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Timcast IRL - Leftist Democrat Says SUCK IT UP After Spending $70k On Private Police w/FreedomToons
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unidentified
I'm gonna go ahead and get started.
tim pool
Last night we had a scheduling error and the show ended up getting cancelled but it's alright because it's Lydia's birthday so she got the night off.
unidentified
Happy birthday.
I did.
lydia smith
Thank you guys.
I think I appreciate that.
I really appreciate that.
My co-workers threw me a party.
This is my favorite gift that I got.
It's by Ibram X Kendi.
seamus coughlin
It's a good one.
lydia smith
It's called Stamped for Kids and I'm going to read it and get back to you guys.
tim pool
Yeah, it's anti-racism for children.
lydia smith
That's right, yeah.
tim pool
Because there's not enough critical race applied principles in our schools.
So it's a good thing that Ibram has written a book for children.
Maybe, you know, that's an important thing we should do.
ian crossland
It's like Communist for Kids, where you spell it with a K, right?
lydia smith
Yeah, it's really cute.
seamus coughlin
I'm surprised they're not publishing the manifesto with pop-up book versions yet, honestly.
ian crossland
It'd be augmented reality.
seamus coughlin
But I know, Liz, I know you want to have kids and whatnot.
It'll be good for you to have that book in your arsenal for them.
lydia smith
Yeah, I'm excited.
I'm going to go through it and, like, make notes and everything will be good.
seamus coughlin
Good for you.
tim pool
Suck it up, Seamus.
seamus coughlin
What?
tim pool
If I want to defund the police and then spend $70,000 on private security for myself, I'm gonna do it, and I'll spend $200,000 if I have to.
You know why?
Because I'm important.
Because I'm doing the hard work.
unidentified
I'm the one, the only one, who can save these people.
seamus coughlin
What stage of capitalism is this?
Are you kidding?
They're defunding the police and paying tens of thousands for their own private security?
tim pool
Seamus, Seamus.
My theatrics may have been only slightly exaggerated.
seamus coughlin
You actually, I thought you were serious.
tim pool
That is almost a verbatim quote from Cori Bush.
She is a progressive.
She was sleeping on the steps at the Capitol because of the eviction moratorium, but she actually went on this tirade where she was like, I'm doing the work, and I have threats, so I will spend up to $200,000 if I have to.
seamus coughlin
And no one else has ever had their life threatened besides an elected official who could afford private security.
So awesome.
tim pool
With campaign funds.
seamus coughlin
I'm glad she's defunding the police.
Isn't she part of the squad?
Isn't she one of these socialists?
I don't know if she's a socialist.
I don't know if she's a socialist, all right.
tim pool
But she's a squad member.
seamus coughlin
But here's the thing.
Well, I want to educate her, because I don't know if you know this, but I'm a socialist, Tim.
Are you?
Yes.
Good.
I think that it's wrong that the ultra-wealthy should be the only people with access to security.
I believe we should universalize security by having people's taxes fined like security guards, but for the whole public.
tim pool
So you're saying universal private security?
seamus coughlin
I like that.
A single-payer private security system.
And I think some of these soc-dems and socialists might be interested in something like that.
tim pool
I like that.
I don't know, that's a hard sell.
You know, they're very much about getting...
seamus coughlin
So only the wealthy should have security, Tim?
tim pool
Apparently that's their plan.
Oh no, no, no, no, Seamus, you misunderstand.
They're staunch defenders of the Second Amendment.
seamus coughlin
Oh no.
That's right.
Yeah, that's right.
Now, of course, I'm being a little bit silly here.
Private security is one of the things, or I shouldn't say private security, but security is one of the things that it's reasonable for the state to provide.
So we don't call that socialism, but it's funny to me how the government's supposed to fund everything except for the basic things that it actually is supposed to fund, like the police.
tim pool
We got this story.
We got a bunch of other stories.
Israel is now moving to three COVID shots.
Three.
seamus coughlin
Three?
tim pool
A third one?
Yeah, there's some breaking news I haven't been able to verify yet.
I don't speak Hebrew.
And there's a report that came out from Israel's Channel 13.
I could not verify the translation because I've only just seen it.
It came out earlier today.
seamus coughlin
He only just started Hebrew school.
tim pool
But I can tell you that there's a report saying that the infection rates are going way, way up in Israel.
Hospitalizations are way up.
And they're contemplating another hard lockdown.
But they're gonna try a third COVID shot to see if that works.
And now Dr. Fauci has said they are rushing for approval.
For a third shot for those that are immunocompromised or weakened.
So, look, based on that, based on Joe Biden's illegal eviction moratorium that he put into place in the Supreme Court that you can't do it, I think whether or not there's going to be another lockdown, the rule of law was just smacked with a sledgehammer.
Supreme Court's like, you do not have the authority to demand people give their property to somebody else.
And Joe Biden went, I'm gonna do it anyway!
And he did, so that's where we are.
seamus coughlin
Was there, like, a property tax moratorium?
Are these landlords who own property no longer required to fulfill their obligation to give the government money?
tim pool
Don't say landlord, say retiree.
seamus coughlin
Say retiree.
tim pool
Yeah, the 60-year-olds who put their retirement funds into, like, a two-flat and rent out a portion of it and that's their retirement.
Yeah, those are the people getting hit by this.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well, that's the thing.
Landlord has become this political cuss word, but most landlords are not uber-wealthy people.
They're middle class or they're retirees.
This is a way they supplement their income or try to make a living for themselves.
tim pool
Fixed income.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
So we're going to talk about all that.
Obviously, Seamus is here.
seamus coughlin
He's talking about Seamus stuff.
Yes, I am.
Seamus, Freedom Tunes.
I run this channel called Freedom Tunes, T-O-O-N-S, YouTube.com slash Freedom Tunes.
We're going to be uploading a cartoon tomorrow about good old Dr. Fauci, as a matter of fact.
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ian crossland
This is the most martial of laws I've ever experienced in the United States.
Forty years or something.
I've never seen it to the point where it's just they just override the Supreme Court.
And it's kind of weird.
And I know that like they did during the Spanish flu, you know, like during times of disease has been a notable time for governments to take martial law action.
But I wasn't expecting it.
unidentified
It was different.
tim pool
It was different back when you had sort of a consensus, when you had culture and community and everyone kind of agreed.
ian crossland
Right, now you have the internet and all this different conflicting data, and it's driving people crazy and making people second-guess things.
It's really a weird time.
seamus coughlin
Well, and also, I don't know if I'm gonna get in trouble for saying this, but this is not exactly the same as the Spanish flu in terms of deadliness.
ian crossland
As far as we can tell, yeah, a lot of that was sanitary.
seamus coughlin
They didn't have a lot of what we have now.
The Spanish flu is almost the exact reverse because it caused your immune system to turn on your body.
So younger people with healthier immune systems were more likely to die of it.
And in this case, COVID, I think it's something like 80% of COVID deaths are people above the age of 65.
So it's just, it's much more likely, it's much more likely to affect the elderly, whereas the Spanish flu is much more likely to affect younger, healthier people.
tim pool
I think, and to clarify too, I think the booster shots in Israel are for people over 60.
seamus coughlin
Interesting.
tim pool
But we got Lydia pressing buttons.
lydia smith
I am here in the corner pushing buttons.
It is, in fact, my birthday.
Thank you guys for joining me on my birthday.
It's a wonderful birthday.
unidentified
Happy birthday!
lydia smith
I appreciate everyone in my life.
seamus coughlin
We hit a piñata earlier.
lydia smith
Yeah, Seamus freaking destroyed that piñata.
It was really, really fun.
I appreciate that.
unidentified
Cool.
ian crossland
I missed that.
What'd you hit it with?
seamus coughlin
A bat.
There are some I just put my dukes up dude. I'm a blindfolded me and I started swinging and I broke
They're like you broke the pinata. I was like pinata Did you go on the trampoline? I did not know I have a check
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ian crossland
That was good, though.
That was very clear.
seamus coughlin
Honestly, I think I'm gonna go do it.
ian crossland
Like the Micro Machines guy.
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My friends, welcome to the show.
Suck it up.
Cori Bush defends hiring private security guards while demanding America defund police.
This is brilliant.
She said, I'm going to make sure that I have security because I know I Man, I could just emphasize all the I's.
Have had attempts on my life, and I have too much work to do.
There are too many people that need help right now for me to allow that.
Wow.
seamus coughlin
That is someone who should just not be given any more power in any other context for the rest of their life.
Like, they have already fallen into the perfect totalitarian mindset.
I'm more important than the average person, so a different set of rules should apply to me.
tim pool
Check it out.
In her one sentence, she says, I'm going to make sure that I have security because I know I had attempts on my life and I have too much, too much work to do.
There are too many people that need help right now for me to a seven in one sentence.
unidentified
Wow.
Incredible.
That is really fantastic.
tim pool
Yeah.
And I'm someone who says I a lot as well, but I'm impressed.
seamus coughlin
Timcast IRL.
It's in the name.
unidentified
Yeah, that's right.
tim pool
She says, so if I end up spending $200,000, if I spend 10 more dollars on it, you know what?
I get to be here to do the work, she added, so suck it up.
Defunding the police has to happen.
We need to defund the police and put that money into social safety nets.
Okay, to be fair, she said we in that sentence.
seamus coughlin
Well, she said we, so that means she's a woman of the people, I'm convinced.
Yeah, I'm absolutely convinced.
I mean, it's the perfect example of moral licensing.
tim pool
Right.
Can anybody question the squad on their stance on guns?
I think that's a really important thing, because the left, like real leftists, they like guns.
seamus coughlin
They like guns, yes.
tim pool
And so their support base are progressives.
What will the progressives think?
Like, where are they at on this one?
I don't think anyone's ever been like, Ocasio-Cortez, how do you feel about guns?
seamus coughlin
Well, here's the thing.
I mean, gun control is a losing issue for the left.
So I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of their base is very much in favor of guns and would be against the gun restrictions that the more moderate Democrats tend to push for.
tim pool
I think it's establishment Democrats that are anti-gun.
Leftists are pro-gun.
I think a good portion of union Democrat working guys, if they still exist, are pro-gun.
ian crossland
The days of ballistic fabrication have evolved.
You can 3D print weaponry now that didn't exist 20 years ago.
The whole idea of legislating illegality to something that people can do in their house in secrecy is insane.
seamus coughlin
You can make meth in your house in secrecy.
Physically, but not legally.
Clearly we can legislate things you can make in your house, but I agree it makes it a lot more difficult and it's going to be a massive uphill battle.
For the people who want to regulate guns, not only because, as you said, you can make these things in your house and the technology's improving, but because the vast majority of the public isn't on board with that agenda.
tim pool
Did you ever hear about that guy who made a radiation death ray in his garage?
And he, like, irradiated his whole neighborhood.
And so the government found out because they were getting this crazy, like, really intense reading.
And he had taken a bunch of common, like, radioactive materials, because they exist all over the place, and he, like, made a big cluster of it, and then he put it in, like, I could be getting this story wrong, so someone fact me, because I just read it on the internet somewhere.
But he created, like, a lead casing with a hole, and then he put all of this radioactive material in it, and it focused the radiation out of it.
And so apparently they came and, like, shut him down.
He got offered a job, but then kept doing illegal stuff with radiation, and was, like, covered in lesions, so they, like, kicked him out of whatever it is they were doing.
I was just thinking... Just real quick, I bring that up because of what your point was, like, that self, like, home fabrication of things, it literally happens.
But...
The reason I brought up 2A in the first place, in the context of the squad, is Cori Bush says defund the police.
And many of the leftists have said straight up, abolish the police.
Now here's the problem I have with their view on this, is that they want private security for themselves, they don't want you to have guns, and they want to take away your police.
That is anarcho-tyranny to the most extreme degree.
My position is abolish the police and give everyone guns by mandate.
ian crossland
I was just thinking, if you establish a global second amendment, how often do civilians from one country ever get charged with attacking another country?
In the last 400 years... There was that guy in San Francisco who shot that woman.
But I mean military escapades.
In the last 400 years, I can't really pick a citizen attack on another country.
It's always the government.
So if these citizens were armed, we would probably see a lot less war.
seamus coughlin
You know, but arming the citizens doesn't necessarily mean you get rid of the military in that country.
ian crossland
Right, you'd still have a military, but you'd also have an armed citizenry on both sides.
seamus coughlin
Oh, I get what you're saying, yeah.
tim pool
You know, my view of it is, like, uh, so I've been saying abolish the police just because I see what's going on with, you know, the Metro Police in D.C.
and the Capitol Police.
What happened with that guy in his own home getting arrested?
What happened in Seattle with the cops actually defending Antifa?
And I'm like, dude, call their bluff.
Call them out.
Say just, okay, people should have a right to defend themselves.
And if, you know, if cops aren't gonna do it right, But my view is, uh, give everybody guns.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
Second Amendment, you have a right to keep and bear arms.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Then if we're gonna have universal healthcare, we're gonna have universal guns as well.
But I'll put it really, really simply.
I don't see people in their cars just, like, randomly, like, crashing into houses and, like, slamming the gas and slamming into old ladies or anything like that.
How is it that people have access to this very powerful machine that can just hit somebody?
And they don't.
They don't.
I kind of think people don't want to kill other people for the most part.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
I mean, look, there are a lot of traffic fatalities and you also have a lot of accidental gun deaths, but generally speaking, people aren't going out and killing each other.
Now, before 2020, violent crime was on a downward trend, so we could say something like that and have data to back us up more strongly, but unfortunately, because of the summer of rage, as they call it, crime rates have more or less biked again, and we'll see how long they stay up for, whether they decline.
I'm sure they will, but who knows?
Maybe things actually just get worse, and then we can't make the case that people will be peaceful with their guns, but they'll still need them to protect them.
tim pool
This is my position on cops right now.
I mean, you look at what happens with Chauvin.
He gets arrested and charged.
That Kim woman, Kim Potter, she gets arrested and charged.
And I'm like, if everything is going to be beholden to the far left, the last thing we need is a police force to enforce the whims of the far left.
Sorry.
So, you know, when Cori Bush comes out, she's like, we're going to defund the police.
I'm like, better do it now before they take more control in government and then start using the cops against regular working class people.
ian crossland
I don't know.
We got to clarify, like, what does that mean to fund the place?
Because I know when Vosch was on the show a couple nights ago, he immediately thought the anarcho version of it, which is completely remove the funding.
So abolish, basically.
tim pool
He also said it hadn't happened.
And I was like, there was a report last year, it was like 265 departments had like their budgets slashed by substantial numbers.
ian crossland
I think New York slashed a billion, right?
tim pool
A billion.
ian crossland
So that's a defunding, not an abolishment.
seamus coughlin
I mean, look, I believe law and order is very important on the one hand.
On the other hand, I think there maybe is something to allowing these left-wing cities to engage in some self-sabotage and see how that goes for them, and maybe that corrects some of the bad thinking.
Ultimately, I would leave it up more to local governments and regions to determine what their police force should look like.
tim pool
And you know what?
I'll clarify this, too.
I didn't say abolish the sheriffs or troopers.
I'm talking about these big cities where things are, like, run by Democrats, and then the Democrats complain about their own mistakes.
I'm like, okay, I don't live there.
ian crossland
You know when you have a baby or a child that's like, don't touch the hot stove, kid, and then the kid's like, eh, eh, and wants to do it, and you're like, what are you gonna do?
Eventually, you gotta let him live his life.
If he touches the stove, he burns his finger, and he realizes, I shouldn't do that again.
You can't spend your whole life keeping the kid out of the kitchen.
So, in a way, maybe we should let these cities rip their police departments apart.
tim pool
I think if that's what they want, if that's who they vote for, then either... Here's the way I see it, right?
Like I mentioned, first and foremost, I look at what happened when there was like a bunch of right-wing dudes in Portland or whatever and the cops started beating them up.
Then you've got obviously the Capitol Police crying and saying Trump's racist and all that stuff.
And then you see the guy in Milwaukee who gets arrested after people were at his house threatening his own house.
Now that, you know, right on the surface, it's like, okay, there's clearly an issue there, but there's another two issues that I think are important.
If the Democrats come out and say they want to abolish or defund their police, I'm like, first of all, I don't live there, and I'm more libertarian, so I say, well, then they can run their community as they see fit, within reason.
Maybe they're right.
Maybe they're right, huh?
It'll be a utopia with no police.
seamus coughlin
I highly doubt it.
tim pool
Well, hey, and maybe they're wrong.
