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Jan. 5, 2021 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Proud Boy Chair ARRESTED In DC, National Guard Deployed, Trump Rally TOMORROW
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tim pool
you The protest in DC is a protest against the Supreme Court.
is officially starting tomorrow, and tomorrow's the 5th.
Now, when they initially announced it, they said, you know, Trump tweeted out, be there on the 6th, it's gonna be wild.
And then other people started announcing that they were actually gonna start getting there a little bit early.
I wouldn't be surprised if people are already there now.
In fact, no, I take that back, they are already there now, because the breaking news is that Enrique Tarrio, chairman of the Proud Boys, has been arrested in Washington, D.C.
And this is because he went on Parler and claimed that he destroyed a banner in D.C.
at a previous event, where they took a Black Lives Matter banner and burned it.
So that's the reason, I believe.
They also found two high-capacity magazines, which is interesting, as he was driving into Washington, D.C.
Wonder why he would have those.
Maybe just were in the car or something, or was on them.
I have no idea, but we'll read into the story.
And now they're saying the National Guard is being deployed because they think things are going to start picking up and getting a little spicy.
I myself got a notification from my hotel that things are expected to get... No, they didn't say the end is nigh.
They said, heads up.
City's locked down until the 15th for these reasons.
Eat in your room if you want to enjoy our fine dining.
And these roads are all closed, so keep that in mind.
We'll see how things play out.
We got a handful of guests who are here to, well, actually talk about this stuff.
We got Elijah Schaefer, who's hanging out.
Elijah, how's it going?
elijah schaffer
Dude, it's going pretty good.
I had to get here kind of early because I'm afraid they're going to shut down the whole city like they did last time.
Then you can't even get off the freeway because they shut down the exits.
It's kind of insane.
tim pool
Right on.
We also got Drew Hernandez, who... You're going to be down there on the ground too, I guess, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yep.
drew hernandez
Cat's out the bag.
tim pool
Oh, why was I not supposed to say that?
drew hernandez
No, it's all good.
elijah schaffer
I mean... No, he's not going to be there.
drew hernandez
I'm not going to be there.
tim pool
Yeah.
drew hernandez
Don't come after me.
Yeah.
tim pool
And then, of course, Luke Rokoski is hanging out.
luke rudkowski
I have not yet been voted off of this island, and I am continuing my indentured servitude here.
Thanks for having me.
tim pool
But I think we're all gonna be down there tomorrow, so first thing is, you know, we're gonna have a crew go down and test the internet at the hotel to make sure it works, but it's a prime location.
It's like...
It's like right there.
So we're going to be able to see what's going on.
And if we can get a strong and capable signal while these presses are going on, then I should be coming down for the six and doing this show live, probably from the hotel.
We'll see how things go, but that should get, uh, you know, we'll see how things play.
It should be interesting.
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From Fox 5, D.C., Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio arrested in D.C., police say.
Fox 5 has learned Enrique Tarrio has been arrested.
Evan Lambert reports Tarrio is facing misdemeanor destruction of property charges in relation to him saying he burned a Black Lives Matter flag that was stolen from a black church in December during a protest in the district.
Lambert tweeted, two law enforcement sources confirm Enrique Tarrio has been arrested on D.C.
misdemeanor destruction of property charges.
DC police confirmed Monday evening they'd arrested the 36-year-old.
He has been charged with destruction of property, related to that offense.
Police say at the time of his arrest, Tariq was found to be in possession of two high-capacity firearm magazines.
He has been additionally charged with possession of high-capacity feeding device.
So I guess that's related to the magazines.
That's the crazy thing, people don't know about DC.
You can't even own ammo.
You have to get registered to own ammunition.
It's like, a lot of places don't even do that.
Some of the craziest places, it's all about the guns.
They say earlier on Monday, the Metropolitan African Methodist Episcopal Church in D.C.
filed a lawsuit against the Proud Boys and Tarrio, alleging that the group scaled its fence and tore down a large Black Lives Matter sign on display.
It was one of two historically black churches that were vandalized during the protests.
So they made that statement.
And they called it like they were saying it was a hate crime and stuff like that.
And so it was a bunch of proud boys who apparently done it.
In my opinion, I don't think you should be, you know, taking private property and burning it and destroying it because I'll criticize Antifa for the same thing.
But I guess because they were calling it racist and Ricky Tarrio, who's not a white man.
posted on Parler that it was actually him.
And he said something like, I dare you to charge me with a hate crime.
Are you guys familiar with what he posted?
elijah schaffer
Oh, yeah.
And actually, we were there that night and we saw this stuff.
I think you were you were there right beside me.
And I can tell you two things.
Number one, nobody knew these were black churches.
So like this idea, there was a bunch of white people walking around hunting black churches.
Number one, this is Washington, D.C.
So the chance of a church probably being a majority black church is pretty high since this is a very dense black community.
But number two, If you understand the entire political spectrum of Proud Boys, there's like two groups they oppose, and that's Antifa anarchists, and then like communist-backed groups, which many people who helped found BLM claim to be behind.
So they weren't seeing this, I believe, while I obviously think it's kind of stupid to tear something down and just like burn it off of private property, I don't think this was a target on black people.
I think this was like, we're taking down a communist symbol in a city and showing that we're taking it back for America.
But that's what I saw, and that's what I thought their motives were.
drew hernandez
I think the funny part about it is, since when the hell does Black Lives Matter care about church?
Listen, we were there, we were covering that, right?
On a Saturday night.
The next morning, Black Lives Matter DC held a presser in BLM Plaza, crying and complaining, saying that their black joy was stolen.
and that all of a sudden they care about church all of a sudden they care about these historic black churches and it's like these are the same people that don't want any form of religion even whether it's jesus whatever it is completely out of society so all of a sudden black lives matter cares about church but they just arrested a black guy for doing it Enrique Tarrio is half black.
tim pool
Is he Cuban or Puerto Rican?
They report that he's Afro-Cuban.
I think it's really dumb because I don't like playing those games on race with people.
I shouldn't have to bring that up about what Enrique's race is or anybody here.
drew hernandez
Yeah, but you gotta flip it on their head, man.
tim pool
But when they say it was a bunch of white dudes stealing, you know, Black Joy or whatever, it's like, actually the guy who claimed, he's claiming he did it.
I don't know if he was, he was, he did, but I mean, it sounds reasonable, but he's, he's, he's like the Proud Boy.
He was there.
elijah schaffer
Can we just say this though, that night this happened, not only were a couple Proud Boys stabbed, um, from what I remember, right?
Weren't they actually stabbed?
But also, can we also point this out that Antifa were also looking to attack Proud Boys at this time.
Black Lives Matter, the organization, the group, shut down DC.
They were grouped together trying to attack the Proud Boys.
Police had to keep them off.
So this wasn't like a war between white people and black churches.
drew hernandez
It's even worse.
elijah schaffer
There was a battle between BLM, Antifa activists, and the Proud Boys.
And so they're like, kind of like how Antifa keeps ripping down American flags and burning them, because they think that Proud Boys symbolize American patriotism.
They kind of went back and said, well, let's rip down their signs too.
Stupid, probably, but...
drew hernandez
I think it's even worse than that, Elijah, because they're not only going after Proud Boys, Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and D.C.
are going after innocent Trump supporters.
You have elderly couples, you have young people that just support the president that are walking down Black Lives Matter Plaza just back to their hotels getting physically assaulted because of supporting the president.
So it's like, The media will take this and say, oh, the Proud Boys are attacking black people.
But the reason why the Proud Boys responded was because innocent Trump supporters were being physically assaulted all night long the past two events.
And the MPD, because they have their hands tied, they just kind of shoo them away and continue and move on and move on.
luke rudkowski
One of the top stories on Reddit just a few days ago was this church actually suing the Proud Boys and now we have the Washington Post confirming that he was arrested specifically for burning the Black Lives Stolen banner.
This is Washington Post just reporting on it right now.
elijah schaffer
Is it for the arson or for the theft?
tim pool
It's misdemeanor property destruction.
elijah schaffer
Now DC cares about property destruction?
unidentified
I love it.
tim pool
It's great, right?
drew hernandez
This is the timeline we find ourselves in.
tim pool
No, but look at what's going on right now with like that leaked phone call from Trump, right?
It's a leaked phone call and Twitter's like, oh, that's fine.
Didn't we just go through this huge news cycle of, like, you can't release people's private information?
luke rudkowski
Or them doing specific substances with, uh... I'm not even gonna say it.
We can't even say it.
tim pool
The double standard is pal... But this is the point I want to get to.
That's actually... It's actually pretty worrying, man.
When the Proud Boys romped around D.C., there's a video of them really just clobbering this Antifa dude.
Now apparently, there's like an Antifa guy who was fighting with them, got separated from his group, him and this chick, and then the Proud Boys just would not relent.
This guy's trying to leave, he's clearly lost the fight, and the Proud Boys run up, one guy grabs the woman, a Proud Boy guy, grabs a woman by her ponytail and like pulls her hair back, and I'm like, dude, that is loser Antifa-style fighting.
Grabbing a woman's hair from behind and pulling, you're a dude, come on.
But repeatedly pummeling this guy, this Antifa dude, as he's clearly no threat to you or anybody else.
Then they went and they tore down that sign.
My response was like, sounds a whole lot like what Antifa does.
I'm not a fan of that.
If you want to defend yourself from Antifa, you should absolutely defend yourself from somebody who wants to beat you up, who is attacking you, or defend others.
But when they're running away, tail between their legs, pathetic, let them go.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, but see, Drew brought this up and I think this is where people don't understand.
I'm not defending the violence because I myself am not like an extremely violent person, not even mildly violent.
People even like discredit me or try to slap me on the face for the fact that like, oh, hey, you know, you should fight back a little more and defend yourself.
But when I see those events, you have to look at the whole timeline.
From the very beginning these Antifa groups, which are often protected by the MPD. They have a reserve base
It's the Black Lives Matter Plaza, which essentially right 14th Street or whatever right there by the White House
Street Yeah, right right by Lafayette Plaza Park and they get they
run back to this area protected by police Then they come out of the sides the police let them leave
and come back but nobody else So if you look like you're in black block or whatever, you
can go in and out I've experienced this if I'm wearing black block I can get
in dress like a journalist No, so you go in they come out they like fireworks. They
assault people with skateboards. They punch people They hit people all the time. Like I watch is happening
So when the proud boys aren't just like going there and being like, let's go pummel some Antifa. Let's go pummel
some Black Lives Matter It's like these guys are extremely
Masculine men who a lot of them. It's a part of a club I'm sure a lot of them feel a lot of the same reasons why people might join Antifa.
They might have been, you know, feel a little bit rejected from society, some of them, and they found a lot of camaraderie and brotherhood.
There's some positive elements here, but they get riled up because the violence starts happening and they go, and somebody is always like, we need to fight back.
We need to show these people they can't keep assaulting us.
If the police won't step in, then we will.
tim pool
Here's the point I wanted to make.
The Proud Boys used to be very conscious about press.
They'd be very, very careful.
They'd make sure they know the media's looking to smear them all the time, so they would try their best.
But no matter what the Proud Boys do, they're a far-right white supremacist group.
Literally, you got Enrique Tarrio, not a white guy, and they claim he's a white supremacist.
It's the weirdest thing.
I think they've come to the point now, the Proud Boys have realized there's no point in even trying to do the right thing, as far as the press cares, because they're gonna get lied about anyway.
So now they're just like, screw it.
We're going to go out and we're going to do what Antifa does.
Why not?
drew hernandez
Spot on.
luke rudkowski
The relationship between Antifa and the police is something that's really peculiar because there have been many documented instances of police officers dressing up as Antifa and then committing property destruction, as has happened throughout many protests.
And now to hear your reports of them kind of coddling them, what's the most egregious example that you saw of this?
Or what would you say sticks out to you most?
drew hernandez
This is how it goes down.
You will literally see on one of these nights, you will literally see Antifa, Black Lives Matter, they start these violent acts.
They'll go after innocent Trump supporters.
It's not Proud Boys.
You'll see elderly couples walking down the street, teenagers, young kids.
The first mega rally was they were holding down the fort, Black Lives Matter Plaza.
They issue out text messages saying, we have to defend our territory, we have to defend BLM Plaza, and whoever's wearing a Trump hat, whether it's an elderly person or a young kid, they will go to town on them.
So when that happens, the police will just shoo them away, and then the Proud Boys will see that, like, all night long, and then they'll respond to the violence and come out on the streets because the NPD isn't doing much.
But what you do see Is when the Proud Boys come out, the MPD will literally grab Antifa, grab Black Lives Matter, pull them behind the police line.
Behind the lines!
elijah schaffer
They shield them to protect them!
drew hernandez
It's so weird!
I don't care what anybody says.
If anyone wants to accuse me, oh you're an activist reporter, I don't care.
I don't care at this point.
There will literally be times where I'm watching this and I'm like, these are the same people that have been calling to defund the police All year long, and there they are, being defended by the police.
And they receive it.
tim pool
We just saw that in, what, Salem, Washington?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Where an Antifa guy armed with a paintball gun is standing, with his back to the cops, staring at Proud Boys.
And they're not even all Proud Boys, some conservatives.
The craziest thing, seeing conservatives yell, F the police.
drew hernandez
Yeah.
tim pool
I saw there was a dude who looked like he was wearing Proud Boys colors and he's screaming, F the police, F the blue.
And then you see that video, this is from Ford Fisher, where they actually throw the thin blue line flag on the ground and start stomping on it and then just chuck it into the street.
Police got no support left, man.
elijah schaffer
Well, it blows my mind.
I think the best example, to your point of this, is so there was Polish state media that were at the last march, OK?
And Antiva had made an actual... People say it's not a real thing.
Well, they had a flyer and it said, Black Bloc Anarchists, everyone meet at this park.
So it's this circle.
I think it's like Jefferson Circle or something.
I don't remember what it's called.
They all meet together.
So Polish state media, probably not super hyper aware of what's going on in the streets of America, goes to film.
Then I start seeing they're like on the outskirts.
The Black Bloc start coming up, you know, saying, you can't film here.
You can't do this.
And they're saying, I can film whatever I want.
You guys have freedom of press here, you know, in their accents.
You have freedom of press.
I know my rights here.
I know what I can do.
And another journalist who's American media, I'm not going to say where from, was saying, oh no, you obviously don't realize the rules of Antifa.
So they're going, you know, journalists saying that they follow the rules of anarchists.
And so then it goes further where the guy goes, he's getting a kick out of him.
He's a Pole, right?
Poles don't mess around.
So he's just like, keeps filming and he's like, and they're pushing him.
And the police are there and they're pushing the camera guy and they're hitting the camera and the police are standing there.
And I marked my words.
I spoke to these guys the next day.
I did hear it right.
I filmed this incident.
It was on Twitter.
They're pushing him back, pushing him back into the police.
And he's telling the police, why don't you help me?
And the officer was like, dude, well, you shouldn't have been accosting them.
And he's like, I wasn't accosting them.
I'm filming them.
I'm a press member.
And the officer was like, dude, look, man, just don't be bothering them.
drew hernandez
Was that election night?
elijah schaffer
Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
How did this flip happen?
Where it's like, the left has been screaming, the Proud Boys walk up to a cop and shake their hand, and they're like, the police are protecting the Proud Boys, and now it's inverted.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
A very similar thing happened to me in Hamburg when I got jumped by Antifa.
Police officer came, looked at me, he was like, uh, we can't help you, you're screwed, good luck.
And then literally I got followed back, and you were there, and it was just a crazy, insane incident.
tim pool
Yeah, the crazy thing is how the mob mentality works.
Like some dude just pointed at Luke and accused him of being a fascist and then random people run up and start punching Luke in the head.
drew hernandez
You know, I saw something.
I saw a video of yours.
Old school video, bro.
I thought it was awesome.
tim pool
From when?
drew hernandez
You were, I think you were in New York.
I don't know where you were, but you were covering Antifa and it kind of shocked me because I think Antifa was literally like on the sidewalks.
tim pool
And I was filming him, like, airing out tires.
drew hernandez
I think it's when you got assaulted and you got hit for the first time.
luke rudkowski
Well, when you got assaulted, I was there too.
And I remember a guy walking behind you.
tim pool
No, no, that was the second time.
luke rudkowski
That was the second time.
But I remember the second time was also kind of prominent because I remember I saw this guy walking behind you.
I'm like, he's going to jump on him.
And you just started filming him?
And then, no, no, no, no.
I was like, I was getting ready.
tim pool
No, you weren't.
luke rudkowski
No, yes, I was.
unidentified
You were filming.
Matt grabbed him and I, uh, Oh, that's right.
luke rudkowski
He grabbed his mask.
And I grabbed his mask off and took his mask off.
drew hernandez
What year was that?
What year was that?
tim pool
That was 2012.
It was the beginning of 2012.
drew hernandez
This is what stuck out to me.
What stuck out to me was how Antifa... I remember hearing like police calls on the intercoms in the video.
What stuck out to me was how Antifa would actually listen to orders to get on the sidewalks in March.
Is that accurate?
Would they literally march on the sidewalks?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, of course, of course.
drew hernandez
And now they're just the whole... Well, it's about choosing their battles, right?
tim pool
At the time, back then, it was like, you want to fight for the cops, do it covertly, don't let them arrest you arbitrarily.
So then, you know, they would do things like de-arrest.
elijah schaffer
Well, because it was anarchy.
What's weird is, is anarchy is like the police are against you, but now the police protect them.
I actually... Okay, this is a weird way to segue, but I actually brought a gift for you guys.
I'm being serious.
This is a rare gift.
I'm not even joking.
This is only like a couple of these around.
I want you to open this.
It's not inappropriate.
drew hernandez
On air.
elijah schaffer
I want you to open it.
It's not inappropriate.
And I really want you to keep this.
This is actually a historic piece.
It's a historic piece.
I only have four of these.
I'll explain to you what this is.
So this is a hat that I saved out of a bonfire in Ilhan Omar's district during the Trump rally
when the police cordoned all of the Trump supporters to walk through the Antifa
and they were ripping everyone's hats off and lit them on fire.
I took a few out of the fire and put them out and saved them to remember the violence
and the abuse that was going on.
And I remember during that time when I was filming that, people were saying like,
why aren't the police doing anything?
This was like a shock at that point, saying how could the police be protecting those
who are assaulting Trump supporters?
And I go, well, clearly this shows you that the police, while many officers are great individuals
who just love their city and they're trying to protect and serve
or just make a living, this shows you that police are under the influence
of their district, of their city, and there's a lot of bureaucracy and political corruption
that's involved in what police can and cannot do.
And when I watched that, and that's why I kept these hats, I think the only other person who has one is Glenn Beck.
tim pool
Thank you, sir.
elijah schaffer
But I wanted you, because I knew you'd actually keep that.
tim pool
Definitely.
elijah schaffer
That's a relic to show you that, like, that's a failure of the police in our state right now, where the fact is, is that if that can happen, if people can get their property stolen, illegal fires could get lit.
And guess who I kept seeing getting arrested for fighting back?
Trump supporters.
tim pool
Of course, of course.
So, one of the first events I went to, I've been covering, we didn't call them Antifa back during the Occupy Wall Street days, we just called them black bloc anarchists or whatever, but they're not anarchists.
Like, I was friends with the anarchists.
You want to know why?
Because anarchists, real anarchists, be it left anarchists or right anarchists, don't believe in using violence against people.
luke rudkowski
The non-aggression principle.
It's pretty simple.
tim pool
I'm very, very left-libertarian.
I don't believe in, you know, anarchy is an without-archy authority.
I'm not that, you know, far libertarian on the spectrum, but I'm pretty left-libertarian on a lot of issues.
And so I was hanging out at Occupy Wall Street, and I'll tell you, the actual anarchists were complaining the whole time, saying, sitting down, having a discussion, like, convincing people of how we all work together and cooperate is anarchy.
Not one person beating the other, demanding they do as they're told.
That's fascism.
That's authoritarianism.
That's what they were saying.
luke rudkowski
Using force and extortion to push your ideas is something that's bad.
I mean, that's widely accepted by a lot of anarchists.
And there was a lot of very interesting, smart discussions at Occupy Wall Street, which I think, you know, I think that that kind of sentiment, this is interesting because we really have to talk about the kind of political climate right now.
Because I bet there's going to be a lot of left-wingers that are going to be very disenfranchised with Joe Biden.
There's also a lot of right-wingers that are absolutely pissed off at the authorities, especially the police officers.
This Saturday, it was Ezra Levant posting, even admitting himself.
tim pool
A rebel, like a conservative, very conservative.
