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Dec. 30, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Woman BEATS Cop With Baton Over Mask "Law," People Are SNAPPING w/ Eric July
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eric july
01:13:50
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ian crossland
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luke rudkowski
29:05
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tim pool
01:23:05
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lydia smith
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tim pool
So I see this story.
A woman was told to wear a mask, so she takes the baton from the sheriff, so that's beating the crap out of the sheriff.
And I thought to myself, man, that's really crazy, especially because we've seen a lot of instances now of people refusing to abide by lockdown, or, you know, sticking it to the man, I guess.
Like, there's one video where a guy parks his truck behind the health inspector, and he's like, if I can't work, you can't work either.
And the cop is like, you gotta move your trucks or anything.
It's like, I'm not moving anything.
I'm desperate and I'm not doing anything.
And so we're seeing stuff like this.
So I see this story about this cop getting beaten.
I'm like, man, that's crazy.
Because it's one thing to say you're not gonna wear a mask and then everyone makes a viral video about you.
It's another thing to say you're gonna keep your business open and you get arrested.
It's another thing to be some lady going to the gas station and beating the cop with their own baton.
Now that's a step over the line.
That's where, you know, people are starting to snap.
So we're looking up these stories.
Like, oh, let's see, you know, let's see what's, is there a bigger story here?
You just Google search it.
We got like, I think, four stories already.
Very, very similar.
Some Navy vet bashed a guy over the head with a bottle because he was told he had to wear a mask.
People aren't having it anymore.
And that's kind of freaky, but this does tie into what we're going to see coming up on January 6th.
Because you got all these people coming to D.C.
Donald Trump says have this big rally.
And you got to understand that the lockdowns are coming almost entirely from Democrats.
There definitely are Republicans who are pushing certain lockdown restrictions and things like that.
But you got a lot of people, they got nothing left to lose.
They've lost their business.
They've lost their livelihood.
Their lives are at risk.
They got free time.
Just like we saw with the George Floyd riots.
People had nothing to do.
They were bored.
Their jobs were gone.
And they snapped and they went out and they smashed everything up.
Now you've got people who are being told the guy they voted for, they like, is not gonna win.
And they got nothing left to lose.
So when we start seeing these stories about people bashing somebody with a bottle or beating cops, I'm like, man, things are starting to get spicy.
So we'll talk about that.
We've got a bunch of other stories, too.
The actual big news, I guess, is that Mitch McConnell rejected the $2,000 stimulus, proposed his own bill that has a provision in it to repeal Section 230, which is causing a huge debate.
A lot of Trump supporters are totally for it.
I think many people on the internet, including most on the left and many moderate, independent types, are against it.
That'll be interesting, too.
And then probably the greatest and only good thing to come out of the Omnibus bill is that of all the things they snuck into this 5,500-page bill was a provision mandating the Pentagon release their information on UFOs in 180 days.
And I'm like, eh, I'm kinda okay with that one.
Like, the rest of them we can complain about.
That one's cool.
So we're gonna talk about this.
Hanging out today, we got Eric July again.
eric july
Hey, man.
tim pool
How's it going, man?
Thanks for sticking around, hanging out.
eric july
Hey, man.
I'm here, and I appreciate it again.
This was fun.
It was fun yesterday.
We had a great episode.
tim pool
That was good.
That was good.
And we had to do it again because Luke wasn't feeling too well.
We had to bring Luke back so that we could have this bigger conversation.
luke rudkowski
Well, I'm not going to run away this time, but me and Eric are going to, again, contest a lot of your ideas, which I'm very excited about.
tim pool
No, I'm going to moderate.
luke rudkowski
Sorry for walking out on you amazing human beings.
We got a lot of stuff to debate about taxation being cut now.
But most importantly, sorry for walking out on you amazing human beings.
I had a migraine all day and then for some reason I was at a level where I was about
to puke or pass out.
And that's not good for television.
So I just kind of walked away.
What is it?
tim pool
You forgot to take this.
luke rudkowski
I'd rather not.
lydia smith
You gotta show everybody.
tim pool
Luke didn't take his medicine.
Luke didn't take his medicine.
luke rudkowski
That's by your side of the table.
Just for the record.
tim pool
That's Michael Malice's who's getting a shout out every time we reference that it's here because it's hilarious.
He gets a shout out.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
That was his trick.
He knows it's funny.
luke rudkowski
Not walking out today.
Thanks so much for having me on.
tim pool
Yeah, right on.
ian crossland
Pass me that male vitality while you're at it.
tim pool
Are you going to take some?
ian crossland
Yeah.
No, no, I'm going to do it.
I'm going to spin it.
unidentified
I'm going to spin the male vitality while we're at it.
lydia smith
It's everything our show has built up to.
ian crossland
Spin that male vitality.
What up, Holmes?
tim pool
And the gorilla.
ian crossland
I'm back with a better gorilla with a new and improved set piece.
Yeah.
tim pool
Somehow the gorilla's become like a mascot.
ian crossland
It looks good in red.
lydia smith
It does.
ian crossland
We've kind of decided.
You couldn't really tell what it was in blue.
I'll show you.
It's a little...
lydia smith
It's so cool.
ian crossland
Amorphous.
So I think we'll stick with red for now.
lydia smith
It's so cool.
ian crossland
But Eric, if you think I should have changed the color to let me know.
unidentified
I'm glad you're back, Luke.
luke rudkowski
Oh yeah.
ian crossland
I was sad when you walked out yesterday.
tim pool
Are you feeling good?
You got your kombucha?
luke rudkowski
I feel like if I would pass out or puke, you would like give me a stink eye and then be like, also in the news.
tim pool
I'm also extremely grateful for being healthy.
I woke up this morning and I felt amazing.
And again, a lot of people take their health for granted.
luke rudkowski
But yes, I'm also extremely grateful for being healthy.
I woke up this morning and I felt amazing.
And again, a lot of people take their health for granted.
Don't.
Seriously, I'm extremely happy to be healthy and cognitive and not in pain and suffering.
So seriously, don't take advantage of it.
tim pool
appreciate the health that you are. You know what the easiest way to understand that sentiment is? It's like you
never think about breathing out of both nostrils until your nose gets stuffed and then you can't remember what it was
like. You know, you're like, man, I remember what I can't.
What was I didn't even notice breathing out of both nostrils.
Now my nose is all stuffed, I'm sick, and it's hard to breathe.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, a lot of us, you know, don't take it seriously how amazing it is to be healthy.
There's so many of us that are not healthy.
Seriously, appreciate it.
And you gotta keep working and striving to be your best all the time now, especially in this sick and twisted world with so much crap.
Shoved down your mouth hole figuratively and literally that you did you watch the show yesterday?
ian crossland
No, no, dude.
We talked about busting up the Federal Reserve Get it on I like that topic.
tim pool
All right.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
All right, Lydia.
She's producing.
I am pushing buttons rapidly Well, let's talk about this crazy story man.
Check this out this from the Daily Mail Actually, hold on.
I'm sorry.
I can't believe I just did man.
What smash the like button subscribe hit the notification belt Okay, where was I?
Dailymail.com.
Moment woman beats sheriff's deputy with her own baton after being told she couldn't enter a gas station without a mask.
They say St.
Louis County Sheriff's Deputy 59 was working security at a Shell gas station late on Christmas Day when she was attacked by a maskless customer.
I like how maskless is now an identifier.
Because everybody's wearing masks if you're not.
That's how they identify you.
Maskless.
Officials say the deputy told the female suspect to put on a mask, which prompted her to attack the officer with her fists in a parking lot.
Assault was captured on cell phone video shot by bystanders.
Suspect managed to grab deputy's baton and strike her in the head, causing a concussion.
Deputy pursued her attacker and fought back before the woman fled the scene.
That's crazy.
I don't know if they made an arrest.
Now, that deputy, you hear the story and you imagine it's some strapping young male cop.
No, it was a lady and it was a 59-year-old woman.
She was working security at the gas station.
When the woman entered the store without a face covering, you can see some of the clips there, and then just pulls her out of her car, I guess.
The victim stated the suspect became belligerent when the victim informed the suspect that the suspect should not enter the business without a mask, according to the police.
Surveillance video from inside the store shows the suspect putting on a mask, then seemingly exchanging some words with the deputy standing by the door.
This is weird.
It's a weird story.
I wonder if this actually has anything to do with masks and more people just being, you know, crazy.
But then we've got another story.
Let me see if this is it.
Yeah.
Bar attack.
Suspect captured.
Charged with assault.
This is from Christmas Eve.
They say the man accused of hitting a Houston bar employee in the head with a glass has been arrested.
Houston Police Chief Art Acevedo tweeted Thursday.
The suspect has been apprehended and charged with assault.
Now they say this is a Navy veteran who did this.
He was charged with assault and it started.
The guy who got attacked and bashed over the glass got 10 stitches.
The conflict began when the customer did not want to wear a mask.
We got a bunch of stories about this.
Look at this.
Man arrested for shooting at gas station after being told to wear a mask.
It's from only a couple days ago.
I just did a Google search and all these stories started popping up.
And then if I just show you Google, look at this.
You got story about like, well, this is different.
Airline kicks off a family because a toddler wouldn't wear a mask.
Doctor's license suspended for refusing to wear a mask.
Oregon doctor refuses to wear a mask.
Man arrested for refusing to wear a mask on a flight from Salt Lake City.
What's this one?
Still refusing to wear a mask.
Bill Nye would like to have a word with you.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
I don't want to get on Bill Nye's bad side, so you tell me to wear a mask, Bill, and we're all good.
luke rudkowski
Well, from the first video, it looked like both of the ladies were in the same weight class.
And that was a world star-esque video.
There were tasers, there were batons.
There were tasers, there were batons.
The weight class was obese, just for everyone watching out there, just for the record.
And I think people have had enough.
I mean, there's more and more instances of individuals getting into physical confrontations because of the mask issue.
Just even this morning, there was a video going around of a disabled US Army veteran getting arrested, getting manhandled by a bunch of police officers because he allegedly wouldn't wear a mask inside of a mall.
So we're seeing a lot of these incidences and I think we're going to see more of them and it's really a pity because a lot of individuals are forced to do this by their states because the state mandates that if you want to have a business, you're going to force everyone to wear a mask.
In the United Kingdom, They're mandating bar owners to stop people from singing.
Now, I don't know about you, I wouldn't want to be a bar owner trying to tell drunk British people not to sing because that's a recipe for disaster, especially at a bar, especially how crazy people get.
But we have to remember, all of this conflict, all of this infighting, a lot of the fights that start with masks All revolve around government mandates and orders and executive orders with not with government officials, not laws, government officials saying you better tell everyone to wear a mask inside of your bodega.
Are you going to lose your business license?
Are you going to lose your liquor license?
Are you going to lose whatever license we give you?
And you're going to stop being able to provide for yourself because of this imaginary made up little rule that we just made up on the spot.
tim pool
You know what?
This really highlights a funny phenomenon that's going on right now.
You got a lot of young people who, you know, 10 years ago weren't involved in politics and are now in politics, and they're very much, like, aligned with Democrats politically.
Like, a lot of these younger YouTubers and commentators, some of whom we've had here, they're younger guys.
And, like, there seems to be, due to this inexperience, a lack of understanding of what libertarian means, the fact that there's left and right libertarians, and that, for the most part, they're all very critical of policing and government, regardless of whether you're left or right.
And so there was a funny post on uh it's called leopards ate my face it's a subreddit where they basically talk about it's like hypocrisy it's like somebody who advocates for something then becoming a victim of something so an anti-vaxxer saying oh no i got sick if only there was something i could you know could have done but there was a post from r slash libertarian breaking down what they don't like about cops and policing like right now when it pertains to covid And they were like, haha, they're reaping what they have sown.
And then a bunch of people in the comments were like, I'm pretty sure libertarians don't like cops.
I'm not sure what you think is going on.
They've always been criticizing policing in this fashion.
What I find really funny about all this is I posted a comment.
There's that video of the dude who parks his truck behind the healthcare worker, and I posted a video saying, basically, F the cops who are enforcing this.
When Antifa was destroying businesses, I defended the cops who were protecting those businesses.
Now the cops are the ones destroying these businesses, and they're not doing it under any constitutional law, like, or any constitutional authority or statutory law.
Literally just some edict.
Some healthcare guy's like, shut him down.
The cop goes, you got it.
So I criticize it.
And I see these people who clearly have no political experience, have not been involved before, They're like, now all of a sudden these people on the right are angry at cops.
And I'm like, bro, I don't think you know who I am.
Like, I'll criticize people who are violating the rights of individuals.
But we're seeing from this, I think it is fair to say there's a lot of conservatives who are now waking up to the fact.
eric july
Absolutely.
tim pool
These cops.
They're gonna shut you down.
eric july
And I say this out of experience, obviously doing what I do over at The Blaze and having so many conversations with these guys, a lot of folks positions are changing much like it is with like the healthcare industry and nurses and stuff.
You're starting to see people on that side start to alter their position.
On, on, on cops, which they should.
I mean, if you extended what they actually claim to believe with this whole limited form of government and all those sorts of things to the logical conclusion, then that's exactly what they would be.
I mean, who is the one that, that, that enforces all of these laws that you may have an issue with?
I always tell them about what it'd be with taxation and all these other sorts of things that they will pin on the Bernie Sanders of the world, the AOCs of the world.
And you can recognize that they, Aren't very smart people, but it also isn't them that goes out and enforces these laws.
The teeth of the state are the police officers, and this is why we call them that.
It's just gums at that point.
We see that as an example right here with the executive order, where they could just pull it out of their behind.
If the cops said, which you have seen in some local levels, not most places, but some instances, but if the cops just said, no, Then that would be it.
It would be nothing to discuss.
There would be nothing.
This is why I'm like, this is an easy thing.
But unfortunately, it takes a lot of folks that have, you know, back to blue types, all of them to actually have to say the people that we have been protecting are the folks that are responsible for the destruction right now.
luke rudkowski
It's not just that, Eric.
When we talk about this protection, we really have to look at it from all the kind of events that have been unfolding during the summer.
Right now, we have cops that are acting like tough guys roughing up a disabled U.S.
Army veteran.
Where were they?
When Black Lives Matter was rioting, breaking, looting, and destroying people's personal businesses.
They were there twiddling their thumbs, watching, standing by.
Fox News had it in New York City where people were just brazenly breaking into every store that they wanted.
Police officers on the same block were just literally standing there kicking rocks, not doing nothing.
So on the backdrop of that, are they really protecting us or are they really pushing a political agenda on all of us?
tim pool
You know what?
I got no problem if the cops aren't going to protect New York City from itself.
eric july
I mean, my thing is about, you know, I get it.
I'm obviously, I'm an advocate, huge advocate of private property rights.
It's one thing for them, and this is why I've always said, like, look, I don't want a new law.
I don't want to sit up here and lecture the cops about what they should and shouldn't do.
I don't care for that.
How about this?
Allow free people to put that power more so back in their own hands.
So why can't they protect their own business?
It's essentially illegal there, right?
So if they, we saw that.
Minneapolis, pawn shop owner.
God comes and loots his store, he airs his... I almost said something, but he aired him out.
He aired him out.
He's the one that goes to jail, right?
For him defending because out there they have this sort of duty to retreat law out there.
So you can't, like I could in Texas, if you bust into my store I could shoot you.
Where in some places you cannot do that.
So that's what makes it a free-for-all that way.
And unfortunately people think the answer is, okay, we just need to send cops to go do this, this, and this.
And I'm like, it's less about that.
And more about people being free to, let's say, protect themselves and their own property.
If they had that freedom, they'd be more likely to exercise.
luke rudkowski
Like also in St.
Louis with that couple that walked out with firearms.
They're the ones that went to jail.
They're the ones that were prosecuted.
tim pool
And the cops seized their guns.
They were on their own property.
People came in and they said, get out.
The cops took the guns from them.
They got arrested.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, New York City, you can't even have pepper spray.
You can't even legally own pepper spray, and then they're gonna tell you that the police officers are protecting and serving you.
tim pool
Come on.
I'll say this.
I do think the laws are completely overbearing in places like New York, but one of the big problems is density.
So, you know, I'm driving, you know, around the middle of nowhere, and I'm wondering why it is, like, there's no cops anywhere in these areas, you know?
I was talking to somebody who mentioned, in some of these places, let's say, like, West Virginia, because we've been looking at property in West Virginia, so we've been, you know, kind of driving around a little bit.
They're like, there's no cops.
None.
And I'm like, then, where's the crime at?
Doesn't somebody, like, break on your property, and they're like, oh, look, it's shut.
Everybody knows it.
eric july
Yeah.
tim pool
So you've got all of these houses in this neighborhood and I'm like, no crime, no crime.
Why not?
Well, if anyone goes anywhere near my house, I get shot.
Everybody knows it.
You want to walk on someone's property, you knock on the door politely and they'll come and answer the door with their shotgun.
If you break out of their property, start going through their garage.
You're gonna get shot.
eric july
Simple as that.
tim pool
But, you know, in New York City, I guess the problem is density.
Everybody's stacked on top of each other.
Like, how would that work if someone broke into your apartment and you shot them and then bullets are going through apartments and stuff like that, you know?
eric july
Yeah, I mean, obviously that's the training portion and obviously there's a lot of libertarians out there trying to get people... You only sell hollow points in New York City.
unidentified
Exactly.
eric july
Right, right.
So you're not actually shooting 5.56, just shooting through a wall.
tim pool
No, no, but there you go.
You just had gun control.
No.
I'm trying to get me in a corner here.
luke rudkowski
I'm being facetious. I'm being facetious.
tim pool
But no, but for real, like, you know, if you're out in the middle of nowhere, you can have, like, an AR-15.
And that might make sense. You got a massive property. Let's say you live on 50 acres of small house,
and you see someone going through, like, your barn or whatever.
It might make sense to have a rifle you can use from far away so you don't have to encounter whoever this person is.
They might be armed, they might be dangerous.
What if you get reports that there's armed groups going around raiding, looting places?
You want a gun that's gonna have decent range to keep you safe, right?
luke rudkowski
Or a wild animal.
tim pool
Or a bear or something, right?
But if you're in a small apartment in New York City, you're in a concrete box stacked on top of each other, If you have an AR or, you know, five, five, six or whatever, that's going to, that's going to go through some walls.
You know what I mean?
eric july
Yeah.
I mean, again, as it goes back to the training, the training aspect, which is more, that's just as important.
We talk about gun control and all of that sort of thing.
Like, look, I want people to get trained on how to use their, their weaponry.
I want people to be able to exercise, uh, that particular right.
De-escalation is a big thing that I talk a lot about, but unfortunately when it comes to instances like New York and those cities, definitely those inner cities, They have been, it is literally illegal for them to defend themselves.
Like, it's illegal for them to do it.
luke rudkowski
That's why I think it should be illegal in New York City for police officers to have automatic weapons.
In New York City they have this hit squad, I forgot their exact name or their kind of tag or origin line, but they have these officers that look like Ninja Turtles and they walk around with automatic machine guns.
In New York City.
tim pool
What kind of machine guns do you know?
luke rudkowski
I forgot exactly the exact make and model of what they had.
tim pool
Like actual machine guns or just like select fire?
luke rudkowski
Full automatic assault, not assault rifles.
Assault is the made up term.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
Assault rifles are legit.
Assault weapon is the made up term.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Long barrel rifles that are fully automatic and I'm like, That's the, like, stupidest weapon you could have in Times Square with such a large crowd, especially if you're going to have a lot of innocent bystanders all around you.
And if you look at many of the police shootings in New York City, even with their handguns, they automatically shoot so many times, they're so untrained, that a lot of times innocent bystanders are hit.
tim pool
So here we go.
If you're gonna ban guns, you're banning guns.
Not for certain people.
If New York City says you can't have these guns, then nobody can have them.
Not even the cops.
eric july
And that's why, but that's why that would never be a thing, because that's not what this is about.
They ultimately want that one institution, and even the leftists who advocate for gun control, I don't think they understand to the extent of what it is that they're advocating, right?
It's like, I don't want these guns to be on the street, and that's where the argument is.
It's like, I don't want you to have that gun, and they walk away.
But who's the one that's gonna enforce it?
What type of guns do they have?
What if I decide that, okay, this isn't up for grabs here?
What do you want them to do to me?
Well, when they start answering those questions, well, that institution should have better weapons than you.
That institution should be able to kill you in the event that you defend themselves.
So that's the thing, why I don't take leftists, a lot of mainstream leftists, seriously when they talk about police brutality, Or these sorts of concepts of gun control and all of that, because at the end of the day, they would send that same institution to go whoop up on someone in the event they needed to take away their gun.
luke rudkowski
Well, they have the illusion that government is there to protect and serve them.
It's not.
eric july
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
Sorry.
tim pool
So I'm curious, man.
I wonder if all of this COVID stuff is going to make everybody a lot more right wing.
Well, but just to give you an example, like, people are forced to leave cities, right?
There's this viral post where somebody was like, I don't want to go back to normal.
I don't want the way normal was.
Standing shoulder to shoulder with people in a subway cart, breathing their spit and their sweat.
I don't want to walk crowded on sidewalks, unable to even, like, waiting in line to get a sandwich.
I don't want to go back to normal.
Normal was awful.
And they said, maybe I should move to the suburbs.
Maybe people are now realizing that being crammed in a concrete cubicle in a city that smells like sour milk stacked on top of each other isn't so fun.
And COVID's making everybody kind of spread out and move to other areas.
And that can be a good thing in the long run, because they're going to start having to do hard work to survive, and they're going to understand the value of what they've produced.
luke rudkowski
Well, whenever we have the changing of the guard, especially with U.S.
presidents, whenever it's a Republican president, usually the liberals kind of mobilize themselves and start getting activated.
We're going to see something very similar with Biden and a lot of conservatives and a lot of people leaning towards conservatives because Biden has that power.
He has already promised a hundred days of masks during his first days in office.
And, of course, he also appointed Dr. Fauci to a very prominent position with his administration.
Dr. Fauci, by the way, just came out moments ago and said, put aside the nonsense of making masks be a political statement or not.
We know it works.
eric july
Where's the evidence?
tim pool
They keep saying, look, I got no problem wearing a mask.
It's meaningless to me, OK?
It's annoying.
Sometimes I go to the store.
I'll put it on.
How long am I really wearing it for?
10, 15 minutes?
I leave.
I take it off.
The issue is we've been wearing masks.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
tim pool
Doing another mask mandate is not going to change anything.
unidentified
And they keep saying, well, this would all be over if people would just wear masks.
tim pool
We've been wearing masks.
luke rudkowski
The data suggests it.
tim pool
There are some instances where people don't wear it.
But what does that matter?
Y'all went out and were dancing around for Biden, taking your masks off and drinking champagne.
luke rudkowski
It's not only that, Tim.
It's the same people like Dr. Fauci that were telling you not to wear a mask because it doesn't help you.
The CDC head, don't wear a mask.
The same Dr. Fauci that was lying to you about herd immunity and all these other issues that was financing the gain-of-function research in Wuhan.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
Fauci's lying now.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
He's lying now.
He used to say 60 to 70 percent herd immunity in order for us to be back to normal.
Now he's saying, oh, I didn't really mean that.
I think people are ready to hear the truth.
75 to 85 percent.
Well, hold on.
The World Health Organization says 60 to 70.
So which is it?
Who's lying?
Well, YouTube says we have to abide by the World Health Organization guidelines.
That means Fauci's a liar.
eric july
Oh, yeah.
luke rudkowski
I don't care how many times Brad Pitt played him.
I'm not going to believe him.
Sorry.
eric july
Sorry, go ahead.
No, but with Fauci, I mean, he's moved the goalposts a million times.
And I just don't understand why people still are listening to this man.
tim pool
Tribalism.
eric july
Because, you know, it's not like he's been correct necessarily on anything it is that we do.
But we hold this guy up to the, or more so worship him.
I don't.
But a lot of these guys worship him at the altar.
And we listen to everything it is that he's supposed to say.
