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Timcast IRL - Biden's Ratings CRASH, Liberals Go Back To Sleep Paving Way For GOP w/Libby Emmons
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tim pool
ladies and gentlemen this is a rough day man You normally were doing pre-production about an hour before the show.
We have a bunch of stories throughout the day that we're looking at, what we're planning on talking about.
And then we like to come up to the studio, make sure the lights and the cameras are working, think about what stories we got.
But today, there was a tornado!
And it was directly due west.
Heading directly due east and so we we got the warning that the tornado was coming and we're like okay so we got to bring everything inside and we're rushing and then we're worried about the chickens like what do we do with the chickens and so we're actually we're we almost brought them in as well but tornado did pass us however it was pretty like I don't want to say it was scary because I've dealt with tornado warnings before But we actually had, you know, the mail service, you know, the mail carrier come out here and they were like, heads up, the tornadoes, this is legit, like, people are freaking out.
Now we're in a mountainy area, so it probably broke it up a little bit.
But it passed just north of us, so we're all good.
We're all alive and we're doing the show.
And, uh, but I tweeted and I'm just basically saying this because in the event people saw the tweet, I don't know if we were okay.
We survived.
And, uh, for some reason we lost internet.
We had to like fix the internet, but that was probably due to the storm, I guess.
But, uh, we're here and we have news.
Biden is, uh, not doing too well.
His ratings were ridiculously low for his speech, not really a State of the Union, and we're seeing TV ratings collapse.
Now, some have argued this is good.
It means Joe Biden can sneak through all this ridiculous spending right under the nose of the American people.
And I hate to say it, but I think most things go under the nose of the American people because they're not paying attention.
So what's really happening is good news, sort of.
Democrats, traditional liberal types, the voters, aren't paying attention.
They've gone to sleep.
That means Republicans, who are still fired up and angry, the anti-woke and disaffected liberals, are still on the offensive, and the Democrats have lost their support base.
So we're going to talk about this.
We've got a bunch of other stories, too.
It's getting scary out there if you're paying attention to the cost of goods, gasoline, lumber, wood.
It's skyrocketing in price.
At the same time, cryptocurrencies are going way up.
So we'll get in all that as well.
And then we got some crazy news, too.
Apparently Dr. Strange, for those Marvel fans, Dr. Strange wasn't in WandaVision.
Maybe you don't know what those things are.
This is a show on Disney+.
Do you know why Dr. Strange wasn't included in the show?
It's perhaps because he's a white male.
No joke, apparently.
That's what the reporting we're seeing is.
So yeah, we'll talk about that, too.
And joining us today is the editor-in-chief of the Post Millennial, Libby Emmons.
How's it going?
libby emmons
It's going really well.
unidentified
Thanks.
tim pool
Do you want to just give us a quick brief intro?
libby emmons
Sure.
I'm Libby Emmons.
I'm the editor-in-chief with the Postmillennial.
We're a Canadian center-right publication.
We cover a lot of American news, a lot of culture stories.
Andy Ngo is our editor-at-large.
It's great to work with Andy.
tim pool
Right on.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
So we'll be talking about stuff.
libby emmons
Yeah.
We'll be talking about lots of stuff and things.
tim pool
Excellent.
Ian, he's chilling.
unidentified
Yeah.
Hey, everybody.
Ian Crossland over here.
I'm excited to get to the bottom of this Joe Biden saying no one that made $400,000 is going to have to pay a penny less in taxes.
tim pool
One of the reasons his ratings are probably down, at least they're hoping, is that the man can't speak.
Joe Biden was like, nobody who makes under $400,000 will pay a single penny in taxes.
I'm like, does that mean that you don't have to pay taxes up to $400,000?
unidentified
He must have meant a penny more than they used to pay.
tim pool
Nope, it's legally binding.
unidentified
He said it.
Okay.
Thanks, Joe.
Yeah.
libby emmons
I was wondering what kind of taxes he's talking about.
Is this just income taxes or can we get in on some sales tax?
Like, what are we doing?
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
He's basically saying like- Let's just pay no taxes.
tim pool
Make all of the people who make more than 400k, he's going to make them pay like 70%.
And then everyone else just pays nothing.
libby emmons
Right.
unidentified
All right.
libby emmons
And somehow he's going to keep those people in the country.
I don't know how.
tim pool
Sounds like a plan that the socialists would come up with, I guess.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
People don't understand economics.
Oh, we got Lydia.
She's pressing all the buttons.
lydia smith
I'm in the corner as well.
I'm hoping that none of this penny that has to be paid, according to Joe Biden, applies to me as well.
But I guess we'll see.
tim pool
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Let's take a look at the first story of this op-ed from Joe Concha over at the Hill.
He says Biden's poor TV ratings against Trump is exactly what this administration wants.
I I don't agree, but the point Joe is making is, I believe it's a fair point, though I do disagree.
He basically says, you know, we know that Trump was just desperate for ratings and he was, well, he didn't say desperate, but like bragging about how good his ratings were.
Then we see Joe Biden.
His ratings are in the gutter.
Nobody wants to watch the guy.
Nobody wants to watch CNN or MSNBC because they built a network on hating Trump and Biden just ain't it.
But he goes on to mention that with all this massive spending, he says $1.9 trillion for COVID relief, $2.25 trillion in infrastructure, with nobody paying attention to what Biden's doing, he can just keep doing these things and no one will stop him.
I don't like the argument.
Because who is going to stop him anyway?
Mitch McConnell?
He's not going to do anything.
And all they really need the Democrats for is the rage vote.
And then, like clockwork, the traditional liberals go back to sleep.
I experienced it in 2008.
We're watching it happen now.
This is good news for disaffected liberals, moderates, conservatives, Trump supporters, and whoever else on the right.
Because this means that with liberals going to sleep declaring victory, but only in a very, very slim victory, Well, the Republicans in 2022 will likely take the House and maybe even in 2024, we'll see what happens.
But I wonder what y'all think about Joe Biden's inability to make anybody care about what he's doing.
libby emmons
I think it's actually really interesting.
I think we saw a bunch of that after the election, right?
There were like two weeks where it seemed like we were just all going to celebrate Biden's victory, that the country was going to open up.
It seemed like that was the deal that was being made, that the nation was being held hostage to a Biden victory.
And then, you know, sure enough, they came crashing back down and locking everything up again, which actually seemed way worse than the first time.
But I do think that liberals have Pretty well gone to sleep because they figure that they've got their guy and their guy is going to do the right thing.
And that's that.
They were so invested in hating Trump that anything that's not Trump they think is good.
And so they're not actually applying any critical thinking power to these policies that are being enacted.
They're not looking at what horror it's going to implement in the U.S.
tim pool
I wonder if they ever actually cared at all.
You know, I know people who have no business being in politics.
Like, people who didn't vote in 08, 12, or 16, who all of a sudden were like filming videos of themselves where they're like, I gotta put my ballot.
They're like, are you doing your duty with your ballot?
And I'm like, dude, you have no idea what you're talking about.
You're just doing this because the guy on the TV said to do it.
Is that really it?
It's tribal.
So after that trend, what's the next trendy thing to do?
It certainly is not Joe Biden.
No one cares about him.
libby emmons
No one cares about Joe Biden.
But I do think it's interesting, too.
We had in the fall, we had AOC, we had Bernie Sanders and other progressives complaining that Joe Biden wasn't going to be far left enough, that he wasn't going to install the progressive agenda.
And now we're seeing them basically celebrating.
You have Hillary Clinton saying he's doing a bang-up job.
You have AOC saying that he's really being much more collaborative with progressives.
And I think that the conservatives that held their nose and voted for Joe Biden, I think they were played.
You know, they believed that Joe Biden was just going to be ineffectual.
You had Bill Kristol talking about how this was going to be the way to install and create
a new conservatism, that all of this stuff was going to be easier for conservatives with
Trump out of the way.
And instead, they were completely steamrolled.
You know, it was like a total bait and switch.
They voted for a moderate guy who wasn't going to do anything.
And instead, they got this progressive guy who's just spending all the money and then
tim pool
But, like, he's still not progressive enough for the actual socialists?
libby emmons
Well, AOC seems happy about him so far.
She said the other day before his State of the Union there.
tim pool
Well, you know, does AOC actually have principles?
Or is she just like a stop?
She's like a pressure relief valve for the Democratic Party.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
In the event the woke left becomes too disaffected, she then goes like, and they're like, oh, we're satisfied again.
So.
libby emmons
Yeah.
I'm not sure if she has any principles.
She goes on for long periods of time on Instagram Live and we can try and sort it out.
Although so much of it seems like just straight nonsense.
tim pool
There are rumors that because New York is losing a district, they're going to get rid of hers.
Have you heard that?
libby emmons
I have heard that.
tim pool
But is that true, or is that just wishful thinking?
libby emmons
I don't know.
I mean, whoever's in charge would get to redraw the districts, and the Democrats are in charge, so they could redraw the districts, and they could draw out a Republican district instead.
tim pool
Right.
Yeah, that makes way more sense.
I mean, AOC has fallen in line.
Like I said, she's a pressure release valve for the Democratic Party.
The progressives get too angry.
She comes in and she does her finger snap and then acts like Nancy Pelosi should get votes and then votes for Nancy Pelosi while pretending like she doesn't like Nancy Pelosi.
libby emmons
She gets her whole crew on board.
tim pool
I don't think Joe Biden is a socialist.
The socialists, the actual like, you know, Bernie DSA types think Joe Biden is a fascist, just not as much of a fascist as Trump.
And I'm like, okay, maybe, you know, whatever.
I'm sure Joe Biden is not a good guy.
He's corrupt.
He's crooked.
He's pro-war, all these really awful things.
So sure, I guess I'll give him that one.
But to say he's not enacting far-left policies when he's just like Money Printer Go-Burr, just cranking out the bills to pay for stuff.
libby emmons
Yeah, he very clearly is.
tim pool
He rescinded the executive orders on critical race theory.
libby emmons
He sure did.
And now they have a new thing going through to more like mandate critical race theory in schools.
tim pool
Oh, that's right.
libby emmons
Yeah, and that's pretty weird.
And you had McConnell coming out against it.
tim pool
I'm sorry, you mean to teach black history.
libby emmons
Uh, no.
tim pool
Reuters says it's about teaching black history.
libby emmons
We have black history.
Black history is essential.
The civil rights movement is, of course, a monumental achievement in American history.
But that's not what they're talking about.
unidentified
They're talking about like... You mean Reuters lied to me?
tim pool
Did you see the headline from Reuters?
libby emmons
I'm not going to say that.
I don't want to get fact-checked.
tim pool
Reuters said, Republicans ask Biden to end his divisive policy on teaching black history.
It is the most insane propaganda.
libby emmons
I agree.
And this stuff has been coming up in schools for a while.
I think it's only recently, though, that parents have been seeing it.
And that's why people have been able to speak out against it.
Oddly enough, it's because of remote schooling that parents were able to see this stuff.
I know that that happened in my house, right?
So my son Kicked out of school March 16th with all of the other 1.1 million school children in New York City, and hardly any of them are back still.
I think we recently reopened, sort of, middle and high schools, but there's like 300,000 kids back in schools, basically, the last number that I checked, which was maybe a month ago, actually.
Once my son came home and I started seeing what was going on in the classroom,
it wasn't really a big deal until after George Floyd was killed.
And then I heard his teachers say that they were going to have a day talking about,
I think it was a day talking about white privilege, and another day talking about, you know, what happened and
everything.
So I set up my voice recorder to just record what was going on on his call and I recorded hours of this conversation where the white kids were basically, he was actually the only white kid in the class, so where the white kids were basically told that They didn't even know that there was racism in their family, that their parents didn't know that they were racist, that their grandparents didn't know that they were racist.
And I'm looking at our family, and I'm sure lots of parents did this as well.
My son's grandmother was a public defender in Philadelphia.
She defended MOVE members.
I don't know if you guys know who that is.
She defended You want to briefly describe?
Oh, so MOVE was a black nationalist organization.
They were in West Philadelphia.
They were targeted by the FBI and the city.
They were eventually bombed in this horrible situation.
I think it was 85, maybe.
They were bombed by a black mayor who teamed up with the FBI.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
So is that your mom who defended?
libby emmons
No, no, no.
That is my son's dad's mom.
Yeah.
And she passed.
tim pool
Defended the MOVE members?
libby emmons
She defended, yeah, I believe she defended Eddie Africa.
Wow.
Yeah.
tim pool
But the teacher said that this is a racist person.
libby emmons
This is a racist family.
My grandmother was a public school teacher in Brownsville, Brooklyn, in the 40s.
Her parents were immigrants.
But, I mean, it doesn't even matter what your background is, right?
I mean, the idea that a teacher should be telling you that your grandparents are probably racist and
that they don't know it and that you don't know it and that this is just the passed down legacy
through your family on the basis of your skin color is absurd. That a teacher should be telling
a kid that anything is a product of skin color or race is completely anathema to the civil
rights movement that is what should be being taught, right?
tim pool
You know what's really funny about critical race theory?
When you look up the Wikipedia for it, they have to define what white supremacy means because it doesn't mean what people think it means.
So it actually says, CRT is loosely unified by two common themes.
First, that white supremacy exists and maintains power through the law.
Right.
They then add in parentheses after white supremacy, societal racism.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
Because in the language of the cult members, when they say white
supremacy, they don't mean what 98% of Americans understand it to be.
That a white supremacist is somebody who believes white people are superior or supreme.
They've just changed it to be now just objectivity and history and.
libby emmons
Being on time.
Being on time as a white supremacist.
Yeah, I think it's sort of interesting too because the new definition of white supremacy means that there can be no way to educate yourself out of it.
There's no way to have forgiveness.
There's no reconciliation at all.
It's just, it's a permanent condition.
Until, you know, and looking at something like systemic racism, basically the entire society needs to be dismantled before that can be repaired.
And we're looking at a, you know, set of theories that the people who support them, the idea would be you have to dismantle society, but they're not offering anything to rebuild it on, right?
It's just a completely destructive idea.
tim pool
I agree.
And I often refer to it as a chaotic and destructive force because there's no real rules.
Like, is women offensive today?
Because you got to say Wimixin, but then Wimixin is offensive because it excludes certain women.
And I think maybe the reality is there may be competing interests in terms of what comes next.
The one thing they all agree on is destroy the system.
libby emmons
Destroy the system.
tim pool
But I do think many of those who claim to be trained Marxists don't want to tell you what their actual solution is.
Because people would revolt if they found out what these people were planning.
And so they say, we got to tear down white supremacy.
And everyone goes, that sounds pretty good to me.
And then first of all, they don't mean literal white supremacy.
They mean some ridiculous non-sensical term.
They say we're anti-racist, which doesn't mean not racist.
libby emmons
It doesn't mean not racist.
tim pool
It literally means be racist.
And then they say diverse, which also is just another, you know, diversity, inclusivity, and equity are just more buzzwords that don't really make a lot of sense.
And then that's the halfway.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
After they burned all to the ground, what they want is probably, you know, moral authoritarianism.
They have control.
They can have whatever they want.
You go live in the gutter.
libby emmons
I think that's really interesting, too, and I think conservatives pushed away from having any sort of moral compass after the 90s Christian right takeover of Congress with Newt Gingrich and all of those guys.
And the conservatives were pretty well slammed at that point for having a moral perspective and having it be a Christian moral perspective and having that be oppressive and the wrong thing to do.
And after that, conservatives embraced relativism.
In a very real way, you know, the liberals were embracing relativism.
Anything you do is fine if that's what you want to do, which to a certain extent, you know, there's nothing for it.
People are going to do what they want to do, whether you want to judge them for it or not.
But the conservatives left a vacuum of moral authority and of moral perspective.
And it's been filled with something that has actually no basis.
Right.
So if you look at, for example, a religious, let's take a religious moral perspective, you could have the Ten Commandments in there, right?
That could be a basis upon which you're making determinations.
You could use the Beatitudes in the Gospel according to Matthew as a basis to make determinations, which is basically be really kind, you guys.
Right.
But when we look at the contemporary leftist moral Framework?
Framework.
There's no foundation.
There's no basis.
tim pool
I agree.
libby emmons
So it's just this shifting sands of a value system that is whatever you want it to be whenever you want it to be it.
So long as you can use it to maintain your own power.
tim pool
It's like a hologram.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
It's like a hologram of a religion.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
I was reading this book a long time ago.
I don't know how true any of this stuff is.
It was like a book on quantum physics.
And they talked about how the chemical properties of an element.
Ian, this is probably up your alley.
A chemical property of an element is based on the amount of electrons.
Is that like, you know, so hydrogen is one, helium is two.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And so they said something interesting happened when they were working on circuit boards when an electron got trapped In, you know, this one part of the board where there's, and I'm probably totally ruining this concept.
Maybe you guys listening understand what this is.
I was reading a book, this is like 10 years ago.
They said they were sending electrons through, you know, pathways in a circuit board.
And they had an area where basically the electron got stuck in a, you know, small space and it began to orbit nothing.
But it began to exude the chemical properties of hydrogen with no nucleus.
libby emmons
Oh, interesting.
tim pool
And so I think about that, again, more up Ian's alley in this regard, but it's vaguely similar in that that's what I feel like we have with critical race theory.
It's missing the nucleus core component of a real moral framework.
