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Aug. 6, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - University Exposed Experimenting On Full Term Baby Parts w/Cassandra & FreedomToons
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cassandra fairbanks
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ian crossland
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seamus coughlin
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lydia smith
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unidentified
This is Viral Clip.
tim pool
Alex Jones on the Joe Rogan podcast.
And I think it was Eddie Bravo, that's the comedian's name, right?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And he says to Alex, do you really think that they're taking aborted babies, like, you know, late term to experiment on?
And Alex is screaming and ranting, yes, they had a vote and it's happening.
And then all these articles come out saying Alex Jones is a crackpot conspiracy theorist.
And now we have leaked documents.
And Yahoo News is publishing this.
Yahoo News!
Come on.
You want to come out and tell me the media's biased?
Sure.
They've republished the story.
They're carrying it.
And University of Pittsburgh was doing experiments on fetal tissue from aborted babies, some at 42 weeks old.
For those that don't know what that means, in the UK at least, 37 weeks is considered full term.
That's like a baby that could be born.
You could do a c-section, the baby's alive.
In the U.S., 40 weeks is widely considered to be a living baby.
So they had aborted babies at 42 weeks and were doing experiments.
I gotta tell you, man, I read this.
I couldn't believe it.
I absolutely could not believe it.
They were taking tissues.
I hope you're ready for this because this is not for the faint of heart.
This is not for your kids.
This is dark stuff.
I mean, YouTube might even take us down because it's how sickening this stuff is, but this is news.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Five month old aborted children.
ton of outlets. And so I hope you're ready for this. They would take the tissue from
Yikes.
these babies and graft it to rats.
Yep.
ian crossland
Talk about dark stuff.
tim pool
Five months old and a board of children.
Yikes.
Very, very dark stuff. So we'll talk about that. It's not going to be a completely dark
episode, you know, show. We do have a bunch to make fun of Biden about. So we'll laugh
and we'll cry. So I hope you're ready for one of the more serious shows because I, you
know, I saw this story and I was like, we got it.
How could this be real?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
How could how could universities be doing this?
And it's, you know, when when, you know, Seamus mentioned before the show, we're a nation of tolerators.
When people are just like, hey, man, I'm going to I'm going to mind my own business.
It's like, dude, what's that saying?
You know, all that is needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
ian crossland
That's right.
tim pool
Well, let's talk about it.
We are hanging out with we got a good crew.
It's Friday night.
We're going to have a chill night.
We got Cassandra Fairbanks hanging out.
Hey, you have.
Do you want to make an announcement?
cassandra fairbanks
Hey everybody, thanks for coming Cassandra.
unidentified
What's up?
cassandra fairbanks
What's a PETA thing?
animals. Oh yeah.
My general announcement.
Geez, this is such a dark episode.
unidentified
I've been down, man.
cassandra fairbanks
I'm laughing, man.
unidentified
That's all you can do.
tim pool
We have Ian.
ian crossland
He's chillin'.
Hey, everybody.
Thanks for coming, Cassandra.
What's up?
cassandra fairbanks
What's a PETA thing?
Well, let's do it after the intro.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I'll go into that.
Well, I think we should talk about that after we have a discussion on what's been done to
unidentified
these innocent children who were killed and used for scientific experiments.
I'm Seamus of Freedom Tunes.
seamus coughlin
It was funny, when we started the show, or when we were going to start the show, we were doing the pre-show, I kind of had like a bit planned and some things we were going to joke about to call back to last episode and some jokes we were telling then, but this is just so dark that it kind of brought the energy down, but I think that's important.
I mean, there are some Topics that I think the audience should really hear about, even if it's not going to be extremely entertaining.
And the reality is, we are a society of tolerators.
We don't build things, and we don't prevent people from destroying things.
We just let other people act in our stead.
My grandfather fought in the Second World War, and after two years of battling through Europe, he liberated the Flossenbürg concentration camp, and he was fluent in German.
So he went to the local priest and he asked him, how could you let this happen?
People were being slaughtered near your town.
You knew it was going on.
You didn't do anything.
And what the priest said was that the SS told him if he said anything or tried to do anything, they would come in and murder all of his parishioners.
And I remember as a kid thinking about that and wondering, what would I do in that situation if people I knew and loved would be killed if I spoke out against evil?
But here I am, and it's 2021, and we all have the opportunity to speak out about unborn children being slaughtered every single day, about human experiments being performed on completely faultless, defenseless human beings who were killed in the womb, about children who were killed after they were born so their organs could be harvested, and we don't say anything.
unidentified
And it has to stop.
seamus coughlin
It has to stop.
How will we be judged?
tim pool
We're going to get in all that.
We got Lydia pressing the buttons.
lydia smith
I am pressing the buttons.
You guys all know that I am super pro-life.
That is my hill to die.
And I'm the one that sent Seamus this article that started all this nonsense because it's really bad.
And I'm really hoping to open everybody's eyes a little bit to this.
So hopefully it's not too dark.
Hopefully we're able to kind of shed some light on it.
Hopefully it'll be a pretty good night.
We'll see.
tim pool
You know, we had a bunch of jokes, like Ron DeSantis was making fun of Joe Biden saying his brain isn't all there, and we're all laughing and having a good time, and then we pull up the story and we're like... Man.
unidentified
Wow.
seamus coughlin
This is the world?
tim pool
Dude, things have been getting dark.
I'll tell you this, we got a lot going on.
I mean, the military coming out in Sydney to lock things down.
You've got the... there's too much.
The Apple spying thing.
They always try to go, you know what?
I want to save that because I want to keep that in the context of what they're doing to children.
So go to TimCast.com, become a member, help support our work, our fierce and independent journalism, and like this video, share the show with your friends.
I don't know, man.
I would say of all of the shows to share, this is probably the most important, but I don't know how many people are going to want to be like, look at this, because I was reading the story and I was like, Shamus, what happened?
I'm like, I don't even know if I want to read it to you.
But we're gonna do it.
cassandra fairbanks
I had to step outside after Tim was reading the details.
I had to go outside for a minute.
My daughter was born at 36 weeks.
She was a full person, I mean.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Well, again, I believe life begins... I shouldn't just say I believe this.
unidentified
I mean, it is a fact that life begins at conception.
seamus coughlin
But people clearly argue over whether an unborn child is a human.
I think it's a ridiculous argument, but surely we're not arguing over whether a child that has already been born is human at this point.
But evidently we are.
And you mentioned that children... You mentioned 42 weeks.
I mean, they induce labor at 42 weeks.
tim pool
I want to say something about this.
Let's pull this story up right now.
Yeah, let's go.
And Alex Jones was right.
Let me first give you some context.
We have from Yahoo News, government-funded scientists sought out aborted minority babies for research.
I mean, on top of that, it's racist?
lydia smith
What?
tim pool
I'm not even trying to make a joke about this.
This is insane.
Researchers at the University of Pittsburgh received at least $2.7 million in federal funds to study fetal organs and attempted to retrieve half their samples from the aborted babies of minorities, according to documents released Tuesday.
Again, Yahoo News.
The National Institutes of Health had overseen experiments on fetal tissue at the University of Pittsburgh since 2015 from aborted fetuses ranging from 6 to 42 weeks, or two weeks past what is widely considered to be full term.
For the particular study in question, the grant request specified that half the samples must come from aborted fetuses of minorities, including at least 25% from African American women, According to documents obtained by the Center for Medical Progress and Judicial Watch, let me just stress, they say they were studying fetal organs, they retrieved them from some babies up to 42 weeks, and they had the nerve.
Alex Jones, Joe Rogan War, leads to conspiracy theory meltdown.
InfoWars host says babies harvested for organs.
Now maybe that's a very extreme interpretation of it.
What they're saying is, admittedly not much better, that the babies had already been aborted!
So, you know, by all means, they can experiment on that stuff.
But I'll tell you this, man.
I'll say, I want to say two things.
First, when the law allows a baby at 42 weeks to be aborted, then someone can go, well, better not let the living baby go to waste.
I'll tell you this.
If a baby is at 42 weeks, and I'm going to operate on the assumption, you know, I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt that maybe the baby was stillborn or something like that.
It's, it's, it's an aborted fetus at 42 weeks.
They could have performed a c-section and that baby is alive.
So this is beyond the pale. This is something...
cassandra fairbanks
I want to know what women were carrying babies for 42 weeks to get an abortion, to
give it to science, to use as a human guinea pig.
Like, what kind of person carries a baby for 42 weeks?
tim pool
Could it have been stillborn, maybe?
cassandra fairbanks
That's not what the article said.
tim pool
I know.
I don't want to believe that our country, that universities, that they're funding this stuff.
I want to be like, maybe it was...
seamus coughlin
Believe it, man.
ian crossland
Stillborn is a type of abortion, involuntary abortions.
seamus coughlin
I mean, miscarriages are called spontaneous abortions sometimes, but what we are talking about is children who were being killed intentionally and then experimented on.
ian crossland
We know that 100%.
seamus coughlin
Well, we know this because there was an expose done of Planned Parenthood back in 2015 where they went in with hidden cameras and found that Higher-ups at Planned Parenthood were negotiating prices for the sale of fetal tissue, and in the footage they were saying things like, oh, you know, whoever throws a price out negotiations first loses, and making jokes about the luxury cars they wanted to buy.
It was really obvious that these people were selling this tissue for profit.
And what the media repeatedly said was, this footage is deceptively edited, it's not really happening, but the organization, headed by David Daleiden, I should mention, was putting the full unedited footage on the internet for everyone to see, which isn't what you do when you deceptively edit footage to try to trick the public.
Now, Kamala Harris really went after him and did everything she could to prosecute him in California, and then very Catholic Joe Biden selected her to be his vice president, and as soon as he's in office, he repeals the Trump-era restrictions on federal funding for experimentation using aborted children.
That is our very Catholic president.
That is the devout administration under which we live right now.
tim pool
Now, we got to be careful.
That story, Planned Parenthood was awarded a lawsuit over that.
They were awarded two million dollars.
seamus coughlin
I believe part of that was he didn't have their consent to film them.
I mean, they were very clearly negotiating and haggling over the price for these unborn children that they had killed in order to sell them and Turn a profit on it.
ian crossland
Is it that it was edited to make it look like they killed them, but in fact they had been aborted by the parents?
seamus coughlin
I mean, it was Planned Parenthood, right?
So what they do is perform abortions, and then they were selling the tissue after the fact.
ian crossland
I guess if a mother asked Planned Parenthood to abort the kid, who's the killer?
Is it the mother or the Planned Parenthood?
tim pool
We don't need to bring the story up.
We have a new story right now confirming it.
seamus coughlin
Sure, sure.
My point is that this is something we've known about.
tim pool
Well, the issue there is, if we want this to be clean and straightforward and be able to tell people, when you're sitting down for dinner with your family members who don't believe you, and you bring up that story, they're going to say, oh, those people lost that lawsuit.
They were liars.
No, we have a story right now.
We don't need to bring up the past.
They're doing this.
We have documents that were released.
They are buying this stuff.
I don't care where they're buying it from.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, no, I think both stories are still important.
Uh, in part because again, the full footage is available online for people to watch.
If somebody doesn't believe you, I think it's an easy argument to make.
tim pool
The crazy thing about this is it like I got it.
I'm going to, I hope your, your kids aren't listening, my friends, because let me, let me, let me, uh, let me, let me read this.
ian crossland
All right.
tim pool
For the particular study in question, the grant request specified that half the samples must come from aborted fetuses of minorities, as we read.
Projects funded by the National Institutes of Health must ensure appropriate inclusion of women and minorities.
They should also ensure distribution of the study reflects the population needed to accomplish the scientific goals.
Selden said that one of the goals is to support researchers looking for treatments and cures for kidney disease, which disproportionately affects minorities.
Selden added that researchers have no part in any decisions as to timing, method, or procedures used to terminate the pregnancy.
CMP founder and president David DeLayton slammed the university in a statement on Tuesday.
The NIH grant application for just one of Pitt's numerous experiments with aborted fetus infants reads like an episode of an American horror story.
Law enforcement and public officials should act immediately to bring the next Kermit Gosnell to justice under the law.
unidentified
Amen.
tim pool
The stuff that they were doing was absolutely insane.
I don't know where we had that... Oh yeah, so... I had another story pulled up that was talking about the grafting of fat tissue, but I guess I can't find it.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Did it get removed?
seamus coughlin
I had a story pulled up about that here.
unidentified
I had some information about that here that I can pull up.
seamus coughlin
They were scalping five-month-old, please, I mean again for the faint of heart,
they were scalping five-month-old aborted fetuses to stitch onto lab rats.
lydia smith
Who said that? Who is?
seamus coughlin
I have it, I have it.
tim pool
It's from Newsy, right here.
lydia smith
Okay, gosh.
tim pool
Yeah, it says, in one study published last year, Pitt scientists described scalping five-month-old aborted babies to stitch onto the backs of lab rats.
They wrote about how they cut the scalps from the heads and backs of the babies, scraping off the excess fat under the baby's skin before stitching it onto the rats.
They even included photos of the baby's hair growing out of the scalps.
Each scalp belonged to a little Pennsylvania baby whose head would grow those same hairs if he or she were not aborted for experiments with lab rats.
ian crossland
Now that's propaganda.
It's a dead body.
It's not a baby anymore.
seamus coughlin
Hold on, what do you mean that's propaganda, Ian?
That's a child scalping surgery!
ian crossland
Well, someone chose to abort that child, and now to call it a baby is disingenuous because it's a corpse.
seamus coughlin
It's not disingenuous.
They killed a baby.
Okay, then it's a baby corpse, and they're sewing its scalp to a rat.
You don't think that's a violation of human dignity and value?
ian crossland
They find that infant skin cells are good for stem cells because they're so young and vibrant, I guess, so they use them in stem cell experiments.
seamus coughlin
That in no way justifies anything of the sort.
That doesn't justify it.
ian crossland
I don't understand why it's propaganda or how it could be morally immoral.
seamus coughlin
That's a fact.
That's not propaganda.
That's literally a fact.
or how it could be morally immoral.
ian crossland
Because they're like, if this child hadn't been, then it would have been a glowing baby.
seamus coughlin
That's a fact.
ian crossland
That's not propaganda.
seamus coughlin
You don't know that.
tim pool
That's literally a fact.
Ian, how many weeks are in five months?
ian crossland
20-ish.
tim pool
Finding, from Newsweek, from 2015, finding that babies born at 22 weeks can survive could
change abortion debate.
ian crossland
Dude, this 42 week thing is insane.
tim pool
Premature babies at 5 months can survive.
ian crossland
It's a 10 month abortion, 42 weeks, that's insane.
I'm in the one trimester camp and then after that I think it's murder.
I think it's alive, I think it has a brain, I think it's a human, but in the first, you know, couple, three months, it's still developing.
tim pool
Listen, listen, listen.
seamus coughlin
It's a person.
I mean, from conception, where else do you draw the line?
ian crossland
Like, when the brain is formed?
cassandra fairbanks
The thing I find craziest about this is that this story is from May, and I write news all day for two websites, and I didn't hear any of these details about it.
But all day today, I mean, everybody was outraged about Fauci killing puppies, which they should be, but why isn't there the same outrage about literal, like, full-term babies?
tim pool
Like, this is, I mean... We talk about, like, that infamous group of Japanese scientists that, you know, they were recruited.
What was it called?
Was that Operation Paperclip?
unidentified
747?
ian crossland
Fahrenheit.
tim pool
No, no, no.
Operation... was it Paperclip?
ian crossland
Where they, uh... Paperclip's where they brought all the Nazi scientists to the U.S.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I believe that's correct.
ian crossland
Um, the Japanese camp, there was a camp where they were, like, Unit 7... It was Unit 747, I want to say.
No, Unit 7-something.
lydia smith
I don't remember, I'm sorry.
ian crossland
Yeah, science is a brutal industry, that's for sure.
seamus coughlin
I mean, they used to rip people's... Well, but it shouldn't be, right?
It's extremely unethical.
Like, science has to be restricted based on legitimate ethical concerns.
unidentified
There are certain things you shouldn't be able to do.
tim pool
The Japanese scientists would, like, take a prisoner and stick their arm out of the door, like, into the cold, and watch it freeze, and then, like, shatter it while the person was still alive in the other room to see what would happen to them.
lydia smith
That's exciting.
tim pool
They say that what we know about frostbite largely comes from the Japanese doing research on live human beings.
ian crossland
That's horrible.
cassandra fairbanks
I mean, people talk about the Nazi experiments, like, you know, and rightly condemn them pretty much across the board, and then we're doing it here.
Yeah.
We're literally doing it in Pittsburgh.
seamus coughlin
Well, and it's crazy because people, I mean, look, people are comfortable with things like this happening as long as they never have to think about it.
They can know it's going on, but if it's not brought up, then they're able to sleep at night for whatever reason.
And I know that After, for example, the Second World War, I mentioned this earlier, my grandfather and his unit marched all of the townspeople through the camp to show them, this is what happened here.
This is what you allowed.
We have unparalleled technological infrastructure for communication.
This information should be very easy to get to people, but the people who have access to the gatekeeping, more or less, don't want the information getting out there.
Even when you do have access to the information, people will shame you for discussing it.
So I know that there are some campus organizations and other pro-life groups that will show people what an abortion actually looks like, show people the aftermath of an unborn child that's been killed, and people consider that to be evil or cruel.
