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Timcast IRL - Cuomo Has RESIGNED, Newsom Is Next To Be Ousted w/Mikhaila Peterson
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tim pool
14 days to flatten a perf.
What I mean by that is, in 14 days, the resignation of Governor Andrew Cuomo will be official, the man is out, and good riddance.
Everybody is happy.
Literally everybody.
Even the people who pretended to be Cuomo-sexuals are pretending like they don't like Cuomo now, or I guess maybe they were pretending to have liked him in the first place.
But it's more than just his resignation.
He said he knew the writing was on the wall.
Democrats and Republicans wanted him out, so he decided to resign because he was facing impeachment.
He's actually facing arrest and criminal prosecution.
Recently, a sheriff came out and said, if these accusations, you know, have weight, we will arrest and charge Andrew Cuomo.
Now, that remains to be seen.
I mean, maybe he is resigning now because he's trying to get out while he still can, because he could potentially be arrested for some of these accusations.
And they're pretty nasty accusations, but I tell you what, the one thing that kind of bums me out, he's not resigning because he murdered all those old people, he's resigning because of the accusations from female staffers and stuff.
So, at the very least, you know what, it's a good thing that he's gone, so we'll definitely get into that.
We got a bunch of other stories to talk about the economy, and, uh, you know, we'll just have a good hangout because we're being joined by Michaela Peterson.
mikhaila peterson
Thank you so much for inviting me.
tim pool
Absolutely.
Do you want to introduce yourself?
mikhaila peterson
I'm Mikayla Peterson.
I have a podcast.
I'm probably more well known for my all-meat lion diet.
I'm Jordan Peterson's daughter.
I'm well known for that as well.
That's pretty good.
I have a YouTube channel, Instagram.
I'm really happy to be here.
I'm horrified by your Biden eating a child cartoon.
tim pool
You have to give credit for that one to George Alexopoulos, because we have Joe Biden for some reason eating a child.
And it's just, it's just, I think it's inspired by Junji Ito, the famous like Japanese manga horror novelist.
But it's, we've had one person who came in and was just like, this seems really, you know, like conspiratorial and creepy.
And I'm like, it's a, it's a gag.
Like we have a bunch of, we've got Snow White zombie apocalypse as well.
Like it's not, it doesn't mean anything.
It's just silly.
We have like a beautiful Aurora Borealis over there as well.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, that is out of place.
That is really out of place.
tim pool
You know, we like horror.
We have the other one with Trump and Rogan.
We took that one down a little while ago.
We rotated them, yeah.
But yeah, okay, so we'll talk about it.
We have a lot to talk about.
What's going on here?
ian crossland
What's up, dawg?
Good to see you, bro.
tim pool
Well, you've seen me yesterday.
ian crossland
It's just as good as it was yesterday.
Hey, thanks for coming.
I'm so glad.
I want to talk about diet, man, because this is what you're doing.
This is like the conversation I think we need to have as a society and a species with obesity running rampant and COVID, you know, attacking people with with obesity.
tim pool
It seems like 30, 30.2 percent of hospitalizations were due to obesity, says the CDC.
ian crossland
And you're on whatever you want.
I don't even know what you call it, but like a meat fast or whatever it is.
tim pool
I'll just clarify real quick.
They said people who got COVID and were obese, like 30% of those people who are hospitalized with COVID were obese.
I want to make sure I'm very clear.
ian crossland
I saw an article that said that it was China had recalled a bunch of ice cream because it the ice cream was contaminated with COVID.
It was like a Is that a joke?
No, it was an article.
It was like a Newsweek article or something crazy.
tim pool
Well, we'll get it on.
ian crossland
So, lives an animal fetton.
lydia smith
I'm also here in the corner.
I'm very excited to hear what Mikayla Peterson has to say because I've tried to go carnivore.
It's very challenging, but it sounds like I'm going to have to try it.
We'll see how we feel after today's show.
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That being said, let's jump into this first big story.
It is the end of Andrew Cuomo.
TimCast.com reports Cuomo quits.
Andrew Cuomo resigns as New York governor over a harassment scandal.
Now here's my favorite thing about this, right?
He's got all these women, I think 11 women now have accused him of impropriety.
One of them is actually a criminal complaint.
I think there may be another criminal complaint.
He could potentially get arrested over this.
The funniest thing was, and this is what I'm really fascinated by, I guess interestingly because of something your dad actually said, Michaela, Cuomo said he never felt he crossed the line with these women, but he didn't realize how far the line has actually moved.
So his argument is, touching a woman's face and shoulders and rubbing her elbow and all that stuff is totally fine and acceptable, but now you have these women actually coming out and saying, you crossed the line.
He's shocked by it.
Now he's resigning over it.
So there was an interview with Vice that Jordan Peterson had where he mentioned that men and women working in the workplace has been a disaster.
And I think what he meant by that was things like this.
I don't necessarily agree if I would use words that, you know, that strongly, but there is a good point to be made that the line is definitely not as easily seen, perhaps.
And maybe that's because people like Cuomo are old and disrespectful.
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
What do you guys think?
ian crossland
They used to smack each other in the movies, like in the fifties.
Guy, like, what's his name, would backhand a woman and it was like socially acceptable.
Crazy how things have changed.
mikhaila peterson
I feel it depends what you look like, too.
lydia smith
Yes, it does.
mikhaila peterson
I mean, maybe if you look like Cuomo, people are like, don't touch my elbow.
Like, I think that's a big part to play.
Is that what he got in trouble for?
Was it just, like, elbow touching?
Or was it something, like, more?
tim pool
Yeah, there's something more.
But, you know, if we say too much, YouTube will probably... Ah, okay.
lydia smith
Yeah.
mikhaila peterson
So it was a little bit more.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I think one of the accusations is legit, like, a criminal offense.
Yeah, and he might get arrested for it.
But hey, look, it isn't until proven guilty.
Here's the issue.
He admitted it.
Not the most egregious offense.
He's denied that.
But most women, like there's a photo of him holding a woman's face.
Like he's literally got his hands on the sides of her head.
And then she claimed he touched her inappropriately.
And Cuomo was like, I never touched her inappropriately.
And there's a photo of him literally holding the woman's head.
mikhaila peterson
And I'm like, that's not inappropriate.
That's really weird.
tim pool
I don't know, what year was it?
How old was this guy?
When he grew up it was like a normal thing for dudes to walk up to a woman and just grab their heads?
And that was like a sign of endearment or something?
Is that normal?
mikhaila peterson
I don't think the head grabbing thing was real.
I think like a hand around the waist when you're walking by or something if you're like an old dude or like on the shoulder or something.
Or like maybe on the side of the head.
I can see that coming from an old man who just doesn't know what things are like now.
But a face grab?
That's a little odd.
tim pool
Face grab.
Like two hands.
Yeah, two hands.
I think we talked about it on the show before, too, and we showed the photo and she's got this look on her face like, Dear Lord, help me, my face!
Yeah, like, the other best part about it is that when he was defending himself a few days ago, he plays this video where he's like, I do it to everybody!
If you're white, if you're black, if you're gay or straight, a man or a woman, and he's showing videos of him grabbing people's heads and like, I feel like that's fair then.
mikhaila peterson
He's like, it's just my thing.
unidentified
I don't know, man.
tim pool
Just because he does it to everybody, I don't think makes it any worse.
ian crossland
No, it doesn't make it any worse.
tim pool
It makes it worse.
mikhaila peterson
Oh, it makes it worse.
Okay.
ian crossland
I think it makes it worse.
mikhaila peterson
I think it makes it better.
Yeah, I mean, it's not good for him and it's probably not a good social thing to do as a person, but like, then it's, you're not special, ladies.
lydia smith
So wasn't his defense, um, I'm Italian?
Cause that seems like a terrible excuse.
mikhaila peterson
I feel like that's also, I feel like that's also a good excuse.
lydia smith
That's part of it.
That could be part of it.
mikhaila peterson
Like, I'm Italian.
I'm old and I do it to everyone.
ian crossland
Is that, can we confirm that, that he, that he said that?
It's not, don't blame me.
Blame the Italian, blame the Italian in me.
lydia smith
I know that he mentioned it.
I don't know if it was actually his defense that I was like, what dude?
I know Italians like to Yeah, I totally get that.
But it's like, I don't know, dude, that might be a little bit too much.
And if people are giving you signs, like as you're getting older, you need to be paying attention.
mikhaila peterson
Maybe you don't care though.
I mean, haven't you noticed like the older you get, the older you get, the less you care.
Can you imagine what happens when you hit like that age?
lydia smith
How old is he? 60.
tim pool
Yeah, he's over 60.
I guess he said, I'm an over 60 Italian-American male.
The Boston Globe says that is not a defense for harassment.
lydia smith
It's really not though.
mikhaila peterson
Okay.
lydia smith
But to be fair, things have definitely changed.
The lines have moved.
Like girls can now Take you in for anything like if you put I feel weird when people there put their hand on my waist I find that to be strange lower back Yeah, like lower back like I find that to be a little bit weird like please don't do that to me I feel like that's always made people feel a little weird though.
mikhaila peterson
I don't think that's I don't think the line like I can't I'm well sure I think it depends on how the guy looks I think you might be right about that too.
lydia smith
Like if you've seen that cartoon where it's like this really ugly guy and she's like, oh, it's sexual harassment.
And then the same thing happens with this really good looking guy.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah.
lydia smith
Oh, hey, what's going on?
You know, you go out for dinner or whatever.
It's totally different.
I don't know.
Women are really kind of strange and touchy now, too, though.
So it might be like way different, especially for Yeah.
mikhaila peterson
People have gotten touchier, for sure.
Women have always been strange, though.
ian crossland
Hands on the waist is like an act of opportunity for a guy, from my perspective.
It definitely is like you're crossing the line.
It feels like you're this wild beast.
I can't condone that.
How's raised though? So maybe that's why I think that we we have this the comment
tim pool
Yeah, it's it's this like suave looking guy with his hand his pocket
It's like looking good Susan and she says oh, you're so you're sweet
Yeah, and the next one is like a chubby portly guy and he says looking good Susan and she says hello human resources
The funny thing about this is mad magazine made a similar comic a long time ago
It was a Mad Look at Love or something like that.
I can't remember.
I remember reading it when I was a kid.
And it shows two beautiful looking people and they're like kissing in public.
mikhaila peterson
I think that's what I've seen.
tim pool
And then everyone's going like, awww.
And the next panel was two fat people doing it and everyone's like all angry.
There's something really interesting about it, though, when you mention, like, the hand on the back or whatever.
Like, is that sexual?
Is the man walking with the woman and, like, putting his hand on the small of her back and, like, guiding her forward, is he doing that as some kind of, like, perverse or sexual action?
mikhaila peterson
I wouldn't say, I don't know, perverse, but I would say if, like, whenever that's been done to me, I've been, like, I get that kind of like, what's going on thing.
Yeah, it's not like, you know, maybe upper back, maybe that's like kind of guiding, but anything like lower back, I at least have the bodily response of like, okay, what's happening here?
lydia smith
And I think that's because that's not often touched.
And I think that's just the bottom line.
Putting your hands on someone's face, to me, that's really weird.
Like, that's a strange crossing.
mikhaila peterson
If you put your hand on someone's face... 60-year-old Italians, though, all the time.
lydia smith
I don't know, man.
I don't know.
unidentified
Cuomo grabbing some lady's head.
ian crossland
I mean, you can handshake is fine.
A high five is cool.
unidentified
A hug, if you both like, want to.
lydia smith
So there are different ways that you can hug somebody too.
Like you don't usually, you don't usually hug a guy like full on, up front, up close.
Hug him like a triangle or whatever, whatever you want to do or on one side.
mikhaila peterson
How do you hug like a triangle?
lydia smith
You just, like, keep your lower bodies apart.
tim pool
It's not crazy.
mikhaila peterson
Oh, yeah, okay, okay.
lydia smith
We have the photo.
tim pool
It's not like he's grabbing her head, but he's got his hands, like, under her, on her neck.
And he's holding her up.
But he's got this weird lip biting thing going on.
mikhaila peterson
At the same time?
tim pool
Yeah.
mikhaila peterson
That's the line.
unidentified
He looks really creepy.
tim pool
And the woman's face, she's like, wow, man.
ian crossland
You know, what bothers me about this is that people are, it feels like people are piling on.
I don't like this, this behavior where one person comes out and is like, he, he aggressed on me.
And then, and then two more and then three more.
And then all of a sudden there's 11 people.
And, like, I don't want to set a precedent or continue a precedent that it's okay to pile on.
tim pool
Well, why not though?
I mean, look, if these women are scared to speak up because he's powerful, he's Cuomo, and then one woman finally says, look what he did, and then another woman feels comfortable now because she feels she wouldn't be alone in this, like someone broke the barrier so that others could come forward, then it comes out like a dam breaking.
ian crossland
Right.
mikhaila peterson
It's tricky because sometimes you have that for popularity, right?
Like, oh, it also happened to me, and then you get Your name in the news, and so.
lydia smith
Hashtag me too, yeah.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, kinda like that.
But also I think just as human beings, especially if they're not outspoken ones, it's really hard to be the first to do something.
And so you could easily be being like, well maybe I'm the only one, no one's gonna believe me, maybe it'll just go away, type of thing.
Although if it's just like a hand, a head hold.
So here's like, there's something- Like it's not, yeah.
Although there's worse, apparently.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
There is something interesting here, though, that I think we need to consider when it comes to men and women working in the same place.
I don't think there will ever be a circumstance where there could be true social equality in the sense, not like workplace, like career or revenue, but just what you can or cannot say to a man or woman will never be equal, right?
What two men can say to each other, they will never be allowed to say between a man and a woman.
What two women can say to each other, they can't say to men.
So one example would be like, the one I always give is if two guys are like, you know, coming into work.
One guy's in the elevator and then the other guy walks in and he goes, oh damn, that's a new suit, huh?
Man, you get that tailored?
You're looking cut.
So you got a new haircut too, man.
Punches him in the shoulder or pats him on the shoulder.
Or what if he says like... Sup, sexy?
unidentified
High fives?
tim pool
Yeah, absolutely.
I say that, that's what I say.
Yeah, yeah.
But I think the issue of complimenting a guy's new tailored suit, like, wow, Jim, new suit, looking killer!
That is amazing!
You get that specially done?
Plus the haircut, man, it's working really well.
That's like a guy complimenting, being like, you're looking sharp, man, totally fine.
Now imagine the woman walks in wearing a dress, whoa!
Did you get that dress tailored?
That is looking sharp!
Wow, I love what you're doing with this, look.
ian crossland
The sirens are going off.
tim pool
All of a sudden, it's like, whoa.
mikhaila peterson
Does it depend?
Okay, I agree.
First of all, I agree and I think for the majority of women it would be weird.
I think that there are certain types of personalities that would be able to work with men.
I don't think it's the average woman though.
I'm kind of in agreement there.
I think there's, well, like obviously men and women can work together but there's going to be some weird dynamic and you're going to be like, is this going to be offensive or how is this going to be taken?
What can I say exactly?
I personally, I'll tell people this, so I have a team of people.
Everybody who works for me right now are men.
And I used to, my best friend used to work with me, and she's a girl.
And that was fine, but we're like very similar people, pretty disagreeable, and I could tell her whatever, and she's not offended by anything.
But I've noticed if I hire someone and they're female, I have to be careful about how I talk to them, even giving criticism.
I feel like, and maybe it's me, but I feel like I have to be a little bit nicer, a little bit more gentler.
Whereas with a dude, I can be like, can you just not do this again?
And they're like, yeah, no problem.
Won't do it again.
But if it's female, I'm like, okay, you did this a little bit wrong.
Here's how to do it a little bit better.
Overall, you're doing a great job.
Everything's fine.
Please don't be upset.
tim pool
No, this is really interesting.
I remember reading there was a study about gender discrimination in the workplace that found female bosses are equally as likely to discriminate as a male boss.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, maybe, if not more.
But it was just equal?
tim pool
I think it said something like it was equals likely.
Like it, the issue wasn't, um, the, the gender, the, the gender of the boss, the issue was the behavior of the employees.
And then there was like a tendency among women, like more agreeableness and things like that, which resulted in the more like executive stern types to behave in a specific way that was not related to, to gender or, you know, whatever.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah.
That doesn't surprise me at all.
I think a lot of that's personality.
lydia smith
Yeah, and I think you're completely right because I am, like you said, I am the kind of person who wants to know how I can improve, not just that I did something wrong.
So please, like, give me positive feedback and be like, all right, so you did well with this, did well with this, this needs work, and this is fine.
So I think that that management style of, like, two, you know, a positive, negative, and positive, like the sandwich, is very much like a feminine thing and trying to protect Yeah.
mikhaila peterson
I think that's a good management style anyway.
It just takes more effort than just being like, look, I don't, I like you as a person.
It's not offensive.
It's just, can you fix this next time?
lydia smith
Right.
mikhaila peterson
And then instead of having somebody's soul crushed.
ian crossland
Do you think that behavior transcends gender?
Because I know Jordan talks a lot about this.
