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Timcast IRL - US Intel Says COVID Leaked From Wuhan MAYBE, Still Nothing Definitive w/Dan Gainor
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tim pool
Peace out yo!
That's it.
Okay.
We were all excited.
You know, we're sitting here with Steve Bannon and he's like, look, you know, the Intel report's coming out.
We'll see what they say.
And I'm like, oh man.
And, you know, we had a bunch of other people and they're all excited.
And they're like, it may, COVID may have leaked from the Wuhan lab.
Maybe, we don't know.
We're divided.
Nothing definitive, but there is a lot of news still in Afghanistan, and I gotta be honest, guys, you know, I do think the Afghanistan stuff is probably the most important, but at a certain point, it's like, we have talked about it so much, I have talked about it so much, that I want- well, we're gonna talk about it, obviously, but I wanted to lead in with something else, just because the Afghanistan stuff is some of the most depressing and dark stuff, and then it reminds you, and here I go reminding you, that there's- the Emperor has no clothes.
So it's creepy stuff.
Also, interestingly, in the news, this may come as a surprise to many of you, but Milo Yiannopoulos has been censored.
Yeah, again, on YouTube.
Apparently, he got banned off YouTube, you know, where he was still allowed.
And, you know, a lot of people, I guess, haven't heard from him in a long time because of the censorship, but censorship is still happening.
So we'll definitely talk about that.
And we're being joined by one of the experts on censorship, Dan Gaynor.
unidentified
Thanks.
dan gainor
I'm Vice President for Free Speech America at the Media Research Center, and we spend all our time trying to stop what's become an absolute madness on the Internet, taking away all of our freedom to speak, to say anything.
It was awful before, and then COVID just went insane because they feel you've now got the President of the United States and the Surgeon General who are trying to force the social media companies to restrict speech.
It's utter insanity.
tim pool
Gets me busy.
There's a story right now from ScienceMag.
NewsGuard certified, ScienceMag, a legitimate publication, talking about, I think it's infection rates, or no, I'm sorry, it's talking about likelihood of You don't want to be too specific because you know what's going to happen to you.
Well, no, no, no.
It's about like likelihood of catching COVID based on infection versus vaccine or something like that.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's talking about the immune response you'll have based on getting it versus getting the vaccine.
tim pool
Twitter has censored it.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
It's a legitimate study published by a legitimate magazine, science mag, NewsGuard certified.
Can't talk about it.
And we know this has been going on because Twitter shut down the Hunter Biden stories.
There was collusion between Big Tech and the Democratic Party to shut down negative stories about Biden.
And then we saw that Rasmussen poll that said if people were aware of what Joe and his son had done, Joe meaning like flying his son to China on Air Force Two and meeting with his business partners, people wouldn't have voted for him.
That's the problem of censorship.
dan gainor
I've been online since before the World Wide Web.
And which means A, I'm old and B, I've got this nice perspective when it was when it was pleasant.
You when you had like people talking online about the Guild, you know, and Felicia Day and everything was nice.
And then, you know, things started crazy in 2014.
And then it got worse and worse in 15, 16 with the election.
And after Trump won, largely on the basis of social media, because he had a he was a social media powerhouse.
The social media companies in the left, and particularly in the traditional press, who are the biggest advocates for censorship, they went completely insane.
It just determined, okay, you guys won with it, we're going to take it all.
Even though we call ourselves Free Speech America, that was when we launched that sort of our mindset.
Now it's not about free speech anymore, because It was before even COVID, but now because of COVID, everything, you spend all of your lives online.
You go to school, your kids do, or you do.
You work, you sell, you buy, you go to see the doctor, you interact with your government, you do everything, including banking.
And if they censor us online in those, then it's not an issue of free speech.
It's simply, are you a first class or a third class citizen at this point?
tim pool
Simply civil rights.
dan gainor
Yeah.
Exactly.
tim pool
We'll get into all that stuff.
We'll check out the website, too.
We got Ian.
ian crossland
Yeah, as you're talking about this, I'm thinking of the frogs in the pot and how we're slowly, this is like, oh, it's just a little bit of censorship here, a little bit there.
Then all of a sudden, you said the naughty word on the phone.
They're taking your phone number away.
You're not allowed to get a phone now.
You're not allowed to have a social media account now.
You're not allowed to have a bank.
Like, it's completely dehumanizing.
Absolutely a violation of human rights.
I'm glad you're here.
tim pool
Thank you.
ian crossland
Thank you.
lydia smith
Yeah, I'm excited too, as I already pitched in, because as soon as I saw this thing on Twitter, I called my magic special source who has two different master's degrees, including one in biomedical sciences, and I was like, bro, bro, is getting a disease better or worse than getting the shot?
Because with chickenpox, if you don't want to get shingles, you should get the shot.
You shouldn't just get chickenpox.
And he was like, it depends on the virus, depends on all this stuff, but there's no reason for Twitter to be censoring this.
So I'm really excited to be talking about this.
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It's Friday night.
We chill a little bit on Friday nights.
We got this news!
It's not really news.
It's nothing.
From the New York Post.
An unclassified summary of the U.S.
intelligence community's report on COVID-19 says it's plausible the virus leaked from a lab in Wuhan, and that it might be genetically engineered.
The investigators remain divided.
I suppose at the very least, this, you know, now when the media says it's a conspiracy theory, that it's a genetically modified lab leak or something, you can be like, well, they said maybe.
I'll take maybe, right?
dan gainor
Well, I mean, maybe means you can at least discuss it for a year.
It was, you know, oh, you went to the woodshed.
They took you to the woodshed, beat you up a little bit, maybe suspended you, maybe banned you for talking about something.
They went after members of Congress.
That's how extreme.
tim pool
We mentioned this a little bit.
Dave Rubin got suspended like a week before they announced booster shots for saying booster shots were coming.
So Dave's tweeting like, they're going to have booster shots.
Twitter suspends him.
And then like a week later, the New York Times is like, booster shots have been announced.
ian crossland
I think with Dave, it looked like he had a lot of evidence showing that it probably would happen.
And I don't know exactly what happened, but I imagine he said it is going to happen.
And that's like crossing a line.
Saying that it's evident and that it looks like it is very likely is very different than saying it is.
dan gainor
But journalists have been doing this for basically the history of journalism, saying, hey, we've got sources saying that this is going to happen.
I was talking about this downstairs.
You're not allowed to criticize the World Health Organization or the CDC, basically, by these social media companies.
But then New York Times can run a story.
They did a story at the end of 2019, right at the end of the year, about the World Health Organization.
They said one of the one of the givens of the World Health Organization is that they want you to keep open borders in the middle of a pandemic, which I think ordinary people would go, well, that's nuts.
But they said, oh, it's this way.
But then they dug into it.
It turns out there's absolutely no scientific reason for it.
It's simply their agenda to keep the borders open.
You know, why we do this?
Well, because we're supposed to listen to the science-y people at the World Health Organization.
tim pool
Well, now the funny thing is, you know, and we'll give YouTube its piece in all of the horse dewormer stories.
You know, it's the craziest thing seeing every single outlet refer to ivermectin as horse medicine, because it's like, don't they give ibuprofen to dogs?
Like, don't they?
You know what I mean?
So the issue is, and for you, YouTube, that ivermectin isn't FDA approved.
There are some studies going on right now, but it is not FDA approved for treatment in COVID, but it's also not horse medicine.
I mean, it technically is, but it is FDA approved for certain uses like topical scabies.
And I think, you know, general dewormer stuff.
The crazy thing is how the media is walking in lockstep.
They're all saying horse medicine.
dan gainor
It's not horse medicine.
ian crossland
It's in a version of horse medicine, but it's also in other things.
It's just medicine.
tim pool
We give antibiotics to horses, too.
ian crossland
Yeah, it doesn't make them horse antibiotics, right.
tim pool
Right, right, right, right.
But how the media is treating it this way, how we have to even be careful bringing it up because... Nobody who dares... Oh, wait, you said the wrong thing.
dan gainor
I interviewed Dr. Zev Zelenko.
And he got documents restricted by Google Docs.
Now if that is not 1984-ish, oh you've got stuff, you can't share them to other human beings even though you wrote them and they involve documents that you sent to world leaders, but you can't share them to other human beings because they're locked out.
tim pool
I mean that that is there was a I think bit shoot was banned like Twitter had banned links to bit shoot or I think they still do it like gives you a warning and there was one thing I tweeted about I can't remember what it was but it was like if you tried to tweet it it would give you an error and so they're like oops sites broken that's all it is and then you're like this one link remember when Facebook banned mines Hmm.
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Yeah.
You couldn't send a message, a Facebook message with minds.com in the message or it would be like, yep.
dan gainor
I can, I can top that.
There are people who are banned on Facebook, not that they're not allowed to be on Facebook.
You cannot send their websites by messenger on Facebook.
They, they literally will not be able to send.
We ran across, it was a dentist in front of, I was trying to go to, uh, out in Arizona.
And she was trying to send me the link to the dentist, but he does some holistic health and couldn't do it.
We ran a hunting group in Dallas.
Their website was banned on Facebook, even though it didn't violate any Facebook rules.
tim pool
The Facebook, you know, authoritarians who don't like hunting So, you know, looping back to the report, which tells us literally nothing, you know, the COVID origins report, you're basically saying that at least this allows us to talk about it now, right?
dan gainor
Because before it was like, if you brought this stuff up, you're a conspiracy theorist, you risk it to restrict anything they don't like.
Then the people who enforce them are people who restrict anything they don't like.
And then the people you appeal to are the people restrict anything you don't like.
It's kind of set up.
And of course, you get the fact checkers who are just evil and moronic.
And they will also restrict anything they don't want.
unidentified
Here's why.
tim pool
Well, you know, the thing about fact checking is all of these organizations that do fact
checking that go to the Poynter Institute, so that on Facebook they can remove you.
Why don't conservatives set up fact checking organizations?
dan gainor
Here's why.
Because the fact, because I've had people ask us to do it.
Because the fact checking network can also remove you.
So you could spend hundreds of thousands of dollars hiring people, setting up the operation.
It's very tedious.
If you start fact-checking CNN, CNN is going to call the pointer and they're going to pull your authority and then you're off.
And that's it.
You're done.
Because they control the whole game.
And what happened was a whole bunch of journalists got laid off back after 2008.
So they came up and the journalists hate the fact that people use what are called, you know, alternative facts.
And so they basically came up with a way to game the system.
They now control the facts, even though most of the time what they're doing is just narrative.
They don't care.
Oh, well, we think your narrative is wrong.
You need to include 60 more paragraphs.
tim pool
Yeah, I got fact-checked by Lead Stories.
Actually, it was... Okay, so here's what happened.
I tweeted out something about Epstein like that, and I don't remember the exact tweet, but everything I said was factual.
Someone screen-grabbed it and posted it to Facebook, and then Lead Stories said it was fake.
This tweet is false information.
And so I looked up, I saw the tag on my tweet, screenshot it, I didn't post it, and then it said false information, here's why, and I clicked it, went to their story, which confirmed every single thing in my tweet was correct.
When I called the guy from the company, he was irate and yelling.
And he was like, I refuse to change it.
And his argument was basically that the way it was phrased in the tweet could give the wrong impression.
And I said, the impression is irrelevant when my facts are all correct.
What someone assumes based on reading the tweet is irrelevant.
I didn't say what you're accusing me of saying something like Bill Clinton went to Epstein Island or something, which I didn't say.
I can't remember exactly what the tweet was.
And then instead of instead of taking down the fake fact check, he left it up, but put, you know, like partially incorrect or something like that.
So they can take a fact and then call it fake news and false information and then explain on their end that, well, it is technically true, but we just want to provide clarification.
So now when you get hit on Facebook and Facebook strips you of monetization, that's the end result.
dan gainor
Well, and what they do is their favorite is the context.
You know, oh, you don't have enough context.
Well, by that definition, the entire freaking world doesn't have enough context.
Encyclopedia Britannica doesn't have enough context because, oh, you didn't include this book full of information about Afghanistan or those 27 books about, you know, pick your topic calculus.
Oh, well, there's not enough information calculus in there.
So you need to add more context.
We got hit by PolitiFact for rerunning a CDC chart.
Okay, so not doing anything controversial here.
We re-ran a CDC chart linked to a story about it, and that story linked back to the CDC.
PolitiFact gave us a fact check, gave us sort of like the trifecta of fact checks.
They said, okay, well, we lacked context, but then they called it partly false, but then they put a big, you know, huge red capital letters, FALSE, On our chart.
And so we challenged it.
They, of course, ignored it.
So what we did, we got more than 40 conservative organizations together and sent an obnoxious letter to the International Fact Checking Network and said, you've got to pull their card.
They are not fair.
The Media Research Center has tracked more than 50 examples since 2019 where they've been out of control.
tim pool
Yeah.
dan gainor
And we didn't really think they would do it.
But so now that's got to be the narrative.
Every time PolitiFact does another lousy fact check, people go, you know, more than 40 organizations said this organization should lose its fact checking ability.
tim pool
Do you see when they, I can't remember which organization it was, they flagged the CDC itself as false news?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, so on Facebook, a link to the CDC.
It was an article from the CDC where they said that they were encouraging new testing for COVID.
And so these Facebook fact-checkers flagged CDC.gov as fake news.
And you know, the funny thing is, when I, so there's people you can reach out to at Facebook if you're one of the better men and the privileged elites, like we all are here.
I'm kidding, in a sense.
But the reality is, in this world, if you have a show and you have followers, then all of a sudden there's someone to talk to at Facebook.
But the regular people, they're kicked to the gutter.
So I know, I have the contact emails, I have the connections, and they said, when you get fact-checked on Facebook, it's not us, it's those third-party companies.
And I argued Facebook has given special privileged access, that is not public accommodation, to these people.
So you're effectively outsourcing Facebook's role in fact-checking to third parties.
I would argue that is still Facebook's responsibility for defamation.
If there is going to be a box that says fake information over my post, and that is not true, as a statement of fact, saying what I put was false information, Then I think Facebook and that company are responsible.
Facebook said, screw you.
It's them.
Do something about it.
So you effectively have to just go after these fact checkers and sue them for defamation.
And the reality is, if they called a CDC chart fake, false information, that's not an opinion.
That's a statement of fact.
You got to sue.
You got to sue for defamation.
dan gainor
And of course, you know, these organizations, who pays them?
unidentified
Facebook.
dan gainor
Yeah, they get money from Facebook.
That's one of the... Well, then it's clear cut.
tim pool
Go for Facebook.
dan gainor
Yeah, I was going to say, you mentioned Lead Stories.