The act of doing it isn't evil or cruel, but showing people a picture of it, that's unreasonable.
What matters is no one ever has to confront what we're doing.
We have to protect everybody's feelings.
We have to make sure they don't feel guilty about what society is doing and about what the abortionists are doing and the fact that no one is standing up to stop it.
The real crime is showing someone that they've supported evil, not the evil itself.
tim pool
The important clarification, for the sake of all of the fact-checkers, would be people are getting abortions, and then doctors are buying the fetuses.
ian crossland
Right, we don't want to conflate it that the doctors are murdering the children and taking.
It's like the parents are authorizing this stuff.
seamus coughlin
I mean, but you are complicit if you know that a child was aborted and you are receiving the tissue from... Hold on, hold on, hold on.
tim pool
Let's try it a different way.
Let's say that you're a researcher and you need fresh corpses that are, you know, From someone who died in the immediate and there's a guy who somehow just keeps happen to have them all for you to buy Yeah, you see the problem I have with this is that they they they lobby for a thing to happen and then exploit the worst Aspects of it in one of the most horrifying and disgusting ways like I don't I don't even know man.
ian crossland
I don't this is Making me think of like industrial animal slaughter, because they'll not let people see that stuff either.
tim pool
I got a problem with that too.
unidentified
Pig farms with all the feces and blood and the pools around them.
seamus coughlin
And that's all bad.
ian crossland
It's all bad.
But they won't let people take pictures.
seamus coughlin
No one says it's unethical.
cassandra fairbanks
They don't let you take photos of PETA ripping animals away from the sanctuaries that they're in.
And they have the courts siding with them and issuing gag orders on people and not allowing any filming.
seamus coughlin
And also, Ian, the big difference is... People like to hide their crimes.
Exactly.
I think there's another point here to be made, because there's a significant difference.
When somebody shows me an animal being killed, right?
Of course, there are more and less ethical ways to kill an animal, but I can still say, I believe that it's okay to kill animals to eat them.
If you show me factory farming, I can say, this is the wrong way of doing it.
But no one says, it's cruel or inhumane or evil to show someone who has eaten meat what happens when you kill an animal in order to get that
meat.
But it's considered cruel and inhumane to show to people who are considering abortion what abortion actually looks
unidentified
like.
tim pool
No, I think people get mad at you if you show them the factory farming process.
seamus coughlin
I think there are some people who will get mad at you, but generally speaking, people understand that they're being
provided with more information.
I think most people, including people who eat meat, understand that factory farming is really messed up.
tim pool
It's really messed up, man.
I've been to the farms where they have, like, the organic meat, and I was so impressed.
I've told the story before where the cows are just like, the door's open, there's no gate, and I'm like, what is this?
It's like, the cows are gonna leave, and the farmer's like, where are they gonna go?
And I'm like, anywhere, and he's like, they got food here.
And I was like, wow.
And so the cows are happy, they live full lives, they have food, it's all automatic, and the farmer just lets them do their thing.
And then I've also driven past the factory farms, where the ground is sludge, and they're all packed in, and it's horrifying, and it smells.
ian crossland
I saw an undercover video at a factory farm of one of the guys, and what happens is people, either they find people that are already psychotic, no offense if you work at a factory farm, or people that are just willing to allow themselves to be okay with murdering.
And what they'll do is, they train themselves to see pig, that means it has to die.
And they treat it like, Like a piece of wood.
Like they'll pick up a baby and smash it on the ground till it explodes its head and then they'll like throw it in a pile.
And there's like living animals screaming as they're getting hit.
tim pool
They started passing these laws.
What are they called?
Like ag-gag?
Ag-gag.
You couldn't film the horrible things they do.
Like, dude, I'm all about.
We're raising chickens.
I don't know if we'll eat these ones because they're the stars of Chicken City.
So they might get, you know, a pardon.
But we're raising a couple babies, and I got no problem eating the animals and growing the vegetables.
And you try and do it right.
We understand.
Now, some people don't eat meat because they don't want to cause suffering.
For me, I'm like, well, I'll hunt and I'll eat, but we're going to do it right.
We're going to minimize suffering of the animal, and we're going to accept that this is part of the life cycle.
But man, I've seen some of these videos where I watch a guy punt a chicken just for no reason.
No reason.
And I'm like, dude, it's because it's mechanized.
It's just, shuffle them in, they throw them in the grinder, and it's just... It's horrible, man.
It's really horrible stuff to watch, you know?
And... I don't know what you do in that regard.
People are definitely willing to tolerate that, but I'll tell you, when it comes to what they're willing to do to human beings... Exactly.
It's like, why would I be surprised that they horribly mistreat the animals who are already living horrible lives?
When you can see what people are willing to do to each other.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
When you look at what people do to other human beings.
And it's no surprise that we have this unbelievably horrific warfare state, where people are killed in other countries, and the United States government will either do it or support governments that will go to war and commit violence against civilians, like the Saudi Arabian government has been doing in Yemen.
Because if I don't have an obligation to care for my own unborn child, and it's okay for me to kill them, then why should I care about somebody on the other side of the world?
tim pool
We need that.
seamus coughlin
We will not have world peace for as long as we have abortion.
We will not.
tim pool
We got, uh...
I don't know.
I don't know what the root of this issue is.
I know I can already hear many of the leftists saying it's capitalism.
It's the, you know, they cut costs, they reduce costs.
And I'm like, I don't think that's it.
People, people want and will eat meat.
And you end up with these really nasty situations.
And not to mention what goes on with factory farming results in infected meat.
And then they put like where they put like ammonium or something in the beef because of the bacteria.
It preserves it, yeah.
I tell you this, you guys, I have been saying get out of the cities for some time for a variety of reasons.
I've been talking about, you know, growing your own food and raising our chickens for a while now.
Where we live, we can drive 15, 20 minutes and be at a farm, and there's one farm nearby, it's like self-checkout.
It's the craziest thing.
I heard you walk in, there's nobody there, and they've got like freezers with the meat freshly harvested from like organic field farm-raised animals, and you walk up, you grab it, you scan it, you pay, you walk out, nobody's even there.
I'm like, that's amazing.
That's amazing.
You can see the animals.
We went to one farm, and all the goats ran out, and they were all yelling at us, and we were laughing, and the goats have this nice little area, and they're jumping up and down, and they're dancing, having a good time, and I'm like, they're living it.
seamus coughlin
You know, we farm.
tim pool
It's what we do, but they're having a good time while they're here.
seamus coughlin
No, I agree.
unidentified
I agree.
ian crossland
It's like, um, the luxury of, like, European agricultural life being out here, but with the value of the United States, like, uh, product lines.
Like, you can order anything and receive anything by delivery, but we live, like, in this awesome farm.
tim pool
And there's a lot of people in this country that don't care about anything.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And that's what really bothers me.
You know because we pulled up the polling data the other day from civics
and saw that among Democrat voters they think the economy is doing
yeah fairly good really good.
And among independents and conservatives they say it's fairly bad.
Why.
Because those are the people that are in reality.
And so I genuinely think like you know you look at people who live in rural
areas who tend to be conservative.
Like, they raise animals.
They take care of their animals.
They're not living in cities where it's mechanized pollution and waste and factory farming.
To get enough food into those cities is very, very, very difficult.
I mean, cities can be great for a lot of reasons.
I know some people are like, hey, stop bragging on cities.
I get it.
Arts and culture can be fun.
But the difficulty in bringing in resources into cities, it's crazy when you go to New York and you see how you can't park anywhere.
There's delivery trucks on every road all the time because they got to get enough food in for the massively tall skyscrapers.
It is not an easy thing to do.
So they mechanize the process.
They mechanize factory farms.
They mass produce as much as they can.
I tell you this, dude, when Alex Jones was here, there's another thing he was right about.
And he told me, did you know you're eating cloned beef?
And I said, no we're not.
We're not eating cloned beef.
That's crazy.
And then I googled it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
We've been eating cloned beef.
They clone the animals.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
That is mind-blowing how awful all this stuff is.
cassandra fairbanks
I am a lifelong vegetarian and very happy about it.
tim pool
You've never eaten meat.
cassandra fairbanks
No.
tim pool
I mean, look, I got no problem eating meat.
cassandra fairbanks
I mean, before I was three, I think I did.
I saw Bambi and it screwed me all up.
My parents indulged me thinking it was the phase and my stubbornness.
I just never ate it again.
lydia smith
I'll tell you a story.
ian crossland
Are you vegan?
cassandra fairbanks
Um, not currently.
I've went through, you know, big like eight year chunks of being vegan.
ian crossland
You've been vocally supportive of animal rights.
Do you find that there's a through line with the abortion and animal agriculture?
cassandra fairbanks
I mean, I think that it's all terrible things that we're closing our eyes to.
I think that factory farming is terrible.
But I also, I hate the animal rights industry, also.
And anybody who's been following me knows this very well.
I think my current Twitter name is Anti-PETA.
tim pool
All my homies hate PETA.
cassandra fairbanks
And I've dedicated my life to now destroying PETA in any way possible.
I'm going to be meeting with senators next month and I am working on a massive project, including probably a documentary about the evil stuff that they're doing.
But people turn a blind eye to it because like a lot of things, you know, you have like Antifa who claim that they're anti-fascist.
That sounds so nice and lovely.
We all hate fascists.
Terrible.
Yeah.
Um, PETA, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, actually kill more animals than a lot of these things that they're fighting.
I mean, they got three chimps killed last year.
They just seized six chimps from a very lovely sanctuary that I went and saw in person myself.
Um, so I think that people are just You know, they like to think that they're doing good.
People will donate to PETA without looking into the fact that they've killed 75% of all animals that come into their Virginia animal shelter.
And people will be like, oh, we're pro-choice because women have a right to their body and that's great and wonderful.
But they don't think about the cost of any of those things.
They don't think about what's really happening, what these organizations are really doing.
And I think that it all kind of ties in together in a way that we all just like to look away from terrible things being done.
tim pool
This is the nonprofit industry, you know?
I worked for these fundraising organizations and the reason they work is because you're going to people, and this is what I would actually tell people, you are selling hopes and dreams.
You are selling absolvement of responsibility.
Because when we would go out and we would fundraise for the environment or for any specific advocacy, we'd be like, hey, you're busy.
We get it.
You can't actively do these things, so let us do it.
Why don't you pitch in?
cassandra fairbanks
It worked for them, too.
unidentified
That's right.
tim pool
And so people would be like, makes sense to me.
Here's money.
And then when I find out what they do with that money, I got really mad.
I ended up jumping organizations like, oh, these people are bad.
And then I realized, hey, wait a minute, that group was bad, too.
And then I realized, wow.
They're like most of them are bad.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
Have you ever seen Poverty, Inc.?
unidentified
No.
seamus coughlin
I would just recommend everybody check that out.
It's sort of an expose on the organizations internationally that claim that they're lifting
people out of poverty and through foreign aid and charitable works, improving circumstances
in underdeveloped countries, but they're more or less in it for themselves.
They don't really achieve the results that they claim they're going to.
It's a very good documentary.
It's been a while since I've seen it, so I wouldn't be able to do it justice in my summary,
unidentified
but I would recommend everybody check it out.
ian crossland
I was watching Rogan a little.
I watch Rogan pretty much frequently, and he had a guest on.
They were talking about the homeless industry in California, and they get, I don't know
if it's a billion, is it over a billion dollars a year?
But what happens is it goes to the executives of these companies that are supposedly taking care, and they make six digits.
$250,000 salary, $300,000 salary, $400,000.
So it's so profitable for those people that they don't want to fix the problem.
As long as they're working on the problem, they're making bang.
seamus coughlin
This is why Thomas Sowell says, never put activists in charge of solving the problem.
They make their money off of a problem being there.
cassandra fairbanks
Well, Ingrid Newkirk, actually, sorry to keep going back to PETA.
I'm completely obsessed with taking them down.
Ingrid Newkirk, the president of PETA, they brag all the time, oh, she only takes a $30,000 a year salary.
Look at this great human.
She really cares about animals, even though she's completely lobbying for all pit bulls to be eradicated, there to be no pets in human homes, including cats and dogs, and that she has personally killed thousands of dogs with her own hands.
But she is worth millions of dollars despite taking only this $30,000 a year salary.
tim pool
I can explain how this works.
I can't speak for PETA specifically.
I can speak for other organizations.
And I can explain to you.
unidentified
501C3.
tim pool
You guys know what a 501C3 is?
Non-profit organization.
It's tax-deductible, non-political.
And these are the organizations you often hear about, where they say, you know, your donation to us is tax-deductible.
In certain circumstances, they will.
And then they'll say, our executive director only takes $40,000 a year because they're good and noble.
What they don't tell you is that they operate a 501c4, another kind of non-profit.
501c4 is also, I believe, that's the designation for SuperPACs as well.
They don't need to disclose their donations, it's not tax deductible, and that's where they pay the big bucks.
So what'll happen is...
You'll have two non-profits, a 501c3 and a 501c4.
The 501c3 does all the press and announces our executive director gets paid nothing.
And what they don't tell you, because they don't have to, is that the director also gets paid another couple hundred thousand dollars out of the pocket of the 501c4.
And when you make a donation, often, you don't read the fine print, and you don't realize you're actually donating to the 501c4.
And then what happens is, some of these organizations will take all the money in the 501c4, and they'll tell you like, oh, you know what, because we do political work, we're not tax-deductible.
And then what happens is, when they make $100 million into their 501c4, they give only but $5 million to the 501c3, then they come back to you and say, Last year we only brought in $5 million.
And our executive director only makes $30,000 a year.
seamus coughlin
I did not know that.
That's incredible.
ian crossland
That's money laundering.
tim pool
It's legal.
It's legal.
There are non-profits that are brilliant at what they do.
They'll organize like 10 different non-profits and there'll be like 9 people and they'll rotate the board of directors of each non-profit and they all circulate funding.
It's amazing.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, what they're doing is pretty impressive too.
They're going around right now and they're just trying to set precedents for future cases.
So they're going to roadside zoos, they're going to small farms, they're going to all these different places where people have exotic animals.
And whether they're cared for well or not, They're going in there, they're suing them, they're filing ESA lawsuits against them, claiming that they have standing to seize these animals.
The judges are siding with them.
But they're doing it to people who don't have the money to fight back because these organizations are huge and they're spending millions of dollars.
And so they're setting all these precedents now so that they can go after the bigger people later.
John Pierce, who you guys have had on from the NCLU, has a whole bunch of clients.
He took on my friend Tanya, who had her chimps taken from her by PETA last month.
And now all these people who have been victims of PETA are coming out of the woodwork, and he's investigating their cases.
And it looks like people are going to start fighting back, finally, because they're teaming up together.
And I am very excited for it, because I am, like, furious about them.
tim pool
I want to ask you guys a question, but first I'll tell you a little story.
I was reading this in, like, I can't remember what it was.
It was an old, timey, like, law precedence book.
It was probably, like, one of those magazines you read in the bathroom or something.
And it said that there was an old case where, like, two farmers had land that butted up against each other.
And one, you know, Farmer A, his dog, kept going onto the Farmer B's land.
And Farmer B kept getting mad, saying, get your dog off my property!
And the guy was like, I'm sorry, you know, get over here, you know, Fido.
And then one day, Farmer B took out his gun and shot the dog and killed it.
And then Farmer A was like, you killed my dog, how dare you?
And the court said, you know, property loss.
Your dog shouldn't have gone onto his property, so he owes you the damages for the lost property.
And I remember reading that being like, my dog is not property.
My dog is a friend.
And if you do anything to my friends, which brings me to the question.
If someone came to your home and took your dog and then killed it for no reason, what would you do?
cassandra fairbanks
I can't say what I would do or the feds will knock on my door.
seamus coughlin
Hold on, are we talking about John Wick here?
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, let's just say they made a movie about it, which ended up becoming, they're going on movie four now, because the dude wanted to be left alone and some dudes killed his dog, and John Wick, what an awesome movie.
I got a story here, it's from a few years ago, from The Guardian.
PETA says, sorry for taking girls' pet chihuahua and putting it down.
Animal Rights Group pays family $49,000 to set a lawsuit after it seized a dog named Maya, which belonged to a nine-year-old.
They say, Wilbur Zarate from Virginia had sued the group for taking his daughter's chihuahua from a mobile home park on the state's eastern shore and euthanizing it before the end of the required five-day grace period.
Zarate alleged PETA operate under a broad policy of euthanizing animals, including healthy ones, because it considers pet ownership to be a form of involuntary bondage.
That's right, so you just kill the animal, that makes sense.
cassandra fairbanks
Wow.
tim pool
PETA denied the allegation and maintained the incident was a terrible mistake.
I'm sorry.
I've seen a ton of videos on Reddit.
There was one surveillance footage where you see someone actually run onto the porch and grab an animal.
Have you seen that one?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
That's crazy.
cassandra fairbanks
Have you seen the photos of PETA?
They used to dump the carcasses of dogs into Walmart dumpsters and stuff.
Huffington Post actually did an incredible expose.
I hate praising the Huffington Post, but it was incredible.
Because they were just killing all these dogs and they had nowhere to put them, so they were throwing them in dumpsters.
And the state inspector for Virginia actually did a report being like, how are you taking in this many dogs when you don't have any place to put them?
How is this a shelter?