Like, you can disagree with religions and what these people believe, but there's like, as you mentioned, a foundation to where these ideas come from, how they've persisted this long, bad ideas go away, good ideas remain, become stronger.
And then you look at woke and it's hollow.
libby emmons
Well, it's because there's no, there's no synthesis, right?
There's only woke.
There's only this, this critical race system or this gender critical, you know, um, not gender critical.
unidentified
That's a little different.
libby emmons
Critical theory.
tim pool
Let me point something out real quick too.
I am, I am partly bothered by how many people just keep saying critical race theory over and over again, ignoring critical gender theory.
libby emmons
That's part of it, too.
tim pool
Critical theory as a whole.
libby emmons
Critical theory.
And the problem is that because of the way that it's constructed in society, you can broach these ideas, but you can't broach any opposition to them.
Because if you broach opposition to them, then there's something wrong with you and you are, you know, a racist or transphobic or whatever the other things are that you could be labeled.
You're a bigot in some sense of the word.
But unless these critical theories are challenged, There's no synthesis to the better idea.
They just stand there on their own.
And they need to be challenged.
We need to challenge every idea that we have.
And we need to be challenging our ideas all the time.
tim pool
You mentioned how your son was in school and you started to wake up and stuff.
This brings me to this next story we have.
From the post-millennial, anti-critical race theory candidates for school board win overwhelming support from Dallas parents.
Candidates who ran on an anti-critical race theory platform won two open school board seats in Dallas' South Lake District on Saturday with a landslide almost 70% majority.
I mean, that's the bulk of the story.
I think, again, it's heavily focused on race theory.
And I think a lot of parents are actually having a bigger reaction to gender theory.
libby emmons
The gender theory is definitely coming down the road, and a lot of that originated in British Columbia in Canada.
Oh, really?
Yeah, and that, you know, you have the gender unicorn and the gender gingerbread man, and it's been pushed very heavily.
Oh, that's right.
tim pool
Ginger person?
libby emmons
The ginger, yeah.
tim pool
Gingerbread person.
libby emmons
Not gingerbread man, of course.
lydia smith
Gingerbread.
libby emmons
Who can mix them or whatever, you know, with a...
tim pool
But I think there's a couple of things that have happened here.
And I'll try to be as respectful and delicate as possible for YouTube and their censors.
But there have been lawsuits.
The parents of young biological females concerned about their opportunities in athletics has resulted in lawsuits.
We recently had Caitlyn Jenner, who is a trans woman, come out and say that it was unfair.
But I think things like that, so not to derail too much, but it's not just race theory.
That's correct.
That's correct.
about all of these different things and saying, hey, you know, wait a minute. It's not fair to
discriminate against someone based on their immutable characteristics. That's correct.
libby emmons
And it's also not not right to tell someone that their immutable characteristics need to be changed
in order for them to be who they really are. Since I wrote the story this summer about my son's
education, a lot of parents reached out to me from across the country to tell me about their
And I had a mom in California telling me about the gender education that her child was receiving.
And she had actually gone to a school board meeting and had seen the slides of the way that the curriculum was going to be implemented from kindergarten all the way through 12th grade.
And it starts off with a book about a boy who wants to wear a dress and it moves right through, you know, gender transition altogether.
And she moved her kid to Texas in order to get away from this.
And I've recently been talking to a lot of parents about how things are going with regard to reopening schools.
We had this promise from Joe Biden that schools were going to be reopened at the end of 100 days.
And it's just not actually true.
Schools are not open.
Are you shocked?
unidentified
It's shocking.
tim pool
This can't be right.
libby emmons
It just can't be real.
tim pool
Ian, do you believe that Joe Biden would lie to us?
unidentified
Never.
libby emmons
And it turns out so my question started to be what does open mean?
What does that mean to you?
You know, what are your feelings about it?
tim pool
My personal truth in the word open means closed.
libby emmons
Right.
It turns out that you would be correct.
A lot of the schools are still closed.
Schools that were closed in the fall are still closed.
Schools that were open in the fall are still open.
So the idea that anything that Biden has done has actually resulted in reopening schools
tim pool
is complete farce.
libby emmons
We keep talking about that at Postmillennial.
tim pool
Moving Postmillennial to Florida?
libby emmons
We keep being like, hey, let's just all move to Florida.
tim pool
I don't want to derail just yet, but we will be talking about this new bill that's on the verge
of getting passed, which is going to change the game in terms of social media and what it means
for you guys. But we'll keep it on the critical race here in the school stuff for now. We'll get
to that later. But yeah, I think a lot of parents realized this, and I think what we're seeing is
interesting with this one story that you guys, a lot of people wrote about the story, but the one
we just pulled up, this is a district that narrowly went for Biden by, I think, like it was like five
So it's like 47 for Trump, 52 for Biden.
The county went for Trump.
So, you know, depending on which which metric you use, you can make an argument.
But I think when you're looking at these suburbs, which they said white affluent suburbs actually went for Biden more and Trump actually lost white voters and gained Latinos and black voters.
The fact that you have white affluent suburbanites pushing back against this, I think this is where we see traditional liberals falling asleep and then those who are forced to wake up really waking up and swinging a 70-point, you know, lead for the anti-critical race theory.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
What do you think can happen in 2022 when these traditional libs are just not paying attention and the disaffected liberals who are are like, What is happening?
libby emmons
There keep being more disaffected liberals.
I used to work in theater and I've heard from people who don't want to be named and don't want to be public, but they reach out to me and they're like, hey, this stuff is crazy.
And I'm like, dude, I know.
I have been telling you for a while that this stuff is crazy.
And they don't want to believe it because they were so married to their ideology.
And you can't be married to an ideology.
There's just no sense in that.
You constantly have to question it.
If you don't know why you believe what you believe, then why do you believe it?
tim pool
It's really interesting talking to someone who's particularly religious.
Like, I was talking to Michael Knowles, man.
Like I mentioned, we're at TimCast.com, this longer bonus segment with Michael talking about religion for like an hour, and Ian talking about space and everything.
It's really fascinating.
And then after even, even after the show, you know, we're hanging out, just chilling and having this conversation.
Michael knows a lot.
Now, maybe it's not fair to compare like your average liberal to someone as well read as Michael Knowles, but every conversation I have with someone who is religious and like legitimately, they can tell me some things about it, why they believe it.
I understand there are a lot of people who are probably just like, I don't know.
And, and, you know, I wouldn't say that they're, I don't know.
It exists, but if I take the average, like, I'm trying to avoid calling people out, but we've spoken with people, even on this show, who could not tell us what was going on with critical race theory, why they would support it or oppose it.
Granted, Destiny actually really did.
You're familiar with Destiny, right?
Yeah.
He actually knew a ton about it and actually articulated why he was for it, and I was impressed with that.
Cause I talked to a lot of people who have, you know, prominent channels and they're like, well, I mean, it's just like you oppose racism, right?
And I'm like, is that what you really think?
Like, did you actually read any of this stuff?
Like we're looking at, you look at some of Christopher Ruffo's research and it's like a laboratory sending white people on a retreat to condemn white people.
Like that's against this violation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
So I talked to so many conservatives about religion and they'll talk about what the saint said or what they learned in, you know, this chapter or this verse.
Like they actually did some research or reading.
And I talked to my liberal friends who are following this stuff, my progressive friends, and they don't know anything about the roots.
They don't know anything about where it comes from or what it means.
And I think that's really, I think it's interesting.
I think it says a lot.
libby emmons
I think it says a lot about our educational system.
I think it says a lot about, you know, where all of that stuff landed.
So the people who are liberals now were educated in a college system, in a high school system, you know, that Basically gave all of this stuff as gospel.
This is what you were supposed to believe.
And what has happened is that critical race and gender theory, and I would even say, you know, the concept of climate alarmism.
These are all concepts that are opinions, right?
And they are dictated to children.
And children form, have the opinions by rote.
They have the opinions before they have the information.
So they take their opinion and then once they're taught the actual information, they already have been told how to think about it.
So that's not, you know, that's not going to be effective in terms of creating people who can think for themselves.
You need to provide the information and then you need to say, these people think this about it.
These people think this about it.
What do you think about it?
Synthesize that information.
Synthesize the opinions.
Think critically about it yourself.
And come up with what you think.
And if we're not doing that, we're just creating a generation of stupid, manageable children.
tim pool
You know, I was on the way back the other day, I was thinking about, I can't remember exactly what happened, what made me think about this, but people just don't care about their community anymore.
And so you mentioned these are opinions being dictated to children.
More than you probably realize, I think most of these things that we learn are actually opinions, but they're expert opinions.
Right. There's a difference between like some regular guy on the street being like the sky is you know
Made like the clouds are made of marshmallow and you're like okay, dude. That's not a pain. That's like crazy
And so there are things we believe to be fact there are things that are fact
when it comes to science we have the challenge of trusting people and
And so when it comes to a scientist telling you what a cloud is, it's like, have you ever really gone up there and actually done the research to prove it?
That it's water vapor?
You haven't.
But most people reasonably conclude some things are true.
Like if I throw a rock at a window, the window will likely break.
There's a fact.
When it comes to a lot of the things that we teach children, they're actually just expert opinions based on available data.
That's why science changes so often.
So I guess it's fair to say, to a certain degree, we suspect these things are facts.
Science eventually gets to that point.
But what's happened is, this understanding of history and science is being exploited by what I refer to as the cult, I think.
There's not a case of cult, it's because it's like a religion with no nucleus, no moral foundation.
So what they see is, Hey, wait a minute.
When you tell these kids something based off the available data, it's an expert analysis that you believe to be true.
Now, obviously, some things are tested, and there are control groups.
There are some things we don't have control groups for, which make it very difficult.
Notably, climate change.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
There's no control plan.
It's very difficult.
However, I do fall into the category of someone who believes climate change is an issue.
I think humans mass consume will lead to serious problems.
To me, that just feels like, based on everything I've seen, it kind of mathematically adds up to this point.
However, That's just me trusting.
It's also me just giving my personal analysis to someone who reads the news.
For a lot of these scientists, they're experts who have the availability of lots of data and can draw a conclusion, but this is why science is often wrong.
Exploiting that system is very easy.
And that's what the critical race theorists, the critical theorists are doing.
The difference is there's actually climate data.
Now, granted, some people don't agree with it, don't believe it.
I happen to think that's incorrect.
But when it comes to critical race theory, what you have there is we made up a thing that we think is true.
We think one race is, you know, mean to the other race.
There's no hard data.
There's no numbers.
We can argue numbers.
We can argue science around, you know, ice shelves or something like that.
libby emmons
Well, but with critical race theory, they're taking data from, you know, 50, 70 years ago, and they're using it as though that data is still relevant for society today.
And that's a big problem.
It's like it completely eradicates the civil rights movement.
Maxine Waters saying that the country is getting more racist every day.
She's a she's a sitting congresswoman from the state of California, and she has been for a very long time.
She's a lot of power.
tim pool
She's a pretty bad job of ending racism, I guess.
libby emmons
Oh, he was making that systemic racism.
You have Biden talking about systemic racism.
Well, he's been in federal government since the 70s.
Where has he been?
What has he been doing about it?
tim pool
Oh, he was making that system.
libby emmons
He was, you know, working on it.
I guess real hard.
tim pool
The other direction.
libby emmons
Yeah.
You know, I just don't think that.
Anyway, all of this stuff is being taught because the people who are teaching it
And not the people who are teaching it, but it's coming down even not from the teachers themselves.
Like in New York City, you had—and he's not there anymore—but you had Richard Carranza, who was the school's chancellor, and he was basically dictating this kind of education.
He was saying that it had to be that way.
Under the Obama administration, we had Common Core curriculum come in.
Which, basically, what it does is it teaches the same subject, like the same sort of content in every subject.
So in math, you're learning about racism.
In English class, you're learning about racism.
That's common core?
Well, common core, what it does is it links all of the things that you're learning around sort of one kind of subject.
So you're learning about one thing in all of your disciplines.
And that, you know, that's something that happened under that because it was supposedly easier to study things that way.
But when you don't allow teachers to design their own curriculum, I think that's a problem.
We have really intelligent teachers.
They should have a little more say over how they educate the kids in their charge.
tim pool
I think, just to touch on the point I was making, when you talk about racism and privilege, it's impossible to quantify.
They can say something like, white people are stopped this many times and black people are stopped by police this many times, and that doesn't prove or mean anything.
You'll hear from the left, they say, that's proof of racism.
And then you'll hear from the right, that's proof they're committing more crimes.
So it is interesting because simply by nature of getting arrested does not mean that black people are committing more crimes.
However, it also doesn't mean that cops are being more racist.
What's the determination?
So the left chooses what they want to believe, cites the data, and claims the data is true
based on their personal argument about it.
libby emmons
And I think that happens a lot with data.
I think data can be used to prove whatever it is that you want it to tell you.
John McWhorter talks about this.
He talks about how the difference in percentage is very similar to the difference in percentage of poverty.
The difference in percentage of crimes committed is very similar.
It's like the same percentage.
I think he said it was 2.5%.
And he's a fascinating thinker as well.
But I think that that's a big part of the problem is people just use the data to construct a narrative that they then support with everything else that they're doing.
Decide that those are facts.
unidentified
and then perpetrate them.
libby emmons
He said something like that.
And he was parroting what AOC had said a few years back when she said there were 12 years left.
And a reporter asked Jen Psaki, the White House press secretary, if there were nine years left.
And she said something like, I don't have anything else to preview for you on that.
And it's like, Do you really think there's nine years left until it's the end of the world?
And that is what alarmism is, right?
Like, we used to use whale oil for everything.
We used whale oil in lamps and to make, you know, what was it, tallow candles?
tim pool
Whale oil!
libby emmons
Yeah, like, well, that's Moby Dick, right?
Moby Dick was a book about energy consumption and, like, harvesting energy.
So we hunted whales to near extinction.
That was a big problem until we found a new energy source.
And then we could, you know, congratulate ourselves for saving the whales.
We would not have saved the whales if we didn't find some better energy source.
tim pool
People don't understand this, too.
I was reading about slavery.
Slavery didn't end because of some moral imperative from good people.
It ended because of invention.
unidentified
The cotton gin.
libby emmons
Yeah, yeah.
And there were good people trying to end slavery.
I mean, the abolitionist movement was a I think an important moral perspective.
unidentified
Absolutely.
tim pool
A lot of really amazing people and one of the bloodiest wars ever fought to end slavery.
But the catalyst was, for a lot of people, they're unwilling to give up their comfort.
So it wasn't until people got access to cheaper goods and no longer needed it that they were all of a sudden having this moral epiphany about why it was so wrong to do.
libby emmons
Right.
The Romans never ended slavery.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, so we saved the whales, just like you mentioned.
It was only once we didn't need them we were all of a sudden like, Oh, hey, you know, you got to save the whales now.
libby emmons
So then the question becomes, are these sustainable energy resources that we're plunking so much money into and demanding that we remake our society in service to, are they really energy efficient enough to do what needs to be done to, you know, further humanity's interests?
Are they?
Wind and solar?
unidentified
Not alone.
libby emmons
Not alone.
And we're shutting down nuclear energy plants.
tim pool
Right.
That's that's not smart.
libby emmons
And I don't think that is super smart.
I think that's sort of dumb.
And we're shutting down nuclear energy plants because why?
Because the baby boomers, it made them feel icky.
tim pool
Do you know about the projected manure crisis of New York?
libby emmons
No.
tim pool
So I guess at the turn of the century, 1800s to 1900s, there were, I guess, scientists and individuals warning that due to population growth, that the cities would have, you know, six foot piles of horse crap everywhere in every corner because people needed horses.
Horses take dumps.
And when you're going through the city and the city's growing, there's going to be too many horses.
So they were generally concerned about it.
And then the car was invented.
unidentified
And then all of a sudden, right.
tim pool
So I suppose the issue is, you know, I think it's fair to say we have to keep a close eye
on what we do as humans, because to think that we're invincible or immortal, I believe,
would be stupid.
But also we should be heavily focused on advancing technology.
libby emmons
I agree.
tim pool
Not shutting it down.
And so unfortunately for us, it's a key component of the left to oppose nuclear energy.
Like even Tulsi Gabbard, I'm a big fan.
She opposed nuclear energy and I was like, I think you could convince her if you actually show her the data.
Modern nuclear technology is fantastic.
It's carbon neutral.
It has a massive energy return on energy invested.
And it's something we should be doing.
libby emmons
Right.
But we don't.
And we completely discount the waste that is inherent in sustainable energy.
Those wind turbines, they die.
They can't be reused.
They're going to litter the landscape.
The kinds of materials that are used to create solar panels, what's in those things?
How are they constructed?
I don't think we're actually considering Um, you know, the side effects of any of those things.
We're just assuming that because it's sun and wind and those are friendly and filled with flowers, it's all okay.
tim pool
Have you seen the original Iron Man?
libby emmons
No.
tim pool
I gotta squeeze in my pop culture.
libby emmons
Go for it.
tim pool
So in the original Iron Man, they have, you know, Stark comes back from the desert, you know, he built this thing called an arc reactor.
He's with Obadiah Stane, who's, you know, spoiler alert, it's been, you know, what, 13 years?
He's the villain.
And they're looking at the arc reactor.
It's like this gigantic, you know, glass cylinder thing.
