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Timcast IRL - State Key Witness Just NUKED ENTIRE Rittenhouse Case Proving Self Defense w/Kash Patel
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luke rudkowski
um am i looking in that camera yeah that's all right there Well, if you want to look at the camera, you can, but we normally just have a normal conversation where we just kind of talk to each other.
tim pool
I noticed when I was talking that Luke kept tapping his ear.
lydia smith
I'm like, oh, I think we're good.
Yeah.
tim pool
Are we back?
luke rudkowski
Are we back?
Do we have audio here?
lydia smith
I think we're back.
luke rudkowski
I'm looking at the comments and everyone's like, mic check.
unidentified
Give us some ones in chat if you can hear this.
tim pool
Oh, it's because we did the blimp stream, right?
Oh, I see.
Andy's our tech guy and he's like, oh, snap.
lydia smith
I think we're good.
unidentified
Is it good?
lydia smith
Yes.
It looks like we're OK.
Yay.
luke rudkowski
Yay sound, yay sound.
tim pool
a sound people are saying we got sound we're good this is important this is important though so um
I think it was, what, yesterday?
We did the official Blimp livestream.
lydia smith
That's why it's all messed up.
tim pool
And so this was where we actually had a high-definition camera mounted on the Zeppelin, the Let's Go Brandon Blimp.
And so we reconfigured everything, and I guess they forgot to switch it back.
So blame them.
lydia smith
I should have caught it.
tim pool
For the few minutes where you see me just like mouthing words.
So anyway, what I was saying was Joe Rogan saved our lives.
lydia smith
Yes, he did, yes.
tim pool
Personally intervened.
He flew in, landed a parachute into the house, and he was carrying nothing but horse dewormer.
I'm kidding.
No, but Joe, I talked to him.
He encouraged me to, you know, make sure I take it seriously.
We had a doctor basically telling me, like, sleep it off, and I was feeling worse.
And, you know, I ended up talking to Joe because Joe went through this and he talked about monoclonal antibodies and stuff.
If I didn't, talk to Joe.
And Joe was like, hey, man, you should really take this seriously because, like, COVID's a big deal, blah, blah, blah.
I actually, my lungs were really bad.
And so when I was getting treatment, they were like, yo, this is really bad.
And I had a really, really bad day.
So I think I got hit worse than everybody.
And if it wasn't, I'm eternally grateful.
Joe actually said he would cover the costs of the treatment for everybody.
So there was a few people that I covered the costs for, but Joe really did step up, help out.
He's a good friend.
And the crazy thing is the media has turned this into some crazy story when the story is really simple.
I called a friend of mine.
He said, hey man, you should call a doctor, because you sound pretty bad.
And I'm like, yeah, you're probably right.
And then I called the doctor, and he's like, I want to prescribe this medication for your team.
And then I talked to Joe.
I'm like, hey, I'm getting that same treatment as you.
And he goes, bro, I'm going to take care of you guys.
And I was like, wow, thanks, man.
You're a good friend.
That's the news.
But because it's Joe Rogan, and they want to smear him, and they want to lie about Horstie, where everyone else is a garbage, then it becomes something that's really just blunt proportion.
What you need to understand is a lot of states have monoclonal antibody treatments that are free.
We'll get into all this stuff, because we got a lot of news about the vaccine mandates.
L.A., there's big protests.
We got the Surgeon General, I think, is now saying they want to push a vaccine mandate for literally all businesses now, so that would include us and anybody under 100 employees, which is crazy.
But we do got big news about the Kyle Rittenhouse case.
The prosecution has been absolutely just messing everything up, and it's so bad, I have to assume they did it on purpose.
One of their witnesses, the third witness now to backfire on them, and their key witness admitted he was only fired upon by Kyle Rittenhouse after he advanced on Kyle and drew a glock and pointed it at Kyle Rittenhouse's head.
And then immediately every legal analyst was like, oh, there it is.
People are screaming directed verdict, like the judge should throw it all out.
So we'll talk about that.
And we've also got some big news on Russiagate and the Durham investigation.
Joining us to talk about all this is Kash Patel.
Do you want to introduce yourself?
kash patel
Thanks so much for having me, Tim.
I really appreciate coming out here to actual America versus being in Communist DC.
But look, I'm sure we'll get into all of it, but a brief, boring background on me.
Public defender, former federal prosecutor.
Tried a bunch of cases, then got into more national security work.
Went over to JSOC, did targeting with our Special Forces guys for a while.
Probably the best job ever.
Then I thought I was going to the White House to do national security stuff.
Russiagate happened.
That time Devin Nunes, nobody knew who he was, nobody who knew who I was.
Sometimes I wish we could go back to those days.
Says, hey, run this Russiagate investigation with your intel investigatory background, became a chief investigator.
And well, you know what happened from there.
And then I was fortunate to go from there to the White House.
Deputy Assistant President Trump, ran counterterrorism, became the Deputy Director of National Intelligence, and then finished off as Chief of Staff for the Department of Defense.
So pretty wild ride.
tim pool
Yeah, crazy.
And with a lot of news about the Durham investigation, you got a lot to say.
kash patel
I got lots to say.
This will be fun.
unidentified
It will be.
luke rudkowski
This is going to be a very interesting conversation.
We have so much to get into.
I'm so happy we're back and we missed so much.
I just want to rant incredibly about so many issues right now, but I'm going to save it.
We also missed Halloween, which sucks because I was planning on dressing up as Tim Pool himself.
I would have called myself Pimpool from Pool Land, and I had the beanie, I was gonna have a fake beard, I was gonna have the same exact clothes, and sadly it didn't work out, but hey, what can you do?
Now on a very serious note, I just exclusively released our The Real Island Boys t-shirt, which you could exclusively get on thebestpoliticalshirts.com, which depicts One of our lord and saviors by the mainstream media, Bill Gates, with his very, very good, good, good friend, Mr. Jeffrey Epstein.
So if you want the shirt, thebestpoliticalshirts.com.
I got so much I want to say, so much I want to rant about.
Holy cow, man, I am so excited about this show.
unidentified
I am also very happy to be here and be back and rid of this foul virus that has been plaguing me for a week and a half.
Hello, everyone.
Lydia, we're getting some notifications that the audio is really low.
lydia smith
Yes, I have to tweak it as we go.
unidentified
All right, so Lydia is going to be fixing the audio.
Happy to see you, Cash.
kash patel
Likewise.
unidentified
Let's rock and roll, baby.
lydia smith
I am also here in the corner.
I'm so excited to be back.
Everyone complains about Mondays.
I've always loved Mondays because my work is awesome and I love all you guys.
kash patel
So let's get started.
And we're back.
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With that being said, let's jump into the first story.
Let's talk about Kyle Rittenhouse.
Behold this image for those that are watching on YouTube.
It is the prosecutor, one of the prosecutors in the Kyle Rittenhouse case, facepalming.
And this was when their own witness, Gage Grosskreutz, admitted He only was fired upon after he drew his gun on Kyle and then advanced on him.
And the crazy thing about this is that in the trial, this guy Gage was lying over and over again and the defense kept calling him out like, here's a signed statement, here's a photograph, here's an image, here's a video.
And that only then was the dude finally admitting what he was saying, was like, oh okay, and then like changing his answer.
In this instance, he was asked by the defense, the defense asked Gage Grosskreutz, he's one of the guys who attacked Rittenhouse and got shot, and the defense said, it was only when you pointed the gun at Rittenhouse that he fired upon you, and Grosskreutz said no at first.
So the defense pulls out a photo, gives it to him, and he's like, what's that a photo of?
And he's like, you're pointing your weapon at Rittenhouse.
And then he's firing on you.
And then he said it again, so it was only after you advanced on Rittenhouse, gun drawn, pointed at him, that he fired on you.
And that's when he goes, yes.
Immediately all the pundits are like, oh, directed verdict, directed verdict, it's over.
But, um, I don't know if it means it's over.
It certainly means that on the murder charges, I think, a fair assessment would be Rittenhouse is gonna get, it's self-defense, but there's still the weapons charge, and Cash, interestingly, you were saying, like, you've tried cases before, and you think the jury might actually, what, say, we don't care about this?
kash patel
Look, I tried like 60 jury trials to verdict, right?
Criminal murders, homicides, bank robberies, narco-trafficking, you name it, right?
Every case I thought I was going to win, I lost.
Every case I thought I was going to lose, I won.
Juries are, and this is why there is no such thing as jury specialists, because you cannot be that good at reading 12 total strangers.
And the signs in this case are good.
But people are like, well, if a jury's out for three days, it means the defense won't.
There are no rules for this stuff.
I think this is a very good day for the defense.
And also the fact that the prosecutor in this case has his hand, his head in his hand.
This photo's amazing.
It means he did not prep his key witness, the major witness in the case, the victim, because he's shocked to have that verbiage come out during trial.
tim pool
Not a witness.
Not a victim.
kash patel
Not a victim, sorry.
luke rudkowski
He was the star witness that lied to the police, lied about exactly what happened here, and now this... I mean, some people are saying this is over, but as you said, you know, court proceedings are like gambling.
You never know what the outcome is going to be, and there's a lot of people threatening riots, a lot of people threatening protests, a lot of people threatening to go after the jury as well, so we're having a lot of outside impact on this very important trial that I think we should also kind of hone in on and talk about.
tim pool
That's crazy to me, though.
People were saying it was like Requieta Law.
There's a viral video that Viva Fry posted.
These are lawyers, by the way, for those who aren't familiar with them.
And Requieta's like, directed verdict, there it is, on all murder charges, which basically means... Can you explain directed verdict?
kash patel
Sure.
It's this mechanism in legal trials where basically you say, judge, did you just see what happened?
There's so much evidence to go our way, our way being the defense, take the case out of the hands of the jury, direct a verdict because the law cannot convict this man based on the facts.
It's rarely used.
I agree with the sentiment expressed by the attorneys, but a judge can also reserve a directed verdict till after the jury even comes back with their verdict.
So that's generally what happens.
unidentified
Does that happen often?
kash patel
Wow, wow.
Less than 1% of the time.
tim pool
So you're saying the jury could actually come back and be like, he's guilty, but the judge could go, no.
kash patel
Yep.
You can still file your motion for directed verdict afterwards because you can say the jury erred.
They're the, they decide the fact, you judge decide the law.
And based on the law, you can't convict my client of murder.
tim pool
I can't.
I think it's insane this is even a trial at this point.
It's political.
kash patel
I was just going to say, it's the politics.
And that's what makes this trial even scarier.
It's the politics of the case make it even scarier because the jury is going to feel more pressure.
tim pool
You know, it's going to be kind of screwed up if I turn out to be right.
Because it was, well, what I mean is a few weeks ago, like a few months ago, I said Kyle's going to get life.
Because what happened with the Chauvin trial is, you know, we mentioned this a little bit briefly before the show, that they tried to get him on murder and all that stuff, but it was like potentially manslaughter.
That was the argument.
And then during the court case, it was not just my opinion as a layman, which is not worth much at all, but all these legal analysts, actual lawyers, actual defense lawyers saying like, wow, wow, wow, in these instances, but the jury was under duress.
So you end up with jurors coming in the Chauvin trial, being brought in by armed cops with machine guns.
Clearly something's wrong in that case!
And then the jurors even said after the fact they were scared they'd be targeted.
I felt the same way with the jurors in the Rittenhouse case.
No one is going to want to stand up and stick their neck out for this kid if a rioter is going to show up and burn your house down.
However, now it's winter.
People don't riot in the winter as much.
Like, it typically won't happen.
Now it looks like they definitely overcharged Rittenhouse.
And so I'm starting to think that, you know, after seeing how the judge was ruling on this, and how the state has been handling it, they've had three witnesses, they've called, that have backfired on them.
You had Richie McGinnis, who basically was like, the dudes had effed you and tried grabbing the gun, and they tried finagling their way out of that one.
You had, I think his name was Ryan Balch, who said, one of the people who attacked Rittenhouse went up to them earlier in the day and said, if I catch you alone, I'll effing kill you.
And that was the state, that's a prosecution's witness.
And then you get this guy who's like suing the city for $10 million.
And he gets asked by the defense, the outcome of this case will impact whether or not you win that money.
And he's like, yeah, but he stopped short of saying he thought, you know, convicting Rittenhouse would help him win the money.
And then you get this where he's basically like, you know, I was only fired upon when I pointed my gun.
But what if the jury gets scared?
You know, there's a viral video where guys like, we got cameras in the courtroom.
We know who these people are.
What if the jury gets scared?
kash patel
They split the baby.
That's what they used to call it.
Basically, the judge or the jury comes in and says, there's too much political heat on this.
There's too much media on this.
If we are just deciding this case on the facts and the law, we'd probably acquit him.
But we're not going to convict him of murder.
We're going to go in between and probably hit him with a manslaughter charge.
That happens a lot in high profile media cases.
tim pool
That's scary.
That's not justice.
kash patel
No, it's the furthest thing from it.
tim pool
With the Chauvin case, I think it might have been Will Chamberlain who mentioned this.
You know Will?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Lawyer.
He was saying that as soon as the judge in that case acknowledged there's nowhere you can go where people won't know about the rioting, he was like, it should have been dismissed the case outright.
If you can't have a fair trial, then you can't have a trial.
kash patel
Yeah, there was a cause to move that venue, move it out, you know, and that's what he was alluding to.
Yeah, most judges won't do it.
tim pool
Watching this case with Rittenhouse, I mean, it feels like the prosecutor is throwing it on purpose.
kash patel
I mean, I think he's just not prepared.
He looks to me like a prosecutor.
When I was a public defender, I faced guys like this who thought, I've got this case so in the bag.
Like the Casey Anthony prosecutors down in Miami.
I've got this case so in the bag I literally don't have to do anything but just put up my witnesses and the political shitstorm in the media will come in and basically overcome my failures.
tim pool
Why do they want to prosecute Rittenhouse?
They've seen all the evidence.
kash patel
Well, again, you're going back to justice, right, which is a concept that's unfortunately eroding in this country.
But basically, their take is we've got to prosecute this guy.
The media is going to come after us if we don't.
Certain politicians will come after us.
Certain factions of America will come after us if we don't prosecute this individual.
tim pool
He's not.
I don't know if you know this, but was Kyle Rittenhouse charged with manslaughter?
He wasn't, was he?
kash patel
You don't have to be.
tim pool
That's what I was going to get to.
kash patel
Basically, once you're charged with the top crime, you can be convicted of everything underneath it.
You know, so murder includes manslaughter.
It's probably three different kinds of manslaughter.
It includes aggravated assault.
And if you use the weapon, there's a firearms charge.
There's a whole litany of things that comes in underneath.
tim pool
So what do you think?
You think he's going to get a lesser charge?
unidentified
Yeah.
kash patel
I hope I'm wrong.
luke rudkowski
Wow.
So look, having been a guy who was a national security prosecutor, prosecuted terrorists all over the world, and worked with the FBI, I love those guys.
Most of them, right?
What I don't like is the top.
exonerate written house.
That's that's the allegations by human events.
kash patel
Wow. That's so look, having been a guy who is a national security
prosecutor, prosecuted terrorists all over the world and worked with
the FBI.
I love those guys.
Most of them. Right.
What I don't like is the top and that Russiagate. We'll get to that
as a prime example of how America's faith in our law
enforcement community has been destroyed by a select few.
And when you say something like that, if you told me that seven years ago, I'd be like, you're crazy, man.