A Canadian!
luke rudkowski
A Canadian!
elijah schaffer
Not complying with the law.
luke rudkowski
Exactly!
Which is absolutely fascinating.
But there is a political realignment.
The climate is changing.
And I think there's going to be some major fireworks, especially this year.
tim pool
Well, so I guess what's going to happen is I think you'll start seeing... I wonder if... We have these three factions.
I wonder if the populists will have a tacit agreement of some sort, right?
So this is something that Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks wrote about recently.
He said there's three different realities.
There's the populist left, the establishment, and the populist right.
Well, he claims to be a populist leftist.
I disagree.
I think he's actually very, very, very pro-establishment.
And I think he just, you know, his bread and butter is the progressive track.
I really do think so.
You look at, like, you know, Jimmy Dore, who was saying, like, why can't we get a vote for Medicare for All?
And this is the big, big scandal going on right now.
Cenk Uygur and Jimmy Dore trending on Twitter earlier.
So anyway, I digress.
He's right.
He's right.
And so, you know, I'll give him respect for this op-ed he wrote.
The one thing I got wrong was it was very derisive of Trump supporters saying they're cultists and stuff like that.
You don't need to go there because you can just talk about the populist left hates the establishment.
The populist right hates the establishment.
With Trump being pushed out of power, that means you're going to have two out of power populist factions who hate the establishment.
If there's three realities here and two of them are united in their hatred of the establishment, will Antifa and the leftists look the other way when Proud Boys are the ones, you know, yelling at cops and screaming and the proud boys announced that this
luke rudkowski
specific week that we saw this in a post by in recai talking about maybe we
should wear all black yelp maybe we should not identify ourselves as proud
boy so that's also another contributing factor to what's kind of happening
here and how it's unfolding because i really do think the establishment is
deathly afraid of these sites coming together because they're gonna realize they
have a lot more in common than they have
tim pool
different from each other what happens when proud boys and conservatives do
show up tomorrow on the 6th and they are in Black Block.
If those aren't familiar, it's like they're wearing black sweaters and black pants and masks or whatever.
You won't be able to tell the difference between Antifa and Proud Boys.
elijah schaffer
Antifa smell.
luke rudkowski
What are the police going to do?
tim pool
What are the cops going to do?
And how is Antifa going to fight Proud Boys if they all look the same?
How are Proud Boys going to fight Antifa?
I suppose if you're in disguise as Antifa you know I'll hit somebody else, but what if a Proud Boy punches a Proud Boy thinking he's Antifa?
elijah schaffer
I got knocked down in Seattle.
I was in block and a Proud Boy once punched me in the shoulder and knocked me down.
luke rudkowski
From a shoulder punch?
elijah schaffer
Well, he went like, he's a, oh, you don't know some of these dudes.
Well, I've been out there.
luke rudkowski
Haven't you seen One Punch Man?
tim pool
The viral video?
elijah schaffer
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I was just standing there.
I'm not like in a defensive position.
I was just standing there.
He just went like, boom.
And I was like, well, I didn't like fall down.
I was like, whoa.
And like, I was like, damn, I was like, no wonder why this Antifa get knocked out.
luke rudkowski
What'd you say?
What'd you do afterwards?
elijah schaffer
Oh, I was like, dude, I'm not like Antifa.
luke rudkowski
Even though I'm dressed as Antifa?
How do you do that?
tim pool
Yeah, but that's that's that's that's the why they dress in all black because they want to create confusion.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
But so there was a tactic.
luke rudkowski
It's a very important tactic.
So they don't get recognized by the police officers because they're all they all mesh in.
And we saw this tactic not just used in the United States, but also very prominently in Hong Kong, where they use black bloc tactics to an amazing extent to a point where they don't even have to assault the press.
They just have a team of umbrella people come around.
and set up this huge umbrella circle around them.
And they never assaulted journalists.
They never told them not to film.
They just set up these umbrella things and it was way more diplomatic.
drew hernandez
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
And they were able to galvanize a lot of these people.
I mean, in Hong Kong, they're literally protesting for their lives.
There's people disappearing right now from China because they made a Facebook post or a social media post against the Chinese government.
tim pool
We'll get into the big, we've got a big, big story.
I just got, I just got, I just got a text from, I'm not going to say who, but Very, very prominent political commentator freaking out over this big story about what's going on with Jack Ma.
We'll get to that, but I don't want to gloss over what's going to happen right now.
We got more breaking news, and this is the best time to jump right into it.
Pentagon approves D.C.
Mayor's request to deploy National Guard for upcoming demonstrations.
CNN reports that Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller on Monday approved a request
for the mayor of Washington to deploy DC National Guard forces to the city to support local
authorities during pro-Trump demonstrations scheduled in the city this week, a defense
official told CNN.
Mayor Muriel Bowser made the request Thursday in a letter addressed to Major General William
J. Walker, the commanding general of the DC National Guard, in which she wrote,
The Washington Post released an op-ed by 10 former secretaries of defense, defense secretaries.
resulted in large influx of participants.
DC Police Chief Robert Conti told reporters on Monday, the National Guard will assist with crowd management
and traffic control, freeing the city's police officers to focus on potential acts of violence
and other security issues.
Let me tell you what I find particularly interesting about this.
The Washington Post released an op-ed by 10 former secretaries of defense, defense secretaries.
All of them said, involving the military in election disputes is dangerous.
A lot of people, a lot of articles popped up where they said defense secretaries are worried Trump is going to stage a coup and things like that, or they fear that Trump will use the military for these reasons.
Maybe.
But there's something they said that was particularly interesting.
In the op-ed they said, we are calling upon Christopher Miller, acting Secretary of Defense, to uphold the peaceful transition And they also said, any civilian or military who support Trump in using the military to subvert this election will face potential criminal penalties and things of that nature.
They're basically saying, you better not, if Trump gives you the order.
But they don't understand, you know, Trump's not gonna come out and order them to just take over the country.
It's not gonna work that way.
But they're basically, I think the point of this op-ed was to tell Trump's new acting Secretary of Defense, by name, they said, we call upon him not to support the president.
Here's the thing you gotta understand about Chris Miller.
Donald Trump removed the top civilian leadership at the Pentagon, replaced it with people who are fans of Trump.
So now you've got people in the Pentagon ordering the National Guard, or approving it, who are Trump supporters.
Now you've got D.C.
tomorrow, at the biggest Trump-supporting event we probably will ever see, tomorrow on the 6th, Trump's new acting Secretary of Defense saying, yes, we would like the National Guard to be deployed to D.C.
And what happens if all these Trump supporters are on the ground, and the cops are doing something, and then they just order the National Guard to defend their right to peacefully protest, or something like that?
elijah schaffer
Is that why Bowser ordered that the National Guard wouldn't be armed?
She was like, basically saying... Is that what she said?
Yeah, in the article.
Yeah, I think in Politico, I think that might be the same one, she was like, no guns, Bowser ordered the National Guard personnel no arms when responding to protests, that they will not perform surveillance, searches, or seizures of protesters.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
This is really interesting because we just had, look, this op-ed from the Washington Post, clearly these former defense secretaries are worried that Miller would say to the military, like, we're not leaving.
Why would they write it unless they were at some concerns that could happen?
The fact that they said you could face criminal penalties if you do this, it was like an open letter warning.
If you lose that fight, if you come out for Trump and you lose, we will lock you up, right?
Christopher Miller's not saying, yes, of course, the National Guard, please, you know, deploy them into D.C., where all of our supporters will be.
Or is that looking too deep into it?
Is Miller just saying, I don't know, the mayor asked for it, sure, fine, whatever?
elijah schaffer
Well, you got to look at two things here.
Number one, if we can go back to summer, where we had a same problem where the mayor did not want National Guard deployed when there was actual civil unrest.
There was real violence occurring and assault on federal property, right?
And so there were, even though I know technically National Guard isn't a federal branch of the military, people say, you know, if you're getting into semantics, but technically it's still military.
When federal property in the People's House was under attack, she was saying, you know, this is not what we want.
We don't need anything like this.
luke rudkowski
She wasn't just saying that.
She painted the slogan in Washington, D.C.
and then later was also attacked by the very activist she was supposedly supporting.
elijah schaffer
But I'm saying like this is where we have to look at what's what's ironic about this as we switch into the new year Yeah, is that around this time?
I remember like the intercept which is extremely dishonest publication in many ways.
So they do since we're on your show I'll give them some credence.
They have some some great journalists still at work.
tim pool
They used to a broken clock as well twice a day No, they used to have Glenn Greenwald and for that I would give myself so much anymore Not so much.
elijah schaffer
But I remember that one of their biggest criticisms of even early on in the protests is they were basically saying, oh, Elijah is, you know, basically such a trick artist that he would try to manipulate his footage so that Trump would fall for his ploy to try to deploy a National Guard into D.C.
Like, these publications were mocking— Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
They claimed you were trying to orchestrate— They said that Trump fell for my selectively edited videos when he called upon them To say that that's why we need National Guard in DC is if me filming a live event is selective editing.
However, I'm just going to say this.
The media just a few months ago was mocking journalists for providing evidence for the National Guard being present.
There was evidence for it.
Trump was calling for it and they were saying, how dare you?
That's such a stupid thing.
Now there's not even any evidence that there will be mass violence.
There has been no violence yet.
And they're going, hell yeah, just put these guys out there because there's a Trump supporters and we've got to do what?
I mean, prepare for a war?
drew hernandez
Well, Black Lives Matter for the past two months, D.C., has been putting pressure on the mayor, putting pressure on hotels.
Hotels have been shut down, saying that they're housing white supremacists that are coming to commit violent acts against black people.
It's not even true.
It's not true, but check this out.
I find it so ridiculously interesting that these people are literally, they're literally the ones that are totally anti-law enforcement, Anti-police, anti-everything, but now I can almost guarantee you that this mayor called the National Guard to protect Black Lives Matter activists.
tim pool
Bro, the mask slipped.
I'm sorry, no, no, the mask was ripped clean off.
We know Black Lives Matter is not anti-cop because there's a video from Wisconsin, in the Milwaukee area, Where Black Lives Matter shows up to this guy's house and they're screaming and flashing lights in his house.
The guy pulls up a shotgun to the window and he points it.
Probably a bad idea, but he's defending his own home.
He didn't shoot anybody.
The cops go into his house and they all cheer and clap and, yeah, he's getting arrested.
unidentified
Woo!
tim pool
They're happy about it.
I thought they wanted to abolish or defund the cops.
unidentified
No.
drew hernandez
I think they're just communist subverters.
Communist subverters.
I think they're just subverting the Constitution.
tim pool
Let me ask you.
Do you guys think that the majority of armed forces, men and women, support Donald Trump?
elijah schaffer
I would say it's a mix of people who just want a job and people who are patriotic.
Honestly, when I talk to people in the armed services, this is very unpopular opinion, but when I talk to people, a lot of people that I know got into the armed services because they just wanted to either clean up their life, they didn't know what else to do, or they also were tired of not being respected and they wanted to do something honorable, which is a total honorable way.
And then there's this other half of people that I knew that are not necessarily from Los Angeles where I grew up, but people from Orange County, let's say, more red areas, got in because they're Republicans.
tim pool
Republican and they love this nation of the people who just want a job are they not politically active then do they not
unidentified
really?
tim pool
Care well, it's like how many how many what percentage of the military do you think supports Trump over Biden or vice
versa?
luke rudkowski
Well, it depends because when you look at support from the military
One of the things that really sticks out to mind to me and then the first thing I think about is how Ron Paul was
Able to get most of the US military servicemen to support him during his presidential run
We saw Donald Trump echo some of those similar kind of epithets and talking points as Ron Paul did so there probably is
some kind Of significant base of support, but whether it's still
there from his inauguration is another question Is the leadership there?
elijah schaffer
That's my question.
tim pool
I don't mean for his inauguration.
elijah schaffer
I just mean... No, but does the leadership... Because to me, what I think is that, from my understanding and really talking to people who serve, I come from a family of everybody's serving.
I'm kind of breaking that generational service.
But usually you talk to soldiers, you talk to gruntmen, you even talk to officers, and they usually talk about, ultimately, when I'm in battle, when I'm in war, there's some sort of leader above me that I trust, ultimately.
That if they told me, if like the president said, we're going to war, and they told me, no, stay in your barracks, do not leave right now, I'm staying in my barracks, I'm not leaving.
Now, anybody who's in the service can correct me on this.
These are just people I've spoken to.
They have their allegiance to some sort of commanding officer.
So what I would be more concerned about Is not whether gruntmen or whether just officers are supporting Trump, but is there enough people in command and leadership that have the authority to command those troops that respect him?
tim pool
Not even like really high-ranking, like medium-ranking individuals.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, like a couple hundred.
Like I'm saying, they might command a couple hundred.
I don't know how the ranking filing works for all departments.
tim pool
Like, not generals, you know?
I'm saying that you— Commanders.
Yeah, commanders and people who—there could be—this is what people need to understand about, you know, these defense secretaries worried about Trump in a military action thing.
You don't need to worry about the generals ordering the military to support Trump.
That's not likely.
It's going to be if there's people in D.C.
who are mid-rank with a decent amount of men beneath them, and they just tell them to do something because they're defending the president.
They know maybe they're defying orders of their commanding officer, but they're like, the president says to do this or want something.
Will there be people loyal to the president over, say, their immediate commanding officer?
I'm not entirely convinced that would be the case.
Like, we talked about this before the show.
Most people would probably just be like, I trust my commanding officer, they know them.
But the bigger issue at hand is, when it comes to the National Guard being deployed, it's coming with the approval of Christopher Miller, who is, like they say, a Trump loyalist, right?
Maybe that's just kind of a way to drag him.
But Trump did put him in recently.
What I'm telling people is, if you're wrong, if you think these National Guard dudes are gonna be ordered to stage a coup, like, there's gonna be some high-ranking dude who says, we're all here for Trump, it's time to retake this country, charge, and then we're gonna seize the White House, it's never gonna happen.
What I'm worried about is, if Miller, or I don't know to what degree he can actually order these dudes around, maybe he can't, but if some, like, officer, says hey guys can you just uh stand guard around the white house while this protest is going on and then that is the order that is used by trump or whatever to maintain control or something like people think the order is going to be overt you're going to know what it is a lot of these guys are going to hear from their commanding officer
Hey, we're going to be guarding this bridge right here.
You know, there's some concerns about potential for violence.
And they'll go, okay, you got it, because it sounds reasonable, right?
And then it turns out the actual reason for guarding the bridge was to shut down some kind of flow of traffic that would benefit Trump.
Long story short, you don't know what those at the top really, really want.
They'll give you what sounds like an innocuous order.
And it could be the order that is used to stage a coup or do something like that.
You know what I mean?
drew hernandez
Well, that's how it's meant to be, right?
You just take orders and don't ask any questions, right?
luke rudkowski
History dictates that, too.
tim pool
But what I'm saying is, why would you ask questions if they said, okay, we're standing guard at this bridge right here, guys.
There's going to be a big protest, so stand guard.
Don't let anybody through, you know, only if they're credentialed and have security clearance or whatever.
And then you get, say, some Democrat, you know, who's trying to get to Congress, and the bridge is shut down.
I'm like, sorry, sir, you can't come this way.
And they're like, I'm in Congress.
I don't care.
I got my orders.
Nobody crosses this bridge.
They don't know It's not it's not unreasonable. There's more National Guard
elijah schaffer
here than there were in Kenosha. Let's put that into perspective
like actual city blocks of America were being burned down and this was like we're talking about three nights of this
and The leadership didn't even deploy this many National Guard
tim pool
How many do you know, you know?
elijah schaffer
I know that they said that they were going to activate somewhere between like 250 and 350 and I can't I can tell
you the Exact number. I probably didn't see more than 30 to 40. I
saw five different vehicles at least five vehicles During this and I might remind you this was a time when
there was a terrorist attack on a national soil Buildings were burned to the ground while there were
children inside Multiple city blocks. I mean, I think they said there was
now three dozen buildings that were destroyed police evacuating Right.
So this was a serious emergency in our country that was going on, and there was not this many National Guard deployed.
And so when you have to put this into perspective here, they say, well, Kenosha was a small city.
Well, so is D.C.
I mean, retrospectively to the actual area, it's just a few city blocks.
When you're talking about these protests and where they shut down, even for the inaugural parade, it's not that large of an area.
tim pool
But how many people were in Kenosha riding?
elijah schaffer
Well, that's my point though, is that the National Guard was there, but they didn't do anything, meaning like you were saying about taking the orders is my point, is they just kind of stayed by the courthouse, and they just stayed and guarded this while the city burned, and that's to your point, is that the National Guard is just taking orders, they're not doing what they want.
tim pool
Luke, you told me a story about, I think it was the G20 in Pittsburgh?
Where all of, you told me this story a long time ago, that you had everybody standing in a park and then the police were ordered to stand around the park.
And then when people got bored, they all left.
And the cops were just standing, looking into an empty park for like, you know, a certain amount of time.
Do you remember that?
You told me that story?
luke rudkowski
Yep.
A lot of them just blindly follow orders, even when they don't completely make sense.
And that was the time I got the crap beat out of me, pepper sprayed, handcuffed.
Literally, yeah, handcuffed.
unidentified
What'd you do?
luke rudkowski
They just encircled everyone.
Nothing.
I was there as I usually am, you know, or was during these kind of events, and they just literally encircled everyone, and they started closing in and in, and they set up a, you know, a perimeter, closed everyone in.
You try to get out, they beat the crap out of you with batons.
I got a couple batons, handcuffed everyone, and then I remember when they were pepper-spraying random people who would just talk about their rights or saying, hey, this is bad, this is illegal, you shouldn't be arresting people who are just here protesting, and they just, like, literally were macing people It's conservative to say they're getting pepper sprayed in their eyes.
tim pool
They're like, but listen, it's breaking.
It's breaking.
So, so I always say is like, well, I'll tell you right now.
Unfortunately, the good cops have quit.
That's the scariest thing.
We need the good cops to literally stop the bad cops.
But you see these videos of the cops just being like, I quit, you know, I can't do this anymore.
I don't want to be involved in this.
And so the guys were like, I refuse to follow this order.
I won't do this are leaving.
And then you're getting the equivalent of scabs.
You're getting people who are like, I I don't care I'll do anything for money and now they're
coming in and now they're gonna start cracking skulls and for a while
It was really crazy when the cops were pushing around conservatives
They'd give him the benefit of the doubt like there's some footage from DC where the cops are shoving proud boys and
the proud boys are Like thank you officer. Thank you officer
Like still not quite getting it until the cops started defending protecting Antifa and now they're starting to be
like, hey, wait a minute We defended you while they were calling to take your budgets, your pension, and to take your job, and now you're attacking us?
Let me tell you, I told this story before.
The story of Occupy Youngstown, Ohio.
I love this story.
You know why?
During the Occupy movement, you had all these big protests across the country, okay?
Youngstown, Ohio got interesting because the fire department and the police joined in the protests.
Now the government of Youngstown was very clever.
You wanna know how they shut the protests down?
They went to the cops and said, we'll give you whatever you want.
The cops made ridiculous demands.
They said, you got it.
And then the cops turned around and started arresting everybody who protested with them.
So the firefighters who had marched with the cops, all of a sudden the cops were arresting them.
Isn't that amazing?
The moment they were like, we'll give you your paycheck, they were like, Hot dog, we're good.
We don't need them anymore.
luke rudkowski
There's a quote that comes to mind that I kind of want to read here, and it says, Well, listen, it's really, really simple what's going on right now.
I'll lay it out for you.
and slavery have resulted not from disobedience but from obedience.
And when you look at history, it's a very important telling tale of people just following
orders blindly because they were told to do so and they did.
tim pool
Well listen, it's really, really simple what's going on right now.
I'll lay it out for you.
Some of these cops may have been good people at some point.
Like I'm talking about the ones that are arresting innocent people, the ones, whether you're
left or right, the ones that are shutting down churches and businesses.
But here's what happens.
We're almost, we're 10 months or so, nine months into a lockdown, where a third of small businesses in New Jersey are gone permanently.
And this may be across the entire country, the Yelp issue.
elijah schaffer
Intentionally gone too, I would say.
tim pool
Now, the cops are sitting there in their car, and they see a bunch of regular Americans saying, my life has been destroyed.
And you know what the cop thinks?
I don't want to lose my job, man.
I'll be like them, starving and begging for food and screaming.
No way.
You're under arrest.
