Timcast IRL #409 - Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, Blaire White, Michael Malice & DrewHLive Join The Crew LIVE
Tim, Ian, Luke, and Lydia join Drew Hernandez, Michael Malice, Joe Rogan, Blaire White, and Alex Jones to discuss a wide range of topics from the Rittenhouse trial to Joe Biden's flailing administration, the crisis on the border, and the "I have kids to feed" argument, as well as the democratic system as a whole.
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So let me just start with saying, no verdict tonight in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial.
I see people commenting like they thought they're doing this big show because they thought the verdict was going to come in and they're going to break.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
He's shaking his head.
Here's what happened.
Let me tell you the story.
So we're coming down to Austin and we're trying to find good people in Austin to talk to and Blair White.
So you can't see it on camera, but the screen we have for everyone to watch the news, like to see the news articles we pull up, rises up from the dresser.
There's a book called Buried by the Times, look it up, and this was how they covered it up, because they didn't want to buy into what Hitler was saying.
I'm just telling you tomorrow's news today, there is a global destruction of the supply chain and the world currencies to bring in a new world currency based on the vaccine passport.
The issue, what they were asking is, you know, has the corporate press gotten worse?
And my point is, we have more mechanisms to expose their depravity and malfeasance in real time.
For example, if this had been 20 years ago, they would have been in a position not to let this Colorado House video, anyone would never see it.
Now, if you have some kind of hack journalist with his cameraman, one's wearing a mask, one's not, everyone's got a phone, and all it takes is one person to film it, put it on Twitter or Facebook, and then immediately everyone can see it in real time.
I think you guys are both true, there is a global awakening, but there's also a drastic escalation when it comes to the Great Reset, the Build Back Better agenda, what Klaus Schwab is having wet dreams about when it comes to enslaving humanity, making people live in pods, making people eat bugs, having them as little paid peasants.
He goes, there's no way they can compete with the internet.
He did this whole freaking rant and it was all true.
And then he went on to say, but the sucky part about technology is, is they claim all these Jetsons suits and jetpacks and all this incredible stuff, but instead your cell phone craps out when you're behind a bush.
There needs to be decentralized, open communication where people need to find out what the fuck is really going on.
We're finding that through all these corporate, all these internet companies, whether it's Google or whether it's Facebook or Instagram.
If they can just censor you based on ideology, then you don't have freedom of speech because they're the primary means that people communicate.
So until we accept that there's some sort of utility, it's not as simple as it's a private company, when it's literally one of the main two or three ways that human beings share ideas across the planet-fucking-Earth, it's bigger than just a company.
And I don't know what the solution to that is, but we have to have that conversation.
Well, there's a lot of things have opened my eyes.
Like, slowly but surely.
Like, seeing examples of people censored.
And some of them that don't make any sense at all.
Like, one of the best ones was Brett Weinstein and his whole... this whole Unity Party.
Yeah.
When that got censored, I was like, okay.
You guys banned an account for no reason because you thought that that account, which is by a bunch of influential intellectuals, was going to somehow or another take votes away from what you thought was the party that should win, and so you just banned the account.
So you're making these ideological choices about free speech.
So you're saying your free speech is not as important as the result that I want, and so you're going to ban people.
And when I saw that, I was like, this is wild.
This is fucking wild.
And then I talked to a lot of people that were the Second Amendment advocates.
They were saying before the election they were going back into their Instagrams and their Facebooks and finding posts from eight, nine years ago and banning them for those posts.
That they were going deep.
Yeah, they were doing that just specifically because they didn't want people influencing the vote in any way.
A thousand here, a hundred there, like if they could just chip away through all these different angles.
I want to counter this, though, because we were actually heading in a direction in this conversation.
We were talking about how we're actually starting to realize how deceptive the media is.
And then I pointed it over to Drew because these same tools are what allowed Drew to be on the ground during the Kenosha incident, film it, and then be a witness.
The media could have absolutely shut it down.
You'd see a newspaper article, and it would say, white supremacist crosses state lines with gun.
And that's the only thing you'd know, and they tried it.
I literally tried to say that my footage was slanted in a certain way, and I responded, and I said, well, yes, it's BLM and Antifa literally rioting in the footage.
What people need to understand is this propaganda is so dangerous, not because they're just telling lies, but they're attempting to control the narrative, which is an attempt to control your mind, and that's what's dangerous.
Whether you're a Republican or a Democrat, that should seriously concern you, because this is what they do to control the minds of millions of people, and it's allowed on a daily basis.
It's encouraged.
It's encouraging.
Why don't people take issue with this, that people are trying to control your mind on a daily basis?
Well, a cult is made by a guy, and that guy knows it's a cult.
In a religion, that guy's dead.
That's the difference.
Religions are just cults that last longer.
And some of them prove to be worthwhile, social and economic and even moral structures.
They actually benefit society.
Some cults are based on rituals or things that people learned and they realize this is a better way to live their life.
But some of them are just based on the present moment of gathering the most amount of, whether it is influence, or finances or what power whatever the fuck it is that's
They go through these pitches, these ups and downs, and it's almost inevitable.
It's almost impossible for us with our human reward systems that are based on animal emotions and biology to manage millions and millions and millions of people all on one continent with money and the economy and the fucking environment.
It's almost impossible to do.
So it almost always slides into authoritarianism.
And the best way it slides into authoritarianism is to control the narrative.
But Joe, I've had this conversation with Ian a whole lot because Ian's the voice on our show who's always telling us to stop being so dark and try and bring people together.
But you look at the prosecutor in the Rittenhouse case.
And now conservatives are realizing, you know the old conservative line about like, oh, if you haven't done anything wrong, don't worry about getting arrested, you'll be fine?
That's not true.