And Tony says to him, he's like, look, you know, we should look into arc technology.
And Obadiah says, we built that for the hippies.
The thing was never cost effective.
That's how I feel with a lot of the investment into photovoltaic solar and a lot of wind.
Wind can be great, but you can't use it alone.
What happens when the wind is weak?
What happens when you don't have battery power?
So it's a good supplemental, but there has to be a strong and robust backup system.
One of the problems with photovoltaic, this is solar panels.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
Because there's also other kinds of solar energy that can be generated.
So like mirrors reflecting into big vats of like salt water or something.
libby emmons
Well, there's the passive solar versus the PVs, yeah.
tim pool
So, one of the things people don't realize about photovoltaic solar is that it's a luxury item for wealthy people.
libby emmons
Well, it sure is.
tim pool
I learned this when I actually talked to a solar company, and I was like, this is gonna be great, it's gonna save me money, right?
And they were like, no.
They were like, maybe in 20 or 30 years.
They were like, but the reality is people get these because it's a backup system.
And I was like, what?
And I was like, I thought we were getting this because it's going to reduce our energy consumption.
And they were like, I mean, a little bit, but the amount of carbon and energy put that is used to build these things, you're not going to get that back for a couple decades.
So hopefully.
You know, we're getting better and better energy output from our photovoltaic cell.
You can just say PVs.
PVs!
unidentified
There we go.
tim pool
PV technology.
It's getting better and better.
And maybe we'll get to that point where it does become immediately more cost effective.
But people need to understand the machines to transport wind turbines.
Burn in carbon.
And you need lots of big trucks to move these massive things.
libby emmons
Also, we don't have enough superconductors to get this energy where it needs to go.
We don't have enough, you know, energy storage.
So even when you have PVs on your roof and everything like that, you're still sending the energy back to the grid.
It's not off grid.
It's just you're generating, you're like your own little power plant, generating energy and sending it back.
tim pool
We ended up not doing solar.
I was kind of bummed.
And the main reason was they were like, yeah, you'll have a, it's like a generator.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
And I was like, so if I just do like a diesel generator, it's better, faster, cheaper, and I'll waste less energy because you fill up your diesel tank one time and you never use it.
libby emmons
That's right.
And then it just sits there for you.
tim pool
Yep.
And so they were like, yeah, but you know, maybe after 20 years, and I was like, but won't there be wear and tear for 20 years?
Won't I have to deal with like getting the roof fixed, taking these things down?
They're like, yeah.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
And I was like, OK.
libby emmons
Well, you don't want to put PVs on a roof that's going to need repair.
tim pool
Exactly.
And so, you know, they do this new thing with Tesla.
They're called solar shingles.
And it's when I actually talked to them about it, the function of a roof, the repairs needed, it just didn't make sense.
libby emmons
I mean, there's a lot of cool technology.
The question is, should we base our entire society on it?
Should we spend all of this money to re-educate everyone so that this is the only thing they know how to do?
I don't think that's a great idea.
tim pool
Not necessarily no.
The problem is, like, you look at these Marxists and they talk about Marx and his writings about the future and where humanity ends up.
And they love to cite Star Trek.
And that's very offensive to me as a huge Star Trek fan.
libby emmons
Why is it offensive?
tim pool
They claim that the Federation in Star Trek is communist.
libby emmons
Oh, I don't think it is.
tim pool
It's not communist.
unidentified
It's not communist at all, yeah.
tim pool
People have beachfront property.
There's federation credits.
There's hierarchy, but you can choose to serve or not.
It's classically liberal.
It's a very classically liberal society.
libby emmons
And you can still have your own vineyard.
tim pool
Exactly.
And they've created, and they have, they've ended scarcity through replication.
That's what changed their system.
But I digress.
That's just a story.
But these communists like to claim that's the future that Marx envisioned, the communist future.
And I'm like, sure, maybe.
But what you guys are proposing won't exist until we invent replicators, things that can literally pull ambient energy from the air and convert energy into matter.
Maybe once we have that, I'm willing to- Yeah, we don't have that.
Right.
And so all of these people who are talking about the future, green energy, I'm like, maybe we're just not there.
Maybe we should be putting all this money into fusion technology.
libby emmons
Well, or maybe we should be, you know, allowing a little bit more of the market to decide how things go instead of using moral cudgels to destroy some kinds of energy generation and to bolster other kinds.
It doesn't seem like I just don't think the federal government should be involved in determining how we're all going to be living and working.
If you look at it that way, it just doesn't make any sense.
tim pool
Well, I'll give you the I guess, uh, predictable centrist position.
I don't think the free market can, can solve the issue for the most part.
Like a, like a totally laissez-faire just open, you know, go for it.
Because I think we'd end up like yeast in a bottle, just farting ourselves to death.
You know, what works in the short term is, and eventually we hit a wall and then there may be a point where we go off a cliff.
However, a command economy absolutely doesn't work.
Some random bureaucrat deciding we're going to build this thing.
Everything makes literally no sense.
libby emmons
Well, and it's Joe Biden and his cronies deciding that we're going to do it this way, and you don't see data as to why it should be done that way.
All you hear is that this is compassionate somehow.
It's compassionate to the earth, or it's compassionate— Emotional manipulation for traditional lives.
Yeah, and I don't think that using compassion as a—they're just beating us to death with our own compassion.
And that's true with the race stuff and the gender stuff as well.
Don't you feel bad for everybody?
Well, sure, I feel bad for everybody.
Okay, well then you have to do all of these things to ameliorate yourself feeling bad for everybody.
And that's when you see the liberals start to fall asleep.
They figure, I've done the right thing.
Now I get to live how I please.
You know, everyone else is going to live how they please.
And they're not realizing that remaking society in this way is just going to destroy it.
tim pool
But it works on conservatives too.
Once enough people fall for the emotional argument, the hardline conservatives fall in line because they have no choice.
libby emmons
Well, they don't know what else to do, and they're not really being supported.
I mean, we're looking also at a, I think, a sort of schism in conservatism now, right?
So you had the bowtie-wearing, we were talking about this before, the bowtie-wearing, socially liberal, fiscally conservative types who just wanted to sit back and get their tax breaks and not really worry too much about anything else and let the rest kind of just roll along.
And they did that.
And this is the society that we have.
And now you have a new group of conservatives, and I think you're seeing it in a lot of independent conservative media as well.
And they're much more socially conservative.
They're more fiscally liberal, but not with regard to the same causes that the liberals are pushing.
And I think there's going to be a split, like if we do see 2022, if we do see conservatives taking the House back, I think we're going to see the new conservatives doing it.
We're not going to see these old style Lindsey Graham, you know, Mitch McConnell type of guys doing it.
tim pool
Milk Toast Mitch.
libby emmons
That's what I'm calling it.
Yeah.
I mean, we're not going to see those that that style of conservatism is not coming back.
And I don't think it should.
I think it was sort of arrogant and boring and didn't really take into consideration what it turns out half the population is interested in.
tim pool
I just realized Mitch McConnell actually reminds me of the original Milk Toast character, Casper Milk Toast.
Yeah, so you're familiar with where milquetoast comes from?
libby emmons
I was not.
I'm just always impressed that I can spell it.
tim pool
It's an old comic about a guy who is like deferential and weak and milquetoast because the artist considered that to be just like the most boring breakfast you could have, milquetoast.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And so it's just like he's just an old man with glasses. He has a mustache, you know, McConnell doesn't but I look at
McConnell You know, we like to joke. I'm the milquetoast fence sitter.
Tim pool is centrist, whatever But the reality is I get heated on this
You know on the show talking about say 2a or taxes or billionaires manipulating elections, but mitch mcconnell,
what is he doing?
libby emmons
What does he ever really do?
Yeah, I mean, he's trying to push back on this critical race theory thing, but I don't think he's... Only after they lose everything?
Only just now.
Yeah, I don't think he's gonna win.
He was also pushing back against Trump, I think, rather substantially, and Lindsey Graham only came around after it turned out his constituents wanted him to support Trump.
tim pool
And Lindsey will walk up and high-five Kamala Harris.
libby emmons
Well, he'll do whatever he has to do to stay in office.
I think that's pretty clear.
tim pool
But we have some good news for conservatives, though.
This might change the game here.
We got this story from The Hill.
Florida passes bill prohibiting social media companies from banning politicians.
It's way more than that.
I don't think people realize that SB 7072, now there's some really interesting, weird stuff they put in it.
They amended it to include, if you have a theme park, you're excluded from this or something.
libby emmons
Well, Disney's kind of cool.
tim pool
Yeah, right?
So what is Facepark?
Facepark.
Facebook will open Facepark, and Twitter will open Twitter World to try and get past this, because it's not just about politicians.
This also protects news organizations.
So this is fascinating.
I've got SB 7072 pulled up, and it's kind of annoying to go through the whole thing.
But it also has something to do with antitrust.
Let me see if I can just pull up a journalistic enterprise.
There we go.
Check this out.
Journalistic Enterprise, according to this new bill, means an entity doing business in Florida that publishes in excess of 100,000 words available online with at least 50,000 paid subscribers or 100,000 monthly active users, publishes 100 hours of audio or video available online with at least 100 million viewers annually.
That's us.
And the other one is you, the post-millennial.
I'm pretty sure you have more than 100,000 monthly active users.
You probably get that on a single article, I'd imagine.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
That means if you were operating in Florida, Wikipedia could not remove you from sources.
You could not be banned from Twitter.
So let me make sure I pull this up because there have been some changes.
But my understanding is that a journalistic enterprise can't be banned based on their opinions, the content of their articles.
libby emmons
So that would be like the New York Post was was suppressed and banned on Facebook.
It was banned on Twitter.
Their account was taken down for a little while.
That was in the fall with the Hunter Biden stuff.
I think that was so interesting.
I think that opened a lot of people's eyes to what was going on with social media and with suppression and with, you know, fact checking and with the control that social media companies really have in the marketplace of ideas right now.
They can decide if an idea lives or dies or is exposed to the public or not.
I think DeSantis is a pretty fascinating guy.
I appreciate that he just goes for it on so many policies.
I liked what he did with this whole COVID thing.
He was just like, nope.
unidentified
What concerns me about this bill is that people will just stop operating in Florida.
Like if I ran Facebook, I'd be like, all right, not operating in Florida.
libby emmons
Yeah, it's interesting.
tim pool
I found it.
They say, a social media platform may not take any action to censor, deplatform, or shadowban a journalistic enterprise based on the content of its publication or broadcast.
Post-prioritization, which is the algorithm, of certain journalistic enterprise content based on payments to the social media platform by such journalistic enterprise is not a violation of this paragraph.
This paragraph does not apply if the content or material is obscene as defined in S.
unidentified
847.001.
tim pool
So there's some exclusions, but This will be the end of Wikipedia as we know it.
libby emmons
Do you think?
Yeah, so go down.
tim pool
So this Wikipedia, I don't think should be protected by section 230.
libby emmons
No, I don't think so either.
So because I don't think that I don't think they are a platform.
I think they're clearly a publisher.
tim pool
Well, so for specifically let's let's let's jump over to the critical race theory article.
We already had pulled up.
libby emmons
Let's take a look.
tim pool
It says critical race theory from Wikipedia the free encyclopedia.
It doesn't say from user Joe Bob Jr., or Joe Bob Jr., that's Joe Bob, he's Joe Bob.
You know Joe Biden's actually Joe Bob Jr.?
libby emmons
I did not know that.
tim pool
Yeah, Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.
Anyway, I digress.
It says from Wikipedia.
So my argument is, just because I submit a comment, if I comment to the New York Times and they publish it in an article, And it says the New York Times, you know, article, and then it puts my words there.
Like, that's from them.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
Not from me.
So this is interesting.
Wikipedia won't allow you to use certain sources.
I'm probably, I'd be willing to make a substantial bet the Postmillennial is not allowed on Wikipedia.
libby emmons
I think we have an entry.
tim pool
No, no, no.
I mean, like, your articles can't be used as citations.
Because they'll say it's not reliable.
libby emmons
Really, is that right?
Can we not be used as a source?
tim pool
I don't know about you specifically.
unidentified
I'm curious.
tim pool
I bet.
So there's a lot of outlets that are not allowed.
Media Matters is considered credible but biased.
NewsGuard considers Media Matters A-OK, credible.
But Wikipedia has a lot of sources that are deemed not credible and they can't be used.
Or if they're not certified credible, you can't use them either.
They'll challenge these news outlets.
libby emmons
Okay.
tim pool
Can't do that no more under this new bill in Florida.
If your organization operates in Florida, Wikipedia can't remove your stories on the basis of the content.
So perhaps they could argue, no, no, we've banned the outlet outright.
What's the reason for banning the outlet?
We don't consider them reliable.
libby emmons
Why don't you consider it?
tim pool
Because of the content.
The bill says you can't do that, which would mean You would look at critical race theory.
Anything could be added from the post-millennial.
Anything could be added from Gateway Pundit or from the Daily Wire or the Federalist.
libby emmons
But the thing that you end up with, though, is you end up with editors on Wikipedia.
You end up with the, you know, you can end up in weird Wikipedia wars where you go in and change something and then the editor who had it there in the first place goes in and changes it.
And this can go on for a long time.
tim pool
And this is where the interesting lawsuits erupt with this SB 7072.
They say that users have to be given a bunch of special provisions, like they have to be informed as to why they're being removed.
They have to be given access to all their data made available immediately.
If they don't, they can be sued.
I think as soon as DeSantis signs this, you're going to have, you know, Jim Bob with one follower sign up, or zero followers, post something outrageous, get banned, and immediately file a lawsuit.
And then they will get slammed by probably hundreds of lawsuits overnight they won't be able to deal with.
libby emmons
Well, what would happen then in the courts?
I mean, how would they deal with that?
Isn't it a fine system?
tim pool
Yes, a $100,000 fine or $10,000 fine, depending on if it's a politician.
libby emmons
Either that or they'll just open everything up and not ban anything.
And that would kind of be, I think, a better situation.
I think that's probably the goal of it, is to just have a much more free and open ideas library online.
tim pool
There's a funny meme where it's the NPC meme.
You ever seen it?
Where it's like the NPC face and then a guy responds and then angry NPC face.
And he says, my opinions are being censored on the internet.
He's wearing a MAGA hat.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
And then the normal guy says, and what opinions are those?
And then the NPC gets an angry face.
What they're trying to imply, because there's other memes that are similar, that conservatives are only complaining because they're racists.
libby emmons
Right.
Well, that's always the argument.
tim pool
But it's not true.
libby emmons
No, but it also doesn't matter if it's not true because once you get called some of these things, there's no way to walk it back.
You know, there was a, what was it like a couple of years ago or whatever, there was this weatherman who said the wrong thing and he didn't mean to say the wrong thing.
It was just the way that his mouth formed the words.
tim pool
It was like a Freudian portmanteau of two words.
libby emmons
Right.
But he didn't even mean it.
It was like a weird linguistic thing.
And John McWhorter, who is a linguist at Columbia University, came out and said, actually, this is a pretty common thing that happens.
This is a weird way that your mouth moves, the way that language sort of works in your mouth.
And dude lost his job.
Because it didn't matter.
It doesn't matter.
The only thing that matters are the appearances.
We live in a very shallow culture right now.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
tim pool
But in this capacity, what I'm bringing up is conservatives getting banned for their political opinions.
It's not just because they're racist.
You get banned for saying, learn to code.
For criticizing journalists, they will remove you from these platforms.
Many people who did not break the rules but were bombastic got banned from social media and they claimed some arbitrary or, you know, vague understanding of the rules.
Notably in the case, or outright lies, according to James O'Keefe.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
Because they banned him, supposedly, so Twitter says, for operating multiple accounts and James is now suing them for this.
libby emmons
Right.
I thought that was really interesting too and I think he's got a lot of nerve for doing that.
I respect it.
tim pool
Absolutely.
And you saw they launched PV Legal?
libby emmons
No, no, I didn't see that.
tim pool
So actually, we had James on the show, and I mentioned maybe we do something like the People's Defamation Defense Fund or something.
libby emmons
Oh, great.
tim pool
And then James was like, I'm gonna go do it.
libby emmons
And so he did it.
tim pool
So sweet.
Good for him.
But the main point is, conservatives lose.
They're going to lose because they're excised from political discourse.
Trump, some of his biggest supporters, were not allowed to rally people and communicate and post online.
They got banned across the board.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
And the most extreme leftists were allowed to stay on and say crazy, crazy things.
libby emmons
And they do say crazy things.
tim pool
Violence, call for violence, organizing violence.
libby emmons
Well, and there's all of these Antifa accounts as well that just call for, you know, when there's going to be protests and things and tell everyone where to go and then show up.
And, you know, this is something Andy Ngo works on a lot with another one of our reporters, Mia Cassell.
And they're tracking this all the time.
They're tracking these, you know, events that are just organized out in public.
And then you had the situation with, you know, the Capitol riot, the January 6th, which is, of course, the worst thing that has ever happened in this country since the Civil War, you guys.
So just be aware of that.
Yeah, you heard that, right?
So the president said it.
So it's got to be true.
But after that, you had like this massive purge of people.
You had them taking down an entire social media platform saying, you know, they took down Parler from Amazon, took it off its servers.
It got banned from the app stores.
I think it's back now.