And then maybe regular people in these cities will be like, wow, we shouldn't have voted for those people.
seamus coughlin
I think a lot of those people will leave though, to be honest.
It's already happening.
A lot of people are leaving the cities.
The property values are decreasing.
I mean, Chicago has been shrinking.
That's my point of reference.
Everyone's crossing the border over to Indiana because they want to live somewhere that's sensibly run and they want to vote for policies which are not sensible so they can destroy the way they did the place they just came from.
tim pool
Well, to be honest, there's a lot of places in Indiana that have already been destroyed, and I don't think they care.
unidentified
That's fair, that's very fair!
tim pool
Yeah, you go over to Gary and it's like... For those that aren't familiar, Gary is like... The armpit of America?
unidentified
Is that what they call it?
seamus coughlin
I think so, yeah.
Gary, Indiana, and Englewood in Chicago go back and forth for murder capital.
Oh, wow.
Oh, really?
ian crossland
Gary's heavily industrialized, isn't it?
It's like the industrial zone of Chicago?
tim pool
Last time I went to Gary it was crazy because you'd go to like a block like a residential block and Every fourth house was a house and in between it was just abandoned falling apart chaos And it was really weird to see, like, a regular house sitting right there, like a car, and then, like, everything destroyed next to it.
You walk down the street and there's a school, windows blown out.
The craziest thing, man, the school, there's, like, records of the children who went there in the 60s, just everywhere.
You could walk up, pick up someone's file, find their name.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
And there were buildings like that all over the place.
seamus coughlin
Actually, so what happened was the police went in and just started breaking windows and destroying houses, and it was all because it was just the cops.
tim pool
Hunting people down.
ian crossland
That's right.
But the police were responsible.
seamus coughlin
And then they defunded the police and now Gary doesn't have any police and it's going great.
ian crossland
It's an interesting phenomenon in the United States, all these like ghost town type, these rubber boom, like Akron.
I was born in Akron in Ohio and there's a rubber boom city after a good year was formed there in the fifties and forties.
And then, uh, when the rubber boom stopped, it became a ghost town, but not like Gary.
Gary had, Akron didn't have Chicago right next door.
So Gary's like the beat up aftermath of a ghost town.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
I find it fascinating.
There's all these different cities.
There's another report that found Democrats in all of these cities that had defunded police were hiring massive private security.
seamus coughlin
Oh, interesting.
tim pool
This is what it was like when I was growing up in Chicago.
I remember my dad used to say that these politicians in Chicago would always vote for more gun restrictions.
seamus coughlin
And then have private security guards with guns.
Exactly.
tim pool
They can have guns.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
I can have a gun to protect myself.
I'll have a private security force to protect my family.
Put those stupid peasants out there.
Let them have five-round magazines.
ian crossland
Yep.
seamus coughlin
If they can have a gun at all.
lydia smith
Yeah.
ian crossland
What does she think Cori Bush think is the point?
What does she want to do?
Defund the police?
What does she mean?
Like get social workers to go on calls of domestic abuse?
tim pool
Yes.
She said social... What did she say?
Social safety nets?
ian crossland
Does she understand that domestic abuse is some of the most dangerous situations a human can walk into?
Two enraged people in the middle of a fight?
tim pool
I don't know about too enraged people, often you'll get like a dude abusing a woman.
It is true that women abuse men as well, but it's disproportionately men abusing women.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
And that's why I'm like, ladies, you need to have proper training and firearms, man.
ian crossland
Dude, I heard this.
I used to live next door to this couple, and I could hear them through the walls, and they would fight a lot.
And one night, I heard the guy come home, and then I heard the girl like, meh meh meh, meh meh meh.
And the guy was like, meh?
Meh, meh, meh!
And the guy was like, meh, meh!
And she enraged the guy, and then the guy started beating her, and I called the cops.
But like, she instigated it.
It was crazy how domestic abuse is like this, can be a sick cycle that both people become used to.
tim pool
Well, look, I can call you a bunch of dirty names.
That doesn't mean you should take this.
ian crossland
No, he was in the wrong.
I called the cops on him for attacking.
Right, right, right.
tim pool
And you're right, you're right.
Police show up to that, and that's some of the most dangerous stuff they could encounter.
Here's a guy, he's attacking somebody.
You don't know what's going on, and sometimes the guy's innocent, even.
There's, like, a lot of these stories are kind of scary, too.
I think it's disproportionate, but there are stories where it's, like, the woman calls the cops on the guy, and the guy didn't do anything, and the cops come and arrest the guy.
It's a tough job, man.
I'm not gonna... I'm not gonna... There's no two words about it, and what do you do?
Do we just say, like, both the man in the wind should be armed, and then when the fight breaks out, they shoot each other?
No, obviously not.
That's why, when I talk about the police, I think the police are important.
I think they do a hard job.
I think they do a mostly good job.
And I think it's a fairly thankless in a lot of ways, because people don't like getting tickets.
They don't like getting tickets.
They don't like being told no.
And then they get pulled over, and they're like, you singled me out!
And they're all angry and it's like, well, you know, man, don't, you know, speed or whatever.
The issue right now is just it's, it's way too hot politically and the cultural institutions being controlled by leftist ideologues.
I'm like, I'll tell you what's going to happen, man.
Cause we've already seen it.
And I've already said it 50 million times.
They're going to, you know, they're going to show up to your house or take away your guns.
They're going to serve you a red flag warrant.
They're going to arrest you for defending yourself.
And they're going to let the extremists smash up windows and do whatever they want.
So I'm like, I like sheriffs tend to do a good job.
There's some bad stories about sheriffs, but.
If these big cities don't want their cops, I'm going to advocate for that.
ian crossland
My, my feeling is that it's going to be either socialized police, like what we kind of have now, federalized police or private police, that it will be one of those three, if not a mixture of all three, which we kind of have now.
So I'm afraid that if we defund police, socialized police, that we're going to have an influx of either federal or private.
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
And that's, that's terrifying.
I'd rather have local.
tim pool
Yes.
Well, that's what AOC said when asked, like, what would you be looking for?
And she said, we want it to be more like the suburbs.
Well, that's a good point.
Let's bring it back to the days of Officer Friendly, right?
ian crossland
What does she mean by that?
tim pool
I guess she's saying that, like, in the suburbs, the cop will pull you over and be like, how's it going there, Ian?
Good day?
You're speeding again?
And then you're going to be like, I'm sorry, Officer Smith.
Like, well, you slow down there, son.
ian crossland
And then he leaves and everyone's like... They knew my dad was a fireman.
They knew my dad.
They go, oh, you're Crossland's kid?
tim pool
White privilege.
ian crossland
Get out of here.
tim pool
White privilege.
ian crossland
Here's a warning.
One time I got a warning.
Yeah, that was fireman privilege.
tim pool
Fireman privilege.
lydia smith
I'm not quite saying that.
ian crossland
City worker privilege.
tim pool
Check out, I want to pull up this, we got this story.
lydia smith
Oh yeah, this is a great story.
tim pool
I love that our guys wrote this for TimCast.com.
lydia smith
That's a great picture.
tim pool
Liberal Utopia.
San Francisco woman seen holding AK-47 from passenger window of speeding car.
It's amazing.
There's the photo.
It's a lady hanging out the window.
I guess she got arrested.
My understanding is it's not an AK-47.
Someone mentioned it's an AKM-74 or something like that.
I don't know for sure.
But she has terrible trigger discipline.
lydia smith
She's ready, man.
tim pool
Too ready.
But this brings up an interesting issue, I was thinking, about universal guns and stuff like that.
If you're driving your car erratically, like, I think the cop can pull you over and say, get out of the car, like you're driving erratically, like if you're driving drunk.
If you are brandishing a weapon out of the side of a vehicle, like, I don't think it's a violation of your second amendment if a cop's like, I'm taking that away from you.
More importantly, with their finger on the trigger.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Yeah.
Should you bust people just for that?
You think if someone's walking around carrying and then they have their bad trigger discipline, like she's holding the gun.
tim pool
It looks like I don't, I don't, I don't think she was intending on shooting anybody.
I'm not sure, but she's holding it like low ready basically with her finger on the trigger.
Yeah.
I think she should have that taken away and you know, she's the passenger.
lydia smith
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
Hanging, hanging out of the window, but San Francisco dude.
lydia smith
Things are going well over there.
So I was really curious though, and I don't know if we read this in the article, but is this part of like a gang war or something?
tim pool
No, I think she was just driving.
It was a speed event.
lydia smith
With a gun?
tim pool
Yeah, it was funny because a lot of comments were like, man, she's so dumb, but that photo is awesome.
lydia smith
That's a pretty killer photo.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
It's not awesome.
Dude, I look at this, I gotta be honest, this lady out of a car holding that gun, and I'm not somebody who's got extensive training, I'm like, it's embarrassing.
You know what I mean?
Like if I took a photo, so we did a photo shoot when we had Forrest here for RequilMag, and I'm like very careful, make sure you're telling me how to stand and how to hold it, because the last thing I want is to have a photo of me holding it wrong.
ian crossland
She's going to be all over the internet, and I don't know if she cares though, she's not like, It seems like since the movies have been invented that people have become desensitized to the horrors of danger in a lot of ways.
Because 150 years ago, if that had come out, that someone was driving around like a psycho, screaming with their finger on the trigger of a weapon, that would be a huge deal for that city.
They'd have to do something about that person.
But now it's like, it's a hero!
It's an action hero!
tim pool
Were the John Dillinger days like that?
ian crossland
I almost didn't say that because there were What are they, Bonnie and Clyde?
And like, they're old, like, villains that were kind of looked at like heroes?
Like, in the old west?
lydia smith
They still are, yeah.
tim pool
Anti-heroes, or... I don't know.
Billy the Kid?
Yeah, it's kind of weird, isn't it?
Yeah, like, John Dillinger?
You know, people look back on him with some kind of reverence?
ian crossland
It's been like a mad distrust for the state, and like a love of local authority.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, now San Francisco is just devolving.
I mean, could this be, you know, it's really funny as we're sitting here laughing like, haha, she's so dumb in San Francisco.
It's so dumb.
Could this be like the beginning of the Wild West days of America?
Like where it's like the dystopian era is beginning.
The eviction moratorium is totally illegal.
Biden's just basically blatantly disregarding all law and precedence in this country in rather extreme ways.
To be fair, Obama and Trump did kill American citizens.
think uh... no bombers was a bit more egregious trumps was a bit reckless
we've had bad orders from presidents for a long time but now it's like
here at home you know i mean i put a bomb a kill
unidentified
well this is this mike arm and and when you're doing it when when obama killed
tim pool
those americans with a drone strike you know nobody knew what happened and they
didn't care And Trump had ordered a commando raid, which ended up, we believe, killing a little girl.
So actually, I should say that the Trump thing is not confirmed, though we believe it was the case.
People don't see that stuff.
Now you've got Joe Biden being like, I'm going to the Supreme Court to see if I can do this thing.
And the Supreme Court's like, you can't do this thing.
And then he's like, Congress, can you do this thing?
And they're like, we can't do this thing.
And he goes, I'll do it anyway.
The craziest thing is that Joe Biden threatened to arrest people for evicting somebody a year in jail.
Under what authority could he do?
None.
Literally none.
Literally the Supreme Court's like, you can't do it.
He goes, okay, I'll do it anyway.
The Supreme Court can't do anything to stop it.
So when you see that, and you see poop all over the streets, I'll tell you this, man, this woman riding around with their gun, what did you think was gonna happen when people know they can break the law with impunity in San Francisco?
That guy walks into Walgreens, right?
I'm sorry, he rides his bike into Walgreens, and then he has a garbage bag, and he fills it up with stuff, and then he rides out, and the security guard doesn't do anything, and Chesa Bowden actually defended the guy.
ian crossland
What?
tim pool
What was just about it? He's the D.A. He said something like, oh, he was desperate.
You know, and he told this story a year ago about how we have to make sure that we don't
we don't make unintended consequences happen by arresting these dealers.
And they told a story about how one dealer was was trafficked here and had to sell drugs to pay off the dealers who are
holding his dad hostage.
And I'm like, so you're saying this guy comes here and he's selling drugs on our streets and we have to tolerate it because his dad's in danger?
That makes literally no sense.
I'm sorry, I don't want anything bad to happen to his dad, but how is it that we're gonna let him deal drugs, pay off the kidnappers and rescue his dad?
What are you talking about?
It's bad to stop.
That's San Francisco.
This is what you get when you get district attorneys much like Cori Bush.
Who are like these progressive Democrats who are just like, tear it all down.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm thinking about like, ancient history and basically the totalitarian of human history.
If someone were to go onto like a farmer's land and take three of their goats, and then get caught, and the farmer's like, why'd you take my goats?
And they're like, I had to feed my starving family.
They would hang that guy.
Probably not even a trial.
They just take him and put him to death, basically, for thievery.
And now we're in such an abundant society that it's like, thievery isn't such a big deal, maybe, it seems like.
lydia smith
Well, I feel like we're able to see a lot more of like the extra downsides of theft and robbery because I was learning the other day they are two totally different things.
We can now see what robbery does to, for example, businesses that work in a neighborhood and we can see everything it does to the- it like disheartens the people that live there and it makes them want to leave.
Like this lady riding around like it's freaking Grand Theft Auto.
That's insanity.
I feel like all we need is a drought for San Francisco to look like literal Mad Max.
tim pool
It's in a drought.
What do you mean?
lydia smith
Well, there you go.
This is Mad Max.
It's starting in California.
tim pool
California's in a drought.
lydia smith
You're right.
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
The drought is so bad that they're stopping people from pulling water out of the Delta.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Bro, I gotta be honest.
I'm looking at what's going on with the eviction moratorium, the debt ceiling crisis.
Those are very, very big.
Unemployment just being cranked out until September.
Now you're seeing stuff like this.
You're seeing more of the defund the police stuff.
And I'm like, it is Mad Max.
It is a controlled collapse almost.
It feels like... I want you to picture this in your heads, everybody.
There's a giant skyscraper.
And there is a giant Voltron-like Japanese robot punching buildings.
And the building gets knocked over, and Joe Biden, who's 70 feet tall, grabs it.
seamus coughlin
He's got hairy legs.
tim pool
And he's got very hairy legs.
And he's holding up the building as it's collapsing, and he's going, But it's too heavy, so it's slowly going down.
ian crossland
It's the end of a really good movie.
tim pool
It's going down.
And then, no, no, no, this is not the end of the beginning scene.
It's not a good movie.
It's the end of the second, you know, in like sequels that are part of trilogies, it's always a cliffhanger.
unidentified
Yeah.
That's it.
tim pool
The cliffhanger is Joe Biden can't lift the building back up and he's like, come on!
And it goes down.
seamus coughlin
And then the sequel is it just crushes him and he dies.
lydia smith
That's terrible.
tim pool
So, what I mean is, it feels like the system is falling over, and they're trying to hold it.
seamus coughlin
It doesn't just feel like it, Tim.
Yeah, I know.
lydia smith
You've seen it, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
When you get San Francisco with, like, people hanging out windows, like, speeding, and ladies holding a gun, I'm like, let's not be frogs boiling a pot.
seamus coughlin
What did you think was gonna happen?
ian crossland
What's the difference between thievery and robbery?
lydia smith
I guess that thievery doesn't require any kind of holding somebody up, you just sneak in and take stuff, whereas robbery requires somebody to like cause, threaten some kind of physical harm.
ian crossland
Oh, physical harm.
tim pool
Robbery would be like, give me your stuff!
ian crossland
And that's still illegal.
So San Francisco, robbery is still illegal, but they're allowing petty thievery?
tim pool
Yeah, well, I don't know.
Everything under $950, the police basically don't respond to, because they're misdemeanors or something like that.
seamus coughlin
And so people can walk into a- What about $200,000 private security forces?
Do you think they'll respond if something worth $950 gets stolen from a politician?
tim pool
Let me tell you about private security.
Private security will punch a cop in the face if their client wants them to or needs them to.
No joke.
seamus coughlin
They have lawyers.
tim pool
Yeah, right.
We've had people comment in Super Chat talking about this, but it's true.
Private security, they do not care.
If they have a client, it depends, it depends.
seamus coughlin
But they don't have to play politics either.
tim pool
If you're hiring a $15-an-hour private security guard for an event, he's gonna be like, I don't care.
ian crossland
He probably doesn't even have a gun.
tim pool
But, like, for Cori Bush, she's $70,000 in private security, and she's a politician.
