degree to which we are going to live under the mandate?
alex jones
I agree, but what about the exodus of the people from mainstream media?
Joe, everything's collapsing.
Your show is the epicenter of everybody leaving the establishment and going independent.
How does dinosaur media finally die?
Because if Joe Rogan's the meteorite that hit the planet and kills the dinosaurs... It doesn't have to die.
joe rogan
AM radio is still around, too.
Well, let's just keep it alive.
Let's keep it alive barely.
michael malice
That's what you want.
joe rogan
You don't want your enemy to die.
You want to keep your foot on its chest.
michael malice
It's gonna lose its efficacy when CNN and Fox and MSNBC are looked at exactly like you look at Marlboro or Lucky Strikes.
When the average American regards a corporate journalist exactly as they regard a tobacco executive.
You know they're selling your product.
You know that product's deadly.
Let them sell it.
joe rogan
Lucky Strikes gives you a nice head rush.
michael malice
Well, so does watching these shows, because you hate the liberals, you hate the conservatives.
unidentified
You get to go to Flavor Country for a little bit.
luke rudkowski
We should ask ourselves, how much support does the corporate media have, and how much of it is an illusion?
alex jones
They don't anymore!
Did you see the ratings?
joe rogan
Have you ever seen a show that has 100,000 viewers?
alex jones
Isn't that crazy?
How many of them are actually into it?
unidentified
Right?
joe rogan
How many of you are just flipping through the channels?
alex jones
If Joe Rogan farts, he gets 5 million views.
joe rogan
But if you're flipping through the channels, are you really into it?
Is it something you're looking forward to?
I mean, how many people are actually looking forward to watching any of those?
alex jones
Look at Brian Stelter.
He's a sack of filth.
He's a fake fraud.
joe rogan
What the fuck are you saying?
ian crossland
Like, they seek the personalities.
unidentified
I'm still on this.
ian crossland
I think the corporate media is now Alphabet, Google, Facebook, well, Meta.
And how do we face this in the next 20 years?
joe rogan
If they're smart, what they would do is go back to straight news.
Straight, objective.
Just have all the ads you want.
Have all the ads you want.
But have objective, completely unbiased news.
If they did that, I think it would turn it around.
If we knew that everyone that was reading all the news, if we get to a point through all these independent social media applications and the distribution of information, when we know what they're saying is verified, we know it's true.
So they have to tell the truth.
If they just told the truth and give you a synopsis of what's happening in the world, they would actually make more money.
That's not possible, Jay.
michael malice
It's not possible because at the very least they're going to have a bias in terms of what they cover and what they don't.
joe rogan
Maybe.
Or maybe they just get together with a panel that decides what is the most important in terms of national security, the economy.
Well, all the different things about climate.
What are the issues that are really, that we know are real, that we can cover in an unbiased way?
If someone came along and did that, I guarantee you, you would get enough people from both sides.
Once it's been clearly established that it's actually unbiased news, I think they would be massively commercially successful.
tim pool
And that is the irony!
alex jones
And they do it by killing all sides!
Like, here's this person, that person.
tim pool
Let's take a look at breaking points with Crystal and Cigar.
joe rogan
Sager.
tim pool
Sager, sorry.
joe rogan
Perfect example.
tim pool
But no, they're getting smeared as alt-right and far-right now.
unidentified
By who?
joe rogan
Bunch of pussies.
Who wants to listen?
alex jones
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
tim pool
Stop, stop, stop.
joe rogan
But their audience keeps growing.
tim pool
That's true, but if there's an issue with this idea of the left populist and the right populist can come challenge the elites.
Crystal and Cigar were- Sager, you son of a bitch.
joe rogan
Hey friend, you piece of shit.
tim pool
Say his name one more time.
unidentified
Sager!
joe rogan
Braveheart.
tim pool
So, uh, we did a segment on the show, uh, you know, Young Turks said that, you know, Joe Rogan's basically Alex Jones or Tucker Carlson at this point.
And people responded saying, so is Crystal and Sager.
Why are we listening to Sink Turd?
alex jones
Why are you distracting me when I have to leave?
tim pool
You keep going down these dark alleys.
There's no answers.
Why does he have millions of subscribers and get 30 million views from them?
joe rogan
Why are you distracting me when I have to leave?
You keep going down these dark alleys.
alex jones
Oh dude, it's just getting dark.
tim pool
No answers.
Like a place you can't bring in more people?
ian crossland
I want to talk about Klaus Schwab.
Can we go?
tim pool
Let me make a point.
alex jones
Let's get a final statement from the great Joe Rogan.
tim pool
I love the idea that we can bring everyone together, but some people are just diametrically opposed to what we believe in.
joe rogan
Yeah, but it's obvious.
After a while, you watch that guy talk and you're like, he's so silly.
alex jones
Alright, let me get a question in from Joe before he's gotta go.
joe rogan
There's so many fucking silly people.
You know, like, you don't have to take into consideration their statements about every fucking thing that happens to every person.
You realize they're silly.
You know they're silly.
That's why you brought him up.
tim pool
Ignore him.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
I didn't bring him up because he's silly.
I brought him up because he gets tens of millions of views.
joe rogan
No, he doesn't.
tim pool
Yes, he does.
He does.
joe rogan
He does not.
If you look at all the views, how many individual, unique people are there?
It's not tens of millions.
tim pool
No, no, no.
I'm not talking about unique.
I'm just saying.
joe rogan
Right, but it's the same fucking people.
It's like tens of millions of people.
They put out a lot of content.
They have a hundred thousand... Okay, Joe's gotta go.
alex jones
Can I ask one question?
Can I ask one question?
joe rogan
But it doesn't matter if you agree with them or disagree with them.
If you don't agree with them, you don't have to keep bringing them up over and over and over again.
Just fucking ignore them.
luke rudkowski
They're only as relevant as we make them.
alex jones
Just one question.
Because I've been big in the media for 20-something years.
You've been huge forever.
joe rogan
That's why they cut your nose.
alex jones
Listen, but this is a real question.
So I know you don't want to sound rock star or arrogant.
Yeah, fuck him.
He's a horrible person.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, fuck you.
alex jones
It's fake.
joe rogan
I'm right here telling you!
unidentified
Break it!
Break him on!
alex jones
Don't hurt me.
joe rogan
Zach Nicholson.
I have a gorilla!
They cut your fucking nose.
alex jones
Joe, let me ask this question.
unidentified
Okay, Boomer.
We all saw your meme.
alex jones
Hey, Joe.
luke rudkowski
I love it.
alex jones
I'm generation X. He's giving you attention here.
Joe, seriously, answer the question.
What is it like to not just be probably the most famous person, like a president right now in the world, but to have done it independently on your own?
That's a major sea change.
I celebrate that.
I'm blessed to know you.
You're a great guy.
What is it like to be at the epicenter of the zeitgeist?
I don't think about that.
joe rogan
If I thought about that, I'd be fucked.
alex jones
Well, it's a real question.
Tell me.
I don't know.
joe rogan
That's my answer.
alex jones
Black helicopters.
Okay, but it seems like as you've gotten right in the middle of the zeitgeist, you've gotten more politically involved.
Not because you wanted to, but you felt like you needed to.
joe rogan
Well, it's not that I got it in the middle of the zeitgeist.
It's this pandemic.
Expose the fragility of our society that so many people are willing to give up their freedom for this like bizarre fake security that doesn't exist like you're talking about the most the most unsecure thing ever a pandemic virus that's going through people and then a solution a medical solution that doesn't entirely work and everybody's like forcing you to get involved and take this and Ignore all risks, because they did, and they want you to be on their side.
It's madness.
And as soon as you see that kind of madness, if you don't say something, then you fall into tyranny.
And that's what the fuck is happening.
And whether or not people realize what they're doing, most of the people that are doing it are cowards.
Because if you stand up and you say, hey, I don't think you should vaccinate children, people are, AHH!
unidentified
AHH!
AHH!
joe rogan
They start freaking out, like Donald Sutherland in the fucking Invasion of the Bodies section.
alex jones
They have Pat McConaughey!
unidentified
That's what he is!
joe rogan
It's like everybody's scared, like you can't even have the conversation.
alex jones
It's like Kev Bull and your cuss!
joe rogan
But here's the thing about you, and here's the thing about me.
When someone is unvaccinated and survives COVID pretty fucking quick, they go, wait a minute, I didn't know that was available.
And you go, well, you know, when I made a video like three days after I had COVID, I'm like, I feel pretty good.
alex jones
Like, lies!
joe rogan
And then two days later, I put up this fucking, this test.
alex jones
It's like Tim said.
They were mad he survived.
joe rogan
They were mad I survived too.
But you know, it's because they took the chance and they got vaccinated and they feel like you should have done that too because they realize there's a certain amount of risk involved and they got through it.
They're like, you fucking do it.
It's like, I jumped into the water from the cliff.
You jump.
Jump, bitch.
unidentified
I jumped.
alex jones
What about Aaron Rodgers who I know you helped out as well?
I mean they're demonizing him calling him a white supremacist on ESPN.
I'm flipping through the channels.
I'm flipping through.
It was a sports show and I'm flipping through cable.
luke rudkowski
They call him Right Wing.
alex jones
Where's Skip Bayless?
Where's Skip Bayless?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that other football guy.
alex jones
Skip Bayless was on the big show with a big black guy, and all I know is they go, he's a white nationalist.
joe rogan
Oh, that guy's not a white nationalist.
But this is like people say things to get a lot of attention, and they say things as maybe they even mean it.
Here's the thing with Aaron Rodgers.
That guy, In any other time in history, if a friend calls you up and goes, hey man, you had the flu, what did you do?
And you say, oh, I took a Z-Pak, I took a this, I took a that, I was better in a couple days.
I got a vitamin infusion that's really big, that helped me a lot.
And they go, okay, I'm going to try that.
And they do it, they get better, and they go, thanks.
Everybody's happy.
Like, oh, I would like to do what Aaron Rodgers did if I get sick.
Because he was better pretty quick.
Oh, Joe Rogan did that.
Oh, I should do what they did because I'll get better pretty quick.
I'm not saying don't get vaccinated.
I'm saying if you do get sick, this is what I did and this is how I got better.
All the decisions you make outside of that are on your own.
I'm just telling you what I did.
alex jones
You mean Pfizer lets us hear from you?
joe rogan
It doesn't have anything to do with Pfizer.
It's just human beings.
No, I agree, I agree.
But you got better in two days.
has is minimal in comparison to the influence we have on each other.
Oh, I agree, I agree.
That's what the real problem is, is when people do things and they make a choice, they want
everybody else to make the same choice.
alex jones
But you got better in two days, Tim got better in a couple days.
joe rogan
It worked, right?
luke rudkowski
I took- Yo, yo, Joe, Joe.
I was really bad.
joe rogan
I was really bad.
tim pool
I know you were really bad, but- I think I was really bad.
Ian was also really bad.
Dude, it worked within an hour.
But the reason I called is because I was like, I talked to a doctor, they said, look, it's
a virus, sleep it off.
joe rogan
But here's the thing, it's monoclonal antibodies are the big thing.
Not just that.
I said I took ivermectin, I said I took it in a laundry list of other things that I took.
And I didn't say that first.
I said monoclonal antibodies, I said Z-Pak, I said ivermectin, I said all these things,
but all they focused on was ivermectin.
But Joe, the thing- The monoclonal antibodies are super effective.
tim pool
It's been proven so.
And they're authorized for emergency use.
joe rogan
Yes.
It's a totally authorized antigen.
alex jones
And the company's been around since 1988.
They're not giving liability protection.
That's why I trust them.
luke rudkowski
But Alex, I also took ivermectin when I was in high school.
alex jones
Let me ask you one question, Joe.
I mean, one question.
No one knows.
You got better in two days.
You got better in three.
I got better in like a day with this stuff.
Aaron Rodgers, how fast did he get better?
He said he was never even sick.
luke rudkowski
He's playing soon.
joe rogan
He played.
He just won on Sunday.
So he never even got sick with the No, he was sick before that.
He wasn't feeling good.
He asked me what I did.
I told him.
I connected him with some people.
And he, at his doctor, got him all the proper medications that he needed.
Monoclonal antibodies and all the other stuff.
And he got better fairly quickly after this.
But, also, he's a fucking super athlete.
We're not talking about your 85-year-old grandmother.