I mean, I'm obsessed with that guy.
What's up, dude?
That men and women have intrinsic behavioral patterns.
Not that every woman has it, but that women are more nurturing and men are more into things.
Women are more into people.
But it's not always the case.
Obviously, there are people that transcend that dichotomy.
And I wonder if, you know, especially with the what were the age of like a thousand genders and
heteronormativity and what do you call it? Postmodernism.
Like maybe there's something, maybe we're all becoming like genderless, you know, babies
in test tubes.
tim pool
I don't think so.
I mean, I think society is changing in a way that encourages certain behaviors and stuff, but testosterone plays a role, man, in a lot of things.
mikhaila peterson
I think people are getting sicker, and that's part of the problem.
ian crossland
Interesting.
mikhaila peterson
Like, I think that if you're on, I mean, I don't know what percentage of the population is on some sort of, like, psych med at the moment, or on Yeah, and since COVID it's gotten worse and those things have, like, they make people different than they are.
So I think people, like, obviously people are getting sick.
One in five people have an autoimmune disorder.
People are gaining weight, like, mad and I think that comes with mental problems and I think that screws up your behavior, including probably the more normal, like, feminine and masculine behavior.
tim pool
It's interlinked, I think.
I think people who are living unhealthy lives are more likely to have some kind of illness that requires medication, which then in turn creates this cycle of addiction and endless ailment, I suppose.
I want to loop back to this other story we have, because I think that will lead us into a bigger conversation about diet and health and stuff that I want to save for a little bit.
Because we have this story that beautifully jumps us into how critical race theory is... I shouldn't say critical race theory, but...
Critical gender theory, critical race theory, and wokeism, it's manifesting in society.
So as we're talking about like Cuomo and women and stuff and these dynamics, we have this story.
Nick Cannon calls having children with one woman a Eurocentric concept.
The TV presenter has seven children with four different women.
So perhaps he's only saying that because he's non-monogamous, but they say, Wow, I didn't know that about him.
Mixolydian and Zillion heir with Abby de la Rosa on June 14th His son Zen whom he shares with model Alyssa Scott was born
nine days after Zillion and Zion Additionally Kenan welcomed daughter powerful Queen back in
December with Brittany Bell with whom he also shares four-year-old son golden
Kenan is also dad to ten-year-old twins son Moroccan and daughter Monroe with ex-wife Mariah Carey says People
Magazine Well, I didn't know that about him. Holy moly
Yeah, so when pressed about having multiple children with so many women Kenan said monogamy was a euro centric
concept just to classify property
Just like the idea that a man should have one woman, we shouldn't have anything.
I have no ownership over this person.
If we're really talking about how we coexist and how we populate, it's about what exchange can we create together.
Those women and all women are the ones that open themselves up to say, I would like to allow this man in my world and I will birth this child, so it ain't my decision, I'm just following suit.
This is amazing.
I mean, he's basically absolving himself of some responsibility when it comes to having these kids in a way that we're probably not used to.
I hear from people all the time, the dude will say something like, we're pregnant.
Like, referring to him and his significant other.
But you hear that a lot.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, I know, but it's kind of repulsive.
I'm like, no?
We're pregnant?
Fuck you.
Have you been pregnant?
You're not pregnant.
tim pool
I guess.
But the point is, at least the guy is saying, this is something we're doing together.
This is him being like, hey, they want to have kids, don't look at me.
mikhaila peterson
Yes, yes.
I see where you're coming from.
Monroe is a great name for a girl.
That wasn't what you were looking at for a comment, but... Interesting names, right?
lydia smith
Powerful queen.
mikhaila peterson
I feel like, though, to be fair for Nick Cannon, like he probably, he must have had discussions with these women that was like, this is who I am and I'm, this is how your life is going to be.
Do you want to do this?
And they still were like, yes.
So do you think, or was he just like, by the way, you're nine months pregnant.
There's two other people who are also eight, seven months pregnant.
tim pool
Come on, like, hold on.
He had a kid in December.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah.
tim pool
Now he's having another kid, like, they must know, I guess.
lydia smith
I guess, right?
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, they must know because she would have been visibly pregnant unless, they must know, unless he hid, I don't, I don't have no idea.
tim pool
I think, you know, what it may be is that in the modern world of feminism, these women have the means to take care of themselves.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah.
tim pool
So they're less concerned about whether or not there's going to be a dad who's going to be paying for and supporting the family.
ian crossland
The Catholic Church.
I see where they're saying about the Eurocentric thing is because like the Catholic Church is big on monogamy.
And I don't know if they were doing it for control, or if they wanted the man to stay with the woman to raise the family.
But like when you look at the Muslim faith, they would have a guy would have like seven wives.
lydia smith
Yeah, but in the Muslim world, the man is still a part of the family.
Like, you have more than one wife, but it becomes like a big family, and you're there and taking care of them and all the kids, right?
Am I crazy?
mikhaila peterson
Well, theoretically, that's what we're told.
tim pool
I just want to point out, people in Asia get married.
This is the problem with this critical race theory stuff.
It's just a lie, an excuse for whatever behavior they're engaging in that they want an excuse to engage in.
So, sure, if it is like monogamy is the traditional or social norm, and now you're trying to not do that, so you just blame Eurocentric, you know, Eurocentrism or whatever.
It's like, Asians got married, and they're very family-oriented, you know, the kids... How long have they been getting married for?
In Asia?
mikhaila peterson
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't know the history, but I do know that, you know, just think about the concept of arranged marriages, for instance, that go back thousands of years.
ian crossland
I think they would have concubines in Asia.
So they would have one wife and then like seven concubines.
And it'd be women that they just had sex with and had kids with.
tim pool
No, I think certainly people do that.
ian crossland
That was an Asian cultural thing.
And like the Mongols would have concubines, they would have lots of What do you guys think about monogamy in general?
around it by saying, you know, she's just my side.
tim pool
Right. But there are Asian cultures that are very family oriented.
They were very like, you know, they had these these these ideas
of, you know, different clans would would come together.
Different families, essentially.
ian crossland
What what do you guys think about monogamy in general?
Like, is it the way of the future?
tim pool
I think two parents is scientifically, if you look at most of the data proven to help
raise kids better, I suppose.
Or I suppose it should be the standard, and kids who don't have two parents in the house end up doing poorly, more likely to do drugs, more likely to go to jail.
So I think that's important.
But ultimately, I think there's a lot of people... We've got to make sure we don't fall into the trap of, this is the way it's always been, so this is the way we must keep doing it.
We need to make sure that we're constantly looking at what actually helps and benefits society.
Now we know two parents does.
So it's a problem then when you see Black Lives Matter say that we want to disrupt the nuclear family.
We don't want kids with single parents.
The data shows that's really bad for them.
So I don't know if... I would say monogamy is a path towards that.
But I don't know, man.
We're a perpetually libertarian society in a way.
We've got this weird authoritarianism which is more disruptive of tradition as opposed to being pro-freedom.
So I don't know ultimately what happens, but I can say I think the direction the critical race theorists, critical gender theorists want to go would be more destructive, whether you're for or against monogamy.
ian crossland
Native Americans, I think, They may not be the Native Americans, but there were tribes, I think, where the whole tribe would raise all the kids.
Because the guys would have sex with all the women.
None of the women knew who the father was.
So they would collectively raise all the children together.
lydia smith
That's interesting.
I never heard that.
To me, that almost sounds a little bit like a communistic way to raise children.
It's like when Hillary Clinton was saying it takes a village to raise a child.
That's a little bit strange to me.
And Ian, you mentioned the church and that's interesting to me as well because the way I was raised, we were taught that Christ is the head of the church and treated the church as his wife.
So it was like a big, it's literally like a big family, but it wasn't like that communistic raising of the kids.
It was like a structure for the way that the family should be.
Mom, dad, kids.
And it was like really simple, really fundamental, really basic, and we can see that that's a good way to raise kids, is to have both parents in the home, they need to be together, it needs to be structural.
I'm hugely in favor of monogamy, if possible.
tim pool
Yeah, but I think everything's just falling apart.
lydia smith
Well, yeah, that's true.
mikhaila peterson
I think everything's falling apart.
I've always wondered, so there's studies on monogamy, not to be like the anti-monogamy person, because I'm not, but the studies on monogamy showing two-parent households lead to like more success for your children.
People who end up splitting up also aren't as well generally speaking right?
So like are all those studies controlling for like IQ and mental illness and things?
Because you could say I mean if you're gonna have two people who are not doing well in the same house Yeah.
but would be doing better apart, I would argue that it's better to have both parents happy
than have them arguing in the same house.
But so I just I don't know how the studies were done and then were there studies before
when monogamy wasn't the main thing?
tim pool
I think I would I would assume they account for something like this but it is a good point.
mikhaila peterson
I doubt it.
All these scientific studies that I've read, like, there's such glaring flaws.
I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't account for something.
Well, IQ.
I mean, no one accounts for IQ anymore.
Anyway.
tim pool
Yeah.
I mean, it's a good point, though, if, like, the mom is on drugs and the dad isn't.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, then it's like, yeah.
tim pool
The kid would do a lot better.
Yeah.
Although, I guess you run into the risk then of divorce courts favoring women.
There was an old case that I read about years and years ago where a man divorced his wife because she was doing drugs.
And then when they went to court, the court sided with the mom.
And even though he was like, you can't give my kids this woman, she's doing drugs.
And then she ended up killing them somehow.
mikhaila peterson
Holy shit.
tim pool
Yeah, it was some negligence or something.
She was drugged and, you know, the young kids ended up dying somehow.
I can't remember the exact story.
I mean, you can probably Google something like that.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, well, divorce court is a whole nother thing, right?
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, you get the... MGTOW got banned on Reddit.
What?
So you'll get all those.
You know MGTOW?
mikhaila peterson
Really?
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, they got banned on Reddit a few weeks ago.
So, you know, when you mention all this stuff, it's a legitimate problem.
mikhaila peterson
I didn't know they got banned on Reddit.
unidentified
That's intense.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, well, the censorship, it's, uh, they're, they're, they're homogenizing their view of what they want the culture to be.
So they're excising portions one at a time, you know?
ian crossland
Yeah.
The legality of marriage is very weird because marriage, the word means to mix.
So like two people spending a lot of time together, mixing their energy or essentially in a form of marriage, whether the law says it or not, doesn't really matter.
lydia smith
Yeah, so that's like a common-law marriage.
It's something like seven years with the same person.
mikhaila peterson
Oh, in Canada it's a lot shorter.
I thought it was like, this is gonna be wrong, but it's two or three if you're living in the same household in Ontario anyway.
Yeah, it's pretty fast.
And I'm pretty sure if you split up after that, if you've been living together, then you still have court to deal with.
Even though you're not, yeah.
ian crossland
What if you're just roommates?
mikhaila peterson
No, no, no.
You have to be in a relationship.
ian crossland
Like you have to declare it?
tim pool
Yeah, but what if they say that you are?
mikhaila peterson
It's iffy.
I would assume that that's still okay.
I mean, when you're filling out taxes and things, you can put yourself as common law.
So if you started filling that in, then maybe that might screw you out over in the future.
But it's short.
I think it's three years.
ian crossland
Dude.
tim pool
So I look at the monogamy and polyamory thing and polygamy thing, I guess?
ian crossland
Polygamy.
tim pool
People talking about marrying multiple women?
I don't know about that.
But we're seeing a lot of these memes now where it's like one woman and like five guys.
Like, I don't know, you see them on Reddit.
mikhaila peterson
You mean the one when she's on the couch?
lydia smith
No, that's a different one.
Slightly different.
tim pool
Yeah, different one.
But we know that one.
lydia smith
We're all familiar with that one.
tim pool
There's memes of like, it'll be like four dudes on a couch and they all have their arms around like the one woman.
And it's talking about like, you know, polyamorous relationships and things like that.
lydia smith
Very unattractive people.
tim pool
Regardless of whatever, there's a few things to say.
One, not all change is good.
Not all change is bad.
But I definitely think this is just a sign of things falling apart.
Like, to have kids with a bunch of different women and be like, well, you know, they wanted to do it.
It's like, yeah, but I'm sure he's still going to be there raising his kids, but he's taking a lot of kids in a lot of different places.
And he's not going to be able to provide the same kind of leadership that somebody who is, you know, in a family with kids will be.
And more to the point, I'm just saying, it's just another sign of, I think we're facing, we were facing for a long time, cultural stagnation.
Movies were reboots, comics, everything.
It was just regurgitated garbage, lowest common denominator.
And now it's cultural decay.
It's just, the movies are getting worse.
mikhaila peterson
Have you seen Warrior, the TV show?
tim pool
No, is it good?
mikhaila peterson
It's so good.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
ian crossland
What is it?
mikhaila peterson
It's about, sorry to interject, it's about San Francisco and the Triads in the 1800s.
It's like a cowboy western, but it's Asian people.
It's epic.
tim pool
Warrior.
mikhaila peterson
Other than that, society's over.
tim pool
Electric Dreams, I've been talking about.
I just watched that.
I think it's a couple years old.
I'm not sure.
A year old?
Yeah, it's Philip K. Dick.
Like, that's cool.
I like that.
They adapted the book into, you know, or stories into these episodes of the show.
It's kind of like Black Mirror.
It's a pretty good show.
It's like an anthology.
I'm not saying there's nothing good happening.
It's just like... Just Warrior.
There was a period where we made new things.
You know, we wrote Christmas music, and then we played them over and over again.
Then it got to a point where, a few years ago, I was like, everything's stagnant.
We're rebooting movies, we're remaking comic books, Spider-Man 12, you know, we just keep doing it over and over and over again.
The same thing instead of making new things.
Now we're at the point where they're starting to regurgitate the same content, but in worse, worse ways.
Like, the movies, you know, get well, go broke, as people often bring up when it comes to video games, movies.
They'll try to redo Ghostbusters.
And this is where the regurgitation becomes from stagnation to decay.
mikhaila peterson
I see.
ian crossland
We should call it us.
The second harvest of the film industry.
And that comes from the Native Americans when they would have like a famine.
They would eat the seeds and then they would poop them out and then sift through it and wash them off and eat them again.
lydia smith
That sounds like where we're at.
mikhaila peterson
Is that true?
ian crossland
Yeah, the second harvest.
tim pool
So we're going to jump to this story, get what go broke, because this is a good example.
We got the story from Yahoo, Washington Examiner.
Subway franchisees want to drop Megan Rapinoe's new ad amid Olympic controversy.
I think this is a really good example of cultural and political decay.
Not only that, it's a get-woke-go-broke, right?
So the Subway has that commercial with Megan Rapinoe and she kicks the sandwich at some guy and he catches it.
Something like that.
I don't know.
It's one of those ridiculous... Yeah, the Subway sandwich.
But then she kneels at the Olympics.
And that's a very overtly political move and gesture which puts you at odds with half the country.
If you don't kneel, nobody cares.
If you do kneel, you've made half the country angry.
So now the Subwise... The Subway franchisees are saying that they're going to be losing money.
Let me read the story and then we'll get into it.
From the Examiner, they say, Subway... Subway.
unidentified
You did it.
tim pool
I keep doing it again.
lydia smith
You got this.
tim pool
Subwise.
Samwise Gamgee.
Subway franchisees are in discussions to drop Team USA soccer star Megan Rapinoe from a new ad amid her national anthem protest at the 2020 Olympic Games in Tokyo.
Rapinoe, who signed with the company as a spokeswoman this spring, regularly pushes her political views, usually calls for equal rights and an end to the gender pay gap.
These views are getting in the way of the company's reputation and sales, some of the store owners argued during a discussion forum last month.
At the event hosted by the North American Association of Subway Franchisees, franchisees discussed removing Rapinoe from a new ad where she kicks a soccer ball at a person holding a burrito, citing complaints they have received from their customers about her.
Boycott Subway until Subway fires the anti-American Megan Rapinoe, the creep who kneels for our beloved national anthem, a Wisconsin store operator read from a note a customer taped to the glass door of his restaurant.
The ad should be pulled and done with, the franchisee subsequently argued.
It gets tiring apologizing.
The subway company doesn't own any of its nearly 22,000 stores, but charges franchisees 4.5% of their revenue for the use of its brand and national advertising campaigns.
These campaigns, an Arizona franchisee argued at the forum, should use the revenue to advertise the product, not politics.
Spending our money to make a political statement is completely and totally out of bounds.
So here's what I see with this.
It is pop culture for half the country to do these things.
The politics are mostly meaningless.
Like, they often don't mean anything.
What is kneeling in the Olympics?
What does it mean?
What is it doing?
What is it representing?
You're not conveying a strong idea.
It's just a general protest move.
It's not advancing any cause other than corporate politics, I suppose, and signaling to half the country that you agree with some kind of view of the country or whatever.
Very much in line, typically, with critical race-applied principles, things like the 1619 Project, which are, to me, signs of cultural and political decay in this country.
Then you can see how it's affecting business.
They're losing money now because of it.
So it's enterprise.
Now businesses are starting to hurt because of the weird things people are doing.
I think the country is split apart in a bunch of different ways.