These are the kind of people that are gonna tell the cop to screw off.
And the cop's gonna try and walk through, and they're gonna block him and be like, you're not getting past us.
It's not gonna happen.
Now, for millionaires and billionaires, those are the kind of guys who are, like, literally would punch a cop in the face.
seamus coughlin
Those private security guards will do whatever they want.
ian crossland
And they'll, like, fly the guy out of the country if he does something.
tim pool
Yeah, they'll get him on a yacht and they'll take him out.
ian crossland
Him and his family.
tim pool
Get him 12 miles out to sea or whatever.
ian crossland
Take you to Abu Dhabi.
Set you up in a really nice hotel.
Nice suite.
seamus coughlin
The police now don't do that.
We should defund them.
You know, until a police officer does that for me, defund them.
tim pool
Defund all the cops because they don't provide us with that because they won't take notes international waters What if we get like a police and it was like subscription service?
So you get like police police plus and police go that's what it is That's what we're headed to I mean if everything becomes private security.
seamus coughlin
What other option do we have people?
People are just gonna start hiring private security, then local communities, they'll band together and go, well, the police have been defunded and we need some way to protect ourselves.
The millionaires and billionaires have private security, so why don't we pool together as a neighborhood and hire our own private security force?
And then they do, and then we end up in Ancapistan, which is crazy to me that the left have become the proponents of that.
tim pool
Problem imagining like check it out like you someone breaks in your house And like they run off you call the police and like you're a regular working-class person and the cop shows up And he's like I see you're using our our Basic package for police service so the person's not you get five bullets The perpetrator is no longer here I think you're safe, and we have fulfilled our requirements under the basic plan.
Have a nice day, good sir.
feel free to contact us if you'd ever like to upgrade. Then you get someone who's got like
platinum platinum plus and the cop shows up and they show up with a fruit basket.
unidentified
They don't shoot your dog. If you only get the basic version, you get the premium version.
seamus coughlin
They like put him down ethically with like a nice injection.
unidentified
But either way your dog is going to die. Well you did call us.
It is part of the package.
ian crossland
You can see, like, a basic package where they'll apprehend the guy and then let him go.
But then there's, like, the gold package where they apprehend him and they'll actually take him to the courthouse and do the paperwork for you.
tim pool
For the Platinum Platinum Plus, if you're, like, a millionaire and you spend, like, 20 grand a month on the police, they bring the guy to your house.
They bring him into the basement where there's chains over a pipe.
And they're like, here you go, sir.
It's part of the Platinum Platinum Plus DNA.
He's now going to live in your basement.
ian crossland
I heard that private security agents cost, it's the insurance to hire those guys.
Cause like each person's like a million dollars in insurance to cover.
So you can't, the normal person just cannot afford that stuff.
And if people started to come together, cause technically if you get a legal weapon, you are your own private security force.
But as soon as you start to build a force, I think that you become then liable for insurance.
tim pool
You know what?
You know what I really do think, though?
I think if we did abolish the police, it would basically be the end of the U.S.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Because it's like you were saying, what would happen is people would either form local militias or local security companies would come in.
Now, imagine this.
You live in, let's call it like, let's call it Hillside, which I'm sure somebody watching lives in Hillside.
Let's say there's a hillside neighborhood, and the police are all disbanded and fall apart.
And so they say, we definitely need a security force, you know, police for our local community.
So they create one, and they all pitch in money, and now they have their local hillside police.
Well, next to hillside is valleyside, and they do the same thing.
And then one day, a kid from hillside gets into a fight with a kid in valleyside, punches him, the kid goes on, hits his head on a curb, and dies.
The hillside kid runs away after the kid dies, and then the valleyside police are like, we're gonna go get him, because he, you know, he came in here.
Then the hillside police are like, you can't come in here, and then you have feuding neighborhoods as if they are like micro-nations.
If you get rid of the police, I'm not gonna agree with the ANCAPs on this one.
That's why I said when I talk about abolish the police, it's not for the same reason as a lot of ANCAPs and libertarians, though they have been calling me based for saying it.
No, I think what would really happen is you'd have a conflict from regional departments.
And then what?
One police department's like, we gotta go to... Here's a better example.
Kid from Hillside goes to Valleyside and steals a $5,000 item and flees with it.
And then the Hillside cops are like, you're not coming in our neighborhood.
We don't know.
We don't care.
And we're not investigating that for whatever reason.
And the Valleyside cops are like, we're getting our property back for our patrons.
And then what?
seamus coughlin
Then they go in there and they shoot everyone's dog.
lydia smith
Gang war, yeah.
unidentified
They just, they go in there, everyone wakes up and all the dogs are dead.
seamus coughlin
All the dogs are dead.
They like sneak, they come in their house mission impossible from the ceiling like just to take the dog out.
unidentified
Just to take the dog out.
lydia smith
Targeted hit.
ian crossland
That's assuming too that these neighborhoods have the same laws because then you'd start to get even more granular local level law like It's okay to steal up to $2,000 in Hillside, but in Valleyside, it's a crime.
It's okay to fight on the street in Valleyside.
tim pool
Look at San Francisco.
When they said they're not going to prosecute these crimes, people from all over the area are going there to steal.
They're like, hey Freebie, it's what happened in Ferguson.
The people who were rioting in Ferguson did not live there.
They were smashing windows and stealing stuff.
ian crossland
And it's gotta be bleeding over from San Francisco into the surrounding neighborhoods and cities.
I haven't looked into it much.
seamus coughlin
Hold on, hold on.
tim pool
Barbara Boxer, Democrat, Senator from California, got mugged by a child.
Okay, a kid.
We'll call, say, kid.
Because it was a young teenager.
ian crossland
Like an 18, 17 year old or something?
tim pool
No, no, no.
I don't know about that but apparently he like pushed her grabbed her phone she I think she I don't know if she fell over but then he jumped in a car and she was like why would you do that to a grandma and I'm just like you know there are bad people you need to be protected from let me tell you this man Have you seen that Purge episode of Rick and Morty?
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
The rich people think they're safe in the Purge.
They will make a world they will truly regret.
What I mean is these elite political class individuals, these Democrats for the most part, that want to defund and get rid of all these cops, I am of the firm belief that when they do that, they will absolutely regret it.
seamus coughlin
She defunded the police for him though.
people say things like why would somebody do something like this okay
there are so many reasons but did you really think they wouldn't did you not
understand that there are people out there that do those kinds of things and
ian crossland
like will hurt people and she defunded the police for him now so that he didn't
get he should have known He didn't get profiled.
seamus coughlin
Well, but hold on.
Was there like a social worker nearby when this happened to ask him about his feelings before he mugged her?
Yeah, because then it probably wouldn't have happened.
lydia smith
So Scott Adams has this theory that Democrats really don't understand human motivation, and I'm inclined to agree because Democrats seemed inclined to believe that people aren't going to do bad things to other people.
And if anything bad happens to, for example, a minority or person in that community, it's because someone else is doing a terrible thing.
So it's like, either you believe that everyone's basically good, or you think that everyone's basically bad except minorities.
seamus coughlin
I think I generally agree, but my thing with Scott Adams is I just don't take political advice from cartoonists.
lydia smith
Well, that's fair.
seamus coughlin
I appreciate that.
tim pool
Nor should you, right?
He's making fun of himself.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
But no, I think that's true.
They don't understand human motivation and if you go to many of the thinkers that were held up by the left or influenced the left historically like Rousseau who think that humans are fundamentally good, you get into this place where the only way someone could possibly do something bad is if they were engineered by society to commit the wrongdoing.
tim pool
Guys, I got bad news.
ian crossland
Uh-oh.
Uh-oh.
lydia smith
What's that?
tim pool
Spiffy's is closed.
ian crossland
I don't even know what it is!
tim pool
Spiffy's is closed, guys.
seamus coughlin
That's just news to me.
tim pool
It's getting worse every time you say it.
This is direct evidence.
The collapse is here.
The country has fallen.
seamus coughlin
You know what else is messed up?
The dairy.
So there's this dairy queen in Indiana I used to go to and they don't have Dilly Bars there anymore.
unidentified
What?!
seamus coughlin
And it's over!
And you're telling me that the West isn't collapsing.
lydia smith
This is Mad Max.
tim pool
Check out the story from TimCast.com.
Diner closes.
Diner closes.
Fined $400,000 for violating COVID-19 rules.
A diner that was fined $400,000 for violating COVID has closed permanently.
and the headline copy editor guys what are you doing teamcast.com a diner that was fined
400,000 for violating covid has closed permanently the Washington eatery was once referred to
as the flashpoint for covid rebellion by local news outlets they unfortunately they shut
They said it was due to staffing shortages and food delivery problems, not the fines.
seamus coughlin
Huh.
tim pool
So it wasn't the fines.
seamus coughlin
Interesting.
tim pool
Okay.
seamus coughlin
But, uh, I'm sure the fines had to contribute something to it.
tim pool
Or they were just ignoring them.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Well, okay.
Fair enough.
tim pool
But, uh, I jokingly say, oh, Spiffy is close.
It's a 50 year old diner.
unidentified
Wow.
In D.C.
tim pool
That sucks.
So look, this is just one example of all the businesses that we've seen destroyed because of what's been going on in the economy.
And it's fascinating.
If you look at Civics, their polling, Democrats right now actually think the economy is good.
What?
seamus coughlin
Wait, how could you genuinely think the economy is good right now?
lydia smith
I'm confused.
seamus coughlin
I don't think it's fair to say necessarily that they're saying it's the best.
Yeah, there you go. Yeah, how could you think this economy's good?
tim pool
Let me see if I can Pull this up and I don't think it's fair to say necessarily
that they're like saying it's the best right now 36% of people in general think that the economy is fairly
good. Huh, but hold on hold on Let's do it by Democrat only.
58% of Democrats think the economy is doing good right now.
20% say fairly bad, 9% unsure, 7% say very good!
seamus coughlin
Well, because that's the kind of economy that they want.
Businesses are shutting down, people aren't able to provide services to the public, they're not able to keep their door open, but a bunch of people who aren't working are getting money from the government.
To them, that's a good economy.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
No, I think I have an answer to this.
If you switch to Republican, 40% say very bad, 38% say fairly bad, and 17% say fairly good.
Among independent voters, 33% say fairly bad, 29% say very bad, and 29% say fairly good.
I'll tell you what this is.
It's people who watch CNN.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
You're a Democrat and you're sitting there watching CNN with drool pouring out of your mouth like, and they're like, everything is great.
The economy's recovered.
seamus coughlin
And you're like, it's insanity.
It's insanity.
tim pool
Meanwhile, Republicans are like, my 401k is not doing so well.
seamus coughlin
I'm out of work right now.
Like, I might be out of work, and other people I know might be out of work, but the economy's doing well, because the media told me it is, and you know we're getting checks from the government right now, and that can last forever.
And we're going to keep being locked down, because variant after variant is going to pop up, and they're never going to let us go back to our jobs until we get this 7th and 8th and 9th dose of the vaccine.
But no, yeah, things are great.
The economy's doing fine.
It's on a rebound.
ian crossland
A direct, I think, result of the way that the public school teaches kids.
Zero about economics.
I mean, I learned about money, dimes, and nickels in first grade, and I think that was the last they ever taught me about economics until college.
I had to take an economics course.
tim pool
We had banking in my school.
ian crossland
We had minor stuff, but I didn't understand compound interest.
I didn't understand the way that works.
If you look at the numbers and you know compound interest, you can see that it's not good.
tim pool
We had, in second grade, they opened up bank accounts for kids.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
tim pool
Oh, awesome!
We also had mock presidential elections.
unidentified
That's great!
tim pool
But I think that might have been a polling thing, to see what the kids would say.
And so I remember being a little kid, and they had one of those old dot matrix computers, and they had everyone in a line, and they were like, pick who you want to be president.
And I was like, Ross Perot.
lydia smith
Ross Perot.
tim pool
No, I'm serious.
seamus coughlin
That's when Tim started being a contrarian.
Somebody had to put that in a hit piece.
tim pool
No, for real, for real.
I guess I vaguely remember this.
I'm probably getting it wrong, because I was probably like, I don't know how old I was, six or something, or seven.
And because what they were trying to do was to see what kids would say, and it showed what their parents were thinking.
And so, you know, my parents, I think, voted for Bill Clinton, but for some reason I was like, eh, I'm gonna ask my parents.
ian crossland
Yeah, I tried to get my dad to vote for Ross Perot.
It was like, ah, I want a guinea bird for Clinton.
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
Vote for Perot!
Vote for Perot!
I couldn't vote.
lydia smith
He's got those ears.
tim pool
But, um, the economy's on fire.
seamus coughlin
Yes, it is.
tim pool
And, uh, we're watching this controlled collapse of everything.
So we were just talking about this previously, but you combine this with abolition of police, defunding of police.
seamus coughlin
You combine this with Joe Biden defying the Supreme Court and just threatening people with jail for not, you know, Well, this is a consequence of having a system where the people who make all of the decisions will still have firearms from their private security when they ban your guns, will still have private security when they defund the police, will still be getting their paychecks from their corporate donors when they shut the economy down and your business gets destroyed.
They face absolutely no consequences for making decisions that ruin life for the average American.
tim pool
I think we are in a simulation.
ian crossland
Why's that?
tim pool
Because whoever's running it, they're like, uh, increase the difficulty.
Are they reacting?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Increase the difficulty again.
Did they start reacting?
No.
Okay, try and get up to 12.
How many?
unidentified
12?
ian crossland
Oh, jeez, they're still not doing anything.
tim pool
It feels like they're just slowly turning up the knob on the pressure and people are just like, okay with it.
unidentified
Like, no, turn the difficulty up, but tell them the economy is doing really good and see how many of them actually believe that.
tim pool
Well, that's part of the difficulty.
I mean, it's like propaganda, telling everyone's fine.
But they're saying things like staff shortages, food shortages, gas shortages, and it's becoming impossible to run your business.
ian crossland
Dude, what a bungling of this to give people unemployment that they will lose if they take their job back.
In a lot of countries, they would just They are creating an addiction to government.
people go for COVID, the government would pay the people that they had let go because
they were still working there.
And then when they were able to go back, they would just go back to the job.
They keep getting paid now by the job again.
tim pool
They're creating an addiction to government.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Now people, if they go back to work, they lose their government paycheck and government
insurance.
You know, it's unemployment insurance, which you get taxed on for some reason.
It's an insurance payout.
tim pool
You're getting the equivalent of 16 bucks an hour not to work, and you're looking at all these jobs and you're like, but even if I take it, I lose this.
I'm gonna ride this out.
ian crossland
Those people have to pay taxes on that unemployment, and I don't know if they're even planning for that.
I mean, how can you when you're living paycheck to paycheck?
tim pool
You know what I find remarkable is that we had Vosh on the show just, you know, two days ago.
He was in favor, he was like, I'm in favor of UBI.
And I'm like, have you not read the news, good sir?
Like, you know, with respect.
I'm glad he came on and had a good conversation, but I disagree with him.
Have you not read the news or watched what's going on because we're giving these people money?
And you hear this propaganda, the anti-work on Reddit.
You know what's funny?
Reddit's got a lot of lazy people, I'll tell you this.
unidentified
Not Reddit!
They're like, we shouldn't have to work!
tim pool
It's like, okay, invent replicators and I got no problem with that.
You can sit around and just say, the tea Earl Grey hot and then you're not gonna work.
But everything else requires work because of, I don't know, the second law of thermodynamics.
But anyway, we're in UBI.
This is it.
I said this.
I remember I was hanging out, when I was on Joe Rogan, he asked me like, what do you think about UBI?
And I was like, I think people wouldn't want to work.
And then you get these leftists saying like, oh, that's not true.
Actually, you know, you know, my favorite question is like, uh, Ian, I mean, no, no, no, I'm sorry, Seamus.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
How many people do you know play the guitar?
ian crossland
I'm gonna answer this one.
seamus coughlin
How many what?
tim pool
How many people do you know play the guitar?
seamus coughlin
Oh man, that's a good question.
I went to an art school, Tim.
So you're looking at a disproportionate sample here.
Let's say I know five people who play guitar.
tim pool
And how many of them are bad at guitar?
seamus coughlin
Oh man, I don't know.
I don't ask my friends to play for me.
I'm just like, I'm sure you're great!
I just don't even ask them.
How many do you think are like... Here's the thing, the only people I know who play guitar are people I know who play because I've been to their shows and stuff.