We're talking about a legit NFL quarterback.
Fucking super athlete.
Comparing him to the average normal Joe walking on the street is crazy.
He's literally the elite of the elite in terms of professional athletes.
alex jones
Joe Rogan, I love you.
joe rogan
I love you too, bitch.
unidentified
Joe's got a show, man.
tim pool
So he's bouncing out.
alex jones
See you tomorrow, dude.
unidentified
I'm gonna go take a piss on my back.
Hey, and Joe, keep in mind... Bye, Joe.
alex jones
I'm gonna go take a piss on my back.
tim pool
Tell the truth!
Good meeting you.
And Joe, keep in mind...
joe rogan
Bye Joe.
alex jones
You got a big guest tomorrow.
tim pool
Joe, tomorrow, the verdict might come in.
joe rogan
Oh, it's chaos!
tim pool
It's gonna be chaos.
unidentified
Chaos!
michael malice
Oh, yeah, I'll be there.
joe rogan
Rocks in the streets!
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.
It's gonna be crazy.
That's why we told Drew to stick around.
We were like, Drew, you gotta stick around.
michael malice
Constitution.
tim pool
Now everyone's talking.
michael malice
Did you see he was taking selfies while Joe was talking?
Lydia, Lydia, you're supposed to be switching!
luke rudkowski
You're supposed to be switching the screen!
michael malice
Do your job, woman!
tim pool
Now, Blair, now's your chance.
unidentified
Talk!
Talk about some more felonies, Blair.
blaire white
I just went into a legit vortex.
michael malice
That was crazy.
tim pool
So right now, for those that are watching, a good portion of the crew, everyone's saying goodbye.
They're peacing out.
Joe actually has a show.
He's playing it.
And that's why, you know, when everyone was like, hey, if we're gonna have all these people, get Joe.
And he's got a show.
But Joe was like, dude, I'm I'm gonna do it.
I'm sorry Blair.
He was here, I was like, he's not taking it from anybody.
He's telling everybody to shut up.
luke rudkowski
He's a team player.
He let everyone know what they needed to know.
And the show's not over, guys.
Alex is coming back.
blaire white
Drew just sat down.
unidentified
Oh, Alex did come back.
blaire white
I thought that was a no.
luke rudkowski
Alex did come to stay.
I'm sorry, Blair.
I'm sorry you have to.
You're going to get it.
Ian's going to come on in.
So the show, again, this is the part two of the show, and I think we're going to go for another hour.
michael malice
Can we get me another bandage?
I want to see if I'm still bleeding.
lydia smith
Yeah, I'll grab you something.
tim pool
Can someone grab me a... I need a water.
unidentified
As Alex Joe said, you were a ritual sacrifice today.
tim pool
Alex is coming back, and basically only Joe has to peace out because he's got his show to do.
ian crossland
And this is when we start talking about psilocybin.
Well, I don't know.
Who likes psilocybin?
Raise your hand.
blaire white
I thought you said suicide.
tim pool
No, no, no.
Thank you, sir.
I like talking about the things that Michael talks about, you know, like police, constitution, freedom, liberty.
That's my jam.
And I don't know if you saw that rant I did where they got really mad at me on Twitter.
michael malice
Of course I saw it.
It was my porn.
My sheets are ruined.
blaire white
People were saying it was because you were dewormed that it changed you.
tim pool
I know it's funny, but like, it's not the first rant I've ever had.
There's a video from our old studio where I'm like, they went to this dude's house in Wisconsin and were protesting in front of his house.
They had set fi- these same protesters had set fire to a house before.
And when the guy brandished a shotgun, the police came and arrested him from his own house.
And I was like, these people will come to your home, they will protest you, these activists obviously, and the police will kick in your door, and they will bash your teeth in, and then they're like, but the reason the left got mad was a reaction to the right.
The right was like, look at this epic rant!
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
He's like saying that the law federal law enforcement went for James O'Keefe. I was surprised
You know what's really funny about this is when?
When that with that rant the left came out angry at me, and I'm like I was literally saying
I literally abolished the police. I was like abolish the police
Like, the feds kicked in James O'Keefe stores as federal law enforcement.
They leaked his privileged legal communications.
This is a violation of every core tenet this country is supposed to believe in.
Your privileged access to legal assistance.
And then the left was like, haha, he's bad.
That's fascism.
I'm like, I thought I was agreeing with you.
michael malice
I want to ask Drew a question, Mr. Constitution.
Given what you saw in Kenosha, what is your perspective on the police?
drew hernandez
My perspective is that the police are going to have to start making some serious decisions soon.
Because if they're not going to side with their constitutional oaths, they are literally betraying the American people.
So I think when police are getting into that type of territory, they're going to start
enforcing a police state.
So I think right now where we are with the advent of Marxism, cultural Marxism, becoming
mainstream, I think the excuse when police come out and say, I'm just doing my job is
what the Nazis said.
So I think right now that is a crime against humanity.
And I think when police aren't having the will to say, you know what, I'm not going
I'm going to continue to do my job.
I think they're going to have to make that decision.
But if they do do that, if they decide not to and pull out of it, I think that that's something they need to consider before they become police officers.
Because if you're going to take a job like that, you're going to have to be prepared to make a decision whether I'm going to obey unconstitutional or illegal edicts or mandates, or I am going to resign.
michael malice
I just got one quick question.
Given that all gun laws are unconstitutional and violate the Second Amendment, what do you think of police officers that arrest people who have guns that might be in violation of the Second Amendment who are otherwise peaceful people?
drew hernandez
Repeat it one more time.
michael malice
Police who enforce gun laws which are all unconstitutional against peaceful citizens.
What do you think of those police?
luke rudkowski
And speak more into the mic, your audio is low low.
drew hernandez
Is my audio low?
michael malice
Yeah.
drew hernandez
I just think that police, I think the biggest issue right now with police officers, and I've talked to many of them, I've had conversations with them, I think a lot of them are really, like, illiterate to the law itself.
Not all of them, but every time you talk to one of them, like, they're really not sure how they're enforcing the law correctly.
Like, they're not even aware of some of the laws themselves.
michael malice
You're just completely ignoring my question.
Yeah.
Gun laws are all unconstitutional.
What do you think of police officers who enforce gun laws against peaceful citizens?
drew hernandez
I think the Second Amendment is for all Americans.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice
So what do you think, again, for the third time, what do you think of police officers who enforce gun laws against peaceful citizens?
drew hernandez
I think that's just something they're going to have to decide to do, whether they're going to do it or not.
michael malice
Well, what do you think of them?
drew hernandez
That's what I think.
michael malice
That they're just going to have to, you're just going to shrug your shoulders?
They're just going to have to make a decision.
So if a cop arrests someone who has a handgun, illegally, who's not hurting anybody, or has some kind of red flag thing, what do you think of that police officer who puts that person in jail?
drew hernandez
Yeah, I don't think that's a good thing.
michael malice
But what do you think of that individual?
drew hernandez
The individual?
michael malice
The individual police officer, yeah.
drew hernandez
That's what I just said, yeah.
michael malice
They're evil.
Are they?
Yeah, but you said that's not a good thing.
You know, me burning a cake, is it not a good thing as well?
drew hernandez
Yeah, I think it's not a good thing.
tim pool
The human being... His name is Officer John... You're asking the same question over and over again.
Officer John Smith... Well, you're not answering it.
You're also not... Hold on, let me phrase the question.
There was a woman, I tell this story all the time, who was from Pennsylvania, with a legal gun, and drove into New Jersey, and we'll give the cop a name, Officer John Smith, pulled her over, and he said, you know, your taillight's out or whatever, and he said, do you have a weapon on you?
She said, yes, I do.
And he says, oh, okay.
She politely informed him, but in New Jersey, you can't have it.
So he took her out, he cuffed her, and they tried putting her in prison for four years.
How do you feel about John Smith?
drew hernandez
I mean, I would have to really take a look at the entire situation.
unidentified
Well, another big problem is that a lot of the decent cops are leaving because of the VACs.
blaire white
Well, I was just going to make a correction and say Michael probably thinks there are none, but good meaning cops, a lot of them are leaving because of the VACs.
tim pool
Right, you're right.
That's true.
And I disagree with Michael on that.
I think there are decent cops.
But I understand your point about the institution as a whole.
But I think there are... I've met cops who have been... They've actually sought to, like, stop violent criminals and rapists and murderers.
michael malice
No question.
tim pool
And I've seen these cops be like, I'm not gonna stop some kid for, you know, this, that, or otherwise.
I will also correct you.
You said all gun laws are unconstitutional?
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
What if the gun law was that you had to have a gun?
michael malice
Well, that actually was the case in America in the colonial period, and if you look it up, I have an article in the Observer that says Must Pack Heat, arguing for using Obamacare as a mechanism to mandate gun ownership.
alex jones
Criminals aren't going to follow the laws anyways.
tim pool
Well no, so we're talking about... Michael had said all gun laws are unconstitutional.
My question is, what if a gun law mandated you do own a gun?
alex jones
That's unconstitutional.
tim pool
It is unconstitutional?
michael malice
It's not unconstitutional.
alex jones
Switzerland makes you do it.
That's a form of indentured servitude.
michael malice
Owning a gun is indentured servitude?
alex jones
No, if you make somebody own a gun...
That's indentured servitude.
michael malice
Who are you in servitude to?
alex jones
Who's making me own a gun?
I thought you were an anarchist.
michael malice
I am an anarchist.
unidentified
The point being, if I disagree with you about classifying something as indentured servitude... If they made you join an anarchist collective to have a gun and you willfully joined it as part of a membership... This has nothing to do with anarchism.
michael malice
Explain to me how mandating health insurance is indentured servitude.
alex jones
I mean, now you're for forced inoculations?
michael malice
You didn't answer my question.
unidentified
I'm not for anything.
alex jones
I'm not for forced insurance.
And I'm not for forced gun ownership.
I'm mad at you, Michael.
I'm telling you.
michael malice
I just don't understand.
Maybe this is my autism speaking.
Can you explain to me how mandating someone owning a product is indentured servitude as opposed to unlawful?
alex jones
All I know is under my common sense freedom, and under what I want, I don't have to own a gun if I don't want to.
unidentified
Okay, alright, wait, wait.
tim pool
Let's not go in circles.
Let's not go in circles.
I think he was just using the phrasing correctly.
michael malice
Oh, okay.
tim pool
I think the point is, like, I remember when, I think it was Illinois, mandated seatbelts.
I don't know when they exactly mandated seatbelts, but I remember having a conversation about Do you have the right to not wear a seatbelt?
Well, not anymore you don't.
And then I had a conversation from there about how you're forced.
I remember when Obamacare was coming through and people were like, what about auto insurance?
The government makes you buy auto insurance.
No one cares about that.
And I was like, actually, I kind of do.
You know, I of course would always want to carry insurance.
michael malice
And that's on a state level as well.
tim pool
The idea that the government would mandate you buy a private product and then regulate that product to like guarantee your money.
alex jones
And now they use it as an example.
Oh, you've got to buy insurance, you've got to wear seatbelts, you've got to take a shot.
I say, I'm more of an anarchist than Malice, I guess.
michael malice
Oh, sweetheart.
alex jones
Come sit on my lap right here.
You and Blair right here.
michael malice
Listen, you're no Santy Claus.
I'm not sitting on that lap.
luke rudkowski
So we're playing who can anarchist out the anarchists?
michael malice
My book's right behind you!
drew hernandez
Yeah, it's right here.
alex jones
AnarchistCampbell.com I watch your show.
I watch Tim's.
I know you're intellectual.
I know you're actually genuinely smart.
I respect you.
I'm just saying, I agree with anarchist precepts, but informing that and injecting that into the real world does not work.
luke rudkowski
I disagree.
unidentified
Until it's scalable, until it's been proven.
michael malice
Anarchism is in a location, it's a relationship.
So this show right now is an example of anarchism working.
luke rudkowski
There's a lot more anarchism than we know.
Centralization is when we have government, when we have fat cat bureaucrat mafiosos coming in and saying, I want a cut of that.
It's centralization.
Decentralization is anarchy, in my opinion.
alex jones
And I'm for decentralization.
drew hernandez
Exactly.
luke rudkowski
So you're for anarchy.
And I'm for anarchy, because that's the true definition of it, with no one intervening, no one forcing you to do something.