I think culturally, this is the best we have to offer.
Like, okay, this is a person on TV who cares about their politics.
Now the business are getting hurt by it.
This just says to me that we've gone from stagnation To decay.
The businesses lose money, I mean, you can't do it.
Get well, go broke.
We knew that something like that would happen.
Now they're complaining about it.
What do we do?
Do we reverse course and say, we're Americans, we love America?
Or do we keep propping up celebrities who, for pop culture points, virtue signal about how America is evil or some other garbage?
ian crossland
I think it's the fuel.
I think it's the food.
I mean, I don't think you can like... Garbage in, garbage out.
Yeah, you can't make people change.
You have to change the environment that they exist within.
tim pool
Well, you can make people change, but it's not like to go up to a person and be like, stop doing that.
It's to be like, here's the thing we're doing that works.
Maybe it'll work for you.
You know what I mean?
mikhaila peterson
I think you have to start making patriotism cool for young people.
Like, it looks like a lot of these ideas travel bottom up.
Like, if your parents are telling you something, you're just like, screw off.
Right?
But if it comes slowly from the bottom, and the problem right now is with elementary schools and what they're teaching there, it starts at the bottom and it just ruins society on the way up.
That's what I think.
So then how do you change that?
tim pool
It's, imagine you got a Jenga tower, and at the very bottom, they're chipping away at those Jenga blocks, and everything else is gonna come crashing down when they do this stuff, and we're seeing the ramifications of that.
So, but I think it's a little, I think it's, I think the stagnation of our culture is an important point to bring up in this context.
Just that, at a certain point, people started resting on the laurels of their ancestors.
You know, I guess it's like good times make weak men, as the saying goes, right?
So what happens when you have a horrible, barren wasteland of a country, and in order to survive, you strive and work hard, and you're sweating and working nonstop, you create wealth and luxury.
Then your kids grow up knowing wealth and luxury, but the hard work that, as you tell them, and the work they do by the third generation.
It's like they say, you know, wealth lasts three generations.
So I don't, it's almost like the fourth turning, I suppose.
We're at this point now where Yeah.
These kids haven't experienced any hardship.
Yeah.
They have no reason to support the flag or the country or the troops or anything.
They're just like, this country sucks, it's evil, I hate it, I'm mad.
And now from the bottom up, the kids are salty.
And then what happens? Everything falls from, you know, from the top.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, and then I think usually when, I don't know if the world's been in a similar situation,
but I think usually when a society falls and there's this huge war,
then you have that repeat again, right?
When I was in, I was in Serbia last year and they were just in a war, with you guys I believe, in the 90s.
Oh yeah.
Sounds right, yeah.
Yeah and um they were like there's still bombed buildings there and so everyone there when COVID hit they're like yeah we just we were just in the 90s we're not doing this like we're not doing the same thing as everybody else we're not shutting down like everyone else and there were riots and things because people still remembered how it was Wow.
Because they've experienced hardship.
Like everyone there, someone was injured or like they remember it.
And here it's been decades since there was Vietnam War or some sort of war or something really dramatic.
And now we have COVID, which is pretty dramatic for people.
It's wrecked a lot of people's lives, killed a lot of people.
And so there's this, we're in this like turning point where are we going to end up, you know, coming together or is everything just going to crumble forever?
ian crossland
How do you introducing this to your kid?
mikhaila peterson
I teach this teacher that most people are really stupid, right?
Like, she's in Montessori daycare and some kid went up to her the other day and was like, you shouldn't eat meat, you know, because it comes from animals and that's bad.
And I was just like, those people don't know how to eat.
Like, lots of people don't know how to eat.
Like, their parents didn't teach them they don't know how to eat.
Like, they're a lot of stupid people.
They're gonna bug you.
She's like, yeah, okay.
Yeah, we've had some... I have a funny story actually.
So she came home and some little boy came up to her and was telling her she wasn't allowed to draw.
And I was with my dad at dinner.
And I was like, okay, you can ignore those people.
Just tell them to bug off.
I was like, just tell them to bug off because there are a lot of annoying people.
They'll bug you.
You're allowed to draw if you're allowed to draw.
And my dad came in and was like, just sock them.
Just sock him.
And I was like, that's fine.
That's what he taught me when I was in kindergarten was just like, I never socked anybody in kindergarten.
But like, just sock the biggest kid or if anyone bugs you, sock them.
So he's teaching my four-year-old to punch.
So we're teaching and I was like, okay, that's fine.
Like, you know, she can tell we're joking.
unidentified
Maybe.
mikhaila peterson
She's four.
And so it was literally the next day she came back and she's like, I punched somebody.
And I was like, oh my god, we have, like, this was supposed to be a joke and now, like, you got into a physical fight at school and you're four.
But it turns out the little boy came over, the same one that told her not to draw, and pushed her.
And she punched him back.
And I was like, okay, in that case, good for you.
Self-defense.
Yeah.
unidentified
That's my funny story.
tim pool
I was worried your dad was trying to radicalize children into violence, you know?
But I'm glad it was just a joke.
unidentified
No.
mikhaila peterson
It was a joke, but she took it seriously.
Yeah.
unidentified
Good for her.
ian crossland
Did he ever beat up a bully growing up?
mikhaila peterson
My dad?
ian crossland
Yeah.
mikhaila peterson
I don't think so, no.
He was pretty small.
Like, he's tall now, he's 6'2".
But he was, uh, he skipped a grade, so he was a year younger than everybody, so he was the one who was bullied.
unidentified
Right.
mikhaila peterson
And he was super mouthy, so he was really bullied.
ian crossland
If I could do it all again, if I was four, I'd jack him in the face.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, yeah, so no.
tim pool
No, no, no.
Violence, violence.
unidentified
No, no, no.
ian crossland
But what do you think when a bully attacks a kid?
Is the kid justified in fighting back?
mikhaila peterson
Self-defense, I guess.
Yeah, 100%.
Otherwise, you're also going to get bullied forever.
Like, I have friends and they go to a teacher or something, they do it that way.
And then you just get picked on forever.
I got picked on a few times and I switched into like, if you do that again, I'll break your nose because I know how to break noses.
It was very dramatic, but it was like, okay.
And that stops things right away.
But if it's like, oh no, like don't do that, or go talk to an adult, you're just going to get tortured throughout high school.
So yeah, self-defense for sure.
tim pool
I mean, if you have the, there's this, there's two really great videos.
They're both from martial artists giving advice.
And one guy has this great video where he's like, the ultimate technique to win any fight.
And everyone's like crowding on, all these students want to hear from the martial arts master of this ultimate technique.
And then he's like, this one move will guarantee you will win any fight.
And then he stands there, and then as soon as they say, fight, he turns around and runs, and he's like, ah!
He just runs away.
And then everyone starts laughing and clapping, and he's like, any fight you get out of, unscathed, is a fight you've won.
You know, and he's less crude, but it's like the saying goes, you know, if you get into a pissing contest, you just get covered in piss.
So, you get into a fight with somebody, you're gonna get hurt.
If you have the opportunity not to, to avoid it somehow, and that includes getting picked on all the time, you have to.
But, if you're in a position where someone's attacking you, you need to defend yourself.
mikhaila peterson
I don't know if I agree with that.
Like, people get tortured throughout high school.
Some people are just, like, picked on and picked on and picked on, and their entire social circle falls, and they end up as the outcast.
I think if you're in that kind of situation, you end up punching someone who's picking on you.
I think that's the way to go.
tim pool
But I think we're saying—we're not necessarily disagreeing—if you are defending yourself from someone attacking you, like, you have to defend yourself.
mikhaila peterson
But even if it's attacking with words?
tim pool
What do you mean?
mikhaila peterson
Well, I mean, picking on... I don't mean picking on physically.
I mean, like, I went to an art school.
Nobody fought anybody there.
But there was a lot of bullying over social media or just in person or behind your back.
I don't know.
I think, like, a solid... That's how I manage.
Close your eyes.
It's like, I'll hit you if you keep doing this.
tim pool
I love that... What was it?
Tyler the Creator?
I can't remember.
Where he was like, how is cyberbullying a real thing?
Like, just close your eyes.
Just, like, turn the screen off.
mikhaila peterson
You can't, though.
Not with social media now.
I mean, we're live.
tim pool
I mean, dude, if I engaged with every nasty thing someone said about me online, I wouldn't have a job.
I'd be too busy having to go through it.
I'd just ignore it all.
ian crossland
I'd just turn it off.
mikhaila peterson
That's fair, but high school?
ian crossland
Yeah, because then you'll go into school.
On Monday, and then people, if you hear them whispering about you, I've never experienced that.
mikhaila peterson
As a girl, no, but I think it's a different level as a girl.
I really do.
Like, I don't think, I think that men are more likely to get into physical fights and women are more likely to destroy your life by forming little posses and being like, oh yeah, this person slept with that person, even if you didn't.
Like, it gets mean and dark and can, like, destroy you.
tim pool
I think you just gotta be above it.
mikhaila peterson
I think, you know, I always, I would have, I would have... I think you haven't been a high school girl.
tim pool
I mean, he's not.
I haven't, but here's what I would explain to my friends, right?
There were people who would fart in class and then turn blush red and everyone would
start laughing at them and pointing, like, eh, you farted, and they'd be like, shut up,
no I didn't, shut up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then there were the other people more like me who would, hey, hey, Ian, and laugh,
and everyone would be like, oh, you're a jerk.
I'm like, I don't care, I do whatever I want.
You can't make fun of me because I don't care about what you think.
So if you go into school and you're worried about what everyone's thinking about you, you're the person who farts and then gets embarrassed.
mikhaila peterson
Okay, we're on the same page then, here.
Because how I countered bullying from women was not only doing the not caring, but also addressing it.
Being like, don't talk shit about me unless you want to fight.
Like, seriously, straight up.
So it wasn't I think that's a similar page, but like shirking away from it and ignoring it certainly didn't work with women.
tim pool
I just kind of feel like right now, you know, I've dealt with this.
A lot of people have dealt with this.
A lot of people get so stressed, you know, working in politics and culture, being online.
It's endless harassment.
I mean, the death threats and the creepy comments and just the insanity.
And I'm just like, I don't care, dude.
You know, sit in your little room, say whatever you want to say.
I just don't care.
I'm going to keep doing my thing.
And you know what?
It's like, I guess eventually it could be a horde of zombies piling up in front of, you know, my car and then my car stops.
That's okay.
Well, I guess it happened, but I see all these lies, all these, all the, all the manipulation, all the lies, all the smears.
I'm just like, dude, I don't know you and I don't care what you think.
And you are free to hate me.
You know, it's like, I get, I get journalists being like, so-and-so made this accusation about you.
And I'm like, So-and-so can call me whatever they want.
They're allowed to believe whatever they want to believe.
I don't care.
ian crossland
Did it go on for like 10 years or 15 years though?
tim pool
What do you mean?
ian crossland
The abuse, the bullying, people talking?
tim pool
Bro, it has been a decade of me doing public political work.
ian crossland
Well, not online, I mean in person.
Because I think what's happening, the reason a lot of social decay... Yeah, I got physically attacked during I just left school.
I was 14.
tim pool
I was like, I'm out.
ian crossland
Every school is a kid like I think a lot of the kids that are I didn't grow up with social media
So it I didn't have this this level of abuse where like it's also happening when you're at home
I would go in like get pushed around a little bit Then then I would leave school and it'd be done and I just
tim pool
left school. I was 14 left school I was like, I'm out don't waste my time. I wonder if the
ian crossland
social decay is related to the kids growing up in this environment
tim pool
Yeah, it's an instant What a Michael Malice say that schools are one of the only
places that children will experience violence, right?
ian crossland
They're like little prisons like we yeah, dude Jordan's a boring example of the evolution of education because he left that system and now he's teaching online in a voluntary system where people can come when they want, listen as long as they want, and then leave.
tim pool
That's how I, when I was, I've had the internet since I was a little kid.
We had CompuServe on DOS.
So I grew up with AOL in its early stages, Windows 3, from DOS, Shell.
We had DOS, then we had DOS Shell.
We had Windows 3.1.
What was the other Windows?
We had the original Windows.
We had all of it.
No, no, no, Windows 95.
lydia smith
I don't know.
tim pool
It was the one where it was just grey boxes and you'd like... Before 3.1?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then we had 3.1.
Then we had 95.
I was on AOL the whole time.
We had AIM.
Cable internet came out.
We got cable.
We were on Instant Metro the whole time.
I have been on the internet and I was able to Google search websites.
I was able to talk with other people.
And that allowed me to experience the real world from adults.
And not pretty at all.
But hey, look, the internet's a nasty place.
But then there's a big difference between when you're a kid and you're in school and the teachers treat you like an other.
Like you're not an adult.
You're not to be talked to like an adult.
You're not to be taught like an adult.
You actually get raised by the children around you.
So it's no wonder that millennials are basically permanent children.
I grew up with the internet, where there was adults on forums talking about music and things like that that I was into, and game development.
And so there would be someone who would be like, hey, here's how you do X, Y, and Z. And they wouldn't treat me like a child, because they didn't know.
All they knew was someone said, hey, how do you do the parallax scrolling thing I saw in that video game?
It's really, really cool.
And they'd say, oh, here's how you do it.
And here's the code.
And then I'd be like, awesome.
And then I'd go and do it.
lydia smith
I think you're right, and I think that compounding this being raised by other children is the fact that you can literally always run to a parent or an adult when something goes wrong, and I really think that's a huge problem now in the colleges.
You see these students who are incapable of handling even the slightest amount of, like, friction when it comes to their worldview, and that makes them intolerant.
It makes them need safe spaces.
It's actually a really big problem.
ian crossland
Happens on Twitter, man.
People are like, he said that word!
Let's get him!
What are you doing?
What authority are you obsessed with?
mikhaila peterson
Also, is that the biggest problem in your life?
What do I do to get that to be the biggest problem in my life?
Someone said this word on Twitter.
That's what I want my problems in life to be.
ian crossland
This is what I'm saying, man.
We were saying before, physical health.
If you don't have physical health, nothing else matters.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, as soon as you get sick.
ian crossland
But how do you get people to understand that without making them sick?
mikhaila peterson
I don't, um, I think there are certain ways you can talk about it.
I don't think that you can really understand it until you've been sick, especially mentally ill.
I think it's very difficult to understand mentally ill people unless you've been there.
So, um, I think I've done an alright job describing some of the experiences I've had, but only because I'm out of it now.
And I think a lot of people who are that sick don't get out of it.
So, I don't know how you, I don't know how you describe it.
tim pool
I feel like your solution kind of defies modern logic.
mikhaila peterson
Yes.
tim pool
So you're doing the carnivore diet and you only eat lamb?
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, so there's the carnivore diet, which is all animal products, and that's the one that you see in the news, like eggs, milk, anything that comes from an animal.
Carnivore diet.
I reframed mine as the lion diet, which is insane, but I did that.
I did that.
And that's beef, lamb, or any type of rumen in animals, so animals that have multiple stomachs.
Rumen.
tim pool
Oh, really?
mikhaila peterson
Yeah.
tim pool
Not any ungulate.
ian crossland
What's that?
tim pool
Hoofed mammal.
mikhaila peterson
I feel like not any of them, like horses aren't.
tim pool
Yeah.
mikhaila peterson
Giraffes are.
tim pool
Goats?
mikhaila peterson
Yeah.
tim pool
Giraffes are?
mikhaila peterson
Yeah.
tim pool
Wow, I didn't know that.
mikhaila peterson
Oh God, I hope I'm right about that.
I'm pretty sure giraffes are a ruminant animal.
tim pool
So you'll eat like beef and what?
mikhaila peterson
Beef and lamb.
Yeah, elk sometimes.
tim pool
Nothing else.
mikhaila peterson
And salt and water and I reintroduced tea recently.
ian crossland
But you do alcohol from time to time?
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, and that just discredits my entire diet.
They're like, okay, you're only eating, oh yeah, sure, so you have an autoimmune disorder, but you can drink alcohol.
But it's distilled.
So like vodka and bourbon, there's nothing in it.
It's distilled like three times.
Most people probably don't know what distillation is, but it removes all the grain.
So I don't have any autoimmune problems from alcohol.
ian crossland
Because I would imagine like fruit breaks down into alcohol in your system, I think.
And it's probably really, really good for your cardio.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, but there's a whole bunch of things in fruit that aren't, it's not just like pure alcohol.
lydia smith
Right.
mikhaila peterson
Like vodka.
Yeah.
Pretty pure.
tim pool
Where do you get your vitamin C from?
mikhaila peterson
So there's a tiny bit of vitamin C in meat.
A tiny bit.
And it turns out if you're not eating any carbs, glucose and vitamin C compete.
So if you don't have glucose, you don't use as much vitamin C. So you don't need as much vitamin C. But I've been doing this since December 2017.
And the vitamins I was deficient in when I had an autoimmune disorder have recovered.
ian crossland
Since when?
What year?
mikhaila peterson
December 2017.