So they're decent.
They're good.
But I'm sure I know plenty of people who are bad at guitar.
tim pool
Most people know, like everybody plays some kind of instrument to some degree.
Not everybody, but like a lot of people.
And so most people will be like, oh, I know a few people who play the guitar and how many are bad.
I know a few of them are pretty bad.
Do you think the people who are bad would stop working and try to become famous musicians?
seamus coughlin
Oh, I could see it happening.
I know a number of them, especially when they're younger.
tim pool
I grew up in Chicago.
I knew tons of people who had well-off parents who were like, I'm going to make music.
And I'm like, bro, you're not good at this.
You're not going to be a celebrity doing this.
And that's the thing about UBI.
You give someone money to not produce.
So here's what it basically means.
You're giving someone money, which is access to extract from the system.
And then instead of putting anything meaningful back in, they make bad music.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
So this is interesting because you can take it a step further.
A lot of people want to have a YouTube channel or a Twitch channel.
They want to find some way to make money with social media.
And when you're starting, you can hit a point where maybe you're able to make a couple hundred dollars a month.
That doesn't necessarily mean you're cut out for the industry.
That doesn't mean this is going to be something that will turn into a full-time career.
But that UBI plus a couple hundred dollars a month from whatever you're doing on social media
could push you over the edge and actually be enough for you to live off of.
So it gives you an unrealistic idea of what your prospects are.
And social media is one example.
But there are all sort of arenas where you might be able to make a little bit of money
and that combined with the stipend you're getting from the government
could be enough to live off of.
But that's not where your labor is most productively used by the majority of people giving to
and receiving from the economy.
So you're actually doing a net disservice to the country overall and to the economy overall.
Exactly.
tim pool
So my view of this is like, okay, here's an option.
Easy access to grants for young people.
You turn 18, you can now go to the local grant center, which is very easy to go to, present your little pamphlet and be like, here's what I want to do, and then request a certain amount of money to engage in that project.
Because one of the issues that I hear a lot from the UBI crowd is, think about all the talented people.
Who are stuck working a crappy job because if they quit, they'd lose their apartment, they'd be homeless.
And I'm like, that's true!
There are a lot of young people of great talent.
I know, I know growing up, people who are insanely good at skateboarding.
And I was like, man, these guys gotta go pro.
Sorry, they didn't have the sponsors, they didn't have the means to film, and they had to work, otherwise they'd lose their job, or they'd lose their apartment.
And I was like, if this guy was just given a little bit of money so he could skate, we'd have great, another great pro.
So how about, instead of the worst of both worlds, we do the best of both worlds?
You gotta work to pay your bills, and at a certain age, you can say like, here's my plan, I'm a young person, and then get a grant.
And that's it, that's your chance!
seamus coughlin
It's complicated though, because you have to ask the question, even if there are many talented people in a particular field who don't have an opportunity to try to enter it.
You have to ask, how many people with that particular talent can the economy support?
So let's say everyone who's good at skateboarding is able to get this grant where they can become a professional skateboarder.
I mean, realistically, how many professional skateboarders can our economy support?
I don't think so.
tim pool
We're not offering an infinite or indefinite amount of money.
It's, here's a grant to run your business.
And they have to have a plan.
They come to you with a plan saying, I would like a grant for this particular project.
seamus coughlin
For sure.
I thought, so it sounded to me like the point that you were making was we'll tap into all sorts of talent we haven't gotten before.
But my concern is we'll give a lot of money to people and they'll end up with a lot of debt and they're not really going to end up contributing.
tim pool
Why would they end up in debt?
seamus coughlin
Well, because they don't end up successfully taking, oh, a grant.
I'm sorry.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
And I'm not talking about a hundred grand.
I'm talking about a few thousand dollars.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
So it's like they can take less, they can invest some money into something basically saying like, can we invest in young people instead of indebting young people and putting them in colleges that just grind them to the, to the, to dirt?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well, one of the weird things is, I'm not entirely sure how I feel about a grant, but it is very strange that, you know, any young person can go get a loan to go off to college even if the degree isn't going to pay off for them, and it's obvious based on the degree they're choosing, but if you go in with a really solid business plan at 18, the likelihood that you're going to get a loan is extremely low.
ian crossland
That's insane.
That's totally backwards.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I would agree.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
seamus coughlin
And so part of the reason that we have the tuition crisis that we have and the student debt crisis is because, this is not just my personal opinion, I think this is something that's borne out by all the most basic rules of economics, and if you need a citation, the National Bureau for Economic Research has said this is the case, but colleges respond to an increase in the availability of student loans by increasing tuition costs.
I mean, so Now we have absurdly expensive college costs because the government came in and said, hey, let's help people go to college.
Well, it turns out all they did was make it more difficult for people to go.
And I don't know if it was necessarily a plan on their part.
I don't think it was.
I just think they screw up whenever they try to help.
tim pool
And then you, I mean, college is basically indentured servitude.
Here's the money for your opportunity, and then you gotta pay it back, and then most people can't, and they get mad, and they demand communism, and then I gotta pay the bill for it!
seamus coughlin
Well, I think what's even more insidious is many of them can pay it back, I think even a majority, but the problem is the people who can pay it back... I mean, look, There is an economic hierarchy in terms of who is able to be accepted into college in the first place, so if you grew up in a rough neighborhood where you weren't able to get the kind of education that someone who went to a decent private school or a good public, a decent public school as far as public schools go, and the suburbs went to, you're going to be less likely to get into school, right?
So when we forgive student debt, oftentimes what it does is it redistributes wealth from working people who never had the opportunity to go to college and towards people who started out in the upper class and then went to college who are no longer being expected to pay off the debts, which they voluntarily encourage.
tim pool
I actually responded to a leftist with this on Twitter.
I thought I was going to get all these leftists screaming at me because they're like, No.
Exactly.
Somebody said something like, they said, it was a tweet about, you know, when you say
we shouldn't pay back someone's, you know, forgive student debt because you had to pay
it off, you're basically saying they should suffer because you did.
No.
And my response was, I just don't think it's right to make working class people pay off
the debts of the highest income earners in the country.
Exactly.
And people actually, that's a good point.
College degree, people with college degrees earn higher salaries on average than people
without them.
Why should working class people pay off the debts of the highest income earners?
We're funneling money to the top tier?
unidentified
No way, dude.
tim pool
Do the inverse.
How about we make the college students with their high incomes pay their fair share?
Pay your fair share!
seamus coughlin
Well, I mean, often those people end up going into the 1% and paying an absorbent amount in taxes, but... Well, the 1% is still 1% of people.
Or top 10%.
Well, again, even top 10%.
I mean, the higher income earners pay the majority of taxes.
tim pool
How about these people who took out student loans pay their fair share?
They got free money!
And now they want working poor people?
The proletariat?
To pay their bills off?
seamus coughlin
No, it's actually true!
tim pool
Pay your fair share, college debt holders!
I'll tell you what fair share is.
Fair share is, and to be fair, I'm not talking about exorbitant interest rates that compound the compound.
ian crossland
I think the interest is unfair.
tim pool
Yes, I agree.
My stance has always been, we can stop the interest rates and say, pay back your remaining principal.
That's your fair share.
But what they're saying right now is, Joe Biden could snap his fingers and erase all federal debt for college students.
Why doesn't he do it?
Because that would be you not paying your fair share, diluting the economy, and it would be an invisible tax on the working class.
So you got free money.
You got to spend it.
You pay your fair share.
Now, now, hold on.
I agree with you.
The interest rates are insane, wrong, and broken.
That we get rid of.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
Yeah.
No, I mean, it's insane that you could charge interest on a loan that's guaranteed.
I understand some small amount to hedge against inflation, but the idea of people... Right.
ian crossland
Like 1% over the lifetime.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Or, you know, something adequate to offset the value that will be lost through inflation, but not so much that you're able to profit off it.
The idea of like profiting off of a guaranteed loan to me is insane.
tim pool
Or even just like if you take out $10,000, you owe an extra $100.
Like, look, if we're trying to invest in young people to be better able and better capable, then I think we can give out straight loans with inflationary interest.
But at a certain point, you should be able to pay back just to the principal.
The interest rates are insane.
They compound, it gets higher.
I hear too many stories from people who are like, I took out $40,000 and now I owe $80,000.
seamus coughlin
That's completely insane.
That's completely insane.
tim pool
I think if you're out of work, it should just stop.
Like, I don't know, man.
The system's broken.
And I'll tell you this, before we even get into any of that stuff, I'm like, we need to re- I'm totally- You know what?
I'll tell you this.
Here's my compromise.
I will personally accept a greater amount of debt to be erased outside of interest if it also means we either seize the endowments from the universities, Or, and I mean that half-jokingly, or we outright end the college loan debt pipeline.
That whole thing has to stop.
seamus coughlin
Well, I mean, no, they absolutely have to stop federally guaranteeing student loans.
That's the only way it comes back.
Well, let me actually be clear.
There's going to be a bubble at some point, right?
The bubble's going to pop at some point, I should say.
We're already in a bubble.
This can't sustain itself forever.
But it's just clear that eventually they're going to have to stop federally subsidizing these loans, and it's certainly making the problem worse that they do subsidize them, so they have to stop.
It's going to pop either way, though.
tim pool
Let's circle back to the COVID lockdowns in this business and the economy, because we have this story that I find particularly interesting.
Now, in the previous segment, we were talking about a business.
that accrued $400,000 in fines over violating these COVID restrictions.
Now with the vaccine mandates that are popping up, well for the most with private businesses and now
in New York from a public place, we got this story from timcast.com.
Boston's Democrat mayor compares vaccine passports to papers required during
slavery and Jim Crow. Interesting.
That's bold. Democrat Boston Mayor Kim Janey has compared vaccine passports to the papers required.
Slavery and Jim Crow.
The first black person to serve as mayor of the city also compared vaccine passports to demands that former President Obama show his birth certificate during the birtherism scandal.
I mean, this is, this is, uh, I agree.
I'm, I'm, I...
I'm not going to pretend to know about these horrible things throughout history, but what I say I agree is that it is an overbearing demand from the state on regular people to implement these things to the extent that you can't go to a store, you can't go to a bar, you can't go to a music venue or something.
Now, in New York, I think you can go to stores still.
They're saying indoor activities.
But as far as I'm concerned, if you mandate a vaccine for one thing... Let's say they were like, you need a vaccine to go to the hot dog stand on 7th Street.
You've mandated vaccines.
It's over.
As far as I'm concerned, because you've hit at a core function for many people.
I don't care who or how many.
So when they say, if you want to go out to eat, you need to have your vaccine and vaccine card, New York has mandated vaccines, period.
There's no other reason to argue about it.
That's wrong.
We saw that with the Offspring drummer, I think Pete Prada's his name.
He's got Guillain-Barre syndrome.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
I think so, yeah.
And so he couldn't get it.
He couldn't get the vaccine.
And now he's kicked out of the band.
Is that what we're going to create?
We're going to create this medical segregation?
ian crossland
Is he actually kicked out of the band?
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
That's insanity.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
What?
tim pool
He went to the doctor.
He had a young age.
He developed Guillain-Barre syndrome, which is...
It's an extremely rare side effect for people when they get some vaccines, and it emerges for other reasons too, but it can be a side effect.
It is a side effect of the Johnson & Johnson vaccine, and there are many doctors who advise against getting the vaccine if you have this syndrome.
Which he did.
Out of the band.
You're gone.
It's insanity.
Don't we have violations of the Americans with Disabilities Act?
Can't we be like, if you're experiencing this and it's limiting to you, we protect you in that regard?
seamus coughlin
Well, I think at this point it becomes very clear that it's all about having you bend the knee if anyone was unaware.
If a person is disabled and has a very good medical reason for not getting vaccinated and your response is to kick them out because they haven't taken your preferred route for handling this situation, it's obvious that what you're interested in is submission.
tim pool
It's not about public health. Let me pull up the story we have from the Daily Mail.
More than half of unvaccinated Americans believe COVID-19 shots are more dangerous than the virus
itself, poll finds. Over half of unvaccinated Americans, 53%, believe that COVID-19 vaccines
pose a higher health risk than the virus itself. The view is especially prominent among Americans
who say they're definitely not getting the vaccine, with 75% believing the vaccine is more dangerous.
In fact, the virus is far more dangerous.
Out of 243,000 Americans who died of COVID since January 2021, only 1,300 have been unvaccinated.
Still, the Indian Delta variant is persuading some to get their shots, with 22% of unvaccinated respondents saying the variant was a vaccination motivator.
I don't know the full percentage numbers, but yeah, the virus is far more dangerous.
ian crossland
Well, you said died from COVID, right?
You read that phrase, from COVID?
tim pool
Died of COVID.
ian crossland
Of COVID.
How many people have died of COVID?
tim pool
Let's see, out of 243,000 Americans who have died since January 2021, only 1,300 have been unvaccinated.
Wait, what?
That's not correct.
only 1,300 have been unvaccinated.
ian crossland
So wait, what?
200.
tim pool
That's not correct.
ian crossland
I don't know these numbers, but they're saying that 230,000 people died of COVID.
I've seen reports that people had COVID in their system and died of a motorcycle accident or some other thing with COVID.
They died with COVID, not necessarily of COVID.
No, no, no.
tim pool
That's wrong.
That's wrong.
They wrote the story wrong.
They did it wrong.
Out of 243,000 COVID deaths, later on they fix it, only 1,300 have occurred in vaccinated Americans.
The top said have been unvaccinated, as if to imply the vaccine was more dangerous.
What?
So Daily Mail, get an editor.
ian crossland
I'm nervous when people say that we're in lockdowns because we're in shutdowns.
And I'm nervous when people say that people died of COVID when they died with a comorbidity with COVID.
tim pool
We're not in a shutdown right now, Ian.
ian crossland
Well, over the last year, in 2020, we had gone through periods of shutdown, and I heard people say, lockdown, lockdown.
They like that word, that buzzword.
tim pool
We did lockdown.
ian crossland
It's a lock, lock.
They want it to be bad.
tim pool
New York did lockdown.
ian crossland
But there were lots of instances of shutdown that people were calling lockdown.
Let's not make it worse than it seems.
We don't have to make it seem worse than it is.
unidentified
Wait, I don't understand.
ian crossland
Freight it's freight.
We're phrasing.
It's it's subtle little language twist that people do to control this narrative right now You're saying to tell people to accept that they're barred from leaving their homes or going to their jobs No, but I'm saying if that's a lockdown if there's if an area gets shut down Don't say that it's locked down by like lock and key.
Just it's just Oh businesses aren't open That doesn't mean you can't walk around outside.
So it's not a lockdown state, right?
Yeah, that's called apologizing for authoritarianism No, if we say that we have lockdowns and we keep saying it, then the government will put them into place and people will passively let it happen because they're used to hearing it.
tim pool
But we did have lockdowns.
ian crossland
We had shutdowns for the most part.
tim pool
No, we had lockdowns.
ian crossland
The United States.
We had maybe had a few instances of things being locked down, but for the most part, the United States was very leniently shut down as opposed to Australia.
Massively locked down.
tim pool
Like you're saying, where are you drawing the line?
ian crossland
Where the police don't let people go outside.
I mean, they're arresting people for walking around.
tim pool
That happened in the US.
ian crossland
Very, very rarely, though.
For the most part.
tim pool
But we had lockdowns.
ian crossland
There were some instances of it.
It was very rare.
And I argue it violates the Constitution of the United States.
tim pool
It's semantics.
It's shut down, locked down.
What's the difference?
ian crossland
Because if you tell people that we're locked down for all of 2020, then when they actually start locking it down, people will be used to it because they thought it was already happening.
tim pool
Well, I'll tell you this.
Look, man, obviously that Daily Mail story was wrong because it contradicted itself, which is why I always say, talk to your doctor about what's right for you.
You know, and there's another good reason too, because I got a feeling like whatever ends up happening in the long run, people are going to come back and they're going to be like, Tim said X or Y, and I'm not going to be the person who's going to be responsible for your health decisions.
So by all means, you could be in the comments right now saying, Tim is dumb.
I would appreciate it.
Great.
Because I don't want anybody putting the responsibility on me for your health decisions.
ian crossland
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Seamus you go talk to your doctor. That's I have a bunch a whole bunch for buddy
Conversations he was like I'm gonna do everything my doctor and I I had a hidden camera
When I was talking to Tim and I showed it to my doctor. I was like how much can we get from?