That's the basic core concept and philosophies of anarchy, which should be respected and talked about properly.
That's why I had to correct Joe Rogan when he said, this was anarchy!
No, it wasn't.
It was state-sponsored terrorism.
Alex knows about that.
alex jones
Give me 30 seconds.
I'll shut up for 10 minutes.
michael malice
I promise.
luke rudkowski
I don't believe that.
unidentified
That is a lie.
You're a liar.
luke rudkowski
That is not true.
michael malice
I actually love everybody in this room.
tim pool
I would like to give everybody a chance.
unidentified
Every line except our guys just exploded.
michael malice
Get a timer right now.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
alex jones
Just mute his mic.
michael malice
Get a timer.
Literally just mute his mic for ten minutes.
luke rudkowski
No.
alex jones
No, no, no.
Get your timer ready.
Yeah.
I want you to hear this first.
Ready?
Yes.
Everyone shut up.
I actually love everybody in this room.
I know you all and I really appreciate the producer to everybody.
This has just been historic and Joe is so amazing and all you guys and Tim, thank you for having
You're right, it is real anarchy, and it's beautiful, and I love you all, and I appreciate being here.
tim pool
My favorite thing about all of this was I was like... We end up... The show started with us having Blair to come on, and then, you know, Alex was like... Then you all hijacked me.
We hijacked it, but the best part was the very end when everyone's like, have you asked Joe?
And I'm like, he's busy.
And then Joe's like, yeah, yeah, I could probably come in.
Where are y'all at?
And I'm like, we're in a trailer on the side of the road.
unidentified
And so he's like... It's a very nice trailer, though.
tim pool
It is really, really great.
And I just think it's hilarious that, you know, you said it, like a step down or something, like the mighty have fallen.
michael malice
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Joe Rogan coming from his massive, amazing, new, awesome studio to my trailer on the side of the road.
alex jones
But Joe's not elitist.
He loves you, Tim.
tim pool
No, I know.
I'm just messing around.
alex jones
You know, he always loved you, but after you destroyed Twitter with him, he, like, puts you at the top tier.
tim pool
You know what's funny, though, that we had beef.
michael malice
I didn't know that.
unidentified
Tell the story.
tim pool
So it's not too complicated.
Joe, someone back in like during Occupy era, somebody tweeted at Joe when his podcast wasn't as big.
They were like, you got to have Tim Pool on the show.
And then he tweeted me like, yeah, for sure, man.
Why don't you come and hang out?
And I said, cool.
So, you know, I was young and bright eyed and naive.
And I was kind of like, this is Joe Rogan.
This is back in 2011, mind you.
So not the biggest show in the world.
alex jones
You wouldn't come on my show!
tim pool
But, but, well I didn't know who you were.
michael malice
He values his time, Alex.
alex jones
I remember telling Luke, hey get me, get me, get me Tim Bull.
tim pool
Well, so check it out, check it out.
So I flew to LA and once I landed he messaged me like, bro, I'm really sorry to do this to you, I can't have you on the
show.
Something came up and I went, ah, I just flew out to California.
And so I made the best of it.
There were some protests I covered.
A year later, same thing happened.
Somebody tweets at Joe, like, how come you never had Tim Pool on your show and now it's 2012?
And he was like, yo, we tried to make it happen.
It didn't happen.
Tim, what do you say?
Come on the show.
And I was like, let's do it.
This time, I was like, I want to make sure we confirm this.
Because he gave me the details before.
I'm like, give me the details.
Give me the time.
Give me everything.
And he does.
And so I get on a plane.
I paid for it myself, because I'm young and naive.
And I fly to California.
And then he says, bro.
I'm so sorry to do this to you.
I can't have you on the show.
Some things come up and I was just like all right now I'm really mad and I was like dude are you kidding me it's like a year later you did the same thing and I thought to myself I was like look I'm obviously mad about it but Joe doesn't owe me any favors me going on his show would be really great for me so I was just like That's the story.
And then what ended up happening, I was like, I'm just not gonna, I'm not gonna be mad about it because he doesn't owe me anything.
And I'm just gonna, I'm gonna focus on my thing.
I'm not gonna beg him.
I'm not gonna ask him.
And I just went about my business.
And then a couple of years later, Joe just messaged me and he was like, bro, I just want to let you know, like, I am really sorry about, you know, having canceled on you like that.
alex jones
And now it's beautiful.
tim pool
I don't want there to be any beef or anything.
And I was like, nah, dude, there's no, there's no salt.
There's no beef.
Like, it was just like, it happened twice in the span of a year.
alex jones
But let me tell you about Joe in the old days.
He was doing so much comedy almost every day in his other jobs.
We were going to do his podcast forever and he would cancel it too.
He just used to like the podcast was a side thing.
And then starting about six years ago he made it the main thing and that's what happened.
blaire white
I don't feel as bad now because there was two times where Joe invited me on and it didn't happen.
I didn't fly out.
And then I just checked my phone before I went on.
I have a missed DM from him from two weeks ago asking me to come on.
Now it's my fault.
alex jones
Yeah, he knew who you were.
He's like, oh, hi, Blair.
And I was like, well, why aren't you on the show?
tim pool
Now here's the crazy story.
Here's the crazy story.
alex jones
You should have seen us taking acid in Vegas.
tim pool
You want to hear the Twitter story?
luke rudkowski
Can we hear about that story?
tim pool
You guys want to hear the Twitter story?
michael malice
I want to hear the acid story for the Twitter story.
luke rudkowski
The acid story is more important than the Twitter story.
alex jones
I'll tell you a Joe Rogan story.
Sorry, go ahead.
You want to hear it later?
I'll tell you later.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no.
luke rudkowski
I would love to hear it now.
Can we?
tim pool
Is it something where you're like, maybe I shouldn't have brought that up because it's a story I probably shouldn't tell?
alex jones
The big question is, which story should it be?
luke rudkowski
The wild one.
tim pool
The crazy one.
alex jones
Have you seen the movie The Hangover?
luke rudkowski
Yes.
alex jones
This happened before.
A few times, I don't remember with me, Joe and Joey Diaz.
I just remember like...
Actually you get Joe on next time he'll tell you but I mean I remember like two days later because I was not a big you know two days later like not knowing where we'd been and like in Vegas with him because he'd like I went up saw some of the fights in Vegas other places with Joey vibing at me taking his great guy and so I remember like Okay, we're at ESPN and we're on air.
This is going on.
I'm in a control room and Joe is whatever.
And like two days later, I'm like, what happened?
He was like, I'll see you later.
I'm getting on a plane.
So it was pretty wild, man.
Pretty wild.
But Joe's not like that now.
But he's definitely done some partying.
unidentified
Yeah.
alex jones
I mean, let me tell you, I've sat there with Joe.
Because now we go out, he might drink like two beers.
and you guys in great shape everything but I remember like I mean like like two days up with him and he wasn't on any drop of amphetamines it was all just Joe's energy and we're like drinking like 20 shots at like 4 a.m up for two days and like taking edibles all right I mean this dude's like a thoroughbred I mean a thoroughbred man that's why he takes the horse paste yeah so no but Joey Diaz wants like we're sitting there's always like Eat these!
Eat these edibles!
And Joe's like, HA HA!
We just took acid!
And I don't remember two days.
It was like huge dough.
luke rudkowski
I don't remember actually.
Any revelations?
Any reality-shattering moments?
Any kind of like clarity in your life through those experiences?
alex jones
Part of it was fun, except I remember, and this is to Joe's credit, this is like 15 years ago, 17 years ago.
We're in Vegas.
We're there two days before the fight, like a day after the fight.
So we're there like four days.
So, two days before, one day of the fight, day after.
And I remember, I'm like, why don't you take the elevator to your limo.
He loved his fans so much that I remember like hallucinating on acid while Joe signed thousands of autographs.
Because he's trying to go through the casino once they start piling up.
And I remember just like day, like hallucinating for like a day of him signing autographs.
Like, like, like, it's like, it's crazy.
You know, there's like some cool story like naked chicks and stuff.
It's not.
luke rudkowski
It's Joe taking- Yeah, but that's not cool.
That's not the cool stuff.
The cool stuff is the deeper stuff.
alex jones
It's Joe taking photos, selfies with people, and signing autographs.
unidentified
Being selfless.
tim pool
Selfless, yeah.
So I asked Joe, and I don't know if he gave us a robust answer.
He gave it a little bit.
You know, from the time I went on and we talked with Twitter, even before that, to where he is now, how his view has changed, I think it's fair to say, you can see in Joe a big change.
So that first interview he did with Jack Dorsey was back in 2018, I guess.
He was just like, let Jack say his thing and say whatever he wanted, and then he got heavily thumbs down for it.
We do our show, here we are today, and he's saying they're censoring, it's coming from the left, and that's definitive, he's seen it.
I think there's two things here.
For one, Joe really started to understand and see what was going on as things got worse, but it's also that things are getting worse.
I want to make sure I preface that by saying, freedom-loving individuals, liberty-minded individuals are winning many battles across the board, but in the censorship stuff, as this becomes the new corporate press, it is getting worse, and I mean, I think the reality is we're not long for this world, you know?
Everyone's like, you know, I see the comments like, wow, Tim, you really pulled this thing together, and I'm like, yeah, but...
There will come a time.
The cliffs are eroding, and over time, they are homogenizing what YouTube is, and they want it to be that mainstream narrative.
alex jones
Jimi Hendrix.
Eventually, the sand dumps in the sea.
But let me just say this one thing, because I don't bullshit when it comes to things like this.
Tim was a turning point for Joe, and I'm not going to get into our private phone calls and things, because Joe wanted to believe in the system and wanted to believe there were good guys and bad guys, and when he, remember him, I'm not going to tell the whole story, but he called up and he goes, you see what happened with Tim Bouldin, and I said, yeah, I heard about it, thank you, and he goes, well it's true.
Joe already had all that understanding, but as soon as So it's true, Tim, that you're like the vampire that bit Joe Rogan.
No, no, no.
I'm not just kissing your ass.
That was the point.
I told you that privately.
That was the point.
luke rudkowski
But, Tim, that Jack Dorsey moment was a corner shed moment that shattered the reality of a lot of people's understanding of how things work online.
And you were there.
You didn't fall for their traps.
You went around their trap.
Slap them upside their head, and then they're like... They didn't know what they were doing!
So again, another thing... And something else to add here, you're saying we're not long for this world.
We're long for a very long time.
They can't pull the rug, because if they do, they lose everything.
They're slowly pulling the rug.
They hit Alex, but Alex is still here.
Alex is still producing his videos.
Alex is getting a crap ton of viewership.
tim pool
We'll survive no matter what!
And we've got TimCast.com.
Where you should sign up and become a member for our special members-only segments because I realized this a long time ago, but didn't really have the skills, the experience, but the beginning of this year I was like, if we don't have our own website, yeah, we could get plucked right out and thrown in the trash.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
tim pool
Not anymore.
michael malice
But there's one factor you guys both missed, which is there's a big difference when you watch the news and you see that they're lying about you personally.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice
If Joe had his podcast, him bro-ing out, talking to fighters, talking to comedians, just hanging out.
Hold on, Al, you've experienced this for a long time.
You turn on the news and it's something that you have personal knowledge about and you see people you've never met explicitly lying about you and lies that are easily verified to be lies.
That's when you realize, wait a minute, something is up and it's happened to you as well, obviously.
drew hernandez
But Tim, I rewatched that the other day, actually recently, you know, and what I found interesting was how, the point you made, how they kept saying, we do this to protect people because if there's a threat to somebody's life through social media, we take action on it, right?
And the reason why I thought that was interesting is because, like, even as of recently, after I testified in the trial, I started getting death threats on Instagram, on Twitter, all this stuff, and what was crazy on Instagram was, I actually took a screenshot.
Of someone issuing me a death threat, I posted it, and my account took the hit.
michael malice
What about Kelly Paul?
Rand Paul's wife always complains to Twitter because he gets like, I'm glad the neighbor did this, this should happen again.
She's like, Jack, do something!
And he's like, I don't care.
alex jones
There are Twitter accounts called, I'm Rand Paul's neighbor.
drew hernandez
Wow.
tim pool
So one of the points that I brought up to Jack and Vijay on that show was they said, you know, we're trying to protect people.
There's high suicide rates.
And I said, what about people with like body dysmorphia where they cut their hands off?
