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Dec. 23, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Conservative Protesters BEAR MACE COPS, COVID Bill Has People PISSED w/ Sean Parnell
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tim pool
A couple days ago, there were a bunch of conservatives, Trump supporters, typically a right wing group
of protesters in Oregon.
The governor had convened a meeting, I believe it was the governor, but it was at the State Capitol building.
And this right-wing group came out because they have a legal right to attend a public hearing.
We do.
We are a government for, of, and by the people, so if there's going to be a public hearing, you walk in the building and you listen to what they're saying.
Most people don't know this, too.
You can go to D.C.
You can go into the Capitol, like the Congress building, the Senate buildings.
You can walk around and walk into a congressperson's office.
You just open the door and walk right in.
Well, these Trump supporters, these conservatives, they show up, and what ends up happening?
There's a row of police telling them they can't actually come in.
At some point, I guess chaos ensued, and the most interesting thing about all of it was that the Trump supporting group, someone in this group, bear-maced the cops.
Now that's something you don't even really see all that often from Antifa.
And so this story is from a couple days ago, and I just find it absolutely fascinating with everything that's going on, and more importantly, That we have this coronavirus spending bill, $900 billion.
The total omnibus spending bill was like $2.3 billion, which included this.
And it's famously providing $10 million to Pakistan for gender programs.
That's exactly what the American people have been begging for, with where their tax dollars would go in an unprecedented crisis, where their businesses have been completely and totally destroyed.
And that's why I'm bringing these two stories together and bringing up this protest from the past few days.
To see right-wing groups attack police in any capacity tells you that the wick or that the line of powder leading to that powder keg has been lit and conservatives aren't going to be taking all that much longer.
Seeing Trump supporters start criticizing police and mock them instead of defend them when they when you hear defund the police Well, that's interesting.
The establishment needed at least that level of support from Trump supporters.
So we're going to talk about all this.
We'll talk about a lot of stuff going on with the COVID hypocrisy.
Dr. Birx retiring because she's violating her own lockdowns.
It is hypocrisy all the way down.
We have an awesome guest.
Sean Parnell is hanging out.
You want to explain?
Some people are listening, so they can't hear, they can't see you.
sean parnell
Oh, I thought there was like a camera and stuff, and people were looking.
Well, I'm here.
I'm excited to be here.
You know I'm excited to be here.
tim pool
Definitely, definitely.
sean parnell
I've been watching your journey, you know, and watching your show.
tim pool
With Verizon, trying to get the internet hooked up?
sean parnell
Yeah, that's been a saga in and of itself, right?
tim pool
It's been impossible.
sean parnell
Yeah, we live in very, very strange times.
The attacks in Oregon were something that we haven't seen before.
Tim, we were talking a little bit before the show.
I feel bad for the police because I feel like they've been put in an impossible situation.
You know, the police in Pennsylvania, though, one of the things that that I've been advocating for for for quite some time now, and I say it over and over when I'm out, is that government derives its power from the consent of the governed.
And what I've been saying both publicly and on social media for some time now is that we simply need to disobey these unconstitutional lockdowns.
In other words, keep your small business open.
Nonviolent civil disobedience keep your restaurant open and if you're a police officer that finds yourself in a tough
position And boy anytime they put a gun on their hip and they wear a
bad day wear that badge on their chest anytime they leave Their family they put themselves out there for us every day
and they deserve our gratitude for that But if you're if you're a cop and you're putting in a tough
position to shut down a small business or close a restaurant
Simply don't obey an unconstitutional order.
Indeed, when you're in the military, you know, people think that soldiers just obey every command that's given down to them.
No, you we have a duty and obligation to disobey orders that are not moral, right?
Or that violate the Constitution.
And so what I've been calling for in Pennsylvania is civil disobedience from small businesses and restaurants and the police, you know, state troopers, sheriffs, local municipal cops.
Just simply disobey unconstitutional orders and all of this ends tomorrow.
Just done.
But Tim, this does not mean that we're not going to take COVID seriously.
This does not mean that we're not going to follow CDC guidelines.
This does not mean that we're not going to protect the vulnerable.
No, no.
What I'm talking about is entirely separate.
I believe that we should trust people We should put faith and trust in people to assess what level of risk is tolerable for them, right?
tim pool
And respect their individual rights.
sean parnell
Absolutely.
tim pool
We are not a country of kings or of a king.
This is a country founded upon the idea that the individual would choose what's best and their rights must be respected.
Absolutely.
For those that don't know who Sean is, how would you describe yourself?
You're a politician.
sean parnell
Don't say that about me!
Every time someone calls me a politician, I throw up in my mouth a little bit.
tim pool
But you ran for office, so you're a politician.
sean parnell
I did.
I ran for office, even though it wasn't my idea.
President Trump called me out randomly at a speech in Western Pennsylvania to run.
Before that, I was doing charity work.
I was a small part of a charity that gives service dogs to veterans who come home from war.
Poured myself into that.
Did 35 to 50 public events a year all over the country giving away dogs.
It's kind of an amazing thing to behold because Dogs really do provide tangible healing value to people who have suffered greatly from PTSD, whether it's in the military or in other places.
tim pool
Remember that guy you were talking about?
He was a journalist and he went to a range and he fired the AR-15 and then claimed he got PTSD.
Maybe we should get him like a pug or a Yorkshire Terrier or something.
Some little small lap dog, a Pomeranian, make him feel better.
sean parnell
Yeah, we're gonna put him on the list.
We have to put him on the list.
tim pool
Get him a dog.
sean parnell
And so, but I also, I also write, uh, I write books, I write stories.
And before I, before I, um, uh, jumped into politics and, uh, this, this crazy war that we're in, political war that we're in.
I was in Hollywood trying to sell screenplays and stories for, for books.
I mean, and so, uh, I was medically retired.
tim pool
Yeah, I know.
I know.
You know, there are good.
sean parnell
There are good people in Hollywood, there are.
There are good producers, there are good writers that sort of believe the same things that we do.
And before any of that, before I was an infantryman in the army, went to ranger school, went to airborne school, and then went to Afghanistan for 16 months of heavy combat.
Just the longest combat deployment in global war and terror history, where 85% of my men were wounded, some twice.
I think one dude was wounded three times.
Six of my troops weren't even citizens of this country when they served.
Northerners serving next to Southerners, Black next to White, Christians next to Atheists.
I mean, we were the most diverse infantry platoon that you could possibly imagine.
And it was my job as a 24-year-old kid to sort of be the platoon leader, even though As a platoon leader, you're not really in charge of anything.
I had non-commissioned officers and soldiers who were probably 30 years old, 40 years old, who had a heck of a lot more experience than I did.
Some of whom had multiple combat deployments.
What I try to do as a young leader was just, you know, show up at my unit.
Yeah, I had the cool sexy schools that the army required of a position of platoon leader in light infantry, but just have big eyes, big ears, be humble, self-effacing, and just listen to those experienced non-commissioned officers who are the real door kickers in combat and let them teach, coach, and mentor me on what they thought was a servant leader.
And so that's sort of been What I've been doing my entire adult life.
I don't know if you wanted an answer as in-depth as that, but I basically gave you my whole life story.
tim pool
One thing I've said often is that probably the biggest factor, if I'm looking at a politician to vote for, is if they served in the military.
