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Timcast IRL - Prosecutors Engage in GROSS Misconduct, Judge Threatens Mistrial w/Jack Murphy
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tim pool
Today was one of the craziest days in the trial of Kyle Rittenhouse, and I didn't think
It could get any crazier.
When the state brought in Gage Grosskreutz, who testified that he was only fired upon when he pointed a weapon at Kyle Rittenhouse, I thought it was just, this is too nuts!
Today, the defense filed a motion for a mistrial with prejudice, meaning that the prosecution has committed misconduct or error to such a degree, there can't be a fair trial, and because of this, they should not be allowed to retry Kyle Rittenhouse.
The judge actually said, I will take the motion under advisement, yelled at the prosecutor on more than one occasion, legit, literally yelled at him, and said, if one more thing happens, So here's what we might see.
We probably won't, but there's people speculating about a directed verdict in which the judge could just say, as a matter of law, Kyle Rittenhouse is not guilty.
I'm not convinced that'll happen, but hey, I'm not a lawyer, I have no idea.
The other thing that could happen is that the defense could come in in the morning with a full motion filed for a mistrial with prejudice, and this was over specifically the prosecutors bringing up evidence the judge had ruled would not be allowed And the prosecution questioned Kyle Rittenhouse because of his right to remain silent.
It was such an egregious violation, the judge called it a grave constitutional violation, and actually yelled at the prosecutor saying it's a matter- I mean, he's yelling.
unidentified
A matter of basic law for 50 years!
tim pool
Crazy.
We gotta talk about all this.
We also have Anna Kasparian of the Young Turks admitting she was wrong.
Much respect to Anna for that because we just need people to watch the trial to understand.
We got the breakdown from the New York Times over all their bullet points.
I imagine we'll be arguing with them because the media has been, it's all been malpractice in the media as we can expect.
And then we got Jimmy Kimmel saying that Kamala Harris' historically low approval rating is due to racism and sexism.
Go figure.
And we got some information about Alec Baldwin.
Apparently, on set, one witness says the scene did not call for him to draw a weapon and point it at anybody.
So there's a lot of questions about that we'll get into.
Of course, we're hanging out with Mr. Jack Murphy.
jack murphy
Good to be back, guys.
I missed last time, but I'm happy to be here.
Happy to see everybody's doing well.
Luke, I'm even happy to see you.
unidentified
Wow.
jack murphy
Thank you.
I'm Jack.
You can find me at Jack Murphy Live or come to Jack Brunch, jackbrunch.com.
We just had an awesome event in Austin.
Anybody I know going to Austin?
We're going to Austin.
tim pool
You're going to Austin?
We're flying out on Saturday, 5.30am.
We gotta get up.
jack murphy
Fantastic.
Austin, beautiful town.
We had almost 90 people out at brunch.
It was a great time.
We're going to be in San Francisco area.
Not in that liberal hellhole vax mandate.
Nope, we're going across the river or the bay to Sausalito.
ian crossland
Oh, I was just thinking about Sausalito.
jack murphy
So come on down, jackbrunch.com.
tim pool
Very nice.
luke rudkowski
Jack, where's your 10-piece suit?
unidentified
10-piece suit?
luke rudkowski
You know, I like to dress up for us, and I'm kind of disappointed.
jack murphy
Well, I wanted to match you in your, what should we call this, your casual wear?
luke rudkowski
Well, today I am wearing another We Are Change exclusive t-shirt, pretty much depicting the weapons used in World War I, World War II, and currently our World War III, or as some people are saying, Fourth or Fifth Generational Warfare.
And it's a shirt that you can get exclusively on TheBestPoliticalShirts.com, and because you do, I'm here, so thanks for having me.
ian crossland
It's a camera loaded with cash.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, that's pretty much the modern day machine gun.
ian crossland
Dude, an hour ago, I was taking a shower thinking about Sausalito, thinking if you're ever going to go to San Francisco, just go to Sausalito and get a view of San Francisco across the bay.
That's awesome.
You guys are having Jack Brunch there.
jack murphy
Jackbrunch.com.
Come on down.
Yeah, you should come.
You know when you should come?
You should come to one in D.C.
on February 27th.
ian crossland
As long as that works with our schedule, because we'll be traveling a lot the next couple of months, the next six months.
But I'm 100 percent if we're in town, I'm going to that.
jack murphy
Oh, goodness.
lydia smith
Yes, I am excited at the prospect of this brunch.
I do like Luke's shirt, that's very thought-provoking, and I wanted to say that I hope that you guys are all keeping the witnesses for this trial in your thoughts, as we know people who are going on the stand, and it is very stressful, so keep them in your thoughts and prayers.
All right, I think we're ready to go.
tim pool
No, you guys keep talking, because I'm trying to pull up the email.
unidentified
What are we pulling up over there?
I'm talking about snakes and frogs, if you guys want to talk about that.
jack murphy
I think it is really remarkable that guys that we know, people we talk to, people we hang out with, our colleagues and friends are in the middle of this amazing trial, which is having such an impact and could have even more of an impact, not only on Kyle's life, but on the nation at large.
lydia smith
I was listening to Crowder earlier today and he's 100% right when he talks about how this trial could be any one of us.
It could be any conservative, anybody who decided that they needed to try to defend themselves, which is terrifying.
I'm genuinely concerned about what happens with this case, so I'm excited to get into it.
jack murphy
You know, I do wonder, like, how nationally prevalent is the case?
Like I asked my kids about it, and they're like, yeah, we're not even talking about it in school or anything.
ian crossland
But you would think it's a guy who felt like he needed to protect and defend his city, or like one of his like hometown cities.
Like that's a that's a very American.
tim pool
I found the email, so we'll get into all of this.
jack murphy
Oh, there we go.
We killed the time.
unidentified
Good.
tim pool
Killed the time.
ian crossland
Thanks everybody.
tim pool
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I'm like, I'm like yelling into the camera.
Check this out from TimCast.com.
Prosecution reprimanded by judge for, quote, grave constitutional violation during cross-examination of Rittenhouse.
Judge Schroeder also dressed down the prosecution for attempting to bring in evidence that he banned from admission.
This is where it gets crazy.
In the trial, I'll give you the gist real quick.
The prosecution said, evidence that occurred, you call it evidence, I don't know, an event that occurred four months after the night in question is not admissible because it has nothing to do with him defending himself.
And so they were like, okay.
The prosecutors started bringing it up anyway, and the judge got mad angry, he got pissed.
But the craziest moment was when the prosecution asked Kyle Rittenhouse, why haven't you told this story before until tonight?
And then he says, you waited until everyone testified so you could tailor your testimony, and then it was boom, objection, the judge goes off.
He's like, what do you think you're doing?
You can't do this.
You can't question someone as to their right to remain silent.
You know this.
He's like, you're an experienced trial prosecutor.
When the second violation came up, he snapped.
unidentified
He's like, I can't believe, I was astonished that you would dare bring up something like that.
tim pool
It's a matter of basic law for 40, 50 years.
And then the prosecutor's like, you know, when it came to the question of the evidence he was bringing in, the prosecutor's like, you open the door, your honor.
And he's like, for me, not for you.
Don't you get brazen with me.
I was shocked.
And here's where it gets really crazy.
I didn't think it was going to happen.
The defense said that if this persisted, they would file a motion for a mistrial with prejudice, meaning that the prosecutors erred or attempted to break the rules to prejudice the jury against Rittenhouse to such a degree he would never have a fair trial and that the judge would have to dismiss with prejudice, meaning they could never file these same charges again.
Surprisingly, When they put Kyle in the stand, he starts crying, he's breaking down.
When they come back, the craziest thing, the defense actually files the motion asking a judge for a mistrial with prejudice.
This is when the judge starts getting into it with the prosecutor.
He says, I will take the motion under advisement, and then essentially says if there's one more violation to the prosecutor.
So people are speculating now saying what might happen is that the judge, and the judge has actually said this, something to this effect, he doesn't want there to be a circumstance in which he intervenes and shuts down the court proceedings.
He wants the jury to be able to come to their findings.
But there's speculation, and I don't know how valuable the speculation is, that there could be a directed verdict, meaning that as a matter of law, the charges against Kyle Rittenhouse Are impossible to get.
When you had Kyle Rittenhouse, according to the state's witnesses, himself, and everyone else, he was yelling, friendly, and fleeing the scene.
You can't get intentional homicide on that.
But the judge didn't rule it, and people are saying maybe he wants to see if the jury will rule correctly.
He might intervene after the fact.
You can tell I'm really amped about this.
jack murphy
Totally.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack murphy
I thought I was listening to your segment on 2x on the way up here, man.
You were you were hyped.
You know, one of the things I keep thinking about and I've seen some other people ask about it is this court case is being televised and it's clear that the judge is at least neutral.
If not, I don't know.
He seems he's at least neutral, right?
He's not biased.
He's not clearly got a left-wing bias.
How many times across the nation, over and over and over again, are prosecutors doing these things that are unconstitutional and getting away with it?
And even just having the judge basically on their side as a way to put people away that they think are political, you know, sort of on the other side of the political spectrum.
I'm sure from what I've heard from Julie Kelly and other people covering the January 6th stuff, that if the judge, this judge here, the Rittenhouse judge was there in D.C.
or wherever they're trying these January 6th stuff, That it would be going a lot differently.
Oh yeah.
It brings up, you know, the idea of like maybe every single court case should be televised so that we can see every single thing that's going on so that these people can be watched.
It's kind of scary to me to think that people, that guy, an experienced prosecutor who clearly knows about the Constitution.
I've read from other lawyers that this is a subject that comes up a couple of times in law school, plus it's on the bar exam.
You can't, you can't bring up the fact or use it against them that the guy didn't speak after his arrest.
And yet there he did, as the judge said, brazenly violating this guy's constitutional rights in the letter and in the spirit of the whole thing.
How often is this happening all across the country?
tim pool
This is a prosecutor who knows he has the mob, the rioters, and the press on his side.
And even after all of these grave constitutional violations, that's what the judge said, the media doesn't cover it.
The media just says, like, Kyle Rittenhouse.
They frame everything to the worst degree for Kyle.
jack murphy
Kyle cries on the stand because he probably killed the guys.
That's the headline.
tim pool
The Daily Beast said Kyle Rittenhouse makes wild accusations about those claiming they were threatening him.
And I'm like, wild accusations?
There's multiple witnesses saying that Rosenbaum said, if I get you alone, I'll effing kill you.
That was the state's own witness saying he drew his gun on Kyle Rittenhouse.
And the Daily Beast Lie.
False frame.
unidentified
I'll say they falsely frame look I wasn't there obviously I wasn't there
jack murphy
But that was one night that I watched as many streams as I possibly could I watched BG. I watched Richie
I watched one guy even aggregate like three or four streams into one
So like I was there when that guy became the n-word guy remember like not there
But like I was watching at the gas Oh, yeah, Rosenbaum
Yeah when Rosenbaum became we were just calling him the n-word
guy because we didn't know who he was because he was running around screaming the
N-word he was obviously agitated. He was looking for conflict. I'm gonna get you
I'm gonna do this blah blah blah blah blah and like the people in the press and popular interpretation
Just did not experience that the way that the guys on the ground obviously did, that Rittenhouse obviously did, and then those of us who were watching it intently actually experienced it that night.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, framing is everything because you could take certain facts and you could omit some of them, you could highlight some of them, and you know there's different stories being told, but the fact that this case is being live-streamed I think is absolutely amazing.
I think we should live-stream all of criminal court cases just so we could actually get An unbiased point of view to what's actually happening here but it was kind of wild seeing the state prosecutor literally argue more with the judge interrupt the judge more than he did the defense.
I was like what's what's going on here there was a number of times the judge snapped on the state prosecutor who looked like he was a deer in headlights for many of the.
Proceeding.
So again, the mainstream media attacking Kyle is nothing new.
They've been attacking him from the very beginning.
We didn't even know a lot of the details here.
The mainstream media came out with a lot of spin on this story and highlighted specific events that fit their narrative.
Now, there's another narrative.
There's, you know, talk about some of these people who were shot, their criminal past, their criminal history.
People are just selecting and picking whatever fits their narrative, but truly seeing this live raw unedited I think is extremely important and I think we should normalize this as much as we can Yeah, I mean aside from being on the ground.
jack murphy
I watched it live for multiple streams.
I've interviewed Richie and BG on the scene I was just listening to the podcast that we did with them back in the summertime.
I it's one of these things where like I have such almost first-hand experience in New York. I wasn't there,
but like to see the discrepancy between what happened that night, talking to eyewitnesses,
watching the trial, and then seeing what's happening in the headlines. Like how,
where did they even get the white supremacist and this and that? I mean, they didn't even
kill anybody who was black.
tim pool
Yeah. They're all tweeting that Cal Rittenhouse killed three black people.
What?
Okay, hold on, hold on.
luke rudkowski
Not everyone, but there's some elements on Twitter and social media saying that.
tim pool
People on Twitter are pushing this.
luke rudkowski
And they're not getting fact-checked at all.
tim pool
There was a New York lawyer account with like a quarter million followers who tweeted, I have not been following this in my new detail, but I think the fact remains Kyle Rittenhouse crossed state lines with an assault rifle to go to a protest.
And I'm like, The prosecutor has charges against Dominic Black for supplying a weapon in Wisconsin to Kyle Rittenhouse.
That's a substantial portion of the criminal proceedings out of Kenosha.
These people don't even understand what the prosecutor is going for in this.
They just made something up, they all tweet about it, they don't fact check, they don't watch the trial, and then they claim they did.
I've been sitting here every morning with it on livestream, on TV.
And then just like reading all the legal analysis from like Raketa Law and from Andrew Branca, and a plethora of other, you know, legal analyses, watching all these live streams.
And I'm not gonna pretend to be a lawyer and know, right?
All of the nitty-gritty details in the law, the defense is citing various laws that were violated by the prosecutor.
I can just tell you the judge screamed at the prosecutor for a grave constitutional violation.
He said, he was like, you're on the borderline, you may be over it.
I was actually pissed.
jack murphy
He cut himself off too, he's like, and then, I'll just I'll just leave it at that for right now. You
tim pool
want to know why I was pissed?
I was listening to Rekheda's stream and it was fantastic Rekheda had 70,000 viewers on his stream. It's really really nice
Almost like Tim Kast. Oh yeah, close. I mean, but that's way bigger than we've been in this past year
I mean and so their commentary is fantastic and I don't know who it was, but they made the comment that
The judge doesn't it doesn't he wants to prove that these trials can happen that the process can work
And as soon as I heard that, I realized if the judge does not declare a mistrial with prejudice, he proves that prosecution can violate your constitutional rights, prejudice the jury by admitting evidence that was deemed inadmissible, and the judge will allow it to happen.
jack murphy
But if he has this dueling incentive of a wanting the jury to rule on the facts and perhaps come back with a not guilty verdict at the same time as wanting to protect his constitutional rights and the process and such, and maybe then go to this direct verdict, that's a tough one for the judge to actually manage, isn't it?
tim pool
It is.
