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Aug. 11, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Mike Lindell LOSES Motion To Dismiss Dominion Lawsuit w/Will Chamberlain
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seamus coughlin
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will chamberlain
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unidentified
I'm going to be doing a lot of stuff.
seamus coughlin
boys and girls and the It is I, Seamus Coghlan of ShimCast IRL.
We have a very special show for you today with a very special guest.
We're going to be talking about Rand Paul being kicked off of YouTube.
We're going to be talking about the efficacy of COVID-19 vaccines decreasing.
We're also going to be talking about a judge who ruled against Giuliani, Mike Lindell, and Sidney Powell in their effort to dismiss the defamation lawsuit brought about by Dominion.
So with me, we have Timothy Cast, my good friend.
tim pool
Thanks for having me, Seamus.
seamus coughlin
Of course, I'm happy to.
I'm happy to.
I warned him.
I said, if I get a suit, it's going to become my podcast and YouTube's going to rename it.
tim pool
This has been, it's a dream come true.
I am incredibly honored that you'd have me on ShimCast.yrl.
I'm a huge fan, by the way.
Thank you.
And I just think that this will be my big break.
People will start to recognize my hard work.
seamus coughlin
I hope so.
tim pool
Maybe I could launch something like ShimCast.
seamus coughlin
If you wanted to start your own YouTube channel someday, I wouldn't even spend that much time discouraging you.
A little bit of time.
A little bit, just to see what you're made of.
If you don't fight back against it, then it probably isn't for you.
But yeah, I think you've got a bright future.
tim pool
Thank you, Seamus.
seamus coughlin
You're welcome.
You're welcome.
We've got pushing the buttons.
We have Lydia, who by the way, now that it is my podcast, absolutely.
I mean, being respectful to Lydia is gone.
That's out the window.
lydia smith
That's actually really good to know.
It's going to be as rude as possible.
tim pool
I appreciate knowing that upfront, Seamus.
lydia smith
Thank you.
seamus coughlin
As well as Ian.
ian crossland
It's been a whirlwind for me from Tim to Shim.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I know.
Well, you're under the Shim cast regime now.
Things are changing.
ian crossland
Well, it's hot.
It's hotter than normal, actually.
seamus coughlin
Why am I wearing this sweater?
You know what?
Instead of Ian, we're going to have Will on.
We're going to be bringing Will Chamberlain on.
lydia smith
Oh, Will Chamberlain.
will chamberlain
Me?
seamus coughlin
Yes, you.
will chamberlain
Am I on the show today?
seamus coughlin
Yes, you're on the show.
will chamberlain
Oh, good.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
No, happy to have you.
Thank you for coming on to my podcast.
will chamberlain
I guess there is a reason I put the headphones on.
Alright, fine.
seamus coughlin
Let's do this.
will chamberlain
What are we talking about?
seamus coughlin
Glad to have you here.
No, this is not, no, absolutely not, Ian.
This is why you were fired.
This is ShimCast IRL.
We're going to be talking about a judge ruling against Rudy Giuliani, Mike Lindell, and Sidney Powell.
This is our first topic there.
unidentified
Don't look at me, it's your show!
lydia smith
You got this, David.
unidentified
You're doing great.
great so so uh will in your legal opinion all that we didn't give up we
tim pool
didn't get we didn't get to the promos we doing what are you talking about
seamus coughlin
what for we get started I'm shim cast I said there's no promos today all right
tim pool
before we get into the news my friend this is from me we're taking the show
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And we'll have one of those up for you tonight.
Usually we talk about things that YouTube doesn't allow us to, and I love it when the media tries to smear us over that.
They're like, he's moved his rule-breaking content off of YouTube.
It's like, but YouTube told me to do that.
They're like, don't put that stuff.
Okay, dude, just like stop talking.
Anyway, go to TimCast.com, be a member.
We're gonna be talking about a lot of stuff.
The big story we have right now, because obviously many people have been following Mike Lindell's cyber symposium.
We have a development in the Dominion-Mike Lindell saga, which I find to be quite interesting.
We have a story from Business Insider.
A federal judge denied motions from Sidney Powell, Rudy Giuliani, and Mike Lindell to dismiss Dominion's lawsuits against them.
It's from just about an hour ago.
And as many of you may be knowing, Mike Lindell's cyber symposium is currently ongoing, where they have a bunch of speakers, a bunch of experts.
Mike Lindell's offered $5 million to anyone who can prove that his data isn't the actual voter data, and they're going through screenshots, they've got hash data and stuff.
I gotta be honest.
One of the most challenging things for a regular person is trying to understand what it is they're presenting because a lot of it is, you'll see IP addresses, you'll see networking details, you'll see hash codes, and you're gonna be like, I don't know what those things mean.
And that can be, well, in my opinion, it can probably lead people to make false assumptions.
So look, they're still doing their symposium.
I'll let Mike Lindell do a symposium.
I won't make judgments.
I will wait and see, but I gotta be honest, I am not confident at all, and I'll tell you why.
A federal judge denied motions from Sidney Powell, Rudy Giuliani, and Mike Lindell to dismiss.
Okay, well, hold on a minute.
Back when Dominion announced they were suing Mike Lindell, he actually came out and said he was, quote, very happy to hear that Dominion had sued him.
Quote, now I can get to the evidence faster.
It's going to be amazing, he said, yet that he plans to continue releasing more movies, more documentaries about alleged election fraud.
My issue there is if he was really happy.
That he was being sued because that would give him the ability to enter discovery against Dominion.
Why would he try to dismiss that lawsuit?
So look, I think I favor the audits.
I favor bolstering confidence in our election systems.
And the mainstream media says that everything Mike Lindell is doing is not doing that.
But the problem is you already have people who don't have confidence in it.
So, I think in order to restore confidence, you need to give people the investigations, you need to say, look, when you're subpoenaed, here's the data, and just go through the motions.
Because this country is horribly, horribly divided.
But I gotta say, in this story, uh, you know, as you probably guys, uh, you know from the intros that Seamus tried doing.
seamus coughlin
That I did do until you stole it from me.
They're still watching him cast!
tim pool
Will's a lawyer, and you brought up some statements from the judge.
I don't know if you wanted to read them.
will chamberlain
Yeah, let me pull up the tweets.
I did tweet them out.
tim pool
Yeah, I pulled it up.
will chamberlain
So this is portions of the ruling on the motion to dismiss.
It's like a 35-page ruling.
But this is making fun of one of the experts that Powell and Lindell were relying on in their lawsuit to explain why they were justified in bringing this, that they were being authentic, etc.
They said that this expert has, quote, been ordered to pay more than $25,000 after finding that the expert violated consumer protection laws by misspending money she raised.
And then the judge goes on to say, quote, that expert has also publicly claimed that George Soros, President George H. W. Bush's father, the Muslim Brotherhood, and leftists helped form the Deep State in Nazi Germany in the 1930s, which would have been a remarkable feat for Soros, who was born in 1930.
Look, it may seem like, oh, that's like, whatever, a cute joke.
Federal judges don't tell jokes in their opinions, and if they're telling jokes that you are
the butt of, that's like terrible.
That's not good.
There's another instance where, let's see if I can find the next particular nasty quotation.
tim pool
But isn't it bad for a judge to be joking in this way and making, you know what I mean?
will chamberlain
It's weird, but it's also kind of the nature of the arguments that he would inevitably
be saying some things that are kind of ridiculous.
So basically, a defamation claim, you have to prove actual malice.
That's one of the things you have to prove under New York Times v. Sullivan, that someone either knowingly lied or showed a reckless disregard for the truth.
I think we're actually all pretty familiar with that now because defamation comes up a lot in modern internet culture.
So in order, one of the ways that Dominion is alleging actual malice on the part of Powell and Lindell is they're saying no reasonable person could believe these things.
So assuming they are reasonable, they're clearly reckless in making these statements.
Like their statements are so outlandish that you have to be reckless to make them.
tim pool
I do take issue with that though.
I mean, sometimes crazy things turn out to be true.
You know what I mean?
That's why my attitude on this is like, look, if somebody comes out and they're like, I'm going to spend millions of dollars on a cyber symposium and hire all those people and offer up $5 million.
I'm like, all right.
I mean, if he loses $5 million, well, then he put up $5 million and he lost it.
will chamberlain
You know, but, like, here's the point from Dominion.
I mean, obviously it shouldn't be criminal, right?
Like, you know, this is a free country.
But we still have defamation laws in this country.
unidentified
Oh, no, right, right, right.
tim pool
For defamation, I understand that.
I'm just saying in terms of, like, the general environment when it comes to, you know, the media's approach or the judge saying no reasonable person could believe these things, I think the judge should be, like, Present your evidence.
Now here's the problem.
Mike Lindell had an opportunity with this lawsuit to present evidence proving that his statements were in fact true.
Therefore, it was not defamation.
Instead, tried to get it dismissed.
will chamberlain
Well, I mean, I think he did also—one of his own arguments was also that what I said was true, and he now will get that opportunity.
Like, we're going to Discovery.
Like, he'll be deposed, and there'll be immense amounts of Discovery on both sides, right?
Certainly Lindell will be able to go to Dominion and try and get information out of them that proves Lindell's claims, but Dominion will be able to go Lindell and demand his factual basis and every bit of his facts for saying otherwise.
tim pool
I've read a lot about the allegations, the anomalies, the states.
Admittedly, I think there's some things that should be investigated, absolutely.
There's a video of a woman, and she puts the ballots in multiple times.
But the problem is, that in and of itself isn't enough evidence to prove anything.
But I do think it's like, okay, we'll do an audit.
I think that's fair.
If you've got half the country and half the country pitted against each other to the point where there's violence in the streets, it's like, Let's just calm down and sort this thing through.
And if you're confident that everything was perfect and the most secure, as I think the DHS said, then let's give the people the opportunity to feel confident and secure in this.
will chamberlain
Agreed.
And election integrity should be like Caesar's wife, right?
Beyond reproach.
I mean, in Israel, there are so many different measures.
Like, you are videotaped going into a voting booth.
You put your fingerprint on it.
I mean, there's so many different things that mean that you physically have to show up Absentee ballots are disfavored, etc.
tim pool
Say the line, Ian.
ian crossland
Graphene DMT.
Wait, where are we going?
tim pool
Free the code!
ian crossland
Free the code!
This is exactly what I'm thinking.
Now, this is a little bit different than what we're talking about, the Lindell situation, but the fact that they're tallying votes in private with proprietary software code, I believe, is the scandal.
tim pool
That's, I agree, and that actually lends itself back to the defamation suit, which is really interesting, because Dominion was damaged by this.
Substantially.
I'm telling you right now, I don't care.
In regards to moving forward with our elections, because obviously I care if there was impropriety.
Personally, I think a lot of people are incorrect in their assumptions about what happened, and I think I keep hearing these things like, oh March 3rd, March 5th,
March 11th, oh April 4th, like they keep saying people still believe that Trump is
going to be reinstated.
I'm like, guys, we had Bannon on the show.
Bannon said he believes a lot of the stuff.
I pushed back.
I don't.
I think that we saw the article from Time magazine.
We saw voting in the park.
We saw the Republicans in Pennsylvania violate the Constitution, at least according to a lower court judge, for universal mail-in voting.
You've got California now.
People are pointing out, is it going to allow you to print ballots at home?
I think people need to realize voter integrity is the big issue.
Now, certainly I'm all for investigations, whatever.
But when it comes to Dominion, what I'm seeing, looking to the future, you know, I look forward to seeing whatever it is the experts in the symposium end up with, but, you know, I digress.
In the future, we can't use Dominion.
And it's not even about the allegations.
What Mike Lindell has done is brought to the forefront a very serious issue.
I think Mike Lindell, absolutely, with his claims, and feel free to say the dude's out of his mind, we now have to answer one question.
Why are we using proprietary, unseen software code in our public elections?
I just, I can't accept that.
And if it wasn't for this news cycle, Mike Lindell and the Symposium and all this stuff, we wouldn't even be talking about the fact that we have a company with proprietary code that we can't actually see.
will chamberlain
Right, well, if that's all that was causing Dominion's damages, actually, Lindell and Powell and whoever would be in much better shape because they would be able to say that it's actually truthful claims, right, that would have caused the damages.
The problem here is that what's alleged in the complaint, I mean, and I don't know exactly the extent of what Lindell said, but I don't think that Dominion's lawyers would go out there and falsify quotations from Lindell.
I think they could go into the record and find them.
It's the kind of thing you'd get caught on and really...
slap down for professional ethics.
So, the Clinton, you know.
tim pool
When Mike Lindell released some like hash code data and then the media came out and
said, you know, I think it was CNN, they were like, we had 30 experts or like 15 experts
look at this, who said it was nothing.
The reality is, even before CNN did it, I actually hit up one of my hacker buddies and
asked them what they thought of it and they were like, we don't see anything here.
It's data.
It's not proving anything happened.
And then Mike Lindell came out and said, oh, that's just to show we have the data.
And so for me, it's kind of been really difficult to track now for, what are we going on?
We're going on almost a year.
Of all of the claims and accusations that keep changing, that keep evolving.
I'll admit, I think there are things that were anomalous, that definitely give me pause that we should look into.
But I've just been sitting here waiting, like, with every guest we've had on the show talking about this, and I won't call every single person, but even people like Bannon, I'm just like, please show me something.
Anything.
And it's always like, well, there was an anomaly here, and I'm like, I get that.
But saying, like, a man walked through a dark alley at midnight doesn't prove he robbed the bank, you know what I mean?
will chamberlain
Yeah, there's like a lot of, it feels very like kind of, there's a lot of obfuscating going on.
Like they're trying to like, and then also extrapolate, you know, aggressive extrapolation.
And I mean, I'm speaking as someone who, again, I recorded the video of the poll watcher being kicked out of Philadelphia, of a polling station in Philadelphia that went viral on election day.
Like, I mean, you're not talking to a person who thinks these elections are pristine or that there's some, there aren't some serious problems.
But the stuff that they've been saying, I mean, I remember, you know, when Sidney Powell originally alleged stuff like Venezuela and Russia cooperated to rig our election.
tim pool
Remember the German servers and the shootout with the CIA in Germany or whatever?
It's just like, come on, man.
ian crossland
I didn't even remember any of that.
Yeah, can you lay out some of the specific claims they've made that seem,
will chamberlain
I mean, I don't wanna like, I don't have it in front of me, so I have to remember it,
but there was a press conference where it was, and it was like a Trump campaign press conference
with Giuliani, Jen Ellis, and Sidney Powell, I think, and maybe one or two other people,
but I know Sidney, those three spoke, and Sidney was the one who just out of nowhere
started making allegations about the foreign actors colluding to like rig the election.
And I remember thinking at the time, And I was like, wow, that's an aggressive claim.
I wonder what she's got to back that up.
And it turned out we haven't seen anything substantive to back that up.
tim pool
There's weird business connections, weird international individuals and business people and all that stuff.
But the challenge is, and I think this is important for any for the people who genuinely believe all of these claims and think Trump is going to be reinstated.
You go to a regular person who doesn't pay attention to the news and you tell them these things and they're going to walk out the door in two seconds.
will chamberlain
Well, and also this reinstatement thing.
I mean, the reinstatement claim, like, even if everything Powell and Trump and Lindell are saying is true, that doesn't lead to Trump being reinstated.
ian crossland
Right.
will chamberlain
Because there's a process.
The only way, you know, to remove a president, in turn you have to impeach him.
The vice president takes power.
Are you going to then impeach the vice president?
I guess their plan is to have Trump run for house and then hopefully make him speaker of the house and then somehow get him in the line of succession.
tim pool
But not on August 15th.
will chamberlain
For the future, you know, dominoes of impeachment to fall.
But like, yeah, that's, that's, you know, a year and a half from now.
He's, you know, do we need, is there going to be a congressman who dies and then Trump is appointed as like a special election?
Then he becomes speaker even though we don't have a majority in the house?
tim pool
Check this out, check this out.
We got another story I want to jump to.
Sure.
Nearly a third of Republicans still believe Trump will be reinstated this year in poll released two days before Conspiracy theorists predicted it would happen.
Yeah, I can I can hear your reaction.
I They believe that I think in and what by in four days was it the 15th?
unidentified
No, no.
Okay.
tim pool
I'll say I guess that it's the 13th I don't know when they think Trump is gonna be brought back.
But why I'll put it this way man.
I All of these claims require tremendous leaps of faith about what's happening with the government.
And even if you believed everything, all the impropriety and all the accusations and all the conspiracies, you would have to then believe that there is an element of the government that is going to remove the current administration to allow a path for Trump to come back in and be reinstated somehow.
And I'm just thinking like, To get from point A to where everyone is at with this reinstatement thing, it's like going from A to Z. Like, you gotta go A, B, C, D, you gotta go each and every step.