If you tell me that today, I'd be like, someone needs to do that.
Someone needs to look into that seriously.
Because if the, if the jurors, Justice Department withheld evidence, exculpatory evidence, like we've caught them doing time and time again, from Russiagate on through the Flynn case, when Flynn was exonerated, they withheld exculpatory evidence.
luke rudkowski
Well, the Epstein case, they withheld the information for 30 plus years.
The FBI was interviewing witnesses in the 90s with women that came forward and said, hey, this is happening, and the FBI literally looked the other way.
There was the other case of the other family-friendly show, the other person who hurt children.
I forgot his name.
We were just talking about that.
tim pool
Prince Andrew?
luke rudkowski
There's of course Prince Andrew, and then there's another... Cosby!
There's another case a couple weeks ago where the FBI again ignored the victims, screwed them when they knew... Oh, oh, oh!
tim pool
The gymnast!
luke rudkowski
The gymnast!
So it's like, how many times could they do this now?
Dude, dude!
tim pool
I'm watching the live stream of this case, and I think anybody who's watching this is probably asking themselves over and over again, how was Gage Grosskreutz not criminally charged for at least having the gun?
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
But it sounds like attempted murder, potentially.
The only reason that we're not watching a trial for attempted murder is that Kyle Rittenhouse defended himself.
Gage Grosskreutz lied to the police, multiple officers, about having a gun.
His concealed carry was invalid.
He knew it was invalid.
So he lied to the police.
So here he is, at a protest, at a riot, he goes to multiple, he's admitted this on the stand, multiple events, armed with a gun he's not legally allowed to be carrying.
Now, I'll stop right there and say, I believe that's a bunk claim, because the Constitution says you have a right to keep and bear arms, and then trying to put this law over someone's right to keep and bear arms is BS.
But for the sake of the statutory legal issue at play, here's a guy who should have been charged for bringing an illegal weapon concealed to a riot on multiple occasions, and the prosecution showed that he was chasing Kyle Rittenhouse out of view of Rittenhouse.
He didn't know where Kyle was, and you can see him on camera running towards him and reaching into the small of his back and drawing the gun from his waistband.
How did this guy not get charged?
And now we learn the FBI had the aerial surveillance footage?
So you mean the FBI was surveilling the riots with a drone and they've not charged any of these people?
What the ever-living F.
luke rudkowski
Or release the information to help this court proceeding, to help this trial go along in a more accurate, honest way.
Why hasn't that been released?
Our taxes were used for that money.
kash patel
Yeah, so here's the thing, right?
That case is going down in state court.
The FBI is a federal law enforcement agency whose mandate is in federal court.
Now, that doesn't mean that the FBI doesn't participate in crimes that are prosecuted in state court.
But why didn't they bring any charges?
The way they view it is, that's a separate court system.
It's a Wisconsin state court system.
We do not have any obligation to do anything.
We have no relationship with that prosecutor to do anything.
And they can hide behind that.
tim pool
But why didn't they bring any charges?
Is it because it's not a federal offense?
kash patel
They could, but usually what would happen is the DOJ would bring charges and they would supersede
any of these charges, but the problem is you have, again, a politicized law enforcement community
where they're saying because of the riots and because of everything that happened here,
The number one target is Kyle Rittenhouse.
So we can't go ahead and supersede with the federal prosecution for another defendant or possible defendant because they want to see how that case plays out because they don't want to take the heat away from that.
tim pool
Did you see that they had a subpoena for the phone of Gage Grosskreutz, the guy with the gun?
And they didn't enforce it.
They didn't enact it.
They ignored it.
And the defense actually asked one of the detectives, is it normal that you'll get a search warrant and not use it?
And he was like, well, sometimes.
And he was like, did the prosecutors ask you to use that search warrant?
And he goes, no.
And he's like, is it weird that you've been granted the ability to search the phone of this guy and you said no to that?
kash patel
That's, I mean, so there's one remedy for all this, right?
When the jury trial is over, the judge, any judge, has the authority to issue contempt proceedings.
What that means is you do not need a prosecution.
You do not need a Department of Justice or State Attorney General's office.
The judge can call any witness or the prosecutor that appeared before him and say, I think you lied to me.
I'm holding you in contempt of court.
It's a state felony.
You have to bring an attorney and show me why I shouldn't throw you in prison.
And it happens rarely, but in a case like this, where you're talking about all these possibilities of exculpatory evidence, prosecutorial misconduct, the only person that can keep it straight is the judge.
tim pool
Watching this trial, the state is going fully motion.
Trying to get this Gage Grosskritts guy to like cry on the stand almost.
He's like, I thought I was going to die.
The media, fully complicit.
You look at the media on this and it's similar to the Chauvin trial.
You'd think the prosecution was like hitting slam dunks.
This guy was like, I was trying to stop him and I thought I was going to die, but I had to.
And then it's like, you actually listen to the testimony and he's like, I want $10 million from the city.
kash patel
And what?
But in state court, that's the difference between state and federal court, right?
The media is allowed in.
TV cameras are allowed into state courtrooms.
TV cameras are not allowed in a single federal courtroom in the United States of America, which is why you get those cartoon sketches.
You never get videotaped.
Never allowed.
But when you do, you play on it.
tim pool
Jack Posobiec had a good tweet.
I don't think he got every single reporter that was down there, but I'll give a shout out.
We had, it was BG on the scene.
It was Richie McGinnis.
It was Julio Rosas.
It was Ford Fisher.
Who else was down there?
lydia smith
Shelby?
Shelby Talcott?
tim pool
Shelby Talcott was down there.
lydia smith
And then, yeah.
tim pool
Was Drew down there?
Drew Hernandez?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
No, he wasn't?
lydia smith
I don't remember.
tim pool
Who does the Lives Matter show?
Is that Drew?
lydia smith
Yeah, that's Drew.
tim pool
Yeah, he was there.
lydia smith
Yeah, he was there.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
Yeah, he was there.
lydia smith
He might have been here.
tim pool
All of these guys, these reporters, all these people, if they were not there... You wouldn't know.
Yeah, I mean, Rittenhouse would be locked up on the emotional testimony alone.
But it is...
Like, I have personal experience with the no cross-prosecution thing.
It's scary to me that we're at a point where during the criminal proceedings for Kyle Rittenhouse, determining whether or not he was acting in self-defense, we're getting evidence of other crimes committed by a ton of other people, and it's actually starting to sound like the crimes were committed against Kyle, but he's the one on trial.
kash patel
It's scary, and there's unfortunately no way to remedy it unless this judge intervenes afterwards.
tim pool
He's a good judge, though.
He seems to be pretty good.
kash patel
And he might.
He might.
Look, he's a smart judge because you don't intervene mid-trial.
That's the dumbest thing you can do as a judge, right?
You just hold powder because you know there's things you can do afterwards.
tim pool
If we get a directed verdict, that'd be nuts.
But the fear is there's going to be a riot.
kash patel
Yeah, and he's not going to do it.
You cannot take the case out of the jury's hand as a judge.
You just can't do that.
tim pool
Even when it comes this far?
kash patel
Because he can always do it after, right?
tim pool
That's what I mean.
Afterwards.
So one of the crazy things is that there was a... I can't remember exactly what the prosecutors were asking of the witness, but it was objected by the defense on habit and customs, I think it's called.
Are you familiar with that?
kash patel
Yeah.
tim pool
So he was saying, you know, objection, your honor.
It's something related to habits and customs.
Can you explain what that means?
kash patel
Yeah, basically what happens is when you have a witness on the witness stand and you're trying to get facts into evidence, you need that witness to testify to it.
Sometimes what you can say is, oh, John Q. Voter, he woke up every morning at 9 a.m., picked up his Glock, went out to the backyard and shot 17 rounds.
If you can prove that he did that every day, you can allow that testimony to come in from a witness who saw it based on habit and custom.
That's what that's the evidence used for.
tim pool
So, the defense objected on these grounds, and the judge said... I would've.
He said sustained, and the defense back-talked the judge.
I'm sorry, not the defense, the prosecutor.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
tim pool
The prosecutor was asking a question, the defense objected, the judge sustained the defense, and so the prosecutor back-talked the judge saying, but this is all habit and customs, and the judge goes, you don't need to comment on my rulings.
Yeah, dude.
kash patel
Oh, man, I've been on the receiving end of that and the giving end of that, and it's cool.
tim pool
I was reading a legal analysis from Andrew Branca and he was like, whoa, you do not backtalk.
The judge is going bad for them.
kash patel
When it's going downhill, you get out of the way.
I mean, and the defense attorney seems to be doing it the right way.
If the judge is going after the prosecutor and ruling in your favor, you're just kind of like, all right, keep going.
tim pool
I'm every day more and more shocked that this is even happening, that the trial is even happening.
kash patel
Should we make predictions?
What do you guys think is going to happen?
tim pool
Man, I was saying before, life in prison.
Because they're going to convict him on the murder charges.
My view initially was that, just based on what happened in the Chauvin trial, there would be no political willpower to defend principle.
The jurors are going to say, I don't want to be here in the first place.
The judge is going to say, I got a million to one cases to deal with, I don't need this one, and no one is going to stick their neck out for this kid.
However, the judge has been pretty fair.
He's not given the defense everything they've wanted.
There's been a few rulings where he's like, you know, no.
They tried getting the gun charge, I think, thrown out because they say that the law specifically says it doesn't apply to 16 and 17 year olds.
For those that aren't familiar, the law says a minor can't carry a weapon.
But it specifically says in exemption, this is what they argued, 16 and 17 year olds are exempt from this.
And the judge was like, that's for the jury to decide on the charge.
Then they also tried saying the reckless endangerment charge should be, should, it should, like, I think they're trying to get it thrown out, arguing that Ritchie McGinnis is the reason for the reckless endangerment charge, I think it's reckless endangerment, that when Rittenhouse was firing on Rosenbaum, Ritchie McGinnis was right there and he created a reasonable harm to Ritchie, thus there's the charge.
But they specifically say in the law, if you're acting in self-defense, you did not create a reckless, you know, situation or whatever.
And the judge said, that'll be for the jury to decide.
So he wasn't going to give them exactly what they wanted.
But there was an instance where the defense accidentally referred to Grosskreutz as a victim.
And he was like, oh, I'm sorry.
And the judge was like, strike that comment.
What's at trial right now is whether or not these people are victims.
So when I started seeing how the judge was acting, when he said, you can't call these people victims, but you can't call them rioters.
I was like, wow.
Like, I'm actually impressed he's willing to stand up for this.
The crazy thing, I don't know if you saw this, was when he ragged on Jeffrey Toobin.
That's his name, right?
lydia smith
Jeffrey Toobin.
Yeah, Jeffrey Toobin.
tim pool
You see that on there?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Because they were ragging on the judge.
And the judge was like, I have followed this to the law.
Who is the media to come and start criticizing the work we're doing?
They're undermining this court proceeding, and that's really, really bad.
So I see all that stuff, and now my prediction is probably I think they'll get him on the gun charge.
I think they're gonna get him on a misdemeanor gun charge.
I'm not a lawyer, so you're the lawyer.
So actually, what do you prefer to do?
kash patel
Recovering.
tim pool
Recovering?
kash patel
Yeah.
tim pool
But it sounds like they'll get him on a manslaughter thing out of fear.
kash patel
Yeah, a version of manslaughter, maybe involuntary manslaughter and something like that.
Some sort of act that the jury can be like, look, we convicted him.
Now over to you, judge, for sentencing.
So the judge can still give him a stiff sentence or he can be like, here's 10 years of probation.
tim pool
And I think so far we're still only on the state's case, right?
The state presents their case, then the judge's defense.
kash patel
Yeah, and then the state goes again.
tim pool
Goes again.
I think we still have, what, like two weeks?
kash patel
Probably.
These cases go for a while.
Look, the defense, if they got everything they want, and I haven't been following this case like you guys have, but I probably would not put on a case.
If you get everything you want, then you remove the state's possibility of doing a rebuttal case and just repeating their entire prosecution.
And you just kind of screw the prosecution if you get the facts you want that you can argue in closing.
tim pool
If they acquit Rittenhouse, he can't be tried again on unrelated charges?
kash patel
Not in state court.
In federal court, he could.
tim pool
But even if it's like a different charge, what if they're like, okay, now we're going to try and charge him for something different, but from the event.
kash patel
So there's a whole like legal equation that goes into that.
It's really hard to beat.
I mean, they'd have to be like, it was a totally different series of events.
We didn't know about it before.
New witnesses, new evidence, new timeline.
tim pool
So not gonna happen.
kash patel
He gets acquitted.
tim pool
But if he gets convicted, he appeals.
kash patel
Oh yeah.
tim pool
What do you guys think?
unidentified
The evidence looks like it's defense.
Like he defended himself.
The dude was pulling a gun and coming at him.
I mean, that guy.
tim pool
The first guy said, if I get you alone, I'll effing kill you.
unidentified
Yikes.
tim pool
And these are the state's witnesses.
It's a state's case.
kash patel
That's what I mean.
unidentified
It's like the conversation of if I put myself in a bear cage, and then the bears attack me and I kill the bears, I was defending myself, but I also put myself in the position where those bears had to die.
tim pool
Well, hold on.
But let's let's let's let's fix the analogy.
What if it's not you're putting yourself in a bear cage, it's that you have a gigantic silo full of honey, and a bear has shown up.
unidentified
I have to protect the honey.
tim pool
And so you're like, hey, this is my honey.
Get away from me.
And the bear tries to kill you.
unidentified
I've been eating a lot of honey lately.
And the bear says, if I get you alone, I'll effing kill you.
Then I'm on guard.
tim pool
So it isn't the same as just entering a bear cage and being like, oh no, it's coming right for us.
unidentified
He was there to protect the gas station and the buildings and stuff.
tim pool
Yeah.
What are your thoughts on that?
Let's say it was a stupid thing to do, to think he was going to be protecting that.
kash patel
I mean, probably not the smartest thing to do.
But it's whether or not he has the legal ability to do it.
tim pool
It doesn't affect self-defense, right?
kash patel
It can, depending on the circumstances, whose property it is.
You can step in to defend anyone if you feel objectively their life is being in danger.
Self-defense applies to the person.
Property's a little different.
If it's someone else's property, you're probably not gonna get away with the self-defense argument if it's your property that you own.
tim pool
Well, apparently the owners of the car place or whatever said we didn't ask for their protection.
kash patel
So that's yeah, that's but it's not a good fact for them.
tim pool
I I think anybody who's gonna come out and say it's it's like There's the state has nothing would be wrong, you know, and I and I'll say like I've been hyperbolic on Instagram I'm like it's over and it's like but I don't mean to say because I mentioned this in my main video the state does have some things right the guy Gage Grosskreutz Testified that the only reason Rittenhouse didn't shoot him while his hands were up was that he missed the gun misfired No.
And so what he said was Rittenhouse was pointing the gun at him while he had his hands up.
And then Rittenhouse pulled the rack, yeah, the rail back to clear and then rechamber
to chamber around.
And the media is reporting it as Kyle Rittenhouse held him at gunpoint while he reloaded the
gun, which is like not what he said.
But the argument is from the witness, this is what the jury heard, that Rittenhouse pulled
the trigger and the gun misfired.
So then he pulled the rack back to reach chamber around and then fired on gauge gross crates.
So it's not like the state has nothing.
kash patel
No, they got stuff to work with.