It is.
But I think some people have speculated that the judge will wait for the jury to issue their finding and then intervene.
jack murphy
Can you imagine?
tim pool
It happens.
jack murphy
But I mean, can you imagine if they come back and say guilty on all charges and the judge is like, nah.
luke rudkowski
The reaction is going to be absolutely insane.
jack murphy
That would probably be the worst case scenario.
luke rudkowski
And then, I mean, the Chicago Police Department already put out a notice saying for officers that their leave is not Going to be approved because they want all officers on the force because they're expecting civil unrest to happen in major cities.
So already there's a lot of threats, there's a lot of hyperbolic language on social media that's not getting fact-checked, that's not getting corrected, that's being escalated, that's being promoted.
So this is building up to another recipe of disaster, especially with the mainstream media putting fuel on the fire in this entire situation, blatantly lying about it.
tim pool
I thought about that.
I'm like, if he intervenes, people will claim there is no fair trial.
But if we watch prosecutorial misconduct, malicious prosecution, what was the guy's name?
DeBruin, I think his name was.
Do you see this?
The witness who testified that ADA Krause and Binger brought him in and told him to change his police statement?
Malicious prosecution.
That was on Zeminsky.
I think his name is Zeminsky, is that his name?
lydia smith
Yes, Zeminsky Joshua.
tim pool
Not on Rittenhouse, but these guys are clearly corrupt.
If the judge says, I'm gonna allow this corruption to play through, then unfortunately the system is broken.
jack murphy
Maybe this isn't the A-team either.
I mean, if you grow up and your biggest goal in life is to become the prosecutor in Kenosha, Wisconsin, does that mean that you're the A-team prosecutor?
No offense to Kenosha or small towns around the country or anything, but maybe this is just standard, you know, incompetence that we see.
And I mean, I have no idea.
I haven't sat in on too many murder trials.
In fact, the one that stands out to me is OJ.
This is all reminding me a little bit of the OJ trial.
Just among politicos.
are probably too young for this, but I remember the whole country was watching, man. And in fact,
like the, I remember I was in class at university. It just stopped the day of the verdict. And like,
it was such a big deal. We were all watching it. I don't think that this has that same level of
unidentified
national prominence, but it is among politicos. Oh yeah, definitely. People like us. Let me,
tim pool
let me bring up this mainstream media stuff because someone actually just chatted this
and I had a, so I had the New York times pulled up.
I want to go through what the media has been saying, but this CNN article is one of the most egregious violations of the truth.
CNN writes, Kyle Rittenhouse testifies he knew Joseph Rosenbaum was unarmed when he fatally shot him.
That is completely immaterial.
It was a small second of this massive trial, and this is what the media does.
They pull snippets.
This is also an interesting point, though.
Many people thought it was crazy they put Kyle Rittenhouse on the stand.
There were a few points he made that could not have been admitted as evidence unless he testified, and that's why people think maybe that's why they put him on the stand.
One was that Rosenbaum had threatened his life on two occasions.
And that he knew that the Zeminsky guy was armed and he testified he heard the gunshot as he was running and turned.
What the prosecutor is trying to do is falsely frame as much as possible.
Now I noticed a lot of people asking why the defense wasn't objecting to the insane questions of the prosecutor.
Some have suggested the prosecutor's line of questioning were so absurd, it's prejudicing the jury against him.
He kept asking the same question over, he asked the same question like five times.
And every time Kyle would answer him, he'd say, I'll ask you again.
When you were going, he was doing things like, you wanted to kill those people.
And Kyle goes, I didn't want to kill anybody.
And he goes, I'll ask you again.
You went out there because you wanted to kill those people, right?
And he goes, I didn't want to kill anybody.
He asks the question again!
Over and over again.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, he was bringing up video games.
He was trying to insinuate that video games are akin to killing people No, he said don't you play Call of Duty with your friend Dominic black and he's like I mean maybe sometimes and he goes and isn't the point of that game to take these rifles and kill people and then he was like Video games aren't real life And then he started talking about AR-15s being prominent in the video game, and Kyle was like, well, there's a lot of other firearms.
There's pistols and shotguns in there as well.
But he was like, but AR-15s are the most prominent ones.
And they're like, no.
unidentified
Shovels.
luke rudkowski
And a lot of people were saying that it was almost as if the term and concept of an AR-15 was on trial, since how much it was brought up, how much it was talked about.
tim pool
Let me show you how CNN frames this.
This is not an opinion piece.
This is CNN's factual news.
They say, Kyle Rittenhouse testified Wednesday that he acted in self-defense when he fatally shot a man who had thrown a plastic bag at him and chased him last year in Kenosha, Wisconsin, in what is likely to be the pivotal testimony of his homicide trial.
Quote, I didn't do anything wrong.
I defended myself, he testified.
But in cross-examination, Rittenhouse said that he knew the man, Joseph Rosenbaum, was unarmed when he ran at the teenager.
Rittenhouse said he pointed his rifle at Rosenbaum in an attempt to deter him, adding that he knew pointing a rifle at someone is dangerous.
False.
That was leading questions from the prosecution.
The prosecution said, did you point your weapon at Rosenbaum?
Well, yeah, of course he did.
And you did that because you wanted him to know you would kill him and you meant business.
And then Kyle, of course, like says, I didn't want to kill him.
I don't want to do it.
He keeps getting asked it, asked.
What CNN is doing is they're taking statements from the prosecution that Kyle either passively agreed with or said, I guess, and they're acting like he himself said it.
Quote, he was chasing me. I was alone. He threatened to kill me earlier that night.
I didn't want to have to shoot him. I pointed it at him because he kept running at me and I didn't
want him to chase me. You see, they choose, they select all of the worst possible quotes from
Rittenhouse.
He said that he feared Rosenbaum, who did not touch his body at all that night, would take his gun and kill people, omitting the fact that the, it was, I believe it was the medical forensics, medical examiner who said Rosenbaum's hand was on the gun.
And Kyle Rittenhouse said, he grabbed my gun.
The prosecution then said, but he didn't touch your body.
And Kyle was like, right.
And now CNN takes that to falsely frame exactly what happened.
Let me pull up this New York Times real quick.
They say, key moments from Kyle Rittenhouse's testimony.
One of the things they say, Thomas Binger, the lead prosecutor, pressed Mr. Rittenhouse about why he aimed a rifle at Joseph Rosenbaum, who had run toward him but was unarmed.
You wanted him to get the message from you that if you come any closer, I'm going to kill you.
That's why you pointed the gun at him.
Mr. Rittenhouse said he did not want to kill Mr. Rosenbaum, though he believed Rosenbaum was trying to disarm him.
Quote, if I would have let Mr. Rosenbaum take my firearm from me.
He would have used it, and killed me with it, and probably killed more people.
So respect to the New York Times for putting that quote in right at the top.
That was important testimony.
jack murphy
But New York Times, Julie Bosman states, a paramedic from West Allis, a Milwaukee suburb, was shot in the arm by Rittenhouse.
She says that he was holding a handgun pointed in the air when Rit House shot him from a short distance away.
So that was, that was at, uh, she tweeted that at, I copied it at 5 15 PM.
Then I tweeted at her, you should probably delete this.
And at 5 15 PM, she deleted it.
tim pool
Well, good.
jack murphy
But she tried to put it out there until she was fact-checked on it.
She wasn't actually doing her job.
She was making things up until the tweets started to go viral and people were like, why are you lying?
tim pool
There are two stages to this.
We should absolutely criticize people who are incompetent, which is a large portion of the Twitterati, the progressives and the media.
When she puts out a false statement like that, that's very serious.
So during the trial, The prosecution wanted to bring up video on an iPad, and they wanted to pinch to zoom.
And the defense objected, saying that Apple's iPad uses artificial intelligence 3D-enhancing logarithms to change the image.
And I tweeted out that was insane and stupid.
Because, like, image interpolation is a very simple thing.
As you expand it, a program, machine learning, basically tries to fill in gaps that are missing.
It's not 3D.
It's not artificial intelligence.
And then people were like, Tim, you're making fun of boomers trying to explain something.
And I was like, OK, I'll delete it.
I'll delete it.
I have no problem that people make mistakes.
And there's a lot of journalists, so you'll see a lot of mistakes.
But we should absolutely criticize.
If I said something wrong, people did.
And I said, OK, I'll accept it.
When she puts out fake information, she'll accept it.
We should not tolerate it.
But we'll be nice about when they do bad jobs.
Well, they should not remain in those positions if they're that bad, but the next degree is like CNN.
Falsely framing, cherry-picking quotes, and manipulating the narrative, or NPR claiming that Grosskreutz testified his hands were in the air when he was shot, when he testified to the defense that it was only after he pointed a gun at Rittenhouse.
That is egregious!
When MSNBC put out a video where they say, Grosskreutz testified his hands were up.
Then they show a clip of something totally irrelevant.
That is intentionally trying to manipulate people.
That's the second level of it.
luke rudkowski
Jeffrey Toobin was also on CNN.
Jeffrey Toobin, if you don't know who he is, he's the guy who spanked it to his coworkers on Zoom.
And he was on CNN and he literally said, quote, Kyle is an idiot, which I think is just I mean, I mean, that's the type of level of commentary you expect from CNN.
But still, even when it when it when it happens, it's still surprising to see it as that blatantly out there right in front of your face, because Truly what they're doing is a huge disservice and people who are paying attention watching the trial are getting a totally different perspective than people who of course are just editorializing and commenting about it like Tubin was.
tim pool
I think Kyle had a hard time on the stand.
He answered a lot of questions very very well so the prosecution When the defense was doing the direct with Kyle Rittenhouse, Kyle, of course, you know, he's probably working this out with the defense, answered the questions, he did a really good job, he explained, you know, why he was there, what his goals were.
When it came to cross-examination with the prosecutor, the prosecutor was just badgering him and badgering him, and caught him up in a few instances, and now the New York Times says, Mr. Rittenhouse struggled to give clear answers to questions about why he brought his gun as he ran towards the car lot with a fire extinguisher.
The event that immediately preceded the shooting of Mr. Rosenbaum.
I'm watching the testimony, and one of the questions he asked was, after the protesters cleared away from this area, why did you walk directly in this direction instead of going around them?
And I'm like, that's a question that can only be asked in hindsight.
And Kyle didn't have a good answer because he never thought about it and he's on the spot.
And that's why it was a huge risk to put him on the stand because that question is garbage, nonsensical.
He was like, why did you have your gun?
What were you trying to protect?
He asked him, why were you looking for Ryan Belch?
And Kyle was like, because you're safer in pairs.
Safer from who?
And it's just like, Kyle didn't have good answers for this.
But I think he's 18, he's not experienced, and this is why it's a risk to put him on the stand.
If he was sharper, if he was quicker, you know, he could have said something like, Cause there was rioters and arsonists and people doing violence all over the place?
Because criminals exist.
Because when you go out on the streets for any reason, you're safer with another person regardless of whether or not there's a riot or a protest.
jack murphy
So many of these questions strike me as being in the same vein of why did you wear that miniskirt out at night, young lady?
tim pool
So one of the issues was when he was asking Kyle, like, why did you bring a gun?
It's like, because someone might attack me.
Who?
I don't know.
And Kyle actually had a really good answer.
He said, you brought the gun.
The prosecution said to Kyle, asked him, Why did you bring the gun?
And Kyle says, I thought I needed protection.
And then he said, protection from whom?
And Kyle said something to the effect of, I didn't think I would need to use protection.
And then the defense, the prosecutor goes, I'm confused.
You said you needed protection.
Now you're saying you didn't.
And Kyle very quickly and very, very on point, sharp said, I thought I needed to bring protection, but I didn't think I would need to use it.
And that was really, really good.
But when you have a prosecutor who's asking the same question 50 times,
you now give the media the opportunity to say he couldn't answer.
Kyle was getting confused and saying, I don't understand your question.
One of the things Binger said was that hollow point bullets, when they're fired into somebody,
explode. And Kyle's like, what? And the judge was like, what?
What are you talking about?
It seems like a gish gallop.
Are you familiar with a gish gallop?
jack murphy
I have literally never heard that in my life.
tim pool
It's a debate tactic where you throw as much garbage at someone so that they look like they can't answer the question properly.
So instead of asking a question in a debate like, is 2 plus 2 4?
You go, look, 2 plus 2 equals 5, and 2 plus 2 equals 6, and 3 minus 7 is 22, and you know it's 22, and now we have 7 minus 3 is 4, and your opponent goes, oh, wait, wait, what did you say?
What?
And the goal is to make you look confused to the audience.
jack murphy
I don't know.
Are these common tactics, generally speaking, when doing a cross-examination of witness like this?
Or is this specific to this case because they don't have a real case and they're trying to use these psychological tactics?
luke rudkowski
Well, I mean, I think they're just fishing.
They're trying to throw out as much as they can, see what they could get back.
I mean, being cross-examined like that for hours is difficult.
It's not easy.
So, I mean, just watching the case, it really looked like, let's just keep throwing something at it.
Let's see if we get something back.
And, you know, if you're a state prosecutor, they're going to do everything in their power.
They're going to take as much time as they want to, of course, try to beat up the witness, beat up the person being questioned, and try to literally break him.
That's a tactic used by many people in cross-examinations.
Keep berating him, keep beating him, keep asking him the questions to see maybe it's an interrogation tactic too to keep asking the same question but in different formats.
jack murphy
Sure, and you start off by asking him something that you know is an affirmative.
Did you do that?
Yes.
Did you walk over here?
Yes.
And you get them in the habit of saying yes.
I have given testimony under oath a number of times, depositions in court and whatnot, And with some lawyers, you know, in my mind, I know where they're going and I can answer honestly and still sort of, you know, screw with them and win the game.
But I am not 18 years old.
I am not on the stand fighting for my life.
I am not being accused of murder.
That has got to be an extraordinarily stressful circumstance.
tim pool
There's actually, there was an amazing point where they freeze frame a moment when he had, when Gage Grosskreutz was attacking him.
They freeze frame it, and in the still, Rittenhouse's gun is pointed forward towards the legs of Gage Grosskreutz, whose hands are up, and then he's like, he's not pointing a weapon at you, but you're pointing a weapon at him.
And then Kyle Rittenhouse says, it's a freeze frame, I believe if you play the video you'll see I'm actually lowering the weapon.
And I was like, wow.
Kyle actually did a pretty good job on the stand.
However, it's the James Bond technique.
If you ask a woman to hook up 30 times, this is literally the James Bond jokes from Family Guy.
Ask the woman 30 times and she says no.
When she finally says yes, James Bond looks at the camera and goes, 30 no's and one yes means yes.
It's the James Bond joke.
But the point is, that's what abusers do.
They know that they can ask you the question 20 times until you finally get confused and say what they need, and then they can put that on the record and then go to the jury and say, remember when he testified X?
It's like, yeah, if you ask the same question 50 times and confused him, that's a tactic.
They don't have a case.