Whatever branch, some kind of service.
sean parnell
Really?
That's important to you?
tim pool
Absolutely.
And even as somebody who grew up in Chicago, I think growing up in Chicago actually brought me to that, but I come from a military family for the most part.
sean parnell
I didn't know that.
tim pool
My dad was a Marine, my grandpa was a Marine World War II, he trained dogs.
My brother was in the Army, my sister, you know, she married somebody in the Army.
That was a while ago though.
sean parnell
Tim, do you want to know why I think it's important for, you know, I look at, you know, whether you're a Democrat, Republican, independent, if you've served in the military, it means that you at some point in time in your life, you put your country before yourself.
You put your country before your family.
You put your country before your own life or making a buck.
And something about that, the idea of putting your country first.
tim pool
Not for money either.
sean parnell
Not for money.
No, I mean, not for money.
You put your country first.
You take that oath.
And again, whether you're a Democrat or Republican, the hope is that, you know, should you win some political office and you find yourself in Washington, that you can work with the other side.
You can put your country first and do what's best on behalf of the people.
Which is why this, you know, this COVID, this COVID relief bill, I think was just, it just did such a disservice.
I have issues with this bill on it.
tim pool
Let's, let's, we'll save it.
Cause we're, we're supposed to be just doing the intro, but it was getting good.
unidentified
I don't know.
sean parnell
I don't, I don't know how the show is structured.
tim pool
Let me, let me, let me, let me say one thing.
sean parnell
I've drank a lot of these things too.
tim pool
Cause we're, we're supposed to mention, you know, Ian and Lydia are here as well.
Yes, hello.
But I'll just say one thing.
There's, there's two important things I think about.
Uh, well, I'll say there's three things why I think military service is probably the best that... If you had, if I had two people and one person, you know, and they're both running and one at military service, I'd probably vote for them, you know.
So there's three things.
First and foremost, especially if you have combat experience, but regardless, you have basic training.
You've, you've, you've, you've toughened up, you've exercised, you've taken yourself seriously.
The second thing is, not everybody who joins the military is doing it for some noble cause.
Because, you know, I briefly lived on a military base.
My sister was living on Fort Carson in Colorado.
And so I met a lot of people who are like, I needed a job.
You know what I mean?
But there are a lot of people who are like, I wanted to do something, something bigger than myself.
I wanted to help.
I want to be, you know, help my country, help my people.
And they're not doing it to try and get rich.
Because you're not going to get rich doing it.
But I'll tell you what one of the best things is too, is you probably have a disdain for bureaucracy after getting out.
sean parnell
Absolutely.
And in fact, in fact, I personally believe one of the main responsibilities of a leader in garrison before you go to war is to be sort of like a filter of the bureaucracy.
The bureaucracy is going to pour a lot of stuff on you and your job as a leader is to filter out what matters, make sure that your troops can focus on the mission and training on whatever weapon system that they have or whatever duty position that they have.
It's interesting why I joined the military.
Is, you know, I don't come from a long line of, you know, military leaders or military members in my family.
I was a sophomore in college and elementary education at Clarion University, which is a small university in Western Pennsylvania and elementary education major, right?
But didn't really know what I wanted to do with my life.
I was like most sophomores in college and that I just You know, I wasn't sure that maybe being in a classroom with kids eight hours a day for the rest of my life was really what I wanted to do, even though I knew I wanted to serve in some way, give back to the community.
And I remember having a conversation with my roommates thinking like, well, my God, like, are Like, our generation at the time, we didn't really, like, have a moment, right?
Like, you had, like, the Cold War before us, and you had, you know, contingency operations in Panama, and then you had Desert Storm, but, like, our generation was really a golden age, you know?
A post-Clinton era of a balanced budget, where Democrats and Republicans worked together, like, we didn't really want for anything growing up from- as a kid, even though I was from a middle-class family and my parents lived paycheck to paycheck, I mean, I had a pretty good, carefree life, and...
I remember having this discussion with my roommates and then we had this big party over the weekend and I remember waking up on my on this rundown college couch one day surrounded by Iron City beer cans.
I feel like we had come off the bender of a lifetime and there were like cigarette butts out all around us and stuff and I remember sitting up and the world was spinning.
I had this hangover of a lifetime and I remember staggering over to the television set.
And turning it on and watching it flicker to life just in time to see an airplane crash into the World Trade Center.
And, you know, I feel like in that moment, my life was just I mean, I just remember staggering a few steps back and sitting on that rundown couch, just transfixed.
To that television set of just images of just raw horror of innocent Americans dying on live television.
I remember watching people tumble from those towers and land on the sidewalk, or people who were lucky enough to survive that fateful day stagger out of that wreckage, covered in foam.
tim pool
Firefighters who ran into the building.
sean parnell
And that was it.
Tim, that was what did it for me, is watching how the first responders reacted.
The police officers, firefighters, or just ordinary American citizens with no training whatsoever, run into the flames instead of running away from them.
And I remember thinking as a college kid, how can I sit here and do nothing when ordinary American citizens are giving everything for people that they didn't know?
And, you know, anybody that lived through that day knows that most people who ran into those towers that day to save people never came out again with their life.
tim pool
Yep.
sean parnell
And and that was it.
I mean, two days later, I was down at the recruiter's office, told him I want to join the infantry and not just that, go to airborne school and not just that, go to ranger school.
And And then I went home to talk to my parents about the decision.
It was kind of, it's kind of crazy.
And I remember getting in this big argument with my, with my father.
Um, and he, as we were driving back to Clary and it was like a 45 minute drive back to, to the university.
And he was like trying to convince me, look, you got two years left of school, just stay in school, go in as an officer.
And at the time, I mean, I didn't know the difference between, you know, it's good advice though, isn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, I didn't know the difference between a non-commissioned officer enlisted versus officer.
I mean, I was arguing because I wanted to get in the fight right now.
We had just been attacked.
I remember my dad was just relentless.
I remember looking at my dad and I remember saying to him, you know, Dad, what the heck have you ever done to be proud of in your life?
I just want to serve my country.
And he didn't say anything in return, and I was like, uh-oh.
I really know I crossed the line here, and the car just got quiet for about 10 minutes.
And my dad just looked at me, and he goes, well, I have four things that I'm proud of every day.
You know, you, your younger sister, and your two younger brothers.
And I was like, ugh.
I really screwed up, you know?
And so I took his advice, stayed in as an officer, or stayed in college, came out as an officer, and graduated from college in 2004 at Duquesne University in the heart of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and was immediate active duty, and just got thrown into the fray, you know?
Two years later, I was in Afghanistan.
College kid to combat veteran in two years.
Wow.
tim pool
As a commissioned officer, though.
sean parnell
He's a commissioned officer, brand new second lieutenant.
Went to my officer basic course, went to airborne school, went to ranger school.
Ranger school was absolute hell.
I failed the first time through, but begged the brigade commander to let me stay, who tried to kick me out.
He's like, you're out of here, ranger.
And I'm like, I ain't going anywhere, sir.
No, seriously, Ranger, pack your stuff and get out of here.
I'm like, no, seriously, sir, I'm not going anywhere.
So he let me stay in these barracks for three weeks and wait for the next class to start.
Ranger school is divided into three phases, like the Georgia phase, the mountain phase, and the swamp phase in Florida.