It's been a while.
ian crossland
Yeah, I hear you urinate a lot of the vitamin C out, and maybe that's because the glucose is preventing it from being absorbed.
mikhaila peterson
I have no idea, but they do compete.
Yeah, so possibly, if that's what happens.
tim pool
So let's start from the beginning, I guess.
You were sick?
mikhaila peterson
I was sick.
I'll give you the super tight version of it.
I was diagnosed with juvenile rheumatoid arthritis in 37 joints when I was 7.
I was put on two immune suppressants and an anti-inflammatory medication.
The immune suppressants I injected, so very serious immune suppressants.
When I was in grade 6, I was diagnosed with major depressive disorder or possibly bipolar type 2, depending on the physician.
And I was put on SSRIs.
Grade 8, I started to get chronically fatigued.
So I was medicated with Adderall when I was 21 for idiopathic hypersomnia.
So I used Adderall just to stay awake.
When I was 17, I had my hip and ankle replaced from the arthritis that wasn't kept in check properly with the immune suppressants.
Yeah, that's about it.
I was also diagnosed with Lyme disease eventually.
And I think that's all of them.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
How did you come to the carnivore diet?
mikhaila peterson
Oh, I started getting this rash called dermatitis herpetiformis, which is an itchy, blistering rash, and it's the skin manifestation of celiac disease, which is the only autoimmune disorder associated with gluten.
So I figured, okay, maybe gluten.
Maybe I have celiac disease.
I got my genes tested.
I have the gene for celiac disease.
I was like, I'll cut out gluten just to see.
Maybe that's causing my arthritis.
And that kind of led me on, I must have read like 1500, 1200 articles on autoimmune disorders, gluten link,
possible dairy link, and then I went back to school for biomedical science to try and research my disorder
because at that point I was so sick, I thought it was gonna kill me.
My skin had stopped healing from the rash, I'd had two joints replaced, my wrist felt like
it was gonna need a replacement, I couldn't wake up, so I was like, okay, well, this is what I'm doing
with my life, because I don't have a life.
So I started researching, and then I just decided to look into diet to see if it had any,
if it made any impact.
And at that time I didn't think it would change anything, but I figured I'd rule it out.
And first I went to paleo.
So like no grains, no soy, no dairy, no sugar, only water, no processed foods.
And then when I stopped taking SSRIs, so that worked!
That actually worked.
My arthritis went away, my fatigue went away, I got off of Adderall, and my depression lifted.
And then when I went off of SSRIs, I did that way too rapidly, because I didn't know they cause withdrawal.
And that's when I ended up on the meat diet because I got sensitive to light and to sound and to heat and to touch and to any amount of carb.
I was reacting to everything.
So that's when I went down to beef and lamb and salt and water, which was like out of desperation because the antidepressant withdrawal was so awful.
ian crossland
When you first went on Carnivore, what did you cut out?
mikhaila peterson
At that point, I actually just went from chicken and beef and fish and lettuce and green leafy vegetables, olive oil and apple cider vinegar.
So I literally just dropped salad at that point because I didn't know you could survive on only meat.
So I was like, well, I need some greens.
I react the least amount to the salad.
So I kept the salad for a long time.
And then eventually I was like, I can't live like this anymore because I was having some autoimmune symptoms.
I was not on any medication at that point.
I was trying to get it under control and I was like I'll just do just beef because I
know I don't react to beef just for a very short period of time so that I can reintroduce
things and monitor my symptoms and I was keeping track of it on like Excel spreadsheets, my
symptoms and everything and my symptoms went away when I went to all beef and then when
I tried to reintroduce they came back so I haven't been able to reintroduce things.
I can have tea now but that's like three years into the diet and I introduced tea.
I didn't drink for a long time because I was worried alcohol was going to be a problem
obviously.
tim pool
Did you go to a bunch of doctors and they?
mikhaila peterson
No at that point honestly I'd been doing paleo.
When I went to the carnivore diet, I'd been dieting for two years, being more and more restrictive.
And a year into dieting, after I went off of my SSRIs, I'd been talking to immunologists and just nobody.
Like, my rheumatologist didn't believe me.
Like, nobody believed me.
I barely believed myself.
So no, at that point, I was like, the medical community does not know how to handle this.
tim pool
Do you know what breatharians are?
mikhaila peterson
I do.
tim pool
Yeah.
So, uh, do you know, do you guys know?
unidentified
Let's go!
tim pool
These are people who insist they can subsist off of light and air only.
And there was one woman, this is a brutal video, where she claimed That she was a breatharian.
She only just absorbed sunlight and breathed to survive.
So they were like, okay, we're gonna film you for I think it was like five days to see, you know, you survive without eating food.
So you can prove that you're not eating or drinking.
And she agreed to do it.
And she was so dead set on proving this by like day three when her like heart levels were through the roof.
She was like, Getting sick. She was dehydrated. They were like we have to
stop now like your your health is at serious risk You are getting worse. And so then she said something like
oh, it's the air like the air here is bad. It's polluted We have to go somewhere else and it didn't change anything
So it's it's fascinating because you hear stories like that.
That's why people probably don't believe you. Yeah. Well, no shit
mikhaila peterson
I wouldn't have believed me either.
I didn't even think, no, seriously, like, BuzzFeed will come out with an article and be like, look at this person, and I'll be like, yeah, I get it.
I get it.
I was like, when I was 22 and people were like, fix your diet, that'll fix your autoimmune disorder, you know, eat healthier.
I was just like, fuck you.
You don't know what I'm going through.
You don't know how serious this is.
Like, diet cannot have an impact like that because my joints disappeared, right?
Like, it's not diet.
I didn't think being gluten-free was a thing.
I thought that was a fad.
I was scoffing at organic stores.
I went completely in the other direction.
I was shocked.
I probably walked around with my mouth open for the first year after I found out the diet impacted my health.
Because I really didn't think what I ate mattered at all.
So, I get it.
ian crossland
Did you eat gummy bears and stuff when you were a kid?
mikhaila peterson
Sour patch candy?
unidentified
Holy shit.
mikhaila peterson
Sour keys?
ian crossland
I've never had those.
tim pool
Sour Patch Kids.
mikhaila peterson
You've never had a Sour Key?
Have you had Sour Patch Candy?
They're like worse, more stale, larger versions of Sour Patch Candy.
tim pool
Dude, Sour Patch Kids.
mikhaila peterson
Oh my god.
ian crossland
So much candy!
mikhaila peterson
When I first went to the Paleo Diet, that was my first food that I reintroduced.
Because I was like, there's no soy, there's no dairy, no one's allergic to sugar.
I don't know about you.
I was like, for a physical reaction, I was like, sugar's not good, but no one's allergic to it.
I want my Sour Patch candy.
It did not go well.
tim pool
The vitamin C thing is what gets me.
Like, I guess I could understand, you know, they have, like, there's the keto diet, right?
But keto isn't no carb, it's just low carb.
You get some carbs.
mikhaila peterson
You have way more variety than what I'm doing.
tim pool
Oh, absolutely.
But then there's, what is it called?
Gluconeogenesis?
mikhaila peterson
Yeah.
tim pool
Where the protein is converted into sugars for your brain and stuff like that?
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, so you still have a stable blood sugar.
Like, my blood sugar is usually at, I don't know what it's in.
I don't know what it's in.
It's usually at around 80 though.
Which is pretty good.
It's not like... 50 is pretty low.
80 is pretty good.
130, that's high.
And then people go way up from there.
But mine's at 80 stably.
So yeah, gluconeogenesis from protein.
tim pool
Yeah, but the vitamin C thing is what gets me.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, well, I don't think people really know like part of the reason I'm talking about it is because I Would like the medical community to take it seriously enough to do some case studies To look into it because I've seen it help a lot of people and it sounds unbelievable The keto diet, I think it's prescribed by doctors for people with epilepsy?
Since the 20s, yeah.
It kind of lost favor because anti-epileptics came out and people stopped using the diet because it was hard to adhere to.
But yeah, they've been using the keto diet for a long time, and technically this is a keto diet.
Technically, if you wanted to refer to it, it's like a plant-free keto diet.
tim pool
But keto is way more fat than that.
mikhaila peterson
I was eating a lot of fat initially because I thought ketosis was part of the reason it was helping.
So I was like, add on the fat.
And at that point I was still having SSRI withdrawal.
So I had a lot of neurological symptoms and the fat kind of, I felt like I needed it.
For about two years, I was maybe 80% of my calories were from fat.
So I was, I was, yeah, I was in like high level of ketogenesis, but I don't do that anymore.
tim pool
We've got a ton of food here.
We've got snacks over there with milk duds and Skittles or whatever.
Actually, I think we do have Skittles and sodas.
And we have these meals.
Sometimes when guests come, we have these easy prep meals.
But you actually had a little rack of lamb or something.
mikhaila peterson
Oh yeah, I full-on... Yeah, you guys drove me... You guys drove me to the grocery store, yeah.
And I bought a rack of lamb and then I cooked it.
tim pool
Yeah, it looks legit.
mikhaila peterson
In the oven.
Yeah, it tasted really good too.
I ate part of it.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Did you do like lifestyle changes in addition to diet?
mikhaila peterson
Not, uh, not initially.
So at first it was just diet because I'm not like, I'm not one of those, I mean I'm getting more into it now, but I was never one of those lifestyle, like, biohacker people.
I was really into nootropics.
First I was really into drugs and I was like, how do I drug myself better?
So I had this, like, Tylenol-3 at night, Gravel at night, Adderall to keep me awake, like, I was on like seven different drugs.
And I actually drugged myself enough that I could think clearly enough that I figured it out and got off of all the drugs.
So it actually worked out.
unidentified
Good for you.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, but I started there, then I went to nootropics, then I went to diet.
And then I started, like, when I got a little bit healthier, I was like, oh, okay, managing my sleep actually does help me.
Saunas, infrared saunas, were a game changer.
We have one downstairs.
tim pool
No, we don't have an infrared.
mikhaila peterson
Infrared, because they don't heat up too much.
You can stay in there for a long time and just sweat.
That helped me so much when I was trying to reintroduce food and having autoimmune reactions.
Infrared sauna is absolutely, absolutely game-changer.
And now I do like Wim Hof breathing, ice baths, like I've gone full swing.
I've got my aura ring, but initially... What's it made of?
This?
I don't know, but it has three little sensors to monitor your heart rate.
tim pool
Oh yeah, I want to get one of those.
mikhaila peterson
They're actually kind of cool, yeah.
They make you really neurotic about how you sleep.
tim pool
I got the watch.
ian crossland
Interesting.
tim pool
Which is not the same, but it tracks steps, calories burned, workout time, and movement per hour.
mikhaila peterson
What kind of watch is that?
tim pool
It's the Galaxy something or other.
mikhaila peterson
You have an Android Galaxy?
Samsung?
tim pool
Yeah, Samsung.
So I get um every day it gives me like a little man like every hour if I'm sitting down working on the computer.
mikhaila peterson
It tells you to stand like the apple the apple watch does that right?
tim pool
A little man will appear and he'll like start doing like deep knee bends or it'll be like time to get moving.
Do you do that?
mikhaila peterson
Or do you just like fuck you?
tim pool
I don't do deep knee bends but I'll get up and I'll go walk around.
I'll be like I shouldn't just be sitting here non-stop staring at a screen so I'll go outside I'll go check on the chickens take five like a five minute break and then go back and then it's like good job.
And at the end of the day, because I skate every day so I'm getting exercise, I get the eight hours of sleep, well I don't think I sleep for eight hours, but I sleep enough and I move enough that it gives me little hearts.
And then it shows you your days and you get like a little, it's a foot with like a badge and it's like, you did it!
And if you don't do it, then you don't get your little badge.
mikhaila peterson
Okay, so it's not that harsh, depending on how badly you take criticism.
tim pool
It should though.
I think we should actually make an app where it's like, you're a loser.
mikhaila peterson
Like a little guy pops up and you're like, what are you doing with your life?
My dad could pop up.
unidentified
Pick up the heaviest thing you can find and carry it.
ian crossland
Did he just like constantly like organize you into this lifestyle your entire life?
mikhaila peterson
Not really.
I think one thing he did that was super beneficial was he said, as soon as I got diagnosed with juvenile rheumatoid arthritis when I was in grade two, I remember he sat me down and he said, you can never use your illness as an excuse.
lydia smith
Good for him.
unidentified
Wow.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, and it was like, Which is a serious thing to tell a kid who has arthritis in 37 joints, but it was basically like, this is gonna suck no matter what, but if you use it as an excuse, it's gonna suck more.
tim pool
Yeah.
mikhaila peterson
And so that was, I think that was really beneficial to me, and I probably veered in the direction of never using it as an excuse when I probably should have spent a couple days in bed, but I don't have an autoimmune disorder anymore, so... Let's talk about that, because I think one of the biggest problems we have right now as a society is everyone using all of that as an excuse.
tim pool
It's everything.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, I know, it's exhausting.
tim pool
Right, it's I'm a victim for this reason, that reason, or otherwise.
mikhaila peterson
They're told that, though.
And part of the problem I have with the medical community is when you go in and you get diagnosed, when I got diagnosed, my mom, because she's been, she's like the hippie of the family, and she was like, can we just change diet?
And they were just like, ha ha ha.
They literally just laughed, which is fair because dietary changes are complicated for autoimmune disorders.
But I don't know where I was going with that.
What were we just talking about?
How people are using their bad lifestyles as excuses for why they can't succeed or Yeah, okay, part of the problem with medical, yeah, community is when you're, when you go in there, you're diagnosed, they tell you, your only hope is us, your only hope are these medications, and there's nothing you can do about it, and it's not your fault.
And so it takes all the responsibility away from yourself for fixing it, because you're like, I can't.
The authority figures that know what they're doing, they went to school, told me that I can't.
And I think if I had just, if they'd just been like, can't help, good luck, then I would've been like, oh shit, I have to figure this out myself, and I would've gone through all these paths, like diet, exercise, I just would've looked.
But I think, yeah, the schooling system is doing the same thing to people.
People are told, you know, you have this mental illness, it's on you, don't worry, it's not your fault, like, here's a medication, or you're an outsider.
So you deserve some sort of, I don't know, help for being an outsider.
Just, yeah, society right now is pathetic.
tim pool
Did you see this story?
We have it from NBC.
Team USA paintball player kicked off of team after backlash over controversial TikTok.
Professional paintball player said Jessica Maiolo's message, which some perceived as anti-vaccination and fatphobic, doesn't represent the larger paintball community.
So what had happened was this woman Was like watching a news report, I guess.
And there was like an obese teenager in the hospital with COVID.
And then she said, your son doesn't need a COVID shot.
He needs a treadmill.
And so then like some woman was like, my dad invented toaster strudel.
And I don't think he would... She literally said that.
Wouldn't appreciate what you're saying.
mikhaila peterson
Some parts of 2021, they're just great.
Paintball.
First of all, paintball Olympics?
That surprises me.
I didn't know that.
lydia smith
Good start.
tim pool
It's not Olympic.
It's a team called Team USA.
lydia smith
Oh, OK.
mikhaila peterson
Okay, I thought, okay, you thought that too.
It's like paintballs in the Olympics now and they get kicked off the team for TikTok.
tim pool
I will say, one of the problems that we have is, first, whether or not someone should or shouldn't get some kind of medical treatment is between them and their doctors and you should seek the advice from your doctor, as I always say.
But when it comes to obesity, it is a worsening factor and the CDC website even says it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
that of the people who are hospitalized, 30.2% I believe, were obese.
So we, this whole culture of fat, you know, don't fat shame people.
I can, but I can say this, don't be mean.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, you don't have to be mean.
Also, yeah, I completely agree.
And when I, so when I went to university, my eating, like I was surviving off of cinnamon toast crunch and beer and ginger ale and pizza.
tim pool
Sounds pretty good.
mikhaila peterson
Yo, yeah, it was like freedom.
I don't have to eat my mom's like bread full of seeds, which was also make, but anyway.
And I gained weight.
I gained about 30 pounds in the first year and a half.
And I didn't really know what to do about it because I was going to the gym.
And I was like, I thought that it was only a gym thing, like I wasn't exercising enough.
So I kind of understand where people are coming from when they're like, I have extra weight, like what the fuck do I do?
And so being like, maybe get on a treadmill, it's super condescending to people who probably aren't super happy that they have weight to lose.
And I think that goes back to what you're eating.
And I think that's just, people need to be educated that certain foods are not like, you eat pizza, you want to eat more pizza.
tim pool
There was this show where they were trying to help people lose weight.
And they would... it was a reality show.
And so they set up cameras all over this lady's house.
At the end of the day they asked her, like, how many...
She was saying things like, it's not my fault.
I have a bad metabolism.
I eat the same as everybody else, but I just keep gaining weight.
So they set up cameras and filmed her throughout the day.
At the end of the day, they said, how many calories do you think you ate?
And she said, I had, you know, for breakfast, I had this.
And then for lunch and dinner, I had these things.
And for dinner, it was a small salad.
So I would say, you know, probably 1,500 calories.
And they were like, you had 3,700 and whatever.
Because throughout the day, she was snacking.
