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Timcast IRL - Communists OPEN FIRE On Peaceful Protest In Cuba w/Jack Posobiec
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tim pool
As the protests continue erupting in communist-controlled Cuba, the communists have finally had enough
and they have reportedly opened fire on what is described as a peaceful protest, actually
killing somebody.
There's a bunch of other very disturbing witness accounts, and there's a bit of hearsay.
In one story, a man claims that his friend was calling him, saying the police are rounding people up, they're secretly arresting people, they're beating people in the streets.
And you know what I gotta say?
I believe it.
You know why?
The Cubans shut down the internet so people couldn't spread the word.
They arrested a journalist live on air while this journalist was giving an interview to a Spanish news anchor.
If the people of Cuba really believed in their revolution, certainly the social media they would put out would be dramatically in favor of what was going on with the Cuban government.
So why would they need to silence the people of Cuba unless it turns out the information coming out was desperate pleas for help as the police brutally cracked down on anybody who opposes their authoritarian regime?
Well, we got that.
We've got threats from Russia and China and Iran over U.S.
potential actions in Cuba.
Of course, you heard we talked about it last night.
I believe we talked about it.
The mayor of Miami is saying we should potentially have airstrikes in Cuba.
Man, this is escalating rather quickly.
And then you've got South Africa.
Massive food shortages are only getting worse because of the widespread rotting across the country.
I think the death toll may be over 100 at this point.
I'm not entirely sure.
There's another interesting article, though.
MIT.
Somebody predicted in 1972 that by 2040, the economy, the system, society would collapse.
And now they're saying we're on track for that.
So add that to the list.
We've got the fourth turning, we've got Thucydides' trap, and now we've got some MIT report.
Okay, the apocalypse is happening.
Well, we'll talk all about it.
Joining us today is, of course, Jack Posobiec.
jack posobiec
Welcome, welcome, everyone.
We are here for the fourth turning.
We are going to document it in full.
We're going to talk about the axis of the elites between the CCP, the one percent of China and the one percent of the U.S.
forming a global overstate.
tim pool
Listening to what Biden was saying earlier today.
I don't know.
He said it today, actually.
He said the other day, I think he said it's not just the vote.
What do you say?
The votes don't matter anymore.
It's who counts the vote or something like that.
ian crossland
Something like that.
lydia smith
That's what he said.
ian crossland
You saw that quote that Stalin was accredited with.
Yeah.
jack posobiec
Well, I saw the one where he was saying, you know, we've counted and recounted.
There's never been an election that was scrutinized more highly than this.
And I'm like, do you not remember the year 2000, Joe?
Because I remember you going around for years afterwards saying, Al Gore won the election.
Al Gore won the election.
He said this.
And I remember, I remember hanging chads.
I remember the, you know, having the magnifying glass up.
Did they fill out this bubble?
Did they fill out that bubble?
unidentified
Or perhaps they actually meant to fill out the bubble in between the bubbles.
jack posobiec
Yeah, so we've had a very highly scrutinized election in the past, Joe.
tim pool
I just want to add something, you know, because a lot of people were like, for the past several years, when I would mention Civil War, they'd be like, Tim, you're so dumb.
Why are you bringing it up?
Joe Biden is now repeatedly referring to the right as akin to Confederates, saying over and over again, we face the biggest challenge to our democracy since the Civil War.
That's no joke.
How many times has he said that now?
Like several times?
jack posobiec
This is something that I've picked up.
This is a rhetorical device that is not being used by accident by not just Joe Biden, but really his entire White House and the entire administration there.
There is a reason that they keep referring to civil war.
There is a reason they keep referring to their political opponents as the Confederates, who are essentially traitors, right?
Traitors to the Republic, traitors to the Union in the time.
There is a very direct goal that they are seeking, not only in the immediate term, right, in terms of the basic political win, but also they are in search of a crackdown.
They are in search of, they have a solution, and they are just waiting for the problem to manifest itself.
tim pool
That's right.
They know they're hanging on to power by a thread, so they need an excuse for physical force, intelligence agencies, everyone to just shut it down and seize full control.
But we'll get into all this.
We got Ian chillin'.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
That January 6th thing, I feel like their response was a little extreme.
And it's still, they're still responding to it.
jack posobiec
They occupied Washington D.C.
for months.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack posobiec
I was there.
I couldn't park my car.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
That's creepy stuff that's going on, man.
ian crossland
Crazy, crazy.
jack posobiec
We don't even, our capital was occupied by military forces.
And we don't even talk about it.
It was earlier this year.
We didn't even talk about it.
tim pool
They only just took the fences down.
lydia smith
Right.
jack posobiec
They wanted, they wanted crew served gun emplacements.
Do you remember that story?
unidentified
That's right.
jack posobiec
They actually wanted, and I believe it was Pelosi who was saying that, was saying, do we need crew served guns up there just in case, in case of what?
Right?
There was never any intelligence and they would have them up there and a few Republicans every once in a while when Chris Wray would come up and they would say, Do you have any intel? Can you tell us what the threats are?
Can you tell us what's going on?
Now interestingly enough, on April 2nd, there actually was a terrorist attack at the U.S. Capitol.
However, it was conducted by a guy who was not a follower of QAnon or MAGA.
No, it was a guy who was actually a follower of the Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan.
And by the way, he actually murdered a Capitol Police officer, the only Capitol Police officer to be murdered in the line of duty since the 1990s.
tim pool
What was the date?
Do you remember?
jack posobiec
I believe it was April 2nd, 4-2.
So I'm going at the 4-2.
tim pool
Yeah, we gotta call 4-2 for now.
ian crossland
That's my birthday!
4-2, baby!
tim pool
Alright, alright.
jack posobiec
I was down the street.
I was actually down the street when it happened.
tim pool
We'll get into all that.
We got Lydia present.
Is that your birthday?
lydia smith
I'm here in the corner.
Yes, it is Ian's birthday.
jack posobiec
Happy birthday.
lydia smith
Sorry, Ian.
ian crossland
Thanks, Lydia.
lydia smith
That's a bit of a downer, but yeah.
tim pool
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But let's, uh, let's jump into this first story, talking about communist Cuba.
This is where it's getting dark, man.
Daily Mail reports, quote, the communists have lost control.
First Cuban demonstrator is killed after police, quote, open fire on peaceful protest, while anti-government reporter is arrested live on TV as unrest continues.
Deubis Lorencio Tejeda, 36, died Monday in a suburb of Havana during a clash between protesters and police.
Witnesses claimed security forces had responded to demonstrators with gunfire after they threw rocks.
Social media activist Dina Stars was arrested live on TV by Cuban security forces on Tuesday.
Cuban government launched crackdown on protests after large-scale demonstrations erupted on Sunday.
Seems to be getting worse, man.
I don't know.
You seem to know a lot about communists, though, Jack.
What's happening in Cuba?
jack posobiec
Yeah.
So, you know, funny enough, I always joke about this.
So I spent almost a year right in Cuba when I was at Guantanamo.
But because when I was there under the Obama administration, we didn't have a status force agreement.
We still don't have a status force agreement between the U.S.
and Cuba in terms of that.
So we were not allowed actually out into the island.
Right.
So we used to have these T-shirts that we would sell on base that said, you're here in Cuba.
Close, but no cigar.
Clever.
And so I've always kind of wanted to actually visit the rest of the island, but I got really into just how Cuba works when I was there studying it because, needless to say, let's just say that, you know, while I was there for the detainee operations, we also had people who were there from an intel side that were not paying attention to them, they were paying attention to the broader, you know, Cuba, the landscape there, the military, the politics.
And of course, we actually had some communication with them, we would say across the fence, just in terms of, hey, if there's, you know, because it's very arid there on that part of Cuba because of the mountains.
So, you know, wildfires is a big issue, just like in California.
So that's something obviously would affect both sides, which makes sense to kind of have a monthly meeting where we sit down and talk.
Yeah.
And you would, so what you're seeing now basically is look, the Castro's are essentially over,
right?
Raul Castro has, you know, he's on his last legs.
He's kind of cut ties.
tim pool
He abdicated the throne.
jack posobiec
He's gone.
He's gone.
And so they know that this, that the new leadership who, by the way, who is still on Twitter,
verified and able, able to tweet right throughout everything you just said.
Cracking down on protesters, killing them, arresting journalists in the middle of the street.
He is allowed to tweet, but Donald Trump, of course, is banned.
ian crossland
Who is it?
This Cuban leader you're saying?
The leader of Cuba right now?
tim pool
Yeah, what's his name?
Who is it?
I forgot his name, man.
ian crossland
Let's find out.
The man of the hour.
You said a status of force agreement, Jack.
Is that something that the government will officially do with another government when they are going to have military that is going to be out and about in the country?
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
So you need some kind of legal, you need essentially a legal purpose for being there.
So you look at a country where the U.S.
has overseas bases on a more normal, with a country where we have more normalized relations.
So talk about South Korea, Germany, Japan.
Those are kind of like the three big ones.
Also, UK.
We have some people there on a few bases.
And so you would have an essential agreement where, okay, we are not immigrating, we don't need visas, right?
We don't need any specific documentation other than the orders, right?
And that's all covered under that status of forces agreement.
So, you know, of course, and you know, the sort of cynical view of that is like, this is US imperialism, right?
Why does the US need these all of these bases around the world?
Why are they providing this blanket of international security?
This is the way that Russia would describe it this way that China certainly describes it, especially when it comes to East Asia and that sphere.
But this is that's the basic idea that status of force agreement.
And you'll also see this in terms of like, you know, if you're going over somewhere for a, you know, an exercise, like we do exercises with, with tons of militaries.
And so the idea or tons of countries around the world, Thailand, Australia, etc.
And so the idea is that you wouldn't necessarily need a visa to go because you're going on on orders going on mission.
tim pool
Is it the end of the world?
We got, we got China, China war planes in Taiwan.
We got South Africa's collapsing.
You got the revolt in Cuba.
Then you've got in the U S Haiti, Haiti as well.
jack posobiec
I mean, it's like we, we actually kind of drove past that.
It's like, the president of Haiti is assassinated and everyone just kind of says, ah, you know, it's Haiti.
tim pool
Well, actually, no, what happened was the president of Haiti gets assassinated and everyone's like, whoa, what's happening?
And then all of a sudden everyone turns because South Africa lights up, Cuba lights up.
So look, man, fourth turning.
It might not be a world war.
What if it's a global economic collapse?
jack posobiec
Miguel Diaz-Canel, by the way.
tim pool
Yeah, I pulled him up.
ian crossland
I have a BlackRock right here.
I got you a BlackRock as well.
jack posobiec
What you're seeing now is, by the way, this is a reformation of the global order, right?
This is a reformation because, for a variety of reasons, America, which, you know, as I delineated before, which had maintained that system, and you can see the military power, but also the economic power and the cultural power of the United States, all of those have become diminished over the past decade and really over the past couple years.
Now, in the Trump years, you know, there was this sort of like sudden resurgence.
People were saying, hey, is the U.S.
going to go back to that position?
But then that, you know, that that was basically usurped by by Biden.
And so that that path seems to be closed.
And now people are realizing they are going back into what the status quo priority was prior to Trump, which and the phrase I'm going to say, and you'll all remember it.
This was managed decline.
Right.
We were told this again and again throughout the Obama years.
The U.S.
is headed toward a managed decline.
We were told, they used all these technocratic phrases to sort of explain, well, this is just the way, you know, things are going and countries, you know, they, they rise and they fall.
And this is, this is normal.
And, you know, I believe in American exceptionalism the same way Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism, etc, etc.
That was the quote, famous quote from Barack Obama.
So this is the idea, and I want people to understand that this is being done by policy.
This is being done by decisions, right?
Human decisions, human agency that's made on behalf of the people in power that have made this decision.
They've made the decision to outsource, right, U.S.
jobs, which is outsourcing our manufacturing base, which is outsourcing our wealth, all of the secondary and tertiary industries and businesses and communities that would have thrived off of that.
I was actually just up in In Maine, we went up for the 4th of July and, you know, it's great because you can go on the coast and there's all these sort of like old money cities and old money like beach towns and you go 30 minutes away and it's all this post-industrial just bleak societies where, you know, former factory towns with the factories gone and the workers, the families of the workers are all still there wondering, hey, what do we do now, right?
We're still here and, you know, we'd like to stay in our towns but we're just stuck.
tim pool
It's all done through... That's the interesting thing about policy.
You can be an industrialist, you can run a factory, and through no fault of your own, the government decides they're going to put pressure on your business that forces it to leave the country.
So of course it still comes down to the conscious decisions of a lot of these people who run these companies, but when they say something like, we're going to increase the minimum wage, we're going to increase the corporate tax, then we're going to do a free trade agreement for factories outside, it's impossible to compete!
Let's say you make, uh, Ian, you gave me this little, what is this, obsidian?
ian crossland
That is obsidian.
It's volcanic glass.
tim pool
This is obsidian?
unidentified
Yeah.
Wow.
tim pool
And how do they file it?
ian crossland
They polish it.
tim pool
Let's say, Ian, you have an obsidian factory and you make these fancy little obsidian stones.
ian crossland
Now we're talking.
unidentified
Alright.
tim pool
And you operate in, uh, Hawaii.
New Jersey.
New Jersey.
And then they announced... Volcanic New Jersey.
Well, they import all the volcanic rocks.
ian crossland
Naturally.
tim pool
So they announced they're going to be raising the minimum wage, raising the corporate taxes, and at the same time, free trade agreements with manufacturing from China.
ian crossland
That's too much for my company to handle.
tim pool
And you say, you know what?
My workers deserve $15 an hour.
Well, I do believe that.
So I gladly accept the cost increase.
And I should pay my fair share in taxes.
Alright, so you go over the numbers and you say to pay everyone $15 an hour and to pay a 20% tax, we're gonna have to charge $5 for every beautiful obsidian stone.
No problem, right?
Then all of a sudden you go to Walmart and there's China stone for $3.
And you say, there's literally no way we can make the obsidian stones for $3.
Well, China has slaves and they can import these products for free with no charge.
So your company goes out of business because it's impossible to compete with the free, the slave labor China uses.
jack posobiec
And understand, right, this was the idea.
This was actually the plan all the way back before when, and funny enough, right, prior to Occupy Wall Street, what was the big, you know, I talk about Antifa a lot, I wrote the whole book about Antifa.
What was the big sort of Antifa moment, right?
It was the Battle of Seattle, 1999.
Yeah, WTO.
And the WTO, and it was all about who getting into the WTO.
It was all about China getting into the WTO over slave labor.
And that was Antifa, right, protesting against China and violently, very violently rioting against China getting into the WTO.
tim pool
Those were Gen Xers.
So a big thing at play here is Gen X was protesting at the battle in Seattle in 99.
jack posobiec
And they were flying Tibetan flags.
ian crossland
That was second wave Antifa.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
I wouldn't call them Antifa.
They were anti-free trade.
It was more classically liberal in a lot of ways, but they were leftists.
And then 10 years goes by, and you get a little bit more than 10 years, 12 years, you get Occupy Wall Street.
What's that?
Millennials.
With some Gen Xers who were at the WTO, but many of those Gen Xers at the WTO moved on, had families, got jobs, and they're gone.
Now the Millennials come in.
It's been 10 years since Occupy Wall Street.
10 years, isn't that crazy?
It'll be 10 years in two months.
September 17, 2011.