All of them are horrible.
I went into Ranger School 225 pounds, running six minute and 30 second miles, the best shape of my life.
I came out of Ranger School 160 pounds.
unidentified
Wow.
sean parnell
Because you're marching probably 20 miles a day.
You're not sleeping.
They've got to give you three hours of sleep a night, but it doesn't have to be concurrent.
So it'd be five minutes here, five minutes there.
And you just don't eat.
You just don't eat.
It's absolutely horrible.
And it's supposed to be The school was meant to train you on small unit tactics under extreme duress.
So can you lead while you're starving and have no sleep?
tim pool
By the end of that school... Feel free to come over here when the apocalypse starts.
I'll defer to you.
sean parnell
You tell me what to do.
Well, first of all, of course.
I'll do that in a second.
This place is sweet.
But I relied on my ranger buddies to get me through.
I mean, they have this thing at the end of every phase.
At the end of the Georgia phase, which is sort of like where they wrap the ranger assessment phase.
Similar to Navy Seal, like Hell Week, you know, where they put you through that and like, they put you through all these sorts of assessments like drown proofing, you know, five mile run, PT test, the Malvestee Pit, which is like, just like, it was just miserable.
And at the end of that, you do a 20 mile, they call it the March of Unknown.
It's like sort of a March of Unknown distance.
You just march to Darby, but the reality is they just march you forever.
Yeah.
And you arrive, I mean, it's funny because like, I think that what that teaches you is that you march until you're done.
Like a lot of people will be like, okay, we're going to be done at 10 miles.
Oh no, we're not.
Oh, it's just one more mile and we'll be done at 15 miles.
They're not going to march us past 15 miles.
unidentified
Yeah.
sean parnell
And then you get to 15 miles and you go to 16 miles.
And so you'd be surprised how your mind plays tricks on you and people just quit when they don't know when you're going to finish.
And I think what that teaches you is you just go until the mission is complete.
And so I think at the end of ranger assessment phase, I think we marched 20 miles into Darby where you do all the patrols.
But anyway, by the end of ranger school, people are so tired and so starving that they hallucinate.
You see people in the middle of the night, like trying to like buy cans of pop from trees and stuff.
And like, it's crazy, man.
But I made it through that 160 pounds.
And went up to the Fort Drum, the 10th Mountain Division in Watertown, New York and spent six and a half years in the military.
I think four or five up at Fort Drum and 485 days, 16 months of heavy combat along the Afghan-Pakistan border.
unidentified
Wow.
sean parnell
Where our mission in 2006 was find Osama Bin Laden.
That was it.
We looked for him for 16 months.
We didn't find him, but we found we found a lot of bad guys, a lot of bad guys.
In fact, thousands of enemy troops.
And we fought against a global jihadist all star team of whether it was a Connie Network troops, Al Qaeda, Taliban, Hekmatyar.
We were, we fought against all of them and took an 85% casualty rate.
Like I said, and I think we killed 350 enemy insurgents, but we didn't hurt one single civilian.
And we did a lot of good things for the Afghan people, built schools, wells, humanitarian assistance.
We really did care a lot about the Afghan people there, but we did.
tim pool
Which is an excellent, I don't want to cut you off though.
sean parnell
No, no, of course.
tim pool
But it's a good segue into the COVID bill.
Things they're spending money on at a time of crisis.
sean parnell
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
So, I mean, you mentioned building schools and stuff in Afghanistan.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, that's, that's, that is amazing.
I have, I have a lot of respect for that.
Right now, I wonder why it is.
Will we focus on things like that?
sean parnell
Well, I mean, this COVID bill, I tried to jump to this a little bit too early in the intro of your show, but, um, I have a lot of issues with this COVID bill on a number of different levels.
One of which is a process issue, right?
Like the idea that.
A 5,300-page bill is given to Congress with, what, three or four hours to read before they actually vote on the bill.
I got a huge problem with that, right?
tim pool
I would say we should all have more than a problem with it.
They are telling us, screaming in our faces on every TV channel and every newspaper, the system is broken, we know it's broken, and we don't care.
Because even AOC and Josh Hawley, I criticized them earlier, and I'll define them in a second, but listen.
They both tweeted about how this was awful.
They're doing this 5,543 or whatever pages with only a couple hours to read it, and they voted for it.
So if you're gonna speak out against it, come on.
Vote no like Rand Paul did, like Ted Cruz did, like, you know, I think it was like 65 or more Republicans.
Only two Democrats voted no, and it was Tulsi Gabbard and Rashida Tlaib.
Now, in their defense, at least they spoke up against it.
Hundreds of other members of Congress voted for a ridiculous, omnibus, $2.3 trillion garbage bill that includes things like this.
This is from the Foundation for Economic Education.
$10 million for gender programs in Pakistan.
Wonderful.
That's exactly what the American people have been begging for.
They've been coming together and rising up these conservative protestors in Oregon.
I know what they were really saying.
unidentified
Kate Brown, we want gender diversity programs in Pakistan!
tim pool
$10 million.
sean parnell
I know it's not going to change the face of the country.
So here's the deal, right?
The American people for the better part of a year have gone bankrupt, have seen their small businesses close.
In western Pennsylvania, in my district, I've seen food lines every single week.
Thousands of people are struggling to put food on the table for their families.
The American people are hurting, and optically, this is what you do at a time when the American people are hurting, when they're desperate for relief?
Not only do you give them 600 bucks, and by the way, like to anybody that's watching right now, If you take just the $900 billion plus COVID relief, right?
And you just do the quick math, 330 million people, that's $2,700 for every man, woman, and child in America, right?
They could have given us $2,700.
Now, instead of doing that, the government took $2,700 from every man, woman, and child in America and gave you $600 back and said, Merry Christmas.
That's unacceptable in every way.
tim pool
It would be like if I robbed you at gunpoint, took your wallet, took all your cash out, and then said, here's 20 bucks.
And you went, awesome.
Thank you so much.
sean parnell
Right.
And so to your point of building schools for Afghan children is amazing.
Teaching little girls to read in Afghanistan is great because we want to make sure that we shape that next generation, but do it in a different bill.
Timing and optics are important.
Like, you're looking at 700 million dollars for a sedan, 1.4 billion to the Asia Reassurance Initiative Act, which again, the Asia Reassurance Initiative Act, I don't have a problem with.
Really, what it basically is, it funds counterinsurgency in Asia, basically keeps an eye on China.
I got no issues with that, but don't.
put it in a COVID relief bill. The problem with these omnibus spending bills, right,
is that Congress doesn't read them. They don't have enough time to read them. And because our
representatives, the people that we send to Washington to do our work for us and look out
for us, the people don't know what's in them either. And nobody does. And here's omnibus
spending bills only get bigger.
They don't get smaller, which is why our debt in the last 10 years has gone from $11 trillion to $27 trillion.
tim pool
Now the debt-to-GDP ratio is a scarier thing.
sean parnell
128%, right?
tim pool
Yeah, so we're generating massive debt and we're producing nothing, and that is how you kill economies.
sean parnell
That's how you kill economies.
This is a national security issue, and this will become probably the greatest leadership challenge of our time.
And, you know, I am gravely concerned with with the amount of debt that we're racking up in this
country.
