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Dec. 31, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - California Announces INDEFINITE Lockdown And People SNAP, w/ Peak Prosperity
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super covid we It's here, everybody.
The mutant strain.
They're literally calling it Super COVID.
It's in California.
It's in Colorado.
And due to the overwhelming surge sweeping through the hospitals in California, they're announcing the lockdown is now indefinite.
It's not just a lockdown.
It's a stay-at-home order.
People have already started losing it.
A group of about 50 maskless people stormed into a store.
Furious.
And so it seems like COVID's not going anywhere.
You know, I know Trump said one day it'll go away.
A lot of Republicans were speculating, oh, as soon as, you know, Joe Biden wins, then they're going to claim it's gone.
Why would they?
I mean, first of all, there's actually a virus called COVID and, you know, people get sick and they die from it.
But more importantly, the emergencies empower those, you know, it gives power to the authorities.
Declaring an emergency is the easiest way to oppress, suppress, and stay in power.
So even if it was this, like, even if, you know, many people were saying that it was going to go away, even if that were true, that's kind of ridiculous because people don't want to give up power.
I think the reality is, though, there's a, you know, there's a very serious virus.
We've got to take it seriously.
But whether or not it makes sense to shut everything down, have the economy be totally destroyed, and cause this mass suffering, I don't believe that actually makes sense.
We're trying to slow the spread.
We did it as best as we could, but now more and more people are getting sick, and it's because we've always known.
They told us, the World Health Organization, various organizations said, we can't stop people from getting sick.
We can only slow the spread.
Yet now here we are, California saying indefinite lockdown.
This was, we were told by the World Health Organization this could be avoided.
Apparently it can't be.
Or apparently people just, you know, it's convenient for people like Newsome to say, you know, you guys stay home so I don't have to deal with it and then I'll go out and party.
And that's the problem.
If there really was a very serious issue, assuming there, you know, look, there's a pandemic.
It's a very serious issue.
The problem we have is our leaders, like, I say our leaders, but you know, certain individuals in office like Cuomo and like Whitmer, like Newsom, they violate COVID lockdown.
So why should anyone take them seriously?
Why is it that these elites, these political elites, are not scared at all, break their own rules, even Dr. Birx herself from the COVID task force breaking the rules.
So we're going to talk a lot about this, and we've got probably one of the best people to talk to about it.
Peak Prosperity.
You want to introduce yourself more formally, I suppose?
unidentified
Sure.
chris martenson
I'm Chris Martinson, Dr. Chris Martinson.
I got a Ph.D.
in pathology, and I've been covering COVID nonstop since I first figured it out.
January 23rd was my first video launch of that, and I've been just diving into the science behind it a lot.
tim pool
And Peak Prosperity is your YouTube channel?
chris martenson
It is, and it's also my website.
And there we normally talk about where we're going in the economy.
For years, for a decade, I've been talking about the Federal Reserve.
I've been talking about monetary printing.
I've been talking about oil resources, all kinds of stuff, right?
But then COVID comes along.
I'm like, oh, you know, it's gonna be a bit of a game changer.
So I dusted off the old science credentials and dove in.
And what a journey it's been.
I'm not at all where I started in this story.
tim pool
It's interesting too, just before the show, a couple times you were mentioning that we are running out of resources.
So there's serious consideration for what happens to us if we do.
Does that imply that there's at least some kind of benefit to a lockdown?
chris martenson
You could look at it that way, and I see this pattern happening, right?
So climate change comes along, and the story behind climate change is, hey, there's this existential threat, and it's so bad that what we really need to do is stop consuming, you know, we have to stop burning carbon.
You hear these crazy plans like, oh, we'll decarbonize 50% by 2030, right? If
you did that, the next question you should ask those people who say that is, which
half of the people are going to die and which 70% of the jobs are going to go away?
tim pool
That's the question I had for Greta Thunberg. Not literally.
I mean, she's just a kid.
She doesn't understand.
When she said, we want to stop the oil next year.
She's like, we don't want to wait until 2050, 2030.
We mean next year, 2021 or whatever.
I'm like, well, I think the actual calculations from like the World Health Organization is millions would die instantly.
So we're going to talk about all this.
Chris, great to have you.
Luke's also hanging out.
luke rudkowski
Welcome back beautiful and amazing human beings.
My name is Luke Rudowsky of the YouTube channel We Are Change.
I am super excited about the conversation today.
I think it's going to be a very important one.
And Tim, it's not just California going under a full lockdown.
It's also the United Kingdom that is now expanding its lockdown.
And according to some government sources, there are warning that there is a high chance of a full national lockdown in the new year.
That's also breaking news happening right now that I just saw in the United Kingdom.
tim pool
Bro, this reminds me of Kingsman.
I mentioned this before, but you ever see that movie Kingsman?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
The bad guy, Samuel Jackson, is like, climate change is destroying the planet, so we need all the people to go and, like, fight each other to the death so that the planet survives.
Like, when you say that we're running out of resources, then you have these massive lockdowns.
I'm like, dude, they're already warning us that in the UK there's gonna be food shortages.
It's gonna get crazy.
All right, well, we'll save it.
We'll talk about stuff.
Ian, he's chilling.
He's got a special spinning object.
ian crossland
Me and my gorilla and this primal youth that Tim got me for Christmas.
tim pool
Dr. Jones.
ian crossland
Dr. Jones primal youth.
Give it a spin.
tim pool
So we actually are getting some shirts made that says, I am a gorilla, because people keep posting gorilla emojis like nonstop in the chat and they keep saying, I am a gorilla.
And so I guess, uh, the gorilla is the show mascot for some reason, at least for now, I guess.
ian crossland
It sounds like you said gorilla-ism.
tim pool
Gorilla-ism.
ian crossland
Gorilla-ism.
Show mascot.
tim pool
Yeah.
Uh, Lydia is also producing.
She's pushing all the buttons.
unidentified
I am.
I'm pushing buttons over here in the corner.
tim pool
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Luke, you mentioned the UK, but let's pull up this story from Fox KTVU real quick.
Coronavirus surge swamping hospitals prompts indefinite California lockdown.
All right, they're going to have to get specific on that.
What do you mean indefinite?
You mean people are stuck in their homes forever?
They say, California's most densely populated area continues to set new death and hospitalization records and will remain under strict stay-home orders for the foreseeable future as another hospital-filling coronavirus surge looms in mere weeks, public health officials said.
LA County, which has recorded 40% of all COVID-19 deaths in the state, reported another 227 new deaths on Tuesday.
Although the new daily record included reporting from holiday backlogs, the country's public health department also confirmed its highest number of hospitalizations reported in a day at more than 7,000 people, a nearly 1,000% increase from two months ago.
California's top health official, Dr. Mark Galley, announced Tuesday an extension of the December 6th lockdown restrictions for the county and 22 others in Southern California and the agricultural San Joaquin Valley.
The regions have about 60 percent of the state's population of 40 million and also have seen COVID-19 surges since Thanksgiving, since the Thanksgiving holiday.
So they're saying indefinite lockdown.
Alright, the first thing is the constitutional question.
How do you do that?
That clearly violates our rights as American citizens.
If people choose to go and assemble somewhere, they have a right to do so.
The Constitution doesn't say unless there's an emergency.
By what authority do they have to override that?
But then here's the other side of that coin.
I mean, they're giving us some crazy numbers.
We got super COVID now.
Gavin Newsom is saying we got the mutated COVID strain.
Shouldn't we be scared of these things?
luke rudkowski
Well, we've been hearing about mutant strains for a while now.
First, we heard it in the United Kingdom.
Then we heard about it in South Africa.
Then we heard about it in Nigeria.
But also, in April of this year, we heard about 30 other different strains of the coronavirus that happened.
I think they're, in Los Angeles personally, facetiously speaking, I think they're just trying to make sure people don't escape before they all get taxed to death.
And I think that's one of the possible reasons.
They're trying to pass that law where people get taxed even if they leave the state for a certain amount of years.
Because again, they've spent all their money and they're in a huge deficit.
But I think it's pretty clear now.
I don't know if you would agree with me, Chris, that these lockdowns are kind of counterintuitive.
chris martenson
Well, they're clubbish and ham-fisted, right?
So, here's what we've known for a long time.
Listen, I'm not averse to the idea you say we don't want to swamp our hospital systems.
That's not good, right?
Motorcycle victims don't get the treatment they need.
Cancer patients can't go in for treatment.
I get that.
tim pool
And real quick, you're a doctor.
You have a PhD.
chris martenson
Yes, in medical.
I went to Duke University and got a degree in pathology.
tim pool
Okay, all right.
Well, tell us what's going on.
You're the expert.
chris martenson
If you're going to do a lockdown, first up, here's what we know.
If I was going to draw a chart for you, I would say, you'd say, okay, who gets hit by this?
Who dies?
You have an exponentially increasing risk of death by age.
So if you were going to do a lockdown, you'd say, we're going to lock down the old people, right?
Not the young people.
The chance of dying from this, if you're under the age of 30 is minuscule, really, really tiny.
So I think something, a lockdown is everybody.
Why is it everybody?
You would think that somewhere along the way, you can say, well, let's be clever about this.
Let's take the people with comorbidities.
Let's take the people who are immunocompromised.
Let's take the elderly.
And let's keep them safe.
Right.
That would be part one.
If you just on the subject of lockdowns, which isn't even getting me on the idea that we still to this day, the NIH has zero outpatient treatments identified.
They just say, go home.
And if you feel worse, come back.
And if it's bad enough, we'll put you in the hospital.
That is literally, as of this morning, what was on the NIH website.
tim pool
There's actually a good friend of mine got sick recently.
I was talking to him on the phone and they told me that they went to the doctor.
The doctor told me they had COVID and just go home and deal with it.
chris martenson
Yep.
tim pool
And they were like, uh, I don't think I have COVID.
Like, you know, they thought they had strep throat, something, you know, they've had before and they needed antibiotics for, but the doctor said, no, no, we're going to treat it as COVID.
Just go home.
And if you get worse than, you know, call back.
And that was it.
chris martenson
That's it.
That's standard of care right now.
And it's criminal as far as I'm concerned, because there are things that people can do.
So for quick example, we've known since March, vitamin D, it's really more of a hormone, but vitamin D, the stuff you get if you go out into the sun, right, which is hard to do in a lockdown when you're all stuck inside, right?
But that stuff alone, we've had a Spanish study which showed that of people who are in critical condition, they measured their blood levels and they said, how much vitamin D do they have?
So they discovered that people with lower than 17 nanograms per mil of vitamin D in their blood were 80% of their critical COVID patients.
Nobody with vitamin D above 21 nanograms per mil was even showing up in their critical ICU.
So they said, wow, let's do a study.
And they started giving this to people when they showed up at the hospital and they cut deaths and they cut hospitalizations.
tim pool
Just vitamin D. And I want to make one thing absolutely clear.
We're not here to give anybody medical advice.
Talk to your doctor because you're going to hear a lot of things from a lot of people in a lot of different places.
We've got serious criticism of Dr. Fauci now because he's changed his numbers on herd immunity.
He was the one who initially said, you know, don't wear masks.
So look, I'm here to say this.
I don't care if you're left, right, up, down, whatever.
It's your doctor who knows what's best for you.
So take that seriously and we'll give our opinions.
luke rudkowski
And do your own research, do your own homework.
I mean, I personally decided to take vitamin D myself, but I know there's a chance of taking too much of it as well.
And I know that you should also get your blood tested to make sure that your levels are normal and not either too low or too high.
Because even if it's too high, it could be dangerous for you. And one of the one of the
tim pool
big issues I think we see that it sort of exacerbates a lot of censorship is that
people will go online and they'll learn about something maybe even like vitamin D
and then they might make take too much. That's why I got to talk to your doctor.
Your doctor is gonna know better than we will about you. So but anyway I digress.
chris martenson
Well even Dr. Fauci admitted he finally that he's taking vitamin D on his own
right and he but he said that to Jennifer Garner so he might have been a little
starstruck he was on her blog. Log right and she said what are you taking? He
said well I'm taking vitamin D you know and so here's the you know the people
the person that people are nominally looking to the most right.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
chris martenson
What is the downside for somebody like that to say, here's what I'm doing.
You might consider it too, but talk to your doctor.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
And well, I want to make sure I pull this up.
Dr. Fauci from CNBC.com is recommending vitamin D. So there you go.
chris martenson
Yeah.
He could have done that in March.
That would have been nice.
tim pool
This is September.
luke rudkowski
You know, the scary thing is there hasn't been a conversation about health.
There hasn't been a conversation about vitamins, about diets, about exercise, about sleep, about stress, about exercise.
There hasn't been real conversations about things that actually matter that will have a huge tremendous effect on what we're dealing with right now.
tim pool
That's fat shaming?
Okay?
And ableist.
luke rudkowski
I made a video about the fatties today.
Not people are going to like that, but I think it's important to bring up the reality of the situation so people understand what they're getting themselves into.
tim pool
It's a comorbidity.
Yes.
Obesity was a big factor.
luke rudkowski
And obesity is dramatically going up in the United States.
Some would say as a byproduct of the industry buying off the government and of course implementing a lot of policies that have been very hurtful.
And it's kind of strange that now a government that absolutely... What industry though?
I mean, we're talking about industries like Monsanto and the fast food industry and the sugar industry.
When you look at their impact on the market, when you look at their impact on human life, you see a huge, I would say, in my opinion, a detrimental impact that should be addressed, they should be held accountable for.
But the larger point that I was trying to kind of point to and make here, Is that we're kind of left in the dark, and we don't know what to do, because when you even talk about this stuff, you risk getting censored and banned, which is absolutely ridiculous.
tim pool
And you know why?
The way the censorship works, it's not like there's a doctor at YouTube who's got like a checklist of the appropriate response, CDC guidelines, going like, what did he talk about?
He talked about, that's okay, we approve of that, we approve it.
No, it's like some 20-year-old dude going like, He's talking about medicine.
Like, he's not a doctor.
I'm gonna ban those.
luke rudkowski
Even when you are a doctor.
chris martenson
Even doctors are getting banned.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I know, I know.
Did you get hit or something like that?
unidentified
I did.
chris martenson
I got a YouTube strike.
tim pool
You're not a medical... Are you a medical doctor?
No, you're not.
chris martenson
No.
tim pool
But you have a doctorate in pathology.
chris martenson
Yeah, and I'm eminently qualified to read reports and analyze them.
But in this case, all I was doing, there was a Senate testimony of a board-certified doctor who's in critical care, Dr. Corey, and he was giving Senate testimony.
Basically, the headline of it is, I can't keep doing this anymore.
Those are his words.
And what he meant was he couldn't watch people come into his critical care pulmonary center and die because he knew they didn't have to because he'd seen all this data, all this data coming in from all over the world saying there are things we can do.
And that was his testimony.
So I thought, well, let me review that for people.
And that's all I did.
I reviewed a board certified doctor's testimony, but that was deemed medical disinformation.
tim pool
I think there's a, if I were to take a simple, if I was to assume the simple reason as to why YouTube is so incredibly censorious is that they're scared of the media.
Because when, this all started when the Wall Street Journal smeared PewDiePie.
Then all of a sudden their advertisers just dropped off.
And YouTube already is burning a hole in the pocket of Google, losing money.
So they're just like, whatever the media says, we'll do.
And so you get activists in media who will find any reason to accuse you of wrongdoing.
And they've even removed... Rand Paul was giving a speech on the Senate floor on C-SPAN.
YouTube deleted it.
YouTube took the video down because, oh no, we can't have that.
They're more worried about the negative public perception from media companies than allowing people to have this conversation, to hear this testimony.
Was it Dr. Corey, you said his name was?
chris martenson
Yeah, Dr. Corey.
unidentified
Peter Corey.
tim pool
He was testifying to Congress, and that's not allowed anymore, I guess.
So we're, you know, I kind of feel like it's like, I don't know if you guys ever see one of those cartoons where they're on a mountainside, like driving on a road along a cliff, and then the car's like turning and the wheels are on the edge.
That's what we're kind of getting into here, but you know, hey, whatever, so be it.
chris martenson
Well, you saw Rand Paul's dad, Ron Paul, got a ding.
He got a YouTube strike.
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
Well, I'm sorry, it's Ron Paul's son, Rand Paul.
Ron Paul's the original.
chris martenson
I know, Ron Paul, the original.
tim pool
The original Paul, yes.
chris martenson
The original for COVID?
Talking about COVID?
He covered a Trump rally and he also got dinged with medical disinformation as the ding.
tim pool
He's literally a doctor.
chris martenson
I know.
tim pool
He was an OBGYN, right?
chris martenson
Yeah.
tim pool
I love it!
What?
And it's crazy, man.
Breitbart, This is amazing.
Breitbart was certified as credible by NewsGuard, which is like a Microsoft-funded news credibility rating system.
But then they filmed a press conference put on by a Republican representative and some doctors, and that was deemed enough to strike them down as not credible.
They didn't even say anything.
They just filmed other people talking at the Capitol with a politician.
luke rudkowski
But this is the bigger problem here that we really need to realize.