Now it's Gen Z. People who are 10 years old during Occupy, who have no idea what it was about, are now in their 20s, entering their 20s, and they're voting for people, and they know nothing about the Obama administration.
ian crossland
That's why I talk about the Federal Reserve like a chicken with my head cut off on this show, because we got to teach these people about what is at least part of the root cause Of social disorder right now.
And it's, I think it's the privatization of our monetary supply.
tim pool
Bro, look, Jack talks about the plan, the WTO in 99.
jack posobiec
Again, this all goes back to it, man.
tim pool
So, but, but it's, it's, as I explained how you think that Joe Biden doesn't know what he's doing.
He's called for those three things specifically.
unidentified
We're going to raise the minimum wage and we're going to increase corporate tax.
tim pool
So they pay their fair share and then free trade agreements.
And you wonder why all those things come together.
It's to make sure you can't run your business.
Now, here's the thing.
These people who were 10 years old during Occupy Wall Street weren't even alive during the battle in Seattle during the WTO stuff.
jack posobiec
Right, they don't know any of this.
tim pool
Now all they know is they're growing up and the system is broken and the government should give them free stuff.
And when you try to explain to them, dude, it's Biden, he's been doing this for 50 years, they go, shut up fascist!
ian crossland
Did you see that they're going to be giving families $300 per kid?
Yes.
Until they're 18 years old.
tim pool
Child tax credit.
ian crossland
How do we afford this?
tim pool
We can't!
ian crossland
So they're just going to print more money.
tim pool
Bro, have you seen the consumer price index?
What was the percentage it's at?
It's like 5 point something.
It's going up.
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
Gas is up 45%.
unidentified
It's insane.
jack posobiec
Bidenflation.
Bidenflation!
We're going to, we're going to, it's, it's, it's, you know, they, they call it, what do they call it?
Uh, uh, massive monetary theory.
tim pool
Modern monetary theory.
jack posobiec
Modern monetary theory, modern monetary theory, but it's not modern monetary theory anymore.
Now it's modern monetary practice, right?
It's, we can spend forever.
We can spend indefinitely.
We can, and when you hear the Fed say, Oh, we're going to, we're adding to our balance sheet.
We're adding to the Fed balance sheet, right?
Well, that means you are taking on debt, which means when you're taking on the debt, you're issuing what?
You're issuing loans to banks at the highest level, right?
The reason that they are doing this is because they want all of you, they want millennials, they want Gen Z to become a renter class, right?
You'll own nothing.
You'll live in the pod, you'll eat the bugs, right?
You will own nothing and you'll be happy, right?
That doesn't mean that no one owns everything, right?
Someone is going to own something.
And that someone, as we're finding out now, is going to be Wall Street, that's going to be BlackRock, it's going to be Blackstone, it's going to be these massive companies that are coming in now and purchasing what?
Real estate.
So your landlord, right?
We know how much Antifa loves landlords.
tim pool
Corpianism.
jack posobiec
Right, yeah, exactly.
So you have Corpianism, where these corporations from Wall Street are now controlling the land.
They're controlling your real estate.
If you want to go out, and this is the amazing part of it, because rent's just going to go up, and so who's paying for those loans?
The renter is.
You are.
You are going to be a Russian serf.
tim pool
Look how brilliant the whole college plan was.
Everybody must go to college!
Two things happened when they went to college.
They took on massive debt they can't pay back, and they can't declare bankruptcy on, and they got indoctrinated with psychotic, you know, cult BS.
They told everybody to take it on.
At the very least, if they don't indoctrinate you, they make you an indentured servant.
Now, they're buying up all the houses.
So if you want to live somewhere, they're going to say, but you got to pay us rent.
Hey, we're a private company.
If you want to live in my house, you got to pay the rent.
And then when you give them problems, they'll say, we're raising your rent.
Oh no.
And you get kicked out.
jack posobiec
How are you going to, how are you going to have any type of wealth formation if you don't have wealth formation?
How are you going to support a family?
God forbid.
And if you do somehow manage to be able to get married, to have a couple of kids, how are you even going to be able to generate enough wealth to pass something on to them?
So you create into something the left, I used to talk about all the time, generational wealth, right?
Dude, you're not going to be able to do that with the negative interest rates the way they are now.
This is all done by design and the manufacturing.
Where does it go?
It goes to Asia.
Why?
Because they don't have our labor laws.
You have you have slaves, essentially slave labor in China in Xinjiang with the Uyghurs that are building all this stuff.
So they don't have to worry about them.
They're not getting the wealth.
The wealth is going into the 1% of China.
And who is that?
That's the CCP.
And this is gets back to my earlier point before when when we talked about the Battle of Seattle when when people were talking about putting and this was this was Clinton, right?
This was Clinton putting China into the WTO and then later Bush 41 Bush 43 Bush 41 talked about this, of course, the response to Tiananmen Square, he said, we just need to bring China into the global order.
That was what was said again and again and again.
People were saying Tiananmen Square, they're crushing students the same way that people are being crushed, the protesters in Cuba right now.
Bring them into the global order.
Bring them into the global order.
And they'll become more open.
They'll become more socially liberal.
They'll become more transparent.
No, it was the exact opposite that happened.
We became more authoritarian.
tim pool
But I think we were always more authoritarian.
I think you just can't do it instantly.
So look at what's happening now with what Joe Biden's saying about Civil War stuff.
I mean, the way he's describing people on 1-6, the insurrectionists, the Confederates never breached our capital.
jack posobiec
Come on, man!
tim pool
And then you hear what he talks about, the FBI saying, snitch on your neighbors.
jack posobiec
You were hearing that Joe Biden wouldn't have to.
So there's there's that refrain, too, that I believe people will say that, you know, if the situation were hopeless, the propaganda would be unnecessary.
Joe Biden's not going to Philadelphia, not going to, you know, where I'm where I'm from and giving a massive speech standing across the Constitution Center is down across Independence Mall from the actual site of the signing of a declaration in the Constitution.
He's not going to give a speech like that from a position of strength.
That was done from a position of weakness.
That's because the contradictions are accelerating too fast right now.
The Hegelian dialectic, which the left used to move forward, they used to progress with, is happening too fast and not enough people are able to keep up with it.
That's why they realize that their critical mass is falling apart.
tim pool
You mentioned on Twitter that, I don't know how much you've confirmed this or not, but that there was a plan to put together a list of extremists that the insurrectionists followed on social media.
Can you tell us what is that all about?
jack posobiec
So the reporting that I've got on that so far comes from a high-level White House official who's sending me this stuff and is saying that it's actually being driven by three people right now.
Chris Wray, Nancy Pelosi, and Chuck Schumer.
And Ron Klain in the White House is going along with it.
Jill Biden is going along with it.
And for the time being, Joe Biden is going along with it.
I haven't actually been able to confirm whether or not Kamala is for or against this.
But what it is, is they're going through the Jan 6 defendants, and they're trying to cross-reference everybody from that in terms of their social media, and come up with kind of like a top 10.
I haven't been able to confirm how many it is or how far it's going.
But find who the top people they were following on social media was.
And then of those people, and I said, well, what is it?
Are you going for the actual people who are saying storm the Capitol or commit some act of violence?
No, no, no, no, no.
They're going for the people who were trying to just say, hey, show up on January 6th because the president is going to give a speech on the South Lawn at the Oval.
tim pool
They're specifically putting lots of people who said come to D.C.
jack posobiec
Come to D.C.
tim pool
Interesting.
jack posobiec
Yeah, so if you promoted that event, which of course was a speech from the President of the United States, right?
This was not the thing that happened afterwards.
Then you are essentially going to be put on this thing.
And then this is going to be said now and go with the report in Bloomberg.
Bloomberg is saying that Mike Lindell, of all people, because he had that comment about August and everything, that they're saying we're now tracking to see whether or not people commit violence.
The FBI in Bloomberg saying we need to be careful about August because we think that there will be extremist attacks because Mike Lindell, who sells pillows, is talking about August.
And so August might be a key date for the extremists.
tim pool
I got to tell you, man, um, there's a lot of people who want to, want to show optimism.
I, you know, we got Steve Bannon and Michael Malice who have both said they've been very optimistic, but what we're watching, I mean, it tracks very similarly to the rise of any authoritarian regime of the past several hundred years.
And it doesn't look like we're getting our, we're going to, we're going to walk out of this one.
It looks like we're going to be underneath the boot on this one.
jack posobiec
So the question always comes down to that critical mass, right?
Will there be some kind of conflict?
Probably.
Hopefully that it will be a political conflict in terms of it's done through words, it's done through elections, and we can steer clear of anything.
Beyond that.
That being said, though, I do think there's a reason that Joe Biden keeps talking about civil war.
Again, there is not a day that goes by that you do not hear someone from the White House saying the phrase civil war or making some kind of reference to it.
I go back all the way through.
unidentified
Why?
jack posobiec
They want it to happen or what?
I believe they're trying to call their punch.
I believe they're trying to call their punch.
ian crossland
What do you mean call their punch?
jack posobiec
They want, this is what I was saying before, they want to be in a position where they can crack down.
They want to be in a position where they have some kind of inciting event, right?
You know, in, in, in narrative fiction, they talk about the inciting event, right?
They want to shot her around the world.
They want something terrible like this.
And you can go by the way.
tim pool
So they can stop Trump.
They can stop the midterms.
They can stop 2024.
jack posobiec
And beyond that, they want to stop the populist movement.
Ever since the Internet really kind of came out, and then Internet 2.0 with the rise of social media came out, it became a very big problem for the people who used to be able to just control the narrative, right?
None of this could have happened in the 90s, by the way.
And so for the Gen Z types out there who are watching this saying, oh, well, I don't remember any of that, Battle of Seattle, etc.
In the 90s, there were like five TV channels and a couple of newspapers.
And if you wanted to control the narrative, it was very easy.
That's why, you know, I think for a lot of people who are younger, Iraq WMDs, that was kind of like the last, you know, the last sort of time where it worked, where just a lot of people said, well, you know, the government says there's There's WMDs in Iraq.
I mean, I guess we gotta... But everybody was saying it.
Everybody's saying it.
There's no... Right, because those other voice... I mean, you might be able to find, like, you know, a certain AM radio host who was around at the time who would probably be speaking out against that, but that was probably it.
Right.
There was no other form of mass media.
We don't even use that phrase anymore, by the way, mass media, because everybody had through social media has the capacity to be mass media.
Think about that.
That's interesting.
Everybody.
All you need is this and you can be mass media.
tim pool
You know, we do that new vlog.
We do a lot of we use a lot of our phones to film it.
People probably don't realize we have good cameras and then we just use phones.
jack posobiec
I always say that the greatest journalist of 2016 was Zdenek Garza, the guy who was a firefighter on his day off on 9-11 who decided to go to the memorial and then got that video of Hillary passing out when everybody in the world said that it wasn't happening.
But what did he do?
He had the wherewithal and he had the mental preparedness to say, I'm going to turn my camera.
I'm going to film this.
And then, right?
And this is this is the spark of just just history.
This is the spark of the turn of history.
I'm going to upload it to my Twitter account.
And you only had a couple thousand followers, but it was enough that it generated more and more.
I really do think that was the day she lost the election.
tim pool
You're saying that they want to call their punch and think about everything Biden's been doing.
It's not just saying civil war over and over again.
It's that the FBI comes out and says, you're in a position, catch the extremists and your family and your friends.
You've got the FBI saying white supremacists are the biggest threat.
They're saying these things over and over and over again, even though it's not backed up by any real data or any real news.
Because you repeat the lie enough, people start to believe it's true.
But they're planting the seeds.
jack posobiec
Right.
And then you've also got, and you can see this in the documents that are coming out from DOJ and all this, they've got people in Facebook chat rooms, they've got people in telegrams, they've got informants all over the place.
BuzzFeed, of all people, BuzzFeed just said that the Michigan plot had 12 FBI informants.
Out of what, 17 people?
Right, 12 FBI informants.
tim pool
So here's what happens.
A year from now- And that's BuzzFeed, that's not like, you know- A year from now, something happens and they'll be like, see?
We told you.
ian crossland
Yeah, right, like a year goes by and they're just waiting like any one day and these 365- It's such a small event relative.
jack posobiec
I'll put it this way.
Do you remember the Simpsons episode where Homer, it turns out he hasn't paid his taxes so they ask him to go undercover on his friend?
So they put a wire on him and it's this huge box under his shirt and he's walking around Moe's and he says, He says, so you guys committing any crimes right now?
And they're like, Homer, do you mean like the time that you were trying to counterfeit money?
And Boo's like, no, I mean like stuff that involves You give more examples.
Yeah.
And I think Mo has like a killer whale in the back room or something.
And all these like these like Japanese guys.
And he's like, he's like, get rid of it.
Get ready.
Get out of here, guys.
Get out here.
tim pool
That's what the Democrats are doing.
jack posobiec
Right.
So that's it.
You know, and it's and I laugh, but it's it's that's kind of what's going on right now, you know, is that you you have a solution in search of a problem.
By the way, this is something that I saw in the intelligence community.
Um, when I was in there, that as the war on terror was wound down, you had all of these, you know, they would say capacities, right?
You had all of these teams, you had all of these special operations forces, you had all these super high powered intelligence programs, collection programs, all designed to what?
Protect America from terrorism, right?
But as the war on terror is winding down, You have all of these toys, right?
And yet you don't have any authority to use them anywhere.
So you have to say, well, and you have all these people who have joined saying, hey, I need to defend the country.
I've been told we have all this Gucci hardware, these Gucci programs.
I've gone to this training.
I've gone to that training.
What do you mean?
I can't go kick down some doors.
What do you mean?
I can't go after somebody.
I've got to go after someone.
There's got to be somebody out there, right?
When you are a hammer, you view everyone as a nail, right?
And so you have a supply and demand problem when it came to what But I think that has a lot to do with the midterms and with Donald Trump running again.
They will, by any means necessary, stop Republicans and Trump from winning.
threat is not overseas anymore, it's right here behind every blade of grass.
tim pool
But I think that has a lot to do with the midterms and with Donald Trump running again.
They will, they will by any means necessary stop Republicans and Trump from winning.
ian crossland
That's a lot of collateral damage.
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
You think that they would do that?
tim pool
Right now, they are hanging on to power by a hair.
They have the Senate only by the tiebreaker vote, and they have, what, 11 votes in the House, I think?
jack posobiec
It's close, yeah.
tim pool
It's close.
So 2022 comes up.
I mean, look, we saw Republicans win safe Democrat districts in 2020.
This could be the Republicans taking back the House.
And as I've said, the Republicans, they won't, but they should immediately impeach Joe Biden for all of the... Look, If they could impeach Trump over a phone call with Ukraine, we got way more than that about Joe Biden with Ukraine and Mexico and all the other garbage he did with his son Hunter.
But the Republicans get that house, they can start filing subpoenas, they can do what the Democrats did.
Now the Democrats aren't gonna let that happen.
Not to mention the Republicans probably wouldn't do it anyway because they're Really, really weak.
But the Democrats don't want to lose power.
jack posobiec
That all depends on which Republicans end up winning these primaries.
That's true.
That's why the primary fight is so big right now is, and you look at some of these states, not only in the House races, but in the Senate races, where, because Republicans know, they have a very good chance of taking back the Senate.
That's why you've got stuff that's heating up in Missouri, in Arizona, in Ohio.
These are all places where people either look at it as a potential Republican pickup or
a you know, got a Republican that's leaving Wisconsin may or may not with Portman.
We're not sure.
I know he said that he's not going to run again, but actually I don't know if I'm like
breaking news here, but he's that he may actually run for reelection in Wisconsin.