The crazy thing, I'll say it again, was when the defense actually stated to the judge that the prosecutors either have forgotten the rulings of the judge or are purposefully trying to trigger a mistrial because they know they have no case and they don't want this to go before the jury.
The defense actually said that to the judge.
Massive.
jack murphy
Now what does it mean when they've, can the judge, and we're not lawyers, but can the judge receive a motion and not rule on it?
tim pool
So, one of the things the judge said, uh, they wrapped up, uh, about, I think, like, um, Eastern Time, 5.40 or so.
The judge was actually contemplating bringing another witness, but he said, it's a little late, you know, why don't we, uh, you know, come back tomorrow, first thing in the morning, we'll dismiss the jury.
And he said to the defense, I'll get you my preliminary.
Nope, nope.
I won't promise that, but we'll see what happens.
So I think the judge is going to issue a ruling on the motion.
Yeesh.
But I'm not a lawyer.
I have no idea.
I have no idea.
You're better off, you know, listening to lawyer commentary.
That's just what the judge said about a preliminary ruling on it.
luke rudkowski
I'm crossing my fingers and I hope we have this much attention on the Ghislaine Maxwell case, which is going to be starting in a little bit.
So I'm like, please, please, let's keep up this kind of judicial attention on such important issues.
ian crossland
I was thinking that she was actually hooking up with a bunch of those people that would come to the Epstein's place.
luke rudkowski
Well, there's a lot of very serious allegations around her, but I don't want to deviate too much from this particular case.
tim pool
I gotta give a shout out.
I gotta give a shout out.
We're sitting here, we're criticizing the media, and there's someone in the media who deserves some respect, and people are not going to want to accept it, but we're people of principle.
Anna Kasparian of the Young Turks.
Check this out, from the Daily Wire.
Quote, I was wrong.
Young Turks Kasparian admits she bought into false Rittenhouse narrative.
Mad respect.
100% respect.
I disagree with their politics.
I think the Young Turks have been very unfair to me.
I think they've lied about me on more than one occasion.
Cenk Uygur screamed at me at Politicon for no reason.
I've known the guy for years, and I politely asked him, like, hey, you guys put up a smear piece on Dave Rubin, but, like, my name's, like, in the thumbnail in the middle.
And then he starts yelling at me.
All of that aside, if you recognize that you're wrong and you correct it, I will give you the respect you deserve.
Because if we still, you know, if someone comes out and says, you know, I bought into this false narrative on cow retinas, which is what Ana Kasparian did, and then we refuse to accept their acknowledgment, you only encourage them to keep doing bad.
Mm. We tell them thank you for, for saying the right thing with, with respect. And hopefully
they continue to do the right thing. Do the research, looking at these tweets from people,
they keep saying crossing state lines with a gun, crossing state lines with a gun. They keep saying
assault rifle, assault rifle wrong. These people have not done any, any research into this at all.
And if they do, I'll give them the respect they deserve.
luke rudkowski
Well, that's big that she came out and corrected her statement.
Because if we remember, I mean, the mainstream media, especially MSNBC, they were calling Kyle a domestic terrorist, a mass murderer.
They were using extremely hyperbolic language in order to kind of inflame this situation.
There's people trying to make this about race.
And again, this has nothing to do with any of that.
But when it comes to this kind of salacious action, someone actually saying, hey, I was actually wrong here is very big because the mainstream media doubled down, tripled down, and they're still trying to ignore a lot of important facts in this case.
They didn't know what happened, but they still were able to declare definitely domestic terrorists, definitely a mass murderer.
Again, we're still finding out all the details of the case here, and the picture portrayed here is totally different.
tim pool
I saw a really funny tweet.
You know who I love to shout out is Cameron Kasky.
Because, you know, he seemed like somebody who was acting in good faith initially, but he's totally just lost any will, to be honest.
He tweeted something really funny.
He tweeted, I'm paraphrasing, how come all of these centrists are so much smarter than me?
And I thought it was really funny because he's being sarcastic, he's saying they're not.
But I realized that's the attitude that many of these establishment Democrat types and leftists have, where they don't actually read the news, they don't know what they're talking about, but they're arrogant enough to get online and say these things, and there are tribalist individuals who are willing to retweet it because it makes them feel good inside.
But when you come out and say, assault rifle, when literally not a single person in Kenosha had an assault rifle, not a single person, I'm not gonna play stupid semantic games.
They meant long gun, not assault rifle.
But saying that is factually and legally wrong, and they don't bother to do a Google search.
Google search.
Five seconds to figure out what an assault rifle is.
They don't even do that.
They get verified, they get a million followers, and then they tweet, I'm smarter than you.
luke rudkowski
I prefer DuckDuckGo, but that's just a separate topic.
Go ahead.
jack murphy
Well, you know, I was thinking that a lot of these people's perceptions on this are prejudiced from the actions that Facebook and GoFundMe took very early on, right?
So if Facebook, if Facebook, where grandma shares pictures of her cats, Tells me that Rittenhouse is clearly guilty and you get suspended.
I don't know.
They remember the details, but they did ban and censor some elements about this and GoFundMe definitely took down his fundraiser.
Well, then it must be true because Facebook is a benign entity where my pictures of my grandkids are getting likes from all of our cousins.
luke rudkowski
Social media took people down for talking about facts of this case.
So that's absolutely huge.
People were prevented from having a discussion what was going on here.
We only got mainstream media dribble and assertions, and then everyone else left talking about this was scared of being targeted and taken down.
There's people demonetized, there's people who lost their channels, there's people who were eviscerated and deleted, unpersoned, because they were discussing the facts here.
tim pool
There was a really good tweet from the Libertarian Party.
I think it may have been of New Hampshire.
I'm not sure.
This account highlighted two tweets.
One was from a leftist who said that Kyle Rittenhouse was a white supremacist who was hunting down civil rights protesters, which is a lie.
And the other tweet said, based on the evidence in this trial, it's clear that Kyle was acting in self-defense.
The self-defense tweet got suspended.
And the white supremacist tweet, massive retweets.
jack murphy
Oh, there's this guy, BrooklynDadDefiant or whatever.
He's got something like a million followers.
Just constantly railing on this.
Constantly telling people to lie, lie, lie.
A million followers verified on Twitter.
tim pool
Look at Sean King, dude.
jack murphy
Right.
tim pool
These people built careers off intentionally misleading, and this has been the MO of the establishment for the past, I mean, maybe for longer than we realize, but you get Russiagate.
They accused Trump of doing what they literally did.
The Clintons and the Democrats had more ties to Russia and this manipulation and lies than Trump ever did, and they put up fake news and the media helped them.
Now you get Sean King and there was that time he falsely accused that cop of abusing that woman or whatever.
There's a video he put out where he claimed Proud Boys had gone out and done something that Proud Boys weren't even involved in.
He just lies.
He knows it.
And many leftists have called him out.
He's still got a million plus followers.
He gets hired at these companies like The Intercept and The Daily News or whatever.
He gets paid lots of money.
Then you get Brooklyn Dad to find it turns out he's being paid by political operatives.
That was a big expose.
I could be wrong about that, but it's my understanding, at the very least, that he was a paid political operative, and even leftists criticized him for it.
You have a massive propaganda machine pumping out lies, making money.
They're grifters.
What do they do?
They know they have to accuse us to deflect.
So they'll say, when we pull up video or we pull up news articles and challenge them and show you what's going on in the trial.
The other day we played the actual video from MSNBC and in the trial to disprove their lies, they'll claim we're the ones who are manipulating people.
When Brian Stelter tells people, don't watch the propaganda, come to us.
When I think it was Cuomo when he said, you're not legally allowed to read WikiLeaks, only we can.
Anyone who tells you not to seek out information is manipulating you.
Because I'll tell you this.
Watch CNN.
See what they say.
Read the New York Times.
See what they say.
And then watch Crowder.
Watch David Pakman.
Watch the Young Turks.
And watch us.
Try and get as much as you can because then you'll see through the lies.
What do they tell you?
Don't listen to the grifters.
They're manipulating you.
jack murphy
Man, this is one reason why you gotta be in good shape, guys, because you need stamina to withstand this constant barrage of lies, manipulation, disinformation.
If you are weak, if you're physically weak, if you're mentally, emotionally, spiritually weak, You're just going to fall victim.
You're just going to be led right off the cliff away from the truth and into ways that are going to end up harming you in the long run if you follow all of the mainstream narratives.
luke rudkowski
Now, I agree with Tim on some points here, especially when it comes to seeing what the larger media landscape actually looks like.
But remember, after watching the mainstream media, remember to squeegee clean your third eye and try to decompress.
Because seriously, there's a lot of trauma-based mind control and a lot of psychological tricks and dirty tricks used by the mainstream media.
It's absolutely just... When you watch it, it's like watching another reality.
It's like watching another world.
And truly, you have to be very careful with what they say because you have to fact-check everything.
And usually when you do, even with basic things that you think are common, you're shocked and surprised by just simply trying to look at the evidence yourself, what they're saying, and what the actual truth of the reality is.
jack murphy
The difference is so stark that it's difficult to accept sometimes.
And you think to yourself, nah, that can't be possibly right.
And you doubt your own perception.
luke rudkowski
They can't be lying that much.
jack murphy
And then when you think about what we're just witnessing in real time right now, and then you just think about all of written history, and then it's just like, oh God.
tim pool
When we had, we had Steve Hilton on the other day, and when we were showing the video of that guy on MSNBC, I don't know his name, and he was like, Gage Grosskreutz testified that his hands were up when he was shot, and then I play the video where the defense is like, it wasn't until you pointed the gun at Kyle Rittenhouse that he fired on you, and he goes, correct.
He didn't believe it.
He was like, no, like, how could they just say that?
And I'm like, the videos published after the testimony, the articles, even if, even if the article came out right before that testimony and they rushed it, they haven't corrected it.
And he was just like, I can't believe they would outright and overtly lie like that.
And I'm like, I can't.
jack murphy
I tried to tell somebody.
You remember the Portland shooting where the Antifa guys shot that Jay, Jay Danielson?
tim pool
Yeah, Aaron Danielson.
jack murphy
Aaron Danielson, and nicknamed Jay, right?
And there was a guy who filmed it live, who was just allegedly Strolling along the street and happened to pick up the entire thing on video, right?
So I got in touch with the guy and I interviewed him and I went through it frame by frame by frame and asked him all the questions and then I asked him why he was going to the protest and he says, oh, my daughter got me into going to these things.
Black Lives Matter.
And you know, I just want to support her.
I'm like, oh, you're a family man.
Yeah, you believe in family, right?
You're a good dad?
You like leading your family?
You like having a whole intact family?
Yeah?
Well, did you know that Black Lives Matter is opposed to the nuclear family?
That wants to, quote, disrupt the norm around the nuclear family?
He's like, nah.
I'm like, hold on a second.
I pulled it up.
I showed it to him.
He read it.
And his reaction was, oh, that just must be a typo.
That just must be a mistake.
unidentified
They did delete it because it was so egregious and outrageous, but it is true.
jack murphy
It's part of their platform.
It's what they believe.
And a guy, I put it right in front of him on the website, everything.
And he still could not believe that he was supporting an organization that was against his whole raison d'etre.
ian crossland
It always being a dad and leading a family drives me nuts when people say I can't believe it when something happens
Especially watch sports announcers. Oh, we caught the catch.
I can't believe it like dude believe it it happens Stop telling yourself. You can't believe what's right in
tim pool
front of you I think one of the one of the big problems that we're
seeing now Especially with the right is that they keep saying things
like why would someone want there to be no justice?
You know, they're like the the people who are cheering for Kyle Rittenhouse to go to prison are cheering the
destruction of our justice system Why would you want that?
And I'm just like, you'd think after this many years, you'd realize that communists who scream, long live the revolution, this guy Gage Grosskreutz testified, he did, hold up his fist.
jack murphy
Are you affiliated?
No.
Did you go to their things?
Yes.
ian crossland
No, no, no.
jack murphy
Did you speak at their events?
tim pool
He said, are you a member?
jack murphy
Are you a member?
tim pool
He said, no.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
But you've spoken at their events?
Yes.
So you're affiliated?
Yes.
jack murphy
Did you chant the slogans?
tim pool
Did you raise your fist and say, long live the revolution?
Yes.
What people need to understand, and this is what I was trying to say to Steve the other day, when you assume that your political rival holds the same moral framework and worldview as you, you are wrong.
You're making assumptions.
When these people say, long live the revolution, and then you wonder why it is they're lying under oath, They do not respect our moral framework.
They do not agree with our moral framework.
They do not respect the authority of the court.
And they believe they have a right, by any means necessary, to subvert and destroy this system.
jack murphy
I was surprised when he actually admitted, bicep guy.
I don't like using their names.
I call him the N-word guy, and the bicep guy, skateboard guy.
I was actually surprised that he just straight up was like, yeah, he didn't point the gun at me until I pointed the gun at him.
tim pool
Well, he tried denying it at first.
jack murphy
But he admitted it?
tim pool
He had to though. That was what was so crazy about the testimony. The defense was like,
unidentified
even so I still was surprised. But check it out. The defense said to him first,
tim pool
you pointed your gun at Kyle Rittenhouse and then he fired upon you and gross courts goes,
no. And then he was like, he pulls the video up and he hands him a phone and goes, that's a photo.
What is it of?
And he's like, it's my bicep being vaporized.
And he's like, and your gun is pointed at the defendant.
He's like, yes.
And that's when he shot you.
Yes.
So it was only after you advanced on the defendant, pointed your gun at him, that he fired on you.
And he goes, yes.
When you're showing a picture to the jury, what's the dude going to say?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
He tried that.
He tried.
This guy has no allegiance to the prosecutor.
The prosecutor's already put himself in a position where he can't criminally charge him.
So he's like, that's on you.
I'm not going to make myself look worse and incriminate myself.
And there you go.
jack murphy
Dang.
ian crossland
I don't understand though, that's like, what's called perjury, you just lied to the jury under oath?
tim pool
Yup.
But this is a matter, the issue is there's a big difference between like, hard perjury and an interpretation.
unidentified
Of course.
tim pool
So when he's like, you know, it wasn't until you pointed the gun, he's like, no.
And then, well here's the video, oh yeah, I guess so.
It's very different from them, and this dude lied a lot.
It was funny when the prosecutor, playing the video, with Gage Grosskreutz, holding his gun, and he goes, so at this point, you've pulled your gun as you're approaching Kyle Rittenhouse, and he goes, no.
And the prosecutor's like, here's the video we just played with a gun in your hand.
And he goes, yes.
This dude is lying!
jack murphy
The worst.
tim pool
But perjury almost never, my understanding is almost never gets prosecuted.
And it's typically for like, were you at the bar at 2am?
No, I was in Buffalo, New York.
And then they find a picture of you there.
You overtly lied about what you were doing.
And then they might try again.
ian crossland
Did you knowingly spy on the American people?
tim pool
That's right, and unfortunately when him and Schiff and all of these cronies went on TV and lied about Russiagate, they weren't under oath.