There it is.
luke rudkowski
I wouldn't want to look like the people arrested in Portland.
tim pool
No, you look at these people who have had their restaurants shut down, whose employees have been laid off and there's nothing left.
And these protests are turning into regular people being like, you've destroyed my life.
And the cop sees that and says, That's a coward and a traitor.
be in that position. I'll take my paycheck. Just tell me who like I will
get dropped to my knees and lick the boot of anybody if it makes sure I don't
drew hernandez
end up like them. That's a coward and a traitor. You know, I've been I've lost
thousands of followers even from Trump supporters and conservatives over the
years by literally laying this out, just telling people like, listen, I don't I
don't back blue that doesn't back America.
And you were saying this earlier before the show, Tim, like, the Constitution is being just thrown in the trash in multiple big blue states.
tim pool
It's gone.
drew hernandez
You know, cops have to understand, I've been saying this a lot, is police officers, it's not enough to sit here and say, well, we're just doing our job, you know, we're just doing our job.
Like, you should have been educated, you should have known and been aware that you took a constitutional oath to protect and serve the people in the context of the
Constitution of the United States of America.
They actually are getting orders down the pipe that violate that and violate civil rights in
the United States of America, then we're not going to support you. We're not going to support
anything you do at all.
tim pool
My general understanding is that they swear an oath to the Constitution.
There's like the police oath or whatever.
elijah schaffer
Just like doctors have like the Hippocratic oath or whatever to like protect life.
tim pool
Their community and the Constitution of the United States.
They're oath breakers.
They are people who care not for honor, no integrity, no honor, no rights of individuals.
It's just, I want what I deserve.
I get what I want.
Period.
elijah schaffer
But here's, I think it's intentional because there's two parts of this.
Number one, Okay, when I was in Seattle, I tend to try to get a lot of good contacts in major police departments.
Obviously, if you're going to be working behind lines, even incognito sometimes, you've got to make sure you're not going to fall victim to some of the intense... So do you notify police departments before going undercover?
At times, yes, or contacts there.
Even this last time I was in D.C., I noted some MPD.
Even when I was in Portland, they tried to arrest me and I had told them who I was and they let me go.
Meaning there are some very good officers who are just trying to uphold the law.
But what I did know is by talking to different officers, when did you notice, let's say this is specifically Seattle,
when did you notice things going downhill?
And I started asking this back in January when I got a concussion and the police did nothing
when the person assaulted me in front of them.
It's a common story, but people hear all the time, So I was like, well, when did this happen?
The police don't arrest someone who assaults someone in front of them.
And he goes, well, what happened is, number one, bad distribution of power where bureaucrats have too much power that are not directly connected to the police department.
This includes cities like Portland, where the police chief is appointed by the mayor and the mayor shares power over the police department.
And he's thinking about weird leftist, radical leftist policies in his city, not how do we uphold law and order.
But on top of that, he goes, that pushes a lot of the cops who just want to uphold law
and order out.
So it creates this vacancy of like, I think last time I was in Seattle, they had like
370 might've been higher than that spots that were vacant that hadn't been filled.
And these are high paying jobs, like 60 to 80 grand, which is good for people in general.
Now they said, so what happens is, is that a lot of people now are leaving the military.
And so as they leave in the military, they're like, well, what do I do next?
Now they can go to college or a quick way that they don't have to go to college is become a cop.
And the vacancies are open where?
In these big cities.
And a lot of ex-military are coming in without training with civilian training or working with these people.
And they're beginning to come in with military training.
And so the exact opposite effect is happening where they tried to keep out the extreme people.
But now the police academies are accepting basically just Soldiers, and the police are becoming more like a military than like a civilian force.
tim pool
Yeah, but sure, but even a soldier swears an oath to uphold the Constitution.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, but it's so much different.
They're training in the military, not that it disqualifies them.
I'm just saying, when you get a department of a couple hundred guys that are all just trained in the military, and it's not first like they're being introduced to combat through this police training, it's going to be a whole different way of enforcing things.
And every officer has told me you could see the difference.
tim pool
The left has been saying that for a long time.
But people like Matt Taibbi and Glenn Greenwald specifically, who are some of the few leftists with, you know, honor and will call out the censorship, will call out the lies and the smears from, you know, intelligence agencies going after the president.
These are liberal dudes.
luke rudkowski
Soldiers, I mean, are thought to see threats and eliminate them.
Police officers are supposed to, quote, protect and serve.
That's the slogan here.
What you were talking about reminds me of this kind of meme going around right now about how, allegedly, Stalin was teaching his counselors how to rule.
And the story goes that Stalin took a chicken, traumatized it, ripped its feathers out, threw it naked on the floor, and then started throwing the chicken pebbles and walking away.
The chicken followed him.
And allegedly, Stalin said, quote, You could do anything you want to the people so long as they believe you are the source of their survival.
unidentified
Yes.
luke rudkowski
So when you were talking about that specific story, that's something.
tim pool
You mean you were selling them food or?
luke rudkowski
Pebbles.
Rocks?
No, no, no.
elijah schaffer
This isn't a metaphor.
This really happened?
luke rudkowski
Kibbles, yeah.
Well, this is the story going around now, allegedly.
I haven't been able to verify it or fact check it, but this is how allegedly Stalin was teaching his counselors how to rule.
tim pool
How much do you guys think it costs for a gallon of milk?
drew hernandez
Depending what state.
luke rudkowski
Too much.
drew hernandez
Like if you're in Hawaii, what, like $5?
elijah schaffer
I think in Texas right now it's around $3.
tim pool
So I recently went to the store and a half gallon was $4.
And I thought that was kind of crazy.
I was like, is a gallon $8?
And so I think it's like it's getting up there.
So the question I had was, when you look at the Arab Spring, one of the issues they said as to why the revolutions took place, why they started, was because people were going hungry.
They couldn't work enough to get their food.
So eventually they just snapped.
But if people are, like Luke was bringing up, if they're getting food, They'll take abuse.
They'll ignore certain things like, I don't know, whatever, I got my food.
It's kind of like how you get like a lion, and if you give the lion endless amounts of food and so it's always just well-fed, it won't attack smaller animals.
It's pointless.
It's like it doesn't bother.
But now, with the fears of hyperinflation, and I think, like, we had Peak Prosperity on, was it Chris Martens?
luke rudkowski
Chris Martens and Peak Prosperity, yes.
tim pool
He was talking about hyperinflation is hitting things wealthy people buy.
So, luxury goods, land, are hyper-inflating like crazy.
It's gonna start there, and then work its way down.
And then, so I was at the store, I was looking at groceries.
I was talking to this dude, and he said that he, like, he leaves the store with a grocery bill to see how much he spent.
Hundreds of dollars, and he barely fills his cart anymore.
And I'm wondering if we're just not seeing it because we're frogs in a pot boiling, but the prices are starting to go up.
And we just haven't noticed yet.
I noticed when the lady scanned the half-gallon of milk, it said four bucks, and I was like, no.
Really?
elijah schaffer
I notice when it's not cheaper to really eat at home that it feels like sometimes than to eat out.
Like sometimes I'm even like, hey, I'll probably eat out for lunch because it's probably cheaper than making a nice meal.
I mean, I'm being serious.
When you go to when you go look at steak, for instance, even at Costco wholesale, I mean, if you're looking at like something even not even the best cut of meat possible, just like a New York strip, you're still looking at about fifty four bucks for a pack of meat and you're going for steak.
I mean, at that price, I remember just last year before all the riots, everything happened and the shortages.
I was just talking to a construction company, and they told me to get ready for the next year because raw materials are about to skyrocket.
And I was like, why?
What's going on?
stake, that's like, you know, hundreds of percent increase in price.
tim pool
I was just talking to a construction company and they told me to get ready for the next
year because raw material is about to skyrocket.
And I was like, why?
What's going on? And they're like, we're just getting ready for that big hit where the
price is just way up.
And so I'm looking at this news reports.
You know, when we were talking to Chris, he was saying 66 percent of all U.S.
dollars printed in the past 10 months, mostly because I guess the latest stimulus bill.
But when we first did a segment on it, it was October, and it was 35, it was like 35.6% or 32.6%.
No, no, it was less than that.
luke rudkowski
I think it was like 25.
tim pool
No, no, 23 and then a month later, 35.
And now let me let me show you this M1 money stock from St.
Louis Fed.
You can just see right here the money stock jumps.
It's at around four trillion.
And now it's at what are we at?
Six point six.
So it jumped up more than 50 percent.
So like 50, 60 percent.
That's going to have an impact.
People need to realize this.
drew hernandez
While China becomes the big dog.
tim pool
That's right.
And now they've moved up the timeline to where China overtakes the US.
elijah schaffer
2028, right?
tim pool
Yep.
Originally, they were projecting it was like 2035.
Now they're moving it down.
They're like, well, the US is burning to the ground.
drew hernandez
You know, I don't know if this is connected, but I was telling Lydia this earlier at lunch.
Did you guys see the video of Wuhan partying New Year's Eve?
Yeah, of course, man!
luke rudkowski
The pool parties.
drew hernandez
This is what I saw.
This is what I saw.
Obviously, you see the hypocrisy, right?
But number one, why is Wuhan celebrating an American holiday, New Year's Eve?
I don't even think that video was real.
tim pool
I think that was staged.
drew hernandez
Propaganda?
Propaganda, 100%.
Because all of a sudden, China celebrating NYE while the Times Square shut down, we're all on lockdown.
To me, that was a flex by China.
flexing on America saying you guys are all shut down while we're open celebrating your damn holiday.
tim pool
Are they trying to convince Americans on the right that you can go out and party and look we're doing it why can't you?
luke rudkowski
Well perception is reality and when we look at China they have closed themselves off to the rest of the world
and they're arresting any journalist that just questions their official narrative, their official line that they're
trying to get out there.
Recently, we saw the citizen journalist that was talking about the coronavirus that actually told the world about the coronavirus.
She was just sent to jail.
elijah schaffer
Four years, right?
luke rudkowski
Four years in jail for citizen reporting.
And there's a couple, you know, possibilities here.
It could be that because China knows how this sickness, how the coronavirus originated, if they know who the patient zero is, if they know that they might be handling this sickness, the coronavirus way better than we are, and they could be hiding that information.
Or it could be that they haven't handled it and that they're just covering up the deaths of millions of people, which they historically did before.
So both of those possibilities could be true.
Both of them are pretty terrifying and scary.
tim pool
I want to tell you, we're going to combine these stories, my friends.
We don't just randomly talk about China partying and then talk about the money supply.
Same story.
First, let me show you this from CNBC.
Dollar sucked into downward spiral by U.S.
twin deficits from December 30th.
They're saying the dollar's in a downward spiral, Bitcoin skyrocketing.
It hit, what, $35,000 for a Bitcoin?
People are buying up like crazy and there's concerns.
I mean, it's not necessarily a bad thing, but people are saying that the Bitcoin is not going to go back down.
There's not going to be a correction.
It's undervalued at this point because the U.S.
dollar is being printed like crazy.
Which brings me to this really strange story, which seems maybe not to be related.
Chinese billionaire Jack Ma vanishes.
What happened?
Quite simply, they say.
At the Bund Summit in Shanghai on the 24th of October, Ma criticized the lawmakers that enforce global financial regulations, the Basel Accords, saying they were like an old people's club.
According to the Times, Ma, a Communist Party member, said, the Basel Accords are like an old people's club.
We can't use yesterday's methods to regulate the future.
The billionaire said the Basel Accords framework stifled opportunities for young people in developing nations, and that regulatory rules suppressed innovation.
Before the summit, Ant Group was preparing for a $37 billion initial public offering, and would have valued the company at more than $300 billion.
After the summit, things changed.
China cracked down on regulations, smothering Ant Group's IPO, etc, etc.
I'll just put it this way, the very simple issue here.
A lot of people are saying this is crazy about Jack Ma.
When you criticize the global financial infrastructure and you have the power to actually make change, Bad things happen to you.
I can say Gaddafi, Saddam Hussein.
Not for the same reasons, obviously.
But Jack Ma comes out and starts talking smack about financial regulators for global economics, and he's gone.
luke rudkowski
And this is not just one of the richest people in China.
This is one of the world's richest people that has disappeared and is missing since October.
He was kicked out and edited out of his own TV show.
He was edited out from many websites, and no one knows where he's been.
And we have to understand, China has a history of disappearing very prominent economic figures.
There's Ren Zixiang.
I'm saying it very wrong, but he was a real estate mogul who criticized China's handling of the coronavirus.
There's Yao Jinghao, who was an asset manager, also disappeared under mysterious circumstances.
And no one knows what happens to these people.
And a lot of people need to understand China uses a lot of kind of mystery.
They hide a lot of information.
So your kind of imagination plays the worst fears on you.
And this has been a tactic that the Chinese have been using for a very long time.
drew hernandez
So are these people that had like shows?
They were media figures?
luke rudkowski
Shows, businesses.
I mean, if you look at Alibaba, that's one of the biggest... Chinese Trump.
Yeah, yeah.
We're looking at one of the biggest companies, not just in China, but the world, and he's the head guy.
He criticized their central bank.
He criticized regulations, because obviously, if you want a free-flowing economy, you can't have a central bank.
You can't have all these regulations.
You can't have the government deciding what is best.
You should let the market decide.
He criticized that, and because of that, We don't know for sure.
Sounds familiar.
tim pool
We don't know exactly what happened to him.
But he's missing from his show.
elijah schaffer
But we can say this.
luke rudkowski
He's missing from public life.
He hasn't been seen since October.
elijah schaffer
But the evidence here is this.
You can't say that there's some global New World Order or Bilderberg group that's causing But you can say that when crises hit on a global scale, very important people oftentimes can disappear, find themselves losing everything that matters to them, and the entire world sees some sort of structural change that seems to benefit the wealthy and the ruling class, seems to screw over the middle class.
And then at the end of this crisis, there seems to be new organizations that come up, let's just say like NGOs or even new banking systems or unified trade agreements that seem to help fix and bring it all together and power gets centralized into people.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
One of the things that China Uncensored said when they were on this show that really sticks out to me is the fact that it's our participation and the US establishment propping up China that makes them as powerful as they are right now.
And it's literally American elites that are causing China to be as powerful on the world stage and if it wasn't for them, they wouldn't exist and they wouldn't be as powerful.
tim pool
Our economy is being crushed right now.
And they say they're moving the timeline for China's economy to overtake ours.
So I don't think any of these people really care.
You know why?
A lot of them probably invested in companies that are doing production in China or things of that nature.
elijah schaffer
Probably!
luke rudkowski
They did!
unidentified
They do!
tim pool
Let me ask you guys something.
Do you ever think about how banking works?
On a global scale?
Let's say you've got a thousand bucks in the bank, right?
And then you write a check to a friend who then cashes that in their bank and it becomes available immediately.
Did that one bank take the thousand dollars from your account, physical cash, put it in a cart, wheel it down the street to the other bank and hand it to them so that money is now in that bank?
Or is it literally just a number in a computer that could be changed?
So I got a crazy story, one of the craziest things I've ever seen that made me like, go, what?
I had a friend who was, we went to a bank, because he was negative, his account went negative.
And so he was like, I gotta go complain, because there was a transaction that was doubled on accident, and that put me negative, and then it threw everything out of whack, because then he got charged 35 bucks, and then his next deposit didn't, you know, get him out of it, and then he got charged again, and it kept going negative.
We walk into this bank, and there's a guy sitting behind this desk, and he's like an older, middle-aged dude, this is in Chicago, and he pulls up the dude's account, and I swear, I don't know what he was showing us, maybe it was a trick, maybe it wasn't real, but he shows his account as negative, like 300 bucks, and he just erased the negative sign and says, how does that look?
And then we were like, what?
And he was like, looks good, right?
And he was like, I guess?
And he was like, get out of here, kid.
And then he was like, what?
And then he checked his account.
And he was positive when he was negative.
I don't know what that was or what went down.
It was weird to me.
But I will tell you one thing.
The next week when we were skating downtown, the bank was closed.
Like, they shut down that branch.
So I was thinking to myself, I'm like, I wonder if this dude knew he was getting laid off and was like, I don't care, and just typed numbers into his account to make the money be there.
But I'm like, how do they verify that?
How do they know?
Like, it's the craziest thing.
luke rudkowski
It's not like Bitcoin when you have a transaction and a limited amount of something.
Literally, someone going on the computer and just pressing zero.
That's it.
That's our financial system explained.
And of course, whenever there's, you know, the military-industrial complex, big pharma, the medical-industrial complex coming in for their gibs, of course that machine's turned on right away.
People come in there for, you know, health and human services.
Something to help out the common, you know, whatever, whatever the common good is, or whatever the term people, or whatever people socially want to improve, you know, life.
No, sorry, the machine doesn't work then, which is absolutely ridiculous that we're going through this.
tim pool
What I was thinking is like, where is, so all of our money is basically digital.
Has anyone really thought about how Bitcoin has a ledger with crypto that secures it, and banks just kind of write a number down?
elijah schaffer
Well, you know, what shocked me, I think, the most was, I remember I was watching a documentary on the 2008 financial crisis, and I might have the numbers a little bit wrong, but I think they said that $2 trillion disappeared from the global economy.
They used the phrase disappeared.
I remember looking that up.
Because I know that, I think we lost like $9.8 trillion overall, like home value in the world.
This has to do with, you know, just like fluctuations of the values of homes.
The money didn't disappear.
This isn't changing ledgers, but like, obviously they didn't burn cash reserves or like melt down gold and just turn into ring.
tim pool
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
You're going, well, how do you just take $2 trillion when the average person in the world makes less than like a dollar a day?
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
Where do, what do you mean it disappeared?
luke rudkowski
Well, after the 2008 housing crisis, the Federal Reserve engaged in secret bailouts where they were literally printing money and giving it digitally to foreign banks.
I actually confronted Ben Bernanke on the largest kind of bailout in recorded human history that no one even talks about and he had a fit about it.
He literally tried to rip my microphone away from me because I asked him, you know, how does it feel knowing that you committed one of the largest bailouts and no one even knows about it?
And we're talking about You know, with a T. Trillions of dollars that literally go from one hand to another hand.
Yes, we're here now and look at the national debt.
Look at the price of common household goods of what they are now compared to what they were just even 50 years ago.
tim pool
Look man, I was talking to, so we're looking at like crazy farmland, crazy open space in West Virginia.
And I'm hearing from these agents, they're like, we can't keep inventory.
The moment land pops up in West Virginia, gone.
The market's increasing like crazy.
The value of homes is going up outside of New York and outside of these big cities.
Property value is starting to go up like crazy because nobody wants to live in these cities anymore.
But, it's like I was saying earlier, actually I think it was Chris who was saying this, that the things wealthy people can buy right now are hyper-inflating because the demand for these goods is high for several reasons.
One, get away from the cities.
Two, They're getting rid of their money.
They're getting rid of US dollars.
They're buying gold.
They're buying Bitcoin like crazy.
Why did Bitcoin double, almost triple in value in a month?
Now people will say, oh, you know, you hear from all these Bitcoin deniers where they're like, it's just a scam.
And it's like, dude, people have confidence in it retaining its value enough to where it was going for like, 13,000 a month and at two months ago, and now it's at
$30,000 so I'll tell you this you can look at your Bitcoin transaction history, and you can go back
Go back to like for those of you that have Bitcoin I've had Bitcoin for a long time and someone sent me like a
Couple bit a couple dollars worth of Bitcoin a long time ago. It's now worth like 200 bucks
It's just, you look at it, that's crazy.
People are concerned.
I think, here's what I was telling people.
What are the rich people who have connections doing right now?
They're fleeing cities, they're buying up property like crazy, and they're getting off the US dollar.
When CNBC says the dollar is in a downward spiral, and Bitcoin is through the roof, I hope y'all are paying attention to what we're potentially facing.
So I'll put it this way, you know, I've had people say to me... We did a promo to start the show with the Safe and Ready Meals thing, right?
This is safeandreadymeals.com.
It is emergency food supply.
And so people always look at... I got a bunch of it, just because I bought it, whatever.
And they're like, man, are you prepping?
Like, you think the end is coming?
And I'm like, I don't know if I would tell people I think the end is nigh.
Like, the world's gonna end and we're gonna be walking around like it's Fallout, you know, the video game, and fighting zombies or anything like that.
But, uh, when was the last time the US printed, what, like, trillions of dollars?
Like, 2.6 trillion?
And borrowed, what, 5 trillion more?
When was the last time they added 60% of the money supply in 10 months?
They've never done that.
And what historically happens when money is mass-produced and mass-printed?