But and you've got strong candidates, right?
I'm constantly getting people to say, hey, Jack, you should take a side with this guy and take a side with that guy.
I think there's a lot of strong candidates.
And I think I hear a lot of people saying the right things, just like you're saying, that you've got younger Republicans now who are stepping up saying, look, I don't want to just win to say that I won the race.
I want to be in charge in the Texas governor's primary.
That's why Abbott is facing some of this stuff, because they're saying, not a Texan, but I never thought of Abbott as some kind of rhino.
But now you've got people going up against him saying, how come you didn't pass an election law a decade ago?
How come you didn't pass this law back then?
tim pool
If, in the midterms, enough right populists win and displace neocon and establishment Republicans, then they might actually start doing stuff.
Imagine if every seat taken is by a Marjorie Taylor Greene or a Lauren Boebert or a Matt Gaetz.
jack posobiec
Right, so this is something where, you know, I've got to give credit where credit's due.
You look at the DSA, the Democrats, Socialists of America, and the way the squad kind of rose up out of the DSA and rose up out of their sort of talking points.
It's almost like what they did is they created kind of like how Major League Baseball has the minor leagues, right?
It's sort of like a farm team where people can compete, people can move up their way up in the ranks, and then as they get up into Congress, they then are beholden to all of that stuff that they had to go through when they came up through the DSA.
Well, the right doesn't have anything like that.
The right has no organizations like that whatsoever that may be changing.
But from this point on, it's just more like it's kind of more of a free for all.
But I do see that as a potential model for people on the right or for just people who are populist in general to say, look, we are going to have our own organizations that are maybe have a tenuous affiliation with, you know, one side or the other.
But what they really serve to do is to credential people, is to bring them up through the ranks, is to give, you know, kind of like put them through the ringer, you know, here and there.
And then when it comes to So let's go back to what the Democrats are doing, or the Biden administration specifically, targeting people with this terrorism.
tim pool
I think it's because, that's the point, if enough strong Republicans, young, energetic, and populist Republicans get in, they're going to have tremendous power in the House that could be very, very disruptive to the very flimsy amount of power the Democrats are, or flimsy thread they're holding on by.
So how do you stop it?
Well, you continually say that the Republicans are insurrectionists.
They're the problem.
They support Trump, this proves it, and they try and do everything in their power to use the government to go after those who might actually upset their power.
They want to solidify their power and control.
They need one more Senate seat to actually firmly have the Senate.
So they're gonna demonize.
In every possible way.
And there's a lot of people I know, and you guys probably know people like this, who are just really dumb, don't care about politics, hear it in the background on CNN, believe it.
ian crossland
Unfortunately, yes.
It is sad to me.
So you think that the Democrats are going at this politically, like, if we can suppress this insurrection, then we'll stay in office and retain power, but that there's also like a global organization that wants to buy your stuff so that it can rent it back to you that's using this opportunity?
tim pool
Well, there's international interests, certainly, who want to own things and make money off it.
I think of it more like a fire, you know, or rot.
It's not like there's one guy who's twerking his mustache going, like Klaus Schwab.
Everyone assumes he's, you know, he's influential for sure.
And a lot of these wealthy people George shows are influential, but it's applied pressure.
Enough powerful people want a similar thing and they're applying pressure in a similar direction.
And so the fires of that elitism keep burning.
So if you have... It's like if you have ten people in a country, and they're all wealthy industrialists, and seven of them are communists, well, they're gonna keep funding communists, not together as a conspiracy, just because seven of them are communists.
Eventually then, the people who have food and money and are reproducing are communists, and then the three who support the capitalists or the free market for enterprise people, they don't have as much success, so then the culture becomes dominated by communism.
ian crossland
It's part of the problem of doing nothing.
They say if good men do nothing, that's like worse than evil itself.
It's because when you do nothing, then kids are born and they're raised in an environment where psychosis is the norm, like occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan.
And so they think it's okay.
Like they're twisted.
No offense if you were born after the year 2000, but...
If you didn't see what happened on 9-11, and if you didn't read the evidence about that in the years afterwards, and the weapons of mass destruction, and watch the slow decline into occupation that the United States has become, it was terrifying.
It was revolting, and it still is.
tim pool
Let's talk about where we're at externally, right?
So it's not just the Democrats are terrible with domestic policy.
Let me show you the story we got right here from Newsweek.
Russia, China, Iran warn U.S.
must not intervene in Cuba.
That's right.
Don't you dare, United States, intervene in Cuba because Russia and China and Iran have said so.
jack posobiec
Because Russia would never intervene in Cuba.
tim pool
Oh, for sure.
jack posobiec
There's no history of that.
tim pool
Remember when the U.S.
surrendered to Iran?
About two years ago?
Some small ships were forced to surrender to Iranian gunships?
jack posobiec
Yeah.
I was in the Navy the day that happened.
And seeing that image of my fellow sailors in the same uniform that I... No, I was in the Pacific when that happened.
They were in the Gulf.
And we were serving in similar communities, put it that way.
So I was like one degree moved from some of those guys.
And at that time, you know, we were still at, at on edge with North Korea, we're certainly always on edge with China.
It would not have taken much to see people I knew or, you know, various missions to, you know, kind of see myself in that position and thinking that, you know, that image, right, of American sailors on their knees with their hands behind their heads.
Iran of all countries to Iran and to not have a secretary of state and a president who were immediately getting on television or picking up the phone and saying, well, this was Trump.
No, no, no.
That was Obama.
That was Obama.
tim pool
Twenty nineteen was when we had the surrender.
jack posobiec
When which are you talking about?
tim pool
I'm pretty sure it was two years ago.
jack posobiec
I'm talking about the one in twenty sixteen.
ian crossland
What was what happened in that one?
jack posobiec
Twenty sixteen.
That was the one where they were held for a couple of days in the Gulf and they actually were on their knees, hands behind their heads.
ian crossland
And is the one where you were in the Mediterranean, Tim?
tim pool
Oh, no, you're right.
You're right.
unidentified
2016.
jack posobiec
Yeah, that was January 16.
tim pool
You're right.
jack posobiec
Wow.
ian crossland
What was the story, by the way?
Were they sailing too close out of international waters?
They went to Iranian waters?
jack posobiec
So there is an island called Farsi Island in that's essentially in the middle of the Gulf, which so the Gulf is split right now.
Right.
So there's there's international waters.
But then when you get into what a country is called in their economic exclusion zone, that would essentially be considered Iranian waters.
However, this island, which is in the middle, is an Iranian island.
So they have sovereignty over that.
So there is an EEZ around that island as well.
And their ship, I believe in the official report it came out, they actually ran out of fuel because the junior officer on there didn't actually calculate the fuel that they would need for the journey.
They were going from the northern Gulf all the way down to Bahrain.
And they didn't compute it correctly, etc, etc.
It's supposed to be the swing.
And then you go around the island.
run out of fuel drift into the waters get picked up by say, Hey, and they say, Hey, you're invading our waters. And I
say, Oh, excuse me, this is just, you know, it's a big mistake.
It's huge understanding. Nope, this is this is us invasion.
But you look at the response. Now. This is why when you when
you said it was Trump's and no, if this was imagine Trump on
Twitter, right?
If, if the IRGC, if the Iranian Revolutionary Guard had picked up some of our sailors and even had even considered getting close, right?
We are, this is Trump, by the way, who actually did just straight up merc an Iranian general, like the leader of, of their, of their force, the Quds Force, which is like their, it's kind of like they're still team six in many ways.
But, but far beyond that, because they're terrorists as well.
Obama?
I mean, it was like, we're so sorry.
We're so sorry.
tim pool
What do you think the response from this administration has been following these threats from, you know, communists?
I mean, Iran, you know, Russia and China, sure.
But what did Jen Psaki say?
She refused.
Jen Psaki refuses to admit communism is the reason behind Cuba's freedom protests.
And Joe Biden, others in his administration said it was about COVID.
They won't actually confront the issue.
They won't actually speak to the public honestly about what's going on in Cuba.
jack posobiec
So this is actually a situation where, you know, Biden, who, you know, and I'll give him some advice.
I don't think he'll take it.
But if he wanted to be smart, this is a chance where you could stand up for U.S.
leadership for the Hemet.
This is Monroe Doctrine.
This is excuse me.
This is the Caribbean, right?
This is nowhere near China.
This is nowhere near Russia.
This is our backyard.
You don't tell us what we're going to do here, right?
That's not how this works, right?
You could have—and that, by the way, that used to be U.S.
policy going back Democrats, Republicans.
That was not a partisan issue.
That was We yeah, yeah, we are going to pay attention to what's going on in our backyard, because it is in our national strategic interest to do so, right?
Because that actually matters.
That's why Guantanamo Bay is our oldest overseas institution, overseas military installation that we have since 1898.
I've actually walked those trails, where the rough riders went in a lot of that base, you know, you can actually see, you know, kind of walk through the battles that took place during the Spanish American War.
It's kind of amazing just to be able to walk in those footsteps.
But you know, for him to not just stand up for being the leader of the United States and act like a great power, right?
It really goes to show you that how much that you know, it's it's almost like the Biden's personal decline almost parallels the way that he's putting America on the path to decline.
tim pool
You know, here's the analogy I use.
It's like the dad who gets bossed around at work and is feeble, so he goes home angry and beats his wife because she can't do anything about it, right?
Not strong enough to stand up to those who are actually causing us problems.
The Biden administration has a really easy time of condemning its own citizens.
jack posobiec
The 75 million people who voted for Trump, they're the bad guys, but Russia, China, and Iran, oh, better, better, better, Right, if you were walking around the wrong place in the Capitol at the wrong time, and I say this as somebody who was physically there on Constitution Avenue watching as this all took place, right?
I knew, and I said this on air on One American News at the time, I said, there are going to be people showing up a quarter of the way back or a third of the way back there.
I have no idea.
They're just going to walk up and see an open door and say, oh, I guess this is open.
Or someone's holding the door open.
tim pool
Cops were holding it open.
jack posobiec
I guess I can just walk in, right?
You can be held without charge.
And by the way, held.
It's essentially trespassing.
None of the rhetoric actually matches in many cases with the charges that are going on.
But you can be held without bail.
Which is a gross violation of the Constitution.
You can be fired from work, you can have your personal funds and your bankier debanked, all that stuff's going on.
Entire family in Texas was just arrested.
And I was looking through the charges, there's not even a, including a minor, a minor member of the family was arrested.
No violent acts whatsoever.
So that's Joe Biden when it comes to his own citizens, right?
His own constituents.
And so we have a really interesting situation right now where it almost feels like he doesn't treat those people as if they are citizens of the United States and he is their president, right?
It's almost like he kind of thinks, well, those guys are Trump supporters, so I can treat them differently than I would treat a regular US citizen who's all of us.
tim pool
This is what people need to understand in this country.
Joe Biden has not been speaking to you this entire time.
That's what's really fascinating.
You get these conservatives who are like, oh, I can't believe Joe Biden said that.
It's crazy.
It's like, bro, he's not talking to you.
When Joe Biden came out and was like, we might need another lockdown in this country.
Texas and Florida had already reopened.
He wasn't talking to you, red states.
When he comes out and says all of these things, he is not talking to you.
He's talking about you.
They don't like you.
They hate you.
And Republicans, conservatives, disaffected liberals, political homeless, IDW, whatever you are, you better recognize that they look at themselves as the correct, the mainstream, the appropriate, and anyone who deviates from that group is an outside other extremist.
So you could be.
I mean, this is really what cults and authoritarianism is made of.
jack posobiec
I have a great example of this.
It's not Biden.
And this is what makes it so perfect.
It was Lina Wen.
Who is that?
And so she's the, she's a CNN, I think she's put her as a medical, medical analyst, right?
She's actually the former president of Planned Parenthood.
They never mentioned that, right?
But she has this comment and it's so illustrative of this mentality and it so perfectly defines what you're talking about because she says, You know, we need to make life harder for the unvaccinated.
We need to make there be penalties for them going through this.
And I'm not even talking about necessarily focusing on her vaccine comments, which of course a lot of people have talked about.
They've gone over it.
But when she says we, Who is she talking about when she says we need to do this?
You're not a member of government.
You're not elected to anything.
You're a CNN contributor, and yet you're acting as if you have state-like power.
And that is why I use this term that I've started to put it into the political parlance, and eventually I call it the overstate.
Right, and this, it sort of combines this idea of the sovereignty of the U.S.
government, right, and state governments, but also the connection with the media, with academia, with social media, etc., Silicon Valley, Wall Street, this idea that there is, so when she's saying we, who's she talking about?
tim pool
The party.
jack posobiec
Right.
The party.
Right.
unidentified
Exactly.
tim pool
Party members.
ian crossland
Anyone that will allow themselves to be brainwashed in the moment.
jack posobiec
Right.
Who's we?
tim pool
The American shadow communist party.
We'll call it that.
ian crossland
We is a very powerful word and that it's a cult building mechanism.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
And I noticed that nobody is bringing up the fact that she just keeps using it over and over.
We need to do this.
We need to set these in place.
We need to have these.
Why are you saying we?
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
And it's also otherizing because it's we versus you.
It's us versus them.
tim pool
When I listened, when I see the things that Joe Biden is posting, let me see if I can pull up something specific.
There's a video I tweeted.
Here we go.
Biden said, actually, I'm going to play it.
I'm going to play the video.
Is it not working?
We can't.
Oh, I muted it.
That's the problem.
I'm like, why is there no sound coming out?
Oh, I turned the sound off.
unidentified
We do a little technology around here.
jack posobiec
Here we go.
You ready?
unidentified
It's no longer just about who gets to vote or making it easier for eligible voters to vote.
It's about who gets to count the vote.
Who gets to count whether or not your vote counted at all.
tim pool
So that's only 16 seconds.
I don't know the full context, but assuming that is close enough to the context.
You know, he's talking about voting laws in Georgia.
jack posobiec
The new laws, right.
tim pool
The new laws.
This country is already in divorce.
I mean, seriously, when that woman on CNN says we need to do X, she's not calling you we.
She's not referring to you, the people who are watching the show.
She's saying you're outside this.
When Joe Biden says it's no longer about who gets to vote, it's about who gets to count the vote or something to that effect, he's basically saying it doesn't matter.
ian crossland
What is he talking about?
What is the context of that?
tim pool
They're claiming Republicans are trying to strip away the right to vote when in actuality it's the Democrats who are doing it.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
And so he's saying it's not just about, paraphrasing, the vote.
Who gets to count it?
Because he's arguing that the Republicans will count it incorrectly.
jack posobiec
Can I just say though, and I got to say this, I got to be clear.
We're going to do a little fact checking around here.
ian crossland
Thank you, Jack.
jack posobiec
As I was driving up here and, you know, we're not going to docks, but we are in a somewhat rural area.
I did not see a single FedEx Kinkos on my entire drive here.
And Kamala Harris, I got to say, I think she's right on this one.
No Kinkos, even though they went out of business 15 years ago.
Not a single Kinkos did I see.
tim pool
She actually said Kinkos.
jack posobiec
She actually said Kinkos.
tim pool
Out of business for 15 years.
jack posobiec
Yeah, well, they were.
It's FedEx.
FedEx bought them out.
But even still, like she said, Kinko's.
That's like that's a kiddy city.
tim pool
We've had a lot of people talk about peaceful divorce in this country.
And I'm not a fan because I don't want to see China take over.
Look, we need American unity, American culture.