I know, but conservatives are now realizing, wait a minute, when the government, the eye of Sauron has you in their sights, they're going to do whatever they can.
I'm just going to say my one sentence, which is conservers now realizing when the government, which is the eye of Sauron, has you in their sights, they're going to do whatever they can to break you.
And this is something that disproportionately hurts poor people.
And the left has been arguing about that for a long time, and they were right.
Well, there's something to say about what's happening right now.
Some people have called it the fourth turning.
You could feel it.
It's energetic.
You know something's happening.
You see the Titanic.
You see the iceberg.
You're like, holy cow, the ship is heading somewhere.
But at the end of the day, we could still decide where it goes.
And I think, to Joe's point, mushrooms, decentralization are ways to start the conversation.
But I think we should focus on that as well, because I think that's the true kind of opening that we should be really examining and looking into, because there is something to talk about with so much power and influence here.
I've heard you got to do a dieta, which is a 10-day fast It's the same thing it's dimethyltryptamine look it's good to have an empty stomach Yeah, but listen what you really need to do is just relax and let it happen.
Well, that's one of the biggest lessons when you do delve into psychedelics, is not to take yourself too seriously.
Let things go.
Let love and the positive energies kind of flow in a direction where you're not trying to control everything.
When you're trying to control everything, that's when things get nasty and disgusting, whether in relationships, whether in government, whether with religion.
Anytime you try to force something onto someone, shit gets bad.
I totally agree, but while we've got Joe here, let me just ask this one question of Joe.
I want to hear from Tim and everybody here, but this is my real question.
After all the suppression of free speech we've seen in the last 20 months, and after all the attacks on medical experts that were pointing certain things out that's now all been proven right, I mean, what does the power structure do now that it's committed seppuku, suicide?
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If you live in one place and you go to another place specifically for this reason, the prosecutors or the lawmakers or whoever is going to look at it very differently.
That being said, there are people who live in places like Buffalo and Detroit and Calexico who have enhanced IDs who are able to go back and forth as if it's not.
but but not too much shit But but Joe you got to understand during that summer police
officers stood back police officers Stand down don't do anything. Oh, it's not a clean. That
was a huge aspect to it And it's not, and I don't think it's the best case to argue, but I think this is the kind of pivotal point that a lot of people, especially the corporate media, are focusing on, because this is the argument that they want to make to disarm people.
We got secret Antifa documents five years ago where they, even in Democrat areas, are working with the police and the government and they have targets they're going to burn, things they're going to hit.
And my understanding, according to Robert, is the people who ran that car dealership called Kyle and several other people because that car dealership had been hit night after night.
So they were specifically called in to defend this location.
So Joe, to answer your question, People forget how bad summer 2020 was.
Like, I lived in the middle of Hollywood when it was all at its peak, and I had to evacuate my home and hide in the woods and stay there for like two weeks until it was somewhat safe to go back.
Listen, I showed up on night one in Kenosha, right?
And right when I showed up on the scene, they already had dumpster trucks on fire.
The reason why I decided to take an Uber from Chicago all the way to Kenosha was because on Twitter, they were already taking bricks to police officers' heads and knocking them unconscious.
So there was literally nothing peaceful.
It was never a peaceful protest from night one.
Mostly peaceful.
media doesn't want to talk about this. A mostly fiery peaceful protest, right? But it was, listen,
I always say this, Kenosha from night one was obviously a riot, but it was a crime scene for
three days straight. And here's why I say this. On the third night, when I returned back to Kenosha,
I was talking to some of the people on the ground, some of the people that had their businesses burned
down to the ground. When you were walking down the street, people had their windows boarded up.
They were writing things like, children live here.
You want to know why they were writing that?
Because there was a threat to the community.
There was an obvious threat to the community.
People thought that they were going to die, Alex.
People thought that they were going to die in Kenosha because of violent acts that were being committed by these criminals.
And they're trying to paint this picture that they were peaceful protesters.
At no point was Kenosha a peaceful protest on night one, night two, or night three.
But at the end of the day, they've got to find someone who could fill Joe Biden's shoes.
But if they decided to have Pete Buttigieg leapfrog over Kamala Harris, it's going to be wild.
Because the hardcore lefties are going to abandon each other.
It's going to get really wild, because the people that wanted her in there because of identity politics, and now have a point of argument, even whether or not they think she was good or not.
They think that she got in, they wanted her in, for whatever specific reasons, and now she's in, and you're going to have this guy leapfrog over her?
If that happens, if they think the only way they can win in 2024 is Pete Buttigieg, we're going to have wild... And see, I am kissing Joe's ass, because he's really politically smart, and he knew this 20 years ago, but he's doing it now.
In terms of, like, business, in terms of, like, real estate, all these different things that didn't deteriorate like they did in these other countries where they kept the same mortality rate.
You look at Florida's business.
Florida's business did very well in comparison to, like, California.
But California took a big hit.
The restaurants, even though they have the same sort of mortality rate, when you adjust for age, Florida did better.
And then when you look at business, Florida did way better.
I didn't get, like, money because I supported Trump.
I didn't think Trump was perfect.
I thought that he was... You got Pokemon dollars, right?
Exactly.
I thought he was more of a populist, better than, you know, what we were being offered.
And so, with Hillary Clinton, who I know is evil.
But now, I almost see Trump as destructive because he becomes the opposition to the Democrats, but he's got his own issues.
I wanted to be populist, not left or not right, but Americans coming together and saying no to Joe Biden, I know the Democratic Party lied about Russiagate and all
of it.
I don't think Trump's a bad guy, but I want to be clear.
At the end of the day, he went along with Warp Speed.
He went along with the experimental shot, and he's pigheaded, and he won't admit he
was wrong.
So I'm not going to criticize Biden and Pfizer for this and Fauci and then give Trump a pass.