Right.
I mean, you're talking about reloading a firearm that you already pointed at the target.
tim pool
Not reloading!
kash patel
I know, but that's what the... Right.
Even if I was a prosecutor in that case, that's kind of how I would describe it, because you can kind of get away with the fact saying, it's a reload, and you want the jury to hear reload instead of the correct terminology.
tim pool
I want to make sure I'm being fair, you know, because the state does have their offense.
But I will also point out the defense rebutted by showing there was another man who had his hands up that Reynolds also didn't fire upon.
So if the argument from, you know, Gage was that he did, but my hands were up, then it's like, well, how do you explain the other guy with his hands up?
He didn't fire on either of you.
So it's like, you can't claim that he was just singling you out.
So.
I guess we'll see how that plays out, huh?
We'll see what happens as the case progresses.
unidentified
Gage is the guy that got his bicep blown off?
tim pool
Yeah, vaporized.
unidentified
Jeez.
tim pool
But this dude was lying the whole time.
It was nuts.
unidentified
Those guys attacked him.
One guy came at him with a skateboard, like he was gonna smash him over the head with a skateboard.
tim pool
He did smash him over the head.
And they showed video of it.
And they even asked the detective, where's the skateboard?
And he was like, oh, I don't know.
Isn't that important to have?
And it's like, we didn't look for it.
They asked, did you do a swab for DNA on the rifle to see if Rosenbaum had grabbed it?
And he's like, no, we didn't do any of those things.
And the other thing the defense brought up is, he's like, you filed charges against Rittenhouse before the investigation was completed?
And they were like, yes.
And he's like, so you didn't have the full facts of the case before you filed charge?
And he goes, yeah, but that's typical.
kash patel
That's usually what happens in state court.
So it's the difference between state court and federal court.
State court, you charge the defendant, and then you build your case.
Federal court, you build your case, then you charge your defendant.
tim pool
And I think it's fair to point out, too, the detective said, we have a high profile homicide where people see video of it.
So charges are laid, and then we start putting together the investigation.
But I think it's obvious to anybody who's being honest that they overcharged.
kash patel
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Calling it a homicide seems... they gotta prove that.
tim pool
They can't just say it's... Homicide just means a person killed a person.
unidentified
Yeah.
It's not a crime.
tim pool
It doesn't mean you intentionally murdered somebody.
This is what people don't understand.
Activists don't get this.
They'll be like, you know, a guy was killed by a cop.
They ruled it a homicide.
They'll go, whoa, that proves it.
It just means someone died.
Someone died as a result of human action, I believe, right?
unidentified
So a homicide may not be illegal.
kash patel
Homicide's never illegal, it's just you're dead.
lydia smith
Circumstances of your death, yeah.
tim pool
What does it mean specifically?
It means person killed person?
kash patel
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
And then accidental death, you know, suicide means person killed self, and regicide means person killed king.
unidentified
Also known as a manslayer.
tim pool
That is the word, I'm pretty sure it's regicide.
kash patel
It is regicide, yeah.
Tyrion Lannister.
lydia smith
Patricide, yeah.
Regicide.
kash patel
Love it.
tim pool
Yeah, patricide, matricide.
There's words for all of these things.
Well, let's talk about the Steele dossier, man.
So we have this story from the Washington Post, and this is a little bit more in the weeds on the politics, but this is really, really important.
So for those that are just tuning in or who are not familiar with what's going on with the Steele dossier and the Durham investigation, I'll put it simply.
For years, there were lies from Democrats and the media about Trump colluding with Russia.
None of it was true.
And now it looks like people are actually, the people who perpetrated the hoax for years, are starting to get charged.
And so we have this story from the Washington Post.
Let me just break this down very simply for those that may not understand the in-the-weed stuff.
The media lied, they're caught.
Political operatives lied, they're caught.
Politicians lied and got caught.
And Cash, you have a lot of information about this.
kash patel
Man, yeah.
So look, the Steele dossier, and I don't think I've ever actually told anyone this, but when I was running the Russiagate investigation for Chairman Nunes, initially the media wanted to call it the Trump dossier.
And I said, no, no, no, no.
We're going to call it the Steele dossier.
Because I said, this thing is fraudulent.
So if you're going to tie it to someone, tie it to the author.
And we changed the narrative real quick in the early days, and it stuck.
Wow.
That's smart.
And I actually have never told that to anybody.
And so, look, I can go on and on about the Russiagate hoax.
I spent two years of my life living it and then getting validated by the IG and now this.
Basically, if you want to know what happened, watch the plot against the president.
We're in it.
It's super easy to watch and understand if you want to get up to speed on Russiagate.
The Steele dossier is the heart of Russiagate.
What happens?
The Democrats and the Hillary Clinton campaign go out and pay a foreign national, Christopher Steele, a retired British spy, to go and get dirt from Russia against then-candidate Trump.
The problem is, Christopher Steele hadn't set foot in Russia in 20 years.
Fact.
Then, we're like, wait, wait a second, who paid for all this?
Oh, Hillary Clinton.
They paid the law firm, who was also previously indicted just before this one, Perkins Coie, $10 million.
So now you have the political campaign, a political operative, as you said, and the lawyers now teaming up together with fraudulent information.
What do they do with that?
They don't just dump it in the media.
That would have been one thing to go after your opponent and just dirty him up in usual political tricks.
They take the FBI and the DOJ and they hijack the surveillance process.
And they basically say, here's this information from this guy.
We're not going to present the court, the judge with all of it.
We're going to give you pieces of it.
We're gonna keep exculpatory information of innocence out, we're gonna prevent the court from hearing who paid for it, and that it went to Hillary Clinton and her lawyers, and then we're gonna go surveil a presidential candidate, because that's what we wanna do.
tim pool
They ultimately, they didn't impeach him on Russiagate.
kash patel
No, Ukraine.
tim pool
Ukrainegate was, and that was insane too, but for the Russia stuff, so this article we have from the Washington Post is from Eric Wempel, he's a media critic, and he's been doing a really good job Going after the media for their malpractice, for their malfeasance.
kash patel
It's shocking that he is.
tim pool
I know, I know.
Yeah, yeah, this is the Washington Post.
This is Democracy Dies in Darkness.
But he recently did a story about Joe Rogan and Ivermectin.
And he was like, CNN's acting like an advocacy, like activist organization by lying about this stuff.
So I'm not, I don't want to rehash, I don't want to bring all that stuff up just yet.
We're talking about, you know, Russiagate and stuff.
But he opens right away by saying, MSNBC host Rachel Maddow in December 2017 aired a special report on the Trump-Russia dossier compiled by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele.
The document, claimed Maddow, relied on information coming from Steele's deep cover sources inside Russia.
A federal indictment unsealed Thursday has something to say about the quality of those sources.
It charges Igor Danchenko, the dossier's primary intelligence collector, with making false statements to the FBI about his interactions with sources consulted for the dossier.
When Trump first got elected, there was a guy who tweeted, we're going to impeach him.
I can't remember his name.
Do you remember his name?
kash patel
It was one of the lawyers.
unidentified
No, no.
tim pool
It was one of the lawyers on UkraineGate.
lydia smith
Oh, I remember that.
tim pool
Yeah.
So we're not allowed to say the name of the whistleblower in that case.
Just so you know that YouTube will delete the video.
kash patel
I won't say it.
tim pool
Isn't that insane?
kash patel
That's censoring.
tim pool
But let's, let's, let's, let's, you know, we'll get to the heart of, of what this is.
Russiagate was, was four, how many years of lying?
Five years of lying?
kash patel
Five.
We're on five.
And, and, and here's the thing, and you're right.
The reason this article is so important is, who's Christopher Steele?
Who cares about this guy?
He got paid all this money, he was just doing dirty tricks for a political party.
Okay, fine, one thing.
Where did he get all this information from?
This guy.
They are now saying, the Washington Post is now admitting based on Durham's indictment, the special counsel's indictment, that the mountain of information that the source, Steele, got from his primary guy in Russia was total BS.
Totally fraudulent.
So their entire investigation, they, the FBI's entire investigation, just got gutted.
And if I can juxtapose those two things, right?
This Washington Post article, and we all know who David Ignatius is, he wrote a hit piece on me three months ago on the cover of the Washington Post.
He wrote a hit piece on me because he knew the Russiagate conspiracy was unraveling.
We had proven it to be defective, so what did he do?
Headline, Chief Investigator for Russiagate is possibly leaking classified information to the media.
So now I get a wave of media hits coming at me the next day, not just in America, but overseas saying
Kash Patel leaks classified information. This is what they do. So it's shocking to me that
the Washington Post would let this ride, but I'm happy that they did.
luke rudkowski
You would think there would be some repercussions for lying through their teeth
and just admitting so many important facts.
I remember looking at this story from the very beginning being like, okay, intelligence agents, sources say, government sources say.
I'm like, where's the evidence?
Where's the documents?
Where's any photos?
Where's any document?
Where's anything that proves that this is legitimate?
I was like, there's nothing here.
I call bunk.
I don't believe this.
The intelligence agencies have lied before and they kept saying, well, there's 17 intelligence agencies.
There's 17 of them like I don't believe any of this and I got called a crazy conspiracy theorist.
I got listed by the Washington Post as a Russian asset as working for the Russians.
By the way, I'm Polish.
For Polish people, they get very offended when they get compared to Russians, but the Washington Post literally listed my news organization, We Are Change, as a Russian asset organization because I wasn't buying the official story, and not only did they lie through their teeth about everything, they attacked anyone who even dared question it.
kash patel
They wrecked lives.
tim pool
It's a cult.
Okay, so I see the memes all day where they're like, Trump's cult and Trump's cult and I'm like, yeah, yeah, but is Trump's cult at the Washington Post writing fake news for five years?
kash patel
Yeah.
tim pool
Trying to get people impeached and ruining people's lives?
I'm sorry, man.
You get a bunch of people showing up at the grassy knoll or whatever thinking JFK Jr.
is coming back.
It has no impact on our federal level politics.
It was a couple hundred people.
I don't know why I should care about that.
When the media, when ABC, when CNN, when Washington Post, when the New York Times, when they're winning Pulitzer Prizes for making up fake news!
kash patel
Are they going to get that retracted?
Are they going to get that prize rejected, rescinded, whatever?
Probably not.
tim pool
You know what scares me the most about this story is how absolutely devastating it is, how it contributed to the political divide as it worsens today, and how it's very difficult to understand.
kash patel
Let me follow up with two things.
One, in 2017, now everybody's like, Cash, Trump's right-hand man, whatever.
Do you know when I had not met President Trump, spoken to him, campaigned for him, I was a career government guy.
So the two years I ran Russiagate, I have never spoken to the man, nor communicated with him.
I just ran an investigation.
Now, in retrospect, they're saying Kash Patel was President Trump's best friend, running the Russiagate investigation.
It's pretty hard to do when you've never met the man.
Now, the other thing that you brought up that I'd like to highlight is the lives that were wrecked.
And I'll leave the names out of it.
We interviewed a lot of witnesses.
One individual, a father, had to utilize his entire life savings just for lawyers because he got called into the committee by Adam Schiff to testify about nothing meaningful.
His daughter relapsed.
a recovering drug addict relapsed because of the coverage her father received in the media
and went into a downward spiral and almost died. He then had to take a second mortgage on his house
to pay for his daughter's rehab. Geez man. That's reality.
tim pool
You know, I think Adam Schiff is an evil guy.
kash patel
I mean, don't get me started on that guy.
tim pool
He's evil.
luke rudkowski
Can I ask, what was happening in the intelligence agencies?
Because we kept hearing 17 of them all agree, they're all on board, they know there was Russian collusion 100%, and that's the headline that was running in the mainstream media.
Everyone was still looking for evidence, but they were running with it like it was just the truth from God.
What was happening, because there was no pushback at all that I've seen from any of these intelligence agencies, is to be like, hey, hey, actually we don't have nothing here.
kash patel
Yeah, so it didn't come till halfway through Trump's term when we shifted around leadership in the intelligence community.
But in the beginning, the first two years, you basically had a willing media, like you're talking about, and Adam Schiff and people like that were leaking classified information to say, well, we can't get into the details, but Trump colluded.
Trump had a pea party.
tim pool
The envelope.
kash patel
Trump did this.
The envelope.
unidentified
Yeah.
kash patel
Reading the Steele dossier into congressional testimony as if it was the Bible.
You know, just things like that, and you get your headlines, and the media gets their headlines, and they all wanted to take out Donald Trump.
tim pool
So didn't they claim that he like peed on a bed in a hotel or something?
kash patel
You want to know something hilarious about that?
So I said, you know, I was talking to Devin.
I said, look, we got to do two things as a former prosecutor.
Follow the money.
Somebody paid for this thing.
Let's go get bank records, which is how I was able to prove Fusion GPS and the Clintons paid for all this.
Right.
And they wanted to crucify me when I took him to federal court.
But the other thing is, I said, look, this guy, this is pretty crazy.
Trump's having sex parties in Russia.
I don't know that you can get away with it without a lot of people finding out, so let's call the hotel.
I called the hotel.
The hotel does not have that presidential suite that this infamous Christopher Steele, this career spy, slotted into his Steele dossier.
I said, if the hotel room doesn't even exist, do you think the rest of this dossier has credibility?
This guy can't even get the hotel room right?
We were right.
luke rudkowski
It's crazy. There's nothing there's nothing there and then this is this should tell you the huge amounts of lies
That the government along with some intelligence agencies some people within it along with the mainstream media could
all in unison work together to fool
Everyone because everyone was buying They didn't fool you.
Well, yeah, but then they ostracized and attacked anyone who wasn't buying the official story, and then this was one of the reasons why Wikipedia censored me and depersoned me on their platform.
It was because of that Washington Post article that said I was a Russian asset, which I wasn't.
I mean, there was no evidence suggesting this at all, and it was just smear-mongering by smear merchants who get off at ruining people's lives.
But for a journalist who was around at that time, all you had to do is ask some questions.
Be like, okay, let's actually find out what really happened here.
And barely any people did that.
tim pool
Let's talk about, we'll advance from here, talk about Ukrainegate.
So, this is where they actually impeached Donald Trump with the lies about Ukraine.
And the crazy thing was, I was tracking the news, I was looking at European news sources, I was looking at the history of the founder of Burisma.
This is the company where Hunter Biden, the president's son, was a board member.
And my conclusion on this was like, okay, first, I entertained Russiagate.
I'm just reading the news, I'm like, wow, this is crazy stuff.
I actually met with one of the most high-profile Russiagate journalists and asked them, To their face, looked in their eyes, do you think Trump actually did this?
And they were like, without a doubt, he did.
And I was like, wow.
And I'm like, I'm at a bar with one of these like, you know, mainstream media journalists telling me like, bro, we have the proof.
I've seen it.
I'm like, wow.
It's all fake.
So then UkraineGate comes along and this is where, you know, Trump apparently sees a video on Twitter of Joe Biden being like, if you want the aid, you got to fire the prosecutor.
So Trump just is like, I wonder what that's about.
I'm not necessarily trying to rehash Ukrainegate, but to point out, you end up with these journalists like Matt Taibbi, formerly of Rolling Stone, a real journalist, and he's a liberal guy.
And all of a sudden now he's an alt-right grifter.
kash patel
And same with Aaron Maté.
tim pool
Right, Aaron Maté, he's a progressive!
kash patel
I've interviewed both those guys, done podcasts with both those guys.