We need to have a strong comeback.
But a lot of people have said, let me peaceful divorce.
jack posobiec
Let me ask you a question.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack posobiec
How many presidents do we have right now?
How many presidents of the United States do we have right now?
tim pool
I don't know what you mean by that.
Like, obviously we have one, we have Joe Biden.
jack posobiec
Right, we have Joe Biden.
But do you think that there are people who, at this point, just see him so illegitimate that they just don't view him as the president and they would view someone else?
tim pool
This is not Biden or Trump.
This is 2016.
When people said, Trump is not my president, you had that schism.
jack posobiec
And Russia.
And you can go, by the way, Joe Biden, he gave, you have the clip he said there, but there was another clip where he said, you know, this is not what, that's not how we do things in America.
unidentified
You win, you lose, and then you go on.
jack posobiec
You don't, you don't keep whining about it.
And then I'm like, Joe, I take two seconds and run a Twitter search on his own account.
And he says, The 2016 election was interfered with by Russia.
They've undermined our democracy.
Pelosi said it.
In your own words, you said essentially that Donald Trump didn't win because of Russia.
So you were saying he was an illegitimate president just months ago.
tim pool
When Joe Biden, Democrat pundit CNN, began referring to themselves as we, which excludes you, you need to recognize what that means is happening in this country.
Already it is very obvious that there are two clearly distinct groups.
One currently has the power of federal law enforcement and they are using it to crush dissidents.
Like little old ladies.
There's that video where the cop opens the door for the little old lady.
Arrested, charged.
Some of these people in solitary.
Antifa, free to go.
It's very obvious where we're at right now.
When Joe Biden comes out and he says, like, they're basically saying repeatedly, we, not us.
And the we is a reference to Democrats and the party members and not anybody who opposes them or any Americans.
He is not a president for this country.
He is a president for a faction.
ian crossland
You can use the word we for everybody.
Like, I think we need decentralized, free software, social media.
And I'm not talking about a group of us.
I mean, all humans.
tim pool
Of course.
But when she said, we need to make life hard for the people who aren't vaccinated.
jack posobiec
Yeah, it's abusive.
In her context, she's referring to we as a select group of people, how they are going to control and punish.
unidentified
Punish.
jack posobiec
She specifically is talking about punitive measures.
And not even to get into that issue, but punitive measures for people who have decided not to opt into your preferred preference.
We are going to take punitive measures against them.
tim pool
There are people who are pro-vaccine, who have danced and sang at the advent of mRNA vaccines, who are told by their doctors for pregnancy reasons, for allergy reasons, you are not recommended to get this, and they're saying make their lives harder.
jack posobiec
Or is it when I'm hearing autoimmune disease that apparently some people have this FDA announcement?
tim pool
That's right.
That's why I'm so offended by like door-to-door vaccination.
Because you go to a doctor, they give you a list.
You check off.
They give you a huge list of ailments and they're like, check off what you have.
Because the doctor looks at it and goes, oh man, we can't prescribe you this antibiotic because you have X syndrome.
But a guy going to your doorstep?
They're not going through these—at 7-Eleven, at bars.
I don't want to get into that whole debate.
The point is, they're not talking about—when she said, we, she was referring to a group of people who are ex-governmental or extra-governmental, who somehow have the ability to implement policies and enforcement over everybody else.
Who is she, or the people on CNN, to assert that they have the ability to even enforce non-laws over people who are not part of that group?
jack posobiec
Here's the essential truth.
They do have that power.
tim pool
Right.
jack posobiec
They do.
tim pool
They know it.
jack posobiec
They do.
And when she says that, and doesn't get any pushback from any of them, and you can see there's three people on at that point, no pushback whatsoever, because they all have that power.
Because they know they're in the driver's seat, and they know that they are part of, and there isn't a name for it, and that's why I'm coming up with it.
I'm giving this title, The Overstate.
Because they know that they are a part of that influence network, right?
Of those competing interests of these, in many cases, CNN is owned by a multinational company, right?
So we know that they are part of that group that is in power, and they know that they can wield that power over others.
In this moment, there's no check.
There's no check on that power.
tim pool
Republicans aren't even involved in the culture war.
Who was it?
Jesse Kelly, I think, said Democrats won the culture war because they were the only ones fighting it.
jack posobiec
So this is, this is, um, you know, I know I'm not supposed to do this, but this is, uh, William F Buckley, you know, this is the problem with his famous phrase.
So his famous phrase was, uh, a conservative is someone who stands a thwart history yelling stop, right?
Well, if you're just someone who's standing a thwart history yelling stop, and yet other people are going to say, Hey, let's try this.
Let's go here.
tim pool
Was he insulting conservatives?
jack posobiec
No, this is like his most famous quote that's attributed to him ever.
Who wouldn't want to be a conservative?
If you are a conservative, you can say, oh, I see what he's saying.
We need to preserve institutions and social norms and culture and morality that have sustained us for all these years, etc., etc.
If that's your tactic, to just sit there and say, stop.
We're not going to do any of this anymore.
It's like, no one's going to come to your party, man.
Nobody's going to show up.
You're not offering anyone anything.
tim pool
He is right.
That's exactly what conservatives are.
jack posobiec
And conservatives followed that for 70 years.
tim pool
But he's identified the group.
They didn't adhere to what he said.
He identified a group of people that just said, we're good here.
And that's it.
They're not fighting.
jack posobiec
So, I don't know... Right, standing.
You just stand there and say stop.
Paul Ryan with his little bow tie.
tim pool
I think there's a lot of things in this country that need to change, but I think there's a lot of things that are good.
We want to keep the good.
Imagine what these communists are, the overstate, the party members.
They represent a group that says, we got this amazing skyscraper, let's tear the whole thing down and then live amongst the rubble as we rebuild.
Then you have conservatives who are like, the building's fine as it is, stop.
And then you've got other people who are saying, we can probably improve this building quite a bit.
Let's keep it and get rid of the broken parts and put in good parts.
ian crossland
I like those people.
unidentified
That's how I identify.
tim pool
That makes the most sense.
So yeah, I don't identify with those who are like, burn it down!
jack posobiec
This is my problem with the way that a lot of people have been going against the CRT debate, the critical race theory debate, which, and don't get me wrong, right?
I think people are doing fantastic work, Chris Ruppo specifically on that front, but If you're just going to be one of these governors who says, Oh, I'm banning critical race theory and critical race theory bad.
Like, okay.
But if you ever come out of power, they can just take that away.
Right?
You need to be explaining to people the alternative.
You need to be explaining to people what is number one, true history, but then also why, right?
Why are these things considered good?
And this is considered bad.
You can't just say to people, Oh, we're going to ban this and this is out.
tim pool
Then I think that's why I think conservatives are probably the wrong word.
Populist maybe is a better word for it.
jack posobiec
I think so.
tim pool
When we had Charlie Kirk on the show, he mentioned that during Occupy, the conservative movement wasn't ready for a lot of these things, like calling out the corporations and censorship and Wall Street and big tech and things like that.
And I'm like, I don't think conservatives ever are because they're literally always just saying stop.
ian crossland
Reactionary?
Is that what those reactionaries are?
tim pool
Yeah, reactionaries oppose the revolution.
jack posobiec
Right, so reactionary is a term that came up during the French Revolution.
And so it was actually a propaganda term used by the Jacobins and the murderous authoritarians of the French Revolution for their political opponents who said, hey, maybe we shouldn't kill everybody and destroy all of French culture.
You know, maybe we can just start go around executing people because we decide we want to.
They were called reactionary.
So this was actually a propaganda term used by the Red Terror.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
So, back to the conservative statement, populist is maybe a better word.
The libertarians are very much involved, but they don't like Donald Trump.
I think with, like, Dave Smith and the Mises Caucus, you actually have strong, principled libertarians now who very much so will say they don't like Donald Trump, but very much so will oppose a lot of what the Democrats are doing.
And I think that's something a lot of the populists actually agree with.
So they might not agree with criticism of Trump, but I think the one thing that Trump animated, or the one thing about Trump that animated a lot of people was anti-establishment.
I think there's substantially more anti-establishment people in whatever this faction is, so I don't know what the right word is to describe them.
The people who are actually demanding things.
You look at people like, you know, Lauren Boebert or Marjorie Taylor Greene, who actually say, hey, we want a thing.
Most Republicans are like, we're gonna, we say no to Democrats.
I'm like, well, what are you for?
What are you actually advocating for?
jack posobiec
Okay, I'm smiling right now because you mentioned those two.
And I want everyone to know that I didn't say anything to Tim prior to the show.
You mentioned those two names, just because you see these two people who are fighting, right?
tim pool
You look in the news and they're actively fighting for things.
jack posobiec
When I said that they were potentially members of Congress that were on the Joe Biden list, it was exactly those two.
Marjorie Taylor Greene and Laura Boekel.
tim pool
Just those two?
Like, here's our list!
unidentified
It's two people!
jack posobiec
So far, I mean, again, I don't know if this is the final list, but those are the two members of Congress that I was told that would be on the list.
tim pool
You know what they've done?
You know what Big Tech has done?
By banning people on the right, they have made sure that the only voices you hear are the, for the most part, Spineless, weak Republicans who just say, please stop Democrats.
The fierce, fighting, angry people who are like, this is what we want and why we want it, all have been banned.
Not all, but mostly.
So now, what they've done is- Well, they're banned or atomized.
What do you mean by atomized?
jack posobiec
So Atomize is a great example for, you know, Marjorie Taylor Greene, right?
It's like, you know, we've isolated you.
We've broken you down to your constituent atoms.
You're not a Republican, right?
And they force her to go through these struggle sessions.
tim pool
And even the Republicans do.
jack posobiec
And as we say, even McCarthy is kind of saying, well, I'm going to strip her of her committees, but I'm not going to kick her out of the caucus and all that.
So he's going along with it.
tim pool
They want to control it.
jack posobiec
He goes along with this.
So this atomization of It's and it's it's part of an other rising.
This goes back to, you know, it actually goes back to what the German Stasi would do in in East Germany, because when they realized that it got to a certain point where they were disappearing too many people, and they realized that, okay, you know, this is getting a little bit too on untenuous for us.
Well, okay, what we're going to do then is instead of of You know, disappearing you and locking you up because that's hard.
It costs money, right?
You need to go through trial, etc.
We're just going to destroy your reputation, right?
We're just going to destroy what people think of you.
We're going to smear you.
We're going to attack you.
We're going to use all of our power implements so that people, yeah, you can be out there and you can have your quote unquote free speech, but no one will listen to you.
tim pool
Yeah.
They amazingly condemn Marjorie Taylor Greene for things she said before she was even in office.
Kevin McCarthy goes along with everything the Democrats say, and it's very obvious.
The established Republicans and the Democrats are part of the Uniparty, and right now the Republicans are just frantic because there is an invasive force of populists who have come in and started making changes.
So maybe what'll happen is they'll put out that list.
Oh, Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene are on that list, huh?
I'd imagine the America First candidates, the right-wing populist candidates, obviously huge overlap, the ones who are trying to primary, they're all going to be labeled extremists.
There's going to be stories in every major newspaper about, oh, these Republicans, they're evil and dangerous.
We can't let them win.
jack posobiec
And by the way, I don't know if anyone saw this, but this is a huge problem that the populists have, right?
Liz Cheney, right?
Liz Cheney, who's sort of the the avatar of sort of the anti-populist. She's the avatar
of the establishment wing, or she's been propped up as this. She just raised 1.8 million, right?
She actually put up the highest numbers for any House member, right? That's Liz Cheney. Now,
I'd like to go through that 1.8 million and see exactly where's all that coming from. Well,
tim pool
the squad members raised most of their money outside their district.
jack posobiec
Halliburton?
Squad raised a ton of money.
This is going to come down to a money fight.
And there are extremely powerful interests that are fighting against this.
And so I do believe, by the way, that populists have the upper hand in terms of numbers right now.
I do.
I really do.
But the money side is going to get filtered in.
tim pool
They've broken the working class.
Oh, sure, you might have the working class on your side.
A million grassroots donors who are too broke now because the economy's been destroyed to actually give you a penny to help your campaign.
ian crossland
Yeah, when the Roman Empire fell apart completely, the middle class eviscerated and evaporated.
It was gone.
They completely disseminated the...
tim pool
You've got these elites' worth.
The net worth of the billionaires went up substantially.
The major corporations' stock values started to skyrocket.
Small businesses destroyed.
And what did that help do?
Destroy grassroots.
Activism.
Bernie Sanders famously had an average donation of $23 or whatever that number was.
jack posobiec
I am once again asking.
tim pool
But he was, but Bernie was able to to rise up because he had the people on his side and all of that money flowing into him empowered him greatly.
Well, be it fortuitous for the establishment that they have destroyed the economy and hurt the working class and made them mostly destitute and homeless and living off of government welfare and unemployment bills and child tax credits, Now you could have 10 million supporters.
If they're too broke to donate to you, they don't.
But the wealthy elites whose net worth went up, we were able to donate whatever they want to whoever they want.
Super PACs.
jack posobiec
So we went to the, um, you know, you mentioned the workers, right?
We were out in Nevada for the UFC fight.
Um, we go, we went to Joe Rogan and Dave Chappelle the night before, and then because of Rogan's in town, because he does commentary.
So we go to McGregor and Poirier and.
At the stadiums, where we were going, at the arenas where we were going to show up, the concession stand, the line, was like 40 minutes long for each of them.
Why?
You would go up and you'd see there's only two people working behind the stand there.
unidentified
Wow.
Wow.
jack posobiec
That's it.
Because that town, that city, that's the entertainment capital of the state, right?
That's their entire economy.
It was decimated by COVID.
And now they have a worker shortage, because there's so many people that are living off of government and say, Hey, I get this money for free.
For that, I got to go deal with drunk people, I got to go deal with, you know, whatever, you got my order wrong.
So I got to go deal with emotional abuse.
Why go back to work if I'm if I can still get money for this?
It's a massive worker shortage out there.
tim pool
It's a time bomb, you know?
The bill will come due.
Which law of thermodynamics, Ian?
ian crossland
Perhaps the second law of thermodynamics?
jack posobiec
Second law.
ian crossland
To be honest, I don't know.
Are you talking about when an object in motion will remain in motion unless forced upon?
jack posobiec
No, no, no.
tim pool
This idea that you can get things for free without making things.
ian crossland
Oh, free energy.
tim pool
Yeah, eventually what happens is the value of the dollar becomes zero because... Why work?
ian crossland
Well, the problem with the thermodynamic thing that says you can't get more energy out of a system than you put into it only assumes that there's a closed system that you're working within.
But in reality, there are no closed systems.
Energy can always come from further away than we knew it existed.
So, I do believe zero point energy is possible.
jack posobiec
You mean like slave labor in China?
ian crossland
Yeah, like there will always be more slaves.
We can always have more children and make them more slaves.
I'm kind of joking around, but I'm also being honest.
tim pool
Americans spending money and not producing anything won't last forever.
ian crossland
We'll have to default on it.
We're going to have to default on the Federal Reserve.
jack posobiec
And by the way, this all goes back to the 90s.
This goes back to NAFTA.
This goes back to China and WTO.
tim pool
Which goes back to 79.
This goes back.
jack posobiec
It goes back and back and back.
This was the idea.
China will be The manufacturing base, right?
That will be China.
That will be moved to China, right?
And then America will be the consumers.
America will say, you sit there, you're going to, you know, whatever is the new movie that gets rolled off the assembly line, you're all going to go watch it.