And with Trump's base, I go to these big events with 5, 10, 20,000 people.
They're really upset.
And then Trump is so pigheaded that he is still going along with the vaccine.
But if someone, if, look, I've got, we've had so many people on the show who are like, one guy was in his 50s and he says, doctor recommended it.
He got it.
He's absolutely fine.
He feels great.
If you choose to do it, I don't care what you choose to do, I'm not going to pretend to be a doctor, I'm not going to pretend to know the secrets of the universe, but I will stand up and say, fuck the government, if they're going to tell you, you're obligated to get a permanent medical procedure, otherwise you can't work, you can't eat food, you can't go to the movies, you can't go to the bar.
So they negate this and they pretend that it's difficult to measure, but it's not difficult at all.
We do it at my studio all the time.
You do a very simple test for antibodies.
You can see it very clearly.
You do this test, you get a drop of blood and you see your immunity.
You find out that you have antibodies.
It's not hard.
If that's the case, That's just as good, not just as good.
Let's be kind and say it's as good, but it's not.
It's far better than you get if you got infected.
He got infected, he got COVID, he recovered.
So he has 6 to 13 times better immunity than someone who gets the vaccine, has like two weeks recovery from the vaccine, and now can go out into the world.
You walk and then you stumble through the leaves and you fall into the spikes.
Because right now they're saying, we are going to mandate three shots in the UK, Austria, France, and then what happens is you end up with Rand Paul, who I like the guy, but he says, why aren't we taking natural immunity into the case?
And I said, why are you in any way excusing mandates for medical procedures, whether it be a test or a shot?
If we're talking about natural immunity, we're talking about you going to a facility, taking time out of your day to get a medical test done if you want to buy food.
So everything you say, whether you're in for mandates, whether you're telling children they have to get it, whatever the fuck you're saying, as soon as you say your natural immunity from previous infection doesn't count, or you try to pretend that it's impossible to check when you can check in seconds.
If you vaccinate someone, they're not good for two weeks.
You can check their immunity in seconds.
I have a fucking video of my phone of me doing it.
The FDA put a letter out last week under a four-year lawsuit and they said no one that we've looked at over millions who had natural immunity has ever transmitted the virus but everyone that takes the vaccine can at the same level.
I think people just haven't reported whether or not they transmitted the virus.
It's not as simple.
It's like you have to like somehow or another they have to like Quantified, that you had the virus and then gave it to somebody else after you recovered it.
Someone who gets, this is exactly what they say, if you get the vaccine, you're, I think it's an order of magnitude less likely to get sick and it's less severe.
If you do get sick, you're equally likely to transfer the virus to someone else.
The elephant in the room, look at the border, okay?
Why is it, if the federal government is so concerned with COVID spreading in the United States of America, why is it that Americans have to go on lockdown?
Why is it that Americans have to receive these mandatory jab mandates?
But there are millions of people, since Biden has taken office, that have flooded over the United States southern border.
Not a single vaccine mandate has been issued to these people that are not even Americans.
You want to know what's pissing Americans off right now, whether left or right,
is that there are people that are coming from different countries freely over the southern border
without any jab mandates, but Americans are losing their lives.
First responders, medical examiners, people that are professionals,
people that have dedicated their lives, that are experts, that are now being put out on the street.
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They're Americans and that is what's bothering people right now.
This is what really, really annoys me about all this.
Drew just made a massive political point, and everybody keeps going back into the argument about, we should all sit under the mandates but discuss the science, when no one here knows what the fuck they're talking about.
What I do know is that a million plus people did cross the border with not a single mandate, but they are firing nurses, and then people argue I think you're right.
If you're coming legally, you have to have the COVID vaccine now.
And again, we understand this was never about your health.
This was always about your subjugation.
You look at what happened where they mandate this medical procedure, where they have the most strictest vaccine passports in England, in Israel, in Singapore.
You see the highest rises in cases.
Gibraltar, one of the most vaccinated places in the world per capita.
Vermont has the highest cases in America and it's the highest vaccine.
There are minefields before us where they pull you in their direction.
I've talked about how the conservatives, there's no real opposition to the left other than, like, the Democrats will come out and say, we want to ban assault rifles.
And the Republicans will say, no.
But where is the Republican leadership?
This is actually something you told me.
Where is the Republican leadership to come out and say, we want to abolish gun laws?
Everything is always, the establishment left is pulling us in this direction and the right is just saying, slow down there.
So this is why, you know, we had a conversation a while ago about science and Pfizer and all these pills and stuff, and I was like, yo, are we actually just arguing the degree to which we are going to live under the mandate?
If they're smart, what they would do is go back to straight news.
Straight, objective.
Just have all the ads you want.
Have all the ads you want.
But have objective, completely unbiased news.
If they did that, I think it would turn it around.
If we knew that everyone that was reading all the news, if we get to a point through all these independent social media applications and the distribution of information, when we know what they're saying is verified, we know it's true.
So they have to tell the truth.
If they just told the truth and give you a synopsis of what's happening in the world, they would actually make more money.
What is it like to not just be probably the most famous person, like a president right now in the world, but to have done it independently on your own?
That's a major sea change.
I celebrate that.
I'm blessed to know you.
You're a great guy.
What is it like to be at the epicenter of the zeitgeist?
Well, it's not that I got it in the middle of the zeitgeist.
It's this pandemic.
Expose the fragility of our society that so many people are willing to give up their freedom for this like bizarre fake security that doesn't exist like you're talking about the most the most unsecure thing ever a pandemic virus that's going through people and then a solution a medical solution that doesn't entirely work and everybody's like forcing you to get involved and take this and Ignore all risks, because they did, and they want you to be on their side.
It's madness.
And as soon as you see that kind of madness, if you don't say something, then you fall into tyranny.