You know, these people exist.
Are you going to create special rules for these groups?
I think the fascinating thing about that moment, and it comes up a lot, I guess, because for me, it was just a moment I was there and I was having a typical argument I would normally have with anybody.
But I guess a lot of people didn't realize this stuff.
Yeah, they bled out.
didn't realize, Vagia and Jack didn't realize when they were entering this, they thought
they were going to be getting your run of the mill conservative, they were going to
be like, why'd you ban Milo, why'd you ban Alex, instead of more like philosophical and
like liberty-minded questions and like fairness and...
alex jones
Yeah, they bled out, they bled out to 10 million viewers.
blaire white
It was that and then the Sanjay Gupta thing I think woke a lot of people up.
unidentified
That was big.
blaire white
The thing with Joe.
Because it was one of the very few, maybe even the only instance where you have someone who's on CNN every day lying and you have someone actually confronting them to their face and then you go back to watch CNN afterwards and they completely edit out that interaction.
They completely frame it as him somehow convincing Joe Rogan to be pro-vaccine.
tim pool
But the crazy thing about the CNN thing was that Sanjay Gupta goes on Joe's show and Joe is like, why would they lie?
And Sanjay said, they shouldn't have done that.
And then Sanjay goes on Don Lemon and Don Lemon says, we didn't, it was the truth.
And Sanjay goes, you're right, that's all true.
That is a duplicitous, deceitful individual.
alex jones
And now Gupta is a joke.
michael malice
He's not a joke.
That's the thing.
luke rudkowski
He's interviewing Sesame Street characters.
He's definitely a professional.
alex jones
CNN, on average, has 80,000 viewers.
tim pool
To be fair, we did like a half an hour about Sesame Street last night.
luke rudkowski
We talked about it, but he interviewed Sesame Street characters on his show promoting children to get the vaccine.
That's literally what CNN's doing when they're not eating human brains.
alex jones
They're now targeting children like pedophiles.
tim pool
Are children watching CNN?
alex jones
No, but Sanjay Gupta is doing Sesame Street.
unidentified
It means he's legitimizing it.
I got the shot!
michael malice
It's so good!
tim pool
Come live, come live!
unidentified
Alex the Grouch.
tim pool
But Sesame Street is on HBO.
Are children subscribed to HBO?
If the parents are watching HBO on the apps, are the children being headed to the HBO Max
drew hernandez
apps to watch Sesame Street?
michael malice
Wait, you think non-children are watching Sesame Street?
Of course it's only children watching!
unidentified
CNN!
tim pool
No, I'm asking if they're getting more than ten children!
unidentified
Yes!
tim pool
When Sesame Street leaves PBS and goes on HBO, are parents putting it on?
alex jones
No, no, it's on the internet.
Targeting children on YouTube.
michael malice
Tim, I promise you that Sesame Street's still very popular with the kids.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, it's YouTube children.
tim pool
I have a four-year-old.
I think it's fair to say that it's probably reached a substantial audience.
alex jones
Let me tell a real story.
luke rudkowski
Sure, that's fair.
alex jones
I saw this two weeks ago and got mad about it.
I don't want my kids watching.
michael malice
You got mad about something?
alex jones
I don't watch a lot of TV, but my four-year-old daughter, like, Saturdays, like, let me watch TV.
So I give her the controller.
She knows how to run it.
She somehow goes to Sesame Street, and I'm watching Sanjay Gupta, and I've got my phone.
I go, God, I've got to shoot video of my daughter standing in front of the TV.
No, don't do it.
My wife will kill me.
But this happened.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
alex jones
So, I mean, literally, my daughter, Saturday, was watching it.
And that made me physically ill.
luke rudkowski
I got the videos pulled up here.
CNN, Big Bird talks to Dr. Gupta about COVID-19 vaccine fear.
Second video, Sesame Street's Rosita gets her first COVID-19 vaccine dose.
CNN, YouTube channel.
Again, and the list goes on and on and on.
tim pool
I'll tell you what the problem with this is.
You know my problem with this is?
You ever see those commercials where it's like, ask your doctor if Lobestro is right for you?
And it's like, even those commercials wouldn't tell you what the drug was, but they would always tell you to like, just take it amongst yourself for private consultation.
Now they're outright like, children, here's a medication made just for you!
Get it!
luke rudkowski
They did an entire Sesame Street coronavirus town hall for over an hour.
blaire white
There is apparently a precedent.
They have done vaccine episodes in the past but I don't think that accounts for the fact that this vaccine is different than past vaccines.
alex jones
I'm embarrassed.
I'm embarrassed.
I knew all this and literally Saturday My four-year-old goes, give me the controller, and I'm sitting around the phone doing stuff, literally like cooking a steak on the grill in my living room.
michael malice
In the living room?
alex jones
Well, yeah, there's a kitchen and a living room.
And like, my daughter's watching Sanjay Gupta, and I was like, okay, I turn it off, she throws a fit.
But I'm literally, it's literally everywhere, man.
drew hernandez
Have any of you guys watched it?
Have any of you actually watched it?
Are they actually, like, jabbing kids in the...
unidentified
So what do you think, Michael?
drew hernandez
Do you think this is more about, like, visuals?
michael malice
What do you mean?
drew hernandez
Like, do you think this is more about, like, visuals for kids just to see it so they grow up thinking it's normal?
Or do you think they're actually trying to, like, educate little kids?
michael malice
They're not trying to educate anyone.
They're trying to get the... So basically what happens is you go to school, and the teachers teach you to be docile and submissive, and then this is basically the homework, in a sense, that this carries on the lessons you're being taught in the school by the entire cathedral.
alex jones
Why did the dog bite you?
michael malice
Because I misgendered it.
lydia smith
That's true.
alex jones
Why did the chicken cross the street?
michael malice
To get to the other side?
tim pool
Probably because, well, so I have chickens, and actually, I would tell you that.
luke rudkowski
There was a black helicopter chasing it down the street.
tim pool
Well, we had a hawk attack on our chickens.
unidentified
A black hawk.
tim pool
And they all ran.
It was.
Well, I mean, the hawk was black.
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
Tim Pool, you are amazing.
luke rudkowski
Well, that's the problem.
tim pool
I've left my children alone.
alex jones
And I've got four children.
tim pool
Why did the chicken cross the road?
Probably because they weren't looking to scratch some dirt and get some...
ian crossland
Alex, at what point would you start red-pilling your kids, or do you...
alex jones
Well, that's the problem. I've left my children alone.
And I've got four children.
So one's like 19, one's 17, one's 13, one's 4.
But I always think of my child as the youngest one.
And I'm like... That's why I feel guilty.
She knows how to run... I don't know how to turn the TV on.
I don't watch a lot of it.
It's like all these... She says, I want to put music on.
I want my... She's like...
And all of a sudden Sanjay Gupta...
And I'm like grilling a steak. I'm like...
And I'm like greedily eating it.
I'm like, huh?
And then like Gupta's doing it.
So I go turn it off.
I'm telling you my daughter is like a demon conjuring Sanjay Gupta.
So this happened like five days ago.
So I don't know what to do.
ian crossland
I don't got kids.
unidentified
Don't look at me.
ian crossland
Do you just like talk to her like an adult?
Like this is what the world is doing?
alex jones
You know, I don't want to say I respect my children.
I do.
But it's weird.
I can't tell a four-year-old how things work.
They see it.
So I'm just like, we're turning Sanjay off now.
And then she's throwing a fit and she doesn't know why.
Why is a dude telling my daughter she should take a shot?
michael malice
Alex, you know what you do next time?
I gotta turn this off.
This is scary.
That's what you tell her.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's very scary.
luke rudkowski
Well, children are a lot more conscious, a lot more aware.
They actually have a lot more DMT going through their brain up until a certain age.
So they're in touch with the physical realm and the spiritual world a lot more than even the human beings.
That's why they have such vivid imaginations because of the extra DMT that they have.
tim pool
Michael's shaking his head.
michael malice
I just don't know anything about DMT.
alex jones
That's why the pedophiles want to rape them.
tim pool
Okay.
Well, anyway.
lydia smith
Moving on.
tim pool
Thomas Jefferson was in the Illuminati.
ian crossland
He was the head of the Illuminati.
luke rudkowski
What Alex talked about, which again, we're trying to be a family-friendly show, but I think that's out the window somehow, has happened throughout recorded human history.
tim pool
Oh dude, we are not going down that rabbit hole.
I'll tell you what frustrates me.
michael malice
Racism.
tim pool
I mean, well, yeah, to be honest, but we have people talking about your kids and the things that, you know, the atrocities committed against children, but the manipulation.
We have people who keep saying that they won't stand up, they won't defend themselves because they have kids to feed.
And I think it's just a remarkable precedent to see that a whole year of complying has resulted in food shortages and inflation, labor shortages, port closures, and all of these people who are like, I will not stand up for freedom in my rights because I want to make sure there's food on the table.
This is food security for my children, and now their children are more at risk for it.
alex jones
I think this is the most important thing you've ever said or Yes, we complied.
Not us, but the general public.
unidentified
We did.
tim pool
We all did.
alex jones
And it made it worse.
So submitting to tyranny, being a cuck, made it worse.
So what do we do?
tim pool
I think when you look at how many states are controlled by, I don't want to say Republicans, but it is people who are in the Republican Party.
I will point out, to be fair, in New Hampshire, the Free Staters are all running as Republicans, and they're doing amazing work in restoring liberties and rights and freedoms.
So here's what I think.
I think we're actually on a great path.
And if you look at how many, you look at the recent elections with Pennsylvania and New Jersey and Virginia, Man, the Cathedral seems to be losing a lot of power.
They seem to be in a full-on panic mode.
You look at what happened at the FBI and James O'Keefe, and that was the act of pure desperation.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
It was such an egregious violation that even the ACLU and, you know, the free press or whatever comes out and they're like, we have to defend James O'Keefe because that went overboard.
But the FBI was so panicked, so scared, so desperate, they made this pathetic move.
michael malice
You can't... Sorry, I was just going to say one thing.
You can't look at Joe Biden as a symbol of an empire at the height of its strength.
tim pool
It's true, right.
So here's what I see.
alex jones
He looks like a tombstone.
tim pool
Here's what I see.
I see good news.
I see all this stuff, all this bad stuff we talk about, all the stuff that scares us, and all the concerns we have about mandates and all that stuff.
And then I see people talking about a red tsunami.
And it's only going to be good if people primary the establishment of republics.
alex jones
And good, I agree.
Oh God, that's so true.
We're in trouble if we let establishment blue blood republics get in.
I don't care if it's a liberal or conservative, but a real populist gets in.
You're absolutely right.
tim pool
The poster child!
I'm talking about the House, the Senate, and more importantly, the state representatives
and the state senates.
That Trucker who won in New Jersey has got to be, in my opinion, the greatest symbol
of victory.
You know why?
Because he didn't do anything!
Ocasio-Cortez, when she beats Crowley, it was because people were like, anything but
these people again.
Now she's playing about the establishment.
But let's look at New Jersey.
What's the guy's name?
Ed Durr?
unidentified
Ed Durr.
D-U-R-R.
tim pool
He spends 153 bucks to file to run and then just shrugs.
And then people are like, I'll take the ham sandwich over the Democrat.
alex jones
That guy's the blueprint of victory.
Trump should have him everywhere.
They should have him everywhere.
michael malice
First of all, Alex, you and I are old enough to remember in 1994, the first time Republicans took Congress in 40 years.
Everything's going to be different.
Very little was different.
Contracts on America.
Otherwise, except for a balanced budget, very few things were different.
So I disagree a little bit if there's going to be a red wave in 2022, that that's going to save America.
That said, hold on.
luke rudkowski
I agree with you, Malice.
michael malice
Of course, thank you.
alex jones
But can I get Alex... But how do we make the red wave be for us?
michael malice
Alex.
One second.
My point is the victory is not going to come as a consequence of government and elections.
Victory is going to come once people realize that it's all a bunch of crap and all of this authority and nonsense is illegitimate at its core.
blaire white
Did you ever comply?
You mentioned you never complied.
michael malice
I didn't have to because I was working at Compound Media.
I was classified as a whatever important worker, whatever essential worker, and I didn't do the lockdown for one minute.
unidentified
Yeah.
blaire white
I did the two weeks, and then I feel like an idiot for it.
luke rudkowski
I mean, change is gonna happen when people take personal responsibility for themselves.