And bills like this don't help.
tim pool
Trying to explain it to people is it's it's it's it's such a genius move
on the part of the criminal mask wearing bandits who just ripped us off
to to quote the Babylon Bee. Yeah. Yeah.
Because what they've done is, they've found a way to extract the value of labor from the working class in a way they don't notice.
So there's this one guy I know I was arguing with, and he's like, why are they only giving us $600?
And I was like, no, they're not giving you $600, brother.
They're taking 2700 giving 600 back.
And they don't understand.
Like, what do you mean?
They're writing me a check.
I'm getting money.
Listen, they've printed 35% of all U.S.
dollars in circulation have been printed in the last 10 months.
So that's all happening right now.
And that dilutes your buying power.
It basically is a blanket wage reduction.
But it's smart.
A working-class person can get $10 an hour.
Or, you know, a person barely, depending on how many hours they work, could be at poverty levels.
They get $10 an hour, and they're saying, I want $15.
I want $15 an hour.
And then they do something like this.
That $10 an hour can now buy you $7 worth of groceries from the year before, and they don't realize.
They think, well, I'm still getting the same rate.
I'll tell you this, man.
I was shopping on Amazon, and I was buying a tablet.
And so I clicked it, and it went into my shopping cart.
And then something happened, I forgot about it.
A day or so later, I opened up Amazon again, and it said price changes in your cart.
The tablet went from $500 to $650.
That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
People don't get it.
For a working class person, for somebody who's making $10, $15 an hour, that could be another week they have to work.
Another week to get the tablet so they could do the job.
And if you can't get access to tools like that, I mean, I'll tell you, if you get a good phone, a good smartphone, you can make good YouTube videos, you can start a career, you can start a podcast.
If you can get some basic, you know, cheap equipment.
I started doing everything I was doing with just a cell phone.
Not a very good one either.
Just like a basic smartphone.
I saved up and I bought it.
Imagine if, before I was able to buy it, this crisis happened, and then I go into the store and I'm like, I finally saved up the 300 bucks for the phone, and they go, it's $4.50 now.
I would've been like, eh, I guess no phone for me.
Then I wouldn't have started livestreaming, then I wouldn't have started building up this company, and then it wouldn't even happen for me.
You know what I mean?
So, there is a certain degree of having to earn and save to invest in yourself and invest in a business.
They're extracting the buying power from the working class.
Rich people are going to be fine.
Rich people can buy stocks.
I mean, I'm telling you, man, if you bought Amazon stock, if you bought Bitcoin, you're sitting back and you're laughing at all this.
sean parnell
Well, I mean, what concerns me is that $600 is, I feel like, insulting.
You know, and what's more is that Nancy Pelosi was given a better deal nine, what, six months ago, but sat on it.
The Democrats in Congress sat on it, did nothing with it because she wanted to score cheap political points against the president, didn't want to give him an economic win before November 3rd.
So what the Democrats, and look, But come on, Sean.
tim pool
Could you imagine if Donald Trump would have won?
I mean, the nightmare of this Cheeto fascist winning?
The American people gladly forewent this $1200 stimulus package in October because they knew it was for the greater good, right?
Defeating Donald Trump.
sean parnell
No, no, no, no.
You know, I mean, I'm telling you, I see this.
I see this pain in Pennsylvania every single day.
I mean, these people, I reach out to them.
They call me on my cell phone.
I'm you know, like I said, I've tried to lead on this issue and be there for them through this time of crisis.
And again, not just for Republicans, but for Democrats, too.
But to be clear, The Democrats and the House of Representatives sat on COVID relief because they didn't want to give President Trump an economic victory before November 3rd.
The reason why that was important, Tim, is they made the political calculation that yes, the American people are going to have to suffer.
Even people that are Democrats that will likely vote for us.
They're going to have to suffer for the next six months so that we can beat Donald Trump.
I find that- And I was joking, of course.
I know, I know, I know.
tim pool
Some people might not realize, but think about that.
The Democrats, Nancy Pelosi, held the American people hostage.
And here's what I love.
I love hearing this from these urban leftist types.
You know what?
I want to try and differentiate between the actual economic left, who do pay attention to politics, and maybe we have disagreements on policy.
But there's political commentators.
They know a decent amount of their stuff.
Maybe we think they don't know as much, or whatever.
But you have these like low information resistance type Democrats that they're not particularly politically active.
And they're complaining, they're saying, but Nancy Pelosi passed her bill earlier this year and McConnell wouldn't approve of it.
And it's like, what was in that bill?
Well, that bill was the same problem we're seeing with this garbage omnibus.
They put a bunch of trash in it, knowing the Republicans could not allow it to pass.
sean parnell
Well, of course.
Do you know what the major sticking point in what Nancy Pelosi's bill was?
She wanted bailouts for poorly run, radical, liberal cities.
tim pool
But she wanted to get rid of voter ID laws in states.
sean parnell
Well, yeah, that was all crammed in there, too.
tim pool
nonsensical things that we're really filled.
sean parnell
What I told people in Pennsylvania and in my district and my opponent at the time was
a big proponent of taking taxpayer dollars from the people of Pennsylvania and bailing
out a city like Portland that had already defunded their police and let their city burn
for six months.
It's immoral to take our tax dollars from hardworking people in Western Pennsylvania
who are already struggling to bail out poorly run liberal cities.
That's the major sticking point.
tim pool
Or how about to fund gender diversity programs in Pakistan?
sean parnell
I mean, yes.
I mean, so yes, optically, back to the COVID bill, it's an absolute disaster.
And my fear is that problems like this are only going to get worse.
And the point that I was making before this is that It's looking like, look, I don't know what the future holds.
And you know that I'm I'm a supporter of President Trump.
I've talked to the president on multiple occasions.
I'm always going to fight for the people of this country.
I believe in President Trump.
And but it's amazing now that some of the more career politicians in Washington They see the writing on the wall.
They see President Trump that maybe in January, you know, you've got a guy like Joe Biden that that likely be sworn in as president.
tim pool
Yeah.
sean parnell
Did you see with this bill how fast the swamp on both sides of the aisle went back to being the swamp?
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
sean parnell
Right.
We didn't see irresponsible spending bills like this in the news for four years under President Trump.
Don't get me wrong.
This is one of the areas where I disagree with the president a lot is his spending.
He spends a lot more than I'm comfortable with and so I disagree with him on a lot on deficit spending and things like that.
But I would also argue that in the middle of a crisis and a pandemic, once-in-a-hundred-year pandemic, that times like this are precisely meant for deficit spending.
But my point is The swamp has gone back to being the swamp in record time.
tim pool
So I remember talking to some family earlier this year and they were saying,
you always rag on Democrats. All you do is Democrats this, Democrats that.
And I'm like, I criticize Republicans. Admittedly, you do much less than I
criticize Democrats. And I'm going to show everybody listening exactly why I am right.
I have here from GovTrack.us, H.R.
133 Consolidated Appropriations Act 2021, including coronavirus stimulus and relief.
We can see in the Senate, Forty-six Democrats vote yay.
Two Independents, who caucus with the Democrats, vote yay.
Forty-four Republicans vote yay.
But what's this?
Six Republicans voted nay and two Republicans abstained.
At least we have them.