And that is such a tremendous leap, I just don't understand how people can believe that's gonna happen.
will chamberlain
I mean, it's scary.
And I think the people who are promulgating that are really either completely out of their depth, Right?
And that's the most generous interpretation of it.
The other one is really malicious, where it's just like they're grifting, right?
They're lying to persuade people to continue to give them money.
tim pool
I'll tell you this, is it possible that Donald Trump is reinstated as president?
Oh, it's physically possible.
Yes, absolutely.
It's in the realm of this existence.
It's not like I'm saying he's going to grow wings and fly to the moon or anything like that, but it's just like, I would rather buy a lottery ticket.
You know, like the likelihood is just astronomical.
I, I, I'm a bit, I suppose the right word would be flabbergasted by people who would be willing to believe something so Tremendous could and would occur because the amount of things that would have to happen for that process to play out is astronomical.
Astronomical.
will chamberlain
Yeah, you could prove that he cheated.
You could prove that Biden knowingly cheated, right?
And the thing is, like, it would be like the Democrats thinking that they could prove... You're saying hypothetically.
Hypothetically, right?
Yes.
tim pool
Because otherwise it sounds like you're saying... No, no, no, no, no.
will chamberlain
I am saying the hypothetical world, you know, the hypothetical world where even this, that Biden would be impeached over this stuff is a hypothetical world Biden literally knew about everything.
I mean, it's a preposterous notion.
Again, I do not believe that.
It's hypothetical.
But even if you got there, like, it would be equivalent to Democrats in 2016 saying, well, if we prove Trump won the election, like, colluded with Russia to win the election, then Hillary will be president, right?
And you'd be like, no.
tim pool
Exactly, dude.
You know what blew my mind?
Because I was watching the symposium and they play this video.
Because I'm not somebody who's going to be like, I won't watch that.
No, I watched a lot of it.
I obviously can't watch all because I'm working.
But they claim that NASA's involved with elements in China and the deep state and stuff.
And I'm like, OK, OK, slow down there.
You cannot open your presentation by telling regular people who don't know what's going on that NASA is involved in some kind of plot because you lose people, man.
I'm sorry.
It's out there.
will chamberlain
Did they mean the NSA?
I'm trying to figure out a way to interpret that generously.
Interesting.
NASA, the poorly-funded organization that literally had to give up the space shuttle because they didn't have enough cash.
tim pool
Don't you understand, Will, that behind the scenes—that's a front!
Everybody knows that NASA's actually the Illuminati.
will chamberlain
Right, well, they decided to actually stop going to space and start, like, secretly plotting coups against the elected government.
seamus coughlin
I should mention, I was curious about this number that you brought up, that a third of Republicans believe that Trump will be reinstated this year, so I just went and took a look at the data that they pulled this from.
So the question they asked was, how likely do you think it is that former President Donald Trump will be reinstated as U.S.
President this year, if at all?
And out of 2,000 people surveyed, I think the percentage was 10% saying very likely, 9% saying somewhat likely, and then 13% saying not very likely, then not very likely at all, or don't know, or no opinion.
tim pool
So it's not that a third believe he will be, it's that a total of a third lean towards maybe.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, or that it's possible.
Yeah, because not very likely doesn't sound like that person is saying, I think Trump is going to be reinstated within this year.
tim pool
So people think 10% says very likely, and then what's the next percentage?
seamus coughlin
Let me pull this back up.
I just lost this, my apologies.
will chamberlain
10% of Republicans or 10% of the public?
seamus coughlin
Oh yeah, actually, let me double check.
It looks as if the survey is only surveying Republicans, but let me take a moment to double check.
tim pool
And I'll clarify this too, because this was a garbage headline from Daily Mail.
They go on to say 29% of Republicans believe Trump could be reinstated.
Now, actually, that's actually, that's correct.
Trump could be reinstated.
will chamberlain
In the abstract, following the sort of path I laid out where he becomes a Speaker of the House.
ian crossland
Reinstate isn't the right word.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
Could Trump be reinstated?
ian crossland
No.
Well, no, no, no.
will chamberlain
It is physically possible.
tim pool
In this world, for a Rube Goldberg-like political operation to occur in which Trump becomes speaker because Nancy Pelosi steps down, and then there's a snap emergency election where they're like, we're gonna vote for Trump, and for some reason, progressives protest and say, we'll vote for Trump too.
It will never happen.
But the point I'm making is that It might be a .0000000001 chance it could happen, right?
So it's depending on how you play the semantics of the question.
ian crossland
I was saying that it wouldn't be a reinstatement in that case.
It would be like he would be the Speaker of the House that then is elevated.
will chamberlain
Yeah, he succeeded to the presidency.
ian crossland
A succession.
Would he be then succeeded again?
Succeeded.
But I just want...
Yeah, I got it.
tim pool
I want everybody listening to just imagine something right now.
Okay, just imagine this.
First, I want to say I do not believe, I genuinely mean this, I have looked at a lot of the anomalies and a lot of the data.
I believe there should be an investigation.
I believe there should be audits.
I think we need that to build confidence back for the American people and to help kind of resolve this extreme divide.
But I want you to imagine something.
It's August 14th.
The Cyber Symposium has ended.
At the very end of the symposium, Mike Lindell stands up, without saying a word, and presses enter on a keyboard, and documents appear on the screen, and all the journalists in attendance are like, I can't believe it!
I work for the New York Times, and even I must admit, it's true!
And then they write fervently, like, wow, Mike Lindell, oh, he's correct, and then all these things.
And then, all of a sudden, Biden is, like, seen in a plane, and he's flying to China, and Kamala Harris is, like, crossing the border to Canada, and they're like, what do we do?
And then the Secret Service picks up Trump, and they drive him to the White House.
That's not gonna happen.
ian crossland
No.
No, it's not gonna happen.
will chamberlain
No, it's not.
It's not ever gonna happen.
ian crossland
It sounds like Dominion.
tim pool
It'd be a cool movie.
It'd be a really cool movie.
ian crossland
Yeah, it would be a great movie.
Different, we have to change the names.
seamus coughlin
It seems like... No one would know who it was about.
ian crossland
Right, yeah.
It'd be secret.
tim pool
I don't, I don't like Joe Biden.
Okay.
Gas prices are going up.
Joe Biden comes out and says he issues a warning on gas prices.
It's his fault.
Gas prices are going up and the media is covering for him saying it's not his fault.
I just want to make sure everybody understands.
I don't like that guy.
Okay.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
Did we talk about today how he decided his administration requested that OPEC release more oil?
Like we have oil in this country.
We had a pipeline that was going to be built that was under construction with lots of jobs already on the line.
tim pool
We'll get into that in a second.
seamus coughlin
Who shut that down?
unidentified
I don't know.
will chamberlain
Probably the same guy who rigged the Dominion machines.
ian crossland
It seems like Dominion's getting out ahead on this one because they know, I can't say for sure, but the fact that they did stuff in secret.
It's a Canadian corporation.
Is it Canadian?
It's a Canadian.
From what I've learned, it's Canadian.
And they don't want to get busted.
They don't want to get attacked for it, so they're going on the offensive.
That's what it sounds like.
Does that make any sense to you?
will chamberlain
Oh, I mean, I don't think that's it at all.
I think it's as simple as their billion-dollar business is decimated by what a lot of people said about them.
Because, think about it from the perspective of, if you're offering election machines, you need to have a completely unbesmirched reputation.
Otherwise, no one can hire you.
seamus coughlin
That's a good point.
will chamberlain
Even if other people are saying things about your machines that are false, if half the country believes them, Then your business is dead.
Which means that what, you know, all the things that were said about Dominion crushed their business in a way that caused them hundreds of, likely hundreds of millions of dollars in damages.
tim pool
I'll tell you this, first and foremost, I said we gotta have open source.
Either they free the code, like Ian often says, this is the one area where I agree, because we need to be able to see what those machines do.
Like, flat out.
My friend told me a story, I think, uh, my friend told me a story about some guy who got a speeding ticket from a radar gun.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
And when he went to court, They said, you know, we've got the evidence that shows you were speeding, and then he requested the court subpoena the source code for the radar gun.
And he said to the judge, for all we know, it's a random number generator.
And the judge agreed.
The people who make the radar gun need to prove that their gun works this way and how, and show the code to the defense so the defense can understand the evidence presented against them.
I think that if we're gonna have elections, we gotta have the ability to look at the code.
That being said, Based on everything that's happened, the accusations made against Dominion, I think Dominion should be purged from every single voting system, every county, just for one reason.
Half the people in this country are skeptical, are concerned, are scared, have lost confidence.
Now that is in line with defamation.
That's bad for Dominion across the board.
I'm looking at it this way.
I want America to get better.
I want people to come together.
I want to get back to having policy arguments, not tribalist arguments.
And that means there's gotta be compromise.
And if you've got the Trump supporters saying, we do not trust this company, then we say, we'll hire a different company.
We'll make the source code open source, or we'll make it open source.
will chamberlain
I totally agree, right?
Elections, people need to have public faith in elections, and no one company's fate or business success comes up over that.
At the same time, if that company was lied about, In a way that caused them this damage and made it so nobody could use them for an election rigging machine.
Then they have a legit defamation claim against the people who lied about them.
tim pool
Look, Michael Lindell's not a poor guy.
And I think they're suing for like a billion dollars.
But they're squeezing blood out of a turnip.
You know what I mean?
will chamberlain
Like, they might get something, but... I mean, they're also going after all the news companies too, right?
They're suing Fox News, Newsmax, OAN.
I mean, there's... Fox has... I mean, that's where I think they're thinking the big money is, but...
You know, they're going to go after everybody.
tim pool
You know what's crazy is, first off, I'm going to say this too, I don't like Dominion voting systems.
I'm learning about proprietary code in our public elections.
I am not a fan of that.
That's bad.
As a company, I don't know.
I will say that they're both based in Canada and Colorado, so I don't know if you can call them just a Canadian company or whatever.
I don't know, man.
ian crossland
No, you have to free the software code.
Because you don't know that it's doing anything nefarious, but they could have secret backdoor things that say, if this vote tallies this, then flip to this.
I mean, and you just don't know.
That's the problem.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
It's not even about saying that we believe there's a grand conspiracy and this company's involved.
It's about saying, we want to make sure your code works properly and that in matters of public election, we can see how... We need transparency in government, is a good way to put it.
I recognize there's confidential, there's secret, there's top secret and stuff.
We get it.
There's classified information.
But when it comes to our elections, we should be able to look at the code and be like, oh yeah, I get it.
will chamberlain
Yeah, we don't need classified information about how our elections work.
tim pool
Exactly.
will chamberlain
That's actually completely antithetical to what elections are designed to do, which is make people... The entire point of having elections is to make the losing side agree that they lost.
tim pool
Right.
will chamberlain
Yeah, that's very true.
That's a good point.
That's so that we have peaceful transitions of power, right?
tim pool
And the problem I have right now with everything that's going on with, like, Arizona and Wisconsin and stuff is that, you know, they're issuing subpoenas in Arizona and they're actually getting pushback.
It's like, just hand it over.
Like, look, I get it.
They're arguing it's a waste of time or whatever.
It's a violation of security.
And I'm like, dude, you need to convince people that you're claiming lost that they lost.
You should, with a smile on your face, be like, here's the data, man.
Have at it.
Have a good day.
will chamberlain
Yeah, or we change the way our elections are run.
It should be to a point where it's stupid to even consider that the elections are fraudulent.
If you were in Israel and you were like, oh, that election was rigged, every Israeli would just laugh at you and be like, it's just not possible.
The measures we have in place for election integrity, what you have to do to be able to vote, what you have to do to verify that vote, the custody of the ballots, it's so... But you mean that literally, like Israel's system is super secure?
Israel's system is super secure, right?
They don't use electronic machines, right?
We don't need to use them.
That said, not using them will be bad for all these companies' businesses, but we don't need to use them.
tim pool
That's one of the things one of the guys at the symposium said.
We gotta vote Amish.
No electricity.
ian crossland
I don't necessarily agree with that either because if you hand someone a stack of papers and then you trust them to go count it, they don't have to.
They can count it any way they want.
seamus coughlin
I would imagine a number of different people verifying that they counted it properly.
But I agree, right, that there's an advantage to the computer technology where you can have all of the data stored perpetually for everyone to look at whenever they want.
ian crossland
In public on a blockchain?
Or just for you to verify with like a QR code that only your account can scan and read to verify that your vote is being tallied as you set it.
And then it's kind of up to you to verify your own vote.
But at least there's a public available database where you can do that.
tim pool
Let's talk about Joe Biden.
seamus coughlin
Joe Biden's husband, Joe Biden.
tim pool
Joe Biden is not a good president.
seamus coughlin
What?
Come on.
ian crossland
Hold on.
seamus coughlin
I will not have that talk on ShimCast IRL.
Joe Biden's the greatest president we've ever had.
ian crossland
I got a serious question for you, Seamus.
Who was the last great president?
seamus coughlin
Oh, man, you can't ask me something like that.
Here's the thing.
Oh, Jimmy Carter, man.
Oh, come on, bro.
What are you doing?
Shim cast?
IRL?
will chamberlain
I mean, look, I just... Andrew Johnson is the next one we're going for?
seamus coughlin
I think I've said this before.
I definitely think Trump is the best president of my lifetime in terms of the last great president.
That's a really tough question.
ian crossland
I don't know.
unidentified
I don't know.
will chamberlain
Eisenhower was pretty damn good.
ian crossland
Yeah.
will chamberlain
I like Eisenhower a lot.
ian crossland
I like that guy.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
ian crossland
I trusted him.
tim pool
He's the one who came out and was like, the military industrial complex can destroy the country.
Yeah, that's right.
seamus coughlin
Trump said the same thing.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, let's talk about Mr. Joe Biden.
So earlier today, I did a segment, and it was probably one of the easiest segments I've ever done because I was just so grossly offended by the media.
Joe Biden came out.
I'm sorry.
The Biden administration saying alarm bells, the rising gas prices, energy prices are going to stifle the recovery and OPEC.
They need to start producing more supply so that we have cheaper gas prices.
And I said, hey, wait a minute.
Joe, that's your fault.
It is your fault gas prices are going up.
But what does the media say?
GOP pounces on claims that Joe Biden caused the prices to go up.
And then I see every fact check after fact check after fact check saying false, false, false, false, false, Republicans are lying, Republicans are lying.
And then I was like, oh boy.
First and foremost, The framing of all these fact checks was, Joe Biden shutting down Keystone XL and banning fracking on public land did not cause prices to go up.
Is that what Republicans said?
I'm not a fan of most of these guys, but one of the things I think it was Grassley who said, inflation by bad policy is causing all prices to go up, of which one of the core basic necessities for an average person is gas.
And inflation means that gas will go up as well.
Now you can argue, oh, now you're arguing semantics and just trying to save face.
Oh, it goes deeper than that.
I'm looking at all these fact checks.
My favorite is when USA Today says gas is going up not because of Biden's policies, but because of a lack of supply.
Demand is here, but supply is short.
seamus coughlin
I wonder why there's a lack of supply.
tim pool
Then you get quarts saying there is no shortage of gasoline in this country.
Because they're writing about different things.
And I'm like, okay, now we're getting the semantics of what it means that there's a short supply or a shortage.
Low supply doesn't mean shortage, because low supply means it's available, but shortage means, no, okay, they're the same thing.
So you can't have the news coming out screaming, there is no shortage of gas, while they're saying prices are going up because there's a shortage of gas at the same time.
This is what the media does, and it's ridiculous.
I'll tell you this, Joe Biden is the cause of the high gas prices for, I think, what, one, two, three reasons.
First, Keystone Pipeline shutting it down.
That pipeline was not going to be transporting crude anytime soon, but the banning of fracking on federal land, on public lands, and Keystone caused speculators to publicly state that they felt this would result in a low supply in the future and high prices.
So they were buying now, driving prices up, which reaches the gas pump for you, the consumer.
Then you have inflation.
Joe Biden printing this unemployment bonus and the eviction moratorium is causing prices across the board to go up, including your gas.
And third, the labor shortage.
Because people are getting paid and they don't have to work, they're choosing not to work, and there's a shortage of truck drivers.
Gas isn't making the stations.
Gas is going up.
All of that is Joe Biden's fault, and I am sick of the media playing defense because they're too stupid.
Either they're too stupid to look at the big picture, or they're just covering for a garbage administration.
will chamberlain
Tell us how you really feel today.
tim pool
It is so insanely obvious to anybody who just reads the news all day that Joe Biden is screwing up the economy in so many different ways.
We had this jobs report come out and there were like 954,000 jobs.
It's above what we predicted.
This is great.
Everyone's clapping.