Seamus went to the vitamin and he's like you should have talked to your like talk to your lawyer about how much
unidentified
money Seamus went into the kitchen where we have all the vitamins
tim pool
and he just grabbed like is C a Multivitamin he's just chugging him and he's like it's
healthy Tim said so and I'm like So here's the interesting thing though they say that um
that half of people let me let me see exactly what they said
They said more than half of unvaccinated Americans believe that they're more dangerous than the virus itself.
seamus coughlin
Well, that makes sense.
tim pool
Well, no, so I want to pull up the story.
This is from UPMC, University of Pittsburgh and Carnegie Mellon University.
Researchers identify groups hesitant about COVID-19 vaccine.
This is the most fascinating to me.
The study says the largest decrease in hesitancy between January and May by education group was in those with a high school education or less.
Hesitancy held constant in the most educated group, those with a PhD.
By May, PhDs were the most hesitant group.
While vaccine hesitancy decreased across virtually all racial groups, black and Pacific Islanders
had the largest decreases, joining Hispanics and Asians at having lower vaccine hesitancy
than whites in May.
Why?
I have no answer for that.
ian crossland
Well, the data.
I mean, if you listen to, you know, Peak Prosperity, Chris Martinson, if you listen to Brett Weinstein and Pierre Corey... That's wrong.
They're scientists that just fish data, and the data speaks for itself.
tim pool
No, it literally doesn't.
We had Chris Martinson on the show, and with all due respect, he's a very smart man.
He's got a PhD in, I think, in toxicology, and when we talked with him, he said, here's 53 studies on ivermectin, and then I googled it and found a whole bunch more saying the exact opposite.
It doesn't speak for itself.
ian crossland
We'll have to go into it on the after show.
There's some studies that I've seen that have just been mind-blowing.
tim pool
Bro, we literally, I pulled up studies and there's studies that say these treatments do nothing.
And there are studies saying they do some things.
None of these treatments are FDA approved.
The point is the data does not speak for itself.
ian crossland
I disagree.
I think this is why PhDs are among the most hesitant is because it's data heavy.
It comes down to the data.
I mean, you got to look at what was polio doing to people.
It was crippling children.
The data was showing that people were, little kids were like losing their ability to walk permanently.
That's like screaming data.
We haven't seen that kind of data with this.
I mean, there's been a lot of illness.
tim pool
600 and what are we at?
ian crossland
620,000 dead?
That had died with COVID.
And when they phrase it of COVID, that's kind of a manipulation because a lot of it is comorbid and people have obesity and they die with like a heart failure, but they had COVID in their system.
So it gets logged.
tim pool
COVID is like the, he like, you know, COVID pulls the pin out and then the train goes off the rails.
You know what I mean?
So it's like people who may have survived with comorbidities don't when they get COVID.
ian crossland
It's tough to say.
That's a situation where you don't know what it would have been without it because it didn't have it.
tim pool
That's literally what the data is saying.
ian crossland
Well, you don't know if they hadn't gotten COVID what would have happened because they had gotten COVID.
tim pool
I hear from people all the time.
They're like, hey, I read this about this, that, or otherwise.
And I'm like, I'm going to read that.
And then I find conflicting information.
From like legitimate sources.
And I'm like, I can't draw an honest conclusion.
Go talk to your doctor.
Cause I, I, I, when Chris Martinson was here and he said 53 studies, I said, great, let's pull them up.
And I pulled them up.
I'm like, that's really fascinating.
And then I Googled other studies to see if there was a, you know, a contradiction.
Sure enough, I found like several, many.
And I'm like, I asked him, you know, these studies say the opposite.
And he goes, oh, well that study was bad.
And I'm like, how are you going to come to me and tell me this study is good.
This study is bad when they're both studies.
Okay.
I'm a layman.
And I can respect him because I think he's a smart guy and he knows more about it than I do.
And I can respect Brett Weinstein.
But then there are many other doctors that I see writing stories who don't appear overtly political who are saying the inverse.
ian crossland
I suppose it's just, I've seen Chris Martinson, Pierre Kory, Brett Weinstein.
Brett's not a doctor, not a virologist.
He's a biologist, but he's a very smart scientist.
You know, Pierre Kory is a virologist.
Is Chris Martinson a virologist?
tim pool
Yeah, but bro, what I'm telling you is, if you only watch one thing and then say, that must be true, the data doesn't speak for itself when you can pull up contradictory information.
ian crossland
Okay.
Maybe, maybe, yeah, you're right.
Data doesn't speak for itself, but I did get this from reputable sources.
That's the reason I'm...
tim pool
And I got contradictory information from reputable sources as well.
ian crossland
Which sources?
How can we go right now on this?
I remember touching on it, but I don't remember, like, who did these studies, who paid these people to do these studies.
tim pool
You see, that's the problem.
When people say, well, your organization is no good because of this, that, or what, but yeah, but your organization, I'm like, dude, that means literally nothing to me.
ian crossland
But the problem is some organizations will do studies specifically to derive a specific result.
tim pool
And then for political reasons, people make observations or determinations or trust.
Try my best to avoid doing that.
And so that's what, this is what guides most of my work, is that if I see some conservative guy come out and say that, you know, you gotta buy your gold, and then a Democrat guy comes out and says, you gotta buy silver, I'll be like, well we got two contradictory people giving contradictory advice.
Can I find source information to vet which one is better?
Hey, I looked it up, gold's worth more.
ian crossland
So when it comes to these studies, you see conflicting studies, do you just dismiss them all, or do you go deeper and try and figure out which studies are right, or which ones are more accurate?
tim pool
So the issue is, when you look at a study, what can you really determine about it?
There's a doctor named Dr. John Smith, or whatever his name is, and I'm like, okay, so I can look him up, and then I find a LinkedIn for a guy, and I'm like, okay, and I look up, here's his university, and then I find a Dr. Jane Doe, and I look her up, and I'm like, well, they both disagree with each other, I can't make a determination.
What am I supposed to tell people if there's conflicting information out there?
ian crossland
Same when they say, buy gold, buy silver, you have to kind of do some deep research to figure out which study is legit.
tim pool
There are people who want to believe one or the other, and they may have reason to, and I'm not saying they're wrong, I'm saying I haven't been able to find anything strong, and so therein lies the big issue.
It's why I don't definitively come out and say, you must do X or Y. I say, talk to someone you trust in the medical field because When we have, when I see these things, you know, when I talk to these, like Chris Martinson, he's on the show twice now, I'm like, I, you know, I pulled up a study that he said was positive for alternate treatments, and then I googled the study and found another paper that said the methodology was flawed.
It was not a good study because of these reasons.
Then I pulled up a study saying these alternative treatments were ineffective, and he said to me, oh, but those studies are flawed, because they're, you know, and I'm like, okay, dude.
ian crossland
With all due respect.
Those things are ineffective because we never tested them for efficacy.
tim pool
They'll do that sometimes.
I'm saying we sat here, we have the episode, it's on TimCast.com, where I was like, I can pull up something saying literally what you just said in the other direction.
ian crossland
They would say that about aspartame.
They'd say, there's no evidence aspartame has any links to cancer because we never studied aspartame.
That's medical logic sometimes.
tim pool
to what we're talking about.
ian crossland
That's medical logic sometimes, study logic.
tim pool
I'm talking about fact finding and determining, you know, to the best of our abilities, truth.
And you can argue that you trust or don't trust a particular political faction or those
who advocate in a certain direction.
I don't think that's good enough.
I want proof.
Now there's a good reason, I think, not to trust the media, but we have a big issue now
when the CDC comes out and says, here's a list of things, and I'm like, OK, well, I
do have a personal bias against government for a lot of reasons, but if I can't disprove
That puts me in a difficult position.
ian crossland
So why do you think that it's mostly PhD people that are- That's why I said I have no answer for that.
seamus coughlin
It's hard to know also, because you don't know what their PhDs are in.
tim pool
Right.
It could be, it could be, like, I think, who said this before?
Was it you?
You were saying, like, it could be, like, feminist dance class?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I was gonna say, it could be, like, a PhD in lesbian poetry.
I have no idea.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So we have no idea.
That's why I say it's interesting.
But I'm seeing a lot of people highlight that as if that's evidence of something.
And I'm like, it's just a group of people.
Maybe they're activists who hate Donald Trump because they're in universities.
ian crossland
And how many people was polled here?
It was like 2,000 people?
unidentified
Or was it 180,000?
seamus coughlin
Do this is data from people who are saying that they were already against of getting the vaccine.
It's probably I mean, it could very well just be the case that if someone has a PhD, their opinion was more likely to be backed up with statistics again, whether they're ones you would agree with or disagree with in the first place.
And so that locks them into it more firmly.
tim pool
Or they're more likely to be stodgy and stubborn, thinking they're smarter than everybody.
seamus coughlin
Yes, exactly.
And I think that plays into it as well.
I'm a doctor, you can't change my mind.
And that's exactly part of why I said statistics, whether you would agree with them or disagree with them.
I think people with PhDs, people whose brains work more quickly, are more conventionally intelligent, tend to be a bit more prideful, and they're also better at convincing themselves of things.
tim pool
Here's what I'm saying.
seamus coughlin
To me, a PhD is just a Twitter checkmark in real life.
I don't really trust it all that much.
tim pool
Here's what I'm saying.
All the information we present, you can take into consideration however you see fit.
But if I can't make a determination, I'm not going to make one.
I need sources before I come out and say something.
I get things wrong every so often, or jump the gun.
It happens.
I'm far from perfect.
But I try to avoid things if I can't prove it.
lydia smith
Your point about studies is interesting, because I feel like they do this every other month with dietary stuff.
Fats are bad.
Fats are good.
Use this oil.
Don't use this oil.
This is going to kill you.
You're going to get cancer from coffee.
Coffee is good for your heart.
Coffee cures depression for women.
What am I supposed to think?
So I think that, in the end, really boils down to one, individual rights, and two, common sense.
And like, I don't even know what to tell you.
It's not like a whole read the studies thing, because you're not going to understand all of it.
tim pool
Talk to your doctor.
Talk to your lawyer.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And you know who you should, which doctor I don't think you should talk to, is Dr.
unidentified
Dr. Fauci!
tim pool
We got this story from Reuters.
U.S.
plans to give extra COVID-19 shots to at-risk Americans, Fauci says.
That is the third shot for people who are in at-risk groups.
If you are immunocompromised, people like cancer survivors, those are HIV positive.
They are saying that they are trying to rush through approval for your third shot.
Now, over in Israel, We have this from Voice of America.
after another COVID spike, Israel launches third vaccine dose.
They say Israel has become the first country to distribute a third dose of the COVID vaccine,
offering the extra jab to anyone over 60.
Israeli health experts say the effectiveness of the current vaccine declines with time,
and the third shot will serve as a booster.
The move comes as virus rates in Israel are on the increase.
Now, this is a crazy viral video, which they say is a report from Israel's Channel 13,
where they say in this Twitter, which I've not confirmed the translation,
that the hospitalization rates are overwhelmingly those who have been vaccinated.
Israel is saying we are not finding this to be effective.
Now, I don't know if that's true.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well, and also we have to know what percentage of the population is vaccinated, too, because if an overwhelming majority of the population is vaccinated and an overwhelming, you know, majority are in the hospital and it's proportional, then we could say, well, it doesn't seem to be working in this instance.
But if a majority are in the hospitals, whereas an overwhelming majority is vaccinated, then it seems it would be working to some extent, or you could make that argument.
So we don't really know.
tim pool
They say an Israeli study showed effectiveness of the COVID vaccine declined from 95% to 80% or even less against the Delta variant.
Neither the U.S.
nor the EU has yet recommended a third shot, but most Israeli doctors say they do not believe it will do any harm.
Now, we had a story we pulled up the other day from TimCast.com that shows I think it was like Pfizer and AstraZeneca to be like 92 and 96% effective against the Delta variant.
So all I can do is tell you this.
Talk to your doctor.
Cause I don't, you know, I know for those on the live show, like right now it's more repetitive, but in the segments, like, you know, so we have to say it.
Um, cause I don't, I don't know what this means.
I really, really don't.
Israel is making a lot of claims that a lot of people in the U S are shocked to hear and, and, and don't know if they want to believe, to be completely honest, that there, that, you know, what Israel is saying about the effectiveness.
So here, here's why I bring this up.
Not only is that happening, but the World Health Organization is calling for a temporary moratorium on vaccine booster shots because they want to prioritize global distribution of the vaccine to poorer nations.
Okay, so I have no idea, I can tell you this, it sounds like humans run around, like these organizations are like chickens with their head cut off.
Is that true, though?
Do you cut a chicken's head off?
It runs around?
lydia smith
Yes.
seamus coughlin
I'm not sure.
I mean, you're the one with chickens, Tim.
I'm not cutting their heads off.
tim pool
No.
seamus coughlin
He just doesn't want to admit it on stream, because you know, Petey's going to get it.
lydia smith
That's true.
My family raised chickens.
seamus coughlin
He'll get canceled.
lydia smith
Really?
Yeah, yeah.
It's true, though.
Don't get canceled.
My family raised chickens, and yes, this is a thing that actually happens.
seamus coughlin
They cut what they run around.
Their heads are cut off.
unidentified
Yeah, it's a reflex.
Wow.
seamus coughlin
I never questioned that.
lydia smith
No, of course not.
seamus coughlin
Nor should you.
Creepy.
Yeah, I'm curious.
I am curious what percentage of the population in Israel is vaccinated.
What percentage of new cases did they say were vaccinated people?
tim pool
Well, there's this tweet, and I don't speak Hebrew, so I can't really confirm that anyway.
But people are claiming that, as a doctor says, it's like the overwhelming majority of the COVID patients in the hospitals have been vaccinated.
seamus coughlin
That is fascinating, yeah.
tim pool
But again, I can't confirm any of that stuff.
All I know is that Fauci is rushing out a third shot here in America for people who are immunocompromised.
the eviction moratorium was illegally, a new one was illegally put in place,
and the unemployment checks are going out. So it smells like lockdown, I guess. You know,
they say if it walks like a lockdown, you know, acts like a lockdown and sounds like a lockdown,
then it's probably a lockdown, right? Yeah, exactly.
seamus coughlin
I'm hearing from Reuters, their numbers say that the number of doses in Israel administered has been 11 million.
And so if that's at two doses per person, that's 63.2% of the country being vaccinated.
tim pool
It's a little bit higher than the U.S.
I think the U.S.' 's rate was like, what, 49% or something like that?
seamus coughlin
The United States' rate of vaccinations?
Well, I have some data here saying that they asked adults and they found that 7 in 10 adults said they have already gotten it or are getting it as soon as possible.
So something like 67% have already gotten it and 3 more percent say they're going to get it as soon as possible.
tim pool
Australia is like 18%.
Why is that?
seamus coughlin
They've gotten vaccinated?
tim pool
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
I think they just don't trust their government.
I guess.
I think Australia's population is much more spread out.
tim pool
I think maybe if your government is not treating you very well, then you're probably not gonna be too happy.
Okay, no, it's higher right now.
seamus coughlin
Okay.
tim pool
Oh, no, no, no.
Yeah, fully vaccinated.
unidentified
16%!
tim pool
Whoa!
Wow, that's low!
unidentified
Yikes.
seamus coughlin
Wow.
tim pool
At least one dose is 34.2%.
seamus coughlin
Wow.
lydia smith
That's so bad.
ian crossland
Where?
tim pool
In Australia.
ian crossland
So that's of the population?
tim pool
Yeah, of the population.
16.3% are fully vaccinated.
ian crossland
Wow, that's really, really low.
lydia smith
It's abysmal.
Wow, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Why is that?
That's like the most heavily cracked down country on Earth right now.
tim pool
That's probably why.
seamus coughlin
It could be because it's heavily cracked down upon it.
I also think it's the population density.
Uh, it is really, uh, it's, it's something like sparsely populated.
So the numbers I have here are three people per squared kilometer.
And in the United States, the average population density is 94 people.
tim pool
Um, yeah, but they've got cities, dude.
seamus coughlin
No, I'm not saying they don't, but I don't, I think that more of their population lives in rural areas.
Yeah.
It's tough to say it's, it's actually, it's tough to say based on average numbers, but I think their population is more spread out than ours is.
tim pool
Their population is what, like 25 million or something?
lydia smith
It's that many, yeah.
tim pool
So we have 10 times.
So they have big cities, you know?