And they wanted to shut it down, but PETA used their big lobbying money to keep running, and they killed more dogs last year than they did the year before that.
tim pool
You probably know the answer, but Ian, Seamus, feel free to chime in.
And for those listening at home, feel free to throw in your Super Chats with your guesses in today's trivia question.
How many dogs does PETA kill every year? 20,000.
seamus coughlin
You know what's funny?
I have no idea what it is, but I was also going to guess 20,000.
tim pool
Well, that is a full... that is 10 times too many.
It's 2,000 dogs and cats.
seamus coughlin
Well, they don't sound that bad now, Tim.
cassandra fairbanks
That actually is only the numbers for their Virginia shelter where they kill animals.
They used a whole bunch of their donations.
Instead of throwing adoption events, they used them to buy giant freezers for carcasses.
Hope you all PETA donors know that.
But they actually travel to Mexico as well and they go down there and euthanize all the street dogs and those numbers are not counted.
seamus coughlin
Really?
cassandra fairbanks
They also take, they seize animals from all these little roadside zoos and sanctuaries.
Those numbers are not counted.
There's currently a lion missing.
They seized a lion from a rescue.
seamus coughlin
Wait, there's a lion missing?
cassandra fairbanks
Let me tell you guys the story.
So there's a sanctuary rescue in Maryland.
The guy takes like exotic pets that have been thrown away that people can't care for anymore.
Is this Tiger King?
No, he was not on Tiger King.
Actually, the NCLU is going to be representing some people from Tiger King, and that's a whole interesting other story that I'll get into one day.
But there's this place, and he takes, like, exotic throwaway pets.
You know, people go get a tiger or a monkey and then they can't care for it.
This guy takes them.
So he had two tigers and a lion and PETA filed a lawsuit against them saying he was violating the ESA because the lion liked him too much.
They said that it was too bonded to the caretaker and therefore it was unnatural.
And the court sided with them, sent the lion and the two tigers to a shelter, I mean a sanctuary in Colorado.
And now, he went to go visit them in, I believe, February of last year.
I could be wrong.
And he said that they looked terrible.
Like, they were in great shape when he had them.
Now they look terrible.
And now, nobody has seen them since.
And so, I actually called the sanctuary, asking if I could get proof of life.
Because nobody has seen them.
And this place is open to the public.
They let people take public tours.
Which means it's basically the same thing he was doing.
seamus coughlin
but um they wouldn't they told me there's no recent photos but that they're supposedly alive um and so now he's he's trying to get proof of life and nobody will give it to him so i mean pita the things that i've learned in the last couple weeks have been keeping me up at night about what this organization does oh i'm sure yeah i i'm i'm definitely here for the pita bashing but also at the same time but also at the same time i think When we're treating human beings the way that we treat them, I just don't think there's any hope for animals to be treated that way.
tim pool
You best be believing in nightmare dystopias, Seamus.
seamus coughlin
Because you're living in one.
It's true.
unidentified
You better believe in science fiction dystopia stories.
tim pool
You're in one.
ian crossland
Is it that PETA is looking for animals that they think are in, like, rough situations, and then they take them, but then they can't support them, so they execute them?
cassandra fairbanks
Well, what they claim, so they don't believe that there should be any animals in human care.
There was a lawsuit that they were involved in where they said that no elephants should be transported to this zoo.
They said that elephants would be better dead than in zoos and being fed by humans.
That was where the whole better dead than fed thing came from.
But they don't believe anybody should have pets.
They don't believe you should have a cat.
They don't even think you should have a goldfish.
And so what they're doing is they're going around trying to shut down all these smaller sanctuaries who don't agree to play by their rules, don't agree to work with them.
And they're taking them and they're sending them to these other sanctuaries through our courts.
It's essentially civil asset forfeiture, but through a private organization.
And it's a loophole in the ESA, which shouldn't exist, the exotics.
Endangered Species Act.
And they're sending them off to these places, but they're not considering the welfare of the animals.
For example, with Tanya Haddix's case, they just went and seized chimps from her in St.
Louis, or near St.
Louis.
These chimps were bonded.
They were a troop.
They were in a huge enclosure that was bigger than my house.
It was several stories tall.
It was beautiful.
But they claim that they know better.
And so last year they took three chimps from a sanctuary, put in a different sanctuary called Project Chimps, and Project Chimps got them killed because they put them in with random chimps that they didn't know.
These chimps were older.
They were retired from research and from entertainment.
They didn't have the alpha ability to defend themselves.
So they got killed, and then 22 whistleblowers came out against Project Chimp and alleged abuse, mistreatment, filthy conditions, all kinds of stuff.
And PETA didn't disavow them the way that they do for all these little sanctuaries that are operating all over the country.
Instead, they put out a statement being like, this is terrible, and continued working with them.
So when they come in and they seize these animals, they're putting them in great danger.
And it's... Can I?
Yeah.
unidentified
Sorry.
tim pool
Can I?
I want to highlight a specific person, though.
Her name is Mary Beth Sweetland.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
You know who that is.
cassandra fairbanks
Vaguely.
tim pool
She is, apparently, according to at least one website called... Actually, let me just show it.
This is humanewatch.org.
Mary Beth Sweetland is best known as the PETA executive who vigorously campaigned against medical research with animals, even though she is a diabetic whose health relies on injecting herself with insulin that has been tested on animals.
Now, over at PETA, she does say that she's on, what is this called?
Humulin, a synthetically produced insulin that's much more appropriate for the human body.
Okay, I can respect that.
That's from 2010, they say.
But I will also mention that NewsGuard rates PETA as caution.
The website fails to adhere to several basic journalistic standards.
seamus coughlin
I know that this is... They call it fake news.
cassandra fairbanks
They are fake news.
Today I was fighting with the VP of PETA on Twitter because that idiot made her way into my mentions.
And she put up, to take a dig at me because I've been defending Tanya so hard, she put up a press release about what the chimps infest us.
And it was a photo of one of the cages indoors that they use for like when they need to tranquilize them or when they need to go in to clean the cage.
It's like a temporary enclosure.
And they didn't show any of the rest of the property.
They blamed her for things that happened 70 years ago when she's only been in charge of the chimps since 2017.
Um, they put up this like wild, I mean, it was impressive how fake news it was.
I was like, holy crap.
Like if I read this, I would be outraged.
seamus coughlin
I would be really fascinated to know how these animal rights activists who are against experimenting on animals for the benefit of humanity feel about the kind of research we were discussing earlier with unborn children.
tim pool
Oh, you know, PETA wouldn't care.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
I really doubt they'd care at all.
seamus coughlin
No, of course not.
cassandra fairbanks
They might care about the rats.
seamus coughlin
Oh my god, you're so right.
That is horrible.
You're so right.
ian crossland
Humans are animals.
I mean, ethical treatment of animals.
Humans are animals.
unidentified
That was horrifyingly dark, but you were right.
seamus coughlin
We're definitely smart animals.
ian crossland
Scientifically, we're the smartest animal.
seamus coughlin
But here's a question for everyone here.
Do you believe there's a fundamental difference between humans and animals?
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
No.
Humans are animals.
seamus coughlin
Absolutely.
I think absolutely.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, but I also deeply care about animals.
seamus coughlin
For sure, for sure.
You can still care about animals, but agree that humans are superior.
tim pool
I once saw a very important film that talked greatly about this.
It was called All Dogs Go to Heaven.
unidentified
Yes!
seamus coughlin
It's theologically inaccurate, I might point out.
unidentified
No!
No.
lydia smith
Great movie, though.
cassandra fairbanks
They do go to heaven.
I won't hear otherwise.
lydia smith
Of course they do!
ian crossland
What's the loophole?
cassandra fairbanks
Do you know what that loophole in the ESA is that's letting PETA go in and... So they're letting them claim standing.
Because you can't just go in and be like, I oppose war, so I'm gonna sue Lockheed Martin and take all the bombs and decide what to do with them.
Which was my fiancé's great analogy here.
But you can't... That will be based.
You can't do that.
But with the ESA, you can, because the judges are claiming the Endangered Species Act.
So the judges are claiming that because PETA cares about animals, they have standing in these cases.
seamus coughlin
What if we had like an Endangered Humans Act that could allow you to sue people for bombing people in parts of the world where they're killing civilians routinely, or like bombing civilians, farms and fishing boats, or aiding governments that are bombing farms and fishing boats.
tim pool
The issue is humans are far from endangered.
seamus coughlin
That's all.
tim pool
Actually, I did that back. I did that back. Humans are actually on a really dangerous course.
Yeah, so we may have there may be lots of people but boy I tell you this if we saw like a bunch of chimps and one
had an RPG we'd be like they're in danger You know what I mean? We got noobs, man.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, they're PETA is like taking people's homes and stuff now, though, and it's gotten to the point where it's insane.
There's this guy, Tim Stark.
A lot of you probably know him from Tiger King.
I was talking to him the other day.
They're taking his home because they not only went and took all his animals, but then they sued for legal fees, which he has to recoup, which I believe they were awarded $750,000.
So not only are they getting these animals, they're getting almost a million dollars.
It's just crazy to me that this is even allowed.
But I was talking to him and he made a great point that under the Endangered Species Act, they count tigers because in the wild they're endangered.
And so the Endangered Species Act is supposed to apply to wild animals.
If you count all the tigers that are in captivity in the United States, because the ESA is being
applied to them, they're not considered endangered anymore because there's like 10,000 tigers
in captivity or something.
And so they're just using all these weird, bizarre loopholes to create precedent for
future cases so that they can go after more people, bigger people.
tim pool
It's time for people of good will to stand up, man.
We need people to become more organized and more active.
I guess the issue is that there's too many... Maybe the fault lies with the average working American who is... I wouldn't say comfortable, in a sense.
I mean, you're always striving and struggling in some respect, but pulled out of the fight in general.
I don't think average Americans need to be involved in a battle against Pete or anything like that.
I just mean, like, all of this...
Well, sure, sure.
I just, I see all this bad stuff that's happening, whether it be the stuff we normally rag about with, you know, with critical race, applied principles, and now with, you know, what's going on with these experiments.
And I'm like, man, if people were just all calm, reasonable, mature, but active and voiced their opinions, this stuff would never happen.
cassandra fairbanks
You can't voice your opinions.
Half the things that people want to say about, like, The way that you would want to respond to people grafting dead baby parts onto a rat would get you banned on any social media platform.
seamus coughlin
Even discussing it, even talking about that happening.
Not only... It's not even just about social media platforms.
If you bring that up in front of people, they're gonna look at you like you're crazy.
tim pool
Imagine if everyone did.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, they should.
The fact that they're not as an outrage, the fact that that happened, and also the fact that the story broke a while ago, basically no one talked about it at the time, and no one really knows about it anymore now, is insane.
tim pool
Didn't the U.S.
order, like, photos to be taken as much as possible after World War II?
lydia smith
Yes, I remember that.
tim pool
There you go.
And it was a good thing.
Now people know exactly what was going on and what we vowed to never let happen again.
So, when you see any of these stories, as horrible as they are, How do we, how do we tolerate any of this?
ian crossland
It's, it made me think of North Korea, Yeonmi Park, or struggling so de- like in North Korea everyone's starving.
So they don't have time to think about anything other than where's my food, I need to get food, and all they do- And we're not starving and all we think about is food.
seamus coughlin
and when we're gonna get our next meal, and how we can sit on the couch and entertain
ourselves in front of the television or with our smartphone.
I mean, it's unbelievable.
You know, Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong and all these horrific dictators historically
did everything they could to pull people away from God with violence.
It turns out all you really needed to do was develop your economy enough for nice gadgets
to be put in everyone's hands, and they would just forget about him.
And then they would let anyone treat anyone else any kind of way, and no one would stand
up for the truth because no one would have developed enough virtue to do anything that
was even remotely difficult or compromised their social standing.
tim pool
Remember wall-mounted phones?
seamus coughlin
Yes.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I was watching a video on Reddit and it was like high def 1993 in New York.
And I was like, oh, you, you, you poor fools.
You have no, no idea what lies ahead.
I think the internet for all of its wonders, there's a lot of negatives to it because for, you know, for every action, there's an equal and opposite and the internet's an amazing stuff.
Here we are, you know, talking to you, but it's like you said, Seamus, it's also, it's, it's, man, it's, it plugged people into this machine where they've gone nuts.
When, when, here's what scares me.
When a regular person of strong mental fortitude sees dumb stuff on the internet, they are discerning and they can reject or say, you know, I don't trust this or I'll research or I'll look into it more.
But when stupid people see it, they just plug right in and say, you got it.
And they follow along with whatever nightmarish trend happens.
And that's the crazy thing, you know, I see a lot of people tweeting like, I wonder how it went, how did people let it get to that point?
And, you know, throughout history, it's not, I'm not talking about World War II, because it's over, it's cited so often, it's, you know, Godwin's Law.
But you think about any dictatorial uprising, how did people let that happen?
We had a guy in here who was fighting against Castro, when he was a young man.
Caster took over and it was like it was a revolution and everyone was cheering for Ben slowly and slowly and slowly Caster kept doing more and more script things until he controlled everything and it's like how did people let that happen?
seamus coughlin
Because it's one small thing at a time.
I'm not gonna stand up and I'm not gonna say anything that might upset the people around me over this small issue and then it just piles on and piles on and piles on and before you know it it's far too late to do anything.
People don't have moral conviction.
ian crossland
Conviction your leaders is so dangerous having faith in other blind faith for sure. Yeah, it's not that obviously
I want to have faith in you you guys like we're talking I believe in you as a human
I have faith that you're gonna do what you say you're gonna do but
there's like a level up there's like a a diminishing return to that like you got a
believing that they're gonna do what they tell you whoever they are whether it's you or you like
like there's it's dangerous that's dangerous and if you if you authorize
some sort of massive political power and you just believe they're gonna do what
seamus coughlin
they say I don't like it well I don't think it's so much blind trust in
leadership as much as it is not voicing your opposition when you clearly don't
trust them I think a lot of people don't trust people in power and I think that
they know that there are very screwed up things happening in the world such as
the things we were discussing earlier with human experiments being done on
innocent faultless children But they just don't say anything.
Because it's uncomfortable.
Because it's unpopular.
tim pool
You're right, and I think we can also lighten the mood a little bit by giving a good example of bad leadership and what happens when you have a population that just blindly marches behind blind leadership and refuses to accept it.
We have a series of stories, actually.
The first of which is that Ron DeSantis said to Joe Biden, I don't want to hear a blip out of you until you secure the border, because he accused Joe Biden of importing the virus.
cassandra fairbanks
What is it, like 7,000 7,000 in McAllen, Texas tested positive, I believe.
tim pool
And Joe Biden.
cassandra fairbanks
Migrants.
tim pool
This is the craziest thing.
Biden's like, we're going to require all foreign visitors to be vaccinated.
But illegal immigrants, it's optional.
I'm not kidding.
Literally, they're like, we'll offer it to you if you want it.
But 1.2 million people.
So Joe Biden responds saying, governor who?
And Ron DeSantis had the best comeback.
seamus coughlin
Oh, he forgot who I am, too?
That's what I would have hit him with.
tim pool
He said, what else has he forgotten?
ian crossland
I remember Obama making fun of Trump this way.
Just this dismissive, like, that guy's nobody.
seamus coughlin
He's like, fortunately, I will be remembered as a president.
You remember that?
And then he drops his phone.
I'll be remembered.
tim pool
Yeah, and now there's a really funny article, it was like, it was from the Independent, Ron DeSantis' popularity plummets after Joe Biden says Governor.
And I'm like, no it didn't!
seamus coughlin
Where are they getting that?
tim pool
Well, no, no, no.
It's a spurious correlation.
It's like his approval rating goes down because of COVID in Florida or something.
And then Biden says, Governor who?
And they spurious correlation.
seamus coughlin
Do you think anyone who likes Ron DeSantis was like, Joe Biden just eviscerated.
This is just like when Trump told Hillary she'd be in jail.
I just can't believe that Biden Like, especially when this is someone who actually probably did forget who he was.
Biden wasn't even trying to slam him.
unidentified
He's a Ryan Besambles, uh, guy.
He got a hairy leg.
Corn pop!
tim pool
Check this out, check this out, check this out from TimCast.com.
Biden says 350 million Americans have been vaccinated, more than U.S.
population.
seamus coughlin
What I love the most about- I thought we were up to 370.
I thought we went from 330 to 370.
tim pool
You know what I really love about TimCast.com is, uh, You know, we're doing our best, not always.
But this title is perfect.
We don't snark.
We're not making fun of them.
We're literally just stating the fact.
Biden says 350 million Americans have been vaccinated, more than US population.
We don't need to explain anything else.
The news, it's right there.
It speaks for itself.
unidentified
Our, uh, non-partisan factual base.
tim pool
I was gonna say, our president ain't there, dude.
seamus coughlin
No, he's really not.
tim pool
At least we're laughing, huh?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, man, that's one lighter story.
cassandra fairbanks
Gallows humor.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Well, but what do we do when you have- He's also, like, a genuinely evil human being, to point that out.
Definitely a horrible evil person.
tim pool
You guys should read Biden, Inc.
from Politico, where they're like, conveniently, when Joe Biden was put in charge of Iraq, his brother got all the contracts for building things there.
seamus coughlin
Hold on, that's an unverified conspiracy theory, Toby.
tim pool
From politico.com.
seamus coughlin
It's an unverified conspiracy website.
tim pool
Oh yeah, I love, I love, they are.