Except job openings went up as well to record levels.
10.1 million at the same time.
The projected consumer price index was going to be 5.3 for the year.
It's 5.4.
It's higher than they thought.
ian crossland
What's that?
tim pool
It's inflation.
It's the cost of goods going up from this month to last year.
It has gone up.
Now you've got Shake Shack announcing they're increasing the price of their burgers.
Tyson says their meat's gonna be more expensive.
Pork is up, I think, 39%.
Gas is up something like 30 or so percent.
All of this is because Biden is doing a miserable and pathetic job across the board.
Speculators are driving it up because he banned these things.
Then he gives Russia the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.
This dude is hurting America.
He is hurting the working class.
And the most frustrating thing is when you try to talk to these young populist leftist types, they don't understand how the economy works.
So they side with democratic establishment shills.
will chamberlain
I mean, yeah, you're exactly right.
There's also the extended unemployment, which has driven up, I mean, driven up the cost of labor substantially, which is, I guess, not inherently a bad thing.
I think, you know, workers should get paid more generally, but I'd like to do it in a way that doesn't require us to pay people who can go work or should be able to go work and pay them, like, We're still paying extended unemployment benefits in a world where there's like a million job openings.
tim pool
Yes, exactly.
10.1 million job openings and not enough workers in the market to fill those jobs.
And look, I posted a video.
This is actually, I think, the biggest video I've ever posted to Instagram because I don't really care about Instagram all that much.
I just post fun stuff.
We were shopping, and we were going to the dairy section, looking at the milk.
And I saw this little thing, this little star on the fridge, and it said, $500 hiring bonus.
And I was like, that's a weird place to put the hiring, on the milk section?
And then I look, and there's another one, another one, another one, another one.
Every 10 feet was saying, $500 hiring bonus.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Now we've seen those signs, and we've talked about them before.
We have seen the fast food restaurant saying, we'll give you a pay-you-a-bonus, 1,000 bucks, come, open interviews.
It's getting worse.
The last week or like two weeks ago, I went grocery shopping.
We did not see these bonuses.
The grocery store had employees and it's gotten so bad in the past couple of weeks.
Now, even my local grocery store is saying we're like, we're basically desperate.
ian crossland
Two questions.
Did you plant those signs before you got the video?
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
Okay.
I didn't think so.
tim pool
But it's got like 130 or so thousand views on Instagram.
And it was just me shopping like, look at this.
And it's got like 1,300 comments.
People are recognizing this stuff in their areas.
And the craziest thing to me, you know what blows my mind?
Democrats believe the economy is fairly good.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I mean, this is something you, I mean, well, this is because they live in the cities where it's like, there was already a high minimum wage in a lot of elite cities, so the different, effectively what the extended unemployment did is it creates its own very high minimum wage.
seamus coughlin
Exactly, it resets the market equilibrium.
will chamberlain
Right, because it's like the opportunity cost of going to work or not going to work, right?
And so in a place with a high minimum wage already, it's not actually going to change the labor market that much.
In a place that's in the rural area, where people were getting paid close to actual minimum wage, things are dramatically different.
Like, I was driving down to North Carolina.
We stopped right outside of Richmond.
We were like, oh, let's go to a Waffle House.
We walked in.
First thing you see is a little, like, display, kind of like, you know, those science projects?
tim pool
I saw that, yeah.
will chamberlain
Right?
Like, those science, you know, the third, fourth grade science project, little panels.
They're being like, come work here, it's so wonderful.
Walk in, they're like, sorry, to-go only, because no staff.
tim pool
Yeah.
will chamberlain
Then I go across the street to the Fuddruckers.
You can see on the sign there it says, we're only open 12 to 8 because of staffing issues.
tim pool
Yep.
will chamberlain
Like every, if you're in rural America, any restaurant, it's like staffing issues galore.
tim pool
And it's getting worse.
It's getting a lot worse.
So we have a local diner and we went there, only one section was open and it said they were closing early.
Like I think they were closing at like 6pm or something.
I posted about this, I can't remember the exact time they were closing, but closing early and I was like, Whoa, this is a diner!
Like, diners, aren't they supposed to be open 24-7?
You come in for breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
And then we went in, and they were short-staffed.
And they were like, we're desperately trying to hire cooks.
Somebody superchatted us the other day saying that at their IHOP, they had to ship in a cook from a different store because the IHOP would have had to have closed because it had no staff.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
Look, I just want to interject here.
By the way, I think you hit the nail on the head perfectly when you said that.
It's insane to be giving people massive unemployment benefits when there's such a surplus of jobs that people aren't taking.
It completely defeats the purpose.
But also, given what you've just said, it becomes clear to anyone who didn't already recognize this that our framing is totally off here because the way it's stated is X new jobs were created this month.
But these aren't new jobs, so to speak.
I mean, they are, but they came in and shut down the entire economy, and now some of the jobs that we used to have are being reinstated.
Though you can't even quite say that they're being reinstated, because a lot of the small businesses that were shut down are never going to reopen, and now these services are being provided for by larger companies.
But when we get these job numbers, I mean, this is getting the economy back to quote-unquote normal.
This isn't improving our condition overall.
will chamberlain
Yeah, and it's just, I mean, it's incredibly sad.
It's going to change the way, I mean, what it's going to do to restaurants in this country, especially in areas that aren't wealthy, it's going to change it to like Sweden.
Like in Sweden and Scandinavia with socialism, people don't go to restaurants very often because they're absurdly expensive.
And I think that's ultimately where we're going.
We're just going to get to a point where normal working class people can't go to restaurants or just only do it
extremely rarely.
tim pool
I'll push back a little bit.
The Scandinavian countries aren't socialist.
They're just welfare states.
Yeah. And I think the reason the prices are really high is because they're like cold, you know, maybe.
will chamberlain
But I mean, there are other European countries where you can go to restaurants.
It's true. It's very common.
tim pool
It's true, it's true.
So I've been to Sweden, Norway, and Denmark a couple different times each, and the prices are insane.
For whatever reason.
Now here's what's fascinating, because I'll agree with you on this point, when I was in Bergen, Norway, We were, I was walking down this like, you know, I can't remember where it was.
It was like a boulevard, a market street kind of boulevard.
And there was a street vendor with a styrofoam plate and fried fish fillets and french fries.
Fish and chips.
And I was like, street food!
You can always count on street food wherever you go.
Yeah, you gotta enjoy that, right?
Walk up to the guy and I'm like, alright, let's do some fish and chips.
He scoops it up, puts it on the styrofoam plate and says, $50.
seamus coughlin
Where?
tim pool
Bergen, Norway.
50 bucks.
50 US dollars?
50 US dollars.
seamus coughlin
It's like even a hipster boutique would be ashamed.
tim pool
He did not say, that'll be 50 bucks, sir.
He was like, you know, whatever, crowns or whatever.
And then I looked it up and I was like, that's got to be a mistake.
And I showed him and he was like, yeah.
And so I was talking to someone who was in Norway and they were like, oh yeah, that's normal for us.
Like going out to eat is like a special thing.
And I was like, what?
ian crossland
I was watching an interview, Putin was talking to a bunch of students like six years ago and they were like, what should we do, premier?
And he was like, learn to cook.
And they all laughed.
They're like, no, really, what should we learn to do?
What should we do?
He's like, learn to cook.
Yeah, dude.
And it was like shockwaves.
Now I'm feeling the shockwaves of what he was saying.
tim pool
We talked about this a lot with Michaela Peterson the other day.
People do not eat properly.
They eat trash.
seamus coughlin
That's true.
tim pool
And it really does.
It's a bad effect from the ground up.
Garbage in, garbage out.
ian crossland
Fast food.
Disgusting phrase.
Food is not supposed to be fast.
It's medicine.
tim pool
So here's where I'm at with this collapse we're witnessing, this slow-motion collapse, is fast food tastes good?
I don't like it, you know what I mean?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, sure.
tim pool
But just because I don't like it doesn't mean that we should have some authority come in and just sledgehammer the industries and the things that people like.
This is Michael Bloomberg's ideology.
Do you remember when Michael Bloomberg said, tax the poor?
I'm not exaggerating.
He literally said that.
seamus coughlin
What?
tim pool
He said they're too... Michael Bloomberg said that poor people are, are, are... And Michael Bloomberg said, too stupid.
And Michael Bloomberg said, I'm doing this on purpose.
Michael Bloomberg.
ian crossland
He didn't say that.
What?
I shouldn't have even interjected.
I'm doing this on purpose.
He didn't say that part.
tim pool
No, I'm saying his name several times.
Michael Bloomberg said that poor people, according to Bloomberg, are too stupid, and according to Bloomberg, the government needs to spend money, according to Bloomberg, for them because they wouldn't know what to buy properly and they would buy bad things and hurt themselves.
ian crossland
That's an indicative mentality of this elite.
I don't like saying elite because I don't think they're doing a very good job.
So they're obviously low level, but they're up, they've got these positions of power and they really think people are like cattle.
They think that they can't do things for themselves and they can't think for themselves.
So they build these institutions to take care of them.
Maybe they're right.
Maybe there's something to the wild human stupidity and we have to corral them and, but I don't know.
seamus coughlin
No, you're right.
I mean, generally speaking, that is the progressive perspective.
So when you hear these lefties come out and say things like, well, we need a single-payer system because people can't just choose their health care in the private market.
Now, first of all, our health care system has many issues.
I think that there's a lot of reform that has to take place in order to straighten it out.
But the argument that the best possible solution for people is for their money to be funneled through the state so the government can make that decision for them is exactly embodied in what Bloomberg said.
So even though he said the quiet part loud, I don't think it's all that uncommon an attitude.
tim pool
I'm trying to find something from this video I watched recently, but I can't find the graph he used.
will chamberlain
The funny thing is they're the biggest idiots themselves.
They simultaneously believe that, for example, it's conservative Trump voters who are the biggest anti-vax population.
I haven't seen the evidence of that.
That was Breonna Kalar.
And then they also are thinking, what are we going to do for vaccine outreach?
Oh, I know, we'll have some gender-bending weirdo.
ian crossland
By the way, that guy was ripping off the character from 30 Rock.
Just blatantly ripping that character off.
You know what I'm talking about?
seamus coughlin
Will's point stands, right?
They seem to be marketing towards a left-wing demographic even though their claim is that it's generally Trump supporters who need to be reached.
ian crossland
The CIA was doing that too with their recruitment campaigns.
I don't know.
will chamberlain
They're gonna be like, oh, well, we tried reaching out to Trump supporters.
They didn't buy the gender-bending guy.
I guess we'll just force them to get vaccines.
seamus coughlin
The 20-year-old TikToker who was gender-bending.
It's crazy.
I guess there's nothing we can do.
unidentified
That's funny.
lydia smith
So, Ian, I think you're a little bit right about people not exactly knowing what's right for them.
And it's because people aren't fully responsible.
And I think this is part of what's given the government so much power over us.
ian crossland
And this is why we're facing rising authoritarianism as we become less I think we're also giving humans too much credit.
Like people think they're like above the animal kingdom in a lot of ways.
And it's disturbing because we're just animals that repeat what we're told.
And we believe what we're told.
seamus coughlin
Speak for yourself.
ian crossland
Except Seamus.
tim pool
I disagree.
I think sentience goes a long way.
I mean, we can give credit to dolphins and elephants, I guess.
ian crossland
Of course, and cats and dogs.
I mean, they're all sentient.
tim pool
You have, you have, uh, the humans have great power.
ian crossland
Very intelligent, I'm not denying that, but still animals.
And we need to eat and destroy to consume to live and we make smelly poops and we're disgusting and violent.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I think we've probably argued about this before.
I believe we have free will and so that places us above animals.
I wouldn't consider humans animals.
We're creatures, we're created things, but I wouldn't put us in the animal kingdom.
ian crossland
The free will conversation is fascinating.
I used to think that we have total free will, but now I think we're just kind of captive to our surroundings.
Like, I can't not eat.
I would love to not eat.
seamus coughlin
Well, I don't think you have freedom to defy the laws of nature or physics.
tim pool
What's stopping you from getting up right now and just leaving?
ian crossland
Not much.
tim pool
That's free will.
ian crossland
My concession of reality.
I would never do that because I have a greater goal and a plan that I feel like I'm compelled towards.
tim pool
You have free will.
You could say, that whole plan, I can throw it out the window and just get up and walk out.
But you don't.
It's not because you're being forced to stay here.
You have the free will to choose.
I do want to loop back to what's going on with the economy and not get too far off the rails.
I did have an article I pulled up while we were talking about this.
My friends, I give you the great resignation.
Why millions of people are quitting.
And how employers can earn them back.
This is from Inc.com.
Four million people quit their jobs in April alone.
Money had little to do with it.
And even less to do with earning the right to find the right people for your business.
I want to show you this video.
This is from Trace Dominguez.
I know Trace.
I think he's a cool dude.
He made a video and said, I quit.
You should too.
The great resignation is coming.
I'm not highlighting his video to rag on him in any way.
I think his video is actually very fascinating.
He shows the Microsoft Work Trend Index.
41% of the global workforce are considering a job change in the next year, with 46% planning to make a major career transition.
The reason I show the video is because among him and his friends and his circle and his worldview, he's advocating for people to quit their jobs.
Now that Inc.com said it's not about money, and I'll tell you this, it's not about money.
The reason it's not about money is because unemployment and the eviction moratorium have given people the opportunity to consider things outside of money.
Because of that, It is because of the unemployment, but people aren't looking for work because of money, because they have it.
So when Wendy's says, we'll give you $1,000, like, it's not about the money.
Why?
Because they have money and they don't have to pay rent.
Not everybody, but a lot.
That's why we, for instance, at Timcast, we're slammed with resumes nonstop all day, every day.
And people saying they would work for really low wages and stuff like that, we don't do that.
But we get people saying, like, I want to work here.
Meanwhile, Wendy's, you know, supermarkets, whatever, they don't get that.
And that is only possible because the government is paying people.
Now, this is the Great Reset.
I'm all for if this works out well to the betterment of mankind.
I'm not a fan of the authoritarianism, of destroying someone's job, someone's goals, someone's livelihood, because you think you found a better way.
That's scary to me.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I mean, I simultaneously think that it is in many ways, and it has been, the rational thing to do, to quit a minimum wage job in the world where you're, or if you can manage to finagle it so you're getting unemployment, because unemployment early on was like 1,000 a week, and even now, I mean, when you add up state and the federal booster, it's like 700, 800, and that's free money.
tim pool
It's like 16 bucks an hour.
will chamberlain
Right, so say you had a kid, and they were working a minimum wage job or whatever, they had like a high school diploma, You'd be like, go take, quit, and go do, like, training.
Go do, go do something that you can change your job and make more money.
Right?
Like, that's, that's the rational thing to do in a world where, you know, the reason, the rational thing in the world to do when you're not happy with your current salary or your current job, and somebody's going to pay you a lot of money to not be in that job.
ian crossland
Can you explain this to me, Will, with unemployment?
You pay taxes on unemployment when you receive them.
It's considered an insurance claim.
They call it unemployment insurance.
Are there any other insurance payouts that you have to pay taxes on?
will chamberlain
I mean, you're paying your Social Security, which is nominally an insurance type thing, and also Medicare, Medicaid.
ian crossland
But, like, if you were to get an injury and then they pay you, like, an insurance claim?
will chamberlain
Yeah, there's disability, too.
ian crossland
Do you have to pay tax on that insurance payout?
will chamberlain
I'm not sure exactly what the rules are.
I mean, because, like, I'm an employer.
I think I pay that, right?
ian crossland
I don't know if... I found it very unethical to receive an unemployment check that I've already paid into, then to have to pay taxes on that check.
will chamberlain
I don't know, I don't know the rules.
ian crossland
So those people, it's not necessarily free money, they still have to pay taxes on it, I guess was what made me think about all that.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
tim pool
But they're getting free money.
seamus coughlin
But still, free money's just less.
ian crossland
It's a lot, yeah, yeah.
I hope people realize that or we can see an influx of tax delinquents.
tim pool
Americans got a weight problem.
The CDC says that of the hospitalizations we've seen so far, 30.2% were due to, were people who were obese.
I don't want to say due to, but were obese.
We know that America, and many countries, just people eat too much.
So what's happening now?
We're seeing people don't want to work fast food anymore.
Well, it's only possible because of this unemployment stuff.
If I were to envision a future where there was substantially less fast food, people are more likely to garden, grow their own food, be responsible for their food, and eat healthier.
That's a good thing.
If people were able to and more likely to work on things they were passionate about, I think it's a good thing.
I think it's a waste of energy for people to be working fast food and places like that.
The problem is I don't believe the ends justify the means.
So we can look at this vision of this beautiful future where everyone's eating healthy, they're exercising, everyone's politically active to a certain degree and calm and shaking hands and high-fiving.