We could not be more politically I think so.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But there used to be a time when you could be a real journalist as you're talking about and if there's
corruption or Illegality you would call it out if it was right or left
Those are seem to be the only guys on the left that want to do it anymore. Well, this is a crazy thing, right?
tim pool
Jimmy door you're familiar with Jimmy door. No, Jimmy door is I think I'm not trying to be unfair, but I think the
socialist Jimmy he's like a Bernie Sanders. Yeah. Yeah, he's like he's
far left But he's honest and he calls out the establishment. He
calls out all this stuff. He gets called. All right It's the craziest thing when you're like the Democratic
establishment is corrupt and they're doing all these awful things
The weirdest thing to me is when I get, you know, people who don't understand what's going on.
This is one of the challenges we face.
It's really hard to understand Russiagate.
So many people, Fiona Hill, who is she?
What is her involvement?
And now Igor who?
Donchenko?
Like, who are these people?
What does this mean?
Ukrainegate, really complicated.
But when you follow journalists like Matt Taibbi, who's a liberal, They have no choice but to say he's right-wing, because here's a guy who's always been kind of a lefty-doodle-liberal, challenging their narrative, but regular people believe it.
kash patel
And it's crazy.
It's crazy.
And that's what I'm talking about with the course correction I think you're talking about that the media needs to undertake.
And people are like, is that ever going to happen?
And I think that's a multi-year lift.
You know, guys like Tahibi and Mate right now are helping try to correct the record.
And they're getting a bigger audience, and as are you through your show.
But, you know, you're right.
Russiagate's super complicated.
But the only thing you need to know about what is Russiagate?
Literally, the media helped perpetrate the biggest fraud in presidential history because a political campaign paid them and their cronies to do it.
tim pool
And this jammed... You were in the Trump administration from the beginning, right?
kash patel
Halfway through.
tim pool
Halfway through.
This jammed up the first, what, two years of the Trump administration?
kash patel
I mean, you were that, you know, you guys are all lived it.
unidentified
Jesus.
kash patel
I was living it differently on Capitol Hill, getting called a genocidal dictator, literally
in the media, because I was the guy exposing the truth like facts.
I was putting facts out through the right process and not leaking classified information.
And so, you know, that that is just they spent the first two years basically fending they
the Trump administration fending off the saying, I think I'm not in bed with Putin.
tim pool
Looking at Ukraine, this is where Trump got impeached the first time.
Second time was just ridiculous because he wasn't even in the office anymore.
But Ukrainegate was absolutely insane.
I took a few minutes to go over the initial reports and I was like, wow, this is a crazy story.
Long story short, for those that aren't familiar, this is where they impeached Trump the first time.
They claimed he was abusing his power to dig up dirt on Joe Biden because Joe Biden was his rival, even though Joe Biden hadn't announced he was running for office and wasn't officially running for office.
And when you actually look at the evidence, Matt Taibbi, who we've mentioned several times, an amazing journalist, found there was a criminal investigation from Viktor Shokin, the prosecutor, into Mykola Zlochevsky, the founder of this energy company where Joe Biden's son was on the board.
The media lied over and over again, saying there was no investigation, it's not true, ignore this, Trump is abusing his power.
It was really crazy for me, because when Russiagate was happening, I was like, wow, the New York Times, they said this.
kash patel
Incredible.
tim pool
Then UkraineGate comes along, and I'm like, wait a minute, the evidence actually proves they're lying.
kash patel
And they released a call transcript between Trump and the Ukraine premier, where it literally showed there was no quid pro quo, and if you take that and put it next to Joe Biden's quid
pro quo for his son getting advisory contract in Ukraine saying
I'm gonna fire the prosecutor or you're not getting your seven million in eight. I mean like there was billion
It was was it a billion dollars a billion? Yeah, whatever was but like that's quid pro quo
tim pool
Joe Biden should be impeached.
If the Republicans win back the House, the first thing they should do is impeach Joe Biden.
And it's not just the Ukraine stuff.
It is flying his son on Air Force Two to China for private equity deals.
kash patel
How much did he make?
I forget, like $2 million, $3 million?
I can't remember.
tim pool
I don't know if they actually did the deal, but there was one report.
I could be getting the details wrong, so fact check me on this one, guys.
It's been a while since I reported on this.
But they received a forgivable loan of like $5 million or something.
So it was like they had a meeting and said, we're not gonna do business, but here's a forgivable loan.
kash patel
I want a forgivable loan.
tim pool
Yeah, I'd love to get a $5 million forgivable loan.
It was something like that.
But you also have now the photos emerging of Joe Biden with Hunter Biden's business associates when he said, I never talked to them.
And you have new revelations from the Hunter Biden laptop showing that Joe Biden and Hunter shared a bank account.
This is so far beyond, and I think it's really obvious, the Trump supporters called it out.
When this was going down, they said the left is projecting what they did onto Trump as a defense to stop the investigation of themselves.
kash patel
No, and this is the biggest bottom line takeaway from all of this.
For five years, everybody said Trump was colluding with Russia to corrupt an election and the U.S.
government.
What we have now shown, not we, Durham and our investigations have shown, is that the only people that colluded with Russians were the Hillary Clinton campaign, the Democratic Party, and certain FBI individuals, including James Comey, Andy McCabe, and the likes of those people that should be indicted.
I mean, that's how crazy this scenario is, and that's why people were like, we can't believe what you're saying.
And this is what people want.
When I go around the country, they're like, look, I don't need to understand Russiagate, I don't need to understand Ukrainegate.
What I need to understand is, where's the accountability?
Why is there a different set of rules for them, and why is there another set of rules for me if I screw up?
tim pool
I think we're in trouble because they're getting away with it.
I don't know where we'll go with the Durham investigation.
Maybe they'll actually... I think we're in a good place.
You think they'll actually end up going after these key players in this?
I feel like they'll throw some people under the bus and let the big dogs get away with it.
kash patel
Well, look, don't get me wrong.
I don't think Hillary Clinton's getting indicted or James Comey's getting indicted, but I do think Andy McCabe, Lisa Page, Peter Strzok, and Fusion GPS and all these people are in the crosshairs.
and I don't think that they're now starting it.
Durham already started it.
He used 20 and 30 and 40 page indictments that are normally two to three pages long.
Why did he do that?
Because it's the only way he can legally speak to the American public in an indictment
to say this is what I'm doing.
And he laid out 10 people per indictment, like a mob style conspiracy.
He supported it with bank documents saying I've got the documents.
I didn't say, I don't have something that says I have a phone call that John paid Joe 10 bucks.
I've got a million dollar bank wire.
That's how he's built this case and the one that we just talked about.
So I think he's going to flip up.
tim pool
I was talking to someone recently who told me that they viewed themselves as a Democrat if they had to choose.
And then later in the conversation said they were quitting their job because they didn't want to get vaccine boosters like every other month or whatever and it was like endless.
And I was like, but the Democratic Party are the ones who are enforcing those and pushing those and it's the Republicans for the most part who are rejecting them.
I'm not saying that's a good reason just to vote Republican, but like if you're talking to me and the most pressing issue to you is you don't like the vaccine mandates to the point where you'll quit your job.
Why would you then vote for these people?
And the reason I bring this up in this context is, if you've been paying attention, you know the vaccine mandates aren't stopping, right?
So the NBA just mandated booster shots.
There's a mandate now.
If you're in the NBA, referees, players, coaches, everyone's got to get the latest booster.
And you're gonna have to get a booster again.
At what point do people wake up and say, wow, hey, I've been lied to the entire time?
When it comes to the vaccine mandate stuff, it's become so painfully obvious.
No matter how many times 15 days to slow the spread becomes 20 months becomes now you gotta get boosters and I gotta wear the mask and get the boosters.
But when it comes to the Russia stuff, the problem is it's hard to see through.
When it comes to the Democrats with Adam Schiff lying over and over again, was it Clapper as well?
He was lying on TV about this stuff.
They all lied about this over and over and over again.
It's really hard for me to explain to someone.
I'll go to someone who's like, I'm a Democrat, and I'll say, let me explain to you Russia again, and they'll go...
I'm never gonna follow that.
So how do we get people to finally realize, look, the Republicans are pretty bad, right?
I think the Republican Party is not doing, you know, I'll put it this way.
I think 20% of the Republican Party is doing all right.
And the majority in the leadership is like, where are they?
And sitting on their hands while the Democrats go nuts with Adam Schiff, with Clapper, with Biden, with unconstitutional edicts, with lying to the public, lying to the press, the press helping them.
kash patel
Yeah, look, I've the funny thing is I've literally never been a political guy.
I've been a national security career guy for 16 years in government.
And then all of a sudden I became a political hack.
And I don't even know how to run a campaign.
How do you fix this?
How do you how do you take?
What you just said and relayed to the American people, I think you need to do two things.
One, Devin Nunes told me a long time ago, he's like, when you said the truth a thousand times and you're getting tired of saying it, that means you've just begun saying it.
So we've been saying it for five years.
We haven't stopped.
He and I have not stopped.
And our close allies have not stopped, right?
Because we knew it was the truth.
And you have to show the American public the truth, not just tell them, which is why we declassified all those documents and wrote the memos that are now finally coming out.
The other thing you need to correct the media.
And that's literally a multi-year lift.
But here's what happened, right?
And I'll give you a perfect example.
Devin and I got so harassed in the media, we got defamed.
So what did we start doing?
We started suing.
I'm suing Politico, CNN, and New York Times for $150 million for defamation.
Those lawsuits are live.
I hear it.
And I will put in a shameless plug for fightwithcash.com.
Basically, when we were going around the country, everybody said, I want to sue.
I've been defamed.
I've been deflatformed.
How do we do it?
I don't have the money.
So I said, all right, I'll start it.
I'll raise the money, and I'll go pay for your lawyers.
So check it out.
That's what we're doing.
tim pool
Awesome.
kash patel
And the only way the media understands anything is if you hit them with a seven-figure bullet to their bottom line.
Then they start paying attention.
tim pool
It's challenging though.
You need damages.
kash patel
Yeah.
tim pool
So for a lot of people it's hard to prove damages.
They can lie about you, destroy your reputation.
The crazy thing is the New York Times can lie about you.
It can have a serious impact on your career to the point where you lose jobs, but proving your career is negatively impacted by them.
kash patel
I'm good because I got it covered in space.
My lawyer won't want me to talk about it right now.
But what I'm trying to encourage people to do is it's difficult.
You're totally right.
But it's not impossible and it's worth doing.
And if you want to help us out, then go to FightWithCash and send us your case.
We'll review it for free.
And if we think it's a case, we'll get you the money for your lawyers wherever in the country you are and we'll file it for you.
That's the whole way.
You've got to go after these guys.
tim pool
We talked about this with James O'Keefe a little while ago, that we were calling it the People's Defamation Defense Fund, and he launched Project Veritas Legal to review people's claims and then take on whatever cases they can.
The challenging thing is, I think he was mentioning that they get inundated with all these people claiming they were defamed, but only a few of them are like, There are very few that are actionable.
kash patel
Absolutely.
And James does great work.
Project Veritas.
We were out in Devon's district together on the Nunes Freedom Tour earlier this year.
We had a great time.
He's doing a lot of good work on people who are fired improperly.
You know, that's not something I deal with, but that's something about you actually lost your source of income because of some political overreach or some defamatory conduct.
And I think he's doing some great work there.
And of course, you saw what happens when you're over the target.
You get the FBI to raid your office.
tim pool
Yeah, we have this somewhere.
unidentified
I'm trying to find the article. We also saw what happened to the Covington case. Oh
luke rudkowski
There's a huge case with a huge settlement that we still don't even know the full ramifications of but I bet there
was a bunch of people at CNN being like hey
We can't be that bad. And I think they just continued to be even worse in my opinion. Let's
tim pool
Let's talk about how serious things are getting.
This is interesting.
We have a story from Fox News.
Jonathan Turley says FBI's involvement in alleged theft of Ashley Biden's diary raises legitimate concern.
The FBI raided the home of Project Veritas founder James O'Keefe over a stolen diary belonging to President Biden's daughter.
The New York Post editorial board, I think, said this is beginning to look like a political prosecution of an opposition journalist.
So for those that don't know the story, Project Veritas apparently at some point came into contact with... Ashley Biden is Joe Biden's daughter, I believe, correct?
kash patel
Yes.
Which I didn't even know he had a daughter until like a week ago.
tim pool
Right.
So some Veritas journalists came into possession, I believe they did, of the diary and they said, we couldn't corroborate, so we tried turning it over.
The FBI raided James O'Keefe's house, I believe it was his house, as well as several of his... To get the diary, was it?
Of reporters.
I don't know why.
Like, what their claim is they had a search warrant.
kash patel
Did they get the diary?
I'm asking because I wasn't tracking this.
tim pool
I don't know for sure what their grounds for searching for it may have been.
It was part of a federal investigation into the stolen diary of Ashley Biden.
The New York Times reported the raid took place early Saturday morning, just days after the homes of two Project Veritas associates were also the subject of search warrants.
Quote, why would the FBI be coming in on this?
Turley asked on America Reports.
Project Veritas said it didn't run the information and notified local enforcement.
So there is a legitimate concern when the FBI becomes involved in this type of story as to whether it is going outside of those navigational beacons that we use to judge whether they are acting independently.
So I don't know if they were looking for the diary.
Perhaps they were.
A lot of people are saying this proves the diary is now true.
It's legitimately the diary, in which case there's a lot of Yeah.
really messed up stuff in there.
kash patel
So that I was just gonna say, can I play devil's advocate real quick?
Yeah, they might.
Maybe I doubt it, but maybe if the FBI was doing righteous investigations in this case,
needed information that's only found in the diary that can corroborate some pretty nasty
stuff there.
Because we know there's an open investigation against Hunter Biden.
It's still open in Delaware.
It hasn't closed.
I mean, I'm just playing devil's advocate.
tim pool
No, for sure.
I'm pretty sure it's against Joe Biden.
Like it's actually talking about her dad and like messed up stuff.
lydia smith
Yeah, a little messed up.
tim pool
Yeah, messed up stuff.
I don't, I don't, I don't know.
I mean, I'd like to believe the FBI heard about the diary and said, we need to get this because it proves Joe Biden did something wrong.
But it actually just sounds like the FBI is like, quick, protect the president, go after journalists.
kash patel
And that's, that's exactly what it looks like, unfortunately.
tim pool
So, so this is crazy.
Look, isn't the FBI going after the Russiagate hoaxers?
kash patel
Well, John Durham is.
I wouldn't say the FBI is.
I definitely wouldn't say Chris Wray and this FBI are doing anything to help correct the wrongs that were implemented under James Comey.
But I would say John Durham is by indicting these people and making this information public, which is very different.
tim pool
So it's special?
kash patel
It's special counsel.
tim pool
So this is scary.
kash patel
It's like 15 investigators that are huddled.
They're cordoned off from the rest of the FBI.
They don't report to anyone but John Durham.
John Durham reports to no one but the Attorney General.
It's a pretty close-knit circle, and it's going to keep going.
tim pool
So, we can combine a few of the segments we did earlier today.
We have the FBI going after Project Veritas.
We have the FBI having evidence in the Kenosha incident and not releasing it.
Apparently, they lost it.
This is aerial footage.
kash patel
They lost it?
tim pool
Yeah, apparently.
And then they recovered it recently.