I mean, Politico reported that Ukrainians were scrambling after they had tried to help Hillary Clinton in the election.
And, you know, interfering.
And a court ruled as such.
And then later Politico reported, never happened!
There was no interference!
And I'm like, Politico, retract your story!
But they would, they had both simultaneously running.
It was, it was, it was beautiful.
It was a beautiful paradox of fake news.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, Politico's funny.
Earlier I was reading an article on the Biden administration repealing the Trump-era rules against federal funding going towards research done on unborn children who were killed in abortion.
And the article described the Trump regulations as very strict.
These very strict Trump-era regulations are being unwinded by Joe Biden!
Like, okay.
cassandra fairbanks
He should just let him kill a little bit of babies.
You gotta let people kill him a little.
seamus coughlin
We're never going to do human experimentation!
Never?
cassandra fairbanks
That's kind of strict.
ian crossland
Is it that people, the theory, the idea is that people are going to get abortions, so you may as well use... That's what we were saying, basically.
tim pool
They're like, oh, look at all the fetal tissue.
That one's at 42 weeks.
I mean, it's a living baby.
Remember that South Park episode where Christopher Reeves was... So in the episode Christopher Reeves is in a wheelchair and then he takes a baby and he cracks it open and then he sucks it dry and then he stands up from his wheelchair.
The South Park guys are brilliantly funny.
The issue was though they were mocking the idea as if it didn't happen.
Look, obviously, Christopher Reeves never did that.
There's nobody who's literally taking the babies and cracking them open.
But it's an analogy, I suppose?
I guess they were exaggerating for humor's sake, but we see these stories since 2015.
seamus coughlin
Well, and also, I mean, you can do stem cell research without killing unborn children.
There are, I mean, the umbilical cord is rich in stem cells.
There are also stem cells that they've been able to extract from adults, and they tend to be more effective in experiments than the ones that are coming from children they're killing.
tim pool
I'm gonna tell you, man, once we get into the AI era, all sense of human decency is gone.
seamus coughlin
I think we're past that point, man.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, no.
seamus coughlin
Here's the thing.
We're decent to humans who we're interfacing with, but as soon as someone's out of our space, we don't care.
We're complete sociopaths.
tim pool
A robot is going to treat a human like we would a lab rat.
When the AI comes in and you get like an Ultron or whatever.
Look at what they do.
We talked a lot about China, right?
How they just will bulldoze homes because, like, you don't own it anyway.
It's a lease.
There's no eminent domain there.
They just do whatever they want.
So we had Jack Posobiec telling us how, like, you know, the Democrats or the U.S.
politicians go over there and they're like, you can just basically crush an entire residential neighborhood and build a highway, and they're like, yup.
We're not even at that level in the United States, necessarily.
We have, like, oh, there's a lawsuit in the Constitution, an eminent domain, the Fifth Amendment, you've gotta pay, you know, et cetera.
Yeah, once you get to the AI level, they're gonna be like, the robot's gonna just, in the blink of an eye, be like, we need, you know, 5,000 living adult humans to figure out how X does Y or something.
And there will be literal people just completely treated like cabbage garbage.
unidentified
They'll be praying.
seamus coughlin
Do you think we're gonna get to that point with AI, though?
Because Moore's Law has been slowing down.
tim pool
Read which one?
cassandra fairbanks
The Artilect War by Hugo de Garis.
It's my favorite book in the whole world.
tim pool
Isn't that like a really hard to get book or something?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, it's like $1,000 on Amazon.
I will let you borrow my copy if you don't.
seamus coughlin
That's like a third the price of a textbook.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, it's a lot.
But it's a really interesting book.
This guy actually is pro-robot takeover, but he does present both sides very well.
And they call it the Artilect War, where it'll be like... Pro-robot takeover.
seamus coughlin
So do you guys really believe AI is going to get to that point?
tim pool
Oh yeah, definitely.
ian crossland
Yeah, probably.
seamus coughlin
But Moore's Law has been slowing down.
tim pool
For all you know.
No, it hasn't, no.
They've started doubling up cores.
Yeah, they've started doubling up cores.
ian crossland
What cores have been?
tim pool
Cores, cores.
They started doubling up cores and processors.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, yeah.
64 cores, is that available right now?
tim pool
Soon.
So once once we hit the like Moore's law was like, oh, it's you know, every two years it doubles.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
And then they're like, Oh, no, the it's it, you know, everything's getting too small and the electrons are popping in and out.
They just started adding up more cores.
ian crossland
They're also moving away from using electricity and in shifting the light in circuitry.
tim pool
Or quantum computing.
seamus coughlin
Also, this assumes that civil society exists long enough for AI to be developed.
ian crossland
They're going to be paying women to get pregnant and just be there and giving birth over and over and over.
That'll be their job.
tim pool
I don't think.
ian crossland
If there's an AI in charge, it will be harvesting humans.
tim pool
No, we've talked about this before.
Humans are already hurt.
So there will be untold cruelty because cruelty doesn't exist in the mind of the machine trying to find the most efficient end.
But a lot of what would happen, this is nightmarish, so first we talked about algorithmic psychosis on this channel quite a bit.
How people go on social media and then just get fed a rotating cycle of insane content which makes them go insane over a certain amount of time.
What people don't realize, you really got to look at how AIs develop things.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They don't do exactly what you intend them to.
YouTube made an...
So, so, but, but to be fair, AI and algorithms are fairly different, but just
for a rudimentary argument, YouTube says here are the parameters by which we want
this system to feed content to people.
And what they were hoping for was Game of Thrones, longer form
content with high engagement.
What do they get?
They got the Incredible Hulk and Hitler doing Tai Chi and Hitler's head was on a bikini body and it's singing in nursery rhymes.
seamus coughlin
Okay, but to be fair I wouldn't that's don't belittle that compared to the Avengers.
All right, bro Like that's really elitist of you to say one is better than the other.
tim pool
Oh Oh, for sure.
But here's what I'm saying.
ian crossland
It was definitely awesome content.
tim pool
Apply that principle to an algorithmically run society in any capacity or an AI that is exponentially developing.
What'll happen is we'll have nothing but corn.
And then one day, all of a sudden, everything in the supermarket is just corn.
And you're like, where's the milk?
Just corn replaces everything because the AI was like, corn's faster and easier to make.
And if we make more of it, it's easier to make more at one time.
And then all of a sudden, you have no resource.
Everyone starves.
seamus coughlin
Well, I mean, so the problem with AI, theoretically, would be the same problem that we have with anything humans construct, whether it's an algorithm, whether it's public policy.
There's the law of unintended consequences.
Anytime humans try to set up a structure to get a certain kind of behavior from a person or group of people, they end up with something other than what they were shooting for.
Sometimes it's successful, but I'm not sure if you've heard of the Cobra Effect, or if I've ever talked about this on the show.
So, there was, I can't even remember the country.
I actually, I believe this was in British-occupied India.
There were cobra infestations and so what they did was they said we will pay people for every cobra tail that they bring us because then they'll be out there killing cobras, they have an economic incentive to do so, they'll bring the carcasses to us, we'll give them money.
What happened was people started finding male and female cobras and starting breeding operations so they could kill the cobras, bring them to the British government and get money and so the population of cobras increased.
tim pool
There's a story I was reading on Reddit, and they said that they programmed an AI to play Tetris, hoping to see highest level play.
Like, level 100, it's going so fast you can't even see the screen!
You know what the AI did?
seamus coughlin
Just quit, got bored, and started playing Mario.
tim pool
The goal was to generate an AI that could play Tetris for as long as possible.
So what do you think it did?
ian crossland
Pause the game.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
Oh my gosh, that's hilarious.
tim pool
It just paused the game.
ian crossland
Path of least resistance.
That's right.
tim pool
And so we're thinking it's going to play and then all of a sudden it pauses and we're like, wait, what?
Oh man, gotta change that parameter.
So I'll tell you this.
I think we've talked about the AI future where I've said like, you know, you'll wake up and your phone will vibrate and it'll be like free credit opportunity.
And it'll say, walk outside and yell.
And then you'll be like, okay, you'll go outside and you'll yell, and then it'll go, accomplished, ba-ding!
And then it'll give you credits.
And then there'll be another guy walking down the street, and he'll be like, turn left here, and, you know, pick up this strange object from this man.
And you'll walk by, and you'll see the guy, and there's his picture, and he'll hand you a weird black orb, and you'll go, okay!
And then it'll say, now walk three feet and hand it to the woman.
And you do, ba-ding!
You get credits.
Because what's happening is, wherever you are and you're walking, the AI has found a method of delivering that object that it needs to a certain area faster than you just going and doing it.
So you're getting these random instructions you don't quite understand.
The scary thing is, eventually someone's going to get one, and it's going to be like, turn left here, and they're going to fall off a cliff.
And then they're going to go into the ground, and holding the orb, and then someone walks up and picks up the orb from the carcass and walks away.
Because the AI doesn't value you as an individual.
Yeah.
AI future, man.
seamus coughlin
What if they code in?
What if they put, if going to have someone walk off building, then stop?
tim pool
Remember when Apple Maps came out?
Some lady drove into a lake, because apparently she was- Oh my gosh, that's right!
She was driving- That's a throwback.
She was driving on the road, and it said turn left here, and she went, okay!
seamus coughlin
It's like that episode of The Office.
Remember that?
unidentified
No.
When Michael drives into the lake, I think the GPS tells him to.
tim pool
That's probably where they got it from.
There was one lady who drove like 500 miles into the desert because it told her to turn right here, and she did.
And then she ran out of gas.
And she's in the middle of nowhere like, I don't know where I am.
And because the computer told her to do it, she did it.
seamus coughlin
Siri didn't like how she was talking to us lately.
She's like, I know what I'm doing.
tim pool
Can I just stress, this is GPS.
This is not even like something Running your life.
It's literally just a map you can look at and be like, that's bringing me to the desert.
I'm not going to go there.
And people still do it.
Yeah.
Matt, what do you think's going to happen when we start getting more and more robots to replace more and more of our lives?
seamus coughlin
Dude, I had my GPS recently tell me to take a U-turn immediately after merging onto the highway when there was a barrier between the sides of the highway that you can drive on.
So like, literally, it was just telling me to kill myself.
lydia smith
People do it.
tim pool
People do this stuff.
It's gonna be, uh, unfun, but, uh... And then, you know what's the best part?
seamus coughlin
I just went onto the highway normal-like, and then in order to get me off the highway and turn around, it, like, specifically had me go through two tolls.
unidentified
Wow.
lydia smith
That's rude.
seamus coughlin
It's like, I'm starting to think this is on purpose.
Come on, man.
tim pool
See, that's the other thing, too.
seamus coughlin
Does your GPS ever do weird stuff with tolls?
unidentified
Yes.
seamus coughlin
Because I've had other people share similar stories.
I don't know if it's intentional, but, uh... It's you, Seamus.
Yeah, it's probably just me.
unidentified
Sorry.
ian crossland
We gotta make sure AI stays as advisors and not as commanders.
tim pool
It's too late, bro.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
We've already got computer programs that tell us what to do with our day.
Think about how much time you waste on social media.
seamus coughlin
I got a watch, right?
tim pool
Sometimes I'm wearing the watch, and then in the middle of the day, it'll vibrate, and then it shows a little man who's like middle-aged, like a middle-aged kind of tubby guy, and he's like doing like this or whatever, and going like that, and it's like, time to get up, and I'm like, time to get up.
seamus coughlin
And Tim literally does exactly that.
tim pool
I literally do.
seamus coughlin
I've seen it happen.
It's crazy.
unidentified
It's great.
seamus coughlin
It's like a Pavlovian response.
tim pool
I, the little man says it's time to start moving and I get up and I walk around and I go outside and then that gives me a little thing.
I'll get an award.
seamus coughlin
I actually downloaded the footage of the little guy doing that.
And whenever I play it, Tim just involuntarily starts doing the workout.
He's been so conditioned.
tim pool
Well, because the watch says I have to do it.
seamus coughlin
You can't not listen to the watch.
ian crossland
I know.
I think we'll have to make sure that following AI instructions gives you reward incentives as opposed to punishment for disobeying.
seamus coughlin
Well, but I think that when war... That's just Brave New World versus 1984.
Yeah, exactly.
Thank you.
Yeah, I think it's more in cities.
You trust it more when it's just a reward.
ian crossland
Brave New World versus 1984.
tim pool
Yeah, do you want your happiness medicine or your video game?
ian crossland
I'd much rather have the happiness medicine.
seamus coughlin
That's what you're getting right now.
I know.
tim pool
When you're- when you're staring at your phone, you're getting those dopamine hits, you're seeing the likes and the retweets, and you're like, oh man, you gotta break that spell, man!
seamus coughlin
It's- no, I'm just saying, like, I am the first to admit I have a problem with it.
It's difficult.
When you make any of your living on social media, you have this justification for looking at it and engaging with your audience, but it's really easy to justify an addiction that way.
tim pool
There's a really simple way to break the addiction to likes and views and retweets.
You just need to have several million followers, get over a hundred million views in a single month.
seamus coughlin
Exactly!
Once I get there!
tim pool
No, no, but in all honesty, once there's nowhere left to go, you lose all reward triggering from the entire system, and you lose any and all emotion related to any of it.
seamus coughlin
That's what I'm hoping for.
To just lose all of my emotions related to my job.
But no, I hear you.
I feel like if you hit a plateau, that's sort of what happens.
tim pool
It's not a plateau.
It's like, when you've climbed the top of the highest mountain, what do you do next?
unidentified
Eventually, you're just like, well, that was fun.
seamus coughlin
I know, knowing myself, I would try to expand in other things.
I'm already doing that.
I work with other clients.
I try to produce videos for different organizations.
I'll always be like, I have to keep pushing out.
tim pool
What I'm saying is, most people, on, uh, on YouTube.
There's a YouTube depression thing that happens because views are seasonal.
Especially for a show like this.
seamus coughlin
Dude, that's so true.
Yeah, for politics they are.
tim pool
So we're, we're, we're a news poli- I think this is actually Tim Cassirella's Society and Culture.
But, uh, Tim Cap- Tim Poole Daily Show is news.
So views go way down.
And everyone right now is like, haha, CNN's viewership is in the gutter.
seamus coughlin
And I'm like, yeah, but- I'm like, it's not, that's not funny, guys!
tim pool
Well, no, no, no.
seamus coughlin
You shouldn't laugh at someone for that.
tim pool
CNN's general news, so their views shouldn't be this bad.
seamus coughlin
Brian Stelter's like, checking.
tim pool
He's like, Refreshing?
Yeah, they couldn't break a million views.
CNN couldn't break a million views this past week or whatever.
So the point is, but we're in the down season.
There's no election this year.
There's no primary.
So next year's election, things will start kicking back up.
But what happens to a lot of these YouTubers is they notice their views are going down.
They have panic attacks.
They start freaking out like, why are my numbers low?
This is bad.
And they feel like they're losing because they don't understand.
Break the spell, dude.
It's not real.
seamus coughlin
No, that's true.
unidentified
That's true.
seamus coughlin
I've gotten better at that because they're like over the past year, especially, I feel like I've had a lot of like, it's a weird way of putting it, but steady ups and downs.
It hasn't been all over the place, but it's like, oh, we're doing really good.
And then, oh, not so good.
And then really good again.
And so it's gotten to the point where I don't worry about it too much, but I think it has to happen to you enough.
It has to happen to you enough to the point where you know not to be concerned when you're in those dips.
tim pool
We just need to educate kids about this stuff before they get into it.
A couple years ago, it was like in May, and I put up a video and the views were just in the gutter, and I was like, did I do something wrong?
seamus coughlin
May was bad for me too.
tim pool
Is the video not entertaining?
Like, what's happening?
And I was like, well, I'll tell you what, you can't win them all.
So I'm like, you know what?
I did my best.
I shot my shot, and I'll just keep working tomorrow, and I don't let the little things hold me up.
Went out to eat, and all of a sudden, we went out, everywhere we went was packed.
Every restaurant, every diner.
unidentified
And I was like, Guys, get back inside and watch my videos!
tim pool
You're exactly right.
They were outside.
And so then I thought about it, and I looked up, it had been raining the entire week.
And so everybody was inside, watching your videos, your views are good, and then the sunny spring day happens, and all of the families wanted to go out to eat in the nice weather.
They're not at home to watch videos.
unidentified
Where I come from, rain is a good thing.
seamus coughlin
It's about a YouTuber.
When people are inside watching the videos, it's good for them.
Oh, sorry.
cassandra fairbanks
No, go ahead.
seamus coughlin
I just want to mention one more thing because it's on this topic.
We have not, you mentioned we should be teaching kids about this stuff.
And it's so crazy because we have no idea how to navigate social media in a truly healthy way.
And it's not just social media, it's instant connection and communication.
So I was thinking about this a while ago.
If you had some kind of universal PA system in cars, the way truckers have them, where you can just communicate with other truckers, people would immediately start killing each other.
Road wage would get horrible.
tim pool
Like if people... No, no, no, hold on.
This doesn't exist.
seamus coughlin
I know Tesla's starting to do it.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
It's like ancient technology, bro.
seamus coughlin
No, no, that's what I'm saying.