When they were under oath in congressional testimony, they admitted, I have no evidence, it's not true, it's all bunk.
jack murphy
That's one of my favorite things, talking to Cash, him pointing all that stuff out.
I'm so glad that he was on the show.
What a good dude.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Now listen, we just gave respect to Anna Kasparian because she corrected the record on a mistake she made.
And now I'm going to highlight Cenk Uygur.
I'm not someone who, you know, I typically don't like talking about the Young Turks or other commentators, but this is actually a really important cultural moment that we're getting not just from Cenk Uygur, but from one of his followers that I think we absolutely need to address.
Cenk Uygur tweeted, So Joe Rogan's show has now become a boring right-wing show.
No real diversity of opinion. It's just insane conspiracy theories and right-wing lies,
like every other Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson-like show, and it's obvious he doesn't
want to be challenged on his ideas anymore. The Democrats just lost miserably in a series
of elections. In Virginia, notably due to critical race theory.
Suburban housewives, white suburban women voted for the Republican critical race theory plays poorly with, you know, working class individuals and suburbanites.
We saw a state senator who spent only $153 win without campaigning against the incumbent
Democrat who refused to concede until today's like, okay, I accept that I lost because people
just said, I'll take a ham sandwich.
If there's an R next to it, that's how much people are fed up with the Democrats, with
wokeness, with all of this stuff we've been complaining about for a long time.
If you look at basically every metric.
You'll see that independent voters are leaning closer towards Republicans simply because Republicans are closer to them and Democrats are going further and further left.
Pew Research put out a political tribes chart.
There is a group called the stressed sideline, which is the least politically active group, according to their survey, center-right position.
The individuals who consider themselves to be politically neutral are center-right.
We would probably fall under what Pew Research refers to as the ambivalent right.
It's a group of people who aren't conservative, but have voted Republican, who are actually fairly progressive on certain issues, or economic issues, but are against the Democrats and wokeness and all that stuff.
Back to what Cenk Uygur is saying, and here's why I think this is so important to highlight.
not just because of his comment, but because of one of his followers' responses, who said,
I'm also feeling that way about e-cigar and crystal ball with their breaking points show.
I loved it when they impartially went after both sides of MSM, but now it's just one-sided
attacks and conspiracy theories, no balance anymore. My response was, as Democrats begin
to lose and moderates are shown to be closer politically to the right because the left has
has gone so far left, a breakdown among the left ensues.
Cenk Uygur's only response is, because he's built up his audience around chasing this fringe, unpopular ideology is, It's not me who's wrong.
It's everyone else who just voted against us.
And his follower says, that's right.
Crystal Ball and Cigar, who are very, like, Crystal Ball's progressive.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
No, no, no.
They're far right now.
Because they're telling the truth.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They're breaking down.
jack murphy
Yeah, it's amazing.
I mean, we've been talking on this show for a long time.
I've been talking about it, that the CRT in schools is going to be the biggest red pill delivery service that we've seen, and it clearly played out that way.
You know, we've been talking about that.
tim pool
Red pill delivery service.
jack murphy
For two years.
I mean, when your daughter comes home from school and wonders if she's a racist because what they're talking about in class, You know, that's going to get Mama Bear activated.
And I also just want to give some big shout outs to some friends of ours, Corey DeAngelis and Christopher Ruffo.
Boy, James Lindsay, James Lindsay, of course.
And, you know, all of us here have been hammering all this stuff for a long time.
And dude, they had a huge hand in what happened in Virginia, you know, and it really shows.
And thank goodness, because I love Virginia and I want it to be read.
It really shows that what we need is a big network of people that aren't necessarily on the same campaigns and aren't necessarily getting paid by the same people and aren't necessarily totally aligned.
But you need people, you need the academics to define it, you need the media people to set the stage, you need the campaign managers to follow the lead and follow the polls.
And what happened in Virginia was amazing.
I was in Orlando at the National Conservatism Conference the night that Youngkin won and Chris Rufo was sitting right next to me and when they announced it, oh man, it was so exciting because that dude has been busting his ass!
tim pool
But how crazy is it That here we are, you're Democrat to deplorable, being like, I want Virginia to be red, and I'm at the conservatism conference.
jack murphy
I know, I know, and it feels perfectly natural, and those people feel perfectly... I mean, I definitely did not agree with everything that I heard at the National Conservative Concert.
However, but they did feel more like, quote, my people.
And who would just interpret a random event in a similar fashion than these crazies like Cenk.
And dude, I'd gotten a media game later than you.
So I have never seen this Cenk Uygur guy be reasonable or say anything smart or whatever.
He's just been this buffoon.
Just screaming and yelling like some sort of...
ian crossland
Idiot!
2007 he was pretty hard on George Bush in the Iraq war.
He was a shining beacon.
Speaking out against it was very nice.
luke rudkowski
He was criticizing a lot of very powerful forces, many multinational corporations.
He got a contract on MSNBC.
MSNBC tried to stifle him and shut him up and he said no!
And he made it a huge issue.
He actually stood up and gained a lot of respect from a lot of people.
And then ever since then, I think he's just been going downhill and drinking
some very strange, oddly smelling Kool-Aid and has gone off the deep end.
jack murphy
Money and views start warping your mind too, man.
unidentified
They do.
tim pool
This is what happened to all of these establishment forces.
The Young Turks, they were big, they were leftist.
You have CNN, who was supposedly the corporate, they're corporate media for sure, but they were never hard left the way they became.
What happened was, especially for the Young Turks, is that you go on Twitter, And you look at your mentions, and you get 30 replies, and you're scrolling down, and they're all saying, you were wrong about X. People are easily manipulated by this, assuming that 30 angry people represent their entire base.
So what happens is, eventually the Young Turks, and other, you know, digital outlets, start saying, wow, my followers think this is right, or think this is wrong, I don't want to lose followers.
So they start adhering to a fringe minority.
We've seen the polling data, between 8 and 10% of the country, If you want to abandon 90% of the country for 8% because there's a market share for you, good luck.
What's happened now is the Young Turks, CNN, MSNBC, have you seen this?
They're losing all their talent.
Rachel Maddow's canceling her daily show, she's gonna do a weekly show, and Brian Williams announced he's leaving because their ratings are in the trash.
They have almost no key demo.
jack murphy
But they're in the trash because of the H.E.R.
tim pool
No, no, no.
Here's what happens.
If you lie for years, Russiagate, they dedicated themselves to being wrong.
People are not the stupid clowns they treat them out to be.
There are some stupid clowns.
But average people are average and average people can see through lies.
They understand that the square peg goes through the square hole.
So when they come out and they say, Trump colluded with Russia, we know it for a fact.
Clapper goes on her show and says, we've all seen the evidence.
And then three years later, the report comes out.
Trump didn't.
Those people go.
The hell was I just watching?
And then what happened?
Their ratings collapsed.
Rachel Maddow is nearly in tears, but she can't give it up.
Why?
She lost moderates who are looking for real news.
She retained the cult members.
The Young Turks have done the same thing.
Now Cenk Uygur's only option is to say Joe Rogan, who is moderate left-leaning, and the most popular podcaster, and probably the second most popular comedian, is a right-wing boring show.
Cenk, Joe Rogan is like your average dude talking about crazy things all the time.
He's not Tucker Carlson.
He's not a right-wing pundit.
When I look at Joe Rogan, I'm like, that should be your barometer for regular people.
jack murphy
Right.
The pulse of the nation.
tim pool
And you look at his shows when he goes and performs, People in New York show up for him.
These are people in Democrat strongholds showing up.
jack murphy
With vaccines accepting the mandates.
tim pool
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And so when I, you look at Joe Rogan, and he is very likely representing regular Americans, but the Democrats have pulled, you look at this, the Pew data that got released that went viral, when it shows the Democrat shift versus the Republican shift, do you remember this?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The Democrat center has now become far left, and the Republicans have moved like one point to the right.
So Republicans are closer to where they've always been.
What happens to a moderate or someone like a Joe Rogan?
They look to their left and every day they lie, they cheat, they steal, and they get further left.
And they look to their right and there's a Republican saying the same thing they always did.
And they're like, the Republican says the 4th of July barbecue and Christmas are great.
I like those things too.
They look to their left and they're like, you're white, you're racist, Christmas is racist, shut up.
And they go, okay, that's nuts.
jack murphy
Right, exactly.
You know, this is why if you're in journalism, if you're in media, it's really important just to be dedicated to the truth, right?
Because then you just ask questions and then you can be wrong because you were never like, this is what I believe.
You're just asking questions.
I'm just a guy with a microphone.
I'm just pulling on a thread.
I mean, that's my whole shtick.
I don't know really the answers to anything.
I'm just asking questions, trying to figure it out and go where the answers take you.
But that takes being able to withstand your audience being mad at you.
Right?
And because if you just respond to your audience being mad at you, like, you know, I catch a lot of crap for being anti-Trump.
I catch a lot of crap for a lot of things, but it's those moments where you need to have some fortitude because that's when you're staying true to just the pursuit of truth.
And that's why guys like Mike Cernovich get so much crap from people because he's just trying, he's just pursuing the truth, his version of the truth, whatever.
He's just asking questions and he's trying to come to his own understanding.
tim pool
It's when Matt Aldud, I said on November 7th, Donald Trump lost, get over it.
You need to move on.
And all the hardcore Trump supporters were like, screw Tim Poole, they were mad at me.
But still, the left claims I pushed the narrative of election fraud, which I never did.
In fact, Steve Bannon came on this show, and I argued with him about it, saying, I think you guys are focused on the wrong thing.
You gotta focus on Democrats' ground game, and how they did voting in the park, and how they did universal mail-in voting, because that is the edge that got them the win.
The left will still lie about me.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
So here's one of the challenges.
Here's an example of the Rittenhouse case.
One of the challenges with believing in America.
The judge, his ringtone was, proud to be an American.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
What does that mean?
It means he'll be biased for the left.
jack murphy
I was going to say, it's not good.
tim pool
It means he's biased for the left.
lydia smith
For the left.
for the left.
tim pool
Why do you say that?
Because he truly believes in the justice system.
He's going to allow prosecutorial misconduct because he wants there to be a jury trial
because the jury trial is the American thing to do.
So as the left, the prosecutor, lies, cheats, and steals, he'll say it is the American value
to give an equal opportunity to everyone.
You have people who raise their fist and say, long live the revolution.
Their explicit goal is to destroy this nation.
And you are welcoming them to the fray and giving them an opportunity.
I thought about this, and this is what you'll get.
A leftist revolutionary sect and democratic establishment authoritarians who will cheat and use your good faith to continue doing it.
jack murphy
Definitely.
tim pool
So my thought was kind of, we should only extend the values of our justice system to those who uphold it equally for us as well.
If we believe in the Bill of Rights and the Fifth Amendment and the Second Amendment, why would we give people an opportunity to take those rights from us?
What I mean to say is, if we believe in the right to remain silent in a fair trial, and someone walks in and says, I will not give you that same benefit, but I demand it of you, we should respond with, no.
Either we all agree these are the rules, or we won't apply them to you if you don't want them.
To simplify it even further, if you don't believe in free speech, why would I defend your right to free speech?
You don't believe in it.
I'll give you the respect you've asked for.
jack murphy
That's a tough one, man.
The issue is... I mean, I hear what you're saying.
I hear what you're saying, but like the right to... Yeah, that's tough.
But those are the most egregious circumstances that free speech has to be supported.
It's even for people that don't believe in it, right?
Even for people that are acting insane.
For people that are doing the dumbest, craziest things that you could possibly think of, then that's why guys like Mark Randazzo are amazing, because they go out there and defend those kind of people.
tim pool
I agree, but there's a line.
Yeah.
So there have been a few pundits who have pointed out that one of the problems with conservatives and the more libertarian-minded people on free speech is that they're unwilling to accept any limitations on speech in pursuit of free speech, which is the wrong thing to do.
Well, we need to recognize that there are certain limits culturally that we're not willing to accept and then call out the left for violating these same limits and not respecting the free speech that they demand.
To put it simply, there's that paradox of intolerance where they say, if you tolerate intolerance, then the intolerant win.
And that's not necessarily untrue.
We all need to agree on the rules and then operate within those rules.
If someone seeks to destroy our rights and attack our way of life, we should not give them equal opportunity.
We should not open the door for them, to put it simply.
To wrap this all up, my point is, The judge in the Rittenhouse case knows they're breaking the rules, has yelled at the prosecutors, but is still, as someone who believes in America and is proud, will uphold these systems which benefit those who lie, cheat, and steal, and are seeking to destroy the very system that is protecting them.
jack murphy
It is a paradox.
tim pool
It just means that we can't be absolute in our defense of egregious actors.
We certainly will protect their free speech and act in good faith, but when it becomes apparent that they're trying to destroy the system, we say, okay, we can't tolerate your attempt to destroy free speech.
jack murphy
So that logic, do the 9-11 suicide bombers, do they deserve a free, like a fair trial?
tim pool
Absolutely.
Okay.
I think what I mean to say is, and I think Ian helped my understanding of this.
He had some good questions about the ethics of vaccine lockdown, of mandates and lockdowns when you brought up Ebola and what people's rights are.
There's a point where if there was an airborne Ebola, everyone in this room would be like, lock it all down, right?
Like an 80% mortality of people coughing and their insides are liquefying and you're watching it happen.
We'd all be like, lock it.
We'd be freaking out.
But to varying degrees.
So then, you know, I started to think that for the most part, it's really about how much risk you're, how much you're willing to tolerate in terms of sacrificing freedoms, because everybody's willing to give up something if it, if something is, you know, give us some of their freedoms if it's egregious enough.
I think for the most part, we just happen to be, people who watch the show and us, substantially more libertarian than they are.
So they're more likely to take away people's rights.
We won't tolerate that.
But a really good point that was made that I think will help people understand this is that someone said to Tucker Carlson, you would not allow someone to come on your show and make racist comments.
And Tucker said, you are correct.
He's like, right, we agree.
There are limits on acceptable speech.
It's a good point.
The legal limits should not be banning hate speech, but the culturally acceptable limits exist.
In which case, we need to enforce culturally our ideals and tell people who would say, revolution nothing less, by any means necessary, that we will not accept that culture.
jack murphy
Since we're opening this can of worms, let's talk about this for just for just one quick second.
I knew I know a guy and his he separated from his wife and his kids are in Israel and his daughter's bat mitzvah was coming up.
And it looks like that the judge is going to actually order the kids to stay in Israel.
And so he and in Israel, you can't enter the country unless you have a vaccine.
So what does that guy do?
The choice is, and he's just mega opposed to the vaccine.
His grandparents were, you know, captured by the Nazis.
Like he has a history with this.
Forced medical procedures, et cetera.
He was faced with get the vaccine and see his kids or don't get the vaccine and maybe never see his kids again.
That is a extremely difficult situation to be put in if you believe very, if you're very adamantly opposed to the vaccines and the mandates.