The official line that they're going with keeps flip-flopping every week.
Whether it's the World Health Organization or the CDC, they literally contradict themselves so many times and haven't come out with any concrete legitimate information that has been consistent. I don't
know about you, but I have a very hard time thinking that a government that never gave a damn about my
health somehow now is it's their number one priority. I think there's a lot of room to be
skeptical here. But again, there's no consistency here. We don't know what the official line
is because it keeps changing.
tim pool
I don't think the government cares about anything.
I think there's one thing, collectively, that's on the minds of politicians and bureaucrats.
It's, what will I do that's over the line that results in torches and pitchforks?
That's the thing, right?
That's the, like, it's, are the people gonna protest and rabble?
Because protests, mostly, I'll tell you this, non-violence of disobedience works, but I don't think they care anymore.
Because the way I described it, you know, earlier this year, you're only allowed to say bad things.
There's no conversation where we can be like, hey, we have good news.
A doctor said these things.
It's positive.
It's it's upbeat.
It's it's a light at the end of the tunnel.
They ban you for it.
They ban you for it.
You talk about this country brought up these treatments.
Oh, Trump is crazy.
He's wrong.
He's lying.
I would say I could say something like, you know, TechCrunch reported that ZPAC You know, hydroxychloroquine was showing promising results in a French study, and then a smear piece comes out claiming, you know, using twisted framing.
Tim Pool claims that studies prove blah blah blah, but that's not true, even though it's like, you know, they'll try and make sure you can't say anything positive.
So what ends up happening is all the news that comes out is super COVID is here, hospitals are overrun, everyone's, you know, sick and dying, it's getting worse, it's worse, it's worse, it's worse.
And so then everyone just keeps getting more and more scared.
And that results in the snowball rolling down the hill of the story only going crazier and crazier.
Because imagine this.
Right now, what we know is there are many hospitals that are being overrun.
We see the photos and the videos of the nurses there, and their faces, and the marks on their face from the PPE, and they're tired, and their hair's all messed up.
Most hospitals, it's my understanding, are actually okay.
There's tons of videos of hospitals that have not been overrun, and that's because hotspots are centralized in certain areas.
But we're not getting video after video after video of hospitals that are okay.
We're getting video after video after video of hospitals that are doing worse.
And then we're getting videos of nurses dancing.
I guess that's kind of the positive, I suppose.
unidentified
Glad they have time for that.
tim pool
The main point I'm trying to make is, if the only thing you ever hear and are allowed to hear is that things are getting worse, you don't actually know, like there's no balance to this conversation.
Is there a chance for optimism?
Can't tell you that because we'll be censored if we do.
That's where we're at.
chris martenson
Yeah, and as a scientist, this actually bothers me a lot, this whole idea that there is a central body, that there's an agreed-upon set of facts that we know.
We don't know crap about this at this point in time, right?
So here what we know, it's a novel coronavirus.
Can I even say this, you know?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
chris martenson
I can say that word?
tim pool
A novel coronavirus?
luke rudkowski
You can say coronavirus.
chris martenson
A novel coronavirus?
I can do that?
luke rudkowski
You can say that, yes.
tim pool
I mean, look, look, look, if we get banned, whatever.
chris martenson
So it's novel, which means we have to try some things, right?
And the whole thing about Dr. Corey and his testimony, he said, look, We don't need the latest whiz-bang stuff out of pharma.
That'd be great.
But we have a hundred years of medical and medicine development, and we have things that work.
And by the way, we try things all the time off-label.
We try things for other things, and they work all the time.
In fact, we do all sorts of off-label stuff already with kids.
You give them, like, you know, SSRIs and all that stuff.
That's off-label, right?
tim pool
Aren't there, like, medications that have a side effect of weight loss that they prescribe to people to lose weight?
Like, isn't there stuff like that, too?
That's off-label, right?
chris martenson
Yeah, and everything has a side effect, you know, everything, water, take too much, you have a side effects.
But I would just think that at some point this whole idea, we can't have that positive news, isn't the nation just like ready for some of that relief?
Wouldn't they be just, wouldn't everybody just be kicking their heels up if we said, we can, there's something that some doctors are saying is really effective.
And by the way, there's a lot of them that's better than go home and come back to the hospital if you feel worse.
tim pool
If it bleeds, it leads.
So, Lady just pulled this up.
This is from fortune.com.
U.S.
news coverage of COVID has been more negative than in other countries researchers find.
And that's a fact.
Like you mentioned, you got a strike on YouTube, and Ron Paul did as well.
And you are a PhD pathologist, and Rand Paul is literally a doctor.
Well, I should say he's retired.
But, man, how crazy is that?
chris martenson
So I started reporting again, January 23rd.
Within a couple of weeks, maybe a week and a half or so, my wiki page, which had been up for over a decade, got yanked, got taken down.
And the complaint was that I was talking about things that were out of my wheelhouse, that I had no authority, that in fact, I wasn't a practicing scientist and all this stuff.
Now, I'm a published scientist and it's true, I've been doing other things besides, you know, conducting science for a while, but that doesn't invalidate the training or the degree or what I know.
tim pool
Have the papers that you've gotten published in scientific journals been invalidated or removed?
It's all currently standing science.
chris martenson
It is, yes.
luke rudkowski
Well, this happens in many different instances in many different kind of areas.
For me, personally, they got me because I didn't believe in the Russian collusion after Donald Trump's victory when he first won the presidency.
And they delisted me.
They depersoned me on Wikipedia and said that this is a person that shouldn't even be mentioned or referenced no matter what he does, no matter what news he breaks.
tim pool
They're trying so hard.
I'll tell you, there's been a lot of attempts at somehow finding a way to smear me, because I'm fairly boring, you know, tepid commentary for the most part.
But there was an article I read from Fox Business about Seth Rich, and then there was a statement from Kidden.com.
They claimed that by talking about it and arguing that it wasn't definitive, I was pushing a conspiracy theory, and then NBC writes that and airs on TV.
I'm a conspiracy theorist, and then all of a sudden a bunch of other outlets just repeat it without any basis, any fact-checking, any sourcing at all, even though I'm the one who's constantly raining on all the parades of these people saying it's probably not true, Occam's Razor, Simple Solution, and I don't believe in any of this stuff.
Doesn't matter.
They need to find a way to discredit you and take you down.
I'm surprised they outright deleted your Wikipedia page.
That's bold, but that's one way to do it.
Because no one's... I think one of the issues is, who's gonna write negative things about you and what's their grounds to do it?
Right?
You're a published scientist giving your thoughts and opinions.
Quick, get rid of them.
Because if they can't smear you and find a way to do it, they have to just get rid of you, right?
unidentified
Right.
chris martenson
So I wasn't big enough to not be gotten rid of, right?
You have to be big enough so that it makes too much of a stink, you know?
So I think...
Already by early February, this means that there was a very serious attempt at message control.
And my view was, remember at the time, like New York Times, Washington Post, they're all saying, oh, it's just the flu.
It's no worse than the flu.
And I was like, no, this is totally different.
Here's some of the virology behind it.
This thing has got a lot of keys into the human locks.
And it's a little bizarre.
And I was saying, we need to take this really seriously.
And at the time, I was totally in conflict with the WHO because they were saying, well, we shouldn't shut down travel.
And that's I was just reading their own pandemic handbook.
That's what I was sourcing from.
And I was saying, no, that's actually step one.
You you stop travel.
Of course you do.
Even George Washington, when he was facing a huge outbreak of smallpox, first thing he did was he stopped people traveling to and from his army.
tim pool
Didn't he write letters telling people to get vaccinated, too?
chris martenson
They had some like that little stick thing that they could do.
tim pool
Yeah, there was like a letter going around where George Washington was apparently like, get the smallpox vaccine.
chris martenson
That was my first moment.
I'm a scientist.
I'm trying to share data.
I think this is interesting.
It could help people get prepared.
You know, I was telling people get PPE, N95 masks way before they got sold out, all that.
But then I'm confused.
I'm like, how is the WHO getting, like, its own handbook for this wrong?
And then my Wikipedia page gets taken down, and then I've just run... My YouTube subscriber count was just skyrocketing, and it leveled off the day I mentioned hydroxychloroquine, and it's been literally plus or minus 1,000 for eight months.
It's just flat.
unidentified
At 365,000.
tim pool
That's the way it works, man.
chris martenson
Yep.
luke rudkowski
Well, we also have to remember during that specific time, it wasn't just the World Health Organization going against their own guidelines.
It was also many politicians in the mainstream media saying it's xenophobic to stop travel, that it's racist to stop travel, and then politicians told you to go to the Chinese Day Parade and to go celebrate to show that everyone's not racist.
tim pool
Come on down to Chinatown, don't be racist.
So here's where this all leads us to, because we talk a lot about the hypocrisy and stuff.
It leads to people finally having enough.
We got the stories from the Daily Mail.
50 maskless anti-lockdown protesters force their way into LA supermarket after California extends regional stay-at-home order indefinitely amid 1,000% spike in hospitalizations.
They say police responded to calls about an unruly crowd at the Erewhon Market in LA's Fairfax District on Tuesday afternoon.
Dozens of maskless people were filmed shoving their way into the store.
The protesters berated staffers demanding that they cover their faces.
What?
We just want to shop.
We don't take our own precautions that we've been doing all our lives and we'll all be fine, an organizer of the demonstration said.
The incident came as Governor Gavin Newsom extended stay-at-home order in the Southern California region.
unidentified
L.A.
tim pool
County has become one of the nation's worst hotspots in recent weeks.
Hospitalizations in the county have grown tenfold in the last two months.
Check out this photo.
I mean, you guys can't see it, but for those that are watching, you can.
It says a crowd of about 50 maskless anti-lockdown protesters shoving their way into a store.
You got a lot of people, man.
I'll tell you.
I don't know.
I don't know if you remember seeing the videos from earlier in the year of the stores being stripped clean.
I mean, first of all, toilet paper was the first to go.
I think my favorite video was when everyone runs full speed and they're wrestling over toilet paper.
It's so weird, man.
Like, if you're worried... I guess they weren't worried about the pandemic.
They're just worried about wiping their butts.
For real.
All right.
You know what?
I'd run for the food and the bottled water.
Like, if I... if I... if everyone runs... breaks for the toilet paper, I'm gonna... I'm gonna go get some produce and some canned goods.
I don't know.
But anyway, I digress.
The other day we heard a lady beat a cop with her own baton because she was told to wear a mask.
A Navy vet bashed a guy at a bar over the head with a bottle for being told to wear a mask.
Now you've got these people storming their way into a supermarket saying we want to shop.
So what happens when people start running out of food?
Because it's gonna happen.
I mean, people aren't working.
California's making the lockdown crazier.
You combine that with the hypocrisy.
You combine that with people who earlier in the year were saying one thing and doing another, and now they've flipped 180.
And if you repeat the same thing the Surgeon General said earlier this year about masks, or Fauci did, well, they'll nuke you.
They'll get rid of your account, they'll get rid of your channel.
If you say it's xenophobic to ban travel, oh, you're gone, but they said all of that.
When they decide it, and it's not even Republicans, it's mostly Democrats, when they decide to say it, it's fine, no matter what it is they say.
That's where we're at right now.
People can see that, you know, you've got, uh, uh, Murphy in New Jersey went out to eat and got, got, got harassed by, or you got berated by some people.
You've got Whitmer went to get her hair cut.
Uh, you know, uh, Lori Lightfoot, you've got Nancy Pelosi, you got Newsome violating COVID lockdowns.
I wonder these people.
Their loved ones are dying.
They can't go out and they can't see them.
They can't be in the hospital with them.
Their children are being born.
Can't be in the hospital with them either.
I've seen tons of comments from people saying, you know, my parent or, you know, grandparent has been in the hospital with cancer or some illness and it's been weeks and they're deteriorating.
No one can see them or visit them.
And then what do we get?
The politicians are breaking their own rules.
Dr. Birx on the task force violates COVID restrictions that she's, the advice she's given, goes visits her family, takes photos.
And then insult to injury.
The nurses get on camera and choreograph dances and shuffle about in a place where people are dying in mass.
Eventually, I think the people are going to kick the doors into these supermarkets to start taking stuff.
And it's probably going to get crazier than that.
People are going to start, just, this law is going to start breaking down.
I mean, it already is.
chris martenson
Well, there's a... When I'm talking with somebody and we're sharing opinions, People can get, you know, passionate about it, but still you're just met with an opinion doesn't really go off the rails when you're talking about it.
But when somebody's beliefs are challenged, emotions flare up.
So I think what's actually happening is these people are finally discovering that, you know, we held a belief that we're a country, we're a country of people, we're decent, we're hardworking.
We have this American dream story, right?
And that our leaders are really there for us, you know, in some way, I guess went deep down, but this is COVID has stripped something bare.
Which is that our leaders don't care at all about us.
And probably the most shocking, grotesque display, and there have been many, has to be this most recent stimulus bill, right?
$600 for everybody earning 75 grand or less, right?
So that, you add it up, that's about 90 billion dollars out of 900.
That's 10% going to people, right?
Who have been out of work!
for months after months after months after months.
So what do you do with six hundred bucks after you've been out of work for, you know, eight months?
Not a lot, right?
Do you pay your your overdue cable bill or your cell phone or what do you do with that?
Right.
And then they put.
Ninety percent of that goes to, like, Israel and Egypt.
luke rudkowski
One point three billion is going to Egypt.
Seven hundred million is going to Sudan.
Four hundred fifty three million is going to Ukraine.
And then five hundred million is going to Israel.
tim pool
So, to just clarify, $200 billion of the $2.3 trillion Omnibus is going to be dispersed as stimulus payments.
The next $200 billion, and then there's $700 billion that's going to be dispersed in other kinds of economic relief, like the Paycheck Protection Program and things like that.
Then you get the omnibus spending bill which was a ton of it is like general spending programs but a lot of them are ridiculous like what's the what's the lizards on on treadmills or whatever and the Pakistani gender programs I don't care what the number is you know we're we're at a point where our economy has been decimated When we're unable to work and survive, why would you give any money?
Could you imagine?
Let me just give you an analogy.
Could you imagine you get fired from your job, right?
And you've got a savings of a couple grand, and your rent is like a thousand bucks a month.
And you're like, well, I could probably last about two months.
I'm gonna give my money to my neighbor.
He seems hungry.
Or you're gonna be like, I'm gonna give away a thousand dollars of my money for my savings so my neighbor can take a gender studies class at a local college.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
tim pool
Who in their right mind would do that?
ian crossland
When they said a $2.3 trillion we're gonna get, does that mean that we are gonna borrow $2.3 trillion from the Federal Reserve?
chris martenson
So the run rate of their spend right now is run rate on an annualized basis close to $10 trillion, and total income is around $4 trillion.
So they're spending, not all of that will be borrowed.
Some of that comes in in income taxes, some of it comes in in social security taxes, FICA, stuff like that.
But by far, the majority of it's being borrowed right now.
ian crossland
Do you know how much of it's being borrowed?
tim pool
Who does it get borrowed from?
How do they borrow it?
chris martenson
Well, the Treasury conducts an auction, and this is a very simple magician trick, right?
The Federal Reserve is not directly monetizing debt, because that would be banana republics.
What happens is, one of the 23 primary dealers, JPMorgan, etc., they go in and they buy these things, and then the Federal Reserve buys it from them.
And, of course, they take a little cut, you know, a little skim, a couple basis points, they take a little vig.
So that's how it works. But if you follow the action, the Federal Reserve is literally buying
fresh U.S. paper the same day in many cases. Right. So it's just one step to make it look
like it's not what it is, which is the Federal Reserve prints money out of thin air and our
government spends it. Sounds like a Ponzi scheme. Well, so what's the long term effect of that?
The long term effect is money is, let's be clear, money, it's just a, it's a, it's a social agreement.
It's just a, it's a claim on something.
There's, you know, the paper in Luke's notebook, you know, we say it's just paper, but this other paper has value, or these ones and zeros on this hard disk mean this, but not that over there.
So money is just this thing that we all agree has value.
The long-term effect of just printing, printing, printing is you take from everybody.
By last time I went to the grocery store, first time I ever had a $500 grocery bill, right?
And I could easily carry the whole thing, right?
And they tell me constantly, there's no inflation, but I know there is.
And my health care, which I have to buy as a small business owner, it goes up reliably 10-20% every year.
tim pool
Let me tell everybody a trick you can do right now.
Go on Amazon.com, select some electronics, put them into your cart, and then don't buy them.
Close the browser.
Come back in a week.
You'll get a notification.
Happened to me.
I was gonna buy a tablet and I forgot.
Opened it up a day or two later and it said price change 500 to 650.
The cost went up.
ian crossland
To clarify how we're borrowing this money.
So the U.S.
government will be like, we're going to borrow a trillion from the Federal Reserve.
But what they'll do is the Federal Reserve will loan a trillion to J.P.
Morgan or one of 23 banks, middlemen, and then the bank will loan it to the U.S.
government?
chris martenson
Not exactly like that.
So the Treasury Department puts out, let's say, a trillion dollars of Treasury bills, right?