Never mind the fact that he's been virtually wrong.
tim pool
I don't know how many times. There's a viral video showing everything he said that's been
contradicted and I'll tell you what it is. On the left they say he's this great and honorable,
you know, genius who's guiding us to safety and they trust him. Many people on the right,
because I don't want, I don't think the right for the most part is a monolith in this regard,
they say that he's, you know, crooked, corrupt, he's profiting and all that.
Hold on.
Everybody needs to chill.
Fauci, I'll tell you exactly what he does, because I read the news nonstop, all day, every day.
He waits two days and then repeats whatever he heard from the mainstream media.
That's why he's behind the times.
So I see these interviews where he's like, you don't need a mask.
You know, you don't know when you're going around wearing this and I'm like he's just repeating the talking point
that came out in The New York Times two days ago and then as soon as the
mask thing is like, oh actually we should wear masks Then two days after the story breaks and we're given the
guidelines. He goes. Well, you really should wear is that it?
You just wait for the news to feel safe about what your opinion is and then you give your opinion
That's not really an expert giving us an expert opinion. No, he's just repeating the news. Well, dr
luke rudkowski
Fauci has been around for a very long time He's been advising many presidents, and I think it's very important to also note that he was the individual funding and backing the Level 4 Wuhan laboratory when it came to risky coronavirus research, specifically gain-of-function research, trying to figure out how to make a deadly bat coronavirus infect human beings.
That's what he was doing months before, of course, the main coronavirus.
unidentified
That was actually, I think, New York That was Newsweek as well.
tim pool
That was back in April.
luke rudkowski
The funding stopped in 2019 and he funded them to the tune of $7.4 million.
tim pool
You know what's crazy?
It was Washington Post that actually ran the op-ed asking the question about the origins of the virus in this lab.
It was the Washington Post!
And I reported on it, and they tried claiming that I was pushing conspiracies, and I was like, oh, no, no, I was criticized, trust me.
I was saying, they're crazy, of course they're crazy.
I'm the smart one telling the Washington Post, I'm saying they're fake news, right?
They were allowed to report it.
And if I say that, they say I'm wrong.
Trump sees a report from TechCrunch on Z-Pac and hydroxychloroquine, and he repeats it.
He says, oh, I saw this story, you know, it looks promising.
And then they're like, oh, Trump's crazy, he's lying, he's wrong.
And I'm like, he's just telling you what he saw on the news, man.
But listen, listen, we got all these people snapping off.
They're getting sick and tired of lockdowns.
Joe Biden's saying the lockdown's not gonna stop.
Well, I'm sorry, he said, we're gonna listen to the science.
And his science advisor says, what did he say, six months?
Then we got Bill Gates and Fauci saying 2022.
Now we got this from The Guardian.
The World Health Organization warns COVID-19 pandemic is not necessarily the big one.
Experts tell end-of-year media briefing that virus is likely to become endemic and the world will have to learn to live with it.
Now does that mean that we're all gonna chill out, reduce the lockdowns, take some precautions, maybe get a vaccine?
Or does it mean we're locked down forever?
I think it's locked down forever.
eric july
I think, well no, I mean they've shown that it will, when I say it works, not that it actually helps in mitigating whatever spread, it works is in the fact that They can control you.
They know that they can do that.
That's a thing that they can do.
They can shut everything down and do whatever it is that they want and that's what they were allowed to do.
So I think that is what people are going to see as the new normal because unfortunately 10, even a decade ago, it's just unreal.
Could you just imagine someone being like yeah there's going to be this virus that It's like a 99.9% survival rate, and we're gonna shut not just this country down, but multiple countries down.
luke rudkowski
We're just gonna shut down the small businesses and allow the big corporate buddies to be open.
tim pool
And you can still go out and dance for Biden.
eric july
Yeah, and you can of course protest for black lives if that's your thing as well.
That's also on the table.
They recognize that it works, and the people that are in control, for whatever reason, the people that we listen to, whether they're a health expert or not, I mean, Bill Gates, I mean, I'm always seeing him on TV lecturing us about this issue as well.
But that's what it is that they want, and this is why I say that civil disobedience, man, is like...
I know I got called a conspiracy theorist very early on in this pandemic when I talked about, like, dude, if you idiots think that it's just gonna be two weeks, I'm sorry.
We know that there's no such thing as a temporary government program.
They're going to kick the can down the road again, and they still didn't listen.
tim pool
I gotta stop you, Eric, and this misinformation, or I shouldn't say misinformation, I should say, you know, how dare you criticize Bill Gates?
It is a long-standing tradition in this country to turn to software developers for their expertise in epidemiology.
unidentified
It's true.
tim pool
Now Bill Gates, who's more qualified than to talk about a virus than a guy who made a bunch of computer programs?
There's viruses on computers!
Different kind of virus.
Same word, right?
I wonder how many people who hate me are gonna take that out of context.
Anyway, here's the main point with the story though.
They're just saying it's gonna get worse, right?
You guys remember that V for Vendetta scene where the Chancellor is like, I want them to know why they need us!
And then it shows all the news clips playing.
And there's like the guy in the bar and he's watching the story.
And he goes, do you believe this bollocks?
And like people are shaking their head at it.
So I see these stories where they're like, COVID will keep mutating and will only get worse.
And we don't know if the vaccine is going to help.
And now we got a couple of stories I want to show you to exemplify this.
The first one is this one from the New York Times.
Small number of COVID patients develop severe psychotic symptoms.
Most had no history of mental illness and became psychotic weeks after contracting the virus.
Cases are expected to remain rare, but are being reported worldwide.
All right, there's one more story I got to show you, but I got a question for this.
When those people got Bell's palsy, they said, oh, but only a few people got Bell's palsy from the vaccine.
It's not a big deal.
So a couple people get psychotic symptoms and they think it's, it's, it's, you know, major New York times published a story, boom, breaking.
I see the story.
And at this point, I'm just like, are you kidding me, dude?
They're saying COVID causes blood clots.
Your, your, your feet scab up, you know, you can't breathe forever.
Infertility, your heart stops and you go psychotic.
It does all these things.
Calm down, man.
If that's true, then we're in serious trouble.
Right.
But, but to be fair, okay, maybe it is true.
That's why they're all freaking out.
Okay.
But it kind of does feel like they're just inundating with this stuff.
And that's exemplified by this next story.
From ABC News, nurse tests positive for COVID-19 shortly after getting vaccinated.
You mean to tell me they get the vaccine, and then eight days later, they get sick, and they say, this scenario isn't unexpected.
Here's how it could have happened.
Maybe they already had the virus before getting the vaccine.
But I'll tell you what this story is.
More fear.
I'm sorry, the vaccine.
Why is ABC News telling us the vaccine?
They're putting out the story that questions whether the vaccine's gonna work.
They want us terrified so that we just give in and say, do whatever you want, government, shut everything down forever, and let people just wallow in it.
eric july
That's exactly what they want, but I mean, look.
This is why it was so important that no matter where you were at on this issue, I mean, I understand there was a lot of people that were freaking out early on.
Like, you didn't know much about the virus.
Okay, let's just say for the sake of conversation, though, the numbers were out coming out of South Korea, and even China, they said the same thing.
Believe them or not, they actually said the same thing as far as who it impacted, how deadly it actually was.
But that's why it was so important there.
to say no like you had to do it then because if you didn't do it then you showed them you showed the state you showed the uh uh whether it be local governments the governors the every congresswoman and man you showed them that that's all that it take takes is to scare you That's all it- when do they report good news?
Wouldn't it be fantastic news for them to say, yeah, not mo- the vast- and when I say vast majority of people that catch this, like, it's not even close.
Like, the vast majority of cat- that catch this will never have to go to the hospital, and they will never get severely sick.
That's not my opinion.
their own their own data says most importantly you brought up a very
luke rudkowski
important point before saying that there's too many things going for the
elites for them to stop this they're benefiting absolutely too much and then
also when you look at V for Vendetta it is eerily eerily very similar to what's
And just to remind you, in V for Vendetta, it's where the government created a virus and used it to seize power over its people.
And there was one incident of police brutality that sparked a national protest and led a larger revolt against the government.
That was V for Vendetta.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait.
We're not there yet.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
That's what's freaky.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
What happens on January 6th?
We'll talk about this in greater detail.
I don't want to derail the conversation, but let me just say, man, What happens on January 5th when the Democrats win in Georgia?
Assuming they do.
And then all these Trump supporters hear the Democrats now control everything.
And they're in D.C.
and they're angry.
They got nothing to lose.
They're desperate.
Their property's gone.
Their businesses are gone.
Their savings is gone.
I'll tell you this, man.
It's all tied together.
It's just like V for Vendetta where he says, I could see it all tied together like, you know, a web or whatever.
You've got people.
I remember watching a video.
Wait, let me slow down.
I went to a bunch of Trump rallies, 2015-2016, and I met a bunch of people who were voting for Trump.
Some of them were Bernie Sanders supporters.
When the Democrats gave it to Hillary, took it from Bernie, some of them went to Trump.
They said because Bernie and Trump were the only ones talking about the trade agreements and bringing back these jobs.
I remember talking to one dude who was probably like early 50s.
And he was saying, you know, this was in Janesville, Wisconsin, and he was talking about how his job was gone, gone overseas.
And Trump's talking about bringing these factories back and bringing back, you know, his livelihood, his town, and that's what he's voting for.
And then I remember seeing a video from a couple years, like a year and a half or so into Trump's presidency.
It was a dude crying.
It was like a middle-aged guy crying, saying before Trump, I lost my job.
My savings has completely diminished.
The college fund for my kids, we were eating into it.
And I knew that not only was I on the verge of not giving my kids a future, we were on the verge of homelessness.
Until Trump came in and started putting in these rules, these tariffs, negotiating these trade agreements.
And then my companies, these companies start coming back to my area.
It's like, now I'm working again.
Now I'm saving again.
Now I know that I have my safety net back, and it's thanks to Donald Trump.
And the guy was in tears.
Not bawling his eye out like crying, but he was like, you know, his tears coming down his face, where he's like, Thank you, Donald Trump.
You've saved my life.
I can't believe it.
I imagine that video, and I've talked about that one so many times over the past several years, is one guy having his life turned around, or the people in Michigan, when the car factory started coming back and reinvesting in the Detroit area.
Now those people are being told, it's all being taken away from you.
Remember that episode of South Park where Cartman gets a million dollars?
You ever see that one?
He gets a million dollars, and he buys a theme park with it, and then Kyle's all like, you know, why?
It's not fair, God.
Why would you give Cartman, the worst person in the world, a million dollars?
But then Cartman loses the million dollars, and he's miserable, and he's crying, and he's screaming.
I'm not trying to equate the hard-working people there.
Cartman, don't get me wrong.
I'm just saying, you have people who are desperate, and Donald Trump comes in, and in 2019, we get the best economy of our lives.
So says Jim Cramer, if you take his word for it.
These people are getting their jobs back.
They're getting back on track.
Then COVID hits.
The Democrat governors destroy everything, shut it all down, take away your job, take away your property, your chance at life.
And now you're going back, backwards.
Now we got CNBC story says they interviewed a hundred investors, like wealth management funds.
Two thirds believe under Biden, the economy is going to tank or it's going to start going down.
It's going to get bad.
Now these people are watching everything being stripped away.
Are they going to show up in DC?
And are they going to be really, really angry?
I kind of think so.
eric july
I mean, it can go either way, but until people... I don't see this issue being resolved until people really understand what the hell is going on.
You know, it's...
It's not just, you know, I get it.
He thought Trump was the nuke in the system.
I never assumed that, never thought that he was, never supported him.
I mean, I could say that for any politician for that matter.
But the idea that these institutions continue to grow in power, and that includes Trump, you know, with his executive orders, that's going to set the scene up, precedent being set for Joe Biden to come and basically do the same thing, just may not be working out to the people's benefit.
So, this is why, if it keeps going that route, the most peaceful way is, to me, a separation.
Like, this idea that we all have to share this one government, though we hate each other to this point, makes no sense whatsoever.
This is why they're control freaks.
They're control freaks.
It's not about people being free.
I don't care what Dumb crap they throw out there, acting as if they give a crap about someone being free and liberty and all these concepts, no matter what side of the political spectrum that they claim to be on.
The issue here is that these folks have this power, right?
This territorial monopoly, right?
On use of force, violence, and ultimate decision-making.
And they say, we want that.
And we want to implement that.
We want to utilize that to implement these crazy things that you see going on, shutting folks down, doing whatever it is.
And it's always claiming to be benefiting the people that are around them.
This is why I say at some point, maybe this isn't working.
Now that doesn't mean even once we split we can't have a deal that says, okay, you got my back, I got yours.
But we're not sharing a government.
It makes no sense for us to share a government.
luke rudkowski
Well, weeks ago I was talking about this, and talking about a peaceful divorce, and people were like, you're crazy.
Now, I see more and more people talking about it, because when you look at the government, it really looks like there's elements that are trying to take away people's ability to fend for themselves.
Absolutely.
Especially with the latest news from the IRS today, that is planning a 50% increase in audits of small businesses.
tim pool
Small businesses!
luke rudkowski
Small businesses, yes.
The IRS is literally hiring additional staff right now to conduct 50% more audits on small businesses, literally wiping out anyone who survived and was left over.
That's unbelievable.
Meanwhile, Amazon and Walmart are allowed to be open.
They barely pay any taxes themselves.
tim pool
How many audits do they do per year on small businesses?
I think the important question is, what if they only do 10 audits?
I highly doubt that.
I'm just saying, what if out of, you know, we got 100, we got what, 225 working people in this country, how many of them own small businesses?
It's an important question to ask, how many audits do they do?
Because 50%, that's a percentage.
eric july
Either way, either way, I think it's... Well, yeah, I mean, the problem is, it's like they're going after the little guy.
tim pool
I don't want to defend the IRS, I'm just saying, let's do it.
eric july
The idea is obviously that they're going after the little guy, after the little guys that have been utterly destroyed this past year.
That's what they've been doing.
So I get it, I totally understand why someone would look at that and I hate the IRS and look at that
and be like, hey man, what are y'all doing?
But no, there's something wrong with this and the minute I can get Americans to understand that,
the better off we're gonna be.
But a lot of them are control freaks.
A lot of them just want, it's not about liberty, it's about more so control.
So I want to be able to force that person on the other side of the aisle to do what I want them to do.
And they can't see a world where it's like, okay, why don't you go do that?
And I'm just gonna go do that.
tim pool
crazy. This is the thing, right? You got states like Wyoming. That's the, the, the, the, the,
the most Trump state in the country. Granted they only have like 550 million people,
550,000 people, not million in the state. That'd be a massive state by the way. No, no, no. 550,000
people in that state. So it's not the biggest, it's, it's the most Trump support of any state.
And then I think West Virginia, it doesn't make sense that they're going to pass, you know,
Joe Biden wants to ban all online sales of ammo, of ammo, accessories, and guns.
I'm like, well, that might make sense for New York.
We talked about it.
You know, what do you, what do you do if someone's breaking into your little concrete cubicle?
It smells like sour milk.
Maybe it doesn't make sense to fire, you know, 556, which might go through the wall, but people will, might do it if they're, if they just have it.
So then there's questions about density.
But if you're in West Virginia, if you're in Wyoming, it definitely makes sense to have, you know, an AR-15 when you're dealing with animals.
In fact, I don't even know, depending on which AR you're using, what kind of ammo can you use.
You might not even be able to actually stop a large bear or some animal that's attacking your home.
You might need some serious firepower for that.
So in New York, they're like, these politicians say, we need to ban all these guns.
How stupid must you be to have like a 458, you know, SOCOM or 450 Bushmaster or something in New York City?
And then somebody who's in the middle of the wilderness is like, are you nuts?
I definitely need that stopping power.
Why is that law going to affect them?
unidentified
Right.
eric july
But that, and that's the problem.
Like, why do we have this setup where everybody can pack, pack up, whether it be in Washington or wherever they're at, and they can vote.
Law, vote in laws or rather legislation that can impact people in Wyoming.
That doesn't make sense.
That doesn't make any sort of sense when you break it down like that.
But we just for the longest have accepted it like that's what it is.
I think right now what we're seeing is how much of a problem it actually is when you get people that are ruled over by folks that they hate.
We saw that definitely over the last four years, how the leftists just went utterly insane because a guy, never mind, he's actually probably more like them than any Republican president before.
They don't even understand that.
tim pool
That's why they hate him.
eric july
Maybe they see an image of themselves coming into fruition.
But no, that's the problem.
And I think that we have to realistically talk about that as a legitimate solution.
Like, why does it have to be that we all share this particular government?
And it's a lot easier.
We accept the idea that it's a lot easier for Americans to fight the federal government as opposed to, let's say, the, I don't know, the United Nations or something like that.
And it's obviously a lot easier for me being out of Texas to Fight the Texas government as opposed to the federal government.
Why is it that we all have to share this government?
It's just like because we don't.
tim pool
I'll put it this way, right?
There's definitely too much federalization happening because we could have one federal government so long as the states had more guarantees and more protections.
The problem is the battle is increasingly over the national control.
Nobody cares about their local politicians.
Their city falls to crap, and so they talk about voting for someone for Congress, and I'm like, but Congress is federal voting, not local.
You want someone to clean up your state, vote for your state representatives.
You want better representation where you live, and you gotta vote locally.
eric july
And that's why I think that the complete removal of that would have people focusing, people would be more narrowly focused on What's around them as opposed to acting like Bernie Sanders is going to save their lives?
tim pool
But that's how it used to be.
It used to be that the president was chosen for the most part.
eric july
This is a figurehead!
tim pool
Well, the legislature of the states ultimately, you know, were deciding who was going to be the elector for the state.
And that the senators were voted on by, I believe it was the legislature.
It was appointment, essentially.
They started changing these rules to make it more about popular vote, popular vote, to make America more of one federalized nation than individual states.
It doesn't work in the long run, and it doesn't work in Europe either.
The crazy thing is, we've been a country for a lot longer than the European Union's been around.
But one of the biggest problems, because I've been all over Europe, and I hear from a lot of people in Spain.
I've been to Spain, I've been to Germany, I've been to Netherlands, I've been to the UK, I've been to France.
They tell me, at Greece, one of the challenges, I was in Greece, and I was asking this dude, he was a Uber driver, and he was talking about how the economy is really, really bad, it's really hard to make any money, and I was like, but can't you just move to, like, London?
And he goes, I'm Greek, I don't want to move to London.
And I was like, but it's the EU, you know, you could go, and the jobs are better, and they're like, no, I'm Greek, man, I'm not British.
They don't view themselves the same way.
They don't want to live under the same rules.
They don't want to eat the same food.
They're very different people.
eric july
And there's nothing wrong with that.
unidentified
No, for sure.
Right, but that's the... But just to finish my point, in the U.S.
tim pool
it's very, very similar.
People in West Virginia want to go hunting with their gigantic rifles.
eric july
It's a different place for... I know you can say this because you've traveled and I know you especially, Luke.
We can all say this for those of us that travel.
You can be in even certain parts of a state and it's like night and day.
Like, I lived in Corpus Christi.
Corpus Christi is nothing like Dallas-Fort Worth, for those of you that don't know.
And unfortunately, because of this hyper-emphasis on, like, they talk about this diversity thing, right?
And it has nothing to do with thought or anything like that.
What they really want is this different colors and different genders of people saying the same thing.
unidentified
Yes!
eric july
Right?
That's exactly what they want.
Where I've been, it's gotten me in trouble a lot.
Like, I embrace those differences.
There's nothing wrong with the fact that people on that side of the country, they just act different.
They're culturally different.
What they value is a little different.
So again, why is it that we're trying to do this?
That was the problem with COVID, we saw this.
It was a one-size-fits-all approach.
Why are we treating New York?
I mean, at some point it was kind of a shift, but why was New York being treated like Texas?
tim pool
Like it's not the same like they don't have a live even even in New York like upstate versus New York City They're not the same so I'll put it this way man because we've talked about the peaceful divorce scenario It's it's pretty popular a lot in the sense that a lot of people are talking about it And we brought we brought us up a couple times, but I'm I'll say this man they like the left likes to say that the red states will be a third world country and I've talked about how cool is that ancient technologies YouTube channel where the guy builds mud huts and like clay pots and stuff I'm like I'm totally down to build my own little cabin and you know we're talking about getting this massive farmland like open land in West Virginia just so we can build and do our thing use our hands and and have our own space start from scratch
Yeah, Bill just like that sounds fun.
No, I'm not worried about going in New York City I haven't lived in New York City in a couple in several years now.
I got out of there I was like, I don't like you know at a certain point I really liked the idea of being in this dense urban jungle and our concrete jungle and then at a certain point I was like, I can't do anything.
No, you can't you can't do anything.
I couldn't even have a moped I couldn't you couldn't even drive a car.
There's there's you can't even park in Manhattan.
I'm like this sucks.
Yeah You can't get around.
You know, it's really funny.
You know, we're out in the middle of nowhere, but we're still really close to like a good airport and I was worried.
I'm like, man, it's pretty far away.
And then I realized if you live in New York City, if we did this show in New York City and we wanted to fly in a guest, if you were in Brooklyn, for instance, Williamsburg, maybe popular hipster area.
No matter what airport someone lands at, it's like an hour or two hours to get there.
It's only like five or seven miles.
That's how jammed up and congested and awful these cities are.
Sitting in a car in traffic with stoplights, you can't move, ten bucks to go through the tunnel or whatever.
I'm just like, dude, I want to live in the mountains.
eric july
And it's crazy how, considering that, There are actually people that want to move towards a direct democracy where folks in areas like that get to rule over or more so make rules on behalf.
luke rudkowski
They want to get rid of the electoral college.
I think we really have to understand here that collective centralization is psychotic.
I think we just need to understand that it's crazy.
It's insane if you think that one person could know what's best for everyone.
And that's basically the idea of the left, of communists, of more and more progressive leaders that think that they know what's best for you.
And there's two groups of people, the people who believe that and the people who just want to be left alone.
Create two separate territories.
Let people who want to be left alone on this side.
People who don't want to be left alone.
Love the nanny state.
Love being told what to do.
Love getting slapped around.
Like getting their toys taken away.
Like being fined and penalized for living their life like they do.
If you like that, you like dominatrix or whatever, you go to that side of the country.
It's okay.
I don't blame you.
I'm a free mind person.
You do whatever you gotta do.
tim pool
Can't you do this in parts of Mexico?
Like, aren't there places where there's, like, no cops and you can just, like, do your thing?
luke rudkowski
Like in Tehran, yes.
Tehran, I visited there personally.
I did a little small documentary on it on my YouTube channel.
And it's a city of 30,000 people that kicked out the police, kicked out the government, and in doing so, kicked out the cartel.
And it was in one of the most dangerous states, Michoacán, where people were dying more than anywhere else in all of Mexico.
Now, that city, Cherán, is one of the safest places in all of Mexico, even though it's surrounding by all this violence.
And there wasn't a murder there within seven years, ever since they got rid of this.
And they live under a kind of anarchistic system, but they have community meetings and they decide what's best for them as an individual and they are armed to the teeth and the Mexican government keeps trying to disarm them but they say no and they have their own checkpoints literally banning politicians and banning any political slogans any political banners any political stickers if you have a political sticker and you want to enter their town they're going to make you take it off
Wow.
tim pool
Let me give a shout out to those Antifa leftists who are constantly saying very, very similar things.
That you don't need government, that you can live cooperatively and have community meetings and everyone gets by.
But, you know, I'll tell you the one thing that probably made me, like, I've always been fairly libertarian on a lot of policy issues.
Like, look, I'm a skateboarder, so I grew up in the city, and I'm like, skateboarders have a problem with authority, man.
They just want to be left alone.
But I go to West Virginia, and again, like I said, I'm driving around at all these houses everywhere, and I'm like, there's no cops.
None.
None.
I mean, there are sheriffs, I guess.
There are some cops.
But people are saying, oh man, if you call them, it's like an hour before they get here.
Now, I lived in Miami, and it was very much like that.
And the one thing you always hear about, like, where's the crime?
It's like, well, everybody's armed.
In an armed society, it's a pledge.
eric july
That's what they say, right?
luke rudkowski
West Virginia has some of the most Second Amendment-friendly kind of initiatives, more than, I think, you know, than the majority of the United States.