Wouldn't that be a great future?
Wouldn't these utopians be great?
These utopias be great?
The problem is, in order to get there, you get some Dysphotic wingnut who says we are going to destroy as many lives as possible to get it
will chamberlain
Yeah, I mean, there's just, I don't think there's the right to just destroy so many people's businesses or to, you know, dramatically change them.
Yeah, of course not.
And especially small businesses.
Like, that's who this hurts.
It's like the eviction moratorium, right?
The end result of the eviction moratorium is not no more landlords, it's no more small landlords, right?
Because you'll be in a world where, oh, it turns out we need to have clout to be landlords, because otherwise the government might just stop us from being able to evict terrible tenants.
So then you have, you just have massive, large, Landloring companies like you do in major cities, Bazuto, Avalon, all those sorts of companies.
ian crossland
Blackrock.
The government's actually subsidizing them right now.
tim pool
This is what scares me the most though is that, the reason why I pulled up this video and that article is that, I think Seamus mentioned, the jobs we're seeing the openings are from people quitting.
Partially true.
A lot of people are quitting.
Some of these jobs are new with companies popping up saying we need to hire people.
But when you combine the fact that people want to quit, people are quitting, and then people are advocating for others to quit, if you think the economy is good right now, you must be watching CNN.
seamus coughlin
I would say it's also extremely dangerous.
I mean, look, we had an economy which had many flaws.
And some would even argue in some ways was a house of cards just based on its foundations with the Federal Reserve banking system.
But that's a whole other topic to get into.
I think the point is, generally speaking, the people who owned businesses, a large number
of them were people who took initiative early on.
They decided that they were going to forego immediate reward and work for years and years
on something that they would not see a financial return on for quite a bit, which is how it
goes for a small business owner.
And many of those people had their businesses shut down.
And now we have an economy that's sort of been rerouted where anyone can quit their
job and without going through the pain and suffering that used to be required to build
a business, be able to do so.
But I don't know that that's going to weed people out the way the system used to so that only the most dedicated people who really believe in their vision are engaging in that.
I think a lot of people who really aren't made to run their own business are just going to end up wasting a lot of time and tax money.
tim pool
Well, I don't know what's gonna happen to those people.
What, are they gonna sit around and just eat food?
You know, just buy things and extract from the system, and then those who want to work are just basically fueling and funding the people who don't work?
That's not sustainable.
No.
I've talked about this for decades now, basically, since I was a kid.
The philosophical consequences of technological advancement.
When you get to the point where you start eliminating jobs due to automation, robotics, et cetera, Those people are gonna lose their jobs, and it's not their fault.
You could spend 20 years as a master of this, you know, I don't know, a lathe or whatever.
Lathe master, whatever those jobs are called.
Cuttin' rocks!
And then one day they're like, we got a robot that can do it faster and better than you, so you're fired.
Where are you gonna go work?
You had a great salary.
Maybe you were making six figures running this plant.
Now they're firing you.
Where are you going to go?
Learn to code?
No, it's not going to happen.
So now we have people who, through no fault of their own, who played by the rules, did everything right, are now in serious trouble.
Suppose you could argue they should have saved better.
Well, not everybody can.
And so we have to ask ourselves, how do we transition To making sure people don't lose access to the economy and resources when we make them obsolete through technological development.
The problem is, there is no point at which we flip the switch on.
It's not like, everybody's got to work right now, and technology advanced, so flip, now no one works.
No.
People will still have to make food.
People will still have to grow food.
Farmers will still have to farm.
People picking crops will still have to pick those crops.
But the people in New York City?
The people who write garbage articles about celebrities?
Oh, they can stop working.
And that's an interesting point you brought up, Will, about how the labor shortage affects the rural areas.
What are people in cities, what are many of them doing?
Like, I look at New York's media landscape and I'm like, these people produce NOTHING.
I get it.
It's attention economy.
It's wasting people's time.
They're reading articles, listicles of pictures of cats.
unidentified
No joke.
tim pool
I mean, they're like, I found 12 pictures of cats and we're gonna say, these cats all look like famous historical figures.
And they get paid to do that.
They have produced NOTHING.
Meanwhile, the people in the rural areas, the people who are farming, the people who are mining, the people in construction, the plumbers, the firefighters, the cops, the contractors, they do hard work constructing and building and making things for society.
That's not getting automated anytime soon.
But those jobs, we have AI writing garbage articles.
Those people get free money, and they're chilling in their cities, and it's not a big deal for them.
Everyone else, they get left holding the stick.
Eventually, people are going to say, hey, wait a minute.
I'm growing all this food, and you're just taking it from me?
That's not going to last very long.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
Well, in something you said sort of touches on something I mentioned earlier, but didn't really get into.
I mentioned our economy kind of being built on a house of cards, and you were talking about savings.
The fact that a lot of people's businesses got shut down, and maybe they could have saved more.
Well, unfortunately, our economy has been structured in a way which disincentivizes saving, and that goes into this mentality of not wanting people to build the necessary virtue of deferring gratification.
Or, I mean, I should really say, in many ways, that's the basis of all virtue.
We have a system where it's not exactly a shock that people are going to be inclined towards becoming takers rather than makers as soon as the opportunity presents itself because we haven't exactly set things up in a way that incentivizes responsibility.
Even if you had saved enough to keep your business afloat, for example, 5% of all of your savings would be gone today from last year without you spending a penny.
tim pool
But Max Keiser, he said he thinks it was like, what, 10 to 14%?
He thinks the government's lying about the number.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Because that would cause Social Security to skyrocket.
seamus coughlin
To skyrocket, exactly.
tim pool
So they're in panic mode.
seamus coughlin
And how would they pay for Social Security?
Probably print more money.
And then the inflation gets worse.
unidentified
I'll tell you.
seamus coughlin
And then they acknowledge the inflation's worse and Social Security goes up.
tim pool
This is what I was saying the other day.
If you give someone $300 for free, and they're like, hey, that buys me groceries for the week.
They'll gladly accept it, and then within a month or two, however long, now they're like, $300?
That covers half my groceries for the week.
Then in a few months, $300?
Wow!
That's a free cheeseburger!
No matter how much the currency inflates, no matter how much the currency is devalued, They'll still accept free money if it gets them something of value.
seamus coughlin
And so I think I've mentioned this on the show before, but even the people with this modern monetary theory fantasy acknowledge that if your economy isn't productive, printing more money is going to lead towards inflation.
So even the people with the most permissive monetary policy imaginable would tell you that we're going to get inflation out of what just happened over the past year, and we're going to continue to get inflation.
will chamberlain
Right.
Yeah, we didn't we didn't get more productive.
Yeah, we were way less productive.
And, you know, maybe that's a price we're willing to pay because, you know, I mean, I think in terms of especially when you're talking about the beginning of the pandemic, a ton of people tossed out of their jobs and effectively having their livelihoods taken from them as a result of government regulations and lockdowns.
OK, yeah, we should compensate them, right?
The way I always viewed that was, the government shutting down your restaurant, that's a taking that you need to be compensated for, right?
But that doesn't mean that that's a continuing thing.
And I think what the Democrats want to do, and it's one of the reasons Biden's so terrible, is they just want to pretend that it's still pandemic world, and we should just open the floodgates and spend another $10 trillion.
seamus coughlin
Well, I think they realize that they could get away with it without people doing much.
tim pool
But we got some news in that front.
You think this is the end?
You think that they're gonna start opening up the states and everything's gonna... No, no, no.
We're going the other direction.
Oregon has announced they're reinstating their mask mandates.
And we have this story from Axios.
Now, I know YouTube is very nitpicky on what you can or can't say about COVID for whatever reason.
They're ban-happy.
If I can't read Axios, I don't know what I can read, so...
New data on coronavirus vaccine effectiveness may be a wake-up call.
A new preprint study that raises concerns about the mRNA vaccine's effectiveness against Delta, particularly Pfizer's, has already grabbed the attention of top Biden administration officials.
The study found the Pfizer vaccine was only 42% effective against infection in July, when the Delta variant was dominant.
Quote, if that's not a wake-up call, I don't know what is, a senior Biden official told Axios.
Driving the news, the study conducted by Enference and the Mayo Clinic compared the effectiveness of the Pfizer-Moderna vaccines in the Mayo Clinic health system over time from January to July.
Overall, it found the Moderna vaccine was 86% effective against infection over the study period, Pfizer's was 76%, Moderna's was 92% against hospitalization, and Pfizer's was 85.
But the vaccine's effectiveness against infection dropped sharply in July, when the Delta variant's prevalence in Minnesota had risen to over 70%.
Moderna was 76% effective against the infection, and Pfizer was only 42% effective.
The study found similar results in other states.
For example, in Florida, the risk of infection in July for people fully vaccinated with Moderna was about 60% lower than for people fully vaccinated with Pfizer.
Although it is yet to be peer-reviewed, the study raises serious questions about both vaccines' long-term effectiveness, particularly Pfizer's.
Quote, based on the data that we have so far, it's a combination of both factors, says Venki Soundararajan, I'm trying to pronounce that right, a lead author of the study.
The Moderna vaccine is likely, very likely, more effective than the Pfizer vaccine in areas where Delta is the dominant strain, and the Pfizer vaccine appears to have a lower durability of effectiveness.
42 percent.
Now, we saw Israel, they made similar claims that a large portion of the people in hospitals were fully vaccinated and the effectiveness is being reduced.
I'm not going to tell you what to do because I don't give medical advice.
You go talk to your doctor about your medical advice.
This is coming from the Biden administration.
We're getting a statement from the Biden administration.
We're getting the Mayo Clinic.
We're getting a study on this.
Where do we go?
What do we do?
They're going to bring lockdowns back, aren't they?
ian crossland
Well, you've got to assume that the virus is going to mutate again.
It mutated into the Delta strain.
And now I saw an article- Lambda.
Lambda, they're expecting.
Epsilon.
Yeah.
And they were like, we'll have to go to the numbers after all the Greek letters are gone.
But let me, it's similar to what the flu does.
It tends to mutate.
That's why they haven't had a virus that stops the thing.
You can just, from season to season, help you reduce infection.
And I think that's what we're seeing here.
Whether or not you want to create a new vaccine for every strain, every time, I don't know.
You know, we kind of got to rely on data for that.
And I see so much of it.
will chamberlain
Well, I mean, I think the thing is we're headed, it's endemic, we're headed towards COVID as something that just is part of our life in the same way that the flu is part of our life, right?
Like, and it's part of something we deal with every year.
I mean, there's a flu shot available, a new flu shot every year, right?
That helps you out against the variants they think are flowing around and reduces The severity.
That's what we're headed towards with COVID.
Now, what does that mean for your behavior?
I think, you know, I'm seeing people like freaking out and lockdowns and masks.
I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, none of that.
Because like that, that's a pandemic measure.
That's a, we're trying to eradicate it.
That's, we're trying to get it completely eliminated.
And so, and we're doing a short-term measure until we get to vaccines and another mechanism.
But now we have vaccines and vaccine technology.
And so I think that's where we need to think we need to push this going, like fight against mandates and lockdowns and instead say, look, we need to embrace the idea that I don't think we should fight nearly as hard against like booster shots as we should against like continued mass mandates and lockdowns.
Right.
Because if it is endemic, then we've got to be like, OK, then this is like then this is finally like the flu.
And we need to, as a society, treat it like the flu, maybe more severe.
tim pool
More severe.
And that's kind of scary, actually.
ian crossland
More communicable, I think, is really the key.
tim pool
Yeah, because I guess the scary thing is if it becomes a seasonal thing.
I mean, you lose your sense of smell.
You lose your taste.
You get fatigued.
You know, that's creepy.
But we got this from NBC News.
Check this out.
FDA poised to okay third vaccine dose for immunocompromised people.
The move would be the first authorization of additional dose in the U.S.
Boosters are coming.
will chamberlain
I mean, really interesting question.
Were there tests on three doses or were there tests on the third dose improving?
Because if Pfizer, as they say, is only 42% at affecting advent infection after two doses, how much does a third improve things?
ian crossland
I don't know, man.
tim pool
It just feels like we did a lot of things that didn't work and they keep just saying, we'll just keep doing the same thing over and over again because they don't know what else to do.
will chamberlain
Right, like they have to do something.
They feel like they can't do nothing.
We blame the authorities, but it also starts with a huge chunk of the population being absolute paranoiacs about it.
seamus coughlin
At a point, you know, I mean, this is just something... Did you guys hear that people continue to blindly trust the authority on this, right?
We talked about this last time.
At first, it was two weeks to slow the spread.
It was, we need to make sure hospitals don't get overwhelmed.
And then it was, we have to make sure there are no new cases.
And then we have to wait for there to be a vaccine.
No, now there is a vaccine, but it's not working.
We have to lock down again.
tim pool
You missed one part of that.
It was first, it was, you know, 15 days of slow to spread.
Then Cuomo killed 15,000 people.
seamus coughlin
Oh, that's right.
tim pool
Then it was, OK, we got to stay locked down a little bit longer.
ian crossland
The 15 days thing was kind of like, they're like, hey, we have a bug bombing service coming to your house.
You need to vacate for two weeks.
We're going to make sure we kill the bugs.
And then you're like, OK.
And you leave your house.
You give it all up.
You wait.
After two weeks, they're like, Yeah, we didn't get all the bugs.
We don't know if it's working right.
tim pool
There's a new bug now.
ian crossland
Different bugs, same chemical, doesn't seem to work exactly right, but we're gonna keep doing it.
I need access to my house, dude.
seamus coughlin
I might steal that and make a cartoon of you.
tim pool
In Germany, they're advising people to get a third shot because a nurse was accused of giving people saline instead of the vaccine.
Yeah, and they said they didn't know why she did it, but that she had posted anti-vax stuff or vaccine skepticism online.
Think about how insane that is in the other direction.
Like, certainly we can talk about mandates and lockdowns being bad, it's extreme, but how extreme is it if someone goes to the doctor, the doctor recommends them medication, they say, thank you, doc, I will agree to this medication, and the nurse goes, I ain't giving them that, and then secretly gives them something else.
ian crossland
That sounds criminal.
I'm sure that is criminal.
will chamberlain
If they die man to right right crime like you need to go to jail for a long time for that
You don't get to you don't get to deceive someone into getting there was actually I remember there was a little
tim pool
just saline It was just saline, which is harmless, but that sounds
criminal and these were elderly people too. Yeah criminal, dude
will chamberlain
I'm sure you inject me with something. I didn't ask for man, and you deceive me into thinking
It was the thing that would protect me from the disease I need protection from and then I go ahead and die from
that disease because I was unprotected Like, manslaughter.
tim pool
All about people just having informed consent and making the choices that's what's right for them to think that this nurse would decide, I don't care what you think, I don't care what you've read, I don't care what the doctor said, that's insane.
will chamberlain
Jail.
Right to jail.
Right away.
seamus coughlin
Did they have any way to track which particular patient she gave saline to?
Are there records?
tim pool
No, I think they were saying it was like several thousand.
Whoa!
Maybe several.
I could be wrong.
ian crossland
Is she incarcerated at the moment?
tim pool
What is the situation?
I think the article is Reuters.
They said they weren't sure if she had been arrested or charged, but...
Wow, dude.
seamus coughlin
Maybe she took a trip to Israel, and that's why the vaccines have been less effective.
tim pool
This is the opposite of informed consent.
And that's what I'm all about.
Like, you go to your doctor, your doctor says, here's the news, you say, you ask him questions, here's a story I saw, what do you think?
And then they're honest with you, they show you the studies, they explain to you in great detail, and you are informed.
If someone was to switch out your medicine for anything, that is not informed consent.
That is them... That's the opposite.
It's just crazy, man.
People are losing it.
I'll put it that way.
lydia smith
I just looked this story up and she injected 8,600 people.
So who knows how responsible she is for possible deaths.
tim pool
That's messed up.
Holy cow.
This is really interesting.
Do you guys follow Bret Weinstein?
seamus coughlin
I've seen a little bit of it.
tim pool
of it. I wouldn't say I've been following it. He tweeted out one of these doctors who
said heads up that the frontline coalition of doctors, whatever, these are the people
who are always talking about ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and stuff like that, said
it's not working. They said that their treatment is not working on people with a Delta variant.
And a bunch of people responded saying like, it never did work.
A lot of studies contradict this, and that's why people were critical of you.
But I think it's really interesting.
Two things.
One, they were saying that this one doctor said they've experienced people with the Delta variant in the ICU, and their standard treatment protocol didn't work.
Interestingly as well, their standard treatment protocol calls for wearing masks.
So even the people who are being censored because they're talking about these other treatments are telling people to wear masks.
That I find interesting.