But the idea was that all of this horrible stuff had been planned online on Parler.
And it turned out to be primarily planned on Facebook.
And nothing happened to Facebook.
Did they maybe crack down a little more?
I don't know.
Twitter sure did.
But there's just no accountability on the left at all.
It's just assumed that if they miss something, then that's just in good faith, and they're trying really hard, and they so clearly come down on the conservative side.
tim pool
Well, conservatives need to stop cooperating in their system.
The way I see it is, imagine you're playing Monopoly with someone, and they're the banker, and they just, like, reach in and pull out a 500 and put it in their pocket, and you're like, yo, I just saw you took that money, and they go, and?
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
And then you're like, okay, whatever, I guess.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
Dude, like, imagine you're sitting around with, like, five people.
libby emmons
This is how I play Monopoly with my son.
He's like, Mom, I'm taking money out of the bank.
tim pool
So imagine you got five people and you're sitting there watching the banker take the money.
You're going, dudes, he's taking the money out.
He's cheating.
And then he looks you in the eye as he hands a hundred to the friend and his friend goes, I didn't see anything.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
It's just like, why are you going to keep playing this where you've got the banker and the media together and the politicians?
libby emmons
Right.
But here's the question.
What other game is there?
The conservatives allowed culture to just be thoroughly created by the left.
All of the platforms, everything created by the left.
And then as soon as they create one, it gets banned.
tim pool
It's because when the game started, we started playing Monopoly.
This leftist goes, or this Democrat, I should say, Democrat.
libby emmons
Sure.
tim pool
I'll be the banker.
And everyone went, sure.
And the Republic goes like, I don't know about that.
Whatever, I guess.
And then they play a game and they cheat.
And the conservative goes like, well, I'll win next time.
And they cheat again.
Meanwhile, the conservative could have been like, hey, at least two other people playing this game are conservatives.
You guys want to go play Catan or something?
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
And just walk away.
So now you see the Daily Wire making movies.
libby emmons
Sure.
Which I think is great.
unidentified
Right.
Exactly.
libby emmons
I think that's terrific.
tim pool
Stop playing their game.
Stop trying to pander to these people.
They're not going to let you in the club.
libby emmons
But then what happens?
But then what happens, too, is we have a complete polarization of media.
So now we basically have like when I talk to, you know, liberals, they don't even read the same news that I read.
They don't even see the same things.
When I go on to, you know, I think I was saying before there was a I saw a panel conversation on one like CNN or MSNBC or whatever it was.
And it was Yumi Chelsindor, who's PBS White House correspondent,
and a couple of other people.
And they were talking about how the GOP is the party of fear,
that they're trying to make everyone terrified and they're playing culture wars games.
And I'm looking at this and I'm going, your guys just told me that it was a patriotic duty to wear
a mask and that I need to be terrified to send my kid back to
school until literally everyone in the country is vaccinated.
And you're telling me that us saying that critical race theory is not a great idea is us being this party of fear.
It's absolutely ridiculous.
We don't see the same news.
We don't consume the same media at all.
tim pool
The traditional liberals don't watch the news at all.
They're getting their news secondhand.
Oh, absolutely.
libby emmons
You don't think they're reading The Times every day and The Washington Post?
tim pool
Absolutely not.
And that's why they're clueless about what's going on.
That's why they just follow the trends.
And that's why trends, that's why they go back to sleep the moment Biden wins.
libby emmons
I think that they are reading The Times every day.
I think they are reading WAPO and they're watching CNN and they're consuming all of their media this way.
They're watching Rachel Maddow.
They're doing all of that stuff.
And that's where they're getting their, you know, that's where they're getting their confirmation that they're correct.
tim pool
I think, I think it's people like following Alyssa Milano.
libby emmons
Do people really follow Alyssa Milano?
tim pool
She's got millions of followers.
libby emmons
Did you see how she got destroyed the other day by that lady on TikTok?
unidentified
Yes.
libby emmons
That was pretty sweet.
tim pool
Because Alyssa Milano is a hardcore, unrepentant racist.
And I mean that literally.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
I'm not pulling punches.
libby emmons
She also totally betrayed the whole Me Too thing.
unidentified
Oh, absolutely.
libby emmons
When she was like, well, Tara Reade's probably basically a big liar.
It's like, OK, thanks.
tim pool
Like Alyssa Milano.
libby emmons
Well done.
I love how Rose McGowan is always calling her out.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Rose is great.
libby emmons
Spectacular.
tim pool
Um, you know, and she's not a big fan of Republicans.
She criticizes them as well.
But Alyssa said a whole bunch of really, really racist things.
And that woman, the black woman calls her out for saying like she, like Alyssa Milano basically said that all black men are criminals, like just really hardcore racist stuff.
But from with, with like this, this, this pandering, could you imagine like kind of voice like condescending and racist at the same time?
libby emmons
It's Brutal she also was wasn't she snapped wearing a crochet
mask because I'm really gonna keep the spike proteins Oh, so why why you know, it's the crazy thing to me. I know
tim pool
I know celebrities They hit me up actors and musicians and they're like, oh, I
better not say anything and I'm like you why why?
Why do you want to hang out with those people?
That's the craziest thing to me.
libby emmons
I don't understand that either.
And you know, there's this idea, so what are you supposed to do if you're with people that you disagree with?
Are you supposed to keep your mouth shut?
Or are you supposed to just speak up?
And I think that if everyone would just speak their mind, it doesn't have to be a big conflict to speak your mind.
Like somebody says, I think this.
And then you say, oh, I totally disagree with you.
I think this.
Let's have another beer or whatever.
Why does it have to be such a big deal to disagree with people?
tim pool
Because they don't read the news.
They follow Alyssa Milano.
But I mean this generally, not absolutely.
Obviously, some of them, many of them do watch the news.
CNN's ratings are in the gutter.
And it's because people don't care anymore.
But when Alyssa Milano says something, I looked to the people I know in Chicago, many of my friends or people I grew up with who are progressive or liberal, who could not tell me anything about politics except they can tell me about systemic racism, that Trump is bad, you ask them why and they can't really give you a reason.
libby emmons
Well, Trump is bad because he's orange.
tim pool
Well, they'll say like, dude, he lies.
And I'll tell you what, an actual conversation I had with someone is I was like, you know, someone I know back in Chicago, Trump's a liar.
There's no question.
And I'm like, what did he lie about?
And they're like, oh, come on, dude, you know he lies.
And I was like, yeah, I agree.
What did he lie about?
libby emmons
Well, the people who hated him couldn't name any policies that he had pushed forward except for the one family separation policy, which was a terrible idea and was, I think, in place for maybe a month or two.
tim pool
But this is why they don't like conversation because they don't have any answers.
And they know that the moment you say, oh, that's an interesting point.
Tell me more.
They go, uh, I can't.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
I just Alyssa Milano tweeted it.
So I just repeat it.
I have no idea.
libby emmons
And you're like, oh, no one even knows if that's true.
tim pool
But there's there's this desire to be in that club.
And it's really, really weird to me.
libby emmons
I think those people also couldn't name any of Biden's policies, although it is interesting that we were talking earlier about Biden's ratings, which are really poor.
Biden has that new hardcore libertarian policy.
poor primarily among Republicans and high among Democrats except with regard to the
border and Democrats are also rather dismayed about the border situation.
tim pool
Biden has that new hardcore libertarian policy.
I don't know if you guys saw but Biden went just absolutely relative to the current position
of the establishment.
He said, anyone who makes under $400,000 will not pay a single penny in taxes.
And I went, whoa!
libby emmons
Let's just go for it, right?
tim pool
Only tax the rich.
Sounds great.
I'm actually a big fan.
If he wants to raise a tax on people making more than $400,000, and it means everyone underneath, literally like under $400,000, no one pays taxes.
Biden, you go ahead and do that.
With my blessing.
We'll see how that goes out.
libby emmons
I'd like to grandfather that in, too.
tim pool
It's legally binding.
The president said it.
unidentified
That's like Hammurabi.
He undid debt for everyone.
He wiped debt clean for all the citizens.
tim pool
All the libertarians started laughing when Biden says this, I can imagine.
Taxation is that sticker with Biden's face on it.
libby emmons
So what's going to happen when all of the outlets run stories about how Biden said no one's going to pay taxes?
And all the fact checkers are like, Well, you didn't add enough context, because he didn't mean it.
tim pool
He can read his mind, apparently.
unidentified
Right.
libby emmons
I wonder how many people will not pay taxes.
Well, that's the thing.
That whole thing.
unidentified
Biden said it.
tim pool
It's legally binding.
libby emmons
I'm all in.
Like, let's stop.
But that whole thing about reading the politician's mind because you assume that they agree with you, that started under Obama.
Remember, Obama came out in the first place saying that he wasn't in favor of gay marriage.
And then all the people I talked to were like, oh, he just has to say that so that he can get elected.
Anything that they disagree with, he just has to say that so that he can get elected.
It's like that the leftists during the Obama administration normalized the idea that a politician should be speaking out of both sides of their mouth and that that somehow is a good thing.
tim pool
Look at Hillary Clinton.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
You got to have your public and your private positions.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
So you mean lie to the American people.
libby emmons
Lie to everybody.
tim pool
Why would your private position be the lie?
It's like, oh, now that all the cameras are off, I actually do support helping the poor.
Turn the camera on.
The poor are awful.
At least Michael Bloomberg was honest in that regard when he said, tax the poor.
Do you remember that?
libby emmons
I don't remember that, but I do, as a New Yorker, I do think Michael Bloomberg did an awful lot for the city.
Really?
Yeah, I really do.
tim pool
Well, his policy in New York was tax the poor because they don't know what's good for them, so it's better to take their money away and then give them services that actually help.
libby emmons
Well, it's like the soda tax and all that.
I was not in favor of any of that stuff.
I was in favor, though, of how much money he pumped into the New York City Department of Parks and Recreation.
We had a massive parks building spree under his administration all through the outer boroughs.
It was like Giuliani bolstered Manhattan and Bloomberg really raised a lot of the quality of life in the outer boroughs.
tim pool
Don't you have an election coming up?
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
Isn't Yang, like, on top?
libby emmons
Yang is, I think, uh, he's doing a great job of, like, being a goofy New Yorker, you know?
He and his wife will go out to dinner and they'll sit in that.
So we, uh, restaurants are, like, sort of mostly open, but they all have these, like, uh, little pods you can set in out on the sidewalk.
tim pool
To eat bugs in?
libby emmons
To eat bugs in some pods.
But like there were some photographs of Andrew Yang and his wife out for her birthday sitting in one of these pods.
I spent a good portion of the winter going out to dinner with friends with these heat lamps and the restaurant would give you blankets and we'd be like, and more whiskey.
That's what's necessary.
In the snow, drinking outside.
tim pool
New York sounds like hell right now.
libby emmons
People say that.
I love New York.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, you know, New York's like It's kind of rough.
libby emmons
You know what happened is a violent crime, I think, has increased 45% in 2020.
That's not great.
The subways are really a lot worse than they were.
That's not great.
Our leadership is garbage.
Our schools are like sort of barely open.
But soon we're going to be able to sit at bars.
unidentified
Wow.
libby emmons
That happened yesterday.
So that's exciting.
tim pool
That's crazy to me, because out here, you can just do it.
libby emmons
Yeah, you can't just do stuff in New York.
tim pool
In West Virginia, if you go to a, like, corporate store, you gotta wear a mask.
Because the big corporates, like, mandate it.
But if you go to any small business, they tell you to take the mask off.
And that, I'm like, well... That's cool.
Well, I mean, it's the policy of the local businesses, because in these areas, they actually got rid of... I don't know about how West Virginia is handling the total mask mandate, but Maryland got rid of their outdoor mask mandates.
So we're in an area where it's like Maryland, Virginia, and West Virginia.
West Virginia, life is totally normal.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
Like, no one's been affected by this.
Nobody cares.
There's like some limited restrictions, you know, but the big corporate stores typically mandate it from a corporate policy perspective.
Virginia pretty much does the masks and Maryland outdoors not so much.
Inside you do though.
libby emmons
In New York City there's mask mandates and all of that but we have absolutely no enforcement.
Earlier in the pandemic the NYPD was called upon to enforce the no gathering rules and I was talking to a guy at the NYPD and he was like Yeah, so the optics were of us arresting black and Latino people for having barbecues on their front stoops and we gave that up basically instantly.
unidentified
Wow.
libby emmons
So there's just no enforcement.
I don't know if you saw there was a guy who was showing up on Tucker Carlson all the time who had a bar in Staten Island.
tim pool
Yep.
libby emmons
So the reason the guy in Staten Island kept getting all that enforcement is because Cuomo was able to use the state police in Staten Island.
The NYPD were not enforcing at all.
They weren't enforcing closures.
They aren't enforcing masks.
They aren't enforcing gatherings.
They're not enforcing anything.
I mean, it's hard to find a cop.
I would not want to be in one of these cities.
more of them in the subways recently.
The skyrocketed shootings have skyrocketed.
Morale is really low.
All of that. But they're not enforcing masks.
tim pool
So I would not want to be in one of these cities.
You see that video of the guy at Disney World or land or whatever
and he's crying.
libby emmons
No.
tim pool
Yeah. So it's like a guy with a woman and she's filming and he's
just bawling his eyes out.
And it's just there.
There really is.
I don't I don't know what's happening, but the culture war divide, it's not necessarily left versus right.
That is a big component of it.
It's how you might describe the tribes.
But boy, are there really different two different groups of people.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
To say the least.
libby emmons
Yeah.
Speaking of cities also, we don't hear much about this, but in Montreal, I have a lot of co-workers in Montreal.
There's a curfew of 8 p.m.
Grown adults are forced back into their homes at 8 p.m., and you get ticketed if you're out, like big tickets, like $1,500 tickets.
And there's been large protests against these lockdowns, but it doesn't seem to be making any difference at all to the government there.
tim pool
Well, I think the issue is that, I tweeted, we are watching the most dramatic de-radicalization of the left we have ever seen in history.
libby emmons
Because they're just doing what they're supposed to do.
They're just doing what they're told.
tim pool
Annoying notifications. Uh, well, so many of these prominent leftists were anti-fbi anti-cia
anti-government pro-freedom pro-free speech Anti-big pharma anti-monsanto now all of a sudden a whole
bunch of these leftists that I know Anarchists, you know or they were right cheering on massive,
you know It's so weird.
libby emmons
And also doing what they're told all the time.
Like saying, you know, we're all supposed to get the vaccine because we're told to do it.
We're all supposed to wear face masks because we're told to do it.
We're not supposed to see our friends.
We're not supposed to do anything.
It is sort of fascinating to see anti-authoritarians succumbing to this.
unidentified
It's a culture of fear, like when you're cast overboard and you're drowning, it doesn't matter whose flag is painted on the lifeboat that comes up.
tim pool
That's not what I'm talking about.
unidentified
They basically are afraid for their lives, so they're clinging to what they think their best chance.
tim pool
No, I'm talking about people who are gleefully gloating and cheering on the FBI, even though they're like Antifa.
I have a bunch of people I know who are Antifa on Facebook.
I was down at Occupy Wall Street.
I have thousands of friends who are leftists on Facebook and thousands who are right.
And I see the leftists posting like, yeah, FBI!
And I'm like, aren't you the guy for the Giuliani stuff?
libby emmons
Oh yeah.
tim pool
And I'm like, aren't you the people who hated the FBI and thought that the warrantless spying and all this crazy stuff the government was doing was bad?
And they're like, well, I mean, it's good to see justice finally.
And I'm like, so you were never actually about curtailing government authority.
It was just, I like power when it's for me.
libby emmons
I think we are seeing a lot of that.
Did you see that CIA, that like super woke CIA thing?
unidentified
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Super creepy.
libby emmons
That was so creepy.
tim pool
It's a commercial for the CIA and it's a woman like, I'm a cisgendered, you know... Intersectional.
Intersectional woman of color with generalized anxiety disorder.
libby emmons
Right.
And I am working for the CIA.
unidentified
Wow.
libby emmons
Yeah, it was about how, yeah, even if you're not a white person, you can go work for the CIA.
But that wasn't really, that wasn't really the message that came across.
Instead, it just looked like the CIA is a massively dysfunctional organization with a lot of navel gazing and ego trips.
tim pool
Yeah, that sounds about right.
libby emmons
Yeah, maybe that is what it is.
unidentified
Did you ever see the CIA headquarters?
It looks like the Starship Enterprise, the bridge or the Starship Enterprise.
Oh, does it?
What?
Yeah, they have it built so like it's like a captain's chair in the middle.
libby emmons
Wow.
unidentified
Talk about ego.
libby emmons
Yeah, that does sound pretty cool.
unidentified
I mean, look, hold on, hold on, hold on a minute.
tim pool
It's a legend.
Ian?
If I had a government budget that was like in the trillions of dollars.
unidentified
Oh, I know you would.
I'm giving myself the Picard chair.
libby emmons
It's a pretty cool chair.
unidentified
Yeah.
So what's your favorite Star Trek?
tim pool
I'd have the whole thing, I'd have Worf behind me.
The Next Generation.
libby emmons
Next Generation is your favorite?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I've been just watching.
It's on the BBC every day around the right time.
libby emmons
Oh, it's on Netflix.
All of them.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
libby emmons
And before that, I had Japanese bootlegs of the whole seven seasons.
tim pool
People don't like Voyager.