You face hyperinflation, or collapse of the currency, and then you combine that with rich people buying up land like crazy and fleeing to places like Idaho, Iowa, Wyoming, West Virginia, and you need to ask yourself, why is it that people with the money are trying to spend their money as fast as possible?
Why are you looking at this?
So maybe we get everything's fine.
The U.S.
currency can't collapse.
It's a petrodollar.
Maybe.
I'm not going to pretend I can see the future, and I know.
But I just look at, like, here's the way I tell people.
When you're out, and you guys might get this, when you're out in a conflict, in a riot or whatever, or when you're in a big protest, and then you see a bunch of people, then you see a bunch of people start running in a certain direction, right?
When I see that, I think, they must have seen something, or someone did, and they're running for a reason.
Sometimes it's a false alarm.
Sometimes they run because they got scared of a car backfiring.
But sometimes someone saw the National Guard or some riot cop aiming a beanbag gun or tear gas and so they ran.
I run perpendicular to the direction they're running because I don't want to be in that crowd.
But I look to the people and I see where they're running to.
It's almost like when a storm is about to come, you see all the birds leaving like they do in the movies.
When the rich people are lighting their money up, like just getting rid of it as fast as possible.
The US is printing, you know, trillions of dollars record, like, you know, money, money supply going up and we're seeing land get sold like crazy.
Like, don't you think at a certain point, the people who have connections that are in the know are making the moves before you catch on because they want you holding the bag or they don't want to be holding the bag when, when the, when the, when the drop comes.
drew hernandez
Here's my thing, okay?
I'm a Christian.
I don't know what you guys' view is on this, but I think I'm a huge believer in the end times and Bible prophecy, and I think that the Antichrist is a reality, and I think the agenda is obviously there.
tim pool
And it's Joe Biden.
luke rudkowski
I thought it was Hillary Clinton.
unidentified
Hillary?
luke rudkowski
Wait, wait, wait.
drew hernandez
I don't know who it's gonna be but one thing I will say is it's very
interesting that with the advent of the Antichrist comes alongside of access
through the mark of the beast that gives you access to a one-world economy so
it's very interesting I'm not saying it's a mask yeah they talk about a
elijah schaffer
one-world economy one world government That's the end result of when you know the end times.
tim pool
It actually talks about an economy?
unidentified
What specifically does it say though?
drew hernandez
It says that the false prophet will cause people to take the mark of the beast, which is 666.
that will give them the ability to buy, sell and trade that will allow them to access the economy at the time.
So I think it's interesting that we're seeing a lot of stuff with the masks.
We're seeing a lot of stuff.
luke rudkowski
We're also seeing specifically an MRNA vaccine, a new technological advancement with many large institutions saying you won't be able to participate in our economy unless you have this vaccine.
unidentified
So that's also another aspect of this to kind of And in Bible prophecy, that's the final showdown.
drew hernandez
You won't be able to access the economy without the Mark of the Beast, which is an act of worship to pretty much Satan in the flesh.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, and even from my understanding, though, I don't have it up here.
It also comes up in Daniel and Isaiah.
The whole point of biblical prophecy is that not only will people be trading and be given
in marriage, the world will be like it was, but the key thing is that the Antichrist is
meant to bring the world together into one world government, and then he'll sit on the
throne in the temple rebuilt on the Temple Mount in Israel, and he'll call himself God
and people will follow, and anybody who doesn't take whatever the mark is is going to be seen
as a threat and a danger to people.
And they themselves are an enemy of society and deserve to be killed.
So they start killing everyone who won't take the mark, which we don't know what that means.
But, but I'm, but I'm just saying like, it's crazy though, when you read Revelation and it says that this is what the end will look like.
And it describes how people will be.
tim pool
I didn't know this.
Revelation 13, 17, that no man might buy or sell, save he had the mark of the name of the beast or the number of his name.
I didn't know that.
elijah schaffer
And it says that the 10 kingdoms will serve under him.
And it specifically says, this is what's crazy, the 10 kingdoms of the world, whatever that means, will rise up and he'll come above them.
And there's this idea that this is what he brings together.
And this is why anybody that is coming against him is coming against the global order.
And therefore they are a threat to public safety.
And that's why not only can they not buy, sell and trade, but eventually they get beheaded and they start beheading people who will not take the mark.
And that's like, They'll kill you!
drew hernandez
It's an act of worship to the Antichrist being your God.
That's why you have to take it.
luke rudkowski
This is why a lot of right-wing Christians have always been against the kind of larger term New World Order.
And when you look at them, there's always been a congregation of individuals who are church-going that usually do speak about this, you know, in a very large extent.
So, what you're saying makes absolutely sense from what I've been hearing for, you know, since the 90s.
People were talking about this and more and more when you look at current events, I mean, you can make many different correlations, you could have many different understandings, but I think what everyone here is saying is that these are definitely interesting times to say the least and definitely times that will test everyone in many important instances.
drew hernandez
I mean, you gotta think about it.
When you read, like, the Bible and you look at Bible prophecy, Satan himself literally wants to be God, right?
When you read certain passages of Lucifer's fall, he wanted to be God, he wanted to ascend above God, he wanted to be worshipped as God himself.
So when you take a look at the entire scope of Scripture through the Old Testament and the New Testament, you'll see Lucifer and Satan himself literally mirroring what God has done or what God will do.
So he will declare himself to be God in the temple in Israel because he wants to be worshipped as God.
And the whole tie with the economy, with the one world religion and the one world economy taking the mark of the beast, is in the Old Testament you would see that God instructed the Jews, he would instruct them to write Bible verses on their arms or on their foreheads.
And still to this day you see Hasidic Jews, Orthodox Jews, that still put Bible verses on their foreheads or even on their arms.
They walk around with that.
In the end, Lucifer is going to use the Antichrist to do the exact same thing to give people access to the economy.
But what's the real tie there?
The real tie is if you get humanity to believe that there is no hope, and there's only one hope that can cause you to survive, which is the economy.
I mean, throughout all human history, throughout all religions, world religions, it doesn't matter whether you're Muslim, whether you're Buddhist, it doesn't matter.
We all need to survive, and the economy keeps us afloat.
So in the end times, God is literally the provider of all humanity.
That's my belief.
That's what I believe.
He's my provider.
He's my all-in-all, right?
But Lucifer wants to be that as well.
And if he can take everything that he has from you, especially the way that you got it, you will bow your knee to whomever will give it back to you.
tim pool
Well, I don't know a whole lot about all that Revelation stuff, but I can say, it's true, people don't know how to survive outside of the current system.
So, a lot of the left, they don't understand what economy means.
They have this meme, oh no, the economy!
It's like, bro, the economy means the system by which goods and services are brought to the people who need them.
It means household management.
You're hungry?
The economy is a reference to the system of how that food is grown, produced, sent to the store, so that you can buy it, or so that the government can give it to you.
Even if the government... So, this is what they don't understand.
Communism has an economy.
It's called a command economy.
This household management of a country is an authoritarian communist system.
It doesn't work very well, as we've seen throughout history, but it literally is an economy.
So many people, I ask you this, how many people who live in any of these big cities know how to even grow food?
Like we saw at the LARP farm at the Chaz, the autonomous zone in Seattle.
elijah schaffer
It was beautiful, you kind of, we just a throwback.
It was so, my favorite part about that garden was that for a while they had a garden for black people only and then it switched to people of color.
And the worst part was, is that that was the only garden that wasn't growing food.
And no one could figure out if the people weren't planting the food, or if white people were too afraid to plant because it was all white people tending the gardens.
tim pool
The log farm was garbage.
They didn't understand anything about basic farming at all.
They put potted plants in the dirt.
They threw cardboard down, threw dirt on it, and put potted plants in it.
Did you even look something up on Google?
Bro, if you don't know how to farm, you can't farm.
So, look, I don't expect anybody even here to know how to farm.
elijah schaffer
Bro, can you even farm?
unidentified
Seriously?
tim pool
I'll tell you what.
We've grown our own food because people have gardens.
So a lot of people understand, like, you know, general gardening.
But farming's a whole other issue.
You know, like, when do you rotate crops?
How do you preserve the land?
When do you fallow or things like that?
Farming requires farmers who know what they're doing and can tell you how it's done.
These people in cities won't survive without the economy.
I mean, without someone getting food to them.
drew hernandez
Did you see people's responses to lack of toilet paper?
Did you see people's responses?
elijah schaffer
It's still happening right now though.
I mean, realistically speaking though, and I'll say this, like I actually, so I was, I was totally, I've never bulk bought anything.
I have this idea that God provides for me and I don't need to worry or fear, but I'll tell you this.
There was a one moment.
Because I'll tell you, when I was living in L.A., we have good Mexican food, and I'll tell you, it's good going in, the other side's another story.
And you need toilet paper!
There are those moments.
And I'm newly married, and I'm in my house, and I'm like, alright, God will provide.
I know this sounds so ridiculous before 2020, and I start noticing there's like four toilet paper rolls left, then three toilet paper rolls left, and I'm going, Okay, okay.
God provide.
And I was like, okay.
There was like this one morning.
It was like 6 a.m.
I woke up out of my sleep.
I was like, I gotta go wait in line somewhere to get toilet paper.
And so like I went to go to Target.
I waited in line.
It opened.
No toilet paper.
Even waiting in line for an hour.
So then We were rationing toilet paper, like little pieces, and we're
trying to eat like non-high-fiber foods and stuff.
And it got to the point where I ended up waiting in a two and a half hour line
in Costco just to get a pack of toilet paper. And I remember thinking, this entire system
is so much more fragile than I could have ever hoped for or imagined
that I just took a day off of work to be able to wipe my butt.
tim pool
But hold on.
At what point in a situation like that would you just grab a towel, rip a piece off, and then be like, I guess we're doing it the old-fashioned way?
elijah schaffer
We were a day away.
We were a day away of just planning, like taking some leaves off the tree.
I swear.
drew hernandez
I got something to confess.
I got something to confess.
unidentified
Okay.
elijah schaffer
Oh no.
drew hernandez
All right.
I literally, my wife is watching and she's probably freaking dying right now.
I literally went to this like super ghetto Mexican supermarket because there was no toilet paper in California, wherever we went.
And I literally bought like five packs of like a hundred packs of napkins as toilet paper.
elijah schaffer
At least you didn't do sponges.
I'm not even going to say sponges.
drew hernandez
I just want to confess that on record that I went and I bought out napkins at a ghetto supermarket.
tim pool
Think about the response people had to this, right?
Instead of being like, well, they're out of toilet paper.
What can we do to solve this problem?
They're just like, I'm going to go wait in line for several hours.
You guys, I'm going to go wait in line and just eventually someone will give me toilet paper, I guess.
elijah schaffer
Have you been to LA?
It's not like there's a lot of trees there anyways to cut down and plant.
luke rudkowski
All my Japanese friends are laughing at all of you guys right now.
Well, they have the fancy toilets.
tim pool
Brazil too.
I went to Brazil once.
This is a funny story.
I went to the hotel, and the bathroom has like a concave floor with a drain in the middle, and there was a hose next to the toilet.
No, this is Brazil, man.
luke rudkowski
Most of the world does this.
tim pool
Yeah, most of the world.
And so, I was at an office for like a big company, and that was their bathroom.
And I was like, like, do I just spray and then it goes down the drain?
Like, what is this?
And when I came out, I was like, man, I'm from America.
We don't have that.
And she was like, you don't have that?
And I was like, yeah, like the hose?
And she goes, how do you clean yourself?
And I was like, what do you mean?
We use toilet paper.
And she goes, that doesn't clean anything.
And I was like, oh, that's a good point.
elijah schaffer
I use wet.
Honestly, though, I'll tell you, this is a serious pro tip.
This is a serious pro tip that my doctor even told me.
They make like flushable antiseptic, like wet wipes that actually clean in America.
And if you can't find toilet paper, usually you can go to the section, the toddler section, or you can find it in the adult section.
They're flushable, like baby wipes.
And they're actually clean.
You use less of them.
So if you're trying to ration paper or you're in a place where they don't have a lot of toilet paper, check the flushable wipes and they're often in stock.
tim pool
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luke rudkowski
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tim pool
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luke rudkowski
Another thing people need to realize is that we as Americans are extremely spoiled And after just traveling the world, I mean, most people just use natural squatty potties as a way to relieve themselves.
No one here at this house, by the way, uses a squatty potty.
I'm disgusted.
No, I disagree with you.
But another thing to really kind of think here is that we are not resilient.
A lot of people in places like Mexico that have went through economic collapses, people who have to wait long lines just to get their money, just to get their bi-weekly, bi-monthly paycheck.
They are resilient.
They are prepared for everything.
The city slickers?
The flip-flop, latte-drinking, Starbucks-loving yuppies?
They're not ready for anything.
And when time really comes to a head and they have to deal with the realities of a country 27 trillion dollars in debt that still gives out billions of dollars in foreign aid, when they have to deal with the larger ramifications of these politicians selling them down the river, They're going to have a very rude awakening, and when people panic, when people freak out, that's going to be really a true test of anyone in any major city, and it's one of the reasons I left New York City, and I'm never coming back.
tim pool
The U.S.
federal debt-to-GDP ratio was at 130.47%.
unidentified
130.
tim pool
In 2000, it was at 59%.
In 1980, it was at 34.
point four seven percent. One hundred and thirty in 2000 it was at 59 percent. In 1980
drew hernandez
it was at 34. Thanks Donald Trump.
Remember the big speech on the stimulus package?
That's why, dude, we can't afford stuff like that right now.
It's nothing new that we give billions of dollars of foreign aid away, but it's like in the midst of this pandemic, all of a sudden we're giving billions of dollars to Pakistan for gender studies.
luke rudkowski
It's not even aid.
It's speed boats for Sri Lanka.
They call it.
Yeah, it's 1.3.
What is it?
It's a huge exorbitant amount, not just to Israel, but other countries like Egypt, Sudan.
There's so many of these countries just getting handouts.
And where does this money go?
It usually doesn't go towards even that country.
It goes towards the middle person, the bureaucrat standing in the way that stifles it in for themselves, their friends, their special interests.
They get the money.
And that's why we didn't have the $2,000 stimulus check.
That's why we had gender studies in Pakistan.
tim pool
So you have right now $27 trillion in debt.
And then people will ask me, Tim, do you think things are gonna get really bad?
I'm not gonna tell you yes or no.
I'm just gonna say people with connections are buying up land like crazy and dumping dollars for things like Bitcoin.
And we're $27 trillion in debt while our government just gave away billions of dollars to other countries.
So let me tell you something.
Think about that friend you have, right?
And he lives in an apartment.
He hasn't paid his rent.
And then he gets his rent money and he says, yeah, but you know, we're going to go out to the bar.
luke rudkowski
Or goes on OnlyFans and gives it to Lula.
Lula's getting my money.
That's literally the government.
The government is the simp.
That is simping to China.
I had a whole huge analogy to this.
It's kind of an adult, so I'm not going to say it here.
But literally, they take the money.
You're supposed to pay rent together.
He goes on OnlyFans, spends all of it, does fentanyl from China.
tim pool
Is it good fentanyl?
elijah schaffer
Is it from Afghanistan or something?
Afghan poppies.
Afghanistan or something?
luke rudkowski
Well, no, bro.
elijah schaffer
Afghan poppies.
drew hernandez
How about every time a stimulus package comes out, if it's $600 or if it's $1,200,
you'll see all these TVs in Walmart that are like $10 less than your stimulus.
And then I hate to say this, but I really think it's a lot of uneducated people
that don't even pick up on stuff like that because they know they'll go spend their money
at these massive corporate entities like Walmart just to give them the upper edge
and give them the millions and billions of dollars.
Well, the mom and pop shops, they suffer and they die.
And I think that's by design.
tim pool
You've got the best Democrat campaign slogan for Georgia right now.
Vote for the Democrats in Georgia, you're gonna get $2,000.
Because Mitch McConnell blocked it, and they're not gonna do it.
But the Democrats are like, we want it, we want to.
So if the Democrats win, you're getting paid.
So there were a lot of people that didn't care about politics, but they were like, yo, my boy Trump just gave us cash, awesome.
Trump gets his name on the checks or whatever.
That's big.
Giving people money, you'll get votes.
elijah schaffer
So the government feels a lot like alcohol in 2021.
It's like, oh, your life's depressed because you've been getting drunk too often, wasting your money and sleeping around.
How about we numb that out with a couple more shots of vodka tonight and then you'll forget about your problems.
Like we're going to give you more government to fix your government problems from 2020.
That's the cure is just giving you your way out.
We keep bending you over and that's digging.
How I feel?
tim pool
Digging your way out of a hole.
It reminds me of the Simpsons where they're looking for treasure or something and they dig 20 feet down and they're like, uh, how do we get out?
And Homer's like, we'll dig our way out and they just keep digging.
elijah schaffer
Well, I think what's really cool about all this though is that where I kind of almost get upset sometimes at certain people on the right wing or the libertarian movement that sort of condemn all these new people sort of waking up and breaking out of the city slick life, waking up out of this Democrat life. They keep saying, oh, they're moving to
Republican states.
They're changing all of our states. They're moving in that place.
But according to Greg Abbott, he said that we just did some studies in Texas
that we're looking at the way that that that voters change their vote when they
moved. And actually, 58 percent of Californians who were coming from
California to Texas were voting Republican, as opposed to what's being
pushed as the narrative that Californians are switching the state to being blue.
And so what we're seeing is that actually, like me as someone from Los Angeles, I always love it like people are like, oh, you talk funny.
Oh, your pants are too tight.
You're not a real conservative.
You're not a real this or that.
I go, I never said I'm like a super conservative.
I'm come from Hollywood, California.
Like I don't, I'm not, I'm, I'm waking up out of this going, holy crap.
I can't, if I'm going to get married, like I got married and within months I told my wife, I was like, I know this doesn't make sense financially.
I know this does.
I know it's not going to make sense to my family.
My mom was in the middle of dying.
By the way, she died three months after I left.
Like you don't leave your mom dying.
I go, as the lockdowns came, we've got to get out of here.
Like we've got to leave this state because I don't know what's going to happen, but it's not going to be good.
And look, as we left last June, it's only gotten, it's digressed in California.
luke rudkowski
Well, you brought up a very important point.
When you have to work for what you have, you automatically become a conservative.
And when a lot of these people move out of the big cities and they move towards the suburban areas, they have to work for everything they got.
There's an interesting noise.
elijah schaffer
That's a helicopter!
tim pool
Yeah, maybe.
elijah schaffer
They're coming for you, Tim!
I told you!
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
They're flying to D.C.
elijah schaffer
Oh, really?
drew hernandez
There's a helicopter, guys.
We can hear it in studio.
tim pool
But we're in the middle of nowhere, so usually when there's a helicopter going by, we're like, oh, what's going on with this?
luke rudkowski
A few of them, not just one.
unidentified
I hear them all.
Right.
tim pool
Yeah, it was a bunch, actually.
It was like, I'm like, is it getting louder?
unidentified
What's going on?
elijah schaffer
It's better than the jets we have.
I'm right over the jet flying in Texas.
So, like, I'll be in the middle of a show recording and I'm like...
unidentified
Wonderful.
tim pool
So what you're saying is you're saying that Texas is becoming more red.
Is that what you're saying?
elijah schaffer
I'm saying that the studies show that it's not the Californians changing, which I mean, that's why everyone giving all these people just waking up a hard time.
I think a lot of people, if you actually look at the studies and the trends, not a bunch of people complaining.
Shows like this are working to wake people up where you watch Tim and it's not like Tim's a right wing nut job.
It's like, in fact, you probably piss a lot of right wing people off.
tim pool
Oh, they're so mad at me.
unidentified
Right.
elijah schaffer
And so my point being is that you can sit here and you can talk to someone like Vosh, who a lot of right-wing people hate, then you can talk to someone like myself or Drew or whatever.
tim pool
Or Alice Jones.
elijah schaffer
Well, that's even worse.
tim pool
I asked Vosh to come back with Jones, but he didn't want to do it.
He was worried about COVID.
And that's like a real left thing.
They're super worried about COVID.
Conservatives really aren't.
So I've actually reached out to a bunch of leftists, like, you know, we'll have Jones on, you can come on.
And for the most part, they're just like, but COVID, you know, I don't want to do it.
And they're like, that's a legitimate reason.
They, there's no point in arguing.
I'm like, okay, you know, whatever.
But here, I'll tell you what I think.
I think, you know, we're seeing a lot of people move out of big cities.
The people, there's, in California, they're trying to recall Newsom, right?
But the people, I think they're gonna have a hard time of it.