And I don't think any of us would argue here that this guy should never see his kids again.
Right?
So what that clearly lays out for us is that there is, it is a personal decision about this and it's a spectrum.
And so I don't fault the guy for getting the vaccine to go see his kids.
It broke his heart.
Like it tore him up because he didn't want to do it because he was opposed to it and he hated it.
But they put him in a situation where it was like, see the kids or get, don't, don't get the vaccine.
tim pool
That's how they win.
And that's, this is the big, this is the big challenge.
The logic of it is simple.
Go for someone's children, and you will have a slave.
They win.
jack murphy
But there's no escaping it.
There's that guy.
luke rudkowski
There's multiple options.
There's multiple ways of trying to go through the system with the system not looking.
I'm not advocating for any illegal activities, but if there's a will, there's a way.
Compliance isn't the easiest way.
It's going to be the easiest way for the moment, but in the long term, it's going to be the most difficult way for everyone else, including that person who, you know, compromised his morals to comply with the
state.
So there's many different ways around a different issue.
jack murphy
Compromise one element of his morals to honor the rest of his morals.
luke rudkowski
I don't, again, I don't agree with that kind of argument.
There's many different avenues that people could walk down that doesn't include compliance that could still allow him to see his children in many different ways and many different avenues.
And I think you should explore all of those options until there's not an option possible.
jack murphy
Flying to, what, like fake vaccine cards and things like this?
luke rudkowski
Again, I'm not here to advocate any of that.
I think advocating that is even a felony under the FBI.
tim pool
I mean, there's human rights legal proceedings.
He could get a lawyer, he could file lawsuits, he could say, I will not, you know,
the government can't mandate a medical procedure and take my kids from me.
luke rudkowski
Meet in another country, have a mediator come in and say, hey, okay, let's go meet in Egypt,
or let's go meet in Turkey, let's go meet somewhere nearby and establish
that we're gonna be doing this in some sort of way that doesn't infringe on my values and morals.
jack murphy
Dad assumes that he has a cooperative ex-wife.
luke rudkowski
Okay, but you know, there's... Well, hold on.
tim pool
You bring up an ex-wife.
Now we're talking about two civil parties and a government entity.
So it's much different from an individual versus the government when there's a civil case between two individuals.
jack murphy
Sure.
My point is, is that there's a spectrum and it's hard.
And there's a decision to be made at some point.
And the fact that the decision exists is a symptom of the problem, not a contributor to the problem.
tim pool
It's actually, there is something more simple.
If everyone said no, there wouldn't be a problem.
The problem is that people bend the knee.
unidentified
If you're the 1% left resisting, you've got no one with you.
tim pool
And that's why I've always been the kind of person that says I would rather live in a van down by the river than compromise.
luke rudkowski
The only way this is ever going to end is if people stop complying.
You cannot comply your way out of tyranny.
I said this a couple weeks ago.
It's impossible.
It's impossible because they're going to keep pushing it.
They're going to keep asking for more and more.
tim pool
The NBA has mandated boosters.
The NBA has told all players, coaches, and referees that you have to have a booster shot if you got the Johnson & Johnson after two months and the Pfizer & Moderna after six months.
Obviously, this was coming.
We knew this was going to happen.
And now, the CDC has already said weeks ago they may change the definition of fully vaccinated.
Of course they're going to.
So it's only going to get worse.
And you look at the inflation, you look at the food shortages, you look at the price of a turkey this year, it's insane.
Doubled.
luke rudkowski
They're calling it meat-flation that's happening right now.
tim pool
Bacon's up 20%.
So the people who said, I gotta prioritize feeding my kid, congratulations.
By complying, you have taken the food out of their mouths.
Yeah, short-term gains for long-term sacrifices Sacrificing the future of your children because it's easier
now Look you take a look at the at the long hard road and way
off in the distance You see paradise and you take a look at the short trip over
the bridge and the bridge collapse and you end up getting washed away
Sometimes you people got to realize that life is not easy life
It's not fair and it takes hard work and you have to you have to face the challenges head-on
Because when you take the easy route You make everything worse.
Not always, but often.
luke rudkowski
Predominantly, especially.
It's never easy, it's never an easy... Whenever you do something cheap, Uh, I think that's the way of describing this.
It's going to come back and haunt you.
And when more and more people comply, I mean, people complied in Israel.
They just said, we'll do anything.
We'll go along with the vaccine passports.
We'll get vaccinated.
Everything will be fine.
The government said, well, well, well, no, now you need a booster shot.
Now we need a third shot.
Now they're even talking about a fourth shot.
So with him complying and saying, yes, I'll, I'll go by your rules.
I'll go by the fourth shot.
tim pool
Fourth shot's already official for immunocompromised.
luke rudkowski
So they're not mandated a part of the official passport system, which they will be implementing very soon.
And then the fifth shot.
And then then we're talking about what hepatitis shots or University of Denver has already mandated flu shots.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
Compliance test.
tim pool
My favorite was the Yahoo News story said NBA recommends boosters for all, you know, referees and everything.
And then later on, it said, if you don't do it, you'll be subject to all the same restrictions, blah, blah, blah.
So it's a mandate.
jack murphy
There was a really cool guy from the NBA at the National Conservativism Conference, as a matter of fact, Isaac Judah, Orlando Magic, sixth pick overall.
This is like big time player, right?
And he came and sat on stage with Dave Rubin.
unidentified
Whoa.
jack murphy
Yeah, dude.
NBA, 6'11".
Look, look, look, look.
Isaac Judah.
tim pool
Seeing people like Kyrie Irving, Aaron Rodgers, people who are willing to speak out and stand up for what they believe in, this is fantastic.
Now, Aaron Rodgers apparently lied about his, you know, immunization or whatever.
And I, he should have spoken up and just been true and honest from the get-go.
But I think when we start seeing celebrities and athletes speak out in defense of individual liberties, individual rights, that's a good thing.
That's an amazing thing.
And we need to encourage more of it.
jack murphy
It was amazing to see him at the conference.
And I'll admit, I thought that the crowd was just a little too excited.
The fact that there was like an African American guy there.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait.
luke rudkowski
But that's every conservative conference these days.
unidentified
They're like, there's a black guy and he agrees with us on some things.
Yes!
We're not racists!
jack murphy
I mean, that's, you know, that's the vibe, right?
tim pool
I've not been in a conference like that.
jack murphy
That guy was super well-spoken, very intelligent, and made his case very articulately about his natural immunity, etc.
luke rudkowski
Well, the media attacked him viciously because he wasn't going along.
And he did a whole press conference where he addressed this entire matter and brought up points very eloquently and was talking about all the scientific issues that actually mattered.
Everyone was like, I wish this guy was Dr. Fauci.
Because he explained scientific terms in such an easy, simple way that made a lot of people understand his position.
And they stopped attacking him because of the way that he approached this situation without getting angry, without attacking, without yelling, without freaking out, and just said, okay, here, let me just explain myself calmly, rationally.
And because of that, they stopped attacking him.
He's still playing.
unidentified
Something we've brought up a lot.
tim pool
There are a lot of celebrities that watch your show.
They message me.
jack murphy
Definitely.
tim pool
There's a lot of famous athletes, actors, musicians.
And unfortunately, they always say the same thing, I won't speak up.
jack murphy
Right, exactly.
tim pool
And I'm like, dude, you're who needs to speak up.
You got two million followers.
Make a post.
Look at look at Demi Lovato.
She's she became an ambassador for Gaia.
And now they're attacking her saying she's like, it's a conspiracy website.
And it's like, it's a yoga and like, holistic health, like forum or something.
They're just anyone that tries to deviate from the control of the corporate establishment is smeared.
Anybody.
jack murphy
Here's a question for you.
I don't know the answer.
Did George Washington pay the stamp tax?
unidentified
I don't know.
No idea.
jack murphy
If the answer is yes, then all this stuff, we can just throw this whole argument in the trash.
lydia smith
Because he complied?
jack murphy
Because he complied.
Because he waited until the right moment to make his move.
Anybody out there?
Did George Washington pay the stamp tax?
Did Sam Adams pay the tea tax?
Did they pay the tax on the tea before the tea party?
Let's get this answer, because that could put this question to bed.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, but Jack, you're not making any moves.
jack murphy
What do you mean?
luke rudkowski
Well, the argument is like, you just got to comply, comply, and then, and then go against.
jack murphy
1965, dude.
Or 1765, right?
Give me nine years.
Let's see.
tim pool
Nine years.
jack murphy
Or 11, actually.
tim pool
You know, the big difference is though, is that communicating took months.
jack murphy
So if you were... It took 11 years.
tim pool
Well, if you were a rep in Virginia, communicating with New York about revolutionary ideas, Sure, it took a couple weeks to send a letter, sure.
But so the actual conversation could be months unless you came down for a special meeting in Philadelphia or something.
jack murphy
I would love to know if any of our founding fathers, Thomas Jefferson, Hamilton, if any of those guys paid the stamp tax at any point in their life.
Because if they did, let's talk about it.
tim pool
Why don't we just Google it?
jack murphy
I just tried.
It didn't come up.
luke rudkowski
Jack, you're just trying to justify compliance.
It's not going to work.
jack murphy
I haven't taken the vaccine.
My kids haven't taken the vaccine.
I don't know why everybody's giving me a effing hard time about having a conversation for people in America that are struggling with this issue.
I am not vaccinated, everybody.
luke rudkowski
Well, Jack, I appreciate the conversation.
I think it's an important one.
I'm happy we were able to have one.
jack murphy
That's why I wasn't here last week, two weeks ago, when I got the call that Cass Castle was under attack by the coronavirus.
I was like, I'm not going because I don't have the vaccine.
tim pool
Well, to be fair, we didn't know for sure at the time.
jack murphy
I know, but Lydia was like, everybody's sick, dude.
tim pool
Sorry.
And here's one of the problems with the testing mandate is we had four tests be negative.
So we were like, tests cleared us, we're good, it's probably a cold.
And then it turns out, you know.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
So, you know, a cursory glance at the Stamp Act just mentions that the colonists viewed it as a violation of their rights.
They protested it.
unidentified
But as to whether or not they were paying it... Good question.
luke rudkowski
So you're saying that with the Boston Tea Party, they should have, you know, complied and not done anything?
jack murphy
Is that what you're saying?
What I'm saying is that there's a matrix to make decisions as to whether this action is going to have the desired outcome.
Or if it's only going to be deleterious to yourself or harmful to yourself, there's a lot to consider.
And not everybody, even the most venerated people in our history, the people you would call patriots, the people that founded this country, I bet you they didn't resist every single moment of tyranny before they finally had had enough.
And actually like the things that they revolted over in some cases.
I have an answer for you.
Benjamin Franklin actually suggested the appointment of John Hughes as the agent for Pennsylvania to be a stamp distributor, not aware of the turmoil that the tax would create between American-British relations.
It's just an interesting historical question.
tim pool
I have an answer for you.
What?
Benjamin Franklin actually suggested the appointment of John Hughes as the agent for Pennsylvania
to implement the stamp, to be a stamp distributor, not aware of the turmoil that the tax would
create between American-British relations.
To simplify, when the act was implemented, people had to actually engage with it before
they understood it was bad and then reject it.
So it seems like what happened was the government said, we're implementing this.
A bunch of political leaders were like, okay.
And then they started talking about it.
And then over time, because communication was slower back then, people started protesting in the streets.
For like five years, there were protests over this.
So once people were impacted by it, understood the ramifications, they started rejecting it.
jack murphy
But did they pay the stamp tax in the meantime while they were protesting it?
tim pool
I think the fair... During the protests, probably not.
Probably what happened was... And again, this is speculation.
jack murphy
I know, totally.
We should get a historian on here to talk about this.
tim pool
But what I can say is, initially, they did pay it.
And what likely happened is they gradually began not paying it as the protests expanded.
So as opposition grew, people said, I won't comply.
But that is to say, that means People who want the vaccines and believe in the mandates, of course, will comply.
But that also means that people who protest and oppose it would not comply.
jack murphy
Interesting historical question.
I'd love to dig deeper on that.
tim pool
You know what I want to dig deeper on?
I want to talk about Alec Baldwin.
unidentified
There we go.
Let's do it.
Kapow!
We love subtle transitions.
tim pool
So, I mean, look, we're talking about trials.
We're talking about Rittenhouse.
We're talking about... There's a bunch of trials, actually.
The Ahmaud Arbery case is going on.
We have more information on the Alec Baldwin case.
A Rust crew member, this is the movie, Rust is the name of the film, where Alec Baldwin shot and killed that woman.
He is suing Alec Baldwin and the set armorer for severe emotional distress over shooting.
The Independent is reporting, Fatal Scene did not require Baldwin to pull trigger lawsuit claims.
It's a claim of a lawsuit of somebody who's trying to make money.
So I don't know that it's true.
A lot of people are saying, why would an electrician have, you know, key details in that regard?
The Independent reports, A Rust crew member who held the dying Helena Hutchins in his arms has sued Alec Baldwin, armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, and assistant director Dave Halls for severe emotional distress over the shooting.
Head electrician Sergei Svetnoy alleges in the lawsuit that the scene in which Ms.
Hutchins was killed did not call for Mr. Baldwin to fire the weapon, which she had been told was cold.
Mr. Baldwin is sued in both his capacity as an actor and a producer of the Western movie, which has been shut down as investigations into the death continues.
Mr. Savetnoy claims in the court papers that the bullet that killed Mrs. Hutchins also struck director Joel Soza, almost hit him as well, according to TMZ.
He states that he is suing Mr. Baldwin because the star owed a duty to the plaintiff and other crew members and actors on the Rust set to handle the Colt revolver provided to him by defendant Halls with reasonable care and diligence for the safety of the Rust cast and crew.
They go on to say, quote, This duty called for defendant Baldwin to double-check the Colt revolver with Halls upon being handled to ensure it did not contain live ammunition, court papers state.
The lawsuit also claims the fatal scene did not require Baldwin to pull the gun's trigger, with the script instructing him to draw the weapon and point it in the general direction of the camera.
But, quote, the scene did not call for the defendant Baldwin to shoot the Colt revolver.
My understanding is that the Colt revolver, especially a piece from this era, would be single action, not double action.
Someone commented on this yesterday.
Which means, and actually I have a single action, you have to actually pull the hammer back before it can be fired.
The question then emerges, If we're assuming this lawsuit is correct, the electrician's claims as a witness and someone involved in the crew is right, maybe he's disgruntled.
Maybe he was a disgruntled crew member.
Maybe he's lying.
I don't know.
The first question we have to ask is, why did Alec Baldwin pull the hammer back on the gun, point it at an individual?
Why weren't there safety protocols in place?
Why did he pull the trigger?
I think, as I stated yesterday, we didn't do a full segment on this, which is why this story came out four hours ago and I thought it was important to bring up.
We've been giving him the benefit of the doubt the whole time for no reason.
I'm not saying I know what happened.
I'm saying the media has protected Alec Baldwin and framed this whole story so that from the get-go we assumed it was an accident.