I like Voyager.
I like, you know, Deep Space Nine is really good.
libby emmons
I love Deep Space Nine.
I think Avery Brooks is just an amazing captain.
tim pool
I haven't watched any of the new ones, though.
libby emmons
No, I haven't either.
unidentified
It could be the NSA that has that.
libby emmons
I did get sucked into the original series, though, during the pandemic.
tim pool
That one I haven't watched.
libby emmons
You know, it's great and it's super campy.
It's really a lot of fun.
tim pool
Yeah, like season one of The Next Generation was kind of, and the writer grew a beard, right?
But going back to the main point, we are witnessing this massive de-radicalization, and so we're talking about the curfew in Montreal.
The reason why these protests don't work is because the organized activist left that actually pressures the government, typically, and usually wins, like in the United States, they don't care about this.
They're in favor of locking down.
libby emmons
Well, we saw that early in the pandemic.
I think it was like April 21st or something like that.
There was a big protest of some anti-lockdown people in Michigan.
And they, you know, stormed the Capitol in Michigan.
They stormed Lansing and were denounced as horrible grandma killers and white supremacists and racists.
tim pool
Far right.
libby emmons
Right?
These terrible, terrible people who just wanted to go to the coffee shop and get their hair done and things.
Of course, it's just evil to want to leave your house.
So they were just, you know, really thrown under the bus.
Media denounced them.
Everyone said they were terrible.
And it was, you know, a month and a couple of days later when all of a sudden you had massive protests and those were okay.
So the lockdown protests That was a problem.
Wanting to get your life back, wanting to reopen your business, that meant you were a super bad person and should probably, you know, be completely threatened and deplatformed.
But then if you're protesting racism, you get a full pass.
tim pool
This is why I think conservatives at this point are really dumb for continuing to support cops.
We had that period.
libby emmons
You don't think conservatives should support cops?
tim pool
Absolutely not.
libby emmons
What do you think they should do instead?
tim pool
They should protest cops and call for their abolition.
libby emmons
Do you think conservatives should call for police abolition?
unidentified
Yes, 100%.
libby emmons
With like Ilhan Omar, just get out there.
Absolutely, 100%.
I am dying to hear why you think that.
tim pool
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Before the elections and before the COVID lockdowns, there's a good reason to want to have police.
I mean, crime's been skyrocketing across, you know, a bunch of different cities since police have been defunded and demoralized.
However, after the elections, and I've said this many times, when the voters rejected the position that cops are good and voted for those who opposed the police, well, at that point, I say, first, if you're a cop staying in this political environment where they're gonna lock you up, they're gonna put you in jail, well then, I'm not gonna defend you when that time comes because you decided to stay in the burning building.
Perhaps you said, I'm gonna stay in to try and save lives.
Okay, I can respect that.
Still, I warned you and said, get out while you still can.
You know, the fire was coming.
What we're seeing now with COVID, the police gleefully gave tickets to the Jewish community, harassed Jews in synagogues, padlocked gates shut so that little Jewish children couldn't play in playgrounds.
As you mentioned, they weren't enforcing in New York at that bar owner, but the state police did come and barricade.
So cops, at this point, cops are cops.
Many conservatives actually started smack-talking police.
We saw a ton of conservative commentators saying that the cops turned their back on the good, hard-working small business and started arresting and fining people and ticketing people and harassing them just because they were told to.
We see the cops guarding the illegal Black Lives Matter mural in New York City.
Bill de Blasio had no authorization to appropriate funds to do that.
And 27 cops stood guard and arrested those who challenged the illegal actions of the mayor.
How could you as a conservative, who likely, not every single person, many who don't live in the big cities, defend corrupt Democrat politicians and the police forces that are enabling them to keep doing the illegal things they're doing like painting big Black Lives Matter murals and arresting small business owners and families and shutting down churches?
libby emmons
But what police do is what the executive branch tells them to do.
That's their job.
So the police aren't there to have their own independent opinion.
tim pool
Did Bill de Blasio break the law?
libby emmons
Did Bill de Blasio break the law in putting the— Appropriating taxpayer dollars to paint on the ground?
To paint that big Black Lives Matter mural in front of the Trump Tower just to be a jerk.
Right, he did, right?
Yeah, he did not have a permit to do that.
tim pool
So that means that the police officers were aiding and abetting a crime, theft of taxpayer dollars.
I'm sorry, I don't care if you're a cop.
You break the law, you break the law.
libby emmons
So you think they should have gone up there and arrested Bill de Blasio.
tim pool
That's perhaps true, but— The cops, at the very least, should have said, we will not stand guard at an illegal street mural.
libby emmons
Right, they probably shouldn't have done that, but they also primarily have to do what they're told.
That's what they do.
tim pool
If the mayor told a cop to rob a bank and the cop did it, he should go to prison.
libby emmons
Well, sure.
tim pool
If the mayor steals public funds to paint the street and then tells the cops to guard his illicit work, the cops are breaking the law.
libby emmons
Yeah, but I also don't think that destroying the institution of law enforcement is going to do anything to make anything better, no matter who's fighting for it.
tim pool
You see what just happened in Portland?
unidentified
Which one?
tim pool
There's a video Andy Ngo posted.
libby emmons
Portland is a disaster.
tim pool
Well, so look, there's a guy, I don't know who he is, I don't know, maybe he did something.
All I see is this one video, and based on this one video, we see Antifa marching towards a guy who's backing up with a baseball bat, saying, get away, I'm warning you, get away, I'll come back, I'll F you up, get away from me.
The cops immediately arrest him and apologize to Antifa.
libby emmons
Well, Portland is a mess, too.
tim pool
So why are conservatives defending cops who are doing that?
libby emmons
Are they defending cops who are doing that?
Or are they defending the institution of police work?
tim pool
So what do we have right now in terms of these big cities with cops who have been shutting down churches, who have been defending the corrupt politicians, and arresting anyone?
Like, Portland, I understand, is a mess.
So, OK, how about this?
We'll get specific.
Abolish the Portland Police Department.
libby emmons
Well, the mayor, I think, is in charge of the Portland Police Department.
He's the commissioner.
Yeah, so probably they should get rid of that mayor and get a mayor who knows what he's doing.
tim pool
I think the responsibility is to the individual.
libby emmons
The individual police officers, sure.
And they are leaving the forces in droves and they're going places where I think Kristi Noem put out a thing saying, like, we're hiring police officers.
I think there's some hiring going on in Dallas.
You know, these officers who are leaving these big blue cities are finding work elsewhere.
And I think it makes sense for them to do that.
But I don't think that it makes sense to completely say that, you know, law enforcement itself should be abolished.
tim pool
In Florida, you can own guns.
libby emmons
Sure.
tim pool
In West Virginia, guns.
Wyoming, guns.
Texas.
Interestingly, Texas has some pretty serious laws.
libby emmons
In New York, you can own illegal guns without any real impunity.
tim pool
In Chicago, you basically can't.
In Maryland and New Jersey, you basically can't.
You can own long guns, handguns.
They just have insane restrictions.
And it's the police that are going to be the ones to take away your constitutional right.
libby emmons
Well, they're going to enforce it.
They're going to enforce that law.
Unconstitutional.
Yeah, if a law passes, it'd be unconstitutional for sure.
tim pool
So why would a cop who's sworn off the Constitution say, eh, well, you know, my corrupt boss told me to arrest you, so you're under arrest?
libby emmons
Are cops sworn to protect the Constitution?
unidentified
Yes.
libby emmons
I thought that was the judiciary.
unidentified
That's the police.
tim pool
The police swear an oath to the Constitution.
libby emmons
Really?
tim pool
Yes, they do.
libby emmons
That's interesting.
tim pool
And they don't uphold it.
So I think about red states.
libby emmons
Well, they uphold the law, right?
And then if the law is challenged, they would uphold the law that was remade.
tim pool
There's interesting arguments, I understand.
I think we need police, but here's what I'm saying.
Maybe we should say abolish blue state police.
You look at the red states that have been doing a really good job with COVID, not arresting people for running their businesses, allowing things to remain open and tactfully.
Yeah, I saw that.
A lot of constitutional carry laws being passed. So now I think it's like Iowa or Utah or whatever
Texas is about to pass it as well. Yeah, I saw that West Virginia already has it. I look these red states and I'm
like the cops They're doing a fantastic job
And they've got and there's better leadership not perfect and you look at these blue states and the cops are enforcing
the most insane Interpretation right ending Antifa. They're not being
prosecuted You if you accidentally cross the bridge from Philly into
New Jersey with a handgun, that's a fanny Then you're really in trouble.
And a cop would actually lock you up for this.
libby emmons
But don't you think that's a question of leadership?
I mean, the police are, the police are there to, they basically do what they're told.
That's bad.
Well, that's what it is.
That's really, really bad.
I'm not saying that's good or bad.
I'm saying that is their function.
That's the same thing is true with the you know, with the military.
Do we want a situation?
Right.
And so here's the question.
Do you want a situation where the enforcement branch of the executive arm of government is going against that executive arm of government?
Do we want that branch of government to just be split in half like that?
Do we want law enforcement saying, I know that you're supposed to tell me what to do, and that's your job, and my job is to do what I'm told, and we're not going to do that anymore?
Do we want the army to stand up to the president and say, we're not going to do what you tell us?
tim pool
Yes.
libby emmons
We want that.
tim pool
We absolutely do, yeah.
If the president said do something illegal, it's actually by law they have to say no.
libby emmons
Isn't that where we start landing into a military coup type of situation?
I think that that's a dangerous thing.
tim pool
Well, if the president gives an illegal order, by law they have to say no.
The police swore an oath of constitution and still are willing to uphold unlawful activities.
libby emmons
Yeah, I mean, I think it's a real problem to say that we want the police force to stand up on its own hind legs and, you know, start marching around the farmyard and telling the other animals what to do.
tim pool
I think it's a big stretch to say that versus cops should reject illegal orders.
libby emmons
Probably they should reject illegal orders.
But they don't.
tim pool
So why should I support them?
libby emmons
I don't know.
I don't know.
I mean, I live in Brooklyn, New York, and if we don't have police officers, we're going to have an even worse situation than we have now.
tim pool
But didn't you already say the cops are nowhere to be seen and they're not enforcing anything?
libby emmons
I don't see them around.
They're not enforcing COVID orders.
tim pool
So it sounds like they're doing good.
libby emmons
I'm happy that they're not enforcing that.
tim pool
Well, I should say not enforcing the unconstitutional things.
I guess the issue I have right now is it seems like a lot of the arguments for police are coming from urban conservatives, which are few and far between relative to rural conservatives.
libby emmons
Right.
There's like five of us and we have dinner a couple of times.
tim pool
So for me, I'm kind of like, we don't have cops out here, but I'm allowed to have, you know, to an extent weapons because we're actually in Maryland.
We're on the border.
So in West Virginia, you can literally walk around with a Barrett, you know, M82, if you want to.
It's really heavy and probably ridiculous, but you could.
And I wonder why it is that in these, you know, I wouldn't call them dens, but they're communities that have, you have next door neighbors, like literally 10 feet from your house, just like any other urban community.
Why is there no, won't be breaking in anybody's houses?
And there's no cops.
And why is it that New York City, you've got Democrats, these activists, complaining about the cops, but it's the 20% of New York that's conservative defending them, meanwhile also getting abused by them.
I just don't see any legitimate argument.
libby emmons
But the Democrats in New York City who are calling for getting rid of police, They don't actually mean what they're saying, right?
Like, the Park Slope Democrats don't mean, you know, get the police out of Park Slope.
They don't mean that at all.
They mean... Do they say it?
What?
tim pool
Are they saying it?
libby emmons
They say, like, defund police.
tim pool
Well, then... But that's not what they... We can't read their minds.
libby emmons
Yeah, no, we can't read their minds.
But you know what they're saying.
They're saying police are racist and get them out of the black communities.
And then the police leave the black communities and crime goes up and more more people get killed.
tim pool
But we shouldn't assume that, you know, when we see people in his community saying, get the cops out of here, I think we should say, okay, that's your community, not mine.
unidentified
Yeah, but that's because you live out here and I'm like... No, I'm from the South Side of Chicago.
libby emmons
Yeah, but you live out here.
tim pool
So I'd love to have in the South Side of Chicago been able to bear arms to defend myself from the gang violence.
Instead, after getting shot at, I'm like, I probably shouldn't live here anymore.
libby emmons
Well, because you can't really have a gun there.
tim pool
But, you know, the gang members can because, you know.
libby emmons
Because they get them illegally.
tim pool
Right.
And so law-abiding citizens can't do anything.
libby emmons
This is kind of what I was saying.
tim pool
But the cops would arrest me if I tried to do anything about it.
libby emmons
In New York City, we had Giuliani who came in and really started trying to clean up the city in, what, like, 92.
And I remember it very distinctly because it got a lot harder to buy drugs in Washington Square Park.
We had to, like, go down the Lower East Side to do that.
We, you know, we made it work.
We figured out a workaround.
But, so Giuliani really did an awful lot to clamp down on crime in the city.
Manhattan got a lot safer.
And it was actually pretty remarkable.
And then when Bloomberg came in, he took this gift of a really safe Manhattan and he used that to create basically a playground for the wealthy and then bolster the outer boroughs.
So the outer boroughs got a lot safer, too.
He got slammed for this, you know, broken windows policing thing.
But that was actually rather effective policy.
And the entire city got drastically more safe.
tim pool
It's just too authoritarian for me.
libby emmons
Well, I mean, it was pretty magical to be able to like walk around Manhattan at four o'clock in the morning with absolutely no fear for your safety.
What, a year and two months ago?
tim pool
Did they have guns banned back then?
libby emmons
I really don't know.
I never looked into owning a gun in New York City until maybe like a month or so ago.
tim pool
Do you ever hear the story about the black cop who started giving out tickets in Central Park?
libby emmons
No.
tim pool
I could be getting the story wrong, but it was basically a black cop shows up in Central Park and starts handing out tickets to couples sitting down on a picnic with wine.
Public drinking is a petty offense.
Here's your fine and your summons or whatever.
Well, the reason he did it, I guess, was because the cops would go to the black neighborhoods and start giving out tickets to people drinking 40s on their stew.
libby emmons
Sure.
tim pool
And so he said, you want to come to my neighborhood?
I'm going to go to Central Park and do the same thing.
The cop got in trouble, got reprimanded.
So these big cities that have been run by Democrats for generations have these problems with asymmetrical enforcement.
And I think poverty is a big component of it, less so race, but I do think race plays a role.
Why should I defend these cops when the Democrats are the ones complaining about them, and they're willing to enforce unconstitutional laws, and I don't live there?
So sure, 20% of the people who live there are conservative and defending cops.
Meanwhile, they're the ones being locked down by the cops, and the cops are defending anti-fun, protecting them.
Or at the very least, when they do arrest them, the DAs cut them loose.
Then when a conservative gets arrested, they get the book thrown at them.
I don't know.
are willing to say I'm being neutral by arresting the both of you and the DA says good job.
Antifa you're free to go.
Conservative welcome to jail.
libby emmons
I don't know the protests that I went to this year in Union Square and around New York City.
I saw maybe like a couple of times somebody got arrested and usually it was one of the
protesters and most of the time what I saw were cops.
You know the protesters would come up to them and say you guys are pigs and all of this
And the cops would just applaud them and say, oh, you're so brave, so courageous, so brave.
No, they were they were making fun of them.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
But you remember when the cops took a knee for the for the protesters?
libby emmons
Yes, I do remember that.
tim pool
Brilliant thing for conservatives to support.
libby emmons
That happened in Brooklyn.
I thought that was a horror show, in fact.
And I wrote in opposition to that, in fact.
tim pool
So I think conservatives are unwilling to stand up for themselves, and that's part of the problem.
libby emmons
I think this is a very dangerous game, though.
I think defunding police, no matter what side you're on, saying that we do not need law enforcement Have you tried to buy a gun in New York City?
It's like several weeks, you need an interview, you need to give them a reason why you need to buy a gun.
tim pool
Sounds like you've got an authoritarianism problem.
libby emmons
Well, that is an authoritarian problem.
Yeah, I agree.
But I think that it's a dangerous...
I hear what you're saying about police not upholding their duty.
I think it's a very dangerous road to go down to say that we don't need police at all because they are ineffectual.
Again, it's destroying something without building anything in its place.
Build a framework first.
tim pool
Yeah, I do.
The problem is when what's happening is that cops will, without hesitation, arrest moderates and conservatives, or even in some instances liberals, especially if they're upholding their Second Amendment rights in a city with skyrocketing gun violence and crime.
I'm like, well, that's kind of a problem then, because they can't keep control of the crime, but they're absolutely willing to arrest law-abiding citizens who get scared and want to buy something to defend themselves.
libby emmons
I'll check that out.
I haven't seen those cases, but I'll take a look at it.
tim pool
People getting arrested for having guns?
libby emmons
People getting arrested in New York for having... Happens all the time.
Illegal guns, for having illegal guns.
tim pool
Well, yeah, because they're all illegal.
libby emmons
Well, they're not all illegal.
tim pool
You can't get a gun in New York.
libby emmons
There's a shooting range near my house.
If you go to the CBS near my house, you can hear a lot of gunfire.