And they've got military deployed to enforce the lockdowns.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I'm not saying they don't have big cities, but I'm saying overall they're less densely populated, which means there are more people who live further away from other people who contact them often.
You don't think Australia's average population is less dense than the United States?
tim pool
Australia is as big as the U.S., with a tenth of the population.
So it's not that they're living further away from each other.
It's that there's a big, open, outback of desert nothing in the middle of the continent.
seamus coughlin
What was U.S.
ian crossland
population density?
How many people?
seamus coughlin
370 million?
ian crossland
No, density, density.
seamus coughlin
Oh, the population density?
94 people per square meter.
ian crossland
And Australia was like 9?
seamus coughlin
Oh, actually Australia is 3.
So the United States' information I just gave you is miles, so if you look in kilometers, it's 36 people per kilometer squared, whereas in Australia it's 3 people.
tim pool
10 times the population, 10 times the density.
So why is the vaccine rate in Australia 16%?
Did you pull up the vaccination rate for the US?
seamus coughlin
I had some numbers pulled up from earlier and it said, again, about 70% of people have already gotten it or are getting it as soon as possible.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, no.
It's 50.4% of people in the United States are fully vaccinated.
165 million people.
At least one dose is 58.7%.
Australia, 16.3%.
I think when you crack down, when you start arresting people for not wearing masks and you deploy military, people are not going to trust you.
ian crossland
It would make me less likely.
seamus coughlin
I'm also curious what Australia is like culturally, too.
I wonder if they're as divided as the United States is, or if there's a more unified front in terms of the skepticism that they have towards government mandates.
tim pool
Well, authoritarianism, this is why it doesn't work, because you lose the faith and the confidence of the people.
And so we were having this conversation, I think it was, I don't know if it was with Wash and Charlie in the bonus segment or something about, like, authoritarianism is effective in that you can mandate things really, really quickly, and that's technically true, the problem is it derails itself, it falls apart, because if you don't have confidence of the people, the system can't be supported.
The government is an imaginary construct of people's confidence.
Like, why is a dollar valuable?
If you showed a dollar to an alien, they'd be like, I don't need this, what am I gonna do with it?
Now, gold, they might understand, like, ah, you know, a conductor, I can do something with this.
Money, they're gonna be like, sure, I don't know, you like this stuff?
seamus coughlin
They might think it's a really cool picture.
tim pool
Yeah, like, oh, it's a picture and they put it on the wall and they tape it.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
ian crossland
But it's not functional.
There's different kinds of authoritarianism, too.
There's the authority of one man, which is like totalitarian, you know, dictatorship.
And then there's the authority of a constitution, like a written document.
And that's also a form of authoritarianism?
tim pool
No, it isn't.
ian crossland
It's really not, but it is a form of authority.
So they basically... Not all authority is authoritarianism.
tim pool
Right, the Founding Fathers... Authoritarianism is generally used as a... Yeah, the Founding Fathers... I would like to explain to you what authority is.
ian crossland
Go for it.
tim pool
When a police officer in New York says, you can't stand there, that's a frozen zone, which is what they do, that is not, that is authoritarianism.
That is them just arbitrarily deciding, I can do this.
You want to know what real authority is?
Seamus drops to the ground, and there's blood spraying everywhere, and a doctor looks you in the eye and says, put your hands on his neck right now.
What would you say?
Absolutely.
ian crossland
I would just do it.
tim pool
Exactly.
If you were out on the street and you saw somebody hurt and there was a guy and he was like, I'm a doctor, you, come here now, put your hands here, you would not think twice because you know that's what real authority is.
But if there was some crackpot guy in a rickshaw and he had people pulling him and he was like, you there, come here and kneel so I can walk on your back and leave my rickshaw, you'd be like, get out of here, that's insane.
And then if he threatened you with a weapon to make you do it, authoritarian.
ian crossland
I think that the reason I brought up the Founding Fathers again is because they established like a, I don't know, two decades of massive authoritarianism in order to install a constitution that they could step back from and release their authority.
tim pool
What do you mean by that?
ian crossland
Like they were like George Washington and ultimate authority over the land.
They would have made him king.
He could have become a monarch and big.
tim pool
That doesn't mean authoritarianism, though.
ian crossland
But they functioned authoritatively to build the Constitution, to seize the military.
Washington was getting his troops vaccinated against their will, you know, like pure on martial law authoritarian crackdown to win the Revolutionary War.
tim pool
That's war.
ian crossland
And then instead of one guy maintaining authoritarianism being like, and now this is legal, but now it's not.
And now that's the new thing.
We just built a set of laws that could take over for us.
tim pool
The fact that they gave up power and enacted a constitution shows it was never authoritarian.
It was just, it was just war.
ian crossland
I think you can use authoritarianism for good.
They seem to have.
tim pool
I don't think it was authoritarianism.
I don't think that falls in line with it.
It was, hey, we want freedom.
Oh no, they're attacking us.
Quick, everyone come together.
Here's what we have to do to survive.
Like, if the house started burning down and I grabbed you and dragged you out of the house, is that authoritarianism?
ian crossland
Technically.
seamus coughlin
No, come on, man.
ian crossland
I mean, if it hit the fan and you had to, like, take control of everything.
unidentified
Ian's passed out from smoke inhalation, but he hasn't chosen to leave, so I'm leaving here.
seamus coughlin
I'm not an authoritarian.
I'm leaving him in the building.
tim pool
It's Ian's freedom to sleep.
seamus coughlin
I mean, it's interesting.
So the word authority and the word author come from the same place, which is creator.
Someone creates something, they have authority over it.
Or if they have given you, they've delegated the authority over their creation to another person, then that person has authority over it.
And of course, it comes ultimately from God creating the universe, delegating authority to specific civil authorities.
But a belief in authority is not the same as a belief that Unbridled authoritarianism is acceptable.
ian crossland
Yeah, when you think of unbridled authoritarianism, do you think of it as like dictatorial?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, so I would say usurpation.
Anytime an authority structure absorbs the role of a smaller, more vulnerable authority structure when it doesn't have to do so, I would call that authoritarianism.
So basically anytime subsidiarity is violated.
So I believe that there are all sorts of authority structures across humanity.
So you have the family structure, which is an authority structure.
You have the father at the head of the household.
And then you also have local governments, state governments, a national government.
And if one higher authority, quote-unquote higher authority, in that hierarchy comes down and takes a role which is proper to one of the lower authorities, so for example if the state starts to interfere with family life in ways that are proper to a father, I believe that's authoritarianism because somebody is taking the rightful authority away from one and giving authority which is not due to another to them.
ian crossland
It's interesting that you said, when they have to, only if they don't have to.
And you gotta define, what does that mean if someone feels like they have to step in and take the authority?
Like, would a virus make someone think that?
tim pool
I can explain to authoritarianism and libertarianism, somewhat, with a great way.
So, the Democrats right now believe the economy's going good.
Why?
Because the authority told them.
And they have strict adherence to the authority, which says, this is what you must do.
They say, okay, the economy is good.
Yes, sir.
Trump supporters were told by Trump to get the vaccine, and they said, no!
That's not authoritarianism!
ian crossland
Yeah, we live in kind of a self-authored society.
The Constitution is supposedly self-authored by us, we the people.
tim pool
We're a freedom-loving people, and we are losing that freedom.
ian crossland
What interests me is that they seized authoritarian dictatorship for a short period of time in order to create a self-authored society.
seamus coughlin
It's war.
tim pool
And plus, people could have just fled, I guess.
There'd have been cowards, and I don't know.
Off to England, yeah.
It was a lot harder back then, I suppose, but they were loyalists.
They were people who said no to the revolution.
ian crossland
That made me think of, if we hadn't had, was it South Carolina, the slave states, if they hadn't joined us?
Not only would they just not have been in there fighting, they would have been all loyalists.
tim pool
You know what would have been really funny, though, is that they would have had to abolish slavery sooner if they remained with the crown.
But this is really interesting, actually, in that regard, because I talked about this, because a lot of people have said, if America never declared independence, slavery would have ended 20 years earlier.
And I'm like, I'm not sure that's true.
seamus coughlin
I'm not sure that's true at all.
tim pool
Imagine the crown of Britain said, we're mandating in 1833 the end of slavery, the southern states would have declared independence.
ian crossland
But the whole British ending slavery thing is kind of a fallacy because they did what was called enclosure.
I was just watching it there on Kings and Generals YouTube channel about this yesterday.
Enclosure is basically where the lords of the land seized the land from all the civilians.
99.98% of British land is owned by like 0.01% of the population.
Since like the 1600s, since they started enclosure.
seamus coughlin
Well and also if the United States was still under British rule,
the economic and political incentives would be entirely different from the Crown
from what they were when England wasn't overseeing the United States and decided to end slavery.
So I don't think you could say that if we stayed with the Crown, slavery would have ended sooner.
I don't think you could possibly know that.
ian crossland
Like they might have let it roll in the Americas because it was making them so much money.
Yeah, they would just colonize.
seamus coughlin
Or because they feared some kind of revolt, right?
Because the southern states seceded and revolted.
So I have no reason to believe that the British government wouldn't have the foresight to say, oh, that will probably happen or could happen.
So to me, it's not something you could possibly.
ian crossland
I love my English homies, man, but the British government terrifies me.
A monarchy in today's age.
seamus coughlin
Our government scares me a lot more.
ian crossland
But I mean, you see, Britain, like, the Commonwealth is struggling.
Canada and Australia are getting messed up right now by authority.
And then they got the God King at the top.
It's crazy.
tim pool
Yeah, but it's not like the crown actually does anything.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, it's a ceremonial.
ian crossland
It's all behind it.
They own land is what they do.
They basically control everything through ownership.
seamus coughlin
We got, we have that in the United States too, bro.
ian crossland
Kind of, but you can have, there's a lot of private property in the US.
tim pool
Isn't Trinity Church, Trinity in like New York, one of the largest landowners?
seamus coughlin
No, I didn't know that.
lydia smith
Bureau of Land Management is.
tim pool
In the Vatican.
lydia smith
In China.
tim pool
Yeah, they own a lot of land.
That's how you do it, I guess.
You own the land like Ray Kroc.
ian crossland
They're like, we're not doing anything.
We just own the land.
Yeah, come on.
tim pool
Own the land under the McDonald's.
ian crossland
That's an active process to own land.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What's your hold for us?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I don't know.
It's interesting.
ian crossland
Living till we're 700 and, like, real healthy and stuff.
seamus coughlin
Live till 700 and be real healthy?
Well, once you get the 5,000th jab, you might make it.
tim pool
Yeah, you're gonna make it.
unidentified
5,000.
tim pool
Well, look, to be fair, they've been saying since the beginning they were expecting to be, like, a yearly thing.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Like a flu shot.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, they've said that they think this is going to be, like, a seasonal flu.
tim pool
The issue is they didn't force me to get the flu shot, you know?
Like, you walk into Walgreens and they're like, would you like to?
And it's like, you know, maybe, I guess.
I went to the doctor once.
I told the story like, you know, he gave me like four or five shots or whatever.
ian crossland
Yeah, all at once.
seamus coughlin
There's an entirely different culture around it.
People don't shame you for not getting the flu shot.
ian crossland
I know people that would get the flu shot and then get the flu because their immune systems would be so beat up by the shot that then they wouldn't be eating healthy and then they'd end up getting sick anyway.
lydia smith
So the problem with the flu shot is that we develop it in conjunction with Australia because their flu season is ahead of ours.
Sometimes they have a different strain of the flu than we have.
So by the time the flu shot comes here and we're using it, we're like, oh, this will work for our strain, right?
Sometimes, sometimes not.
Like there was one year I remember at the hospital, they gave us all the shot.
It was great.
It was wonderful.
Tons of people still got the flu.
It was something like 30% effective because the Australian strain just wasn't very much like the American strain.
seamus coughlin
I remember reading a while ago, this was before COVID, this is before anyone was really talking about this, before there was any seeming controversy over vaccines as far as I could tell, but I remember reading that flu vaccines were becoming less effective on a yearly basis and it was a serious problem that had to be dealt with.
I think the discourse surrounding vaccines has clearly moved on to other issues, if that is the case.
tim pool
The challenge is, I think, one of the reasons you see these stories where people think the vaccine is more dangerous is because of the authoritarianism of the media and the left, the overstate, the cathedral, whatever you want to call it.
seamus coughlin
When the people who always lie to you tell you something's good, you're not going to believe them.
tim pool
And they've discredited themselves over the past few years, like Russiagate is, you know.
You know what, for everybody who's listening, if you ever get somebody who's like, you know, oh, you believe that stuff, be like, Russia.
Sorry, like, you lost all credibility with the New York Times, the Washington Post, and CNN, and all these, MSNBC were screaming Russia for years, and it was all bunk.
You lost me, dude.
unidentified
Sorry.
seamus coughlin
And also, like, there is precedent for them lying and moving the goalposts.
About this as well, this very situation.
Two weeks to slow the spread.
Oh, the idea is we just want people locked down so that the hospitals don't get overwhelmed with new patients.
And then everyone forgot about that.
Yeah, everyone forgot about that.
That's weird.
It was two weeks to slow the spread and the whole point was 15 days.
15 days, I'm sorry.
So a day over two weeks to slow the spread.
Because we didn't want hospitals to get overwhelmed.
And what happened?
ian crossland
They didn't get overwhelmed.
seamus coughlin
Exactly, but did we stop at two weeks?
So we've already been lied to about this and the narrative has changed
Even if you don't want to say we were lied to the narrative clearly changed
The goalpost has moved so people have no reason to believe it's not gonna move if they go and get the vaccine or do
whatever Else they're being told to do
This is the idea that these people would scold you and talk down to you for not taking their word for it after they've
repeatedly Misrepresented what the future would be if we were to take
their word for it is ridiculous The lack of self-awareness is astounding even for them.
unidentified
This is why I always say Talk to you later.
The droplets?
ian crossland
The droplets!
tim pool
I say, because, because, listen, listen, I don't, I don't, I don't care the politics.
There are people who make money off of shock content.
Be it somebody who was like in a hospital bed going, I wish I got the vaccine!
Or somebody being like, my legs don't work.
It's like, the people are going to find the stories that get the clicks.
And that's why you need to find someone you trust who's done the research.
And there are people who tell me that they don't trust their doctors.
I'm like, then you need a good doctor, dude.
ian crossland
Lots of doctors.
It's okay to travel from doctor to doctor.
They call them second opinions.
seamus coughlin
Get a second opinion, exactly.
ian crossland
This is the age of, like, multiple opinions.
Get lots and lots of doctors' opinions.
tim pool
Well, just make sure that you trust they've done their research, that they're qualified.
Because it's insane to me that anyone would think that I'm implying you go to a quack doctor in an alley.
Like, no!
I'm saying you go to someone and you ask them questions, say, here's what I saw, what do you think?
And here's what I said earlier, like, if you see a story, show them!
Yeah.
See what they think.
seamus coughlin
These are the questions you've got to ask.
Exactly, exactly.
Because if there's nothing to it, then your doctor should generally be able to explain to you, well, sometimes these things happen, or whatever it is.
But the statistics I've seen in my research shows that it is safe if it is, right?
tim pool
Let me add.
The doctor I had in my neighborhood, we knew our doctor.
seamus coughlin
Yes, that's huge.
I was about to bring that up, actually.
It's not just talking to your doctor.
It's not just talking to a doctor who you've known or have had, because maybe you don't have a doctor who you go to primarily.
It is really helpful to just have friends who are doctors.
unidentified
Or like a wife who's a doctor, folks.
seamus coughlin
But if you have friends who are doctors who you genuinely trust, who you aren't necessarily seeing, you can still talk with about this stuff.
tim pool
Let's go to Super Chats.
seamus coughlin
All right.
tim pool
Smash that like button.
Go to TimCast.com.
We'll have a bonus.
seamus coughlin
Hit us with the superchats!
tim pool
There will be a bonus segment at TimCast.com coming up around 11 or so p.m.
So make sure you're a member there for all the good fun where we get spicy.
But for now, just smash that like button.
Let's read some superchats.
Jim Gochian says, screwing landlords over is on purpose.
Blackrock can afford the losses but mom-and-pop landlords can't and must sell or get foreclosed on.
Great reset.
seamus coughlin
Well, yeah, I mean, whether it's intentional, that is certainly bound to be one of the long-term consequences here.
tim pool
Miso Trash says, happy birthday, Lids!
lydia smith
Thank you!
I appreciate that.
tim pool
Shaul Kramer says, hey Tim Kastim, Seamus, have you seen Tolstoy's Christian anarchist argument?