They first said it was a blank.
They said it was a misfire, which is the wrong terminology.
They said Shrapnel hit the producer, uh, the cinematographer, killing her.
We know all of that's not true now.
And this is witness testimony.
Granted, this guy's suing, but it's still someone who was on the crew who's making a statement and saying this is what happened and what was supposed to happen.
In which case, the facts we have to start.
Alec Baldwin drew a gun.
Pulled the hammer back, pointed it at the cinematographer, at the camera with the cinematographer standing there, fired the gun with a live bullet in it.
In order to assume that was an accident, we'd have to make a ton of assumptions.
jack murphy
He was mad.
He had motive.
Sounds like it, right?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Those are also more assumptions.
However, in the absence of evidence, the solution that makes the least amount of assumptions tends to be the correct one.
Not that we know definitively.
Not that we can say for sure.
But I'm just pointing out it is logically absurd to begin the story as if we believe it was a mistake.
jack murphy
Well, what's very clear is that Alec Baldwin has a very skilled team of PR people that has been rolling this out bit by bit, manipulating the narrative, seeding things in our mind, much the way an interrogator will get you to say yes and lead you places, plant things out there.
Very concerted effort, which, you know, even if it were an accident, they would do the same thing, right?
If it was a total accident, he would definitely hire a crisis management team.
They would definitely be doing everything that they're doing.
But the way that things are coming out bit by bit by bit now, and when you really put it like that, you know, he pulls back, pulls back the action, points it at the guy, pulls, shoots.
And doesn't he have a history of going off on people?
tim pool
Remember he just attacked a guy in New York over a parking space?
ian crossland
The armor, I think she was claiming that people were afraid of Alec on set, basically.
If they were like, hey, it's too dangerous, you can't do that, Alec would flip his lid and fire the person on the spot.
jack murphy
Didn't he leave some nasty voicemail for his own daughter or something, calling her the worst names in the world and being an absolute monster?
ian crossland
He's trash, dude.
Do you remember, uh, did you see the video of him and his wife?
jack murphy
They got out of the car.
ian crossland
They were getting chased by, like, paparazzi.
They got out of the car to talk, and it was, like, last week.
There's a video of it.
And he's like, she was my friend!
And then he realized, like, I didn't say it with enough emotion.
I gotta repeat myself.
She was my friend.
Like, he's such an actor.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, most actors go crazy.
tim pool
Let me, let me, we got this from your side today.
Alec Baldwin sues man who accused actor of punching him over a parking spot in New York.
He sues the guy.
lydia smith
So everyone thought that Tim was crazy when Tim came up with this idea that it's possible this wasn't an accident, right?
tim pool
But it's not even me coming up with an idea, it's me saying, why are you making assumptions that this was an accident?
lydia smith
I know.
We all know that Alec Baldwin is a huge jerk and he always has been.
So there's no reason to assume that this was an accident.
unidentified
There's no reason to assume that there's no... What grace has he built up?
jack murphy
What benefit of the doubt has he built up?
He is the equivalent of the N-word guy at the gas station at this point.
lydia smith
Dude, from the beginning, everyone was like, we have to be nice to Alec Baldwin.
This must be very hard for him.
I was like, do you think for one single second that if this were to happen to someone, for example, like James Woods, that he would be compassionate and graceful?
He would be on Twitter before the body was cold.
Complaining about gun laws.
luke rudkowski
He went trick-or-treating afterwards and was taking, you know, selfies and photos dressed up as a guy in a costume.
tim pool
I pulled up the video of the parking lot incident and it shows Alec, he like shoves the guy in the shoulder.
So he says it disproves the claim that, you know, he punched him.
This is going back to 2018.
I think it's still an important point to make that Alec Baldwin is a hothead.
Like Ian was pointing out, people were scared of him on the set.
People had complained about what was going on.
And I think we could even ignore all of that and just take some basic facts.
A woman died.
How did she die?
She was shot.
We're gonna walk backwards.
She was shot.
How did she get shot?
An individual fired a gun at her.
The individual was armed with what I believe was a single-action revolver, likely .45 caliber, because it's a Western.
He pointed the gun at her, pulled the hammer back, pulled the trigger.
Okay, why did he do it?
Well, according to one witness, the scene did not call for him to actually pull the hammer back and pull the trigger, but he did anyway.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So then why would he have pulled the trigger?
Well, then we start getting into the crew disputes, the hot-headedness of the character.
I don't understand why it's logical in any capacity to say he accidentally pulled a live firearm with a bullet, pulled the hammer back and shot a woman, and be like, but let's figure out how many, how we can justify it as an accident.
No, you made a good point about crisis management.
This dude's very wealthy.
Very likely, his PR firm immediately, as soon as it happened, started saying, we need stories saying this.
They probably seeded false information.
It was a misfire, it was a blank.
Why?
To create the narrative of an accident first.
And we walked into that.
The first thing we said was it was an accident.
Then we learned it was a live bulletin.
We said, wow, how did that happen?
That's a crazy accident.
And then I stopped and thought to myself, So I have to assume a woman, an armorer, who's trained with firearms, accidentally loaded a live round, gave it to an assistant director who didn't check it, but claimed it was cold, gave it to Alec Baldwin, who wasn't supposed to pull the trigger, who then pulls the trigger, and all of that is true for me to continue the accident narrative.
jack murphy
Okay, I dude, I don't like Alec Baldwin, even though he's just a tremendous actor, which just bothers me.
Him and Glenn Cleary, Glenn Ross is like one of the most powerful scenes in film.
It's a good movie.
So good.
But the alternative, and I'm just playing devil's advocate, all you a-holes out there that are going to say that I'm Alec Baldwin.
luke rudkowski
They love you in the comment section, by the way.
jack murphy
No, they hate me in the comment section.
And there's bots in there running on me.
Quit reading the comments.
luke rudkowski
I love the comment section.
unidentified
I love you guys.
luke rudkowski
You guys are incredible.
jack murphy
The alternative is, is what?
That he came up with a way to murder this woman?
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that's too many assumptions.
It's simple.
Hot-headed Alec Baldwin shot a woman.
That's it.
ian crossland
So I think someone put the bullet in the gun.
Sabotage the set.
It's just an assumption, but it's like, if I have to make one, it's gonna be that one.
tim pool
They've made that accusation.
ian crossland
And I don't have to make one.
tim pool
Crew members have argued it was intentional sabotage on Alec Baldwin's part.
However, if I'm going to make the least amount of assumptions, it's Alec Baldwin shot and killed a woman.
ian crossland
Well, for sure, that's the truth.
That's not even an assumption.
tim pool
That's a fact.
ian crossland
Alec Baldwin pulled back the hammer, pointed the gun, and pulled the trigger at a woman.
tim pool
Motive is, this is a guy who's known to be a hothead, who screamed at his own daughter, who shoved a guy over a parking space.
I'm not trying to argue that he's a rage-filled monster, but that he has a temper.
So if we're going to look at how this woman died, Do I assume the armorer who's trained in firearms accidentally loaded a live bullet, then gave it to a second person who claimed to have checked it but didn't, who gave it to Alec Baldwin, who is trained for decades with firearms, who didn't check it, or do I say, there was a producer dispute with the crew over the conditions on the set, and then the guy who's running, one of the producers, shoots a woman!
jack murphy
There's a lot of things that are very difficult to believe in each of these scenarios.
They're all incredible.
Like, wow.
How are any of these possible?
ian crossland
They're doing live target practice on the set.
They're probably getting hammered the night before, coming in all wasted.
unidentified
The girl doesn't even know what she's doing, the armor.
tim pool
But why would you assume that?
ian crossland
She said she's 24.
She was like, I'm not comfortable in this job.
She was doing two jobs at once on the set.
But it's like, you can't say it to Alec because he'll fire you on the spot.
tim pool
I think it's crazy to assume that the one person who was not treating the gun properly was the one person whose job it is to treat the gun properly.
You know what I mean?
jack murphy
Right.
tim pool
The armorer is the expert on set.
Why would I assume she made the mistake and resulted in a person dying instead of Alec Baldwin who pulled the trigger?
jack murphy
They all made a mistake.
So you think that she handed over a gun that had a blank in it and Alec Baldwin inserted a live round in between receiving the handgun and discharging it?
tim pool
If we're going to start with all of the facts laid in front of us, it is, in my opinion, slightly more probable that Alec Baldwin loaded the gun and shot.
ian crossland
No.
Than some begruntled crew member that walked off?
jack murphy
So the crew member... Is there a chain of possession?
tim pool
The armorer, Hannah Gutierrez... Do they have to sign for it and stuff?
I don't know.
jack murphy
Yeah, I wonder.
lydia smith
Imagine, right?
tim pool
I'm not saying it's likely.
I'm not saying it's true.
I'm just saying, why would I assume the armorer made a mistake, the assistant director failed to check it, and then Alec Baldwin, for no reason, pulled the trigger at a woman?
jack murphy
And then add to it, very clearly a skilled PR team is seeding stories, manipulating the media, getting out there.
tim pool
We don't know that for sure.
It's a big assumption.
I think it's likely and fair to say.
My point is, I don't know.
jack murphy
The intent is so objective, it's annoying sometimes.
tim pool
I don't know what happened. I'm just saying that looking at it like a mathematical equation
you have this massive tree of like an Algorithm like a flowchart of all of the things that had to
happen for this insane accident to occur and then over here you have
angry crew Alec Baldwin hothead shot a woman
Like, it's three steps.
It's a guy said, I'm angry with the crew, and then shot a woman.
Versus accident, accident, accident, sabotage, conspiracy, angry crew, and I just... Right.
jack murphy
And we're falling into the trap of trying to apply rational thinking to irrational people doing irrational things.
luke rudkowski
And hotheaded people who have a temper, who act out sometimes.
And we still don't know.
I think we have to wait until the police investigation comes out.
Uh, if they're going to even investigate it properly, if a lot of the investigation wasn't compromised by a lot of his money.
tim pool
The DA said that they know who put the bullet in the gun.
luke rudkowski
Oh, wow.
tim pool
So maybe, look.
lydia smith
Yeah, we'll see.
tim pool
I'm just saying, I feel like a crisis management team likely was involved in seeding stories that were clearly false to create the accident narrative first and then prejudice individuals who read on.
But now you have a guy who has, in a sworn statement, a deposition lawsuit, in a lawsuit saying, the scene did not call for him to fire the gun.
jack murphy
That is big.
luke rudkowski
That's huge.
As soon as I saw that, I was like, this changes a lot.
jack murphy
And there's a little bit of motive.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
jack murphy
Right?
There was disputes, there was contested and such.
tim pool
People were quitting.
They were walking off set.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So imagine you've got hothead Alec Baldwin trying to run a movie where he's a hothead.
People like, you know, Ian mentioned, people were scared they would get fired.
Hannah Gutierrez, I guess, had said that.
Is that what you were saying?
ian crossland
That's what I interpolated from the article I was reading.
jack murphy
But remember too, remember we were talking about this before the show, it is known in the actor community that even a blank can kill somebody.
unidentified
Don't let him in, don't let him in!
jack murphy
My nose is always itching when I'm in here.
It's known in the actor community, and Alec was an actor then, a young actor put a blank to his head and killed himself by accident thinking it was a blank and that it wasn't gonna kill him.
So it's known in Hollywood that blanks can be lethal.
ian crossland
That's John Eric Hexum.
tim pool
Hexum.
And again, Alec Baldwin has decades of action movie experience.
There was already a witness who testified that they worked with Alec Baldwin and he knows not only standard gun protocol safety but on-set gun safety and he violated.
So Alec Baldwin For this accident to have occurred, slipped his mindstandard gun safety, slipped his mindstandard protocol, pulled the trigger on a gun in a scene that didn't call for it, was handed a gun by a guy who claims to have checked it but didn't, by a woman who accidentally put a live bullet in it and didn't check.
That's insane to assume all of those things are true.
ian crossland
They were apparently doing live target practice on downtime on set.
And then they're like, no, no, people are denying that they were doing it at all.
But they're like, dude, there's live ammo all over the set.
They were going out and shooting at cans between takes.
unidentified
Yeesh.
tim pool
I don't know.
We'll see.
I have a feeling nothing bad's gonna happen to all of the chain.
Did he say anything beforehand?
ian crossland
The shooter's gotta get charged, the production team has gotta get charged, the armorer and the assistant director all need to be charged in this.
tim pool
I was reading legal analysis over basic questions and it seems like, based on the facts we have that have been released, whatever the claims are, involuntary manslaughter is...
The fact that it is standard safety protocol not to point a weapon at someone and pull the trigger, the fact that he didn't check when he had the opportunity to do so, means someone died at his hand.
It was an accident, but he's responsible.
Involuntary manslaughter.
jack murphy
I'm waiting for all the articles to come out to say Alec Baldwin is a white supremacist who's obviously leaning on his white privilege for having killed this person.
luke rudkowski
A woman!
jack murphy
Who was probably a person, she was a woman, so she was definitely a person of color.
tim pool
Well, no, she was Ukrainian.
She was.
Absolutely.
As we know, the Coalition for Communities of Color have said Slavic people are people of color.
unidentified
That's right.
jack murphy
So Alec Baldwin killed a colored person.
lydia smith
Yeah, there you go.
tim pool
Person of color, that's... Sorry.
jack murphy
Oh, you can't say colored person.
lydia smith
No, no, no.
jack murphy
My bad.
tim pool
It is person of color.
unidentified
Sorry.
All right, all right.
tim pool
Let's do Super Chats.
If you haven't already, smash the like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and go to TimCast.com.
Become a member.
We're going to have a members-only segment coming up later tonight.
But let's read what y'all have to say in the Super Chats.
Kevin Robson says, don't get brazen with me!
That's right.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Someone took the meme, you know, the 4chan meme where it's like, if only you knew how bad things really are.
They took that and changed bad to brazen and put it over the judge.
And it said, if only you knew how brazen things really are.
I thought that was really good.
Yeah.
A lot of people are making snarky comments about what happened in Kenosha, which I can't read.
luke rudkowski
Tucker Carlson had a really snarky one that's going viral right now.
Oh, so good.
unidentified
What is it?
tim pool
You can't read it?
lydia smith
I don't know.
unidentified
It's spicy.
Read it after.
luke rudkowski
It hits hard.
unidentified
It's so good.
lydia smith
It's amazing.
tim pool
Alright, well, maybe in the bonus, in the after show.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
All right, Mick G says, Hey Tim, can you give more insight on the Fact Checker nonprofit?
What's needed for the position?
I deal with language and social media.
Will you have a meet and greet in Austin?
I'm just down the road.
Uh, we didn't really plan to do an event in Austin, but our plan is once a month we'll, we're going to have the mobile studio in different cities for different events.
And then Friday night we'll do a live venue performance or show.
So basically we'll set up a studio on a stage somewhere and then do Timcast IRL Friday night with a live audience.
unidentified
Nice.
tim pool
Yeah, it's going to be fun.