And I'll give a shout-out to Rick Scott, Rand Paul, Marsha Blackburn, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, and Ron Johnson.
Now, those politicians are not far from perfect.
You can criticize them for a bunch of different things.
But at least they have the political willpower to say, I'm not signing this thing!
And it gets better, it gets better.
We jump over to the House vote, H.R.
unidentified
133.
tim pool
And once again, we have 128 Republicans, yay.
230 Democrats, yay.
have a hundred and twenty eight Republicans yay 200 230 Democrats yay
one independent yay we have 50 Republicans nay rejecting this
17 Republicans abstain.
Gross spine, guys, say no.
And then only two Democrats actually voted against this.
Of all of Congress, we ended up with 56 Republicans saying no.
And what was the, let's pull this back up and get the abstaining.
We had two abstentions, so 19 Republicans abstained from the vote, and only two Democrats.
And it was Tulsi Gabbard, who I'm a big fan of and have praised, and Rashida Tlaib, who I've been very critical of, but my respect to her for saying no to this.
I don't know what her reasons were, and each one of these politicians might have a different reason, but ultimately, saying no to this garbage was the right thing.
sean parnell
Well, yeah.
I mean, again, because COVID relief should be for COVID relief.
tim pool
Yes, exactly.
There are lots of... And it should be bigger, and it should be for the American people.
sean parnell
Look, I think that we should have done direct payments to the American people.
I like $2,400 for people.
I think that was President Trump's number in the past.
Something that can actually help them pay their bills.
What I really liked is the Paytech Protection Program.
In fact, before this bill was voted on, the Democrats in the House of Representatives voted against it at least twice, perhaps a third time.
extensions of the Paytech protection program, which would simply have extended the program
through the end of the year, right? Real simple vote, extend the program through the end of the
year and streamline the forgiveness process, right? The Democrats in the House of Representatives
voted against that three times. And so I got massive problems with that.
tim pool
Lydia pulled up the story from News WKRG5. Let's watch.
What's the date on this?
This is from December 22nd.
Trump calls on Congress to amend COVID-19 relief bill to increase stimulus checks to 2,000 per person, remove wasteful and unnecessary items.
But you see what Rand Paul's response to all this was?
If $600,000, why not $1,200,000?
If $1,200,000, why not $6,000,000?
Why not $10,000,000?
sean parnell
Why not $20,000,000?
tim pool
Why not universal basic income?
sean parnell
I mean, you could fix this problem tomorrow if you just adopted a more surgical pandemic response.
And so I will say that I think the political motivations in blue states and governors like Newsom, Pritzker in Illinois, Cuomo in New York, Wolf in my home state of Pennsylvania, I believe that these second lockdowns are not just because of the coronavirus.
I believe that they're making a political calculation and trying to put pressure on Mitch McConnell to bail out, you know, as I mentioned, poorly run liberal states and liberal cities.
You know, by locking down the economy more, right?
It puts more pressure on small businesses, more pressure on Mr. McConnell to bail, to give him what, to give those governors what they want.
tim pool
I've thought about, you know, we went through the first lockdown, so let's, we'll use this as a segue into the big story that we want to talk about.
I remember earlier this year watching videos coming out of China where it's like someone's on a bus and they point the camera out the window and then someone just falls over and it was like watching Shaun of the Dead.
I don't know if you guys have seen that movie where he's like riding and he sees the person fall over and he's like looking.
We saw a bunch of those videos.
It was freaky and what was happening is that people were having respiratory issues from COVID and then just like Earlier in the year, we had a very serious problem.
So we all agreed, okay, we're going to lock down for 15 days because we can't stop this thing.
ian crossland
I didn't agree with that, by the way.
tim pool
Well, I did.
Because the idea was flatten the curve, right?
How many people forgot that already?
ian crossland
It didn't work.
tim pool
Well, it did work.
ian crossland
COVID just went haywire anyway.
tim pool
It went haywire, it came back.
And so what happened was we did flatten the curve, and then we had this big flat period, and now it's spiking again, proving it's not going to stop, and we can't just stay locked down forever.
So the appropriate response now, I believe, is protect the vulnerable, social distancing, masks, and reopening everything.
sean parnell
Let's go back to the very beginning in January.
What I saw coming out of China was very concerning to me.
And the truth is, I didn't know, nor did anybody else, to include our intelligence community, what we were dealing with in COVID.
And I think back then we didn't even have a name for it.
And so Tom Cotton and I think I think Tom Cotton and I were the first people in the country to say, we need to ban all travel from China until we can figure this out.
tim pool
And they got mad at Tom.
sean parnell
Oh, they got mad at Tom Cotton.
They got mad at me.
Oh, we're xenophobic.
And then I think the president a couple of days later banned travel from China.
This was all while impeachment articles of impeachment, by the way, were being delivered from the House to the Senate.
And then the president in an address.
In fact, I was in Washington, D.C.
at the time.
And the president banned all travel from Europe.
And I remember watching that thinking, Oh, my God, this is serious.
He's doing a presidential dress.
Banning all travel from Europe is a big deal.
And this was at the time where Nancy Pelosi was passing out impeachment pens and telling people
to go out in Chinatown and Mayor de Blasio saying, Go see a movie.
tim pool
Come on down to Chinatown.
sean parnell
And Joe Biden again, calling calling Donald Trump xenophobic.
A hysterical xenophobic.
tim pool
But I know the media loves to push this fake fact check where they're like, Biden never called Trump xenophobic.
To specify, in response to Trump's call for banning travel to China, Joe Biden said, we don't need Donald Trump xenophobia.
So it was very clear he was calling Trump a xenophobe in response to this.
But the media goes, but he didn't call him that.
He said he was... Okay, shut up media.
sean parnell
Yeah, so my point is, is that I was okay with the lockdowns early on precisely because we didn't know enough about the virus.
I mean, for God's sake, it could have had a 50% fatality rate.
Yeah, we were. And in those instances, just from a strategic pandemic, military response standpoint,
when you don't know a whole lot about the pathogen, you want to make sure that you
protect people and keep the mice out of it as long as possible until you learn
about what this thing can do. My point is, after 15 days to slow the spread, then 30 days to slow
the spread, then two months to slow the spread, then six months. The point is, we know a lot more
about COVID-19 today than we did in January.
We know who it affects.
We've got therapeutics.
Regeneron.
I mean, we've got hydroxychloroquine, by the way.
tim pool
The AMA came back out.
sean parnell
Now it's cool because the election's over.
Hydroxychloroquine actually worked.
tim pool
The American Medical Association reversed their previous advice on hydroxychloroquine.
Amazing.
sean parnell
Exactly.
And so not only that, now we've got two effective vaccines.
And by the way, you know, people that criticize the president's pandemic response, again, does President Trump always say the right thing?
No.
But this public-private partnership, Project Airbridge, was an unprecedented success.
I mean, he delivered personal protective equipment, PPE, at levels that we never thought possible by simply And Fauci said, we're doing a great job.
to make them available and he got criticized for not being enough personal protective equipment.
tim pool
Democrats were actually praising him. We had Cuomo and Newsom actually go to the
sean parnell
time. Right, right, right, right. At the time. Yes, they were praising him.
tim pool
And Fauci said, we're doing a great job. I don't think anybody could have done anything better.
sean parnell
We developed so many ventilators in this country in such a short amount of time that we didn't
even come close to using what we created and what we made.