Who are the people saying not to wear masks when it comes to potential sickness?
You know what I mean?
It's interesting to me.
I don't know.
It's a weird situation.
will chamberlain
I mean, I've said for a long time that I hope one of the things that comes out of all this is that, you know, it is now a social norm that if you're coughing in public, you should be wearing a mask, right?
Like, if you're knowingly sick, like, stay home, and if you are gonna go out, wear a damn mask, and don't try and reduce the amount you spread to everybody else.
tim pool
That's the other crazy thing, too, like, when I see people walk, when I go outside and I see someone with a mask, I'm like, I don't know, whatever.
What if it's in a movie?
I don't think about that stuff people people smack talk me all the time on the net. I don't care. I ignore it
I'm doing my thing, you know, and I think if I see somebody outside wearing a mask, um, you know what if they're sick
ian crossland
good What if it's in a movie? What if the characters in TV shows
and movies start having masks on?
will chamberlain
So I rewatched the big short You guys remember that movie?
One of the characters, Brad Pitt character, it's like the big thing is he's a kind of a weird guy, very eccentric.
And you know, he comes to the airport and he's wearing an N95 and using hand sanitizer.
And it's like, that's the model of his eccentricity.
And now it's like, everyone does that.
Everyone turned into the weird eccentric hypochondriac.
tim pool
This is the interesting thing.
Seeing the, you know, the frontline coalition, you know, whatever, these doctors who have been talking about ivermectin, when they come out and they say like, hey, Delta variant, this stuff's not working, you know, I just, I'm like, there's a vaccine, you know what I mean?
Like, would they, would they support that?
ian crossland
It seems like they're just doing studies on what they've been doing, which is a very intelligent and ethical thing to do as a scientist, as doctor.
So, but if they haven't looked into that other stuff yet, but they're just kind of showing the flaws and, you know, how it's changing the Delta variants different than the other.
tim pool
Yeah, but should they then be like, our new protocol includes getting a vaccine and wearing a mask, or whatever?
Which is funny, because then it goes right back to the CDC and Fauci.
will chamberlain
It was so weird to fight against the vaccines, because you figure, I mean, I remember so many of the same people who were like, oh, this isn't a big deal, and oh, we should head for herd immunity, were then the ones who were the biggest vaccine skeptics, and that was always...
Very strange to me because I felt like the best argument against all the sort of social distancing, public health-type measures was a vaccine that would help protect you so that you could live your life normally.
tim pool
That Trump was responsible for.
will chamberlain
Right, Operation Warp Speed.
seamus coughlin
I also think people had a suspicion that it didn't matter how many people got vaccinated, there was going to be some push to continue the lockdowns.
tim pool
This is the problem I have.
Look, I keep saying, informed consent, I don't give medical advice, go talk to a medical professional, but when story after story after story comes out about some guy being like, oh no, I'm dying, if only I got the vaccine, or that woman in Alabama where she was like, I take their hand and they say, please give me the vaccine.
ian crossland
I say, I'm sorry, it's too late.
tim pool
I'm like, dude, come on, man.
will chamberlain
It's so on the nose.
Do they do stories about morbidly obese people having a heart attack?
seamus coughlin
Never.
will chamberlain
Or like smokers having lung, I mean, I guess they did that with smokers having lung cancer.
yeah but a lot but they certainly don't do it over weight people and obese
unidentified
Yeah.
will chamberlain
people uh... they should well maybe they shouldn't i think again
tim pool
at the very least yeah i think there should there should be what you
want to a great race at us have a great reset people's mental health their
physical health their personal responsibility
will chamberlain
because i watch less cnn so That would be the Iboga plant, if you want to do that.
ian crossland
You ever study that thing?
It's this African psychoactive plant that just destroys addiction.
You take it, you come out of it with no addiction.
It's amazing.
But it's one of the most visceral, grotesque experiences you can have, I've heard.
Other than that, how are you going to great reset people's eating habits?
seamus coughlin
Well, I think just, look, it's, in the words of Frederick Douglass, I believe, it's easier to build strong men than repair broken ones.
I think it more or less comes down to educating the next generation.
I don't think it's a matter of anything else than that.
You try to help build virtue in the population, which is already there, but most of your hope is in educating the young.
ian crossland
My concern is that kids mimic their parents, and if the parent's unwilling to change their diet, the kid may be eating healthy at home because he's forced to, but when they leave the house, they're going to start mimicking what they knew.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I mean it's possible.
tim pool
So you're saying the end is nigh?
ian crossland
I'm saying Iboga is not the end of the world.
No, the end is just beginning.
unidentified
So it's a long time, my friends.
tim pool
You know what, man?
It feels like a slow motion collapse.
How did I describe it before?
Like it's a giant Joe Biden and the building falls down and then he grabs it and he can't hold it up.
unidentified
Oh, no, no, no.
tim pool
I'm sorry.
That's a bad way to put it.
Joe Biden walks up to the building like a Godzilla Joe Biden, punches a hole in the foundation and then starts falling and he catches it and he's slowly easing it down to the ground.
ian crossland
It's a revolution.
I think the Spanish term revolute, is that what it is?
Means to turn forward?
seamus coughlin
To return forward.
ian crossland
It's actually to return forward, which is like a slow falling forward.
Of course, it's then going to circle and spiral and continue.
tim pool
You know, I've had it up to here with people owning things.
seamus coughlin
Me too.
I think if they owned nothing, they'd be happy.
ian crossland
I've been thinking this a lot.
People are like, I own this land.
And then you're like, uh, yeah, like if an alien came down there, like, okay, dude.
And they like smashed the pulpy body up against the wall.
Like, yeah, no, no one owns anything.
You don't even own your body.
What is ownership?
What does that mean?
seamus coughlin
Ian, are you saying that because an alien can steal something from me?
Because an alien can steal something from me.
I don't own it.
will chamberlain
Shamus, take a shirt.
seamus coughlin
This is my lunch money.
If an alien comes down and takes it, it is still my lunch money.
They've just stolen it.
ian crossland
I understand, like, thievery.
Maybe that's why we've created ownership is because of the tendency towards thievery.
tim pool
Ian, like, so much of your arguments are semantic.
ian crossland
Yeah, this is a bit semantic.
tim pool
It seems like at some point you went on a trip where your brain split, like, words from meanings.
ian crossland
That's this whole society.
I'm like the microcosm of what society is experiencing right now.
tim pool
Ownership is just a concept.
It's a human societal concept that something is within your responsibility and your freedom to manipulate.
will chamberlain
It's a legal construct about a human's relationship to property vis-a-vis other humans.
The right to exclude.
You're actually hitting on some very fundamental questions in property law.
seamus coughlin
I'm just saying, my position, honestly, as a Catholic and a moral realist, I do think property is a legitimate, real concept.
I don't just think it's a social construct.
I believe there is a legitimate injustice done when something's stolen from one, and it's not just socially constructed.
will chamberlain
Right, well, kind of one of the ways to think about it is, actually to kind of flip that around a little bit, you know, people will say when they're like looting, oh, looting isn't that bad, it's just property.
It's like, no, property is about someone's relationship to physical things.
And so it actually, you actually are injuring That social construct if you will but like that that that relationship and so you are injuring the person exactly and so That's I think you know if you can you can concede the sort of like social Constructedness of property and still realize that it's actually really it's actually more important.
unidentified
Well.
will chamberlain
It's extremely more you know more important So so Ian your view of ownership is I?
tim pool
Limited in that you only view it from this one perspective.
Ownership isn't about your rights to something, it's about your responsibilities to something.
So you mentioned owning land.
If the aliens came, they'd be like, you don't own this land.
What if the aliens came to Earth and there was one guy who dumped a metric ton of human feces all over this land?
They'd be like, who's responsible for this?
And they'd be like, it's his land, he did it.
Get it?
will chamberlain
You know, here's the funny thing.
Your alien hypothetical, that's actually a hypothetical from the very earliest part of our American property law.
Really?
What?
Not quite the same one, but you'll understand it once I explain it.
So there's a case called Johnson v. McIntosh, and if you're a law student in 1L, it's usually the first property case you go to.
And it's a John Marshall case, right?
I don't know if he was the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, but he was the most important in the early days.
And the basic thesis of the case was there were two guys who had a competing claim to land, and one guy's kind of title, chain of title, ran through Indians who had granted it, and another's chain of title ran through, like, post the Indian conquest and somebody else going there.
And Marshall's like the guy who had it after the Indian, whose chain of title doesn't involve the Indian transfer.
Wins.
Why?
Because we conquered them.
And there's no other good reason why.
That's just it.
We conquered them and that's why.
So it's like when you say the aliens came in and just took over, like, it probably kind of felt like the aliens came in and took over when colonists showed up and disturbed the, you know, the Indian land claims.
tim pool
So when the alien comes here and says you don't own it, then it's true.
The aliens own it.
will chamberlain
Right.
seamus coughlin
By virtue of having guns.
will chamberlain
Right.
It's like property claims are ultimately rooted in sovereignty.
I think, right?
Like, you know, I mean, we have a moral feeling of injustice when our property claims are
violated no matter what, but in terms of, like, how courts are ultimately going to adjudicate
it, they're going to rely on sort of under the existing, under the continuation of whatever
sovereignty exists, and if that sovereignty is disturbed, then guess what?
what that sovereignty is disturbed.
tim pool
Civil society doesn't function without property rights.
Because an individual will work eight hours to secure food for himself and say, I have
a right to this food as I have done the work to procure it.
And then someone will walk up and say, but you don't actually own anything and take it
from them.
And then the person who does the work dies and the person who doesn't work dies too.
ian crossland
How did the Native Americans who didn't own the land do that?
Discuss and like, take care of it?
tim pool
If one Native wanted- Which Native Americans?
ian crossland
Yeah, there's so many tribes.
Well, so different tribes would handle it differently.
Like if one of them decided to take the food, more food than they needed, would they just kill the person?
unidentified
Would they ostracize- would they throw them out of the tribe?
tim pool
You're acting like every single Native American was the same.
It's a general question.
will chamberlain
I got more fascinating anecdotes if you want to know on this one.
seamus coughlin
I would love to hear them.
I actually have a question, though.
tim pool
So you had Aztecs who had buildings and societies, you had Mayans, you had Incans, and then you had the Iroquois or whatever.
Apache, whatever.
Yeah, Apache.
They had completely different legal structures.
ian crossland
Yeah, Native American's a vague term.
tim pool
It would be like, how did Europeans determine what they owned?
It's like, what do you mean Europeans?
Spain and France have different laws.
ian crossland
Well, assuming a tribe that didn't own, they didn't have ownership laws.
tim pool
How does random nomadic tribe handle property law?
I don't know.
ian crossland
That's why I asked the question.
will chamberlain
So, sort of... Who else does know?
I don't know exactly, but they all have different norms.
I mean, because debt is really old.
Like, this is a great book you should read by the recently deceased David Graeber, Debt the First 5,000 Years.
And it talks about how debt pre-existed barter, and that it's a much more natural thing, right?
Because debt presupposes the continuation of a relationship, right?
You owe me.
I have to, in the future, repay you.
Whereas barter is like saying our relationship can end right now because we are equal, and so we can depart.
So it's something that sort of evolved between hostile tribes that occasionally needed to exchange things.
But in terms of your interpersonal relationship with people that are all forever, there was always debt.
And so sometimes that's official and like marked down but other times that's something like they just kind of it's sort of socially understood and you kind of figure it out and who's who you know it's vague and whoever knows but so one really funny example I think I think it's the Easter Islanders don't quote me on that because I don't know but they had a system where it's like it's socially terrible if you have to turn down somebody's request for something from you Like, if somebody makes a request of you, if you can accede to it and give them what they need, you have to, and it's really rude not to.
And the only check on that is that eventually, if you try to exploit the system and request enough from people, they'll just kill you.
Because you're such an asshole and it's exploited it so much, they're finally like, after the 20th request where you try and exploit the system, they kill you.
tim pool
Or just ask right back.
will chamberlain
Right, so that's how one particular tribe handled property rights in their area.
Like, everything belongs to everybody.
But if you're too much of an asshole, we just kill you.
Yeah.
tim pool
But it's, it's, it's, it's a bunch of different tribes and a bunch of different things.
Some groups, like, you know, barbarian hordes or whatever, you can talk about that, and like Asia, they just take whatever they wanted from whoever they wanted and then just exploit it.
ian crossland
It seems like BlackRock is exploiting it right now.
That people that are these big multinational corporations that are being subsidized by governments to buy property away from small business owners and people that can't afford it are exploiting the property ownership and the debt system.
tim pool
Yeah, it's fascism.
ian crossland
So, how are we going to fix that?
How are we going to alter the system so that it can't be exploited?
tim pool
Raise kids with better values?
ian crossland
Definitely.
will chamberlain
Certainly don't do stupid stuff like eviction moratoriums again.
Because to me, eviction moratoriums mean everybody at BlackRockCoin is going to own everything.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
will chamberlain
Because you can't be a small landlord.
That was one of those things that a middle class way of building wealth would be to own a house and own rental properties.
tim pool
You could invest in Juan.
seamus coughlin
at this point. What is won?
will chamberlain
It's interesting because...
Korean currency? Chinese.
Chinese is the...
Is China... Oh, the yuan.
The W-O-N-1.
It's probably named after the empire.
seamus coughlin
Going to your point on the eviction moratoriums, there are so many of these left-wing
economic policies that at a surface level seem
to be good for the poor and working class, but are actually just good for consolidating
power among small corporate entities, sell are large corporate entities but a small number of
people.
Corporate enemies.
So one example, corporate enemies.
unidentified
I like that.
seamus coughlin
Was that a slip?
But one example would be like Walmart.
There were instances of Walmart lobbying for minimum wage increases in certain areas because their competitors could not handle a minimum wage increase, and they could.
So it would put ma and pa shops out of business.
will chamberlain
Right.
tim pool
Yeah, we see, you know, like Starbucks will open a Starbucks next to a mom-and-pop shop and then lower their prices to ridiculous, below-cost numbers because they're subsidized.
The mom-and-pop shop collapses and then, you know, Starbucks takes over.
Takes over the area.
Squeezes them out.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Yeah, it's not good.
We can't function that way.
I don't know how you solve problems like this.
ian crossland
Right, because as soon as you get the government involved in telling a company what it can and can't charge, people freak out and call it fascism or socialism.
tim pool
I'll tell you what one of the problems is.
I think the easiest way to identify one of our biggest political problems is the leftist argument that for every one homeless person there are ten empty homes.
Then they say homelessness is a choice our society makes.
Because these are like, imagine you go to a little kid who's never actually owned a house, repaired a house, remodeled a house, dealt with utilities or plumbing and sewage pipe leaks.
They're just like, it's so dumb.
If there's a house, just put a homeless person in it.
And that's a bunch of leftist activism.
And then actually having worked with homeless shelters, Going to them and explaining someone has to do work to maintain the house.
The lawn has to be mowed.
The utilities have to be regularly maintained.
Someone has to make sure the house doesn't burn down.
Who's going to do all of that work?
How do you just put someone in a house?
Now, when you have empty investment properties, I'm not a big fan of people just buying up houses, driving up prices, and then no one uses them.
I want people to use houses.
But when no one's in it, nothing's happening, you'll get like a caretaker once a month to go in and just make sure everything's fine.
So there's no dilapidation.
There's no collapse.
However, They need to make sure that the utility pipes don't burst and fires don't start.
But you put a person who's not responsible for their lives, to a certain degree, in a house, and then the house starts falling apart, and then what, the house catches fire and burns other people's houses down?
It just doesn't make sense.
And if we have a society where people just can only come up with these most simplistic and surface-level solutions that aren't actually solutions, that's what we're getting policy-wise.
There's a bunch of starving people!
I know!
Let's feed them!
And what do you do tomorrow?
Feed them again!
Just keep feeding them!
You're not solving the problem.
will chamberlain
Raise the voting age to 30,000.
I don't disagree.
There's an argument to be made for that.
seamus coughlin
I actually, I don't, I don't, I mean, I don't disagree.
There's an argument to be made for that because when the voting age, I mean,
previously the voting age was what?
21.
And early in our country's history, I mean, you were out on your own paying
your way by the time you were 16 or so.
So once you got to 21, you had multiple years of real-world experience caring for yourself and possibly even a family.
In fact, likely a family by the time you were 21.
And so you, A, had a vested stake in society and, B, quite a good amount of experience at that point.
Now, 18-year-olds, vote, who have never lived on their own, have never held on a job, certainly aren't raising families in the vast majority of circumstances, and if they are, Well, yeah, yeah, generally speaking.
I mean, no, I should say it's good that they keep the kid, though, and don't kill it, but I'll say this.