I remember we were driving through it, and I'm like, I haven't seen a police officer once.
And then you started laughing.
Like, yeah, I'm like, this is amazing.
This is awesome.
tim pool
I like this place.
Why doesn't Antifa move to West Virginia, man?
eric july
Well, the thing is, they're frauds, man.
Let's be, I want to be clear.
They are complete frauds.
Those guys are, and I think maybe it does stem from them being so anti-private property
rights, but these guys have no problem with utilizing, like, when we talk about the Antifa
type, so these kind of progressive, uber-progressive claim to be anti, even they throw out the
slogans of defund the police, but really all they wanted to do was replace it with the
woke police.
Be the police.
Yeah, that was more so what it was.
That's what makes them frauds, and this is why I don't ally myself with them.
luke rudkowski
And Chad, there was, like, black children that were shot and killed.
tim pool
Exactly.
Like, where's the outcry?
We, we, we were, uh, Luke and I were downstairs earlier, we're talking about setting up, like, getting this, like, 100 acres.
It's cheap, man!
100 acres in the middle of nowhere West Virginia is not expensive.
Especially if people come in, pool their resources.
And so we're talking about the fun things we can do, what we can build, have all this free space, just be left alone.
And I'm saying, where's the left to go and do this?
You want your commune?
You can build it.
But let me tell you a story.
And you might remember this.
During Occupy Wall Street, I've told this to the audience, you've probably not heard this, someone donated a farm to the occupiers, to the activists.
And so a bunch of these people moved upstate to live on this farm and be self-sufficient, self-sustainable.
And it was a leftist dream, man.
No pollution, no carbon.
You know, they were taking care of the animals and living off the earth.
luke rudkowski
They had collectives where they shared their own food.
tim pool
And guess how long... I'm sure some of the people stayed for a long time.
luke rudkowski
It was a huge territory, by the way.
tim pool
But let me say, of the people I knew at Occupy, how long do you think they lasted?
How long do you think they made it on this farm?
So they moved from the city urban liberals to a farm to live off the earth.
eric july
How long do you think they made it?
I think I'm actually overshooting.
I'm gonna say three months.
tim pool
Two weeks.
Two weeks!
So I had some friends who came back.
I had some friends that were like, we're going to go live on this farm, man.
And they were talking about the banks ripping us off.
They're like, if we're working on the farm and we're growing our own food, we're not getting taxed on that.
They can't take that from us.
And so we're not going to contribute to climate change.
We're not going to contribute to these banks extracting our value.
And we're going to be relying on ourselves.
And then you know what happened when they came back?
I was like, you were gone for two weeks.
Like, what happened?
Wasn't it fun?
And they were like, dude, you wake up at 6am, you go to bed at midnight, and you're working non-stop the whole time.
No days off, never.
And I laughed.
unidentified
And I'm like, what did you think it meant to live on a farm, dude?
tim pool
Did you think you were gonna go there and put your feet up and chew on straws?
Yes, the apples from the tree.
eric july
The answer is yes.
tim pool
Yes.
eric july
The answer is yes.
No, they seriously like.
luke rudkowski
I knew a whole lot.
I knew one or two people there that were good people.
No, they're hard.
tim pool
It people, a bunch of people like totally were.
luke rudkowski
And but I do remember them saying they had this huge territory
and they were recruiting for it hard because no one went.
A few people went.
Two of the people were really great human beings.
And I think that there were some people that did stay on that farm and did eventually start working on the land and stood there a lot longer than two weeks.
But as you said, that doesn't really portray well.
eric july
But that's representative to me with the ideology and what it is that they...
When we talk about it being maybe a pipe dream.
I don't think these guys understand working and we talked about this in yesterday's show about how you know, they don't understand farming.
That's not anything that is even this is why it's so easy for them for someone like in Portland or something like that to just sit up here and say well you guys got all the money.
You guys got all the resources.
Just give us the resources.
They don't understand like How those resources get from point A to point B. That's not even... It's just because they have so easy access, thanks to the market being... We don't have a free market by any means.
It's freer than a lot of other places.
tim pool
You know that song, Money for Nothing?
eric july
Yeah.
tim pool
Money for nothing and the chicks for free.
It's this... My understanding of the song was that the... Was it the Rascal Flats who wrote that?
That they overheard some... Dire Straits.
Dire Straits.
unidentified
What?
lydia smith
Rascal Flats?
tim pool
Yeah, what is that?
Does that say more?
lydia smith
That's a country band.
tim pool
I get that all.
I know you get it.
I have no idea what I'm talking about.
Anyway, apparently there were guys who were watching one of their music videos or something
like this and thought it was easy.
Like everything's always easy.
It reminds me of so many people who think, man, I'm in the wrong business.
I should be on YouTube.
It's so easy.
eric july
These people make so much money.
tim pool
I get that.
eric july
I know you get it.
Oh yeah, it's just easy.
tim pool
I'm like, all right, do it.
eric july
If it's that easy, then they don't.
Then they don't because they don't understand it.
They see the outcome more than anything.
They don't see the fact that you have to work beat on your craft or the grinding.
I was telling my followers today, I don't think y'all understand, Tim wakes up in the morning and gets to work.
Even now, even with him being a successful person, he gets up and he grinds just like we all do.
Come and do us.
You know what I'm saying?
luke rudkowski
We were screaming about just moments ago before we started the show.
I'm like, we got to go to this thing and do the hotel thing January 6th.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
And you're like, no, man, I can't.
I got to work.
And which, you know, you got to respect Tim's work ethic because he works extremely hard.
I got to say that.
But also there's a similar trend with this ideology and people going hungry, whether it's the USSR, China, Venezuela, Zimbabwe.
I'm sorry.
I like to eat.
And a lot of other people like to eat too.
tim pool
I made cookie cupcakes.
And this dude ate all of them.
luke rudkowski
I come from Poland, and in Poland, if there's food on the table, you eat it.
tim pool
If you don't finish it, grandma's gonna hit you with a spoon over your head.
And why is that?
luke rudkowski
Because we went through starvation because of the USSR that literally brought in communism, welfare for the people, we're gonna take care of everyone, you're gonna have to buy everything on a piece of paper that the government mandates, literally starved so many people, and my family went through hell.
eric july
It goes back to what you were saying earlier about why it's so important.
Why do we advocate for freer markets and the division of labor and all of those things that a lot of progressives or communists would generally say is a bad thing.
It's this idea that a group even a group of people is what 330 plus million people in this country like this idea that a handful of people can just dictate how much something must cost how much something uh you know how we can allocate all of these resources for that many amount of people is insane and nowhere in history uh at definitely at well at least at that large of a scale
Has that worked?
You talked about the USSR.
You gotta understand what got them overages and shortages.
It's that central planning or this idea that if we can get a group of people, whether vote elected or someone came down with the iron fist, if we can get a group of people to force you all to give us the stuff and we allocate it, y'all gonna be alright.
luke rudkowski
But you're wrong.
You're wrong.
Where else would Sri Lanka get their speedboats if it wasn't for this system?
Where else would Pakistan get their gender studies?
Where else would there be book clubs in Pakistan and Afghanistan if it wasn't for our system?
Also, surrounding that important news about government spending, there's also a new article That is pretty fascinating.
tim pool
No, but this this this next story ties in exactly what you were just saying about these leftists saying you've got the
resources Just give them to me not realizing all the work that goes
into it So the big news we have now that came out today is that
Mitch McConnell?
First of all, he objected to the $2,000 stimulus bill and everybody's complaining
Oh Mitch McConnell's blocking our stimulus or whatever Mitch McConnell and introduces
$2,000 aid checks bill tied to social media immunity and election fraud
This is really interesting stuff.
Basically, what Mitch McConnell is saying is, I'm not going to give you your blanket $2,000.
You're going to vote for my $2,000, and here's what it says as part of McConnell's bill.
Section 230, the social media immunity law would be repealed, and a commission on election fraud would be created.
The stimulus checks would be increased to $2,000 from the current $600.
Do you think they're going to vote for this?
Because this is interesting stuff.
I've been saying for a while, you know, Trump wants to repeal 230.
I think it's really, really bad.
majority House of Representatives.
McConnell's office was not immediately available for comment, blah blah blah.
Do you think they're going to vote for this?
Because this is interesting stuff.
I've been saying for a while, you know, Trump wants to repeal 230.
I think it's really, really bad.
But some conservatives made some really good points, and I'll tell you why I think it's
bad.
Repealing 230 means that it's the end of social media as we know it.
I think if I was going to be optimistic, this show would probably be fine because YouTube is trying to be like Netflix.
And they like this show.
They seem to like me and the people I associate with or whatever because it's safe, I suppose.
Well, YouTube doesn't seem to have a problem with you being on the show, right?
So here's the point.
If I was gonna, like, pitch something to Netflix, you know, I've actually had a lot of discussions, it's likely they'd probably pick something up.
So YouTube's gonna be like, this is a good show, we can keep this, we're safe.
But they're gonna get rid of all the smaller creators.
Your channel, Eric, might be at risk, because they're gonna be like, we don't know who this guy is, we don't care, and we don't want to get sued for libel and defamation.
So they're gonna get rid of anyone who's not approved.
eric july
Yeah.
tim pool
So I think ultimately it's a bad idea, but what's interesting is a lot of conservatives brought up a really good point.
They said, Tim, we've already been purged.
It's only good for us.
If they get rid of it, if we're out, then so should, like, so I guess the way you put it is, if right now the media companies are favoring progressive ideals and restricting conservatives, then the best thing for conservatives is to nuke the whole system.
Because right now they're losing because of it.
luke rudkowski
Well, I think section 230 is going to be abused, especially under a Biden administration that has many high level tech executives within it.
And of course, they're going to be patting and patting each other on the back and helping each other out.
And of course, the little guys are going to get screwed over and everyone else is going to be allowed to do what they usually do.
Or it's just not going to be enforced like many of the laws that are just there on the books, but they're not really used at all.
So I think that's a probability that we have to understand here as well.
tim pool
I don't know if they'd actually move to repeal it, but I know the Democrats are probably going, oh no, I can't believe they're going to repeal this.
Whatever will we do?
Because like I said, YouTube will allow my show to be around.
And you know what else is going to happen?
Take a look at Netflix.
Take a look at all of these big production companies.
What kind of movies are they making?
They're making Woke, and Far Left, and weird neoliberal whatever.
Yeah, they're making all of this stuff.
So if you get rid of the independent creators, that's what's left.
eric july
We're their competition, though.
I've long talked about that.
This is why channels like mine blew up over the course of the last couple of years because of that.
It's like a lot of folks are tired of that.
They're like, all right, we're being lectured all the time in the movies that we watch, the games that we play, the comic books that we read, and we don't want any of that.
But the issue, though, when we talk about like, I don't know, Uber, like tech companies that take these government, I would encourage you guys to look at that.
I know we talk about corporate welfare all the time, but just go look at how much these guys get in terms of, not even with the taxation, but just with like how they work with the government directly, be it in government contracts.
tim pool
Like these big tech companies.
eric july
Yeah, exactly.
And why it is that they often favor Those more regulatory bodies because they're the ones that benefited we talked about we talked about that last show with I talked about the bail monopoly like that was what would happen They work with the state and then it sounds good.
It's like hey, we're protecting you net neutrality We're protecting you and then it's like no that actually does not benefit you they just worded it in their way This is supposed to benefit you this how the game works Mitch McConnell is coming at repealing 230 and an election fraud investigation from the left.
tim pool
The left argument.
This is really interesting.
Give the people their $2,000 and repeal 230.
That's how they do it.
They give you money.
Now, I think, you know, part of me, I look at the repeal of 230 and, like, imagine if we got rid of social media.
We went back to the era of, like, four or five news channels.
Then you'd have the restoration of many news organizations and a balance of competition between perspectives and a more unified worldview for people in this country.
At least that's the idealistic, utopian vision of what might happen.
In reality, what'll happen is the progressive leftists who have already gone insane from their own platforms, like Jack Dorsey went nuts.
Jack Dorsey's own creation, Twitter, made him crazy.
And I mean it.
You can look at the things he believes and says, and it's a product of the far left swimming in a pool of their own filth.
And then they prop each other up.
The likes create more likes, create more shares, more retweets, and then it spirals out of control, and then he starts believing the refuse coming out of his own platform.
That will be what's left.
There won't be this perfect system of restoring balance and bringing back regular and honest, independent voices.
Nope, it's too late.
There's a split.
I'll tell you this, man.
If they get rid of 230, and it really does result in more censorship and more banning, it would just accelerate everything.
eric july
I think though, when we talk about that and also the other pork though, you know, that we somehow stopped talking about.
tim pool
Pakistani gender studies.
eric july
Yes, all of that stuff.
That's another way in how they pass stuff like that.
You're seeing an example of that.
It's like, how can we get them to focus on that?
Like, okay, they want a little more cash, bam, a little more cash.
And then it's like, all right, well, we'll give them $2,000.
But all of that garbage is still in there, right?
It's still there.
And I don't want to say we're not talking about it, but it's like, oh, hey, we're getting a raise on this free money that we just printed out in there.
But we're not talking about it.
That's how it gets passed.
It's like, if I can get you to focus on that, they do that with titles of bills all the time, where it's like, hey, this is supposed to be this.
And then someone that actually reads the damn bill is like, wait a minute.
That's not what that is, Rand.
That's not what that is.
I actually read this bill.
It doesn't say do exactly this, this, and that.
And they're like, well, he's a racist because he didn't vote for the You Like Black People bill or something like that.
And there's all the type of garbage in it.
Or the Patriot Act.
Yeah.
tim pool
If they took the entire omnibus and just broke it up and spread it around- Automized it.
No, no, no.
I mean, just broke it up and said, we're going to give everyone an equal share.
eric july
Every American, every working American- Oh, you're talking about like in the price point that it's at right now.
tim pool
2.7 trillion or whatever divided by 225 million working Americans, everybody gets like 12 grand.
12 grand!
luke rudkowski
Another thing we need to realize, we need to stop saying that the government is giving us something.
They're not.
They're borrowing it from us, which we're going to have to pay back in taxes or with inflation for us, or our children, or our children's children are going to have to pay for this in one way or another.
eric july
That's guaranteed.
They're stealing from future generations, and this is why we... They're not giving us nothing.
Yeah, they'll devalue what you have right now, and they're selling off assets of unborn people.
That's exactly what they're doing.
And the fact that people are just so okay with that, to me, is what's so freaky about it.
You break it down to them, like, dude, that money is not there.
This whole myth that you think, well, I'm just getting my taxpayer money back.
Your money's gone.
They don't have it.
They don't have it.
They're in the red right now and still spending it.
They don't have your money.
tim pool
This is why we got off the gold standard.
Because they borrowed your money, spent it, and when you asked for it back, they said, here's a piece of paper.
It's good for the money, I swear.
eric july
Exactly.
tim pool
And people were like, all right, I guess.
I don't think you can go back on the gold standard at this point.
A lot of people wanted to.
Didn't Trump try pointing that lady who wanted to get on the gold standard?
luke rudkowski
I wish that would have happened.
tim pool
That would have been hilarious, man.
You know, I just kind of want, like, I don't know if I think the system might be too far gone, but it would be nice to be back on a track where you can understand what's happening.
And we're at this point now where it's this massive Ponzi scheme where they just deficit spend into oblivion, which results in like the interest being higher than the ability to even pay anything back.
So that means there's rapid inflation.
It's a big Ponzi scheme.
And the reason it won't collapse is because they have guns.
luke rudkowski
If Donald Trump was real, he would have appointed Ron Paul to the head of the Federal Reserve.
I talked to Ron, I'm like, Ron, what'd you do?
eric july
Of course he'd do it!
Of course he'd do it Yeah, of course, I know it will, but seriously, guys, it's like trying to get people to, it's like pulling, literally pulling teeth out of people's mouths, man, trying to get them to understand that money's not there.
It's like they don't get it.
I get in these fights with, can I say boomer conservative?
Is that offensive or something like that?
tim pool
That's an H slur.
eric july
Okay, all right.
tim pool
No, you can say I'm kidding.
eric july
All right, yeah, I'm kidding.
Probably is, I don't know.
I'm kidding, yeah.
But no, and I'm talking about Social Security.
And they seriously think, well, if we're going to take away Social Security, then I want my money back.
And I'm like, bro, your money's not there.
The money that you were being taxed, you've been stolen from, which is a decent portion of your check, is gone.
They don't even pretend that it is yours.
What's happening right now is you're living off of the current generation that's going to end up in the same position.
This is why it's a literal Ponzi scheme in that regard.
But people don't understand that and I guess it's because maybe the state has babied them and given them whatever they want.
tim pool
Check this out.
So Luke and I were talking about getting this big farm property and what we could do if we had like our own cryptocurrency And it's like, we want people to come and contribute and
help us build stuff.
And I'm like, how do you actually create value in a currency?
How do you actually convince people it's worth something if you can just print it out of thin air?
Why would anyone be like, oh, I want some of that?
Why are you just going to keep printing it?
No one's going to want any from me.
luke rudkowski
Well, for the background, we were talking about creating two kinds of civilizations.
No, that was a short joke.
One with a lot of government, one with no government.
And we're going to think of ways how to make currencies.
We were talking about cryptocurrencies and using some kind of way to create value.
One idea I had was to make one working hour a value token that people could use and trade within the community.
That's what some local communities in Breaking Ridge have started to do.
tim pool
Right, right, right, but listen, listen, but the problem is, so first, the context is, like, doing some kind of show where we're like, who would succeed?
Regulation versus no regulation.
And the problem with that idea of the hour is if someone can just print the money arbitrarily, then why would I do work for your currency if you're not working and just printing it out and getting whatever you want from me?
luke rudkowski
That's what's happening right now.
tim pool
I know!
luke rudkowski
You just described American fiscal policy.
eric july
Good job, Tim!
tim pool
That's why I complain to people when they're like, just print more!
When Rand Paul comes out and he's like, why not $20,000?
Why not UBI?
And I'm like, yes!
People don't get it.
You can't just do that.
That's true.
eric july
But that's why, and it's funny you guys are having that conversation though, that's exactly why it's important that the market be free enough for folks that are even smarter than everybody that's at the table right now to be able to figure that out and answer that sort of question.
This is why people acting freely is so important because we don't got a lot of answers.
There's actually these very, very arrogant Uh, it's not just progressives, but you know, it's it's especially progressives that are very arrogant enough to think that they have the all the answers and because they can't it's one of the biggest criticisms of what maybe Luke and I more so believe in is that well they figure well I can't I can't possibly like conceive an idea or see that world actually come into fruition and I'm like
How arrogant of you to think you're the smartest person to ever live that just because you can't see that being done, it just can't be done at all.
luke rudkowski
And it's kind of funny.
Sorry, Ian, go ahead.
ian crossland
Yeah, what we could do in a community is we each print our own crypto.
And then so if you wanted me to do something for you, it would be five tokens.
You would give me five tokens or I would give you five tokens for your product.
But if I gave you if I paid you an Eric coin, I only had to give you four tokens.
So the value then would it would create a value system for all these different currencies that we'd start inter trading like I would give you five tokens for four if you're going to give me Eric token so that we we still make a we still come out even except you get an extra token out of it.
So, and then you're gonna, you're gonna still get tokens for your labor and get paid, um, and then they could pay you five tokens of else.
Uh, I think that would, that would be how you would do it.
eric july
See, like this, and the fact that I love we have in this conversation, cause these are the conversation that innovators have, right?
And these are, these are, these are, and this is why it's so important for the market to be free enough so we can have that conversation.
The state says, well, I have the smartest people on my team.
Therefore, what I say has to go.
Never mind if it hasn't worked.
Never mind if it's possibly the most dumbest idea.
It doesn't matter.
I have the monopoly on law.
luke rudkowski
Well, this is the important thing.
When we're moving towards an ideology, We're moving away towards a merit-based society.
And whenever we see governments, whether Germany in World War II or the USSR before World War I, whenever they push ideology more than they do merit, there's always a lot of destruction because there's always a controlling of individuals, not based on their intelligence, not based on their skills, but based on their obedience to the state.
And it's interesting that they call themselves, you know, individuals call themselves progressives, when in human history, you look at innovation Progression.
It's made when there's very little government.
eric july
Absolutely.
luke rudkowski
And then these individuals who want more government are calling themselves progressives?
That to me is just mind-boggling.
It just shows you that we're kind of living in a 1984 double-speak world where words have double meanings now.
tim pool
The left, I think it was Cenk Uygur who said this, the progressives always win, that the left always wins.
And a lot of people corrected him saying, no, liberty always wins.
A lot of these issues people talk about, going back to like the fight for freedom of speech in the Vietnam era, was about liberty, individual rights.
Civil rights, gay marriage, all that stuff has always been about individual liberties and the rights of the individual to do things.
It's not been about your authority as governor of New York to shut down the economy, destroy people's lives, and put up checkpoints around your city to make sure nobody comes in.
That almost sounds like you're just separating yourself from the rest of this country.
We talked about divorce before.
A lot of these places are already doing it.
I want to move on to this subject.
Of what happens when people finally have had enough.
Because we did mention this a little bit earlier in the show.
What happens when people have nothing left to lose?
What happens when we start seeing more and more videos of people who are desperate?
We see these stories about the woman beating the cop with the baton because she didn't want to wear a mask.
People are angry, and they don't care.
You guys ever hear that story about the dude who walks into a bank?
And here's a note.
The note is a robbery.
He's demanding one dollar.
He threatens him and says, give me a dollar or else.
Then he goes and sits down.
And he waits for the cops to come and arrest him.
You know why?
Because he had cancer and he was going to die.
And he said, it's the only way I can get treatment.
That's why he did it.
And the left likes to bring it up, saying, that's how messed up our healthcare system is.
I'm like, I don't think that's a good example of how messed up our healthcare system is.
But I do think it's interesting that our prisoners get better healthcare than, say, like this old guy.
So that's an interesting point.
But this dude was desperate.
So desperate, he did a staged kind of robbery to go to prison.
What happens when people have nothing left to lose and they don't care about prison?
eric july
Yeah, no, that's when the violence happens, right?
When people are down and out.
I think a lot of people have taken for granted that stability.
I know a lot of folks, especially progressives, talk about change and hope and stuff like that.
Believe it or not, a lot of people don't want that.
A lot of people are comfortable being able to see exactly where they're at and where they're going to be able to go.
It's when you get that sort of unfamiliarity Where people are like, I don't know when the next check's gonna come.
I don't know when, if I'm going to be able to pay the next bill.
And then that's when they start to erupt.
tim pool
Well, here's the news.
Ex-Pence aide turned Trump critic, very concerned about January 6th violence.
So this hotel, Hotel Harrington, announces they're shutting down for three days when this DC event is supposed to happen.
And apparently it's because the Washington Post claimed the Proud Boys were using it as a headquarters.
The Proud Boys apparently came out and said, that's not true, we haven't used that place for months.
And they're saying now, on January 6th, Proud Boys are going to be showing up in plain clothes, not wearing their iconic shirts, and some of them are going to be dressed like Antifa.
So there's very serious concern that there's actual planning going into what's going to happen.
I think one of the biggest mistakes, you know, I was thinking about this, one of the biggest mistakes Proud Boys could make is going and fighting with Antifa.
Right now, I don't think that matters.
I don't think Trump supporters' fights are with Antifa.
It's with the establishment government and the Democrats.
Antifa's biggest mistake would be going and fighting with Trump supporters.
You know, it's a really interesting thing.
When I see, there was a funny post by Shu Unhead.
You know Shu?
eric july
Yeah.
tim pool
She posted, uh, people, I think it was in, uh, I can't remember what state it was.
Do you know where this was where they're setting up the guillotine in front of the politician's house or whatever?
luke rudkowski
I think that was in Mexico, wasn't it?
tim pool
Yeah, it was in Mexico, I think.
And she said, cons, this could be us marching to Congress together or whatever.
And I said, when, when Trump's out of the White House, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
It's gonna start looking real good to a lot of people.
eric july
Yeah, I mean, I get that.