Three-year notes, five-year notes, 10-year notes, whatever they are, 30-day bills.
But they put a trillion bucks out.
And then people bid for them in these competitive auctions.
Almost all of that goes to these big banks.
The big banks are buying it with cash they have kicking around, most of which they got from the Federal Reserve.
Different mechanism.
But that's real cash.
And then the Federal Reserve takes real cash and wires it into their accounts and takes those assets, those debt instruments, off their hands.
ian crossland
So the Federal Reserve is holding a bunch of U.S.
Treasury bills?
chris martenson
Yeah, a ton.
Trillions.
ian crossland
Can we default on that?
chris martenson
Not if you have a printing press.
It's very hard to do.
So this is what has really been running, and it's going to hit everybody really hard, and I think it's going to hit us really bad in the next few years.
And it's a direct consequence of all this printing, and it's this.
The Federal Reserve, my statement about them is they're what I call a reverse Robin Hood organization.
They print a lot of money.
The people who get their hands on it first, through something called the Cantillon effect, if you're closest to it, like if I'm the Federal Reserve, Luke, you're sitting there, and I print a bunch, a trillion dollars, you get it first, because you're the big bank in line.
You then spend that on whatever you want, and by the time it trickles out to the rest of the people, stakes are, you know, $18 a pound and whatever, right?
Because of that, what happens is, you find that as a little person, your bank account, it doesn't buy as much anymore.
Your purchasing power went away.
But where'd it go?
That's where'd it go.
That's the mechanism, the Mandrake mechanism, the sleight of hand.
So everybody in the nation, all 320 million, lose a little bit of purchasing power from their bank accounts.
But it's an economic axiom.
It had to go somewhere.
Where'd it go?
If you follow the story, it went to the billionaires, the trillionaires, the elites.
They got all of that.
So that's why I call the Federal Reserve the reverse Robin Hood, because they take from the many to give to the few.
luke rudkowski
And when you look at the purchasing... And that makes people pissed off.
Oh yeah, when they realize what's going on.
Because sadly, a lot of people don't realize what's going on and they're like, yes, government, give me my $600 or my $2,000 immediately.
And they think it literally comes out of thin air.
It doesn't.
You pay for it in one way or another.
Your children are going to be paying for it.
And if you look at the purchasing power of the dollar from 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, You will be absolutely shocked to understand how fast the value of the dollar is going down.
Even just recently, as you mentioned, in the supermarket, I'm even seeing it and it's scary stuff.
tim pool
I remember when I was a kid and a candy bar cost $0.40.
unidentified
I know.
ian crossland
Dude, I used to buy penny candy.
That was a thing.
And then sell it for $0.05 in front of my house.
Then they went up to $0.02.
I remember that.
They went from $0.01 to $0.02 in like the course of a year and then they were $0.05.
tim pool
That's inflation.
ian crossland
That's 100% inflation.
tim pool
So think about it this way.
The important thing to understand about this is, if you make 10 bucks an hour with inflation, with this mass printing of money, we've effectively just lowered the minimum wage, basically, in terms of buying power.
Of course, everybody's value is stripped, even the business owners.
Another way to look at it is, let's say you worked for 50 years, or 40 some odd years, you finally retired, and you got a couple hundred grand in your retirement account.
Well, you're not going to make more.
That's your money.
That's your budget for the rest of your life.
And then they mass print trillions of dollars, devaluing that currency.
All that's in your retirement account is worth half of what it was.
No longer enough to actually retire on.
What do you do?
I guess a lot of people are going to become dependent on the government to keep printing money for them because the money they have is no longer sound enough to actually buy things.
So then you get people who work at Walmart because Walmart gets special kickbacks from government.
Walmart then pays their employees trash.
Their employees then have to get government benefits and around and around we go.
ian crossland
But the government's not even printing it.
It's the...
Federal Reserve, a private company is printing it for us.
So and then we give them, we give them notes of like, we promise to give you the money back, right?
That's what these are.
chris martenson
Yeah.
ian crossland
If we were to default on that and say, you know what, Federal Reserve, we can't, we're not.
What would happen?
chris martenson
Well, the whole system breaks at that point in time.
The whole world.
The whole world breaks.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, the petrodollar.
chris martenson
So it's not just we, the people, who are on the hook for those Treasury notes, right?
So we owe a bunch of those to China.
China holds $1.3 trillion of them.
There's about $7 trillion of U.S.
obligations out there in the world.
It's a big number.
A trillion's a big number.
tim pool
And this is the crazy thing.
What that really means, and correct me if I'm wrong, that China has guaranteed access to U.S.
labor.
Right? That's ultimately what the money would get them.
Something produced or service provided by an American, they're getting.
So it's effectively like when the US borrows money from China to pay back with interest,
they're saying, what we're going to give you assures that the people in our country will work for you.
In some capacity.
ian crossland
Is that the Chinese central bank that we owe?
chris martenson
Yes, that's who's nominally owing it.
ian crossland
So it's the Chinese version of the Federal Reserve, which is the Bank of China.
So are you familiar with the Bank of International Settlements?
So that's like the mother central bank, where all the other central banks funnel their money through.
I would imagine that the Bank of China and the Federal Reserve are connected through the Bank for International Settlements.
chris martenson
Yeah, and I don't know that it's useful really to think about different countries when you get to the banking cartels.
You know, they're really a tribe.
You know, they hang out together and I'm not really clear what the difference is between Is it really like how you just explained?
tim pool
They do things on paper to make it seem like it's legitimate when in reality they just control whether you get access to resources or not?
chris martenson
Yeah, so I give a lot of talks, right?
And I've been in front of, I'm guessing, 10,000 different audience members at this point in time.
And I always ask this one question.
I say, particularly US audiences, I say, how many of you ever learned about how money is created in the system?
tim pool
I watched Zeitgeist.
chris martenson
I've had two hands go up that whole time.
Like, taught in school, right?
One was at a crazy Marxist professor at UMass, another was at Oberlin economics professor.
Again, a nut.
But you can teach this to fifth graders, and I know because I have.
And once you teach people how money is created in the system, because this whole idea that the Federal Reserve has money, no they don't.
They just literally click on a keyboard, and it's created in that moment.
tim pool
It's digital, isn't it?
chris martenson
Yes.
tim pool
It's all digital.
chris martenson
Not even paper.
Not even that.
Like, when you go and borrow money from a bank, people thinking like, Jimmy Stewart, it's a wonderful life, and you go down and your savings are in my mortgage.
It's not like that at all.
When I go to a bank and I take out a mortgage, they click on the keyboards again.
And when I borrow, say, $400,000 to buy a house, that's when it got created.
That's when the $400,000 came into being.
tim pool
Now, here's the easiest way I break down to people why it's a problem.
Because I've got a bunch of these, you know, lefty friends who are like, you know, we need this $2,000 stimulus bill.
And I'm like, I hear you.
I hear you.
You do.
I get it.
I get it.
You're going to get evicted.
Your job's been taken away from you.
But I think the real issue is that they've taken away your ability to provide for yourself.
So I try to explain to them why it's a problem we're printing all this money.
And I'll put it very simply.
There's five of us here in this room.
Imagine there was one dollar between the five of us and I'd give it to Luke and then Luke would trade to Ian and Ian would trade it and that's how the economy functioned.
Now imagine one day I show up and I start drawing on a piece of paper dollars.
I'm doing no work, I'm trading nothing for anybody, and I'm convincing all of you to give me your stuff because I drew a picture.
That's basically what's happening.
We're all, as working people, Doing something in exchange for a good so that we can provide for each other resources.
And then the government basically comes in and says, Ooh, I did work.
Here's my money too.
And we go, Oh, thank you government.
But they didn't.
They just drew it on a piece of paper.
They typed it on a keyboard and pressed enter.
And we're giving away our stuff to people who aren't working for us or with us or trading with us.
ian crossland
So we're using their money pictures and the payment for that is we got to give them interest for it.
chris martenson
And what is interest in this story, do you think?
What does that represent?
ian crossland
A percentage of the picture.
Like one for every hundred.
chris martenson
So to me, if you're the bank and you loan me that $400,000 mortgage and I pay it back to you.
That money was created and it's given back.
But where did the interest come from in this story?
What does that represent?
Well, what it represents is my labor over time.
So over the next 30 years, if I have a mortgage, I borrowed 400, I might pay 800 back, depending on the rate of interest.
Where did that 400,000 come from?
Well, it came from my hard work.
But when you created that 400,000, what'd you do?
You went clickety clickety click.
That was the total work in that story.
But me, I'm doing 30 more years in a garage, as a bus driver, as a whatever, whatever, right?
So that's why it's never taught in school.
Because once you learn that, you go, that doesn't feel right.
luke rudkowski
It's one big Ponzi scheme with these individuals providing absolutely no value at all.
Banking, Wall Street, they're the only industry that literally is the only people that don't actually produce something of a service, don't actually produce a good, they just literally make it out of thin air by pressing buttons on a computer.
tim pool
That's absolutely wrong, Luke.
You are wrong.
They provide excellent source material for movies like The Wolf of Wall Street.
That was a great movie.
It was awesome.
With Matthew McConaughey and he's pounding on his chest.
ian crossland
That was awesome.
tim pool
See, if it wasn't for these guys, would we be entertained?
ian crossland
They used to execute bankers for charging interest.
They called it usury.
It was a capital crime to commit usury, which was to charge interest on the loan.
tim pool
When did that change?
ian crossland
The 1700s, 1800s or something?
tim pool
I personally have no issue if I've got 10 bucks and I say, okay, I can front you the money now, but I want back $11.
I mean, if I'm actually giving you and taking that risk?
ian crossland
Giving a flat interest rate is different than a compounding interest rate.
Saying I want that back plus 10% is different than saying plus 1% every month until you pay me back.
tim pool
Well, look, I think if someone enters into a contract, it's their choice.
If I have money, if I say, look, I'm going to lend you this, you know, half bottle of water, but you got to give me a full bottle of water when, you know, in a month or so.
I think I'm fine with that.
The problem is when I'm like, okay, um, I'm not actually going to give you any real water.
I'm going to spit in a bottle, call it water.
And then you got to give me a full bottle, full bottle of water back.
chris martenson
But even with the spitting you, what you're doing there is you're actually doing something.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
Even spitting is work.
chris martenson
So you're doing something.
That's the difference here.
And so the idea of, like, if I earn $10 because of my hard labor, and then I decide to loan $10 to Luke, and, you know, he's going to pay me back $11, that's a different story from saying, I'm going to create $10 out of thin air, and then insist that you give it all back, plus some VIG, whatever the particularly compounding interest, right?
So that's the game.
And by the way, that game is going to unravel in everybody's lifetime here.
Mine.
Yours.
Everybody.
This is the story that's coming apart because it made a lot of sense in a time when you could just continue to grow exponentially forever.
That's what we've been doing on this planet.
And our money system is no different.
It's just compounding, compounding, compounding.
More and more and more debt.
Now it's kind of on that steep phase.
You know, you look at the pull up a chart of U.S.
government debt.
It is frightening.
tim pool
I've got StLouisFed.org's economic research money stock.
Have you seen this?
chris martenson
Yeah.
tim pool
It just goes up.
And then look at this.
In 2020, it goes from, you can see at the beginning of the year, it just skyrockets.
Billions of dollars jumps from $4,000 to $7,000.
chris martenson
So it's like... $4 trillion to $7 trillion, right?
Yeah.
But that increase, that's a 66% increase in 12 months.
So all the money used in this country for... 66%?
In one year.
tim pool
Because the last time we talked about it was at $35.
Yeah, that, well... Now they're printing more.
chris martenson
There's more.
This is M1 you're looking at probably, which is demand.
That's checking savings plus currency, right?
But think about that.
Every dollar created in our country was about $800 billion up till before the first great financial crisis, right?
Every bridge, every war fought, every school, every everything took $800 billion of money stock creation.
Then they doubled that in about a year.
And that model has just been going and you can feel it's getting faster and faster.
So for all your listeners out there, just ask yourself, does it feel like it's just speeding up?
Because it actually is.
tim pool
So Bitcoin.
luke rudkowski
I mean, those charts look similar to the Bitcoin charts.
tim pool
I have a phone with, you know, it has a Bitcoin wallet on it and it's an old phone.
So I just was like, at one point I was like, whatever, you know, just put it in a box and forgot about it.
And then I'm following Max Keiser on Twitter.
You guys know Max.
You know Max, right?
chris martenson
Yep.
tim pool
Orange Pill Podcast.
And he's got this really funny meme where he says, have fun staying poor.
Have you seen that?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
People who keep telling him Bitcoin is like, don't buy Bitcoin.
It's crazy.
It doesn't make sense.
It's him sitting in a chair, like looking at the camera, says, have fun staying poor.
And so I'm seeing him post these things.
And then all of a sudden, I'm like, people saying Bitcoin broke its all-time high.
And I'm like, where's that phone at?
And I'm like, trying to figure out where it is.
And it's dead.
And I got to plug it in.
To see like what's still on it because it's $28,000 for one coin a couple of years ago.
luke rudkowski
Well, this is the thing.
tim pool
$3,000.
luke rudkowski
People are looking for alternatives to the dollar.
People are looking to get out of this thing that, of course, people are just printing like crazy, and that's why we're seeing, I think, in one instance, why cryptocurrencies are doing so well right now because of this.
Incredible amount of money.
tim pool
Let me, let me, let me, let me tell you.
I think crypto is not the right call.
I think gold is not the right call.
If there's one thing you got to buy, it's primal youth, right?
Dr. Jones spinning here.
I'm kidding.
ian crossland
Infowars.com.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
Uh, water access to water.
Watching that video of these people storm through this supermarket because of the lockdowns.
And they're like, we want food.
Like we want to shop.
You can have all the Bitcoin in the world, when an angry mob is hungry, they're not going to stop to ask you for your public key or whatever to do an exchange.
They're going to punch you in the face and take your sandwich from you.
luke rudkowski
Of course, that's why I bought ammo, heirloom seeds, a lot of medicine that we can't even mention on this show right now.
Being prepared and having personal responsibility is the absolute key.
And when you're paying attention, when you know You know, big companies like Citadel and BlackRock, and you see the revolving door, you see the game that's being played on the American people, and you see the writing on the wall.
It's there, and it's becoming way more and more evident.
And when the people who are writing are going to find out about the exact details, I don't know.
Oh boy, I don't know what's going to happen.
tim pool
Do you guys see this video out of New York where the kids are smashing the SUV?
chris martenson
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Throwing their bikes at it.
One kid, you know, runs up, jumps, and then dropkicks the windshield.
It was a medical SUV apparently.
New York is... Look, I'm gonna call it a wasteland because I'm being hyperbolic, but let me tell you something.
What people don't understand about extreme circumstances is that you're a frog in a pot with the heat slowly rising until the water boils and you don't realize it.
Think about what you were doing in New York a couple years ago compared to what you can do in New York now, and you might be like, oh, that's kind of crazy.
Can't do any of that anymore.
When was the last time you saw a story about a mob of people breaking into a supermarket?
New York City is, it's, you know, there's street races at night now.
I'm seeing these videos of people just speeding through the empty streets.
Yeah, crazy.
And then driving around Manhattan because it's a wasteland.
And look, obviously it's not like a desolate, a post-apocalyptic fallout, you know, style, you know, junkyard or whatever.
There's people walking around living their normal lives, but in many ways, it's a fraction of what it used to be.
To the point where these kids can ride around with their bikes, smash windows, and just, there's nothing anyone can do about it.
luke rudkowski
But that's happening now.
What's going to happen when the value of the dollar goes even lower?
When there's a whole bunch of unprepared people that don't have resources, that don't know what to do, that don't have a plan, are stuck without any of the important things coming in?
tim pool
And this is what I'm saying.
If right now in New York, teenagers on bikes can just attack an SUV and get away with it, and we see people just driving around Manhattan, it's lawlessness.
What do you think happens if the police can't handle what's going on right now, you know, ruffian teenagers smashing a car?
How do you think they're going to handle pockets of 50 to 100 people in different parts of the city smashing their way into supermarkets screaming, we want to shop, we need food?
The cops are gonna go, I can't do anything about it, sorry.
If they can't handle this now, you do not want to be in a city like that.
I can't believe there are people who are staying there, too.
luke rudkowski
And they didn't handle it.
They didn't handle it during the summer of this year, during the Black Lives Matter protest, when they were just standing around, not doing anything, having their little protest against actually doing their job.
So when it came to when the people needed them the most, when there was rioting, when there was looting, when there was actual violence in the street, they literally just stood back and watched everything happen.
tim pool
Yeah, they did nothing.
So I think we're getting dangerously close to that point, where, you know, I was talking to my lefty friends, trying to explain to them the problem of mass printing.
What, have they nearly doubled the money supply?
Or a 66% increase?
That's crazy!
And, you know, we did a segment about it, and we got a ton of views on it, because people are like, they're seeing that spike in the money stock, and they're like, what does that mean?
That looks scary.
Like, because you have all of this, 200 years of slow and steady increase, and then boom, straight up.
So, but just wrap up my point real quick.