And that's what the fuck is happening.
And whether or not people realize what they're doing, most of the people that are doing it are cowards.
Because if you stand up and you say, hey, I don't think you should vaccinate children, people are, AHH!
But you know, it's because they took the chance and they got vaccinated and they feel like you should have done that too because they realize there's a certain amount of risk involved and they got through it.
They're like, you fucking do it.
It's like, I jumped into the water from the cliff.
I know it's funny, but like, it's not the first rant I've ever had.
There's a video from our old studio where I'm like, they went to this dude's house in Wisconsin and were protesting in front of his house.
They had set fi- these same protesters had set fire to a house before.
And when the guy brandished a shotgun, the police came and arrested him from his own house.
And I was like, these people will come to your home, they will protest you, these activists obviously, and the police will kick in your door, and they will bash your teeth in, and then they're like, but the reason the left got mad was a reaction to the right.
My perspective is that the police are going to have to start making some serious decisions soon.
Because if they're not going to side with their constitutional oaths, they are literally betraying the American people.
So I think when police are getting into that type of territory, they're going to start
enforcing a police state.
So I think right now where we are with the advent of Marxism, cultural Marxism, becoming
mainstream, I think the excuse when police come out and say, I'm just doing my job is
what the Nazis said.
So I think right now that is a crime against humanity.
And I think when police aren't having the will to say, you know what, I'm not going
I'm going to continue to do my job.
I think they're going to have to make that decision.
But if they do do that, if they decide not to and pull out of it, I think that that's something they need to consider before they become police officers.
Because if you're going to take a job like that, you're going to have to be prepared to make a decision whether I'm going to obey unconstitutional or illegal edicts or mandates, or I am going to resign.
Given that all gun laws are unconstitutional and violate the Second Amendment, what do you think of police officers that arrest people who have guns that might be in violation of the Second Amendment who are otherwise peaceful people?
I just think that police, I think the biggest issue right now with police officers, and I've talked to many of them, I've had conversations with them, I think a lot of them are really, like, illiterate to the law itself.
Not all of them, but every time you talk to one of them, like, they're really not sure how they're enforcing the law correctly.
Like, they're not even aware of some of the laws themselves.
That they're just going to have to, you're just going to shrug your shoulders?
They're just going to have to make a decision.
So if a cop arrests someone who has a handgun, illegally, who's not hurting anybody, or has some kind of red flag thing, what do you think of that police officer who puts that person in jail?
The human being... His name is Officer John... You're asking the same question over and over again.
Officer John Smith... Well, you're not answering it.
You're also not... Hold on, let me phrase the question.
There was a woman, I tell this story all the time, who was from Pennsylvania, with a legal gun, and drove into New Jersey, and we'll give the cop a name, Officer John Smith, pulled her over, and he said, you know, your taillight's out or whatever, and he said, do you have a weapon on you?
She said, yes, I do.
And he says, oh, okay.
She politely informed him, but in New Jersey, you can't have it.
So he took her out, he cuffed her, and they tried putting her in prison for four years.
Well, I was just going to make a correction and say Michael probably thinks there are none, but good meaning cops, a lot of them are leaving because of the VACs.
Well, that actually was the case in America in the colonial period, and if you look it up, I have an article in the Observer that says Must Pack Heat, arguing for using Obamacare as a mechanism to mandate gun ownership.
The point being, if I disagree with you about classifying something as indentured servitude... If they made you join an anarchist collective to have a gun and you willfully joined it as part of a membership... This has nothing to do with anarchism.
My favorite thing about all of this was I was like... We end up... The show started with us having Blair to come on, and then, you know, Alex was like... Then you all hijacked me.
We hijacked it, but the best part was the very end when everyone's like, have you asked Joe?
And I'm like, he's busy.
And then Joe's like, yeah, yeah, I could probably come in.
Where are y'all at?
And I'm like, we're in a trailer on the side of the road.
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And so he's like... It's a very nice trailer, though.
So I flew to LA and once I landed he messaged me like, bro, I'm really sorry to do this to you, I can't have you on the
show.
Something came up and I went, ah, I just flew out to California.
And so I made the best of it.
There were some protests I covered.
A year later, same thing happened.
Somebody tweets at Joe, like, how come you never had Tim Pool on your show and now it's 2012?
And he was like, yo, we tried to make it happen.
It didn't happen.
Tim, what do you say?
Come on the show.
And I was like, let's do it.
This time, I was like, I want to make sure we confirm this.
Because he gave me the details before.
I'm like, give me the details.
Give me the time.
Give me everything.
And he does.
And so I get on a plane.
I paid for it myself, because I'm young and naive.
And I fly to California.
And then he says, bro.
I'm so sorry to do this to you.
I can't have you on the show.
Some things come up and I was just like all right now I'm really mad and I was like dude are you kidding me it's like a year later you did the same thing and I thought to myself I was like look I'm obviously mad about it but Joe doesn't owe me any favors me going on his show would be really great for me so I was just like That's the story.
And then what ended up happening, I was like, I'm just not gonna, I'm not gonna be mad about it because he doesn't owe me anything.
And I'm just gonna, I'm gonna focus on my thing.
I'm not gonna beg him.
I'm not gonna ask him.
And I just went about my business.
And then a couple of years later, Joe just messaged me and he was like, bro, I just want to let you know, like, I am really sorry about, you know, having canceled on you like that.
A few times, I don't remember with me, Joe and Joey Diaz.
I just remember like...
Actually you get Joe on next time he'll tell you but I mean I remember like two days later because I was not a big you know two days later like not knowing where we'd been and like in Vegas with him because he'd like I went up saw some of the fights in Vegas other places with Joey vibing at me taking his great guy and so I remember like Okay, we're at ESPN and we're on air.