It's unbelievably bizarre that there are people who actually want to push the voting age down to 16, that this is something that was even being discussed.
will chamberlain
Right, well, I mean, it's cynical, and it's just pure polit— I mean, I'm also— Who wants uninformed voters?
Right.
Who wants uninformed voters?
seamus coughlin
Democrats do.
will chamberlain
Yeah, exactly.
And I mean, I'm also somewhat cynical.
Like, I realize that most of these schemes are designed to increase the number of Democrat voters, so I'm perfectly happy to entertain schemes that will increase the number of Republican voters.
ian crossland
Or make Republicans more do you think we should have a maximum voting age?
will chamberlain
No, no, we're 31 older people vote Republican. Why would I why would I want to exclude my own voters?
ian crossland
I think people that are very old are out of touch with how society works, especially when you look at currency law
seamus coughlin
I mean, maybe that's you maybe the way that maybe society.
will chamberlain
Yeah, but maybe they have wisdom. Yeah, maybe that's maybe they
ian crossland
Maybe they're definitely out of touch with the way says technology functions
seamus coughlin
Sure, but a lot of voters are and they're also out of touch with everything else, too
lydia smith
So how about out of touch with technology?
Sorry, just let me interject because I have worked with older people.
Someone being out of touch with technology does not make them less wise, less interesting.
It does not give them less interesting stories.
I think that older people should continue to have a say in our community as long as they're able to like things.
will chamberlain
I learned so much from my dad.
It's amazing.
Yeah, it's great.
And it's funny when I talk about, you know, because he was around during, for example, the civil rights debate.
He was around and was cognizant, remembers the arguments people were making.
And so it's funny when he hears people saying, they're a private company, Facebook and Twitter are private companies, they can do what they want.
He's like, that sounds a lot like the arguments people made about the restaurants.
Freedom of association, First Amendment rights.
We think it's ridiculous now, but that's a legit argument that the Goldwater types were making in the 1960s.
The Civil Rights Act was a violation of the First Amendment.
tim pool
I think I might have a solution.
What if we took maybe, like, a light, some kind of light beacon, and we installed it into people's hands, and then what happens is, as they start nearing 30, it changes color, and then right around the time they're 30, it starts flashing red, so we know they're 30.
lydia smith
They're expired.
tim pool
And then, you know, pluck them and put them in a voting booth.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
They have the things in their hands and like the light turns red and it's like you're 30 so they're gonna kill you now or whatever.
ian crossland
Can people that are like suffering from dementia, Alzheimer's vote?
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
Can people that are like mentally afflicted and other, you know... Yes, yes.
They can vote.
So people can be... Can someone that's on a machine considered in a vegetative state?
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
They're not legally allowed to vote?
tim pool
How would they?
will chamberlain
I don't know, but are they legally allowed?
There has to be a volitional act, I would assume.
ian crossland
So they gotta do it with their own hands.
unidentified
Demented people... If you are diagnosed... One of them is president.
tim pool
I didn't say that.
seamus coughlin
Yes, they can vote, bro!
One of them is literally running the country.
Yes, they can vote.
tim pool
I wouldn't say he's running the country.
Yeah, fair enough.
But he's sitting in the chair.
seamus coughlin
Ostensibly running the country.
ian crossland
Ostensibly.
Oh, man.
What were you saying?
tim pool
If somebody is, like, diagnosed demented, they're not gonna vote.
ian crossland
But they can legally.
Right?
tim pool
I don't know about that.
ian crossland
And they can vote wherever someone tells them.
tim pool
What I mean is, if somebody is in their house, and they're clearly mentally unwell, and they get a mail-in ballot, they're gonna send it in.
It's gonna count.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
So you can make whatever laws you want.
There are a lot of people who are crazy who are roaming the streets and living lives.
ian crossland
Right.
will chamberlain
For example, those people who are wearing, like, multiple masks and, like, doing things like that.
ian crossland
Yeah, it was never about mental wellness, letting people vote, right?
It was about ownership of land.
tim pool
I think, you know, Ian makes a great point.
If we were to maybe pass a law saying, like, legitimately, if you have a mental illness, you can't vote, all the Democrats would be gone.
seamus coughlin
Hold on, hold on, I'm not joking.
By the data, they're much more mentally ill, more likely to have mental health issues.
tim pool
Substantially higher to be diagnosed with mental health issues.
The further left you go.
seamus coughlin
They would probably say we're more likely to admit it and seek treatment.
tim pool
It doesn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
Listen, you know, I'll tell you what- Come on, but we all know- You wanna know one of the craziest things ever?
I was in California, I was on Venice Beach, and there was a guy and they do these things where they want people to get their weed cards.
And this dude was just like, yo, he's like, hey man, you get your weed card yet?
And I was like, I don't need or want one.
And he's like, oh, you gotta get your medical card, man.
How do you know?
I mean, have you talked to a doctor?
And I was like, I have nothing to talk to a doctor about.
He's like, oh, well, you skateboard?
I was like, yeah.
And he's like, your knees hurt?
And I was like, sometimes.
Oh, man, you gotta get a weed card.
Here's the crazy thing.
It's because they were trying to sell medicinal marijuana, right?
If you get that card, you can't legally own guns anymore.
So these kids, because then you fill out the form saying that you do drugs.
Imagine some young kid who doesn't know sees the guy say, five bucks, weed card, and goes, okay, boom, you lose your
Second Amendment rights.
That's creepy stuff.
ian crossland
Yeah, mental illness is a dangerous term.
tim pool
Right.
Taking away people's rights by claiming they're unwell or whatever.
But anyway, it is true statistically that the further left you go, the higher rates of mental illness they see.
seamus coughlin
I would imagine extremes in any direction.
Also, a left-wing mentality doesn't encourage virtuous or healthy living at all.
ian crossland
Can you define that?
seamus coughlin
Taking pride in your work, attempting to contribute to society best you can, caring for your family, having a strong faith in God, loving your neighbors.
I mean, these are the things that have made people, we won't quite say happy, but have given their lives meaning for millennia.
And we're just told that these are vestiges from a time before we had a deep understanding of the world and now we can discard it all and reform man into whatever it is the current left-wing orthodoxy says he should be.
ian crossland
I see.
lydia smith
Well, they're constantly pushing us forward to more edgy and interesting things, if you will.
They're progressing us.
They haven't really told us what they're progressing us toward, but they are in fact progressing us, and that means that we can't do things the old boring way.
That means the nuclear family is passé.
That's not really interesting to be a parent.
That you would rather be a feminist, and if you're a woman, go work in an office just like a man.
Be a second-rate man.
That's great, right?
It's new.
It's different.
We don't like the old way of doing things.
seamus coughlin
We just want something Can I just mention this in case my answer didn't suffice?
There's one point I want to throw in here in case I wasn't as clear as I could have been, or in case this bears stating what I meant.
Humans have historically, generally, what is normal and good for a man is to, in most cases, get married, raise a family, care for his wife and children, right?
And now our society has completely subverted gender roles, not just in terms of the transgender question, but also the family structure of the home, the headship of the man as the father and head of the household.
And of course, we have an economy which doesn't support a single family income the way it used to.
But I think more or less left-wing people are far more likely to voluntarily embrace the kind of lifestyle which rejects family life.
And I think that's really bad for mental health.
tim pool
The question is, will it lead to the destruction of our society and civilization, or not, right?
So, there's constant arguments about... Well, what?
So, conservatives are famous for saying what?
Stop, right?
Is that the saying?
will chamberlain
Standing athwart history.
That's Buckley.
Standing athwart history, yelling stop.
tim pool
So you have a big argument right now in the culture war, and it's progressive versus traditional.
And the right tends to be more traditional, the left tends to be more progressive.
The problem I see right now is the left is like, they're so far left in terms of the idea of progress that they're falling off the cliff.
And they're like, slow down guys, this is crazy.
But the question I suppose is, for what?
For both sides, for progressives and for conservatives.
Like, state your case, for what?
Everything you just said, what's the end goal of that?
seamus coughlin
What is the outcome of that?
I mean, family is built atop the family, so we need a strong family unit.
tim pool
So the end goal is just for people to have families for the sake of having families?
seamus coughlin
Well, no, I mean, having a family is a good thing.
And I think that having a family is, in some ways, its own justification.
I would give other more robust theological reasons, but family is good and people should have them.
will chamberlain
Human flourishing, right?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
Creating the next generation.
Contributing, yeah.
tim pool
Is what you're proposing going to lead to a better, healthier society?
Absolutely, yes.
That's the ultimate question.
will chamberlain
I think that's Burke, isn't it?
And I forget exactly who said human flourishing is the goal.
I think it was Burke.
Might have been Russell Kirk or somebody.
tim pool
Yeah, I think human success and longevity is the goal.
I think what we see from the left doesn't give us that.
I don't think the right has all the answers.
I think we need some reforms across the board in terms of this country.
But you end up with a modern establishment left that is, I'll tell you this, the Democrats, they're not progressives, like, as a whole.
They are some kind of weird twisted power structure of neo-corporate fascist something or other.
The progressives are, yeah.
will chamberlain
Sorry, I just wanted to bring up how, like, Cory Booker went up, got up and made fun of Black Lives Matter and said, how dare anybody suggest we would defund the police?
And I just literally, Black Lives Matter on the Twitter account, like, lit them up.
No one in the Senate supports our revolutionary movement.
And you're like, cue the Curb Your Enthusiasm theme.
tim pool
Right, that was hilarious.
But the progressives propose insane things that will only tear down and destroy.
Not completely.
I'll put it this way.
Here's what I see.
Right now, you have progressives on the left, and it's like a tendency versus the rule.
Exceptions versus the rule.
The rule on the left is that they're going to propose things that make very little sense in the long run.
Notably, like, we want universal healthcare, and also stop fat-shaming.
It's like, okay, listen.
If you want everybody to pay for healthcare, but you're also saying no personal responsibility in your healthcare, then you're going to have a system collapse.
The right, I think, for now, it's inverted.
It's more so the rule that conservatives are going to say, hey, these things have worked and they will work, and it's the exception when they propose things that are bad and don't, right?
You see what I'm saying?
What I'm seeing right now is establishment Democrats are, give me corporate power, I don't care about anything else.
Progressives are, just put homeless people in homes, problem solved.
And then conservatives are like, well, here, this was working, let's keep doing that.
And I'm like, that actually makes sense for now.
ian crossland
But I don't think... Yeah, it's not working.
If you look at it economically, it's not working.
Like, to sit still and watch this train head towards the cliff is not the way to go.
tim pool
But that's not what they're saying.
Well, actually, you can put it better.
Because you're actually a conservative.
will chamberlain
Like, what we're trying to accomplish with... With the economy, right?
tim pool
So, like, Ian's argument is you're saying, stop the economy now, even though it's not working.
ian crossland
Specifically that Republicans in Congress are doing that, not you necessarily, but what... They're saying, stop the economy?
No, they're just saying, don't change it.
We don't really need to do too much.
They're kind of hands-off.
will chamberlain
Well, I mean, that's sort of like a, like a, I guess a Lindy-type argument.
right? Like the longer things last the more likely they are to be effective and
certain, you know, and good and, you know, evolutionarily sound. But I mean in
general I guess the conservative approach is sort of prudence, right? So
there's prudence is a big part of it, you know, like don't do things you don't know
about. Tradition has its own value.
unidentified
Yes.
will chamberlain
Like Chesterton's Fence, I don't know if you're familiar with that.
seamus coughlin
Oh, absolutely.
will chamberlain
Okay, you know Chesterton's Fence.
What's that?
It's just a really simple concept, right?
Chesterton had some great quote.
He's like, if you don't understand why a fence was put up, then don't take it down.
unidentified
Yes!
seamus coughlin
Which seems pretty straightforward.
will chamberlain
Right, like somebody put up the fence for a reason.
seamus coughlin
I think they know why all the fences are put up.
It was to oppress somebody.
tim pool
It's for power.
We have a blender downstairs.
lydia smith
Oh my.
tim pool
Okay?
And the blender is, you've got the actual machine that you plug in the wall, you've got the pitcher, the lid, and the blade.
And for some reason, people take each part and put it in a different part of the house!
Oh, neurotic.
unidentified
That's the worst form of neurotic.
Why?
seamus coughlin
Who does that?
tim pool
If you don't know what it is, don't move it!
unidentified
He's speaking to you.
seamus coughlin
Look, I thought it was funny at the time.
I mean, it's good work.
So you're mad about it.
tim pool
The blender blade was with the crockpot in the Lazy Susan.
unidentified
Why?
ian crossland
That's a mess.
tim pool
Because someone saw it and said, I don't know what it is.
I'll put it down here.
The pitcher was like in the upper cabinet, in the pantry.
The machine, the actual blender base was sitting there, but then I couldn't find the lid anywhere.
Because someone saw the lid and said, I don't know what this goes to, so I'll move it.
ian crossland
You're experiencing the beginnings of a society.
It's the chaos of bringing a bunch of people together without an ordered, lawyered system in place.
tim pool
If you don't know what it is, don't touch it.
There's a purple, quivering mass vibrating on the ground.
I'm gonna touch it!
lydia smith
No!
unidentified
No!
tim pool
Don't touch it!
What's going on with this thing?
seamus coughlin
How am I gonna know what it is if I don't taste it?
lydia smith
I mean...
ian crossland
And there we go, the beginning of society.
will chamberlain
What are you guys doing around here?
tim pool
It's a wild ride, Wilf.
Do you guys know what star jelly is?
will chamberlain
No.
seamus coughlin
I almost don't want to.
tim pool
So we went outside a couple days ago, and I noticed something on the ground that looked like slush.
It's 90 degrees outside.
It looked like slush.
No joke.
It looked like, in every possible way, a chunk of slushy ice, and there was water pooling around it.
And I was like, why is there ice on the ground?
Where did this come from?
I'm looking around.
And then I walked over and then like I poked and it was goo.
It was a weird goo.
seamus coughlin
I saw that.
tim pool
But this wasn't, there was no animals that had moved by.
Like nothing, it was our walkway where we're constantly going around and at some point somehow it appeared there and we didn't know why.
And I guess there's something called star jelly that people think is like, it comes from meteorites or something.
seamus coughlin
So it was there, and it was in a Ziploc bag, and Andreas was telling me about it.
And my default rule is just never believe anything that Andreas says, ever.
will chamberlain
I don't know Andreas that well, but I do know... To fact check every year.
seamus coughlin
He knows the kind of person.
And we love Andreas, we love Andreas.
But it's in this little plastic bag, and he's like, It fell from the clouds, dude.
I was like, you bought Silly Putty and you put it on the ground.
But now Tim is saying he saw a similar thing.
tim pool
I'm not saying it was star jelly.
I think that it was.
ian crossland
I'm looking at pictures of it.
Is it this white, gooey kind of star jelly?
tim pool
If you don't know what it is, don't touch it.
Or eat it.
I'll tell you a funny story, right?
So my dad was a firefighter and he told me this story about how one day they get a call for a tanker spill or something.
And one of the, I guess, fire department employees pulls up in their vehicle and drives through a large puddle with tape around it because they didn't know or care what it was.
It was acetone.
unidentified
Oh no!
lydia smith
It dissolves plastic?
tim pool
Yeah, it's a corrosive.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
And so they were like, why would you do this?
unidentified
I was like, I don't know.
tim pool
I didn't know what was going on.
It's like, well maybe you should stop because there's fire trucks here and be like, is something happening?
What's going...
I guess not.
seamus coughlin
I heard, so I heard a similar story my sister told me when I was a kid and reflecting upon it it sounds like it could be completely made up but I'm gonna tell it anyway because it's interesting but apparently there were some kids like just driving into piles of leaves in our area because they thought it was fun and then I guess there's like a homeless dude sleeping in one of the piles.
ian crossland
Oh yeah dude.
tim pool
There was a story in Illinois where a kid was in the alley and he was in a box.
He took a box and he went inside it and then a car drove through the alley and ran it over.
And so the driver, he got arrested and charged.
I think it was like negligent homicide or something.
Cause they were like, don't run over boxes.
seamus coughlin
Don't run over a random thing.
If you don't know what's in a random thing, don't destroy it.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
My dad said that too.
My dad said he hit a plastic bag that was lying on the road.
He's like, there was like a brick in that thing.
I almost flattened my tire and I was like, you gotta be careful.
seamus coughlin
When you see a box, the first thing you do, again, you need to know what it is.
The first thing you do is you taste it.
lydia smith
You jump up and down on it.
tim pool
This tastes like cardboard.
ian crossland
This is star jelly, maybe originating from the glands and the oviducts of frogs and toads.
tim pool
Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking.
This was a huge pile.
lydia smith
A lot of frogs.
tim pool
And it was our walk away by the door.
There was no frogs anywhere near.
We were jumping on the trampoline.