My thing is though and why I know a lot of folks rag on me because I say I will not ally with these types because I know my next is my my back against the wall.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
And they gonna put me up against it because ultimately it's about that's why I don't want to have them using me as my useful idiots.
But we got to talk about that though, because it's a legitimate concern.
But I also think it's a lot of Leftists, over this course of this last year, have been trying to, for the sake of legitimizing their own bad behavior, trying to say that the other side would do what it is that they would do.
Now keep in mind what all they've been doing for the past, I don't know, months, right?
Definitely this year, of course, maybe we can talk about what's happened before that, but let's just focus on what happened post-George Floyd, where you're talking about hundreds of spots Riding.
And in some cases where you go in like the Portland's and the Seattle's of the world,
you're talking about months at a time, right? That they were just at riding,
acting up. So the reason why they do that is so they can say, Hey,
look at them and what they do. Right. Look at, look at them when to,
to basically to try to absolve them of the bad behavior.
I think it's likely more likely.
Let's say don't say likely, but I think it's more likely that they would have that you probably see a first big powwow with guys that are quote-unquote on the right but more so with the police because They're they're more direct when they protest.
This is why you don't see when you generally they go do their thing.
You don't really go see uh, Wendy's get burnt down or something like that.
Generally when the when the quote-unquote right links up that generally doesn't really have they're more precise with what it is they do.
So I get the desperation but that desperation may have them more so turning on the and maybe I'm just being an audio log right now.
But that desperation may have them actually looking to the people who, the police, more than anything.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
I don't think Trump supporters, they're planning on going to D.C., setting up tents, occupying, and protesting, shutting things down.
I think it's gonna get pretty big.
I mean, you got this guy going on MSNBC saying, you know, it's gonna get violent and I'm really worried about this hotel shutting down.
Man, that's a crazy signal.
But what do you think's going to happen?
You think Antifa are going to be the ones blocking the Trump supporters from having their protest?
It's going to be the police.
eric july
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
And you think Trump supporters are going to be like, okay, officer, we're not going to protest against the president.
unidentified
Not anymore.
eric july
They've done that for a while and they know that that's not worked.
That's not been effective.
tim pool
Listen, when Trump was tweeting Antifa bad and the cops were fighting Antifa, they had the Trump supporters, the Proud Boys, everybody at their back saying, do it, we got your back.
Now the people blocking the Trump supporters are the cops and the cops are saying, get out of my way.
I'm here for Trump, not for you.
eric july
Yeah.
tim pool
So I'm curious, I wonder how likely the possibility is that you get the cops fighting two different groups on two different fronts.
eric july
That's interesting.
tim pool
It'll be really different, but I wouldn't be surprised because we've already seen right-wing groups fighting with cops.
Not nearly as bad as how the left does it.
eric july
But that was unheard of though.
That's why it's important to notate that because that's like, Not a thing.
Even back when the Tea Party thing was going down, like, it wasn't... You may had a skirmish here and there, but for the most part, that was not what happened.
tim pool
Could you imagine if there's, like, a guy with a Trump flag, and he's yelling at a cop, and there's an Antifa guy 10 feet away?
eric july
Whoever gets that photo is gonna be a millionaire.
tim pool
But they're both yelling at cops, and the Antifa guy looks over and sees a Trump supporter yelling at the cop, and then he's like, I'm not gonna get involved in that.
And he keeps yelling.
He's like, I'm gonna ignore that.
He's not gonna... Normally, the Antifa guys wanna go fight the Proud Boys.
The Proud Boys wanna go fight Antifa.
But what happens when They're both protesting the government.
It's going to be interesting because I think one of the problems is tribalism and both sides are trying to use any ally to get control of the White House.
The problem is for the left, you see Donald Trump, the establishment Republicans don't like him, but they'll wait.
They'll stand there and say, okay, fine.
Well, Trump's in charge.
We'll bide our time.
Trump supporters just want Trump.
So that creates a good bit of unity between Republicans willing to just say OK to Trump and Trump supporters who are fighting for Trump.
On the left, the Antifa people are like, yeah, yeah, we'll fight with you to get rid of Trump, but we're not supporting Biden.
There's no unity on the left over who their candidate is.
So they're in a weakened position.
So if the fight is against Joe Biden and Trump's gone, then Antifa's not going to be fighting with the right, they're going to be fighting the cops.
And then the Trump supporters aren't going to be fighting with Antifa because they're And that's the interesting thing.
eric july
I don't know if that's going to be a thing that's going to happen because I feel like I saw too many times where they kind of During the Obama presidency, I don't know if they've gotten amped up enough to maybe go back on that, but during the Obama presidency, there were a lot of instances in which they could have went that route, and they decided not to.
In fact, when it came to the riding, that was one of the things that Obama certainly was, he had no issue coming out and being like, okay, y'all need to stop.
When the Ferguson thing and all of that stuff went down, he had no issue being like, okay, y'all are being stupid.
luke rudkowski
People need to remember, Occupy Wall Street started under Obama.
Major riots across the United States started under Obama.
Today I sent out a meme with a young girl with a Biden hat saying, thank you for saving us.
And then Biden is there looking at her in disgust saying, I'm literally going to do everything Trump did.
And we have to understand Biden is the epitome of the establishment.
When you look at his cabinet, when you look at his administration, he has Goldman Sachs.
He has large tech executives.
He has executives from all the worst possible elements of the corporatist world possible.
People are going to get a very rude awakening to who he really is, the policies he sets forward, and when he gets into office, he's not going to serve you, he's going to serve the special interests that put him in there, and when he does that, especially with all the civil unrest we've been seeing, it's been brewing, it's been building up, I think it would be naive To think that there's going to be peace civilly in the United States coming forward from here.
tim pool
This is why the Democrats rely on low information voters.
It's why they want the voting age to be 16.
Because these people who are in their 20s who voted for Biden aren't old enough to remember Joe Biden killing kids in foreign countries and Obama's extrajudicial assassinations.
luke rudkowski
Dumb people are also, let's be honest here, more violent.
So when you have a whole bunch of dumb, violent people getting angry, you're brewing a recipe for disaster.
eric july
Yeah, no, they were there useful idiots.
I mean, we saw that with Black Lives Matter not getting a seat at the table at their little civil rights.
It's more of the civil, like the establishment civil rights guys that were linking up with Biden and Black Lives Matter didn't get a seat at the table and they were all frustrated.
Like, we demand a seat.
And I was like, like, dude, they've been using y'all for useful idiots for the last, I don't know, How long?
It's not like they care.
Did y'all not understand much of what y'all... Y'all didn't get much... Y'all didn't get anything out of Biden pres... Excuse me, out of an Obama presidency.
What makes you think that you will be prioritized?
They may campaign on that, but what makes you think they're gonna prioritize you once they get in?
tim pool
But I'll tell you, we talk about dumb, violent people, right?
There's actually a better way to predict if someone's gonna be violent.
Do they got anything to lose?
Well, a lot of these young people don't.
They got no jobs, they got no family, and they're in debt.
eric july
Yeah, a worthless degree.
tim pool
Worthless degree.
Now they're seeing all this violence.
Look at the George Floyd riots.
People are locked up in their concrete cubicles that smell like sour milk in New York City.
eric july
Perfect storm.
tim pool
And so we had the comedian, Ryan Long.
Let me finish.
We had this comedian, Ryan Long, on the show.
And he was talking about when the protests and the riots started happening, he was like, well, I can go outside now, right?
A lot of these people in New York don't have kids.
So they go to jail.
So what?
They lose their job.
Well, it doesn't matter, right?
They're angry.
They have nothing to lose.
Well, now we have Trump supporters and regular people whose businesses no longer exist.
They can't feed their kids even if they want to.
They got nothing left to lose.
And so that's when people...
luke rudkowski
Another kind of vague scientific term brought up here is that also people who don't get laid also are more violent.
lydia smith
Very true.
luke rudkowski
And we have seen also a huge increase of the use of OnlyFans and also other online adult stores.
Is that true?
tim pool
People who don't get laid get violent?
luke rudkowski
Yes.
Yes.
That's one of the big predictions.
It's your intelligence.
It's not only your intellect, but also your social intelligence, your social IQ that also matters.
tim pool
And if you're not getting some, you're going to have to Release that pent-up energy somewhere else if you look at someone like the Portland mugshots you can kind of There's that meme about male feminists like they're predators reset the clock and it's because a lot of these guys think in order to get with a woman they got a Pretend to be a feminist.
eric july
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
And oh, I'm I'm so feminist to look at me and then the women don't respect them.
Oh And then they get angry when the woman won't hook up with them.
And then we get all these stories, story after story of these male feminists turn out to be rapists or abusers.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, creepers.
The biggest creeps are the ones pretending to be something that they're not.
And they're always saying, but they're like, but I said everything she wants me to hear.
She's, I'm doing all that.
And like, what do you think people don't respect you patronizing them? And this is the whole thing when it comes
to the whole Black Lives Matter. There's so many examples of
this. There's so many initiatives by the establishment by the elites for you not to be a true genuine person for
you to be corporate replicas of what they want you to be and go
that it's leading to dysfunction.
And this dysfunction is a byproduct of this curated algorithm, of this mainstream media, of this entertainment industry that is shaping people's minds to be destructive.
Because when you're destructive, you of course are going to have to be obedient to the big overlord that is going to beat you over the head and tell you exactly what to do.
tim pool
Here's what you need to do.
You need to eat right.
You need to exercise.
You need to meditate.
You need to take care of yourself, focus on yourself, and think.
eric july
You need to get some.
tim pool
But, but, no, listen, listen, listen.
Yes, but if you start with improving yourself.
Let's, like, there's a lot of people, you know, we were talking about, you know, how good it feels to, like, to be, to take care of yourself.
People don't realize, and I was reading this post on Reddit about being fit and being, and having, you know, exercising, that a lot of people don't like exercising, right?
What they don't realize, these people who don't exercise, is that if you exercise consistently,
you feel good all the time.
You wake up feeling like a million bucks, you're like, oh, you could like,
you feel like you could punch a bear in the face and the bear would run away.
You know, you're like, ah, you feel great.
But these people don't take care of themselves.
The first thing you gotta do, take care of yourself, do some exercise, eat better food, portion control,
stop, think, read, meditate, study yourself, analyze yourself, be honest with yourself,
Because then you're gonna be a nice, well-rounded person.
unidentified
Good point.
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
Sensory deprivation?
we were talking about maybe highlighting the vlog on having a vlog about bettering yourself.
We were talking about maybe doing ice baths and saunas and we're getting a workout.
tim pool
Sensory deprivation.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, yeah.
So we're talking about doing all that stuff a part of a vlog and to just be examples of
trying to be the best version of ourselves.
eric july
But that's what progressives like definitely the mainstream ones.
That's not what they want.
You know what I mean?
And this is why they actually shun those who try to put some sort of responsibility and accountability in the individual, right?
And it's obviously in all the policies that they advocate that, hey, you don't better yourself, be destructive, be dysfunctional.
Uh and we will give you this and you know the minute you start trying to show some uh you know shed some light you we're gonna strip everything away from you so like I said in yesterday's show they incentivize you to fail progressive policies and why they advocate what it is that they advocate you need to look at the fact that what are they scared of why are they so scared of people being free why are they so scared of liberty and and who who who protects these ideas the academia Uh, and educational elites.
And why is it that they don't place the emphasis on, okay, instead of the state or this group of people moving your world, can you move your world for you?
luke rudkowski
Did you just fat shame me, Eric?
eric july
I did.
I'm not one of those body positive guys.
tim pool
But think about the body positivity stuff.
They're basically saying you don't need to change.
The world needs to change for you.
Think about how narcissistic that is.
ian crossland
It's not progressive either.
luke rudkowski
And insane.
It's destroying the whole health, the medical industry with overloading it with individuals who think it's good to be unhealthy.
eric july
Yeah, and then they want free health care.
tim pool
How do you combine universal health care with people encouraging you to be out of shape?
eric july
Unbelievable.
tim pool
It's healthy at every size.
luke rudkowski
I think it's absolutely hilarious to have the people who talk about fat phobia also telling you to wear a mask.
eric july
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
There's a contradiction there that people need to realize is happening there.
tim pool
No, you're wrong.
You're wrong.
luke rudkowski
Go ahead.
tim pool
The people who are dying of COVID are the overweight people.
eric july
Yeah.
tim pool
They want you to wear a mask because they're the ones who are going to die.
eric july
So what it is, what it is, and then go to that point, what it is is again, they don't want to be responsible for themselves.
They want you to be responsible for them.
tim pool
Listen, Eric, you got to wear a mask because if you choose to go outside, you might, you might get me sick when I go outside.
eric july
When you go outside, right.
That's exactly what happened.
But no, like accountability is, for me, that's been liberating.
That's one of the most liberating things that, that when I had my political awakening, you know, and, and one of the most, the things that I realized, Being accountable for my actions and being responsible.
That's the trade-off with freedom.
You don't have that government guarantee.
It's not even a safety net.
It's what it is.
It's encouraging you to not be great.
One of those things that I realized was that there are things that are within my power.
I would always go out of my way To find even in failure, right?
If I did if I wanted to achieve something and I didn't I always look to what could I have done to better my situation?
I say this was athlete.
I got my tail.
I remember getting my like getting a doze blowed off of me.
My first freshman year track meet East of Kentucky was where was that?
I thought I was the you know, I had state qualifier coming from Texas 5 5 a.m.
Like oh, yeah, I'm it first indoor.
I never ran into a track first indoor track meet.
I got the doors blowed off of me, right?
And it was it was and instead of you know, looking at okay.
Well, it's it's it's indoor.
I suck indoors I can't run indoors.
I had to look at it from a standpoint if I wanted to get better And over the course of my track my collegiate track career was okay What was it that I did?
Was I in my dry phase too long?
Did I come out of my dry phase too early?
Little stuff like that to try to improve my life.
But that's not what people want.
What people want is for someone else to promise them that we will make your life better.
You just be a loser for all they care.
You are not going to be held accountable for your actions.
You are not going to be held responsible, and that can be said for a multitude of different things.
This is one of the hard things that people don't want to discuss when we talk about poverty.
They always talk about folks in poverty as if they are the only ones, like they got there by way of some, I don't know, white man sitting around the corner pulling the strings, and they made them be poor.
I've seen people ruin their own lives that are in that pop-up, that poverty population.
tim pool
This is what I think is funny, you know?
Look, I always thought about people who play, say, like, World of Warcraft, and they make a character a hunter.
And they go on quests.
And I'm like, why don't you just, you know, like, go hunt?
Like, be a real hunter.
And I look at these video games where people play a character and they get that dopamine reward.
They're not improving themselves, but I understand there's a real career in playing games.
eric july
Absolutely.
tim pool
I'm not disparaging that.
But I think, like, wouldn't, you know, for me, I don't like watching people do things.
I like doing things.
I guess some people like watching, but for me, it's like, wouldn't you rather go out to that field and actually go hunt the boars?
eric july
Well, no, I mean, when you talk about gaming, at least with me, I think that That kind of accessibility, I talk about this all the time, that's ruining gaming too.
All these mediums are being ruined by this concept that we see this in the fighting game community, where people are fighting the games that got too hard, taking away the combos because they want everybody to be able to fight.
tim pool
Have you played Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite?
eric july
Yes.
tim pool
I threw that game in the trash.
I grew up playing Marvel vs. Capcom.
For those not familiar, it's a fighting arcade game, and when you're playing, right, there's some... Eric, you've played Marvel vs. Capcom 2.
You do air combos.
eric july
Yes.
tim pool
You jump up, you land in front of the bad guy, you're your opponent, you press down and fierce punch to knock him in the air, and then you gotta do a combination of light-medium punches to do your air combo.
And then I get Marvel vs. Capcom Infinite, the new version.
I'm all excited.
It was a few years ago.
And I put it in, and the only thing you gotta do is press circle over and over again.
One button.
And I was like, I'm not even playing.
And he jumps for you, it's all automatic.
I'm like, it's not a game anymore, dude!
What is it?
luke rudkowski
I just deleted it.
We're doing a running competition tomorrow.
We're putting it on my Instagram up the hill here.
And one thing I wanted to add to what you were saying is they don't want you great.
They don't want you free.
They don't want you independent.
Because when you are, you can't be subjugated.
And who is they?
That's the name of the game and a lot of people have been brainwashed, have been tricked,
have been conditioned, have been programmed to accept their obedience to individuals that
take advantage of them and screw them over.
tim pool
And who is they?
The aliens.
Moving on to the next story.
luke rudkowski
We finally get to talk about the aliens.
I'm kidding.
tim pool
Today is not really the aliens, but you guys can't see this video, but I don't know if you guys saw this.
In West Virginia, there was a weird UFO spotted in the sky that looked like, people are saying it's a UFO crashing to earth because there's like flames coming out of it.
Check out this video.
So this video was uploaded on the 27th.
UFO crashing to Earth, caught on camera in West Virginia.
Now, a lot of people have said, it's easily explained.
What you're looking at is the contrails of a jet reflected in the sunlight.
The issue is, the trails end.
If you look up these sunset contrails, I don't know, this channel is ghosts that hunt baggers on.
If you look up contrails from a jet in the sunlight, you'll see there's like, it looks like fire.
But the water vapor that comes out of the planes stays there.
In this video, it's really weird.
It looks like there's two distinct streaks of fire coming out of some weird object in the middle.
Nobody knows what it is so far.
A lot of people are saying it's an airplane.
I don't know for sure, but I got good news for everybody.
Because we have this omnibus bill, right?
Now all of a sudden people are like, look, I'm here for aliens, man.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Omnibus bill.
Okay, hold on, hold on.
5,500 page bill gets sent to Congress and somebody snuck in, I'm assuming they snuck it in, a provision in this ridiculous bill nobody read, a provision mandating that the Pentagon reveal their information on UFOs.
At least they got that.
There's so many things that could have gone into this.
I don't know how these government bills work where no one reads it but someone knows what they put in there.
How does that work?
eric july
What if the aliens are writing a bill?
tim pool
How does this bill work?
Do I get to write a provision saying I get a million dollars and just slide it in?
Nobody reads it and they vote for it?
eric july
Basically.
tim pool
So why doesn't anybody do that?
luke rudkowski
Whoever slid that in, thank you so much.
I appreciate you very much, and we need more of you.
Now, will a lying government tell us the truth about aliens?
Well, that's a whole nother issue.
tim pool
Well, let's see what they say over at New York Post.
They say, President Trump's signature Sunday on the $2.3 trillion COVID-19 relief and government funding bill started a 180-day countdown for the Pentagon and spy agencies to say what they know about UFOs.
The provision received very little attention in part because it wasn't included in the text of
the 5593 page legislation, but as a committee comment attached to the annual intelligence
authorization act, which was rolled into the massive bill.
The Senate intelligence committee chaired by Marco Rubio said in a comment, it directs the
director of national intelligence and consultation with the secretary of defense and the
heads of such other agencies to submit a report within 180 days of the date of the enactment of
the act to congressional intelligence and armed service committees on unidentified aerial
phenomena.
The report must address observed airborne objects that have not been identified, and should include a detailed analysis of unidentified phenomena data collected by A. Geospatial Intelligence, B. Signals Intelligence, C. Human Intelligence, and D. Measurement and Signals Intelligence.
The report must also contain detailed analysis of data of the FBI, which was derived from investigations of intrusions of unidentified aerial phenomena data, Overrestricted United States airspace and an assessment of whether this unidentified aerial phenomena activity may be attributed to one or more foreign adversaries.
Well, if they didn't include aliens, then does the Pentagon just not get to tell us if it is?
Because they put foreign adversaries.
They say former Pentagon and legislative officials confirmed Tuesday to the publication that the package begins the clock on UFO disclosures.
So there's a lot more.
Here's a quote from, we got this guy, Chris Mellon, former Deputy Assistant Director of Defense Intelligence, told The Debrief, the newly enacted Intelligence Authorization Act incorporates the Senate Intelligence Committee's report language calling for an unclassified all-source report on UAP phenomenon.
This was accomplished in the joint explanatory statement accompanying the bill.
Assuming the executive branch honors this important request, the nation will at long last have an objective basis for assessing the validity of the issue and its national security implications.
This is an extraordinary and long overdue opportunity.
So I want to go back to that image of that weird UFO that looks like it's on fire and crashing down Earth.
What is it?
We won't know, but maybe we'll find out soon, huh?
eric july
I don't know, man.
Do y'all believe it's aliens in general?
I don't know.
tim pool
I don't think it's aliens.
unidentified
No.
eric july
You don't think it is?
luke rudkowski
I believe in aliens.
I don't know if that is aliens specifically, but after talking to some high-level government officials that have personally told me that aliens do exist, yes, I personally do believe.
eric july
Do you think they're here, though?
luke rudkowski
I think so, yes.
Not in this room, specifically.
unidentified
Are you sure?
luke rudkowski
I mean, again, we can't definitively prove this without a shadow of a doubt.
There is some circumstantial evidence that I think is somewhat convincing, but this year we have to also understand that there have been a lot of government admissions when it comes to aliens.
This is not the first time that this subject was brought up.
We have learned this year that the government lied about a secret Pentagon unit that they said never existed.
That's tracking a lot of this stuff.
So they actually are doing something.
They do have some data.
Will they share it with the American public?
That's another thing.
But I think it's probable to believe that something else is out there.
Do I have definitive proof?
No, I do not.
tim pool
But isn't witness testimony circumstantial evidence?
Yes, it's circumstantial.
What's that dude in Canada?
luke rudkowski
Um, he's the former defense minister of Canada.
I gotta look up his name to tell you.
tim pool
And he said, yup, they're aliens.
And then you got the Israeli Space Security Agency guy saying the same thing this year.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, the former head of the Israeli space program came out and said very similar things to what the former minister of defense for Canada said, is that there's an alien federation, that there's aliens trying trying to keep the peace galactic federation.
tim pool
And so I was thinking something I was I was I was playing my PS5 the other day right?
And there's this game I saw a trailer for I think it's called stray.
And I guess I don't the game is about I should play cat.
But yeah, when you see it and on the wall it says rip humans.
And then the people are actually all robots.
And I thought about like what would happen if humans created a bunch of robots do tasks then humans died off.
What would those robots do?
lydia smith
Just keep going.
tim pool
And I'm like, what if aliens created humans, but then left, and now humans are like, that's why we're like, what are we, what's our purpose?
We don't know.
We have all these crazy philosophical questions.
And the reality is, we just don't have one.
You know?
The aliens came, made humans left, because they didn't need to use human labor anymore.
And now they're chillin', watching, being like, what are they doing?
They're like, building cities?
Why?
lydia smith
I have the same question with this one that I had with the one that happened in China.
You know, it apparently crashed down to the earth.
Why don't we go to the site and see if we can find any pieces of it?
Did the whole thing burn up?
Is there absolutely no evidence left?
Like, why can't we find some kind of something to tell us what it might have been?
Because if it was just a jet, it's up in the air.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I think we should begin at start telling us what was there.
lydia smith
Right.
luke rudkowski
Start giving us the evidence and proof of what was actually there and then let the people decide themselves.
You don't have to tell us who, what, where and what specifically you think happened.
Just show us exactly what happened.
And I think that level of transparency, that level of accountability is dearly needed within our government.
And I mean, this is something I personally want.
I was there at the Storm Area 51 protest.
Eagerly.
Waiting.
Livestreaming.
And it was like a cheap man's Burning Man.
unidentified
Boo.
luke rudkowski
But I'm still shocked how we went from storm area 51 in one year to social distance, stay home to stop the curve or whatever in just a matter of a year.
tim pool
I'm gonna tell you guys a crazy story.
Do you guys ever hear about the O'Hare Airport UFO?
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
So, I worked for American Eagle Airlines.
It's a regional airline for American Airlines from 2004 to 2006.
And then shortly after I quit, a bunch of people working at the airport saw a UFO come down from the clouds and hover in place for a few minutes and then shoot straight back up to the clouds, punching a hole in it.
Everybody at the airport saw it.
Everybody working saw it.
So I knew a bunch of people who still worked there.
I had friends who worked there, and they were like, dude, we saw it.
It was crazy.