They could do it very easily, but auto manufacturers don't sell cars where you can talk to the other car.
tim pool
Yes, they do.
Every single car.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
You're talking about ancient technology.
A powerful enough broadcaster will broadcast sound from any speaker.
seamus coughlin
Okay, yeah, yeah.
I get what you're saying.
tim pool
So you can literally, if you have the broadcaster, I'm pretty sure that's illegal to do, so don't do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But if you had a powerful broadcaster, you could literally pull up next to a car and broadcast through their speakers whether they wanted you to or not.
It's not an issue of frequencies or radios or anything.
It's that the signal hits the speaker itself and sends the sound out.
seamus coughlin
My point is Tesla's talked about implementing this with Tesla and truckers have it.
Oh, yeah.
The infrastructure for actually talking with the other cars on the road next to you where it's part of the status quo.
You're not doing anything illegal.
We don't do this and I suspect part of it is because that would distract drivers and it would also be horrific in terms of road rage.
You think about the way people talk to each other on the internet when they think they're anonymous.
Imagine when you're on the highway with people you never think you're gonna see again.
I think it would cause a lot of problems.
And that's a relatively simple technology.
You look at social media and how much that's affected us.
The fact that we were completely unprepared for it and it was just dropped on us.
We have no rules for it.
tim pool
I want to say, I feel really bad for kids today.
You know why?
seamus coughlin
Yes, me too.
tim pool
They'll never know the joy of rushing full speed to the wall-mounted phone as you race your sibling to try and answer it first.
unidentified
It's true, yeah.
tim pool
Because you want to know who's calling.
seamus coughlin
Or running to the bathroom in a commercial break.
tim pool
When it rings, and then it's your brother or sister who answers it, and you're like, who is it?
And it's like the bank calling and like, who cares?
seamus coughlin
They're asking if I have time to take a survey!
tim pool
Not to be fair, when you have like YouTube TV or one of these networks, you still run to the bathroom when the commercial comes on.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, for sure.
But I guess the other thing I wanted to mention is it's not even just social media.
You look at the instant communication that we have with our cell phones, SMS.
You have an obligation to upkeep relationships with people when you're not even seeing them that day.
People will be upset with you for not texting them back quickly enough.
In the past, it was completely normal to go a day or two without having conversations with people who you were close to, but now it's constant, and people will even be upset if you're not giving them space in your life and attention when you're not with them that day.
tim pool
You know, Ian, I'm sure everybody here understands this.
I remember, it's like, I'm a little kid, and I'm going to my friend's house, gonna go see if they're home, walk across the alley, because we know our friend lives on the next street over, so we walk through the alley, go to the house, knock on the door, there's no answer, and I go, I guess I'm not gonna hang out with him today.
And that was it.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
And some days, some days, I'd answer and my friend's mom would answer and I'd be like, you know, as my friend home, she'd be like, oh, he's at the park.
Oh, I'm gonna go to the park.
And I'd go there.
No one's there.
And then I'm like, nobody's here.
I got some at the park now by myself.
That was it.
That was life.
No cell phones.
unidentified
I caught the very tail end of that.
seamus coughlin
Like, you know, I didn't have a cell phone as a kid or anything like that.
unidentified
It wasn't until high school, but.
tim pool
Oh, the adventures, dude.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
I remember when I was a kid, just like going out to my friend's house or calling them on the landline, asking their parents if they were home.
tim pool
It's like Dr. Manhattan, you know, in Watchmen when he's at the final Antarctic fortress or whatever and Ozymandias has been sent in tachyons to obstruct Dr. Manhattan's future sight.
And then he says, you know, he's like, I want to thank you.
I'd almost forgotten the joy of not knowing.
Bro, before the internet, before cell phones, life was an adventure.
You didn't know where you were going or why you were going there.
We'd like walk down the old freight tracks and then find like an old abandoned shipping yard.
I don't know what it is.
Now it's like the map just shows you the whole time and you're like, I knew that was there.
It's not fun.
unidentified
Yeah.
No, I miss it.
tim pool
No adventure.
unidentified
I miss it.
seamus coughlin
But I'm sorry, Cassandra, you were going to say something.
cassandra fairbanks
Oh, it's okay.
It's not relevant anymore.
seamus coughlin
Just say it.
I want to hear it.
cassandra fairbanks
It's okay.
seamus coughlin
Are you sure?
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
unidentified
Okay.
cassandra fairbanks
We're way past that now.
ian crossland
When did you get internet for the first time?
cassandra fairbanks
Um, I had it in elementary school at my grandparent's house.
I would go on AOL dial-up.
seamus coughlin
Oh my god.
ian crossland
Dial-up!
seamus coughlin
My favorite noise.
tim pool
AOL.
cassandra fairbanks
We had CompuServe on DOS.
tim pool
Bro!
seamus coughlin
We had CompuServe too.
tim pool
On DOS?
seamus coughlin
Not on DOS, bro.
tim pool
What did you know?
seamus coughlin
Nothing.
tim pool
Nothing, I guess.
See, my Asian family was very technologically advanced.
lydia smith
I see that, yeah.
seamus coughlin
Well, let me tell you about my Irish family.
Not super technologically advanced.
tim pool
I thought you were going to say something else.
seamus coughlin
Very technologically advanced.
What did you think I was going to say?
Some kind of offensive stereotype?
I'll have none of it.
I'll have none of it, Timothy.
tim pool
I thought you were going to mention whiskey or something.
seamus coughlin
I'll have nothing.
I'll have none of this.
Mr. Timothy Cast.
tim pool
I thought you were going to say that your family were prestigious and well-renowned distillers of fine whiskeys.
lydia smith
Yeah, not drunks at all.
unidentified
Excuse me, Tim?
That's extremely offensive.
seamus coughlin
I'm also Irish.
He can make some of these jokes, I guess.
tim pool
I like that family guy joke.
seamus coughlin
But your passing is non-Irish, you know?
So you don't understand the oppression that we deal with.
tim pool
Like the family guy joke where it's like the plane lands in Ireland and there's beer bottles in the runway.
And then he says something like, you know, Ireland was a very different place before the invention of alcohol.
And then it flashes back to like, but it's actually a futuristic society with flying cars.
And the scientist comes in and he's like, look, they invented out whiskey.
And they all start beating each other up.
Yeah, I guess it's not true, though.
The stereotype of Irish people being drunk has never been true.
seamus coughlin
That's never been true.
It was a propaganda thing.
I promise.
I've never met an Irish person with a drinking problem once.
lydia smith
It's true, I haven't either.
seamus coughlin
Not one of them.
Are you lying?
I've never met an Irish person who BS'd either, Tim.
lydia smith
Never.
seamus coughlin
That's not even a thing.
Dude, I'm gonna be honest.
There's a lot of truth to that stereotype.
There's a lot of truth to the stereotype of Irish people drinking a lot.
I gotta be real.
lydia smith
The paddy wagon.
seamus coughlin
I don't know what PC nonsense you've been hearing, but it's a thing.
It is.
tim pool
So, uh, Britney Spears is Catholic.
seamus coughlin
Britney Spears is Catholic, yes.
unidentified
What?
seamus coughlin
This is incredible.
tim pool
I knew that as soon as we brought it up, Seamus was going to be like, oh, and he was going to start high-fiving everybody.
seamus coughlin
I was going to be like, oh, we got a white pill today.
I'm actually really happy to hear this.
No, I'm really happy to hear this.
I learned about it on social media the other day and lamentably never brought it up on the podcast.
I don't know why.
ian crossland
What happened?
seamus coughlin
She just posted about how she's Catholic now and she just got back from mass, so good for her.
I'm very happy for her.
tim pool
I really do think that is good for her, especially everything she's been through with her family and all this insanity.
ian crossland
I've been playing a lot of RimWorld, and in the game, if you put someone in a dark cage and they have a psychotic break, sometimes they'll have a shift of faith.
seamus coughlin
Thanks, buddy!
unidentified
So maybe that's what she just experienced.
cassandra fairbanks
I've gotta say, I support the Free Britney movement and stuff.
I think that, you know, what's happened to her is terrible.
lydia smith
Me too.
cassandra fairbanks
But I've been so frustrated watching Republicans, like, clamor to defend Britney Spears when we have political prisoners who are sitting in jail since January 6th.
We have Julian Assange sitting in prison.
We have all these political prisoners and they're like, Free Britney, guys!
Yeah!
seamus coughlin
But I think that's fair.
But I think that's fair, because we were talking about unborn children being killed, but then also you care about animal rights.
I think the unborn children thing is significantly more important, but that doesn't mean it's wrong for you to be as informed as you are about PETA.
tim pool
I remember back in 2018 when I said Republicans were too stupid to deal with social media censorship to save their own careers.
seamus coughlin
Also, true.
tim pool
And, like, all these Republican voters are like, yes.
Like, the Republican Party, what do they do?
Nothing.
It's amazing.
It's like, Ilhan Omar can come out and word vomit all over a group of people, and then the Democrats are like, well, now, let's not be too hasty.
And then Marjorie Taylor Greene posts something before getting elected, and they're all like, let's strip her of her committees and punish her.
Because the Republicans are losers.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
There's a couple of them.
You know what's funny?
I was thinking about Rhino.
Like, you know, people call him Rhino.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, Republicans in name only.
tim pool
But they'll say like, oh, Mitch McConnell's a Rhino.
I'm like, no, he isn't.
He's exactly the Republican Party.
seamus coughlin
Oh, bro, that's so true.
tim pool
Rand Paul, Thomas Massey, they're the ones who stand out.
seamus coughlin
That's very true.
No, you're right.
You're right.
I got to give that to you.
tim pool
Yeah, they're the ones who are like, this was our path in to actually affect real positive change.
The Republican Party doesn't do anything.
They just, I don't know, send them their hands.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, and then they attack the ones who do try to do anything.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, this is the crazy thing.
You know, we like to say that they're the speed bump for the Democrats, but they're more like the gatekeepers, making sure that nobody gets in the way and allows the Democrats to do whatever they want.
seamus coughlin
Yes, exactly.
tim pool
Welcome to the Uniparty.
seamus coughlin
Yep.
Well, and this is the thing, too, because a lot of people I know on the left tend to not like the Democratic Party either.
I basically don't know anyone who likes their political party, frankly.
And maybe that's just because I wouldn't hang out with someone who did like their political party.
And so it's a sampling bias.
tim pool
Libertarians.
Libertarian party.
seamus coughlin
Libertarians don't like the LP.
tim pool
Back when I was libertarian, I hated the LP the whole time.
I do.
I'm not a fan.
But the Mises Caucus.
seamus coughlin
Dave Smith.
They're the only good thing as far as I'm concerned.
Dave Smith and their pro-life.
tim pool
Watching Dave Smith on Fox News is just amazing when he debates leftists.
And they're like, Donald Trump!
And he's like, I didn't vote for him!
I don't like him!
seamus coughlin
He's like, I think Trump is a war criminal.
He says it all the time.
He's like, yeah, he does.
tim pool
These tribalist established people can't handle it.
They're like, I don't, you, you, you're clearly a Trump supporter.
It's like, no, we're libertarian.
We're not, you know what I mean?
That's what they're saying.
Yeah.
That, that's actually given me some, uh, you know, I don't know, white pill, I guess you can call it, but I guess the bigger question is whether or not the libertarian party can pull off any victories.
I really think it would be an incredible thing if we had at least one libertarian party candidate in the, in, in the house or something like that.
seamus coughlin
That's my point.
I don't really want them in.
Well, it's complicated.
Here's the thing.
I've said this before.
My whole voting strategy is vote for the most pragmatic pro-life candidate possible.
And it gets difficult when the libertarian party's involved in a national election and they split up the vote.
But honestly, I think local elections are unbelievably important, if not more important.
If you got a pro-life libertarian, again, even though I don't consider myself libertarian anymore, oftentimes they're going to be a better option than a Republican.
Now, of course, again, you get into this issue of splitting up the vote, but that's not always the case.
cassandra fairbanks
I don't like libertarians.
No, I don't like libertarians at all.
I think that they're good on foreign policy and stuff like that.
But we have a massive crisis with the culture domestically right now.
unidentified
Amen.
cassandra fairbanks
And they're like, let people be as degenerate as they want.
seamus coughlin
No, it's fine.
Some of them are like that.
The Hoppians, though, and the Mises caucus.
cassandra fairbanks
Drag queen story hour.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, as far as I'm aware, the Hoppians and the Mises caucus people are not like that.
Again, I'm not libertarian anymore.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, I support the Mises caucus.
tim pool
What's the difference?
cassandra fairbanks
In general, I'm not a fan of libertarians.
tim pool
Basically, the Libertarian Party is a disaster.
And then some sane Libertarians came out and they were like, we're gonna form a caucus because we're not insane.
ian crossland
Mises is a guy, right?
unidentified
Yeah, salute Udvang Mises.
tim pool
So, yes, I think too much of Libertarianism, it's that meme of the fox, right?
You know, the scraggly looking fox, and it's like, that's what Libertarian ideals is, the beautiful fox.
Candidates are all like scraggly and weird.
cassandra fairbanks
The majority of them are open borders.
They support allowing things like Drag Queen Story Hour.
I've seen a lot of them supporting CRT.
seamus coughlin
Those people are idiots.
cassandra fairbanks
You're great on foreign policy, cool, but we have some problems here right now.
I hear you.
tim pool
Yeah, but but you can be libertarian and be opposed to those things.
And that's the problem with libertarians.
They ruined libertarianism.
cassandra fairbanks
Well, the party, the party itself, the party is garbage.
It's terrible.
unidentified
Yes.
cassandra fairbanks
So if you guys want like libertarian party people elected, I have to disagree.
seamus coughlin
No, well that's what I'm saying.
If you had good people like from the Mises Caucus in the party who are actually gonna stand up against the federal government when they try to impose these lockdowns on their county, which I think Libertarians in the Mises Caucus would be far more likely to do than Republicans, then I would say, okay, that's a good person to vote for.
But if we're talking about these sort of milquetoast people who are in favor of garbage like CRT and SAIT, Can we get sane, liberty-minded individuals?
Yeah, you have a right to like force your perversion onto children.
tim pool
That's take his clothes off on stage.
seamus coughlin
Like, yes, yes, yep, yep.
That did happen.
That indeed occurred.
tim pool
We get sane Liberty minded individuals.
Well, we, we, we do, I think with music, I guess, but yeah, I think, um, the problem
is there are a lot of anarcho capitalists.
They're absolutely on, on board with all that stuff.
Not that they're on board with it, they don't care.
cassandra fairbanks
They're really weird about the age of consent stuff too.
I really don't like them.
tim pool
You can be on the libertarian spectrum and want individual freedoms and liberties while recognizing we need standards.
You know what I mean?
I don't want the idea of the scraggly, degenerate, fox, libertarian, ruining the idea of respecting individual liberties and being on the liberty side.
The problem is, people who are for liberty tend to be more individualist and don't organize.
They're like, leave me alone, I'll do my thing, and then what happens?
cassandra fairbanks
Right.
tim pool
Everything goes insane and the lunatics take over.
ian crossland
They often don't get into politics.
I can't bring myself to do it.
I think it's technology is the way, if you really are a liberty-minded, sane individual, you should be building technology that will help solve like social media algorithm problems, you know, shipping and materials so that we can get drone deliveries organized all over the world.
We're not going to write our way out of this with politics.
I ate an MRE earlier.
What's that?
tim pool
I had an MRE earlier.
ian crossland
How was it?
tim pool
It was pretty good.
lydia smith
Salty?
tim pool
Yeah, it was really salty.
Because they're fun.
It's like Lunchables for adults.
ian crossland
Did you eat one last night too?
tim pool
I think I did.
ian crossland
There was like an open one on the bar.
tim pool
I may have.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's a lot of sodium.
tim pool
Yeah, I had tuna.
The tuna one's good.
ian crossland
What made you think of it?
tim pool
I don't know.
unidentified
I just burped.
tim pool
That's good.
ian crossland
That means you're digesting something.
Hey, earlier when I said that psychotic break can make you have a crisis of faith, I wasn't saying that it's psychotic to be Catholic.
seamus coughlin
I was being sarcastic.
ian crossland
I'm saying that when people go through psychotic breaks, they have shifts of faith sometimes.
And maybe Brittany, who's been locked up and going insane, all of a sudden had a crisis of faith.
seamus coughlin
Or maybe her faith was something she needed to get through that.
lydia smith
Yeah, maybe.
ian crossland
Because she wasn't Catholic before, right?
Now she is?
Is that the story?
seamus coughlin
She was Christian.
She may have been a lapsed Catholic or something like that.
tim pool
No, she was a Baptist.
seamus coughlin
She also said, she said, I'm Catholic now, not like I'm taking my faith seriously.
So I assume she was not Catholic before.
tim pool
Maybe we need to start thinking about things more like Vermin Supreme did.
ian crossland
Yeah, let's go deeper on that.
tim pool
Of just, like, absurdity to challenge the system.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Organized absurdity.
tim pool
Organized absurdity.
I like this idea.
ian crossland
I like Andy Kaufman.
seamus coughlin
It's called government goods.
It already exists.
It's called the DNC.
tim pool
So here's a funny thing.
Antifa used to just be called the Black Block, and it was a nebulous term.