We sent them all around the world.
Do you remember the hospital ships up in New York City and outside LA?
Do you know how many people went on the USS Comfort?
None, right?
Like one patient, right?
And I don't even think it was a COVID patient, right?
tim pool
The Javits Center had like 30% capacity.
sean parnell
Yeah, and Operation Warp Speed was an unprecedented success.
All of this stuff happened under President Trump's leadership.
The development of personal protective equipment, which, by the way, our national stockpile of personal protective equipment was completely depleted under Obama and Joe Biden under the H1N1.
Think about this, okay?
tim pool
Donald Trump, I remember getting in a Twitter argument with some leftist and I said, Donald Trump did a good job on COVID.
And their only response was, oh my God, are you serious?
And I was like, so we had a lefty on the show.
And the first thing he brought up was, I understand, like when he was addressing it, there's no metric by which to judge a good job or a bad job because It's one leader, it's one president doing this one thing.
You can try and compare it to historical moments or whatever, and you can't do it, right?
So I'm like, you're correct.
I agree with that.
And he goes, and that being said, here's why Trump did a bad job.
And I said, well, I think Trump did a good job.
It's really about whether you like Trump or don't.
sean parnell
That's what it boils down to, is it's Trump's comportment.
People, you know, and I will tell you, because we experienced this on the campaign trail, I don't know what it is.
I mean, I think when you talk about the president's achievements, whether it's Project Airbridge or Operation Warp Speed or or some of these unprecedented public private partnerships or ventilator production, like all of these things, I mean, what happened in record time?
I mean, the fact that we have two vaccines available to people in under a year is is is close to a miracle.
It happened under President Trump's leadership.
But but people don't people didn't like So Trump is saying right now he will not sign the COVID relief bill unless Americans get $2,000 stimulus checks.
But now I want to address one very important thing though.
I just don't like I don't I don't think he's doing a good job.
tim pool
So Trump is saying right now he will not sign the COVID relief bill unless Americans get $2,000 stimulus checks.
But now I want to address one very important thing though.
Here's the bit that I've been doing in the past couple of days.
Democrats will come into the House or the Senate and say we're proposing a bill to burn down the House.
And they'll like the match.
And then Republicans go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Only burn down the kitchen.
Instead of arguing for reopening the economy and getting people back to work and protecting the vulnerable, Donald Trump is just saying, oh yeah, Democrats, well, I'll one up your leftist policy idea and go even further left than you!
sean parnell
Well, this is what the president represents in the Republican Party today, a massive paradigm shift, right?
I would argue and contend that over the last 30 years of my life, Republicans have been conditioned to fly the white flag of surrender at any sign of adversity.
And I think that's because, you know, the Democrats control every single cultural institution in this country.
They control the media, they control Hollywood, they control our education system, and the Republicans You know, are afraid of media criticism should they take a stand.
Well, I've never, the president, I have never seen anyone in my life.
Now, by the way, you know, the president, again, ran as a Republican, and I think he's a proud Republican, but he resists groupthink on both sides of the aisle like no one I have ever seen before.
tim pool
Well, you know why.
sean parnell
And Republicans and Democrats in Washington I don't want to say they don't like him, but he can make enemies on both sides of the aisle, and he does it as a matter of routine.
And I have to say, I respect that.
tim pool
Trump's ego is just too big, for better or for worse.
He's a billionaire businessman who knows better than these people.
So when they come to him and say, here's what I want to do, he goes, I don't want to listen to you.
I know what needs to be done.
He believes in himself.
He's to a fault.
He's arrogant.
He's egotistical.
But that can be good, so that's the negative aspect, but you could also say he's just very, very confident and he's sure of himself.
So you've got things to criticize him for, but in the same sense, it works out really well for the American people right now.
I actually agree with the stimulus checks, not for what they're doing.
Like, if they actually did a $900 billion stimulus package and everyone got $2,700, I would wince, like cringe a little bit.
Okay, fine.
If that money goes directly to the American people, it's their own buying power being borrowed by themselves.
I understand that.
Giving it to, you know, art institutions and, you know, prominent universities for, like, academic nonsense, and then tying it into the omnibus stuff, that's when things get out of hand.
sean parnell
Well, it muddies the waters for sure.
I would say about President Trump, part of being a leader and one of the things that I learned very early on as a young leader in Afghanistan is that as a leader, if you're not upsetting people every now and again, you're not doing your job.
And part of the problem in Washington is we elect too many lawyers, too many politicians, and not enough leaders.
I disagree with Tulsi Gabbard on a lot of things, on a lot of issues of substance, but I respect her.
She came out today, and this is another issue that I have.
Members of Congress getting the vaccine before people in high-risk categories really upsets me because there's a philosophy in the military of leaders eat last.
Like when you're in the field with your troops as a commander, as a leader, I don't touch food until every single member of my platoon has eaten.
And so, you know, Tulsi Gabbard came out today and said, hey, you know, I disagree with elites in our society or
even people that are that are that are, you know, what do they call high risk folks that are that are working,
getting the vaccine prior to the elderly?
Well, I mean, I respect that.
I respect that.
And so, you know, that's not, that decision from her is probably not going to earn her any points within her political party.
But again, part of being a leader is standing up and doing what you believe in your heart is right, regardless of whether or not you're going to get flack.
tim pool
She's proposing some bills, you know, with all due respect on her way out.
unidentified
She's burning it down.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
I love it.
tim pool
I mean, it's fairly moderate what she's proposing, but I wanted to segue this into the bigger story we had about the protesters, the conservative protesters, because what my concern is with extended lockdowns, with or without a stimulus check.
So Trump comes out and says, we'll do $2,000.
And that's going to make a whole lot of people happy.
But it's also going to be, it's essentially paying to keep the lockdowns going.
Saying, okay, we can lock down because we'll just keep printing money until what, it all becomes worthless?
So now we're seeing conservative protesters coming up and doing something, you know, we mentioned this earlier in the show, that's, as far as I can tell, rather unprecedented, at least in this culture war that we've seen over the past several years.
First of all, When I started covering... Actually, let me make sure I give you guys the context before I get into this.
The Independent reports protesters attack police with pepper spray as they try to storm Oregon Capitol.
Stories from a couple days ago.
Two people arrested on charges of trespassing and assaulting an officer.
It was bear spray.
And these were conservatives using bear spray against police while entering the building.
They say about 300 members of the Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer, and other groups arrived at the re-open Oregon rally, calling on Governor Kate Brown to lift pandemic restrictions as lawmakers met in a special session to discuss stimulus and vaccination distribution measures.
I've been covering this stuff since 2011.
I've been on the ground at protests as a teenager, going down in Chicago to these, you know, anti-Iraq war stuff, anti-Afghan war protests, and just really complaining all the time.
And when I started covering Occupy Wall Street, I never saw a conservative protest.
You'd see, like, Tea Party stuff.
And you know what that was?
I went to D.C.
once, and I saw a bunch of lawn chairs, and it was a bunch of conservatives and Republicans waving little American flags.
And I was like, that's a protest?
Yeah.
Well, it was effective for them, for sure.
They played it smart.
They played it better.
And meanwhile, Occupy was very physical, you know, nonviolent, civil disobedience, mixed with what they call the diversity of tactics, which really sullied and soured the whole thing.