So we did a big piece on Lead Stories, I guess, probably 2019.
My whole sense of timing is screwed up because of COVID.
It's like half.
But we did it and we slammed them.
They denied everything we did.
You know, we said about right after they launched their red and blue feed to show that they were fact-checking both sides.
But here's the game that these, that it's not just them, but that Facebook and all the companies play.
When they fact-check somebody on the right, it's, you know, it goes, gets scattered all over Facebook and attached to everything that anybody posts about that.
But if they do it for somebody left, it doesn't do that.
So if they fact check some micro-organization, Occupy Democrats saying something stupid because they're idiots, if they fact check them, well then they won't say, oh by the way, they were actually citing something CNN did.
They're not going to then attach that fact check to CNN.
It just drops there.
And so that's the way, so what they've set it up is it deliberately hurts conservative organizations
and anybody who disagrees with the status quo, which I'm pretty sure is the people in this room.
unidentified
Yep.
I would say so.
tim pool
It's a broken system.
I don't know what else to say.
We've been dealing with it for a long time, and I guess the challenge is it just shows how dark things are continually getting, that we even move beyond this knowing it's happening and nothing's changed.
We're now at a period where we can't have discussions about the science.
They tell us, trust the science, and I'm like, okay, well, a bunch of scientists just came out.
Not those scientists.
I'm like, well, who am I supposed to trust then?
Why, Dr. Fauci!
But Fauci's been wrong every other day.
Yeah, well, trust him.
But what about those doctors over there?
Nope.
All right, I guess.
dan gainor
What about when Fauci outright, you know, got called out for, oh, moving the goalposts, which we, which in civilized society we call lying through his teeth.
But when, when he did that, or when he lied about masking.
What about when Sanjay Gupta, this is actually one of my favorite little elements from COVID, when early March 2019, when Sanjay or 2020, I mean, when Sanjay Gupta had a town hall at CNN where they had about 60 some people packed, you know, shoulder to shoulder in the audience, not wearing masks, when Gupta comes out and says on air that masking is dangerous.
unidentified
Gupta said that?
dan gainor
Yeah.
Then, oh, suddenly they decide that later on masking is good.
Now, I'm okay with them doing that if they keep saying, by the way, you know, I said this dumb thing before and keep putting it out there.
But what happens is all this stuff gets memory hold.
Every time Fauci does something or Gupta does something or any of these people, they say something that's wrong or, you know, later on proven wrong.
There's no accountability for them.
There's only accountability for us.
tim pool
Let's talk about how dark things are actually getting.
So let's step into this one from CNBC.
Congressional panel investigating January 6th insurrection demands records from Facebook, Twitter, and other tech firms.
So here we go.
You may have heard that the January 6th committee submitted a letter to all these different government agencies demanding information on basically everybody in the Trump government, as well as a large number of activists who are just I mean, Scott Pressler is the most pressing example.
He's a guy who registers Republicans to vote and he cleans up garbage.
And they said they wanted every communication from the government to him going back to April 1st of 2020 into January 20th of 2021.
This guy has nothing to do with any of it.
And my understanding, he wasn't even in D.C.
on January 6th.
But this is their overreach, and now it's coming to the big tech firms, which is what we expected.
When we had Jack Posobiec here, who was on this list, you know, the general idea we were talking about is, they'll eventually take it from the government to social media companies.
Now, all of these big tech firms, who we know are biased, are going to start going after Trump supporters and activists.
I'm willing to bet, if you're like some mid-level Trump supporter, your communications, your DMs will probably get leaked.
Because they're going to demand it.
And why would Facebook or Google say no?
They're going to be like, well, you know, it's very important we help out.
Here you go.
dan gainor
Well, look at how the government tax forms for all these rich people got leaked all of a sudden.
Biden is talking about going after rich people with his tax efforts.
Oh, and also talking about throwing tons of money at the IRS.
Magically, ProPublica gets a dump of the tax records for a lot of famous rich people and then starts writing about it.
unidentified
Let me read a little bit from here.
dan gainor
Remember, we weren't supposed to talk about the deep state.
Oh, deep state doesn't exist until a guy from New York Times writes a book and says a deep
state deep state exists.
tim pool
And it's a good thing.
dan gainor
Yeah, it's a good thing because it's on our side.
tim pool
You know, let's let me read a little bit from here.
We got this from CNBC.
They say the House Select Committee investigating January 6 said Friday, it's demanding a trove
of records from 15 social media companies, including Facebook, Twitter, Google and a
slew of pro Trump platforms.
The requests for records stretching back to the spring of 2020 are related to the spread of misinformation, efforts to overturn the 2020 election or prevent the certification of the results, domestic violent extremism, and foreign influence in the 2020 election, the committee said in a press release.
They're also looking into policy changes that the social media companies adopted or failed to adopt regarding the spread of violent extremism, misinformation, and foreign malign influence that includes decisions on banning material from platforms and contacts with law enforcement and other government entities, the press release said.
The committee's latest requests further underscore the role of social media on the Capitol attack, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
They blamed Parler, but it was actually Facebook where people were getting together and scheduling and planning for January 6th.
So, the coordination and collusion, I think, is obvious.
And now, what's the chances that these companies just turn over all this data, and everyone who is anti-establishment all of a sudden has the worst possible things they've ever said taken out of context, plastered all over the internet, every story possible, and then what happens next after that is the financial institutions start saying, oh, whoa, oh, jeez, these stories, yep, gotta ban them.
dan gainor
Well, financial institutions already are doing some of that.
They did it to, I was going to say, one of the, one of the Republican Senate candidates in Delaware.
Oh, okay.
We can't, we're not going to allow you.
We're going to, we're going to shut down your bank account.
We're going to, you know, you got PayPal doing the same thing, all these companies.
But yes, that is, that's an enormous, insane, Stasi-like, you know, overreach of government into basically the lives of absolutely everybody.
tim pool
Yeah, this is.
dan gainor
And you're right, it's not just, but it's not just the, they could, they could leak, oh, you, you know, you're having an affair on your wife, somebody's, you know, oh, you just, you send a dirty joke, you, anything they want, they can use against you with that.
And unfortunately, we all, and I've certainly fallen this category, we've all spent years posting absolutely everything on social media.
And beyond that, they also know who your friends are.
So even if you've not done anything wrong, they can go after your family members.
Oh, hey, you know, you're, you're, you know, you're 50 years old, you got kids who are in their 20s.
Oh, you've never done, you've never even gone speeding.
But your kids, oh, well, they've done something wrong.
So, hey, we're going after the kids now.
That's just the most broad insanity thing I've ever heard government do.
tim pool
It's very clear the path that we're on, where we're going.
And at a certain point, I'm kind of just like, I don't know, what do we do?
Do we just, you know, kick back, put your feet up and wait for the tsunami to crash over?
ian crossland
In public.
But you got to be super subtle about how you change the system quietly.
tim pool
Like how?
ian crossland
Like by building technology that.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Makes it.
tim pool
Building culture.
ian crossland
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Like Fediverse projects, things where things that can't be censored or that aren't censored by nature, things that are decentralized, stuff like that.
You know, the cryptography and cryptocurrency.
tim pool
That's why they hate they hate crypto so much.
unidentified
They freak out about it because that really does put a Well, they can't monitor where your money goes.
tim pool
Depending on which one you use, if you use like Monero or Zcash, but Bitcoin is fully public, and they can easily track all of it.
dan gainor
But I mean, this follows Chokepoint.
Yeah, when Chokepoint went after the gun companies and other stuff and went after drugs, you can't carry more than $10,000 of cash on you because, oh, you might be making a drug deal.
Then when they found out people were carrying nine, they cut it back to eight.
Because they don't want you to, you know, it's like, we don't want you carrying cash because you might actually buy something we don't approve of.
And so now if we catch you with $8,001 in your car, we can take it all.
tim pool
Yep.
Civil asset forfeiture.
They just steal your money and you don't get it back.
lydia smith
Amazing.
tim pool
Yeah.
I wonder how that would play out.
If you're like running like a burger shop and you have like your day, daily cash from the right, from the tills, you're going to the bank with it.
And they're like, that's a bank.
ian crossland
They stop you outside the bank and they're like, you're going to go buy drugs.
tim pool
They're like, no.
And the only, and I guess when you're a frog in a pot and the pot starts slowly coming to a boil, people just don't know and don't care.
But I, people need to stop and just think about a few things.
What is it?
Is it shocking if I told you that you have a, a, a, a serial number registered with the government for your person?
ian crossland
Not for me.
dan gainor
Nothing, nothing.
I mean, my, my level of shock is kind of gone up a lot.
You know, like what it takes to shock.
I think if I went home and I found police cars surrounded by, I only think that reaches shock.
tim pool
Isn't it a crazy idea when you realize that like every single person in the U.S.
is serialized with a specific number that identifies you?
ian crossland
Every citizen, yeah.
tim pool
It's like something, I remember I'd grow up and I'd see like movies where people would get numbers and stuff like that, and how wrong and bad it was, and then it's like, but we've been doing this since, what is it, like 1916 or something?
Social security numbers?
dan gainor
Not 1916, FDR era.
tim pool
So when was that?
30s.
unidentified
30s?
tim pool
Yeah, so you want to do almost anything, you need a social security number, you need to be registered with the government, now you've got New York City saying you need a photo ID, state issued, in order to get access to any of these buildings.
unidentified
It's weird.
dan gainor
Like, go to the restaurant.
Hey, I want to get, I want to get carryout.
Sorry, you can't come in.
tim pool
No, no, carryout's okay.
dan gainor
No, but if you can't come in the building, unless you show your ID.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, no.
The law exempts carryout.
dan gainor
Oh, okay.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I don't know why.
Apparently if you have COVID, but you're only going to be in for carryout, you can't cough on people or something.
Also, I learned something really interesting is that when, uh, when you, when you first walk in, You're wearing the mask because COVID sits high, but when you sit down, you're underneath it.
I'm kidding, by the way.
I have no idea what that policy is.
It's like you walk into a restaurant.
I was talking to a restaurant on the phone and I was like, they were like, oh, you've got to wear masks regardless of vaccination status.
And I was like, okay.
And I was like, but then when I sit down, I can take it off.
And they're like, yes.
And I was like, does that make sense?
And the guy was like, I don't know.
They just make me do it.
And I'm like, yo, that's ridiculous, dude.
Like, whatever, man.
People just keep the people just follow along.
They march along with all this stuff.
dan gainor
Well, I mean, you look at Australia right now.
It's not just march along, but I mean, they're all locked in their homes again.
I mean, I've lost track.
I saw somebody post a chart of how many lockdowns Australia has had since COVID.
ian crossland
They're going on the 8th, I think.
Yeah.
7th or 8th.
tim pool
YouTube's mad at us right now.
lydia smith
Yeah, they're giving us trouble.
tim pool
Yeah, so I'm checking the feed and I'm seeing it keeps cutting out.
Yeah, we've got full internet.
We've got our internets.
lydia smith
What spicy things are we talking about?
ian crossland
Might be us.
I think Ben and Andreas were gonna work on the internet today.
So there was some issues.
tim pool
No, no, I'm looking at the connection.
We're solid.
ian crossland
Interesting.
tim pool
We have a solid high-speed connection right now.
dan gainor
Yeah, I'll start singing Avenue Q for you know, maybe they'd be happy if we talked about that talk about porn, you know I just I do I wait there is something that needs to be said though.
tim pool
It needs to be said Ian Okay, y'all people need to hear this.
ian crossland
Here we go.
tim pool
Mark Zuckerberg is such a good guy.
I love You know Jack Dorsey good haircut Well, actually when he goes here out Jack Dorsey did tweet out Rothbard, so I guess I'll do Dorsey's Dorsey's Red pill.
ian crossland
He's just co-opted by the corporation right now.
dan gainor
Dorsey's also now he moved in from the, I've got the crazy like 400 mile beard into I'm now dating supermodels.
So he is going through a little bit of a phase.
lydia smith
Midlife crisis.
Yeah.
ian crossland
He got all the career stuff out of the way.
tim pool
He's just, he's a figurehead for Twitter.
You know, he left the company.
He's doing Square.
Square's doing really well.
And then they brought him back because they needed someone to take responsibility, I guess.
So he, I don't even know why he does it.
I don't, I don't, it doesn't make sense to me.
The dude's got, he's a billionaire.
Like, what is he worried about?
ian crossland
I get that he's maybe feels like just by still having a tether with it, he can still kind
of make it, keep it from going totally insane.
But when a company buys you out, man, that's their company now.
It's not, it's not his company anymore.
tim pool
So yeah, it's like a skin suit.
Yeah.
But you know, look, actions speak louder than words, I suppose.
Did you see when Jack Dorsey tweeted out Rothbard, the anatomy of the state, like all the libertarians and ancaps were like, they're like high-fiving each other.
And they're like, yeah, actually, they're probably freaking out.
Like our friend Luke was like, what's happening?
Jack Dorsey's, no!
dan gainor
But I think some of this is a lot of what we see now on social media from famous people is them just screwing with us.
unidentified
Mm hmm.
dan gainor
And I mean, I think because they know that it changes the narrative and everybody talks about them again.
ian crossland
That's what he does on Twitter.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
That's what Tim does.
It's what I mean.
It just screws with people.
Oh, I love social media.
It's like Andy Kaufman.
tim pool
But to be fair, I'm just follow.
I'm just following orders.
Michael Malice.
Oh, yeah.
ian crossland
Michael Malice is a pro.
tim pool
I tweeted Joe Biden is the greatest president of this or any generation.
And then I waited a few minutes and then I replied, why aren't you retweeting this?
And it got like a thousand retweets or something.
It got like two thousand replies.
But the funny thing is like, I'll tell you exactly why I did a tweet like that.
Because you have establishment left activists and how do they respond to that tweet?
I said something very, very complimentary to Joe Biden, but the implication is it's Sarcasm!
So, the interesting thing is that establishment Democrat-type activists completely ignore tweets like that.
And I do that—it kind of proves a point.
You know, there was—when I was tweeting about vaccine mandates being wrong, I get all of these establishment Democrat activists being like, you're crazy, you're wrong, there will be medical exemptions, everyone's gotta pitch in.
And then when I called all of these restaurants, and I called New York City, and they said no medical exemptions, period.
The same activists were nowhere in sight.
No longer replying, no longer arguing.
They could have replied with like, wow, I didn't see that coming.
In fact, I sent messages to Cameron Kasky, the Parkland activist, because we had interacted on the idea of medical exemptions.