And now they don't even need to do that.
Now you're just streaming, right?
You can just sit in your home and you're going to have it delivered to you and you click this and you say, Oh, I'm going to watch this.
And then, and then you just go on to the next one and you go on to the next one.
tim pool
It's the end of days, my friends.
Check out this story from the Daily Mail.
A 1972 prediction of the collapse of society is on track to happen by 2040.
Economic growth will halt in a decade.
Food will become scarce and human population will decline, KPMG study finds.
They say MIT used a world simulation model to learn how our world would fare from 1972
The model looked at a number of factors, such as population, industrial output, and persistent pollution, and found a societal collapse could happen by 2040.
The research was criticized at the time, but an accounting firm, Analysis, took another look at MIT's data and found their stark prediction was correct.
The recent work shows our business as usual mentality will spark a decline of economic growth within the next decade, but a total collapse by 2040.
I wonder if there are powerful international elites who saw that news in 1972, saw those stories, and then not by a conspiracy, but by a standalone complex, very powerful individuals influenced by similar things, decided to take actions within their industries in a certain direction, which led us to today.
ian crossland
Oh, like a self-fulfilling prophecy?
jack posobiec
I got one.
I can go back even further.
tim pool
What do you got?
jack posobiec
Nikola Tesla.
tim pool
What did he say?
jack posobiec
1920s.
And it's just very quick, very quick.
Technical advances are inevitably driving us toward the grossest kind of materialism.
Before long, the social system of bee life will be universal.
tim pool
Bee life.
jack posobiec
Bug men.
tim pool
Bug men.
So we've got Cuba.
jack posobiec
Completely predicted by Tesla.
tim pool
We've got Cuba in revolt.
Maybe it's nothing.
Maybe it's a one-off.
We got South Africa.
There was some audio that was posted by the guy, Phoenix Ammunition guys tweeted this out, retweeted it, where it's like audio recordings where he's like, we're lending out a thousand rounds.
They're saying they're running out of ammunition.
And then there's another audio recording where it's like, we're running out of bullets.
There's thousands of them.
We can't stop them.
By nightfall, the city will burn.
South Africa, dude.
jack posobiec
When you look at these things... Did you see Jacob Zuma's son, by the way?
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Loot responsibly.
jack posobiec
Loot responsibly.
So his father was the president who was arrested.
Right, right, right.
Loot responsibly.
tim pool
We've got war with China, potentially.
We've got Russia, China, Iran threatening us over what's happening in Cuba.
We had that incident a couple years ago.
Was that in Venezuela, where that cruise ship was rammed or something?
lydia smith
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
And the Venezuelans tried to steal it.
You get this MIT report, and we're sitting here talking about Civil War and Thucydides Trap and the fourth turning, and now we can add another predictor to that mess.
ian crossland
You know, humans blowing each other up is one problem, and I don't want to derail this because this is a good conversation, but what I fear is what happened in Texas when it froze over and the wind turbines stopped working, the electric grid shut down, the centralized electric grid failed, people started freezing to death.
Wildfires that burn people alive because they can't get out.
Asteroid impacts, collisions, floods.
We have a centralized electric grid that cannot handle these things.
People without electricity... I've never seen that in my life, and I don't want to.
But that's what I'm afraid of.
This stuff, blowing each other up, this has been a threat since the dawn of man.
tim pool
This 2040 study isn't saying we're going to blow up, it's going to say society is going to collapse.
unidentified
Jeez.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Well, what is society?
tim pool
Um, well, that's why I, you know, one of the first things I ever did when I got a smartphone was I downloaded a survival guide.
ian crossland
Yeah, I did too.
I have one on my phone.
tim pool
Yeah.
Because it's just a smart things to do.
People go camping sometimes.
ian crossland
Yeah.
If you have a smartphone, get one.
tim pool
I'm like, you know, I might go camping and need to learn how to start a fire or, you know, like watch out for poison ivy or something.
But hey, in the event that you get lost in the woods, you're going to love that you got a little bit of that battery left.
You turn the brightness way down and start looking like, what do I do?
How do I find my way out?
You know what's really interesting?
One of the biggest mistakes people make when they get lost somewhere is they leave their car.
You know why that's the stupidest thing you can do?
When the helicopter's flying over, like, there's a car!
jack posobiec
Like a million reasons.
That's the worst thing you could do.
tim pool
They go down, they find the car, and the person's gone.
jack posobiec
Or double back to it, I mean, that would be... Just stay in the car.
If you're trying to find something.
tim pool
I'm not gonna give you advice, I'm gonna say just take care of yourself, be responsible.
Yeah, you look at what happened in Texas.
There's things like that that happened, but here's the crazy part.
Our cities have gotten so big.
What happens when the power goes out for a long enough period of time that order breaks down?
I mean, you look at what happened in South Africa, with all of the stores being looted, the warehouses being looted, when order is just, when people are like, hey, guess what?
Law's off!
The purge happens.
jack posobiec
And not only that, but it's not just order, it's when made-to-order, right?
It's when on-demand breaks down, right?
It's when I can't get my Disney+, I can't get my streaming, I can't get this, I can't get my Uber Eats.
I can't get all of these different things where stuff is just delivered to me by my gig slaves.
When that breaks down and suddenly I have to... I know people who don't even shop anymore.
tim pool
It's easily exemplified by the Treehouse of Horror with the Simpsons where it was a play on The Shining and Homer was trying to, you know, had no TV.
So he became murderous and started rampaging around trying to kill his family, the Simpson
family.
And then finally, they're out.
jack posobiec
No beer, no TV, make homer something something.
tim pool
And then they're outside and then Homer is like, come sit with me by the warmth of the
TV and he finally has a little TV.
And then they're sitting there and the TV power dies and they're frozen.
And then Homer says, urge to rise, urge to kill rising, urge to kill rising.
That's basically what it is you're referring to.
The crazy thing about this is it used to be that if you wanted a cheeseburger, you had
to wait for it.
You had to go buy the ingredients.
You had to go make it yourself.
Then we're in the diner era.
And then McDonald's is like, we're an invent a way where you can walk up and get that burger
real quick.
And people were like, whoa, now people are so spoiled.
They go to a restaurant, they wait five minutes, they freak out.
Where's my throwing stuff at the counter?
Yeah.
If we go back to the era where it's like you got to wait a month to get tomatoes because
jack posobiec
So this is, this is, you know, having my, um, you know, my wife and then her parents live with us and they're from Eastern Europe, right?
They don't have that.
They don't have that at all because they don't have, it may be someone like the big cities in, in, uh, in Eastern Europe, they have that, but in for their, for them, it's, Hey, I, I went out in the morning, I bought some fresh stuff, and now I'm going to cook it.
I'm going to spend the day washing it and cooking it and preparing the dinner and getting it done.
I joke about this, but they won't even use the dishwasher.
Why would I use that?
I can just wash it by hand, right?
tim pool
Well, to be honest, dishwashers don't work.
lydia smith
Yeah, they don't.
tim pool
You end up having to wash it anyway.
jack posobiec
Right, right, right.
But I mean, they wouldn't even consider putting it in the dishwasher, right?
You know, and it's it's really is.
And sometimes we do have this kind of culture clash.
They're not big on air conditioning.
Oh, yeah.
And they're and they're super.
They're just super like they're way more used to, hey, if you want to get something, if you want some walnuts, if you want some cucumbers, hey, go outside.
Here's a basket.
Go get them.
unidentified
Yeah.
Right.
jack posobiec
You want some cranberries?
Go do this.
That's how you take care of the future and the future.
And you look at what we have now and it always makes me kind of reflect back on the way, you know, strawberries in winter, you know, you come out and say, Is this better?
Is our way better?
tim pool
Strawberries in winter.
ian crossland
It's better for building brain matter, because having access to all those nutrients make us able to be stronger, potentially, intelligently, but people have been abusing it.
I mean, if you put aspartame... I don't know, man.
jack posobiec
I've been walking around.
tim pool
I partially disagree.
ian crossland
It's the aspartame.
tim pool
I think it's really... I partially disagree, and I think you're correct about the availability of nutrients, but people eat random trash.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's the problem.
tim pool
They go to McDonald's.
People are abusing the system.
ian crossland
They're not taking advantage of it.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
Properly.
They're taking disadvantage with it.
tim pool
They go to McDonald's, they buy a cheeseburger and fries.
What do they have for dinner?
A chicken sandwich and fries.
And it's like, you're not getting real vegetables.
You might get a tomato, I guess, but.
jack posobiec
That's another thing.
Which is a fruit, by the way.
Tanya's father, when he came to the U.S., we went out, I think we, I forget where we were, but we were in some place and the only thing that was open was fast food.
And we got some stuff and he was like, I'm not eating this.
I'm like, why?
It's gross.
To him, he's like, this is not food.
This is like plastic mush.
And then, so when I go over and visit, by the way, and you eat the food there, like
farm to table isn't like, they don't even say that because that's just food, right?
Right.
In Eastern Europe.
So you get it and then you start eating stuff and you realize it doesn't have the sort of
sensationalism kind of tastes that US food would have, but it's richer and you can really
taste, you can really taste, you know, the true nutrients that are in it.
You can taste so many different flavors that you weren't used to having.
You say, oh, this is what meat is supposed to taste like.
This is what vegetables are supposed to.
tim pool
It's not just that, it's when you're eating nothing but garbage, you lose, I'll put it a better way, when you're really, really hungry, everything tastes better.
When you're eating healthy, and then you have those garden fresh veggies, and you're eating it, you're like, it just tastes so good.
It's like when you, imagine like chugging a bunch of soda, and then eating a scoop of ice cream, and like the sweet, your sweetness overload, you ever have that?
Where it's like the ice cream doesn't even taste sweet, because you have too much sugar in your mouth already.
That's basically everything.
I was reading about sugar addiction, And how the sugar content of our drinks kept going up for a long period of time because people would drink a soda with like 10 grams of sugar and then they would find a soda with 15 and be like, ooh, this one's better.
And so the next company's like, make it 17, make it 19, make it 20, 25.
Now it's up to, I think, for like a Coke, 48 grams of sugar.
jack posobiec
Isn't that the thing where, and I'm sure this is more of a more apocryphal than actual true story, but the idea that Coca-Cola used to be, you know, it used to actually have cocaine in it, right?
So that was where they get the name.
So I think that's true.
No, no, no, no, no.
That's true.
The next part is, you know, where basically they said, well, once that was criminalized, they had to find something else that was just as addictive to put in their soda.
So they found sugar.
tim pool
Well, they found caffeine.
Caffeine has a very, very similar effect on the human body to cocaine.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
They did.
jack posobiec
Well, in terms of your energy boost.
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Well, I mean, caffeine causes euphoria.
It stimulates the brain in a very, very similar way.
jack posobiec
There actually is, and I think we talked about this on one of the last times I was here, but that you could actually trace the enlightenment to the introduction of coffee in Europe, right?
Psychoactive stimulants all of a sudden were like, whoa!
Right, and then prior to that, right, and if you look at any like medieval literature or any medieval sources, you always see people always, they're going to the inn, they're drinking mead, they're drinking, that's like, People were kind of buzzed all the time, like water, you know, healthy water or drinkable water was not readily available in the Middle Ages.
And so if you want something, you want it fermented, you want something that's been processed, so you are going to be drinking alcohol more.
So there's the idea that people just in the Middle Ages were just generally kind of buzzed all the time.
tim pool
It was safer to drink, you know?
Right.
Did you know that Coke has coffee?
lydia smith
Yeah, they do.
ian crossland
I did not.
tim pool
I just found this out today.
Really good.
It was a Coca-Cola can, but it said coffee on it, and I was confused, and I was like, I'm gonna try it.
It's got Splenda in it.
So I cracked it open, I taste it, I was like, wow!
It's actually really good!
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I thought it was gonna be bad.
And then I was like, I looked at the nutrition.
jack posobiec
I remember Pepsi coffee.
They had Pepsi- Pepsi-Kona.
tim pool
Really?
jack posobiec
Pepsi-Kona.
tim pool
I looked at the nutrition information on the Coke, and it was like 11 grams of sugar, and I was like, that's impossible.
This is way too sweet.
unidentified
Boom.
tim pool
Splenda.
ian crossland
Splenda.
tim pool
I don't drink that stuff.
unidentified
What do you do?
jack posobiec
Do you use Stevia?
tim pool
Uh, Stevie is alright, but I just either drink water or I drink pure sugar.
You know, cane sugar or whatever.
ian crossland
Splenda's Sucralose, which is, I don't know, Sucralose.
tim pool
Yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a, your body doesn't digest it.
I'm not a fan of that stuff.
I like, you know.
ian crossland
Monk fruit.
We've been doing a lot of monk fruit.
jack posobiec
I thought Splenda was aspartame.
ian crossland
What's that?
jack posobiec
I thought Splenda was aspartame.
unidentified
No, Splenda is Sucralose.
ian crossland
This is saying that it's Sucralose.
tim pool
It is, yeah, Splenda is Sucralose.
I'm not, I don't care for any of that stuff.
jack posobiec
Maybe that's equal.
ian crossland
Oh, this says that they originally contained sucralose.
It's also known for using monk fruit, stevia, and allulose.
tim pool
Yeah, monk fruit I hear is alright.
Equal is aspartame, and then sweet and low is saccharin.
I don't care for any of that stuff.
You know, we have a bunch of sodas from this company called Root 66 I just ordered from.
It's like a Chicago company.
Pure cane sugar.
I don't want to have too much of that anyway, but if we're going to have... We do have these Japanese sodas that are really fun.
It's got the marble and you pop it in.
And that's fructose glucose syrup, which probably just means high fructose corn syrup.
And we got a bunch of sodas with that high fructose corn syrup.
ian crossland
What's the new stuff?
Something fructose?
There's a new kind of fructose that's out.
jack posobiec
That's the other thing, by the way.
With Tanya, anything that's like Sodas, anything carbonated, all that.
She just doesn't want any of it.
unidentified
Water.
ian crossland
That's great.
tim pool
Just amazing.
jack posobiec
She's like, I want, she drinks water and if she wants a little bit of a pick me up, she'll go for a green tea.
tim pool
I went out to, we got pizza today, and they didn't have water.
I was just like, I guess I'll have Coke.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
I don't like Coke at all.
ian crossland
That's some Middle Ages stuff going on.
tim pool
I mean, they could pour me a glass of water, but I don't want to drink some unfiltered well water, you know what I mean?
ian crossland
I'm big on coconut water.
This is the mojo we've been getting, and this is like no other coconut water I've ever had.
I mean, it's just enough sugar, it's pH balanced for your body.
tim pool
pH balanced?
I heard that they used to use coconut water as IV fluid.
ian crossland
Is that true?
I don't know if it's true.
tim pool
Yeah.
Sounds cool, though.
jack posobiec
I don't know about that.
When I was living in China, coconut milk.
I really got... I was like anywhere I could get it.
And it's big over there.
It's actually pretty big.
I was drinking coconut milk like crazy.
There was actually this Taiwanese brand that I just got really into.
tim pool
So what's the future, man?
Are we all going to be back to living in huts and caves and farmers?
ian crossland
That's what happened when Atlantis got smashed 12,800 years ago.
Historically, a comet shattered over North America.
tim pool
I want to talk about Atlantis.
ian crossland
Well, you guys are talking short term.
jack posobiec
This is before it went under Antarctica.
tim pool
Let's talk about what happened to Rome.
Let's, let's keep it.
ian crossland
Okay.
Good idea.