What do you think of the Prophet Samuel's warning against government?
seamus coughlin
Um, yeah, so I'm definitely not an anarchist.
And if I'm not mistaken, what they're referring to with the prophet Samuel is when the people asked for a king.
And there are certainly arguments, and there are certainly warnings that people should heed about the state and the overstepping of authority.
But as I mentioned earlier, authority comes, by definition, from what the word means, from the author, from the creator.
And the ultimate author of things is God.
So as Christians, what we believe, and I should say as Catholics more specifically, is there are rightly ordered authority structures, including civil authorities, because scripture also says that the king does not wield the sword in vain, render unto Caesar, etc.
So as Christians, we do believe that there should be some obedience to civil authorities, as long as they're not asking you to do anything which is contrary to the faith or reason.
Matthew Hammond says- And let me be clear, by faith or reason, I'm saying it with respect to like a well-formed conscience, because it's a very slippery slope to say, well, I don't agree with these reasons.
tim pool
Matthew Hammond says, when are we going to get a Freedom Tunes movie?
seamus coughlin
Oh my goodness, I would love to do something like that.
I would need to figure out the funding.
What I'm trying to do right now is get Freedom Tunes to be a more well-oiled machine so I can take on some more of these projects.
So I've mentioned before we work on other projects, I have other clients, but I really want to get Freedom Tunes specifically to be more steady so I can step away and do some of these expansionist things like Uh, a film or television show or something like that.
So, one thing we need in order to do that isn't just the crowdfunding, patreon.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.com.
I'll figure out.
I'm trying to well.
I'm not sure where to have actually because I don't have yeah, I mean just tweet at me That's right at Seamus Coghlan.
It's what actually my DMS are open at Seamus underscore Coghlan Just if you or anyone you know is an animator Please reach out because we're looking to hire more people so that we can do those kinds of projects I want to see people that have mastered Seamus's art form.
ian crossland
I was thinking this a couple nights ago, like, oh yeah, I bet people are like just really good at drawing your art.
Exactly.
And you could hire them.
tim pool
The last video you did fixing leftist memes was great.
seamus coughlin
Thank you so much.
tim pool
I love the one where you had the mug and it's like, but I tweeted it.
It said, don't confuse your Google search with my medical degree.
And then you changed it to my DuckDuckGo search and then changed it to don't confuse your Google search with my Google search.
That was the best one because that's literally what it is.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's what it is 90% of the time.
Go watch that video, actually.
There's more to it.
I won't spoil the joke.
ian crossland
Some people have crazy arms like this sometimes on your cartoon.
Can you have them doing that while their arms are at their sides sometimes?
unidentified
Just for you!
tim pool
Kendall Heard says, Last year Adam said happy birthday to me.
Can I get another happy birthday from the TimCast crew?
unidentified
Happy birthday!
seamus coughlin
It's your birthday too!
tim pool
Happy birthday, buddy.
XRunner says, leftists make a great argument for anarcho-capitalism.
seamus coughlin
Uh-huh.
tim pool
That's right.
All right, let's see.
Jake Mahaney says, can you guys improvise a Fauci v. Trump skit live, please?
Also, happy birthday, Lydia.
seamus coughlin
We definitely improvised a Trump v. Fauci skit, and we will definitely be improvising more skits.
tim pool
Yeah, so the Mordor one from, what was it, like last week?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that I released last week, but we did that a while ago.
tim pool
But it was because I did a Joe Biden in Mordor as a joke.
seamus coughlin
We can't even get into that, because that's going to be a really good video.
We can't spoil that.
No, I think you started with Fauci, where you're like, CAST IT INTO THE FLAMES!
unidentified
And I don't know, dude, I was dying, and then we're like, alright!
seamus coughlin
We're like, we have to make this a video.
tim pool
Yeah, just Fauci as Elrond.
That's so good.
unidentified
DO IT, TRUMP!
tim pool
CAST IT INTO THE WUHAN WET MARKET!
seamus coughlin
Such an incredible trilogy.
tim pool
Alright, let's see.
Okay, Spare Climber says, hey Tim, my girlfriend is a nurse at Banner.
unidentified
Oh, I know Banner.
tim pool
And is quitting over the vax mandate.
Could you look into the situation here in AZ at all?
Thanks, absolutely love the show guys.
lydia smith
My girlfriend's a nurse, okay folks.
I know Banner helps.
My girlfriend's a nurse, alright.
Close.
tim pool
Let's see.
Call for President says, the show isn't showing up in YouTube under the TimCast channel.
Pretty sure that's why there's so few viewers.
Happy birthday, Lydia.
Keep searching.
Expanding earth, Ian.
Interesting.
I don't know about that.
Did you see it on the TimCast channel?
ian crossland
I didn't see it until two minutes before we went live.
tim pool
And it was up for like 10 minutes?
Yeah, but see what they do is they don't show it to certain people.
ian crossland
I definitely do see it on the But so like... If they don't have their vaccine passport, if they haven't verified that they're vaccinated, YouTube won't show it to them.
Go through a bunch of TimCast videos and click like on a bunch of them and the YouTube algorithm will start sorting it to the top of your thing.
tim pool
Peter Gunn says, I just watched a video from Greg Foreman showing the Young Turks and Daily Beast trying to smear you.
It was pathetic.
You're getting big, man.
Keep it up.
Yeah, these things happen.
seamus coughlin
It was hilarious.
tim pool
I love it when people are like, I'm going to try and find everyone who hates you to say bad things about you.
And it's like... People don't like you.
seamus coughlin
It read like satire.
unidentified
It was crazy.
seamus coughlin
It was really bad.
I was reading the article.
I was like, what is this?
It's like too over the top.
tim pool
I had a lot of people say that it was just like hard to read because it was so long.
seamus coughlin
It was really long.
No, I, so I was like jumping around in it.
I definitely, it was very long and it was all the same garbage, but there were a few lines in there, man, that I saw that just stuck out to me that I thought were hilarious.
tim pool
Well, you know, people, they try, but I don't dwell on these things.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's fair.
tim pool
Because the way I see it is like, they're trying to distract you.
Like, we're on a path, and that path is expanding, it's growing, it's successful, and the last thing I need is to waste time with distractions.
seamus coughlin
I get it.
Good for you.
tim pool
We gotta do this D&D show.
seamus coughlin
The lions don't care for the opinion of the sheep.
ian crossland
And we did hire a DM, a Dungeon Master, is here, so thank you guys so much for sending me your DMs.
unidentified
Yeah, it's gonna be good.
tim pool
Dr. Roller Gator says, Happy birthday, Lydia.
You're the best.
unidentified
Thank you.
seamus coughlin
Lydia is the best.
Happy birthday.
Yeah, she is.
We're happy for you.
ian crossland
Dr. Gator.
unidentified
Ooh, look at this.
tim pool
Debt Collector says, Hey, Tim, I just want to let you know the governor of Virginia just mandated that all state employees must show proof of the VACs or be forced to get tested.
See, that makes no sense.
If they're saying that there's still breakthrough cases, but if you're vaccinated that you don't got to get tested.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
But if you're not vaccinated, you do got to get tested.
It's kind of like, but you're still, you still have an open door.
Like if the goal is to secure a building and you're like, people are less likely to go through this door than this door.
So we're only going to watch this door.
And I'm like, so eventually people will still get in the one door.
Like, I don't know.
That makes no sense to me, dude.
All right.
unidentified
Let's see.
tim pool
What do we got here?
Gothic Extravaganza says, question for Seamus, if the debunked are so far removed from society, how do they receive communion?
Also, happy birthday Lydia.
seamus coughlin
Oh, the debunkers?
Debunkers, yeah!
They have a priest who will visit them on occasion who comes and he's extremely intellectual so they will not catch the stupid from him.
I can't give you the name, he's a very famous, very intelligent priest and he just goes and he dispenses, he distributes the Eucharist to them.
But that's a great question.
Because they could not be as brilliant of debunkers if they were not in touch with those.
tim pool
Corey Cass says, with how fast you can talk, you should be an auctioneer rather than those weird ad voices.
This 20 can be the first bid on whatever you're auctioning.
lydia smith
What are we auctioning?
Tickets?
tim pool
We do have an auction system, which is going to be launched on the website at some point.
And we're going to auction off stuff.
Like we got special custom colorway shoes.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
That everybody who works here got a pair of, I think.
And then we've got like drawings that we're collecting of all of the guests.
It was incredible.
I love them.
really amazing portraits. Those we're gonna hold on to for a really long time.
Maybe at some point we'll auction them off as like a fundraiser.
seamus coughlin
I love them.
tim pool
We're also going to be doing... the auction system was built for tickets to
the compound to hang out at our events. So there's gonna be a handful of
first-come first-serve for everybody who's a $25 member or more and then
there's going to be auction based because it's not like we can invite the
It's not a public venue or anything.
So we actually are really limited in how we do it.
And then there's an option for, like, people who don't have time to sit around refreshing, waiting for the post to appear.
And then the people who pay more, who are refreshing.
So it's like, you know, we're balancing it.
Eman says, Happy birthday, Lydia.
Mine was on the third.
Yeah, we are both Leos.
Seamus, love your work.
My favorite video is the mostly peaceful Maxine Waters.
seamus coughlin
Thank you so much.
lydia smith
Good stuff.
seamus coughlin
God bless you.
tim pool
Let's see, Boeskel.
California just mandated all healthcare workers must be vaccinated, as well as all hospital visitors.
This may be the last straw for me staying in California.
I think it's hilarious, all the people who are still in New York, when I've been saying like, get out of the cities, now they're like, oh no, I can't believe this is happening!
And I'm like, I can absolutely believe it's happening.
seamus coughlin
And I'll tell this, anything that keeps a sensible person, such as this particular viewer out of California, or pushes them out, it's probably a good thing.
I think there's a silver lining here.
Okay, let's see.
Well, I assume if he's watching your show he won't, but just please don't vote the way most Californians vote when you leave California.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Yes.
You know what we do?
says Tim Pool Independent Party for President 2024 quote defund the police
guns for all yes we should you know we do we turn all the police departments
into Department of Gun Services the buildings are already there
You've already got staff.
Many of them have had basic training with weapons.
And you walk in and you fill out the form like, you know, this is who I am.
I can prove who I am in here.
I'm gonna get my free gun.
We gotta do that.
I know a lot of people are like, that's gun tracking.
And I'm like, well, what if someone comes and gets two guns?
seamus coughlin
You know, we can't let him have two guns, Tim.
tim pool
Yeah, but we're not socialists.
seamus coughlin
What's the deal?
Bro, you know what?
You don't know what his needs are.
Someone goes in there and they need two guns.
Just let him have two guns.
If there's one thing our taxes should be funding.
No, I'm kidding.
If taxes, and look, if the government was in control of distributing guns, we'd have a shortage.
More than fine with not giving two guns.
In fact, I don't think the government should give anyone a gun.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
CC Covey says, if legalized, a machine gun would cost you, what, four grand?
You can rent a U-Haul and drive it... down, uh... Yeah, I'm not gonna read the rest of that one.
seamus coughlin
I knew where that was going!
lydia smith
Yep, nope.
tim pool
Levi says, Ian, you made a metaphor weeks ago about the Cleveland Browns and you're from Ohio.
Are you a Browns fan?
Go Browns!
ian crossland
I used to be.
It was pain, it was like masochistic though.
It was like 12 years of loss.
lydia smith
Terrible Browns.
ian crossland
It was like 22 years of loss.
lydia smith
Sad.
ian crossland
I thought, uh, what's his name, Tim Couch was gonna get us there.
tim pool
Barney Boyle says, what's the deal with Michael Malice style anarchists?
Um, like real anarchists?
seamus coughlin
What's the deal?
Was there more to the commentary?
What's the deal with Michael Malice?
unidentified
That's all I got.
tim pool
Ian Shizop, I can't pronounce that, says, not gonna lie, I think the beanie look needs to go in the near future.
What?
I'm gonna let you guys know something.
You know what?
I do this because I want to do it.
That's it.
That's it.
I don't wear suits.
I never did.
I never wanted to.
And I don't do things I don't feel like doing.
And if I didn't feel like doing this show, I wouldn't do it.
That's it.
ian crossland
The upside is you're gonna look really good in wigs.
tim pool
I'm just saying, like, I'm not gonna... I just do what I feel like doing.
I'm not gonna change myself for any kind of norms or structures or whatever.
If it got to a point where, like, what I did wasn't effective, then I'd just take my van down to the river and go fishing.
ian crossland
If people were like, keep the beanie on, Tim, keep the beanie on, would you be like, nah, I'm taking it off?
tim pool
No, I'd be like, I'm just going to do what I feel like doing.
seamus coughlin
What if I just started wearing a suit every show?
unidentified
You should.
seamus coughlin
And then I was the fancy one.
Exactly.
And then everyone was like, well, this guy's wearing a suit.
He must be the host.
I might start wearing headbands.
And then YouTube changed the name to SeamusCastIRL because they're like, there must be a mistake.
The guy in the suit must be the podcast host here.
And then the Daily Beast started writing about me.
They're like, we're so sorry to actually, is this guy in the suit?
He's the problem.
It's not Tim.
tim pool
General Kale says can't wait to see a social worker try talking down a six foot four three hundred pound man wielding a sword while he's covered in dookie.
seamus coughlin
Well, how does that make you feel dude?
Well, this is the thing I've said this before the whole social worker thing all it's gonna do is create a two-tier system because the people who are calling the police for reasons that would necessitate a social worker are Supposedly necessitated social worker rather than a police officer tend to be people in higher income areas where you don't have as much of a reason to call the police because there aren't dangerous people.
So what do you end up with?
Well you end up with a situation where the social workers are being called in the wealthy suburbs and in the inner city people call the police because that's where they're generally dealing with more actual emergencies and so the funding for social workers gets diverted to the suburbs because that's where they're all going and the funding for the police departments get diverted to the inner cities and you end up with a two-tier system. The people dealing
with brutality and police misconduct are going to be the people in the inner cities, not the people
getting the social workers.
unidentified
That's exactly how it's going to shake out. Is it day 512 of the lockdown?
I don't know.
seamus coughlin
Might be. Well, it was March of 2020. So yes, it's something it's over. It's yes. It's well over here
probably at 512 and a half. I think 512 sounds about right.
Yeah. I thought it was 15 days.
tim pool
Oh, but then it's been a really long 15 days. Yeah. Dorsey Woods says, so I'm going to take
your guns and police then continue to spend thousands on personal security because my
life is more valuable than that of you peasants.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
tim pool
Happy birthday, Lids.
Tim, look for me in your pitches emails.
lydia smith
Very cool.
tim pool
That's basically what they do.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Bynon Lee says, Tim, I work for a large gun manufacturer and we are understaffed and overworked trying to fill demands for handguns.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Some lines have been working 60 hours a week plus optional weekends.
lydia smith
Wow.
tim pool
Man, crazy.
That's crazy, yo.
seamus coughlin
If it's any consolation to the incredibly difficult schedule, you are doing very important work.
lydia smith
Absolutely.
Yep.
tim pool
Ryan Wales says, we should ban all people with the last names Bush from holding public office.
What a beautiful world it would be.
Please clap.
lydia smith
Yes!
tim pool
Please clap.
seamus coughlin
Sorry.
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
Jeb!
Exclamation point.
tim pool
Nate Parrott says, dude, Ian, yes, the US isn't invaded because there's a gun behind every blade of grass.
If we could arm everyone.
P.S.
I had to pull off to the side of the road and park to send this.
Happy belated birthday, Liz.
Awesome.
lydia smith
Thanks for being safe.
unidentified
I like that.
tim pool
Be careful, yeah.
All right, let's see.
Brayden T says, if a bad guy flees the U.S.
into Canada, different police forces with different laws and tactics come together to work out a solution.
Why couldn't private security agencies do the same?
Dave Smith, 2024.
unidentified
Yeah, I was gonna- They could, but that's not what I said.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
If Little Johnny from Hillside, where they pay the Hillside security, Geeks.
Sure.
I don't know.
I think it's from Baldur's Gate.
the amulet of...
Gicks.
Of gicks, there you go.
lydia smith
Sure.
tim pool
Is that a real thing from something?
ian crossland
I don't know, I think it's from Baldur's Gate.
tim pool
Oh, okay.
It's a ring.
It's worth five grand.
And he goes to this town, and then the Valleyside police come over saying,
he's got our thing.