I knew one dude who said, so there's a road outside of O'Hare Airport called Mannheim Road.
And my friend said, people in their cars were stopped, like, waiting at the light.
And then when it came down from the sky, people got out of their cars and were just staring at it.
Like, just like watching it.
This is before the era of, you know, like the iPhone and a lot of smartphones.
Some people had phone cameras.
And so there was a pilot who looked out his window and he took a picture of it.
And the photo actually exists on Google.
You can pull it up.
It's difficult to find because a bunch of people made fake photos.
And it's a real bummer, but the real photo, you can still find it.
And you can faintly see it.
The crazy thing is, where are all these people that got out of their cars on Mannheim Road and just stood there staring at this UFO?
And then they said it was a weather phenomenon.
And I knew people who worked at the airport.
They were like, dude, no way.
Like it came down and hovered and you could see it.
And then it shot, sort of punched a hole in the cloud.
What was that?
ian crossland
Magnetic craft.
tim pool
Magnetic craft?
ian crossland
Aluminum, maybe.
Lightweight.
Yeah, I would imagine.
tim pool
You're actually describing what the UFO was?
ian crossland
Yeah, like a fusion power source from being moved around by a magnet or something.
lydia smith
So did aliens.
ian crossland
No, it's human.
unidentified
Oh!
ian crossland
It's Tesla tech.
luke rudkowski
Could be, yeah.
I mean there's many people with many different beliefs.
There's religious people who are talking about demons and other kind of energetic entities out there.
There's of course conspiracy theorists who are saying UFOs, aliens.
There's other conspiracy theories saying that this is advanced government technology that they're keeping away from the people.
There's many different belief systems out there, but I think, again, we should start with the government telling us the truth and stop classifying and hiding information from the general public.
I think that's a great start.
ian crossland
The problem is, yeah, but Flapper lied under oath blatantly.
Under oath.
luke rudkowski
And they lie about everything.
ian crossland
Yeah, so I have zero faith.
eric july
So what would you, yeah, like, even if they did come out and say, and I think that's, they know that, right?
luke rudkowski
They don't have to say anything, just show us what happened.
eric july
Yeah, well, that's the thing, though.
luke rudkowski
Stop hiding.
eric july
Who knows what that's gonna be though, you know?
The way they approach it is that they're not... I don't think they're completely oblivious to the fact that, okay, if we say that something is going to happen, they don't trust us enough to tell the truth, right?
So, like, is it even if they came out with something, said this is what it was, it was an alien?
tim pool
The fear is that if aliens revealed themselves to us, the world would tear itself apart.
And I hear a lot of people who... Hold on.
People in America might be able to accept it.
People in the U.S.
might be like, wow, I guess aliens are real.
eric july
We can accept, like, there's, like, lizard people.
tim pool
But we already are tearing each other apart.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
What about other cultures and other countries that are way more fundamentalist and would go insane and press the nuke button and just go nuts?
luke rudkowski
I don't think that would happen.
tim pool
Of course.
You think everyone in the world would be like, oh, aliens are real and start holding hands and singing under the
rainbow?
No, no, I'll tell you what would happen.
The aliens would come here and then everyone would be in competition to get access to that technology.
luke rudkowski
Of course.
tim pool
Imagine if they already are.
luke rudkowski
This is why China built one of the largest kind of satellites in the world trying to read signals from outer
unidentified
space.
ian crossland
It's a weird argument because it's like if dogs could talk, people would go crazy.
So maybe dogs can talk.
tim pool
What do you mean?
ian crossland
Well, I mean, are you purporting that there's aliens?
Because if there were, they wouldn't have revealed themselves?
tim pool
If aliens reveal themselves, the world will tear itself apart.
That's one of the fears of aliens.
ian crossland
That's not an argument for there being aliens, because if dogs could talk, the world would rip itself apart.
unidentified
If people could fly, but they never flew... Ian, what are you talking about?
ian crossland
If I could levitate, but I never levitated... What does that have to do with anything?
Well, are you making the argument that there might be aliens because if they revealed themselves they would drive people crazy so they're not revealing themselves?
tim pool
No, I'm saying there is a fear that if the government did tell us the truth and revealed to the world aliens existed, it could cause international conflict.
ian crossland
But if the government told us that dogs could talk, it might also make international... Except they can't.
tim pool
What do you mean?
And there's no aliens.
And what does dogs talking have to do with light speed travel and ion cannons and teleportation?
ian crossland
You're creating like, you're suggesting like a... Dogs talking... A near impossibility might be real.
tim pool
No it isn't.
ian crossland
Aliens visiting Earth is like a 0.0000002% chance.
tim pool
Actually, you're totally wrong!
Do you know what Fermi's Paradox is?
The actual likelihood that intelligent life exists in the universe is substantially high.
ian crossland
I believe that.
tim pool
And so there's questions as to why we're not encountering them.
ian crossland
Because they're far away.
tim pool
One of them is called, I think it's called the Great Zoo Hypothesis.
That they treat the Earth like a forest preserve and ignore it.
There's a bunch of theories about this.
But the mathematical probability that aliens exist, and that they're substantially more advanced than us, is mathematically very high.
And so the question in Fermi's Paradox is, why haven't we seen them yet?
And there's a bunch of different hypothetical answers as to why that would be.
So we don't know.
So what I'm saying is, I'm not saying aliens are here.
I have no idea.
We have no evidence to say that, except for the fantastic reports of flying crazy vehicles at O'Hare, or whatever.
But that could just be military tech, and it's substantially more likely it is.
But as I was pointing out, one of the concerns, as we're talking about the government keeping secrets, is a fear that if the world found out right now about aliens... That's what they say, though.
eric july
That's why it's classified.
tim pool
Right, because people would lose their minds when they realize it.
unidentified
Do you think they would lose their mind, Eric?
eric july
I think it goes back to culture, because that's a great point.
I think we, you know, yes, we have this sort of diverse culture in America, but when you talk to other cultures about, you know, pockets of Africa, and like, that see the world just fundamentally different than what it is that we do.
I think that they would react in a different way.
I think a lot of Americans come to terms, I think it'd be a lot more curiosity than anything.
Because at that point, it's like, if we get a confirmation of something that we assume, that we've seen all this, it's embedded in our culture.
Aliens, right?
We got movies, movies, and X-Files.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Show, TV shows.
Like, it's this assumption that, well, we have this assumption in how they look.
Hell, they might look like us.
Who knows?
How exactly they will look, but we have all of these theories, but I think a lot of Americans assume that that's a thing.
Now, would they rip each other apart is an interesting question, but I think that it would be more than anything, if there was an emotion, it would be more so a curiosity, because it's like, if you confirmed right now, let's say if the government said, all right, we ain't got Trump on his way out, scorch earth.
Say, y'all, y'all, y'all, y'all, I'm not gonna be the president, bet.
Bam.
Here's the proof right here.
tim pool
Here's a video.
eric july
Here's a video.
unidentified
Here's a, here's a, here's a, and it's Trump giving thumbs up.
tim pool
Yeah.
eric july
And it's like all 4k HD and everything.
luke rudkowski
They're eating McDonald's.
eric july
It's as advanced as you can possibly get.
I think at that point, I know at least speaking on home, I'd be like, just curious, like more than anything.
I wouldn't want to fight my neighbor.
tim pool
What do you think would happen if a video came out of Trump hanging out with aliens?
China would go nuts.
China would declare war or something.
eric july
That's a good point.
And that's I think that's where it goes back to the culture, because it's like at that point, it's like, oh, wow,
they have access to this advanced sort of.
Yep.
tim pool
They're getting hooked up.
eric july
Right.
Oh, my God, this is the real thing.
So who knows, man?
That's a good point.
luke rudkowski
According to these two high-level government officials, the Canadian and Israeli one, the aliens are the ones that are specifically stopping nuclear Armageddon.
That's according to, again, the former head of the Israeli space program, the Canadian Minister of Defense, and he's saying that the humans are not ready for them, but the aliens are here preventing a larger conflict from expanding.
tim pool
I was watching some crazy thing about orangutans fishing and stuff, you know?
Okay.
Like, we're more technologically advanced than they are, watching them do these things.
Like, there could come to a certain point where we see animals fighting in such a way that we would stop them.
We would be like, man, this is crazy.
Imagine if we were watching, you know, it's a thousand years in the future, and we're flying around with teleport packs and jet packs, and then the orangutans now have nukes.
Yeah, we'd probably stop them.
You know what I mean?
We'd be like, dude!
You're gonna blow everything up!
Chill, what are you doing?
eric july
You're all a little too advanced.
tim pool
So the aliens would come back, and you're saying like... What I'm saying is, it makes sense that aliens would stop us from blowing ourselves up, because we'd be screwing everything up.
You know, there's a relatively small amount of planets that sustain life and are in this position.
ian crossland
Assuming that they were here, which is a grand assumption.
I don't think that they're here.
tim pool
That has nothing to do with what I just said.
ian crossland
I said, it would make sense that an advanced species would stop a lower... It wouldn't make sense that there is an advanced species here.
tim pool
Okay, so anyway, my point, what you're saying has nothing to do with my point, is that it makes sense for human beings to stop less advanced races from blowing themselves up with bombs.
Like, if you saw a bunch of orangutans playing with dynamite, you'd probably be like, we gotta stop them, that's crazy!
And you'd probably stop them by any means necessary, because you got a bunch of, you know, chimps and monkeys playing with explosives.
You would stop them.
ian crossland
Sometimes, but when monkeys hunt themselves in the woods, you don't go in and stop them.
tim pool
Yeah, because they're not playing with dynamite and TNT.
eric july
Oh, you think if they were proposing a threat to you, maybe... Oh, you think if they were proposing a threat to you, maybe... Oh, you think if they were proposing a threat to you, maybe... Oh, you think if they were proposing a threat to you, maybe... Oh, you think if they were proposing a threat to you, maybe... Oh, you think if they were proposing a threat to you, maybe... Oh, you think if they were proposing a threat to you, maybe... Oh, you think if they were proposing a threat to you, maybe... Oh, you think if they were proposing a threat to you, maybe... Oh, you think if they were proposing a threat to you, maybe... Oh, you think if they were proposing a threat to you, maybe... Oh, you think if they were proposing a threat to you, maybe... Oh, you think if they were proposing a threat to you, maybe... Oh, you think if they were proposing a threat to you, maybe... Oh, you think if they were proposing a threat to you, maybe Why do you think, and I ask you, I'm gonna ask all of you guys, why do we think that the assumption is that they are, if they are to exist, they're more technologically advanced than us?
ian crossland
Well, but, no, no, no, but it's all insanity.
tim pool
It's that if any alien species is advanced enough to come here, then they will be more advanced than us.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
To such an extreme degree that a lot of people need to understand a couple things, like, do you, can you communicate with an ant?
Not really.
I mean, we can play with the pheromones and make them walk in lines and stuff, but you can't exchange meaningful ideas with them.
We can kind of understand what they do and why they do it after being studied, but it, you know, one of the things, I was watching this crazy documentary talking about alien life and the components for life and the misconceptions people have about aliens coming here and walking around.
Like, they wouldn't even survive in our atmosphere.
Like, by all mathematical calculations about the variety of elements we know of, they could have to exist in some kind of weird methane atmosphere or something.
But even if they did come here, it's like, the level of advancement from a species, you know, able to travel, you know, well beyond our understanding, in all likelihood would either be substantially more advanced than we are, and that would be like you trying to explain to an ant how a highway works.
eric july
But do you think, like, on, let's say, other planets and whatnot, like, that there are lesser advanced beings that are there now?
tim pool
You think definitely that's the case?
I think, obviously, you look at the oceans of Earth, Humans are incredibly lucky when it comes to creating computers and cameras.
Like, if we... Look at dolphins, man.
They're smart, right?
But they don't have thumbs.
So they can't do anything.
Not only that, imagine if dolphins had arms.
How are they gonna start a fire to actually separate elements and create wires and components?
They can't do it underwater.
So even dolphins, octopuses, they can manipulate stuff, but they can't do anything because they're underwater.
I guess, theoretically, you can go to a lava vent and hold something close to it, try and separate the iron out of the rock or something like that.
But we get fire, we melt down a rock, we can separate the elements, and then we can slowly, from there, start doing crazy things.
I guess there's probably different chemical reactions that could happen underwater, but there's probably planets with water on it, where you've got intelligent beings that just live underwater and can't do anything.
Can't build a spaceship and can't leave.
Titan?
Triton?
What's the name of the moon?
Saturn?
Is that Saturn or Jupiter?
eric july
Saturn's moon is Titan, isn't it?
tim pool
One of these moons, they think, could actually have liquid water because of the gravitational pull.
of the planet, I don't know if it's Saturn or Jupiter, is like causing it to stretch back and forth,
which creates friction, which then creates liquid water.
And they say there could be life, because where there's liquid water, there tends to be life.
But even if it was intelligent, what's it gonna do, break through the crust
and then fly in outer space?
It wouldn't be able to do it.
eric july
Yeah, so it's just there.
tim pool
Right, so there's probably a lot of intelligent alien life that doesn't have the ability to create tools
and do anything like that.
luke rudkowski
There's a lot of probabilities here, but there's one constant.
The government lies.
eric july
That's the moral of the story.
tim pool
The government lies, and with that we'll go to Super Chat.
So if you haven't already, smash that like button and subscribe to the notification bell, and we're gonna read what y'all have to say right now.
Actually, I like to go back to the earlier and make sure I get everybody, but here's a really good super chat.
Daniel Ury says, What religion and economic model will the aliens follow?
What if they're like the Ferengi and they're like hardcore capitalists?
You guys ever watch Star Trek Next Generation?
Yeah.
Man, they did really, really great writing with philosophy and the consequence of technological advancement.
For those that aren't familiar, the Ferengi are aliens that bought their way into interstellar travel.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Whereas most of the species developed it through science, they were like merchants who met an alien species that had warp drive and said, we'll buy it off you.
eric july
Enterprise, baby.
Yeah, man.
Shows good, huh?
Raising living standards, huh?
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
I love how the left calls it space communism.
eric july
It's literally not that.
tim pool
I got in an argument about it, and they were like, you know, no one wants for anything.
And I was like, dude, people have prime real estate on the beach.
They actually show scenes where people have houses on the waterfront in San Francisco.
Like, is that just you won it in the lottery?
No, people of merit get it.
Anyway, I digress.
Let's see.
Daniel J. Korica says, divided we fall.
If as a nation we don't come back together, we will fall.
I mean, yes, if the country breaks apart, then it falls, because it literally broke apart.
But I think individual states could thrive.
eric july
Absolutely!
I mean, we accept this idea that states are way smaller than, or countries way smaller than the U.S.
can thrive.
So why couldn't individual states thrive?
ian crossland
So I'm nervous that we're being made useful idiots that when we talk about because I agree that if we if we become divided, we're it's over.
And when we talk about the left and the right, I think that that idea is being seeded into us from it's insidious to think that it's China, the Chinese Communist Party using the internet to make us get more clicks and likes when we use those phrases, because the diversity, the divert, you know, it's, but people like drama.
And so they're drawn to this, like, easy to visualize paradigm.
But I think that it's, it's so dangerous, like Mao used rightists as his primary focus of who he went after in the Chinese Cultural Revolution, they were called rightists, he was talking about people on the right, and he used that to rally the country to violence.
So I don't want to use those phrases anymore.
lydia smith
I would say right off hand that it is just a useful like kind of shorthand to keep track of who's who and we do have that useful spectrum.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Let's read some more of these Super Chats.
Joel says, Taxation is theft and listen to back words.
eric july
Oh, yeah.
Appreciate that.
tim pool
DanSawF says, Tim, Tannerite is really easy to make.
It takes some ice packs and some aluminum powder and you can buy it on Amazon for less than $40.
So, what is that?
Do you guys know what that is?
luke rudkowski
Things that go boom.
unidentified
Oh, that's awesome.
luke rudkowski
I don't know if you want to be sharing all that.
lydia smith
Good to know.
tim pool
If YouTube allows someone to super chat that, they ban a whole bunch of words.
You wanna allow that?
Well, I don't know.
dim fool please be in DC on the 6th America needs you now more than ever I
know you're a milquetoast fence-sitter but this is not about left versus right
it's about we the people we need you well I don't I mean look if we go down to DC
and we do a show and we interview people who are there and, like, you know, they'll speak and then they'll come up to our hotel or whatever and we'll talk to them, like, that can be more effective than being further away.
I think the worst case scenarios will be close enough to D.C.
to get, like, a post-interview with some prominent people, but, uh, there's a bunch of combination of factors.
The Internet's gotta work, we gotta have the system set up and tested, and then there's security issues, which are very serious.
luke rudkowski
I'm for it, so we'll see what happens.
tim pool
I'm hearing, I don't even know if I should say this, but I should probably say it as a warning.
I'm hearing people are going armed.
And the problem is, you can't bring guns into DC.
But I've seen posts on the internet where people are talking about they don't care.
Because if 10 million people are shot, they're like, that's bad, man.
That's when things get crazy.
ian crossland
I've got mixed feelings about it.
tim pool
I've got negative feelings about it.
ian crossland
I'm starting to question if we should do this.
Well, what's the purpose of going there and making a physical presence?
Is it just causing more stress than it needs to?
tim pool
I'm not going there to do anything political.
I'm going there to do a show, to talk to people who are there and ask them why they're doing it.
luke rudkowski
Being able to report on the ground and see exactly what's happening away from the spin, away from the editorializing, is key and important.
So that to me is why it's important to go.
tim pool
Trump has put out multiple tweets.
Be there.
I'll see you there.
It's gonna be wild.
And then people are talking about bringing tents, and, and, and, and... You know, look, an Occupy non-violent civil disobedience, I think is great.
If everybody just, you know, opened their businesses or whatever, then we'd all just carry on.
Everything would be fine.
But there are a lot of people who, like I said, they're getting desperate.
They got nothing left to lose, and that's when it gets scary.
So, I don't know what's gonna happen, man, but I'm hearing, I'm hearing scary stuff.
That's why I said security is a very serious issue.
You know?
It might not be a good idea to go down there.
For everybody else who wants to protest, I can't.
Look, you have your First Amendment rights to go and protest.
But when I'm hearing a lot of stuff, Antifa's gonna get down there, it's gonna get spicy, whatever.
It gets worrying, man.
All right, let's see.
Jonathan Westcott says, Hey Tim, Black Votes Matter is running ads here in Georgia saying they'll be running raffles for people who show up to vote.
Straight up admitting it now, because they think no one will call them out.
Man, that's crazy.
blackmagic says government is just a social construct for when a group of people wish to band together to perform immoral actions while justifying those actions as morally good change my mind what's the smallest form of government tribal government Well, non-existent one.
ian crossland
The family?
tim pool
Yeah, the family probably.
lydia smith
Yeah, I would say so, yeah.
tim pool
That's a good point.
lydia smith
Probably the family.
tim pool
Or the individual?
No, the individual isn't the government.
You can just act on your own.
But when you have a group of people who agree on certain terms and someone's in charge, maybe the family is the smallest form of possible government.
Family's not a bad thing.
I mean, even local governments are crooked.
It's hard to scale up properly.
Corruption just becomes a part of the system.
We have in the United States, we got a serious problem.
ian crossland
Yeah, too much federal government, I think is the big problem.
tim pool
I mean, even local governments are crooked.
It's like it's hard to scale up properly.
Corruption just becomes a part of the system.
So I don't know how you solve for that problem.
But like, look, a tribal, you know, a group of hippies on a farm probably got a form of
government that works just fine.
You know, they have rules.
If you violate the rules, there's some kind of punishment.
You're off the farm.
You're leaving.
You can't live here anymore.
You know, oh, exile.
But it gets really difficult when you can't go anywhere.
Like, the United States is controlled entirely by the federal government.
So it's like, if you break one law in one place, there's no, like, you get locked in a box.
And so it's, I think exile is actually preferable to imprisonment, but you can't do it because people have nowhere to go.
ian crossland
Did you see Spain as putting people on lists?
I know this is a bit of a tangent.
tim pool
Oh, if they don't wear masks.
lydia smith
Or if they don't get the vaccine, I think.
tim pool
Yeah, if they don't get the vaccine.
All right, let's see.
Sterling Jennings says, when anyone YouTuber, right-leaning thought leader is asked if they would run for officer at a movement, they always say no, but I would support someone doing it.
How is anything going to get done if the people who have influence defer to others?
That's a really good point.
Uh, cause you know, I wouldn't want to be in office.
ian crossland
That sounds awful.
Do you Luke?
luke rudkowski
I would hate myself if I was a politician.
tim pool
You look at these Democrats, they want power and they'll take it.
And you look at the Republicans too, but the listen, the Republicans aren't arguing on behalf of what Republican, what the voters actually want.
That's just a fact.
luke rudkowski
Well, you never want to give power to someone who's hungry for it.
You always want to give it to someone that doesn't want it.
ian crossland
I would love to take it and then make the system so that when we're gone they don't need us anymore.
luke rudkowski
Well, the problem is I don't think I know what's better for someone else.
I can't make that determination and this is why I don't want to be a ruler over someone.
ian crossland
You'd be a good ruler because of that.
lydia smith
Yeah, but how are you going to be a ruler?
eric july
That's the conundrum, right?
ian crossland
Defer to your subservience.
eric july
That's the conundrum.
luke rudkowski
How can you be a ruler without being a ruler is just by being an example.
That's why I've been preaching and talking about decentralization and personal responsibility.
If we have enough individuals that are responsible for each other, we won't need government.
Uh, to interact and inject itself when it's not needed.
So, that to me is the key, and that to me is a lot better than me becoming your overlord, telling you what to do.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Alright, NukeTheIceCap says, What I do enjoy about the obvious overage of authority.
Left and right are looking at each other from a different angle.
Yeah, we want the divorce, but these politicians are rightly worried.
The thing they fear the most is staring them in the face.
Interesting.
Bookman?
Justin Bowman says, I wasn't big into politics until my games, comics, shows, and movies
became politicized.
But in some ways I'm glad it happened or else I'd be just another consumer.
By the way, Tim, it's pronounced Bookman.
Oh, okay.
I winced when you read my name, when you read my chat yesterday.
Hi, Ian, Luke, and Lids.
Be safe.
unidentified
Bookman.
eric july
What up, Bookman?
tim pool
Bookman.
Rye Chaser says, Eric, I'm worried about the future of the entertainment industry.
I'm currently in film school and when we pitch our film ideas, everyone only talks about how diverse and political their film will be.
eric july
Oh my god, man.
I know, man.
It's like, for those of you guys who aren't like comic book guys.
it's it's rough right now like not just in the but you see it happening in the shows it's over emphasis of diversity so you have this tokenization of all these characters classically white characters they want a black version they want a uh a gender neutral version but it's even worse in the books like we're getting gender neutral neutral flash Yes, that's about to be a thing.
Why are they doing that?
a gender neutral flash is about to be a thing.
unidentified
All sorts of does he flash his gender?
luke rudkowski
I mean, his genitalia changes it.
tim pool
Why are they doing that?
eric july
Well, it's they they are trying to appeal to people that don't buy books.
Right. It's these writers are cocky.
And for those of y'all that follow me on Twitter, you see me go back and forth with these guys.
These guys are narcissistic and they're cocky.
They're not even in the business anymore of trying to sell books or try to make something for a consumer.
That was the difference between comic books.
Now, even the ones that they say were political, it's that they were maxed.
It was balanced in that it was maxed enough to where it wasn't overtly political.
Like, only when it was, like, going at Hitler and stuff like that.
Yeah, Captain America was the most politicized Right, but people forget, people always talk about Hitler, right?
But forget what Captain America, when he started, prior to that, he was beating up Nazis, but before that he was beating up Communists.
He used to be called the Commie Smasher.
People forget all about that.
But no, it was way more balanced, whereas now people are writing books, doing shows, with the they're trying to lecture the audience right it's about trying to make sure that you agree with them socially so they gotta tell their story that comes second right the actual story it doesn't even have to make sense for them it's about what kind of social spin can we put uh on this can
We focus on racial matters.