Political appeal.
tim pool
What happened to, what happened to the people?
jack posobiec
So look, so, so, I mean, Italy still exists, right?
I mean, like, like, like Rome as a city still exists, right?
The Roman, it got annihilated in terms of the people.
ian crossland
It got conquered and then reconquered and then conquered back and then reconquered People were living in like shelled out buildings and the
population was decimated by 90 plus percent.
jack posobiec
And so when you put all this together, right, when you do put all this together, when you
talk about the weakening of the US as a system, right, the US as a system, and then you go
to the military side and you can see, so Russia, Iran and China are telling us what we need
to do in our backyard.
And then you've got the U.S.
Navy study that comes out that says, look, we would lose a major conflict right now on the seas.
We would lose.
I say this as a former naval officer, and I think they're right.
We are not ready to fight a near-peer competitor, right?
You know, if imagine the US losing, and I'll just put it out there.
Imagine the US losing a maritime conflict over Taiwan.
Like China moves on Taiwan.
We say we're going to defend them.
We say no, we, uh, Japan comes to, you know, rallies.
Um, but Korea says, you know, not worth it maybe.
And then, uh, Australia says, you know, we'll, we'll pitch in.
Um, but really you, you know, the US is leading the whole thing and they just straight up lose.
tim pool
If that happens.
jack posobiec
Think about what that does to the American psyche.
tim pool
Not just the American psyche.
ian crossland
A decisive loss.
tim pool
What happens with the rest of the world when the United States has blood in the water and all the sharks start coming, realizing the US can't defend its allies anymore?
All it takes.
When you look at what happens in a lot of these countries, like the police breakdown in South Africa, where the cops are actually looting now.
Once the unrest gets to a certain point, people say, the cops can't stop us.
And we saw it in the United States, in Baltimore, in Ferguson.
The police can stop, you know, it's like whack-a-mole.
When the whack-a-mole's coming up really slow, the cops can go and stop unrest.
But when they keep coming up like crazy, there's not enough police to stop it.
jack posobiec
So I was in the Freddie Gray riots.
Not participating.
But the thing that got me about that was the speed.
Right, the speed at which... The whole city!
tim pool
I was driving down the street and I saw some random people walking down the street just stop and throw something through a window and climb in the rob from the store.
jack posobiec
And what blew my mind was that You knew it was going to happen.
Everyone in the city knew there's going to be riots tonight.
It'll probably be around 5, 530.
And the police were basically told.
So the governor hadn't called in the National Guard yet.
Actually, a buddy was called up in that.
But for the first night, there was no National Guard.
Right.
You had the mayor, Stephanie Rawlings-Blake, who says we need to give them room to protest.
Right.
Marilyn Mosby gives this, you heard, no justice, no peace speech, blocked me on Twitter.
unidentified
I don't know my country.
ian crossland
I'm happy.
jack posobiec
yelling about her.
Completely illegal. But I'm actually glad that that she
bought the OK Boomer girl blocked me today.
Thank you. I just said, thank God. Thank God.
Just wasn't she doing like a promo
tim pool
for a phone or something?
jack posobiec
So she was doing a promo for a Yeah.
And then someone said to her, like, Oh, are you going to do an iOS version?
And then she responds, Team Android.
Right.
And then on the tweet, because it says like, what, you know, what format?
It said tweet by iPhone on the tweet.
So I just quote tweeted that and I wrote tweet by iPhone and she blocked me.
So anyway, so everyone knows that it's going to happen.
The police are basically only deployed around certain areas.
They've made lines.
But if you happen, if you're at the Mandelman Mall, which is in North Baltimore, that place was smashed apart.
And I'll say this too, because people will get on me and say, oh, well, that was, You know, this, whatever, no, it was every race, every ethnicity, every group under the sun, Utah, Asians, Hispanic, white, black, everybody was getting in on this, right?
You were going to the Target, you were grabbing a TV, you were grabbing anything you could, we were pickup trucks full of appliances, and I would just see him just driving by with it, or a guy like holding a couple of laptop boxes, walking down the street.
I mean, it was just chaos, just mass chaos, and it was in an eye blink.
Everything that you think Our society is, right?
All of those basic, you know, unspoken, you know, the unspoken rules, but then also just the actual laws on the books disappeared.
And everybody knew it.
And everybody, it was like a purge night.
It was the only difference between, I think the first purge movie had been out at that point.
You know, the only difference was that in the purge, they actually have an announcement.
This was just sort of a tacit understanding that, hey, you know, go do crimes now.
tim pool
Here's what happens if China takes Taiwan and the U.S.
can't stop it.
That's when the rest of the world sees the United States cannot police anything.
They can't defend their allies.
And then you'll start seeing things pop up in certain areas.
The U.S.
will try to quell certain uprisings.
Allies will call for help.
The U.S.
won't be able to.
And then there it is.
ian crossland
This Taiwan thing and Hong Kong thing makes me kind of think of Cuba.
Like, I don't think the U.S.
should be involved with Taiwan and Hong Kong purely because it's China geographically right next to China, whereas I don't think they should be messing with Cuba.
Not that it's American soil and not that Taiwan is Chinese soil.
And if the Americans were to invade Cuba and take it, they would do it economically anyway.
tim pool
It's fascinating that China has, to its southeast, this island that they claim is theirs.
And the people there are not communists.
And the U.S.
is saying, don't you dare intervene or we'll stop you.
And then you have in the southeast of the U.S., Cuba, which is communist.
And you get China, Russia and Iran saying, don't you dare intervene.
jack posobiec
Which, and by the way, it's interesting enough that one thing that people leave out about the Taiwan situation, the reason they don't call themselves the country of Taiwan officially is because they still maintain that they are the sovereign power over all of China and Mongolia.
tim pool
Of course, of course.
jack posobiec
So that's Republic of China.
tim pool
What we call mainland China is actually West Taiwan.
lydia smith
That's right.
jack posobiec
Right, exactly.
ian crossland
So the government, the Republic of China, Fled to Taiwan?
This is like in the 60s or 50s?
jack posobiec
Right, so they've never officially recognized the communist government of China as the official
government. The US did under Jimmy Carter. This was something that Kissinger said they were never
going to do, that Nixon said never do this, but Carter gave official recognition. This is what
switched the seat, by the way. So the Republic of Taiwan, this is actually, it's not just an
academic thing, because prior to the 1970s, the seat on the UN Security Council for China was
actually controlled by Taiwan, because that was seen as the internationally recognized government
of China. When that switch happened, again, 1979, right?
When that switch happened, that is when...
I mean, did they?
Anything?
and then 10 years later is what Tiananmen Square.
And what was, what repercussion did China face?
What repercussion did the CCP face for the Tiananmen Square massacre?
ian crossland
I don't think anything.
I mean, did they?
Anything?
jack posobiec
Any sanctions?
They were rewarded.
They were rewarded with increased foreign domestic investment, they were said, or direct
They were told, we just need to bring them more into the order.
They just need more KFCs and more McDonald's and Saks Fifth Avenue and Gucci and Louis Vuitton and everything else.
If we can just get them more of the international order, well, they'll just be better.
This is by design.
It has nothing to do with human rights.
It has nothing to do with human agency.
It has nothing to do with all of these things, natural law, all of these things we talk about.
It's money.
It's money and power at the end of the day.
All these fancy, you know, terms and euphemisms that we can come up with.
It's just money and power at the end of the day.
They have it and they don't want you to have it.
tim pool
And the idea is that you, the pleb, will be in the renter class and they will own.
ian crossland
They don't want you, the pleb, to have it because they're afraid the pleb will unseat them?
Like, are they afraid for their livelihoods and their family and their money?
tim pool
Okay, you need to understand, Ian, that as the ignorant rabble You truly don't understand worldly affairs, and the elites need to manage all of this stuff.
Otherwise, humans simply become massively overweight and addicted to drugs and video games, and they overpopulate, and eventually the earth just falls apart.
It is incumbent upon better men to decide what you should do with your life.
jack posobiec
Remember, this is referred to as noblesse oblige.
tim pool
Don't worry.
You will own nothing, but you will be happy.
ian crossland
My question, though, is will I learn discipline?
tim pool
It won't matter.
ian crossland
I see.
Why?
tim pool
Because you won't be able to disrupt anything.
ian crossland
But do these people have discipline?
tim pool
Of course they don't.
jack posobiec
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
You can't impose discipline on our bettors.
tim pool
Right, how dare you?
jack posobiec
They are the highborn and we are the lowborn.
tim pool
The highborn!
jack posobiec
And that's what it is.
No, I go back, look, people, there's some guys getting on me for running a Game of Thrones blog, and that's like how I first, you know, kind of was operating on the internet.
And so I was getting on me over this and they were like, Oh, you're just a Game of Thrones bar.
I was like, well, I mean, I was an intelligence officer at the same time, just not publicly.
And I'm like, but that being said, I think it's actually quite useful to understanding where we're going and how we see things, right?
There is an aristocracy.
They are the highborn.
They're different factions, right?
Like the different houses.
So certainly there are different factions vying for power, but you would never see a member of one of the houses of Westeros allowing one of the... they even call them the small folk.
There's a word for this in Chinese, 老百姓, it means the old hundred names.
And so there's the idea that they are the rabble, they are the deplorables, if you will, and we are the elites, we are those in power.
tim pool
Yeah.
Why should they leave the world, the fate of the world, in the hands of people who eat, you know, who drink a quart of soda with their triple cheeseburger smothered in barbecue sauce?
jack posobiec
Wash their teeth with Mountain Dew, you know?
I'll actually tell you a story.
When I was in Shanghai, so I was at the Shanghai American Chamber of Commerce, and there is a museum in, they call it a museum, it's not really a museum, they call it the Shanghai Municipal Planning Museum, but it's actually more of a planning center.
And when, so CODELS, Congressional Delegations, or Business Delegations, or Governors, or Senators, whatever, would come to Shanghai, they would always bring them to the Municipal Planning Center, right?
And they would say, into this museum.
And the CCP members, so this is the local Shanghai party, and actually when I was there, the guy who was the chairman of the city party of Shanghai was a guy by the name of Xi Jinping, right?
He's gone on to become a little bit more prominent.
tim pool
Congratulations!
jack posobiec
I know, yeah, good for him.
tim pool
Old buddies.
jack posobiec
We always knew at the time.
I actually had the opportunity to meet him once.
And we always knew that he was going up to Politburo, but we didn't realize it was going to be that big that fast.
I always kind of referred to him as he was like the Shanghai Tony Soprano, which is how he carried himself with huge entourage, you know, overcoat, you know, off the shoulder kind of deal.
But when they would bring our leaders there, Martin O'Malley, I remember he came over when he was governor.
They would go down and they would say, wait a minute.
You guys, if you decide you want a financial sector, you can just draw on the map and say, this is going to be our financial district and boom, you just have it within 10 years and it's just there.
And if you want capital, it's just handed to you.
And if you want a high-speed rail, boom, you just get your high-speed rail and you can put it wherever you want.
You say you want an entertainment center, Disney wants a park, right?
Now Shanghai Disney has a park.
So I was actually there for, I was in some of those early planning meetings with Disney in Shanghai as they're meeting with the CCP to say, oh, hey, we're going to build our park.
We want it here.
And, you know, and then, you know, in the back of my head, I'm thinking, what about all the people who have lived there?
Those families?
These are, these are actually, there's a historic type of building that they would have in old Shanghai called the Shikumen.
And there are these really cool like interlocking houses and sort of like housing units where you'd have a courtyard and then around it people would go and then so people could meet the kids would go in the courtyard and like older couples would kind of hang out there to kind of sort of like watch over the kids teach them things and then if they were these communities everybody and it's all stone, right?
What's happening with all them?
What about all those that are there?
Wiped out.
Destroyed.
Demolished.
tim pool
Do they give them money or anything?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
In China, you can't own anything.
unidentified
You cannot own land.
jack posobiec
You don't even, in China, you can't, funny enough, in China you can't own anything.
Right, you lease it.
You cannot own land, right?
You can lease it for about 99 years, but the government always owns all the land.
ian crossland
Meaning they can take it at any moment.
jack posobiec
Actually, it is theirs.
It's already theirs.
Actually, the word communism in Mandarin, 共产主义, literally means public property-ism.
If you translate it directly, 共产, it means public property.
So private ownership is the opposite of communism.
ian crossland
A little aside, have you guys ever heard or played Romance of the Three Kingdoms or read the novel?
jack posobiec
I've read the novel, yeah.
ian crossland
From 1600s, Lo Guang Xiao wrote it.
One of the heroes is Lu Bei, who's this guy who wants to restore the Han Dynasty.
The emperor has fallen and all these warlords are vying for power, but this one guy who's kind of the moral hero of the story wants to restore the old empire.
And they make him this massive hero, and I'm realizing, this is...
CCP prop.
This is propaganda, man.
This is imperial propaganda.
We're supposed to love the Han.
jack posobiec
Have you ever watched Hero with Jet Li?
ian crossland
Negative.
jack posobiec
Well, spoiler, that's kind of the ending.
What they've realized is that... He's a rebel who then joins the Empire.
It's like Luke Skywalker joining the Emperor at the end, killing his friends.
tim pool
Yeah.
You know, what's it called, Hero?
jack posobiec
To finish off my story, though, are all the American leaders that would come through Shanghai, they would say, this is great.
This is awesome.
How do I get this?
I want that.
I want to bring that to the US.
They weren't going over there and learning and teaching China how to do things.
They were going over there and saying, hey, I want this back home.
We need some of that.
Authoritarianism is... We need more of this.
We need people with their little lives.
They're just in our way.
We're going to tell them what's what.
We're going to get this type of control.
tim pool
And that's exactly what started to happen.
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Beginning with...
Turk Longwell says, Tim, before Twitter banned me for loving America, I once got a poso bump from him retweeting me.
Sadly, it only lasted for a month still.
Thanks, Jack.
There you go.
jack posobiec
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unidentified
I knew it.
ian crossland
There you go.
lydia smith
I knew it.
tim pool
Yeah, I told you I have the slippers, right?
Actually, they're downstairs.
jack posobiec
I got them for my dad.
They're good.
I got them for my dad for Father's Day.
He won't take them off.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack posobiec
He wears them everywhere.
tim pool
They're legit good.
All right, Brandizzle says, please Google preparing for a hurricane and take a look at the suggested guidelines.
I think you will find it informative.
lydia smith
I've seen it.
unidentified
That's right.
lydia smith
It says get vaccinated.
tim pool
What?
Wait, what?
lydia smith
Yeah, from COVID.
jack posobiec
All right.
I'll have to look at that.
tim pool
Alright, let's see what we got.
Alexander Dominguez says, This is different than the US going to the Middle East.
The people of Cuba overwhelmingly want the US there.
Help us end communism in our country.
What if Cuba became the 51st state?
It's like Puerto Rico and Guam.
ian crossland
I love the idea from a distance without knowing much about it.
jack posobiec
I don't know why.
You know, there's a lot of talk about it.
tim pool
It'd be Republican.
jack posobiec
I mean, you don't have to go back very far to the 1950s, you know, 1959 is the revolution, but you don't have to go back far.
Even in the musical, what is it?
Guys and Dolls, right?
There's actually a scene in there where they just fly from New York to Havana and he takes this girl on the date.
Sky Mastodon takes her out on this date.
And so it was just seen as like a place you could go in the Caribbean very easily.
And so there was actually talk of, funny enough, the Confederacy was talking about conquering Cuba at one point and using that as a readout in a very, you know, kind of an eerie sort of like mirror version of what happened with Taiwan and China, right?