Anyway, Super Chats.
lydia smith
Yeah, we're late.
tim pool
Ladies and gentlemen, smash that like button.
You know, this is, we introed as ShimCast.
seamus coughlin
This is ShimCast, thank you for your Super Chats.
tim pool
And Seamus didn't tell anybody to smash the like button.
seamus coughlin
I did.
I said specifically, smash the like button, subscribe, send in Super Chats.
Did you?
This is our debut ShimCast.
Of course, I... You did not say that.
unidentified
No, you didn't.
seamus coughlin
I can't lie.
I won't lie to you on my own podcast, but I will tell you this.
We are crushing it with the likes right now.
Sick.
Look at this.
We're up to almost 7,000 likes.
Ladies and gentlemen, let's get ShimCast IRL up to 10,000 likes for this episode.
The most liked episode ever.
The most liked episode of ShimCast.
We're gonna do it tonight.
tim pool
I think you'd need like 50,000 or 60,000 to be honest.
seamus coughlin
So you're acknowledging all the previously high-liked episodes were ShimCast.
tim pool
No, I'm saying ShimCast will never... 10,000 likes, you heard it here.
seamus coughlin
We're getting 10,000 likes on this ShimCast episode.
Won't be our most liked, but we'll give it a shot.
tim pool
Let's read these Super Chats.
We got... Ethan Simon says, Tim, it's not just inflation, it's immigration too.
Immigration increases the population of the consumer base.
More people, more demand.
More demand, higher prices.
That's a really good point.
Especially when we're talking about the slow-motion collapse of this country, not only are Biden's policies driving up gas prices and consumer prices, he also brought in 1.2 million illegal immigrants this year.
seamus coughlin
That's insane.
tim pool
I'll tell you this, and I always stress this, I love me immigration.
I think we're lucky when we get immigrants coming to this country because the smart and talented people and the hard workers come from other countries, but it's got to be a legal process.
We can't just be like, wander through the desert for 90 miles because then people die.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
Well, and also on top of it, I've said this in the past, it is such ridiculous framing to call somebody anti-immigration or anti-immigrant if they're against illegal immigration.
The entire point is we want an apparatus set up so that we know who's coming into the country, because you can't just literally let anyone and everyone in at all times.
But if you say that, you're some kind of bigoted neo-Nazi who just...
It's covertly motivated by a hatred towards Hispanic people.
That's the only reason you could think there would be any point in vetting people before coming into our country.
The media is sort of... No one in the world is dangerous.
ian crossland
They've framed it like they're refugees a lot of this time, and I think people have kind of subconsciously believed that they're refugees fleeing here.
That's a big problem.
tim pool
The Cubans aren't refugees.
seamus coughlin
I want to mention this, too.
Yes, absolutely they are.
I want to mention this, too, because I mentioned some immigrants being dangerous.
It's not even about dangerous, either.
Obviously, every nation has a right to regulate the number of people entering the country if it starts to impact the standard of living for the other person.
unidentified
And a duty.
ian crossland
Not just a right.
A duty.
seamus coughlin
A duty.
Amen.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
All right.
Vanessa Stuller says, love it.
Shim cast.
He who wears the suit.
seamus coughlin
That's right, we gotta put the blazer back on.
The reason Tim started reading the superchats and talking about how this was actually some other podcast is because I wasn't wearing the blazer, so it's back on.
tim pool
GothicExtravaganza says, Shamus looks good in a suit.
Now if only he'd shave that scruff off of his face.
seamus coughlin
Don't do it.
tim pool
Then he'd more look like a proper elder in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
seamus coughlin
First of all- The most true church.
Why would I?
unidentified
What?
seamus coughlin
Are you kidding me?
tim pool
He's baiting me.
seamus coughlin
That's what they said.
He's baiting me.
You know, the one true holy Catholic apostolic church.
I'm just Roman Catholic.
That is the one true church.
And let me tell you, to this super chatter, first of all, the scruff's not going anywhere, alright?
I'm a disheveled cartoonist.
That's the whole thing.
I don't want people to think I clean up nice or anything.
tim pool
This is important.
Bryce Wilson says, My wife works at an Amazon warehouse in Arizona.
She was just told today that all workers have to use gender-neutral pronouns at her building.
Is there anything she can do to push back?
No, and she shouldn't push back.
She should accept using gender-neutral pronouns.
I prefer the word floorboat.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
That's Tim.
I thought you were Z.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, no.
So Florbo is the word we use when we don't want to accidentally misgender somebody.
Because if you go to a conservative and you're not sure, and you try to use non-traditional pronouns, you could offend them.
But if you go to a leftist and use traditional pronouns, you could offend them.
What's the one neutral way to do it?
Remove yourself from the system entirely and say, Florbo is completely gender neutral, and I'm doing it to make sure I never disrespect anybody.
seamus coughlin
But I mean, if someone is completely wrong, I'm fine with them being offended if I say something that's right.
Like, you're a he, and that person's a he, and I'm not gonna be gender neutral.
tim pool
This person's in a workplace, and the company says, you must use gender neutral pronouns, but you don't know which pronoun somebody wants, or, if they're comfortable, so just say, Florbo.
unidentified
Perfect.
tim pool
Because if they're like, what does that mean?
It's just a gender neutral pronoun.
For everybody.
And then, there you go.
Problem solved.
seamus coughlin
Will, as a lawyer, what is the legal precedent for this?
will chamberlain
There is, I mean, there's a bizarre interpretation of the Civil Rights Act, I believe it was.
seamus coughlin
The best kind of interpretation.
will chamberlain
Or the Equal Protection Act, I think.
Or the Equal Rights, I forget.
I'm not really, really up on my gender law.
seamus coughlin
That's pretty messed up.
Yeah, that's not right.
will chamberlain
Do better.
Look, I tried to say this yesterday.
I said that we just don't give Caitlyn Jenner enough credit for being the first woman to win the Men's Decathlon.
lydia smith
I know, it's true.
will chamberlain
Like, she just doesn't get enough credit.
It's really impressive.
unidentified
Agreed.
seamus coughlin
It's because he's a man.
lydia smith
Whoa, whoa.
tim pool
Okay, let's read.
Donald Dixon says, Tim, I can't find a way to join by using my debit card.
Is that not an option?
Sick of YouTube and want to be a member.
All of you are awesome.
Lids is amazing.
I don't know why that would be an issue.
I'm pretty sure you can join if you go to TimCast.com and sign up.
That should be fine.
Maybe there's an error?
I don't know.
will chamberlain
I don't want to be like, check your account balance, but check your account balance.
seamus coughlin
Also, this is important.
At the beginning of ShimCast IRL, I said we were not going to be respectful to Lydia anymore, and he said Lydia rocks.
lydia smith
Oh, okay.
I'm sorry.
I can't accept that.
seamus coughlin
Same with Ian.
ian crossland
Lydia does rock.
tim pool
Juan R. Ayala says, shout out to Seamus.
I've been a proud supporter of his work when he was just a smelly libertarian with no girlfriend and lived with his parents.
seamus coughlin
Thank you so much.
Come a long way, man.
Why'd you have to remind people about that chapter in my life?
lydia smith
Smelly libertarian.
will chamberlain
We all have the libertarian thing.
You know, everybody's made that huge mistake and then just gets over it.
seamus coughlin
Well, let me tell you, thank you so much for supporting me over these years.
And now I have my own ShimCast IRL channel with a million subscribers.
will chamberlain
It's impressive.
lydia smith
You've done well.
Thank you.
will chamberlain
Very quick, too.
I didn't hear about you before, so the fact that you got to a million this fast is just remarkable.
seamus coughlin
You literally didn't hear about me until the day you were doing my podcast.
will chamberlain
It's unbelievable.
lydia smith
Amazing.
seamus coughlin
Except for the other time we met here.
unidentified
Back when it was Tim.
will chamberlain
Things have gotten better.
seamus coughlin
Thank you, I appreciate that.
tim pool
Ryan Burkavile says, I work at a local factory.
We are currently 80 short and so desperate we started hiring part-time with flexible hours.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Interesting.
Sorta I can't read your name says urban secession make us mega cities unincorporated u.s.
will chamberlain
Autonomous territories Well, no, I've always said that the best way to deal with California is to let it secede and then occupy it And then we can strip it of its electoral votes that would solve and also maybe just put Peter Thiel in charge There's nothing wrong with California that a dictatorial Peter Thiel wouldn't listen Dolly Lance says, my daughter got a new job and gave two weeks at her grocery store.
tim pool
The store is short on employees.
The manager cried and begged her to still work at the store on her days off from the other job.
unidentified
Wow.
That's rough.
tim pool
Just shut her down, man.
Just that.
That's it.
Shut it down.
You know, it'd be really interesting.
There's like one grocery store within a few miles of here.
What would happen if one day people shut up and it was closed?
And it said, we have no staff anymore.
The store no longer operates.
Where will people go?
seamus coughlin
Uber Eats, man.
tim pool
What will happen?
will chamberlain
Drive 10 N. It's more to the Walmart or something, I assume.
seamus coughlin
And then the big business?
tim pool
This is a big chain grocery store.
Like, I'm saying, like, what happens if we get to the point where they're just, like, a bunch of them shut down in an area and people have no store to go to to get food?
will chamberlain
They're coming for your chickens.
unidentified
Tim will protect those chickens.
tim pool
Will a mom and pop open a building and say, look at this, people are desperate, we're gonna make a ton of money!
And then order groceries and have a little store and then it'll grow again and then they'll hire people.
seamus coughlin
Maybe.
tim pool
Or it'll just be small mom-and-pop stores.
Because they want to work.
seamus coughlin
I don't think we're headed in that direction, though.
I think it's the exact opposite.
It's the giant businesses that are going to dominate the market.
tim pool
But who wants to work for them?
seamus coughlin
Drone delivery.
tim pool
Amazon.
They own Whole Foods.
seamus coughlin
People want to work for small mom-and-pop shops even less.
Even though I think people are generally more ideologically on board with them.
They're more comfortable working for small business owners rather than a large conglomerate.
They usually can't pay any better, and generally speaking, they don't pay as well.
They're not able to provide the same benefits either.
They can't compete with the big guys.
will chamberlain
There's definitely benefits to size, especially when it comes to things like benefits and HR.
tim pool
Dave from Colorado says, My wife and I listen every night.
Yesterday was Jessica and my 9th wedding anniversary.
Could you please have everyone wish Jessica a happy anniversary from her loving husband, Dave?
Thank you.
Happy anniversary, Jessica.
seamus coughlin
From Dave.
will chamberlain
Dave seems like a wonderful guy.
lydia smith
Yeah, he does.
seamus coughlin
Dave, you do.
Good for you guys.
A warm ShimCast IRL happy anniversary.
lydia smith
That's right.
Yes, correct.
ian crossland
It's powerful.
tim pool
Adam Lee says, after 1,000 shoutouts for plumbers, I had to say thanks for recognizing plumbers and construction workers in general.
A lot of us have been working this entire pandemic and are treated as though we do not know the risk.
I'm telling you, man, when the plumbers, when there's a plumber shortage, people are going to revolt.
lydia smith
Yes.
unidentified
Fast.
will chamberlain
Yeah, like you fast that's one of those things that you don't think about very much until you need a plumber. Yeah
Really glad that they will take your money to do the week So people who come to this house don't understand what a
tim pool
septic system is And I think anybody who has a septic system understands
what it means when people come to your house and don't notice septic. Yes
Yeah, it's a problem.
So we had one day where we woke up and the downstairs started flooding because people don't understand you can't put stuff in toilets.
And I'm like, how do we get a septic person out here literally right now?
And you can't.
You're calling, you're calling, you're calling, and they're like, we can be there tomorrow or the next day.
We're scheduled.
We're booked.
And it's like, wow.
seamus coughlin
So he made me do it.
tim pool
When you need one, you need one.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then everything got taken care of and it wasn't that bad.
It was fortunate for us it was just water backing up.
So it was just like, kind of, ugh.
lydia smith
Could have been worse.
tim pool
A mattress got destroyed.
Fortunately for us it was just water backing up.
unidentified
Oh boy.
seamus coughlin
Meet the parents.
will chamberlain
What?
seamus coughlin
You ever see Meet the Parents?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
will chamberlain
I don't remember it.
tim pool
He left the toilet running, and so it flooded the septic system.
And, oh yeah.
Alright, let's see.
Christopher Antonia says, In Canada, we use paper ballots.
Parties and volunteers to monitor the count, and everyone is cooperative, cordial, and transparent.
A winner is normally declared on election night, but our up-and-coming election will have mail-in ballots.
Thanks, Trudeau.
ian crossland
You know, assuming that it's transparent is kind of dangerous.
will chamberlain
Because if you don't get to watch the entire process, then that's not... I just don't think we need mail-in ballots.
I think you should have to be like absent-duty military or like show an excuse as to why you can't.
seamus coughlin
That's pretty racist.
tim pool
All right, Christopher Knowles says, We're mammals.
Different survival requirements produce different levels of consciousness.
It's a sliding scale.
Random acts of kindness exist in our species.
Why?
It shouldn't be advantageous to give away our own advantage to others, but it is.
Why, if not free will?
Because humans are social animals, and providing for each other guarantees the survival of the greater community.
They did studies on rats and found rats are also empathetic.
They had a rat in this tight little tube that it couldn't get out of and it was screaming and they put another rat inside and gave the rat outside food.
The rat outside would release the rat trapped and then share its food with it.
seamus coughlin
But what we haven't considered is maybe those rats were standing in solidarity against their human captors.
If two aliens came and locked you in another human in some kind of maze that you could free them from, you'd probably be more likely to help that person than you would if you just saw them on the streets.
At least now there's a common enemy.
ian crossland
Right, you don't touch something if you don't know what it is.
tim pool
There's a really funny Far Side comic where there's two aliens looking at a terrarium Where a guy is cowering and there's a grizzly bear screaming.
You're like, rawr, over him.
And then the alien's like, Dave, you put incompatible species in the same terrarium.
That would suck, right?
lydia smith
That's what happens.
tim pool
All right.
Jesse Meeks says, I love how even when you all have differing opinions, uh, differing options, you're each able to present a coherent argument and remain civil.
I miss that.
You should reach out to Liberty Doll.
She's a professional counselor, libertarian, and gun enthusiast.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
seamus coughlin
Wouldn't it be funny if he just singled someone?
I was like, except Seamus.
He's an idiot.
will chamberlain
He's the worst.
seamus coughlin
By the way, Ian.
ian crossland
Power to the people, Seamus.
seamus coughlin
This is what the establishment fears most.
lydia smith
Fist bumps?
tim pool
Kendrick Leist says, Ian should read The Fatal Conceit by Hayek.
His thoughts would be immensely interesting.
Write that down.
The last of my kind.
seamus coughlin
You're not a Hayek fan?
will chamberlain
He's obtuse.
ian crossland
I don't know.
will chamberlain
He's just... I don't know.
I find... I thought Milton Friedman's way better.
I thought Rothbard's way better.
I thought Hayek was... Hayek had some insights, but I definitely found some Hayek pros to be just unreadable.
seamus coughlin
He put the Austrian school on the map with the boom and bust.
will chamberlain
Sure, sure.
But yeah, I don't know.
The Austrians get one thing right, and then they think they got everything right.
seamus coughlin
I think, well, and also there's a lot they get from the Salamancans as well.
I shouldn't say get from them, but that was discovered prior to that.
will chamberlain
I just look at people like Peter Schiff, who made a really bad prediction about the value of the dollar and lost two-thirds of his client's capital.
seamus coughlin
Oh, wow.
Did you know that?
He's going to sue you, and you're going to be sued.
I'm just kidding.
will chamberlain
OK.
He can try.
What happened?
Basically, he was betting against the dollar and on inflation in the aftermath of the housing crisis.
And he got the housing crisis part right.
He just was betting all the spending was going to lead to serious inflation, but didn't account for the fact that the massive debt collapse was incredibly deflationary and kind of outweighed it.
So the dollar got stronger.
And that bet was like a big chunk of the portfolio.
unidentified
Wow.
will chamberlain
That's my understanding of what happened.
tim pool
The opposite of the big short.
seamus coughlin
Well... Yeah.
will chamberlain
Yeah, no, he managed to get the housing crisis part right and still lose money, which is... Nice.
tim pool
TheLastOfMyKind says, Howdy Seamus, cast crew.
Today is 31st birthday and I'm walking with a cane because I jumped off my truck and rolled my ankle.
31 never felt so good.
seamus coughlin
Let's don't 31-year-olds usually walk with a cane.
lydia smith
Yeah, I know.
Trust me.
will chamberlain
You sound like my fiancee who constantly tells me how old I am.
ian crossland
How old are you, Will?
will chamberlain
I'm 36.
unidentified
No, 35.
will chamberlain
Sorry, I'm about to turn 36.