I tweeted about Google.
Mandating vaccines and said, I wonder how many people are going to quit their jobs or lose their jobs.
And he said, he responded, there's about to be a lot of openings for people who aren't stupid.
And then I was like, some people have medical issues, bro.
And he's like, well, there'll be exemptions.
So when this thing with New York happened, I just, in good faith, I was like, Hey, just wanted you to see this because I know we had interacted on it.
No response.
Because these people aren't acting in good faith.
If I come out and say something like, you know, Joe Biden should do X, and then someone argues with me, and then Joe Biden goes and does X, I'll be like, well, you know, I should, I could eat my words.
Joe Biden just did it.
But you don't see that from most tribalists.
dan gainor
And you look at, look at what's happening imminently to the military now.
We've got hundreds of thousands of people in the military who are not vaccinated.
And we're going around celebrating our heroes in Afghanistan.
And the left and the right are both like, oh my god, we love the military, the military.
But then we're going to turn around in a week or two, and a whole bunch of those people are going to be called up on charges, court-martialed, or get some sort of push down to the military.
at a time when our military probably can't afford it and all just like they said the frontline health care workers oh my god we love the nurses and the doctors going at risk in their lives oh wait they're not getting the vaccine that's it for them and they literally throw they throw them out of a moving car And so, you know, it's the inconsistency.
The person who doesn't get the vaccine, who chose for whatever reason doesn't get the vaccine, if they're out there risking their life for their country or saving lives as a health care worker, they're still the same darn person that was doing that.
tim pool
So I want to show this here, Anatomy of the State.
So most of you, maybe if you missed it, we were just mentioning how Jack Dorsey, the CEO of Twitter, ever woke, tweeted out Murray Rothbard, Anatomy of the State.
Libertarians and anarcho-capitalists were all hooting and hollering and freaking out.
And on page six, which is, you know, the opening of Anatomy of the State, which Jack Dorsey himself posted, The greatest danger to the state is independent intellectual criticism.
My oh my!
It's very interesting that Jack Dorsey would tweet something like that out considering Twitter actively tries to suppress intellectual criticism of the state.
Maybe, maybe Jack, he's like, he's actually locked in a basement.
And he's like, you know, and they run everything and he, he broke out and he's all gaunt and frail and like, they're coming to bring his food and the door opens and they're like, here's your food, Dorsey.
And then he shoves the guy out of the way and he runs to the computer and he hits CTRL-C, CTRL-V and enemies say enter and they're like, no, and they grab him and they're dragging him back and he's like, no, freedom!
ian crossland
And you can like see the Matrix as he's being pulled back.
tim pool
They throw him back in the room. Don't you ever pull something like that again? And then you know, uh, the other
twitter exe He escaped from his cell and he tweeted out
dan gainor
Rothbard and then they were like, oh, can we delete it? No, the next time he testifies in front of congress
We'll have to watch as he blinks to see if he blinks He's got like a he's got like a brain chip
tim pool
It's like a thing on his temple and it like shorts out for a second and he's like I could I can think again
And he goes to the computer and he sends it, and then they're like, oh guys, you gotta reboot Dorsey's mind control chip.
dan gainor
And he goes, like the V chip from South Park?
tim pool
Yeah, so for the Rogan podcast, and he was talking about blockchain, and I think he's really naive.
I think he doesn't know what he's talking about.
I think he's, to be completely honest, nice guy, a bit duplicitous, right place and right time.
Twitter is not particularly complicated.
He said, we discovered Twitter, we didn't invent Twitter, things like that.
And when I was talking to him before we did the Rogan podcast, like literally like minutes before, he was saying how he really wanted blockchain-based social media.
And he was like, that way, once it's there, it's like there forever.
And I'm like, that sounds horrible.
That sounds like the worst idea ever.
Like, imagine you're 15.
You know, and you're like, I'm gonna post a picture of my ass.
Because I'm edgy, and I got 10 followers, and I don't care.
And then you're 30, and you're like, you know, you've got 50,000 followers now, and you're a sports commentator.
And then they're like, couldn't help but notice in your immutable ledger, there's a picture of your ass.
It's like...
unidentified
I know.
tim pool
It's in the blockchain.
What am I supposed to do about it?
It's there forever.
dan gainor
In theory, what that should mean is that we all kind of get the get out of jail free for doing dumb stuff.
But what in practice it means is, if you did dumb stuff that the elite don't approve of, you know, you can get cancelled at absolutely any point in time in your life.
But if they're okay with the dumb stuff, you know, you were part of an Antifa attack or something, oh yeah, that's fine.
We don't care.
That's fine.
You get a nice Reuters article.
tim pool
You were once a noble activist fighting for justice.
Tell me how that went.
Well, I threw a bunch of bottles at people and then we went around smashing things.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
dan gainor
Sounds like fun!
tim pool
Sounds like you've accomplished a lot in your life.
Yes, it was hard, but we burned down some bars.
That's basically the history of these people when they're older.
There's a video that went viral of a journalist Who is trying to cover what's going on in Portland, and this Antifa gets in her face and says that, like, you are endangering people by spreading COVID, which is, like, the craziest thing for Antifa, I guess to say.
They're pro-state, whatever.
And then they physically attack her, throw her to the ground, spray her with paint and mace or whatever.
These people...
They're effectively enforcing state edict or whatever.
They march around these cities doing literally nothing, believing CNN, and thinking they oppose the state when they're doing everything the state would want them to do.
dan gainor
Yeah, I mean, the brown shirts entirely, they say, oh, we're the original anti-fascists, and they post images.
You'll see idiots like people at CNN posting images of D-Day landing, and like, oh, anti-fascists, and then comparing them, Chris Cuomo, to Antifa.
I'm like, no, these are the worst of the gutter trash who go attack ordinary people on the street.
And try to bully people just because they think or say different things.
I don't support anybody doing that.
I don't care what ideology you've got.
If you're going and just walking up to a police speaking, we've proven that.
tim pool
Do you see when they were attacking people who are protesting COVID restrictions?
I'm like, isn't that weird?
The state comes out and makes like, like Bill de Blasio decrees something that's like not even a law.
It's a decree from executor.
And they're like, we're going to defend that.
And so you come out and be like the, there was actually an event happened in DC where a bunch of conservatives came down to protest corporate censorship and Antifa showed up calling them fascists and started attacking people.
And I'm like, yo, are they, are they pro-corporation?
It's like Antifa pro.
Oh, dude, they're fashion racism.
Cause it's a word game to manipulate people who don't pay attention.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
It's the same thing.
dan gainor
Yeah.
You know, we've replaced, we've, we've gone full circle where now the very people who go around saying, oh, you can't be racist.
Or then going around saying racist stuff.
You can get shut down on Twitter or social media for saying anything racist in some groups, but not against others.
And it's the game.
Look at the anti-Semitism you see on these sites.
It's just off the charts.
And you see it not just on social media but in schools and colleges and universities.
These Jewish students everywhere are now a target when they go to college.
That's the exact kind of thing that we look back at history books and say, gee, that was awful when it happened in the 1930s.
Why are we allowing it to happen here in this era?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I love, uh, I'm just reading, you know, I've, I have the anatomy of the state pulled up and just for Jack Dorsey to tweet something referring to the state as parasitic and sapping production and stuff like that.
I'm like, wow, maybe he should apply those principles to the companies that he runs.
You know, maybe things would get a little bit better, but, uh, I hate to say it.
It just seems like things are getting worse and worse.
And even, even with what's going on in Afghanistan and everyone kind of turning their back on Biden, it's not, it's, it's not in any way to imply that things will improve.
dan gainor
No, I mean, I think, unfortunately, look, I thought we shouldn't be in Afghanistan anywhere near the length of time we were.
I mean, if you follow anything about history, we changed the mission.
Our military is really good at going and kicking somebody's ass.
It just is.
But they're not good at forcing you to come into the 21st century and embrace Western values.
It's an unfair ask of anybody.
And so they went from being war fighters to prison guards and social workers.
And that's just, you know, I don't care whether you're carrying the AK-47 or M-16 or whatever you're carrying, if you're trying to convince somebody to join the 21st century when, you know, he can't even read, That's just the wrong mission.
tim pool
That's why it's a 100-year mission.
You have to raise several generations and instill in them a norm.
But to go into a country where we're there for 20 years, if you went to the American people and said, we want to be here for 100 years to colonize and reclaim, people would be like, get out of here.
They would not support that.
dan gainor
Well, it's also, it's also geographically really difficult.
Afghanistan is a landlocked nation.
We're, we're the world's greatest navy.
Okay, that's just bad dynamics.
So if you're going to do it, and it didn't work well when we did it in Vietnam.
I mean, so, because you have to look, it's just like when you go buy a house.
I'm, I drive out here, get the, get the wonderful compound, see, see the nice area.
When you buy a house, you buy a neighborhood.
Well, Afghanistan's in a really bad neighborhood.
It's got Pakistan next door, and they're run by Looney Tunes people.
It's got China next door.
They're even worse.
Russia's nearby.
tim pool
Iran is next door.
dan gainor
It's a mess.
And it's exactly the same problem Vietnam had.
When you've got China, a nation now of 1.3 billion people nearby, and you're another nation trying to end up with the same destiny.
It doesn't matter whether you're Taiwan or Afghanistan, you're going to have trouble.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, how about we take a look at what's going on over in Afghanistan?
We have the story.
It's pretty interesting.
Tucker Carlson questions if Biden admin botched Afghanistan withdrawal on purpose.
And we got some more stories to potentially back up the claim that Joe Biden screwed up Afghanistan on purpose.
Tucker Carlson pondered whether or not the administration deliberately botched the Afghan withdrawal during his show Thursday evening.
Carlson's guest Glenn Greenwald was discussing how there are elements in the political establishment that would like us to remain in Afghanistan.
The conversation led to the host questioning if there was a possibility there was an interest in screwing up to justify future engagement.
Quote, I never want to be a conspiracy nut at all, but I mean, everything you said is true so far.
So is it worth at least wondering?
This is such an obvious screw-up.
You and I have no experience running a military or logistics withdrawal.
I can't even organize my garage, but even you and I would probably do a better job of withdrawing than these guys.
It was just like, it was comically bad.
Is it possible they didn't interest in making it bad to justify future engagement, or is that too much to even speculate about?
Well, I give you the story from the Daily Mail.
Glenn Beck claims U.S.
State Department and Biden's White House are blocking his efforts to rescue Afghan Christians from the Taliban who want to set them on fire.
Why would they tell someone with the capability of helping in the evacuation not to?
Why would they block that?
Unless they want the chaos so they can justify remaining.
dan gainor
Well, I think there's some legitimate reasons and some illegitimate reasons.
I mean, the illegitimate reason, they don't want to be shown up.
Our troops have not been allowed to leave the airport area to go rescue Americans elsewhere in Kabul, much less the rest of Afghanistan.
But, you know, if you flip it around, if you're trying not to have a confrontation with the Taliban and trying to get everybody out, and you've got random elements out there who, let's just say, are more cowboy-esque and willing to fight if they've got to, well then the Taliban's going to see that as engagement across the board, and then our troops are fighting.
So I can see that.
But what I can't see is when the State Department rejects when you get people to the airport, the State Department says, sorry, you can't commit that there.
Our State Department is not requiring all the paperwork for everybody gets there that they're getting out.
So then you look at more.
It looks more like, hey, you showed us up.
You made us look bad.
tim pool
Let me make a better point.
The morning of the attacks, the US and the UK warned their citizens to stay away.
The Marines who lost their lives were also briefed that there was potentially going to be an attack.
They were still told to process Afghan allies.
Something doesn't add up here.
Think about this in full context.
You've got Marines at the gates checking IDs for Afghan allies to bring them in.
The U.S.
says someone is going to try to attack us.
American citizens stay away.
But we'll still board Afghan allies.
So they tell the Americans, no, you can't come right now because it's a threat.
These people are welcome to get on the plane, and many of them did.
ian crossland
They weren't worth as much.
tim pool
But something doesn't make sense.
This, to me, is well beyond a mistake.
ian crossland
For all I know, the U.S.
government could have planted the freaking bombs and lied about it.
We're in a conspiracy world.
What the heck's going on?
tim pool
We're not in a conspiracy world.
We're talking about a fact that they issued a warning saying, Americans, stay away.
They told the Americans not to come and then told the Marines to keep processing the Afghan citizens.
And then a bomb went off, killing Marines and Afghan citizens.
And the reason why there weren't Americans there is because they were told not to be there.
ian crossland
But 13 Americans died.
tim pool
U.S.
ian crossland
troops.
tim pool
Marines.
Who are still down there checking IDs at the airport.
Why weren't they pulled from the checkpoints?
Why didn't they say, if we can't get Americans out, we ain't getting anybody out, and we're not gonna risk the lives of our troops.
No, they said, stay at your post.
Someone's gonna attack us.
We won't let those Americans die, but you, you're cannon fodder.
That's just what they did.
I can't imagine that it was an accident.
ian crossland
Well, immediately after it happened, you get Biden come out and say, we're going to go after whoever did this at a time of our choosing at a place of basically saying, just so you all know, this is a green light for us to reinvade or to re-attack.
tim pool
We're going to hunt them down.
dan gainor
Remember, they're also talking about blowing up all the vehicles and aircraft that we left.
So, you know, you talk about, oh, ongoing relations with the Taliban.
But by the way, hey, you know, those jets are flying over your country blowing up your stuff.
You know, they're ours.
tim pool
Yeah.
dan gainor
You know, and we've we made it clear we're not getting everybody out.
You know, we we know we're not getting everybody out.
So then what happens the first time?
Because the Taliban is not a top down organization.
It's not, you know, it's not like the U.S.
military where When the president gives an order, you expect a private somewhere 7,000 miles away to do exactly what the president ordered.
So let's say the first time Taliban not just chops off the head of an American, but live casts it somewhere.
you know, who spreads the video on the internet. What are we going to do about it? I mean,
this is going to be an ongoing thing. How many hundreds or thousands of Americans and then also
American allies are going to be left there? And, you know, it's so whether you like it or not,
it's certainly been botched. You're right. I mean, we could have done we could have gotten
the DND group from downstairs.
We could have planned a better exit using miniatures.
tim pool
I just want to stress this point that needs to be said because it needs to be questioned.
There needs to be a hearing.
This needs to be brought up.
If they said there is an imminent attack and Americans should stay away, But then told the Marines to keep working to process non-citizens for transport.
Something doesn't make sense.
ian crossland
I think they were taking a risk.