Talking to my lefty friend, I bring this up and I'm like, what does that mean for you?
I don't know, $20 for a gallon of milk?
$15 for a gallon of gas?
At some point, right?
If the money stock has just doubled, the inflation's coming soon.
Read your history, man.
Read about all these countries where the hyperinflation happened and the mass printing of money resulted in people shoveling bills into the dumpster.
What you were saying.
chris martenson
So...
I agree with all of that, and this problem definition that we're up against.
I mean, so first up, that chart.
Seeing the M1, the money supply just spike.
Listen, keep a journal.
I mean, this is crazy times.
This is the hard part.
I want to shake people by the lapels.
I want to slap them, you know, airplane style.
Wake up.
Because this is insane what's happening right now.
It's literally insane.
And if you can't decode the signals, so this is an easy signal.
66% increase in the money supply.
Trust me, we're going to get people like, well, when's this inflation going to show up?
Like it's already here, but the inflation goes where the money goes.
So they printed all that money and they mostly gave it to rich people.
So what do rich people like?
They like jewels, art, yachts, Gulf Streams, trophy properties, stocks and bonds.
All of those are through the roof right now.
unidentified
Yeah.
chris martenson
We're seeing all that.
The pricing on that, if you can even find a lot of this stuff.
So you held up water.
This is what my company, this is a company t-shirt.
We're all about resilience.
And so the problem definition side is like, yeah, this stuff is happening.
How much convincing do you need once you're past convincing?
What do you do about it?
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
chris martenson
You know, that's what we need to be talking about.
It's like, what do you do about this?
Because already where I live in Western Mass, all the properties got snapped up.
Just a fraction of a percent of people leaving New York and Boston said that was enough to kill our real estate market.
luke rudkowski
Yep.
And when you, I get a lot of questions specifically with people asking me, when will the Great Reset happen?
I'm like, it's here.
chris martenson
It's here.
luke rudkowski
It's happening right now in front of our very eyes and no one's even paying attention and realizing that it's the largest transfer of wealth is happening right in front of their eyes.
John Kerry came out.
He has a big position inside of the Biden administration.
He came out and said, of course, the Biden administration is going to go along with the Great Reset.
We're going to implement it quicker and faster than anyone could even imagine.
chris martenson
Yes.
luke rudkowski
But people forget we're here.
We're at this juncture right now.
chris martenson
The Great Reset people, this is, you know, Klaus Schwab and the whole Davos crowd, the World Economic Forum.
One of their key catchphrases they've been marketing for years is build back better, build back better, build back better.
tim pool
All across Europe.
chris martenson
And they had it recently.
We saw Trudeau out of Canada and Boris Johnson and we got Biden talking about it.
But the funny thing is, if you go to the Biden-Harris transition website, it doesn't say Biden-Harris-transition.gov.
Their website is literally buildbackbetter.gov.
That is their transition website.
tim pool
That's what these European leaders, that's their slogan.
Why is there a .gov that's a slogan of European leaders?
chris martenson
Why is it the president-elect's website, Build Back Better?
What does that even mean?
First off, it's sort of a, just grammatically, it's kind of a disaster, but...
ian crossland
Is it like, once it falls apart, we're gonna make it stronger again?
So like, if an animal's suffering, you want to put it out of its misery?
Is that what they're trying to do right now, is put the system out of its misery so that it can come back stronger?
tim pool
Well, what they're saying is, everything's being destroyed, and they're gonna build back Better.
unidentified
I needed the right emphasis on that.
luke rudkowski
Redefined capitalism to make everything more equal and more fair for everyone because you know the big powerful globalists that are responsible for so many ills and wrongs in the world are now going to have a 180 degree flip in their soul and actually start doing good things for everyone just like they promise in this very vague open language that we hear on the IMF, the World Bank, I do want to make sure we cite all this.
tim pool
We have The Hill.
John Kerry reveals Biden's devotion to radical Great Reset movement.
Now, to clarify, this is from a contributor, Justin Haskins, but he does go on to talk about the Great Reset movement, COVID, and here we have the World Economic Forum's The Great Reset website saying, there's an urgent need for global stakeholders to cooperate in simultaneously managing the direct consequences of the COVID-19 crisis, To improve the state of the world, the World Economic Forum is starting the Great Reset Initiative.
We had on Destiny.
Are you familiar with Destiny?
He's a leftist, although the progressive, I guess the woke left really hates him because he said, I guess he said that Kyle Rittenhouse was defending himself and so they went after him, but he's pretty lefty.
He said, he said, isn't a crisis like COVID the perfect time to do reforms to make the world a better place?
Doesn't that make sense?
So I think the issue is, Put a pin in that.
Now I'll mention I had Alex Jones on the show, and I asked him, what if they're right?
That, you know, humanity is hurtling towards non-existence, extinction, because we're destroying this planet, stripping resources, and just burning ourselves alive.
Don't we need to do something?
Is that possible?
And Alex actually said, you're right, I think about that all the time.
It may be, but, you know, it's a very serious challenge.
And then ultimately, what it comes down to, hearing this from, say, Destiny, or hearing what Alex thought about it, It's a question of your right to impose what you think is right for the rest of the world.
And here's where the real problem comes in.
If you came to me and told me, Tim, the world is on fire and it's going to end soon, I'd be like, that's a problem.
What can we do to solve it?
If I trust you.
What if you're not right?
What if you're just another crazy person like all the rest of the crazy people who thinks they know what the world needs?
You've got fascists who think they know what the world needs.
I certainly don't trust them.
You've got communists who think they know what the world needs.
I don't trust them either.
So if someone comes to me and says, we must impose authoritarian rule over all of the people of the world to make sure we survive, I don't have any good reason to trust what you're saying.
I want the world to survive.
I want to mitigate these problems.
I personally think we've got a problem with climate change, and you even mentioned we've got a problem with resources.
But who do I trust?
Who do we empower to put the boot down over everybody else?
chris martenson
I agree.
A doctor once told me, I love the saying, people don't sue outcomes, they sue relationships.
So here's my relationship with these elites at this point in time, they just lie about everything.
So I'm actually fairly sympathetic to this line of thinking.
If they said, listen, we're 7.8 billion people, normal trajectory, we're going to nine, maybe 10 billion.
That's a fact.
That's gonna happen by 2050.
Here's where we are in the resource story.
Here's how much oil we think we have left.
Here's how much fresh water we think we have left.
There's a there's a gap here.
We have a problem on our hands.
But let's pull through this together.
So this would have been like going to the nation back in 1940 and saying, we have to defeat Nazis, right?
And as long as you're honest about that, people will go, okay, you know, if people know what the vision is, they will crawl through mud, literally.
You ever seen those people do those mudders, right?
Like just crawling?
Tough mudder.
Yeah, and it's team based and they want to do it.
So people do amazing.
I have great faith in people.
But I think what you're talking about is that the people who are pulling the strings up there right now, they don't have that same faith.
In fact, they actually don't trust us.
So that means we're in a relationship that's not based on trust.
And so your question is a good one, which is why should I do anything if I don't trust you?
tim pool
Well, here's an interesting conundrum, I suppose.
You've got the IPCC, you know, a consensus among scientists, climate change is happening.
How do you feel about that?
What's your thoughts on climate change?
chris martenson
It's very complicated.
I've put not enough time into it to really understand what's going on, but I get the basic theory of it.
tim pool
I don't want to get into the actual politics that arises around it, but I just wanted to point out that you've got a large faction of people who don't believe it's real.
If you get someone like Al Gore coming out of the documentary and doing a presentation saying, you know, here's what's happening, and half the country believes it and half doesn't, then I don't necessarily agree that if they came out and said, here's our plan, people would just agree to do it.
I think a lot of people would just say, no, you can't tell me what to do.
chris martenson
But it's not necessarily around the climate change. This resource story is more direct, more linear.
So ocean acidification is something I believe in completely because it's very simple. You take the
partial pressure of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, and the higher it is, the more there is,
the more goes in the water, the more acidic it becomes, period. And I know I've talked to oyster
farmers who can't grow oysters in both Maine and in this Puget Sound because the ocean's too acidic.
tim pool
But the jellyfish comes in, and people are eating the jellyfish now.
chris martenson
I've never tried it.
Is it good?
ian crossland
Have you looked into iron fertilization?
chris martenson
Yeah, this whole idea that we're going to geoengineer our way out of this, I think, is... Here's... Complexity theory is the most important thing I've ever learned.
And in complexity theory, there's a couple things.
Like, even if we had a computer and we're modeling sand being dropped, when, exactly when, and how much is that pile is going to slump, we don't know.
We can't predict it.
unidentified
Yeah.
Right, right.
chris martenson
We don't that defies us.
So when you say do I believe in climate change, it's not a question of belief.
What I'll tell you is it's not just a complex system.
It's hundreds of nested complex systems.
Our ability to predict that is zero.
But we can sort of look at the larger trends, which I do believe in.
But anybody who has certainty about where anything's going to go or how it's going to
play out.
I don't know about that side of things, but ocean acidification is dead simple.
Tell me how much how much CO2 is in the atmosphere and I'll tell you what's going to happen.
tim pool
And so I've worked for environmental nonprofits and we like we talk a great deal about the dead zones that have appeared and say like the Gulf.
Are you familiar with these?
chris martenson
Yeah, from all the nutrient runoff, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, so, and there's also the other problem, you mentioned fresh water.
I did a short segment on a desalination plant in, I believe it was Carlsbad, California.
And a lot of people are saying, oh, look, the whole world is water, we just gotta get the salt out of it, we can drink it.
What they don't realize is, first of all, that creates a mass movement of the water into other areas, but the brine runoff, From the, when they pull the brine, they basically take salt water, and they pull out a bunch of, you know, water molecules, which gives them fresh water.
They get a really dense, salty brine, which then rolls down the bottom of the ocean bed, killing off all of the smaller lifeforms, creating this wave that goes all the way up, creating a dead zone, where now there's nothing alive anymore.
So that desalination is not a solution to this.
So ultimately what I'm getting to is, it seems like we can't just keep doing what we're doing, can we?
chris martenson
Nope.
That's the point.
tim pool
We can't, we just can't.
But where's the balance between an individual's right to choose and live their lives for themselves and Yeah, but the people who are saying things are burning down, they're lying through their teeth.
luke rudkowski
And usually they are connected to individuals who are doing the burning.
So when we look at the actual pollution, when we look at the actual issues that the Earth is facing, whether with natural resources or not or or some of the studies that manipulate the data to to highlight that maybe it is declining maybe it's not declining a lot of this is contrived by organizations that benefit from this that get more power and control by you believing some some of these things and then they extort it to get power taxes they they wanted to do a carbon tax on individuals cnn again lambasted individuals for for eating meat and they're saying because of climate change you're going to have to eat
less meat. Meanwhile, they're not even talking about the multinational corporations that are
mostly responsible for the the quote-quote carbon emissions that are going on there and they're
shifting the blame on the individuals when they're the ones creating the problem that they magically
have a solution to that we have to go along with. That's crazy. I think a really good question that
tim pool
needs to be answered is when you look at Greta Thunberg, she complains about the U.S. and
and Europe, and she ignores China and India.
Why is that?
Look, I'm here with you, man.
I'm ready to fight for the environment and all that good stuff, but I got a real problem when we ignore a couple very important questions.
We ignore China and India, and they're pumping out tons of carbon, and I don't see Greta Thunberg complaining about that.
The U.S.
is actually working hard to reduce carbon emissions, find other ways to produce energy.
Not like it's perfect, but then you also see these elites who fly on jumbo jets and have big houses, but more importantly, buy beachfront property.
luke rudkowski
Like Bill Gates.
Bill Gates recently bought beachfront property.
chris martenson
Haven't all of them bought?
luke rudkowski
But this is the thing we also have to understand.
A lot of China's pollution was predominantly responsible because of other countries sending their garbage to them and they said that they're going to recycle it.
They didn't recycle it.
They sent it into the oceans and then the world found out that recycling mainly, in part, was a large scam on the people.
tim pool
I think I figured it out.
You see, all these rich people buy this beachfront property, right?
Because they really want to live on the beach.
luke rudkowski
Barack Obama just did it too recently in Maine.
tim pool
But then, they're sitting there thinking, like, I just invested, you know, $10 million in this condo, right?
And it's going to be underwater in 20 years.
So they go to their buddies and say, how do we stop my condo from going underwater?
I know.
Let's...
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
Lock everybody down so that no one can do anything because then they know we'll save resources. That means the elites
luke rudkowski
I'm half joking by the way Well, there's climate change zealots right now that are
coming out in mainstream media publications and they're writing editorials how we need to continue
These lockdowns we need to prevent people from riding cars We need to prevent people from traveling to stop climate
change after we defeat the corona virus We still have to continue these practices because they're
good for the environment. Meanwhile, they pointed the responsibility at the individual
Rather than the actual corporates the culprits who are responsible for it and it's absolutely sickening and it's
totally disingenuous Quote journalism its PR propaganda for the very rich to
tim pool
become richer They write that the Great Reset is a conspiracy theory.
That people think the elites are just locking us down because of climate change and not really because of COVID.
I got an article here from the World Economic Forum themselves.
Emissions fell during lockdown.
Let's keep it that way.
Well, there you go.
I don't think we need one.
They're saying it to us.
chris martenson
So if somebody says they're going to do something and then it happens, it's now a conspiracy theory to suggest that that might have been what happened?
luke rudkowski
Well, that's what the New York Times even wrote.
They said if you talk about the Great Reset, you're a conspiracy theorist.
It doesn't exist.
It's not here.
Meanwhile, other publications are like celebrating it and saying that this is going to be great and amazing.
tim pool
It started out with you had the World Economic Forum writing the Great Reset.
Here's what we're going to do.
Then when the right, conservatives and libertarians started talking about it, the New York Times said, oh, it's a conspiracy.
It's not real.
Then about a week later, you started getting these mainstream publications just defending the Great Reset, saying far-right, you know, white supremacists, etc., are attacking the noble and great Reset.
Like, we are all working together for a better world, and these far-right white nationalists are a harumph, I say.
chris martenson
But here's the thing.
tim pool
That's the trajectory things go through.
chris martenson
You could ask every one of those journalists and say, what exactly does the Great Reset entail and what impact is it going to have on your lives?
Nobody knows.
Nobody has an idea about this, right?
Except I'm not going to own anything.
I'm going to be happy about that.
I'm going to rent everything.
luke rudkowski
Have no privacy.
chris martenson
No privacy.
But that's all I know about it so far.
tim pool
That's you.
Not them.
What I think I see happening right now is, for a long time in the United States, upward mobility was a thing.
The American dream existed for people, even people who were not from here, could emigrate, become American, find their American dream.
You could be in poverty in the old country, come here, work really, really hard, and eventually your kids are living better than you've ever dreamed, and you've got your own house, and you've got a business.
ian crossland
Drive that Ponzi scheme to the top.
tim pool
Well, so what's happening now is the American dream was upward mobility.
You know, in some countries there's none because it's class-based or caste-based.
Well, what's happening now is with the Great Reset, I think what they're going to do is there's a hundred ladders that you can climb for that upward mobility.
99 of them are getting the axe right now.
And they'll keep one or two.
Some people will be allowed if they approve of you and you help them.
And they will get to continue flying around on jets, running the world, doing whatever they want.
But hey look, emissions are down, the World Economic Forum says.
Let's keep it that way.
ian crossland
I don't think that's good.
tim pool
Does that mean they won't be flying?
No, it means you won't be flying!
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
That's a great point that you're making there.
And when you look at upward mobility, it's virtually almost Coming to a point where it's impossible in the United States.
You look at low-skill labor, that's being replaced with immigration.
You look at high-skill labor with programming, there's a whole bunch of visa programs that are outsourced to India and China that are literally shipping in labor into the United States.
So people going to college right now, getting into debt for the rest of their life, come out and there's no job prospects out there.
There's going to be less and less of them.
We were already facing a large economic turmoil, especially in the retail market before the coronavirus.
Now, there's going to be a huge reckoning and a huge restructuring.
The Great Reset, it's here.
It's the largest transfer of wealth.
And they're enforcing it with brute force.
If you're a business, if you don't transfer your wealth to Amazon, to Walmart, to Target, the police will come after you, they'll shut you down, the IRS will audit you, and they will make sure any semblance of self-responsibility, any semblance of you being able to fend for yourself is eliminated, and that's exactly what's happening right now, and it's sickening.
tim pool
So there's one funny thing that's going on right now is there's a call to boycott Walmart.
And it's because Josh Hawley, Republican senator, announced he's going to be objecting to the electoral vote count supporting Donald Trump.
The Walmart official Twitter account tweeted— I wonder if the Newsweek article has the tweet.
They do.
Check this out.
Walmart tweeted— Walmart!
The actual Twitter account for verified Walmart.
Go ahead, get your two-hour debate, sore loser.
Walmart had to issue a public apology.
It was a team member who forgot to switch accounts, and conservatives are like, no, we're going to boycott Walmart.
Well, progressives, seeing the opportunity, were like, yeah, conservatives, woo, you're right, let's boycott Walmart.