It's kind of jarring because it's downstairs from the CBS.
tim pool
Illegal guns are what people have in places like New York because you need a qualifying reason to actually get a gun.
libby emmons
Right, but illegal guns are also what are shooting little babies at barbecues in the middle of Bed-Stuy.
tim pool
Yeah, because criminals commit crimes.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
The cops can't stop it, can they?
libby emmons
Yeah, I mean, there should be, I think, better gun laws in New York.
Once I looked into it, I was actually really shocked to find how difficult it would be to get any kind of weapon.
tim pool
So less gun laws?
libby emmons
I think the gun laws should not be quite so strict at all.
tim pool
I think most conservatives don't live in big cities that are run by Democrats.
And I think it's silly to support the broken and unconstitutional systems propped up by Democrats when you don't live there.
And then just, it makes no sense to me at this point.
Now, before the election, I was absolutely like, yeah, these people are crazy.
Defund the police is nuts.
And then when the people in the cities all voted to defund their police and support Democrats, I'm like... I think that's insane too.
libby emmons
I certainly didn't vote to defund the police.
Did you see what happened in Minneapolis?
That went really badly.
They defunded police.
Seattle defunded police.
tim pool
They voted for it.
libby emmons
They voted for it.
tim pool
And so the people should look.
I lived in New York for like five or six years and there were serious problems with crime.
And I lived on the street where the two cops got executed by the black nationalist.
libby emmons
Yeah, I remember that.
tim pool
So I was like, oh, going to leave. So I moved over, I jumped the river to the
Jersey side. And then someone planted bombs in Manhattan and in Jersey City and I was
like, I'm going to move maybe away from these cities. They can't stop the violence and the
crime. But they can stop you from defending yourself as a law-abiding citizen.
libby emmons
They can stop you from getting a gun because they have really harsh gun control laws.
tim pool
That don't work.
libby emmons
Yeah, that don't actually keep illegal guns off the streets.
tim pool
And who's enforcing that?
libby emmons
Oh, I'm sure it's the police.
tim pool
Absolutely.
libby emmons
But I don't think it makes sense to take it away without building something in its place.
We can't have a situation where there's no police in New York City.
That's just a that's just a horrifying idea.
But what already we're looking at it, right?
We're looking at.
So we had votes to defund the police.
I think Bloomberg took a bunch of money away from police and gave it to prostitutes or something like that.
I mean, something really stupid.
Social workers are supposed to show up now at calls or whatever else.
But I don't think that we can just destroy it and take it away if there's nothing in
its place.
We've already seen so much violent crime increase, and a lot of that is because the police have
been pushed aside and dropped away.
I think if you talk to the police commissioner at this point, he's not in favor of any of
this stuff either.
So, sure, like, are the police doing a bad job?
Yes.
Does that mean we need to get rid of the police?
No.
It also doesn't mean we need to reform them in the way that the leftists are saying we need to reform them, because that's not effective either.
tim pool
I think people need, we need to bring back individual responsibility.
libby emmons
Well, sure, I totally agree with individual responsibility.
tim pool
I don't think it makes sense to be like, we should have more cops arresting more people so I can feel safe, even though I'm not allowed to have a gun.
libby emmons
No, I'm not saying there should be more cops arresting more people.
tim pool
Well, that broken window policing is where they use the harshest enforcement tactics on the lowest level crime.
libby emmons
But what they do when they, when they were doing the broken windows thing, what they were doing is they were finding illegal guns.
That's how that, that's how that worked.
When they were arresting, you know, turnstile jumpers, which I don't think you should be arresting turnstile jumpers necessarily.
tim pool
What makes the guns illegal?
libby emmons
What makes the guns illegal is that they don't have a permit to carry them.
tim pool
The Constitution says you can.
libby emmons
OK, so what do you want to do about it?
You want to just get rid of police and let the cities burn?
Is that what you're like?
What is your proposal to replace the police?
So if there's no police, right, let's say let's say the thing goes forward.
Let's say the leftists defund all the police and the conservatives stop supporting police.
And then all the police are just like, oh, this job is horrifying.
I'm going to quit and go do something else.
Then what happens?
Right.
What happens to the cities and what is supposed to take the place of the police?
Are we just not supposed to have any enforcement at all?
What's the point of having any laws?
Once we take away the police, you still have courts.
OK, so you if there's no one to arrest anybody, then there's no reason to have a court.
If there's no one to enforce the laws, if there's no one to enforce a law, then why do we have any laws?
tim pool
Why is it that only some laws are being enforced and some aren't, and why is it that it's favorable to the left?
libby emmons
I don't know that it is in all cases, but I don't think you're proposing a solution.
I think that you're just jumping on board, saying like, you know, these guys are doing a bad job anyway, so let's just get rid of them.
tim pool
There's a solution.
Buy a gun.
libby emmons
So the solution for all crime is that we should all just be armed?
tim pool
Yes.
You can defend yourself if you're armed.
libby emmons
What if you have no hands?
How are you supposed to do that?
tim pool
That's not a real argument, though.
libby emmons
But it kind of is.
tim pool
How is a person with no hands supposed to defend themselves, period?
With their feet, I guess?
libby emmons
But the police would protect a person with no hands ideally.
tim pool
Private security?
libby emmons
So let's say you're poor, you can't afford private security, and you don't have your hands to hold a gun.
I mean, this sounds absurd.
tim pool
The cops are arresting people simply for having illegal guns, but the guns can't be illegal under the Constitution anyway.
So it sounds like what happened is New York passed a bunch of unconstitutional laws they're using to arrest innocent people.
libby emmons
Perhaps that's true, but they're not only arresting people for having guns.
tim pool
Broken windows policing resulted in the policy idea was that if you arrest people for the lowest level crimes like jaywalking, you will actually deal with higher level crimes.
So they would arrest someone for jaywalking and it's extremely disruptive to someone's life.
libby emmons
I don't think you're getting arrested for jaywalking first of all.
Um, I think you're getting arrested for other things, probably not.
tim pool
That was the idea of broken windows policing.
Right.
libby emmons
But if you have somebody, you know, if you have people committing lower level crimes, right?
So why don't we look at the data?
So under Bloomberg, you had this situation.
You had, you know, you had stop and frisk, which, of course, was extremely racist because it was only done in black and brown communities because it was only done in the most poor communities.
So you have that and then you have, you know, the broken windows thing.
How did we get to a point where New York was so safe?
How did we get to a point where New York was the safest city in the country?
tim pool
Authoritarianism.
libby emmons
It wasn't just authoritarianism.
There was a decrease in crime and most people were able to live freely on all levels of society.
tim pool
And what was the cause of that decrease in crime?
libby emmons
Well, that's what I'm asking.
tim pool
So there's a bunch of different theories on it.
The most interesting, I think, is actually the removal of lead from gasoline.
The removal of lead from gasoline actually correlates very closely to a decrease in crime.
libby emmons
In, like, the 2010s?
tim pool
I think this was, like, in the 70s or 80s.
libby emmons
OK, because I'm talking about... I mean, it was in the last... within, like, the last 20 years that New York basically was Disneyland.
tim pool
So I don't think that the lead thing is the perfect example, but Sure.
pollutants in the air was causing people to have problems.
So they say.
The other issue is that general prosperity in the U.S.
and economic economic expansion reduced the amount of crime in
general. Sure.
Sure it did. Cell phones are one of the biggest.
One of the biggest reasons why there's less murder is historically in a certain period from like two that like
around the late 2000s into 2010s was because people were still
trying to kill you.
But now you could call 911 the moment it happened substantially
libby emmons
decreasing the likelihood of death so why is there so much now attempted
So why is there so much more crime now that we have pulled back on police?
tim pool
There's a lot of reasons for it.
One is probably the defunding of police, for sure.
Then there's also COVID, desperation, anger, rage, people being locked up in their homes.
An increase in poverty probably was a substantial component to an increase in crime.
libby emmons
Was there an increase in poverty in New York City this past year?
tim pool
Well, people didn't have jobs.
A lot of people lost their work.
libby emmons
A lot of people lost jobs.
tim pool
Businesses shut down.
libby emmons
A bunch of people left New York City entirely.
tim pool
Rich people, though.
libby emmons
Yeah, like 400,000 rich families.
tim pool
So poor people or lower middle class or middle class who lost their jobs and now are reliant on these stimulus payments, which weren't particularly well, they weren't really enough money.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
So then people become angry and desperate, not to mention that there's no one really on the streets.
So it was it was interesting because initially there was a decrease in crime simply because of a decrease because there was no one there.
libby emmons
But then, yeah, the emptiness, the emptiness creates more crime.
tim pool
So I think.
libby emmons
So what should happen?
So your vision for New York City is that there's no police at all and just everyone's walking around with a gun.
tim pool
Well, before the election, I would have said having a police department, for sure.
But I think the problem now is you have a bunch of gluttonous city dwellers who are just accepting of the big hand of government to do everything for them.
Instead of taking responsibility for the fact that you have problems in your city, people say, just let the government do it.
The police should do it, even when the police will uphold unconstitutional laws.
But most importantly, this stems from watching the police oppress People going to church.
People going to synagogue.
libby emmons
All of that stuff was completely wrong, but I don't think... I still just don't think that taking away... I won't accept authoritarianism for the sake of feeling safe, sorry.
Those who would give up... I don't think taking away law enforcement is actually going to create a safer city.
tim pool
Those who would give up freedom in exchange for security deserve neither and will lose both.
libby emmons
Yeah, but in a city where you have so many people living close to each other... Pretty sure Ben Franklin lived in a city.
Yeah, but Philadelphia in 1776 was nothing like New York City in 2021.
tim pool
I don't think that's a justification for disregarding the Constitution.
libby emmons
No, perhaps not.
But I also don't think that entirely police are I don't know what all these cases are.
I mean, are you talking just specifically about guns?
tim pool
I'm talking about first and foremost they shut down churches in violation of the First Amendment.
libby emmons
And that went to the Supreme Court and it was overturned.
tim pool
And then Cuomo immediately said, don't care, I'll do another one and did it again.
libby emmons
Right.
But it was overturned in the Supreme Court.
tim pool
Except Cuomo ignored it and just signed another executive order, and de Blasio did it again.
libby emmons
But the churches are open in New York City.
tim pool
Eventually, sure.
libby emmons
But not immediately.
No, well the diocese had to decide, and the communities had to decide for themselves if they were going to do it themselves.
tim pool
While the churches were shut down, the city allowed Black Lives Matter to protest without masks on.
libby emmons
Yes, and that was insanity.
But that's not a reason to take away law enforcement.
tim pool
When they're the ones enforcing a corrupt political system and absolving themselves of responsibility, I actually think it is.
libby emmons
I think in a lot of cases you had the churches themselves staying closed after the order, which I don't think was reasonable either.
tim pool
The cop spying on children at Jewish schools?
The video where the cop goes into a Hasidic Jewish man's eatery that was closed simply because he propped the door open for air?
libby emmons
Yeah, I don't think that's okay either.
But what I don't think you're providing is any kind of reasonable solution to it.
unidentified
I am, yeah.
tim pool
It's called personal responsibility.
libby emmons
You're saying that everyone should just be walking around with a gun.
tim pool
Absolutely, yes.
libby emmons
In New York City.
Yep.
I think that's not a great idea.
tim pool
You're responsible for what comes out of that gun?
You're responsible for your own safety?
Stop enforcing unconstitutional edict enforcement simply because you don't want to be responsible for yourself.
libby emmons
I don't think that walking around with a gun is necessarily the way that everyone would choose to be responsible for themselves.
And I think there are a lot of people where walking around with a gun is not a responsible move at all.
tim pool
If you were in New York City and a guy came up to you with a gun, is a cop going to jump out from the woodwork and save you?
libby emmons
No.
tim pool
So what do you do?
libby emmons
I don't know.
Probably get shot.
tim pool
So it doesn't sound like you have a real solution for how to deal with crime in your city.
libby emmons
But like if I was walking around with a gun and someone popped out and had a gun, I would probably still get shot.
unidentified
That's not always going to work for everybody.
tim pool
So why is it in West Virginia you can have these big communities and there's no police department, but people aren't breaking into every single building and getting mugged in the street?
libby emmons
People aren't breaking into every single building and getting mugged in the street all the time in New York either.
Well, crime is skyrocketing in New York City.
Crime is skyrocketing in New York City.
tim pool
Violent crime is shootings.
libby emmons
Violent crime.
Yeah.
tim pool
Why is it?
libby emmons
I'm not sure why it is exactly.
So I think... I mean, I think we had police pull back an awful lot.
I think that was bad.
I think we had, you know, the COVID restrictions were pretty bad as well.
But I don't...
You know, I just am not seeing your solution as very viable.
tim pool
I think it's it's not so much of a solution being viable.
It's how much how much do you reject the Constitution on the principles of modernity?
libby emmons
I think we have to fight them in ways that are not just necessarily like from our hip.
We have systems in place.
We have a government system in place for a reason, and I think that it can be pretty effective.
We have to elect better leaders for sure.
That's a problem.
tim pool
I think this is why conservatives get crushed repeatedly.
libby emmons
Why?
Because we're not willing to just walk around with guns and shoot everybody?
tim pool
Well, because they're deferential to the left in every respect.
libby emmons
I don't think this is deference.
tim pool
Absolutely.
libby emmons
I think it's deference to the social order, and I think it's deference to, you know, the three branches of government and the checks and balances on those.
tim pool
The cops have been maligned, and the ones who stay on the job are dropping to their knees and groveling.
The people in the city have been disarmed, and the ones who are refusing to defend themselves are dropping to their knees and groveling.
The mayor illegally appropriated tax funds to paint a political message in front of a building, and the police defended it, and the people of the city who stay there are dropping to their knees and groveling.
libby emmons
I don't think that's true in most of the cases.
tim pool
It's just apathy.
It's a disregard for what this country was built upon, the founding principles, what it means to be responsible for yourself.
It is saying, I understand the Democrats passed unconstitutional laws, the cops shouldn't force it anyway because I'm not responsible.
libby emmons
So what do you think of the whole fourth turning concept?
Do you think that's where we are?
Do you think we're in that last?
That last area where it's just like everybody's completely weak and ineffectual and then we're going to have something really bad happen to create more stronger, like strong people who then take charge.
I mean, what are we looking at?
Like we have like a pretty stark disagreement here with regard to the social order.
I mean, you seem to think it's in a much worse place than I do, which honestly, like, you know, perhaps I'm a little optimistic.
That's something.
That's something that nobody would have ever accused me of ever in my life previously.
tim pool
Did you watch the Chauvin trial?
libby emmons
No, I did not watch the Chauvin trial.
tim pool
I watched the Chauvin trial and I heard the prosecution's own witness argue that Chauvin used the lesser force option.
We're now hearing reports, I haven't verified these, that one of the jurors was previously a public Black Lives Matter activist.
libby emmons
I read about that, yeah.
tim pool
The judicial system is corrupted by spineless and feckless judges and court officers who don't want to face any repercussions.
Some of the jurors, the one juror who came out and said she was an alternate, that I was scared, I didn't want to go through the rights of destruction again.
libby emmons
Yeah, I read about that as well.
tim pool
These are people who are willing to give up all of their freedoms in exchange for security.
What we are watching is that justice is being crushed.
Kyle Rittenhouse will likely get life in prison for defending himself.
You can watch a 78-year-old man get bashed in the back of the head by Antifa, but heaven forbid you actually want to defend your community.
And then what happens is conservatives still keep coming out and groveling before the left.
libby emmons
I don't think they're groveling before the left.
I don't think that's what's going on.
I think they're supporting, you know, a democratic system of government, which is worth supporting.
tim pool
So you're playing a game that's the other side is cheating over and over again, threatening to flip the board and hit everybody.
And the conservatives keep going, okay, okay.
And I don't mean all conservatives.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
I mean, especially mean the Republican party and, and, and the people, the conservatives who remain in these cities who are defending a broken system.
Yes.
We're all conservatives.
libby emmons
So what's supposed to happen?
Are we just supposed to say like, okay, the social order is completely destroyed.
Let's just blow it up and then see what happens.
tim pool
I think you have an apocalyptic view of what happens when people take responsibility for themselves.
libby emmons
I don't think so.
I don't think I do.
I think people taking responsibility for themselves and completely destroying and dismantling the government structure are two completely different things.
tim pool
Who's going to destroy the government structure?
libby emmons
You're saying take away law enforcement.
If we take away law enforcement, there's no point in having any laws.
tim pool
Well, the people voted for it.
libby emmons
What people?
tim pool
Like, people in these urban metros keep voting for the politicians calling for defunding or abolishing police.
Kamala Harris literally fundraised for the rioters.
libby emmons
Yes, I know.
tim pool
Then they lie about it happening.
And then conservatives are like, we'll let him keep doing it.
libby emmons
So 75 million people did not vote for this for this administration.
tim pool
But those people don't live in cities, mostly.
libby emmons
Well, some of them do.
tim pool
Some of them.
unidentified
Sure.
libby emmons
Right.
But 75 million people did not vote for this administration.
The administration won anyway.
It's it's running roughshod over them anyway.
You know, and you have the corporations and the social media giants taking their voices away anyway and crushing them anyway.
So what is your.
So you're just saying, like, everyone should move to the middle of nowhere and carry a gun around.
tim pool
I mean, you can get out of the cities is a good start.