The Hillside police are sworn and paid to protect the residents of Hillside,
and they're gonna be like, we don't know, we don't care,
this family pays us.
Not only that, the family of the kid can be like, we're paying, you protect us from these people, they're lying.
Cooperation would be difficult because of competing financial interests.
The thing about the United States and Canada is that the governments have treaties, and they don't care about you as a peasant.
The issue is when hillside security is a small entity that operates only in this one place, without the support of the people, they don't exist.
So they could cooperate, absolutely.
But it's basically when, you know, there's two groups.
I've seen it over and over and over again.
The leftists complain all day and night about how cops aren't held accountable, but then they say snitches get snitches.
Bro, if you're telling people not to rat anybody out, why do you complain when cops don't do it?
That's exactly the ideology you're espousing.
So there you go.
unidentified
Amen.
tim pool
Okay.
Let's see.
Thousand Foot Deep End says, Ian's correct.
My former HPD sergeant aunt said domestic disturbance calls are the most dangerous.
Yesterday in my hometown, a cop was shot multiple times while responding to one.
The officer survived and the suspect was arrested today.
ian crossland
You're going into their house, which is also very threatening to them, you know, and they're already heightened and enraged.
So it's a really crazy.
tim pool
Stoker Roilet says, I've gotten out of more tickets by being respectful.
Dome lights on, glove boxes open, hands on steering wheel.
AA book and Bible on passenger seat.
Pictures of my kids on Dash.
Happy birthday, Lydia.
I got you something real nice.
I don't think you should open your glove box.
But I'm not sure how the rules work on that one.
I've heard stories where if you open your glove box, you're consenting to a search.
Or something like that.
ian crossland
An entire car search.
tim pool
Yep.
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
That's crazy.
Yeah, I've heard that.
seamus coughlin
I've never heard that.
tim pool
I think that maybe, though, if they ask you to open your glove box and you comply.
Then they say, he agreed to let the car be searched.
And then they can broadly search your car.
I don't know if that's true.
It's actually really crazy, because I think the exclusionary rule means, like, the cop can't even look in the window.
Like, there was a story in Chicago, something about where the cop pulled somebody over and then looked through the window and saw something, and they were like, you can't do that, because you didn't have the right to search the vehicle.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
tim pool
Fourth Amendment.
You know what cops do?
They pull you over and they go, hey, sirs, Yes.
I smell pot out of the car.
unidentified
Dude.
seamus coughlin
It's like, dude, I hit a skunk a mile back is ridiculous.
unidentified
Nope.
seamus coughlin
But no, it's, it's insane that you could just, because how can you prove that later?
Well, why'd you search his car?
I smelled weed.
Okay.
You don't need any proof for that.
lydia smith
That's so funny.
I had a cop do that to me.
I was getting home late because I do post-production after the show.
He pulled me over.
Cause I rolled a stop sign.
He followed me to my house.
It's great.
And he's like, have you been drinking?
And he was like, have you been drinking?
And I was like, no, I was at work.
Like I literally just left work like half an hour ago.
And he's like, Okay.
I was like, what the heck?
tim pool
I didn't realize that was the thing they did until that last... Well, asking you if you've been drinking is different from saying, I smell pot, get out of your car.
I had a cop pull me over and then walk up to the car and say, good.
He's like, he's like, good evening, sir.
It's up.
unidentified
Oh, whoa, whoa.
tim pool
I smell marijuana.
And I was like, what?
Are you kidding, dude?
I don't smoke.
And he was like, out of the vehicle.
And then I was like, excuse me.
He said, out of the vehicle now.
And I was like, got out of the vehicle.
And then it's a long story.
I told it before, but yeah, that happens.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's, that's horrible.
tim pool
Christopher Knowles says, used to be very liberal.
Took a World Wars history class in college and changed over a quarter.
Ignorance goes a long way.
Corporate media is America's platonic cave.
Shout out to M. Harris' book, Cow Pigs, Wars, and Witches.
unidentified
Alright.
tim pool
All right, let's see what we got.
Flick Store Entertainment says, Tim, the small business administration gives grants to business owners, but people don't know what they are doing.
Yeah, I get that.
But I'm saying like, it's better than UBI.
Limited, one time, here's your opportunity, and then you get nothing to complain about.
Well, I tried to start my business and failed.
Okay, well, you had your opportunity.
No talent was lost.
And maybe later in life, you'll get more wisdom and skill and talent, and then you'll succeed.
But you know, we give people a chance, I guess.
Ginger Vitus says, do you notice Saki keeps saying carrot or stick?
They're using phrases treating us like animals.
This originates from Churchill talking about Nazis.
unidentified
Oof.
lydia smith
Carrot and stick?
I didn't know that.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
Ham Zinka says, in a true UBI system, we would all be paid the same regardless of employment or not.
Those who don't work survive in poverty.
Those who do are rich, having both the UBI income and the employment business income.
And then many of those people who receive the UBI, instead of spending it on rent or food, spend it on ho-hos, twinkies, or drugs.
And then we say, we have a crisis of people spending their money improperly.
seamus coughlin
Yes, exactly.
I mean, I can imagine it occurring where People are spending this money either on ho-hos, Twinkies, things that are not good for public health, so to speak, or on things that the media could say are bigoted or offensive.
Maybe they're supporting alternative media outlets with their money the way some people did with their stimulus checks.
And then I think it starts to become a matter of, well, do we need to examine and give people UBI, like, on the basis of some kind of social credit score?
I mean, again, that's extremely hypothetical, but I think it's within the realm of possibility.
Once the government starts giving you money, it's not as if there are never strings attached to that.
tim pool
Bug HQ says supply prices up 30%, labor rates up 50%.
This war on small business is ridiculous.
When I try to talk to people about it, all I hear is crickets.
Much like you'd get when you buy from Bug HQ.
Did I do it right, Mr. Michael Knowles?
Happy birthday, Lids.
Bug HQ.
We could use some crickets.
Throw them to the chickens.
We're gonna have a couple chicken babies hatching soon.
We had some rotten eggs, unfortunately.
There's bacteria in the egg, I guess.
They go bad.
Yeah, it's a couple weeks.
They were getting ready to hatch too and had to pull them out.
But I think we may have still five, you know, growing and maybe gonna hatch soon.
It's not easy.
ian crossland
That's why they lay so many eggs.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
unidentified
All right.
Let's let's carry on my good friends.
tim pool
I don't know what that super chat is in reference to.
John Smith says, in Starship Troopers, the Federation emerged naturally during a time of great chaos where veterans began banding together to stop looting and rioting.
unidentified
Huh.
tim pool
Interesting.
lydia smith
That sounds good.
tim pool
SeriouslyJK says, I think you're all forgetting about free enterprise in the US.
Decentralization will catapult the exponential increase in economic productivity, creating a national black market for counterfeit vaccine passports.
Defund my brain.
Yeah, that's illegal though.
Interestingly... Talk to your lawyer about... No, I mean, you should.
But my understanding is it's only illegal if you forge the CDC logo.
But with, like, I guess with the... I don't know if that would apply to the mobile apps they do.
Yeah, I really think some hacker's gonna come up with a thing that, like, it's gonna be, you know... Alright, let's see.
Kevin Brady says, I quit my welding job to be a filmmaker full-time after three years of working about 80 hours plus a week.
I just negotiated a part-time marketing job at my former employer.
You can do it without college.
In fact, I recommend you do it without college.
seamus coughlin
Good for him.
Honestly, I love hearing that.
Someone, you know, like somebody going after it.
ian crossland
I like it.
seamus coughlin
That's a risk and good for him.
ian crossland
I like it for you actually, dude.
That's yes, because follow it.
But this has been on my mind a lot.
I feel like the United States has become a country of artists and like writers.
seamus coughlin
For sure.
So I think there's definitely been an argument to be made that welders are more important than filmmakers, but we have a lot of filmmakers right now putting out horrible ideas, and we need people producing media that's going to represent positive values.
And also, if it is really the case that he was more productive and valuable for society as a welder, he's not going to make money making films.
And he'll go back to welding.
But I think it's good for him that he's trying.
I really do.
Because he doesn't want to look back on his life and think, what if?
What if I could have done this?
What if I could have contributed something different that I would be more passionate
about contributing and I never did?
So good for this guy.
ian crossland
I think it's more fun to create art.
But like what we have is a country of like people making movies and then talking about
it and complaining about it and people writing stories about how people are complaining about
it and then writing stories about them.
And like, we're all making money as we do it, which is this this fairy tale fiat worthless thing that we think is like numbers in a bank account.
Like, what's the real value?
The food's being imported.
The gasoline's being imported.
seamus coughlin
So, I think there is value to the arts.
What happens is when there is an economy which is robust and well-functioning enough for there to be a lot of excess wealth, then there are people who can do things like be political commentators or create movies or television shows, the things that don't directly...
Increase the supply of basic necessities and So I think you're right that an economy can become lopsided at some point But that's basically just what bubbles are and so if there's a bubble there, it'll pop I would say again I really want to continue to affirm this guy because if the filmmaking thing doesn't work out.
He has a very valuable skill He's not ever gonna have trouble getting a job as a welder though.
I I have said I would stop making predictions about the future given the past couple of years, so maybe I'm wrong there.
Maybe we just have this excess of welders at some point, and he should stick to filmmaking even if it hasn't quite panned out.
tim pool
Just think about how great it's going to be when we're a nation of nothing but musicians and filmmakers.
seamus coughlin
It's going to be fantastic.
tim pool
Everyone's going to be a YouTuber.
Everyone's starting a podcast.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
And this is the problem.
When you have something like UBI, it allows for a gargantuan bubble, the likes of which could never occur in a freer market.
ian crossland
Vaush actually said that we should print quadrillions of dollars to pay for that.
Did you hear him say that?
It was really quick and quiet.
He said it as we were all talking and no one, we didn't really go into it, but I was like, I want to pick his brain on that.
What?
tim pool
Like how?
Print quadrillions of dollars?
ian crossland
Yeah.
Cause we were like, we have, we've printed 28 quadrillions.
tim pool
Venezuela just slashed six zeros off their currency.
ian crossland
Maybe he was joking, but he said it really quiet and fast.
seamus coughlin
He could have been joking.
You could have misheard.
ian crossland
But he was saying in defense of UBI, it was like print quadrillions.
I don't, I don't know.
I would, I'd like to ask him.
tim pool
So the money is worth nothing?
ian crossland
That's what would happen.
tim pool
Welcome to Venezuela!
seamus coughlin
The dollar would lose value.
Even people who are proponents of this MMT fantasy will tell you that in order for inflation not to occur when you're injecting copious amounts of currency into the economy you have to have a very productive economy and you need to reach full employment basically.
And right now, we have just printed an insane amount of money after shutting the economy down for months at a time.
So, let's see how that works out.
Again, even the people who have all these fantasies about us being able to print whatever money we want under an MMT structure could look at something like this and say, not gonna be great for the value of our dollar.
tim pool
The Survival Prepper says, keep preaching preparedness, Tim.
Our financial supply chain and governmental issues may seem small should the House Foreign Affairs Committee minority staff report about China and the origins of COVID.
Preparedness now is insurance for the future.
It absolutely is.
Yeah, I mean, I think people who don't have some level of, just like, emergency supplies are just arrogant and stupid.
Amen.
Especially in cities, of all places.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Man, escape from New York, but I don't think I should have a first aid kit, water, or food.
It's like, I'm not telling you to stock up and fill up an underground bunker with 30 years of beans, dude.
I'm talking about like, what are you going to eat when it rains?
A hurricane knocked out power in New York for a couple weeks and it was hard to get stuff.
unidentified
What did you eat?
seamus coughlin
We're not saying you have to, though.
I actually wouldn't advise against this, but no one's saying, you know, get months or years of emergency supply food, though, actually, I would recommend that.
But it can even just be a couple weeks.
It can really just be a couple weeks' worth of emergency supply food.
And let me add the caveat.
If you have the financial means where you're capable of doing so without compromising having your short-term needs met, you should get months' worth of emergency supply food, because it literally cannot hurt you to have it.
But yeah, it can even just be like four weeks worth of emergency supply food I just I don't understand how anyone could be against that there are people who will scoff at that idea of being you know prepared with emergency food and I just The the smooth brain thinking there to me is just unbelievable Delhiopolis says Ian doesn't know what he's talking about.
tim pool
The lockdowns in Australia are nowhere near as strict as what they had in CA and New York.
Not even close.
Yeah, New York had checkpoints.
Like, you couldn't even enter certain places.
ian crossland
Aren't people getting dragged out of their houses in Australia?
tim pool
I don't know if they're getting dragged out of their houses.
ian crossland
They're just like 10 months ago for a Facebook post or something.
tim pool
That, I think, was in the UK.
ian crossland
Isn't that considered part of the UK Commonwealth?
tim pool
I mean, technically, but come on, they're different countries.
ian crossland
Are you sure it wasn't Australia?
Remember that woman screaming?
tim pool
There was a woman who had a mask exemption.
ian crossland
I thought people were getting dragged out of their houses in Australia.
If I'm wrong about that, I apologize.
tim pool
I know in, I think, in Canada and the UK that happened.
ian crossland
Canada.
Yeah, Canada had a rough two right now.
seamus coughlin
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
All right, let's just grab one more.
Let's see what we got here.
Um, we'll just, uh, we'll wrap up on this last one.
Destiny Prats says, happy birthday, Lids.
Mine's in two days.
unidentified
Thank you.
lydia smith
Oh, happy birthday.
tim pool
There you go.
All right, everybody, follow us at Timcast IRL, basically everywhere.
You can follow me personally at Timcast.
Go to Timcast.com because we will have a bonus members podcast coming up around 11 or so p.m.
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unidentified
That's right.
tim pool
We're going to be launching a non-profit, so I'm talking with some lawyers about this, like proper formation.
We're going to create a separate entity, which is going to be independent, and we're going to hire fact-checkers.
And the goal is to fact-check articles as well as take a random sampling from different news organizations.
And then run those articles against the SPJ.
So these are like the standard journalistic ethics.
And then if they don't label opinion, if there's factual inaccuracies, if they don't address conflicts of interest, if they don't announce corrections and we can see manipulations to the article, these will get an axe.
Then we'll do a random sampling of a hundred articles from the past three months, and then we'll say X out of a hundred are good.
So you might see some, you know, clickbait leftist site getting a 30 out of a hundred, some conservative site getting a 30 out of a hundred.
The New York Times, I think, would probably be like a 60 out of a hundred.
Huffington Post would probably be a zero.
I mean that literally because I think it's all opinion and unlabeled.
You can't put up an article that is opinion and not say it's opinion and a lot of these like websites do this So Daily Beast and Slate and so on that they probably all be zeros just across the board Daily Wire says it's an opinion conservative, you know and commentary But you know, we'll see as well because they might actually get a zero too.
We'll see but Seamus do you want to mention anything?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, so just check me out.
YouTube.com slash Freedom Tunes.
That's T-O-O-N-S.
We're going to be releasing a cartoon tomorrow with Dr. Fauci in it.
It's going to be pretty funny.
Also, if you are an animator looking for work, at Seamus Coghlan on Twitter.
That's S-E-A-M-U-S underscore C-O-U-G-H-L-A-N.
Great news.
to see this call if you want to just check out it should be in the link it should be in the description of this
Podcast but just reach out to me we're looking to bring people on the team for freedom tunes
and also other projects because I've mentioned my my business is expanding so
ian crossland
Great job. Thank you. Always a pleasure to have you here Seamus.
Thank you. It's always a pleasure to be here Tim Lydia Thanks for thanks for coming
Lydia, happy birthday.
seamus coughlin
Happy birthday, Liz.
ian crossland
Follow me at Ian Crossland on the internet.
I would love to see you.
lydia smith
On the internet.
Follow Ian on the internet.
Thank you guys so much for helping me celebrate my birthday.
I think I've worked every birthday of the last ten years and this is the most special I've felt on my birthday.
You guys are more than welcome to follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Lits.
I am closing in on Sour Patch Kids.
I think I'm 10k away, so let's do it.
seamus coughlin
Let's get her that birthday.
But guys, let's get her that birthday present of beating Sour Patch Kids.
Can we go over there and like Lydia's Twitter?
Can we give her a follow?
Let's do it.
Everybody do it.
lydia smith
See what we can do.
Thanks, Seamus.
seamus coughlin
You're welcome.
tim pool
We will see you all at TimCast.com.
Thanks for hanging out.
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