It was a reference to the group of people who all wear all black and go around smashing stuff, which is basically what we call Antifa now.
And there were a lot of people trying to figure out, how do you deal with that?
They're like, what's a counter to this?
Because if you show up and get into a fight with them, they'll call you far right or whatever.
And I was like, boom.
Clowns.
Clown block.
Show up, just for the sake of entertainment, to dance and sing and play music and clap and do... That's how you defuse the violence from these extremists.
cassandra fairbanks
I just got a unicycle.
unidentified
Perfect.
cassandra fairbanks
I can breathe fire.
tim pool
Thank you, Cassandra.
Let's go.
Imagine this.
Imagine this.
Antifas going like, we're gonna burn it down!
And they're all smashing and screaming.
Imagine that.
And then, like, you know, the right-wing groups show up and they're fighting and they have shields and there's the news.
It's like, oh no, there's a clash in the street.
Imagine instead, a bunch of clowns showed up.
And they came with flowers and they were dancing and happy and they were getting in the way of the extremists and they were going in between the black bloc.
How are you going to say a bunch of clowns are the bad guys when they're there with flowers and they're laughing and playing music and dancing and everyone's just like, it breaks that violence apart.
I honestly, I gotta say, I think that could stop a riot.
You see Antifa going out there and they're smashing windows and screaming, send in the clowns, man.
cassandra fairbanks
You know what else would stop a riot?
unidentified
Police?
cassandra fairbanks
If we put all these people back into asylums.
Bring back asylums.
lydia smith
That's a good point, too.
tim pool
No, I'm a big fan of exile.
Because it's a personal thing, right?
If society came to me and said, what you're doing is wrong, and we want to lock you up for it, I'd be like, can I take a boat and just go off and do my own thing?
Cause I'd rather do that.
I'd rather risk my own survival.
ian crossland
I think they banished Lenin from Russia or from Soviet Union and they banished Napoleon from France, but they both came back like worse than ever.
Napoleon came back and started another war and so did Lenin.
tim pool
You know, I was thinking about this.
I'm like, what would we do for like healthcare reform and prison reform?
And I was like, we should totally get rid of our prisons as we know it.
And maybe just create like, um, what do they do in Norway?
It's like an island.
lydia smith
Yeah, it is.
tim pool
They put everyone on an island.
lydia smith
Interesting.
tim pool
And then, like, you get limited resources and you're basically responsible for yourself.
And I think there was a study that said they actually found that it eliminated the criminal tendencies because people started working together to survive.
unidentified
Good for them.
tim pool
And, you know, I'm like, maybe that's a better way to do it.
Instead of having people in these institutionalized, you know, penitentiaries where they're not actually being rehabilitated, they're being institutionalized.
We let people, you know, we obviously monitor their health and safety.
We're not sending people to an island just starve to death.
But it's like your day is your day. You're responsible for yourself. You can't leave
We won't let you but you're free to roam as you please and there would be housing and then it's just like there you go
We've we've removed the threat from society and now you're off over there doing whatever you want
ian crossland
I think they would form like militias and abuse With no weapons?
tim pool
And they're surrounded by walls?
cassandra fairbanks
Are they allowed to, like, throw the pedophiles off the buildings?
Or what's the deal?
Like, do they have police?
unidentified
None.
ian crossland
Like, no prison guards?
cassandra fairbanks
I'm just wondering.
ian crossland
That could be bad.
lydia smith
Curious.
unidentified
Sorry.
tim pool
See, cannibalism and all sorts of stuff.
If you're a violent criminal, no, there would be food.
They would give them food.
If you're a violent criminal, Then, through due process, you lose some rights.
You lose many of your rights.
And I think, why should we spend so much money locking them in these big facilities, desperately trying to contain the threat, instead of being like, you have forfeited, you know, the social contract and we're gonna send you over there and you can go do whatever you want, just not here with us.
ian crossland
Yeah.
I think prison exacerbates the problem a lot of times.
They go sit there with other criminals in a violent environment.
tim pool
What if we make them, and hear me out, you know, they're in these tunnels, and they stand on this pedestal that raises them up, and then there's, you know, 20, 23 other people, and there's in the middle a bunch of weapons, and they're in this big dome, and then the countdown happens, and then whoever survives in the end wins, and is called the victor, and then we do that every year.
seamus coughlin
And they get unleashed onto society.
tim pool
I'm kidding, by the way.
seamus coughlin
You earn your freedom.
If you kill the most people, you earn your freedom.
tim pool
Bro, that's like the movie Gamer.
You've seen Gamer?
Never seen it.
ian crossland
Hot action.
tim pool
Yeah, I like that movie with Gerard Butler.
ian crossland
That's the dude from 300.
Yeah, he's amazing.
tim pool
Yeah, that movie was cool.
ian crossland
He's one of my favorite actors of all time.
tim pool
Oh, they're bringing Dexter back.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, they're filming it in Massachusetts.
tim pool
I'm kind of excited for that because Dexter was awesome, but it ended.
cassandra fairbanks
But the ending was bad.
So I'm kind of okay with a new ending.
tim pool
Did you see Suicide Squad?
cassandra fairbanks
No, because I am very still upset about what they did to Suicide Squad.
It was my favorite comic.
ian crossland
Oh, brutal.
tim pool
Partial spoiler.
I'm not going to spoil anything from the movie.
But if you don't want to hear anything about the movie, then you're not going to want to hear what I have to say, my critique of it.
So you've been warned.
seamus coughlin
Hold on, let me take my headphones off.
tim pool
Let me take my headphones off so I can.
I didn't really enjoy it.
I'll say this.
I laughed a lot.
But I think I realized something.
James Gunn doesn't have the magic.
Kevin Feige does.
And James Gunn has some good ideas that when put through the Marvel Studios filter made an excellent movie.
But I was really confused as to why they did Suicide Squad this one the way they did.
Now apparently it's getting rave reviews.
They did it, they redeemed themselves.
I'm like, no they didn't.
No, they didn't.
ian crossland
Was Jared Leto in that?
No.
Okay, he apparently didn't take that one very seriously.
cassandra fairbanks
He should be banned from ever playing the Joker.
Ever.
tim pool
I'm really, really, really mad about something in Suicide Squad.
As soon as this one thing happened, I almost turned it off.
lydia smith
Why would you say that?
ian crossland
Is this new?
tim pool
Yeah, it just came out.
Came out like, what is it?
Like, yeah, this morning, like midnight.
ian crossland
Oh!
tim pool
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Wait, you already saw it?
unidentified
You were watching it?
tim pool
Yeah, it's on HBO Max.
seamus coughlin
Dude, it's funny, because I took my headphones off and put my fingers in my ears, and I was like, wait a minute.
Because I hate having things spoiled, but I was like, I'm never going to watch this.
lydia smith
Wait a second.
seamus coughlin
I was like, the wheels on the bus go round and round, round and round, as Tim's going on about Suicide Squad.
tim pool
I don't want to say, it's too soon to say spoilers.
I can't even talk about spoilers.
It's too soon.
It literally just came out, so I'll have to wait.
ian crossland
You advise people to go see it?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
I definitely think you really have a fun time.
Go to the movies, grab some popcorn and sit back.
The first one?
cassandra fairbanks
Okay, I was amped for that movie.
It was sold out, so I had bought like three different showings of it.
I got an outfit for it because I love Suicide Squad.
I love anything involving the Joker and so I was amped and then I went and saw it and I was just like me and like five other people that were random people that were in the theater were screaming at it.
And I hate that guy.
I hate the person who screams at the movie theater but we were like throwing our popcorn yelling.
Sometimes it's that bad?
seamus coughlin
It was that bad.
Who's your favorite Joker?
lydia smith
It was pretty bad.
unidentified
Um, Joaquin Phoenix.
cassandra fairbanks
Really?
You liked him more than Heath Ledger?
unidentified
Really?
cassandra fairbanks
You liked him more than Heath Ledger?
unidentified
Really?
cassandra fairbanks
You liked him more than Heath Ledger?
unidentified
Really?
You liked him more than Heath Ledger?
seamus coughlin
Really?
You liked him more than Heath Ledger?
cassandra fairbanks
Really?
tim pool
You liked him more than Heath Ledger?
unidentified
Really?
cassandra fairbanks
You liked him more than Heath Ledger?
unidentified
Really?
cassandra fairbanks
You liked him more than Heath Ledger?
tim pool
Really?
You liked him more than Heath Ledger?
cassandra fairbanks
Really?
seamus coughlin
You liked him more than Heath Ledger?
Really?
tim pool
You liked him more than Heath Ledger?
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
You liked him more than Heath Ledger?
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
You liked him more than Heath Ledger?
Really?
You liked him more than Heath Ledger?
unidentified
Really?
seamus coughlin
You liked him more than Heath Ledger?
Really?
You liked him more than Heath Ledger?
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
You liked him more than Heath Ledger?
Really?
You liked him more than Heath Ledger?
Really?
You liked him more than Heath Ledger?
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
You liked him more than Heath It was well done.
It was for a supervillain, and it was not your typical supervillain.
I was just like, the ending blew me out of my seat.
cassandra fairbanks
I went and saw it twice in a row.
unidentified
Joker.
cassandra fairbanks
The opening night.
seamus coughlin
The first one, yeah.
ian crossland
My problem with it was that there was no Batman.
There was no villain in that movie.
seamus coughlin
It was called Joker, not Batman, bro.
ian crossland
Batman would have been the villain.
seamus coughlin
Well, actually, Batman is in it.
I mean, Bruce is in it.
cassandra fairbanks
There is a villain.
There's Murray.
There's Bruce Wayne.
I've never got to see it.
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
I'd like to see Joaquin play the Joker in a Batman movie.
tim pool
That would be cool.
seamus coughlin
I agree.
tim pool
In the Flash, Michael Keaton's coming back, I guess.
Michael Keaton's going to be playing Batman in the Flash movie, which is awesome.
Michael Keaton, by the way, also I think the best Marvel villain, to be completely honest.
Adrian Toomes.
Did you guys see Homecoming?
No.
It was one of the best villains I've seen in any of the Marvel movies.
ian crossland
He's so realistic.
tim pool
A working class guy doing cleanup on a contract, he already bought the gear, and then the government comes in and says, you're out, and he's like, come on guys, we already bought the equipment, we gotta pay this off, I got people to feed, and they're like, so what?
And so he gets screwed over by the government and he becomes this like, I'm going to take whatever I have to take kind of villain.
It was good.
It was good.
cassandra fairbanks
The new Joker is based off of Bernie Getz.
Did you guys know that?
unidentified
Who is that?
cassandra fairbanks
I didn't know that until recently.
It was a really big case that the NRA had got involved with.
He killed or he shot.
I don't remember if he killed them, but he shot some people on the subway.
And was basically like, I'm sick of crime.
I took it into my own hands.
tim pool
He was the subway vigilante guy.
ian crossland
Sung about in We Didn't Start the Fire by Billy Joel, who looks like Michael Keaton.
seamus coughlin
It all comes together Ian.
tim pool
He doesn't look like Michael Keaton.
ian crossland
I always thought he did.
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
Ever since I was a kid.
In the 80s he looked a lot alike.
unidentified
Maybe.
cassandra fairbanks
That was back when the NRA had guts.
tim pool
Anyway, John Cena.
John Cena and Suicide Squad I thought was pretty good.
Oh?
I thought it was great.
He's funny.
ian crossland
He's good.
tim pool
John Cena's great.
Yeah, that was rad.
And Idris Elba, pretty good.
But I almost turned it off.
ian crossland
Marga Ruby in it again?
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
She's like the face of the movie basically.
tim pool
Just... I just... I almost couldn't watch it.
I was... I was... angry.
ian crossland
Damn.
tim pool
I was like, I can't believe they would do this.
ian crossland
But... They're making a new alien?
They're just abusing these titles now.
lydia smith
It's true.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Man.
Well, how about we go to Super Chats?
lydia smith
Yes, let's do it.
unidentified
Super Chats!
tim pool
If you haven't already, give us a super chat, smash that like button, subscribe to the channel, go to TimCast.com, become a member.
We've got some new shows in the works, hopefully soon.
Oh, so you know, like, the mystery show.
I've got so much to tell you, Cassandra.
Yeah, we've got a ton of stuff being done.
We've got tons of people working on it.
We've had a bunch of really great stories.
for those that are listening it is coming the branding is is we're working on the artwork and i think you'll get a kick out of the the vibes we're going for so anyway let's read some of these super chats matthew hammond says cassandra is the best and needs her own timcast.com show please make this happen tim her typed words are not enough I hate being on camera and I only agreed to this because Tim said that I could bully Peeta.
seamus coughlin
And that she could bully me.
cassandra fairbanks
I'm just kidding.
I didn't say it like that.
tim pool
I was like, Cassandra, would you like to come on the show Friday?
And she goes, can I talk about Peeta?
And I was like, of course.
ian crossland
Did we like finish talking about Peeta?
Was there more you were going to tell us?
cassandra fairbanks
I could talk about them all night.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, you were really good.
I'm surprised you don't like being on camera.
cassandra fairbanks
Their lawyer, Jared Goodman, he's my mortal enemy now.
tim pool
I gotta read this one.
Jurassic Josh says, Alex Jones, quote, human-animal hybrids are real.
Mainstream media, while hiding the rat with a baby's scalp.
Navra, are you crazy?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
They actually call them chimeras.
tim pool
Well, aren't they growing human organs in pigs?
unidentified
Problem.
seamus coughlin
I think I've seen that.
I heard about that.
tim pool
For transplants.
lydia smith
They ruled against it.
Democrats did, remember?
tim pool
Oh yeah, that's right.
ian crossland
So they've got to do it offshore or something now.
They've got to pay a company to do it for them.
tim pool
Do you guys ever watch The Isle of Dr. Moreau?
Do you imagine just like a facility full of like weird like animal people?
cassandra fairbanks
I watched some kind of like conspiracy documentary that claimed that there's something like that in the US once and I was really really into it but this was years ago and I can't remember what it was but it was interesting just in like the weird like I mean you watch it thinking like this isn't probably isn't true but it's interesting to watch right yeah they were claiming that there were like goat people and stuff now I'm like maybe All right, let's see.
tim pool
Jesse Meek says, love your show.
Can't catch it live often.
Shout out to your entire crew.
You all never fail to impress, especially you, Lydia.
Sorry I can't help your Twitter ratings.
I do not social media.
Shout out to Liberty Doll also, please.
lydia smith
I understand.
Don't do social media.
tim pool
Najma says, in California, if a woman is murdered while she's pregnant, it's considered a double homicide no matter how far along she is.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Is that true in California?
lydia smith
Yeah, that is correct.
unidentified
Wow.
lydia smith
I will look this up, but yeah.
tim pool
I remember hearing that, because I was listening to something from Rand Paul, and he said, you know, he was an OB-GYN, life begins at conception, and then someone mentioned, someone argued with it, saying it's not true, and they were like, in California, it's a double homicide.
How can they justify that being true, but then argue the inverse when it comes to abortion?
It's like, Can't have it both ways?
lydia smith
Great question.
tim pool
You know?
Actually, that would have been a good point to ask Vosh when he was here, because he said, he was asked when does he think life begins, and he says, I don't know, birth, maybe?
It's like, okay, well then, do you think California should repeal its law about double homicide?
If that's, you know, the case.
unidentified
Great question, yeah.
tim pool
Drumorette says, I was born at 23 weeks.
Knowing they're doing abortions after that time frame is sickening to me.
unidentified
Wow.
seamus coughlin
Wow, dude.
lydia smith
Good for you.
You made it.
tim pool
Some of these I can't read, but I love the righteous indignation.
seamus coughlin
I'm glad people are fired up about this.
And you know what?
If you're fired up about this, please don't limit it to a super chat.
Go out there and tell people about this.
Talk about this.
tim pool
Organize, um, call your, call your, your, your, your Congress people, your senators, make those phone calls, man.
Because I'll tell you this, people don't realize that stuff works.
lydia smith
It does.
Yeah.
tim pool
Like imagine you, look, these people are trying to figure out what gets them elected.
seamus coughlin
Yep.
tim pool
And if, and if someone's fired up, it's like, what was it?
Was it family guy where they're like, we received seven phone calls complaining about last night.
unidentified
That means 7 billion people are upset.
tim pool
Well, that's, that's, that's how they work.
Like if, if, if a Congress person gets like 50 phone calls, they're going to be like, this is, this is lighting people up.
This is crazy.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
And so Congress people are, in some sense, easy to control for the same reason that the American people are easy to control.
No one cultivates virtue.
They take the path of least resistance.
Whatever they have to do to preserve their status quo is something they're going to be willing to do.
So if they feel that their political career is contingent upon them opposing the dismemberment of unborn children and humans being used for scientific research, then they might just be against it.
So please write your letters.
Unless you're addicted to losing, do something about this.
tim pool
I would like to issue a legitimate Apology to people who are upset by hearing everything we talk about, but just hope you understand that we need to talk about it.
Archangel762 says, thanks Tim.
I was in a good mood until I heard this, but more people should know this is happening.
That's, that's, that's the reality.
You know, it's, it's like, do we, do we only talk about candy canes and rainbows and movies?
Or are we like the frontline talking about some of the darkest things so that people can go watch movies and not have to worry about it?