Because now we go out, he might drink like two beers.
and you guys in great shape everything but I remember like I mean like like two days up with him and he wasn't on any drop of amphetamines it was all just Joe's energy and we're like drinking like 20 shots at like 4 a.m up for two days and like taking edibles all right I mean this dude's like a thoroughbred I mean a thoroughbred man that's why he takes the horse paste yeah so no but Joey Diaz wants like we're sitting there's always like Eat these!
So I asked Joe, and I don't know if he gave us a robust answer.
He gave it a little bit.
You know, from the time I went on and we talked with Twitter, even before that, to where he is now, how his view has changed, I think it's fair to say, you can see in Joe a big change.
So that first interview he did with Jack Dorsey was back in 2018, I guess.
He was just like, let Jack say his thing and say whatever he wanted, and then he got heavily thumbs down for it.
We do our show, here we are today, and he's saying they're censoring, it's coming from the left, and that's definitive, he's seen it.
I think there's two things here.
For one, Joe really started to understand and see what was going on as things got worse, but it's also that things are getting worse.
I want to make sure I preface that by saying, freedom-loving individuals, liberty-minded individuals are winning many battles across the board, but in the censorship stuff, as this becomes the new corporate press, it is getting worse, and I mean, I think the reality is we're not long for this world, you know?
Everyone's like, you know, I see the comments like, wow, Tim, you really pulled this thing together, and I'm like, yeah, but...
There will come a time.
The cliffs are eroding, and over time, they are homogenizing what YouTube is, and they want it to be that mainstream narrative.
But let me just say this one thing, because I don't bullshit when it comes to things like this.
Tim was a turning point for Joe, and I'm not going to get into our private phone calls and things, because Joe wanted to believe in the system and wanted to believe there were good guys and bad guys, and when he, remember him, I'm not going to tell the whole story, but he called up and he goes, you see what happened with Tim Bouldin, and I said, yeah, I heard about it, thank you, and he goes, well it's true.
Joe already had all that understanding, but as soon as So it's true, Tim, that you're like the vampire that bit Joe Rogan.
Where you should sign up and become a member for our special members-only segments because I realized this a long time ago, but didn't really have the skills, the experience, but the beginning of this year I was like, if we don't have our own website, yeah, we could get plucked right out and thrown in the trash.
But there's one factor you guys both missed, which is there's a big difference when you watch the news and you see that they're lying about you personally.
If Joe had his podcast, him bro-ing out, talking to fighters, talking to comedians, just hanging out.
Hold on, Al, you've experienced this for a long time.
You turn on the news and it's something that you have personal knowledge about and you see people you've never met explicitly lying about you and lies that are easily verified to be lies.
That's when you realize, wait a minute, something is up and it's happened to you as well, obviously.
But Tim, I rewatched that the other day, actually recently, you know, and what I found interesting was how, the point you made, how they kept saying, we do this to protect people because if there's a threat to somebody's life through social media, we take action on it, right?
And the reason why I thought that was interesting is because, like, even as of recently, after I testified in the trial, I started getting death threats on Instagram, on Twitter, all this stuff, and what was crazy on Instagram was, I actually took a screenshot.
Of someone issuing me a death threat, I posted it, and my account took the hit.
So one of the points that I brought up to Jack and Vijay on that show was they said, you know, we're trying to protect people.
There's high suicide rates.
And I said, what about people with like body dysmorphia where they cut their hands off?
You know, these people exist.
Are you going to create special rules for these groups?
I think the fascinating thing about that moment, and it comes up a lot, I guess, because for me, it was just a moment I was there and I was having a typical argument I would normally have with anybody.
But I guess a lot of people didn't realize this stuff.
Yeah, they bled out.
didn't realize, Vagia and Jack didn't realize when they were entering this, they thought
they were going to be getting your run of the mill conservative, they were going to
be like, why'd you ban Milo, why'd you ban Alex, instead of more like philosophical and
like liberty-minded questions and like fairness and...
Because it was one of the very few, maybe even the only instance where you have someone who's on CNN every day lying and you have someone actually confronting them to their face and then you go back to watch CNN afterwards and they completely edit out that interaction.
They completely frame it as him somehow convincing Joe Rogan to be pro-vaccine.
You ever see those commercials where it's like, ask your doctor if Lobestro is right for you?
And it's like, even those commercials wouldn't tell you what the drug was, but they would always tell you to like, just take it amongst yourself for private consultation.
Now they're outright like, children, here's a medication made just for you!
I knew all this and literally Saturday My four-year-old goes, give me the controller, and I'm sitting around the phone doing stuff, literally like cooking a steak on the grill in my living room.
They're trying to get the... So basically what happens is you go to school, and the teachers teach you to be docile and submissive, and then this is basically the homework, in a sense, that this carries on the lessons you're being taught in the school by the entire cathedral.
What Alex talked about, which again, we're trying to be a family-friendly show, but I think that's out the window somehow, has happened throughout recorded human history.
I mean, well, yeah, to be honest, but we have people talking about your kids and the things that, you know, the atrocities committed against children, but the manipulation.
We have people who keep saying that they won't stand up, they won't defend themselves because they have kids to feed.
And I think it's just a remarkable precedent to see that a whole year of complying has resulted in food shortages and inflation, labor shortages, port closures, and all of these people who are like, I will not stand up for freedom in my rights because I want to make sure there's food on the table.
This is food security for my children, and now their children are more at risk for it.
I think when you look at how many states are controlled by, I don't want to say Republicans, but it is people who are in the Republican Party.
I will point out, to be fair, in New Hampshire, the Free Staters are all running as Republicans, and they're doing amazing work in restoring liberties and rights and freedoms.
So here's what I think.
I think we're actually on a great path.
And if you look at how many, you look at the recent elections with Pennsylvania and New Jersey and Virginia, Man, the Cathedral seems to be losing a lot of power.