Yeah, always eating never stopping and she was like, oh I just had one or two, you know pieces of candy and they were
like Yeah, but you do that every 15 minutes and she thinks it
doesn't matter but it all piled up. So people need to recognize
They gotta eat better man I'm not gonna tell them to eat nothing but lamb.
I don't know.
It's worked for you.
But certainly, like, I think paleo is fantastic.
mikhaila peterson
Oh, paleo's great.
And that's super implementable for most people.
Like, it's still hard.
I went from standard American diet, eating everything, eating out most of the time, Japanese food, Indian food, you know, out.
ian crossland
Yes.
mikhaila peterson
Oh, yes.
tim pool
Indian food, man.
mikhaila peterson
Oh, yeah.
That's been hard on me.
tim pool
Butter chicken.
mikhaila peterson
Chicken korma.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Do you put any spices on the meat?
Cumin or anything?
mikhaila peterson
No, I can't do it.
Or the autoimmune symptoms come back.
tim pool
Oh, man.
mikhaila peterson
Oh, yes.
ian crossland
I hear turmeric's really good for you.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, I know.
I did, too.
I react to... What's it, paneer masala?
tim pool
Indian food is just the best.
ian crossland
Oh, man.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, it's just the best.
If I could incorporate anything, it'd be Indian food.
tim pool
I mean, you may have cured your ailments, but is it really livid?
Yes!
mikhaila peterson
Yes, it is!
I've been asked that, yeah.
Like, hands down, nothing tastes as good as being healthy feels.
So, for sure.
ian crossland
One of the things that bothers me about the medical industry is the way they phrase illness.
Sometimes how they say you have this thing.
And it's like, OK, I don't have cancer.
They didn't give me cancer.
Now I have it.
Finally, I control it.
Like your body is producing cells too quickly.
There's a reason for it.
It's not it's not a thing that you that you get in that you need to eradicate.
tim pool
Well, I think... I think... I understand what you're trying to say.
Like, you have a... Well, I don't know.
I'm confused, actually.
ian crossland
Yeah, they'll say, you have a cold.
Now let's destroy it.
And they'll go... I don't have something.
My body is acting a certain way, and there's a reason for it.
Let's locate the reason.
tim pool
But you literally have, like, the cold virus.
ian crossland
You might have a virus in your body, but the reason why you're sick is not because that's there, it's because it's overtaking your immune system for some reason.
tim pool
So it starts attacking your cells, and then your body has an immune response, and the symptoms are your body responding.
ian crossland
But you might also have the virus in your body and not be sick, because your body's maintained it, it's killed it.
tim pool
Actually, we have tons of viruses in our systems.
lydia smith
Yeah.
unidentified
Tons.
tim pool
Yeah.
mikhaila peterson
That was just fun to witness.
lydia smith
That was an interesting conversation.
tim pool
Ian's semantic arguments about it.
ian crossland
It's so important that we speak the right words.
lydia smith
See, I would want to know then, Ian, what you would call it.
Because it's true that you have a bunch of viruses in your body, but at a certain point, yes, you're correct, a cold has overwhelmed your immune system.
So how would you term it?
As far as I'm concerned, saying you have a cold is just like a super shorthand way of saying, yeah, you got this virus and it's kind of overwhelmed you.
tim pool
Yeah, like, are we going to map out, like, here's exactly what's happening to your immune system.
ian crossland
Now, the leukocytes and then the lymph nodes, Yeah, if you could, like, why does the rhinovirus reproduce so rapidly?
tim pool
Sugar.
ian crossland
You know, a lot of things feed the virus.
Sure.
tim pool
Sugar's bad.
But I don't think a doctor's gonna pull out the whole chart and be like, now when the virus enters the cell, and you're getting the RNA action, now what happens to your body?
I actually watched a video, I think it was Kurzgesagt, where they explain the immune system.
It is insanely complicated.
lydia smith
So cool.
ian crossland
The lymphatic system.
tim pool
It is not just white blood cells.
mikhaila peterson
No.
tim pool
It is like crazy.
ian crossland
There's the blood, and then there's the lymph.
Your body is like 50-50 fluids.
You have this lymph in your body, your mucus, your snot, it coats your feces, and it is the sewage system for your body.
And if it gets clogged up or gets too acidic, your body can't get rid of the waste, and then it causes all sorts of chaos.
tim pool
That's why people gotta cut back on sugar.
ian crossland
There you go.
And alcohol, well, alcohol is, sugar turns into alcohol.
tim pool
Alcohol's bad.
Alcohol inhibits protein synthesis.
I'm no fan, that's why I don't drink.
ian crossland
You gotta, basically, if you can treat the lymphatic system, I feel like, because modern medicine's obsessed with treating the blood, but if you can look at the lymphatic system and the pH of the lymphatic system.
tim pool
They have those massages, I forget what it's called.
ian crossland
Lymphatic massages.
mikhaila peterson
Lymph draining?
tim pool
Yeah.
mikhaila peterson
Or lymph drainage massages, yeah.
tim pool
Something like that.
mikhaila peterson
Saunas.
Saunas really help with just kind of getting toxins out.
I think that's part of the reason they helped when I had autoimmune reactions.
lydia smith
Sweating it out.
mikhaila peterson
Literally sweating it out, yeah.
tim pool
But exercise would work in that regard too.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, but you really don't sweat the same way when you get into a sauna.
unidentified
Really?
mikhaila peterson
Yeah!
The infrared saunas, they don't heat you up too much.
They heat you up from the inside out, kinda.
So if you look at the thermometer, it's not like 100 degrees or 110 or whatever.
It's like 80, but you're just pouring sweat.
tim pool
You're baking in the radiation.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah.
tim pool
I, I, I, we have a sauna and I've used it and I'm like, this is boring.
It's like, it's been a half an hour.
I'm barely sweating.
I go outside for 10 minutes and I skate and I'm just like my whole clothes.
Like I jumped in a pool.
mikhaila peterson
Well, then it's not like something off with a sauna.
tim pool
You may need to know other other people go in and they'll they'll sweat. It's just like just sitting there
ian crossland
I've just a lot of the heats from like at the top it goes up to the top and hangs out there
You got a top and like that's where you have to put your legs up on the sea
tim pool
No, I'm not saying it wasn't hot I'm just saying I sit there for a long time and it's like
takes too long to actually get to the point where I'm sweaty
You got a medicine whereas I can just I can go on the trampoline for a good 15 minutes do some flips and stuff
ian crossland
And I'm just getting all sweaty. It's funny that it's actually hard to sit still isn't it in society that yeah
tim pool
I can't sit still, man.
If the camera was sitting on me the whole time, you'd see me fidgeting non-stop.
I'm always going like this.
ian crossland
The easiest thing to do is nothing.
tim pool
Am I sure?
I can't do it.
mikhaila peterson
I used to have that, but then my dad fixed it.
Everyone's gonna hate me for saying that, but I had like, you know when you put your foot down, you're just like up and down and up and down and up and down?
Yeah, I had that and like when I slept at night, I used to twitch around and like act out my dreams, punch things.
It got bad, yeah.
And that all calmed down.
Everything calmed down.
tim pool
How do we get people to, like, take responsibility for themselves?
In every capacity.
ian crossland
Psychedelic drugs.
mikhaila peterson
That would help a lot.
I'm actually with him.
Yeah.
Heroic dose of mushrooms.
tim pool
Yes.
mikhaila peterson
Welcome to reality for a second.
tim pool
And they're legalizing them all over the place.
lydia smith
Yeah.
unidentified
D.C.
ian crossland
I think.
tim pool
Like Colorado.
lydia smith
Decriminalized.
tim pool
Decriminalized.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
Yeah.
tim pool
Not Washington State.
But I think Colorado did, didn't they?
lydia smith
Yeah.
Denver.
tim pool
Denver?
lydia smith
City of Denver.
tim pool
Oh, OK.
Didn't like Oregon?
lydia smith
Oregon.
Yeah, I think.
ian crossland
Man.
They're so good.
tim pool
It's insane to me that these things were ever illegal in the first place.
ian crossland
I know.
mikhaila peterson
Somebody had a bad trip.
unidentified
Yeah.
mikhaila peterson
They're like, that is a bad idea.
Most people should not go there.
ian crossland
Some president.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah.
tim pool
Maybe it was people were waking up.
Hard to control a population when you got a bunch of people sitting there, standing with their hands going like, Whoa.
lydia smith
What's going on?
tim pool
Where am I?
ian crossland
Yeah, they, the berserk, you ever hear berserkers?
mikhaila peterson
Yeah.
ian crossland
Like, apparently they would wear bear skin, they were berserkers, and they would take a bunch of mushrooms and go into battle.
mikhaila peterson
Okay, I have heard of this.
Okay, what is this?
Where are they from?
ian crossland
Like, the Scandinavia.
mikhaila peterson
Okay.
ian crossland
They were types of, like, Vikings.
tim pool
Vikings or whatever.
ian crossland
Yeah, and they would be tripping balls when they would go in.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
Like, they couldn't die and they would be wearing no clothing or barely any clothing.
Apparently it helped them, like, let go of fear.
tim pool
I mean, there's a lot of really awful drugs.
I don't know what kind of mushrooms they were on.
ian crossland
I don't know if it was just mushrooms.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure that was something else.
mikhaila peterson
I thought it was some sort of psychedelic.
tim pool
Maybe.
mikhaila peterson
It just doesn't seem like that's what you want to do when you're on shrooms.
Let's go to war?
That sounds horrifying.
ian crossland
When would you introduce them to a human?
What age?
mikhaila peterson
So I took them the first time just like a fairly like two grams or something when I was 18.
lydia smith
Adult.
Mostly developed.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, I don't know.
It's hard to say what, like, I think psychedelic experiences can be insanely beneficial, especially shrooms I really like, but I don't know if you'd want to screw around with the brain too much.
Like, I think you pretty much want to keep a brain as healthy as possible, and I'm not saying shrooms are unhealthy, but...
I don't know.
They do kind of like, you know, they've got to be poisonous a little bit on some level.
So, I don't know.
Later.
I think my most, like the best experiences I've had are the older I've gotten.
I don't know.
What about you?
tim pool
What do you think?
Yeah, yeah.
mikhaila peterson
Ian's right.
tim pool
You were 26?
Some scholars propose that the berserkers and the berserker gangs, it's what's called berserker gang, would consume hallucinogenic mushrooms or massive amounts of alcohol.
unidentified
Wow.
mikhaila peterson
Okay, see, alcohol, I see that.
lydia smith
I can see that, yeah.
mikhaila peterson
Hallucinogenic mushrooms going to war?
ian crossland
Ugh!
tim pool
There's, like, legend says that when they were in berserk mode, they were immune to steel and fire.
But they could have just been, like, really drunk.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, like, I don't feel pain, I don't feel anything.
lydia smith
Yeah, well, yeah, police officers, fine.
ian crossland
I've heard so many things about, like, Jesus was tripping on ergot with his friends and had all these amazing epiphanies.
They saw him walking on water.
Ergot, though?
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, doesn't ergot just, like, eventually make your limbs fall off?
ian crossland
Ergot, I mean, yeah, it's pretty harsh.
Back in the day before LSD was synthesized, they'd synthesize it from ergotamine, but they would just eat the fungus that grew on the rind.
tim pool
But didn't ergot give you, like, Like bad trips?
ian crossland
Yeah, it had a bad physical side effect.
tim pool
I was reading about the Salem witch trials.
They think it was like ergot on the wheat.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
And they would eat it and they would be like seeing like shadow figures and be like, hang that woman!
mikhaila peterson
Oh, that makes sense.
ian crossland
They didn't know they were eating it.
tim pool
Yeah, they were eating contaminated food and then tripping and then like, she turned into a cat I saw, I swear!
And it's like, no I didn't, but you're a woman so you have no say and the man's gonna, you know, they're gonna hang you now.
unidentified
Yikes.
ian crossland
If it worked for Jesus, maybe it'll work for everybody else.
tim pool
Yeah, but you're making an assumption.
ian crossland
I am making an assumption, but it makes a lot of sense.
mikhaila peterson
And ergot, specifically, because I've read a lot about, oh, Jesus and mushrooms.
unidentified
Oh, really?
mikhaila peterson
I don't think anyone knows.
Yeah.
You know, there's a lot of really, really old paintings that have those mushrooms that are technically more like Amanita muscaria mushrooms, which doesn't really make sense because that doesn't... Yeah, those are... It's not the same as psilocybin at all.
ian crossland
I haven't taken them yet.
mikhaila peterson
I tried Amanita this summer.
In Russia.
You can just buy it on Ozone, which is the Russian Amazon.
Ozone.
lydia smith
Love it.
mikhaila peterson
Ammonia muscaria.
ian crossland
And it's the red mushroom with the white dots.
The one in Super Mario Bros., basically, that makes him big.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
ian crossland
It gives you fortitude, right?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Mario did not eat a red mushroom.
Oh, actually, later on, it did become red.
That's right.
ian crossland
I think it was modeled after the muscaria.
It gives you, like, physical... In Mario 3, they changed it.
tim pool
Oh, no, is it Mario 2?
Yeah, I think in Mario 2 is when they made the mushroom, right?
Because originally it was orange.
ian crossland
Yeah, orange and black, orange and brown.
But did it give you, like, fortitude enhancement?
I've heard that people take it and go hiking and stuff.
mikhaila peterson
Plus fortitude.
Yeah, they've got to take a really small dose, because it works on GABA, so you can use it for relaxation, anxiety, and sleep.
So if you take, like, I took 5 grams, it's not the same as psilocybin, so the dosing is different.
But, like, 5 to 7 grams, I was just like, Clonked out completely super relaxed and a few more like two two grams was just relaxation But I wouldn't go hiking or something on it because it works on GABA, so it's just relaxing But it was nothing like psilocybin I think if you take higher doses you can get some visual hallucinations if you stay awake, but it was pretty sedating What do you mean it works on GABA?
ian crossland
What's that?
mikhaila peterson
Same thing alcohol works on.
It's a neurotransmitter.
ian crossland
Oh, okay.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, so psilocybin, well, it doesn't work.
It's not like a GABA drug.
Benzodiazepines work on GABA.
Alcohol works on GABA.
Ammonia muscaria works on GABA.
ian crossland
Do they have similar feeling effects?
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, it kind of felt like alcohol was a little bit more like...
I've had more of an anti-anxiety feeling, like sometimes if I drink I'll get more hyped up, and with this it was like a really heavy blanket, almost.
ian crossland
I heard that from the Bible they have the tree of knowledge and the tree of life, and that the tree of knowledge was the psilocybin mushroom, and then the tree of life was the amanita muscaria.
tim pool
There's a lot of theories about what those things mean, though.
I've read a lot of kooky conspiracy stuff about, like, aliens and what the Tree of Life and Knowledge really meant.
You know, the spiraling serpents represents DNA and stuff like that.
I think a lot of people just try and look for hidden meanings in what may just be a very simple thing.
It's like, the Tree of Knowledge is a book.
You know what I mean?
mikhaila peterson
Womp womp.
lydia smith
Yeah.
ian crossland
Maybe.
I was thinking last night how ancient, like the Egyptians, do you think that they were like going into trances, like psychedelic trances, and really seeing like shapes and patterns?
tim pool
Bro, you know why DMT is so fascinating and why there's a meme about Joe Rogan asking people if they've ever tried DMT and why now we have Ian who asks people if they've tried DMT?
ian crossland
Have you smoked DMT?
mikhaila peterson
I haven't.
I really, really want to.
tim pool
Yeah, let's go.
You have these stories about people having shared experiences without communicating.
And that, to me, is like...
Potential evidence of something beyond your mind.
lydia smith
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Right?
So there was one story I was watching, I think it was on Vice, and they were saying there was a guy who had done DMT, and there was a woman that he had met, and whenever he would trip, he would see the same... in the same place, he would see the same... Purple lady?
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah, the purple lady.
mikhaila peterson
I have comments on this.
tim pool
And then this other guy who took DMT said he met a purple lady who was friends with you.
unidentified
Shame.
mikhaila peterson
Shane Moss.
He did DMT a whole bunch of times, went to outer space, met this purple lady, and then he got his friend to do DMT, and while he was high, he said, hey, the people here know you.
Oh yeah, there's this purple lady.
She says she knows you.
And Shane was like sober and was like, what the fuck?
And then did DMT like 300 more times.
Seriously, seriously, 300 times after that.
But I got in touch with Shane because I did five and a half grams of mushrooms, went to outer space, and I saw a purple goddess lady.
Purple?
Yeah, and I started talking about it on Instagram.
I was like, I've seen a goddess, full-on, 100% sure there's a goddess out there.
I'm a pretty level-headed person even though I'm on an all-meat diet.
Yeah I was like purple and I saw on two different drugs psilocybin high-dose psilocybin and ACO DMT which is not DMT it's pretty much it's like a chemical version of psilocybin so I saw two different drugs exactly same hallucination I was like what the fuck is that so I started talking about it on Instagram and someone got in touch and was like Shane Moss he saw the purple lady and I went to his profile and someone had drawn her and it was exactly the same thing I'd seen.
unidentified
Dude.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, twice.