Can we focus on other social matters and try to beat you over the head with that, as opposed to making something that not only appeals to that market, but can appeal to even a wider demographic of people?
Because why?
Like my favorite comic book character as an adult is Batman.
I couldn't be further from Batman.
Batman's white and he's rich.
I am neither of those.
But I love him, right?
There's attributes and traits that he has.
Like Flash was my favorite character growing up.
He was a track athlete.
tim pool
Yeah.
eric july
So that was why I connected.
My mother gave me, that was one of the first books that I read back in the 90s, Flashbook.
tim pool
You ever see Static Shock?
eric july
Yes.
tim pool
That was Diversity Done Right.
eric july
Yeah, it was an authentic, new, original character.
And I don't know any comic book fan that's like, they don't want that.
What they don't want is to A black version of this character that I always- No, we want originality.
This is why we like Luke Cage.
This is why we like Static, which is why we like Storm, Bishop.
We like these characters because they're original, right?
That's what we want, originality, but they're in the interest of- Recycling.
tim pool
Hand-me-down heroes.
eric july
Hand-me-down characters.
That's exactly what it is.
Yup.
tim pool
That's what always makes me like, isn't that more offensive?
eric july
Absolutely!
tim pool
Instead of saying, we're gonna write original, compelling stories for a larger audience, they're like, we'll just give you the old ones we don't use anymore.
eric july
Yep, that's it.
We'll just recycle them.
We'll just say they have the same symbol, suit, and everything.
Now the guy just is all of a sudden homosexual.
tim pool
I did like End of the Spider-Verse, Miles Morales.
eric july
Well, my thing about... I hate Miles, by the way.
unidentified
You don't like him?
eric july
No, I hate Miles.
I hate Miles.
I hate him in the books.
I hate him.
He's just like... And I come from a different perspective, right?
Because I'm a book reader.
And Miles Morales, he's been around for a while now.
He's just a re-skinned Peter Parker.
There is absolutely nothing from his character we've seen Over the long years of Peter Parker being young, being... We've seen all of that from him.
There's little quirky kind of comments and what he... All of that stuff is what we've seen out of that.
What I more so appreciate is when they try to make a more so newer character.
DC creates Naomi or Silencer or something like that.
Original black character or something like that.
That's what I value.
I'm not necessarily in the interest of taking a historically white male character and saying, we'll just...
tim pool
But now they're making those, what was that, what was that Dora the Explorer superhero?
You know that one?
Yeah, yeah, Marvel did it.
I think it was Marvel that did it.
lydia smith
Yeah, she's fat.
tim pool
The gender-neutral, non-binary brother and sister, whatever.
eric july
Oh, Snowflake in, uh... Yeah, Safe Space.
ian crossland
New Mutants, right?
eric july
New Warriors, New Warriors.
tim pool
But then you had Dora the Explorer.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It was a fat Latina chick with a backpack that has like all this space in it to pull out random stuff.
Like literally it was Dora.
It was like the weirdest thing ever.
eric july
And they end up not putting it out, thank God.
ian crossland
Oh, they didn't?
unidentified
No, they didn't.
eric july
They ended up not putting it.
That was so bad to where they were like, they were like, okay guys.
ian crossland
These are the new New Warriors?
eric july
Yeah, there was a New Warriors, basically a New Warriors.
So now, so you're talking about all those original New Warriors.
Kind of were being put to the, they were there in the background but it was about these new characters, safe space and all these weird guys.
tim pool
Could create like barriers or whatever.
ian crossland
It was one of the worst, that's like one of the worst examples.
eric july
The worst examples.
ian crossland
The entire super group of them.
tim pool
We need, I think, you know if you look back at the creation of a lot of the comics and superheroes, these ideas were original.
unidentified
The Hulk.
eric july
Absolutely.
tim pool
If he gets angry he turns into a giant monster.
eric july
There was nothing like it before and that's why people were so attracted to it.
tim pool
But now everything's recycled and regitated.
ian crossland
You know, Rob Liefeld started to do... No offense, Rob, if you're listening.
I thought Cable... I loved Cable in the 90s, but... Man, he was a trash character.
He didn't do anything.
He was a cybernetic.
He had mental powers like every other... Travel through time.
Oh, apparently he could travel through time.
tim pool
Well, no, he had technology that could do that.
ian crossland
He had a cybernetic arm.
And then that whole Rob Liefeld would recycle, like, every group had a wolfman in it, and then they made Brigade for Image Comics, and it was like every group had a guy like this, a woman, you know, a wolfman, a big guy in the background.
tim pool
We need some original superpowers.
It's like everything, everything feels generic.
ian crossland
Yeah.
eric july
And it's not like everything.
There's a lot of creative people.
There are a lot of original comic book guys that have kind of deviated from, uh, uh, former DC kind of have them on my show all the time from a guys that write as a DC and Marvel that are creating the original characters.
Um, and that's what I think we need.
And in the world's ripe right now for it right now, I think more than ever before, and maybe not so much, but right now they are so bad for you guys.
Those that don't keep up with books.
When I say there are like comic books are the worst that they have ever been.
Like, when I talk about content-wise, they are the worst that they have ever, for both mainstream comics in DC and Marvel.
They don't sell, and there's a reason why they don't sell.
They're insulting their fans, they're insulting the people that are long-time readers for these, again, it's about lecturing the audience is more so what they're into.
tim pool
What about manga, though?
Do you read manga?
eric july
No, everybody keeps telling me, like, that's where it's at.
It's actually, in some cases, starting to sell more, even in America, more than what the modern comics.
tim pool
I haven't kept up with any recent manga, for the most part, but I read all of Naruto and Shippuden, and Death Note, and there's a bunch of other stuff, obviously, Bleach.
Those are kind of obvious, but that was a long time ago, I was reading all those.
They were just better stories.
eric july
And they don't worry about that, and it's interesting, right?
Original female characters right that don't have to be rehashed versions of a male character They do that so well you see that in anime as well, so that's why I can't this whole world all the ideas I've been done, and I'm like have you read watched an anime, but their powers are unique you need exactly How weird was it?
tim pool
I don't know you've not seen any anime anything like that.
unidentified
I've watched anime You watch you watch Naruto Yes.
tim pool
It was the weirdest thing watching Sasuke have hands grow out of his back.
eric july
Yeah.
tim pool
It's like, for those that aren't familiar, it's like, it's one of, it's a ninja, and then he gets his power, and like, hands and fingers grow out of his back.
It's the weirdest thing ever, but I'm like, at least it's original, man.
Yeah, no, that's what- It's like, comics in the U.S.
have become generic.
eric july
Yeah, there's the same rehash, and this is why I can't let them make it, because you do see examples of that manga, anime, where the Japanese are able to make original characters, original concepts that we have never seen before, that just knock it out the park.
tim pool
One punch, man.
eric july
Yes, yes.
tim pool
Amazing.
eric july
Yes, it's another one.
It's like, they're new.
They're like, these are things that have come out within the last decade, right?
tim pool
And it's not coming out here.
eric july
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
And then you also have My Hero Academia.
eric july
Attack on Titan.
Another one, like all these, yeah, like all these newer, like these are things that have happened within like recent, recent, recent years and they knock it out the park.
It's because they know what they're doing and they're writing stories for their consumers Yeah.
Uh, that will appeal to them.
Whereas to America is dark.
The West is more so like, you know, my, my hero academia is about superheroes.
tim pool
And I'm like, it's really interesting to see an anime about superheroes and they're doing superheroes better than America.
eric july
What'd you think?
What'd you think?
We'd be the Mecca of that, but it's not like the talent isn't there.
Yeah.
tim pool
That's what it is.
ian crossland
Every time I'd like to see, we were, uh, conceptualize this with Desmond Meeks and Philip Wainwright.
A couple of my friends, we were talking about.
Stories based on a piece of technology like a piece of advanced technology and it follows the tech like the the gun or whatever and it keeps getting regular people will carry it and you'll follow their story while they have it and when they get killed or whatever they lose it you you follow the tech to the next person and so maybe there could be an entire genre of comics where there are no super humans but there's just super tech.
tim pool
Are you gonna write a comic about the adventures of super male vitality?
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
We'll start with super male vitality.
You can get it at importwars.com.
tim pool
No, no.
ian crossland
Import Wars life.
tim pool
Michael Malice left it here, and now it's a joke.
I'm about to edit it, actually.
And people are going to start buying it like crazy, and Alex is going to make so much money because we're making fun of it.
ian crossland
The genre is called space punk.
eric july
Okay.
tim pool
That's a real thing, though.
ian crossland
I don't know if it's been invented yet, has it?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
That's Philip Wainwright's idea, I believe.
tim pool
Space Punk?
ian crossland
Yeah.
And if you're working on it, Phil, sorry that I loaded it.
Yeah, let's make some comics.
tim pool
Let's read some more Super Chats.
Razgriz says, proud Wyomingite here.
They can try and ban guns here.
In 2012, we were looking at buying an aircraft carrier and making it a felony for federal agents to enforce gun control.
We will do it again.
I mean, yeah, well, why didn't they pass that law?
lydia smith
Sounds great.
eric july
It's my kind of party.
tim pool
Let's see Augustine arrived says damn it forgot you were live-streaming same time
I was I was lol as if it's any consolation for anyone here in Texas
They say everything is closed down, but the reality is everything is still open and nobody gives a hoot so happy
I left, California. I Don't know if Texas is the right call because too many
eric july
people are moving to Texas. Well, yeah, but they're going this is what I say about Texas is
They're going to don't worry too much Just like the whole I at Texas is gonna turn blue the
reason I and obviously it end up being a big dud They're going to the places that are already blue
First of all, it was actually not that long ago where Texas was dealing with, you know, we had blue Senators, Democrat Senator, that was not a thing that happened not, it was not that long ago, let's say that.
But they're posting up in Austin, Dallas, Houston, San Antonio.
Those spots are already blue.
So my, no, I don't want them coming here and running everything into the ground.
If they're at minimum posting up like in Austin, That doesn't gain them anything because they're in Austin.
Like, they're already blue.
It's when they go everywhere else that is the problem.
tim pool
Michael Holder says, the problem with the Freedom Society versus Dominatrix Society is that the control freak's desire to control never stops at their own borders.
China.
It would only be a matter of time before the authoritarians would start oppressing the free staters.
But that's what's happening.
eric july
Right, but that's the thing, and that's why a lot of people are scared of, like, secession.
There is, like, secession is an anti-defense.
It's not anti-working together, right?
A community or this concept of militias.
That's not what it's about.
So just because we say, you can't rule over us, does not mean that, okay, if we go to war, we won't have each other's back or something like that.
That already happens right now.
We have these sort of agreements with other We have an alliance.
Some of them are crooked, but you get this idea that, okay, like we like what it is that you do to some extent.
So if said country tries to come take us over, we got each other's back.
That can still happen.
It's just like, we're just saying like, you don't get the rule over.
tim pool
But think about it this way.
We have an alliance with NATO.
That's what I'm saying.
It's the same concept.
And France doesn't dictate what we do in New York.
eric july
Yeah, exactly.
It's the same concept.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I mean, we could still have mutual defense, and I think people forget that the people who usually want to be left alone are usually the people who are armed and are more able to defend themselves than the small people who like to be dominated and love dominating.
tim pool
The United States of Canada and Jesusland.
ian crossland
I could be convinced, but I'm very hesitant about this idea of a peaceful divorce.
I think that if we tried to secede, one, that the American government would invade immediately like they did in the Civil War.
They call it the War of American Aggression.
eric july
But I think that was most likely to happen when it happened, but now with the advancement of technology and how the weaponry is sold, it's advanced enough for us to be able to hold our own.
And I don't believe we're just going to get overtaken.
We saw what happened with the rice farmers in Vietnam.
luke rudkowski
That's what I'm saying.
ian crossland
My other worry would be that, like, the Chinese government would invade the seceded Union, and then the United States would also invade to defend it, and it would become a proxy war, and then it would be leveled.
tim pool
Well, the Red States have their own military bases and National Guard.
luke rudkowski
Well, so what he is saying is that the Chinese government would influence the dominatrix side.
And I would say, that already has happened.
ian crossland
No, I'm saying that they would invade the secessionist, the freedom side.
tim pool
But they're not engaging in third generational warfare.
eric july
That's what I was just about to say.
tim pool
China would just take control of the dominatrix society because of their... So they would fund the secession.
ian crossland
They would arm the secession.
You'd get this foreign influence on the arming of the... Right.
That's what we did in Vietnam.
tim pool
They're doing it.
China absolutely is influencing American politics in a bunch of negative ways.
ian crossland
Oh, that would be the best thing in the world for China if the Americans split apart.
tim pool
I mean, depending on what you want from the world might be a good thing for you.
ian crossland
The Chinese Communist Party would become the most powerful force on the earth if the United States split apart.
luke rudkowski
Well, they already are going to do that under a Biden presidency.
tim pool
Exactly.
I hope not.
They're doing beaching drills for Taiwan.
You think Joe Biden's going to do anything about that?
luke rudkowski
Joe Biden's main advisors are talking about how a bigger growing China is great for the global economy.
tim pool
And they're investing in that country and they're enforcing laws and deals.
luke rudkowski
Walmart is investing into Wuhan as we're speaking right now.
ian crossland
How would we defend against it?
eric july
But that's why I'm saying if you break up, I mean, Like, I don't think people understand the vast amounts of gun laws at the federal level that exist right now.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
eric july
Right?
I think if that was broken up, you'd see more people wanting not only to, from a creation standpoint, but wanting to invest in that sort of weaponry that would have them ready to rock, right?
Like, I'm talking what you consider more these automatic weapons and stuff that they consider machine guns.
um all tanks which you know depending on where yeah you kind of can get that sort of stuff but we'd be more inclined to invest in that certainly if they got the hell out of the way i think the biggest myth is that we need them to to to protect us when we as individuals could invest in ourselves but that's why they want the dependency so we get to thinking like that that's exactly what they want it's like well you need us because if we get away from you then oh everything's gonna fall apart and i just simply disagree i do not agree That that is the inevitable thing.
luke rudkowski
They're dominatrices that don't know a safe word.
ian crossland
Yes.
tim pool
Impulse818 says, Hi Tim, how come you haven't mentioned at all the war criminals that Trump pardoned last week?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Hasn't come up, but it came up now.
So I think it was bad.
I think it was wrong, but you know, Obama pardoned a bunch of crazy people and blew people up.
So I think for me, it's like, I didn't spend four years wearing a MAGA hat, waving a Trump flag.
I was, you know, Fairly critical.
And I think the media was just insane on Trump.
So put me in this position where it's like, dude, I can say it's bad that Trump did these things with missile strikes in Syria.
Criticize him for it.
John Bolton, we bring up all the time.
The commando raids in Yemen.
The death of, it was an eight-year-old American girl that was killed in a raid ordered by Trump.
These bad things all happened.
luke rudkowski
So it was related to Anwar al-Awlaki. Right, right, exactly.
tim pool
He's the other's sister. So yeah, the sister was killed by... Trump has done a ton of bad
stuff and over the past couple of years it's been getting better. Trump pardons people and he does
a bunch of, a big wave of pardons and I mean, you know, I think it's bad.
ian crossland
Who did he pardon?
tim pool
It was the Blackwater people, right?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, he pardoned a bunch of Blackwater mercenaries that were responsible for an estimated 17 deaths of innocent civilians.
They were found guilty and were serving a pretty severe sentence.
And this is kind of a slap... When did they go to prison?
I don't know the exact details of exactly.
Let's pull that up if we can and look up the details here because I think that's pretty important here.
But to me, this symbolically is a big slap in the face of Julian Assange, of WikiLeaks, of Chelsea Manning, and all the other individuals who want accountability for Edward Snowden, who want accountability for the war crimes that the United States has sometimes committed.
Now, again, we have to see this through, you know, the rule of law, and a court found these people guilty of ending 17 innocent people's lives.
That's a big, severe crime.
That's a big, severe implication that Trump is saying it's A-OK for him, which is a little daunting.
tim pool
It was 2007, so this was under Bush.
Yeah, these people are nasty dudes, man.
And there's a lot of really messed up stuff.
America should not be over there.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, well, he's also friends with the head of the former Blackwater, now it's named something else, Eric Prince.
It doesn't make him look good, in my opinion.
tim pool
Scott says, Tim, I've heard you give the best summary of the non-aggression principle of anyone who rejects its universal moral applications.
Why do you reject it?
How do I reject it?
luke rudkowski
Do you believe in the non-aggression principle?
tim pool
Define the non-aggression principle.
luke rudkowski
You defined it better than me according to that super chat.
tim pool
That's why I'm saying I don't understand how I reject it.
So let me hear what you have to say and I'll tell you what I think.
luke rudkowski
Well, non-aggression principle is just the basic principle that you believe that ideas shouldn't be forced onto people.
There shouldn't be any aggression forcing someone to do something that they don't want to do.
That there shouldn't be force and extortion used to push a certain idea.
eric july
Being initiatory, that being the most important point.
tim pool
So there's a couple ways to look at it.
If we're talking about violence and harm, or force against another person, be it physical or coercive, Well, yeah.
Don't pick a fight with somebody.
Don't mess with other people.
Live and let live.
If you want to talk about a government system and you've got a big city like New York that's been around for hundreds of years, well, now we've got a very much more difficult and complicated question.
eric july
Yeah, but that's what's always been the more, I think, the misunderstanding of the NAP is that it's like this sort of End all right and that's not what it is.
What it does is it's just fundamentally understanding what the principle is that we want to uphold and that is that it is absolutely wrong to initiate a force upon someone else.
So if you're not being threatened, if you're not having someone hit on you and I think most people can agree with that.
The straw man comes in and they say, well, what about this instance in this instance?
And I'm like, yeah, I get that.
There's a questions or that we can come up with answer to the nap.
Never pretended to be like, uh, the end all or that if it exists and nobody's going to commit, no.
It's in fact, you know, We look up the Robert Murphys of the world.
We talk about privatized law for that reason.
luke rudkowski
Nothing is perfect, but you have a reduction of harm under the Knapp principle, which pretty much asserts the rights of individuals not to get aggressed upon.
tim pool
A lot of people are commenting saying the Blackwater guys were convicted for political convenience based on weak and inconsistent evidence.
That was from Amenti.
JM says Obama made villains out of the Blackwater guards for political purposes.
The media didn't start lying in 2016.
Yeah, he kept the soldiers there and in Afghanistan.
He bolstered Afghanistan.
I mean, you're making a claim there.
to lie because Obama wanted out of Iraq and had a vendetta against Blackwater.
I don't know though, he didn't get us out of Iraq.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, he kept the soldiers there and in Afghanistan.
He bolstered Afghanistan.
I mean, you're making a claim there. I mean, I will say that I will legitimately look at it,
but I haven't seen any evidence.
But again, I'm not perfect.
I'm not always right.
If you think I'm wrong on that issue, please send me some evidence so I could look at it.
You could message me on Twitter, LukeWeAreChange, and then I would love to see any evidence you guys have.
And of course, I will change my opinion based upon that.
ian crossland
Regarding non-aggression, what do you guys think about forcing aggression on people that litter?
eric july
Well, that's why we want private ownership, right?
So if that person owns that particular land or groups of people, right?
If they homestead it, which would be the way that they owned it, or if it was a transfer of ownership by way of purchasing it or land being given, Um, yeah, like that there's a case to be made that that is an ad that is absolute because you're violating the private property.
That's what aggression is, right?
That's essentially breaking it down is the violation of the you know, the private property, right?
Be it in land be it in owner self-ownership.
So I you punch me in the face.
That's an act of aggression, but the same can be said for a contract violation or something or something like that.
I think aggression in a libertarian sense, which is a good question, by the way in a libertarian sense is also like Very misunderstood.
luke rudkowski
Well, again, if you're living in a society where everyone is responsible for themselves, you're not going to want to go around causing troubles for people, right?
A lot of people don't want trouble.
A lot of people just want to be left alone.
A lot of people just want to work.
A lot of people just want to live their lives and, and be happy.
So if there are, I mean, nothing's perfect.
Nothing again is a hundred percent.
eric july
Libertarianism doesn't pretend that it is.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
ian crossland
It makes me think of family life and how kids won't clean their room unless they're forced to.
Like I would never clean my room unless my parents were like, you're going to clean your room.
It's dangerous.
You're going to trip over trash trying to get out.
If there's a fire, clean your room.
And in society, people will just throw banana peels on the ground.
If there's no, if there's no recourse.
eric july
Well, that's the thing though.
If there is absolutely a case to be made, if I have private property, I own said thing and you just go in there and start dumping stuff on it.
ian crossland
What about city streets?
eric july
City streets?
I mean, that's the same thing.
Those should be privately owned.
So if that- By who?
Whoever wants to make- whoever provided it to service.
ian crossland
But what if they want to shut off access to you?
eric july
What if they did?
And what?
And then someone else should build a road.
ian crossland
Well, I mean, that would take time.
eric july
Yes, it would.
ian crossland
What if they cut off your access to work?
eric july
But what's the incentive for them to do that?
Like, I know we're talking about- Vindication.
ian crossland
What if you angered them in a deal that- Hold on, hold on, hold on.
tim pool
I gotta make a ref call.
What if the police block a street and say, shove off?
eric july
That happens.
ian crossland
They do that all the time.
luke rudkowski
Or you can't go here if you don't have a mask.
tim pool
The cops in New York created something called the Frozen Zone.
eric july
It happens now.
tim pool
It was just made up.
luke rudkowski
They used it against me.
tim pool
You can't come on the street, it's frozen.
You're like, what does that mean?
eric july
I just want to know what the incentive is.
I know a lot of people talk about more roads, but I'm like, and they go to these extremes, and I'm like, what's the incentive there?
Like, it's always, what if this happens?
But hold on, human beings don't operate like that.
It's a purposeful act.
ian crossland
Use Vanderbilt as an example, because he owned the railroads going into New York City, and he decided he didn't like the way they were treating him, so he cut off access to New York City, and he starved the city out.
And they realized, we can't let a guy own the railroad anymore.
eric july
That is, I don't have that recollection of the railroad system.
tim pool
There's anti-trust laws for a reason, because people were doing stuff like that.
luke rudkowski
But they're not used, especially with Big Tech.
Not now?
eric july
Well, no, it's not even that.
Hold on, hold on.
Let's backtrack.
Let's talk about the railroads, though.
Was the state involved in... Alright, so how much of the rail... I'm assuming that you're familiar with the story.
How much of the railroads did that man own?
ian crossland
He owned, as far as I know, he owned the railroads.
eric july
He built it.
Alright, he owned all of the railroads.
Are you familiar with, like... Because again, and I'm not asking this sarcastically, I genuinely want to know, what was the scenario in which that one individual controlled all of the railroads?
I would have to.
I want to know that because I have a hard time believing that one person on the railroad and there was no state involvement.
I have absolutely.
I don't believe that that was the case.
I just cannot believe that because that has virtually never happened anywhere else.
It didn't happen with Bill, which is the closest thing that we get.
point to in America when we talk about actual monopolization.
And it didn't happen with the bail monopoly.
So I don't understand why we talk about these instances.
I want to know where that came from.
I'm very curious.
luke rudkowski
Well, another thing we have to realize is humans have an initiative to be cooperative
with each other.
They have an initiative to work with each other and to be in a way where they are able
to work problems out with each other without, you know, of course, using force.
Because when you use force, everyone loses.
So I see a huge reduction of harm.
It's not going to be perfect.
Some people are going to get hurt.
eric july
We don't pretend like it won't happen.
luke rudkowski
You can't act like you're a communist and everything's going to be solved overnight.
But it's surely going to be way better than the system that we have now.
eric july
And it goes back to what we were talking about earlier.
Even if I don't or anybody in this room doesn't have the answer, doesn't mean someone else won't.
ian crossland
Here's some info.
Vanderbilt was a shipping guy.
He made his fortune in shipping.
In the 1850s he turned his attention to the railroad, bought up so much stock in the New York and Harlem Railroad that by 1863 he owned the line.
He later acquired the Hudson River Railroad and the New York Central Railroad and consolidated them in 1869.
eric july
OK, so like I said, I want to know more about that particular process.
I want to know more about what was what more.