And they're going, we actually just want to boycott Walmart because they're a massive corporation that rips off their employees and doesn't pay fair wages.
And then I'm sitting there like, I don't care what your reason is for boycotting Walmart.
I think Walmart's trash.
I think we gotta support mom-and-pop shops.
So if you're mad about them tweeting at Josh Hall and you want to boycott it, I'll take it.
If you're a progressive who doesn't like they're paying wages, I agree with you.
So how about we help the small businesses, the little people who need support right now, And we stopped shopping at Walmart.
luke rudkowski
I'm with it.
I mean, I mean, Walmart's taking their profits from us right now, and they're investing it back into Wuhan, China of all places, which is absolutely disturbing.
What do you make of all this, Chris?
Are you going to boycott Walmart?
chris martenson
I have been for years.
I'm way ahead of the curve.
tim pool
I haven't been.
I haven't been.
I've been a little lazy on it.
And I saw a tweet from Jen Perlman we had on the show, and she said we should boycott Walmart because, like, you know, they don't pay fair wages or whatever.
And this is true.
I mean, Walmart pays trash, and then their employees have to get welfare to make up the difference.
chris martenson
Yeah, it's a subsidy.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm like, why are my taxes going to that?
That doesn't make me happy.
So yeah, maybe Walmart should pay better.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, this is the Ponzi scheme that's going on right now.
Many people aren't being paid a living wage and they have to go on government assistance, which of course is paid for through the tax dollars.
It's another subsidy that they're receiving, which is an unfair advantage than anyone else in the business field.
This is not a free market capitalistic society.
This is a society by the rich.
ian crossland
Even these living wages are money from the Federal Reserve that are not sustainable.
We've got to pay back with interest.
There are no living wages right now.
tim pool
Let's say living buying power or buying value.
ian crossland
For the moment, but it's not sustainable.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
I'm not talking about the Federal Reserve.
I'm saying people need to have a way to sustain themselves with proper buying power, and the Federal Reserve strips that away.
That's the problem.
I agree with you.
So what I'm saying is, you've got a lot of people who are mad at Walmart because they insulted Josh Hawley, who was supporting Trump.
Come on board!
Let's do it.
But listen, listen.
Conservatives all about helping the small business owner and the people who are fighting and working for themselves.
I agree with you.
We should be shopping at the boutique stores, but they've all been shut down.
So the government not only is paying a subsidy wage to the people who aren't being paid enough by Walmart, Our taxes cover that, and then the government comes in and shuts down all the small businesses, forcing us to go to places like Walmart.
Talk about a lucrative merger between corporation and state.
chris martenson
Oh, there's a word for that.
Oh, fascism.
I thought all the left was supposed to be fighting all that, but here they are really cheering it on.
tim pool
The left's definition of fascism is ultra-nationalism and traditionalism.
And they argue that even though I believe Mussolini said it was the lucrative merger between corporation and state for a singular purpose, it was nationalistic.
Look, when we say fascism, we usually just mean totalitarian dictatorship, you know, single party rule.
And why are we left and right?
We got to come together.
And let's, you know, you get left over here and the right over here.
We all crack beers together and realize, for different reasons, we're mad at Walmart.
Can we all agree that Walmart is bad?
And I'm sorry for singling out Walmart.
Actually, no, I'm not sorry for singling out Walmart.
But it's other stores, too.
It's Target.
It's these big box stores.
And it's Amazon.
Amazon's so easy.
Whenever we need something, it's like, I can just go to Amazon, boom, it's there, and it's prime, it's delivered.
We gotta go back to supporting people.
You know, the problem we have right now, money is being siphoned away, a transfer of wealth.
It's not just happening because of COVID and the lockdowns.
Everything that the left has pointed out, referencing that Walmart doesn't pay enough so their employees go on welfare, and then our taxes pay for those people, That's another transfer of our wealth to a massive corporation.
luke rudkowski
I'm not cool with that. Or individuals like Jeff Bezos. I was about to say, can we please do
wall amazon too? Because they had 1.5 billion items that were delivered just during this
holiday season. They had a 50% increase since last year's holiday season in the amount of
people that used them.
And this is a company working on the latest and greatest police state technology, quantum computing to break encryption, artificial intelligence.
They're working with the CIA.
They're working with the Pentagon.
If there ever was a legitimate threat against your civil liberties, against your freedoms, against your economic future, it's, it's, it's Amazon.
ian crossland
Let's just... I got all these things on Amazon.
The Gorilla 2 and the crystal ball and the plasma ball.
chris martenson
Yeah.
ian crossland
I think I got this glass on Amazon.
tim pool
It's pretty easy to use.
ian crossland
This thing too, maybe.
tim pool
It reminds me of Idiocracy, where Costco is this massive multi-square mile building where people get lost inside.
ian crossland
Dude, it's incredibly convenient when they can drone deliver things through the stratosphere, when we're going to be able to drone ship materials into the desert, because we're just launching these drones.
It's going to be the way we're supposed to live.
I just don't like one guy owning that.
I don't want to seize the production, but maybe there's a better way to decentralize the ability.
tim pool
This is why I'm all about mixed economy.
I don't like the idea of... Here's what I don't like.
I don't like when the regular working class person loses their rights to figure out what they need and trade as they want.
And that's what you get with full-on socialism or communism.
When the regular working class person loses choice.
I'll tell you what I really, really don't like.
I don't like Jeff Bezos extracting value and destroying mom-and-pop shops.
I don't like big box stores setting up next to a boutique, shutting them down.
I don't like Starbucks setting up next to a small town mom-and-pop coffee shop, and then dropping their prices to gut them out, and then once they're gone, cranking the prices back up.
That's a problem.
chris martenson
What's at the root of all this?
tim pool
It's obviously capitalism.
I say, you know what, the workers of the world, you know, I'm kidding.
ian crossland
It's the job economy, right?
What do you think it is?
chris martenson
It's money.
It's just money.
It's like this old biblical sort of understanding of mammon, right?
So mammon comes out and confuses people with his shiny baubles and people do crazy stuff against every principle they have.
We have corporations right now that will do anything for that bottom line.
Anything.
So one of the things I track is insects, birds, all this stuff.
I'm kind of an outdoor guy, right?
And they're just plummeting.
They're in decline.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Birds?
chris martenson
Birds, massively.
tim pool
Birds aren't real.
I'm kidding.
chris martenson
I've heard this.
tim pool
Somebody was posting in the chat over and over again.
chris martenson
I know.
I don't know what that was about.
Didn't take.
That was a failed meme.
It did not launch.
tim pool
No, there's a subreddit called Birds Aren't Real, and they go at it.
unidentified
I know.
chris martenson
They keep trying.
But capital T Try.
It's painful at this point.
So let's keep moving.
tim pool
So what kind of birds are you tracking?
chris martenson
Um, all of them, all the migratory birds at this point in time.
luke rudkowski
Sparrows?
chris martenson
Yeah, they're in huge, huge decline everywhere.
They just had this massive buy-off that just happened just this past week in White Sands in New Mexico, the place where they were trying to migrate, but they just couldn't make it.
They just fell out of the sky.
tim pool
Sparrows?
chris martenson
All kinds of things.
Everything migratory.
Yep.
tim pool
They were falling out of the sky.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
chris martenson
Why?
Emaciated.
They're out of food.
So the insects are all gone.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
chris martenson
So I'm old enough, you guys might not know this, but when we would go on family trips, right, get in the old woody station wagon, you know, no seat belts.
It was that kind of an era.
Every gas stop, which was plenty because the cars got zicked for mileage, right?
I would have to crawl out and try and get the bugs off the windshield.
And they were just thick, right?
But not just one type, not a swarm of mayflies.
There's grasshoppers and dragonflies and big things and little things.
You don't see that anymore.
I now drive hundreds of miles over the course of the summer and might get one bug.
It's not because my car's aerodynamic.
They just aren't there.
tim pool
We got spider crickets here.
chris martenson
And we're doing that.
Yeah, those things are nasty.
They're a little scary, right?
And we're doing that because we decided to switch to a new brand of pesticides called neonicotinoids.
And we did this because it's just a little bit cheaper.
Right.
tim pool
Yeah.
chris martenson
And they get to sell a couple billion dollars worth.
But we're taking out the bottom of the food chain.
So the larger story around the same story as Walmart, the theme for me is We have to get back in right relationship with ourselves, with our workers, with our biosphere.
Like, if we don't get this relationship thing right and we keep going spiraling down this Great Reset, control everything, I think it ends badly.
tim pool
Wait, wouldn't the Great Reset help solve that problem?
luke rudkowski
No, it would exacerbate it tenfold because it's the same people, the heads of Monsanto, the heads of all these regulatory groups.
Today, Joe Biden just picked A gentleman that's deemed Mr. Monsanto as the top head of the USDA today.
chris martenson
Well, there's change you can believe in.
luke rudkowski
Yes, exactly.
And those are the same individuals bringing in the Great Reset, so we're gonna have, you know, Mr. Monsanto at the head of agriculture that's gonna make everything right for you?
I mean, I'm sorry, it's gonna be naive to believe any of these individuals because when you look at their track record, when you look at what Monsanto did, not just with Roundup, But with so many different instances that I could bring up here right now, it is absolutely dumbfounding why they are still allowed to be an entity that exists.
It's crazy.
tim pool
You hear about the rat that was trying to eat a pigeon in New York City?
chris martenson
No, they're that hungry, huh?
tim pool
Yep.
chris martenson
They're all out of Cheetos and hot dog rinds.
luke rudkowski
Well, there's also the story today of squirrels attacking human beings.
tim pool
Exactly.
Squirrels have been attacking people in New York, biting people, because they're getting desperate.
And, you know, it's really interesting.
I watch these videos of, like, you know, a cat and a bunny, and they're, like, laying together.
chris martenson
Yeah, because they're well-fed.
tim pool
Exactly.
I was reading it, like, why is it that we claim that dogs and cats hate each other, and in reality, like, you'll see a video of a dog and a cat laying there, and, you know, fat and happy.
Even for, like, a lion.
You can have a lion and a small little pig or something, and the lion won't, will leave it alone because they're well-fed.
And it's, they don't want to waste energy fighting.
Fighting is dangerous.
It's scary.
If they get free food from somewhere else, they got no reason to do it.
Now we're seeing a rat fighting a pigeon, and some dude swinging at it, but now squirrels are attacking human beings, desperate for food, because when they have no choice, they would rather fight you, even though they know they're gonna die, because they're like, I'm gonna die anyway.
ian crossland
You're making me think about humans, man.
That's how humans are too.
tim pool
Yes.
chris martenson
Yes, exactly the same.
tim pool
And so what happens when this lockdown carries on longer and longer, and people start smashing their way into these businesses, because they have to eat?
ian crossland
Don't want to be in a city right now.
We need to figure out a better way.
tim pool
Don't want to be in a city right now.
luke rudkowski
Yes, that is a recipe for disaster.
And what you were just talking about, I mean, it's something that I also observed this summer
driving around in the United States.
I was like, why aren't there a lot of bugs in the windshield like there used to be when
I was a kid when we had road trips?
And there's none, and it's terrifying because when you look at the kind of ecosystem, it's being interrupted.
It's being interrupted in record levels that are going to have a huge impact.
chris martenson
So when I talked about those complex systems before, here's how they work.
You mentioned jellyfish.
There's a great story about this, right?
In the Adriatic Sea, they had sardine fisheries for thousands of years.
Thousands of years.
And finally, they just overdid it.
Just, you know, mechanized trawlers, GPS.
You start six inches from where you left off last Tuesday.
You know, nothing.
They scraped the ocean clean.
And once the ecosystem said, oh, there aren't enough fish and the jellyfish could get in a toehold.
And then they took over.
They now have a jellyfish ecosystem and nobody has a clue how to undo that.
Because it's like the marble went out of the fish bowl and went over into the jellyfish bowl.
And that's where it is now.
luke rudkowski
And this is going to have a huge effect on our food industry.
And people don't even realize this.
tim pool
Do you know about the mussels in Lake Michigan in Chicago?
It's an invasive species.
chris martenson
The zebra mussels, you mean?
tim pool
Yeah.
chris martenson
Yeah, we had those in the lake that I went to.
tim pool
Yeah, it just started spreading like crazy.
Invasive species.
So listen, though, if all these bugs are gone and we have these acidification and dead zones, and now they're saying that because we've locked everything down for a year, that CO2 levels have dropped and emissions are going down and stuff like that.
Won't that help solve a lot of this problem?
Won't that help insects come back and ocean life come back?
chris martenson
Back up to a point.
The work I do in the world is about this.
We need a new narrative.
So we live by stories.
And we had this story that was running for thousands of years.
Stop me if you heard it.
Be fruitful and multiply.
Right?
At a time when that story came out and they're like, this is a kick-ass story.
You know, we need to use this.
It's because, you know, there were basically a few million people on the planet.
We're at a different part of this story.
And I think that's what the Great Reset people are wrestling with.
I think they're doing it inelegantly.
I think they're doing it, you know, a little bit duplicitously.
But we need a new story that says, how do we live within our means?
How do we live within our ecological budget?
Because what used to be, you could just sort of overshoot that and who cares?
And it always bounces back.
But now it's not bouncing back.
And that's what people are feeling.
I think because we evolved on this planet through billions of years, that we can feel that on some level.
And I think that explains why people are so anxious right now, because we're We're kind of destroying the place we live on.
luke rudkowski
But I don't think, I don't think we need to be put in check.
I think they need to be put in check because when you look at the ones most responsible for pollution, when you look at the ones most responsible for pesticides, they are the ones who are responsible.
So that's why I don't trust their solution.
tim pool
You were just mentioning what, like 73% of Americans are fat?
luke rudkowski
Either obese or overweight, according to a new report that just came out.
Yes, we could all be better, of course.
I agree with you.
tim pool
No, no, but listen.
I think the problem is twofold.
You've got massive corporations that are pumping out carbon emissions, and I see this from the left.
They say, stop demonizing the people.
It's the corporations that are responsible for the majority of the pollution.
luke rudkowski
Predominantly, yes.
tim pool
Yeah, but it's the people who are buying and demanding that the corporations continue.
luke rudkowski
Not just them.
When we're talking about Monsanto, these are people that leveraged government at almost every element to get an unfair advantage to do whatever the hell they wanted to.
And it's not a free market competition.
No one said, hey, I really want to support GMO seeds now.
I really want, you know, Frankenstein to go into the laboratory and build some Gene splicing between pigs and tomatoes.
No one voted for that.
Is that real?
There's a lot of gene splicing.
Yeah, I mean, you gotta look up the direct references, but there is crazy gene splicing experiments that are being done.
tim pool
Remember when Homer Simpson spliced tobacco and tomatoes together?
luke rudkowski
Yes, I remember that episode.
tim pool
And then for some reason the tobacco inside the tomato was already dehydrated.
I was like, what is up with that?
luke rudkowski
Well, you know, there's things that, of course, people never voted for, and there's many ways you could vote.
You could vote with your dollar, you could vote with your attention.
By watching this podcast, you are voting with your attention, and it's a huge way to incentivize what you want.
And I think I agree on that element, that we as human beings need to realize every decision we make does have an impact, We do ultimately matter.
We are the change that we want to see in this world.
And if we're not doing good, we're not prepared, we're not responsible for ourselves, no one else will be.
tim pool
I'll put it, I'll put it simply, man.
Look, I am so on board to save this planet.
We're talking about ocean acidification, climate change, the birds falling from the sky, the bugs are gone.
I'm getting scared, right?
And then I'm like, all right, Obama, tell me what to do.
unidentified
And he's like, well, I just bought a boat and a big $30 million mansion on the beach.
And I'm like, okay.
tim pool
You're clearly not taking this seriously, dude.
unidentified
What am I supposed to do?
chris martenson
Remember after an inconvenient truth comes out, right?
And scares a lot of people, and you get to the end of it, and it's kind of like, well, maybe you should, I don't know, maybe you should put some compact fluorescent light bulbs in.
You're going, what the, how does this connect?
But so I actually go to the website, I'm like, okay, what is he up to, Mr. Gore?
And then you find out he has six homes with a collective 60,000 square feet of, you know, not him.
Not him.
It's not about him and all that.
But you know, the reason I'm really excited to be here is because I think there's the problem definition is great.
But this is where the new story comes in.
And there's all these young people in particular, every revolution starts with young people, right?
I feel like the Great Reset is really just a lot of older people.
Yeah, you know, saying, Here's how we have to hold on to this, you know, keep it all stitched together.
But there's young people farming in ways that are regenerative.
I've seen people at scale, like, building soil in ways where everything comes back in natural abundance.
So it's not that we're, we can't do this.
People are like, oh, how, without Monsanto, how would we feed the world?
The truth is we can.
There's models out there, but we're not doing it.
And we should be.
tim pool
I think we got a great glimpse of this when the leftists took over the autonomous zone and they had their LARP farm where they were throwing down cardboard.
chris martenson
How'd that work out?
tim pool
It didn't, it didn't work out.
luke rudkowski
But one thing that you were advocating for was for individuals to learn how to farm, how to be sustainable to themselves.