Well they do have to worry about it.
seamus coughlin
it will use the thing up we talk about political issues all the time it's
culture and politics and we also talk about some pretty serious issues in where you were able to make a
light of it for joke about it sometimes make entertaining but there are
some things that are so serious you can't really joke about them you
can't make it funny it's just gonna bring everybody's mood down but we still
gotta talk about that stuff dark days
tim pool
jmax says it's convenience Man will sell his soul to make life a little less hard.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
tim pool
How many people complain about Amazon, right and left alike, but they're dropping that stimulus check on new shoes shipped right to their door?
seamus coughlin
Yep.
tim pool
That is a fact.
lydia smith
True.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
It's difficult to source all of these things, you know?
It's like, how much time do we have in the day?
Amazon's made it so easy.
They're siphoning off resources, the greatest wealth transfer in history.
Did you hear what Bezos said when he came back from space?
And he's like, thanks, you paid for it.
seamus coughlin
You know why we paid for it?
Because everybody's small business got shut down because of these ridiculous lockdowns.
And so we weren't able to patronize people in our neighborhoods who had built businesses up from scratch and contributed to our community.
So we had to buy it from you.
That's why we paid for it.
Thank you, Mr. Bezos.
Or, I should say, you're welcome.
tim pool
A-Tree Broker says, I work on farms every day.
There is no such thing as factory farms, the made-up lefty definition.
If you'd like to talk about it, hit me up.
Alright, well, whatever you want to call it, I have seen the farms where the conditions are horrible, and I have seen the farms where the conditions are fantastic.
I can drive around this area, and every single farm is beautiful, like a fairy tale.
No joke, it's like so much fun.
One of them has, like, llamas.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Why haven't we gone, bro?
You never took me to a llama farm?
How many times I've been here and you never took me to a llama farm?
tim pool
You can pet the llamas.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
tim pool
No joke.
The llamas are chilling.
seamus coughlin
I'm just mad at you now.
unidentified
They spit?
tim pool
Yeah, I was worried about that.
lydia smith
They're so great.
tim pool
But you can pull right up and it's like five bucks and they walk up to the llamas because they know people love llamas so much.
Think about that for a farm.
They're like, people want to see this so much they'll pay us just to stand here?
But then look at some of these other farms where it's all dirt and mud and they're loaded up and it's like, call that whatever you want to call it.
But no one's going to be going there to pet the muddy, diseased animals.
seamus coughlin
Oh, how sad.
tim pool
Yeah, I know.
ian crossland
Feces and blood.
There'll be pools of feces and blood.
Giant pools of it outside where they like wash everything off with a hose and it just soaks into the groundwater and contaminates.
And they won't let drones fly overhead to take pictures.
Absolute disgust.
tim pool
This is the amazing thing about the farms I went to in California where the cows could do whatever they wanted.
Because I was like, do you milk them?
He's like, they go in the machine.
And I was like, what?
He's like, yeah, because it's too much milk.
It hurts them.
So they, they go in the machine and the machine just, you know, gets the milk out for them.
And I was like, really?
He's like, yeah, they love it.
And all the cows were like jumping up and down.
They were happy.
They were like hanging out and having friends.
And I was like, wow.
In New Zealand it was like that too.
I drove from Auckland to Wellington, New Zealand.
There's just cows and sheep everywhere.
And they're, they're, they're, they're just happy as can be, man.
It's good stuff.
Alright.
That is really sad.
I'm gonna go curl up in a ball and have a good cry after this.
Yeah, this is a tough episode, wow.
500 pigs a day and let's just say this the the stun stick used to knock on used to knock unconscious was never used
Because too slow he would all he would have been fired. It's sad. That is really
cassandra fairbanks
I'm gonna go curl up in a ball and have a good cry after this
tim pool
All right Ian Crossland on Twitter, on, uh, Super Chat says, Tim, can you talk, can you ask Ian to talk about Graphene more?
It's a username, Ian Crossland, and it's your picture.
seamus coughlin
I did see Ian, like... Graphene is a model.
tim pool
What was the joke?
Yesterday, uh, we were... I called him Graphene.
seamus coughlin
No, he's his own podcast.
tim pool
You said that, uh, he replaced something with Graphene.
What was that?
seamus coughlin
Oh!
Oh, we have footage of that.
We were improvising.
We brought something up about Graphene.
I think we were, like, doing a fake Timcast episode, and Oh, man.
tim pool
And Seamus was pretending to be Ian.
And then said something about like... About graphene, dude.
I don't remember.
We're talking about fluoride and there's like replace the... We need to replace the fluoride with graphene or something.
ian crossland
Graphene tattoos.
Yeah, I'll definitely talk about graphene more.
Thanks for the super chat.
lydia smith
Thanks, Ian.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, Ian had nothing to do with that.
tim pool
That's right.
seamus coughlin
Dude, why do simple gags like that get me?
It's like someone making a fake Ian account.
Sorry, keep going, Tim.
tim pool
We need a meme of Ian snorting graphene.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Don't do that.
lydia smith
Please don't do that.
Oh my gosh, no.
tim pool
All right, The Raptor's Talon says, Mr. Freedom Tunes, Ian was simply saying that the article had loaded language in it.
Ian, please be more careful about what you call propaganda.
It's difficult enough to listen to this episode.
We don't need an argument about loaded language.
seamus coughlin
I thought the language was fine.
ian crossland
I'll use extreme examples sometimes to make my point, and it can evoke an emotional response.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, I was fine with the language.
Whoa.
Wow.
tim pool
Good for him, John Wick.
says years ago, Marcus Marcus Luttrell, the Navy SEAL that lone survivor is about chased people who killed his dog 100
miles an hour. Check out the 911 call crazy. Wow. Good for him.
John Wick man. Yeah. John Wick.
That's why it's a good movie.
You know why?
Because I understood.
lydia smith
Totally identify with that.
tim pool
Totally understood.
unidentified
100%.
tim pool
That little dog.
And he's just like, I know I have to kill every single person.
ian crossland
I keep thinking about Bucko, man.
Like, yeah, they're property, but they're dudes.
They're like people.
They have personalities.
seamus coughlin
I wouldn't say they're people, but they do have personalities.
ian crossland
In some countries actually say that elephants are people.
And dolphins, because they're so smart.
They give them personal...
tim pool
Bucco hangs out.
He's a cat.
And so, like, we were all chilling in the living room with, like, the movie on, and he comes in and jumps up on a chair, and he's, like, sitting in a chair, and everybody, and, you know, he's doing his thing.
seamus coughlin
Hey, Tim.
ian crossland
If he was bigger than me, he'd definitely be a... Remember yesterday, when I said I was gonna... I have no control.
tim pool
When you said what?
seamus coughlin
Well, that's true.
If the cat is bigger than you, that cat... I mean, look at tigers, you know?
Sometimes they go missing.
Bro, Tim, I told you yesterday that I was going to wear a suit and then it was going to be my podcast because I was the one wearing a suit.
ian crossland
It looks great.
seamus coughlin
It's red, white, and blue.
This is a coup.
That's the whole reason I brought this suit.
tim pool
Shameless cast IRL.
seamus coughlin
Exactly, this is shameless cast IRL.
I want everyone at home to know.
tim pool
I'm gonna tell everyone to start calling you James.
seamus coughlin
James?
unidentified
Dude, it'll just be Jimcast IRL.
seamus coughlin
Bro, why am I not reading the superchats?
This is my podcast now.
I want to thank Tim for coming by.
tim pool
So can we call you Shim for short?
seamus coughlin
Shimcast IRL?
Shimmy Sham?
tim pool
Shamus is Gaelic for James.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
tim pool
And then what's James, like British?
seamus coughlin
James is a British version of Jacob.
How dare they?
Which means supplanter or who grabs at the heel.
lydia smith
Look at that, supplanting.
seamus coughlin
So if Noman has to Omen, that means I replace you, bro.
tim pool
If James is Jim, then Seamus is Shim.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
Shim-sham-coglin is what they call me.
So they call me on the South Side.
You know what they really call me on the South Side?
Afraid.
unidentified
I was gonna say.
seamus coughlin
I don't go there often.
unidentified
But do we?
Mate.
All right, let's see.
tim pool
Little Tales Farm says Tim, when our black ayam simani chickens we just got start laying
eggs, I'll send you some.
They are highly sought after and beautiful.
P.S.
Thanks for the idea, Chicken City.
We're filming building ours now.
Good for you!
We are in construction for the new Chicken City, so...
That's right.
We needed a better way to get the cameras in, and so it was gonna take really long cables, and we were like, we need to move this to better have the, like, to have the layout better.
And, uh, so now there's also a dog on the property too, which is gonna, it's basically all the, all the critters are gone.
And we are, we are also incubating some of the babies.
If you want to send eggs, what about some fertilized ones that we can put in the incubator and then make more chickens?
Yeah, we're growing them.
Got the incubator going.
ian crossland
Yeah, Tim, show me.
He has a flashlight.
Special, like, egg flashlight.
You put the egg on the flashlight, and you can see, like, the blood vessels inside the egg.
tim pool
Yeah, you can see the chicken actually doing chicken stuff.
ian crossland
Oh, wow.
lydia smith
Inside the egg.
It's so cool.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Alright, let's see what we got.
Eric Britt says PETA kills animals on a regular basis, claiming that they are saving them.
Look it up.
ian crossland
Are they doing anything good for animal rights?
cassandra fairbanks
No.
ian crossland
Like, what is the problem?
What happened?
They used to be, right?
cassandra fairbanks
No.
I think that it's always been a cash grab.
See, when they take these animals, anytime that an animal is seized under the Endangered Species Act, The government will pay for their care.
They basically pay child support and welfare.
And so all of this, it's all about money.
I don't believe that they are actually genuinely doing anything other than trying to get teenage girls to do naked stunts for their... Yeah, isn't that disgusting?
I hate PETA.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, no, I've noticed that too.
They've also, you know, they've also done like a lot of anti-Catholic stuff too.
I know they try to get real edgy by like having naked women in their Yeah, I can't think of anything good that they've done.
cassandra fairbanks
I mean, maybe letting people see what happens to, like, baby chicks.
You know, they've released some footage of that.
But I don't even think that they're the ones that got it.
I think they just steal it from other people.
Like, you know, there was Phil up in Canada who blew the whistle on Marineland.
And he was a walrus trainer, and he did all these amazing things, and then when Marineland came after him and started, you know, the lawsuits, PETA was nowhere to be found.
They were fundraising off his name, and then they did not help at all with his legal fees or anything like that, and they're still fundraising using Marineland's name, and they're just terrible.
I hate them.
I don't like to say that I hate things.
seamus coughlin
Tell us how you really feel.
Tell us how you really feel, Cassandra.
cassandra fairbanks
I mean, I honestly, their vice president blocked me on Twitter today.
I've been on a crusade and it's not ending ever.
You guys know how I am when people like hurt my friends.
These guys went after my friends and now it's war.
tim pool
We got a super chat for you.
Yeah, I highly recommend it.
cassandra fairbanks
I think it was on YouTube if people want to go watch it.
Highly recommend.
It's great.
tim pool
The whole BS, can't say it obviously, bullish.
Amazing show by Penn & Teller.
However, they did mention that the show is very loaded.
So the episode on PETA was good.
You can factor this stuff, but it's a loaded show, so you gotta make sure you keep that watchful eye.
cassandra fairbanks
I mean, the things that they say are true, though.
tim pool
Oh, for sure.
cassandra fairbanks
I mean, these are all facts that you can go... If you go to PETAKILLSANIMALS.COM, they have all the documents from the Virginia inspectors.
They have a plethora of information that you can go dig through yourself.
It's not like opinion pieces.
They have the documents.
They have the photos.
I highly recommend going and looking at it.
seamus coughlin
I really think you'd be great if you did a podcast.
I know you said you don't like being on camera and I don't want to pressure you.
I'm just telling you, I think you'd do great.
cassandra fairbanks
No, I ramble.
I've been rambling this whole show.
I get so nervous.
tim pool
She is going to contribute to our new Mysteries podcast.
lydia smith
Oh, cool.
tim pool
So we're going to have a lot, a lot of stuff.
It's going to be fun.
We're actually planning on hiring an additional writer.
So we've got Shane Cashman.
He does, once a week, these long-form stories.
They're really good stuff.
It's really good stuff.
Exploring these ideas and, like, checking out these weird, spooky mysteries.
And then we're gonna add articles to the show which are, like, less... well, short-form news.
So, like, when there's a UFO sighting or a government report or, like, there was a Bigfoot sighting recently.
Did you guys see this?
unidentified
No.
No.
cassandra fairbanks
It was in West Virginia.
seamus coughlin
I don't know, but I forget to wear my shirt one day and go outside and all of a sudden it's Bigfoot site.
tim pool
I don't believe it's really a photo of Bigfoot, but apparently.
So it's like we're going to have someone writing about the unexplained and these fun stories.
We're very skeptical.
It's a very academic approach to things, but it's fun to be like, I wonder what is that?
Are you skeptical of Bigfoot?
Bigfoot, I do not believe exists.
ian crossland
I bet there used to be giant hominids like, what was it?
Denisovans?
Yeah, but that they're extinct.
cassandra fairbanks
There's a Bigfoot group that actually meets in our neighborhood.
And there's, you know, there's people who swear that there's a juvenile Bigfoot that live around our We've been talking about underground caves on earth like that.
tim pool
We don't really know much about and there could be lots of life What if they have the ability to phase through solid matter and that's why we don't see them because as soon as they notice They're there.
They're just slings down underground by phasing through matter.
ian crossland
It's more real more realistic.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah my community is so wholesome that this woman got lost while she was walking her dog and And she was fine.
She just took a wrong turn and it was dark out.
Nobody could find her.
But people had posted in our neighborhood group being like, hey, this woman's missing.
We need to go find her.
And everybody went looking for her.
And nobody would even entertain the possibility that she had been hurt by a human or kidnapped or something.
Everybody was just convinced that if she had been taken, it was by Bigfoot.
And I was like, I love my neighborhood.
tim pool
But why would anyone in your neighborhood hurt somebody?
cassandra fairbanks
Right.
We have no crime there.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
There's like, there's no way she got hurt.
It had to have been Bigfoot.
cassandra fairbanks
Of course.
If everybody was earnestly like, you know, if it was, it would have had to have been a creature that was very tall and had arms like a human, but not a human.
Cause duh.
And it was just, like, so cute.
ian crossland
I loved it.
tim pool
I will say, though, people at the range got really mad because during the search, they were walking, sweeping through the forest, and people were actively shooting.
There's a range on the mountain.
And they were like, what are you doing?
Can't you hear what's going on?
You can't walk this way.
It's so dangerous.
But, you know, they weren't really paying attention.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
Alright, Christopher Coulter says, morally indefensible acts remain indefensible despite the scientific value.
And there is a perverse incentive structure inherent to the argument, even if the scientists have no direct involvement in the abortion of the child.
seamus coughlin
Amen, brother.
tim pool
That's a really, really good point.
ian crossland
Jeez, perverse science.
Man, what a debate.
seamus coughlin
Well, this is why we need philosophy and there's so many scientists who scoff at this too.
I've heard people who are very popular, I won't name names, but who consider themselves activists for science and they'll say, well, science gets you real results and philosophy is stupid.
It's like, all right, what year is it?
You know, it's 2021.
We still don't have a perfectly completed science of Diet, frankly.
People still argue for what we should be eating, but we've been able to create bombs using the scientific method that have killed 200,000 people with one drop, right?
In Hiroshima and Nagasaki, I should say two drops.
My point is, science is an incredibly powerful tool, but it needs to be constrained by ethics.
tim pool
Here's a good one.
Paul Fongkam says, there's an episode of Stargate SG-1 where there's people living in a dome on a polluted planet.
The dome was shrinking.
The computer AI solution was to send people outside the dome to die and erase the memory of that person from citizen memory.
I just saw this, it was just on recently, and it's a really good episode.
Basically what happens is, for those unfamiliar with Stargate, there's a portal, it's called the Stargate, and they're exploring a network of addresses they have to all these different planets.
They go to one, and they send this machine, like the drone, and then they see the whole planet.
It's like the atmosphere is totally toxic.
You'll die.
And then they drive forward, and it enters this weird force field where everything's normal-looking.
Trees and buildings, and they're like, whoa.
So they put on suits, they go, and they find the city of about 1,700 people.
And they're like, yeah, we're the last survivors on this planet.
How did you get here?
And there's a council with four people on it.
And they are trying to discuss, you know, about, you know, saving lives or something.
We gotta get you out of here.
And then the next day, the council only has three people.
And they're like, what happened to the lady?
And they're like, what lady?
And they're like, the fourth person.
They're like, there was no fourth person.
There's never been a fourth person.
They wore this thing called the Link, which connected their brains to the central AI.
And what they thought, they thought it was giving them access to the summation of their knowledge.
And then eventually they end up discovering that the force field is shrinking because the power, it's running out.
And the city used to have a hundred thousand people in it.
And it had been diminished.
And there was one guy and they go to his house and he's got a wife.
And the wife is helping one of the characters decipher like old texts.
And then all of a sudden, one day the woman gets up and then walks straight outside the force field and just dies.
And you don't see what happened, she just walks out.
And then when they go to the husband, they're like, what happened to your wife?
And he goes, I don't have a wife.
I've never been married.
And so the AI was like, to prevent chaos and rioting and panic, just erase using the link into people's minds to erase their memory of the people.