But over the next several years, we started seeing, you know, Proud Boys come out.
I remember going to Berkeley and seeing Proud Boys, and it was like, I was like, oh, Proud Boys are out here.
Like, they're just like, you know, drinking with Gavin and doing their videos, and now they're on the ground.
Now they're actually fighting with Antifa.
And...
I remember I was in front of Trump Tower and there was a Trump supporter who just regular guy regular clothes and there were protesters and I was talking to him and he said he was a Trump supporter and I said why aren't you protesting?
Why aren't you coming out and supporting your president?
And this is years ago and he was like oh no no no I can't do anything like that.
So I remember the first time I saw it, I think it was in Boston, when I saw a march of Trump supporters chanting, whose streets?
Our streets.
And I laughed and I'm like, that's what the left says.
Now you got conservatives organizing, marching in protests.
I'll tell you what I haven't seen.
I have seen Antifa throw bricks at cops, throw Molotovs at cops.
I've not seen them pepper spray cops.
Certainly I think the Molotovs are way worse.
But it is fascinating to me.
And I'm not saying that in a good way.
I'm like, that's crazy.
To see conservatives bear spraying cops.
Because you gotta really push the line to make a conservative come after a cop.
I mean, these are people at this protest.
There were a couple people waving thin blue line flags.
Clearly in support of police.
Now someone there sprays the cops down with bear mace.
Because these cops were barring them from a hearing they were legally allowed to enter.
So windows got smashed, cops shoved people back, a couple people got arrested.
I'll tell you, we do hear in the media a lot fears about what the right will do if they finally feel oppressed and they're going to push back.
And I'm like, it's a good point.
The problem is they bring it up when no one, no conservative is doing anything.
Like Antifa comes out, burns down a whole city and they're like, but they're the good guys.
They're fighting, you know, fascism.
And conservatives are walking around with little American flags.
Now you have the very serious question of, if conservatives have finally said, these officers who are violating the Constitution and keeping us locked down and barring us from a public hearing, if they're no longer on our side, why would we be on their side?
sean parnell
And then clash erupts.
But also, it's that conservatives over the last year have suffered, just America has suffered, but also conservatives are banned, conservatives are cancelled.
For the last four years, they made Conservatives out to be conspiracy theorists.
They called us names, deplorables, chumps, you name it.
I mean, every, every conservatives are constantly, I mean, look what, look at
what Antifa did to elderly conservatives who walked out of the Republican
national convention and back to their hotels in the last night in Washington,
DC, this country has been under attack.
Uh, under attack by the radical left for the better part of a year.
And conservatives have sat back and done nothing, but take it
on the chin every single month.
And so I, I'm, I, I'm not saying I, gosh, I would like, I don't like violence.
Violence is unacceptable on either side.
But we are in the middle of, I think, one of the greatest constitutional crises that we've ever experienced in this country.
Conservatives already feel like they don't have a voice.
This is what's happening when free speech and the First Amendment is essentially canceled or free speech is suppressed.
Bad things happen.
And I think that's part of what we're seeing here today.
You know, those conservatives in Oregon, when they got in the fight with the cops out there, they were unconstitutionally denied their right to a public hearing.
And they're not violent.
They're not violent.
tim pool
Some of them got violent.
But it's very different from if a bunch of like Antifa people show up wearing all black, they typically act a fool and they start threats and you say, take off your mask and hoodie and glasses and you can come in the building, I'm fine with that.
If someone wants to protest and come out and yell rabble rabble and they want to wear sunglasses, a mask and a hoodie, that's fine too.
You want to commit a violent act, that's not okay.
But what's crazy now is...
Antifa fights cops.
They fight cops.
We got that video.
It was out of like Seattle, I think.
They threw a Molotov at cops.
That was- that's crazy.
I mean, they're not just talking about trying to kill the guy.
They're trying to- they're talking- when you throw a Molotov at somebody, you're not just trying to commit murder.
You want to make sure they suffer the whole way through, and if they survive, they have permanent injuries for the rest of their lives.
That's psych- that's psychotic.
Now conservatives, who typically have spent the whole year defending the police, they're mad at them.
The police need the support of anybody they can get.
Especially when, against the wishes of many of the members of the public, they're defunding police.
Minnesota, this is hilarious.
City council votes to abolish their police department.
All of a sudden, crime rates start skyrocketing.
Locals start calling their city council members saying, what's happening?
Why aren't the police responding to calls anymore?
They come into an emergency meeting, okay, we gotta go backwards, we don't wanna do over, it was a mistake, it was a mistake.
They're doing it even though people are saying not to.
And conservatives the whole time have been saying, back the blue, defend the police, not defund the police.
But what happens when the police don't get that support?
Because the police are the ones now who are shutting down businesses.
During the riots in June, Antifa were destroying small businesses and burning down buildings.
Well, now the videos I see in big cities... In big cities.
They're Democrat cities, mind you.
It's the police doing it.
It's the NYPD who stood in front of that bar in Staten Island and basically looked the guy in the face and said, you have no constitutional rights, because we say so, and we'll arrest you if you try and let people into your building.
The First Amendment says, peaceably assemble.
It doesn't say why.
If I want to peaceably assemble to, you know, play marbles or whatever, I'm allowed to do it.
If someone says, I'm going to open up my business, I have a right to open it to the public, his constitutional rights publicly assemble.
The police barred the building.
Who are those cops to violate the Constitution that way?
sean parnell
Well, I mean, this is part of the reason why I say that, you know,
the police should not follow unconstitutional orders.
And certainly in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, we've not experienced, I mean, I've not seen or had
experiences like that.
In fact, most of the cops that I've come into contact with, they loathe the orders.
In fact, we've had some sheriffs come out and say simply, we're not gonna enforce them.
Good!
The government does not have a right to deny your ability to make a living.
The government does not have a right to tell you what you have to wear in your own house.
The government doesn't have a right to tell you how many people you can have in your own house.
So if you're a police officer and you get a call and maybe a neighbor tells on you, you get a call and you show up to someone's house and they got a couple people in their house, you shouldn't be enforcing unconstitutional orders.
tim pool
And exactly, they're orders.
They're not laws.
There's no statutory backing to this.
It was some governor or mayor just saying, do it.
And there are cops who are doing it.
sean parnell
And also, can we also just have a conversation about, like, in Pennsylvania, we're locked down again.
Governor Wolf locked us down.
He shut down restaurants and indoor dining.
You know, first of all, there's absolutely no science behind this, right?
And you're shutting down restaurants.
You know what happens when you shut down restaurants?
If anything, we should be opening up more restaurants to allow people to spread out more.
But when people can't go out to a restaurant, you know what they do?
entertain at home. They go to their friends' houses. They go to their friends' houses.
So if you're looking for if you're looking to stop the spread of COVID-19 and you actually
look at some of the contract tracing research that said 76% of the spread happens in people's
own home, what you're doing by closing restaurants is shunting people back into their own homes,
which according to your own research, allows for the spread of COVID-19.
tim pool
Didn't the Supreme Court already rule that, like, the first lockdown in Pennsylvania was... The federal court.
sean parnell
The federal court.
And then another judge took it up and struck it down.