Like, they knew there was a probable attack, but you can't shut down just based on— Enough to not evacuate American citizens?
tim pool
Enough to say, we will leave Americans behind enemy lines?
Something doesn't make sense.
If— What does Joe Biden— Look.
We're hearing wild estimates.
Some say 1,000 to 2,000 Americans still in Afghanistan.
Some say 35,000 to 50,000.
Who knows?
Yeah, some people, I don't know if that's true or not.
NBC reported 15,000.
Then there was AP reporting 4,400 evacuated.
So let's say maybe 10,000.
We don't know.
And when the Biden administration is asked, they won't say.
So we don't know.
But it was enough to say Americans should not come for evacuation, but not enough to say Marines should stop processing You could argue that they're trying to clear the crowd around the area so we can get Americans out, but the problem is the crowd doesn't dissipate.
It's millions of people.
dan gainor
As soon as you clear out people who are around the airport, more people come.
Because a whole bunch of people, particularly in Kabul, want to get out.
You know, if you're a woman, why?
I mean, and you have some opportunity to get out.
Why would you want to say in the, you know, seventh century lunatic asylum where you're going to be sex slave and, you know, that's just your entire future, not going to be able to, you're not going to be out of the burka.
You're not going to be able to educate.
You're not going to be able to educate your kids.
ian crossland
The kids will be taken and basically put into military training.
dan gainor
Why would you want to stay?
So I understand why people want to get out.
But.
Yeah, it's like they say, well, we've planned out every eventuality.
Clearly they did not.
tim pool
That's a lie.
Unless they did, and this is what they want.
Because, I mean, take it to its logical conclusion.
If they did plan every contingency, Oh wow, so this is on purpose?
dan gainor
You planned for this?
Why did we close Bagram Air Base?
I mean, that's really the big question.
You don't have to say we would take the whole exit plan to Bagram, but why did we close the base that's isolated and safe and you don't have really high buildings around where snipers could shoot at you and stuff like that?
tim pool
Something's wrong.
This is...
You know, part of me wants to believe that Biden fell asleep during a meeting and Kamala and Millie and the other, you know, members of his administration were just kind of like, so, early lunch?
And then got up and walked out.
Like, we don't care.
That's on him, not us.
He's the one who's gonna, you know, be attacked in the media.
Who's gonna blame us, huh?
dan gainor
Well, it turns out a lot of people.
tim pool
Yeah.
And I mean, it's not just... But a buck stops with Biden and he's getting the most of the heat.
dan gainor
Right.
But it's not just and to be fair, it's not just one party.
It's not just one group of generals.
This is 20 years of everybody owns this.
And, you know, we've left 600,000 rifles.
600,000 rifles in there, thousands of vehicles, couple hundred aircraft.
We left $85 billion worth of hardware.
And I'm sorry, I find it hard to believe that that's entirely accidental.
tim pool
You ever see Idiocracy?
dan gainor
Oh, love Idiocracy.
tim pool
Mike Judge, man.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, I just saw it a week ago.
tim pool
Yeah, we were watching it.
dan gainor
It was funny.
It's a documentary.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Terrible.
So, you know, I think about how Mike Judge took this concept of, like, if nature just rewards those who reproduce the most, what would happen?
And I'm like, let's imagine a future based on American foreign policy in the Middle East and what it leads to.
So you've got ISIS, you've got the supporting of Syrian rebels and arms dealing, not to mention Fast and Furious with the cartels, and you could make an idiocracy where it's like, After hundreds of years of the U.S.
going into foreign countries for intervention, losing and then leaving behind hundreds of millions of dollars in supplies, the world ends up with, like, massive armed factions with, like, American-level technology in all these different parts of the globe, all going to war and just blowing each other up.
You end up with, like, just 50 different Isises.
Isis, A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, J, K, L, M, N, O, P. And they're all in different regions, all with Blackhawks and F-15s, bazookas and, Like, why didn't they decommission the planes?
dan gainor
Be a good video game.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
The year is 2130.
America just pulled out of its 87th attempt.
Here you go.
ian crossland
Like, why didn't they decommission the planes?
Why didn't they melt them down with thermite or something?
dan gainor
We left all this stuff for the Afghan army.
I have to lift my other arm so I can do air quotes for Afghan army.
I don't really blame the Afghan, you know, the soldiers.
They lost 50,000 guys in 20 years fighting, fighting against the crazy Taliban.
But their leaders were corrupt.
Their leaders were, you know, were evil.
We weren't allowed to stop that.
You know, the fact that it fell apart so fast because they tried to create a modern army for people who were not ready for it.
ian crossland
Yeah, and Kurt Schlichter explained this, was saying that we built a modern American style army with massive amounts of logistics, which is like the backbone of our army.
It was massive logistics.
And then we removed the logistics from it.
dan gainor
Yeah, when Biden pulled and said, you know, we're pulling out, he wouldn't allow the contractors back in.
Well, the contractors were maintaining the Air Force, but they had a land-based army that was counting on air, you know, air support.
And, you know, of course, they realize, hey, you guys built the wrong army.
You left us, you left us out hanging out to dry.
We built like some Pentagon fantasy army.
tim pool
You ever play Command & Conquer?
Yeah.
They should have built Tesla coils just all over.
ian crossland
There's still time.
dan gainor
This is really the OG gaming night.
We're whipping out Command & Conquer, man.
tim pool
For those that aren't familiar with the reference, Command & Conquer is like an isometric strategy game where you collect resources, Tiberium, and then Similar to StarCraft.
Yeah, so there's something you can build.
I think Tesla coils are not, right?
They're like the bad guys.
ian crossland
Or is that Red Alert?
Did Nod have Tesla coils?
Or is that only the second one in Red Alert?
dan gainor
I think that's Red Alert.
ian crossland
Oh, okay.
tim pool
Red Alert.
Right, right, right.
Soviets.
Awesome game, by the way.
dan gainor
Dude, it's so groundbreaking.
tim pool
So you build towers, and they're Tesla coils, and when anyone gets close, it just zaps them with a bolt of lightning and just...
ian crossland
That was how I learned about the word Tesla.
I didn't know what- I never even heard the name before.
That's how buried that guy was.
tim pool
We were talking about- we got weeds, okay?
We got, like, weeds.
They're growing everywhere.
And we used to have this really nice, like, trim around the porch of wood chips.
And the weeds started growing and just nobody really paid attention within, like, a month.
It's just a jungle, right?
So I got a weed whacker.
But the weeds are too overgrown and the whacker broke.
So I was like, what do we do?
I'm like, we can take, we have these throwing axes.
I'm like, what if we bolt the throwing axe to the weed whacker?
And then everyone's like, that's a really, really bad idea.
This is going to eject a hatchet, you know.
ian crossland
You're standing next to it.
tim pool
Hold on.
And so I said, what if we took the magnetron out of a microwave, attached it to the end of a 2x4, put a soup can on it to direct the microwaves, and then carried one of those high-power batteries we have in our backs, and created a portable active-denial system, and then we could point that, which would effectively boil the water in the weeds, and kill them?
And then I realized, whoa, we could build a portable active denial system.
That's kind of crazy.
Active denial system is a microwave weapon the military uses to make people feel like they're on fire.
And I'm like, that's kind of crazy.
dan gainor
I'm sure your neighbors would just love to know that you built one of those.
tim pool
We don't really have neighbors.
I mean, kind of.
You have to walk quite a bit for the most part.
But, uh...
unidentified
I don't know what the law is on that, so we'll just not do it.
dan gainor
I think I would recommend, at least while we're on YouTube right now, saying that you're not planning on building this.
ian crossland
Well, we can plan on it, but we gotta look at the legality.
tim pool
Hold on.
There's videos on YouTube showing you how to do it!
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
Yeah, so when you put the soup can, or I think they might use a Pringles can, it's like, depending on the frequency of the microwaves, it focuses it.
And so this is really cool.
They do these experiments where they will take a two by four, put the magnetron on it, plug it in, and they'll point it at fluorescent lights and the light up.
That's like, it's crazy, right?
Like wireless energy.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
And this is a little, a little, maybe not off topic, but a bigger picture.
I can't wait.
dan gainor
What is on top?
ian crossland
I can't stand the nanny state trying to protect and control the mind because we have access to the most dangerous and epic equipment at all times.
We have open flame, for instance, fire.
dan gainor
Yeah, you can get your own flamethrower.
tim pool
Those are illegal in a lot of states.
dan gainor
Depending on where you are.
ian crossland
For a human to experiment with dangerous technology is part of how we've developed and become what we are as a species.
So to think that we could ever mute that For the safety of our species is, in my opinion, just is illogical.
tim pool
So here's what I'll say.
When I look at Afghanistan and this conventional warfare they do, I'm wondering why they aren't focused on non-conventional means.
So I'll give you a gaming example for the gamers.
You're familiar with, you play D&D, did you play Magic the Gathering or anything?
dan gainor
Sorry, yeah.
tim pool
You're familiar with in-game meta.
So, for those that aren't familiar, this means, like, if there is a style of play in a sport, let's say MMA.
A lot of people know MMA.
The MMA guys all learn very specific things because there's, you know, certain styles are more efficient, more effective in the long run.
So, people decide, I'm gonna learn these, you know, certain martial arts for these circumstances.
But then what happens is, one day someone says, I'm going to do something totally unconventional, that they're not expecting.
And they throw something into the mix that may be risky, but these guys didn't train for.
That upsets what's called the meta.
So, you know, when I think about this conventional warfare, like the Taliban, it's been 20 years.
They know exactly what the US has in terms of armaments.
Why didn't the US actually start implementing Less conventional, like new technologies, new strategies, new methodologies.
And it may be true.
I mean, we know about Active Nile systems they've used in Afghanistan and Iraq, I believe.
But there's a bunch of things they could have done.
Laser-induced plasma channels.
I joke about the Tesla coil, but laser-induced plasma technology has been around for some time now.
They can literally point a machine at you that strikes you with lightning.
There's a lot of things that with something like that and enough power to the system, you wouldn't need to aim.
It would literally just be a big block.
And if the enemy approached it, it would zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap, zap.
dan gainor
Yeah, but you're talking basically the apocalypse now solution, the Colonel Kurtz,
you know, they, you know, the guy who goes, you got US government's fighting the war the wrong way
in Vietnam, so I'm going to fight the right way and go native and, you know, do things differently.
Well, but that's, but I will say that is part of the problem. We built a modern army.
tim pool
I will.
I will stress too.
I haven't gone over there.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm sure there's some dude who's like, this guy's an idiot.
dan gainor
We can say this is, but we're just discussing when you're talking about simply breaking the rules.
I I'm a much less now than it used to be.
Football fan.
Low orbit ion cannons.
Baltimore. Baltimore Ravens broke the rules. The NFL says you're going to zig.
Everybody went to the quarterbacks and threw along and all the Ravens said,
well, we're going to have the world's biggest rushing attack. And they then,
ian crossland
you know, that, I mean, so, I was on the receiving end of that as a Browns fan.
dan gainor
I mean, that's, and so if you try something for 20 years and the
Taliban still there, well, you would, you would think getting bigger and getting
ian crossland
My theory is that they didn't ever want to destroy the Taliban.
They want to work with the Taliban.
They always did.
They knew they wanted to convince them to join.
They realized that wasn't going to happen.
Now they want to make them, the government, an ally with them from afar, basically.
Focus on ISIS-K this time.
tim pool
It was justification for staying in the country.
dan gainor
Well, I think I say because I mean, then you get into it is a legitimate question that journalists have not dug into is the military industrial complex.
And where did all the generals who were in Afghanistan go to work after they left?
And how much money did they make and how many of them were living in nice big houses now?
And same for the politicians that then went to work for K Street.
I mean, those are these are the questions that when you see articles in major media right now saying, oh, well, apparently all the Soldiers in Afghanistan who were training the Afghan soldiers realized this was all going to fall apart, that what we were setting up was flawed from the very beginning.
And then you look, okay, well then why can't we dig into that?
That's what journalists should be doing.
That's legitimate.
I don't care whether you're left or right.
I don't care who made the decision.
I mean, like I said, 20 years, there's a lot of people on both sides who might be tied to this.
That's what major media are for, to do that digging.
But because to do that digging, you've got to also alienate the Washington inside the Beltway class, because they don't want that kind of digging, because it's going to make them all look bad.
tim pool
You know what I'm really upset by?
I tweeted at Elon Musk, you know, maybe a year or so ago.
Why aren't you built?
Why haven't you built an Iron Man suit yet?
And he responded with working on Starship.
And I said that is an acceptable response.
The reason I highlight that is that What do people do when they become wealthy and successful?
Boats.
Women.
lydia smith
Dumb stuff.
tim pool
Jewelry.
It's like, how many people are actively doing crazy stuff like Elon Musk is?
Very, very few.
I bring that up, I don't want to derail too much, but when you look at what the U.S.
does, it's 20 years of conventional warfare of the exact same thing we're doing.
I'm just wondering, where's the low-orbit ion cannon?
You know what I mean?
Just like...
Like, selectively targeting... I get it, I get it.
They have Hellfire missiles, and they can very much still do that from the air.
But I'm just saying, too many people think inside the box.
They don't visualize outside of it.
And because of this, we spend 20 years doing the same thing that's not working, over and over and over again, putting our hand on the stove and going, Ow!
It burns!
unidentified
Ow!
tim pool
It burns!
Ow!
And we just don't stop.
We never stop.
dan gainor
I was going to say, unfortunately, the whole world looks at that and says, we don't learn.
And I know some military people who have been, you know, who are very worried about if the U.S.
ends up in a confrontation, particularly in the Pacific, because the Pacific is a long reach for us.
We don't have land bases like we do in Europe, where we have lots of infrastructure and, you know, Germany and France and stuff like that.
tim pool
Guam and Hawaii.
dan gainor
But they're there.
Far between and easier to target for missiles.
tim pool
Did you know that our Air Force was all centralized in one location?
I think it was Guam.
And then it was only recently that we just took all of our Air Force and spread it around the Pacific.
Like, China could have just one-shotted our entire Air Force.
ian crossland
Some people are asleep at the wheel of this machine right now.
This is freaking terrifying.
tim pool
It's because we're the children of the children of the children of those who actually fought in the war.
And so it's, it's, it's, it's the, uh, you know, wealth only lasts three generations.
We did not exp- look at Mark Milley.
He's a politician and a bureaucrat.
He's got all this decorated nonsense and he's like, white rage.
And it's like, this guy doesn't know what he's doing or talking about.
He's a politician.
That's how he gets that position.
How many people have actually, you know, in leadership, have actually gone into combat?