And I was, I was just like, this is insane.
Yeah.
And so he had the, lots of people see this purple lady and they have the same experience.
It's this purple lady.
They're filled with a sense of calm, which is exactly what happened to me.
I was in like a scary situation.
I was worried about my dad.
He was really sick.
And she just like filled me with a sense of calm and like, things are going to be okay.
That's the same report from like thousands and thousands of people on DMT, psilocybin, ACODMT with this purple lady.
tim pool
You know what would be funny?
It's like your perception of her is that she was a goddess, but it turns out it's just like the bus driver of the tripping world.
So everybody who's going there just like sees the bus driver and she's like, am I in?
mikhaila peterson
It was kind of at the beginning of the trip too.
ian crossland
I wonder if it's purple because of ultraviolet light.
That it's like a low frequency light that's coming.
tim pool
Here's one of the things I was thinking.
So we had, uh, you know, Michael Malice and we had Alex Jones.
They were talking about a lot of this stuff, like the machine elves and things like this.
And the interesting thing is there are these stories where, like, people will all trip and then explain the same independently.
They'll be separated.
And then what happened?
And they'll all say, like, we saw similar things.
I'm wondering, like, Could it be if we all have similar source code, you know, I'm using a metaphor for like what makes our brains work, that when you're taking these things, what you're really just seeing is your own code.
And of course we have similar code because we're all people.
So when people are like, I saw this, it's like, right.
When you look at the source code of programs, you'll see very similar lines.
And sometimes many programs have the exact same line of code that does a certain function.
So everyone's seeing that.
And then it's like, wow, we all saw the same thing.
That must mean there's something.
I've thought out there and maybe it's not maybe we're just all humans and we all share that you know
mikhaila peterson
I mean, I've thought that too because there are a lot of like if you do high-dose
Psychedelics you see a lot of like snake-like things and there are a lot of like DNA structures
You see those pieces of art that they literally look like DNA. So it's like maybe we're not going to outer space
Maybe we're going in inner space and seeing things But when you're in that trip and you see those things like
I saw that woman and it was there were like six months apart on two different drugs and I was like no that
was real and I mean, that's the kind of experience you have and you can
try and boil it down to science But it seriously felt like there's a purple lady out there
tim pool
You know, there's like the great question, you know, why?
What is?
All that stuff.
And some people, a lot of people have faith.
They say, I've studied and I believe these things to be true.
And I know what I can expect.
And I think it's so hard to know.
I mean, it's impossible to know.
That's why it's called faith.
But when I hear stories about, you know, DMT and stuff, that to me is like, we got to pull that thread.
Yeah.
What's that experiment we were talking about a while ago?
Extended state DMT?
ian crossland
Yeah.
They're taking people, and I think it's in England, and they're putting them in laboratories and then keeping them on like a DMT drip for, I don't know how long, but days I think, days at a time.
mikhaila peterson
How is that, that's past an ethics board?
I don't know.
ian crossland
Yeah, as far as I know, yeah.
I don't know much about it.
mikhaila peterson
Okay, if you take, people aren't very aware of this because they're like, oh you take ayahuasca and that's like a really intense drug, but ayahuasca doesn't last very long and when you go to those retreats you take it multiple times because it wears off.
Taking high dose mushrooms, like if you take like six, if you're me and you take like five and a half grams, or if you're somebody bigger you take more, that'll give you a similar hallucinogenic experience as something like DMT.
Like I couldn't see, I went to outer space, but it lasts for like six hours.
Yeah, it was wild.
tim pool
I remember when I first heard of DMT is when I was like 18 or whatever.
And someone, they were telling me the story about a guy who claimed that after he took it, he like lived a full life.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, because of the time dilation.
tim pool
Yeah, he was like, it was 40 years, I had kids, I had a wife.
And they came to all disoriented and confused, like, where am I?
What happened to Morty?
I've heard about you.
Like Roy, Rick and Morty.
lydia smith
Yeah, that game, yeah.
ian crossland
You think he actually experienced someone else's life, or was it just an imagination?
But that's probably real.
tim pool
What I was told at the time, and this is probably one of the first things I heard about it, they said, when you die, your brain, your glands or whatever, releases a high dose of DMT.
And so then my other friend was just like, what if, when you die, You get sent into an inner universe through the DMT release into your brain and then you live a full other life.
ian crossland
That's what this is.
tim pool
Check it out.
Check it out.
Whoa.
Check it out.
Hold on.
Hold on.
So here you are in this life, right?
You're 70 years old and you die in your sleep.
Your brain releases DMT, which then, like inception, sends you to another universe where time on your bed is like slowed down.
And now you live 70 years.
But in that life, you die again.
DMT is released in your brain and you go to another deeper level like Inception and one day it's all gonna snap back and then you're gonna go back to your original life and that's the end.
mikhaila peterson
You're just gonna wake up and scream?
tim pool
No, you die in your sleep.
mikhaila peterson
Okay, okay, you die before you wake up.
tim pool
Well, yeah, no, like you die and then the DMT gets released and then it sends you to a new life.
ian crossland
Well, that's these extended state DMT experiments are kind of looking for us.
They're trying to mimic that state.
They're trying to keep people there with, I think it's like low dose DMT too.
I don't think they're giving them the big, the mega dose.
I don't know.
And then they want to see like, what's it like when you're in there?
Is it like, is it like that?
Are you experiencing other lifetimes?
Is it?
mikhaila peterson
Jesus extended like when I did the hydro shrooms it felt like Years in there.
I had so many different visions.
Yeah.
Well, yeah, it was crazy So I can't imagine I can't believe that they're allowed to do that because I know even this guy Shane He was like, yeah, I did it 300 times.
I ended up in a psych ward.
Oh, yeah Yeah, he ended up in a psych ward and he said that he kept going to visit these aliens and this purple woman and the purple woman was a girlfriend and So we got to that, and eventually the aliens were saying, I want to come back to Shane's world.
Like, you keep coming here, I want to come back.
And he was like, oh fuck, I can't bring you back.
You guys are like, you're aliens, I can't bring you back.
I'm like, no one's believing me anyway!
Because they were like, don't talk about us down there.
And it was so real, and he did it so many times, even though it was very short-lasted.
tim pool
Why not bring him back?
mikhaila peterson
That he ended up getting paranoid about it and ended up in a psych ward.
tim pool
Why not just be like, come on back, I guess, whatever.
mikhaila peterson
He didn't.
He was just like, that's not gonna be good for Earth.
lydia smith
Can't do it, yeah.
mikhaila peterson
Can't bring you guys here.
You're aliens.
ian crossland
Shane.
mikhaila peterson
Shane.
ian crossland
It might be good for us.
tim pool
Bring them back, Shane.
unidentified
Bring them back.
ian crossland
They're coming anywhere.
tim pool
You know, here's the big issue, though, right?
The dude, let's be real.
He did a bunch of drugs, a lot, and he ended up in a psych ward.
ian crossland
But calling DMT a drug is a little disingenuous because your body makes it.
tim pool
It is a drug.
mikhaila peterson
It's a chemical.
It's a chemical.
Your body has like endogenous opiates as well and things.
It's still a drug.
ian crossland
I guess defining the word drug is a little confusing because sugar, I would call it a drug, but they call it a food.
But it's just a chemical structure.
mikhaila peterson
But everything's like, I mean, if you break everything down, everything's just like, what?
What are those really tiny things?
tim pool
Yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's Oh, it's not a drug because of this, but it is a drug.
ian crossland
I don't do drugs and they'll be sucking on a Coca-Cola.
And I'm like, dude, yes you do.
You're drinking sugar right now.
That's a drug.
Don't offend me if I use THC.
tim pool
Caffeine is a psychoactive stimulant.
unidentified
But I'm talking about sugar, which they call a food.
tim pool
It's a drug!
ian crossland
It's super agitative and addictive.
Sugar's not a drug.
Legally, it's not a drug, but that's the thing about the word drug.
tim pool
I understand what you mean semantically when you say sugar's a drug.
It's addictive, and it makes people erratic and things like that, and hyper.
But caffeine literally impacts your brain, blocking receptors, stimulating your muscles and things like that.
It's a psychoactive stimulant.
Yeah, yeah.
So people are like, I don't do drugs, and they're smoking and drinking a Coke.
It's like, you're doing a lot right now, actually.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, jeez.
I don't know.
So DMT, I think we should kind of liberate that chemical.
Psilocybin, I'm interested in, too.
mikhaila peterson
But we don't know what happens when you stay in those states for extended periods of time.
Even like mushrooms, if you do one of those high doses, it lasts, it wears off, and you can continue doing it, but you don't get the same kind of experience, right?
And I've done a lot of hallucinogens.
And I've noticed if I space them closely together the trips will get they'll change and it'll get worse And I think it's some sort of sign like don't do these too frequently like be careful with your body So now I space it out because it affects the trip so I think putting people into an extended date state of a DMT high when it only lasts a certain number of minutes is super dangerous Yeah, it's careful yeah, but for that long like I don't know some people What we would need to do is we would need to go to the exact same place where you or Shane did their trip with the Purple Lady.
tim pool
Take someone who doesn't speak English from a country with totally different cultural norms and then give them a similar dose and see if they could describe anything similar because if they did that would be trippy.
mikhaila peterson
I saw trolls.
I saw trolls and the Purple Lady on both the trips that I saw the Purple Lady.
ian crossland
What do the trolls look like?
mikhaila peterson
Like short and Like kind of greenish and with little pointy ears and like ugly, super ugly.
lydia smith
So do you think that a lot of like our fairy tale figures and some of that stuff from history that like the Brothers Grimm wrote about was maybe the result of some kind of drug trip?
Because to me that seems to make sense.
I don't know.
mikhaila peterson
I feel like I have no idea.
I mean, it's possible.
It's like psychedelics have been around in tons of civilizations.
So yeah.
Trolls?
unidentified
Yeah.
mikhaila peterson
Maybe it's the trolls I saw.
lydia smith
Purple Lady?
mikhaila peterson
But the Purple Lady isn't like rampant in Disney or anything.
ian crossland
Not yet.
lydia smith
Maleficent.
ian crossland
We gotta write this woman into a script.
mikhaila peterson
Maleficent!
lydia smith
Yes!
mikhaila peterson
The purple lady.
lydia smith
But she's bad.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, this was a good purple lady.
lydia smith
Interesting.
ian crossland
I think you might be right, Lydia.
Like, a lot of Pearl Jam's music was induced by drugs.
Oh, for sure.
A lot of, like, religion comes from drugs, too.
lydia smith
I don't know about that.
ian crossland
Seeing God and a lot of that.
They just didn't write about it.
The Bible took all mention of drugs out.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I think it's because it does make you, like, question society and power structures.
lydia smith
Jesus himself questioned society and power structure.
I don't think that they had an issue with that.
I think that if there is no mention of drugs, it's possible that that wasn't really a thing.
Now, Revelation, people really don't understand what's going on there.
I don't know about that.
Like, there's a lot going on.
Crazy stuff.
mikhaila peterson
Dad wants to write a book on Revelation.
lydia smith
I want him to, for sure.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, yeah.
That's coming.
lydia smith
That'd be great.
mikhaila peterson
It's going to be illustrated.
ian crossland
What's the crux of Revelation?
mikhaila peterson
I can't get into it.
lydia smith
Crazy towns, yeah.
tim pool
Revelation?
Like the end of days?
Is that it?
lydia smith
Right?
tim pool
The Mark of the Beast.
You will not be able to buy, sell, or trade unless you bear the Mark of the Beast.
mikhaila peterson
You guys are more educated about this.
tim pool
I have no idea.
My knowledge comes from a super chat we got a few months ago, where they explained the Mark of the Beast.
It says you can't buy, sell, or trade.
And I didn't believe it, because I was like, nah, that's too specific.
And then I read it.
I pulled it up.
I was like, whoa.
lydia smith
That's our audience.
They're awesome.
tim pool
Anyway, how about we ask our audience by going to Super Chat!
So if you haven't already, smash that like button.
Become a member at TimCast.com for the exclusive Members Only segment, which will be coming up after the show.
And we have a first Super Chat, which I want to read.
So again, smash that like button.
And Archangel762 says, please talk about the update to the James Younger case.
Absolute freaking tragedy.
We will in the bonus segment, because that one is spicy for YouTube.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
Um, let's see.
Atak Fuji says, marry me, Michaela.
mikhaila peterson
That's nice.
That's nice.
tim pool
Axel Thunderpaw says, Peterson's books saved me from my lowest points and helped me develop character.
I have nothing but respect for the Peterson family, the struggles they've endured, and I just want to say thank you.
mikhaila peterson
Aw, thanks, man.
ian crossland
Your mom's the unsung hero.
lydia smith
Yeah, those hard times too.
ian crossland
I don't know her.
It seems like it.
I'm trying to do the math.
I'm like, oh yeah, she's the generator.
tim pool
Here's a good one.
The generator.
Max Stahl says, Habibis, today is a good day.
Tim, you often say that left libertarianism can't scale up.
Isn't libertarianism inherently right-wing?
I consider many libertarians to be moderate liberals in denial.
It is not inherently right-wing.
Big L libertarianism, like the Libertarian Party, is a more right-wing ideology and closer to ANCAP.
But you can be libertarian in that you don't adhere to a strict authority, you cooperate with... It's like this.
On the political compass, you have left, which is cooperative markets, and right, which is competitive markets.
So a left libertarian would be like, Let's have an agreement.
I'll mow the lawn and you wash the dishes.
ian crossland
Deal.
tim pool
No money exchanged at all.
It's really easy to do when it's just me and Ian.
But you add ten people and now it's like, okay, who's doing what?
You're trying to manage it.
Okay, how about, Michaela, you manage what everyone's doing, but everyone has to agree to it.
There's no competition, there's no exchange of goods, it's just we all agree to work together.
It doesn't scale up very well.
You get past a hundred people and now no one knows who's doing what.
And people get confused, and so they invented money, and then you get right libertarianism, where it's like, okay, I'll just give you this universal trade medium to exchange the labor that we're all doing.
So, that's why left libertarianism doesn't scale very well.
All right, Liz B says, Love you, Michaela.
Huge fan.
Thanks for sneaking down to the States.
mikhaila peterson
I didn't even have to sneak.
People don't know, but you can't, I think, you can't drive over the border.
This is really stupid.
You can't drive over the border, but you can fly, and people don't bug you because the border is full of Americans, and they're like, we don't care.
And you do, it's getting back is still a bit iffy, but I've had COVID, so I don't have to quarantine.
Thank you, anyway.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
LittleTalesFarm says, Great news!
All 12 of our Ayam Semani eggs are fertile and growing nicely in the incubator.
It means Tim will get some eggs in the future when they begin to lay.
LittleTalesFarm YouTube channel.
That would be fantastic.
So, um, we unfortunately lost some of the eggs in the incubator because we had a rot.
I think we had two rotten eggs.
And so, yeah, and it was getting really bad.
And so I pulled a bunch of the eggs out.
I think, I think they were bad.
So we have, I think, six now that are growing.
mikhaila peterson
That's so cool.
That's so cool.
ian crossland
Did you see him?
He has a flashlight.
He can show you the blood vessels.
tim pool
You take a little flashlight.
mikhaila peterson
I want to see the eggs.
Yeah.
tim pool
And you can see him move too.
unidentified
Really?
mikhaila peterson
Oh yeah.
I want to see that.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yup.
All right.
Let's see.
Where are we at?
A lot of people are saying, let's get the Tappan Z back now.
Yes, because Cuomo is out.
unidentified
All right.
lydia smith
All right.
tim pool
Bogdanoff says, Tim and team, please get Louis Rossman, right to repair guy on your show.
He said he has tried to contact you multiple times, but no response.
lydia smith
Well, that's funny because I tried multiple times to contact him.
So it sounds like we just need to communicate a little better.
He did email me.
We're going to make it happen.
He's busy.
He's running a business.
I totally get it.
We'll make it happen.
tim pool
Alright, let's see.
Tim Rowe says, Central New York here. We wanted Cuomo gone for years. Never represented us.
In a sticky situation, most people north of the city are more right-wing, but cities control the state.
unidentified
Yeah, there you go. All right.
tim pool
Malty says, Hello, Mikayla.
What is your dad's philosophical view on neutering pets or having pets?
Do you think they have aspirations to have children like us?
mikhaila peterson
I have never been asked that question before.
That's a good question.
tim pool
That's why I wanted to read it.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, that's a that's a great question.
Do pets have aspirations?
Like, I don't think they have aspirations like us.
So I don't think he I don't think he cares about that.
Sorry.
lydia smith
Does he like having pets though?
mikhaila peterson
He really likes cats.
lydia smith
Me too!
unidentified
Duh.
lydia smith
Yeah, of course.
mikhaila peterson
But, um, and cats specifically, but then I was allergic to cats and so was my mom, so kind of crushed that dream.
lydia smith
That's why he has to pet one when he sees it on the street.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
mikhaila peterson
Like any cat that's out there.