There's many benefits to this and it's something that I've been telling people to do as well and I think it's key and I think it's crucial and I think we're reaching a point where it might be even essential.
chris martenson
Oh, the great reskilling.
I think that's the great movement that's coming.
ian crossland
Graphene is going to change everything.
Are you familiar with it?
chris martenson
Graphene?
Yeah, that could.
ian crossland
They figured out last year how to print graphene from carbon dioxide by depositing it onto copper and palladium with hydrogen turned into oxygen.
So it's going to come to a point where we're harvesting too much carbon dioxide and we're competing with the trees.
And we're going to have to build an industry for the 21st century that works in tandem with the trees so that we don't use too much of it.
tim pool
I just bought these graphene composite batteries.
They have two and a half full cell phone charges, like external batteries.
They charge in 15 minutes.
That's crazy.
ian crossland
Yeah, the 20%, it's the new steel.
It's going to change everything.
I mean, it already has.
We can also use iron fertilization to reintroduce iron oxide into the ocean to grow the plankton so that it'll It has some carbon dioxide sequestering capability, but it's more for creating plankton for the fish to regrow the fish population and it might solve the jellyfish issue.
tim pool
That's all very promising, Ian.
Where does intersectionality and diversity come into these programs?
ian crossland
They get to go to space!
tim pool
Are the people who are developing these iron oxide things, do they have a board that is equally male and female with some non-binary and non-white individuals?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Because The Great Reset incorporates this intersectionality stuff, too, for some reason.
ian crossland
People from all over.
tim pool
That's the other thing.
Look, I can criticize Greta Thunberg for saying, like, how dare you?
And then getting on this, you know, really multi-million dollar trip on the ocean that, like, no one could do in their lifetime.
It's a useful tool to push their agenda.
I can criticize that, but also I'm just curious, what does intersectionality and like wokeness
have to do with fixing the planet?
luke rudkowski
So I think it's a useful tool to push their agenda.
It's a useful tool to subjugate people, to see each other as different, to divide and
conquer them so they could easily conquer us and have us fighting each other rather
than realizing the actual crap that we're in.
ian crossland
It's like they're bored.
Like when you're focused on something, you're not thinking about if you're a man, you don't, that doesn't enter what you're working on.
You're doing something.
That's that thing.
You know, what I am is not there when I'm working on that.
tim pool
Did you see the viral tweet?
ian crossland
So we got to give people something to work on.
tim pool
Do you see the viral tweet that asks all cis people to ask themselves these questions because they'll realize they're actually trans?
luke rudkowski
No joke.
tim pool
And I think James Lindsay, who's one of the foremost experts on wokeness, wrote about it.
They were proposing a fake study where everyone is trans.
But this is what we're actually seeing.
Trans activists saying every child should be put on puberty blockers.
We're seeing trans activists say that everyone is trans and things like that.
And, uh, I mean, you know, if you are, you know, do your thing, that's cool.
I'm just wondering how the intersectionality, wokeness, non-binary stuff, that's incorporated into all this.
How am I supposed to believe that these people are serious about saving the planet when they're talking about stuff that's totally irrelevant to it and flying around in private jets?
That's my problem.
I want to believe.
I want to believe.
I want to get a low-flow toilet.
I want to get a low-flow showerhead.
And it's like trickling down and you can barely shower and you're like, well, I'm doing what I can for the planet.
But then they're, they're getting like, I tell you these rich people, they've got those showers where they have like five jets all around them and it's raining like the whole building.
It's like a thousand square feet of just raining on them.
ian crossland
And they're like, like, you know, apoptosis, that function of nature that where cells will just kill themselves if they're no longer needed.
tim pool
That's real.
That's scary.
chris martenson
That's how mentality works.
tim pool
Let me just say one thing.
If you live in the middle of nowhere and you're in a well, I don't think there's a big deal with taking a long shower, right?
Because it's like, it's just well water.
It's not going to go back into the earth or something, right?
Yeah.
It's like the cities that are straining and taking up too much fresh water.
Is that the problem?
chris martenson
Well, this whole idea.
So they've been pushing things down like there are issues.
You mentioned this, Luke, right?
So it's like, if you could just be a little bit better and buy a smaller car, maybe have a smaller life or just, you know, shower for, you know, on a low flow for just a couple minutes, all that.
That isn't going to do squat.
When you really look at where we are, there's difference.
So a problem has a solution.
And we talk about a lot of things like they're problems, but other things are just predicaments.
And a predicament only is an outcome.
You got to manage that, right?
So Japan has an aging population and is getting smaller.
That's a predicament.
There's no solution to that that you're going to solve by passing a new law.
But what are they doing with their banking system?
They're just printing more and more and more debt because they're like, our economy has to grow.
No, the economy should shrink.
It should shrink just like their people are shrinking.
The economy should be in service of the people, but they have it all backwards.
So in this story, you're mentioning all these things like intersectionality and things like that.
They don't even relate to the predicaments we've been just talking about.
To me, the most important thing is we should have a national and if not a global plan that says, what are we going to do when, not if, but when all these fossil fuels really begin to wind down?
How are we going to feed everybody?
What does the future look like?
What do our cities look like?
Where are people going to live?
What are they going to do?
These are big questions.
tim pool
I mean, people are being forced out of cities because of all the chaos.
One of the things I was saying is that I think one of the, on the bright side is a lot of people are going to start to understand the value of hard work.
You got no choice, but you can't, if you have no job and you need to eat, you got to figure out how you're going to eat.
You move out of the big city, go to the middle of nowhere, build your own little shack and then farm.
luke rudkowski
Now, what you mentioned with Japan is that also actually happening in China.
Because of their one-child policy, they have an inequity between men and women.
And they're also trying to figure out a way to, of course, keep their economic growth by keeping their population large, and they're having a hard time because they don't want to open their borders.
Europe, on the other hand, their populations are declining very rapidly.
And some European economic analysts are saying that we need to open the borders, we need to let the third world in to help give more people so we have more economic growth in our country.
That's literally what they were arguing.
And I think we also have to see exactly what's happening as the populations of Japan decline and the populations of the Western world decline as well.
I think those are also things that are very eye-opening.
chris martenson
No, I'm in this totally wackadoodle camp of people who believe that you can't grow forever on a finite planet.
So this whole idea of economic growth that's marketed to us all the time, we need growth, we need growth, it's always positively phrased, we're gonna have more jobs, we're gonna have more growth, we're gonna sell more houses, we're gonna more, more, more.
And you can work it out.
It's not hard math.
It's like, eventually that stops.
unidentified
Right.
chris martenson
So the question is not, does it?
The question is, how is it going to?
And are we going to do it in a controlled way or in an uncontrolled way?
I think the Great Reset is kind of like a first sort of clumsy stab at, let's see if we can do this in a controlled way, because the uncontrolled way is a hard date with a brick wall.
That's, that's kind of, I don't want to, I would rather not do that myself.
But the question is, what do you do about that?
And the first thing you have to do is people need to be told the truth about this.
And the simple truth is you can't grow forever on a finite planet.
There's a limit and we've hit it.
There's only... We're already at the... Here's the thing.
Right now... Well, hold on, hold on.
tim pool
Virtual reality.
chris martenson
That's actually... You know what?
That could be pretty cool.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
More like we harvest body heat.
chris martenson
Sort of.
Matrix.
tim pool
Here's what I'm saying.
Greta Thunberg said the idea of infinite economic growth is insanity.
And I'm like, I don't know, I kind of play a video game where you spend money for digital nothing.
And that makes the economy move.
So you can have virtual economic growth.
If people start getting really heavy into virtual reality and virtual spaces, you can own things that don't exist in the real world.
You can buy... There are video games where there's property that's worth a ton of money, where there's spaceships worth a ton of money, armor sets, weapons.
The virtual world, I think, will allow for us to have economic growth that doesn't have a negative impact.
ian crossland
Your computer can be mining crypto in the background.
Like right now, you can set your computer to be mining Monero.
So you could do that with your body, too.
tim pool
But that's, but that's, that's still physical world stuff.
I mean, like, what if, if I want to buy something from you, you produce it.
Now we've extracted a resource from the planet.
What if we're in a virtual world and you gain the sword of a thousand suns or whatever?
And I'm like, Ooh, I really want that.
So I buy it with currency and no impact on the real world.
ian crossland
Where would your body, would your body be like in stasis?
tim pool
No, you'd be in your house and you'd sit down and turn on PlayStation VR.
ian crossland
Then you gotta eat, you gotta sleep, you gotta drink water.
tim pool
I'm not saying we stop being alive.
I'm saying that instead of growing our economy in terms of building a new building, we build a virtual building.
We have meetings in VR where we go into certain spaces.
ian crossland
It would diminish the weight of the real world, but you'd still need to eat.
Tim Pool would still need food and resources.
chris martenson
But he wouldn't need a whole six houses on the Caribbean.
ian crossland
You wouldn't need as many things because you'd be satisfied with your digital things.
tim pool
Yes, so we can start building new worlds.
And the other thing, too, is it's not just one world.
You could have a spaceship in one virtual space.
You could have a home in one virtual space.
And we could do a ton of things.
ian crossland
And we're about to colonize Mars.
Like, we're really about to spread out.
tim pool
So, an interesting idea, too.
You're mentioning, like, you know, infinite growth is impossible.
It's like we're yeast, you know what I mean?
It consumes the sugars and farts itself to death until there's nothing left.
And then we eat the bread.
Uh, there was a video I watched explaining the problem of, you know, constant reproduction.
And they said, imagine there's a jar with a bacteria in it.
Every, you know, minute, the bacteria splits.
So a minute goes by, now there's two.
Another minute goes by, now there's four.
Then, you know, eight, etc., etc.
Once they get to the point where they fill half the jar, they say, whoa, we got a problem!
If we don't find a new jar in one minute, we'll run out of space.
So they find a new jar and say we're going to colonize this new jar a minute goes by another full
Not now the full bottle is full and say don't worry the next time we split we'll go to the next bottle
They split again. Now both bottles are full and they say great. Now we need two bottles
Now we need eight bottles 16, etc, etc. So colonizing mars isn't a long-term solution. It's uh,
it's it's Mitigates a lot of the problems, but I do think you know
when I hear stuff like you can't have infinite economic growth
I think digital spaces and virtual worlds are going to be a big
solution to this.
Because if you look at games like World of Warcraft, it used to be that you could have a job where you played the game mining, you know, digital gold and then selling it to people for real currency.
So you have jobs that Just didn't really produce much of anything.
It was a virtual thing that anyone could, like, people who work for Blizzard, the game company, could have just typed some buttons and boop, and the currency appears.
Kind of like what they're doing now, right?
The point is, we can have it so that people are excited about the things they own, not in the real world.
Things that don't have any physical weight to them, that don't have an impact.
chris martenson
And how many people do you think would be satisfied with that world?
tim pool
I think all of them.
So it's really just an issue of culture acceptance, dopamine triggers, and things like that.
I'm sure the great Reset people know this, but like you mentioned, there are a lot of really old people that kind of don't get it.
They're very clumsy about it.
When they say that in 2030 you'll own nothing and you'll be happy, I'm like, well yeah, ignorance is bliss.
If you take away the idea of freedom from people, they won't miss it because they'll never have known it existed.
I think that's horrifying.
But if people get enjoyment out of playing video games, where they can have rank, skill, be a warrior with special weapons that are unique to them that they earned, they'll be happy by it.
luke rudkowski
That could be a possible dystopian future.
But also why big companies like Facebook and Google have been investing an exorbitant amount of money specifically in the VR space.
I think that's also interesting.
You lay out a possibility that could go either way, but you're not that far off as a possibility to what could actually be happening here because I could see it.
We already have individuals that are glued to their video games to a point where they are literally wearing diapers.
tim pool
Why is that dystopian?
Well, it depends who controls it.
luke rudkowski
If Google and Facebook control it, which they're getting market share of the development of the implementation when they're getting first to market, then I think there's reasons to concern when someone like Facebook controls it all.
But if it's done independently, decentralized in a way that is, you know, done in a fair, competitive way, then I think it is possible.
But when you look at the space and how it's controlled right now, I think it's more headed towards a dystopian one.
ian crossland
Yeah, this is Microsoft patent W-0-2-0-2-0-0-6-0-6-0-6 cryptocurrency system using body activity data, where Microsoft wants to put something inside of you and track your body's What you're looking at, and it'll see if you're looking at a commercial, it'll register that that's the commercial you're watching, and it'll pay you crypto just for experiencing it.
tim pool
So you could do that in VR.
ian crossland
That's Microsoft.
tim pool
That's freaky, but let me ask.
What if, in the future, people live humble lives, they have small houses where they work, they're self-sustaining, and then they have this virtual reality system where they can go into all these crazy worlds?
unidentified
I love it.
ian crossland
All right.
tim pool
Is it dystopian?
ian crossland
No, I do it every day.
I was on the computer for 12 hours today.
I stay on the computer.
I'm in the virtual realm as much as I can be.
Sometimes I wish I could have five days in one day so I could experience more virtual.
tim pool
Are you going to take Neuralink?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
You would take Neuralink?
ian crossland
Yeah, but I'm not going to be first in line.
tim pool
So I also imagine what if... No, I'll wait until like 12 years.
I'll wait until... Listen, what if Neuralink created the ability for you to actually plug into an entirely different world?
ian crossland
Just totally fictional... I'll make sure that world's safe.
tim pool
No, no, but it's like, it's your world, it's a game world.
Where you're not in the real world anymore, and it's a video game, and you can have your, you can be satisfied by the open world.
You know what I mean?
You can go to, you can be in Star Trek, you can travel through space, but you're in internal universes.
chris martenson
You know, something I've seen a lot, um, cause I have a lot of people coming to work on my little farm and certain people of the younger guys, they don't know how to use their hands anymore.
Um, and I'm sure every generation says this kids these days, right?
But no, there's something really missing from the screen generation and it's problem solving, spatial abilities, all this.
So I hear what you're saying, Tim, there's this chance that, you know, we could satisfy the endless human wanting with this in virtual, in a virtual way, which does attack some of the resource issuing, but.
Where I'm going with this is I think it's time to admit that, you know, we need to be in relationship again with each other in an important way and with ourselves and with our tactical abilities because there's a, there's a way we learn that requires us to actually manipulate and use things.
So I think a lot of people think they're just going to, you know, I have the worst conversation I have is people like, well, Chris, if things ever get that bad, I'll just go out and hunt.
And I'm like, you should come with me sometime.
Cause you won't survive.
tim pool
Here's what I imagine.
chris martenson
It's harder than you think.
tim pool
Here's what I imagine when you say that.
You have like this young guy on your farm and he's like, you know, after a few minutes he goes, my hands, why do they hurt?
And you go, because you've never used them.
ian crossland
My friend said hanging from tree branches improves your, I think he said it was improves your balance.
He'll like spend a time every day hanging from a tree branch.
chris martenson
It's a monkey, a monkey thing.
ian crossland
Yeah, apparently it's really good for the human body.
tim pool
Well, Luke just got his weird, you know, whatever.
luke rudkowski
Power cage.
unidentified
Power cage.
luke rudkowski
Lifting power cage.
We're still waiting for the weights.
tim pool
One weight came.
unidentified
Just one.
luke rudkowski
I can't really do much with that.
I did some pull-ups today.
Did some running today.
You know, it feels good.
I love it.
People need to work out more and be incentivized to work out more and take care of themselves.
Because sadly, a lot of people are in a really bad place where They're incentivizing some of the worst behaviors because the corporations are just giving it to them on a silver platter.
The laziness is incentivized.
ian crossland
It's why I like augmented reality as opposed to virtual reality because you can actually go outside and be in the dirt and be farming and see bonus points.
Every time you weed a garden, you get credits.
chris martenson
That's a good one.
I like that one.
luke rudkowski
But you do what you've got microbiome by actually farming and doing that.
You do get physical medical benefits by doing that.
tim pool
Let's take Pokemon Go and make it so that in order to catch the Pokemon, you gotta plant a tree.
chris martenson
That's sort of like Pokemon Go meets SimCity meets FarmVille.
tim pool
Imagine this!
No, no, actually, I'm kidding.
So we have, you know, Pokemon Go where they've actually used, like, Google Maps data to create gyms and stuff.
What if they actually mapped out areas that were in need of cleaning?
You know, there's garbage.
And then part of the game was like, you earned points.
ian crossland
You could pay crypto, literally, a utility token.
tim pool
But it's not even about paying someone so that they can have money.
It's about incentivizing the game.
ian crossland
Yeah, it could be game tokens.
tim pool
What does someone earn by catching a Pikachu in Pokemon Go?
Exactly.
They get to accomplish something that makes them feel good.
ian crossland
And you could interact with your friends that are also playing the game.
Like, if you see them weeding the garden and you help them, you know, do it together, you could get bonus points working together.
chris martenson
Yeah, Reddit karma.
What's it worth?
Nothing.
tim pool
But people want it.
unidentified
They want bad points.
tim pool
Alright, we gotta read Super Chats, everybody.