Then we've got, apparently there's reports about when it comes to January 6th the FBI, fact check me on this one guys, they provided information to HBO but not to the defense or the defendants so the FBI had information relating to it that wasn't released.
It really sounds like the FBI as a whole is like, rogue.
Operating totally politically and targeting anyone who opposes the establishment party, the Democrats for the most part.
And the Neocon allies.
kash patel
And that's a hard argument to rebut.
And I'll only say this, that a lot of the guys I work with are still there.
They're not running it.
Every case you mentioned is one of the highest profile cases the FBI is handling right now.
So it goes to the director's doorstep, right?
Nothing happens in any of those cases without the director of the FBI knowing.
And I do still think that at the top of the FBI, there are people that don't want the American public to see what actually happened.
They don't want them to see evidence of innocence, like in the Rittenhouse case, where they're talking about the Jan 6th incidences.
There's, what, like 10,000 hours of footage they haven't turned over to Jan 6th defendants?
tim pool
Are these people just, like, they're in the cult?
They're true believers of the propaganda?
Or are they the puppet masters pushing the lies?
kash patel
Here's what I say.
I say this about Millie and DOD, and we can talk about all that and all, but 99% of the people who sign up to serve, sign up to serve the mission.
The very few at the top that have been corrupted, like the James Comeys and the Chris Rays and the Rod Rosensteins and the like, they think the mission exists to serve them.
And that's how I put it to people.
And that's the only way I've been able to successfully explain it.
luke rudkowski
To think that the FBI is doing the right thing here to go after wrongdoing inside the Biden administration is very optimistic.
kash patel
No, I know.
unidentified
That's why I said I was playing devil's advocate.
luke rudkowski
They did hold on to that Hunter Biden laptop for a while.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
And there's so many incidences of the FBI looking the other way.
I mean, there was documents stolen from Trump and the FBI never intervened, but they're intervening on this particular case that could make the president look bad.
Really shows you that the agency is definitely becoming more and more political because when you read the headlines, I remember when I read the headline, it sets a chilling effect.
It's meant to scare you.
It's meant to put fear in people and actual journalists who are going out there, putting their necks on the line, saying that, hey, I'm going to have the FBI break down my door if I try to break a story.
A legitimate story.
I think the case of Julian Assange also tells that story very perfectly.
A man that released documents, tried to do what the mainstream media used to do, and is still in jail for it.
I mean, that's a crazy story that I believe has a long time coming for some actual justice that hasn't been there.
kash patel
Yeah, Julian Assange, a whole other...
tim pool
Did you have anything to do with Julian Assange?
kash patel
Not personally, no.
I didn't work on those cases.
I probably saw the documents, but I didn't work on them.
tim pool
It's a good example of where a lot of us, a lot of people who are not, you know, Republicans, not traditional conservatives, thought Trump missed a huge opportunity.
There was Ross Ulbricht.
There was also Julian Assange.
People he could have pardoned.
And instead he was like, who did he pardon?
Like the former mayor of Detroit, who was like crooked or something?
luke rudkowski
Some rapper?
Didn't he have a rapper?
kash patel
People at the, you know, at the end of the administration, and I stayed through the whole, through the end and people, and I had not, I was the chief of staff at DOD, running DOD at the end, trying to figure out Afghanistan and everything else.
people could be calling me they'd be like hey can you get me a you know i know so and so can i get a presidential pardon i'm like what what do you want me to do like i'm in the you know the military like i'm not and also pardons you know they have some use but it's a really dirty business every administration always part clinton obama they're pardoning terrorists they're pardoning cronies why Andrew Cuomo.
luke rudkowski
He pardoned a whole bunch of really nasty people as well right before he went out of office.
tim pool
They owe favors I guess, huh?
Somebody gave him a kickback or what?
kash patel
They just continue to politicize the apparatus that's supposed to serve the people.
tim pool
It's money, man.
Well, yeah.
Look, you're on your way out of an executive office and someone's like, hey, in three years I can write you a check for 100 grand.
You're like, pardoned.
unidentified
Boom.
kash patel
Or remember when I wrote you that check for 50 million back then, you know?
tim pool
I funded your super PAC to the tune of $50 million.
Who do you want to pardon?
Fill it out to this person.
kash patel
That's why I wanted nothing to do with that business.
tim pool
This is crazy about Project Veritas, though.
I want to be careful how I say this, but James O'Keefe is very brave because he's got the most powerful people in the world mad at him.
kash patel
Yeah, I know what that's like.
tim pool
Yeah.
Isn't it weird, though?
I mean, you're in the Trump administration.
You were in a powerful position, and you were still being, like, assailed, essentially.
kash patel
Non-stop.
When I went over to DOD, I mean, Adam Schiff hasn't given up, and he never will, but that's fine.
I know every time he attacks me, I'm doing the right thing.
So, you know, he decided to give me his vendetta subpoena for Jan 6.
It's gonna cost me a fortune, but I know I'm doing the right thing.
tim pool
That dude is evil.
kash patel
I got nothing to hide.
tim pool
Well, so I don't want you to give away too many details on things you can't talk about, but how does it end up costing you money if they subpoena you?
kash patel
Lawyers.
I gotta go hire lawyers, a team of lawyers, to go in there and walk me through the entire process of reviewing documents, preparing for testimony, flying them in, then having them there.
Gotta get clearances turned back on, I used to have a security clearance.
All these logistics, you know, you start turning the till, lawyers are $500-$700 an hour.
tim pool
So what would happen if you didn't get any lawyers?
kash patel
Well, I mean, that would be dumb because then I'd be going over there unprepared, not ready to testify into not a courtroom, but a venue full of Adam Schiff and his cronies.
And that would just go poorly.
And that's what they do.
They hit you with these.
So they take you off mission.
Like for me, fight with cash and everything else I'm trying to do.
And then they're like, well, it's going to cost them a fortune.
So here you go.
And here's the kicker, right?
No one called me and said, hey Cash, do you want to come and testify?
Will you testify?
Have you written a letter?
Asked me to do it.
I've got nothing to hide.
I'll always tell the truth about Jan 6th, but they didn't do it on purpose.
tim pool
So I don't know if you can comment on this, but is this why Steve Bannon is like saying screw off?
kash patel
I think Steve's got a little different approach to this, and I think he's doing it because he just doesn't care, and he doesn't respect the authority of the committee.
Now, whether or not I have respect for any of the members on the committee, putting that aside, I still have respect for the Institution of Congress where I used to work, and I would like to actually honor that.
tim pool
These people are the definition of evil.
And if you're somebody who actually reads the news and you're an honest person, regardless of your politics, you can recognize Adam Schiff as an evil, evil man.
I don't like saying, you know, evil because I don't like using that word lightly.
But I mean, genuinely, when, you know, what did he do?
You mentioned earlier, he held up an envelope claiming, in the envelope, as evidence of Russiagate, making it up.
We learned in these private hearings, he was like, we've heard all the evidence, and then the transcripts come out, and it's like, never happened.
He's just straight up lying to people.
Oh, the phone records.
He released phone records of an American journalist and you?
kash patel
And me.
lydia smith
Incredible.
tim pool
Look, it was John Solomon.
He's an American journalist, right?
American journalist.
Adam Schiff released his private information.
kash patel
Mine too.
tim pool
And yours?
kash patel
Can I tell you what happened after stuff like that, the Jan Six subpoena and everything like that?
I got death threats.
I got multiple death threats.
I got called the nastiest things I've ever been called in my life.
And they asked to cut my head off repeatedly.
Not asked.
They said, we're going to come take out your head off.
Now, I don't care.
I can take it.
But my family's got to read that, right?
It's in, you know, it gets out.
It's in the media.
But these people on Capitol Hill, they don't care.
They don't care.
And these people being led by the number one problem in Congress, which is Adam Schiff.
tim pool
It's a crazy world when you know what's really going on.
When you look at the lawyer, I can't remember his name, who tweeted out, as soon as Trump got elected, we're going to impeach him.
Then he ends up being one of the impeachment lawyers.
They're clearly colluding and planning this from day one because they are psychopathic authoritarians who don't care about how democratic constitutional republics are supposed to work.
kash patel
Well, they do if it works for them.
But not if they lose.
luke rudkowski
Cash, can I get your understanding on this?
What do you think is happening here?
What do you think is motivating these people?
Do you think it's just a lust of power?
Or do you think there's something bigger, deeper?
Do you think there's like a deep state that are organizing and facilitating all of this?
How do you quantify everything from your kind of perspective on the inside?
kash patel
So here's the thing, right?
Politicians, some of them, maybe half of them, Love being on TV.
Love having their name up on the screens and being the talk of the town and going to fundraisers.
And the way you do that is you sensationalize whatever work is before you and you take credit for it.
Main example, Adam Schiff.
It's partly that and it's partly what am I going to do next?
They're always working for their next job, right?
And Adam Schiff's hilarious.
He wanted to be the senator that replaced Kamala Harris.
That didn't happen.
He wanted to be the state attorney general in California.
That didn't happen.
So now this guy's quickly being the Russiagate lead who is being run out of D.C.
without a job.
And oh, by the way, this guy's a congressman from Hollywood.
He hasn't lived in Hollywood in a decade.
He has a house in Maryland with his family.
tim pool
Maryland.
kash patel
Yep.
tim pool
Because he works in D.C., so.
He has a can.
Yep.
kash patel
He can break the law.
tim pool
So, when we look at what the FBI's been doing, right, so withholding evidence, targeting journalists, I don't know if you had any insight in that stuff, but Luke brought this up.
A lot of people like to mention the deep state, or the administrative state, or the bureaucratic state.
How would you describe it?
I think it's fair to say that there is something there.
kash patel
Yeah, sure.
luke rudkowski
I mean, they were working in collusion, all of them, in line.
They were pushing the same agenda, the same talking points, the same narrative.
It was perfectly organized.
tim pool
But tell us about it from your perspective.
kash patel
Sorry, I didn't bring it all together.
So it's the politicians, it's the media, and it's this Quantity of the deep state.
And I don't want to give it too much meaning.
There is a deep state that's working for, with these politicians, these rogue politicians, right?
Remember the whole whistleblower for the Russiagate hoax that led to Trump's impeachment on Ukraine?
That was perpetrated by, of course, none other than Adam Schiff and company.
And he used the media to say, check out this whistleblower.
He's got the keys to the kingdom.
We're going to prove Trump needs to be impeached.
That whistleblower ended up being someone in government, in the intelligence community, right?
And they combine the forces of the political realm, the media realm, and one or two... And big tech.
tim pool
Because if we say his name, this video, this stream will get pulled.
kash patel
Not going to say his name, but I'm going to talk about it.
tim pool
That's how serious it is when they're like, there's no deep state, whatever.
I don't care what you call it.
When there's a guy And here's a name we can say.
Kevin Clinesmith.
For those that don't know it, right?
I know we keep going back to Russiagate.
his name without YouTube taking the video down, maybe you need to put two and two together
and think, wow, there are dirty corrupt individuals working at big tech media and in politics.
kash patel
And here's, here's a name we can say Kevin Kleinsmith for those that don't know it, right?
You want to I know we keep going back to Russiagate.
Kevin Kleinsmith, an FBI attorney, speaking of Deep State, took a document during the
Trump Russiagate investigation that was presented to Fisk and changed it.
He literally changed it.
The target of the search warrant was Charter Page.
And he literally, the information was Carter Page was assisting other government agencies
in the United States of America.
You know what he did?
He took, he literally doctored the document to say was not.
Yeah, this guy lied got caught by John Durham is a convicted felon now And this is why people think there is a deep state because clowns like that Can think I'm gonna get away with this because I got the political top cover from the likes of Adam Schiff The media is gonna love me and hero me and somebody's gonna give me a big contract and he goes on to be a convicted felon But there are way bigger fish.
Way bigger, way bigger.
tim pool
And he gets thrown under the bus, because who is he?
Kevin Kleinsmith?
kash patel
Yeah, he's some mediocre FBI attorney.
And that's what I tell people.
I'm like, do you think this guy perpetrated the biggest hoax in American history on his own?
tim pool
What about the meeting with, was it Comey, Sally Yates?
kash patel
The 25th thing?
tim pool
Yeah, Obama was there too, wasn't he?
kash patel
Oh, no, no, that was right before Trump got in.
I think that's right.
tim pool
They all met together in Comey.
Yeah, there was the letter.
He was taking notes.
kash patel
Yeah.
And Obama's like, do everything by the book, I think was the message.
And Susan Rice was in that meeting and she wrote this classified email that took me two years to declassify.
And when it finally came out, it showed that basically they were trying to set up an incoming president.
tim pool
She basically like wrote herself an email exonerating herself.
kash patel
Yeah, I didn't do anything wrong.
unidentified
Right, right.
kash patel
All these people did.
luke rudkowski
What do you think about Chuck Schumer's comments when he kind of gave a veil threat to Donald
Trump saying that if you mess with the intelligence agencies, they have seven ways to Sunday in order
to get back at you. I mean, that was a big statement. A lot of people were wondering,
what does he mean by that? He's very connected to, of course, the intelligence committee.
So he has a lot of play and a lot of sway. How was your kind of reaction to that?
kash patel
I mean as a guy who was in the intelligence community, who used it to target terrorists around the world, who used it to – I was a deputy director of our national intelligence community, right?
As a guy who ran and said we should focus on threats that matter – Iran, China, Russia, terrorists, bringing home hostages, things that matter to the president.
Um, to say that we're going to then threaten to take these guys off mission to target people who colluded with Russia is offensive to me and everybody that I worked with.
And I, and I know there's a lot of people that are still in government that feel that way because I'm still friends with them.
But when you have one of those most powerful politicians in America say that, it only weakens our apparatus.
And you know what we're focusing on now?
Joe Biden goes to G20 and he's talking about the weather.
tim pool
Yeah.
You think there's going to be some kind of national divorce or dissolution of the United States?
A lot of people.
kash patel
I know, man.
And I guess maybe I'm just in love with the idea of America too much that I can see that happening.
Being a son of an immigrant.
Actually, my dad actually fled a genocidal dictator and lived the American dream and then watched his son go work in the White House.
I think maybe that ride has given me too much faith in the system.
And I'd still like to think that it'll succeed.
tim pool
I don't like to be too pessimistic or, you know, black-billed, as it were, but, like, everything we talk about, the story about these corrupt individuals pushing these lies for years and getting away with it, for the most part, we'll see how many of them are going to get, you know, continually get indicted.
And then you have just the culture conflict, the culture war itself.
You have the different states.
Joe Biden says, you know, he comes out earlier this year, like, we're going to need more mandates, clearly not talking to red states, where Texas and Florida were doing the exact opposite.
You got the report out of last year from the Boston Globe that John Podesta, who was he the head of the Hillary
campaign?
Yeah.
2016?
Yeah.
Said he, they reported he encouraged the West Coast to secede from the Union in the event Donald Trump wins.
Look man.
kash patel
I know, you're right.
tim pool
Look at Virginia. The Republicans swept this off-cycle election.
Really, really well. State, we had a trucker in New Jersey.
kash patel
This is the best story.
tim pool
He spent 153 bucks and beat the incumbent Democrat who's refusing to concede saying like, no, no, I'm not going to
lose.
This trucker is like, oh wow, I guess I won.
People were so anti-establishment at this point.
They're so anti-Democrat.
They're like, I'll vote for literally whoever the Republican is.
So come 2022, Republican tsunami.