So that's the goal.
We're not doing it for Austin.
But as for the non-profit, one of the big challenges with forming a non-profit is that we did it at the end of the year, which means that we're still awaiting approval from the IRS for tax-exempt status.
The entities exist.
We have the Truth in Media Foundation, and we have the ON Foundation, which is technology.
I've talked to some potential donors who want to help fund the nonprofits and their mission, but they're like, if I donate now, it's not tax deductible until next month.
So we basically have to wait about a month and a half.
January 1st, we can then take donations, start hiring, and things like that.
So that's probably when things will kick off.
As for the job, it is required that you know how to do research.
And we're probably going to have, I think, three people start at the nonprofit.
The goal is to issue ratings on news organizations and also issue general fact checks.
So we'll have a consistent, like, here's fact checks.
We're going to apply through Pointer for Facebook status and all that stuff like normal.
And we're going to fact check anybody.
We'll fact check Snopes.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
What we're going to do is something unique that people don't do.
It's called frame checking.
Did this organization omit key context in their fact check or their news assessment?
CNN, for instance, in their story about Kyle Rittenhouse, would get a strike saying, falsely framed.
In the full testimony, here's what was said.
CNN has created a false frame, yadda yadda yadda.
jack murphy
What are you going to do when the nonprofit you start to turn on you, like the Intercept did on Glenn?
tim pool
Don't manifest that.
It's only going to be like three employees though.
And it's simple.
I'll fire them.
The thing about the Intercept was that Glenn got investment and didn't have full control over the company.
So when they went off the rails, he was like, I guess I have no choice but to quit.
jack murphy
Gotcha.
tim pool
For this, it's gonna be, like, three people, and if someone starts violating journalistic ethics, we'll just be like, you aren't violating journalistic ethics.
You're fired.
jack murphy
Gotcha.
tim pool
Yeah.
So we'll see.
You know, we'll see how things go.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, happy Marine Corps birthday to all my fellow brother and sister devildogs out there.
May we all find the clearing at the end of the path.
Semper Fi.
Right on.
Oh, this is good.
Bandana Companion says, hey, Tim, did you know that YouTube is taking out the dislike counter on videos?
Yes.
And it's obviously just for Joe Biden.
luke rudkowski
And Dr. Fauci, whose documentary had, I think, 128,000 dislikes.
Here's what's going to happen.
tim pool
All that's going to happen is people are going to be like, this video has a million views and only 10 likes.
Which clearly means it's ratioed.
They're not doing anything by getting rid of the dislike button.
This is stupid.
And it clearly only impacts Biden and Fauci.
luke rudkowski
And major corporations that try to shill on major bullcrap by being disingenuous.
jack murphy
But are they going to disable its impact on the algorithm, though?
That's the question.
tim pool
No, it's still going to be there.
I think you can still see it in the back end.
So on your videos you can see it.
luke rudkowski
But this is so pointless.
Creators could disable that feature if they want to disable it.
So this whole ruse that it's for people's protection is nonsense.
ian crossland
Can you disable just one of the like, just the down like?
luke rudkowski
I think it's the like and the dislike all together you could totally get rid of.
tim pool
Here's a, we have a really important super chat, but I can't read Cyrillic, so I'm going to pretend that the Cyrillic is English, and it says, E-B-R-E-M, E-B-R-E-N, backwards N, backwards N, A-N-I-C, C-A-H-A, P-O-B.
I can't read Cyrillic, whatever.
They said, about pinch-to-zoom, even simple linear interpolation can create false details in an image, but Apple doesn't use simple interpolation.
They've got machine learning support in hardware in 2017, see Apple Neural Engine, and it can do weird things, just Google Obama depixel.
There are people posting images of how zooming in on like iPhones or whatever can make your image warp and look really weird.
So the defense in the Rittenhouse case said, The prosecutor tried to bring in evidence by zooming in on an iPad and he says, no, no, no, no, they use, he said, AI 3D logarithms, which I should not have made fun of the boomer guy for not understanding what he was talking about.
But he pointed that out.
And then the judge, I think, agreed and said, bring in an expert to prove that's not happening and I'll allow it.
And they were like, how are we supposed to do that?
And the judge was like, you can't admit evidence unless you can prove it's like real evidence.
The Raketa Law crew, when they were streaming, said the fact that they would try and zoom in in real time instead of zooming in first, then giving it to a forensic expert, and then admitting it as evidence is absurd.
That's what they should do.
You shouldn't zoom in during court.
You should take it home, zoom in, print it, submit it for evidence to be approved, and then have the zoomed-in image.
jack murphy
Right.
You keep handing him the phone and it's locked.
And he's like, I gotta redo my passcode.
tim pool
A lot of people saying happy birthday to the Marines.
So I'll just shut that out.
Alex Barturin asks about yesterday's IRL episode.
I will simply say if an episode does not appear on YouTube, it will be on Rumble.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So there's there's, you know, obvious reasons that happens.
But sometimes, you know, we've got to put stuff up on Rumble.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
Strangely, a lot of our biggest podcast ever was Darren Beattie.
And it was one that we put on Rumble.
It got millions of views.
I think it's also, there's an opportunity there because Rumble is a core audience.
It's very active individuals.
So if there's a prominent podcast, everyone on Rumble will watch it.
So there's benefits to when we put it up on Rumble.
jack murphy
Revolver drives big traffic, too.
lydia smith
Definitely.
Yeah.
tim pool
Right.
So when he's posting the video, too, we definitely get traffic.
Trey Marx says Drew Hernandez is apparently one of the next people testifying, so there's another eyewitness account of the attacks on Kyle.
And I will just say, I won't get into too many details, but Drew Hernandez is a strong-minded individual.
He's gonna have a clear memory, he's gonna know the details, and he's gonna be confident in his assessment.
lydia smith
It'll take no nonsense.
tim pool
No nonsense.
So when the prosecution tries to play manipulative games, I don't think that'll work on someone like Drew Hernandez who's going to be of sound mind and mental fortitude to explain, here's what I saw, here's what happened.
And then when they try and say, but don't you think?
No, here's what I saw, here's what happened.
But isn't it possible?
No.
Here's what I saw here.
Like Richie McGinnis did.
jack murphy
That was awesome.
tim pool
Yeah.
When he was like, everything you're saying is guesswork.
And then Richie goes, well, he said F you and then reach for the gun.
That was amazing.
Like I, it's not about whether, um, Kyle's right or wrong.
It's about, you know, in this instance, I'm referring to journalists who know what they saw, know what they have to say and will not be manipulated by prosecutors or defense.
jack murphy
You know, I was just listening to the interview I did with Richie and BG on the scene about all this.
I did it with them earlier this summer and or gosh last year.
I can't remember now and he he said very clearly that he couldn't he wasn't going to give any opinions as to motive when he was talking to me and that he was going to be a witness in the case and that all he was there to do was to give testimony as to what happened factually.
And Richie has held true to that from then all the way through, all the way up until that moment right there on the stand.
So kudos to you, Richie McGinnis, man.
Awesome.
tim pool
I posted a funny video.
People were saying it was a flex, but I thought it was, I was, you know, poking fun at YouTube.
So I guess Crowder shot up his gold plaque or whatever.
Is that what he did?
Did he do that?
unidentified
Yeah, he did.
ian crossland
We were just talking about that.
tim pool
So I put up a video.
I put up a video where the window over there would not stay open.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
And I legit was like trying to open the window to get some circulation because we're getting work done in the AC unit.
The ventilation was shut off and it wouldn't stay open.
And I looked over and I saw I have a golden play button.
You know, you get when you get a million subscribers.
And so the point is I was disrespecting it.
Not that I was flexing, that I'm disrespecting YouTube.
So I was like, oh, here we go.
And I just prop it in the window to keep the window open.
ian crossland
Utility.
tim pool
I thought that was the... Some people were like, look at that, he's flexing, like he's got this goal.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
I'm disrespecting it.
It's in the window.
It's being used as a window prop.
It's a great prop.
It's perfect.
I mean, we have one on the wall or whatever.
jack murphy
Well, because there's more than one, Tim.
unidentified
There's four.
tim pool
There are four of them.
Actually, we have like eight, I think.
ian crossland
I won't put it on the wall till we get to 2 million subscribers.
So subscribe.
tim pool
Yeah, Ian is a man of principle.
He said it's not fair that he would get this because he joined the show and we had like, what, 300?
unidentified
700?
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
No, I think we had like four.
ian crossland
It was later.
It was like above 500k.
I thought we'd have to check the tape.
tim pool
Whenever we hit a milestone, I get everybody on the show.
jack murphy
How many subs do you think you had in February when I came on First Guest?
tim pool
The First Guest?
Oh dude, we had like 180.
Like 100,000.
Because the channel already had 70 as soon as we started.
Because I was tweeting it.
I was posting it on YouTube because I had other videos on it.
And then within like a month, we had like 100.
jack murphy
It was just you and me that day.
ian crossland
It's just you and me.
tim pool
So the show has evolved.
Now Luke's here.
ian crossland
It really picked up steam in August to November of 2020.
It got hot in those four months.
September was a massive increase.
tim pool
October to November was the biggest.
ian crossland
It got hot in those like four months.
tim pool
It was September was a massive increase.
October was huge and then November was, October to November was the biggest.
jack murphy
I was here even for the millionth subscriber episode as well.
tim pool
We were getting like 150,000 concurrence during the election.
I mean, it was crazy.
ian crossland
I remember.
tim pool
The party we had.
Everybody appreciate you watching, man.
ian crossland
Was it the New Year's Eve party or did we have the election party?
That was incredible.
We should do that again.
lydia smith
That was really fun.
tim pool
During the midterms, we should.
Yes, we should do that.
What we did during the election day was we had so many people here and people would just come in and take a seat.
jack murphy
Seamus was running things for a hot minute.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
Shim cast.
jack murphy
He took the steering wheel.
Didn't let go either.
tim pool
I gotta read this one.
It's good.
S. Snork says, Been watching for so long.
I miss the old stream starting Jif.
I finally got to donate.
I also got a Step On Snack shirt, which I can't wait to get.
As a gay furry, I feel very isolated in my political views.
This is a great place to relax and feel sane.
LOL.
And you know what?
I want to read that because I don't care who you are, what you believe, how you want to live, whatever.
We're trying to just be honest in our assessment and not be...
Not judge people who want to live the way they want to live.
I mean, that's why I think it's crazy that they say that we're conservative and I think it's a political tactic because we're actually fairly progressive on social issues.
We are just not as far left as they are.
Not everybody, I know Lydia's conservative.
lydia smith
Yeah, I'm definitely not.
tim pool
But this is like a mixed bag of, I mean like, you know, one of the things you pointed out is that one of the things that allowed you to become, to vote Republican was that Republicans opened up to gay marriage.
jack murphy
That's right.
tim pool
So that's, you know, in a traditional sense for this country, that's actually kind of progressive.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
On social issues.
So we're not staunch conservatives in that regard.
Of course.
We're mostly libertarian.
luke rudkowski
Of course that would be the issue that got Jack.
jack murphy
I don't, I don't understand your insinuation.
luke rudkowski
I mean, no, it's great.
That's awesome.
tim pool
Because Jack believes in liberty and individuals' right to choose and live the lives they want to live.
luke rudkowski
I'm just saying, great job.
unidentified
I can't wait for the special that we do where me and Luke box.
jack murphy
I got boxing gloves, I got pads, I've been shadowboxing a little bit.
How about for February, we could do a charity match.
unidentified
I got, I got, I got a box of gloves.
luke rudkowski
I got pads.
tim pool
I've been shadowbacked a little bit for February.
luke rudkowski
We can do a charity match.
Winner winner's charity gets the whole prize.
tim pool
In January, in January, we're probably going to Nashville.
In March, we're probably going to Florida.
But in February, we don't got any plans.
How about we take the trailer out to, like, Freedomistan and set up a boxing arena?
luke rudkowski
But if you lose, you gotta get a tattoo that says, I love Luke Grodowski on yourself, somewhere on your body.
unidentified
I would take that bet because I don't think you're gonna lose.
luke rudkowski
Take that bet!
jack murphy
There should be some odds for sure.
luke rudkowski
We're not in the same weight limit, first of all, but that doesn't stop me.
jack murphy
I don't know, it looks pretty close.
unidentified
I'm just big boned.
luke rudkowski
Let's read some more Super Chats.
tim pool
All right, Kevin Brady says two things.
Watched the trial and the coverage of this is gross, and I don't see anything getting better.
I sent you an email regarding a cult documentary for up here in Washington State.
I'm a filmmaker.
Oh, interesting.
Well, I will look for it.
ian crossland
It's very refreshing to talk about the case here and to know that there's so many thousands of people listening, because actually this is good.
jack murphy
We want to give more than MSNBC.
ian crossland
Yeah, like legitimate coverage to this court case, I think.
tim pool
It's, it's remarkable to me.
You know, I see the news about MSNBC losing Brian Williams, they're bleeding talents.
You know, Brian's out there is going like, wow, what's happening?
And I'm just like, maybe regular people can only be lied to so many times.
jack murphy
That's true.
I think what's happening with the moms who are being called racist, they're probably sitting around their dining room table also being like, I'm hoping, uh, man, you know, they're calling me racist.
I want, I wonder if all those other people they've been calling racist aren't actually racist, too.
tim pool
Someone tweeted a good point.
I don't remember who it was, but maybe it was you.
I don't know.
They said, it's going to be a major red pill when people who have been following the Rittenhouse trial see how the news covered it.
Maybe it was Ian Milestrong.
But there's probably a lot of regular people who see the see, you know, there have been a few channels that have
been playing it like ABC 7 Chicago is gonna live stream on YouTube. There's probably a lot of people who are
interested, and they're watching the trial. I mean, it is it is interesting for a lot of people to understand what's
going on. And then they read CNN and go, what? I don't know.
lydia smith
I was talking to Steve Hilton last night on the way down here and I was like, you know, most of the people who change their mind about Trump did so because they watched one of his speeches.
Not commentary about his speech, just one of his speeches.
So watching this trial, I think is going to be like a red pill dispensary as well.
Be great.
jack murphy
Luke's over there laughing.
unidentified
You reading the comments, dude?
tim pool
I think there was a really great comment by Cassandra Fairbanks.
She tweeted that at first she thought it was a really bad idea for them to put Kyle Rittenhouse on the stand.
But then she saw him breaking down and she thought to herself, you know, something like, get this baby off the stand as a mother, like, watching him be attacked and he's this young guy.
So maybe that's what their goal was, really.
The reason, uh, people were criticizing the defense for not objecting to the badgering from the prosecution.
But I think maybe the goal was we get him to testify and he does a good job, but he also breaks down and he shows his humility and his fear and remorse and panic.
jack murphy
But the guys on the other side, they all took that as him being, uh, you know, just afraid that he's going to jail because he's admitting, you know, being on the stand and it's becoming clear that he committed murder.
But I want to just point out one thing.
tim pool
Real quick, my point here is not that they're going to convince the left.