Let's do Super Chats.
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But now we're gonna read what you guys have to say, and we'll start.
Let's see.
Friendly Neighborhood Sawyer says, Hey Tim, consider doing a segment with former co-workers and other witnesses to recount their version of the UFO sighting you mentioned in a, uh, recent, uh, recently, uh, in a segment.
But that was, I mean, that was 2006.
It's, uh, been a long time since then, so I don't know where those people are.
It was a UFO story.
Duncan Massive says, Thoughts on Lauren Southern's new film?
I haven't seen it.
Have you guys seen it?
Nope.
unidentified
What's it called?
tim pool
Crossfire?
I haven't seen it.
Nope.
First he says, bring Adam on for the end of the year.
You start with him, finish with him.
Uh, we'll see how things go.
unidentified
Hell yeah.
tim pool
New Year's Eve tomorrow, man!
We're gonna figure out what we're doing.
Luke, Luke wants to do like a crazy...
luke rudkowski
I said, let's go to the shooting range where we could use the flamethrower and have a crazy bash and then bring it back to the old days where we do the live stream, we do the show through the cell phone.
tim pool
In a place where you can use a flamethrower, you're not going to get cell signal.
unidentified
Maybe.
luke rudkowski
We'll see.
tim pool
We can go early in the day and see what happens.
luke rudkowski
We're going to do some research tomorrow and I think that'll be really cool.
You know, interestingly... Have a freedom send off to 2020.
tim pool
You can get a satellite for your RV that gets streamable internet.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, you're not going to get it by tomorrow, but you know.
unidentified
Maybe.
luke rudkowski
We'll see.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Astronaut Kitty says, Tim, does your beanie get stinky?
Yes, but I actually have a ton of them, and they get washed.
But I have a whole bunch.
People don't realize this.
luke rudkowski
You got three for Christmas.
tim pool
Luke got me a cupcake beanie.
luke rudkowski
Cupcake beanie and a light-up beanie with LED lights inside of them.
ian crossland
You got one?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, yeah.
That was my Christmas gift for Tim.
tim pool
We have a shirt coming soon that says, I am a gorilla.
I'm excited for that.
unidentified
It's just because people keep- I want to get one of those Harumph shirts.
tim pool
Harumph.
ian crossland
Yeah, I want to wear it on the show.
unidentified
Harumph!
ian crossland
It's like Tim going harumph with the chronicle.
tim pool
Yeah, well, you know, things are gonna get crazier and crazier.
the definition of insanity. Masks and lockdowns didn't work.
Newsom says more lockdowns. Yeah, well, you know, things are gonna get crazier and crazier.
What is one says? Roadrunner 76b says, I bet Kevin James's channel has better audio than than us.
Yeah, probably.
He's rich and he's got great production.
ian crossland
It'd be cool to have a tech guru come in here and just do a once-over on the show.
Like a lighting thing, especially.
tim pool
We did.
It's just that the issue is, some people talk like this, you know, so... And you're like, we gotta crank their volume up, and then...
Some people talk like this!
And you're like, whoa, we got to turn the volume down and you just got to change the volume and stuff.
So then, then it gets out of sync and we're constantly trying to fix it.
And sometimes people will talk really quiet, but then later in the show start ramping up and then getting louder and louder and louder.
And then you can see it in like the audio, like the file when we're at, when we're editing, it's like, you can see the audio slowly getting bigger and then it was like, yeah, it's funny.
It's like, all right, that's where the yelling is.
JGMizz says, Saw Chris.
I was like, I need to watch this live.
Was researching COVID in November.
Got serious on January 13th.
I basically scared myself so dropped into mental in April.
I found CM.
I have watched him every day.
I love both you guys.
Cool.
chris martenson
Thanks.
tim pool
Ben Walker says, spamming the chat because I think this is important.
MedCram, Dr. Seholt, vitamin D. I'm not a rich man, but I think that's important.
Vitamin D toxicity is incredibly rare.
Obese people need more vitamin D. Melanin makes vitamin D from sun harder to absorb.
Is that true?
unidentified
True.
ian crossland
I've heard that different people from different cultures need more and less amounts of vitamin D. Like someone from Africa, where they're used to getting a lot of sunlight, their body tends to be, they require more.
Is that what it is?
More vitamin D?
chris martenson
Well, they need more sun because they make less vitamin D per unit of skin per sunlight.
luke rudkowski
And blacks have been affected by COVID a lot more than other demographics out there, which is also important to point out.
tim pool
JMaxx says, the crazy thing about COVID is just how varied it is with its symptoms, and people will use the exceptions and extremes when it's beneficial to the narrative they want to push.
My wife had it and suffered mild symptoms.
Me and the kids were 100% fine.
And then you have, you know, some people who get like, you know, blisters or whatever, or now the New York Times is saying some people get psychotic.
luke rudkowski
Blue toes.
We heard blue toes.
I mean, when we look at the media, we see a wide range of symptoms, a wide range of just information, and it's hard to know what's true sometimes, but we literally went from blue toes to psychosis.
Yep.
That's a lot.
chris martenson
Yeah, it does attack a lot of things.
It does.
tim pool
Dakota Johnson says, respect and appreciate everyone's perspective.
Quote, we the people need the ability to have a congressional recall upon desire and better control over where and how our taxes are spent, both by the state and federally.
I agree with that.
Is there like a way to file a redress of grievances?
ian crossland
I did a prototype for an app where we could repurpose our taxes collectively.
It's on my YouTube channel.
It's the last video I did yesterday.
unidentified
Very cool.
chris martenson
That would be cool if we could vote on, you know, tax appropriation.
People could all vote.
Where do you want to go?
So if you want to go to Transgender Studies in Pakistan, that's fine.
Let the votes sort of count that and see what happens with it.
But I wouldn't have portioned it up this way.
I think everybody who voted for that 5,563 page bill should be summarily fired.
luke rudkowski
Yes.
ian crossland
If you don't write a bill, you should be perjured or something.
tim pool
Well, well, hold on.
Somebody slipped in that the Pentagon has to reveal everything they know about UFOs in 180 days.
So, they didn't read it.
It's in there!
chris martenson
We're good to go!
tim pool
But here's the best part.
It wasn't even in the bill.
The provision for revealing UFO stuff was attached to another bill that was attached to the omnibus.
So, in the omnibus, it's like, here's the Intelligence Authorization Act.
And then they said, you can see what we're funding somewhere else.
So, even if you read it, you wouldn't see.
ian crossland
Oh, that's insidious.
tim pool
I know.
But, but, but, yes, but...
This time it's going to get us UFOs.
So, that one's okay.
unidentified
You know what I mean?
tim pool
That's the one thing I'm actually okay with.
Like, well, we did get that, right?
Is it worth the trillions of dollars being printed so we can finally... No, I'll tell you what's going to happen.
In a couple months, they're going to come out and say, here's everything I know about UFOs.
And it's going to be like, there are things in the sky.
We don't know what they are.
ian crossland
And they're going to be like, we need to print another trillion dollars.
unidentified
What if?
luke rudkowski
We don't know nothing.
ian crossland
How many trillions do you guys think they're going to print in 2021?
tim pool
Oh, man.
ian crossland
17?
Or am I overshooting?
chris martenson
It's a big number.
unidentified
9?
ian crossland
30 trillion?
tim pool
If we look at the number, the graph right now, they did, how much trillion did they do this year?
It was like, they created, I think it was what, four?
Three or four trillion?
chris martenson
Yeah, they went four this year.
But that was just base money, and then the banking system amplified that a bunch by doing what it does.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, so it's actually substantially more than that, huh?
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
chris martenson
And that's just the U.S.
Federal Reserve.
You can't look at anyone in isolation.
You have to look at all of them.
So I look at the Bank of England, the ECB, the Peekaboo Bank of China.
You put them all in one spot, Bank of Japan.
It's a massive number this year.
tim pool
Yeah, it's just going to exponentially increase until, you know, $10 gets you, uh, you know, just like a pint of milk instead of a gallon.
And that's going to be 50 bucks a gallon.
And you're going to be struggling to, you know, get what you want.
ian crossland
Should I buy Bitcoin?
That's what they'll be thinking when it's 50 bucks a gallon.
tim pool
Oh, we got one for you, Ian.
Justin Bookman says, I love it.
After many episodes trying to argue about the banks, Ian gets his moment and Tim can't do anything about it.
Loving the conversation.
ian crossland
It's because Chris is on the show, dude.
Thanks to Luke, bringing Chris on the show.
tim pool
Loving the conversation while I wait to get loaded.
By the way, Luke recommended a pistol.
You guys are awesome, and Ian, gorilla chest thump.
I'm a gorilla.
ian crossland
That's what I'm talking about!
tim pool
I can't wait till we get these shirts that say, I'm a gorilla.
It's like a gorilla, like, grrr, I'm a gorilla.
Yeah.
Alright, let's see what we got here.
DBZDragon says, this reminds me of the premise of the movie Elysium.
Yeah, all the rich people went in a space station.
You know what I loved about the movie?
The people in the space station spoke French, and the people on Earth spoke Spanish.
Like, what is that supposed to be?
Like, the snooty elite speak French, and the poor people speak Spanish?
Like, what's that all about?
It's like France just, like, super rich or something?
Their debt to GDP is nuts.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's like 230%.
tim pool
They're borrowing like crazy.
Turkey Face says, Thank you, Chris, for your early and continual COVID coverage.
You've helped a lot of people with your info.
Keep up the great work, and don't let big tech silence you.
chris martenson
Thanks.
tim pool
I won't.
Ethan Johansen says, Solution to climate change is having us farmers plant more plants, and letting plants change the soil instead of plowing it.
Keep CO2 in the ground, too.
Feed our cows more grass, too.
I like putting a roof over my cows' heads, too, though.
You know I went to a bunch of farms in California during the drought and there was like one farm I went to and the cows were doing their thing but there was no there was no gate like it was just open and so I was talking to the farmer and I was like there's no like enclosure and he was like okay and I was like but like the cows will leave and he goes yeah and I was like so don't the cows leave he goes yeah sometimes Wait, hold on.
You have cows.
You're dairy cows.
They just leave.
And he goes, uh-huh.
And then what?
Then they come back.
And I was like, really?
You're not worried?
He's like, no, I got food.
I was like, oh.
But I was told all the time that cows hate it, it's miserable, it's awful.
And he was like, no, they like it here.
I was like, oh, okay.
I guess they're really bad factory farms, though, if you drive down, like, uh, I think, like, uh, what was it, Route 88?
luke rudkowski
In California?
tim pool
No, through Texas, when you're, like, driving south.
luke rudkowski
I'm not sure.
tim pool
You can see a bunch of really nasty mud pits and, like... Oh, yeah.
chris martenson
But he's right about the cows.
So I got cows this year.
Decided we're gonna get cows.
That's how you learn about cows.
That's how you learn about anything.
You get them.
So we get these cows.
Two of them went in the freezer, but we have these two belted Galloways.
We had this big snowstorm and I'm all proud because I just built a pole barn for them.
I used my own sawmill, trees from the whole thing.
It was like this whole, like, you know, little house in the prairie, but with a modern sawmill, right?
So a great moment.
So the first morning of that snowstorm, I stumped down to the, to the barn.
Cause I'm like, I'm going to watch them enjoying this enclosure I built for them.
And I get down there and they're not in it.
They're out in the middle of the field, just lying down with 17 inches of snow over both of them.
They look dead.
So I stump out there and they're both happy as can be just lying there.
So that was, that was the cow choice.
They, they choose what they want to do.
Right?
luke rudkowski
Our survival civilization should have Chris on.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I just thought it was crazy that, like, the guy basically said, the cows will leave sometimes.
And I'm like, you don't care?
He's like, nah, they come back.
Like, they want to eat, you know?
So they'll go do their thing.
They don't want to go and they're happy.
I was like, wow, that's crazy.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, it's kind of cool.
Because I hear a lot of horror stories, you know?
Let's see.
Dressiel says, Tim, I work at Walmart.
Pay is a lot better.
I make $18 an hour.
Even the door hosts, produce, and auto associates make base $15 an hour.
It's gotten a lot better and would be good to point that out.
Well then, uh, you know, I can respect that.
It's probably true.
I take your word for it.
I've certainly heard that people have said Walmart's tried to improve their image on that.
And it's also true that you go to Walmart during like peak hours and they have like 20 registers, but only two are open.
Probably because they're paying people better.
But they got a lot of self-checkouts now, so that's probably another reason why people are getting paid more.
Which probably means a lot of people lost their jobs.
Yeah, well, there you go.
ian crossland
My Google thing just came on.
It thought that someone was talking to it.
That's so freaky.
tim pool
It happens to my phone all the time on this show.
Oh, that's disgusting.
And then I see it recording everything I'm saying and the words are popping up.
I'm like, okay, that's not okay.
luke rudkowski
That's why you turn that feature off.
unidentified
Yes, you can't turn it off.
tim pool
Alright, see, Ethan Johansson says, first of all, you'd have to eat 50,000 bushels of corn in order for Roundup to hurt you.
However, us farmers hate Monsanto too.
Cover crops.
Cover crops will help get away from them.
Look up Gabe Brown and Ray Archuleta for more info on regenerative agriculture.
Cool.
chris martenson
Gabe Brown is one of the people I'm thinking of.
At scale, this guy operates 3,000 acres, 1,000 head of cattle or something, and he's building soil.
He's doing a beautiful job.
No inputs, no chemicals.
It's amazing.
Cover crops, it's just beautiful.
ian crossland
With no pesticide, herbicide, fungicide?
chris martenson
Nobody's not doing any of that.
tim pool
So, uh, Unlex Ghost says, check your account.
$600 should be in there tonight.
Also, Maricopa is having its rally be at Washington DC, January 4th through the 6th.
You know, we saw this story that Dallas apparently like grounded a bunch of
flights cause it was like a COVID breakout or something.
I wonder if there's going to be some unfortunate transportation errors and
mishaps just before the 6th.
Cause I feel like people are going to show up when, you know, if, if you've got people who aren't super political breaking in the doors of a supermarket, cause they want to shop.
What do you think Trump supporters are going to be doing?
You're like, I'm seeing people posting.
They're going to fly across the country, then to drive across the country.
We'll see how it plays out, I suppose.
Emperor Geiseric says, Tim Foyle hat time.
Trump could not be trusted to get on board with the Great Reset, so they did everything possible to make sure he's out of the way.
These religious true believers will do anything to, quote, save the world.
Perhaps, perhaps.
Let's see.
Okay, I read that one.
Cindy Smith says, uh, Gavin Newsom companies, plump Jack Coe's, got more than $3 million of PPP funds.
One winery got a million dollars with 14 employees.
12-8-20 ABC News story, then goes to fancy dinner parties.
Yeah, CA is angry.
And that's the problem, man.
I want to believe that we're all fighting the good fight in this together.
They're not in it with us.
There's this really funny comic where it's a four panel comic and there's like a woman and she's like, you know, I'm at my infinity pool in my private condo, social distancing.
Then one guy's like, I'm on my yacht.
And then there's a woman like sitting in her like filth in like her crummy apartment with a can of beans on the ground.
She's like, they're just like me.
unidentified
Yeah, just like you.
tim pool
Brad's Organic and Clean Energy says, I'm an HVAC technician and organic farmer.
Sustainable farming is one of the most vital building blocks of a peaceful future I can see.
Hungry rats and squirrels losing it in New York City.
I emailed you guys about collaboration.
Dude, there's gangs of rats running through the streets of New York because there's no food anymore.
They're becoming aggressive and angry.
Could you imagine, like, you get bit by a rat?
Gotta go to the doctor, get that rabies shot, you know?
unidentified
Or a squirrel jumps on you and tries eating you, like, just desperate to just That's okay, you'll just be sent home with COVID.
tim pool
Yep, yep.
It's like, I got bit by a squirrel.
So you're saying COVID.
No, it's squirrel.
The squirrel's actually still latched to my back.
ian crossland
Yeah, COVID it is.
tim pool
All right, go home and then call animal control.
Yep.
Joe Rob says, could you use Neuralink with your pets?
Hmm.
ian crossland
Yeah, they use them on PIGS.
They were testing them on PIGS.
tim pool
But so far, it's like Neuralink actually transports you to a virtual reality world, you know?
ian crossland
It's read-only right now.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Getting to that right part would be very, you know, that's where things get crazy.
ian crossland
Oh my god.
tim pool
JesusSavesButDoesntTrustBanks says, Tim, I don't know if you saw my Super Chat yesterday, I wanted to know your thoughts on Objectivism.
After replaying Bioshock, I want to know if you think it can be implemented and work in today's world as a solution.
I don't know enough about objectivism other than objectivists think libertarians stole their ideas.
ian crossland
What is objectivism?
tim pool
Like Ayn Rand.
What is that?
They believe that all of the wealthiest people should get in a private plane and fly to West Virginia to create their own- I'm kidding.
I don't know.
It's like, I don't know enough about it and I don't want to, you know, get it wrong.
But the general, I think, it aligns similarly in some ways with anarcho-capitalism and libertarianism.