I mean, Donald Trump wasn't politician or in the military.
He was a businessman.
And he still had more people liking what he was doing.
But you get someone like Joe Biden, who's a career bureaucrat and politician, surrounded by career bureaucrats.
They have no idea what's going on.
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
No experience and no understanding of how to maintain and build a system like this.
dan gainor
What's worse is where we've reached now with government is government officials aren't even good at doing the one thing they should be good at, which is being government officials.
FDR, for all of his flaws when he was basically the equivalent of a king, where he won presidency four times, I can't remember if it was in 42 or 43, somewhere out in Virginia, they established an operation to plan post-war, after we won, how to run Germany, Italy, and Japan.
Now, think about that when the war was still wildly in doubt.
We're devoting efforts to already plan to, you know, what happens when we win.
So, of course, when we won, we had plans.
We had a bunch of people trained.
We were somewhat ready for it.
And then when you look, you know, Iraq, Afghanistan, we weren't ready at all.
And we had years and years.
Our bureaucrats don't plan like that.
So I mean, the very thing you want government to be good at is big government.
I mean, OK, if you're going to at least you're going to be big government, do it well.
tim pool
I think the simple solution may just be that the U.S.
doesn't want the end of the Taliban.
They wanted an excuse to maintain these positions.
They didn't want an end to ISIS.
You know, look, under Obama, ISIS grows and grows and grows.
Under Trump, he just crushes them.
And it's because, for one, ISIS was destabilizing Syria in a lot of ways, and that's what the U.S., I think, was hoping for.
And it gives the U.S.
a good excuse to go in and do whatever they want.
But, oh no, oh geez, we have to go to war because of these bad, bad people.
And it's like, yeah, the bad, bad people that you're responsible for.
Look, we funded the Mujahideen, we supported them, and we made a mess of things.
And that's all, apparently, we keep doing.
dan gainor
But this is why politicians hated Donald Trump.
The rule of Washington, and you see this in both political parties, is they never want issues to go away.
Why are we still fighting over abortion on the right?
Why?
Because Republicans had both houses.
unidentified
And they didn't do it.
dan gainor
Why?
Because then if you remove the issue, if you end that fight, everybody will vote for you next time.
My God, you're the guy who ended abortion.
God bless you.
And then the next time they say, well, what have you done for me lately?
unidentified
Right.
dan gainor
And so if you end an issue, so nobody wants to end the fight.
The same goes for the military.
Military want to have a base.
They wanted Bagram Air Base for the end of time.
I was like okay well why so they're the generals are pouting you know oh my god you took away our air base that we could access all sorts of stuff in asia well Then be honest about it.
It's okay, well, we're gonna be there, we're not gonna ever leave, because we are the bad guests.
We are the people who show up in your home at 5.30 in the evening, and come 4 a.m.
after everybody's left, we're still sitting there, and we're saying, hey, you got some more chips?
ian crossland
Yeah, but when we got there, we kicked the windows in to get in, and then sat down with M16s after we were supposed to be there.
tim pool
We're the guy at the dinner party where everybody is, you know, finishing off their plates and the waiter comes out and says, now, would any of you like dessert?
No, no, no.
I'll have the souffle.
That takes 45 minutes, sir.
I'm OK.
It's a family guy joke.
I'm stealing a family guy joke.
ian crossland
You get a call from the FBI.
They're like, I'll have some.
dan gainor
Yeah.
And then, of course, you want everybody to divide up the check.
unidentified
Right.
All right.
tim pool
Oh, I'll tell you this, man.
I once went out to dinner.
I got invited to a dinner when I was working at a media company.
unidentified
And they're like, we won't name any names.
tim pool
I worked for only two.
We're going to this very expensive restaurant, which I won't name.
And you're invited to come.
And they were like, just ordering and ordering and like bringing things out.
And they were like, get this, get that, get this.
And I'm like eating my food.
And I'm like, this is really expensive stuff.
It was like a hundred dollar plate.
But I'm like, it's cool.
Cause I'm just gonna get this thing.
And then afterwards they're like, so split it.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
And the bill was like two grand, and I was like, what?
There was like five of us or whatever.
I'm like, dude, that's how they get you.
And I'm like, you're crazy.
dan gainor
That's a scene from the movie, The Paper.
tim pool
That's what we're doing in the Middle East, I guess.
Now, it's crazy to see.
I think the EU leaders in the UK were saying Biden's lost it.
They're calling him out.
They're condemning him.
You screwed this up, blah, blah, blah.
unidentified
Yeah.
dan gainor
Well, the one thing we've not talked about from this is because you talk about the EU.
What is going to forget the couple hundred thousand people we get out of Afghanistan?
There are 38 million people in Afghanistan.
And, you know, the Taliban is not exactly going to really focus on border control.
tim pool
38 million people in Afghanistan.
dan gainor
So they're not going to they're not going to be focused on border control.
So how many people from Afghanistan start the long trek 10 million.
A third of the country.
There's food shortages across the border.
tim pool
goodies. 10 million. You know, third of the country. No, but Europe's been decimated by,
by like the global economy is just in flames. There's food shortages across the border.
dan gainor
Right. But you look at Europe and then you look at Afghanistan, believe me,
it's an upgrade. It's, you know, and it's one hell of an upgrade.
So that's why people are constantly risking their lives to cross the Mediterranean.
tim pool
You know, I'll tell you this.
I went to Greece and I actually interviewed many refugees.
And it was really amazing when I was in Athens and we saw some people drug dealing.
And so we actually asked them, like, hey, would you want to do an interview?
We pointed the camera down.
We didn't show their face.
And the guy said that he came.
I think it's been a long time since I watched the video.
The video is still up on my YouTube channel.
You can watch it.
I think he was from Afghanistan.
And they were all given these dreams of, like, how amazing it will be if you can finally make it to Europe, and then he realized it was all not true.
That coming here was actually worse off.
That, you know, you don't speak the language, that your only option is to be a drug dealer, and now you're at risk of being imprisoned, and you're not free, and it's scary.
When I went to France, I went outside one of these refugee centers, And this was the sentiment.
They said we were lied to.
We were told we would come here.
We'd be given jobs and homes.
Instead, we're suffering.
It's worse than ever.
And if I could, I'd go back home.
And then I went to Lesvos.
And there were people who were like swimming to the island.
And they were like, it's a prison camp.
They were like, we came here and now we're in prison camps.
It's torture.
And so they were constantly rioting.
And I'm like, someone is telling these people some BS.
dan gainor
Well, I mean, to some extent, it's the people who sell them immigration, the people who get thousands of dollars from it.
Oh, yeah, I'll care.
I'll transit you across the Mediterranean for thousands of dollars.
One of those boats that, you know, that they try to stop got fifty hundred people in it.
You figure a couple grand a piece on a on a leaky wooden boat with an outboard motor.
I mean, you know, that's that's why they're doing it.
tim pool
Yeah, and I think Greece started scuttling ships and just kicking them off.
They built a wall.
dan gainor
Yeah, they also built a wall.
Very good.
tim pool
They built a wall.
That's a funny thing, too.
I remember when I went to Sweden and then I went to Europe for the refugee crisis.
Donald Trump was like, we're going to build the wall.
It's going to be the greatest wall.
And people kept saying walls won't work because people will fly over.
And then I'm like, a three meter chain link fence reduced immigration into, I can't remember which country, by like 90 percent.
And the reason was the families couldn't go over like the father probably could, but the mom and the kids couldn't climb the fence.
So they'd go around.
Well, and so just literally just a chain link fence.
dan gainor
Well, walls, walls also work when you when you man them.
Yeah, I mean, they don't think if if you somebody can throw a ladder up and put it over and then everybody can climb over.
Yes.
unidentified
But if you've got, you know, a moat with alligators.
dan gainor
Well, I mean, you've got Hadrian's Wall.
I mean, this is a system that worked for a long time.
You've got the Great Wall of China.
Their walls do work, but they require staffing.
lydia smith
Yeah.
dan gainor
And you have to, you know, you have to say, sorry, no.
Stop, everybody.
No.
But look at the border we've got with Canada.
We've got a 3,000-mile unprotected border.
So yes, if people want to go into Canada, Canada lets, you know, pre-COVID, Canada let anybody in.
Now, Canada's also an insane asylum that just restricts every right you could possibly ever think you had.
So pretty soon, I guess we're gonna start getting refugees from Canada into the United States, so we'll have to worry about that border, too.
tim pool
So this is, uh, yeah, I didn't see this story.
Check it out from Reuters.
August 21st, Greece completes border wall extension to deter potential Afghan migrants.
And, uh, there it is.
I mean, that's a hefty wall.
Looks like it's got barbed wire on it.
dan gainor
Notice it looks better built than ours.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What's up with that?
It's a boundary with Turkey.
It is bollard fencing.
It's, it's very, very similar, but it does look better.
Like ours look rusty.
What was up with that?
unidentified
You know, they built it with rust.
dan gainor
Well also then, you have to remember, you wonder if when the Greeks build that wall, if they're also thinking about the fact that they tend to maybe go to war with the Turks?
Is this just one more sort of discouragement to the Turks roaming in and attacking them?
Because they still divide Cyprus.
tim pool
You know, it's like the global order is collapsing.
It's not just the United States.
It's all of this international trade.
You know, when we were hearing China was turning back ships from American companies because they wanted to keep the equipment, the PPE and stuff like that.
Just the whole system is collapsing.
dan gainor
Well, it's that the center cannot hold thing.
I mean, you know, we've all four of us lived in unprecedented times.
We're still benefiting from the post-war boom, from World War II.
World War II blew up the manufacturing and the cities of pretty much almost every civilized nation.
And coming out of it, it states We didn't do it.
So we built tons of factories, and then the soldiers came back.
We had this manufacturing base, and we're very difficult to invade, at least as a military, because of where we're located.
tim pool
And we're armored to the teeth.
dan gainor
Yeah, and so we still were sort of basking in that, but times changed.
When the internet got invented, Fortress America went away because suddenly Russia, China, and Iran, anybody else who wanted to involve themselves in America could do so every single day.
They could do it on the internet and social media made it worse.
It's not, let's talk about, you know, Russia.
I'm talking about RT.
I'm talking about, you know, Chinese media.
Chinese have Facebook won't allow itself to be based in China.
Oh, we're not gonna go in China.
They got the great firewall of China.
But meanwhile, Chinese media companies have 751 million followers on Facebook.
million followers on Facebook. Oh yeah. 751 million followers and pushing out
pro-China propaganda. I don't see Facebook kicking them off.
I don't see them restricting because they don't dare mess with China.
And not to mention, in fact, of course, the money they're getting from the ad placement on those 751 million users.
ian crossland
Yeah, I was looking at Facebook followers, man, and these politicians will have like 600,000 followers, 300,000 followers, people I've never really even heard of or just starting to hear of.
It could be, that could be a good thing that they're becoming famous, but they're not really that special of people.
Like I don't, they don't strike me as like exceptionally talented or intelligent, maybe, maybe intelligent, maybe, but they just, they put them, so they ran for that position.
They won the popularity contest and now they're.
Super like 27 year old people have hundreds of thousands of followers that will never leave like for the rest of their life.
Those people know who they are.
And this is disturbing.
It's disturbing that that a politician might make a life out of it.
That that is not tenable.
dan gainor
Well, we live in a narcissistic culture.
We've exported it now to the whole world.
ian crossland
To sell out your ethics to get re-elected has brought us to where we're at right now, I think.
dan gainor
Well, it's not just re-elected.
It's get famous.
I mean, that's what happened with Swalwell.
If you're not an especially famous congressman and And some hot young girl wants to, I'll use the air quotes again, euphemistically date you.
And, you know, alarm bells should go off in your head if she's super hot and old Chinese.
Somehow that should occur to you.
tim pool
You see it all the time.
The frumpy weird kid, you know, and he's, you know, Just trying to be cool and fit in and then all of a sudden this attractive woman and he falls right for it.
Oldest story in the book.
Turns out she's a Chinese spy the whole time.
ian crossland
Horatio Sanz was going through that.
His statement was like, when I was a kid I was super unpopular and girls never liked me and now he's super famous and he's got all these like 17 year olds coming up to him and crawling all over him at bars.
tim pool
So he was a creepy weirdo when he was young and he's an even creepier weirdo when he's older.
ian crossland
Love you, love you Horatio.
No, I'm just kidding.
I don't know anything about that guy.
Yeah, and I don't know if he was the one that said that.
I think Chris D'Elia had said that, that like, when I was a kid, I had no.
And so now he's older and he's like, high school girls are talking to him for the first time.
tim pool
But telling people you were a creepy weirdo when you were young doesn't excuse you.
No, it's disgusting.
ian crossland
But now you understand why they go, why they're crazy like that.
dan gainor
Why would a famous... Ordinary people don't have the opportunities to take advantage or be taken advantage of the way famous people do.
Look at athletes.
Athletes, the second they're identified in peewee sports, you know, you're a, oh my god, you can throw the ball.
Oh my god, you can run fast.
You can hit the ball.
Their lives change.
Everybody tells them they're great.
High school, grade schools, high schools, college, bend over backwards.
The stars of our pro sports, even the secondary or tertiary players in our pro sports, were people who were stars every step along the way in their lives.
Ravens right now have a backup quarterback who actually beat Lamar Jackson, the starting quarterback, when they were in high school together.
And so, Now he's a backup quarterback in the NFL, maybe he's the second quarterback, and he's always been a star.
When that happens, you'll have women throw themselves at you, or men, depending on who you are.
Financial opportunities, everybody thinks everything you say and do is perfect.
This is what happens to politicians.
Politicians get used to yes people.
One of the worst problems that they see is nobody will tell the boss, hey boss, that's a really stupid idea.
And so it becomes a culture.
Every time I hire people, I have to sit down and try to explain to them, yes, you're allowed to tell me I'm wrong.
Matter of fact, you're encouraged to do it because sometimes I'm an idiot.
ian crossland
That's a good point because we hire them, but then they hire a bunch of yes-men to surround them as they do their job, like their staff, these politicians.
tim pool
Or they're politicians because yes-men surround them and tell them to run.
You know what it is?
I was reading that celebrities tend to be narcissists, because narcissists tend to be the people who insert themselves.
And so, it's no surprise the people who are on TV all the time are the people who are demanded to be on TV because they think they're better than you.
You get a bunch of narcissists and sociopaths.
Same thing is true of politicians.
There's the people who are like, I must run because only I can save the people!
It's like, you're a nutjob.
How do you find real leadership?
dan gainor
But I mean that's all people in Washington.