When they start taking their own lives- Well, you gotta talk straight into the mic.
Yeah, it's just hard, because it keeps locking my face here.
But when people start taking their own lives into their own hands, and start making decisions for their families, for their communities, for their neighborhoods on a local level, that's when things will change dramatically, and they can change- It's always best.
The whole system is based on an illusion.
michael malice
Can I just say one thing?
luke rudkowski
It's always best to stand up.
And once that lie is eviscerated, We should lose.
We should lose.
asserting themselves as free, sovereign human beings.
michael malice
And here's the model. The model is gun right laws.
If you're looking at Washington, it's going to be a wash.
If you go to the Wikipedia and look at the gun right laws in America page,
there is a GIF that goes year by year in terms of...
tim pool
We showed it just like last week.
michael malice
Oh, perfect.
Where it goes from no one has gun licenses to may issue, to shall issue, to not even having a license.
And then state by state, it overwhelmingly changed.
Alex, let me finish.
alex jones
You've been talking continually.
michael malice
You said 10 minutes, Alex.
This is the gift.
ian crossland
A lot of those middle states.
michael malice
Exactly.
And the other thing is, the mob that's going to happen, what's going to save America, is when this happens with regards to education.
As the money goes to funding students instead of funding systems, and you get kids out of government schools, which are literal prisons for children, and the only place many people experience violence in their lifetimes, the cathedral is ruined.
Because all you need is 10% of the population to realize that this is all a lie.
tim pool
Just look at this map.
And watch as all of the shell issues turn green, which is constitutional carry.
Unrestricted right to bear arms.
michael malice
Can you explain what the colors are?
It might be hard to read.
tim pool
So this is, it's going to start over in a second.
In 1986, no issue, meaning these states, all the states that are in red, which is a large amount, will not give you concealed carry.
ian crossland
Watch how they flip green.
tim pool
In the yellow ones, they might.
The blue ones, as they're now expanding, are ordered, they must give you a concealed carry if you apply.
You can see here, this is, I think, this is Vermont, right?
That's unrestricted.
Alaska, unrestricted.
Now, starting around the mid-2000s, the late 2000s, we start seeing the rise.
Okay, 2010.
Constitutional carry starts.
States are now enforcing, enacting laws that say you don't need a permit, you don't need to apply, the Constitution says you have a right to keep and bear arms.
Texas just got this.
This is crazy.
Texas actually had to take an exam and a handgun license.
Now in Texas, it's constitutional carry.
alex jones
Freedom is a chain reaction.
ian crossland
It could be a coincidence that a bunch of those red states in the middle are now green.
A bunch of the no issues are now unrestricted.
lydia smith
That's crazy, isn't it?
tim pool
Southern states said, we will not give you a concealed carry permit.
Now they're like, You can do whatever you want.
We're not going to ask you.
alex jones
Freedom is contagious.
luke rudkowski
I think the chart is also going to be the same way when it comes to homeschooling because we're seeing this huge rise of people saying this indoctrination center, this Rockefeller-created education center is something that's destroying my child's flame.
My child's life is being destroyed by this indoctrination, by this hate.
alex jones
By the way, Luke, It's almost over the top what they're trying to cause, a populist uprising.
luke rudkowski
Yes.
alex jones
Everything they're, like, what is, it's so ridiculous.
michael malice
And here's the thing, Alex, it doesn't matter where a parent stands politically, you go on TikTok and you see these educational professionals running their mouths, you're gonna think, I don't know what this is, but I don't want this person near my kid.
unidentified
Yep.
luke rudkowski
There's a university professor today making Pedophilia!
I wasn't going to say that, but now we're saying it.
He was making excuses for pedophilia as a university professor in sociology, making a video publicly, not afraid to say, hey, pedophiles are just, you know, minor attracted persons.
No, they're not.
They're pedophiles.
They need to be called out for what they are.
And trying to normalize this culturally is having a huge backlash.
And they've been doing this in Loudoun County, but they've been doing this in counties all throughout the United States.
tim pool
I just want to point something out.
I think it should be apparent to people why we, on our show, are less likely to get censored.
A lot of people are just like, I don't understand how, you know, Tim isn't getting shadowbanned as often, we sometimes do, and they're like, my show gets taken down and I said these things, and it's like, You know, sometimes we have guests on the show who just yell, child rape out.
Normally we don't do that.
We tell people, like, be careful because the idea is what's important, not the language.
And it's true that we have people who watch with their kids and they ask us not to do that.
So today's episode was off the rails with all the swearing and everything.
It started when I got an email and someone was like, hey, I drive in the car and listen to your podcast.
If you were more family friendly, you know, it'd be more palatable.
I'm like, oh, that makes sense.
But then we get a lot of people and it's very obvious how, I'm just gonna come out right and say it, y'all are abrasive, very abrasive and very hard for regular people to get into when you scream these extreme things that people don't get.
When Joe told you that you have the, I guess, what did he say?
It's like, you know stuff.
So when you come out and say it and people don't know it, It comes, like, you're sort of blinded by what you know and what people don't.
So when we're talking about stuff, and I think this comes from, you know, I'd worked in non-profits and marketing and fundraising.
If you want someone to, like, have a conversation and engage, and you want to make sure the ideas persist and they understand, yelling something like child rape is a guaranteed way to make sure they shut down, don't listen.
alex jones
Okay, Tim, can I just say something?
You're right that I can be slicker.
I was saying it's in the news today, all over the news.
tim pool
I'm not trying to be critical.
alex jones
No, I love you, so I understand.
You're right.
Help me.
You're right.
I can teach you, you can teach me.
I agree.
I should have said it very calmly and nicely.
In Loudoun County, the young man that raped the woman, or allegedly raped the woman, has now pled guilty.
And so it turns out... No, he didn't.
tim pool
He pled no contest.
alex jones
Okay, well he pled.
tim pool
No Contest is a no-fault submission to the court basically saying, I'm not going to, I'm not contesting this, just do whatever you want to do.
alex jones
Well, I defer to you.
The headline I saw was that he pled to defer it.
No Contest.
tim pool
So no contest is basically saying I don't want to plead guilty because then people will be like, aha, you're guilty.
I just don't think I can win if I fall.
michael malice
Tim, my understanding is that Nola Contendori is regarded legally as effectively a guilty plea.
That's my understanding.
Can someone look it up on Wikipedia?
alex jones
You're like Meg.
You say, I'm guilty but don't hit me.
All I'm saying is this.
All I'm saying is this.
They said that dad was a bad guy.
They said he was a liar.
The New York Times said he made it up.
And all I'm saying is that that is now in the news that that happened.
And I'm sure you're right.
I'm not perfect, but everybody's big and tough.
People should be able to hear this stuff.
That's all I'm saying.
tim pool
For sure, sure.
I remember a long time ago I was watching, I think it was CNN, I'm not sure, it might have been C-SPAN.
and they were out on the ground, and I can't remember, they were on the ground at some event,
and you were there, and they said, oh look, it's, you know, it's Alex Jones, radio host,
and you came onto the camera and immediately started going, people you gotta listen to me,
I'm telling you right now, and my friends were just, they all started busting out laughing,
and then they walked away, they turned it off. Tim, you were right.
michael malice
Let me read it for no contest to support a legal issue.
So when you plead no contest, like Spiro Agnew did, I believe, the former vice president, it's a plea in which the defendant in a criminal prosecution accepts conviction as though a guilty plea has been entered, but does not admit guilt.
ian crossland
And that can work in civil court, apparently.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
And some states don't allow that.
alex jones
The point is the media said the dad made it up and arrested him.
And the dad was pissed.
The dude, who was supposedly a woman, went to the next place.
I don't care if he's a man or a woman.
I don't care what he did.
He reportedly assaulted a woman.
That's why I'm upset.
tim pool
Two teen girls.
Yeah, this kid.
And one of the big things about it was they initially said that it was a trans teen, but it wasn't.
Um, which is the weirdest thing.
The teen who pled no contest is not trans, as far as I know.
alex jones
Yeah, and I don't hate anybody.
Gay, straight, whatever.
blaire white
My point is... Well, that's the point, too.
It's just taking advantage of the laws.
It's not... Exactly.
tim pool
Perverts take advantage of... No, but nobody... It was a weird thing, because I read the story, and I don't think the perpetrator even claimed to be trans.
Someone just decided to say it.
blaire white
Was he wearing a wig?
unidentified
Did he dress up?
Did he get in?
tim pool
He was wearing a dress, wearing a skirt, wearing a skirt and went into the girls bathroom to
assault a girl.
Oh well.
So that just sounds like a predator going into a bathroom to assault somebody.
alex jones
You know what I mean?
But, but, but for both, all you, for everybody, what's the question?
Why did they decide to not just burn the person that did it instead of try to cover it up?
Because it came out in emails.
The school's like, let's cover this up.
blaire white
Because once it was a narrative that it was a trans person, then they have the incentive to protect their ideology and they're not going to admit that.
drew hernandez
Well, the district also had a policy that they were going to present and punch in, I think, for the unisex bathrooms and the teachers were going to be required to address the students based off their own preferred pronouns.
They literally shoved this girl under the rug that was violated for the sake of a policy because they didn't want it to come out that this might be a bad idea.
tim pool
It's a cult.
It's a cult.
drew hernandez
Honestly, I think this is what... We're talking about why things are changing.
I mean, I don't think anybody's politics is really gonna...
Like control how people view their children and what I mean by that is your children are everything to you And if we can't get behind protecting children and we put politics and policy over children I think we have some serious problems.
This is why things are changing and Loudoun County right and they're also insulting people they literally said
the reason why Democrats lost in Latin in in this state was because it was
a white lash this was the narrative they're insulting all these people when
if it was a white lash please tell me how the first black Republican lieutenant
governor got elected nothing to do with law it's nothing to do with law
tim pool
it's nothing to do It's nothing to do with policy.
None of that matters.
What matters is culture.
Now, they will use school boards, they will use positions of power to enforce things they want, but if the culture does not agree, it does not happen.
The problem is, as Michael described it, most people prefer safety over freedom.
So what happens is...
alex jones
They don't get safety in slavery.
tim pool
They don't.
So here's what happens.
Culturally, we almost exclusively agree as Americans, critical race theory, when you
actually discuss the tenets of it, what it actually is, you go to someone and say, should
we segregate people in schools?
Almost every single person, 99% will say no.
Then you ask them, would you be willing to go to a meeting and demand they stop doing
And they'll say, absolutely not!
Because I'm scared!
And then what happens?
Their kids get segregated.
alex jones
No, you said it.
We've been bullied and because we won't...
That's it.
So what do we do, Tim?
tim pool
Well, I was saying in the primaries, primary out the establishment Republicans.
A red wave is not going to save anybody.
But the Free State Project in New Hampshire, how do you feel about that, Michael?
I feel like that's huge.
alex jones
A libertarian wave taking over the Republicans is beautiful.
Or Democrats.
I don't care.
How about we have a populist wave take over everything?
luke rudkowski
Well, like, with the Free State Project, last time I brought it up to Malice, I was like, hey, are you going to Porkfest?
You were like, no!
I'm like, how dare you?
I think we're going, I think we're taking this RV to Porkfest.
tim pool
If we can get Starling.
luke rudkowski
We can, and I'll get it, and don't worry about it.
michael malice
That wasn't a knock against the Free State Project, that was a knock against me being in the woods.
Okay.
I just want to clarify that.
I'm a big fan of the Free State Project.
alex jones
Hey, Michael, we're going shooting Saturday.
Come on.
michael malice
Yes.
We're getting vaccines?
Different kind of shooting.
tim pool
And we're going to bring barbecue down, right?
unidentified
Are we bringing barbecue down?
alex jones
Did I get you barbecue today?
tim pool
You did, from Terry Blass.
ian crossland
I haven't had it yet.
tim pool
It's amazing.
michael malice
Blair, are you going to bring your pink AR?
blaire white
I can do that.
michael malice
She's got one!
alex jones
I've got a barbecue for you.
blaire white
I want to go to the woods with you, though.
Thursday, too.
tim pool
I know, it sounds like a nightmare.
alex jones
If you want roodies, we'll get that.
tim pool
Yeah, we could do roodies.
ian crossland
So you think a statewide school choice initiative is the next step?
tim pool
I think we need a national free state kind of thing.