It's that the jury, who supposedly has limited information on this, what are they going to see?
A guy crying.
Not necessarily perfect, because he may be crying because he might go to jail, right?
Like you said.
However, the prosecution then badgers him.
And so the jury sees an annoying prosecution that's wasting their time by asking the same question a million times, and they see a defense compassionately speaking with a defendant who's traumatized.
jack murphy
Yeah.
Joe Kent, the congressional candidate from Washington state, he had a really nice tweet today where he said that as a guy who's been in combat, him and his wife who was killed in combat, he said that everyone reacts differently to remembering instances in which you were forced to kill somebody or experiencing this kind of trauma.
And I was just really pleased to see Joe put out such an empathetic leadership to kind of tweet like that, saying that like emotions and trauma and people react to that in different ways.
And we should respect the way that Kyle is reacting to that, because irrespective of his motive, killing somebody is got to be horrible.
ian crossland
And we should also give that to Alec Baldwin.
jack murphy
Yeah, but he's an ass.
tim pool
No, I agree.
I completely, 100% agree.
My thing about Alec Baldwin is just, we should be- Wait, but have we seen him break down and cry in remorse?
ian crossland
That was the first image from LA Times, is him crying on the phone.
tim pool
I don't know if he was crying, but he's like distraught, very much so.
What I'm trying to say is, I approached the Rittenhouse case by talking to the witnesses.
First, I watched the video.
We bring the witnesses in, and we try to the best of our ability to know the facts.
What I'm saying with Alec Baldwin is we must do the same thing.
And if the initial reports of a blank, misfiring, and shrapnel hitting a person are not true, we need to erase from our minds our prejudice, assuming there was an accident, and start with the core facts, and then work our way back from how it happened.
I'm not saying he's guilty.
I'm not saying there's proof that he did anything wrong.
I'm saying just that it's absurd for us to assume it was an accident.
We don't have any reason to believe that.
We just have a story about a guy who pulled out a gun and shot somebody.
jack murphy
We should honor the victim by being open to what the facts and the court says.
tim pool
But the DA says they know who put the bullet in there.
That makes me feel like it was not Alec Baldwin.
jack murphy
Has Alec been arrested?
tim pool
No, but he was instructed not to talk about it by the police, he said.
jack murphy
Well, if they know who put the bullet in there and Alec Baldwin hasn't been arrested, can you make the connection that it's not him?
tim pool
No, because he's high profile and famous and they know it would cause a very big uproar.
And in fact, if they knew who put the bullet in there and it was a crew member, the crew member would be arrested instantly.
In fact, I would argue that no crew member has been arrested when the DA says they know who did it, suggests it was Alec Baldwin.
jack murphy
Interesting.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's why I'm saying, like, we shouldn't make assumptions about the case.
There are assumptions there as well, which is I try to make the least amount.
jack murphy
And we all were influenced by the initial stories.
That's why we're even having this conversation.
So just be ever vigilant.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
All right, Trash Panda says, this trial proves to me that we need a national divorce.
We cannot peacefully exist next to people like Bicep Guy or the prosecutor.
National divorce now before it's too late.
It's a scary prospect, but I understand why more and more people keep saying it, and it's not a right-wing thing.
John Podesta, Boston Globe, reported this, that he said the West Coast should secede from the Union if Trump wins the election.
ian crossland
Podesta's a global hack.
He's like the military-industrial complex in a suit.
Absolutely.
tim pool
But he works on the Clinton campaign.
He worked on the Clinton campaign.
He's a high-profile Democratic operative.
My point is only to say that there are Democratic establishment actors who are calling for the dissolution of the United States.
ian crossland
Yeah.
CCP's doing that too.
tim pool
Absolutely.
And that's why I think it's a bad idea.
I say it's a bad idea on the global scale.
I do think there's a problem when you have leftists who don't care about the truth and want suffering.
They can say whatever they want all day and night about Q people being dumb, but when they're like, I want someone to go to prison for the sake of me feeling good as a winner, I'm like, yo, that's evil.
ian crossland
It's this balance of like having a free society that gives freedom to people that would do the society harm.
And so then they become more authoritarian to protect society from those people and then start protecting it from other people that maybe aren't dangerous.
luke rudkowski
I think dividing it might be the way to cause least amount of harm.
If you want harm reduction, you got to have some kind of civil divorce.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
Mutual defense pact, sure.
But I mean, I was talking about it for years.
It's needed.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
We got John Hutto says, I think a big factor is, as we mentioned, The Young Turks, CNN, MSNBC.
You know Tucker Carlson used to be on MSNBC?
It was a botox.
Crossfire, right?
No, no, no, no.
hour old stories. Their subs left the platform for Reddit and Twitter in 2012. How much money
have they blown on staff and studio? I think a big a big factor is, as we mentioned, the
Young Turks, CNN, MSNBC, you know, you know, Tucker Carlson used to be on MSNBC. It was
jack murphy
a crossfire, right? No, no, no, no. It was his eponymous show. I don't know if it was
tim pool
eponymous, but he was a host on MSNBC.
jack murphy
Yeah.
No, but he hosted a Crossfire type show.
It was great.
tim pool
He did.
He was one of the main guys on, I think it was CNN's Crossfire show.
unidentified
Oh, right, right, right.
tim pool
But he was also, he had a show on MSNBC.
jack murphy
He got fired.
tim pool
Here's what I think happened to the Young Turks.
Why is it that they have 5 million subs, but they're only getting 40,000 views on their videos?
The subs are from a long time ago.
People subscribed to the Young Turks, and then over time as the Young Turks drifted further and further left, many of these people said, I don't care to watch that video anymore.
Not intentionally.
Not like, I hate the Young Turks.
But very simply.
If Cenk Uygur puts up a video saying, War Bad.
You know, Establishment Bad.
Someone clicks that.
I like this video.
Over time, they start putting up more videos saying, Establishment Good.
People will say, I'm not gonna click that video.
They get less views.
But those people already subscribed to the channel.
So you look at like a Crowder, for instance, and he's got, I think 5 million, but he gets like a million, which makes sense, right?
And then we get, we get like 80 to a hundred K on clips from this show with a million subs.
The Young Turks have five times the subs, but you know, a third of the viewership.
I think that's simply because they've been around for a long time and they've churned a large portion of their audience.
And I'm not saying it to be disrespectful.
I just think over time, the rest of it's been disrespectful.
unidentified
Forget that.
ian crossland
I think I subscribed to them in 2007.
You're probably still subscribed.
I'm checking now.
It's slow internet.
tim pool
Not only that, but YouTube props them up.
unidentified
Oh yeah, they do.
luke rudkowski
Very much.
unidentified
Alright, let's see what we got.
tim pool
Johnny Knoxville says Ayanna Pressley got 100,000 retweets calling Rittenhouse a white supremacist.
Defamation.
White supremacist is an opinion and not an actionable statement, unfortunately.
If she said that he went to a white supremacist rally, then... Well, maybe.
Because she could argue that a rally of right-wingers is white supremacist.
That's her opinion.
If she said it was like a Klan rally, something proper and specific, then you could be like, I never did that.
jack murphy
So that Biden tweet where he shows Kyle, or is that doctored?
tim pool
I don't know about that, but let me clarify.
When I was saying if they said he went to a white supremacist rally and he never went to a rally, then it's libelous because he didn't take an action.
If you went to a Trump rally and she said white supremacist rally, it's not actionable because it's her opinion.
Nazi is in fact an opinion as well.
Like if you, I've talked to a bunch of lawyers about this and they're like, everybody knows the word is rather
meaningless.
Everyone calls everybody a Nazi or a fascist, so it's not actionable.
jack murphy
So you could, but today, but like say five, six, eight years ago, it had much different impact.
tim pool
If they say, if someone said like person X is a card carrying member of the Nazi party, then you could be like, that's defamatory and not true.
The problem then is you still need damages.
So it is not easy.
Not, not, not easy.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's grab some more super chats.
What do we got?
James Weeks says, I agree with the judge.
Better ten guilty men go free than one innocent be punished.
ADA, Binger, and the mainstream media are the guilty ones walking free.
That's right.
They are bad, bad people.
The prosecutor is a bad dude.
You know, I just... Cernovich tweeted out, this guy knew he's gotten away with this in the past, and he wasn't ready for a real judge.
You look at what this guy does, and it is just outright disdain and disrespect for our values, for our system.
And this is what I was saying before.
The problem is, this guy violates the Constitution.
Overtly.
And the judge says, but I want to preserve this legal system.
And I'm like, then you allow the liars, cheaters, deceivers, the stealers to keep destroying the system.
ian crossland
I think a justified mistrial would be something society would be very good for society in modern day.
tim pool
I don't normally read crypto posts, but this one I must.
Jackson H says, while the rest of the crypto market is tanking, the FJB token just pumped over 300% today, and the founder donated another 10K to military charities.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Don't miss out on the ride.
Tim Jack, I know you want to.
Let's go, Brandon.
I'm not going to buy FJB token, but I just think it's hilarious.
unidentified
300%?
ian crossland
I tried to buy it last night.
tim pool
That's what they're saying.
jack murphy
It's tanking.
Bitcoin down 3%, Ethereum down 2%.
tim pool
Yeah, no.
Crypto's been through the roof.
It's insane.
jack murphy
Yeah.
What's the guy talking about?
Tanking.
tim pool
I think he's making a joke.
jack murphy
Oh, I see.
tim pool
The FJB token.
jack murphy
Because as soon as he said that, I pulled out my phone.
I was like, wait, really?
unidentified
What's going on?
tim pool
Time to buy.
There's a Let's Go Brandon token and FJB token because making tokens takes five minutes.
unidentified
Gotcha.
tim pool
But I'll tell you this.
I don't care for useless tokens where they just try and sell them.
But if someone said they were making a token with the express purpose of fundraising for a charity, meaning you buy the tokens and the proceeds from the organization that released them uses that to fund, you know, military charities like they did.
Well, that's fantastic.
Basically, that just means buying the token as a donation.
Some people are trying to speculate, maybe get rich off of it, but it means that the core organization can be helping out.
I like the idea.
I don't know if that counts as a security.
I don't think so.
All right, Trinanana Shabba Da Pressure, Bata Calf Care says, please get Rikada on Timcast and teach him how to say my name.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Because he can't say Trinanana.
I'll go slow.
Trinanana Shabba Da Pressure, Bata Calf Care.
lydia smith
Very simple.
tim pool
I sat there listening to it on loop and transcribing it.
I slowed it down.
Pitch shifted it.
I don't even speak proper English, so I'm impressed.
unidentified
That's great.
tim pool
And then I wrote it out profound. Yeah. Yeah, because people were saying true and a little bishop her pressure or
something like that And I was like you guys didn't even try man reads without
luke rudkowski
comment I don't even speak proper English. I'm impressed. That's
unidentified
great All right. Let's see
tim pool
Rompott Mechanical says Tim, can you look at the Evergrande?
The second largest real estate developer in China defaulted on its bonds today in the amount of $148 million.
I heard this.
I've been tracking it passively.
The story about Evergrande, this could precipitate a major collapse in the global markets.
China's phony real estate.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, man.
tim pool
We'll see.
jack murphy
Everyone in finance markets have known that the Chinese debt industry and all that has been overblown for decades.
I worked at a private equity firm on a hedge fund in 98, 9, 2000, 2001.
And even then, every comment about China was all lie, all lie, all fabricated.
Nobody's trusted anything that's come out of there forever.
Why would you?
Which is why, why did we trust any of those videos that were coming out from Wuhan in November and December of people falling over and stories of like billions of cell phones being taken offline?
tim pool
That was weird, right?
jack murphy
Yeah.
So like that was, you know, people believe that.
tim pool
Yep.
jack murphy
And the nation bought that.
ian crossland
Bats peeing on people.
I mean, this is all Chinese, man.
unidentified
Well, South Park really nailed the origin story on that one.
tim pool
Let's get, uh, we'll do two more, two more quick ones.
We got Andrew Sutton.
He says, Alec Baldwin is a Top Gun actor.
So I suppose he was in Top Gun?
jack murphy
I don't know.
lydia smith
I'm not sure.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
I don't think so.
unidentified
He wasn't?
tim pool
That was wrong.
ian crossland
I don't think so.
tim pool
And then Ogdabr says, the armorer was inexperienced and has made mistakes before.
She only had the job because her father was the lead prop master.
lydia smith
I did hear that.
tim pool
Interesting point.
However, this means that the armorer made a mistake, handed it to another person who made a mistake, who handed it to another person who made a mistake, who then shot a woman.
I mean, that's just a big, that's many leaps.
You know what I mean?
So maybe, it's possible, sometimes people win the lottery.
You get the numbers, they line up and it's astronomical odds.
We went to the casino a couple of weeks ago.
You put, you know, 20 bucks on 26 and then, you know, we ended up winning a bunch of money because sometimes 26 comes up.
ian crossland
And if there's an ethos of people not taking precautions on the set, if that's the production company's method, then you're going to get five and six people not take precautions all at once.
That's possible.
tim pool
Alright everybody, smash that like button if you haven't already done so, subscribe to this channel, take that URL, post it everywhere.
If every single person took the URL right now and just posted it on all their social media, we would be bigger than CNN overnight.
But I guess some people don't, and you don't have to, we just appreciate it if you did.
But go to TimCast.com and become a member.
We have a massive library.
You can search through all of the different guests we've had for these members-only segments, and we will have a members-only segment coming up, posted around 11 or so p.m.
You can follow the show at TimCastIRL.
You can follow me personally at TimCast.
Check out my Instagram.
Follow me there.
And Jack, you got anything to shout out?
jack murphy
I definitely do.
You can follow me on Twitter at Jack Murphy Live.
In fact, all over the internet, Instagram, everywhere, Jack Murphy Live.
Also check out jackbrunch.com.
We're coming to the San Francisco area in two weeks.
We were just in Austin, beautiful city.
We had about 90 people come out for brunch.
It was fantastic.
People leave feeling joyful and uplifted.
They make new friends, and it's just a really cool experience to be around 100 people that see the world the same way that you do, know the same media people, speak the same language, and are going to view events through a similar filter.
It's a lot of fun, and you guys should come down and check it out.
luke rudkowski
Right on.
Maybe one day.
If you're subscribed to LukeUncensored.com, don't forget to check out today's video.
I had a very interesting conversation about the occult, demonic forces, Satanism.
All of that is available on LukeUncensored.com.
Hope to see some of you guys there.
Thanks for having me.
ian crossland
Also ecstatic that you guys are back and happy to be here.
My name is Ian Crosland.
Check me out on social media if you'd like to and I'll see you later.
lydia smith
And I am Sour Patch Lids, and I do want to say that I do love my crayon eaters in the Marines, so happy birthday to the Marine Corps.
My brother was a Marine, and I have deep respect.
They are badasses, so definitely shout out to them.
You guys can follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Lids.
tim pool
We will see all of you over at TimCast.com in the member segment.
Thanks for hanging out.
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