I had a former girlfriend of mine tell me one time, she's like, well you don't have a big ego.
I said, you're just grading on a curve.
You know, it's just DC man, you know, you're working on Capitol Hill.
Everybody in DC's got a huge ego just by comparison.
tim pool
Yeah, if we could find a way to use ego for an energy source, DC would power the universe.
ian crossland
Pies of electricity?
Measuring the vibration of the brainwaves and creating electrostatic charge?
dan gainor
When you say brainwaves in DC, I think you definitely would be able to power a flashlight.
tim pool
I mean, that's being generous.
An LED flashlight.
How about that?
ian crossland
Did you work in the DC machine?
dan gainor
Prior to working for media critics, I was in media.
I worked a couple of daily papers.
I worked for Chronicle Higher Education, Congressional Quarterly.
I've always worked in media or in some form or now criticizing media.
ian crossland
Do you think this is something we've come up with is that they say politics is downstream from culture?
I think culture is downstream from technology.
Do you see any any possibility that this system could be solved politically?
dan gainor
Well, the problem is political will comes from people, which is back to culture.
And, you know, that's so I mean, it's all it's all synergistic.
I mean, there's no you can't just take one piece out.
Donald Trump was a great example of how A combination of technology and culture.
People just wanting change.
A lot of Bernie Sanders people voting for Donald Trump.
People were frustrated with the powers that be.
You think people were frustrated with the powers that be when they voted for Donald Trump?
You get three and a half more years of what's been going on the last seven months, and they'll be willing to vote for the ice cream salesman down the street.
tim pool
Let's say, establishment politics, we will call Substance X.
And Substance X has been pouring out of all of our faucets and our vents and our TVs.
dan gainor
It's the blow.
tim pool
Yeah, it's just sludge.
And then what happens is Trump comes along and he's like, I'm gonna fix it all.
It'll go away.
I'm the best.
No more Substance X. And people are like, I will take whatever I can get.
But what happens is he plugs it up.
It starts backing up in the pipes.
And now Biden is like ultra concentrated substance acts.
It's like, it's like it builds up and then Trump holds it back for a few years and then boom, it comes out and you get everything that people hated about establishment politics going back for decades.
Biden is, and with along, along, along with the media, like a hyper concentrated version of it.
dan gainor
Well, it's not just by its particulars.
Yeah, it's along with the media.
I mean, right, whether how much Biden is doing the self, it's certainly the establishment that's running DC right now is, you know, the back of the woke politics, the woke, you know, stuff in school, critical race theory, which is racism.
All of this stuff is so overwhelming now that it it's intended to overwhelm you it's intended to make you lose hope it's intended to make you give up and just accept it we're living through a cultural revolution so yes culture so so all that stuff is still downstream from from culture but the difference is culture is now hyper powered with technology that it's never seen before china is doing a good job of mastering it or at least riding the
Riding the Fenris Wolf, you know, and not having it eat him.
Boy, that's that's probably my dorkiest reference for the evening.
ian crossland
I think a lot about deepfakes because we're coming up on neural net and deepfakes and like when we see a deepfake video of a guy getting his head cut off by a deepfake ISIS guy and a deepfake American and we think it's real and it might be a real fake person's face on and then the country goes to war because of some deepfaked False flag.
dan gainor
Running Man.
The map where they map the guy and they kill Arnold Schwarzenegger.
They map Arnold's face on somebody else.
That's with deepfakes.
And you know who's most scared of it?
Politicians.
Because they're afraid for the late hit where it shows Politician X or Substance X within a porno.
tim pool
Yeah.
Uh, someone tried making, like, I remember there's a viral video of, like, the pee tape.
And they're like, it was clearly staged and faked with an awkward camera angle.
But it's not even necessarily deepfakes.
It's when, you know how they do the, the, um, what is it called when they make the, uh, oh, that is a deepfake, I guess.
When they just make a fake person.
It's not a real person.
The face doesn't exist.
It's like, oh, yeah.
Yeah, so it's not like they'll take Ian's face and put it on your body.
It's like they literally will artificially generate a face that is of no person that's real.
dan gainor
Yeah, we got the sites that now create, just build your own avatar.
tim pool
Do you guys remember when they made the Joe Rogan simulator?
Where you could type in words and then it was Joe Rogan saying them?
unidentified
Oh, nice.
tim pool
And it was near perfect.
Yeah.
And they ended up taking it down, I guess.
ian crossland
Joe's like, it's a little too much.
tim pool
I don't know if Joe came out against it, but like, they can do that to anyone.
ian crossland
They took it down?
tim pool
Yeah, the guys who made it.
ian crossland
It was too creepy or something?
tim pool
They were making videos of Joe saying crazy stuff to prove a point.
unidentified
And it's like, that's messed up, dude.
dan gainor
Somebody posted a video just this week where it was from Canada and it was a woman saying that ISIS are brothers.
And I raise question because it didn't lip-sync out.
And I still don't know, I haven't seen it where it becomes proof that it was phony, so maybe it's legit, but it didn't look, if you watch the video, very clearly she's enunciating every syllable correctly and she gets to brothers and there's like a little blip and then it doesn't look right and i'm thinking is this phony so i mean i i even tweeted people and i saw several people raising the question
tim pool
Why haven't we seen more of this?
Like, why haven't we seen, you know, AOC or Trump or Biden or Harris?
ian crossland
Oh, it is coming.
dan gainor
Yeah, he's right.
tim pool
It's coming.
Well, yeah, I mean, imagine what Iran or Russia could do.
Putting out a video of Biden, and it's just like deep faked in audio, and it's Biden saying something.
And they wouldn't make it crazy, like him saying something, like Rachel Slurry would be him saying something like, Yeah, well, what was I supposed to do about these Marines anyway?
You know what?
We got more.
dan gainor
Or, or, you know, literally saying, F them.
Yeah, just, you know, from, from a little, oh, here's a, here's a tape because, but the deep states, you can't just do that because it's, it's too, people be like, F them.
tim pool
Like, there's no way Biden would say that.
His son died of cancer and served.
dan gainor
But he, you know, I mean, I think a lot of politicians would say that.
tim pool
People, yeah, people, people would believe it.
But I think if we saw a PSYOP, it wouldn't be that direct.
It would be something like, yeah, well, we're sad to lose them, but we got more.
dan gainor
Well, remember, we're living in the PSYOP.
And I don't mean like some sort of phony artificial thing.
The whole goal of foreign governments is to put us against each other.
ian crossland
Yeah.
dan gainor
And we're living that every day.
And I mean, the us-them thing, we live the us-them thing.
And I'm probably, you know, a good part of that, you know, fighting that.
But if you look every single major issue now that's fought on Twitter, you run into the bot armies.
And the bot armies make it look like, oh, there's a lot of support for this thing.
tim pool
Well, they're not necessarily bots, they're sock puppets.
dan gainor
Yeah, sock puppets, but phony accounts or small accounts.
tim pool
That's why you don't read replies.
Don't read comments.
dan gainor
I mean, I look for real people.
tim pool
It's one guy.
Like, when you read your comments, and you have like 10 comments where they're like, you're ugly, you're fat, you're a loser, it's one guy doing it.
ian crossland
It's God speaking to you through whatever.
dan gainor
What's funny is when you delete the one, and another one just picks up right where the one left off.
Like, of course, it's the same person.
They think you don't...
tim pool
Or when they accidentally use their socks without realizing it.
I forgot to switch their account.
dan gainor
Oh, another zero follower June 2021 account.
But nevertheless, politicians and business people don't understand this.
Flat out don't.
So when Tennessee went to constitutional carry for guns, God bless them, I saw some people responding to the governor saying oh thank you very much this is you know this is great we want next thing the parade of the accounts and you could tell some people who were on there didn't get what was happening and that's truly unsophisticated i mean that's that's you know garbage entry-level you know uh political maneuvering
The Democrats have a couple bot armies or sock account armies.
Russia has at least one or two.
China has one.
Iran doesn't, shockingly.
And they don't even understand you can block people.
So they're very unsophisticated.
But we've now discovered the Taliban is so sophisticated that even the media are speculating that they've hired a PR firm.
So this affects our politics every single day and it's designed from foreign governments and even people in our country to pit us against one another.
tim pool
Let's go to Super Chats!
If you haven't already, smash that like button, subscribe to this channel, share the show with your friends, and check out the Cast Castle because we have started ramping up production.
We're getting almost daily vlogs out right now.
And if you want to see the inner workings of what's happening here at the studio, it's a whole lot of just, I don't know, people are skating.
We had a fog machine.
dan gainor
You got a really cool, cool facility here.
You really do.
tim pool
And we started this show, the Cask Castle Vlog, earlier this year, and now we've ramped up production, so we're getting to the groove, figuring things out.
The other day I went down into the green room where we invite our guests, and it was full of smoke from the smoke machine, and our guest Daniel Turner is sitting there in a shroud of fog, and I'm like, what are these people doing in my house?
And they're so cool, and I'm like, guys, and they're like, oh.
I'm like, get a fan!
What are you doing?
We have people coming in the house!
But it's funny.
ian crossland
Always an adventure.
tim pool
So, youtube.com slash castcastle.
Let's read some superchats.
Smash that like button for Ian.
If you smash that like button today, a sad Ian will be brightened by your contribution of one like.
lydia smith
It's true.
ian crossland
Thank you.
dan gainor
I'm with Ian.
Smash it for me.
Smash it for me so that you bring me back because this place is cool and I actually don't live all that far away.
unidentified
A sad old man.
dan gainor
Smash it for the creepy old guy who's hanging out with people half his age on Friday night.
ian crossland
The magic user.
dan gainor
Yeah, exactly.
How old are you?
unidentified
Old.
You don't want to say?
dan gainor
I don't want to say.
tim pool
Because I don't think Ian's old.
ian crossland
I'm older.
tim pool
Ian's 50. 40.
unidentified
Almost.
ian crossland
I'm almost.
I'm OG.
tim pool
You were quick to be like 40.
dan gainor
Let's just go for OG and stick there.
unidentified
I'm 73!
tim pool
Let's read some of these superchats.
Harryto says, no Luke, we nuke.
ian crossland
No Rutkowski, we pukowski.
I saw that a couple days ago.
tim pool
If people aren't going to be sending loving messages to Luke every day to let him know, I mean, why would he come back?
And the new studio is around the corner, so we're going to have it much easier to accommodate more people, and that's going to be a whole lot of fun.
I'm so excited.
We just ordered a whole bunch of these LED light bars, so the whole top of the room is going to be lined by these LED bars, and then there's going to be a halo above the table, so lighting will be perfectly balanced.
dan gainor
I'm surprised you didn't go for the circular table, though.
Yeah, to do the whole Knights of the Round Table thing.
tim pool
That'd be too difficult.
You'd be sitting next to someone like two feet from you to try and talk to them, you know?
So we can accommodate I think up to eight people now.
Not that we'll do it because that would be a cacophony of voices.
unidentified
It'd be like Twitter.
tim pool
It's already hard enough with four or five people.
dan gainor
Leave one seat just for bots.
lydia smith
Yeah, seriously.
tim pool
We can get a Biden bot.
Just randomly say, come on, man!
ian crossland
Get that 360 camera on one of the seats so that you can watch as if you're there.
tim pool
We could do that.
That'd be cool.
dan gainor
You could steal the animatronic Joe Biden because it really looks exactly like Joe Biden and talks exactly like Joe Biden because he's animatronic.
lydia smith
I want that thing.
tim pool
All right.
Let's read some more.
It's me saying it's Tom McDonald Friday.
Dummies is out.
Yeah.
Wow.
There's, there's so many excellent lines in Tom Macdonald music that I'm just like.
lydia smith
I like it.
tim pool
He's a philosopher, man.
lydia smith
I like listening to him.
tim pool
Yeah.
Dummies is good.
I haven't memorized the lyrics, but I remember sitting there being like, there's, he's got it.
Like there's lines in that.
You should check out Dummies, man.
Tom Macdonald kills it, dude.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
All right.
Let's see what we got here.
Control Alt Delete says, I love Papa Joe.
Take your sum and go back to sleep, sheeple.
We are living in the times between 84 and Brave New World.
Yeah.
dan gainor
But at least Brave New World was a satire.
Yeah, we're living in the real version.
lydia smith
Yeah, I like it.
tim pool
Interesting.
Chris says, couldn't find stream today.
Had to come to channel directly to find it.
Normally it's on my homepage.
Figured y'all should know, I watch every night.
unidentified
Me too.
tim pool
Chris, thank you for seeking out the show.
I will say that we were having weird hiccups where the show was cutting out and our internet's perfect.
And the only other time this has happened has been when we talked about China and censorship.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
So I wonder if they don't like you.
unidentified
That would shock me so much.
dan gainor
Let's see, I support free speech.
I spent all my days fighting idiots who want to censor stuff.
Yeah, I'd be totally stunned.
tim pool
Austin Schaefer with a very intelligent point that I didn't even consider.
Tim, one thing I assume you mean we have to possibly be ready for, a forced vaccine coming from insurance companies for health insurance easily could be rejected on rates raised for health or life insurance if you do not have the vaccine.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Or what if they say access to, you know, Medicare and Medicaid, you have to be up to date with all of your shots.
dan gainor
Well, they could simply say if you're going to get any government program.
lydia smith
Oh yeah, easy.
dan gainor
Yep.
lydia smith
Easy.
tim pool
I mean, is that wrong?
dan gainor
Yes.
tim pool
So it's the question of, if we're going to be paying you to take care of your medical ailments, like we as a community, but you aren't taking care of yourself, why should we pay for it?
dan gainor
Well, so then where do you draw the line?
Okay, you're too fat.
OK, so you've got to lose 20 pounds.
Oh, wait, you're now, hey, your skateboard activities, they're risky.
You're going to hurt yourself.
So you've got to stop that.
Let's see.
You drive too much.
You drive too fast.
You got it.
We got a speeding ticket.
So we're going to take that.
I mean, this is a genuine Twilight Zone episode.
Where the guy wanted to, I think he wanted to lose weight and then they went after his cigarettes and, you know, it's like, or vice versa.
I can't remember which one it was.
But I mean, this is, they can, by that rationale, they can control everything you do.
These doctors who say, oh, well, I'm not going to treat COVID patients who don't have the vaccine.
Well, are you treating fat people?
Are you treating, you know, people who don't take care of themselves in any other way?
lydia smith
That was my observation, too, but I would make it the more analogous comparison between something like an STD, which you can spread to other people.
dan gainor
Yeah, AIDS!