They're doing well, we'll see how it plays out.
But the people who don't like Newsom leave.
They go move to Texas.
They go move to Colorado.
So what happens when the more conservative people will up and go and the people who are okay with Newsom stay?
California becomes bluer and Less?
More apathetic, I guess.
If you're going to sit there and let Newsom do whatever he wants and do nothing about it, apathy for sure.
So then the red states are going to become more entrenched ideologically in red.
The blue states become more entrenched ideologically in low information, apathetic tribalist.
And then what happens?
We're already a country split down the middle.
Do the red states have a resurgence and the Republicans start winning again?
Or do red and blue states start pointing things at each other and then swinging things at each other?
drew hernandez
I think a lot of people are probably blue without even knowing it.
What do I mean by that?
I think there's a lot of people that aren't politically engaged, they're not into economics, they don't even understand the damage of a massive stimulus bill.
They're just like, oh just give me my 600 bucks even though we're going to be trillions of dollars in debt.
Why?
Because it hasn't affected them personally yet.
And I think a lot of people are waking up to the reality that their lives are being affected by these policies in big blue states, and they're leaving these states because it's affecting them.
But are they really changing to not vote the same way in these other states?
I was talking about this with Lydia earlier.
It's like, I think a lot of people They recognize that bad things are happening and it affects them, but they leave the states without understanding why it happened in the first place.
So they still vote the same way because of Hollywood or the music industry.
They see people like Jay-Z or freaking Cardi B up there twerking with Bernie Sanders.
And it's like, oh, well, you should vote for the Democrats because Cardi B said so!
And it's like, nothing changes because there's no education involved.
Does that make any sense?
Like people understand something's wrong and they leave without understanding why.
And then they just vote the same.
tim pool
But then you have so so I think I one of the things I say about Democrats is that they rely on solely almost exclusively on low information voters easily evidenced by the fact that they try to lower the voting age to 16 or they've advocated for it and that they get a lot of younger voters.
Clearly these are people who haven't had serious work experience.
Many of them haven't even paid taxes.
A lot of these kids who graduate college and then tend to vote Democrat haven't worked a job.
Or they may have worked some job, but they don't really understand what it means to run a business and pay taxes and pay employees and pay benefits and all that.
So they vote based on their interests.
It's very simple.
If you spend your life in an institutionalized learning facility where everything is provided for you and you follow the rules of the authority, What are you going to vote for?
Institutionalization.
Everything being provided to you by the authority and following the authority as, you know, verbatim, as they say.
Conservatives and non-college educated people are people who they mock and they'll insult.
Aha, you're working class, you didn't go to school, you're so dumb.
You know, Democrats are smarter.
It's like, or actually conservatives tend to be people who are self-reliant.
They'll go out, work for themselves, they'll get a job, they'll pay taxes, they'll start a business.
They don't go to college, so that means they have to support themselves somehow.
So they're not in institutionalized learning facilities where the authority is telling them what to do and providing for them.
That creates a clear distinction as the generations get older and enter the voting population.
elijah schaffer
Right. But I think there's there's more people somewhere in the middle.
And I think there's this whole class of people developing.
And here's what I mean is like the far left crazy people are saying one thing like, you know, there's no gender and,
you know, sexuality is fluid and you're you know, your kids eight.
But they know they're you know, if they want to get a sex change, you should listen to them and take their advice,
even though, you know, they have a bedtime.
Somehow they can decide their entire hormonal future.
I mean, there's these people and I think most people see that and they kind of reject that because for their own
families, they're like, I don't really want that for them.
But then there's this like weird similarity on the right wing, too, that always asks, what are you conserving?
What are you conserving as if everybody's this like alt Puritan conservative that wants this Christendom in America, like
as if that's really what everyone in America wants.
But I think most people are in this point where they're just in the culture and it's starting to get so extreme and it's starting to get so in your face where it's like they're naturally like default blue but they're going, dude now you're starting to get into weird like kid stuff and you're starting to push like we saw recently Cardi B won't even let her own kids watch her music video.
She pushed her kids out of the room when it was on TV.
Wow.
Smart.
You start to see, like, well, that's what I'm saying.
You go from suggestive music to songs like WAP, that even if you're a sexualized person and you're expressive, you're going, that doesn't need to be on TV.
And I think people are starting to get sick of it and going, there's gotta be something where we're just getting back to like setting some standard of morality, some standard of morals that we can agree on.
luke rudkowski
A lot of the big tech executives don't even let their kids use social media.
tim pool
One of the best compliments I got for my song, Will of the People, Was someone just posting the lyrics to WAP and then posting the lyrics to my song?
And that was the point they were making.
Like, this is the popular song with the millions of views that everyone's talking about, WAP.
And then they were like, my song, which has like 700,000 and it's like very serious about revolutions and like, you know, and politics.
It doesn't get it.
And I've known that my whole life.
I've always listened to punk music and it's never been the most popular and, you know, most listened to.
The crazy thing is...
You know, we went for a drive recently and we were listening to a bunch of, you know, 60s, 70s music and stuff like that.
And there are some meaningful songs put out by, like, classic rock bands.
But then you look at the stuff that has a billion views, a billion listens today, and it's like, you've got these songs, like, man, Probably the easiest and most iconic is Fortunate Son by Creedence Clearwater Revival, right?
You know that song, Fortunate Son?
It's the Vietnam song, basically.
Every movie about Vietnam or video game, it's like, they play Fortunate Son.
It's a song about, he's like, you know, it ain't me, I'm not no senator's son.
Talking about the privileged people and the powerful connections, political elites and those with money and how they, you know, can get what they want, they can avoid what they want, they don't gotta pay taxes and things like that.
You have these meaningful songs that got a ton of listen, you know, ton of downloads and then you pull up Spotify and you're like, what's getting the views?
And it's like, you know, whatever.
It's like, I mean, if people like it, people can buy it.
Welcome to capitalism.
But there's like there's there's meaning being stripped out of our arts, you know, and it's becoming very just dry and generic and base and.
And, you know, I think there's gonna be a culture collapse of some sort because we're whittling down to the lowest common denominator to try and, like, movies is a good example.
There was a period where, up until the movies were destroyed by the COVID lockdowns, blockbusters, it's just mindless explosions and shrapnel like Transformers.
elijah schaffer
Michael Bay movies.
tim pool
Yeah, but the reason, you know why those do well is because it transcends language.
So anybody around the world could, you could just watch, you know, Optimus Prime.
elijah schaffer
Transcends IQ.
luke rudkowski
Well, another thing to realize, a lot of our entertainment, whether it's art, music, movies, has been hijacked, has been used as a way to push political ideas rather than to entertain.
It's used to program individuals to believe certain things, to have a certain ideology, to have a favorable view of institutions like The CIA or establishment institutions or democratic institutions.
They're made to look favorable.
And when you look at entertainment, it's not there for your viewing enjoyment.
It's there to make you think a certain way.
And it's been weaponized to a degree that's extremely dangerous, in my opinion.
tim pool
To a certain degree, I think they're trying to make money.
But speaking of the FBI, and, you know, the FBI has that TV show about the FBI agents, The X-Files, and it's about aliens.
A Harvard professor says alien technology—that was a great segue, right?
unidentified
Very smooth segue.
luke rudkowski
I'll compliment you on that one.
tim pool
Yeah, it was so good.
I'm so good at podcasting.
We got this crazy story, and then we'll go to Super Chats after this, but check out this story.
This is crazy.
I really want to talk about this.
Harvard professor says alien technology visited our solar system in 2017.
He also says they're coming back.
In his upcoming book, Extraterrestrial, the first time of intelligent life beyond Earth, theoretical physicist Avi Loeb lays out his theory about a peculiar shaped object that has entered our solar system several years ago.
The interstellar object named Oumuamua was first observed through the Pan-STARRS telescope in Hawaii's Haleakala Observatory in 2017.
Researchers observed that it had passed through the ecliptic plane on September 6th from the direction of Vega, a star in the Lyra constellation that is about 25 light-years away from our planet.
Just three days later, Oumuamua, Hawaiian for scout, began accelerating toward the sun before it eventually came closer to Earth on October 7th, moving swiftly towards the constellation Pegasus and the blackness beyond.
Some scientists claimed Oumuamua, which is believed to be the first interstellar object detected in our solar system, was simply another comet.
However, Loeb, the chairman of Harvard University's astronomy department, dismisses that assumption And as it relies too much on the familiar.
What would happen if a caveman saw a cellophane?
You wondered.
He's seen rocks all his life.
He would have thought it was just a shiny rock.
Loeb says that there are two big details that suggest Oumuamua wasn't just a comet, but a piece of alien technology.
The first detail is the object's dimensions, as it was determined to be five to ten times longer than it was wide.
Loeb argues the cigar-like shape isn't typical for a natural space object.
But the theoretical physicist lays the biggest detail that supports his theory is the movement.
The excess push away from the sun that was the thing that broke the camel's back.
Loeb explains the sun's gravitational force would cause a natural object to move faster as it approaches and eventually push the object back, causing it to move slower as it moves away.
Loeb points out that this didn't occur with Oumuamua, which accelerated slightly, but to a highly statistically significant extent.
If we are not alone, are we the smartest kids on the block, he asks?
If there was a species that eliminated itself through war or change in the climate, we can get our act together and behave better.
Instead, we are wasting a lot of resources on Earth, fighting each other, and other negative things that are a big waste.
He said also, we're coming back.
This is not the first story we got this year about aliens being real and coming to Earth.
And now the head of Harvard's astronomy department has said, yeah, aliens are real.
So we talked about revelations a little bit, but what if aliens are coming?
luke rudkowski
Well, some religious people believe those are demonic entities.
Some conspiracy theorists believe otherwise.
Some people say it's advanced technology.
But it really does kind of feel like they're prepping us for something.
I mean, we had that head of the Israeli space program.
We had these recent new revelations.
We have the event that just happened in Hawaii.
We have the disclosure, which is supposed to happen in about 180 days.
That's in the COVID relief bill.
tim pool
We'll clarify that.
Somehow, in the COVID Omnibus, the spending bill, was the Intelligence Authorization Act, which included, from the time of passing the bill, 180 days, the Pentagon must release all their information on UFOs.
So, they've been slow-rolling this.
We just saw a crazy UFO in West Virginia.
We did a segment about it.
It looked nuts.
People were saying it was a flaming UFO crashing to Earth or something.
But, I don't know.
Everybody's been speculating.
Aliens are coming.
What do you guys think?
drew hernandez
I think, I think it's a mixture.
I think, uh, if you take a look at World War II, with Roswell, you know, coming out of that, how NASA came out, you know, there definitely was, like, this technological boom and advancement, because the Nazis were obviously involved with, like, black magic, and Adolf Hitler was obsessed with that, like, obtaining even the scientists, like, crazy Nazi scientists that were obsessed with, you know, communicating with off-world entities, or whatever they called them.
Some people believe they're demons, in order to obtain Like, crazy scientific knowledge and astrophysics and all these things.
A lot of people believe that's how the atom bomb came into reality, but Americans got to it first.
But I think it is interesting how there's always this connection with technology and, like, off-world entities.
And if you take a look at it from a biblical perspective, like you said, I mean, the Bible does make it very clear that, you know, we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against spiritual hosts of wickedness and principalities and powers, but I just want to point out how there always is... I'll tell you this.
Let's have a little Bible study.
The number one thing that I believe, when you take a look at the Garden of Eden, where Eve was deceived, what was the one thing that he tempted her with?
One thing was that she would have some kind of super knowledge.
There's always some kind of temptation with an expert knowledge or a knowledge that goes further or a wisdom that takes you beyond.
tim pool
Like DMT.
Exactly.
drew hernandez
The offer to DMT.
And that's what I'm saying.
Whenever there's UFOs involved or some kind of spiritual entities involved, there's always this offer of an advanced knowledge and then an advancement in technology.
Have you guys seen the Bob Lazar documentary on Netflix?
Oh yeah.
So I definitely think there is some kind of technological advancement.
Have you guys seen, like, throughout Trump's presidency, he'll come out and say, if you guys, he'll threaten nations.
He'll be like, if you guys keep doing this, you guys are gonna see, like, you know, rain and fire like the world has never seen before.
I definitely, and then the Space Force came, right?
I definitely think we have something that other nations don't know what it is, but where that knowledge came from, I personally believe is supernatural.
tim pool
Supernatural as in aliens?
drew hernandez
I believe demonic beings.
elijah schaffer
Can we talk about that?
You said with DMT, and I don't want to get too druggy here, but one thing that's interesting is I didn't become a Christian until I was 19 and I'm still learning a lot.
But one thing I can say is I was agnostic before then, as agnostic as a teenager could be, but I rejected a lot of spiritual things.
My background is in science.
I went to university in that.
I've always been a man about you know, the physical and what you can measure and the
methods that go into that, something that science no longer is.
But I remember that one interesting thing that I didn't expect to was to kind of get
into experimenting with drugs growing up.
And you know, I remember doing drugs like ecstasy or smoking pot and those were fun.
But I remember the first time that I did, I did mushrooms.
I was younger, and I remember there was nothing like that that I'd ever done in my life, and the psilocybin and that feeling.
Every drug that I had consumed, every substance kind of numbed or altered reality, but I had never felt like I wasn't myself before, living in a new world, until I had taken mushrooms.
And I think trying a bunch of, you know, psychedelics in those years, like LSD even, like 5-Ameo dipped and all those experimental ones that were coming out, 2C-B.
I think there was one time where I just took way too many mushrooms, you know, like just too many.
luke rudkowski
Been there, done that.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, just too many.
And like, I remember having like a mental breakdown.
I didn't believe in spirits or anything, but no lie, I went into my friend's bathroom, way to do this, his parents are asleep.
You're in the living room, you take a bunch of mushrooms, wise decision.
And total 16-year-old wisdom there, guys.
I remember I went into the restroom and this being appeared and was telling me to stick my head into the toilet and drown myself and to kill myself.
And I felt like the only way to escape what was going on was to die.
And as much as it might just sound like it was like a bad trip, I felt for a moment like real in that moment and I felt like I woke up and these I looked at the being in this restroom and I can remember that it's like a long restroom and it was like a dark like a like a dark force And I remember that I had never felt so oppressed.
And you know, for years after that instance, I struggled with suicide.
I was heavily depressed, but I wasn't on mushrooms anymore.
And I started to wake up to the fact that there might be something else out there, because why is it that I'm no longer high, but these feelings that I first experienced while in that toilet are staying with me?
And I think that there's some validity to the fact that I think that spirits are real.
I think that there is something that is genuinely real and out there.
I know a lot of people say it's not true, that it's just a trick of the mind or a hallucination, but the reality speaking is when you talk about people's trips on hallucinogens, why do they all see the same things?
You know, why is this not an uncommon experience where people see dark forces, the devil?
I mean, but coming into this with aliens, it's like, I just... We're all human.
luke rudkowski
Well, it depends.
It's not all unison.
It's not all the same. Some people have positive effects.
Some people have negative effects.
elijah schaffer
I had positive effects mostly. I'm just saying, but when you come down to this,
I started realizing there could be more. And I think that I had a genuine conversion experience
while I was sober. When I was 19, I was on the toilet. I'm not even joking. I was on the toilet,
and I was reading this book, Why Grace Changes Everything, not trying to become a Christian,
not trying to like... It wasn't like in some tent revival meeting. It wasn't emotional.
And then I had just like, something clicked where like, I realized that all the pain that I felt, the depression, everything, could be forgiven in a moment.
You can say that I was, you know, that it was fake, but it was real to me.
That I felt something shift in my mind, in my heart, that I can't ever deny, where I began to become aware that God was real, He was in my life, and I've never been the same.
And so sometimes I wonder the people that doubt that there's something else out there, maybe it's just they haven't experienced anything real or they've been around so many frauds who are trying to, you know, sell something to them or like, you know, they're just basing off of a hallucination that that's why they don't believe.
I think there's like a split in that.
tim pool
I've met people who have told me that they've communicated with other beings or something like that.
Like I had one guy who told me that he was a drug addict.
He was wasting his life, and then one day he was in the woods, and he felt a voice inside of him coming out, asking him, what are you doing?
Why are you doing this?
And that was a profound spiritual experience where he became very, very Christian, and then turned his life around, got off drugs, started working, and he was just like some punk rock dude.
He kept to, you know, his love of punk rock, but he opened a business, and he just totally got away from drugs.
And he was like, I know you won't believe me when I say that it happened, but it doesn't matter.
It happened to me.
It's my experience.
I can tell you what I experienced and it's your choice if you want to believe it or not.
And he was like, and I understand most people here that are going to say that's crazy.
There's no way that happened.
And he's like, but I'm telling you a voice came from the center of my being telling me this.
And I was like, I mean, I believe you, but there's two ways to explain it.
You had a spiritual response because another worldly being was telling you you're destroying your life or I think we also need to realize that everything is energy.
helped you, so it's a positive thing.
I think, you know, just kind of roll with it.
And I'm not going to come out and rain on your parade and be like, no, you're wrong.
You're crazy.
I'm going to be like, hey, man, you're doing really well for yourself.
You've turned things around.
Whatever it was, it worked and it helped you.
luke rudkowski
I think we also need to realize that everything is energy.
We're very energetic.
And to think that it's only in the dimensions that we see it under, it's kind of naive because
there's a lot more happening that we don't even perceive, see, or feel.
And there's even a lot of theories out there, and even official scientific studies, that talked about how it could have been things like psychedelics, like mushrooms, that have propelled civilizations, that might have actually started religions, that might have actually...
Uh, I don't know about that one.
Do you have a specific reference that you're commenting about?
tim pool
No, I'm saying people doing drugs going crazy and then... Well, it depends.
luke rudkowski
Well, we have meth, which is, you know, it depends what you also see as a drug because, again, people see psychedelics in a scientific term not just as, you know, a drug that you take for fun, But there also have been a lot of medical studies recently that correlate a lot of significance when it comes to brain development and dealing with issues like PTSD and depression that have been very profound and very important when it comes to this kind of psychedelic space which kind of, according to many people, merges this physical and spiritual world and lets people see this veil, whether good or not,
And I think personally, in my own personal opinion, there is something way bigger.
There is something greater.
There are entities that are good.
There are entities that are bad.
And I think that's something that I personally believe in myself.
elijah schaffer
Why is it overtly positive and negative?
That's one thing that I've always questioned, and maybe you can help me with this.
When you see people claim to have experiences with spiritual beings, taking aside the totally kooky people who you're just going, you're grifting, you're trying to get money, or you're selling me something.
Let's take genuine experiences, whether it's on Ayahuasca or it's like a Christian experience, or even some sort of like a Buddhist experience.
Let's take the spiritual.
Usually it's like, kind of like the extreme, where it's like, I encountered some being, and it either really freaked me the heck out, and it put me into a downward spiral, or A, my whole life changed for the positive.
It's not just like, yo, so I was walking down, this being was like, I'm Carl, do you like Mexican candy?
And I was like, yeah, that stuff's pretty salty, but good, and we went our ways.
It's always like, some really extreme reaction, and their life changes, Permanently!
Everyone always says, my life changed!
tim pool
Where's the being who appears and says, dude, you're listening to The Beatles again?
That's overrated, dude!
Ron Zeppelin!
luke rudkowski
Way better!
But you brought up an important thing, the kind of extremes of it.
And because of that, a lot of people paint these things as really good or really bad.
And we need to find the middle ground here, because you could have an experience that could be either or, and you need to understand them, not just label them and blame them for whatever's going on.
drew hernandez
I have a story.
I was a youth pastor for about five years and I was doing vocational ministry.
Elijah could relate to this too.
I remember this one time I was working on a Bible study to teach on this particular night.
I had it all laid out.
I spent all night studying throughout the night because I like to study throughout the night.
And I was up till maybe like four in the morning.
And then the next morning when I woke up, I had to walk down the street in order to go pick up one of the cars that was getting worked on at a mechanic shop, right?
And I remember walking down the street and this random homeless guy just comes out of nowhere that I've never seen before, never met before in my entire life.
And he walks up straight up to me and he's like, so you believe in Jesus?
Random guy.
And I'm like, yeah.
And he starts to say, why are you going to go and do what you're going to do tomorrow night?
Because we were going to give a Bible study, we were going to feed people like free tacos, this and that.
And he's like, why are you going to go there tomorrow night and do all those nice things for those people?
Why are you going to feed them?
Why are you going to be good to them?
You think that God really cares about that stuff?
And I'm like, okay.
And then out of nowhere he starts to just straight up, he recited almost my entire Bible study.