Come 2024, another Republican presidency.
Are these, are the Democrat operatives going to be like, oh, all that stuff we said about wanting to secede.
We've changed our minds now that we've lost.
kash patel
No, they're not going to do that.
They're just going to have the media carry their water again and just like shift topic and say, we never said that.
This is what we're focusing on now.
China, Russia, Trump, you know, the Trump-Russia collusion narrative 2.0.
And Christopher Steele's kid will probably be pumping in information now.
tim pool
And the Republican Party will sit on their hands and say, OK, we'll do nothing.
kash patel
Our leadership, look, I agree with you, man.
Our leadership, having worked in Congress, look, I went at it with Paul Ryan.
tim pool
At it.
kash patel
When I was on the House Intel Committee.
I took me four months to convince that guy to give me a subpoena so I could prove to the world that Hillary Clinton paid for the dossier.
Four months!
And when I did, and I went back to him, and I didn't do it exactly how I told you so, but I was like, how about the other subpoenas so I can get to work on behalf of the American public?
tim pool
But I think it's because people like Paul Ryan, the establishment Republicans, no different from the establishment Democrats.
It's the uniparty.
unidentified
Totally.
tim pool
And I, you know, I view it as Donald Trump was the insurgent candidate who stormed his way in and he brought in some good people.
He didn't fire enough of the bad people.
kash patel
That's it.
unidentified
Yeah.
kash patel
No, no.
That's it.
People ask me, how do you fix it the next go around?
The bench.
Personnel matters.
And I think what President Trump did was he entrusted too much of the careers in government to be like, no, no, this is... Really?
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
John Bolton, he was sitting down with Henry Kissinger before he even got into office.
kash patel
We can talk about Milley, but I think they learned their lesson
and I think they know, and the bench exists.
The bench exists of people.
And when I came into it, I wasn't a political guy.
And Trump is not this like neo-conservative guy.
He's basically like in the middle.
New York Democrat? Yeah.
I mean, and I grew up with the guy in New York, so I got it.
I understood it.
luke rudkowski
Well, he flip-flopped between like a globalist and a patriot, which he even called himself that.
But to kind of continue the conversation, we talk about the media a lot.
How do you view the media?
Do you see them as kind of these vultures?
These kind of energy vampires?
These kind of demons?
tim pool
Smear merchants?
kash patel
Not the Tim Pool show.
luke rudkowski
Or do you see them as agents that are controlled?
Because there is some circumstantial evidence suggesting that the intelligence agencies do spin off the mainstream media, do write certain scripts, do insert stories and narratives that are centrally kind of written and narrated for the mainstream media to follow.
So how are the intelligence agencies working with the media?
Because there's so much circumstantial evidence of that.
kash patel
Unfortunately, I'll go one step further.
It's not circumstantial, it's direct.
Look, we see and have seen in the last five years the leak of classified information
to substantiate a false media narrative over and over again.
That's a felony.
Yeah.
Releasing classified, I'll give you a perfect example.
Russia, not Russiagate, Russia Bountygate, right?
Okay. Oh yeah.
A year and a half or two years ago, it was said that this information was given out to,
I don't know if it was Washington Post or whoever it was, but basically saying President Trump was aware
that Putin was taking American money to have American soldiers killed.
I mean, just hit pause on that for a second.
How offensive is that?
If you're serving in the US military.
We, at the time, I think I was Deputy Director of National Intelligence.
I knew the intelligence.
We didn't go out and leak the actual intelligence just to correct the record because A, that's a felony and it's illegal.
Fast forward a year, what happens under the Biden administration, the intelligence community comes out and says, oh, actually, we got that one wrong.
Sorry.
And of course, the people that wrote about it didn't didn't change their tune.
But that's a direct example of how the media perpetrates a fraud at the behest of their political overlords.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
And then there's a lot of lies told by anonymous kind of government agents.
And then every time I see a government spokesperson or representative from the government, I'm like, I doubt that story officially.
I mean, we had the Syrian gas attacks that were again put in a huge question.
But I have a question.
I'm sorry for kind of interjecting here, but I'm so curious.
Whatever happened to the CIA declassification of the JFK documents that Donald Trump Wanted to release said I can't control myself.
I'm sorry.
I need to know what was going on here Donald Trump's like I need to release this We're releasing it to the people the people demand to know and we're gonna give the people what they want We're gonna give them the information Unredacted from the JFK documents and then the CIA came in said no no no no not not so quick there Trump and then kind of made Trump stop and His larger seeking of the truth with the JFK assassination.
kash patel
You're probably not going to like my answer on this.
But basically, I think under the Trump administration, he did put out some more of the JFK documents.
What he didn't put out, which I've reviewed, I think what's out there is what you need to know.
tim pool
Are you saying without revealing any classified information, people would be disappointed?
luke rudkowski
Well, it's true because the government sometimes classifies stuff that doesn't even need to be classified.
So there's that as well.
It's a misdirection.
It's about confusing people.
kash patel
Yeah, every time.
People are always, you know, the sexiness of classified information.
60% of classified information that I've read or produced in my career, I'm like, why is this classified?
luke rudkowski
Usually a lot of it is in the mainstream media.
But I still don't think we know the larger truth about JFK personally.
That's just my own personal perspective and my own personal opinion.
But I was dying to know, why did Trump back down?
Because he did lose that one publicly in the public eye.
Because he was like, I'm going to do this.
I guarantee this to the American people.
The CIA said, nope.
And Donald Trump was like, OK.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
And that was the story.
And that was a story of showing me like, okay, what's really happening here?
There must be some kind of power structure that Donald Trump can't break through.
tim pool
It can be something completely unrelated that you don't realize,
like something in a report overlaps with a report related to Cuba.
So they're just like, we don't wanna get that one out there
because people could infer from this.
luke rudkowski
This was in the 50s.
Like this, we're talking about decades ago.
Is there any, I mean, other than implicating maybe the Bushes,
but like, we're talking, what implications would there be from the 50s?
kash patel
Let me just give you an example of, generally speaking,
having run some of these investigations.
The FBI almost never closes some of its biggest investigations.
Some of them are 70 years old.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
kash patel
It's an ongoing investigation.
The reason you keep it open is because it allows you more wiggle room to work in the future, in the now and in the future.
And so, you know, like Tim was saying, like 70 years later, like what does A have to do with Z from back then?
Nothing.
But it's just connected to the same investigation.
tim pool
There could be one person involved in multiple operations.
luke rudkowski
Still ongoing?
tim pool
Yes.
luke rudkowski
Right now?
From the- I'm not- Maybe.
I'm just saying- I'm not saying you're not true, but I'm saying the possibility of that is very unlikely.
You could be right, but who knows?
kash patel
So you're saying that- I'll make you a deal.
If President Trump wins in 2024, we'll make you a special government employee.
unidentified
You'll tell me.
I would.
kash patel
You'll review the documents and you'll make the call.
luke rudkowski
I would love that.
tim pool
Are you going to work with Trump in 2024?
kash patel
He goes in, I go in.
luke rudkowski
That is a verbal contract that is legally bound by the laws of the internet.
kash patel
If Adam Schiff and China are listening, that was a joke.
tim pool
So one of the funniest things is when we all got sick, the therapy we got, I guess it was also like 200 members of Congress got the same treatment.
The funny thing about this, we get sick.
I call the doctor and the doctor's like, take this stuff.
And I'm like, okay.
And then, you know, I was like, I got people who are sick and they're like, we think everybody should get the therapy that monoclonal antibodies.
And then I guess Joe mentioned on his show, is this true that like 200 members of Congress got a similar treatment?
luke rudkowski
And their family members.
tim pool
And their family members.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
And I just thought it was really funny when I was like, hey, Luke, isn't it funny that you are getting the same treatment as the Illuminati?
unidentified
Kind of caught me off guard there.
luke rudkowski
But I did have a doctor's prescription for ivermectin, but that's another story.
I shared a lot of those stories on my own channel and on my own perspective.
tim pool
But what am I supposed to do when the doctor says, I want you to take this?
I actually said no to the doctor at first and they were like, you have to.
And I'm like, OK, do I take Don Lemon's word for it or do I, you know?
unidentified
Joe Rogan.
Well, you don't have to do anything.
kash patel
I mean, look, the COVID origins, the whole mandate, all that stuff has just unfortunately
again turned into political football, political theater rather than what happened.
Where did it come from?
We have really good intel on COVID origins, right?
Again, I was back at ODNI running the IC, and part of our job is to brief the president,
presidential daily briefing.
We take the most sensitive intelligence, we walk into the Oval and we say, hey, Mr. President,
X, Y, and Z.
He makes a decision with his cabinet.
decided based on those briefings we're gonna shut down travel from China.
He's a racist.
Fast forward, turns out the whole world issued shut down, travel shut downs, and they're
still ongoing.
tim pool
Only just recently did the Canadian border and the UK to the US and the EU.
kash patel
And so this is just another example of the media carrying the water, leaking false information
from the deep state and the government to perpetuate a fraud or just make Donald Trump
look bad.
And I gotta say this, this is sort of related but not really, but I always, I promised the
brothers that I serve with that I would say this.
So, the vaccine mandate.
Here's the thing that ticks me off the most, okay?
We did the Afghan withdrawal, we did it the right way, Biden comes in and wrecks the thing, right?
13 service members die, bringing them back, but we fly 125,000 refugees back here.
Don't vet them, nobody gets a COVID test, nobody gets a COVID mandate vaccine.
Southern border, illegal immigrants getting stopped at the border, being allowed to come in, none of them are tested for COVID or given a COVID vaccine mandate.
But my brothers in the Special Forces community have to decide about taking a COVID vaccine mandate or taking an E for America.
And that, I think, is the worst, worst crime that's being committed right now.
luke rudkowski
Especially with people who can't take it.
And doctors are saying not to take it.
There's a reason.
I mean, Aaron Rodgers, a professional football player, was talking about how he has allergies that prevents him from taking this.
tim pool
And that's on the CDC's website.
This is the crazy thing.
The website says, here's the ingredients.
You can read them for yourself.
If you have allergies to them, you should not take this vaccine.
And Aaron Rodgers was like, oh yeah, two of those ingredients I have an allergy to.
luke rudkowski
NBC News released a great article, surprisingly, I'm surprised that they, I can't believe I'm saying this myself, about the monocle antibody treatment, showing how it lasts over eight months and gives people a lot of protection and prevents a lot of serious cases from developing.
The NBA ruled, if you're in the NBA, you took the Johnson & Johnson shot, two months after taking it, you need another booster shot.
Pfizer, Moderna, you need it every six months.
to be compliant with their vaccine passports, which of course they're implementing in professional sports, but they already implemented in Israel.
Israel, people have been forced to take a third invasive medical procedure to be compliant with being able to live in a society.
unidentified
I mean, that's just absolutely- Here's the scary thing about all of it, right?
kash patel
We created the COVID vaccines in like seven months.
Polio vaccines took seven years.
tim pool
Work speed.
kash patel
Seven years, right?
And I'm not saying you shouldn't have done it, right?
It should be an option for those who want to take it.
But here's the other thing.
We don't know the long-term effects of this at all.
Nobody's been tested beyond a year and a half.
tim pool
And again, this is in the FDA insert on the community vaccine.
It says long-term trials are currently underway.
So you got to be careful because YouTube's like, you know, they'll come after you if you say basic facts.
Like Crowder's gotten hit on YouTube several times for just citing the CDC.
But you know what?
What am I supposed to do?
Not say these things?
Like it's the truth.
The FDA literally said it.
kash patel
But the problem that Americans are now facing or have been facing is because thanks to the likes of Fauci and everything, They don't know what to trust.
They don't know if I can trust the NIH.
They don't know if I can trust the CDC or the FDA.
Because every time this guy goes to the podium and says one thing, in another month he's saying the exact opposite.
tim pool
Why didn't Trump fire Fauci?
kash patel
I mean, I wish he had fired a lot of other people, but I throw Fauci.
luke rudkowski
Sure.
Who's top on your list?
tim pool
Like Millie?
kash patel
Millie is definitely up there.
You know, back in the Comey, we got rid of him.
So that was good.
But like Rod Rosenstein, oh man, Gina Haspel, Paul Nakasone at NSA.
I mean, the whole, like there was just a big crew of people that just didn't.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
Gina Haspel has, I mean, oh my, I mean, there's so many stories that are absolutely crazy about her.
Can I tell you?
I can't even say like what she's accused of.
kash patel
Can I tell you what the former director of the CIA was doing when Russia gate broke on British shores with Christopher Steele secretly meeting with all the people in England?
Gina Haspel was leading up our intelligence apparatus in the Kingdom United.
unidentified
Wow.
luke rudkowski
Huh.
So she would know more than anyone else.
You would think!
She would be the one that had the eyes to understand this entire situation and make the right shots and make the right calls for it.
tim pool
So bigger than Watergate?
luke rudkowski
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
100%.
luke rudkowski
But the Watergate broke.
The Watergate, the media was able to actually have humility.
kash patel
There was indictment.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, they were able to look at themselves and be like, hey, we lied.
This wasn't true.
This is the actual truth here based on the documents.
tim pool
But back then, you still had a media.
The political operatives learned, like, we got to control the media before we pull something like this off again.
kash patel
Well, you guys are the pros.
What do you think?
Do you think we get to a position where the media issue, not all of it, most of it issues a correction or a course?
tim pool
No way.
So look, here's what's happening with the media.
Brian Stelter, for instance.
You think he's going to report on any of this stuff?
No, he's not.
Of course he's not.
kash patel
Is he the guy that doesn't wear shorts on TV, or is that someone else?
unidentified
That's him.
There's a photo of him showing his full view with short shorts.
kash patel
By the way, we're not doing that.
We're all closed here.
tim pool
Yeah, we are all closed.
These are companies that know their ratings are in the gutter, and they know that if they were actually going to do news, they'd have to report the truth now, but then they would lose money.
So, it's a crazy thing when you build your... I'll put it this way.
Obviously, you know, we have our perspective, but I think our perspective here is really based on news reports that we can verify to the best of our abilities.
That means I do use CNN very often.
I got CNN articles pulled up right now.
We didn't use them.
But when I can verify it, I want to use those sources.
kash patel
100%.
tim pool
The problem with a lot of these sources, CNN.com is actually not that bad.
Foxnews.com is pretty good.
Their cable pundits are where you'll get the opinion stuff and the stuff that's kind of broken.
Fox News, Tucker Carlson does a good job.
I'm not a big fan of Ingram and Hannity, but they're all right.
MSNBC is complete trash.
CNN is complete trash.
And they've built their business around Trump sucks, right?
kash patel
Yeah.
tim pool
So they cannot come out and say good things about Trump ever for any reason.
Because when you dedicate your entire lineup to this is why Trump is bad, Here's what happens.
CNN used to have regular viewers.
I used to have CNN running 24-7 while I'm working.
This is legit.
Until I think it was like three or four years ago.
When all of a sudden I realized that they stopped talking about news and were only talking about Trump, I turned it off and put on Fox.
Fox was talking about Hong Kong and Iran and stuff like that.
I left.
CNN knows I left.
They know other moderate individuals like me who want the news left.
They know their only viewers now are the fervent cult members.
If they now try and course correct, they'll lose everyone because they're not getting me back.
So they decide to stay the course.