They seem to be in a full-on panic mode.
You look at what happened at the FBI and James O'Keefe, and that was the act of pure desperation.
It was such an egregious violation that even the ACLU and, you know, the free press or whatever comes out and they're like, we have to defend James O'Keefe because that went overboard.
But the FBI was so panicked, so scared, so desperate, they made this pathetic move.
I mean, change is gonna happen when people take personal responsibility for themselves.
When they start taking their own lives- Well, you gotta talk straight into the mic.
Yeah, it's just hard, because it keeps locking my face here.
But when people start taking their own lives into their own hands, and start making decisions for their families, for their communities, for their neighborhoods on a local level, that's when things will change dramatically, and they can change- It's always best.
And the other thing is, the mob that's going to happen, what's going to save America, is when this happens with regards to education.
As the money goes to funding students instead of funding systems, and you get kids out of government schools, which are literal prisons for children, and the only place many people experience violence in their lifetimes, the cathedral is ruined.
Because all you need is 10% of the population to realize that this is all a lie.
The blue ones, as they're now expanding, are ordered, they must give you a concealed carry if you apply.
You can see here, this is, I think, this is Vermont, right?
That's unrestricted.
Alaska, unrestricted.
Now, starting around the mid-2000s, the late 2000s, we start seeing the rise.
Okay, 2010.
Constitutional carry starts.
States are now enforcing, enacting laws that say you don't need a permit, you don't need to apply, the Constitution says you have a right to keep and bear arms.
Texas just got this.
This is crazy.
Texas actually had to take an exam and a handgun license.
I think the chart is also going to be the same way when it comes to homeschooling because we're seeing this huge rise of people saying this indoctrination center, this Rockefeller-created education center is something that's destroying my child's flame.
My child's life is being destroyed by this indoctrination, by this hate.
And here's the thing, Alex, it doesn't matter where a parent stands politically, you go on TikTok and you see these educational professionals running their mouths, you're gonna think, I don't know what this is, but I don't want this person near my kid.
There's a university professor today making Pedophilia!
I wasn't going to say that, but now we're saying it.
He was making excuses for pedophilia as a university professor in sociology, making a video publicly, not afraid to say, hey, pedophiles are just, you know, minor attracted persons.
No, they're not.
They're pedophiles.
They need to be called out for what they are.
And trying to normalize this culturally is having a huge backlash.
And they've been doing this in Loudoun County, but they've been doing this in counties all throughout the United States.
I think it should be apparent to people why we, on our show, are less likely to get censored.
A lot of people are just like, I don't understand how, you know, Tim isn't getting shadowbanned as often, we sometimes do, and they're like, my show gets taken down and I said these things, and it's like, You know, sometimes we have guests on the show who just yell, child rape out.
Normally we don't do that.
We tell people, like, be careful because the idea is what's important, not the language.
And it's true that we have people who watch with their kids and they ask us not to do that.
So today's episode was off the rails with all the swearing and everything.
It started when I got an email and someone was like, hey, I drive in the car and listen to your podcast.
If you were more family friendly, you know, it'd be more palatable.
I'm like, oh, that makes sense.
But then we get a lot of people and it's very obvious how, I'm just gonna come out right and say it, y'all are abrasive, very abrasive and very hard for regular people to get into when you scream these extreme things that people don't get.
When Joe told you that you have the, I guess, what did he say?
It's like, you know stuff.
So when you come out and say it and people don't know it, It comes, like, you're sort of blinded by what you know and what people don't.
So when we're talking about stuff, and I think this comes from, you know, I'd worked in non-profits and marketing and fundraising.
If you want someone to, like, have a conversation and engage, and you want to make sure the ideas persist and they understand, yelling something like child rape is a guaranteed way to make sure they shut down, don't listen.
Let me read it for no contest to support a legal issue.
So when you plead no contest, like Spiro Agnew did, I believe, the former vice president, it's a plea in which the defendant in a criminal prosecution accepts conviction as though a guilty plea has been entered, but does not admit guilt.
Perverts take advantage of... No, but nobody... It was a weird thing, because I read the story, and I don't think the perpetrator even claimed to be trans.
Because once it was a narrative that it was a trans person, then they have the incentive to protect their ideology and they're not going to admit that.
Well, the district also had a policy that they were going to present and punch in, I think, for the unisex bathrooms and the teachers were going to be required to address the students based off their own preferred pronouns.
They literally shoved this girl under the rug that was violated for the sake of a policy because they didn't want it to come out that this might be a bad idea.
Honestly, I think this is what... We're talking about why things are changing.
I mean, I don't think anybody's politics is really gonna...
Like control how people view their children and what I mean by that is your children are everything to you And if we can't get behind protecting children and we put politics and policy over children I think we have some serious problems.
This is why things are changing and Loudoun County right and they're also insulting people they literally said
the reason why Democrats lost in Latin in in this state was because it was
a white lash this was the narrative they're insulting all these people when
if it was a white lash please tell me how the first black Republican lieutenant
governor got elected nothing to do with law it's nothing to do with law
I think we need a national free state kind of thing.
We need people at the local level to start voting only for their local candidates who agree with certain principles of freedom, liberty, individual responsibility.
My rights are not up for discussion, let alone a vote.
And Luke, the reason I was disagreeing with you is... Stop getting so mad, Malice.
I am mad because there's a war in our minds.
What I was disagreeing with you about, Luke, is New Hampshire is a self-sufficient population.
It's a very small population.
You can't replicate the Free State Project on a nationwide level because there's a huge percent of the population, as you agree with, who do not share our values.
I disagree, because if you look at just autonomy, I don't care if it's a bunch of communists wanting to live in the woods.
We have examples of this with the Amish.