But I do think there are distinctions.
Are you familiar with it at all?
luke rudkowski
Not much, no.
tim pool
Because I talked to an objectivist who said libertarians stole our ideas, and I'm like, okay, I don't know, what does that mean?
Does it mean you're a libertarian?
unidentified
No!
tim pool
We were the originals!
ian crossland
I'm like, okay, okay, whatever.
Oh, here, objectivism is philosophicalism developed by Ayn Rand.
luke rudkowski
Well, libertarian ideas are great.
Libertarian candidates are horrible and they make everything look bad.
I understand.
I want to be associated with them.
chris martenson
If they could just dress better, that would be a great start.
tim pool
Didn't some dude like take his pants off?
luke rudkowski
I was there in person as that was happening.
I was filming there.
I just like flabbergasted.
I don't know.
unidentified
He just... I mean, it's the Libertarian Convention and... They were, like, arguing, debating whether you can sell heroin to kids.
Yes.
tim pool
Like, conservatives were laughing about it, like, no!
luke rudkowski
And very other adult topics that we can't get into on this family-friendly show, but it was... And then the pants came off.
Yes.
Yeah, at least it was entertaining, but there was a literal gasp in the room.
There was like...
tim pool
Was it like an argument?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Of like, you're not a real libertarian, you're not, oh yeah, and then he rips his pants off?
luke rudkowski
No, they were given some time to speak, the guy came on stage and he just started stripping.
And everyone was really, I mean some people laughed, but a lot of people were disappointed.
tim pool
But he proved you were all fake libertarians.
unidentified
Because if you really believed in freedom, you couldn't stop him from getting naked!
tim pool
So what's objectivism?
ian crossland
Ayn Rand described it as the concept of man as a heroic being with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute.
chris martenson
Oh, interesting.
ian crossland
It's very vague.
It's kind of like a horoscope.
tim pool
Yeah, I think the idea, like, some people believe... Well, I'll put it this way.
I don't trust a centralized group of, you know, Davos group type people to know how to solve the problems of the world.
I think a decentralized system would probably solve it much quicker and more efficiently, and that tends to be the case.
It's like a billion minds focusing on a problem are gonna come up with a variety of solutions and a better solution than one mind trying to figure it out.
Now, you can argue that one supercomputer can be equal to a thousand regular computers, but one person is just one brain compared to a billion brains.
Now, I'm not sure that humans are greedy enough to get the problem done before we get Great Filtered out of existence, so it's a serious conundrum.
The problem is, who do you trust to put the boot down and force people to take action?
I don't trust these people because Gavin Newsom gets a bunch of money and then goes and parties.
Barack Obama's buying B-Trent property.
I don't believe these people.
I think they're lying to us.
I think we all think they're lying to us.
Alright, let's see what we got here.
Sam Meehan says, Tim, you should look up a film, 2047, Virtual Revolution.
It explores a lot of what you've talked about today.
Cool.
Sounds like a Black Mirror episode, too.
But, like, imagine if you had the ability, like, imagine that the Matrix was real, right?
But you weren't a prisoner enslaved in the Matrix.
You were free to leave, it's just the world was boring because nobody was really doing anything, and it was, like, not a whole lot to do.
But in the virtual world, you have 50 different realities where you've got various characters.
You can go to the one world where you can fly and throw fireballs, and one world where you're the president.
You'd have a lot of fun.
ian crossland
Have you guys ever smoked salvia divinorum?
Because I will tell you, The Matrix is real.
We are in it right now.
tim pool
I once worked for a venue where a dude smoked salvia and it just dropped to the floor and just started staring at the wall.
ian crossland
That's what happens.
tim pool
They ran in and they couldn't bring him back out of it.
ian crossland
I smoked it and I saw the grid.
And it was twisting.
And I felt like I was twisting, but I just saw this.
tim pool
I could see the matrix.
chris martenson
You ever do DMT?
tim pool
That's crazy.
chris martenson
One of my favorite videos ever is gardening on Salvia.
luke rudkowski
I have not seen that.
What happens?
chris martenson
A guy, he comes out and he starts to explain.
He's got a trowel.
He's got a plant.
He's got some fertilizer.
He starts explaining.
He says, but first I'm going to take a hit.
smokes up some salvia and he gets about halfway through a shovel full and then he starts crawling around then he just lays down for a while and uh that's how the whole video goes it's good that's the uh they call it the diviner sage that's what salvia salvia means sage divinorum is the diviners that's what the natives called it right on all right let's read a couple more of these here super chats again if you haven't already smash that like button all right let's see what you got here Mafu says, Tim, can you make some React to Super Chat videos?
tim pool
I think you can make some more moolah.
Love you, buddy, and I'll be looking for you Wednesday.
Yeah, perhaps.
We have the proprietary website coming soon, and we're gonna have vlog content and members-only content.
We're gonna have bonus segments.
So, you know, we typically try to keep the show, it's supposed to be 8 to 10, but we always go over, like we're going over now.
But, you know, I'll do my best.
But then we wanna do, like, you know, we're gonna wrap up the show, and then we'll record for another 10 minutes the uncensored.
All the things that we can't say, that we're gonna say, it'll be on the website, which is coming soon, which is gonna be really, really great.
And then, of course, yeah, we'll have more interaction with those who have questions, and the idea is that we want to have like a commenting system, kind of like a Discord, but not Discord, where you can, as a member, comment on videos and ask questions, and we'll all be, you know, engaging and, you know.
I think that's the best path to creating something sustainable.
It allows us to make sure that if there are things we think we need to talk about, names we need to say, and stories that need to be brought up, we'll always have a place to do it.
There hasn't really been anything I think that...
There are a few stories we can't do, because YouTube will take the video down, the stream, the live stream down, and it's almost like, well, what's the point?
Just to, like, claim we tried?
If it gets taken down, then we're not saying anything to anybody.
That's why we need this website up soon, and that's what we're gonna do, so it's gonna be really great, and we're gonna do a bunch more stuff, too, a lot of stuff in the work.
I will say, too, in reference to Scanner as well, a lot of people were asking questions about, like, what's going on with Scanner, you know, Rocco and Emily are doing their thing, and I just wanna point out, I hope everybody realizes, COVID, like, really disrupted everything.
I mean, I was trying to buy a building, set up an office, and hire people, and do all this stuff in 2019, and then once we got into winter, and we were trying to figure out, you know, how we were going to set up the new studio, and a lot of stuff happened.
We were moving.
Once COVID came in, everything was just frozen, and it made everything really, really difficult.
So I'll just say that, you know.
But yeah, we're definitely going to be expanding, doing a lot of great work, so definitely stick around.
Thanks for hanging out.
Let me just read a couple more of these Super Chats.
gets.
Silently in Atlanta says, Lydia might like this guest.
Mike Rowe.
Ask Mike about the farm episodes and the Poo Pot maker.
Fun alien perspective is end of Battlestar Galactica.
I love that show.
Yes.
Mike Rowe, I'd love to have you on the show.
Mike's amazing.
luke rudkowski
I interviewed him before.
I might be able to find some kind of contact information.
tim pool
Hit him up!
And right now he's on this big campaign that's called Safety Third and he talks about how we as a society are failing because we have too much of an emphasis on being safe and being always 100% okay and in reality you have to let go of that if you want to progress And what he's doing right now his campaign is something truly something to look forward to and to promote I think I'm pretty sure I broke my left wrist skating maybe like a week and a half ago and Then I was skating a few days ago and I tried to do I was just I was just warming up I was doing a switch flip
But this sometimes happens where my front foot landed on the nose of the board and my back foot hit the ground, which caused the board to spring straight up like a hammer and whack my thumb so hard it was throbbing.
It was brutal pain.
Now there's like blood all over the nail.
Look.
You gotta pay your dues, man.
That's what we call it.
I'll be skating with Adam, and Adam will fall down and bust his ass.
And we left.
You gotta pay your dues.
luke rudkowski
I took the leaf blower, and I got on the skateboard, and I saw what it could do.
We have flamethrowers for a reason.
We gotta play with them, alright?
We gotta figure out how far things go boom.
tim pool
What I'm saying is, you wanna skate?
You're gonna get hurt.
When I see little kids on the halfpipe and they're scared to drop in, I'm like, you're gonna fall.
And they go, what?
I'm like, you're gonna fall.
Accept it as a fact, and then get on with it.
The longer you stay up there scared and don't do anything, you're never gonna do it.
The first time I tried to drop in on a quarter pipe, I fell down, and I got hurt, and I laughed, and I ran back up, and then I did it.
You have to accept that you're gonna get hurt, you're gonna get scrapes, you're gonna get bruises, and sometimes the accidents are really, really bad, and not everybody makes it.
Sometimes you're driving down the road, trying to be all safe, boom, hit by a car.
ian crossland
Did you see something?
tim pool
Sometimes you're staying home because you're too scared to go anywhere, you slip in your bathroom, boom, hit your head in the sink, now you're dead.
ian crossland
That Tom Segura, you know Tom Segura, one of Rogan's best friends, he was playing basketball, man, and fell down and shattered his arm.
His bone is completely broken apart.
His knee got shattered.
I'm nervous about snowboarding after that.
unidentified
I want to just think for the rest of my life.
tim pool
We went outside when it snowed here, and I put on the snowboard.
And front flipped, not on purpose.
And then I just started, it hurt.
I had like scrapes all up my arm.
And I was like, I did a front flip today.
I was like, oh really?
Not on purpose, but you know, it was fun.
I was snowboarding down and I'm not a snowboarder.
I can snowboard, but I just leaned forward and it was all deep, fresh powder.
And I got caught and just front flipped.
And it was awesome.
And I landed, but then I fell backwards because I didn't really land.
And then my wrist is already kind of broken because I fell on it.
And I was like, Ow, my wrist!
It's funny.
And I'm just gonna keep getting injured.
I've messed my ankles up so bad, my legs are covered in scars.
Pay your dues!
I can walk, I'm fine.
ian crossland
You think there's just people that like rough housing and people that don't?
unidentified
Of course.
ian crossland
Like, some kids would always want to play basketball and they'd be throwing elbows into each other's faces and like, ha ha ha, and I'm like, God, it hurts so bad.
I don't want to elbow someone and I don't want to get elbowed.
tim pool
Skateboarding always hurts.
Because falling is a part of skateboarding.
You just keep doing it, you get better at it, you get really consistent.
But, you know, you'll fall, you whack your shin, and then you go, oh man, getting, like you'll do a tray flip and the board will hit your shin.
It just happens.
Sometimes it happens.
I mean, you get good enough, eventually it stops happening, but you're always trying to do better.
So maybe you'll learn how to do a 360 flip, that's where the board spins 360 and flips, and you can land it every time.
Well, now you're trying to do a 360 flip crook and you still whack your shin because you're always trying something new.
Anyway, with that being said, You gotta push your edges, though.
chris martenson
You have to do it.
If you ain't flying, you ain't trying.
tim pool
Exactly.
chris martenson
You gotta give it a go.
tim pool
There's always risks.
We're not immortals.
chris martenson
We're friends.
If there's no danger, it's not actually an adventure.
There has to be real danger.
luke rudkowski
If you don't make any mistakes, you won't have any stories to share.
chris martenson
But what I could do as a kid was amazing.
So most of what I was doing as a kid was a felony now, right?
We were mixing things up and putting them in pipes and having fun, right?
We did stuff like that, right?
tim pool
Can't do that, nuh-uh.
chris martenson
You can't do that anymore.
ian crossland
Unless you're making YouTube tutorials.
tim pool
I'll tell you what else.
When I was like 7 years old, I'd leave the house and my mom would be like, come back when the lights come on.
chris martenson
And that was it.
tim pool
I'm gone.
And I'd, like, go around and travel just, like, all throughout the neighborhood and, like, try and see, like, how far could I go before I got scared and then went back home.
I was, like, a little kid.
Now it's, like, if a little, if a seven-year-old, there was one story where a kid was playing in front of the house and someone called the cops.
luke rudkowski
Yep.
tim pool
And the cops were, like, why is this kid alone?
And the mom was, like, he's in front of the house.
luke rudkowski
Or a kid walked home from school, had CPS called on him.
tim pool
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
And, you know, most kids don't walk past the five-block radius in a big city.
tim pool
These kids are going to be emotionally and developmentally disabled.
luke rudkowski
They already are!
Safety first.
ian crossland
Safety first.
chris martenson
Safety third.
I think it's a tragedy, I really do.
How do you ever find your edges?
Particularly for me, my pack of boys that I ran with, we were pushing our edges all the time and everything was unsafe that we did.
We just goaded each other to do increasingly unsafe things.
luke rudkowski
Sometimes you just gotta go to Venezuela, or Somalia, or Epstein's Island, whatever it may be!
unidentified
Isn't that crazy?
tim pool
It's the craziest thing, because like, you know, I was talking to my dad, he's a firefighter, and I said something to the effect of like, you know, it's kind of, you know, it's brave of firefighters, they rush into these buildings, they know they could die, and he goes, no they don't!
If a firefighter thinks they're going to die, they won't go in the building.
chris martenson
They don't do that.
tim pool
They think they're going to be safe because they know how to be safe.
And when they get word that the building's coming down or the fire's out of control, they think they're going to die.
They'll leave.
And I'm like, that's a good point.
So when I, uh, Luke and I have both been to some of the craziest places in the world.
And I always get asked this question, like, you know, after coming back from some crazy place, like, wow, aren't you scared?
Like you could, you could die or whatever.
I'm like, dude, if I thought I was going to die, I wouldn't go there.
I'm going there because I know how to take care of myself.
Bro, Thailand was the craziest.
chris martenson
Why is that?
tim pool
Because they were actively shooting at each other.
I stood in one of these vehicles where they would parade around in this big truck.
A bunch of people would stand in the back and they would all wave and cheer and they were vehicles.
One of these trucks, someone pulled up with a motorcycle and threw a grenade right into it.
Boom!
Bloodstains all over the bottom of it.
And so I actually rode in that after that happened and the bloodstains are on the ground.
And I'm wearing like this crappy fake armor because it was the best you could get because it's kind of, you can't, like armor is considered a weapon of war or whatever.
chris martenson
Black jacket.
tim pool
Well, so what they were doing was they were taking sheets of x-ray film and stacking them and then putting them in sheets to use as plates because they considered armor to be like a war material or something in Thailand.
So here I am in this truck, there's blood stained at my feet and it was a discount vehicle.
That's why they bought it.
They were like, because of the blood, nobody gets to do it.
So they bought it and we're driving through the scene.
I'm like, this is crazy.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
And they were just like, just keep in mind if you see the motorcycles try and pull up,
that's when you like jump out, get down, the shooting starts. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah. I watched them pull down like, and just topple scaffolding. And I'm like, dude, if I
thought I was going to be put at risk by going there, I wouldn't go there. What's the point?
Exactly.
You can't do your job.
luke rudkowski
There's a reason I hired 10 mercenaries to follow me around in Somalia.
Yeah Otherwise, you don't go alone, by yourself, without guys with AK-47s.
That's just the truth.
tim pool
I mean, but sometimes going in stealth is safer, too.
luke rudkowski
Not in Somalia, if you're my complexion.
tim pool
Alright, everybody.
We've sufficiently explained risk to you, but...
Thanks for hanging out.
You can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and Parler at TimCast.
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We'll be back tomorrow, of course, but smash that like button, hit that notification bell, share the show with your friends if you really like it, because that's really the only way the show grows.
I don't buy Google Ads.
Maybe I could, you know, just like the podcasting of peers or something.
We'll look into it, but word of mouth really is the number one way to help support the channel.
But anyway, thanks for hanging out.
Chris, do you want to mention your channel or your social media?
chris martenson
Sure, got peakprosperity.com is the main website, and I'm at chrismartinson on Twitter, and you can check me out at chrismartinson.com, spelled out like a word, dot com on YouTube.
tim pool
Right on.
Luke, I hear that you have stuff.
luke rudkowski
Well, the shirt that I'm wearing right now that says all my favorite channels are demonetized Or deleted.
Also you can get on teesprings.com forward slash stores forward slash we are change because my main YouTube channel is we are change and it is demonetized.
tim pool
So booted.
luke rudkowski
Thank you for all you amazing human beings that are keeping me alive by purchasing t-shirts like the one I'm wearing today.
Thank you guys.
chris martenson
Yeah, I got demonetized right away.
unidentified
All I want for Christmas is for you guys to re-monetize these guys.
tim pool
No, no, no.
If anything, they're going to demonetize us.
That's why we're working.
ian crossland
Re-monetize.
Let's make re-monetize a really popular word.
tim pool
We're going the other direction with it.
ian crossland
Okay, speaking of re-monetized, my YouTube channel was also de-monetized because it wasn't very active.
I was part of the original partner program.
But I'm almost at 10,000 subscribers and I have been making videos, so come subscribe to my YouTube channel, Ian Crossland, along with Twitter, which I use a lot, and Mines.
tim pool
And of course, you can follow at Sarpetch Lids.
unidentified
You can.
You can follow me if you want to.
I'm on Twitter.
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