They were talking about taking over Cuba and making that a confederate state at one point.
tim pool
Did you see the story about the George Floyd mural?
jack posobiec
The lightning?
Yeah, I saw that.
tim pool
Let me tell you a story.
So the other day, after we finished the show, Cassandra messaged me and she's like, whoa.
And it's a story.
George Floyd mural destroyed by lightning strike.
Doppler radar confirms a lightning strike occurred in the area around 430 p.m.
And the building is structurally sound.
The building is still totally fine.
It's the outer brick wall that got blown out by the lightning strike.
Only the George Floyd mural.
And I checked immediately, you know what I did?
I checked the weather in Toledo for that day.
And it was sunny all day, except for this moment where a storm gathered over the building, lightning struck the mural, and then immediately the storm dissipates.
And like, when you look at the photos, you can see the ground is mostly dry, and there's like a little bit of water, like you can see the discoloration a little bit.
And it's like, the weather said it was sunny with scattered clouds all day.
No reported rain.
Yet rain forms, lightning strikes the building, and then the rain leaves.
So a lot of people are like, immediately saying, I'm gonna go to church on Sunday this time.
jack posobiec
Well, you know what you gotta say with a story like that?
Holy Toledo.
ian crossland
Dude, I've worked out.
I've spent time moving the clouds.
I mean, we're bodies that have electromagnetic, you know, toruses of energy.
You're dynamo.
And the clouds are also lightweight electromagnetic energy.
I've had very explicit events where clouds have spun, like I was working out, and the clouds start to spin and then part.
And you can see the moon in a whole... I mean, we are connected to this planet in so many ways.
tim pool
I don't know about that.
ian crossland
The Schumann resonance is this weird, like, extremely low frequency of resonance in our... Me and Jack just look at each other like, what's he talking about?
...in the upper magnetosphere of Earth.
But I mean, lightning, I think it's more connected to human consciousness than we realize.
jack posobiec
Did you say magneto?
ian crossland
Yeah, the magnetosphere.
tim pool
Ian, you're not Storm.
You don't control the weather.
ian crossland
It's just a guess, but I think in a thousand years, they'll be like, wow, they didn't.
They'll be rain dancing again.
They had no idea.
They thought it was just some... that it was just there.
They didn't realize.
tim pool
Well, I'll say this, look.
The simple solution with stories like this is, like, buildings get struck by lightning all the time, and we don't care.
Like, it's not news.
But this one happened to have a mural on it, so all of a sudden we're like, oh, it's a sign, it's an act of God, or whatever.
Well, I think insurance companies would call it an act of God.
You know?
So, their insurance would pay for it.
Whether or not it's actually a sign from some divine creator, I'll tell you, it's a crazy story.
ian crossland
There's like ancient history.
jack posobiec
I mean, was there anything metallic on the, you know, the side there?
What, you know, that's what I'm trying to break.
What attracted, or it's like when, you know, when we take our kids to the, um, you know, the pool, we have a pool that we take them.
And, but, you know, just the other day there was a, you know, there was some thunder and it was like, okay, out of the pool, just straight up, get out of the pool.
Does it, you know, come, we're going to go inside.
ian crossland
So, you know, I'm just wondering if there's something that... They've got the Native American rain dance.
I mean, they believed they could call the rain.
Ancient Chinese warriors could call the rain.
jack posobiec
Ancient societies around the world believed that there was a direct connection between human action and weather.
That is an individual fact.
I mean, the butterfly effect.
tim pool
Hey, how about that one?
All right, Archangel says, First Super Chat.
I love the show and everyone on it.
Jack, what is your favorite Sabaton song and album?
jack posobiec
Uh, I mean, my favorite song is The Winged Hussars, obviously.
Favorite hit of an album, probably Last Stand.
I'd have to go with that.
I'm still debating whether I want to go see them twice or three times on their upcoming tour.
lydia smith
Tough call.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Sorta, oh, I can't read your name, but thanks for the super chat.
Says, Tim, would you be willing to bring on Edward Snowden, Julian Assange, or Bo Bergdahl?
Bring on the dissidents.
jack posobiec
Bo Bergdahl is not a dissident.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Who's Bo Bergdahl?
jack posobiec
Bo Bergdahl is a guy who deserted and tried to join the Taliban.
unidentified
Oh.
lydia smith
Not great.
jack posobiec
I definitely would not put him in the same category.
tim pool
Yeah, Snowden and Julian Assange I'm familiar with.
Bergdahl, not so much.
jack posobiec
Maybe, I mean, perhaps they meant Manning.
ian crossland
Yeah.
jack posobiec
Perhaps they meant Chelsea Manning.
ian crossland
I was gonna say Eli Manning.
tim pool
I'll tell you, the Chelsea Manning story is really interesting because, you know, when Chelsea goes into prison, Coming out the entire left-right paradigm was mirrored and
completely fractured Like wiki leaks was now the bad guy. So
What do you do in that situation where you're like you're on the left? You're like go wiki leaks
jack posobiec
I'll support you the left is in this weird position where there were like
pro Chelsea Manning, but anti Julian Assange Right.
Whereas it's like, wait, what?
But they together created what, you know, became, you know, that whole Chelsea Manning, Cassandra Fairbanks thing was really twisted stuff.
ian crossland
What was it?
tim pool
I mean, I can't go through the whole story about it, but they were... I don't want to speak too much.
I'm friends with Cassandra, and I don't know exactly what happened, but I think it's just like they were friends because Cassandra very much supports WikiLeaks and Chelsea, but then Chelsea was Antifa and Cassandra was a Trump supporter, so there was this weird...
Like thing that happened and I guess something happened with like Chelsea claiming she was infiltrating the right or something like that I don't she showed up to the I was there.
jack posobiec
It was at the a night for freedom in New York City I actually was the person who made sure That she had a comp ticket and was able to get in my brother was was manning the door and I said hey manning And I said hey just so you know Chelsea Manning's going to come in.
I know there is some Antif outside, but you know, just, you know, here's a photo just so you know, let me give me a call to make sure everything's cool.
And we had, I think we had like BuzzFeed there and a guy who, Charlie Roselle, who he's now, he was a New York Times writer and now he's like a Substack guy.
Who was there?
And we had a guy from New Yorker who was there.
And so suddenly it became this huge thing that, you know, Chelsea Manning's at this event with the new right.
And and then Chelsea... Well, they didn't say new right.
Yeah.
And then and then Chelsea had to put out this big like, oh, no, it was an infiltration operation.
And I was there to, you know, find out.
And it's like it was a public event.
Like we sold tickets.
tim pool
Think about what there was a lot of people who they one day woke up to find that their friends on the left had completely flipped.
And I know this firsthand.
I know a lot of people have experienced this.
And I guess if you are moderately weak-willed, it's brain-breaking.
So there's like, I'm friends with a ton of, or I should say, yeah, I still would consider myself to be friends with a lot of the old hacker community, a lot of these more prominent hackers and things like that, although mostly it's like kind of broken up quite a bit.
The OG hackers from like the late 2000s, or I shouldn't say OG, but like some of the prominent hackers of that day, anonymous type individuals, telecomics, these people were heavily involved, have stayed true to their principles and are still friends with a lot of people.
But a very large sect of the hacker community became authoritarian leftists, and it's really weird.
Like, at the HOPE event, it's called Hackers on Planet Earth, they threw out a guy because he had a MAGA hat on.
At first, the security guards were like, we don't care if you have a MAGA hat.
Like, the hacker community is subversive, anti-establishment.
But all of a sudden, like, core elements of the hacker community were very much like, oh, EGAD!
Trump supporters!
Oh, we must support the FBI and the establishment!
So you have to imagine there, these people, in the early, I mean, it's crazy to look back.
I love referencing Rap News, I think number six, because it was a left-wing video praising Julian Assange, criticizing Hillary Clinton, and showing Alex Jones, it's a caricature by the way, claiming the commie Nazi fascists are coming.
Now, I guess Alex Jones is called the fascist.
Hillary Clinton was the good guy.
Julian Assange was the bad guy.
Really amazing to see that 10 years ago, that was the left.
Now that's the right!
I've been saying this for years.
If Juice Media, okay?
The Juice Media guys put out a ton of left-wing videos, leftist videos.
If they made Rap News today, they would be called far-right fascists.
No joke.
Go watch Rap News 6.
It's hilarious.
It's amazing.
It's pro-Julian Assange.
It's about Cablegate.
It's from 2010, I think.
And you can see how the left used to be pro-free speech, anti-Hillary Clinton, and— Wait, wait, there's one you're missing, though.
jack posobiec
Isn't it kind of interesting, and when I talk about this idea of the overstate, right?
George W. Bush is suddenly treated as if he's, like, on this team.
tim pool
They love him.
ian crossland
When he went on Ellen.
jack posobiec
They love him.
He goes on Ellen.
He does all this different stuff.
And it's like, we've just welcomed him back.
This was a guy who—I'm old enough to remember all of the Bush years, right?
I mean, he was Hitler.
He was a Nazi.
He was a war criminal.
He was the guy who lied and got us into—actually did lie to get us into Iraq, by the way.
Um, and all, all of these different things, he was the scum of the earth, but, but, but at least, and this goes back to my earlier contentions, the game of thrones thing, high born versus the low born.
And I was just, by the way, up in Southern Maine where the Bush's have their Kenny one port, you know, of course they're, Oh, excuse me.
No, no, no, no.
They're from Texas, right?
They're from Texas.
They don't have a, a big new England hideout where they hang out, even though he's born in Connecticut.
Um, They are part of the highborn.
They are part of the aristocracy, right?
So even though that one faction was completely against him, right?
He still maintains his prestige.
And this is, by the way, actual privilege, right?
We're not talking about like, like, like SJW, you know, critical race privilege.
This is actual privilege.
tim pool
It's like, you know, you might fight with people in your family, but you don't let, like, you could be yelling about how your sister's dumb and she stole your stereo or something, but then when, you know, so the kid at high school insults your sister, you say, don't talk about my sister that way.
But then you go home and say the same thing about her, right?
So the highborn very much are like, George W. Bush is trash.
And then when it comes to the highborn versus the, what is it, lowborn?
jack posobiec
Is that what the word is?
tim pool
Lowborn, yeah.
Then all of a sudden they're like, leave him alone, he's one of us.
All right, we got one from BlackrockBeacon.
He says, Ian, thank you for telling everyone what Blackrock refers to mythologically.
Scrying to uncover hidden truth.
It's why I used it for my media brand.
ian crossland
BlackrockBeacon, you are awesome.
And I highly recommend, if anyone is interested... Is that what the insidious is for?
Yeah, this is the Blackrock.
The scrying stone.
It's really interesting.
It feels...
Like, I use crystal balls as well.
This is volcanic glass.
I don't know if it's crystal.
I don't think it's crystal.
But you can store heat in it.
You know, use Reiki.
But I mean, it's just... I don't know about all that.
It is.
Oh, you will.
tim pool
Reiki?
ian crossland
Put it in your palm, dude.
You just cradle it in your palm.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
The Civic Nationalist says, I think everyone forgets how the 1930s German NSDAP got into power.
It wasn't a violent takeover.
It was a slow 10-year process to the camps.
Everyone should remember that.
Not a shot, but thunderous applause.
Stay safe, US.
And I think we're watching that happen.
jack posobiec
And what did they use?
tim pool
What did they use?
jack posobiec
They used to pass the Reichstag.
It was the Reichstag.
tim pool
The Burning Proclamation.
The Enabling Act.
jack posobiec
It was an assault on their parliament that they used to say, we need to pass these emergency measures.
It's just to stop the current insurrection.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
These playbooks have been played out so many times in the past, you don't need to go back.
And I'm not one of those guys who says you have to compare everything to the 1930s.
But in that one specific instance, you can actually see it was an assault on their capital, which they used to declare emergency.
ian crossland
September 11th, man, they nailed the Pentagon or whatever.
The Pentagon got hit by a plane or whatever the story is.
And then the Patriot Act got signed.
All of our civil liberties.
Essentially, that's like the Enabling Act of the 21st century.
tim pool
And then ten years later, Barack Obama signed the indefinite detention provisions in the National Defense Authorization Act, which allows the US government to effectively rendition anyone, anywhere, for any reason, permanently.
That could be you, in your bed at night, just black bagged like Creedy.
jack posobiec
Yeah, no, and I'll say this straight up, right?
I was a guy who joined the Intel community.
I thought, boy, this is the way.
I'm saving America.
I'm keeping people safe.
This is the way to do it, right?
You know, we have these powers, we have these tools, but we're, you know, we're using them against the bad guys.
Right, so we would never use this against our own people.
That'd be crazy, right?
So it's okay that the U.S.
has these problems, or has these powers.
I'm here to say, civil libertarians were 100% right on that.
Or really, anyone who lived through the Vietnam era or understands the Vietnam era, 100% right.
tim pool
Alright, Josh Latofsky says we should ask Elon to smuggle Starlinks into Cuba to let the people get the word out to bypass the government censorship.
The one issue, currently Starlink are, they're sat locked.
So each individual link can only connect to one satellite.
Yeah, it's a bummer.
So until they activate the actual satellites, it's like they're slowly implementing one at a time.
jack posobiec
What they really would need is mesh networks.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
So with mesh networks, you can set up your own communication sphere.
One that the only way the government would be able to get into it is if they have access to your direct mesh network.
And if you have encryption that they can't break and you can change that up enough, I have no background in this whatsoever from the military that, you know, that essentially they'd be able to get some comes up or like what they were doing in Iran.
They were essentially setting up like, you know, how we have airdrop, you know, where it's this sort of like Bluetooth enabled communications.
They were able to use, I forget what the app was, but it now allows you to create a text messaging within, you know, maybe like a hundred meters or so that you can get something across that's not going over any network.
tim pool
Alright, Jank Media says, Jack, are you aware of the Fat Leonard scandal from Comlogue Westpac?
I was stationed there and worked with lots of people involved.
Wild story.
jack posobiec
What was that?
I'll never forget the Lady Gaga tickets were part of that.
Oh man, it's so hard to break this down.
tim pool
It's a long story.
jack posobiec
It's a super long story.
But essentially, it comes down in the fast way to break it down is essentially that when a ship pulls into port somewhere, the question of which company so this this bleeds into that military industrial complex, but in terms of not only domestic companies, but also international companies, when when a US Navy ship has to pull in somewhere, right?
Then, okay, who fuels the ship?
Where do they get their food?
Where do they get any of the supplies?
And when you're talking about an aircraft carrier, just one aircraft carrier, that's 5,000 people.
That is a floating city, right?
Not to mention all the other crews that might be on it, contractors, et cetera, et cetera.
So who gets the money?
How are those contracts done?
This is all called, this is your sourcing and procurement.
So the procurement process for this.
And with Fat Leonard, he was this, I believe it was Malaysian?
guy who was just bribing the hell out of admirals and captains and anyone up and down the chain in that procurement background that to make sure that it was always his people and his companies that got involved.
So he got busted.
And I always remember that one of the things they used to bribe was like Lady Gaga tickets.
tim pool
Amazing.
jack posobiec
But it was it was big.
Actually, some pretty big name people went down over that.
tim pool
Wow.
Logan Culver says Michael Malice is a term for the Wii.
It's the cathedral.
jack posobiec
So I think cathedral is, I've heard that term as well.
I know that he's not the only person who uses that.