None at home.
unidentified
That's true.
tim pool
Someone said Rand Paul was suspended from YouTube?
ian crossland
Geez.
unidentified
I believe it.
tim pool
Yeah, that video he put out, I wouldn't be surprised.
You saw it?
mikhaila peterson
No.
ian crossland
He's like, resist!
tim pool
They can't arrest us all!
mikhaila peterson
Oh, well, yep, that's a way to go.
tim pool
Fast.
His shirt was off, and he was riding a stallion, holding a sword.
mikhaila peterson
Amazing.
ian crossland
It's like the Civil Rights era again, but instead of getting dragged off in handcuffs now, they're just getting banned.
They're getting suspended.
tim pool
Mike G says, Tim, Texas is turning blue.
Texas, hold my beer.
The Texas Supreme Court voted to uphold arresting Democrats for leaving the state during session.
Nice try, Tim.
Hey, look, I'm not saying it's blue now.
So obviously the Supreme Court is saying arrest them.
All these Hollywood celebrities are moving in Texas and they're bringing their staff with them.
lydia smith
May I make a point?
What else the court in Texas did recently with James Younger?
You guys should look that up if you haven't heard that.
tim pool
Well, we'll be talking about that.
lydia smith
I know, I'm just saying.
tim pool
All right.
Let's see.
I don't know what this is pertaining to, but I'm going to read the question anyway.
Sloth Leadfoot says, Michaela recently planned a podcast with Tim Dillon that hasn't been released.
mikhaila peterson
He keeps canceling.
This guy is... He's hard to get a hold of.
No, he's not hard to get a hold of.
He's not hard to get a hold of, he's hard to get a podcast with.
It was like day before cancellations, twice.
I was like, okay.
tim pool
You know, I just found out he has one of the biggest podcasts in the world.
He's like number four.
ian crossland
Who, Tim?
tim pool
Tim Dylan, yeah.
mikhaila peterson
It's massive.
He's got to be the most popular comedian in the states right now.
lydia smith
He's having fun.
ian crossland
He just appeared out of nowhere, to me.
I didn't know it was like two years ago.
I didn't, I never heard his name.
mikhaila peterson
I hadn't.
ian crossland
But all of a sudden he was huge.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, like a year and a half.
Bit ago or something?
unidentified
Yeah.
mikhaila peterson
He's massive though.
But yeah, so there's no podcast.
It will come when Tim wants to come on.
lydia smith
There you go.
That's how it goes.
tim pool
Fine Castle says, I have an important question I want to ask Michaela Peterson.
Is the room clean?
Such a great guest.
Love both your podcasts.
mikhaila peterson
It's spotless in here.
lydia smith
This room?
ian crossland
Yeah.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, spotless.
unidentified
Super organized.
tim pool
Our kitchen wasn't.
But that's because everyone's always cooking and there's like zucchinis everywhere.
There's a lot of zucchini.
We have like 30 eggs right now.
Because people don't eat eggs apparently.
mikhaila peterson
I thought... I hate eggs.
tim pool
We're getting now five eggs per day.
Soon to be six.
unidentified
Heck yeah.
mikhaila peterson
Make them into chickens.
Chickens are good.
tim pool
What do we do with all the chickens?
mikhaila peterson
Eat them!
tim pool
Yeah, but you can eat them after, like, what is it, like a year?
lydia smith
It takes a while.
mikhaila peterson
It takes a year?
You don't have the, like, GMO chickens that grow really fast?
Like, if you're preparing for the end of times.
Don't you want the monster chickens that are, like, this big?
tim pool
Vanessa is a monster chicken.
She's fat.
She's huge.
lydia smith
She's a big girl.
tim pool
She's the one.
So, if you go out into the little grazing area, She runs full speed right up to you.
And then she stands there just like waiting.
The other chickens are scared.
mikhaila peterson
How are you going to eat that chicken?
tim pool
To be fair, the cast of Chicken City I don't think will ever be eaten.
So we're building the new coon, we're putting cameras up, and then we're going to have chicken drama, and we're going to have team Margaret and team Vanessa.
mikhaila peterson
Oh my god.
ian crossland
Yeah, it gets intense.
mikhaila peterson
That's cool.
That sounds like fun.
ian crossland
The rooster.
I mean, he's just drama.
tim pool
We didn't know we had a rooster, too.
We thought they were all hens.
And then one day the rooster started going, and we were like, what is that?
lydia smith
What's wrong with it?
tim pool
I thought it was an alpha hen, because sometimes a hen will become alpha and start yelling.
And then people were like, dude, I think you just got a misgendered rooster.
Yeah, it was assigned female at birth, but it was actually male.
mikhaila peterson
Oh, Jesus.
Is it pissed off now?
tim pool
I mean, he's a chill dude, but he got brave.
He attacked me a couple weeks ago.
mikhaila peterson
So he's pissed off.
tim pool
No, no, no.
He's just trying to assert himself.
mikhaila peterson
From the misgendering.
tim pool
He doesn't know what we're saying.
But I was in there and I was collecting eggs and he like jump kicked my leg and I turned around and I'm not gonna say I kicked him but I like slowly put my my boot and lifted him up and just like give him a little like push and then he went nuts and ran away screaming and was freaking out.
It's like you can't let him attack you in a certain like position over you.
Then they'll attack people.
ian crossland
That's what happens in Zelda when you hit a chicken they run around like that too.
tim pool
Well, so, like, the issue is, if he thinks that he's on top of the pecking order with the people, someone might go in there and he might run up and start pecking them, and, you know, so I have to be, like... You have to be on the top of the diamond side.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
And then we had people over and they hypnotized him.
lydia smith
Oh, they did that trick with the lion?
tim pool
You put him on the ground and then draw a line, and then they just... Does that work?
Yeah.
ian crossland
He just goes like totally limp and we just... It's on the Cast Castle, last Cast Castle video, the vlog channel that we started.
mikhaila peterson
Oh my, this is a real thing.
ian crossland
It's wild, he just lays there and then Tim was like poking his legs and he was just... Why does that happen?
I don't know.
I don't even think she knew how.
She just knew it worked.
lydia smith
Yeah, interesting.
tim pool
All right, let's see what we got here.
I don't know, I don't know, what is this?
I think I'm pronouncing that right.
It says, I am a proud Zilquaxin, member of the Zilquax gender.
I use Zilks and Squilks pronouns.
That means I'm allowed to put my hand on anyone's waist, even though I'm hideously ugly, hideously ugly, and resemble a chimpanzee full of snakes.
lydia smith
Excellent super chat.
tim pool
Well done.
lydia smith
Thank you.
mikhaila peterson
Chimpanzee full of snakes, yeah.
lydia smith
I was very involved.
mikhaila peterson
Chimpanzee full of snakes.
lydia smith
That was a lot of work.
Yeah, it could work.
tim pool
All right.
Cameron Terry says, in Christianity, marriage is one man and one woman.
And through marriage, you become one flesh.
Everything you do is together and for God's kingdom.
Christianity is one of the largest faiths, and so that structure became prevalent.
Very interesting.
lydia smith
I could see it.
Part of it, certainly.
ian crossland
Biological unification.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Ryan Berkabile says, if you ever see pics of Keanu, he looks like he's holding everyone's lower back, but in reality, when you zoom in, his hand is always hovering two inches away.
I did a video on this.
mikhaila peterson
Oh, that's very polite.
tim pool
It ended up getting, like, two million views, and it's kind of sad.
I get it, it's polite, but, like, I take pictures of people.
We put our hands over our shoulders, our people.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, we took pictures like that earlier.
tim pool
I mean, yeah, people are like, hey, you know, and it's not, like, a sexual thing.
But Keanu is being smart.
mikhaila peterson
Well, yeah, but does anyone care if Keanu puts his, like, hand on your back?
tim pool
Or is, like, you know... Is this Keanu Reeves?
Yes.
Okay, so, like... But think about the threat of accusations from... He meets a fan.
He doesn't know how old she is.
mikhaila peterson
Do you think that's... I've heard he's super polite.
Like, he still takes the subway and things.
Like, I bet that... You think that's because he's concerned about accusations?
Because I would assume that he's just, like, uber polite.
tim pool
I don't, I wouldn't say that he's sitting there going like, Oh no, what if someone accuses me?
He's saying like, Oh no, what if I make someone mad by touching them?
So like politeness, right?
But it's a sign of, we hear all these stories where it's like, you crossed the line by, you know, you put your hand on someone's shoulder and took a picture with them.
So he's like, his hand is hovering.
I'm like, look, what if he was at an event and he's leaving and a young woman comes up and she's like, Hey, and she comes up with him and she puts her arm around him and he grabs her and turns out she's, you know, 16 or something.
And then they're like, Oh no, look at this improper.
So he's just like, I'm not touching you.
You know what I mean?
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, that's fair.
tim pool
I mean, I guess he's a gentleman.
Kano's great.
lydia smith
Old fashioned.
tim pool
Yeah.
Alright, let's see what we got.
Grant Thompson says, in British Columbia, it's six months living with a woman and then you are in common law marriage.
If she is a roommate and she claims she is dating you, it will not be hard for her to get enough proof.
Tread carefully.
lydia smith
Whoa.
mikhaila peterson
Six?
Really?
unidentified
Wow.
mikhaila peterson
I thought it was two years.
lydia smith
I'll look that up.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, six months?
Yeah, that seems... That seems crazy.
I thought it was two years maybe in BC or three years in Ontario or something.
Six months.
tim pool
All right, Elizabeth Carmella Comedian says, Hi Tim and gang, I watch you guys every night with my son, Orion.
He's nine and autistic.
Although he doesn't understand much of the content now, I pray you are all still around when he has grown in this crazy world searching for truth.
Can you give him a shout out?
ian crossland
Orion.
tim pool
Blow his brains.
ian crossland
You rock, brother.
tim pool
What up, Orion?
Thanks for watching the show.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, what's up, Orion?
ian crossland
Keep it real.
Be nice to your mom, too.
unidentified
She's cool.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Turk Longwell says, Tim, you're so hyperbolic.
It's only politics.
We need to smile, be positive, rejoice, pray, be kind.
Oh, yeah.
I can't say that one.
lydia smith
Oh, no.
tim pool
He is making a point about electric dreams where they say in the show, kill all others.
I'm not going to read it directly in the line because, you know, YouTube.
But then he says, fixed climate, fixed schools.
You should really see it.
mikhaila peterson
Electric Dreams?
tim pool
There's a show called Electric Dreams on Amazon.
And the last episode is about a politician who says, kill all others.
And then when this guy is like, what was that?
Like, why are you advocating for violence?
People are like, why are you mad?
Are you an other?
Like, who cares?
mikhaila peterson
Oh my God.
tim pool
Everyone around him is like, he must be another.
And it's like, no, no, no.
I'm just saying we don't, we shouldn't say these things.
It's dangerous.
And then eventually.
mikhaila peterson
That sounds stressful.
tim pool
Dude, it was a good episode.
I was impressed by it.
Because I'm like, it's literally the media saying fascist and alt-right.
They just say alt-right, and then if you're like, hey man, you shouldn't accuse- Then you're a part of them.
Then all of a sudden you are.
mikhaila peterson
So true.
It's so true.
tim pool
Yep.
That's the creepy game they play.
mikhaila peterson
I don't know.
Give us the follow-up.
tim pool
Alvarin Sol says, I'm in a poly relationship, and although mine is pretty healthy, I can
confirm that most of the poly relationships I've seen are toxic and drama-filled.
Many poly people act like they're somehow superior when they're really just hedonistic
children.
mikhaila peterson
Interesting.
How is he not a... no offense to him, but why is he not a hedonistic child?
tim pool
I don't know.
ian crossland
Give us the follow-up.
I want to know that too.
tim pool
Daniel Welch says, Mikaela, how big of a lurking monster do you think autoimmune is?
We keep drifting further from an evolutionary appropriate diet and once triggered, the immune system can attack almost anything.
Thank you for all your hard work.
mikhaila peterson
What was the first part of the question?
tim pool
How big of a lurking monster do you think autoimmune is?
mikhaila peterson
Well, huge!
I mean, one in five people have a diagnosis, and it takes forever to get diagnosed.
So I assume that it's more than one in five people who actually have one.
I think it's a huge problem.
I think, like, the health state of North America is so catastrophic.
If you go to other places, like you go to Serbia or Croatia, people there look like a different species from certain areas in the states here.
So...
Yes, a huge lurking monster.
That's why I'm talking about it.
Otherwise, I talk about fun things.
ian crossland
What, like Alex?
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, exactly.
Like, just Purple Lady.
Just me, being like, alright, this is fucked.
tim pool
Aaron Sondag says, I love your show and know you have cats.
Unfortunately, we just had to put our cat, Casper, down not even 30 minutes ago.
Please send prayers that he is in a better place and no longer in pain.
Sorry to hear it, man.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, that's sad.
tim pool
Spartan Actual says, as an outcast who was bullied in school, as soon as I stood up to the biggest of them, they left me alone.
Still was an outcast, but no one messed with me.
But yes, if you can get out of a fight, then you should.
mikhaila peterson
I still think you should just go after it.
lydia smith
It's simpler, more direct.
ian crossland
I want the trying to make them laugh route, but I still have harbored resentment.
I don't know if that'll ever go away.
mikhaila peterson
Well, more psychedelics.
DMT.
Maybe that's the answer.
ian crossland
Microdosing.
Do you do microdosing?
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, I tried microdosing.
I didn't really like it.
I microdosed for a while.
Honestly, for shrooms, anything below three makes me kind of uncomfortable.
So I do like massive doses or nothing at all.
tim pool
All right.
Trash Panda says, A lion doesn't concern himself with the opinions of sheep.
Tywin Lannister.
That's some good writing.
Michelle B says, Hi Tim.
Wanted to shout out Jordan's Deli in Falling Waters, West Virginia.
Not far from you.
They provide employment to people with disabilities.
Check out Facebook page and stop by and try the best sandwiches in the West Virginia Eastern Panhandle.
Ooh, that sounds pretty good.
lydia smith
I am going to go there.
tim pool
Jordan's Deli.
unidentified
That sounds awesome.
tim pool
We'll definitely check that out.
Maybe we'll do a big order and get everybody in the crew some lunch.
ian crossland
Nice.
tim pool
Yeah, we could do that tomorrow.
That'd be fun.
Thank you.
Me too.
Desmaraux says, glad you went carnivore and feel better.
mikhaila peterson
Thank you, me too.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Sockpuppet Joe says, can you eat fish or seafood?
mikhaila peterson
So after 2 and 1 1⁄2 years, I reintroduced fish.
And I get autoimmune symptoms from farmed salmon, but not from wild salmon for some reason.
So I can do wild salmon, but mostly I eat beef and lamb.
ian crossland
Those farmed salmon live in their own feces, I think.
mikhaila peterson
Well, they eat different things, like even organic farmed salmon can be fed organic soy.
Now, salmon should be eating fish.
They're literally carnivorous fish.
A lot of them are fed soy, so I don't know why But I can do a taste test, a blind taste test, and I'll get symptoms from the organic.
unidentified
What's an example of a symptom?
mikhaila peterson
So generally it takes a little bit of time, but then my joints start hurting.
So arthritis, my skin breaks out, I get my rash and mood dip.
I'll get insomnia too.
I used to have hypersomnia, but now when I have reactions it's insomnia.
So just unpleasant.
I'm pretty unpleasant to be around.
ian crossland
Joints is the first one?
mikhaila peterson
No, insomnia is the first one, and then joints and skin.
tim pool
All right, Quantum K9 says, started the lion diet in March and lost 34 pounds in six weeks.
Almost six months carnivore now, maintained weight.
Pre-diabetes reversed, RA symptoms almost completely gone.
Thank you, Mikayla, love you.
unidentified
Yay!
mikhaila peterson
Yay, that makes me happy.
unidentified
That's cool.
mikhaila peterson
Nice.
tim pool
Seth Houser says, warheads were better, if you want something sour.
ian crossland
Oh yeah.
mikhaila peterson
Warheads were good.
unidentified
Oh, God, no.
mikhaila peterson
Those were, wait, weren't those the hard ones?
unidentified
Yeah.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, so you can't chew them.
They're too sour.
That is, that is poor judgment.
unidentified
I agree.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, Sour Patch.
tim pool
But Sour Patch kids are legit the best.
Yeah.
Kyle Holland says, Vitamin C's lowest limit tried is 10 grams, and there is 15 grams in one pound of red meat.
mikhaila peterson
Milligrams.
Milligrams?
tim pool
Oh, he put 10g, but maybe it's milligrams.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, 10 milligrams.
Yes.
Okay, there you go.
That seems, I think that's what I've read.
ian crossland
That's like an eight ounces, like one serving or something?
mikhaila peterson
Seems to be enough to keep me alive and without scurvy.
unidentified
Yeah.
Wow.
tim pool
Calvin Fox says my wife is allergic to corn based and cane based sugars.
Anything from the grass families.
mikhaila peterson
But not honey.
That's the weird thing.
So I can eat a little bit of honey now.
I react terribly.
I've got terrible like grass allergies and things.