We built up this show for the most part on kind of pissing off everybody.
kash patel
You seem to be doing okay.
tim pool
But it's because I think most people who watch the show, like they disagree with me all the time and tell me I'm wrong, but it's like we're trying our best to be factual and consistent and honest about what's going on.
So, hardcore Trump supporters are mad at me.
Obviously Antifa people don't like me.
The Trump supporters got really mad at me because right after the election I said Trump lost.
And the left is now claiming that I've claimed Trump won, when I never did.
And the right's mad at me, or I shouldn't say the right, but like Trump supporters, like his hardcore advocates, are mad at me for saying he did lose.
It's like a weird space to be in.
But I feel like as long as we just try and pull up the facts and fact-check them to the best of our abilities, then the people who are going to watch are those who actually care about being right and not political tribalism.
Truth.
CNN, however, is trapped.
We're at a point where I can come out and say, hey, you know that thing right-wing person said?
That's wrong.
And they'll be like, well, you know, that's Tim.
CNN, if they come out and say we were wrong about Trump, they'll get roasted.
They'll get annihilated.
So they're trapped forever.
kash patel
They have no more viewership.
tim pool
Yep.
That's it.
That's where they are forever.
kash patel
That's terrible.
tim pool
Let's talk to our audience, though.
Let's go to Super Chats and see what everybody has to say.
There's probably a lot of questions, and probably a lot of questions about where we were and COVID and all that stuff.
But let's address some of these Super Chats.
And we got this one.
Here's the first one.
Let's see, how do we?
Recrimmorson Lemniscate.
All right, I'm trying.
He says, Tim, I'm starting to think you might be fake news, lol.
The NIH added ivermectin to their COVID-19 treatment list in August.
Hard to find, but it's there.
Fake news!
What they actually did was there's a list of NIH treatments currently approved or undergoing trial.
Ivermectin is undergoing several different trials in the United States.
It has not been FDA approved for treating COVID.
There are a lot of studies and ultimately, I just say this, you got to talk to your doctor.
If the left gets really, really mad, I'm like, the story's simple.
I called the doctor and they were like, this is the typical treatment.
Maryland has monoclonal antibody centers.
It's crazy.
This is an EUA approved treatment.
And then it just so happened to have a doctor who said, I would like to get you on ivermectin and azithromycin just in case, because that's what the doctor said.
And I said, okay.
That was it.
But a lot of people are sharing this thing from the NIH thinking that it means it's approved treatment.
It's not.
So you can read it.
It says trials.
All right.
Thready says, shout out to Nick Requieta and Requieta Media for epic live streams for the Rittenhouse trial.
Absolutely.
That viral clip when they were like directed verdict was so much fun.
So much fun.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
I have to jump ahead because a lot of people are saying there's no audio, no audio.
lydia smith
We fixed it.
tim pool
So, uh, Mike Hilton says, did I miss something?
Love listening to your podcast while working.
It hasn't updated in almost two weeks.
What's up?
Take care.
We all got COVID.
lydia smith
That's what happened.
tim pool
Everybody got sick.
kash patel
Everyone's back.
tim pool
And, um, uh, our good friend Joe Rogan covered the treatment for everybody cause he is a really, really nice guy and, and, and he's able to do it.
And a few of the other people here, uh, I covered the costs for because I like to help people out, I suppose.
luke rudkowski
You socialist.
tim pool
Yeah.
Uh, yeah.
I tweeted at, uh, Bridget, Bridget Phetasy, uh, tweeted something like, this is a really expensive treatment.
And I was like, I responded with, I take care of people and I'm a commie.
And she's like, I'm glad to hear that you're all right and a commie.
luke rudkowski
But I was, you know, I'm joking, but, but seriously, thank you, Joe Rogan for helping us out.
Really, really means a lot.
And we really appreciate it.
tim pool
I feel kind of bad because we don't need someone to do that for us, but Joe was like, I want to take care of you guys.
luke rudkowski
It's still very nice of him to go out of his way to do that.
tim pool
Absolutely, absolutely.
I've got to be honest, I feel like I was really bad.
My lungs were really bad.
I was struggling to breathe.
And I feel like if I didn't talk to Joe about it and just ignored it and thought, you know, I'm just gonna sit this one out, I probably would have ended up in the ER.
luke rudkowski
You were still in the beginning phases.
I talked to the nurse and she was like, you're just getting into this.
This was only the beginning for you.
tim pool
By day two, I hadn't, so it's day three, I hadn't slept.
I couldn't.
It was impossible to sleep.
I could barely breathe and I hadn't eaten.
I couldn't, I was struggling to eat.
So, thankfully I have a very amazing girlfriend who is helping take care of me while I'm sick, and finally it got to the point where I was like, I gotta call and talk to someone, because like, I was thinking, when the first doctor said, it's a virus, sleep it off.
I was thinking, this is probably the worst of it.
And it started getting worse.
So finally that night I was like, it's way worse.
It was like rapidly escalating in how bad it was getting.
And so I called Joe and then I was just like, I don't know man.
You know, I talked to a doctor and he was like, bro, take it seriously.
Don't ignore it.
Cause I got sick and you've seen what... So then I was like, okay, okay.
I'm going to start, you know, I'm going to call another doctor.
I called one other doctor and they were like, you're sounding like you're getting bad.
So we're going to, you know, give you the full monoclonal antibodies and all this stuff.
And then I talked to Joe again.
That's when he was like, I'm going to take care of you guys and I want to make sure everyone's safe.
But I genuinely believe if I didn't follow up, if I just thought to myself, I'll sleep this one off, I would have ended up in the ER.
And I would have been there for, I don't know how long.
I don't think I would have died or anything.
I don't know for sure.
But I couldn't breathe.
unidentified
It was crazy.
I was like...
tim pool
And I skate almost every day.
I've been doing, you know, for the most part, Tito for a while, but people just, I think there's a chance you get hit bad.
kash patel
Yeah.
tim pool
Most people my age, like my risk factors are really low, but I just got hit like a nuke, man.
Everybody else seemed to be moderately okay.
Got treated and everyone got better real quick.
All right, let's read some more.
Shannon M. says, Cash, you're a hero and so fine.
Luke's still my celebrity crush, though.
kash patel
Oh, man!
I thought I was going to one-up you.
luke rudkowski
Thank you.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Derek Bambenic says, Kyle isn't out of the woods yet, but this does put a smile on my face.
You know, it is great to watch the trial and hear the truth, even from, you know, like the prosecution when they bring their witness and the truth comes out and you're like, I'm glad to hear it.
But it doesn't mean Kyle's going to get a fair assessment.
kash patel
No.
tim pool
You get to hear it on TV.
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
Yeah, they're a great way of starting conversations or making enemies very quickly.
But I get a lot of high fives.
I get a lot of thumbs up.
I get a lot of people coming up to me like, this is awesome.
This is great.
in this. Also, Luke, I have two of your shirts and everyone love them.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, they're a great way of starting conversations or making enemies very quickly. But I get
a lot of high fives. I got a lot of thumbs up. I get a lot of people coming up to me
like this is awesome. This is great. So thanks for helping and supporting me on thebestpoliticalshirts.com.
tim pool
Do you think there's a possibility that they charge gross croits after the case?
kash patel
Criminally?
Yeah.
No.
If he gets acquitted, he, Rittenhouse, he might have some moves in civil court to go after them and maybe even the attorney's office, the state attorney's office, but that's a steep, steep fight.
tim pool
Toy Painter says, if Kyle is found not guilty, the crooked feds will swoop in with civil rights charges.
kash patel
They could.
tim pool
They did that with Chauvin.
kash patel
Yeah, you could always come in and issue, and they usually wait for the state court criminal cases to play out first, and the DOJ then takes a look at civil rights violations, and they could.
tim pool
So, PRCE5 says, apparently Kyle cleared a malfunction before shooting Grosskrutz, so Kyle might have tried to shoot while his hands were up.
Light primer strike.
ALS HD drone footage doesn't sound good for Kyle either.
Still self-defense.
I don't know if that's true, though.
I think in the video you can see him pull the rack back, but that doesn't mean anything.
I mean, the jury could be convinced by it, but it doesn't mean that he did try and shoot somebody.
It just means he was clearing a malfunction.
kash patel
No, it's a fact they gotta consider.
tim pool
Yeah, he may have fired at the one guy and then saw the malfunction and then cleared it, you know But but that's what that's I think it's important to bring up because it's you know to act like the defense Has only been winning and there's nothing the state has now that's crazy.
The state has their emotional play Especially getting this guy out there nearly crying I feel like that Rosencrantz, is that his name?
unidentified
Rosenbaum?
He's like basically a skinhead, white nationalist looking dude.
tim pool
He's not.
unidentified
That's what he looks like, though.
And he's like, shoot me, N-word!
He's screaming the N-word.
Shoot me, N-word!
If that had been a black guy...
You would see riots and pitchforks and stuff lit on fire right now because he was like a skinheaded white dude.
It's like the media is all on the side of Rittenhouse on this one.
It's like it's... Wait, what?
Water under the bridge.
tim pool
The media absolutely is not on the side of Rittenhouse.
And they've been framing every... No, no, no, no, no, no.
unidentified
They're not going after him like they did with Chauvin.
tim pool
No way, dude.
unidentified
There's just no pitchfork.
tim pool
Every story they wrote today was like, victim says he thought I was going to die.
And the story is like, I knew that if I didn't confront this active shooter, it would mean more harm.
And I knew that if I approached him, I might die.
And that's how they framed everything.
And Newsweek wrote, Rittenhouse, they said witness testifies that Rittenhouse held him at gunpoint while he reloaded his gun.
Like, first of all, That never happened.
He never testified to that.
And there's nothing in any video that Kyle Rittenhouse held anybody up.
The media has absolutely been framing this one.
If you've only read mainstream news about Kyle Rittenhouse, you'd have no idea what's going on.
unidentified
I guess it's relative to a situation that didn't happen, because there wasn't like a black dude that was screaming, kill me, n-word, shoot me.
You're saying that if it was like... If it had been a racial, if it had been a black and white thing, this would be another universe.
tim pool
There are activists tweeting, like, Kyle Rittenhouse killed three black people, and it's like, no he didn't.
That never happened.
But they're tweeting it, they're saying it.
unidentified
And honestly, it shouldn't matter, because justice is blind, but that seems like that's influencing their reaction.
tim pool
I'll tell you, you wanna know the craziest thing I saw today?
I went on Reddit.
The second highest upvoted post on Reddit was the picture of the prosecutor facepalming, and it said, And the comments were like, Like, this is Reddit of all places!
comments were like, open and shut case self-defense done.
Like this is Reddit of all places.
And they were like, it's self-defense.
Then you get the activists being like, why did you carry a gun across state lines?
And immediately people were like, that never happened.
You've not been watching the trial.
It was, he got the weapon in Kenosha from his quote unquote brother, a good friend, who sold him out to try and avoid criminal charges himself.
Talk about brutal.
Yeah, the dude who gave Rittenhouse the gun claims that Rittenhouse stole it from his house.
And then the defense got him to testify that you're being criminally charged by this same prosecutor for giving a weapon to Rittenhouse, and he's like, yes.
And he's like, and you're hoping that by testifying against Kyle, you'll get a lighter sentence.
And he's like, yes.
unidentified
Nice.
tim pool
This is so dirty, man.
Alright, we got Ernie Bio.
He says, Cash, you're a beast.
Eric July is 100% right.
The system is beyond reform and the answer is decentralization.
Crowder made a great point saying anyone running under the R ticket needs to put disbanding the FBI at the top.
kash patel
Well, there you go.
tim pool
What's Good says Trump-Pompeo ticket 2024 landslide win.
Please tell me if I'm wrong in your opinion, Tim.
I believe you are wrong.
I think DeSantis should run.
kash patel
Here's what I'll tell you.
One, Trump and Pompeo will never be a ticket.
Two, if President Trump decides to run in 2024, DeSantis will not run.
But if Trump does not run, I do agree with you, Tim, that I think it's Ron's to have.
tim pool
I think Trump could lose.
I think based on what we just saw in the last election, based on what we might see in 2022, I'm not entirely convinced Republicans are going to win in 2022 either.
It's historically supposed to be a Republican suite because of the presidency.
This is typically what you see.
But there are a lot of rule changes.
There's universal mail-in voting.
There's redistricting.
I mean, that's all good.
The redistricting is good for Republicans.
The historical trends is good for Republicans.
So maybe they'll win.
And maybe this means that you could put a ham sandwich on as a Republican ticket in 2024 and people would vote for it for president because look what happened with the state senator in New Jersey.
This trucker guy was just like, I put in a hundred bucks, signed up to win, to run, and then the people voted for me.
So maybe, maybe.
It might be anybody.
My concern with Trump is when you look at Virginia, suburban housewives voted for Youngkin.
Suburban housewives do not vote for Donald Trump.
kash patel
Three years is a long political time.
tim pool
It is.
Eternity, man.
So maybe, maybe, man.
He can always declare a mistrial if moved by the defense to do that.
is it possible for the judge to declare a mistrial if the verdict comes back guilty
kash patel
because it'd be clear the trial has not been fair? He can always declare a mistrial if moved by the
defense to do that. But I mean, a directed verdict 1% of the time?
A mistrial after the jury's already come back with their verdict?
Maybe 1% of that 1%?
tim pool
Doesn't seem likely.
I don't think the defense would want a mistrial, right?
They're pretty confident.
kash patel
Yeah, and that's the other thing.
They're pretty confident, so they... I don't see why they would even raise that.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
All right, Michael Weston.
Big fan of your work with the CIA, Michael Weston.
He says, freedom phone updates, or what do you guys think about showing everyone how to do it
themselves on Minds or Timcast.com? We ordered, they're backlogged, right?
unidentified
Yeah, we weren't able to order them, so we'll have to try and order those again, but last time we were using multiple cards and getting denied.
tim pool
The problem is, if we request special phones from them, we get Potemkin phones, and then what's the point?
And if I order them or put them under the name of people who are obvious, so it has to be done through people they won't recognize, to addresses they won't recognize, and there was a backlog and we couldn't put the orders through.
But we're trying.
It's not so easy, I suppose.
Nolan Hempe says, y'all should get Rekia DeLaw on to talk about the trial after it's over.
He's done a great job covering every detail of the trial.
Absolutely would love to have Rekia DeLaw on the show.
That'd be great.
We're going to be in Austin next week.
Yes.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
You can announce that?
kash patel
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
luke rudkowski
We're going to be in Austin.
It's going to be incredible.
I'm so excited about it.
We're doing more trips, which is going to be a lot of fun.
There's a lot of characters in Austin, so expect a really, really jam-packed show.
tim pool
Yeah.
Andy, who's our tech guy, has been building our mobile production studio.
luke rudkowski
He's great.
He's been working nonstop.
tim pool
Miracle worker.
Tech genius!
Tech master!
And so we have this 40-foot RV, and he's basically got it up and running.
So we're good to go.
We're going to dispatch the RV, send a crew to drive it down to Austin.
Then we're going to fly, because we have to do the show.
We have to do the show Thursday and Friday, and then Saturday morning we can fly out.
Otherwise, we wouldn't be able to drive long enough to get an RV to Austin, so we have to send an advance crew.
We're going to be in Austin for the week.
We'll probably do shows.
All the guests will be our good Austin friends.
And then in January I think we're doing Nashville.
Then in March we're going to Florida.
luke rudkowski
Bitcoin conference.
There's going to be that.
There's going to be Porkfest as well.
tim pool
New Hampshire Porkfest.