I just, I also think that it's, I think it's a bit too esoteric for some people to think, you know, cathedral is like a place, right?
tim pool
And it's something you can go to.
You have to kind of understand the history of what it's referring to.
jack posobiec
Right.
So you do need a lot of understanding for that.
And I... My own smart guy.
I don't get it wrong.
I think it's a great term.
tim pool
When you get real smart, you start getting a bit esoteric.
jack posobiec
But it is.
I think it's a little too esoteric.
And that's why.
So the reason I say overstate is because it's sort of a playoff of the deep state.
ian crossland
Yeah.
What's the difference?
jack posobiec
Right.
So what is the difference?
Right.
Great example.
So the deep state, if you understand that term, that's sort of like that.
Typically, I think people refer to the bureaucracy.
in in our government, right?
They would refer to that and say, well, this is, you know, the the underlings, the sort of the permanent class, the administrative divisions of the U.S.
government that originally were supposed to just be subservient to the president in the executive branch, but now have grown.
And this is the very Wilsonian idea of an expansive executive where they have just become this own organic state.
Right.
And this is this is the progressive, small progressive vision for how a state.
It's a very German idea, by the way, that the state would become its own organism.
That would be self-perpetuating.
And it's very similar to the British Civil Service.
However, the overstate, that gets into all of these other facets of power, right?
These other nodes of power that all seem to be working in concert with one another.
So the fact is that it goes beyond just what we know as an official government agency or a government body, but all these other nodes of power that are able to then filter in and make these decisions.
So when Lina Wen, who's You know, okay, she's the former president of Planned Parenthood, but she's not a government official in any capacity.
She's not elected in any capacity to anything.
And yet she has power.
She has influence.
ian crossland
So Zuckerberg, not deep state, overstate.
jack posobiec
Overstate.
And because in a very real sense, they are supranational, like supra.
They are above the state.
unidentified
All right.
jack posobiec
In German it would be überstatt.
tim pool
James Nelson says, schism occurred in 2008 with election of Obama.
Anyone opposed his policies was labeled racist by MSM.
One tea party formed to push back.
First time cons stood up, called racist, Trump elected, deplorables.
I could say it goes back to 2000, when you literally had this legal battle over the presidency and people were like, not my president and they were fighting.
George, George W. Bush got in and they screamed he was Hitler and all this other stuff.
jack posobiec
Remember Selected Not Elected?
tim pool
Yeah.
jack posobiec
That was the big refrain.
Hail to the Thief.
tim pool
The important thing to understand is, this all actually goes back to, everything can be traced back to one simple thing.
Thomas Jefferson saying that the revolution needed the support of South Carolina and Georgia, thus he removed the anti-slavery statements from the Declaration of Independence.
And then from there, you ended up with conflict between northern states and southern states, and then the parties became the Democrats and the Republicans, which ultimately formed basically... The Democratic Party existed, they were the Democratic-Republicans, but then the Civil War starts.
We've basically never left the Civil War.
If you really look at the policies, the conflict, the political divisions in the parties, it's like... It's all...
This is not meant to be some profound statement.
It's basically just everything is derivative of something.
You know what I mean?
When they're like, oh, it all started here in 2008.
It's like 2000.
And you go back to Clinton.
Why did Clinton get elected?
Why did, you know, Reagan get elected?
jack posobiec
And remember Clinton, and this is something that I think a lot of people miss when they talk about Clinton, he was a southern governor.
tim pool
That's right.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
Arkansas.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
And now Hillary, remember, I don't have to move down to Little Rock, you know, you know, but that he was a because so he was seen as and and, you know, I don't people are going to get hit me hit me on the spot.
He was more of a centrist president, particularly after the 1994 revolution, because Newt Gingrich basically made him be more of a centrist, balanced the budget, pushed for particularly conservative or so you would say social conservative issues of the day.
Tipper Gore was pro-censorship, you know.
She was censoring parental guidance stickers on all of your CD cases.
And you knew if you got the prevental guidance one that that was the good one.
That was the good version.
That was the one you wanted.
That was Democrats.
That was all Democrats.
And Al Gore, Tennessee.
ian crossland
Yeah.
You know, I fully agree with this Obama thing.
I was thinking this while we were talking about it earlier.
I had a lot of friends that were like ready to be radical to overturn this corrupt system in 2007.
And then Obama came.
We were like, this is the guy.
He's gonna let us do it.
He's not gonna stop us.
tim pool
It wasn't Obama.
It was George W. Bush being selected.
ian crossland
But when Obama was in There was a moment where I realized he got co-opted, when he was like, Trans-Pacific Partnership, and other people didn't see it.
tim pool
And those people went on to become, now, this crazy- Wasn't there an interview, like, right when Obama won the Senate seat, he was asked if he was gonna run for president, and he was like, uh-huh, you know, maybe, or something like that.
With 2000, there was a split in the country fairly evenly.
W. Bush won, half the country said, this is BS, Bush got us involved in a bunch of wars, and then they were like, Obama is that revolution.
jack posobiec
And then Al Gore would have got us involved in the exact same thing.
Oh, of course, of course, of course.
I always laugh when people say, oh, Bush... Al Gore would have done the exact same thing.
ian crossland
You don't think it was Cheney?
You think it was bigger, deeper?
jack posobiec
I think it was way... It's the machine, bro.
You can't... It's tempting to want to try to pin this on like one person, but it's not, right?
These are power machines.
These are power machines.
tim pool
All right, Aaron says, Jack, you convey what's happening so simply, the value of that cannot be overstated.
I just dropped a podcast on how the left is dividing us in two separate nations with separate flags and anthems.
Can I get a shout out for Into the Fray podcast?
Hey, there you go, buddy.
jack posobiec
I completely agree.
You know, the flags situation is, I mean, that's a direct blow, right?
You can now go and when you see houses and they have an American flag, there is a greater chance that that will be a Republican or at least a veteran who's in that house, right?
And then having other flags, other anthems, right?
These are huge problems when it comes to national cohesion.
It would not even have been considered when I was growing up in the 90s.
It wouldn't have even been, it was beyond the pale to even conceive of such a thing.
tim pool
I'm not super familiar with, I've read a decent amount of Epoch, is it Epoch Times?
Tim, any chance of getting Larry Elder or Tiffany Meyer on the show?
Also, what would you rate the Epoch Times and NTD News credibility-wise?
I'm not super familiar with... I've read a decent amount of Epoch...
Is it Epoch Times?
Epoch, I think so.
ian crossland
You're sure?
It's not epic?
That's how you spell epic for like the epics of history.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's epic because there's a commercial where they call it, they themselves call it epic times.
jack posobiec
I see, fuck.
tim pool
Yeah.
The articles I've read from them have been fairly good, but I know NewsGuard says they're fake news, but not that NewsGuard is the end-all be-all.
The articles I've seen from them have actually been pretty decent.
jack posobiec
I've been reading—so when I lived in China all those years ago, it was about 15 years, and I would say, like, I want to learn more about the CCP, I want to learn more about—just from a historical standpoint, right?
And I'd go to Chinese sources, and it would all be pro-CCP.
And then I would say, all right, well, let me let me read some Western newspapers and see what they're talking about.
And that was all pro-CCP.
And I was digging around.
There's got to be somebody who's just talking about like, where's all that stuff I learned about in history class?
Where's the the massacres of Chairman Mao and the Great Leap Forward and all these other things?
The Epoch Times.
Yeah, I found them 15 years ago.
And I was reading them and saying, like, they were the only ones who were actually just telling the truth.
ian crossland
Interesting.
tim pool
All right, Lamer says, the scariest thing about societal collapse is that there is no coming back.
There are no energy sources that can fuel an industrial civilization that can be reached without modern technology.
We fall and we don't get back up.
I don't necessarily agree.
I think typically what you see with societal collapse is that many of the knowledge persists.
Well, I'll put it blunt.
After the Black Plague, when most of the population got wiped out, the knowledge of the technology they had remained, and they were able to then implement that, and then they flourished, and there was a renaissance and things like that.
ian crossland
Although the Roman, when the empire fell apart, a lot of that technology was lost.
A lot of, like, how to build aqueducts and sewage and all that.
tim pool
The underwater cement.
ian crossland
That's interesting.
jack posobiec
I was actually, I was at this, uh, uh, this sort of like off the book summit recently with, um, some pretty high level people.
And this one guy, um, he said, you know, looking at things the way I look at things is it's, it's kind of interesting where it seems like all the people who are in power now, like, It's like they've been handed the keys, but not the instruction manual.
Yeah.
And the instruction or the memo like just put like each generation is supposed to write a memo to the next generation or that sort of history of like presidents writing letters to their successors or in like National Treasure.
They have the president's book.
You remember that's like a big like the secrets of the country.
But it's almost like the memo got lost, and so the people who are in control now just have no clue what they're doing.
They've lost the memo.
The memo got lost somewhere.
ian crossland
I think it's because we're putting people in power by popularity contests.
We're getting a bunch of idiots in power.
No, it's just because people like them.
tim pool
Yeah, but it's an elite club who's able to run, you know?
jack posobiec
Right, but I mean, there's the politicians and then there's the people in power.
tim pool
Chris Adkins says, I have to know, how do you feel about Crowder's Change My Mind?
I have never once seen him demand that someone sit down, only willing participants.
It's an excellent show.
It's very smart.
I think he originally called it Real Conversations.
jack posobiec
Great meme.
Just hands down great meme.
Total breakout meme.
Love it.
tim pool
I wanted to do something, and I think we will, something akin to, like, real conversations.
The goal is to interview regular people out in these different cities, not to change their minds or ours, but to literally be like, what do you think about these things?
And then just show, like, find someone who's conservative, like, left, right, and independent, and then just have them, like, generally talk and do a podcast where it's like, so how do you feel about this?
Wow, interesting.
How do you feel about that?
And just kind of keep it real, keep it raw.
jack posobiec
I'd love to do that, but maybe, you know, and then at the end I'm like, okay, but did you realize that the one that you picked wasn't my pillow?
It was more comfortable.
tim pool
All right.
Hexmare says, Hey Tim, Ham radio operator here.
Cuba is actively jamming the 40 meter frequency band right now.
Not only did they kill the internet, but actively affecting worldwide communications to stop info.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Crazy.
jack posobiec
Yeah, my dad was a big CB guy growing up.
And so, you know, you know, he always showed us how to do that.
We had the big antenna on the roof.
And then it back then it was like, Hey, I'm talking to a guy in Norway, I'm talking to a guy in Jamaica, you know, and be able to and that idea of you can be able to get a hold of him driving around, you know, truckers and stuff like that.
But the idea of being able to, like, he instilled in me that the importance of being able to have communications and have that network that, and radio is just out there, right?
It's not something that anyone can, unless you jam it, right?
If you have state, you'd need state power to be able to do something like that.
But for the most part, and you can go do another channel, but you have to get everyone on that channel to find it.
But it's that idea of, you know, any societal collapse type situation, that these are the types of communication.
Hello.
My dad was actually a Y2K guy.
ian crossland
We were looking at getting like a ham radio or like a shortwave radio or something, but I was looking at them.
There's a huge array of them cost-wise to up to like 20 grand.
You can see these massive.
Do you have any experience?
Do you think, or if anyone out there knows and wants to give me some advice on Twitter, which one should I get?
Because we could like encode, we can encode what our frequency band is.
You know, if, if, if it really hits the fan.
jack posobiec
I will, I will talk to my dad and we'll set it up.
tim pool
Alright, everybody, thanks for hanging out.
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We got deleted from TikTok briefly.
All our videos were deleted.
And then I tweeted, lol, TikTok deleted all our videos.
And then a few minutes later, after tweeting it, they put them all back up.
jack posobiec
We are very sorry.
unidentified
The relationship between friends and your TikTok is not very good.
jack posobiec
We are sorry.
Please forgive us.
tim pool
Seconded.
What did you say?
jack posobiec
We're so sorry.
Thank you for the apology.
tim pool
And then all of a sudden it just reappeared after I tweeted about it.
I wonder if what really... I don't know.
I don't know what happened.
I really don't.
ian crossland
Correlation is not causation.
tim pool
Well, all the videos are just gone.
jack posobiec
So wait, the videos are gone or the account was gone?
tim pool
No, the account was there.
All the videos were gone.
And then I tweeted about it, and then a few minutes after that, like a half an hour, they all came back.
ian crossland
Could've been a bug.
Never know.
tim pool
Just a glitch, Mr. Poole.
Just a glitch, Mr. Poole.
And when another account we had tried to test upload similar content, it was also removed.
Yeah, and other content on the site was available I think it was I think because I tweeted about it and it created a stink and people started saying woo And you know some people were like we're gonna write about it.
We'll see what happens and all of a sudden it comes back They said what they said they said woo Anyway, anyway, follow me at Timcast.
People are like, why are you on TikTok?
Because we go where the culture war is happening.
It's like, if there's a culture war happening, we'll send the message.
It's kind of interesting when people are like, yeah, but, you know, TikTok is Chinese, like, why would you, or it's China, like, why would you want to go?
It's a communist party.
On that platform, I'm like, If we have people in China who are pro-freedom or Hong Kong, don't we want to send them messages and let them know what's happening?
jack posobiec
Guess who's listening to you on Google and iTunes and everything else?
It's like, okay, the CIA gets you here, MSS gets you there.
tim pool
Well, we're just trying to make sure that we're not going to be like, I refuse to engage in this area because it's controlled by this group.
Well, no, let's flood the zone with Smack talking the Chinese Communist Party.
That's fantastic.
So anyway, follow me personally at Timcast and of course, we do the show Monday through Friday live.
We're gonna have a bonus segment up at Timcast.com, so go become a member.
You want to shout anything out, Jack?
jack posobiec
Yeah, yeah, you know, I plugged MyPillow a whole bunch.
We actually are doing some, we actually do have a page up.
So mypillow.com slash poso.
We're going to be putting just exclusive deals up there.
One cool thing I actually got my son.
It's Bible stories.
So if you're someone who's Christian, it's just Bible stories for kids like a little pillow.
We got him Jesus.
There's also there's like Noah, Daniel Lyons, just a bunch of cool different things.
And then for all latest news, updates, etc.
It's humanevents.com.
Ton of stuff coming out, working on a scoop that I can't get into too much right now.
I was like halfway done it.
So I think I'm probably going to finish it in the morning.
But it has to do with the Department of Justice and inner city crime and what they are teaching people from the highest levels of the DOJ and the White House about this.
tim pool
Right on.
ian crossland
Well, times may be confusing, but we can do this together as humans.
We're extremely innovative.
Technology is at our fingertips, so let's use it.
And if you want to get a piece of obsidian, I highly recommend it.
It's not like any other stone I've ever held in my hand.
I really like it.
jack posobiec
You know, in Game of Thrones, obsidian is like the main mystical... Really?
You know, it's what kills the White Walkers and the others.
tim pool
But they don't call it obsidian.
jack posobiec
They call it dragonglass.
Dragonglass.
ian crossland
Love it!
So get your piece of dragonglass.
jack posobiec
There you go!
lydia smith
You guys may follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Lids as I attempt to have more followers than Sour Patch Kids.
I just want to say to all you people questioning why we're on places like YouTube and TikTok, we are there because we're attempting to draw people to our site, which is our attempt to combat on the Culture Wars playing field to get them off those sites and to get into our own site.
But yeah, you guys are welcome to follow me on Twitter at Sour Patch Lids.
jack posobiec
Jesus said, go where the sinners are.
tim pool
We will see all of you at TimCast.com.
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