The Amish are living by their own set of rules, without government, without mandates, without vaccine mandates, and they're doing a lot better than a lot of other people.
So if the Amish...
No, it's not true.
They are dealing with COVID, but they haven't had a significant... Cheryl Atkinsons did a great documentary about this.
It's on our YouTube channel.
It's great.
They are dealing with COVID.
You guys are both right.
It's much lower.
They don't have a huge death rate like many people expect it to, even though they have policies where they literally drink from the same cup, they have religious ceremonies, and everyone said the Amish are going to die, the Amish are going to have a huge extinction event.
That didn't happen.
Their death rate has stayed the same with COVID, comparatively to the rest of the population.
So that's a big thing.
Cheryl Atkinson's documentary is really huge here, and if the Amish could do it, the Free State Project could do it, and that's victory in itself.
That's victory when people say, hey, I just want to have my own kind of life, my own rules, my own autonomy.
The point is, Tim and Alex were asking how do we replicate this nationwide and all I'm saying is you can't replicate the Free State Project nationwide because there's not enough people to make that happen democratically.
We were just talking about how... Who was mentioning this?
The primaries basically dictate how all the elections are being run.
Were we talking about this?
I don't think we were.
But the idea is that you get a small amount of people who will vote for a Democrat and then independents basically don't participate in primaries.
So they enter the election and they're like, what are my choices?
Whatever the Democrat 10% and the Republican 10% voted for.
What happens if you get a free state project of, you got a state with a million people, or you got a jurisdiction of a million people, and 100,000 are liberty-minded people who are brought together, and they all say, we are all going to vote in the Republican primary for this libertarian, and then the independent moderates have no choice but to vote for our guy.
There's an enormous asymmetry because when you have those two candidates, whoever that libertarian candidate is, will be demonized by the corporate press.
They write an article explaining about the shadow campaign to save the election.
They talk about mail-in voting and how it gave them massive advantages over Republicans, and then you end up with this large populist movement spinning in circles about things they haven't proven in a year.
And then, instead of getting their ground game going and countering the changes to election law, they're going around screaming at each other about... So, if we're engaged, Tim, in a reset war, I'm trying to get people to realize... Is there a website for that, Alex?
You know, I was like, hey, we're into a really, really crazy show.
Navigate the minefields to the best of your abilities so they don't, you know, chop the tree down before it has a chance to bear fruit.
And I will say free state-like ideas, it's not perfect, but I think New Hampshire is doing something very, very powerful and positive.
And I gotta tell you, if we're gonna have any victories, like what New Hampshire is doing, is very interesting, and it can be done in other states, a small minority of politically active individuals can over... Like, look at the Mises Caucus.
And then what happens is, you may be in the minority, but most people will just vote for one or the other, and if you're the alternative to the corrupt machine where people are ready to vote for a ham sandwich, you're there.
Here's what I want to say.
So, right now, one of the things that bothers me the most, we had Steve Bannon on this show, and I think he's a very smart guy, and we did a members-only segment where we talked about fraud, and he's adamant in his belief, and I said, take a look at universal mail-in voting.
This is why I believe there is no fraud, and I believe it's a red herring that has manipulated the populists into totally losing their standing and grounding and their ability to win these battles.
Because you have, in a Democrat city, one... Look at New York.
You get one housing complex with 500 units.
They all get five universal mail-in ballots for the five people who live there.
Mom, Dad, and their 2.5 kids.
The Democrat sends one activist to go door-to-door and hits 500 families, times five votes each, and they can do that in a couple days, just knocking on doors as they make their way up, and they say this.
Did you vote yet?
Your ballot is right there.
Fill it out.
I'll wait.
Republicans have to go to rural areas where they drive through suburbs and they can hit five houses on one block and they can get ten houses in a day.
Republicans should focus on the rule changes that heavily advantage urban dense centers.
The Republicans should focus on the rule changes that disadvantaged Republicans.
Instead, what are we getting?
Trump's movement, the populists, are right now They're talking about Venezuela and China and gun battles in Germany, and I'm like, they shut them down with the conspiracy fraud stuff.
And now, because Donald Trump won in 2016 with 77,000 votes across three states.
Sure, he did really well in the electoral college, but it was 77,000 votes across three states.
And so they said, if we can throw the populist movement off base with something that won't have an impact on us, we won't lose again.
And they did it.
A year before the 2020 election, the Republicans in Pennsylvania changed the law to introduce universal mail-in voting.
We talked with Sean Parnell about this.
He sued about this.
They said, at first, we're going to create universal mail-in voting.
Uh-oh, our Constitution forbids it.
And they stopped because they needed a constitutional amendment to enact it.
They stopped and said, OK, what do we do?
Let's change the word to mail-in instead of absentee and pass it anyway.
And when Sean Parnell and others sued over this because it was an unconstitutional change, a lower court judge said, on the merits, you will likely win.
It went to a higher court who said, not on the merits, just for standing or for, it's too late, I forgot what the Latin word for too late is, they said, we're not even going to take the case.
So we see an article that in Time Magazine, the shadow campaign to win, to save the election, and they explain exactly what they did.
We changed all the rules to heavily advantage dense urban centers, and then Republicans got, not Republicans, but the populists, got wrapped up in a fraud narrative that stopped them from- There's a whole book about this.
Alex, I think being happy, healthy and prepared for whatever comes next is the solution, is the real resistance.
And there's going to be a lot of turmoil, especially economically, hitting this country.
As soon as COVID happened, I was like, this is not going to be about COVID.
This is going to be about the economy.
And we're seeing the start of this.
This is only the beginning of this.
And I think we're really headed for hard times.
And I think the way to resist this is by having family, is by having a network, is by having a cohesive group together that is ready for whatever happens.
If you're unprepared, you're weighing down your family, you're weighing down your neighborhood, you're weighing down your community.