We need people at the local level to start voting only for their local candidates who agree with certain principles of freedom, liberty, individual responsibility.
alex jones
I agree.
We need a litmus test for liberals, conservatives, gay, straight, whatever.
Do you support the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, everybody's rights?
michael malice
Let's get past the labels.
This is nonsense.
Who's going to be putting this litmus test into practice?
luke rudkowski
They do it in New Hampshire.
New Hampshire has the highest amount of homeschoolers per capita in the entire United States.
They have some of the highest IQ.
They have some of the highest machine gun ownership.
michael malice
Stop, stop.
unidentified
This is nonsense.
alex jones
I've talked to gay people, straight people, black people, white people.
They all want freedom.
unidentified
No they don't.
michael malice
You're full of shit because you saw what happened with the lockdowns.
If they all wanted freedom, we wouldn't have the lockdowns.
That's a complete lie.
alex jones
We stopped the lockdowns.
michael malice
Wait, what do you mean we stopped the lockdowns?
drew hernandez
Florida stopped the lockdowns.
luke rudkowski
Wait, no.
alex jones
And why are you so pessimistic?
michael malice
I'm not pessimistic because I'm thinking if you think the salvation is going to be voting in the right people, you're completely delusional.
unidentified
No!
alex jones
We culturally fight at every level.
Voting is one aspect.
drew hernandez
Alex, he's talking about the lemmings.
unidentified
The millions of lemmings in this country that bend the knee to the global elites.
michael malice
And to the constitution.
alex jones
What do we do about them?
drew hernandez
And they don't want freedom.
michael malice
You have to create systems that work around them.
Which means non-democratic systems.
tim pool
What does that mean, non-democratic?
michael malice
Meaning systems that don't depend on getting a majority of simpletons to agree with you.
alex jones
No, I agree.
I'm a Republican.
If 51% want to enslave me, they don't have a right.
michael malice
But if it's 85%, it doesn't matter.
I don't care how popular it is.
My rights are not up for discussion, let alone a vote.
And Luke, the reason I was disagreeing with you is... Stop getting so mad, Malice.
I am mad because there's a war in our minds.
What I was disagreeing with you about, Luke, is New Hampshire is a self-sufficient population.
It's a very small population.
You can't replicate the Free State Project on a nationwide level because there's a huge percent of the population, as you agree with, who do not share our values.
luke rudkowski
I disagree, because if you look at just autonomy, I don't care if it's a bunch of communists wanting to live in the woods.
We have examples of this with the Amish.
The Amish are living by their own set of rules, without government, without mandates, without vaccine mandates, and they're doing a lot better than a lot of other people.
So if the Amish...
No, it's not true.
They are dealing with COVID, but they haven't had a significant... Cheryl Atkinsons did a great documentary about this.
It's on our YouTube channel.
It's great.
They are dealing with COVID.
You guys are both right.
It's much lower.
They don't have a huge death rate like many people expect it to, even though they have policies where they literally drink from the same cup, they have religious ceremonies, and everyone said the Amish are going to die, the Amish are going to have a huge extinction event.
That didn't happen.
Their death rate has stayed the same with COVID, comparatively to the rest of the population.
So that's a big thing.
Cheryl Atkinson's documentary is really huge here, and if the Amish could do it, the Free State Project could do it, and that's victory in itself.
That's victory when people say, hey, I just want to have my own kind of life, my own rules, my own autonomy.
unidentified
That's right.
alex jones
With tyranny, non-compliance is key.
luke rudkowski
And New Hampshire has created a beacon for Bitcoin, has created a beacon for personal responsibility, for personal freedom, for homeschooling.
It's becoming the shining light and example of people coming together and saying, hey, this is how I want to live.
michael malice
You can live there.
luke rudkowski
And if people want to be communists, let them go to New York City.
alex jones
Let them go to Los Angeles.
luke rudkowski
They have a right to live wherever they want to.
michael malice
That's what I'm saying.
It's not going to replicate nationwide.
luke rudkowski
It doesn't have to be.
tim pool
I have an administrative thing to announce to the people listening.
For the superchats, at a certain point, YouTube just starts deleting superchats.
So we can read some of them.
I just, I just want to say it because I feel bad for a lot of people who are, you know, posting comments and questions.
When you have a show this big, we had 110 plus, I think we had like 114 or 15,000 people watching at one time.
Good lord.
blaire white
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
YouTube just basically starts erasing the superchats.
lydia smith
Thank you everyone.
tim pool
Give me a copy of those superchats.
unidentified
Mouse!
ian crossland
You could live in New York City.
luke rudkowski
You could live in Los Angeles or you could live in New Hampshire.
I live in New Hampshire because that's how I choose to live my life.
michael malice
Luke, I moved to Austin for this reason.
You're preaching to the choir.
luke rudkowski
You moved to the new California where all the trendies are moving to.
michael malice
The point is, Tim and Alex were asking how do we replicate this nationwide and all I'm saying is you can't replicate the Free State Project nationwide because there's not enough people to make that happen democratically.
tim pool
No, I disagree.
We were just talking about how... Who was mentioning this?
The primaries basically dictate how all the elections are being run.
Were we talking about this?
I don't think we were.
But the idea is that you get a small amount of people who will vote for a Democrat and then independents basically don't participate in primaries.
So they enter the election and they're like, what are my choices?
Whatever the Democrat 10% and the Republican 10% voted for.
What happens if you get a free state project of, you got a state with a million people, or you got a jurisdiction of a million people, and 100,000 are liberty-minded people who are brought together, and they all say, we are all going to vote in the Republican primary for this libertarian, and then the independent moderates have no choice but to vote for our guy.
alex jones
Exactly, it's that swing vote that takes over.
ian crossland
That's how Trump won.
tim pool
It's how the progressive, it's how AOC won.
Nobody actually knew who or what she was.
michael malice
I feel like I'm crazy.
There's an enormous asymmetry because when you have those two candidates, whoever that libertarian candidate is, will be demonized by the corporate press.
alex jones
But that backfires now!
michael malice
Biden won!
ian crossland
Yeah, I think you're right that we need a non-democratic solution.
unidentified
I'll tell you what the most... Okay, well he wouldn't win right now.
I don't think he'd win right now, but the most frustrating thing is... They won two seats in Georgia.
tim pool
They write an article explaining about the shadow campaign to save the election.
They talk about mail-in voting and how it gave them massive advantages over Republicans, and then you end up with this large populist movement spinning in circles about things they haven't proven in a year.
And then, instead of getting their ground game going and countering the changes to election law, they're going around screaming at each other about... So, if we're engaged, Tim, in a reset war, I'm trying to get people to realize... Is there a website for that, Alex?
alex jones
The corporation is creating resetwars.com.
The point is, it's the biggest thing I'm doing.
It's going to launch next month.
It's huge.
I've changed the world a lot here, so I'm not a BS-er.
This is big stuff.
How do we get people aware of the global corporate structure, how they're mind-controlling us, instead of just receiving the propaganda?
We've got a big, awakened population right now.
How do we get them engaged?
ian crossland
I would say build a decentralized parallel system, and I'll give it to you also.
tim pool
Well, I'll say it's do ridiculous things like this.
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
You know, I was like, hey, we're into a really, really crazy show.
Navigate the minefields to the best of your abilities so they don't, you know, chop the tree down before it has a chance to bear fruit.
And I will say free state-like ideas, it's not perfect, but I think New Hampshire is doing something very, very powerful and positive.
And I gotta tell you, if we're gonna have any victories, like what New Hampshire is doing, is very interesting, and it can be done in other states, a small minority of politically active individuals can over... Like, look at the Mises Caucus.
I know the Libertarian Party is not very big.
michael malice
When Dave Smith gets 15% of the polling numbers in 2024, and I'm the press secretary for that campaign, Getting 15% in the polls is not impossible.
And then things are really gonna get fun.
tim pool
And then what happens is, you may be in the minority, but most people will just vote for one or the other, and if you're the alternative to the corrupt machine where people are ready to vote for a ham sandwich, you're there.
Here's what I want to say.
So, right now, one of the things that bothers me the most, we had Steve Bannon on this show, and I think he's a very smart guy, and we did a members-only segment where we talked about fraud, and he's adamant in his belief, and I said, take a look at universal mail-in voting.
This is why I believe there is no fraud, and I believe it's a red herring that has manipulated the populists into totally losing their standing and grounding and their ability to win these battles.
Because you have, in a Democrat city, one... Look at New York.
You get one housing complex with 500 units.
They all get five universal mail-in ballots for the five people who live there.
Mom, Dad, and their 2.5 kids.
The Democrat sends one activist to go door-to-door and hits 500 families, times five votes each, and they can do that in a couple days, just knocking on doors as they make their way up, and they say this.
Did you vote yet?
Your ballot is right there.
Fill it out.
I'll wait.
Republicans have to go to rural areas where they drive through suburbs and they can hit five houses on one block and they can get ten houses in a day.
alex jones
And Republicans should focus on cities.
tim pool
Republicans should focus on the rule changes that heavily advantage urban dense centers.
The Republicans should focus on the rule changes that disadvantaged Republicans.
Instead, what are we getting?
Trump's movement, the populists, are right now They're talking about Venezuela and China and gun battles in Germany, and I'm like, they shut them down with the conspiracy fraud stuff.
And now, because Donald Trump won in 2016 with 77,000 votes across three states.
Sure, he did really well in the electoral college, but it was 77,000 votes across three states.
And so they said, if we can throw the populist movement off base with something that won't have an impact on us, we won't lose again.
And they did it.
A year before the 2020 election, the Republicans in Pennsylvania changed the law to introduce universal mail-in voting.
We talked with Sean Parnell about this.
He sued about this.
They said, at first, we're going to create universal mail-in voting.
Uh-oh, our Constitution forbids it.
And they stopped because they needed a constitutional amendment to enact it.
They stopped and said, OK, what do we do?
Let's change the word to mail-in instead of absentee and pass it anyway.
And when Sean Parnell and others sued over this because it was an unconstitutional change, a lower court judge said, on the merits, you will likely win.
It went to a higher court who said, not on the merits, just for standing or for, it's too late, I forgot what the Latin word for too late is, they said, we're not even going to take the case.
So we see an article that in Time Magazine, the shadow campaign to win, to save the election, and they explain exactly what they did.
We changed all the rules to heavily advantage dense urban centers, and then Republicans got, not Republicans, but the populists, got wrapped up in a fraud narrative that stopped them from- There's a whole book about this.
michael malice
There's a whole book about- Can I say something now?
No, let me just say one sentence, Alex.
One sentence.
There's a whole book about this called RIGGED by Molly Hemingway.
I know you had Mark on the show to discuss this, so if people are interested, they can read about it.
Go ahead, Alex.
alex jones
No, I'm just going to say, where does this all end?
We're about to be at war with China, the dollar's plunging, there's massive inflation.
Let's talk about the big picture.
What is the American people going to do as they realize that the design collapse is here?
And that all these corporate interests think we're too stupid to understand what's happening.
To me, that's the big deal.
Forget Trump.
Forget Democrats.
Forget, you know, all this stuff.
We are in a major sea change right now.
luke rudkowski
Alex, I think being happy, healthy and prepared for whatever comes next is the solution, is the real resistance.
And there's going to be a lot of turmoil, especially economically, hitting this country.
As soon as COVID happened, I was like, this is not going to be about COVID.
This is going to be about the economy.
And we're seeing the start of this.
This is only the beginning of this.
And I think we're really headed for hard times.
And I think the way to resist this is by having family, is by having a network, is by having a cohesive group together that is ready for whatever happens.
If you're unprepared, you're weighing down your family, you're weighing down your neighborhood, you're weighing down your community.
So right now, more than ever, smarten up.
Look at the situation that's happening in front of you and make sure that you are ready for whatever's to come because it's going to be a very bumpy ride.
alex jones
I totally agree with that.
We should just transcend all the arguments and realize this is a global engineer collapse.
luke rudkowski
Yes, it is.
ian crossland
I'm concerned about the food supply.
Because people love each other until they get hungry.
tim pool
Great point, Ian.
alex jones
Yeah, I'm going to eat my neighbors!
ian crossland
How do you rapidly bring about equality?
tim pool
How do you bring about the equity they have said they want to bring about?
It's simple.