So that'll be in June.
So we're basically trying to do something like once a month where we'll actually send out the mobile production unit
to a city for an event, book guests from these areas.
That way we can be traveling a bit more.
So that'd be like one week out of the month.
So it's gonna be a whole lot of fun.
But these are big events, like Porkfest is huge.
It's basically a Free State Project festival, right?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I mean, thousands of people come down for that, and it's a great, amazing, aggregate way of creating a society that runs on its own volitions, that runs pretty effectively and pretty amazingly.
tim pool
And I was reading about redistricting in New Hampshire, and it's hilarious, because the Free State people are eliminating Democrats.
unidentified
Yeah, they are.
tim pool
Do you know about the Free State Project?
kash patel
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, that's amazing.
That's absolutely fantastic.
So we'll have, I think we have Starlink in the middle of nowhere we get.
So thanks to Elon Musk, we'll do the show in the middle of nowhere.
It's gonna be a lot of fun.
It's gonna be so much fun.
Hopefully the AC works.
It'll be in June.
All right, let's see.
Alex Maggiore says, if you replace quote, anonymous source with quote, crackhead behind Speedway, CNN, MSNBC, and WAPO starts to make more sense.
Put that on a t-shirt, Luke.
luke rudkowski
Good idea.
tim pool
So it's, it's true though.
You could say something like you could go behind Nancy Pelosi's office and find a homeless guy and then he can say whatever he wants and you could put a source close to Pelosi's office said.
Like I meant physically close to it, not like politically close.
Alright, let's see.
I heard that.
I don't know if that's true.
Have you heard that?
I've not heard that.
before it was public. The thread is still archived at the date and Anon claimed he made
it up and fed it to intelligence sources. All the details of the bed and pajamas were
invented on 4chan. I heard that, I don't know if that's true, have you heard that?
kash patel
I've not heard that.
tim pool
There was a post on 4chan where they said that they submitted a fake tip about the pee
tape or something and then it got picked up and put in the Steele dossier.
unidentified
Oh.
kash patel
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't know if it's true, but I saw it circulating on 4chan for sure.
All right.
BlackRockVegan says the Pulitzer Prize is appropriate for Russiagate, considering Pulitzer is often credited with helping to create yellow journalism, using eye-catching headlines to increase sales rather than presenting well-researched news.
And there it is.
Casey Race says, 2021 is ending with the center becoming, awakening to, the superset of the subset of left and right.
Bull-ish.
Lake time.
unidentified
I don't know what you mean by that.
tim pool
Jordan Dollar Height says, Kash Patel for president?
kash patel
No chance I'm ever running for office of any kind.
tim pool
How do you end up working in the White House?
How do you end up in politics if you're not trying to be a politician?
kash patel
Like a million beers.
tim pool
Yeah.
You're just drunk at a bar and someone's like, you want a job?
And you're like, I guess.
kash patel
I'll give you the quick version.
The funny story is I went to law school to be that guy from Suits.
Go make a ton of money, be that badass in the program, and just be that dude in New York City.
Long story short, best laid plans, was in government service for 16 years, got a liking for national security, and then just sort of kept chasing that tail, and it really worked out.
unidentified
Cool.
tim pool
There you go.
But not running for office.
kash patel
Never.
tim pool
Never.
All right.
Old man new to trading says, Alex Jones brought the diary up on Joe Rogan podcast with Tim Dillon a long time ago.
Another thing he was onto ahead of people.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
That's interesting.
All right, let's see.
CJ Sedman says, since the FBI raided Veritas, does that mean that Veritas can publish the diary for the same reason the Steele dossier was published?
I think they could, just on the, you know, because yeah, now it's like the FBI's investigating and it's newsworthy and people need to know what's in it, right?
kash patel
They could, but they could also get in more trouble with the FBI now that the raid has happened.
tim pool
But why though?
They're journalists.
They can publish information, right?
kash patel
The FBI can go to them and say this is information related to an ongoing criminal matter.
So if you screw up our investigation, maybe we hit you with obstruction of justice.
tim pool
I feel like James is the kind of guy who's going to be like, screw you and publish it.
kash patel
No, I think you're right.
tim pool
In his announcement video, he literally said, they requested we not disclose the investigation and we're disclosing it anyway.
So there you go, huh?
I think what, you know, one of the things that keeps James safe is that they know he will go nuclear and not stand by.
Because when you get compliant is when they know they can bully you and they can push you around.
But James can't be bullied.
He's going to publish and so they got to be careful.
They got to tread carefully.
All right, Colin Sanders says, the whole intelligence community is rotten.
If you stay on missions, your corrupt leaders assign you to them.
You are just as evil as they are.
The good ones leave.
Sincerely, a former NSA analyst.
Do you think they're all, the whole intelligence community is rotten?
Like every person?
kash patel
A lot of the leadership is, but no, not a lot of the guys that do the job every day.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Can't read that.
Con Boom Clursler?
I don't know.
She says, and Schumer spoke with satisfaction to Maddow, saying Trump shouldn't challenge the intelligence agencies.
He should he should fear them.
Evil.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Malcolm Palm says, great stream tonight, Tim, et al.
Thank you all for that.
You're doing cash.
Keep up the good fight.
Right on.
And that's exactly where they are.
These guys don't sign up to become whistleblowers, they're just doing the job.
agents we were told about. Other than you, I've heard of no one being a whistleblower
against their corrupt bosses.
kash patel
And that's exactly where they are. These guys don't sign up to become whistleblowers. They're
just doing the job. And I can tell you for whatever it's worth, I prosecuted some of
the biggest terrorists in the world, in Africa, across the country, brought some of the biggest
criminal charges you can imagine.
Those guys are still there, working.
They're still putting people away the right way, and they're not going to go out and blow whistles, and they're not going to go out and get a headline.
unidentified
Word.
tim pool
AlternativeJK says, I was bummed you and the crew got sick during my birthday, which is on Halloween.
I even dressed up as Tim from the beanie shirt and made a Timcast press ID.
I even posted on my Instagram.
Glad to see Tim and the crew back together and recovered.
Thank you so much for the for the warm wishes, everybody.
kash patel
Does he have a photo of the Halloween costume?
tim pool
Yeah, he posted on Instagram, I guess.
AlternativeJK90.
It was going to be great.
Luke was going to dress up like me for Halloween, and I was going to dress up like me.
unidentified
Yeah, it was going to be great.
tim pool
All right.
ArtificialDuality says, Kyle did not try to fire when the hands were up.
They said they found exactly eight spent casings, no mentions of a light primer strike, unfired round.
That is correct, I remember that. So they went over the forensics of the weapon,
and yeah, they knew exactly how many times were fired, so that was just a manipulation.
Oh, I thought he was gonna shoot me or whatever.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
Raymond G. Stanley Jr.
says, Tim, I went to my YouTube subscription page and I couldn't find you.
I had to go to the IRL channel itself.
WTF does that mean?
Are they watching you now?
Oh, of course.
Even Luke was trying to pull up the live stream earlier and he couldn't do it.
So we'd probably get way more viewers if YouTube wasn't, you know, yeah.
And we have a big show as it is.
I mean, everybody who watches, thank you so much for watching.
You know, really appreciate everybody who tunes in.
Waffle Sensei says, Gage Grosskreutz testimony.
I wasn't pulling my gun out and chasing him, I was running in his direction while my gun fell out of my waistband into my hand so I could surrender to him with my gun aimed at his head.
No joke, that's literally what he said.
He didn't say it verbatim like that.
He was asked, like, were you chasing him?
He goes, no.
He's like, so you were running towards him?
No.
You were moving very quickly towards him.
And he's like, Yeah.
And then he was like, and you drew your weapon.
No.
And even the state prosecutor was like, at this point in the, in the, in the day you drew your weapon.
And he goes, no.
And then he goes, isn't that you on video holding your weapon?
And he goes, yes.
And he goes, okay.
Like the state was like, why did you just lie about something?
We're showing the jury on video.
This dude.
It was obvious, and it was crazy.
There was a point where Rittenhouse was almost smiling.
And I mentioned this to you, it's like, defendants should not look smug or happy.
kash patel
Don't do that.
tim pool
But there was the way Grosskreutz was acting too.
He was like, his whole attitude, his demeanor was like, Yes.
lydia smith
Ridiculous.
tim pool
No.
And I was like, man, this guy's like, acting really smug.
And I kind of feel bad.
I'm like, look, I want to hear him out.
I don't know this guy.
I want to hear what he has to say.
But man, the way he was behaving was very like.
kash patel
And the jury see that.
They see that all day long.
tim pool
And then is lying constantly.
I'm like, dude.
How are you gonna go up there and be like, here's a video, like, Jerry, please watch this video of the witness running towards Kyra Nas with his gun drawn and then have him go, I didn't do that.
It's like, it's a video!
He just showed it!
It's crazy.
kash patel
Oh, man.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Stalin Falcon says, you are the first person to make Nikki's grave-rolling answers happy with the correct pronunciation of Recchietta.
Did I pronounce it right?
lydia smith
Maybe so, I don't know.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
No idea.
All right, I'll take credit for, I typically pronounce names poorly.
There you go.
Robert Stratton says, Cash, thanks for your service at LX.
Do you agree that 4chan has IO chops and analysis capabilities that might rival a small country?
I think so.
unidentified
But I'm not going to answer that question.
tim pool
Dr. Seuss Leafy says, Hey Tim, the Young Turks said you're unvaxxed and taking horse paste.
My friend Jesse said they can't keep getting away with it.
Let's go Brandon.
I will say two things.
Did they actually say horse paste?
I never said I took ivermectin.
Or did I?
No, I'm pretty sure I didn't.
I'm pretty sure I'm very careful with my words, and I said I was prescribed it.
I told my doctor I didn't want to take it, but he insisted that I did.
I don't believe I've ever actually said I ingested any of it.
So it was interesting when I tweeted that I was prescribed it.
I'm very careful here, and then they immediately come out and say that Tim did take it.
I was like, oh.
I actually tweeted I didn't take it.
I tweeted that Don Lemon knows better than my doctor, so I refused.
Well, so are they going to claim I took something I didn't?
No, that's defamation.
lydia smith
That's libel.
tim pool
Not that I care.
The Young Turks, they have like no audience.
All they have left are like old cult members.
Cenk Uygur tweeted at Tulsi Gabbard because she said, you know, the Youngkin winning is good.
Americans are rejecting racism.
And then he was like, critical race theory is not being taught in schools because the only thing he has is to lie to people because he's lost.
The American people hate critical race theory.
Black Lives Matter is now, actually, you know, I had the poll earlier, I didn't pull it up.
Black Lives Matter is now 44% supported and 44% opposed, according to Civics.
And among independent voters, they're in the gutter.
So the regular working-class American voters that need to be convinced for winning an election have spoken.
We do not like this race stuff.
We do not like critical race theory.
The suburban women voted Republican.
And the only thing, like I was mentioning with CNN, when they build their audience around the cult, If they course correct now, they'll lose everyone.
Because the Young Turks will never get someone like me back.
You know, I'll never watch them again because they lie.
Like, everything out of their mouth is just garbage.
Just bunk lies.
In my opinion.
And, you know, so all they can do is pander.
They've got nothing left.
It's too bad for them.
Too bad for them!
Fightwithcash.com.
I got a lot of merch, including this jacket.
kash patel
FightWithCash.com. I got a lot of merch, including this jacket. Take a look. It'll be up next week.
tim pool
All right. Danette says, Hey Cash, thank you for all your patriotic work. Tell Devin thank you from one Central
Valley Portuguese family to another.
unidentified
There's a large Portuguese family population out in the Central Valley.
kash patel
population out in the Central Valley.
Really?
unidentified
Yeah.
Interesting.
kash patel
It's one of the biggest in America, actually.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Right on.
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We'll talk about news and other stuff.
It's basically just another, you know, half-hour show.
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So I'll put it that way.
I don't want to say we don't talk about certain things on this show that we would on that show.
For the most part, there are some things we typically only do on the website.
But for the most part, we'll talk about everything.
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And you can follow the show at TimCast IRL, basically everywhere.
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Check out the Instagram videos I got and memes and stuff.
You want to shout out anything, Cash?
kash patel
Look, I just appreciate coming on the show.
This was a lot of fun.
I've never done this style format, so I appreciate you guys having me out, helping me support FightWithCash.com.
If you haven't seen it and you want to understand Russiagate, go watch The Plot Against the President.
That's the best advice I can give to you guys.
luke rudkowski
Cash, this was great.
I was so happy you came on.
I really appreciated the conversation.
When the FBI busts down my door for my political commentary, I'm going to give you a phone call.
kash patel
I'll become a lawyer again.
I got you covered, buddy.
luke rudkowski
Thank you so much for coming.
I also have my own YouTube channel on youtube.com forward slash we are change where I have a lot of fun and I even go even crazier on lukeuncensored.com where I recently shared my COVID story and my learning lessons from getting COVID all on lukeuncensored.com.
Thanks for having me.
It was a great conversation.
unidentified
You mentioned fightwithcash.com.
What is it exactly?
kash patel
So the real quick is basically I started suing all these people for defamation and people came up to me and said, I've been defamed.
I've been deplatformed by big tech, big media.
I don't have the money to do it.
So I'm going around the country raising money and I've got a team of lawyers who will take your cases at a deep discount.
So we'll cut the check to retain those lawyers so you can have your day in court.
And all of my content's on there.
My show Cash's Corner on Epoch Times is on there once a week on national security, defense, intelligence, and fun photos.
And hopefully this, uh, This podcast, this show will be on there, too, with your guys' permission.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, absolutely.
unidentified
Well, thanks for coming, everyone.
I'm Ian Crossland.
See you later.
lydia smith
Thank you guys for tuning in for us again.
Thank you for not forgetting us in our long and very sad absence.
And I have to say, Cash's idea is really, really smart.
We were talking about Project Veritas making this fun to support people in pursuing legal action for this.
I think it's a wonderful idea.
You guys may follow me on Twitter at Sarah Patchlitz.
And yeah.
tim pool
We will see you all over at timcast.com in the members only section.
And I will add, we have recently begun putting up episodes of Tales from the Inverted World members only.
The first episode was with Ian Crossland.
unidentified
Yeah, it was epic.
tim pool
And people were really excited for it.
So this is like, it's not a political show.
You guys are talking about like, simulism or something?
unidentified
Yeah, quite a lot of things.
Psychedelics, just consciousness, perception.
Fascinating, fascinating episode.
tim pool
So we're going to have more of this.
I'm really excited for, it's not really a season, but Tales from the Inverted World, the first several episodes are kind of just like, you know, stories of intrigue.
But the next arc we have with Shane is Ghosts of the Confederacy, because he went down south, he found these ghost stories, he's tracking down old Confederate gold, he saw UFOs.
So the next arc of all of the stories he's going to be writing are going to be his experience and like, Dude, some of these old Civil War ghost stories are crazy.
It's crazy.
kash patel
They're great.
tim pool
Yeah, it's amazing stuff.
And there's a really dark stuff, too, with Sherman's march to the sea.
You know, scorched earth, burning down homes and just destroying farms.
kash patel
It's a rough piece of history.
tim pool
It is, man.
unidentified
It is.
tim pool
And there's a lot of crazy stories out of that stuff.
So definitely check out Tales from the Inverted World if you want some non-political stuff.
And we'll see you over at TimCast.com.
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