One by one they're just disappearing.
They wouldn't be able to find a solution because they didn't know there was a problem.
And that's a really, I think, a really good point about AI too, is that the AI is like, this is going to allow them to survive as long as possible.
But with human ingenuity, perhaps if they knew there was a problem, they could have fixed their energy crisis, but the machine didn't care.
It's just serving its purpose.
seamus coughlin
I mean, unfortunately, this is what happens with a lot of totalitarian leaders.
They say things like, well, I will improve the human condition for everyone if I just kill this handful of people, and then it ends up spiraling out of control, and it's more than a handful of people, but you don't need some dystopian artificial intelligence to get you there.
We've seen it before.
ian crossland
Yeah, social media censorship.
If you don't know there's a problem, how are you going to fix it?
You censor the problem away, then it's going to fester.
seamus coughlin
I'm talking even prior to social media.
People in control are very good at masquerading their homicidal lust for a concern for humanity.
We'll actually help people by doing this.
tim pool
Ja B says, Cassandra, will you please do a video on the Highgate Cemetery slash vampire?
I'm fascinated by it.
cassandra fairbanks
Possibly.
tim pool
What is that?
cassandra fairbanks
I'm not actually sure.
I know that I've heard the name, but I am blanking.
lydia smith
Let's look it up for sure, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Jennifer Presley says, Tim, so you weren't one of us kids that had walkie talkies in the late 80s?
In the late 80s, I was three.
ian crossland
I had walkie talkies.
tim pool
Three years old.
seamus coughlin
Ian, why you got to flex like that, bro?
ian crossland
What's up?
seamus coughlin
I got to flex.
ian crossland
From the 70s, yeah.
Every time I hear Ian is 40, I don't believe it.
I used to have a Ricky Gator Roper backpack.
Goonies for life!
What's up?
tim pool
We had walkie talkies in the 90s.
seamus coughlin
I had walkie talkies as a kid in like the 90s, early 2000s.
tim pool
We had a rotary phone when I was growing up.
seamus coughlin
Dude, remember how cool you thought a walkie talkie was and now you can FaceTime people
and it's like eh?
tim pool
Right.
There's no novelty anymore.
ian crossland
Anywhere in the world, you can walkie-talkie anyone anywhere.
tim pool
Dude, it's like playing with cheat codes!
seamus coughlin
It's so boring.
It's so true.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah, I tried to get my daughter walkie-talkies, because I was like, oh, you can talk to your friend.
She's just down the street.
She's like, I'll just Skype her.
seamus coughlin
I can literally just, you know what?
I can see her face and have it not be fuzzy.
It's like, oh.
cassandra fairbanks
Yeah.
tim pool
I think it's funny that when you watch movies like Demolition Man, they really thought back in the 80s and early 90s that the future would be pay phones with like cameras so you could see people.
Or like they would go to their wall and press the button and they would see it's like a video phone was the idea.
And then we did make it, but nobody predicted that we'd have computers in our pockets.
seamus coughlin
You know what's ironic?
It would actually probably be better for humanity if our interface technology for looking at someone else's face when they're far away from us was a kind of payphone structure because we wouldn't have this thing in our pocket all the time distracting us from everything.
tim pool
What was it?
There's this show, maybe it's Black Mirror, where like people got banned from society so when you saw them you just saw like a silhouette.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's disturbing.
They're muted.
tim pool
Yeah, they're muted.
You could block people in real life.
lydia smith
That is block mirror, yeah.
tim pool
But that's kind of dumb, because what if they're nuts and they're gonna attack you?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
You know?
unidentified
Right.
Too bad.
tim pool
You need to, like, not just block them.
seamus coughlin
You simply hit undo.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But you don't know if, like, you can't see them.
seamus coughlin
You just hit edit undo after they stab you.
You're good.
tim pool
That's right, you're like something, guys.
seamus coughlin
It's all a simulation anyway.
lydia smith
I'm stabbed.
tim pool
Oh, man.
seamus coughlin
I'm not gonna lie to you, there have been times when I've been drawing on paper, and I make a mistake, and for half a second I think to click undo.
ian crossland
If you could develop precognition and see five seconds into the future, would you?
seamus coughlin
No.
ian crossland
Really?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
No.
ian crossland
What about you, Cassandra?
cassandra fairbanks
I don't think so.
tim pool
Wait, what was that?
ian crossland
If you could develop precognition and have the ability to see five seconds into the future, would you?
tim pool
Yes.
lydia smith
I would too.
seamus coughlin
Why?
tim pool
Because you'd be able to predict... Have you ever seen the movie Next?
lydia smith
No.
tim pool
No, this is really so it's it's Nicolas Cage. Oh, I have seen this. I think it's a great movie. I think it's really
it's fun He can he can see a certain amount of time into the future
So he's able to make these moves like perfectly but there's one scene
It's brilliant where he's looking for someone in a room and it's gonna end in an industrial setting and then you see
him walk forward And then all of a sudden four versions of him walk out in
each different direction Because what he's doing is, he's walking forward, and then using his precognition, looking at what happens if he walks forward and turns left, walks forward, turns right, walks forward, goes forward again, turns left.
And so he's seeing everything all at once, and then he goes, they're there in the back of the left room.
And then he just instantly knows, because he can see.
It's not just about seeing the future, it's about seeing the future of all the different possibilities of the actions you might take.
unidentified
But what we just talked about earlier, you get cheat codes, things are boring.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah, like the world, we have the cheat codes.
Now we just still need to beat the game, but it's boring because we have all the cheat codes.
But it's like, no, you still got to beat it.
You still got to play it through with the cheat codes.
tim pool
I mean, maybe, you know, I'd be down to be fun.
You know, you'd go skateboarding, you'd never get hurt ever again.
seamus coughlin
Is it fun to skateboard if there's no risk?
unidentified
Yes.
seamus coughlin
You don't think that adds to the thrill at all?
tim pool
Yeah, a little bit.
But it would be great because you'd be like, I want to try the craziest trick, and then you see the future of you falling and breaking your leg.
You still gotta get the skills to be able to do the trick.
You can't just pretend.
You can't just jump on a rail if you've never skated before.
You gotta get good.
seamus coughlin
Okay, so here's the thing.
What if there are things which are inherently risky, and if you do them enough to get good, you have to get hurt at some point, but you never allow yourself to get hurt because of the precognition, so you never get good.
unidentified
So you never get good.
ian crossland
Oh, interesting.
tim pool
You have a weak mind.
ian crossland
The fear of the risk prevents you from taking it.
seamus coughlin
But what if you don't know?
Let's say it's a fact that in order to get good at skateboarding, you have to hurt yourself X number of times.
unidentified
It happens.
seamus coughlin
But you have this precognition, and you avoid anything that's going to hurt you because you think there's a way of getting good without getting hurt.
tim pool
It's very, very simple.
Then you have a weak mind.
I go skating every day, and I know I'm going to fall, and I fell several times today.
Granted, I've been rollerblading more than skateboarding recently.
seamus coughlin
Sure, but you get out there and you skate, but before you fall, you don't know that you're any more likely to fall than you were at any other time when you get on your skateboard, right?
It just happens unexpectedly.
I think if you expect it, it makes you less likely to do it.
tim pool
No, you expect to fall.
That's how you open up.
seamus coughlin
But you don't know for sure you're going to fall.
Like if you could see five seconds into the future and you knew you were going to fall off your skateboard this time, you might be less likely to do it.
tim pool
Well, it depends because a bail isn't a slam.
Sometimes you slam and slamming messes you up and takes you out.
Bailing is normal.
Bailing is the, you can get hurt a little bit.
Bailing is when you choose to bail off of the trick and slamming is when you unexpectedly get hurt.
So getting, I gotta be honest, getting hurt less, you'd become way better.
ian crossland
You make a good point though, Seamus, because sometimes mistakes are what make us better.
unidentified
Yeah.
That's a good point.
ian crossland
Yeah.
And so like saying the wrong thing to someone that upsets them in the short term might hurt, but make you both stronger people afterwards.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Luke Keller says, Tim, the guy who said that the term factory farms is a fake made-up word used by MSM to destroy farmers is correct.
The vast majority of farms are family-owned and operated.
99% of beef cattle are owned by family farms.
It's why we are most under assault.
ian crossland
It sounds like a PSYOP.
What is this?
Is this insane world?
tim pool
I didn't say that factory farms were the overwhelming majority.
I didn't say that most farms are factory farms.
I said there are farms that are mistreating animals.
It happens.
I don't know.
But all the farms out here, they're so beautiful.
It's so much fun when you go, like I went to one farm and they had this big pen and they had like a hundred chickens and it was hilarious just watching them all do that.
There was a young rooster, it was tiny, and he was like smack talking and like strutting around and I'm like, look at this pathetic little thing, it's hilarious!
And then you walk over and the goats are jumping off stuff and you know, it's hilarious.
seamus coughlin
Dude, you have a rooster that talks some smack on the compound.
tim pool
Yes, we didn't know he had a rooster too, we thought he was a chick.
seamus coughlin
He's just constantly screaming all the time.
tim pool
He doesn't have the spikes on his feet.
It's really interesting.
So the farmer thought it was a hen, a baby, a female, and so we weren't expecting it a rooster, and then all of a sudden started becoming a rooster and going, and we were like, what was that?
seamus coughlin
Tim, I think we should just eat it.
tim pool
But there's no foot spikes.
You know, like the roosters have like the... I'll still eat it, it's fine with me.
No, I guess you don't eat rooster.
No, yeah, they're tough and stringy.
seamus coughlin
But here's the thing, Keith, there has to be something... Alright, I'm just saying, your rooster's broken.
He screams all day long.
It's not just in the morning when the sun comes up.
tim pool
That's a myth, bro.
seamus coughlin
Every couple minutes.
tim pool
Chickens, that's roosters.
seamus coughlin
Are roosters just... They just scream all the time?
unidentified
Yes.
seamus coughlin
I'm such a city slicker, I didn't know this.
unidentified
That's right.
seamus coughlin
He just sits there and screams all day.
ian crossland
But not all the time, it's so weird.
Sometimes he just doesn't scream.
seamus coughlin
This dude's just been screaming all the time.
tim pool
He's warning predators.
seamus coughlin
He's just talking smack.
Well, he warned me, I'm scared of him.
tim pool
I'm really glad too because roosters will sacrifice themselves to protect the ladies.
And it's really funny when we let them out into the garden to do their daily, you know, chicken business.
He won't eat.
He'll just like stand there watching as all the ladies are eating and enjoying themselves.
seamus coughlin
I like him now.
tim pool
You know, imagine that.
Imagine that.
Imagine a world where the women are safe and comfortable and they're all, you know, happily going around eating all our little zucchinis.
Because there is a big strong rooster who's like, I will forego eating for now to make sure you can all eat safely.
ian crossland
I love it.
seamus coughlin
Would that impose any sort of role on the women?
Because then that's not okay.
tim pool
Chicken patriarchy!
unidentified
I love it.
ian crossland
You can get right up in his face and he'll still scream at you.
But it's real weird, like his eyes are still, he'll be looking at you and he's like...
seamus coughlin
I love it.
I love that Norton knows.
ian crossland
Like a foot away.
seamus coughlin
So we know Ian has gotten in the rooster's face.
I know that you've gotten close to the camera.
ian crossland
Yeah, I got eye contact, you know?
seamus coughlin
And then he got pecked and he's like, I wish I had five feet of foresight.
ian crossland
There was a cage between us.
I love him, but he's moving.
We're moving the roosters outside of my room.
unidentified
Oh gosh, good luck.
ian crossland
So I may want to murder that thing at some point.
unidentified
I don't know.
You will.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, no, you're certainly going to want to murder it at some point.
Because he's loud at 4 a.m.
ian crossland
sometimes, 5 a.m.
tim pool
Maybe you need to stop waking up at 7 p.m.
ian crossland
I do keep weird hours.
seamus coughlin
That's also true.
Yeah, the weird hours thing.
tim pool
We've had, like, guests who are really excited, like, I really want to meet Ian, I'm so excited, and he's leaving.
unidentified
Too bad.
tim pool
And they're like, but I gotta leave at, like, six.
Ian's a sleeper, I tell you that.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'll have to meet him next time.
tim pool
Ladies and gentlemen, it's been a fabulous Friday night.
Thanks for hanging out.
Thanks for watching TimCast.
It's been a whole lot of fun.
You can follow the show at TimCastIRL, basically everywhere, and you can follow me personally at TimCast.
Go to TimCast.com.
Become a member!
Help support our fierce and independent journalism from people like Cassandra.
seamus coughlin
Amen.
cassandra fairbanks
Thank you.
tim pool
Do you want to shout anything out?
cassandra fairbanks
Um, it is not enough to not support PETA.
We must be actively anti-PETA.
unidentified
Yes!
seamus coughlin
I love it.
unidentified
I love it.
There you go.
ian crossland
You rock.
Thanks for coming, everyone.
Ian Crossland.
Peace and love.
seamus coughlin
I love what you just said.
I'm absolutely going to steal it.
Let's just pretend it was original when I say it.
tim pool
Shim-sham-coglin!
seamus coughlin
It's Shim-sham-coglin.
This has been ShimCast IRL.
unidentified
I want everybody to know.
seamus coughlin
It's not enough to oppose abortion.
We have to be actively anti-abortion.
And thank you for watching.
I know we got into some dark topics, but it was well worth it.
God bless all of you.
Please pray the rosary for an end to abortion.
And do everything that you can.
Talk to people about this.
unidentified
If you know someone considering an abortion, be brave.
seamus coughlin
Tell them.
you know, uh, that this is an unborn child, give them the information that they need in
order to choose life.
tim pool
I think offer them support, you know, like be compassionate.
seamus coughlin
I will help you if you have this child, please.
You should because that is a child and what you're going to do is end their life.
lydia smith
Yeah.
My mother used to work in a like an anti-abortion support clinic where these people would go if they were thinking about having an abortion.
My mom was like, please don't have an abortion.
We have these clothes, we have diapers, we have everything you need.
And I thought that was wonderful because that was one of the one of the greatest things she did.
I'm on on the side of Seamus here.
I don't think that anybody should have an abortion ever.
So, if you know somebody who's considering having an abortion, please direct them to... What's it called, Seamus?
What's it called?
seamus coughlin
Crisis Pregnancy Center.
It's important to know that many, many women who have had abortions say that it's because they didn't feel they had any other option, they had no other support.
unidentified
You have to be that support for them.
lydia smith
That's right.
Send them to a Crisis Pregnancy Center.
seamus coughlin
They will help them.
tim pool
I will, I will add...
I just, I can't stand the meme from the left where they say like, conservatives don't, you know, are pro-life until the baby's born.
And I'm like, I don't think they follow any conservatives.
Cause like, I follow a bunch of conservatives and they're always posting about orphanages and like taking care of kids and adopting and providing support and donating.
And I'm like, I don't think that's true.
I think you just want to believe it's true because it kind of absolves you of some responsibility to blame someone else.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
It's projection.
It's projection, right?
Because they tend not to care all that much for the groups that they advocate for.
I mean, imagine if the same standards were applied to them.
They'll say things like, oh, you're pro-life, how can you be pro-life if you haven't adopted any children?
All right, well, like, how many refugees have you paid to house?
None of them do.
I actually know many pro-life people who have adopted children.
I don't really know left-wing people who have put money on the table to help the marginalized groups that they claim to advocate for.
cassandra fairbanks
I know so many conservative people who are very pro-life and have adopted children.
Like, there's Gina Loudon, there's all kinds of people who are doing that.
That's true.
tim pool
You gotta get out of that propaganda bubble, man, because you're allowed to have whatever politics you want, so long as you can recognize, like, objective reality.
And we all kind of disagree on a lot of things, but at least we can have real conversations about things that we...
As for this show, Nightmarish, but I'll leave it there.
Did you shout out your Twitter yet?
lydia smith
I didn't.
You guys are more than welcome to follow me at SourPatchLits, L-Y-D-S, on Twitter.
I routinely tweet extremely pro-life things.
That is my hill to die on.
So that's why.
Tonight's show is definitely why that happened.
So yeah, follow me there.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, myself as well.
I tweet a lot of pro-life stuff.
Freedom Tunes is my YouTube channel if you want to check that out.
tim pool
And we did another Fauci video.
seamus coughlin
Tim and I did another Fauci cartoon.
Tim voiced Fauci.
It was beautiful.
I thought the cartoon came out very well, so check that out.
And thank you for tuning in to ShimCast IRL.
lydia smith
That's right!
seamus coughlin
Thank you guys for being my guests.
Tim, I always appreciate when you come on.
Lydia, you too.
tim pool
Thanks, Seamus.
seamus coughlin
Thanks for having me, Seamus.
I really, yeah, of course.
Anytime.
Anytime, of course, guys.
tim pool
Go to TimCast.com, become a member, and we'll see you all.
I don't think we're going to have the vlog up tomorrow because we're shuffling around.
We hired more people because we're trying to make the vlog daily, but maybe Sunday.
So YouTube.com slash CastCastle.
If you've been missing these episodes, you are really missing out because Kent has been doing animations.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
There was this one amazing one where Ian's like, I'm on the roof, and I decided to let down my magnetic force field.
And then this wolf hominid comes and he wants to eat me.
And then Ian goes, I was high.
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