So right now, more than ever, smarten up.
Look at the situation that's happening in front of you and make sure that you are ready for whatever's to come because it's going to be a very bumpy ride.
How do you bring about the equity they have said they want to bring about?
It's simple.
Knock everyone to zero, and then there's no systemic inequality, and everyone is now destitute and poor, and then when you start over, everyone will be the same, or so they believe.
If you wanted to run an actual communist system, you'd knock everyone to zero and then let their own instincts bring it back up, but they're not going to do that.
Well, see, what would happen is there are some people of skill and merit who will naturally rise to the top, and there are some people who won't.
And so there's this belief among the postmodernists, the blank slayers and all that stuff, that you strip everyone of what they own, take away everything they own, and make them all worth nothing, and then when they start over everyone will be equal.
But you know what's going to happen?
Uh-oh, the tall grass will start growing again.
And as we know, the communists will decide you have to cut the tall grass.
And they'll keep having to mow the lawn to deal with the fact that some people are better than others.
And I don't mean, like, I mean quite literally in terms of skill, in terms of passion.
And then you learn, oh I'm better at this, let me provide this to the man or woman that's better than me at this, and then we have a symbiotic relationship.
So what ends up happening then is the guy who's better than Michael at baking cakes, bakes the cakes.
Because why would Michael if someone else can do it better?
And then all of a sudden we have a society with really awesome cake, we have great basketball players, we have great scientists, we have amazing and talented politicians who clearly... I'm kidding about that last one.
But then people can say, you know, whoever is really good at this task can help provide that task.
That's basically what we do.
The postmodernists, neomarxists, communists, whatever, this ideology, this cult religion, they don't believe that exists.
So, what'll happen?
Well, they'll have to purge anyone who proves it doesn't exist.
And if they're not, say there's like a horrible reset where like an asteroid hit the earth and wiped out the population and they came- grew back like 13,000 years ago.
You see warlords.
You see the people that are the best at and got there first taking power, not necessarily good.
It's never been a perfect system, it's an imperfect system.
Tyranny is not a conspiracy theory, and I think people need to understand that.
You're either going to learn through wisdom, or you're going to learn through experience.
We could sit here and warn the world with absolute truth, day in, day out, every single night, giving them the best coherent arguments as to why they shouldn't follow these dangerous ideologies.
It's not until they actually feel it, experience it, will they actually wake up.
And I'm not talking about the people that are watching that are awake to this stuff.
I'm talking about the people that actually believe what's being told to them on CNN and all these propagandas.
But I greatly respect and appreciate all the Super Chats that are saying, you know, FJB, and we love the show, and things like that.
I mean it, I mean it.
YouTube deleted a lot of them, but I want to try and find the core questions that we can ask to kind of, you know, keep this conversation at a good level, and we have one right here from Hoosier Films is malice. How do we go from the Constitution
is garbage and boomer
to the freedom will come through gun rights laws?
How exactly will those get done legally without current 2A?
And one more thing, everyone's stupid Facebook friend for a long time up till 2020 was talking about, look at Australia, they gave up their guns and now they don't have crime.
You're full of it.
Look at Australia.
And now I'm going to tell your Facebook friends, yeah, look at Australia.
The CDC has put out 65 studies saying masks do reduce transmission to varying degrees and the numbers vary wildly depending on what people think the efficacy is.
But ultimately there's a challenge of private businesses can say we want you to wear a mask the same as they say we want you to wear a shirt and it's not the end of the world for me to walk into a store put on a mask walk off take it walk out take it off it is however when the business says you can't enter unless you undergo an irreversible medical procedure that's very very different Medical IDs and the vaccine passport is the key to the carbon tax and the social credit score.
There are a lot of really funny joke questions that I would love to read, but I really am trying to find... Read them all!
No, I want to find the good questions about what's going on and what we can talk about that's actually, you know... Spark a conversation.
Well, a lot of people are asking Blair to do something with Tom McDonald, and considering there were many of those I've seen so far... Blair did a whole music video, what else do they want?
appreciate it But I'm going through, just looking for... As Tim's going through this, and as Tim's going to find a good one, I just want to thank Tim for setting this up.
This is incredible.
I seriously can't thank you enough.
I think this was one of the most epic podcasts ever.
yeah and this is the hard thing because that's why Joe was like hey I'll see you tomorrow
like I'm gonna go on Joe's show and I'm I'm like sweating bullets cuz I'm like
if the verdict comes in and I'm on his show and we're doing like this not
So we're here in the mobile studio.
I've got news I got this I got the verdict that the trial playing in real time I'm sitting here doing my work cuz I'm like wired into the matrix dance with who brung you you're gonna do a show Oh, no, of course, of course.
I'm just saying I'll be on his show constantly wondering Like, I'm gonna walk out of the cave and look at the sun and see my phone.
Can I say, I had Robert Barnes again, he's on my show, you're welcome, this week and we had an hour of him breaking down the case and he really went into detail because I hadn't been following the case and he really educated me.
I hope that he becomes the next... I asked Robert about that and it's very, very hard to prove damages because if your damages are a trial, it's not the same as like, I lost a job or I got defamed.
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So that's actually not a likely... Unless you're Alex Jones, then you get a default judgment.
The point being that what are presented as the strongest arguments against anarchism are inevitably descriptions of the status quo, right?
So if your concern is that we have what we have now, then it's a wash.
My point being, when you have decentralization and you have competition, especially in the military context, you would have these roaming coalitions where sometimes you'd have the NATO thing, sometimes you'd have the Iraq war, and so on and so forth.
There's no reason for it to be systematized into one monopoly because monopolies are inherently inefficient and a function of government.
What we do every night is after the main show, live, and let's be real, we are careful about sometimes what you do.
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