Entire Bible study to my face.
Everything I was going to teach on that following day starts blaspheming the teaching as if the guy was in my room the night before watching me study the entire night long.
And when you take a look at demonic, you know, entities and the way that they interact with people in the scripture is they always blaspheme Christ and they blaspheme anything that has anything to do with Christ.
And a lot of people don't understand that, you know, in distant religions they'll call them watchers or they'll call them, you know, the ones that are always listening in.
But people need to realize that whatever your interpretation is of it is why does it always have to blaspheme God or blaspheme Christ?
And I kind of want people to just think about that, that are listening to this right now, because I find it interesting.
And I could tell you guys some crazy stories, dude.
We've had kids in the ministry, 12-year-old little kids, demon-possessed out of their minds, eyes pitch black, literally, eyes pitch black, 12-year-old little kid, about maybe 92 pounds, 95 pounds, literally physically lifting up like pastors that probably weigh like 230, 250 pounds.
Like possessed kids?
unidentified
No.
elijah schaffer
I've seen people possessed too.
I didn't believe until I saw it.
No way.
drew hernandez
Yeah, I'm dead serious. This kid was like 12 years old was speaking in a grown man's voice
Speaking in Spanish perfect Spanish wasn't even Hispanic perfect Spanish. You saw that happen
unidentified
Yeah, they were doing this this kid was in my youth group crazy
drew hernandez
Demon possessed out of his mind.
elijah schaffer
Most Americans believe in angels and demons.
This is what I think.
I think, like, as we talk about this... I need to see evidence, man.
But I'm saying, there's a doubt in a lot of people when we talk about this.
drew hernandez
Let's go to Haiti, Tim.
elijah schaffer
But a lot of people, a lot of people believe in this.
And I think what's happened is, is that when you go to, when you go down to, like, some people could call it mental illness, but we've really got to ask ourselves with the alien question.
You know, it's so funny that, like, Christians are always like, you know, oh, there's no aliens.
But then they're telling everyone to believe in angels and demons.
And then you have these people who are like, God's not real.
There's no angels and demons.
And they're like, but there's aliens on other planets.
It's like, well, it's all really shows something and it's interesting in the human condition and brain is that there's something in us, whether it's from conditioning or something in nature, to where we like feel like there's something else out there.
A lot of American, I think it's more Americans than not believe in this.
And so it's just an interesting thing to me is that these stories come out.
The reason why they're even, they're publishing them is because they get clicked on.
And it's just like, but we can't prove him per se, unless you were like, maybe there with him specifically.
So it's like, I don't know what we can do here.
tim pool
It's trust.
I remember when I was, uh, when I was like 19, I was talking to this religious guy.
So I grew up Catholic and then I left when I was a kid.
elijah schaffer
Did you?
tim pool
Yeah.
You didn't know that?
unidentified
No.
drew hernandez
I didn't know that either.
tim pool
Yeah.
Catholic school.
And then, uh, but I, once I was a teenager, it was like out the window, really, really atheist.
And then I met a guy and he asked me, he was like, you know, we were talking about religion.
And then he said, how do you know you're breathing?
What are you breathing right now?
And I was like, air?
And he's like, yeah, yeah, but like, what is it?
And I was like, combination of gases, carbon dioxide, nitrogen, oxygen, mostly nitrogen.
He's like, oh, yeah, crazy.
How do you know that?
And I was like, I learned it in school.
And he was like, but like, did someone in school tell it to you?
And I was like, oh, my teacher brought it up.
We read it in a book.
And he goes, oh, you read it in a book?
You believe that book?
And I was like, yeah, I do.
And he was like, I read in a book that Jesus is the son of God and that he came, you know, died for our sins and all that stuff.
Is my book wrong and your book right?
And then I started to laugh and I was like, I get your point.
And his point was, while there, I think there's legitimate and valid reasons to trust science and why I will look at a science book and talk about, you know, elements and all that stuff.
People have people in their lives they trust, they've experiences they've seen, and things they trust, and they believe it.
You haven't experienced what they experienced, so you think something different.
How do you know they're wrong unless you can prove a negative, which you can't do, so it becomes very difficult.
His ultimate point was like, look man, there are a lot of people that read this book and told him these things, and had people tell them that it was true, and they believe that.
They believe it.
They've experienced it.
The experts told them.
You think the experts tell you, but he's like, when did you pull up an electron microscope and look at that oxygen, that molecule, that atom?
And I was like, I never did.
And he's like, well, shouldn't you?
If you want to believe in it and you want to claim, you need to see the evidence.
When was the last time anybody who claims to believe in science actually did the experiment to prove it to themselves?
They didn't.
So before you start talking about how you think someone else is wrong because of their religion, the first thing you can do is actually do the experiments to track radio waves.
And you can do it.
You absolutely can do it.
But people don't do it as the point.
So this guy wasn't like a religious zealot or anything.
He was making a point about philosophy and how you've got a lot of people who think they're smarter than other people.
And it could be a religious person who thinks they're smarter than those who deny the religion and say, oh, you just don't know what you're talking about.
And you've got these people who say, oh, no, you're crazy.
You know what you're talking about.
I'm smarter.
When in reality, it's just people who they trust, what they believe, what they've experienced.
And sometimes you can't change that.
It's crazy, though.
It really, you know, helped shape my view of everything.
Like, you know, this guy was pretty religious, but he was making his point.
elijah schaffer
Because science is incomplete.
And I think that that's where, with all these views, when you read stories about aliens, where people come into this, is I feel like the question of aliens is actually more philosophy and spiritual than it is a scientific question.
A lot of people talk about science like it's a religion, you know, like, do you believe in this?
And they don't realize that the science is so limited in the fact that it's just testing the physical world to, you know, through hypotheses to create theories.
And I think that people look at scientists and bureaucrats today like the bureaucrats are like the priests or like the gods and the scientists are somehow like the theologians studying and predicting the world.
tim pool
Specifically right now with the left saying the right doesn't believe in science while they literally ignore the lockdown science and ignore the World Health Organization, they selectively choose what science they support and what they oppose.
elijah schaffer
I'm like, I have a degree in science.
What do you have?
And I ask people that.
I mean, it's not that extensive, but it's like, to be honest, it's like, I can tell you that it's genuinely a very limited thing, but science today isn't even science.
It's just predictive programming of like, whatever they want you to believe in.
tim pool
Science today is very political.
And it's been political for a long time.
And that's, and that's the left who have been, so I used to work for environmental nonprofits and the left was always complaining about researchers that were paid off by, you know, major corporations.
That's what they've been. Oh those scientists do that study.
Well, they were paid off by big oil and I'm like, okay Like well so that you don't believe the science is that
report wrong for your political reason?
That's why i've always been like y'all these people just want power
They'll claim the science is on their side if it supports what they want. That's just about it
We got to go to super chats If we because we have not already so if you haven't smash
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hanging out everybody We do the show Monday through Friday live at 8 p.m.
Let's see what people are saying.
We got the first superchat of the day.
Jonathan Galterini says, I just want to say I love you and be nice to your co-stars.
I'll try.
unidentified
Luke!
luke rudkowski
Yeah, you son of a gun.
tim pool
Son of a gun.
DJ Zeno says, The Tree of Liberty is thirsty, Tim.
Yikes.
No bipartisan banking schemes.
We choose peace, love, and freedom.
Let's see.
Flimsy Fox with a big ol' super chat says, Hey Tim, they say that they're a gay, furry leftist who supports Trump.
And actually support, I'm not kidding, Flimsy Fox says they support Donald, uh, Democrat policies, but left the left as soon as, quote, soy boys started playing dirty and starting riots.
I mean, look, there are a lot of people who left the left for these reasons.
There are a lot of people who supported Trump who are actually populists, but will choose to support Trump over the establishment because establishment won't deliver.
drew hernandez
The furry, furry gays.
tim pool
So let's see, Colin P. says, did you catch in the Trump phone call that the Georgia Secretary of State said their comparison between Dominion voting machines and their hand retally were virtually the same?
Was that poor word choice?
Is there something here?
Well, it's they're not the same.
You know, that's the issue.
Logan Orr says, for the love of God, Tim, I'm begging you to stop pretending you know how the military rank structure works.
You're amazing at making non-NCOs sound like mindless NPCs.
Why, what did I say that made non-NCOs?
So just commissioned officers?
Well, it says non-NCO, so non-non-commissioned officers.
drew hernandez
I think it was when you were talking about the National Guard and the coup.
tim pool
So I actually lived on a military base, and I lived outside of one.
And that's what my experience is based on.
So, actually having a military family, living on, in base housing with my sister, and then living outside of, just outside of Fort Eustis in Newport News, when my brother was in the Army.
And I hung out with these people all the time.
And that's what my opinion is based off of.
So it's not like it's an opinion based on the entirety of the military, but it's at least based on my experience with the people who were there on those bases.
Let's see.
Jake Dog says, Elijah should have brought his puppy.
And Sydney?
Yeah, you got a dog?
elijah schaffer
You can bring your dog?
And Sydney's my neighbor.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
Bring your neighbor!
Bring your neighbor!
tim pool
Hey, party.
unidentified
Sure, why not?
tim pool
Carl Flynn says, Tim, I ran out of characters the other day.
Carl Casarda made international headlines back in 2018 after YouTube's gun content bans.
He isn't really political beyond being pro-First and Second Amendment.
Might be of interest to you.
Is he the dude who does the Slingshot channel?
Is that him or is that somebody else?
unidentified
I don't know.
luke rudkowski
That'd be cool to get the Slingshot guy on.
elijah schaffer
I've never known of a Slingshot channel.
tim pool
Well, so he was doing... I disagreed with him.
He wanted to do a YouTube union.
luke rudkowski
And I was like... I remember hearing about that.
tim pool
Terrible idea.
I totally disagree with it.
And I wouldn't want to be involved in anything like that.
And I'm really... I really, really don't like the idea of a system like that.
I'm not a fan of unions.
I'm a fan of collective bargaining.
I'm a fan of getting everyone together and then making demands.
I'm not a fan of organizing a legitimate union structure for YouTube.
Because then you get corruption, politics, garbage, and then you can't just work by yourself.
And then what will happen is, because I've worked in several unions before, I see how the dirty politics plays, and I see how the people get their benefits, and then I see how it hinders and hurts the people who are at the bottom struggling to stay afloat.
So, I'm not a fan.
I don't know why, I don't think that's the same guy.
I'm just bringing it up.
I'm not a fan of that for whatever.
elijah schaffer
My name's Tim and I don't like unions.
tim pool
And I said that during Occupy Wall Street, they had this panel at the, um, some broadcasting center or whatever.
And so they had a bunch of Occupy people and then some dude stands up and so he's like,
you guys all talk about this, but none of you will call it union corruption.
And I was like, I can't stand unions.
And then everyone was like, oh, like what?
Like, what?
But you're Occupy Wall Street!
And I was like, no, I love collective bargaining.
I love it when the workers rise up and say, you can't treat us this way, and they have their right to negotiate.
But unions have become something totally different.
And I've been in them, and my family members have been in them, and that's where my experience come from.
So, I've seen too much corruption to support that kind of stuff.
Let's see, GoatRoofer says, that was a female Proud Boy supporter who pulled the female Antifa hair tin.
It was a woman.
I thought it was a dude.
Well, I must be wrong.
That's, you know.
luke rudkowski
Genders exist.
drew hernandez
So a female Proud Boy?
tim pool
Female Proud Boy supporter.
elijah schaffer
Why don't you ask them what they identified by during that moment?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I think that's a good idea.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Justin Bookman says, the storied writers of this election are copying a podcast called Terms.
I've been hearing some rumors of a trucker protest against deliveries to DC.
It's hard to get guys to go there now.
Hi, Lids.
Unlike some beanie wearer, I acknowledge you are here.
unidentified
Thanks, bro.
elijah schaffer
When people watch your show and insult you?
tim pool
Oh, yeah, of course.
unidentified
Totally.
tim pool
Well, I actually seek out the condescending and insulting ones as well, you know?
elijah schaffer
What's the worst thing someone said about you on a comment you accidentally read?
tim pool
Accidentally read?
Or did you purposely read it?
elijah schaffer
I read it on purpose.
But did something come out where you were like, oh shoot, that was like totally violated
the guidelines?
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
elijah schaffer
Did you ever see that where you read it and you're like, oh, I can't read that out loud?
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah, I'll stop halfway.
But like, no, no, no, like when we have guests, like I'll see something and it's like, oh,
wow, that person's mean, I'm going to read it.
Like what's the point?
elijah schaffer
Creative writers, they're like, put them on blast.
tim pool
No, but like if people are going to comment things disparagingly in like super chat, do
Do I just be like, well, I refuse to say things that are mean to me.
No, I'll read it.
I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll read whatever.
If I see the comment and then I'm looking through it and I read it, just don't break the rules.
Carl Flynn says, fellas, Sean Parnell just pointed this out the other day.
Military service members swear an oath to the constitution, not any individual.
Okay.
So will they defend the constitution?
drew hernandez
Isn't that what we said?
luke rudkowski
We still have a constitution?
unidentified
Oh, do we?
tim pool
I mean, we used to.
elijah schaffer
Can someone enlighten me on what that is?
I haven't heard of it recently.
tim pool
Alright, let's see.
Matt Ellie says, make good decisions in these trying times.
Move into the mountains, buy a gun, tame a skinwalker.
What is that?
unidentified
Skinwalkers from like our first episode.
tim pool
Oh yeah, the Navajo skinwalkers, that's right.
elijah schaffer
I thought that was like a wife or something.
tim pool
Oh here we go!
You guys ready?
Zdub says, similarities between the rise of Julius Caesar and Trump.
Julius was called to answer for crimes for the invasion of German lands.
It was either jail or death or fight.
I would argue Trump has more support than Julius.
That's what I've been saying man.
You've got this, they've ramped up the criminal probe into Trump in New York using, bringing in financial forensic analysts.
They're gonna...
I don't think Biden or the federal government will go after Trump because they got that like, oh, we want to arrest you.
You don't arrest us.
But there's a bunch of state level zealots who are like, we're going to arrest Trump and lock him up.
And Trump knows it.
They're not just going after him.
It's a Trump organization.
They're going to go after his business, his legacy and his family.
Does Trump just say.
unidentified
Well, it was a good run, and I'm gonna go to prison now and just leave the White House.
tim pool
Or does he go, No!
elijah schaffer
No!
tim pool
I'm not leaving!
You are not locking anybody up!
We won!
And stay.
elijah schaffer
Oh, Trump gets arrested for something that's not even provable.
That's a war, honestly.
It's an act of war, but I think- After he leaves office?
I think if they arrest him for something that they can't prove is worthy of it, like they find it for some niche, I think some people would react.
tim pool
The media has put out years of garbage about Russia.
They'll just say it's true.
elijah schaffer
Drug lords can get broken out of jail by their cartels.
I mean, loyalty is something you shouldn't doubt.
luke rudkowski
From your guys' experience covering recent protests, what do you think is going to happen in DC on the 6th?
elijah schaffer
Oh, well, it depends how many Trump supporters show up.
I mean, honestly speaking, if it's if it's like above 100,000 or 200,000, which I'm assuming it'll probably be, it's going to be way more than that.
Well, that's what I'm just saying.
Like just putting the estimates from the last one that they said, oh, there was a couple hundred thousand or so.
Hold on, hold on.
I mean, realistically speaking, it depends on to what extent, what groups and instigators.
I'm worried about false flags.
I think that there could be people that could be sent in to cause mayhem.
I mean, the fact that people keep saying and prepping, there's going to be violence.
tim pool
There's going to be violence.
Hold on.
If someone tried false flagging a Trump supporter, I don't think it would have the reaction you'd
think it would.
So typically we think of false flags like you fly the flag of your enemy to make them
look bad, to make them seem like the bad guys or whatever.
But I think if someone tried doing that to Trump supporters, it'd probably not have the intended consequences.
Like, it would not make Trump supporters go, oh no, Trump is bad, what have they done, we can't support this.
It's gonna make people be like...
Well, people have finally snapped.
I don't think you'll get the reaction people would expect.
elijah schaffer
But can't it make history change?
Just like Wikipedia, you know, comes in and calls everybody some alt-right person even if there's not the evidence based off of somebody else's misgivings and mischaracterizations.
tim pool
Wikipedia is an opinion aggregator now.
elijah schaffer
But I'm saying, isn't this their whole point?
To rewrite history so at the very end they can rewrite what the last gathering of Trump supporters to teach future generations that these were bad people?
tim pool
Maybe, but...
So, uh, look, I don't know what's gonna happen, but has Trump ever called for people to show up to one of his protests before?
elijah schaffer
I have not seen that in the years working in the political industry.
tim pool
What about the mother of all rallies?
Trump didn't endorse that or anything, did he?
elijah schaffer
Not the last couple of them.
drew hernandez
No.
tim pool
Did he ever?
drew hernandez
When was the last time a president called for a protest?
tim pool
On the vote count day.
elijah schaffer
He didn't call for a protest technically, right?
He called for us to meet at a certain point.
tim pool
So, like, that's a very... Well, he said there's going to be a protest.
Be there.
It'll be wild.
drew hernandez
Wild.
tim pool
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
He didn't call for the protest.
He said to meet somewhere where there is something going on.
tim pool
And he said there was already going to be a protest.
drew hernandez
Correct.
tim pool
So, like, he... But the point is, with last month, when there are estimates of $100K to $200K throughout D.C., Trump didn't say, be here in D.C.
He didn't call for supporters to arrive.
When it came to Trump's inauguration, and not that many people showed up relative to, say, Obama, it's because they didn't need to.
He won.
They're watching online at home.
Trump has now said several times, be there.
Trump supporters are going to show up.
elijah schaffer
Have you heard of the Next News Network?
tim pool
Yeah, of course.
elijah schaffer
OK, that's what I just want to bring up a point here is like the Next News Network is a YouTube show.
No, people haven't heard of it.
luke rudkowski
Gary French, I've known him for like 15 years.
elijah schaffer
But like that has like 2 million subscribers and it's been going up and then like Blaze we've always been from Blaze TV we've always been like a paywall content site.
We just started working on our YouTube it got like well over like 1.3 million in one year.
The point being is like these Trump people that are following the populist movement and what's going on like I mean look at your channels how much they've blown up.
My point being is protests aside only so many people can physically travel.
If you look at the rise of free thinking and independent channels that look out for the
populace, whether it's Left Libertarian or Gary Franchi or Blaze TV, more like center-right
people who love America, these channels are exploding in growth, which shows that not
only are we gaining power and access to information, but I think that this is just the beginning
of a new movement.
We saw it growing.
And I think now that we have the ... How can we get so many people there?
It's because the influence of so many free thinking people has gotten to the point where the information disseminates outside of the normal barriers of big tech and the establishment media.
I mean, I'm really excited for what this begins, right?
This is a good start to 2021 if you're a populist person.
tim pool
Right on.
on. Paul Luckett says the thing about soldiers just taking orders and never asking questions is total BS.
People like Jocko Willink, a former Navy SEAL, task unit commander, talk about that a lot. Go
listen to his stuff. The issue is I think people have a movie-esque view of what this means.
Like I said, what happens if some guy says, hey guys, we're going to need you to go and lock down
this bridge. There's a threat. We got a bunch of people coming in, so nobody should be going across,
you know, this one's going to be shut down, all right?
Sounds good.
No one's gonna defy that order, they're gonna be like, sounds good, we're gonna go stand guard and protect the bridge.
That's not obscene, that's not absurd, but what if that is a, you know, key junction point for some kind of political, you know, politician or whatever, and you're, the point is, In Turkey, there was a coup attempt, I'm doing air quotes, where a bunch of soldiers showed up to the bridge, standing around, and then a helicopter started firing at them.
It was a crazy moment.
And then Erdogan of Turkey said, oh, it's a coup attempt.
They're trying to, you know, to shut down the government and steal power from the people.
And then the regular people ran up and started beating the crap out of the soldiers who were there.
And what I was told at the time, and there's probably even further reporting on it, is the soldiers were just low-ranking dudes who were told, hey, go guard the bridge.
And they said, you got it.
They said, there might be a terror attack.
You got it.
And they showed up.
And then on the media, they said, it's a coup attempt.
And so then regular people went and just started dragging the soldiers to the street being beaten.
luke rudkowski
For that person, I have a two-word response.
Pat Killman.
tim pool
I know the story.
luke rudkowski
Pat Tillman was the friendly fire incident of Afghanistan.
NFL professional player that literally went and joined to fight the war on terror and the government covered up and lied what actually happened to him.