Knock everyone to zero, and then there's no systemic inequality, and everyone is now destitute and poor, and then when you start over, everyone will be the same, or so they believe.
We'll see.
alex jones
No, I agree.
If you wanted to run an actual communist system, you'd knock everyone to zero and then let their own instincts bring it back up, but they're not going to do that.
tim pool
Well, see, what would happen is there are some people of skill and merit who will naturally rise to the top, and there are some people who won't.
And so there's this belief among the postmodernists, the blank slayers and all that stuff, that you strip everyone of what they own, take away everything they own, and make them all worth nothing, and then when they start over everyone will be equal.
But you know what's going to happen?
Uh-oh, the tall grass will start growing again.
And as we know, the communists will decide you have to cut the tall grass.
And they'll keep having to mow the lawn to deal with the fact that some people are better than others.
And I don't mean, like, I mean quite literally in terms of skill, in terms of passion.
alex jones
Yeah, it's okay.
It's okay that some people are better than others at work.
tim pool
It's okay.
Literally.
Sports, math, science.
alex jones
Yeah, there's a lot of folks better at lifting weights or doing math than me.
I've got my skills.
tim pool
Joe Logan is a better fighter than I am.
alex jones
He is a badass.
I need to recognize that he's better than me at fighting.
tim pool
That's right.
And so what happens when you have a society of a bunch of people and some people are just better than others?
alex jones
And then you learn, oh I'm better at this, let me provide this to the man or woman that's better than me at this, and then we have a symbiotic relationship.
That's what it's all about.
tim pool
So what ends up happening then is the guy who's better than Michael at baking cakes, bakes the cakes.
Because why would Michael if someone else can do it better?
And then all of a sudden we have a society with really awesome cake, we have great basketball players, we have great scientists, we have amazing and talented politicians who clearly... I'm kidding about that last one.
But then people can say, you know, whoever is really good at this task can help provide that task.
That's basically what we do.
The postmodernists, neomarxists, communists, whatever, this ideology, this cult religion, they don't believe that exists.
So, what'll happen?
Well, they'll have to purge anyone who proves it doesn't exist.
alex jones
Yeah, they want to attack anybody that isn't fit for that model.
But then, that's the lie.
They say they're in charge in the model.
They say, oh, nobody's in charge but them.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
And if they're not, say there's like a horrible reset where like an asteroid hit the earth and wiped out the population and they came- grew back like 13,000 years ago.
You see warlords.
You see the people that are the best at and got there first taking power, not necessarily good.
It's never been a perfect system, it's an imperfect system.
drew hernandez
Tyranny is not a conspiracy theory, and I think people need to understand that.
You're either going to learn through wisdom, or you're going to learn through experience.
We could sit here and warn the world with absolute truth, day in, day out, every single night, giving them the best coherent arguments as to why they shouldn't follow these dangerous ideologies.
It's not until they actually feel it, experience it, will they actually wake up.
And I'm not talking about the people that are watching that are awake to this stuff.
I'm talking about the people that actually believe what's being told to them on CNN and all these propagandas.
alex jones
True, that's beautiful.
Tyranny is not a conspiracy theory.
drew hernandez
It's not a conspiracy theory.
It's happened in human history and I just want, I want to communicate to the viewers right now We are not telling you what to think.
We are telling you, think for yourself.
Because if you're not thinking for yourself, then someone else is thinking for you.
Whether it's left or right.
And that's when you get into a dangerous place.
That's happening in mainstream media.
That's happening in the music industry.
That's happening in education.
It's happening on all fronts.
And right now, this podcast is for the purpose to communicate to the public.
Think for yourself.
Because that is the message that I think every single one of us have.
unidentified
That's right.
alex jones
Don't give your will over to anybody.
tim pool
And two things.
Hopefully, whatever ends up happening to this podcast, it already reached a lot of people.
alex jones
Yeah, what is it?
Millions already?
tim pool
I think we probably, in total views, maybe over a million, but I won't know until we wrap and we get the full numbers.
alex jones
Dude, you had Joe Rogan for an hour.
tim pool
I'm grateful, man.
blaire white
What was the peak live number?
unidentified
110?
tim pool
No, I think it was a little bit more than 110.
alex jones
You told me when I was on was the record.
Didn't Joe Rogan?
tim pool
No, no, no.
When we had you on last year, it was like 140.
michael malice
That was us.
tim pool
Yeah, it was crazy.
But, uh, so the other thing I'll say is, I'm only gonna take, I'm gonna try and take a few Super Chats.
alex jones
We should!
Let's talk to these people.
michael malice
Shout out to DMT.
tim pool
I'm just, I'm looking for the hard, legitimate, good questions.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
That we can, that can spark the conversation.
But I greatly respect and appreciate all the Super Chats that are saying, you know, FJB, and we love the show, and things like that.
I mean it, I mean it.
YouTube deleted a lot of them, but I want to try and find the core questions that we can ask to kind of, you know, keep this conversation at a good level, and we have one right here from Hoosier Films is malice. How do we go from the Constitution
is garbage and boomer
to the freedom will come through gun rights laws?
How exactly will those get done legally without current 2A?
michael malice
The 2A has been a very, very poor bulwark against government encroachment against gun rights
as the fact is that as a New Yorker
it's almost impossible to get a handgun. So the second amendment is supposed to
codify your right to bear arms but the courts can define however they like and they
completely dismiss it.
So the best answer for gun rights is gun proliferation.
Because once there's enough guns distributed through the population, it's literally impossible to have that bell be unrung.
alex jones
Power to the people.
ian crossland
What about like arms in general?
Like if you had like nanobots that could fly into people's ears and blow their heads like
would should everyone have that weapon too?
michael malice
No only me.
blaire white
Right.
ian crossland
And Blair.
alex jones
Would today cover that?
That's the big question.
The globalists say they're going to take over and have world government to stop proliferation
of inter technology which I get but then they still have the power.
michael malice
Of course yes.
It never applies to them.
blaire white
But that's the part of everything that came out of 2020 that didn't work in their favor
was there were so many people who realized for the first time in their lives they needed
michael malice
And one more thing, everyone's stupid Facebook friend for a long time up till 2020 was talking about, look at Australia, they gave up their guns and now they don't have crime.
You're full of it.
Look at Australia.
And now I'm going to tell your Facebook friends, yeah, look at Australia.
alex jones
Look at gun control.
It equals total slavery.
luke rudkowski
Look at Europe.
They have the most VAX mandates.
michael malice
I don't want to look at Europe.
luke rudkowski
They have the least amount of gun ownership in the world.
michael malice
Yeah, no shit about country references.
tim pool
So, I'll say it again.
Most of the Super Chats are just like, I agree, or great show, and things like that.
And thank you all so much for the Super Chats, because this is a huge show for us.
But we have a good question here.
Uncle Sam says, Tim, do you still stick to it's just a mask?
Why or why not?
I saw it as a cracked door to what we are experiencing now.
Thoughts?
I do feel like it's just a mask, for the most part.
We flew out here and they said, you have to wear a mask by federal law.
I said, what federal law?
And they were like, there is none.
And then I was like, I'm wearing the mask.
I'm not stressed about it, right?
There's no federal law amending the masks.
But if a private business says, we have a plane, you can fly it, you got to wear a mask.
I say, okay.
It's like, whatever.
It was three hours.
It's annoying and I don't like it, but it's not irreversible.
A private company It's tough, right?
michael malice
Go to minimallycompliantmasks.com and you can get a mask that doesn't do anything but looks like it's doing something.
tim pool
Well, regardless of that... That's what I use.
We had a conversation on this show.
The CDC has put out 65 studies saying masks do reduce transmission to varying degrees and the numbers vary wildly depending on what people think the efficacy is.
But ultimately there's a challenge of private businesses can say we want you to wear a mask the same as they say we want you to wear a shirt and it's not the end of the world for me to walk into a store put on a mask walk off take it walk out take it off it is however when the business says you can't enter unless you undergo an irreversible medical procedure that's very very different Medical IDs and the vaccine passport is the key to the carbon tax and the social credit score.
alex jones
The vaccine pass, in the Davos Group's own words, is the platform and the key to their entire takeover.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, digital ID.
Everywhere you go, they walk your papers, no matter what.
michael malice
Exactly, they can track and trace you.
luke rudkowski
And then the social credit score.
tim pool
Here's a very, very important question.
Maddie Matt Matt says, Tim, who's the smoking hot babe with the sultry voice sitting next to Blair?
blaire white
Michael Mallon.
lydia smith
Sitting next to Blair.
I love it.
alex jones
This is my wife right here.
michael malice
Oh my god.
luke rudkowski
Already?
blaire white
Listen.
michael malice
Are you going to take his name Blair?
unidentified
What?
michael malice
Blair Jones.
alex jones
Go ahead and elbow me right here in a second.
tim pool
There are a lot of really funny joke questions that I would love to read, but I really am trying to find... Read them all!
No, I want to find the good questions about what's going on and what we can talk about that's actually, you know... Spark a conversation.
Well, a lot of people are asking Blair to do something with Tom McDonald, and considering there were many of those I've seen so far... Blair did a whole music video, what else do they want?
I guess more?
unidentified
Oh man, trying to find good questions.
blaire white
I mean, I'd love to, but...
michael malice
I was on Blair's show reacting to Tic Tacs, so you can find that on her YouTube channel.
blaire white
Oh yeah, everyone should go watch the video we just posted on my channel, me and Michael.
michael malice
It was really fun.
ian crossland
The UFOs?
blaire white
You can come on my channel, Alex.
michael malice
I'm talking about Tic Tacs, all these crazy people.
blaire white
I want Alex on my channel.
lydia smith
That would be fun.
alex jones
Come on, I've seen it.
michael malice
Oh, Jesus.
blaire white
What is that?
unidentified
It's a stick bug.
It's a stick bug.
alex jones
Oh my God, it's a bug.
blaire white
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
The first show I ever went on was actually Alex's show.
I think I had like 10,000 subscribers and I had the nice, back when YouTube messaging was a thing, there was inboxes, you sent me the nicest message.
I forget exactly what you said, but it was just very nice.
And you were the first show I was ever on.
tim pool
So, this is not a question, but it's a statement, but I think it's still a good one.
Asher Litwin says, to answer Blair's comment about prop police cars, they're often used as a deterrent in lieu of an actual officer on protection.
michael malice
Oh, wow.
Smart.
blaire white
Interesting.
All I know is I know a guy who does that.
alex jones
Well, they got burned up.
blaire white
Well, they all got burned up.
alex jones
By my house, I got one that has a clock on it saying how fast they're going.
unidentified
Interesting.
tim pool
So, I gotta be honest.
Not a whole lot of good, direct, you know... Thanks for your money, Chuck!
alex jones
Hold on, hold on.
tim pool
I can read this one.
I can read Chase says share this link like and subscribe.
Yes, please do. Yeah, but no no but not not all of the like i'm trying to find the cut the
questions where it's like you said i get a lot like
unidentified
i was just what is the secret of the universe just you know here's how much
tim pool
i'm not trying to not read people super chats but you know a lot of more like
they said i was not a great great job doing the show you know i came in late
great great show things like that and so i i really really respect that i
luke rudkowski
appreciate it But I'm going through, just looking for... As Tim's going through this, and as Tim's going to find a good one, I just want to thank Tim for setting this up.
This is incredible.
I seriously can't thank you enough.
I think this was one of the most epic podcasts ever.
unidentified
And I just want to thank you, Tim, for...
tim pool
No, you gotta do the r-r-r-r-r-return the map!
unidentified
Return the map. Return what you have stolen. You are in great danger.
tim pool
What is that from?
alex jones
Sorry, time badness. Luke, keep going.
lydia smith
Luke, be very sincere, ok?
luke rudkowski
Sincerely, thank you, Tim, for setting this up. This is absolutely incredible.
alex jones
Yes, yes, Tim, rule.
ian crossland
This was fine.
tim pool
Admiral Nelson says this episode lived up to the hype.
Thanks for the show, Tim.
We have these type of conversations all the time.
Feel free to stop by.
ian crossland
Why did the Bible remove all the psychedelics that Jesus did from it?
unidentified
It's like you're doing an Ian impression.
alex jones
Even in Revelation, it's like the angel gives them something to take.
tim pool
We have a question.
alex jones
Sorry, I didn't mean to.
tim pool
We do have a question.