A lot of conservatives have been repeatedly saying that.
libby emmons
But why should we have to, you know, change our lifestyle fully?
What if we like living in cities?
What if we like, you know, having— It's a leftist view.
unidentified
It's not necessarily— Make the world change for you instead of recognizing you can— No, it's not.
libby emmons
It's, you know, we built these beautiful palaces, these beautiful cities, so that we could live in them.
So that we could go to the theater whenever we wanted.
So we could go to museums.
So that we could meet up in parks and see our friends and do all kinds of things.
And there's nothing wrong with a city lifestyle.
You know, we don't all want to grow gardens and have chickens and things.
We don't all want to do that.
We don't all want to carry guns around either.
And there's nothing wrong with that.
tim pool
And you can have a... And why take away someone else's right to do those things, even in a city?
Which they do.
You can't have chickens in many of these cities.
libby emmons
Listen, I totally disagree with the gun laws in New York City.
What about chicken laws?
tim pool
You can't have chickens.
libby emmons
Too harsh.
And there are people who have chickens in Brooklyn.
And gardens.
And whatever else.
tim pool
Many urban metros ban livestock.
libby emmons
Okay.
tim pool
Why?
libby emmons
Well, so vote against it.
Move to a city and go vote against it if you don't like it.
tim pool
That's what I said before the election.
I was very much in favor of supporting the police.
Once we realized that after all the riots and all the small businesses being harassed and churches being shut down, people voted for this, Now the responsible thing to do is to recognize you've lost
that argument.
And if you want to live in a city where you have no rights, by all means, you're free to do so.
But it's clear that New York is supporting unconstitutional laws.
The police allow Black Lives Matter to march without masks on repeatedly over and over and
over again in many major urban metros. And then when a conservative comes out in...
libby emmons
The police aren't enforcing masks in New York City anyway.
tim pool
No, but they're shutting churches down and making sure small businesses can't serve drinks.
libby emmons
They're not doing that anymore.
They were doing that, and I disagree with all of that throughout, and I spoke and wrote against all of that stuff.
tim pool
And when it happens to you again, like, am I supposed to be like, oh no, the poor conservative's getting arrested again?
libby emmons
No, I mean, you can do whatever you want out here, and people can do what they want in their cities.
tim pool
Now, I'll clarify, there's like urban conservatives who are remaining and watching all this happen, and I'm hearing more and more from most conservatives who agree.
Cities vote to get rid of the police, let them have it.
If you want to stay and live in that, then that's your choice.
libby emmons
Well, I guess we'll see what happens.
tim pool
We got to do Super Chats.
libby emmons
Okay.
tim pool
And see what the users have to think, because we definitely went long.
So if you haven't already, go to TimCast.com, become a member, smash that like button, and now we're going to read Super Chats, because I went way too long.
All right.
Jordan Jones says, your first beer in May is on me, Ian.
Oh, there you go, buddy.
John Lee says, hey Tim, you sound sick today in your videos.
Your voice was cracking and stuff, so I hope you feel better if you are sick.
Also, any update on Chicken City?
It is operating.
We do need to get a chicken whisperer out here and get the camera set up.
And it's not that I'm sick, it's just allergies are brutal, man.
unidentified
Eat a big scoop of coconut oil.
tim pool
Coconut oil?
What is that gonna do?
unidentified
You feel good.
Oil up your throat.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Flimsy Fox says, Hi Tim, I want to say thank you for all you do.
Your informative videos kept me from voting for a particular presidential candidate I would have regretted.
I think we all know which one.
I think many of the leftists also regret that decision as well.
And the neolib democrat voter types have kind of just stopped paying attention.
The Median says, I didn't realize how narcissistic leftists are till one killed my D&D group.
Worst, they claimed I was not tolerant of their beliefs as they blew up when I mentioned facts and asked questions.
Wish me luck in finding a new D&D group.
unidentified
Good luck.
tim pool
Good luck.
We're gonna start doing D&D.
Roll initiative.
unidentified
Nice.
That's a joke!
tim pool
I don't mean it, YouTube.
as watched Mortal Kombat. Cole Young is from the south side of Chicago. His wife's name is Allison
and obviously Asian. Are the writers Timcast fanboys? Yes, they are. Mortal Kombat is this
generation's Citizen Kane. Fight me. That's a joke. I don't mean it, YouTube. Calm down.
Mav says, according to the New Yorker, Senator Harry Reid was blocked from accessing UFO debris
held by Lockheed Martin. A senator blocked by the Pentagon from accessing UFO debris.
When are people going to wake up to this story?
You know, I think a lot of this stuff is maybe they're just trying to make you think there's something out there because it's like a psyop for like foreign war or something, you know, make the enemy think we have access to technologies.
They don't freak them out.
libby emmons
Also, didn't someone say it was birds?
tim pool
Yeah, I think like a lot of these UFOs were actually just birds.
Just blurry birds and IR cameras.
Blurry birds.
libby emmons
I love that Daft Punk song about it.
unidentified
What is it?
libby emmons
When he's like, I don't know, there's something out there.
It's moving in a...
Earthbound direction.
unidentified
Murmuration.
Have you ever seen when all the birds fly in one giant bird?
libby emmons
Yeah, that's cool when that happens.
tim pool
Oh, really?
You don't say, says, did you did you see you showed up in the Project Veritas oligarchy music video?
unidentified
Yes, I did.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
Did you see the music video?
libby emmons
I didn't.
I had to go watch it.
unidentified
I didn't see you.
I saw your name.
tim pool
Yeah.
There's like a little TV pops up and I'm and it's from the show and I'm like, you know, the New York Times is tripping over themselves.
Like, yeah, it's funny.
It was great.
unidentified
Yeah, James got moves.
libby emmons
Nice.
tim pool
It's like an 80s music video, he's got the sledgehammer.
unidentified
So good.
tim pool
Alright, Oddball Gaming says, Hey Tim, this is why the tornado that went over you fired up again in Fredericks, Maryland.
Even Illinois had a tornado spotted traveling east.
Target areas tonight in Arkansas, Missouri, and a couple Dixie Alley states.
Did that happen all over?
A lot of storms?
unidentified
Interesting.
tim pool
Yeah, it moved right over us.
Man, the weather was so nice.
It was headed straight to us and it went whoop!
unidentified
Yeah, there was a ridge.
libby emmons
It was actually kind of cool with all the leaves blowing over.
unidentified
Oh, I love this weather.
tim pool
Zach Nix says, defunding the police will lead to the expulsion of local law enforcement, creating a power vacuum for some sort of federal police to come in to save the day.
This is the goal of defund the police.
I hear this a lot and it doesn't make any sense.
libby emmons
That's what happened in Camden though.
Then the Stadies came in.
tim pool
The state police came in.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
But they're saying federal federalization of the police.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
Like in New York, the state police came in when the local cops wouldn't enforce.
unidentified
Right.
libby emmons
In Staten Island, they have jurisdiction.
Yeah.
tim pool
Did you know that Staten Island once seceded or I'm sorry, voted to secede from New York?
libby emmons
Oh, they should have done it.
tim pool
Well, I guess the state said no.
I was I don't know.
I saw it on Reddit.
I don't know if it's true or not.
If it's on Reddit, it must be true, I guess.
libby emmons
I want to look that up now.
tim pool
Aiden says, hey Tim, high schooler from the last GOP collar county in Chicago here.
I have been interning with local campaigns.
My psych teacher started preaching critical race theory and told us to read D'Angelo and Kendi.
How am I meant to fight this?
You know what I would do?
I would go back and I would ask why I was told to read a book from a self-avowed racist.
libby emmons
That's a good question.
tim pool
Robin D'Angelo's self-avowed racist.
unidentified
And then they'll ask for proof and then show them the proof.
libby emmons
There's a lot of proof in the book.
tim pool
Because they probably didn't read it.
But she says she's racist.
libby emmons
Yeah.
She says she can't be cured of racism.
It's just a way to keep people oppressed in their own mindset and incapable of taking personal responsibility.
You know what I would do is I would read the books and then I would read books that are contrary to it and I would write a thesis about why the books were wrong.
That's what I would do.
tim pool
I would read Alinsky's Rules for Radicals and then apply the principles in this setting.
So make this teacher live up to their own rules.
I assume your teacher is white, in which case you should say, after reading the book, I realized you're oppressing us and I want to know how you're going to make it up to the class because D'Angelo says she's a racist.
This teacher, I'm assuming, is white.
Maybe they're not.
I don't know.
Maybe I shouldn't assume that.
libby emmons
It sort of doesn't matter what color they are.
It's still oppressive to make people read about how they're racist.
tim pool
I just assume they're white because most of these people are.
Like, the critical race theorists tend to be, like, progressive white suburbanites.
unidentified
Yeah, with virtue signaling.
tim pool
Yeah, Alincia's rules for radicals.
All right, Rob Lowe, Rob's Lowe's says, side note, I watched your recent Cast Castle and I sent you an email.
I thought it would be a great episode if you are interested in making a range on the property if legally allowed.
I do not know how to- I do know how to operate heavy equipment.
Not here in Maryland, but we do have a property in West Virginia we're gonna be filming at at some point.
So, West Virginia is freedom.
Eli M says, Tim, today Crowder mentioned your West Virginia skate park.
Will you invite him on your show?
Crowder?
Crowder is always invited to come on the show.
It's just that he runs his own show, so like, when would he come?
You know, we've talked.
It's just, like, I've been on his show.
We do everything in person here.
I don't make exceptions, you know.
Like, we've had a lot of really awesome guests be like, can we do Skype?
And I'm like...
Nah, nah.
The reality is, we just, we don't have any monitors set up for anybody.
So, like, when you guys watching are seeing the news article, no one else can see any of that.
And I'm just, I don't like the dynamic of compromising and then doing a digital, like, over-the-phone kind of show.
I don't want to do that.
unidentified
Yeah, he should come out with his wife.
Come out for the weekend or something.
libby emmons
I totally respect the in-studio aspect.
tim pool
I like that.
libby emmons
I hate doing Skype stuff.
I always look the wrong place, also.
unidentified
They'll eventually build monitors with cameras in them.
They may already have them, but we'll be able to make eye contact with each other.
That'll be weird and fake.
That's going to change society big time.
tim pool
Jay Liebgott says, I would love to see a conversation between you and Lex Friedman.
The juxtaposition of your energies would make for an interesting content.
I almost went on his show.
We briefly talked.
He was in the area, but we weren't able to make it work.
That'd be cool though.
He's a smart fella.
All right, here we go.
Dragon Lady says, yep, giving 50 bucks just to high-five Libby for being a fellow Star Trek fan.
Tim too, but I already knew he was.
There you go.
libby emmons
Hey!
tim pool
Making me money for being a fan.
libby emmons
Hey, how about that?
tim pool
Balthazar says, how cost-effective could a lightning capture device be for the power grid?
Right now, the problem is we don't know the... I'm not an electrician, but it's like, we don't know the voltage or the amperage or whatever of a lightning strike, so you can't accurately predict how to contain it.
I read about this once.
I was like, why don't we just harness electricity and store it somewhere?
unidentified
When you guys were talking about solar and wind, I kept thinking about lightning and geothermal, like volcanic... Unless you're Dr. Brown, right?
Emmett Brown?
libby emmons
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah, he's into it.
tim pool
Lightning is too random.
unidentified
We'd have to capture it while it's in orbit, maybe, before it gets hot.
Yeah, if we could just collect the static charge.
tim pool
The other issue is that charges aren't burst charges.
Like, what do we have that can take a lightning bolt and just store that energy?
I don't know yet.
unidentified
I don't know if graphene can handle the heat.
There must be metamaterials that can handle the heat that could absorb, like a superconductor that could get hit once and then be fully charged.
libby emmons
That would be really interesting.
unidentified
Man, it's just so much electricity waiting to be tapped.
It's a wild amount.
libby emmons
It's a wild amount.
tim pool
Shaker Silver says, Even if the GOP wins 2020, who's in control?
Traditionalists and populists that actually oppose to the leftists
and neolibs or the soft liberals and neocons that just roll over?
What even is a conservative?
I mean, conservatives today are democrats 15 years ago.
Basically.
libby emmons
That's how I ended up over here.
It was a free speech thing.
unidentified
Really?
libby emmons
Mm-hmm.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
Yeah, I look at, you know, a conservative today.
A conservative from 2000.
If that person came here today, they'd be banned from every platform instantly.
libby emmons
Instantly.
tim pool
And they'd be headline media matters.
libby emmons
But so would a Democrat.
tim pool
From 2000?
libby emmons
I think so.
unidentified
From 2000?
tim pool
I don't know if they'd be insta-banned.
libby emmons
Maybe not insta-banned.
They'd be called alt-right and insulted.
They'd certainly be on the wrong side of things.
Right.
tim pool
Oh, definitely.
libby emmons
I mean, anyone from the 90s is just screwed.
tim pool
Yeah, definitely.
Brandon McGregor says, don't know if it would happen even after COVID, but Linus from Linus Tech Tips occasionally touches on politics.
I think you could have a nuanced conversation on certain current social and economic issues.
Perhaps, but a lot of people who run shows, you know, like that, they don't want to get into the weeds and get accused of things, you know.
So, I've tried talking to a lot of people who are like, you know, pro skaters, musicians, like, you're really influential, wouldn't you want to come on and we'll just talk about this?
Like, you don't gotta come on and put on a MAGA hat or anything, just like, how's it going?
What's going on with skateboarding?
How you feeling?
What do you feel about cancel culture?
And then express your opinions, and they're like, oh, dude, I don't know, man, like, you know, I'll get fired and all, my contracts and all, man.
I can understand some of it.
Like, if you're hired by, you know, an energy drink company, they don't want you posting videos about politics.
They want you posting videos where you're like, gnarly!
I'm gonna do a backflip!
You know, and it's fun and energizes the kids.
And also, as we move forward, don't forget to smash that like button.
It really helps us out.
Person says, America is not getting more racist.
The Democrats are.
Period.
Note, YouTube blocked this comment until I split Democrats.
Really?
That's weird.
libby emmons
That is weird.
unidentified
Yeah, they're using the media to project that image, too.
I don't even think they're more racist than they used to be.
It's just loud and in your face.
libby emmons
I think they're more racist than they used to be.
unidentified
Really?
libby emmons
Yeah, by a lot.
tim pool
Bridget F. says, Ian is God.
ETH to the moon.
Add a zipline, Tim.
We want to add a zipline.
unidentified
And we are all fingers of God.
tim pool
Should we build a zipline?
unidentified
Yeah.
Over a pool.
tim pool
Paxton Harrell says, you're wrong on PV being for the rich.
I've actually started a company in Utah and we've been running for over a year now selling solar significantly cheaper because we don't rely on the tax credits.
Interesting.
libby emmons
That is interesting.
I wonder how that works with the tax credits.
How can it be cheaper without the tax credits?
tim pool
I have no idea.
Maybe there's like requirements for what you have to, like regulations to reach the tax credit so you can actually make a cheaper product.
libby emmons
Yeah, that's really interesting.
I guess, yeah.
I wonder what is required to get the tax credit.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
And if they're doing something different, what is that?
I'm very, I'm very curious.
unidentified
More information, please.
libby emmons
Yeah, I definitely want more information.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Dylan Keller says, hello.
Do you remember the episode of Superman, the animated series when Superman defeats Darkseid and the people now free rush to Darkseid crying, let me help you master.
Neolibs reminded me of it.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
I'm not familiar.
Interesting.
Veronica Lavigna says, Montreal was 8 p.m.
curfew, but across a short bridge in a suburb, it's 9.30 p.m.
But now it's all 9.30 p.m.
No seating in restaurants yet.
unidentified
Weird.
libby emmons
Oh, yeah.
Maybe it was 9.30 this week.
tim pool
John Hutto says, Babylon 5 is better than DS9.
Some of the best writing in all sci-fi, in my honest opinion.
Interesting.
libby emmons
People keep saying that.
I have tried to watch Bab 5 like a half dozen times.
tim pool
Not into it?
libby emmons
I just haven't.
It seems like it's almost too soap opera-y.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
What about Battlestar, the new one?
libby emmons
I love Battlestar.
unidentified
So good.
A new, new one?
Is there a new...?
tim pool
No, no, no, just like, you know, from more than 15 years ago.
libby emmons
That was great.
tim pool
Oh man, Battlestar, dude.
Incredible.
And the crazy, creepy ending.
unidentified
Dude, that show was crazy.
tim pool
It's like, we found a compatible species!
Joshua Carpenter says, when we say come and take it, understand it's oath-breaking thugs in blue who will be coming to take it for money.
I was just doing my job, did not work at Nuremberg.
Someone has to take it.
Oh, this is funny.
Michael Adkin says, bring Brandon Tatum to your show.
unidentified
That's a good idea.
tim pool
All right.
We'll go back in time and we'll do that because we did.
He was cool.
Raleigh A. Murray says the defense, I was just doing what I was ordered to do, did not work well in the Nuremberg trial.
unidentified
I thought it did work well in the Nuremberg trial.
Didn't they let off a bunch of Nazis because they weren't the ones that made the call and they just kind of cut the head off?
tim pool
No, they arrested a bunch of them for following orders.
unidentified
But then they released almost everybody except for like a few.
tim pool
A lot of the soldiers who are just, right.