There's a lot of his family members that are calling out the foul practices that led up to his unfortunate death that happened because of friendly fire and not because of what the government's official story was.
tim pool
This is interesting.
Josh Bushnell says, How far apart are we to be to buy or sell?
Six feet apart.
Like this.
6-6-6.
Revelation 13, 18.
This calls for wisdom.
Let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast.
For it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.
Interesting.
We'll see.
Let's see.
Johan Oldman says, money in your bank account is just the sum total of all the transactions that have happened on your account.
The bank that was closed was probably found out for invalid accounting.
Perhaps.
I think the guy was losing his job and he was like, I don't care, whatever.
drew hernandez
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
What do we got here?
Some more super chats.
Joe MK2 says, communism originated from the occult.
China Unscripted did a great episode last week on it.
The devil is in the details.
Interesting.
Really?
I didn't know that.
luke rudkowski
I got to watch that video.
tim pool
Okay, here we go.
Ray Hummer says, wet wipes are actually very bad for any septic system, whether it be in city or rural.
I think he says rural.
It says rural.
Even if they are biodegradable, do not flush them.
Personally, it cost me $600 in my septic system.
Yes.
People don't, you city folk don't get it.
You know, you got a plumbing system, you live out in the country, you got a septic system.
Oh, you better stop people from flushing, you know, dirty garbage.
luke rudkowski
You got an RV, you got even more problems.
tim pool
Oh yeah, because then you're carrying it around.
That's the funny thing about getting an RV.
It's like all of that poop just sits right there in your possession until you find a way to get rid of it.
Bakes.
In your possession.
unidentified
Gross.
Thank you.
tim pool
Alright, let's see what we got.
Ben Schwenn says, PM me if you want to talk to someone that knows exactly how the online financial system works.
I'm a dev that spent four years building software for the biggest processor in the US.
It's way more complex than you think.
The Fed sees every exchange.
Interesting.
Grim Pickens says, speaking of movie propaganda, ever noticed that the Decepticons, aka the bad guys, were all military vehicles and a cop car?
Wayne Omen says, Marvel Civil War.
If you were pro-Captain America, you believe in freedom.
If you were Team Ironman, you are pro lockdown.
luke rudkowski
You liked you liked Ironman. I liked Captain America. I remember that distinctly.
No, I- We were marbles. You were like, I'm a captain.
tim pool
I never said that.
luke rudkowski
Well, it was like a couple years ago.
tim pool
You're wrong.
luke rudkowski
Are you sure?
unidentified
Yeah, you're wrong.
luke rudkowski
Iron Man's the best.
And I was like, nope, Captain America is, because he believes in freedom.
tim pool
There's no way the Milk Toast Spencer Tim Pool joined the team of Iron Man.
luke rudkowski
You liked Iron Man.
I remember distinctively you being on Team Iron Man.
tim pool
You're wrong.
That's just ridiculous.
luke rudkowski
I could be, I don't know.
tim pool
I was sitting there probably, you know, bloviating or philosophizing on, like, the merits of either argument, probably.
I didn't support when those movies came out.
I wasn't like, yeah, go Iron Man, corporatist, industrialist, telling everyone to bow to the government, woohoo, yeah!
Yeah, that's exactly what I'm all about, huh?
luke rudkowski
I just remember distinctively being like, okay, I'm Captain America, you're Iron Man.
tim pool
We were being very facetious.
So you just made it up.
luke rudkowski
No, but we had a conversation about this too, and I remember you making some arguments and points specifically arguing for Iron Man.
unidentified
You guys have been friends for too long.
tim pool
Right, yeah.
But I was saying there are pros and cons to authoritarianism.
luke rudkowski
And I was like, no, man, Captain America is way better and he's cooler and he's fighting for America, even though the actor's going out and saying a lot of crazy stuff.
tim pool
That's what it's really about.
I was like, actually, Robert Downey Jr.
is pretty cool, but Chris Evans kind of lost the plot.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And you were like, no way, man.
luke rudkowski
No, I don't know.
unidentified
And I was like, Luke, what happened to you, man?
tim pool
Alright, let's see.
Joe Harris says, You brought up music and the message in the song.
Have you listened to Tom MacDonald?
He's an independent artist, raps about really controversial topics, highly suggests people so stupid, and No Lives Matter, and White Boy.
Yes!
Tom MacDonald's amazing.
I listen to a ton of his stuff.
He's got great videos, too.
Really, really, really awesome stuff.
Yeah, for sure.
Brewmaster Monk says, I'm almost too stoned for this conversation.
Well, apparently not too stoned.
drew hernandez
Not stoned enough.
tim pool
Here we go.
Celtic Rees says, Revelation 12 verse 1 and 2 occurred September 23rd, 24th, 2017.
Please look into this.
You want to look that up?
Luke?
luke rudkowski
Say that again?
tim pool
Revelation 12 verse 1 and 2.
And then he says it happened in September of 2017.
Let's see what they say.
All right, let's see.
We just got a big YouTube jump of superchats.
Johnny Buns says, Tim, I'm looking at the U.S.
government.
Throw the dollar down the drain.
So I took my nest egg and invested in it.
By 2028, I'm going to make a great return on my Rosetta Stone stock.
That's right.
Mandarin.
Or you can... I don't know what the legality is for foreign exchange, but you can buy Chinese yuan, I guess.
Although I wouldn't really actually recommend any of that.
Redonk says, I'm a gorilla.
Love yourself.
luke rudkowski
The slogan is about the woman of the apocalypse.
I don't know if you want me to read it.
tim pool
What's the gist of it?
luke rudkowski
The text describes a woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.
tim pool
Did that happen?
Who was it?
luke rudkowski
It says the woman is pregnant and about to give birth, traveling in birth and pained to be delivered.
That's what came up.
tim pool
Someone said, Tim, Assange posted bail!
Is that true?
Is he out?
Is he free?
Well, I know the United States' government is challenging the decision this morning, but I don't know if he's... But they could still grant him bail and he can, for the first time in his life, walk around outside, I guess.
Or for the first time in the past decade.
luke rudkowski
I mean, Mexico is considering giving him asylum.
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah.
Eric Douglas says, great Trump impression, Tim.
I wasn't even trying to really do a Trump impression.
I was just giving you a light one.
Publia says, do you think Trump would invite a bunch of people to DC to watch him lose?
Also, Elijah, is Sydney looking for citizenship?
elijah schaffer
Sydney's a dual citizen.
She's a, she already, sorry, but she is single.
tim pool
Oh, a YouTuber.
elijah schaffer
Sydney Watson.
You should have her on.
She's American.
tim pool
I think I invited her on.
elijah schaffer
Wow.
She's just really good.
I have her on my show all the time and people always go, why do I even watch him?
She's better, which is true, but there you go.
unidentified
Way to sell it.
tim pool
Elijah Zepeda says, can you talk more about demonology and how do you think it relates to psychedelics?
elijah schaffer
Oh, I could do that.
tim pool
Yeah.
Give us a minute or two.
Give us a riff.
elijah schaffer
All right.
Well, demonology is something that's not really talked about a lot in the Bible.
There's not a lot, you know, specifically, you know, played on it.
But there is something interesting is that, you know, there's a word used that's for witchcraft that's called like pharmacia or pharmacology.
And it's not talking about, you know, for instance, there's a point in the New Testament where they talk about using alcohol or different things for sickness.
And it's being okay for believers.
It's not talking about, you know, people taking Advil or like just a normal pharmacy.
There was a combination between a lot of like witch doctors and witchcraft and actually psychedelics and connected to people who were like following the devil and darkness in the Bible.
And so it's kind of interesting that one of the one of the forbidden realms for Christians
was like to not engage in this pharmacology of this abuse of substances that translucent
your mind because it actually can put you under the influence of the enemy.
And I think the question I would ask myself that would not just with demonology, but to
argue the point of people who are pro psychedelic, something does switch in your brain.
And that's why even when we talk about the story of Adam and Eve and awakening to a new
reality, people always talk about there being an apple, even though the Bible never talks
about that.
And even if you don't believe in the Bible, you think it's an allegory.
Like there is something in our brains that can wake up and there is, there are substances
that can change our brain to think differently.
And I do think that it's interesting that a lot of people who do these substances either
see beings of light or beings of darkness.
And a lot of times people who describe demons who don't use psychedelics, describe the demons
or the angels the same way that people on psychedelics describe their interactions.
So there's that common sense, and there's my two-minute spiel.
tim pool
Right on.
Silently in Atlanta says big difference between science versus truth.
What if people couldn't bluntly share prophecy?
They'd use poetic language to warn you because what if someone powerful is listening?
Here's homework watch the star Twilight Zone science meets religion.
I will put it on literally once we finish this show I love the Twilight Zone.
That sounds like a lot of fun LKA Zawarudo says, God is the ultimate scientist.
Change my mind.
I think the angels and demons are in another dimension, but here among us on the other side of the veil.
But I also believe demons only have power if we give it.
Interesting.
elijah schaffer
I think someone thought we were talking about Sidney Powell.
Sidney?
I saw a comment.
Sidney Powell?
Sidney Watson?
I don't think anyone's trying to date Sidney Powell.
unidentified
We need Lin Wood up in here to talk about demonology, dude.
tim pool
Convincing Reality says, The clear reason drugs would cause similar hallucinations in people is because we all share the same human brains, instinct, and basic cultural norms.
Seeing any perceived unknown as good or bad is necessary, as we are wired to react in terms of survival.
The other important thing to realize is that, If a culture doesn't have a concept for a word, you literally can't translate it or describe it to someone.
There are instances, I'm sure if any of you have ever worked with someone who's bilingual, where they'll be talking about something and they'll say, there's a word and they'll say it and they'll be like, I don't really know how to describe it in English.
Let me try.
But it's not the same necessarily.
Like the call of the void, I think it is in French.
The feeling you get when you're standing atop a high location, you have the urge to jump down.
unidentified
Lots of words like that.
tim pool
There's words for like specific feelings. There's one word in like an African culture that describes the feeling you
have when you're in love with When when a man loves a woman, but she loves a different
man instead And so he's both jealous angry and you know depressed at
the same time and it's like one small word to explain that whole phenomenon
luke rudkowski
Yeah, like like kurva, which is a word that you can't say that. Yes, I can
unidentified
Yes, I can!
luke rudkowski
Yes, you can!
tim pool
This is YouTube!
luke rudkowski
It's English!
English YouTube!
So it's technically, you know... Yeah, that's fine, right?
It's family-friendly, or cool today.
That's another one of them.
And again, this is why I have a lot of brain farts, because I originally was speaking Polish, and it flips sometimes.
tim pool
It's weird.
Is there a non-offensive word in Polish that doesn't translate to English very well?
luke rudkowski
I gotta think of one.
elijah schaffer
Do you have a Polish name?
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
What is it?
unidentified
It's a secret.
luke rudkowski
It's a secret.
I can't tell you.
Don't dox me.
tim pool
If people found out Luke's real name.
luke rudkowski
Don't you shush.
Change of topic.
tim pool
If they found out his real name and Google searched it, they'd figure out where he used to work and what he's actually involved in.
luke rudkowski
Oh you shush.
elijah schaffer
Does anybody want his address?
Does anybody want his address?
tim pool
No, you can look up Luke Rydkowski and you'll find nothing.
You'll find all of it.
luke rudkowski
Isn't that cool?
elijah schaffer
You can change your name and then just change your identity and it's actually true.
You really can.
tim pool
Luke's real name, people would be like, no way.
luke rudkowski
Can we change the topic?
drew hernandez
It's going to trend now.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
People are going to try and figure it out.
They'll never find it.
luke rudkowski
Nope, they never will.
tim pool
They won't.
DK says, consider taking some psychedelics, Tim.
It really open up your mind and expand your perspective on everything.
You do mental gymnastics to explain the unexplainable.
There's more to life than what we see.
Perhaps, or maybe, Luke can talk about that and I can have the control room.
luke rudkowski
There's gonna be so many conspiracies about me now just because of what you said before.
There's already a bunch of crazy ones.
elijah schaffer
Luke changed his name and he has some special knowledge about psychedelics.
Unlocking something.
unidentified
He may even have some in his pocket, right?
luke rudkowski
Well, when it comes to psychedelics, I urge people to please do your own research.
It's not for everyone.
It really has to be something that you truly feel very strongly about.
And it's a personal decision that you should make for yourself and not be influenced by anyone else.
tim pool
Clearly, we're talking about only in the states that have decriminalized.
unidentified
Of course.
tim pool
Because I think Colorado did recently, right?
elijah schaffer
I think it's, psilocybin is decriminalized in California as well.
I'm pretty sure for like medical uses.
luke rudkowski
I think Oregon too.
And I think there's even been some developments in Mexico.
tim pool
So make sure you are following all applicable laws.
Avoid where prohibited.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, just check out the scientific studies, especially when it comes to these instances.
tim pool
The grand story says the Revelations thing is related to a star sign.
It matched an exact and one-time cosmic event involving stars, planets, and moon in 2017.
That's what that person was talking about.
Interesting.
unidentified
I found it.
tim pool
Abel Garcia says, Tim, I have a question for Elijah.
Elijah, I know you're probably busy at the moment, especially with the 6th coming up, but when could we have a second interview?
This is Abel Garcia from episode 38.
Do you know Abel Garcia is somebody who went through a full transition in surgery and then decided that they felt like they were brainwashed and pressed into getting the full surgery and like made to accept their gender difference and they wanted to Reverse it all and then end up getting rejected by the trans community and the gay community in California, and it's like such a it was such a it's like Sorry, that's a whole nother conversation, but that's like absolutely mind-boggling I think think that Abel has my phone number you can text me So kale exile says on the demon stuff check out a book called spirit of the rainforest about an Indian tribe in the Amazon interesting
Let's see, Jay Mill says future guests, David Barton, amazing historian, Viva Frey and Robert Barnes, incredible legal discussions.
The problem with Viva Frey and Barnes is that Frey is in Canada, I believe?
unidentified
Yes.
elijah schaffer
What is that?
tim pool
Stink bug!
elijah schaffer
It's the devil!
tim pool
He's attacking us!
elijah schaffer
It's the Antichrist!
tim pool
He landed on me.
unidentified
Just a stink bug.
tim pool
I like stink bugs though, they're really clumsy and dumb.
elijah schaffer
Is this what CIA wants you to think?
tim pool
They're actually little cameras flying around the house.
drew hernandez
It's a drone.
They use dolphins to minimize Chinese drones.
elijah schaffer
They're the bourgeoisie.
tim pool
Alright, let's see.
John 117 says, if you want something epic to look forward to, at the end of time, Satan will assume the form of a seven-headed red dragon and be slain by Jesus.
Is that true?
unidentified
Lots of symbology there.
tim pool
Is that true?
drew hernandez
It's symbolic in Revelation.
tim pool
Is it?
But what if it's literal?
Like, what if literally, you know, I'm not going to name anybody, but some, like, elite, you know, wealthy industrialist just goes like, rawr, and his head splits into seven.
And then, like, literally a dude stereotypically looking like Jesus pulls out a sword.
elijah schaffer
I'd be more likely to believe that's happening than lockdowns are working, you know?
It's a little more believable.
tim pool
I mean, well, you get a top World Health Organization scientist saying we should avoid this.
We can avoid this.
You have to wonder why they're still doing it against the science.
Like, it doesn't make sense.
elijah schaffer
To build us back better, Tim.
You know that.
tim pool
Yep.
Just like they're doing in Europe.
TomUpGucciSlipper says, Elijah, Pharmakia can also be applied to vaccines.
The original and still used vaccine formula was from a fetus.
Blood magic is strictly prohibited.
unidentified
Wow.
Interesting.
tim pool
Creepy.
Brewmaster Monk says Luke is a Rothschild.
unidentified
Oh, is that true?
luke rudkowski
How dare you?
You could say anything about my hairline, my nose, my physical looks, but that hurt me.
I'm offended and triggered very much.
elijah schaffer
That's such an interesting, like, modern insult.
luke rudkowski
Yes!
elijah schaffer
That's a harsh one.
luke rudkowski
That's a bad one.
tim pool
Here, this is interesting.
Chris says, the staff and serpent, first aid, is the staff of Asclepius.
His father was Apollo and his mother was Koronis.
The story was written by Ovid.
Interesting.
luke rudkowski
Koronis.
tim pool
I watched some really trippy, like, YouTube video years ago about, like, the snakes spiraling, and they were like, doesn't it look like DNA?
Like a double helix?
How did they know?
drew hernandez
Speaking of mythology, did you guys see Wonder Woman 1984?
Yes.
It was absolutely terrible.
elijah schaffer
Unfortunately.
tim pool
You know what I say?
No, well look, it was a movie.
Like, you sit down and the movie's playing and you're just like, kind of not really paying attention.
It's just happening.
elijah schaffer
Beautiful main character.
tim pool
I mean, Gal Gadot's great.
drew hernandez
A wishing rock?
Come on, dude.
A human wishing rock is the main plot?
elijah schaffer
He was a good actor.
He was the only good actor.
drew hernandez
No, I love Pedro Pascal.
tim pool
Yeah, he's great.
But this was clearly, they wanted to make Trump the villain, and they needed to figure out how to do it.
And he has that famous line in the movie.
Well, I say famous, but like, he goes, I am a TV personality and respected businessman.
And then the guy goes, you're a fraud and a con man.
I am not!
unidentified
I am not a con man!
tim pool
It was like, okay, I get it.
elijah schaffer
You should have been an actor.
tim pool
I was like, I get it.
You guys, they said they wanted the villain to be Donald Trump.
unidentified
Okay.
We get it.
elijah schaffer
We get it.
tim pool
He was on the TV.
Life is good, but it can be better.
elijah schaffer
Kay McKinnon also poor casting.
Like she's really... No, that was Kristen Wiig.
Kristen Wiig.
Sorry.
They all, they're the same to me, but Kristen Wiig, that girl, she's like goofy.
And she, her whole first part made sense.
It was like, Oh, she's that goofy girl.
And then all of a sudden we're supposed to take her as like some like serious, like, I'm not going to ruin it for anyone, but some like serious character.
I don't know.
Typecasting didn't work.
tim pool
No, I'll tell you what happened.
You know what happened with that movie?
They were like, we have, you know, 20 different story points.
How do we connect them?
And I don't know.
And so like, eh, we'll just, we'll just film it and then we'll just make something up.
drew hernandez
Was it Justice League?
Or Batman vs. Superman, where Wonder Woman literally tells Bruce Wayne, like, oh, I went into hiding for, like, a hundred years after the events of the first Wonder Woman movie, and then all of a sudden she's back in 1984, like, running around in her costume, like people can see her.
tim pool
Spoiler alert for those who haven't seen it.
I don't know if you care.
unidentified
Don't bother.
tim pool
There's a scene in the trailer where she lassos lightning and swings from lightning.
elijah schaffer
Yes!
tim pool
What?
But she could also fly.
So it's like, why did that happen?
Literally for no reason, just randomly for no reason at all, there's a scene where she's in the air and then she whips lightning and you're like, okay.
elijah schaffer
Was I confused, but where did that gold costume come from?
tim pool
I don't know, it just magically appears.
elijah schaffer
It's like, oh fine, I just got gold!
And you're like, from the sky?
drew hernandez
She had it stored away in her apartment.
tim pool
Well, this is a little known fact about Wonder Woman.
She has the ability to have gold spikes emerge from her bones and rip through her flesh, kind of like Wolverine, but all over her body.
There was a deleted scene where a very grotesque gold is bursting from her face.
It's like Cronenberg.
Have you ever seen The Fly or those old movies from the 80s?
I'm kidding.
It's like in the movie, she's just like...
Floating through the air and then also the next scene is she's wearing armor.
It's like, okay, like I have no idea.
elijah schaffer
I think I bet you there was a plot issue and that was part of those movies.
It was such a train wreck.
They just started like cutting pieces of the film together and we're like, all right, you get this.
It's like the pandemic.
Thank us.
tim pool
And they couldn't explain why Cheetah was a cheetah.
It's just like, all of a sudden, she's an animal.
elijah schaffer
On the graphics, they lost the budget, like, three-fourths of the movie, and they were like, all right, we gotta use the budget, the budget production house for this one, and it was, like, not even believable.
I know it was, like, a cheat, that shouldn't be believable, but it was really bad.
tim pool
It's too bad, too, because I think it's, like, really easy to have fixed what was wrong with that movie if you just, like, adjust certain things in certain places.
But it's true for so many movies that come out.
You know, I think they got ruined.
I think COVID destroyed the movie.