So it allowed him.
How was that one person allowed to do that?
Like not what he did more.
ian crossland
So I don't think antitrust laws existed till after Rockefeller Standard Oil.
eric july
But I don't think that first of all, that didn't protect none of that prevents monopolization anyway.
Again, when we talk about the monopolies that have existed throughout America, the ones that you can point to every single one of them.
You want to compete with us?
and by way of the state being involved in benefiting the person who wanted to own all
of this.
It's not like, oh, I went here, you had something that I wanted to purchase voluntarily so I
bought it.
It's no.
What happened with the bill monopoly, it was, well, hold on, here's this service that we're
going to provide.
You want to compete with us?
No, you can't.
Because we worked with the government, and the state has made it illegal for anybody
Like that has happened and this is why when we talk about moving or rather transitioning from the system it is that we have right now.
You can't look at it through the lens of the, what if Bezos, what if this person, this person that got extremely wealthy off of government contracts, we can't look at it through that lens because that's not what we're, we're not living that right now.
ian crossland
Vanderbilt didn't get rich out of the government.
He was a shipping, private enterprise guy.
eric july
Well, I'm not talking about how he got his money, and even with shipping, I want to know to the extent, and again, I'm not familiar with it, I don't know, so I'm not going to pretend like I have the answer to that, but I just have a very hard time believing that one person, without any sort of competition, because I can't find any other example where that has existed, without any sort of competition, or rather more so, without the assistance of the state, was able to just up and say, you know what, I now own everything it is that exists.
I can't process that.
But if it's true, okay.
But I have a hard time believing that.
I'm going to have to look at the receipt to myself on that because I'm not going to pretend like I have the answer.
I just have a hard time believing that that was the case where someone just voluntarily was able to monopolize an entire industry.
I have a hard time believing that.
ian crossland
There's a good documentary called The Men Who Built America that's worth checking out.
luke rudkowski
Uh, well, you know, if you look at any super rich, powerful individual today, they got that way from manipulating the current system that we're under and using a form of socialism for the super rich while screw off everyone else, just do whatever you can to stay afloat.
While of course, uh, the super rich gets tax breaks, incentives and grants and handouts.
Uh, while of course the majority of people were screwed over.
ian crossland
Before government, before really we had government, it was all private.
People would go form their own cities and they would be like the god of their- John Astor built Astoria, New York.
He was the god of Astoria.
And there was no oversight.
They were the- they became the god.
eric july
When did that- I have never heard of that exist.
ian crossland
I mean Rome was built after a guy named Romulus.
eric july
But that didn't happen even with slavery.
When we talk about the country being built by people that were through private enterprise, that didn't happen then.
So I'm having a hard time believing that there's a gap.
Happened in which okay all of these people got rich no state no and not using any sort of form of statism And we're able to be the sole the sole producer of that again that didn't even happen with slavery when you talk about slave codes Fresh off the boat where that was a status institution, so I just have a hard time More so more so believing that I get the fear of I get the fear, but for the most part of these examples,
you can always point to, well, this person was able to leverage the state, local government,
or something like that, to be able to either price, you know, we gotta talk about minimum wage laws
and how that has existed and how union workers would utilize this to price certain people out of the
market.
This is stuff that has existed over the course of America's history.
So I don't believe that there was ever a gap where the state wasn't, if there was a true monopolization,
because this is one thing to be uber rich.
I'm not like anti-rich and I'm not suggesting that there aren't people that got rich
by way of voluntary exchange.
But if they become the sole producer, generally that means that they made it illegal
for someone else to produce.
They made it illegal for that person to be able to make that particular product.
IP laws is another example in how that has been utilized to manipulate that, where we see one company owns the patent for this, and no matter if someone wants to make that particular, let's say, drug or something like that for cheaper, they can't.
They can't, right?
So I'm just using that as a kind of wild example, but that's an example of how that sort of stuff exists.
So, I'm gonna have to look at the receipts on that.
tim pool
Alright, let's see.
Bub Savvy says, Tim, you cleared up the railroad question with Hotep.
How long until Rockefeller would have to answer to the people and collaborate to prevent vandalism?
eric july
Yeah, that's a good point.
Like, no, that's why we talk about incentive.
Like, I know the people's brains, definitely nowadays, we see how evil the government is.
It immediately defaults to what is the absolute worst that can happen.
So someone comes up with some Complicated scenario what if this happened and then that happened and that happened and I have to ask the question like why was that?
Knowing that human beings act Purposeful action I guess why I would call economics the study of human action right not number messing around with numbers and stuff, but why?
Did that person act in the way that they act so what incentive does a person that oh?
I own the one One road, right?
That can get to and fro.
And that person decides, OK, I don't want anybody else on it.
What incentive does he have to do that?
He's not going to be able to get goods, transport.
But that's it, right?
Ideology.
But who's to say?
tim pool
Just a general hatred or emotion.
eric july
That can be a thing.
But that's what I'm saying.
Like, how likely is it that someone, when we talk, we talk about trucking and stuff like that and the concept of transportation.
Why on earth would someone that definitely, if the idea, let's say if it's greed or something like that, why would they derail that particular, let's say, source of income just for the sake of hating somebody?
ian crossland
If I owned all the roads in this neighborhood where you live... Which would be nearly impossible for you to do.
If somebody owned all the roads in this neighborhood because they bought them all from someone else.
Again, that is a... But it's possible under the thing you're saying.
eric july
No, it's not!
ian crossland
It's highly unlikely.
What were you saying?
The government would dictate that?
eric july
No, I'm saying that when free people act and compete with each other, it is highly unlikely for you to do that unless you are preventing someone else.
But it's possible.
No, not at all!
ian crossland
Highly unlikely, yes.
Possible, yes.
eric july
Hell, it's possible that I could slip down the, we talk about 99% survival rate.
You can't criticize or fear, let's say, this concept existing just because it might be possible.
ian crossland
Hold on a second.
tim pool
You've been talking for 20 minutes.
ian crossland
I'm going to finish this statement.
Hold on a second.
Consolidation of wealth is a common tactic.
So if I owned all the roads in the neighborhood where you lived, listen to me, and your wife bothered me and I wanted to screw you, I could.
That's very dangerous.
tim pool
Okay, here's a question.
eric july
First of all, that again, in order to do that, it would be nearly impossible for you to enforce that, by the way.
tim pool
Not if it has private security.
eric july
So enforce one person on a road, and that's another thing when we talk about the privatization of roads.
How about you?
You explain to me how you're going to enforce that.
tim pool
Hire a hundred guys?
Hire a hundred guys to do what?
To block the road for you specifically.
eric july
For me, just for me.
tim pool
And this happens.
When I was in LA, I went to the Staples Center.
eric july
But just for you, no.
But I'm saying, I understand that people travel, people have warrants and stuff like that.
But you know right now, there are people that have like warrants, let's say, for their arrests right now that go out there and travel just relatively freely.
Right now.
And so how likely is it, and this is my frustration with that question because it operates under a completely nonsensical hypothetical.
tim pool
No, it's not.
There are business chains that have people's pictures of your band for life.
There's casino chains.
eric july
Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
But that's a casino, that's not a road!
You see what I mean?
You're talking about a means of travel where hundreds, not hundreds, but really thousands of people may travel.
Yes, because how difficult is it for you to enforce that?
tim pool
The road?
eric july
Versus you being in someone's- Extremely easily.
tim pool
Two guys with a checkpoint and guns.
eric july
What would you do all the checkpoints?
Are you gonna have a person at every single checkpoint checking every single talking going to and fro?
tim pool
But that's not gonna hold on man.
eric july
He said one road and to screw with that's not what he said No, first of all, he said that if he if he wanted to screw me over he would have to own all of the roads so first and foremost, he's operating under A nonsensical example.
tim pool
Let's say there's a highway that I control.
You take my road and you get to the city in an hour.
Otherwise, you gotta go around.
It takes 10 hours.
unidentified
I own the road.
eric july
Again, why are we operating yet again on another nonsensical example?
Nonsensical because how likely is it in a free society that only one road would get one place?
To where you had to go around for a one-hour trip to a ten-hour trip.
tim pool
It's called the bridges in South Jersey.
eric july
That is, again, entirely monopolized by way of the government right now.
So we're talking about... Yes, exactly.
Exactly, but we're not talking about that right now.
We're not talking about an example that exists right now and then trying to put what it is that I advocate On that particular example.
That's why I keep saying that you're operating on a straw man.
You're operating, you're trying to look through it, through the lens of what exists right now.
I'm not advocating what exists right now.
We have nothing close to what it is that I... We have Twitter.
Huh?
tim pool
Twitter.
eric july
Yes, what about it?
tim pool
Twitter monopolized political discourse.
eric july
How did they monopolize political discourse?
We're talking about politics right now.
On YouTube.
luke rudkowski
Where are we talking about the roads?
tim pool
So there's absolute monopoly.
eric july
And I'm not saying, again, maybe you'll understand it.
Is PayPal a monopoly?
No, I don't consider PayPal a monopoly.
tim pool
Even though they control 80% of internet financial exchange.
eric july
Yes, I would not consider it.
But I'm not saying that there's not a problem there.
That's not what it is that I'm advocating.
tim pool
You know that if you're banned from PayPal, you can't operate on basically, you can't make money off any platform.
eric july
Yes, and how did we get to that point?
tim pool
Because PayPal is the first and best dressed.
unidentified
First in, best dressed.
tim pool
What it means is PayPal was one of the first platforms to allow interchange between various internet companies.
Because everyone used it, it was the easiest way for people to function.
We now have some competition.
One company, Stripe.
But Stripe has a lot of the same policies as PayPal.
You get banned from PayPal, you're not making money on the internet anymore.
eric july
So what's the point?
I'm asking you for the point.
What do you mean?
tim pool
PayPal's banned conservatives and right-wing individuals for no reason.
eric july
I understand that.
tim pool
And destroyed their libraries and their businesses.
eric july
I understand that.
But I'm trying to understand what the point is here.
tim pool
What Ian was saying is that, for seemingly arbitrary or ideological reasons, people who have massive control over industries... Again, here we go, operating under the premise that that is a thing.
PayPal is a thing.
eric july
I understand that PayPal is a thing.
We're talking about transportation and roads, okay?
So with that being said, how likely of a scenario in a completely free society, why is it that the default is that one person controls the road?
That doesn't even happen in the country right now.
ian crossland
It's Vanderbilt, dude.
tim pool
No, it doesn't!
eric july
I know this!
That's what I'm saying, though.
That's exactly the point.
luke rudkowski
I think what Eric is trying to say here, to make this kind of simple, is that there's a lot of bad people out there.
But for the bad people to use institutions and systems to enforce their bad ideas is a lot more harmful than if there was a decentralization and they didn't have those larger institutions to force or hurt people.
eric july
And why that is that is silly because the government is the one institution that can monopolize thing and they monopolized all of these things and for someone to say that that is the solution I don't come I don't even understand how the government makes sure that no one person owns all the roads and again they do well they actually do that they the government the state themselves I mean that's why that's what they do with the railroads for instance well no I'm saying that's how the transportation system works in this country right now so why is it okay for the state to monopolize it But you think, you fear so much that there is, let's say, some private individual that would do it.
Why is it preferable that- Because we own the state.
No, we don't.
ian crossland
That's the way the government's working.
eric july
That's not how it works.
You may not feel like that.
No, no.
Legitimately speaking, that is an incorrect thing to say.
tim pool
Have you ever seen a private security guard punch a cop in the face?
eric july
No.
tim pool
They do it all the time.
You got high-powered six-figure security guards who will punch a cop in the face.
You can watch the videos online.
A cop will walk up and there'll be a high-profile... Oh, yes, I know, I get that.
eric july
People beef on the cops all hell.
I went to jail for beefing with the cops.
tim pool
No, no, the point is, if you've got... at least the police have some accountability.
Mobs don't.
eric july
Who?
tim pool
Mobs don't.
eric july
What?
tim pool
Who are mobs?
Who are large gangs accountable to?
If you live in the south side of Chicago and a gangbanger kills your brother or friend, who are you going to call?
What are you going to do about it?
Are you going to go to the gang leader and be like, well, I want some reconciliation or something?
luke rudkowski
Well, they do it now and there's barely any reconciliation.
unidentified
There's a lot of murders that go unsolved in Chicago anyway.
tim pool
Right, that's the point.
You have no way to hold any of these gangs accountable except for going to the police.
luke rudkowski
No, no, no.
Even if you go to the police, you don't get any accountability in the South Side of Chicago.
Yes, you'll get any accountability.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on.
You guys are speaking in absolute terms that is not correct, okay?
I'll tell you this.
If there is a 1% chance that I go to the cops and say, I'm mad that guy killed someone I know, there's a 1% chance something gets resolved, it's better than going to the gang and he's gonna laugh in your face or point a gun in your face.
eric july
So, why do we look at it like the state itself isn't a gang?
tim pool
I didn't say it wasn't.
I said at least there's some accountability.
eric july
So you just want a bigger gang then?
You don't think there's accountability?
I grew up banging, by the way.
You don't think there's accountability among gang members?
How do you think we operate?
tim pool
There is, but not for people outside the gang.
The people in my neighborhood who get killed get nothing.
But if you're in the gang, and you commit some infraction, they say, we'll take care of it.
eric july
That doesn't happen with the state?
tim pool
Same thing with Antifa, same thing with cops.
eric july
That doesn't happen with the state?
luke rudkowski
It just happens on a grander, bigger level in the Middle East.
tim pool
I tell you this, when you have these cops, in all these different circumstances, who are involved in justified shootings, like an actual incident where they were being shot at or something, and defended themselves, and they still get fired, and they still get prosecuted, so there is still some sense of accountability for the police.
luke rudkowski
That's not justice.
If you said that they were doing the right thing and they get punished, that's not accountability.
tim pool
That's not an argument.
I'm saying the fact exists that there can be accountability for police.
eric july
First of all, what do you think it is that we're advocating?
I think we have a big time confusion here because I'm advocating for privatized forms of security and law, so I'm not advocating for a complete freaking free-for-all.
You're looking at it as if the state is Who has more accountability?
which I think that is being, that's overstating it.
But I would love more so for Vi, like I don't know if it, how exactly again we talk about markets.
tim pool
Who has more accountability, G4S or NYPD?
eric july
Like why does that, what are you asking in that question?
Like why are you asking me that?
Serious question.
tim pool
Because we're, you were talking about.
eric july
But what's the point?
tim pool
Why are you asking me that in the sense of... So the conversation started with a discussion about a private road and an individual being able to tell you to go shove off.
eric july
Right, but again, we're looking at it like, alright, at least this exists here, right?
What I am advocating for, and this is going to apply to you as well, is that there is a market that exist.
I accept the idea that there's a bunch of water bottle companies, right?
A bunch of people that can create water.
I have Dasani, Ozarka, Aquafina, Smart.
There's all these sorts of companies that can do that and they compete with each other, right?
tim pool
And Municipal Water.
They compete with Municipal Water too.
eric july
What I'm saying is that all of these exist For the law it does not, right now.
That is completely monopolized by way of the state.
What I am advocating is, is that that system in itself Be voluntarily arrived in a sense that there are competing firms.
So I don't want one instance in which, because it's funny how we immediately go to the extreme, right?
What if this?
Hold on, let me finish.
tim pool
You just made a point, I gotta answer it.
unidentified
No, no, no, I haven't made the ending point.
eric july
What you're advocating, let's talk about the endgame of that, this whole what-if scenario.
Well, what if I, or let's say any other, any person, wants to become, let's say, ruler of said land and utilizes the same state that you think?
is supposed to protect you and then kills I don't know one two three six million people.
The government itself the state is most attributed to we're talking actual like forms of
democide and killing their own citizens. You will find more instances of that which is why it's
complete lunacy. Let's go back to the police. It's complete lunacy. Hold on hold on I just want to
It's complete lunacy to act as if what I'm advocating is something that is extremely crazy when the ideology that basically you're advocating for, which is the state, is far more responsible, far more examples of them killing more people than what it is that I'm advocating.
Let's talk about blocking people.
Let's talk about Nazi Germany.
tim pool
That's the endgame.
luke rudkowski
Let's go way back to the police.
tim pool
So what happens if I hire a law enforcement agency and they arrest you and I'm a high paying customer with tons of contracts with this company and you're not?
eric july
I just don't understand why we keep having to operate on a what if where we go to the most extreme example.
tim pool
How's that extreme?
eric july
It is, it's very extreme, because you're operating under this guise that this setup was that, okay, that's exactly what it is that I want, so it's a what if.
I didn't say that that's what I- You said you weren't competing law enforcement, right?
Yes, no, no, what I want is competing firms.
How that comes to about, I have no idea, no way to predict that, you don't, I can think I just want a system where the labor is controlled by the people.
No, it's not. I'm not advocating for a free society.
tim pool
You just said no whatever.
eric july
Utopian means perfect society. I'm not advocating for a free society.
You just said no whatever.
No, I'm saying what exactly.
That's the point because I don't know.
You don't know either. None of us know.
If I knew, we wouldn't be talking about it.
No, you can have it.
You can theorize.
tim pool
That's exactly it.
I just want a system where the labor is controlled by the people.
eric july
Why don't we just do that?
tim pool
Do it!
Because it doesn't work!
Communism fails every single time!
eric july
Okay, yes it fails every single time.
I think you should be free to act that out voluntarily.
That's all I'm saying.
luke rudkowski
Let it fail.
eric july
Don't use force.
unidentified
Tell these government agents to keep forcing a failed idea on people.
tim pool
That's all I'm saying.
That's all I'm saying.
eric july
But I'm not operating on utopianism because I'm not pretending like there won't be an instance where someone gets murdered.
There won't be an instance where someone has a wrongdoing.
I'm not stupid enough to advocate that but it's a silly that's why it's so silly
for someone to try to pin this like definitely on the ideology it is that i advocate to try to
pin this like uber perfect oh what is if this happens what is the what how does eric july and
libertarianism solve it the whole point of a market is that i don't know well when you bring it up
ian crossland
let the market idea i want to brainstorm that idea
eric july
I'm all about that.
ian crossland
That's what we're doing right now.
So I will give you the biggest flaw I can see.
eric july
But you can't say, my issue with that, especially what you're saying, utopianism, because you're pretending like I'm saying that it's perfect.
tim pool
I am not under any sort of... You got manhandled by private security.
Was it G4S?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
And where were you, Bilderberg?
luke rudkowski
There's a lot of, like, security that I have confrontations with.
tim pool
You ever file a complaint?
luke rudkowski
No, usually it's the police that arrest me and harass me more and make up bullcrap stuff on me.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
I know.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
tim pool
Have you ever filed a complaint against cops?
luke rudkowski
I actually did, yes.
Yes, in New York City, I was beat up by the cops when I was 16, and I filed a complaint, went with the Civilian Complaint Review Board, and after investigating, they found no instance of anything that happened, and it was all bullcrap that just absolutely wasted my time and nothing... You ever complain about the private security that's roughed you up?
Um, I see... Come on, dude, you can't.
What private security?
I mean, what private security are you specifically talking about?
tim pool
You did a video where G4S was roughing you up at some hotel.
luke rudkowski
Uh, that wasn't G4S.
That was the private hotel security, and then police officers came and assaulted me, and then arrested me, and put me in a cage.
When the security was trying to manhandle me, I pushed them back.
unidentified
I walked away from them, and I told them if they aggressed on me, I'm... What do you mean?
tim pool
What's the solution?
luke rudkowski
The solution is we don't know the answer.
We don't know the solution, but I think it's best to strive towards a decentralization, towards a society where we are responsible for ourselves and don't depend on anyone else.
eric july
You think the government should control food?
unidentified
No.
eric july
Okay.
Do you think they should control, let's say, um, clothing, right?
Should they, should they control clothing?
Okay.
So why is it that you think that they are best suited, the state, right?
The government, that's essentially the state, the territorial monopoly.
Why you think that they are best suited to, let's say, solve all of these problems that I guess you, you, maybe you, that we're, we're talking about an instance where someone's, I'll give you one example.
tim pool
We have a constitution that guarantees me certain rights, and often those rights get trampled on.
But at least there is a semblance of accountability.
I've been through this system.
I've been wrongly arrested on more than one occasion, and I've gotten my albeit imperfect version of justice in that I don't think I should have been arrested in the first place, but I end up winning.
Now I've also been manhandled by private security who laugh in my face and who am I gonna call?
I'm gonna call.
I'd like to file a complaint with your company.
Are you a customer?
No?
Then bye.
Click.
eric july
Well, I mean, well, we certainly don't have any instances.
This is why I don't understand the mentioning of that because right now we don't have like it's competing firms right now.
tim pool
Competing firms in what capacity?
What do you mean?
eric july
And when I say competing firms, I'm saying when we talk about right now the state monopolizes law.
It decides what's wrong.
It decides what's right.
tim pool
We have competing firms.
unidentified
No we don't.
eric july
No we don't.
What do you mean?
No, we don't have compete—no, the state monopoly—there is no competition against, let's say, the state.
What they say, goals, is ultimately— Yeah, it's called cashmere.
They may—they may—who?
tim pool
Cashmere.
eric july
What about—what about cashmere?
tim pool
You've got two different governments fighting for control over what belongs.
eric july
Well, no, but again, I understand that, but no, we have—'cause we have federal governments, we have state—state and we have state governments, we have local governments.
That's states competing with other states and that's why I would prefer that they be broken up for that exact reason because I would prefer them actually competing with each other in a sense that definitely when it comes to my mobility and being able to move, I would prefer that be a thing as opposed to government or one world government or something like that.
tim pool
Yeah, so like cities have different laws, states have different laws, counties have laws.
Countries have laws.
eric july
Right.
tim pool
So you can freely move to a different place with different laws if you don't like the laws here.
eric july
Yes, exactly.
tim pool
That's competition.
eric july
Well, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
That's why everybody wants to come to America.
eric july
What I want is more of that.
This is why I would prefer decentralization, right?
Because why, if I accept that Canada is different from America, why can't I accept that Texas be different from the rest of the United States?
Exactly, that's what I'm saying.
That's what I'm advocating for as a solution.
tim pool
I don't agree with private law and judiciary in the United States.
eric july
Well, there wouldn't be a United States if that was the case.
tim pool
Like, if Virginia's got its own laws, and West Virginia's got its own laws, and that's a fact, then you can choose to live in one of the other states.
eric july
Bingo!
This is why I advocate for decentralization.
tim pool
Yeah, so, the initial conversation we were talking about is someone owning a road and deciding to cut you off because they can.
eric july
Yes.
tim pool
And that happens.
eric july
Yes.
Oh yeah, and the state cuts me off all the time.
Business licensing and all sorts of stuff.
It's the exact same thing.
No, no, it's not the exact same thing because when they get to do that, I actually, it's more likely that I can fight against someone else than I can the state anyway.
There's nothing if the state- This is bigger monopolies.
Exactly.
That's the problem.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, we don't want big monopolies.
eric july
I don't want the big monopoly.
That's the thing.
I don't want that monopolization.
That's the whole reason why I advocate what it is that I advocate.
tim pool
So, when you're talking about competing firms, it exists.
eric july
Not in a libertarian sense, no.
I want more comp- I want more comp- I don't want to be- Move to- What's that state in Mexico?
luke rudkowski
I don't- Uh, Tehran.
tim pool
Tehran.
Why aren't you there?
eric july
Because I'm here.
Or, well, I'm out of Texas.
I would rather decentralize that, because I live there.
I was from there.
That's more so what I want.
Why am I required by... Do you tell people that, I don't know, get aggressed upon to just stop getting aggressed upon?
tim pool
If you live in a bad neighborhood, leave the neighborhood.
eric july
Yes, so that's what you tell them instead of, I don't know, punting.
I know I moved away from where I was from, but that's not the ultimate solution.
That person still did something wrong to that person at the end of the day.
That's wrong, right?
You would agree murder, theft, and all those sorts of things.
Rape, those are very bad things.
And the last thing, I don't tell a woman that gets raped, well, you shouldn't have wore that skirt.
We don't tell people that.
tim pool
That's a totally different argument.
eric july
No, it's not.