So I thought there, maybe it was there.
I couldn't believe it because it doesn't seem to make any sense, but yeah.
Cane sugar is a huge problem.
ian crossland
Do you ever eat Manuka honey?
mikhaila peterson
Yeah.
ian crossland
That's the stuff.
That's like, heals wounds and stuff.
mikhaila peterson
I've heard.
ian crossland
It tastes amazing.
lydia smith
It does, yeah.
They used it at the hospital.
tim pool
Ian ordered all those tubs of honey you saw.
unidentified
Oh, nice.
ian crossland
Oh, you saw those?
mikhaila peterson
I did.
tim pool
Never go bad.
ian crossland
Just crystallizes.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, I know.
And the crystallized version's better.
unidentified
Ooh!
mikhaila peterson
I like it better.
tim pool
It's like icing.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, it's like sugar.
It crystallizes into, like, sugar.
unidentified
Yeah.
That's so cool.
tim pool
Alright.
Hayden says, Mikaela is the absolute best and her dry humor is my favorite.
Thanks for coming out tonight.
mikhaila peterson
Thank you.
I'm really glad that you appreciate it.
I tried doing dry humor on Instagram and people were like, oh, look what you just said.
There's innuendos there.
I was like, that was the joke.
Dude.
lydia smith
Brilliant.
People are brilliant.
tim pool
Alexander L. Fret says, Europe was polygamous before the Middle Eastern religion called Christianity spread to the region.
Islam allows many wives for who has financial capacity, but mostly monogamous.
Royalty had concubines in Asia, not commoners.
Interesting.
Hondo says, Tim, can you and Seamus make a cartoon of a super mustache man pillow fighting zombie Nazi?
We had to edit because it won't let you say the short version of Communist and Super Champs.
Perhaps.
We had a brainstorming session and we came up with a really good idea for a bit.
I can't say too much, but it's like mocking Cuomo and it's like really dark.
You probably wouldn't laugh at it, you'd just be sitting there disturbed.
mikhaila peterson
I'd laugh.
tim pool
I think, yeah, I think if you're into, like, the pictures we have from George Alexopoulos, G-Prime85, check him out, good artist.
mikhaila peterson
If you think his art's funny, then... This is funny, but holy shit, I'm gonna have nightmares from that Biden one.
lydia smith
He's good, man!
tim pool
I'm a big fan of Jinji Ito.
Yeah, the manga horror stuff.
It's just super creepy, and it's like... Yeah, no.
mikhaila peterson
I had... no.
No, I've been too insane at periods of my life to, like, be okay with it.
I'm like, that's a little too close.
ian crossland
Did you watch horror movies growing up?
mikhaila peterson
Constantly.
Like, all I watched were horror movies until, realistically, until my depression went away, and then I was like, no more.
ian crossland
So you were limited in what you could watch, but you also had, like, free read?
mikhaila peterson
TV.
Specifically TV.
Like, we had two channels, and they were really fuzzy, and Simpsons was on, and we weren't allowed to watch TV.
But when I got older, like, I had my computers.
I watched TV shows.
ian crossland
Do you think the dark movies drove you insane?
mikhaila peterson
No.
lydia smith
Symptom.
mikhaila peterson
Straight up no.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, Jade Dillilove says, I'm a woman, 30 year old carnivore for one year.
I was 30 before I lived my first day without horrible pain.
Mikayla, you saved my life.
Thank you.
mikhaila peterson
My god.
Good.
Good.
I'm so glad you're feeling better.
That's why I talk about this, even when the media is like, meh.
Like, fuck you.
tim pool
So, Notachan says, my dad, the inventor of toaster strudel, is a joke from the movie Mean Girls.
Okay.
Gretchen Wieners drops it to try and get out of trouble.
So I was pretty sure she was joking when she said it.
I was like, I'm pretty sure she's just being like, you know, my dad, inventor of toaster.
mikhaila peterson
That's where it came from.
Okay.
Yeah.
That movie was good.
That's good.
I'm going to use that.
That was a good movie.
ian crossland
It was really good.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah.
I gotta watch that.
tim pool
Christopher Roth says, hail lobster and graphene.
I appreciate the whole Peterson family.
Hope your father is doing okay.
mikhaila peterson
Thanks, man.
ian crossland
Do you know much about graphene?
mikhaila peterson
No.
ian crossland
It's a monoatomic layer of carbon, pure carbon.
mikhaila peterson
Oh, graphene.
ian crossland
Yeah.
mikhaila peterson
Okay, I thought about like graphing like a verb of some sort.
Graphene.
Okay, why would you, why does that matter?
ian crossland
They're gonna, you can use it as a building material.
It's like more electrically conductive than copper.
You can use it as a super capacitor for batteries.
It's destructible like paper.
So we can build like touchscreen clothing with it.
tim pool
Basically, Ian.
mikhaila peterson
Seriously?
ian crossland
Yeah, it's the 21st century steel.
mikhaila peterson
It's gonna You can make clothing out of that?
ian crossland
Yeah.
It's going to completely transform the planet.
Well, we're still figuring out how to synthesize it in mass amounts cheaply.
But once they figure it out, it's going to revolutionize everything.
The steel industry is going to have a lot of resistance and the copper industry is going to resist it, which they kind of are right now.
They're not talking about it.
tim pool
But basically, Ian read an article 10 years ago and now he wants you to obsessive ever since.
But I got him a graphene for Christmas.
ian crossland
Yeah, Tim hooked me up.
mikhaila peterson
Oh, that's nice.
ian crossland
He speaks my love language.
lydia smith
That's graphene, yeah.
ian crossland
Thanks, Tim.
tim pool
I was like, I wonder if I can... But we also bought these graphene batteries, so here's an example of what it can do.
You know those little batteries you plug your phone into, like external batteries?
mikhaila peterson
Yeah.
tim pool
They take a long time to charge, so it's like, it could have two cell phone charges in it, but it takes like 40 minutes.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
They actually can run graphene through it, so the electrical charge goes in and evenly charges everything.
So we actually have graphene batteries that can fully charge, I think it's two and a half full cell phone charges in 15 minutes.
You plug it in, in 15 minutes, the capacity of that can charge your phone two and a half times.
mikhaila peterson
So, why isn't it being used?
Is it expensive?
unidentified
It is.
tim pool
I mean, there's... I mean, like... But it is being used.
Like, you can literally go on Amazon and buy graphene batteries.
mikhaila peterson
It's still... Why isn't that the norm?
ian crossland
Because the copper industry is very profitable.
You think?
mikhaila peterson
Big copper.
ian crossland
And the copper wiring... It will undo copper wiring.
tim pool
Will it really?
I don't know.
ian crossland
It's brittle, isn't it?
Well, once... Graphene on its own is brittle, but you can alloy it with stuff.
To be honest, I'm not a chemist, but I know some.
And I think that's why we're not hearing about it too much.
I'm obsessed with this thing.
I talk about it as much as I can.
Alright, let's see what- Graphene.
lydia smith
That's right, look it up.
tim pool
As OneWeRise says, there is a huge DMT-inspired music festival August 27th at the original Woodstock in Bethel, New York.
It's called Mind Church Festival.
If anyone is interested in DMT, this is a place to go.
mikhaila peterson
Ooh, to do it.
I see where you're getting at.
Okay.
tim pool
Robin W. says, God is absolutely real.
I had a near-death experience and you can believe what you want, but we will answer to our creator in due time.
mikhaila peterson
Was it a purple lady?
lydia smith
I'm curious now.
tim pool
I don't know if the purple lady is God.
mikhaila peterson
It felt, you know, when I had that trip, it felt like a god.
So I'm one of those people that's like, there's a lot of them out there.
Yeah.
ian crossland
I think God is like the cosmic microwave background radiation.
Have you seen a radio telescope of it?
It's like this web of energy in the universe.
I'll show you a picture of it.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, I want to see a picture.
ian crossland
Fluxing through seemingly everything.
unidentified
I don't know what I think God is.
mikhaila peterson
Not sure yet.
Maybe after DMT.
lydia smith
Yeah.
unidentified
Yes.
Absolutely.
tim pool
Blan Ugawa says, check out JBP's podcast with Brian Murarescu, The Immortality Key, and
Professor Carl Ruck about the role of psychedelics may have played in people's going from paganism
to religion.
Would be awesome guests too.
Congrats on your health, Michaela.
Yeah, I think most of us have heard that story about, like, you know, primates taking mushrooms.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah.
tim pool
And then, like, whoa.
mikhaila peterson
And then that's what spurred on their intelligence.
tim pool
Yeah.
mikhaila peterson
That theory.
Yeah.
lydia smith
Interesting.
mikhaila peterson
That's a pretty good... I like that theory.
It's a pretty good theory.
lydia smith
It's a fun theory.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, it is a fun theory.
tim pool
Ryan Sternberg says, read Alien Information Theory, Psychedelic Drug Technologies, and the Cosmic Game by Dr. Andrew Gallimore.
He plus Rick Strassman running Extended State Experiments.
We are at the frontier, people.
Ooh, that's cool.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, what was it called?
tim pool
It's called Alien Information Theory, Psychedelic Drug Technologies, and the Cosmic Game.
mikhaila peterson
Jesus, that's not very catchy.
tim pool
I know, right?
lydia smith
The author is Andrew Gallimore.
mikhaila peterson
Okay, thanks.
unidentified
That's cool.
tim pool
And Rick Strassman are doing the Extended State Experiments on DMT.
ian crossland
I think he wrote the Spirit Molecule, right?
DMT Spirit Molecule, Rick Strassman?
lydia smith
Possible.
mikhaila peterson
And he's the one doing the Extended State DMT?
lydia smith
I don't know.
mikhaila peterson
He wrote the Spirit Molecule?
That's the same guy?
Really?
lydia smith
I think so.
tim pool
Laura says, Ian, you always say ignorant things about the Bible.
Why don't you take a Bible study?
It's really disgusting having to listen to you spout such BS.
ian crossland
Dang.
Uh, what kind of Bible study?
Cause I don't like sitting in a classroom.
tim pool
Why don't you talk to Seamus?
ian crossland
That I'm into.
We should do it on air.
We should do like just pure deep, deep.
tim pool
I love talking about religion.
It's fun.
Um, you should definitely talk to Seamus.
ian crossland
Yeah, Rick Strassman wrote DMT, the spirit molecule.
mikhaila peterson
And is he the one doing the extended DMT?
ian crossland
I'm trying to find out.
mikhaila peterson
Rick Strassman?
ian crossland
I think so, yeah.
lydia smith
I'm looking it up.
mikhaila peterson
That would surprise me.
tim pool
Alright, Kevin Houser says, Yo Tim et al, y'all are awesome.
Would you ask your guest for thoughts on ephatic coupling?
How neurons in the brain communicate wirelessly?
One love and be transformed by the renewal of your minds.
ian crossland
Ephatic coupling is fascinating because basically the way neurons interact electromagnetically is they send an electromagnetic charge from one neuron to the next, and that's how they communicate thoughts.
But there's other ways called ephatic coupling where they seem to communicate without any electricity.
I don't know if they're vibrating other neurons elsewhere.
And they've seen it, from what I've studied, in one brain, they see ephatic coupling between a neuron here and a neuron there.
mikhaila peterson
That are far away.
ian crossland
Yeah.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, I've heard of this.
ian crossland
And I'm wondering if you can do it across the room, because I don't see why not at that point.
mikhaila peterson
What are thoughts?
Jesus, I have no idea.
Like, how the hell does that work?
I don't know.
unidentified
That's cool stuff.
lydia smith
I don't know, man.
mikhaila peterson
That is cool, yeah.
No idea.
ian crossland
Ephatic coupling.
You know when you, like, call someone and it's busy?
I don't know, it used to be the phones would be busy.
They'd be calling you at the exact same moment that you called them.
mikhaila peterson
You know, I had a weird experience where my friend called my friend and I called one of them and I got into their phone call and they couldn't hear me and I was listening.
lydia smith
That's weird.
mikhaila peterson
Isn't that weird?
tim pool
So back when phones were mounted on walls, there were several instances where I'd pick the phone up and there'd be no dial tone.
And then I would just be like, hello?
And my friend was like, hello?
And I was like, dude, I was about to call you.
And they were like, dude, I literally just called you.
ian crossland
That's too common to be a coincidence.
tim pool
Like it didn't even ring.
I just grabbed the phone and it's the exact moment.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, that used to happen to me all the time too.
Ah, the good old days.
That was kind of fun.
tim pool
All right, Sonny James says, Don't feel hopeful by any of these resignations.
Much like I didn't feel the Gates divorce would haul the faces of the criminal syndicate to prison, to me, Cuomo or Newsom's resignation means nothing to derail the syndicate, just a semblance of accountability IMO.
unidentified
Hmm.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, maybe he'll go to jail for the nursing home thing.
unidentified
It's not gonna help anything.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, hopefully.
lydia smith
Yeah, but we'll see.
tim pool
All right.
Let's see, we'll do a couple more here.
What is this?
Danine S says, to the person who lost their cat, please Google Rainbow Bridge.
lydia smith
Yes, that's the first thing I thought of.
That's where your pets go.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Waterproof Towel says, Junji Ito, Sleeping Man.
That's the one where time in the dreams extends.
Gets to the point, the person spends a thousand years in a dream and then some.
unidentified
Cool.
lydia smith
Like that Black Mirror episode.
tim pool
We've got a bunch of the Junji Ito books downstairs.
So good.
Very disturbing.
Recommend it.
Yes, very disturbing.
mikhaila peterson
I don't need anymore disturbing in my life.
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
I know life is crazy enough.
mikhaila peterson
And yeah, I don't need more.
lydia smith
That's fair.
Yeah, like it.
mikhaila peterson
That's why that Biden thing is getting to me.
Don't look at it!
I can't stop!
ian crossland
It's not a stop.
tim pool
All right.
Doolock says, Hello, Tim.
Buying a home in West Virginia.
I'm moving from Maryland in September.
I'm 24 years old with a two-year-old and a fiancé.
Anyone can do it.
Go freedom.
Yes.
lydia smith
Gosh darn right.
tim pool
West Virginia, man.
Live in the mountains.
Fight the bears.
Well, don't actually fight the bears, but... Punch the bears.
mikhaila peterson
Take out anyone trying to bully you, right?
ian crossland
What do you do?
Do you, like, punch into their throat with your fingers and then rip their throat open with your fingernails from the inside?
unidentified
That's not... Like, how do you stop a wolf or a bear?
lydia smith
Not like that.
ian crossland
If it's up on you.
In the mouth, right?
Use a gun.
tim pool
Yeah.
It depends on what kind of bear.
If it's a grizzly, I think grizzly is what you play dead, right?
mikhaila peterson
Or is that a black... One of them you can yell at.
I think black bears you make a whole bunch of noise.
tim pool
And you have to fight them.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah, or just intimidate them or make them... But if they attack you, you have to fight.
tim pool
Black bears, if they attack you, they're gonna kill you.
Grizzlies, if you play dead, they'll just swat you around and they'll maybe leave you alone.
mikhaila peterson
Swat dead?
lydia smith
Yeah, geez, yeah.
tim pool
Or you protect your neck, you crawl into a ball, and you just, you know, go defensive.
mikhaila peterson
Or you could just not live somewhere where there were bears.
tim pool
We got bears all over the place.
We have foxes.
A fox is always lurking around.
I love foxes.
Foxes are little, though.
I mean, they're smaller than a dog, but it's decently big.
mikhaila peterson
But you could kick them, right?
tim pool
I mean, you're going to get a solid kick.
I'll tell you this.
You get bit by a fox.
You're going to be in the hospital getting your rabies shot for the next few weeks.
They're not really aggressive, are they?
unidentified
Foxes, aren't they?
tim pool
They run away.
Yeah.
You don't want to get bit.
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Thanks for hanging out.
This has been fun.
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And when you become a member you're supporting our fierce and independent journalism, so please do that.
Is there anything you wanted to shout out before we leave the live portion of the show?
mikhaila peterson
I don't think so.
I think, actually, if people are interested, I do want to mention an app.
We're building an app.
I'm working on an app with my dad called AIM.
And it breaks down your life into eight categories and allows you to identify which parts you're not happy with.
So like, you know, health, relationships, work, whatever.
There's eight parts.
And then it allows you to make a goal-setting plan to fix those areas of your life.
So it's about building resilience.
unidentified
AIM.
mikhaila peterson
It's gonna be out next year, I hope.
tim pool
Sweet.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
mikhaila peterson
Yeah.
ian crossland
Thanks for coming, Mikayla.
mikhaila peterson
Thanks for having me.
That was fun.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'll show you the CMBR after this is where I think God is.
Hey, bye everyone.
Bye.
tim pool
Ian Crossland here.
lydia smith
We were forgetting to announce ourselves.
This show has been really trippy and a lot of fun.
I didn't realize that Mikayla was into all this stuff.
It's gonna be a fun after show for sure.
You guys should all join.
You guys can follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Liz as I continue my goal to have more followers and Sour Patch Kids, much as I love them.
tim pool
Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
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