The 100% perfect comparison is AIDS, you know, where it was, oh, you have to be compassionate.
People are still living their lives.
Well, then, you know, the very people who said you've got to be compassionate now want to say, oh, you know, I want to destroy you, want to destroy your life.
You know, I don't like the idea of forcing people to do something.
I've said this before.
I've got the vaccine.
I'm sure some people who are listening right now are freaked out or annoyed by that.
It gave me 100% access to seeing my dad.
My dad's in long-term care.
And when you get the vaccine, you know, the facility that he's in, a lot of people died from COVID.
My father actually had COVID and somehow beat it, even at 92.
But when you've got the vaccine, I can get in to see him.
And so, you know, That's a risk I'll take any day.
tim pool
Do you mean based on regulations or do you mean based on safety?
dan gainor
Based on safety at that facility because they had so many problems.
All the facilities have had to rein things in because there's been so many seniors who were killed.
You get one COVID case in a facility, you know, these are the people who've got comorbidities and they're old and they're the most likely to have the problem.
tim pool
And that's where, you know, Cuomo killed all those people.
I mean, these are the people at risk.
dan gainor
Now one of the reasons why they want Cuomo to go away is there were four other Democratic governors who did the same
unidentified
thing.
dan gainor
And you don't see that story anywhere.
So, but that said, I think the entirely rational approach is simply, okay, I chose my own health care.
Don't force me to choose my own health care.
And that's dictatorship.
tim pool
Well, I mean, forcing you to choose your own health care is like, you better pick what you want to do or else... No, you better pick what we want you to do.
dan gainor
That's what the left does all the time.
Oh, what's the family that's got all the kids?
Oh, the Duggars?
The Duggars.
Okay, so the left will say, We believe that, you know, women's right to choose.
Oh, women's right to choose.
So, but then somebody goes and has a bunch of kids.
They freak out.
It's like, well, you chose poorly.
tim pool
Yeah.
dan gainor
So we don't approve.
tim pool
Well, you ever see the South Park episode where they're having the election between a giant douche and a turd sandwich?
And then I think it's like Stan says, I don't care about voting and they'll get mad at him.
And then finally he's like, you know what?
OK, I'm going to vote.
And Kyle is all like, yes, vote for my guy.
And then he sees that Stan voted for the other guy.
He's like, wait, what are you doing?
No, no, no, don't vote for them.
What are you doing?
You're voting for the wrong person.
Yeah, they want you to vote when you vote for their guy.
dan gainor
It's one of the things that's gone viral repeatedly is the Seinfeld episode where Kramer goes and does the AIDS mock and he doesn't want to wear the button.
Doesn't want to wear the AIDS flag and they beat him up.
It's like, okay, wait a second.
I'm walking.
He clearly cared about the issue, but no, they were like, wear it.
tim pool
He's like, no, he's America.
dan gainor
I don't have to do it.
And that's, and that's the thing.
The more they push any, and it doesn't matter what the issue is.
It doesn't matter whether it's COVID or censorship or anything.
The more government media business coordinate.
And say, this is what you must do.
The more there's a good chunk of the population that says, well, then that's, of course, not the thing I want to do.
ian crossland
Especially against resistance that's already formed.
If there was no resistance and it was an obvious problem, most people I think could get down with self-mandation.
I bring this up, if people were falling down on the street, stumbling over and bleeding out of their face from this thing, I would not have a problem with the government being like, look, we're not going to take a 60% of our population die to this thing.
dan gainor
Well, I mean, that was smallpox back in the day.
Smallpox had a really, really high death rate.
tim pool
Like 20% or something, wasn't it?
dan gainor
I don't remember.
But it was massive, much, much worse than anything we can even comprehend.
tim pool
Let's read some more superchats.
We got a couple people saying that we're being censored.
Coldylocks Production says, your stream no longer shows up on my front page recommendations, and it now continues to freeze when I have full bars of cellular data.
Totally not suspicious, is it?
And we also have full bars on our end, so this is an internal YouTube problem.
Yeah.
This is interesting.
Elizabeth Carmella, comedian, says, Hey guys, I don't know if you guys ever used to watch that show House.
House is awesome.
With Hugh Laurie.
He used Ivermectin many times in that show to treat his crazy cases.
When I first heard the news talking about it, I already knew what it was because of that show.
Interesting.
I'll check that out.
lydia smith
I wonder if they'll take those episodes down.
dan gainor
Or wonder if they already have.
unidentified
Yeah, I'm curious now.
tim pool
UltraSquash says, Hey Tim, been watching since I was 13.
17 now.
Thanks.
Wow.
You gotta inspire children, you know, to be better people.
And that's the goal, right?
That's one of the reasons why we're doing the vlog, because we don't want to be overly political.
We don't want to be overly negative.
We want to put resources into doing things that are fun and exciting and inspirational and positive, you know, and we want people to respect freedom and individuality, so.
dan gainor
I was gonna say, I got the leap on this because I've followed you for 10 years.
Because I go all the way back to Occupy days.
unidentified
Wow.
dan gainor
Which is 10th anniversary coming up next month.
tim pool
That's right.
That's right.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
17th.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
Jay says, do you have any recommendations for new people to learn Linux programming?
I'm looking into a career change.
I want to try this.
Oh, you want to learn to code?
dan gainor
But if you post that on YouTube, we can get banned.
ian crossland
I don't, I am not, I'm not a coder.
I don't know.
I don't know.
That's the short answer.
I wish I could give you some advice.
Um, I think you can like go online and get videos of the programming and then just follow along with it on another monitor.
If you have an extra monitor and then just do the things as they say, step-by-step and you'll learn the process.
But languages are like a big database of information that you'll need to memorize over time.
But the more you enter the stuff, the faster you learn it.
lydia smith
There are lots of sites that do things like classes for painting and, you know, calligraphy.
And I imagine that at least one of them would have some kind of coding.
unidentified
100%.
dan gainor
And I bet some of the posters right now who are responding are responding to him and saying, oh, here's where you go.
ian crossland
The lead developer of mine's learned that way.
Mark Harding.
lydia smith
Perfect.
ian crossland
Watched videos and taught himself.
tim pool
All right.
Secantia says, Hey there, Tim.
Have you heard of a little shop called Five-O Skate Shop?
A certain operator named after a round breakfast pastry.
Also, have you ever watched the Clone Wars Rebels or Bad Batch?
Loving the members only segments.
I have not watched any of those shows and I don't know the skate shop.
Sorry.
David Fry with the $1 Super Chat.
Thank you so much for your support.
All the Super Chats, we love them.
X asks, so, did you sue the fact checkers on Facebook?
So, when, for me, in my case, I didn't actually post the thing that was checked.
And so, the challenge is, it was someone screenshotting a tweet of mine, but it wasn't content that was of mine, it wasn't negatively impacting a page, so there's no damages.
It's just them lying.
And so the challenge with defamation cases, you gotta prove damages.
dan gainor
Well, and also you've got to have an army of lawyers.
I mean, Facebook can, you know, rain money like they're going to a strip club.
And you've got to be able to pay up for that.
And it's hard to do.
It really is.
tim pool
Oh, this is important.
Little Tails Farm says, Tim, our chickens hatch tomorrow and we will be filming it on our YouTube channel for everyone to see.
Also, we bought a huge mini house shed converting into our version of Chicken City.
Love the show.
ian crossland
Nice.
tim pool
We have probably the worst possible time to be doing this.
Well, actually, I mean, maybe Little Tails.
I don't know.
You know better than I do.
We have 12 eggs in the incubator now, and they're going to hatch in about a week, just shy of two weeks.
They're not going to be able to go outside.
It's going to be cold, you know, so we're going to have to keep them inside or build something for them, I guess.
We have three babies right now.
They're two weeks old officially, and so they're running around and they're doing chicken stuff.
dan gainor
They're a big house.
tim pool
Yeah, we got like a we just had to.
So they were in the brooder box for a little while.
Now they're getting too big and they're getting cramped.
So now we set up an even bigger space.
You know, it's like a guinea pig playpen area thing or whatever.
It's like a cage.
And so now they can run around and do their chicken thing and they just they poop where they walk and then they try to eat it.
unidentified
It's awful.
ian crossland
Did you see Chris playing with the wand on the vlog?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
And they didn't want to go back in the cage.
tim pool
They try to jump out.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
You put your hand in, they'll jump on your hand, and then they'll try and climb up your arm.
Well, because they want to get out.
They want to run around and do chicken stuff.
You know what I mean?
ian crossland
We should make like a big area for them to play in if we can.
tim pool
Well, right now they're really small.
They don't need that big of an area.
ian crossland
I bet they would love it.
tim pool
But the previous chicken family, you know, for Chicken City, they have the whole farm area and they roll around in the dirt all day.
And it's really funny.
dan gainor
Just make sure you protect them from aerial attack.
Yes.
My niece has chickens and they noticed a couple chickens disappeared and then they realized they had a hawk in the neighborhood and then they had to build a roof on their... We have a roof.
Yeah, the whole area because the chickens were going out and...
ian crossland
Yeah, we have a roof on one part of it right now.
tim pool
The actual coop is sealed.
dan gainor
But I mean, when they go out, they were getting hawked.
It was like Hawk the Slayer for another movie reference for people who don't remember.
ian crossland
I don't want to wait around and then one day be like, one of them got one of the chickens.
I wonder if we can.
tim pool
Yeah, because they all have names.
We named them all.
dan gainor
Well, then you definitely got to deal with that.
I had a hawk in my neighborhood.
I live in suburbia.
I had a hawk in my neighborhood.
And then when it went away, The dynamic of birds, the birds overbred in my area and went kind of nuts.
lydia smith
Interesting.
dan gainor
And I was like, I wanted the hawk to come back because the birds were like flying into my house windows and stuff like that for a little while.
Come on.
tim pool
All right, this is great.
Steven Heinold says, Tim, why do you always mention Dubuque, Iowa in your analogies?
Did something nefarious happen to you there?
And you're dropping hints for us to solve your secret like a large Timcast Easter egg?
lydia smith
It's true.
tim pool
Buried.
dan gainor
Did you post, hang a flag up in Dubuque and we're waiting for everybody on the internet to figure out where it is?
tim pool
It's because Dubuque is the perfect not big city city.
lydia smith
So random.
tim pool
So it's like, you know, if you said like, oh, in New York, something happened.
It's like, no, no, no.
When you want to mention like middle America, like Dubuque, Iowa, man.
ian crossland
I'm looking it up right now.
tim pool
I guess you could say Omaha.
I've been to Omaha before.
dan gainor
It's awesome.
There's a lot of corn.
ian crossland
Population's 57,800.
There you go.
Salute.
That's what I'm saying.
tim pool
It's a perfect little middle American town.
dan gainor
Kind of my hometown.
Nobody gets the salute reference, everybody.
Nobody watch Hee Haw.
tim pool
Nope.
dan gainor
It's too lost.
tim pool
Jordan says, Tim, the point Dorsey is making is valid.
Yes, it's censorship, but at the same time, it can be dangerous for millions of people using social media to organize against the government.
It is a threat, and he just called it out.
What was that in reference to?
Dorsey called what out?
ian crossland
Is this what his Anatomy of the State post?
tim pool
I mean, his post was, my assumption was it was informing people of Rothbard's writing.
ian crossland
Definitely.
tim pool
Which is calling the state parasitic.
ian crossland
It was like he was calling for help from inside the machine.
lydia smith
That's what I thought it was.
tim pool
It's like you're looking at the screen and his hand is reaching out.
ian crossland
I'm still here!
I'm still Jack!
dan gainor
Help me!
But there is a huge gap between organizing it's a state and causing an actual insurrection, sort of like, you know, Portland, as opposed to posting stuff about COVID where Twitter disagrees with you.
That's kind of a significant difference.
ian crossland
Yeah, I want to upgrade the United States, but sometimes that means twisting aspects of it that I'm afraid that if it gets too much censorship, that we won't even be able to discuss the things that we need to fix.
dan gainor
Well, that's one billion percent the point.
If we can't even talk about the problems, if we can't even... The whole definition of the scientific freaking method is you come up with something and then other people get to challenge it in the normal society.
Otherwise, what you've got is the Vatican from Copernicus's day.
Oh, wait, you came up with science.
Sorry.
We have faith.
And that's what this is.
This is the people on Twitter.
They've turned science into faith.
tim pool
Scientism.
dan gainor
You know, and you get the Washington Post.
I love this.
We did a study about the Washington Post.
Washington Post is all the time.
Oh, well, you guys are not, you know, focusing on the science.
Washington Post last year devoted, by our calculation, 45 full, the equivalent of 45 full pages to, drumroll please, Astrology!
Okay, so the science-y people are devoting the equivalent size of an entire daily newspaper, big daily newspaper in the nation's capital, to astrology, which is bogus, and then turning around and calling people out for daring to disagree with Fauci and such.
unidentified
Yikes.
tim pool
All right, Alex Aitken says, watch the video by Marine LTC Stuart Scheller.
He talks about how people at the top need to be held accountable like the people at the bottom are.
His video will end his 17-year career.
dan gainor
Wow.
tim pool
What is that?
Stuart Scheller.
S-C-H-E-L-L-E-R.
I'll check it out for sure.
lydia smith
Good for him.
tim pool
Yeah, definitely.
We have a great super chat, but the message was retracted.
unidentified
Oh, no.
tim pool
Well, thank you anyway.
Horace Seymour also mentioning Marine Lieutenant Colonel Stu Scheller, who was relieved of command in Afghanistan for speaking out about the Pentagon lack of planning.
Bravo to him.
ian crossland
Wow.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Stephen says, I wouldn't be surprised if the Taliban sold the list of Americans Biden gave to them and ISIS got to the checkpoint with one of the names.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
lydia smith
Yeah.
dan gainor
Well, yeah, you're expecting the the terrorist to be honorable, even if they don't all like ISIS because they're, you know, ISIS.
Now ISIS-K, which, by the way, is just like, you know, some sort of made up term that we're supposed to focus on.
ian crossland
It stands for the Islamic State Khorasan, which is an ancient area of Afghanistan.
dan gainor
But I mean, so.
So, yes, there's been conflict between ISIS and Taliban.
But are we supposed to trust that everybody got access to that list is, oh, an honorable terrorist?
tim pool
Sure, no doubt.
All right.
Let's see.
Alex Kelman says, been watching since March 2020.
Also, TimCast.com member.
First Super Chat.
Walt Disney World is requiring all cast members employees to get the jab by Halloween or be terminated.