It's the same argument that you just made, Tim!
tim pool
No, it isn't.
eric july
Yes, it is!
tim pool
No, it isn't.
Yes, it is!
eric july
No, stop.
tim pool
The argument I made is, if you keep going into an alley and getting robbed, stop going in the alley.
eric july
You just made that same argument.
unidentified
No, I didn't.
eric july
Yes, you did.
Yes, you did.
You made the same argument that you're not placing the responsibility.
If you live in a bad area... Yes, I know that, but that's what I'm saying.
When it comes to the wrongdoing... You have choices.
tim pool
Yes, you have choices, so... I was telling someone to leave a bad neighborhood the same as blaming them for wearing clothes and getting raped.
eric july
Why is it not?
No it's not because you're saying that if someone said let's say a female dressed a certain kind of way and that person and that you know I don't know someone liked the way that that person looked and that person committed an act of aggression be it an assault, rape or what have you.
That's the same exact argument.
You're the abuser, it's not me.
Yes it is!
I'm not the abuser!
Because we're talking about the state Right?
If I'm in a bad neighborhood, it doesn't even have to be a state, we're talking about actual aggressors.
If I'm in a bad neighborhood, I understand that yes, I'm in a bad neighborhood.
Is it preferable if I have the mobility to be able to move?
Absolutely.
That doesn't change the fact that those people that are being destructive to their community I didn't say they weren't.
That is nothing to do with what I said.
why I'm not saying I don't default to yes it's preferable if someone is using
aggression upon you try to go the other way this turn the other cheek we say
that stuff all the time rather defend defend what is art explain it to me one
unidentified
more time I want to get your argument right if somebody is like here's a dark
tim pool
alley that I've been robbed in three times And you're like, that's crazy.
And they go, I'm gonna go walk through it again.
Wouldn't you be like, Hey, maybe you shouldn't do that.
eric july
All right.
All right.
I'm gonna try to use it.
Let me, let me, let's, let's try to see if this is the same analogy.
Someone no, knowingly got, let's say assaulted.
tim pool
They've been assaulted several times.
eric july
No, no.
tim pool
That's what I have a choice.
eric july
Someone who was sexually assaulted by way.
Of, you know, the person was attracted to them because they wore whatever, whatever thing that they, that it is that they wore.
If they choose to wear that same thing.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Wearing clothes is not walking through an alley.
eric july
But that, of course, is not the same exact thing.
That's why I said an analogy, Tim.
tim pool
No, that's not, that's a totally different argument.
eric july
How is it a different argument?
Explain.
tim pool
You have an alley.
eric july
Yes.
tim pool
Where there's crime.
eric july
Yes.
tim pool
And you keep going in there.
eric july
Yes.
And you keep getting... Alright, that's, I'm using the same exact thing.
You have a person that's wearing clothing, right?
And they get, because they dress in a certain way, men or whatever, grab and gun them?
tim pool
They're getting raped by the same people because they're wearing the same clothes every time?
eric july
That's a very well possibility.
tim pool
Then the argument is stop going around those people and leave the neighborhood!
eric july
No shit!
Tim, I understand that.
I'm not saying that that isn't the preferable thing to do.
What I'm saying is I don't blame that person.
For wearing those sorts of clothes, and I don't default there when that person is aggressed upon.
So when you say, well, just move, that's why I'm using that exact example, because all you're doing is telling the woman, after she has been assaulted, because of what she's wearing, you tell her, just don't wear it.
tim pool
That's not a real argument.
unidentified
For clarification, Eric said ship.
luke rudkowski
And second, I see no one has been taking the ashwagandha I've been giving out to people.
I have been.
And are there more Super Chats that maybe have more input on this?
tim pool
I love the idea that there are people who live in cities that are upset that they choose to live in this city, and they do, and they're mad they gotta pay taxes on that city.
unidentified
Because I literally walked away.
tim pool
Slept in parks, got in my car and just left.
And you know what?
I was broke and I said, whatever.
It's my choice to choose where I'm going to be.
How is it incumbent upon someone else's neighborhood to provide for me because I don't want to leave?
eric july
I certainly haven't made that argument that it's on the neighborhood to provide anything for anybody.
All I'm saying is that I don't blame that person for being in that situation just because
whether they was raised that way, whether they got family there, whether they got kids
and if someone is being, is aggressing upon them, I don't say, oh well, you just leave,
right?
No, I'm like, oh, that aggression is bad.
Is it preferable considering that that is the circumstance that you live in to get the
hell out of there?
Absolutely.
That's what I did.
I grew up claiming blood.
I grew up doing all of that stuff.
And of course it was preferable for me to remove myself from that.
That doesn't change the fact that I, as a person that grew up doing that, was terrorizing my own community.
It has everything to do with what we're talking about, Tim, because that's what I'm saying.
That that is on the aggressors.
I was actually the aggressor back then, terrorizing my own community.
So I get it.
I'm not disagreeing with the idea that if you can, if you have that mobility to be able to get the hell out, do it.
But that is not, I'm not gonna say because someone aggressed upon someone that was living in South Dallas, living in Chicago, or living in a rural part of L.A.
that they should just up and leave.
No, it is wrong what their government is doing.
It's wrong for gang members in a certain area or whatever wrongdoing is happening.
tim pool
So let's step back from the extremist argument and put it this way.
You have a choice to live in New York City.
New York City's got a city income tax.
eric july
Yes.
tim pool
Okay, that's crazy.
You can leave.
unidentified
Yeah, you can.
tim pool
There are competing jurisdictions vying for your resources, your money, your labor.
eric july
And that's why I agree with you 100%.
That's why I want more of them.
tim pool
And we have tens of thousands.
eric july
Yeah, well we have 50 in terms of the states.
I'd love if there were more.
tim pool
There's other countries.
eric july
No, there's other countries.
tim pool
Mexico?
eric july
Yes, I understand there's other countries, but that doesn't stand to it.
tim pool
Why aren't you in Tehran?
eric july
Because I'm here.
tim pool
But you can go there.
eric july
I can go.
I can go anywhere.
I can go a lot of places, but I don't.
I live actually in a place that I actually like.
It's part of why I would want to break away from the federal government, because the federal government is the bigger aggressor than Texas, where I'm at.
So I want them off my back.
So I would rather separate from them than move, I don't know, away from somewhere else.
I like where it is that I am.
And again, this is why it's the weird question.
luke rudkowski
There's two different approaches here, and I think both of them have merit.
tim pool
Well, it's an interesting philosophical argument that I don't want to leave so everyone else should change, even though most people seem to agree with it.
eric july
What?
tim pool
Most people in this country are totally fine with the way things are going.
Yeah, so why vote?
eric july
Why vote or do any of that thing then?
Because, yeah, people disagree.
They show ways by way of voting with their dollar, by way of actually voting, by way of the state.
They all show that they disagree in some way, shape, or form.
That's a complete non-argument.
Everybody everywhere, for the most part, is disagreeing with people.
Yes, of course, there are more, let's say, non-libertarians than me.
There's also more, let's say, where I'm living at may be more red.
There's more uh republicans and there are democrats a complete non-argument of course we disagree but the what i'm the point that i'm trying to make is that i would much rather the reason why i would i don't i don't i don't mind secession because it gets the power closer to the individual so i i i agree with the point you're actually making the argument for me this idea that well well west virginia is different from
From Maryland, so I'd rather go there.
Okay, I would want that applied even more.
tim pool
The simple thing out of all this is, you like living under the rules of the federal government more than you would prefer to leave that government.
eric july
No, I like the... there's a multitude of different reasons as to why I live where I live.
What it ultimately boils down to is that I like where it is that I am.
I love it.
Don't get me wrong.
I like the culture.
I have a lot of like-minded people that live around me.
Who is on my back right now the most is the federal government.
And that doesn't mean if the federal government completely gets out the way that there isn't a fight to be had.
It's an easier fight to be had to oppose, let's say, the Denton County Or whatever, as it is to oppose Texas.
As, likewise, it's easier to oppose Texas government than it is to oppose the federal government.
So again, I agree with that point.
It's actually making my point on why I think that there should be more, especially if we're going to come to some sort of peaceful concession.
tim pool
And what it all comes down to is you would rather live where you are with all the problems you have with the federal government than in a freer state like your own.
eric july
No, no, that's not what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is I like... That's facts.
tim pool
Otherwise you'd be there.
If you wanted to be there, you'd be there.
Exactly!
eric july
That's the point.
You don't want to be there.
I don't want to be there, but you're trying to put the reason why I want to be there on me, and I think that's disingenuous for you to do that, Tim.
tim pool
How is that disingenuous?
You'd rather be in one place than another.
eric july
Yes, absolutely.
I'd rather be a place than another.
I don't want to live there.
I'm not familiar with the culture.
I was not raised there.
I don't want to be there.
There are a multitude of different reasons because I don't want to Go somewhere else.
It's a complete non-argument.
It doesn't mean anything because what I'm talking about right now is that in this instance the federal government is my biggest beef.
They tax me the most.
When it comes to some of these would be social security and all these sorts of things that have to come out of my check or rather they expect to be paid that.
I don't want that.
So I fight against that.
Yes, there are other reasons why, culturally, I don't want to be somewhere else.
So it's not because it's necessarily just freer.
That's only one aspect.
Yeah, I can go to somewhere that may be quote-unquote freer.
My family's not there.
tim pool
So the real problem is...
As civilizations scale up, and all land falls under certain jurisdictions, then there's nowhere for you to go.
And what do you do when most of the people in the country are fine with the way things are going?
You can fight for it, you can advocate for it.
eric july
That's exactly, and that's what I do.
That's why I am as vocal as I am about the philosophy it is that I adopt, because I want to see some sort of change.
Other people do it in different ways.
Some people want to enact change by way of voting.
Some people want to enact change by way of community activism, church, or whatever it is.
They have their ways of going about it.
My battle to fight is here.
That's where it's at.
I don't want to bail.
I don't want to just leave.
My battle is fight.
I was raised here.
I understand the language.
I understand the culture.
This is where my battle is and I want to work towards a freer society.
And I'm far more useful here than going somewhere else just up and bailing just because they may be quote-unquote freer.
It's not about me wanting to live under this particular federal government and not under where somewhere is free.
No, that's just one aspect Of it.
The thing is, there's an endgame that I ultimately would like to work to.
And I want to fight the battle here.
This is where I am familiar.
This is where I feel that I'm supposed to be.
I'm not supposed to be in wherever the place it is.
Tehran.
Tehran.
And Mexico.
I don't know where that's at.
I don't live there.
luke rudkowski
Things that are challenging are fun.
I like challenges.
tim pool
The start of the conversation was basically competing judiciary systems, I suppose, or legislative systems.
eric july
Yes.
tim pool
And they exist.
eric july
Yeah, I know they exist.
I never said they didn't exist.
What I'm saying more so is I want more of those to exist and I want it to be far more competitive.
What we have right now, when you look, when you consider what the federal government is, is that it has monopolized this entire land and there are rules that we must follow.
half of them don't even make sense considering the geographical area that I'm in, that unfortunately
they impede on people's freedom, on people's rights, and I don't like that.
So I would rather dissolve that, and that's one less problem.
That doesn't mean that that's the end all.
That doesn't mean it stops.
That doesn't mean just because, oh, the federal government broke up and now the states are
now countries or what have you.
That means the battle stopped?
No.
I always say that it is not necessarily a battle of might, it's a battle of wits.
I'm not completely oblivious to the fact that I live somewhere that most people here aren't
libertarians.
I'm not completely oblivious to that.
I know that.
This is why it's an educational war as much as it is a moral might.
Because if we, this is why I wouldn't side with the Antifa type.
If we ended the government as is right now, where have we gotten?
Nowhere!
All that's going to happen is, is that a new one is going to form in this place as long as the people that are living there still think the same way it is that they think.
And this is why I say it's just as much educational as it is about a mind.
ian crossland
I agree that the federal government's got to integrate in what we're doing, but I also think that there's importance in regulation, that the government does utilize regulation sometimes to Yeah, to destroy small businesses and allow Amazon and all these other big box companies to profit and destroy small businesses and regulation.
And sometimes it's to keep the roads free for everyone to use.
So I think there is a value to leaving some sort of federal government in place.
tim pool
Or making sure there's fluoride in people's drinking water so their teeth are clean.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, imagine if the government had a full monopoly on water.
How much crap would be in that water?
tim pool
Well, as we know, Luke, you're completely wrong because all they did was put fluoride in it and that made our teeth clean.
luke rudkowski
Yes, not a fan of the fluoride guzzlers.
I'm super curious what the superchats have to say about this conversation and where they stand.
I think maybe we could even do a poll saying if you agree with this kind of idea you press 1 or you press 2 if you disagree.
tim pool
JDTN says Tim is saying your situation sucks so leave.
Eric is saying your situation sucks so fix it.
Not true.
What I'm saying is, if you're advocating for competing legislative or judicial systems, and there's competition between them, you would, like, I'll put it this way.
Let's say there's a bunch of different burger restaurants, and you're like, man, I keep going to Burger King, it gets me sick every time.
Okay, go to Wendy's.
Right?
Or do you stand up and Burger King and demand they fix the burgers?
eric july
Absolutely.
Well, I mean, that's actually a form of more of a marketized form of regulation.
Because what happens if this Burger King or whatever did do that?
And I go run my big mouth about it.
This is why I'm against concepts like the Civil Rights Act.
And actually, there were examples of that.
One of the biggest myths is that well the southern states all just wanted to be very
racist against people.
That is factually incorrect.
You can look to examples like Plessy v. Ferguson where you had examples like the Louisiana
Boxcar Act, also known as the Separate Boxcar Act.
And there were actually companies that did not want to segregate their people.
That's not what they wanted to do.
They didn't want to segregate them, but instead what happened was, and this is why I had a
hard time believing that the state just up and allowed that, or the state wasn't utilized
to allow that sort of monopolization that we were mentioning earlier, the state, with
the Separate Boxcar Act, forced companies to segregate colored folk from black folk.
It was not a market.
The market itself, the actual company, which again don't take my word for anything, go look it up, was actually against that law for economic reasons.
It would cost them more to spend more money on boxcars having to try to separate the white folk from the colored folk.
So they themselves in the south We're against that particular law and there's instances that, for whatever reason, we don't talk about that.
luke rudkowski
Let's have the market decide.
Press 1 if you think Tim and Ian are correct.
Press 2 if you think me and Eric are correct.
tim pool
Well, I am right.
luke rudkowski
Let the crowd decide.
tim pool
Well, my point is, if you're advocating for the ability to choose between jurisdictions, you can do that.
I'm not saying you shouldn't try and fix the place you're living in.
luke rudkowski
I'm saying- We made a lot of different arguments, and I think Press 1, Tim and Ian Press 2, me and Luke and Eric.
tim pool
Or 9 or 7.
luke rudkowski
1 or 2.
Let the crowd decide.
I think that's the most interesting way to kind of burst this conversation in the comment section.
tim pool
Alright, so we just got in just a whole slew of superchats.
There's a whole bunch, man.
And they're all- Let me just- There's just so many.
Let's see.
I'll scroll down.
Tim is right.
Tim is the best.
luke rudkowski
Ensuring small gang tribal warfare is almost inevitable from anarchism.
There must be some type of social construct agreed upon to work.
tim pool
It's mixed. It is. Some people are saying that, you know, and I'll read this one.
Ensuring small gang tribal warfare is almost inevitable from anarchism.
There must be some type of social construct agreed upon to work.
People equals a disparaging term.
Eric, you're being defensive AF. Breathe, man. LOL JK.
eric july
You're all this is me like this is slight work like we're individuals that talk about Fun all the time.
It's a slight work.
I hate that's gas textbook gaslight man.
You relax.
luke rudkowski
They said well JK I rather have smaller conflicts than bigger Bigger conflicts, and someone like Joe Biden with his fingers on the nuclear trigger right now.
I'd rather have that.
So, my personal choice.
tim pool
TubeAmpsRule says, Ian, I've never seen you conclude your point more gentlemanly than you did today.
ian crossland
Thank you, sir.
luke rudkowski
You did good.
tim pool
TheDeadMan says, Ian should look up the story of Thorn from Destiny.
The gun is the focal point of the stories concerning multiple guardians.
Yeah, I've played Destiny, and yes, check it out.
Let's see.
Blaze88 says, Tim's logic equals move somewhere less free if you don't think you are free enough here.
That's absolutely incorrect.
I'm saying, first of all, I'm not leaving this country because I love the Constitution.
The Constitution needs to be enforced.
So I agree, we gotta fix these problems.
The federal government has been amassing too much power.
The shift away from local government into federal government has caused problems for everybody across the country.
So I think we all agree on that.
There's a reason why, if people have the choice to choose, if people have the choice between jurisdictions, it's funny how they keep choosing to come here.
Because, you know, it's the best in the world, isn't it?
Gotta fix a lot of the problems, though.
Alright, let's see.
We've gone way over, so let's just read a couple more.
Eddsworld says, Anarchy ends in pay to win.
Dylan Keller says, if you guys end the stream without spinning the male vitality, I'm gonna flip out.
ian crossland
Okay, I'm gonna try and get it back on.
It fell off the metal.
lydia smith
It fell down.
tim pool
Alright, alright, alright.
Dane Phillips says, just found out about Eric from the show last night.
Been watching his stuff all day.
Great stuff, Tim and co.
unidentified
Very cool.
tim pool
Now that we've gone an hour and 15 minutes over, I like your show.
unidentified
What?
luke rudkowski
That was fun, I like it.
ian crossland
That was a good show.
luke rudkowski
But you guys need to take Ashwagandha.
That's another topic.
tim pool
No, you need to take, isn't the male vitality?
luke rudkowski
I don't think we need less of that.
ian crossland
Male vitality from InfoWars life.
InfoWars.com.
Male vitality.
Spin that male vitality.
luke rudkowski
But it was an interesting debate.
It was fun.
And I think the comment section will let us know who they like more.
tim pool
I think it's fair to say we all agree that the state is the only source of moral good in the world, and that the ability of individuals to freely trade their goods is amoral and wrong, and that the only true utopia will emerge once we take away all of the rights of free trade and communize the entire planet under an authoritarian one-world government.
luke rudkowski
For the greater well-being.
for equality.
unidentified
That's the preference.
tim pool
That everyone's equal.
luke rudkowski
The great reset, you know?
We already have that.
It's happening, so, you know.
ian crossland
Just go with it.
tim pool
Yeah.
Decentralization and competition with a good referee in my opinion.
So I'm all in favor of a mixed economy and the U.S.
shifts a little bit back left and left and right but it's fairly in the middle when it comes to economic freedom.
It's far from a free market capitalism and a lot of regulation ends up becoming just gum in the gears of the machine making it messed up.
luke rudkowski
It's used as a weapon to hurt small businesses by big businesses.
eric july
And that's what it's historically done.
Minimum wage.
A lot of these things that people advocate right now were absolutely used to do just that.
To hurt competitors.
tim pool
You know what I think the problem is with the healthcare system?
Because I hear the people on the left saying, single payer, simplify everything.
And then I hear the right saying, free market, show the prices.
And I'm like, you know, those are both actually fine arguments.
There's a lot of pitfalls you could probably find in some of them for different reasons based on moral arguments.
But what we have right now is like, they took some of just different parts and just mashed it all together.
And our healthcare system isn't capitalist or socialist.
It's just a weird mash of corporate profit that doesn't really... A better way to put it is a bunch of people getting rich off the backs of a bunch of other people through the power of the state.
That's not a free market, and that's not a socialist system at all.
It's a broken mash of garbage.
So, there you go.
luke rudkowski
Socialism for the super rich.
ian crossland
Corporatist?
Oligarchy?
Is that what it is?
tim pool
It's just people who don't contribute extracting values in the power of the state.
That's what we have right now.
It's not, it's not, they say it's the capitalist, no it's not.
If it was capitalists, you'd have people competing with each other.
You know how much an aspirin costs.
You don't even know the price.
You go to the hospital and you're like, I went to the hospital several years ago.
I had a kidney stone.
They didn't give me a list of the prices of the breakdown.
They just gave me a bill for $25,000 a day later, after a day in the hospital.
And I called them and said, what is this?
I was like, 25 grand, I was in the hospital for a day.
And they were like, well, you know, just give us your insurance.
I said, I don't have insurance.
Because it was the week between when I left Vice and went to Fusion.
And here's what they said.
Oh, let me send you the corrected bill.
unidentified
$4,000.
Yep.
tim pool
How does that make sense?
ian crossland
$16,000 criminal insurance.
What was that?
That would have been $21,000.
tim pool
$25,000 was the total bill.
ian crossland
So what does that make?
600% markup or something?
tim pool
They didn't write on the prices either.
I was like, I don't know what this is.
Because the system is broken right now.
It doesn't make sense.
So that's the real problem.
It's not, we're not, we're not, you can't mash these things together and then just have like a Frankenstein of a system.
It doesn't make sense.
I'll leave it at that, huh?
unidentified
All right, Eric.
tim pool
Thanks for hanging out.
I appreciate it.
eric july
That was fun.
Yeah, that was a good show.
tim pool
We went long.
We definitely should.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
So, uh, I don't know.
We'll probably do something fun and extend for New Year's Eve.
Maybe we'll go, we'll go live all the three.
Are you, are you hanging out?
eric july
I'm going to be here till, till Thursday.
So.
lydia smith
The morning of, yeah.
eric july
Morning of, yeah.
tim pool
So you'll, so you'll be here for New Year's Eve?
eric july
The day, yes.
A little bit.
A little bit, but I'm leaving that day.
That's the day that I'm leaving.
tim pool
Alright, well, you know, we're gonna have a lot of fun, but you want to shout out your channel or anything like that?
eric july
Oh yeah, YoungGroupOfFiveNine, that's the channel if you want to holler at me.
Of course, at Eric D. July.
Everywhere else.
Twitter.
You name it, man.
And again, I appreciate you.
Appreciate you having me on.
This is the subset of conversations that we need to have.
tim pool
I love when people are like, this is the best episode ever.
Whenever we're yelling at each other, it's the best episode.
ian crossland
It's what friends do, man.
eric july
That's what I'm saying.
If y'all thought that I'm going to punch Tim in the face or something like that.
Or Ian.
unidentified
Don't yell at me.
ian crossland
He was the one arguing.
luke rudkowski
We could have boxing matches.
eric july
Yeah, I mean, it would be volunteering, of course.
tim pool
We'll play an Airsoft game, and we'll film it, and then Eric's like, ah!
unidentified
Ian's like, okay, you won!
tim pool
Luke, what's your channel?
luke rudkowski
My YouTube channel is WeAreChange and you can find me under LukeWeAreChange on Instagram, Twitter, Venmo, and I also have t-shirts like the one that I'm wearing today and yesterday that you could buy on Teespring's WeAreChange.
tim pool
I got some really good ideas for clothing we're gonna make soon.
unidentified
Let's do it.
tim pool
Yeah.
Shout out if you're a graphic... I think I have a few graphic designers already.
It's gonna be fun.
It's not gonna be political.
luke rudkowski
Well, my short store helps me to be free and independent and it's been huge and I thank you guys so much for purchasing it because it keeps me up and running and keeps me away from, you know, doing anything else.
So, thank you.
I appreciate you.
tim pool
Ian, I hear that you have a Twitter or something.
ian crossland
I do.
It's at Ian Crossland.
You can follow me all over the internet.
In fact, my YouTube channel, I just uploaded a video today talking about some ideas about fixing our government, our financial system, and our internet bill of rights that you can watch on my YouTube channel at Ian Crossland.
tim pool
I think everybody here like we have in common is like libertarian.
In a certain degree like varying degrees of libertarian is what like but then there's like cooperative versus
competitive and you like certain arguments But yeah, I don't think it's it's not doesn't strike me as
ian crossland
a utopian answer But it seems like the most sensical path towards like a
next generation of a one-world communist government or something simple like that
tim pool
And of course you can follow you can follow us our patch lives yes
lydia smith
Yes, and I really do like engaging with libertarians much more than authoritarians, because libertarians tend to think out what they think, and authoritarians do not.
tim pool
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