It was for Rogan, but Rogan's not here, but I still think we can discuss it.
Kyle Petty says, Tim, please ask Rogan what it's like being the new target
for all mainstream media.
Even the new Netflix special, Inside Job, insinuates he's a flat earther and says
YouTube and Joe Rogan are lying to you. Don't know if he knows about that.
Now Joe's not here because he had to leave, but...
blaire white
Did you see the SNL parody of it?
tim pool
It was not even jokes.
blaire white
It was so off-base.
alex jones
It's good to be attacked by a dying system.
tim pool
It's a big sign of success.
Netflix created a show called Inside Job.
Luke talked about it.
I'll say this.
I was hooked on that show.
I had to watch it and it was not funny.
It was not funny.
blaire white
It was supposed to be funny.
michael malice
It was a comedy show?
tim pool
It was a comedy and you'd see the beats for the jokes that didn't work.
But there was one joke I chuckled at where a psychic mushroom from the hollow earth was talking about how he can't hang out with Joe Rogan
anymore and and like just it was it's too far we've got it was
funny he was I can't remember exactly what the joke was but he was just
alex jones
like by the way did you let everybody know you're on Joe's show
tomorrow?
tim pool
yeah and this is the hard thing because that's why Joe was like hey I'll see you tomorrow
like I'm gonna go on Joe's show and I'm I'm like sweating bullets cuz I'm like
if the verdict comes in and I'm on his show and we're doing like this not
So we're here in the mobile studio.
I've got news I got this I got the verdict that the trial playing in real time I'm sitting here doing my work cuz I'm like wired into the matrix dance with who brung you you're gonna do a show Oh, no, of course, of course.
I'm just saying I'll be on his show constantly wondering Like, I'm gonna walk out of the cave and look at the sun and see my phone.
alex jones
You're taping tomorrow at like, noon?
tim pool
Yeah.
alex jones
I will, I swear to God, I'll text you when the verdict comes in.
michael malice
Alright.
tim pool
Wait, why is that?
michael malice
I like the idea that only Alex will have this information.
Like, somehow you won't be able to learn otherwise.
alex jones
No, no, no, no, no, no!
I'm his friend, and I'm going to be watching live covering it, and then I will text him if it happens.
That way he can focus on Joe.
I'm on air focusing.
I will let him know.
It's called teamwork, Mal.
It's something you anarchists don't get.
unidentified
I'm a communist!
michael malice
Mal satan, baby!
unidentified
Lenin!
alex jones
Stalin!
michael malice
Being independent and finding information on their own.
tim pool
We'll take this question.
This is a good one because it's based on what we were saying.
Matt Anthony says, Tim, what do you feel about the judge in the Rittenhouse case overturning the jury if they find him
guilty?
And we'll leave it there.
Yes, I agree with that. I think that there should already be a mistrial with prejudice.
Oh yeah.
Because the state committed a grave constitutional violation. The judge even called out. But the judge is
worried about it.
alex jones
Questioning his Fifth Amendment is wrong.
tim pool
Yes, yes. On the stand in front of the jury.
And that wasn't the only thing. He admitted evidence to the jury that wasn't supposed to be admitted.
alex jones
And he witnesses the lie. That's done.
tim pool
And he admitted CGI evidence. At this point, I feel like the left is like, the judge is biased and he needs to be
unidentified
disbarred or whatever.
tim pool
He's removed from the... And I'm like, yeah, he's biased for them.
And they don't even realize it because they're so insanely biased.
The judge has done a fairly good job across the board dismissing the gun charges.
alex jones
I always told judges we're like that guy.
michael malice
Can I say, I had Robert Barnes again, he's on my show, you're welcome, this week and we had an hour of him breaking down the case and he really went into detail because I hadn't been following the case and he really educated me.
It was fascinating.
tim pool
ResetWars.com.
blaire white
What's the name of the kid who sued CNN?
michael malice
Nicholas Sandman.
I hope that he becomes the next... I asked Robert about that and it's very, very hard to prove damages because if your damages are a trial, it's not the same as like, I lost a job or I got defamed.
unidentified
So that's actually not a likely... Unless you're Alex Jones, then you get a default judgment.
tim pool
They would have to prove malice.
blaire white
You can't have the president calling them a white supremacist.
tim pool
It's so messed up.
alex jones
They have to prove malice?
tim pool
The state is allowed to prosecute you in good faith and they owe you nothing if you are found not guilty.
But if it's malicious prosecution, which this may be, then you can sue.
michael malice
That's almost never found though.
It's almost impossible.
alex jones
This is definitely malicious prosecution because you have all the videos that they do and they try to misrepresent.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's, uh... We'll do a couple more.
Satchel Gizmo says... Luke, you get this one.
In an anarcho-capitalist society, how do you prevent corporations from monopolizing military power and creating a pseudo-government?
alex jones
Good question.
luke rudkowski
Malice, I want to give it to you.
tim pool
They have no answer!
michael malice
Markets do not tend toward monopoly, number one.
Number two is there's no... Look at NATO.
alex jones
There's no reason... But militaries do.
michael malice
What?
alex jones
You can argue and say markets don't, but militaries take over markets.
tim pool
I like the cartels, not monopolies.
michael malice
Sure.
luke rudkowski
The point being... The cartels are governments.
alex jones
Exactly!
That's another... How do the Mexicans... We're arguing semantics.
michael malice
The point being that what are presented as the strongest arguments against anarchism are inevitably descriptions of the status quo, right?
So if your concern is that we have what we have now, then it's a wash.
My point being, when you have decentralization and you have competition, especially in the military context, you would have these roaming coalitions where sometimes you'd have the NATO thing, sometimes you'd have the Iraq war, and so on and so forth.
There's no reason for it to be systematized into one monopoly because monopolies are inherently inefficient and a function of government.
luke rudkowski
No, I agree with you.
I agree.
less harm when things are more decentralized rather than...
alex jones
No, I agree with you.
luke rudkowski
...centralized with nuclear missiles that are literally above our heads and satellites
waiting to come down any moment...
I don't think Luke there's a...
...when a politician loses his brain as he's carrying a nuclear football everywhere he
goes.
That to me is dangerous.
michael malice
Did you say nuclear?
luke rudkowski
Nuclear football.
alex jones
Listen, I agree with you.
tim pool
I agree with you.
alex jones
But the thing is, it's not... How do you decentralize things without giving the decentralizers power?
unidentified
Yeah, right, like, random... What language are you speaking?
ian crossland
Well, like, random dude and his nine buddies will have a nuclear warhead at that point.
unidentified
Well, when you decentralize power, it convalesces.
tim pool
That's how power works!
michael malice
No, that's the progressive idea of economics.
Power only becomes centralized as a function of government.
Look at the music industry, look at literature, look at podcasts and the news.
Markets tend towards competition and choice as opposed to war.
ian crossland
I thought you made a good point about militaries tending towards monopolies, because that's what stops me from anarchy all the way.
I'm like a minarchist, I guess.
tim pool
I've got some bad news.
The bad news is actually good news.
You mentioned I'm going on Joe's show tomorrow, and that means in order to get my work done, I've got to wake up at 5 a.m.
So I want to unleash The members-only show and be able to just go off the rail.
So my friends, all of you who are listening, go to TimCast.com, become a member.
This is our insulated, protective sphere of warmth where we can say literally whatever we want and swear all day and night.
alex jones
And you've given them a badass show with Joe Rogan and his great crew.
The show is not over.
tim pool
What we do every night is after the main show, live, and let's be real, we are careful about sometimes what you do.
But you go to TimCast.com, become a member, and we're going to have a members-only segment of this very show where we're going to continue the show on our website.
alex jones
And Michael Malice is going to strip Yes, yes, I guess so.
michael malice
It'll be like that Patrick Swayze Saturday Night Live sketch with Chip and Dale.
alex jones
I want you to give me a powerful slug on air when we come back.
michael malice
I'm not a strong person.
alex jones
You are.
We're going shooting Saturday.
I think Joe may come.
We're going shooting Saturday.
I'm going to have barbeque out at my ranch.
michael malice
Am I going to be hunted for sport?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Just for fun?
It is a safe environment.
blaire white
Have you ever shot before?
tim pool
There's security.
I've shot before.
michael malice
We smell blood, Malice.
Yes, on my nose!
Because I misgendered that dog.
tim pool
Go to TimCast.com, become a member, and help support us.
Smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show if you really like it.
You guys did.
Thank you so much for an amazing show.
Thanks so much for tuning in.
You can follow the show.
alex jones
How do they do it again?
Tell them how to subscribe.
tim pool
TimCast.com.
Become a member.
It's very, very easy.
And then we have a huge library of members-only shows where we just talk crazy.
It's crazy talk.
alex jones
There's like a two-hour show where Luke massages me with oil.
tim pool
Oh, that's a good one.
unidentified
Fake news!
tim pool
Disinformation!
Flagrant false advertising.
luke rudkowski
Are we going around?
tim pool
Yes, we are, but hold on.
Follow the show at TimCastIRL everywhere.
We have clips on Instagram.
You can follow me at TimCast on Instagram or wherever else.
alex jones
And follow us at ResetWars.com.
Biggest thing I've done yet.
It launches in three weeks in the middle of December.
ResetWars.com.
It's next level.
We've got the MKUltra documents.
michael malice
What's the website?
alex jones
ResetWars.com.
luke rudkowski
What is it?
tim pool
Alright, alright, I gotta go around.
unidentified
Blair?
luke rudkowski
Blair?
tim pool
I gotta be up at 5 a.m., come on.
alex jones
ResetWars.com.
michael malice
Tim, that sounds like a you problem.
luke rudkowski
Blair, how do we find you, Blair?
tim pool
I will press end.
unidentified
Wait, hold on, hold on.
luke rudkowski
Blair, how do we find you?
blaire white
Outros.
Blair White on YouTube, Twitter, and Instagram.
Just search the name.
You can watch me and Michael's new collab on my channel.
It's really, really funny.
And, yeah, just search me on everything.
alex jones
And freeworldnews.tv.
michael malice
Come on, Alex, let her... Alex, watch yourself!
ian crossland
I think Reset Wars is great branding.
Nice work.
blaire white
Yeah, and Alex is coming on my channel.
ian crossland
Iancrossland.net.
Pass the buck!
alex jones
Yeah!
drew hernandez
Follow me on Twitter, Drew H. Live.
Go to my website, DrewHLive.com.
That's how you can support me.
alex jones
Start oiling me!
tim pool
Yes!
ian crossland
Coconut oil!
luke rudkowski
If you want to know more about the shirt that I'm wearing and how Epstein and Christmas lights are connected, you can find out by going to TheBestPoliticalShirts.com and supporting me there.
And I also have LukeUncensored.com where I just launched all my apocalypse survival training videos.
All of it exclusively for members.
LukeUncensored.com.
alex jones
I hope to see some of you guys there.
lydia smith
That's right.
And thank you guys all very much for tuning in.
Oh, let me throw it to Michael before I go.
unidentified
You did a great job.
alex jones
Let's get ready to rumble!
luke rudkowski
Can we end on the war cry?
michael malice
Hold on, hold on.
luke rudkowski
Let Malice do it.
alex jones
ResetWars.com.
unidentified
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
tim pool
Let Michael promote his book.
lydia smith
Yes, he has to do his thing.
michael malice
I'm very, very excited.
AnarchistHandbook.com.
The audiobook has finally gotten to a distributor.
Tim did one of the chapters for the audiobook, so that's going to be at Anarchist Handbook.
That is a sexy book.
unidentified
Thank you.
michael malice
So you get it at AnarchistHandbook.com.
The book's going to be at AnarchistAudiobook.com.
And you can follow me on Michael Malice.
And you can smash my subscribe button at YouTube.com slash MichaelMaliceOfficial, where I also take some videos.
alex jones
By the way, you need to return my call to come to my show and promote that.
michael malice
That's not true.
luke rudkowski
Lydia?
tim pool
Lydia?
lydia smith
Alright, we're gonna go.
Thank you guys very much for tuning in for this super awesome in Austin show with Joe Rogan.
You guys can follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Lens.
michael malice
Do you have more followers than Sour Patch Kids now?
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
We will see all of you at TimCast.com in a members-only segment with this very show and we're gonna just open the floodgates.
Thanks for hanging out and we'll see you there.
luke rudkowski
Everyone, war cry right now.
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