76,000 people in Florida.
unidentified
Wow.
dan gainor
Terminated?
Boy, that's just not the wording I would have used if I was Disney.
tim pool
The mass resignation, the great resignation they're calling it, it's going to be absolutely exacerbated by the police now in Chicago are saying, if you push this mandate, we're not going to show up for work.
It's on you.
So many people are going to just be like, nope.
dan gainor
I was going to say, the truckers are the real... The truckers have said, you're going to mess with us when we show up with goods.
If you're going to say, Oh, you don't have, you know, you don't have the VACs.
We're not going to let you in or something like that.
You're going to give us a hard time.
Truckers said they're going to walk.
I said, good luck cities.
ian crossland
A number said that within a year you will see like 500,000 more resignations, 5 million more resignations.
I don't know, but it said that of the current workforce.
And then they specified the work, the workforce is employed and people looking for employment.
Those people are considered in the workforce, even though they don't have a job.
That's insane to me, but that's how you calculate, but they could be considered unemployed.
But they're part of the workforce because they're actively looking.
tim pool
It's backwards.
You're right to bring it up, but what this means is, when we are like, the unemployment rate is currently at 8%, they're not including people who have given up.
So if you're like, I can't get a job.
I quit.
I'm going to go live in the dirt.
They don't consider you unemployed.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
What?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah.
These numbers are twisted.
unidentified
Yes.
dan gainor
All numbers are twisted.
All numbers, government numbers are twisted.
But I mean, that you remind me.
tim pool
Haven't you read The Anatomy of a State?
unidentified
No, I haven't.
tim pool
The State is a Parasite.
ian crossland
I heard that I should read it though.
dan gainor
You reminded me why I like where I work because we do not have a vaccine mandate.
tim pool
And you know, and I can say, you know, I want everyone to understand this.
If you as a business require people to get the vaccine, your employees, you are legally responsible for any adverse reaction.
Now, I personally think the vaccine is safe, but I don't think people should be being mandated And there's, I've mentioned this before, there's like a scaling issue with trying to be more libertarian, like respecting a small business and what their choices are if it's an individual, but it's difficult when you scale up.
The point is, if you work for a company, you know, I'll tell people a few things to ease your mind.
Simply draft out a letter saying that, you know, ask your employer, if they mandate it, say, just, you know, sign this and I'll gladly go to the doctor.
And make them sign a document saying we will claim full responsibility for all, you know, medical issues that arise following this, you know, treatment or whatever.
See what your boss tells you.
dan gainor
I think a lot of them will tell you, no, we're not signing it.
tim pool
But I think it's the CDC that actually says they're liable no matter what if they mandate it.
No, no, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, it's OSHA.
OSHA said that if your job mandates it, they are responsible because it's considered a requirement for work.
So if your job requires you to wear a safety harness as you climb and the safety harness breaks, it's their fault.
They're responsible for that because they made you do it.
Same thing is true here. So I think a lot of these businesses don't realize that and when it comes to like,
you know Your company saying you don't mandate it. We don't mandate
it here because I will not assume liability for people's health choices
That's entirely on them. Not me and we are pro freedom. I'm very pro freedom. Yeah, that's right
All right. Let's see we got here Ben Macklin says satire site the duffle blog hit the nail
on the head with their headline quote General Millie regrets not including Vietnam War history
book on reading list Indeed.
dan gainor
The Ibram Kendi reference.
That's a real good thing.
The Duffle Blog is only second to Babylon D for real cool stuff.
tim pool
Babylon B is prophetic, man.
It's kind of scary.
You can look back in time and see their articles actually come true.
dan gainor
They keep a list of how many times.
My still favorite is the washing machine because it got fact-checked.
It's still for all that it did was by still favors the washing machine where because it
got it got fact check.
You got to remember that.
They actually don't put their story.
See, that doesn't actually put their stories in a giant washing machine.
tim pool
Eric Miller says my third time super chatting this.
Two scientists are trying to build a Star Trek-like impulse engine.
Reported on Bloomberg.
Very interesting.
All right, the Reaper Medic says CPD and CFD are united in total opposition to the Chicago Vax mandate.
Most I know are willing to walk or take leave, myself included.
Both departments are already short on manpower.
This is going to get very interesting soon.
I actually know people who work in those departments, and they have expressed... Yeah, they might just walk.
dan gainor
Well, I mean, Nation, the whole...
Endless war on police nationwide meant that police departments are struggling to find people because who wants to go in an era where you know the politicians won't back you and you can't police?
I know in my own county they had nine graduates from the last police academy class, the smallest in history.
lydia smith
Wow, that's not cool.
tim pool
Kubana says, I changed my career to political sciences.
There's got to be a way to fight back.
Republicans need young blood.
dan gainor
I mean, and balls too.
tim pool
Republicans need, uh, gumption.
ian crossland
Yeah.
The Republican party just like sits around and they're like, I would definitely encourage anyone to, to dispense with the word fight.
Don't use the word fight because no one wants to fight.
Yeah.
People don't want to fight you right now.
They want to create cool stuff.
And they'll like you if you make cool stuff.
tim pool
Build, build, build, build.
Create.
ian crossland
Make.
tim pool
Yeah.
Makers.
unidentified
Fix.
tim pool
Alright, let's see what we got here.
unidentified
Uh-oh, it just jumped on me again.
tim pool
YouTube always does that.
Alright, let's see.
Where were we?
Yikes.
Okay, let's see.
Joe F. says, please read me.
Rosa Kaur, please look into her videos.
She conducted presentations about 10 years ago, and what she discusses is coming to fruition over time and exponentially, oh, I'm sorry, exponentially increasing in velocity.
Green anything?
Interesting.
Uh, exponentially, of course, is the Biden quote.
He said exponentially.
I was going to, I thought it was a typo at first.
I was going to say exponentially, and then I realized what they were doing with exponentially.
And I was like, I had a really good super chat.
I can't see where it is now.
Tina Collette says, Tim, I watch Cast Castle every day.
Take this super chat and buy a hammer.
Seeing your crew use pistols, bats, and other stuff makes me crazy and yell at the TV.
unidentified
That's funny.
tim pool
For some reason, when I was trying to open a box, they handed me one of these throwing axes.
ian crossland
That was awesome.
lydia smith
Why?
ian crossland
It's like a going theme on the castle now.
People in boxes with throwing axes.
dan gainor
At least they didn't throw the throwing axe.
ian crossland
It's very chill.
tim pool
I was like, does someone have a knife I can open this box with?
And I'm like, All right.
It's an axe, I guess.
dan gainor
Is there a future episode you're going to be, you know, on your skateboard throwing axe?
Oh, that's cool.
tim pool
Jimmy Quinto says, so when are you going to have an exclusive Alex Jones interview on your website so more can flock to it?
LOL.
We may have an announcement in the next few days about something that I think will break the Internet.
Alex Jones featuring a special guest.
lydia smith
Oh, yes.
tim pool
I'm really excited.
ian crossland
Alexander himself.
tim pool
Alex Jones and a special guest.
dan gainor
And since I'm privy to this, I'm not going to say I'm not part of the usual propaganda of why you should watch, but I can just say he's right.
It really will break the freaking Internet.
It will.
It's really a cool idea.
tim pool
Well, so what we're trying to do is we're trying to, we don't want to do like crossfire necessarily.
We had, you know, we had Vosh, we had Charlie and that was really fun.
We don't want to do like this very obvious like left versus right.
We want to do like people who don't make sense sitting next to each other.
lydia smith
Yes, this is perfect.
tim pool
So, you know, that's kind of the goal moving forward.
Just to like expand and it's kind of like to bring people together from different areas.
So we really want to do like a crypto expert with, you know, someone who's overtly culture war and like to see where they come together with their ideas and like what they can, what they're concerned about.
That'll be a lot of fun.
But, uh, we're hoping to have, uh, Alex back very, very soon with a really fun guest.
I don't want to say anything, like, obviously we're talking about Alex Jones.
I don't want to say anything definitive yet because we don't have a date and we're trying to figure out, you know, if we can schedule these people properly.
lydia smith
Logistics.
tim pool
But I think it's looking promising.
You know, uh, we've had Alex on a couple times.
We're always, we're always, uh, we always love to have him back.
So.
dan gainor
And you can let us know when they censor it.
lydia smith
Yeah, we will.
tim pool
We will.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because that's, that's, I don't think that'll happen this time.
I think this is going to be a sillier conversation than anything and it'll be a lot of fun and
just you know, yeah, super chill.
Thing about the word.
Well, maybe not chill is the right word.
dan gainor
No, it's, there's going to be no chill in that zip code.
ian crossland
Zero chill.
I noticed about censorship that the act of it just by definition of the word, like if
you make a post and I look at it and I decide to let it be there, I'm censoring it.
But the censor is deciding if it is or isn't.
Just the act of deciding is the censorship.
It's not the taking down of.
So just having censors in place is like...
dan gainor
Yeah, having people who have the power to shut down your thought.
ian crossland
You might like the Minds setup right now.
It's a jury system where if something gets reported for violating terms, it goes to a random selection of users that have to vote if they think it was a violation.
And then if it is agreed upon by the jury, then it's sent.
dan gainor
Yes, that's better than what they set up for Facebook is basically you have the mob and you get enough mob people just click, click, click.
Then you get your post taken down.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
MZ Kim says, get a dog to protect the chickens.
We actually have two dogs that are running around at all times.
And they, you know, they're peeing everywhere.
So we're pretty safe from predators.
We used to have deer that would come out, but the dogs chase them away now.
dan gainor
One of the dogs was super cute.
I can't, the other one was tied up so I couldn't, I didn't get to say hello.
lydia smith
They're the best.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
lydia smith
Fave co-workers.
tim pool
Sonny James says, Tim, I'm finding it real hard to be positive, especially seeing the quarantine facilities go up in Australia.
Any examples of history where the people fought back and won against a minority of totalitarians without other countries' aid who had skin in the game?
dan gainor
Man, I don't know.
Somebody from Australia was telling me that quarantine is just for people coming back into Australia.
tim pool
That's not true.
dan gainor
I'm just saying that's what they're putting out.
tim pool
So it's like, you know, oh, the camps are just for prisoners of war.
Oh, the camps are just for people with typhus.
Oh, the camps are just for the dissidents.
Oh, the camps are just for people we don't like.
dan gainor
What's funny is you mentioned camps.
It's one of the big jerks on Twitter is George Takai, who Grew up in one of the camps built and put there by FDR, a Democrat, and he spends all his time bashing Republicans.
I mean, I'm sorry.
tim pool
Let's ask him about the quarantine camps in, you know, in Australia and see what he says.
I guess somehow if he doesn't, he doesn't run that account, I'm pretty sure.
dan gainor
I guess.
But if that if somebody put him, he goes on television, goes on media all over the place.
Somebody, somebody put me in a camp as a little kid.
And that political party is still strong.
I'd probably hold a grudge.
Just saying.
tim pool
I don't know.
He's got a lot of boots to lick.
Someone's got to do it.
ian crossland
His first name is Hosato.
Changed to George at some point.
I like that guy.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
We'll do just a couple more here.
Garhent says, I just want Michael Malice in real Jester's outfit.
Then Tim brings out a little puppet of Michael as Jester.
That is a really weird, but good idea.
That'd be hilarious.
Like having like a little puppet Michael Malice.
ian crossland
I thought you were going to have him stripped down into those underwears he sells.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
dan gainor
Oh, I could have done without that image.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
It's on his Instagram if you want to see it.
lydia smith
Oh yeah.
If you want to.
unidentified
I do.
tim pool
I still have it.
Yeah, it's on my laptop.
good sir when are you gonna upload the original Alex Jones Michael Malice
episode to the website I don't know if we still have it oh let's put it on
rumble yeah it's on my laptop okay cool cuz I know it is up on iTunes and stuff
unidentified
isn't it yeah yeah the audio I think oh maybe not No, I think it is.
lydia smith
Okay, you had me take it down off the podcast platforms, too.
tim pool
Did I really?
lydia smith
Yeah, you did, because you were like, nope, nope, nope, take it down, take it down.
I was like, okay, all right, okay, all right.
tim pool
We'll put it up right now.
All right, we'll figure it out, yeah.
Yeah, there was a lot of confusion around that, and we didn't know exactly what was going on or why or who was coming after us.
But then we forgot about it, so we can put it up on the website right now.
Um, cool.
All right, Struggling on YouTube says, inside info that CA Hospital is mandating the vaccine, it informed employees that if they are COVID positive but asymptomatic to go ahead and come into work.
It's not about health, it never was.
Yikes, man.
All right, we'll do one more.
BTK says, when Millie meets evacuated troops who had to leave the others behind, and the families of the dead, they'll teach him all colors of rage.
All right.
My friends, it's been a fun Friday night.
Thank you all so much for hanging out.
Go to TimCast.com, become a member.
We're gonna put up that Alex Jones episode on Rumble immediately, as soon as Lydia gets a chance to, I suppose.
lydia smith
As soon as I get my laptop, yeah.
tim pool
Yes.
And then, so maybe by tomorrow morning, I think, you can expect it to be up.
And, uh, man, we screwed that one up.
We should have had it up immediately.
We just kind of dropped the ball on that one.
I think, you know, what happened is that we were gonna, like, we were always planning on getting on the website, but then I immediately shifted focus to rebook them, do the show again, and then, like, a week later, we just did the show again.
Because I was like, ain't nobody gonna bring us down.
But we'll get it up.
So you can follow us on the show at TimCastIRL.
You can follow me personally at TimCast.
Check out YouTube.com slash CastCastle for all the vlog shenanigans.
Dan, did you want to shout out?
dan gainor
Yeah, absolutely.
Follow me on Twitter at Dan Gainor, D-A-N-G-A-I-N-O-R.
If you get censored, which I know a lot of you are getting censored, you get censored, Go to Sensortrack.org.
We got a whole little form for you to fill out.
Fill it out because it's important.
ian crossland
You're doing really important work, man.
Thanks for coming.
dan gainor
This has been really informative.
And by the way, give lots of nice comments about me so they bring me back.
ian crossland
Please do.
I love you.
Thanks, man.
Follow me at iancrossland.net and at iancrossland on social media if you want to get down.
unidentified
Hit me up.
lydia smith
Yes, and I'm loving that Dan is an older version of all the nerdy guys that I hang out with every day.
I think that's awesome.
You guys are free to follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Lids as I continue my quest to have more followers than Sour Patch Kids.
tim pool
We will see you all at the Cast Castle vlog, youtube.com slash castcastle.
Thanks for hanging out and we'll see you all next time.
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