But a lot of people are just following orders.
They got like, we have like a story just recently about a Nazi guy.
He was like 90 or something.
They deported him back to Germany.
Yeah.
libby emmons
That's interesting when you look at, like, BLM, right?
Because you've had, like, Patrice Cullors talk about how BLM is a leaderless movement, which kind of makes you think it's just a hydro.
When you cut off one head, another one just springs forth in its place.
tim pool
It's a chaotic destructive force that I think arises when there's a power vacuum.
libby emmons
Yeah.
tim pool
And I think what we've seen in America is that everybody basically became kind of just complacent.
It's easier just to lay back and say, do whatever you want, just leave me alone.
unidentified
Yeah.
libby emmons
Well, that's sort of what everybody wants.
Everyone just wants to be left alone to live their life freely.
tim pool
Yeah, you know, but we lost personal responsibility.
People didn't want to stand up.
libby emmons
I mean, I think that was a problem at the very, at the beginning of this pandemic.
That's just become exacerbated.
That's a big problem.
tim pool
The truth is even during the revolution, the revolution era, a lot of people, like a large chunk said, I don't want to be involved at all.
Leave me alone.
libby emmons
I think that's most people all the time.
And I also think that that is some personal responsibility, like saying that you want to live a reasonable and quiet life.
That should be perfectly acceptable.
unidentified
You've got to earn that, though.
That comes at the cost of life and death.
People kill and protect our borders so that we can live in calm silence.
Do you think that you're owed that?
libby emmons
No, I don't think that you're owed it.
I'm saying people want it, and there's nothing wrong with wanting it.
tim pool
Life is a treadmill.
If you stand still, you move backwards.
If you walk, you stay in the same place.
You have to run to start moving forward.
So there are a lot of people who have been made complacent by the people guarding our borders and by the massive technological superiority and air superiority, for the most part, that gives the US its dominance.
And now because of that, I think a lot of people, you know, power vacuums emerged in politics where people are just saying, I abstain.
I don't want to be involved.
And you end up with people rioting.
And then even to this day, people are still saying, I abstain.
It's like they burned down a bunch of buildings and you're still abstaining from the vote?
Okay, man.
Well, I'm going to leave the city because I don't want to be involved in that anymore.
We tried the argument.
We tried arguing with people.
We tried showing them.
We tried being, you know, reasonable and rational and saying, look at this video, man.
This is crazy, right?
And they still said, I don't care.
And I'm like, bro, the fire is making its way to our house.
And I said, I'm not going to do this, okay?
libby emmons
There was an interesting thing in the summer with, there was a protest in Seattle,
and this was actually I found to be the most chilling of all the protests.
So there was this protest, and it was in the evening, it was at night, it was dark,
and it was a bunch of kids, teenagers, 18 maybe, walking through a residential street,
and they had a call and response, and it was, I'm fighting for you, I'm fighting for you,
I'm fighting for you, Michaela, we see you, and they saw a girl in the window.
Come out and march with us.
March with us.
We see you.
And I found that to be actually the most chilling.
A bunch of children walking down the street saying that they're fighting for me and demanding that people come out of their house.
Come play with us.
unidentified
Forever and ever.
libby emmons
Yes, it was very much like that.
It was the evil twins.
That was, I thought, terrifying.
tim pool
But people still, after all of this, said, please just... Like, when they voted for Biden and Kamala after all the riots, they were on their knees begging, please burn more buildings down.
libby emmons
It was sort of a hostage situation.
That was the deal, was that we could have our lives back if we voted for Biden.
tim pool
I think that Darkseid comment was better.
Like, you know, Darkseid's the villain, and when he's defeated, they all run saying, oh no, please, please don't hurt Master.
So these people are suffering from Stockholm syndrome.
libby emmons
They've been brutalized and battered.
Yeah, I think that's definitely true with the Democratic Party.
I think that's definitely true.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Shooting on a shot of the pressure, Betacafcare says, when you say you have a good library on TimCast, you need to say it in the Trump voice.
unidentified
The radical left doesn't want you watching the TimCast.com library.
It's the best in the country.
libby emmons
That's pretty good.
tim pool
Caliber neutral says the chief of police needs to be an elected official, just like sheriffs in the county.
Yeah, maybe.
libby emmons
That's interesting.
tim pool
But then you still, but then the Democrats are going to vote for Democrats.
You're going to, you're going to get some far left Democrat.
Oh man.
I love it when the superheros just jump and then I'm like, where am I?
All right, let's see how many people are mad at me over my stance on police
Lots of people.
All right.
Andrew Matina says she kicked your butt, Tim.
Yeah, well, there you go.
Alright, let's see.
Gareth Green says, Tim, law enforcement is a valid function of government and necessary for freedom.
You are being defeatist.
No, I'm saying right now is people gotta have responsibility.
You can't just sit there and be like, cops should just be responsible for my safety, not me, and they should pass laws taking away my ability to defend myself if I so choose.
People don't want to have guns?
They don't have to have guns.
If I want to have guns, I should be allowed.
Constitution says, keep and bear.
libby emmons
What do you think happens if there's a case brought against some of these more restrictive gun control laws?
tim pool
There is.
libby emmons
Have there been?
tim pool
Right now, the Supreme Court has granted cert to a suit.
In New York, you need a reason to get a gun.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
They're challenging that.
libby emmons
Oh, that's cool.
tim pool
Or it could be bad.
In October, I think October 4th... It could always be bad.
libby emmons
That's always the option.
tim pool
So people are like, it's six to three.
It's conservative.
They're gonna win.
It's like, oh, come on.
Like, it's not, no.
It's five to four at best.
But the argument is, keep and bear arms means keep them, like, in your home.
libby emmons
And bear them, if you like.
tim pool
And bear them, meaning, like, you're holding them.
libby emmons
You get to.
tim pool
But we'll see.
They could say no.
They could say, if keeping and bearing arms was for Right.
a well regulated militia. That doesn't mean you walk around
with guns. It means you have the guns ready to go in your home
and you can keep and use.
However, the bear, in my opinion, there's no argument
that makes sense where it's like you can bear arms in your house
and nowhere else. Then they wouldn't even add it to the
Constitution at all. Yeah, it's so interesting. They walked
around with their guns on If you're supposed to be in a militia, and it's supposed to be well-functioning, and you can't carry your weapons around, and then you're out, like, in the field, and then all of a sudden, like, war breaks out, and they're like, quick, come!
You're like, hold on!
I have to go to my storage to get my gun!
libby emmons
And then I have to go to my other storage to get my ammo.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
libby emmons
Then I have to put it together separately, because that is the law.
tim pool
That's right.
Sonny James says, I think Americans are so rabid about their guns because the government has broken every cultural contract they've had with citizens.
They're seizing assets willy-nilly, selectively punish policing.
No transparency in federal shootings of black men.
Boosted said, There was a documentary on prisons and crime where several inmates openly admitted they are much more afraid of a private person with a gun than the police.
An armed society is a polite society.
There was something I read about.
I don't know the full details, but this was back when I briefly took a criminal justice course when I was like 18 for like two months.
There was some jurisdiction in I think like Wisconsin, maybe I'm not sure, that passed hardcore gun control and then crime went up like 85% and they immediately panicked and then like rescinded the law and then crime went right back down.
Yeah, so like the issue is in Chicago, they know you're not armed.
In West Virginia, if you even get anywhere near the wrong house, they'll come out with a gun being like two more steps in the wrong direction and you're not going to be alive anymore.
libby emmons
And in St.
Louis, if you come out with a gun, you're going to get arrested.
tim pool
That's right.
Even when they were like on their own property and everything.
unidentified
P.C.
tim pool
Pierce says, Tim, you went 30 plus years being left in pro-gun control.
In one year, people who didn't think like you should have their cities burned give people time.
I guess pro-gun control is probably fair, but I was not anywhere near where the Democrats were.
I was actually fairly pro-gun, but my arguments were like, well, there's probably some reforms we could do, and some of these things might make sense.
And then someone commented on a YouTube video saying, I completely agree.
I also think that we should have some restrictions on your ability to speak because I find your videos offensive.
And I was like, okay, I get it.
libby emmons
And so now it's like... That's exactly where I landed on gun control.
That's like how I got here.
tim pool
Well, if you want to change the constitution, change the constitution.
If you don't, then New York shouldn't be enforcing illegal gun laws.
libby emmons
I agree with that.
Well, they shouldn't have these kind of gun control laws, I think.
It should be easier to buy a gun.
tim pool
Let's see.
Godzilla2k26 says, Tim is completely right tonight.
Thank you.
I had to read that one because the person said that you kicked my butt, so I'm just going to read one that makes me sound a little good.
libby emmons
Go for it.
tim pool
We'll be fair.
We'll balance.
And a lot of people saying an armed society is a polite society.
Spidge Bandersnatch says, Tim, you're removing options for nonviolent solutions.
Not every vandal or thief should be shot.
We need pros to protect rights.
Make it an honorable profession again.
I don't want people to get shot.
However, I do believe that, for the most part, an armed society is a polite society.
That if someone knows there's consequences to approaching you and threatening your life, they might not do it.
I make the same argument for why keeping and bearing arms, like an amendment, keeps us safe from government tyranny.
Not because, as the left likes to argue, conservatives are going to go march in the streets and challenge tyrannical government.
although some probably want to it's because the police and The feds know that if they kick your door in
You have a legal right to defend yourself in your home and just like Breonna Taylor's boyfriend who shot that cop in
the leg the charges Were dropped
so the government knows We can't just kick doors in
You better get a warrant and do it right, because the dude in there might be armed.
Look what happens in these other countries.
I mean, there's one video right now from the UK, I think.
Maybe it's from Ireland.
They go into a guy's house, and they tell him that they're going to be arresting him on, like, a medical charge, and he can't do anything about it.
So they're like, oh yeah, we're withholding you because we're afraid you're going to hurt yourself.
They could theoretically do the same thing here.
There's a scary story though.
There was a guy, an older guy, they were serving a red flag.
libby emmons
That's like those, yeah, those red flag laws.
tim pool
Well, so the cops went to his house.
The guy answered the door with his gun.
They said, we're here to take your guns under red flag laws.
And he says, you know, from my cold dead hands.
So they fought him.
He got shot and killed.
libby emmons
He got shot and killed.
unidentified
Yep.
libby emmons
I thought it was sort of crazy in Columbus.
I think it was Columbus, Ohio.
Just maybe it was last week.
There was they passed a law saying that police could not use less lethal force at protests at nonviolent protests.
And I thought, but can't they still use their guns?
Like, what are you doing?
unidentified
So they can no longer use less lethal force?
libby emmons
That's correct.
That's correct.
So what are they supposed to do if the protest turns into a riot?
Then what?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
It's crazy.
libby emmons
And they're not even supposed to have it on them?
Like, what is the deal?
tim pool
Well, you could buy a rubber buckshot, you know, so it's good for scaring away animals, I guess, if you've got, you know, I don't know.
Depends on what, everyone's got different opinions on when you should or shouldn't use them.
I've been told by people never to use them, because if you point a gun at somebody who's a threat to you, you don't want to give them a chance to be that threat to you.
libby emmons
Right.
tim pool
But I really don't want to kill somebody, you know, like even in like it's scary, you know, someone breaks into your house and they're armed for lethal force and they're gonna end your life and you need to protect yourself.
It's still probably naive to be like, but I really don't want that person to die.
You know what I mean?
libby emmons
But it's not naive to say that you don't want that person to die.
I mean, you're saying that killing someone would have a negative effect on you as a person.
tim pool
On them.
libby emmons
And it would have a negative effect on you, right?
Like, so you kill somebody and that's not going to leave you, that you killed somebody.
That's going to stay with you.
Do you want that on your conscience no matter what that person did?
I mean, do you want to have to like...
tim pool
I don't see it that way, for me at least.
If I was forced into a situation where I know I have to defend myself or someone else, I accept that.
libby emmons
Sure, you can accept it, but I think no matter what we do, when we do something that, like, for example, when you commit, like, there's a couple of different kinds of commandments, right, in the Ten Commandments.
So there's the kind where you sin against God, there's the kind where you sin against others, and there's the kind where you sin against yourself, right?
So why do you not covet your neighbor's wife?
You don't covet your neighbor's wife because, not because of the harm it does anyone else, the harm it does you.
So, when you commit a sin or when you do something that, you know, there's ways that you can harm yourself in doing that.
So, I can understand why even in a situation where you would be defending yourself, you would maybe say that you don't necessarily want to have to kill someone.
Even if you can justify it later, even if you can perfectly well understand that you are within your rights and that it was the only thing you could do, you're still carrying that with you, right?
tim pool
I understand that point.
For me, it's mostly about the other person.
It's about this idea where, you know, when I was younger, I just thought about the concept of the death penalty.
Imagining someone in a position where their life is snuffed out and the experience they go through and what it means to end a unique individual, no matter how bad that person might be, is... It's like...
I don't know how to describe it, but it's an exertion of power beyond what I think we should be doing.
libby emmons
I totally agree.
I'm 100% opposed to capital punishment.
No matter what the wretched, miserable crime.
tim pool
I know, it's tough, isn't it?
libby emmons
Yep.
tim pool
So even if someone's breaking in and they want to hurt me, I'm like, they might be bad people, but I'm not bad people.
libby emmons
That's what I'm saying.
tim pool
That's tough.
But it is naive, because a lot of people I talk to, defense experts say, Well, then you'll die.
libby emmons
Right.
I mean, it's interesting to like the Quaker position.
The Quaker position is nonviolence, no matter what, like never taking up arms against someone else, even to defend yourself.
But then you could also say, like, you know, in that case, if no one life is better than any others, then why is the life of the person who's trying to kill me better than mine?
That's interesting, too.
It's a, you know, All right. Definitely worth philosophical examination.
tim pool
Gold 818 says, sorry, Tim, but I think she got you on this argument. Sure, an individual may be able
to protect themselves against another individual, but good luck when a gang comes in and invades
your property. Watch the walking dead. All right. Well, my, my.
My opinion is that an armed society is a polite society, and I think you need neighborhood watch.
You know, I was reading about the formation of police departments. It was interesting,
because the left likes to claim that they were formed from slave patrols. That's actually not
true. It's actually not true. Yeah, it's funny. There's some, some police departments did,
but mostly not.
It was just the concept of local policing that was being implemented in certain countries, and then it was eventually brought over here for a variety of reasons.
And the interesting thing is that before police, we had local militias.
Just had community watch.
People were responsible for themselves.
And then they brought in policing.
I think we face a very serious problem as a civilization, especially one with classically liberal roots, due to population density.
The more... I talked to you... I mentioned this before, and Ian, you've got to kick out of this because you're into physics.
The more people are... The further you are away, your bubble of rights is massive.
You live in the middle of nowhere, you can go outside, you can, you know... If you literally live in the middle of nowhere, you can be pretty irresponsible with, you know, dangerous stuff.
Because there's no one around, right?
libby emmons
You can have a gender-reveal party in the middle of nowhere.
tim pool
Right.
Well, I mean, just as long as you're not near the forest, because you can burn it down.
But then as you get from absolute rural, where you have like 200 acres of your own property, there's no one anywhere, and you're in between the saddle of two mountains, and you can fire into the backstop.
You can do whatever you want, for the most part.
You're not going to hurt anybody.
You've still got to be careful about causing damage to the environment, for sure.
Then you get closer to the suburbs and your sphere of rights starts going down because now you have people not too far away.
Now you can't use guns because even if you have backstop, it's probably going to be noisy.
You've got to be careful about what time you're doing certain things.
Then you move into the cities and your rights become this microscopic bubble because now everyone's competing with each other over your rights.
Now, to clarify, everybody's rights are immutable, inalienable.
But the problem is civil disputes erupt.
So what happens is I don't want you to have a gun because we are, you know, we're all sitting right next to each other and someone could be irresponsible and the bullet could end up hurting a bunch of people.
And my argument is the Constitution doesn't say population density affects your right to keep and bear arms.
But people in cities don't care and they vote for things because they're in conflict with each other.
So I view it kind of like the states of matter.
When, when you condense everyone into a cubical brick and they're all stacked on top of each other, it becomes like a solid matter.
Where you can't, you're not really free to move all that much.
You move out into the suburbs, it's more liquid, and you can move around, you still have some ability to do things that are kind of out of the ordinary.
And then you have the gaseous state, which is in the middle of nowhere, where you can basically do whatever you want, and you're free to bounce around and go crazy.
unidentified
Yeah.
And then we'll have plasma state.
tim pool
Where people are in outer space drifting.
unidentified
Teleportation.
tim pool
Plasma state.
libby emmons
That thing where you're looking in the person's eyes.
unidentified
Oxytocin.
Yeah.
Right.
tim pool
All right.
Christian Schultz says legalize mutual unarmed combat.
All right, all right.
We'll just read one more right here.
It just says, Dash, loving this bombshell pro-America political discourse.
The disagreement on this footage are consistently incredibly based.
Libby, are you radical left?
libby emmons
Oh, man.
tim pool
No, definitely not.
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libby emmons
Uh, yeah.
Shout out the Postmillennial.
We're at thepostmillennial.com.
unidentified
Right.
And I'm iancrossin at iancrossin.net and at iancrossin across social media.
Thanks.
lydia smith
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tim pool
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