Like, they, earlier the year, it was supposed to come out in June or whatever, and I think they probably were restricted on doing a bunch of things.
elijah schaffer
They had to do a bunch of reshoots in 2019.
Whenever you see a movie have to do reshoots, you know there's a problem from the very beginning.
tim pool
Yeah, they watched it and they were like, wait, how did that happen?
I don't know, it's like, we just filmed it.
Okay, who wrote the script?
elijah schaffer
The sound was perfect and the color correction was on point.
And you're like, well, there's no story.
drew hernandez
Her movements throughout the air, she's very robotic.
Am I watching Wonder Woman that was made 30 years ago?
tim pool
Wonder Woman 1984 has nothing to do with anything DC and people were saying they've stopped doing the whole universe thing.
Because if you watch Wonder Woman 1984, you're like, Justice League makes no sense.
At all.
drew hernandez
Literally no sense.
tim pool
It's sad, too.
I was so excited for that movie.
The trailer was awesome.
And then the movie was just not.
drew hernandez
I was happy that Chris Pine was coming back, and his character just literally meant nothing.
tim pool
The problem with this movie, so spoiler alerts again.
Okay, now that I've warned you about the spoilers, you've got this wishing stone, and when you wish for something, you get what you wish for, but it takes your most prized possession.
And so that's just like the stupidest thing ever, because if you could wish for whatever you wanted, you'd value it more than your most prized possession.
Like the plot was just dumb.
elijah schaffer
I know.
How about this?
Talk about like this forced diversity issue.
Why did the guy had anyone explain how he just had like a total, like full on Chinese kid or Asian kid.
And that was not a mixed race kid.
It was like full on, like some other ethnicity.
I'm not sure.
I'm not, I might sound racist saying it was Chinese, but I was like, he's like a white guy, blonde hair.
I was like, Hey son.
And it was like some kid from like, what's that horror movie with the little Asian kid.
And it was like, he was just like standing there and I was like, it wasn't Chinese.
tim pool
I would, I would say maybe.
elijah schaffer
There was no resemblance.
tim pool
Maybe Vietnamese?
drew hernandez
Or Filipino, one or the other.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe Filipino, but even then I was going... I don't think Filipino.
elijah schaffer
They were just like, we need an Asian in the movie.
We need an Asian in the movie.
unidentified
We'll make this crying kid that doesn't speak.
tim pool
It's a weird thing, actually.
You notice it, right?
Pedro Pascal is... He's what?
He's Hispanic?
I don't know where he's from.
elijah schaffer
He's white Hispanic, probably, is what you would call him.
tim pool
And so he's got a kid, and I'm like... I guess my immediate assumption was he adopted a kid.
You know?
elijah schaffer
I was thinking that he found the kid.
I was confused.
I thought it was going to be like those comedies where it's like, wait a second, you're not my son.
What are you doing in here?
tim pool
But the kid had nothing to do with anything.
It made no sense.
It was no point.
elijah schaffer
No, that's what I'm saying.
They were like, oh, we got to get an Asian.
And they just put him in the film so that there was diversity and it didn't make sense.
tim pool
And it was weird how it would randomly show the kid just his face crying.
And I'm like, what does it have to do with anything?
He just joined the kid again and he's crying again.
Like, what is this?
luke rudkowski
So much lazy subliminal propaganda in there.
I was like, this is just...
tim pool
Donald Trump was the villain though.
He's got like wavy blonde hair and he's like, I am a television personality and a respected businessman.
You're a fraud and a conman.
I am not a conman!
drew hernandez
I don't know, but the part, just the end where like Pedro Pascal is like using like invisible wind to like keep Wonder Woman awake.
Like this is the same person that could like take a headbutt from freaking Superman.
tim pool
Made no sense.
drew hernandez
And like wind.
tim pool
No, but I love how it's like the premise is that he has to, if people are touching him and make a wish, then he can grant the wish, but take something from them.
And so he's like, the radio waves are touching people.
They're like, yes, the radios are touching people.
That means I can use what?
It makes no sense.
elijah schaffer
And the best part.
And then she was like, I am not talking to myself.
I'm talking.
And then it's like there's like some like lasso touching some guy's leg and he's in some super saiyan mode and then here's the best part like what was this about how like everyone just saw some person say something on tv and they're like oh my gosh there's an above average woman telling me to do something Hey, all right make sense by mass compliance I'm gonna do it right now and like everybody did and the best part about this is spoiler is like did you notice when like?
Things were reversing in the world and things were happening that like people's houses that got destroyed didn't like get fixed like Everyone's houses was still in rubble so they're like oh cool and everyone just forgets the whole world was about to blow up and then like Everyone's it's snowing and then like people are happy again.
You're going.
tim pool
Oh, this is definitely shot before kovat That's all I was thinking I was like It's this, you know, I'm sorry man, but if the plot of a movie is there's a rock that can grant literally any wish you want, in exchange for your most prized possession, why would the dude wish to be the rock?
Spoiler alert, he goes, I wish I was you, and then it collapses and then he gains the powers to grant wishes.
It's like, why wouldn't you just wish to like, you know, like, have...
Magic powers, I guess.
I don't know.
You could literally turn into a giant cheetah monster or cause the whole planet to explode.
And if you couldn't wish for literally anything, you'd be like, I wish I had all the powers of the Dreamstone, but for myself.
elijah schaffer
Yeah.
tim pool
He's just like, no, I want to grant wishes for other people.
It's like, that's why.
elijah schaffer
And they never really explained anything, like where this came from.
Now, by the way, this is a confession.
I don't watch any Marvel movies.
This is the first Marvel movie I've seen in DC.
Okay, there you go.
People are going to hate me.
I don't watch superhero movies in general.
After the pandemic, I've watched even less movies.
So this is my first reintroduction back into the superhero movies.
Everyone keeps telling me they're so good.
You've got to watch them.
They're amazing.
I was like, all right, fine, fine, fine.
I'll go see 1984.
Have I been making the right decision or am I just getting tricked here?
tim pool
Wonder Woman, the first one was good.
drew hernandez
It was really good.
tim pool
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
Should I go watch the first one?
tim pool
Yeah, it's great.
It's a World War I movie, and it's pretty cool.
Like the scene where they're firing the rifles at her, and she's got her shield, and it's like, she's getting hit.
I was like, that's cool.
But this one was just like... What?
I thought you said, like, every so often you're like, a scene changes, and then the story's just different, and you're like, huh?
elijah schaffer
They were like, release this movie now!
They were waiting until the world was falling apart.
They were like, people will just watch this because it's something.
tim pool
I think there were problems with it they couldn't fix because of COVID.
elijah schaffer
We'll probably have to reshoot some serious scenes for that movie.
tim pool
Well, they needed to connect things.
They needed simple explanations to connect things like Wonder Woman just magically having armor.
It's like she's standing there and she's like, whips lightning.
And then the next scene is she's flying with golden wings and you're like, What?
What's going on?
And then like, and then Kristen Wiig turns into a cheetah and you're like, but why?
Why is she an animal now?
Like it made no sense.
It like the movie defies those plot holes, man.
elijah schaffer
Yeah, I'm a feline.
Are you become what you hate the most?
tim pool
Like she hated cats or something?
No, she wished to be like Diana.
And so then she basically gains God powers.
elijah schaffer
But you mean the cat I was figuring because she doesn't like cats?
tim pool
No, no, she says, I wish I was like Diana.
So then she gains Wonder Woman's powers.
But then later on, he asks her again and she goes, I want to be a predator.
So, you know, you don't get two wishes.
They made that clear in the movie.
You don't get two wishes.
And then she turns into an animal like... Did she end up dying or not?
elijah schaffer
I couldn't figure that out.
tim pool
No, she renounced her wish and turned back.
elijah schaffer
So she just got like massively electrocuted.
She's like that.
By the way, I don't encourage you to throw your cat into an electrocution, you know, chamber of water.
Oh, oops.
tim pool
That's what happens.
But like, it's just, I'm sorry, man.
If the premise of the movie is you can, you can wish for literally anything you want.
And they're like, I wish I was powerful, but not quite powerful enough to defeat Wonder Woman.
Why would you make that wish?
Why would you be like, I wish I was completely undefeatable and ultimately, you know, had ultimate strength and power.
elijah schaffer
I wish I was bad CGI.
Wish granted.
drew hernandez
Speaking of Hollywood, have you heard about the Civil War and Lucasfilms?
elijah schaffer
No.
drew hernandez
So Lucasfilms, I'm not going to give a spoiler here, but... Oh, are you talking about the Mandalorian scene?
They brought back a particular white superhero and all the SJWs and Lucasfilms are absolutely pissed.
tim pool
Well, just, like, if you haven't been following The Mandalorian, I mean, this was, like, two episodes ago.
Or, I mean, the episodes are out, so they should have seen it by now.
drew hernandez
So they brought Luke Skywalker back.
tim pool
Yep.
drew hernandez
That's the finale, right?
tim pool
And there was just outrage.
drew hernandez
And the SJWs and Lucasfilms are just not happy.
I mean, that guy Star Wars Theory on YouTube, one of the Lucasfilms, not an executive, but I think one of the, like, one of the creators that was involved with The Last Jedi, because Star Wars Theory, for those that know his channel, he's huge, right?
tim pool
uh he gave his reaction on the episode and he was crying because a lot of people were like this is this is a big moment for star wars fans especially after the last jedi and one of the lucas films creators criticized him on twitter saying oh you're not supposed to show your emotions or uh emotions are not to be shown and then he completely like backtracked and lucas films even issued an apology and the guy gave like this freaking not even a full apology it's like this whole drama so what i saw was that Uh, for those that aren't familiar, spoiler alert, oh well, we already told you.
Luke Skywalker is in The Mandalorian, and apparently they're mad that he's a white male hero who returned, and they don't like that, but isn't the Mandalorian a, you know, white male?
drew hernandez
Pedro Pascal.
Yeah, I guess that's him.
elijah schaffer
The same guy?
tim pool
Yeah, Pedro Pascal.
elijah schaffer
I got bored from The Mandalorian, like, after four episodes.
It was the same plot every episode.
And it gave me some reminiscence, and I'm finally coming to the conclusion, just like my conclusion about how, you know, the police aren't always good.
Like, Star Wars is definitely a super cool series when you get into it as a kid, and you don't understand plot.
But as you get older, you realize that it's exact example of Hollywood taking something that could be perfect and just Causing more problems than is needed like the plot holes the storyline sometimes the cheap CGI It's like you almost feel like this movie could have been the best series in the history of the world and it's always cool to watch but it's like what if the people who made Lord of the Rings like Peter Jackson made Star Wars like as a producer with Lucas or something then maybe we could have gotten something with a lot more depth of character like movies that made sense
tim pool
Star Wars was revolutionary.
The first movie, because this was the 70s and people hadn't seen space battles before.
It was like revolutions in CGI, like a lightsaber, how they were doing this stuff had never been done.
So you're young, and you go to the movies and you're literally watching spaceships and you're like, wow, man.
So, people don't realize, I think the movies were like years apart, like three years, like from Star Wars to Empire Strikes Back and then to like Return of the Jedi.
These were huge movies for the time that were revolutions in movie technology.
And that was it.
And then that spawned Merchandise, which made a ton of money, and it made a bunch of the Extended Universe books and stuff that explored the universe of Star Wars, which fans loved.
And I don't know a whole lot about it, but I did play Knights of the Old Republic, which was a lot of fun.
I loved that game.
That was years ago when I played that.
Awesome game, by the way.
So then, it's just, how do we make more money?
Prequels!
The prequels were... okay, I like them.
They're super corny.
elijah schaffer
Episode 3 was pretty cool, I thought.
tim pool
But wait, I just rewatched it and I was like, wow, this is the worst directing I have ever seen.
Like, it was just like bad soap opera drama, just like...
elijah schaffer
Annie.
tim pool
Yeah, just like everything's overly dramatic and absurd and I was like, you know, what I don't, what I never really
liked about Revenge of the Sith is how like Anakin Skywalker just, they make him just break randomly.
There's no progression in his character to him becoming evil.
Like there's a little bit stuff like in the previous movie, he kills the women and the children or whatever.
And then you have in Return of the Sith, I just watched it again because that line about when Obi-Wan says, my allegiance is to the Republic, to democracy.
I was actually planning on, you know, doing that as a bit in one of my segments where I was talking about police.
I was going to be like, you have these cops who believe they're bringing, you know, peace, justice and security to their new empire.
But their allegiance is supposed to be to the Republic, to democracy.
And so I was like, I want to watch this movie again.
And boy, is it just not.
It's like the dialogue is bad.
I like it.
It's fun.
It's fun watching Obi-Wan fight, you know, Anakin and all that stuff.
And, you know, whatever.
But I think even with the Mandalorian right now.
Star Wars was like, hey, we found something popular, can we turn it into something more than that?
And they're milking it for as much as they can.
The sequel movies were just the worst garbage ever.
You know, uh, um... The Force Awakens was okay, but it was basically a shot-for-shot remake of A New Hope.
And then The Last Jedi was one of the worst movies I've ever seen in my life.
I wanted to leave the theater, but I was like, I can't, it's Star Wars, you know, I need to, like, I need to watch it, but man, was that bad!
elijah schaffer
I fell asleep in Episode VIII and stopped Star Wars there.
tim pool
Dude, that was just so awful.
They're like, the Emperor has returned!
the last no no what's the rise of skywriter that was just so awful they're
like the Emperor has returned like jump yeah right and I loved how they had to
bring Carrie Fisher back and so she gives these one-word non-answers because
they can't because she died you know you know with respect rest in peace
But like, they tried keeping her in the movie, and it was clear they had some old footage from the previous movie.
They were trying to somehow turn into her giving statements, but then she just doesn't say anything and, you know, froze her brow and then walks away.
elijah schaffer
Dude, if the creators of Star Wars were forced to create a porno, they would make it Star Jabba the Hutt.
That's how bad they are, in my opinion.
It's like, really?
Every time I watch those movies, it's about to get into it.
I'm like, that's really what you've done here?
Remember when Mace Windu gets just randomly thrown out of the window in Episode 3?
I'm going, really?
Okay.
unidentified
Whatever.
tim pool
Really what you know, it really annoys me. We just watched that movie Greenland. You have you guys heard of that one
with Gerard Butler?
No, I watched that that was one of the worst. Yeah, right I've seen recently it's idiot plot like a movie that's a
movies plot driven by the fact that the main characters are really dumb
I'm like, why would I watch that?
I want to watch a movie that's driven by someone who's overcoming adversity or who's facing a challenge outside of
their control and they're trying That's just me.
That's just me.
Maybe people like watching dumb people fumble around and fall on their face.
elijah schaffer
Do you need insulin?
unidentified
Not a fan.
elijah schaffer
Do you need insulin?
Tim, that was like the plot of the story.
It was like, a kid needs insulin when the world's ending and you're going, uh, what?
Okay.
tim pool
But then like they just show up and then they're let in like, Come on in!
You didn't need to do anything anyway.
It just makes no sense.
elijah schaffer
The creators of Wonder Woman 1984 would be like, I have an idea for a new movie starting by Gerard Butler.
We have half the time and half the budget to produce it.
Let's greenlight it.
drew hernandez
You know what we need?
We need a wishing rock.
unidentified
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
We need a wishing rock to make it bigger so it's a meteor and it comes down to earth.
A wishing meteor!
tim pool
Yeah, man.
It's, you know, so with that movie particularly, you have all these movies that are predicated upon someone being dumb, and then you're just watching someone be dumb and then deal with the mistakes of being dumb.
Like, why would I want to watch that as a form of entertainment?
Like, why couldn't they have made that movie, you know, so the whole plot... Well, I don't want to spoil it.
That movie just came out, didn't it?
drew hernandez
Greenland?
tim pool
Yeah.
elijah schaffer
I just watched it.
I'm not gonna spoil it either.
It just came out.
tim pool
Give someone a motivation that's outside of their control that they have to overcome.
Instead, you get these movies, like the latest Star Wars.
It's just meaningless.
Makes no sense.
And all they're really doing, and the same was true for Pirates of the Caribbean.
They're like, look everybody, it's that character you like.
Here they are, dancing in front of the camera.
And I'm like, okay.
drew hernandez
Just to sell that merch.
tim pool
Movies are done, man.
drew hernandez
With The Last Jedi, I really felt like Like, it made sense because, like, Luke is, like, in a slump, and he has to kind of find his way back.
And I get it, because Luke was like that from the very beginning in A New Hope.
He was this bratty teenage kid that didn't believe in anything of the Force, and then Yoda tries to train him, and he's, like, still this bratty kid that can't get anything done.
He just doesn't believe.
So, it kind of made sense that Luke was kind of in that slump again in The Last Jedi, but it shouldn't have been the whole movie.
tim pool
What I really liked about the original Star Wars is that it's basically about this kid who lives on a desert planet who gets radicalized by religious zealots to take a cargo ship and go blow up a military base.
That's Star Wars!
unidentified
Boom.
tim pool
It is.
Yeah.
Anyway, we've gone over quite a bit, so how about you smash that like button.
Thanks for hanging out.
Tomorrow is the start of the protests.
The 6th is the big day.
So far we're playing on being there, but we're going to have some crew go down and test everything, see if we can get set up, and then do the show there.
It'll be a lot of fun.
But guys, thanks for hanging out.
Do you want to mention your YouTube channels or anything?
elijah schaffer
All right, so you can check out my podcast called Slightly Offensive.
You can find it on Apple Podcasts, Google Play, YouTube for free.
It's really awesome.
It comes out every Monday, Wednesday, Friday at 2 p.m.
Central and clips the following day.
drew hernandez
You guys can follow me on Twitter, Drew H. Live, and my podcast is at the Tatum Report YouTube channel, Drew H. Live, and you guys can find it there.
Make sure to subscribe.
tim pool
Right on.
Luke, I hear that you have a channel.
luke rudkowski
Yes, and I have a store company that supports my voluntary efforts here.
And the shirt that I'm wearing today says, FYI, the government is way deadlier than any virus.
Just my opinion.
If you like it, you can get it on teesprings.com forward slash stores forward slash WeAreChange.
And you could find me on Twitter and Instagram under the handle Luke WeAreChange.
Luke WeAreChange.
unidentified
Thanks.
tim pool
And of course, you can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, at TimCast.
You can check out my other channels, YouTube.com slash TimCast and YouTube.com slash TimCastNews.
But more importantly, if you're listening on iTunes or Spotify, whatever, give us a good review.
It really does help.
And if you're not, make sure you check us out on all podcast platforms.
If you find us on iTunes or whatever, leave us a good review because it helps, you know, just in general.
So greatly appreciated.
We do the show Monday through Friday live at 8 p.m.
And of course, we'll be back and we're going to see what we can get done.
But of course, don't forget to follow at Sour Patch Lids, who's over there pressing all the buttons.
unidentified
You can follow me at Sour Patch Lids.
elijah schaffer
Someone said, no lids, no peace on the chat earlier.
That's a movement I get behind.
drew hernandez
I like the sound of that.
You need like the kids cheering sound anytime your name's mentioned.
tim pool
I have no idea what's going to happen tomorrow, but people are arriving right now as per the news that Enrique got arrested, so should be interesting nonetheless.
elijah schaffer
Just a little shout out.
I was going to say, if you don't want to know what's going on tomorrow, honestly, there's a lot of journalists that are out there, including myself on Twitter, at Elijah Schaefer Drew.
Honestly, if you go to our pages, I'll be tagging a bunch of people that you can follow during the event.
There's about 12 to 15 really reputable journalists from like center left to center right.
So make sure you get on Twitter, check out Tim's.
Tim will be reposting a lot of the stuff, I'm sure, too, of what's happening.
But please, like, be on Twitter so you can help keep the narrative straight.
I know that's, like, a weird thing to, like, interrupt, but just... The news is gonna be lying, and so please try to keep people updated.
tim pool
We're gonna try to have a stream from our hotel, which, you know, we'll be able to get clips from people on the ground.
If the internet isn't working all that well, we'll be working with local journalists.
We'll bring people up to talk about what's going on, and then... Nice.
Yeah, so that's the idea.
So, like... Let's do it.
elijah schaffer
That's new, that's like revolutionary, honestly.
tim pool
I'm so excited.
Doing the podcast, you know, during the event, and then people can come up to the hotel room and sit down and hang out and we can talk and we'll be live.
The issue is that, you know, often we have big crowds, it's really hard to get a live stream up, a good one.
And so, sure, you have like the live view packs, the bonding agent, the cell bonding systems and stuff.
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