I forgot.
I'm so old, I forgot my own age.
seamus coughlin
But thank you for that.
tim pool
Luke Rudkowski says, what's Dilbert doing on the show and how are you treating my parking lot?
will chamberlain
Thanks, Luke.
tim pool
Does Luke call you Dilbert?
will chamberlain
Yeah, that was like Luke's original nickname for me.
When we met, all the way back at the Airbnb in Berkeley.
Yeah, for some reason he started calling me Dilbert.
tim pool
What a jerk.
will chamberlain
Because I wear glasses.
unidentified
He wants to hang out with you.
tim pool
He's really self-conscious and he wants you to think that he's cool, so he's trying to show you that he's confident.
will chamberlain
I absolutely will vouch for Luke Rudkowski's coolness.
He's a wonderfully cool person.
seamus coughlin
He's a cool guy.
tim pool
He's up in New Hampshire at the Free State Project stuff.
ian crossland
He's teaching people self-defense and tactical defense training and stuff.
Check out Luke Rudkowski's Instagram, WeAreChange.
Follow Luke Rudkowski on YouTube and Spotify.
Is he on Spotify yet?
Luke, you gotta start a podcast, bro.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, man.
will chamberlain
Is this RutkowskiCast now?
Shame that you lost your show.
seamus coughlin
Hold on, no, this is still ShimCast IRL, but we have a high degree of love and reverence for Luke.
tim pool
RutkowskiCast wouldn't fit in the YouTube title.
seamus coughlin
RutkowskiCast?
tim pool
How would you even... RutkowskiCast?
lydia smith
RutCast, there you go.
seamus coughlin
It's ShimCast, I'm sorry.
tim pool
Or, you can all just tweet to Luke how much you love him, and you're puking because he's not on the show, and he's vanished.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
I want Luke back on ShimCast.
I've said it once, I'll say it again.
tim pool
He's the man.
ian crossland
He got good aim!
Was that too loud?
unidentified
Sorry guys.
ian crossland
Mike play as an art.
tim pool
Hey Tim, thanks for inspiring me to get back into podcasting again.
Check out the Swamp Creatures podcast where us Florida men drink and talk about the news every Friday.
We are not PG or PC.
will chamberlain
Do you commit crimes on the podcast?
Like many Florida men do.
If so, I am intrigued.
lydia smith
Will, I gotta ask you a question.
will chamberlain
Sure.
lydia smith
From my understanding, the reason that Florida seems so crazy is because they have different sunshine laws.
Is this correct?
will chamberlain
I have no idea.
And I was born there, but I left.
Yeah, I left when I was two.
ian crossland
What are sunshine laws?
lydia smith
So from my understanding, this is where if you commit a crime that that information is more accessible to the general public.
So more able to talk about what goes on there.
will chamberlain
I have no idea.
That might make it easier to run various Twitter accounts and Instagram accounts about the various crimes.
lydia smith
For sure.
will chamberlain
The men of Florida.
lydia smith
Yes.
Florida man.
Legendary.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see what we got.
Olympic... I can't read that name.
If Hollywood made a movie about this election showing Biden... Okay, we're gonna move on, I guess.
ian crossland
Good super chat, though.
will chamberlain
Good super chat, thank you.
Thanks for the money.
tim pool
Australia is not real, just ask a flat earther, says Shimcast IRL rocks.
unidentified
Yes!
seamus coughlin
That's true, and thank you.
Both of those statements are accurate.
tim pool
All right.
Master Matthew says, saw the stream on the Freedom Phone.
Tech being easy for everyone contradicts your position on being responsible.
If you're afraid of being spied on it, know your tech.
Check out Pineapple and Linux, by the way.
No, it doesn't contradict me at all.
I would love it if we streamlined the process for which people could be responsible by bringing things down to earth.
If somebody wants to learn how to start a fire, I'm not going to be like, if you don't use sticks, you're not responsible.
I'll say, get some fire steel.
It's a modern technology.
I mean, you should learn how to start a fire with nothing but sticks.
But it's also substantially more responsible to be like, I have fire steel.
You ever see that stuff?
It's cool.
You go, the sparks fly out.
ian crossland
It was a magnesium and flint.
tim pool
I think it's just magnesium.
seamus coughlin
I think it's magic.
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
That's right.
ian crossland
You can also take like cotton and stuff it in like a tight jar and then heat it up.
So like get really hot without oxygen.
And then it becomes, how do you heat it up on a fire?
Like you put it over heat.
lydia smith
Oh, so you have to already have it.
ian crossland
Yeah, you have to already have that fire going.
tim pool
And what does that do?
ian crossland
It's portable and then it's super flammable.
You can start a fire with it really easy.
tim pool
Oh, if you like heat the cotton up without oxygen, it turns black.
will chamberlain
Is this Survival Skills Day?
Is this really Luke Rudkowski cast?
unidentified
That's right.
lydia smith
That's what happened there.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
What's happening?
will chamberlain
Shim, you're losing your show.
unidentified
What's happening?
ian crossland
No, this is Shim cast.
I think they should teach kids code.
I mean, at this stage of the game.
Little kids should be learning that in second grade like a language.
tim pool
Tate Stories says a big promise Larry Elder made to the Sacramento Bee was to significantly reduce homelessness.
Do you think it's possible to really change the situation in California?
I absolutely do.
will chamberlain
Oh yeah, you just... jail.
tim pool
No, that won't work.
will chamberlain
No, sorry.
I just like saying jail is the solution to all these problems.
Right?
Right to jail.
tim pool
I'll tell you, everything they're doing isn't solving the problem.
And the best thing they've offered up is like, how about we build houses and put them in?
And I'm like, that won't solve the problem either.
It's a mental health crisis.
seamus coughlin
Imagine living in California and being like, we're just one more left-wing policy away from getting this right.
We're going to have the progressive utopia.
will chamberlain
Skid Row is so bad.
Have you been to Skid Row?
Anybody?
ian crossland
Yeah, I used to go down there.
tim pool
Yes, and it's not Skid Row anymore.
It's the whole city.
will chamberlain
Yeah, Skid City.
tim pool
It's Skid City, no joke.
Yeah, I wouldn't recommend anybody go there.
ian crossland
I used to hang out down there and pass out water bottles and talk to people.
I was thinking for a time, like 2007, I would start interviewing people and show their stories to the world, but they didn't want to do interviews for the most part.
will chamberlain
Their stories wouldn't be that...
Interesting.
ian crossland
Yeah, you catch the random homeless dude that gets a viral video, and then he makes a name for himself, makes money, gets a clean cut, gets a career, and it's like, I want that.
I want to help people do that.
But they weren't in the mind state for it.
unidentified
They didn't want to, yeah.
ian crossland
Not those guys that I met.
tim pool
All right, let's see what we got.
Ricky L Hendrick says, when I became my mother's legal guardian, she lost her right to vote.
At first, she could reason, but later on, couldn't.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
Interesting.
Yeah.
lydia smith
That is interesting.
I'm not sure how that works.
tim pool
Yeah.
All right.
Fetty says, Tim, you should look into Cardano's blockchain as a solution to land ownership.
It's already being talked about for the future governance for the future governance update.
Interesting.
I do have some Cardano.
I'm interested to see where they go.
It's interesting.
You know, Max Geiser is a Bitcoin maximalist.
He's like, Bitcoin is the best.
Everything else is trash.
And I'm like, Bitcoin is the best.
And I think other cryptos, you know, are typically just like investing in a company's project.
will chamberlain
I don't know why you're trying to, like, over... We actually have a very good system in the United States for, like, land title.
Like, we have a recorder, and it's the government does it, and they actually do a really good job with this particular job.
You know, it's one of the things we have and, like, places in Africa don't, and it's a huge problem when they don't have good title.
So, and it's not clear, like, what property belongs to whom.
And you have constant little disputes.
People don't invest their property.
Yeah.
We've solved this problem.
I don't know why you guys want to try and unsolve it and then solve it again on the blockchain.
tim pool
There are people who are like, blockchain.
And you're like, for what?
Because.
will chamberlain
But why?
tim pool
What if we did McDonald's on the blockchain?
unidentified
Oh.
What if?
tim pool
Like, what does that mean?
Like, it's an order on the blockchain.
Why would you need to?
will chamberlain
Like, you can do marriage law on the blockchain.
You can do your vows via the hash.
No, stop.
ian crossland
IPFS.
That's another... interplanetary file system.
will chamberlain
I'm a conservative, if that wasn't clear.
Yes, yes.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Aaron M says, going back to yesterday's stream about Asians and family, China had forms of polygamy until the mid 20th century.
Even in Hong Kong, my home, men are considered just being men if they have mistresses and wives just don't get caught.
Oh, well, there you go.
Alexander Scarpecci says, yes, Florida is very transparent with criminal records.
Criminal records are all available online through the county clerk website.
lydia smith
I knew it.
tim pool
Michael Bird says, would you rather be trapped in the Matrix or Lord of the Rings universe?
Would you rather have to write everything you say out by hand, or only be able to speak in rhymes?
will chamberlain
Matrix universe or Lord of the... so Matrix, well there's two possibilities right?
It's the Matrix, there's two Matrix, you know, in the Matrix or outside of it.
lydia smith
Right.
will chamberlain
I'd choose in the Matrix over the Lord of the Rings universe for sure.
Lord of the Rings had a lot, is more old-timey, which means a lot less modern convenience.
tim pool
I don't know, they have like magic and stuff.
lydia smith
That sounds fun.
ian crossland
Would you rather be red-pilled in the Matrix universe or in the Lord of the Rings universe?
tim pool
What does that mean?
seamus coughlin
What is being red-pilled in Lord of the Rings, bro?
will chamberlain
Sauron was right.
ian crossland
Red-pilled in the Matrix.
It was a leading question, Will.
will chamberlain
Sauron did nothing wrong.
ian crossland
The truth came out.
The two towers did not.
tim pool
And to be honest, you know what really gets me?
Elrond could have stopped Isildur.
He's standing right there.
Because what happened when Frodo and Sam were in Mount Doom?
It was Mount Doom, right?
Yeah.
He's like, why don't you do it?
And Frodo's like, no.
But then it's Gollum who comes.
seamus coughlin
Hold on, don't spoil it for those who haven't seen yet.
tim pool
It's Gollum who comes and they fight.
Gollum did what Elrond couldn't.
Now, granted, he wanted the ring for himself, but... It's that scene where he's like, cast it into the fire!
unidentified
Isildur!
tim pool
And he walks away.
It's like, dude, just walk up and just push him in.
seamus coughlin
But I also think he was already walking away from him, and he just put the ring on and go invisible, and there was nothing he could do.
unidentified
I think I'd rather be in the... matrix.
ian crossland
I say matrix, but then it's like you have robots trying to kill you all the time, and that's terrifying.
will chamberlain
Well, no, you just live in the matrix and be fine with that, right?
ian crossland
Well, I'm assuming you're unplugged at that point.
will chamberlain
Oh, I don't want to be unplugged in the matrix.
lydia smith
That... Sounds terrible.
will chamberlain
Sounds terrible.
ian crossland
You'd pick Lord of the Rings?
seamus coughlin
So you would rather not know?
will chamberlain
Yeah, like... You'd rather not know the nature of reality?
We got beat by the robots?
Like, that sucks.
I guess I'd rather be living in the reality they created for me.
How nice of them.
tim pool
Lord of the Rings is the correct answer.
seamus coughlin
No, it's not nice of them.
tim pool
Lord of the Rings is the correct answer.
lydia smith
Absolutely.
tim pool
Because I know that if I had the One Ring, I would be able to wield it.
seamus coughlin
That's true.
It would be a gift.
ian crossland
But what if you were just some cheap peasant, like in some hamlet in Lord of the Rings?
tim pool
If I saw that ring, I'd be like, I'm the one who can actually wield it.
I know.
lydia smith
Of course.
ian crossland
You'd be the one that would finally be able to handle it.
tim pool
I mean, it's obvious.
Yeah, absolutely.
unidentified
I don't care what, you know, Sauron or It's actually true.
seamus coughlin
I think Tim could... He's Frodo, dude.
ian crossland
I mean, no one can handle it, but someone might be able to handle it.
seamus coughlin
No, Frodo was not able to handle it.
ian crossland
Give it to him.
lydia smith
Only Tim.
tim pool
Don't compare Tim to Frodo.
And why shouldn't I have it?
lydia smith
That's right!
ian crossland
Uh oh.
I think I misspoke.
will chamberlain
Don't give him the ring.
tim pool
I would not want the ring.
That thing is cursed.
unidentified
It's beautiful.
ian crossland
What is the ring in modern, like, metaphor?
Is it the power of internet video?
I was trying to think of that.
seamus coughlin
I don't think that's what Tolkien had in mind.
ian crossland
Like, because you could make a video, if you're famous enough on YouTube, and tell a million people to do something, and they would do it.
will chamberlain
I think it's the moderation power.
That's what I think the ring is.
I think it would be like what YouTube and Twitter, you know.
They have the seven rings.
And we need to cast them into the fire by making platform access a civil right.
lydia smith
Oh, snap.
Look at that.
will chamberlain
Boom.
lydia smith
Circle's complete.
tim pool
Cast it into the fire.
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will chamberlain
Yeah, Will Chamberlain on Twitter and Facebook and also We've started the Will Chamberlain Show.
We're on episode three.
seamus coughlin
Good for you.
will chamberlain
2 p.m.
every day.
I'm doing about 45 minutes going through the news, half hour of, you know, just me talking, and then 15 minutes of going through chats.
I use StreamYard so I get to know all the different platforms we're currently using, but if you are interested in what I'm saying and enjoy it, then tune in at 2 p.m.
ian crossland
Are you allowed to give legal advice if people super chat you?
will chamberlain
No.
And I wouldn't want to because I would then be liable for malpractice.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
Every single time I ask one of my lawyer friends a question they're like, this is not legal advice, but...
will chamberlain
Right.
You are not my client.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
ian crossland
So it's Monday through Friday at 2 p.m.
on YouTube?
will chamberlain
Yep.
Monday through Friday.
unidentified
Yep.
seamus coughlin
It's on YouTube.
I have a second channel.
I have a channel called Freedom Tunes where I make animations and we're gonna be releasing one tomorrow that I think should be pretty funny dealing with old Governor Cuomo who we didn't really get into here but I think it'll be a good one.
Yeah.
tim pool
But not the one I wanted to do.
seamus coughlin
Well, we'll see.
We'll talk about it.
tim pool
The one that I want to do with Seamus is too dark.
It's not funny.
seamus coughlin
Maybe we'll do it someday.
tim pool
It's just because Cuomo killed all those people.
We brainstormed a session where you would be like, Seamus, I wanted to laugh and you made me cry.
Or not cry.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I can upload it.
Hey, if you're at patreon.com slash freedomsoons, we'll upload the footage of Tim and I improv-ing a different Cuomo video that was never made.
tim pool
No, I think we need to make it.
There's no words.
seamus coughlin
Okay, well, if you go to shimcast.com, maybe we'll put it up.
tim pool
Someone's gonna buy it.
ian crossland
Someone just bought it, yeah.
seamus coughlin
Alright, here's the thing.
Shimcast IRL is this.
So I want to thank you for watching Shimcast, my podcast.
Please, let's see if we got up to 10,000 likes.
tim pool
We did.
seamus coughlin
Good, good.
So this is... Epic hype, man.
tim pool
And you're not getting any of the superchats.
seamus coughlin
Not the best ranked episode.
Well, that's a little messed up.
It's literally my podcast.
Um, but thank you guys for coming on my show.
Yeah, Freedom Tunes.
Freedom Tunes.
Releasing a video tomorrow.
Go over there.
Subscribe.
Check us out at patreon.com slash freedom tunes and I'm on twitter at Seamus underscore Coughlin very easy to spell.
ian crossland
Thank you Thank you for having me Seamus. Yeah, always really fun
seamus coughlin
Of course will any time any time doors always open you were gonna say your YouTube channel name for your show
will chamberlain
What oh, yeah, it's a youtube.com slash human events. I'm currently doing it on the human events channel. So all
ian crossland
right events You know me you love me. Just kidding
unidentified
Can't decide what you love Uh, yeah.
ian crossland
Hit me up Ian Crossland.
lydia smith
That's right.
You guys should listen to Will's podcast because I used to listen to his live streams about lawyer stuff and I found them very interesting and educational because not many people know a lot about law, but he went to school for that.
So you guys can follow me at Sour Patch Lids on Twitter as I continue my pursuit of Sour Patch Kids and follower count.
tim pool
We're gonna talk about a bunch of spicy stuff now that YouTube doesn't allow us to talk about because they're jerks!
And they're scared.
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