We've got so many experiences with the court systems, but... Let me show you this.
tim pool
From Vox.com, December 10th, Southern California sheriffs are refusing to enforce stay-at-home orders.
It's these big blue cities.
So this is another reason why I'll always say, the ACAB people are wrong.
Somebody commented, so I made a music video in November, and it's called Will the People, you can check it out.
But it's about the cycle of authoritainers and violence.
And someone commented, it was really funny, they said, you made an entire video showing how the bad guys are the police, and like the people are rising up against them to remove the dictators, and they're always backed by the cops.
And I'm like, When you have blue areas, when you have Democrats and the police there don't care about the Constitution, yes, you have a problem.
When you have these places in Southern California where the sheriffs uphold the Constitution, when you have places in smaller towns and local cops who uphold the Constitution, the cops are the good guys.
The ones protecting you from the despots, from the authoritarians.
sean parnell
The greatest hedge against authoritarianism is our Constitution.
Our Constitution protects all Americans, is a shield for all Americans against authoritarian government overreach.
tim pool
Listen, this is why... My understanding is most cops swear an oath to uphold the Constitution.
sean parnell
Absolutely, and they take it seriously.
tim pool
And when they do, they are literally the good guys.
When they don't, they're literally the bad guys.
ian crossland
Yeah, police is a verb.
Like, if I give you a gun, I'm like, go walk around and make sure no one's out there.
You're policing the area.
Whether or not you adhere to the constitution has nothing to do with it.
Some of those guys did take oaths, and if they're violating them, that's a problem.
But anyone can police.
tim pool
Well, it really does come down to cops as the most important group of people.
And I'm not saying important as a good or bad thing.
The most consequential group of people in this country right now Are cops who are upholding their constitution or breaking it.
In New York, we're seeing them break it.
And that means people's lives are being destroyed.
In areas like Southern California, we're seeing them uphold it, and they're the heroes stopping the fascists.
I have no problem calling them, use their own word, against them.
These Democrats that feel they have a right to give our taxpayer dollars to massive corporations, to shut everything down by edict, they're fascists.
sean parnell
Well, and when you see some of the reporters talking to Governor Wolf, it really is, it would be hysterical if it weren't tragic for these restaurants who are closing in record numbers in the state of Pennsylvania.
Reporters asking him, well, why are you closing restaurants?
What research are you using?
Do you know what he's saying?
He's like, well, I can't think of a more dangerous thing than people sitting with masks.
But there's no research to support that the spread of COVID-19 is happening in restaurants, especially when restaurants have invested tens of thousands of dollars in taking 50% capacity.
People are spread out.
They've got plexiglass.
or outdoors, all you're effectively doing is taking someone's ability to make a living
three weeks before Christmas.
It's not just the owners of the restaurants, it's the busboys, it's the cooks, it's the
servers.
All of these people are going to have not only trouble putting food on the table for
their family, but they're going to have issues Christmas for their children, for God's sake.
It's really, really frustrating to me.
So, I mean, I've stood up in Pennsylvania and I feel like I'm the only one in Pennsylvania saying, restaurants stay open, cops disobey unconstitutional orders.
And it's working, except for now, we've got government and health, the health department showing up to restaurants.
And inside of one restaurant in Western Pennsylvania, Giovanni's, it's an Italian restaurant, health department came in there and said, well, you're not supposed to be open for in-person dining.
And he said, well, I can't make a living if I don't.
So they came back the next day, they pulled his health permit and they said, oh, we'll make you a deal.
We'll let you do takeout.
And he said, I lose money when I do takeout.
I'm staying open.
He said, well, guess what?
We got to shut you down now.
tim pool
How are they going to do it?
sean parnell
Well, he didn't listen.
tim pool
So are they going to send cops in?
sean parnell
I don't I look if they do.
I don't I don't think I I don't know.
I hope that I hope that the cops don't.
I hope that they don't comply.
I don't think that they will.
But but the point is people are starting to push back.
And what I said earlier in the program is a government derives power from the consent of
The moment we no longer consent, the government has no power to impose any unconstitutional lockdowns.
And again, I'll say this again, because there'll be some radical left group that's going to take this out of context and say that I don't care about COVID.
I do care about COVID a lot.
I think we need to adopt a more surgical pandemic response.
I think that we can protect small businesses and protect people's ability to make a living while simultaneously protecting public health.
I think we can do both.
tim pool
Not only that, I think at this point, I don't care what the response being offered up is as long as it's not lockdown.
You know why?
We did the lockdown.
It didn't work.
sean parnell
The science behind them is dubious at this point.
Anybody that's advocating for lockdowns at this point in the game is not looking at the data and not looking at the science.
tim pool
But I'll clarify.
The first point of the lockdowns was not to stop everyone from getting COVID.
It was to make it so the hospitals could handle the load by spreading it out.
That was the goal of the lockdown.
We did.
Now it's back.
We slowed the spread.
It came back with a vengeance.
We can't just do it again because clearly it's just going to keep coming back.
We have to do something else.
So my question is though with these protesters, at what point do conservatives I don't know.
Escalate, as it were.
There's a town called Mossy Brook, in Washington, where the mayor just said, we're exempt from the lockdown.
Just by his own decree.
And so the city is just normal.
Patriot prayer, you know, right-wing groups showed up and they partied.
I think, you know, people, what the government is doing is risking the loss of their legitimacy.
When you have police in New York and other big cities violating the Constitution, well, then people feel like the government is illegitimate.
When you have police officers who defy the elected government, like in Southern California, to defend the Constitution, Then people are gonna start feeling like their elected government is illegitimate.
If the Constitution is not being protected, or the governors are trying to rip it apart, then people are gonna lose confidence.
At what point do we start seeing small towns and right-wing groups just set up their own checkpoints or whatever and say, you have no power here, to like the cops?
ian crossland
When they go hungry.
When they start going hungry.
sean parnell
God, I hope that never happens.
I think we can avoid all of that by simply disobeying the orders, period.
tim pool
The most effective way.
Because this is the most important thing.
sean parnell
And by the way, Tim, when I say disobey the orders, I'm simply saying restaurants stay open, small businesses stay open.
If you want to leave your house and you want to go shopping, then go shopping.
Follow CDC guidelines.
Wear a mask in the store.
If you're somebody that's afraid of COVID, right?
Or if you're somebody that has a pre-existing condition, or if you're in a high-risk category, stay home.
Order groceries online.
Look to your neighbor for help.
Maybe they'll go grocery shopping for you, but there are ways that human beings Well, fine.
I mean, we'll find a way to be safe and be responsible during all this.
But the point that I'm making is I don't think a top down draconian government lockdown is the answer, because, you know, there's that old phrase from Ronald Reagan, like, I'm from the government and I'm here to help.
That scares me.
I don't want the government's help.
I think the vast majority of Americans don't want the government's help.
ian crossland
They're loaning out money.
So basically, we're taking a loan from the Federal Reserve that we have to pay back at interest just to pay ourselves $600.
sean parnell
Your children and your children's children.
ian crossland
And so the debt to GDP ratio is 126, you said?
unidentified
128.
ian crossland
Once it gets to 130, you mentioned a number.
sean parnell
132, you're going to have real, real problems.
ian crossland
And what historically do very poor countries with huge militaries do?
They don't disband.
Invade?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
I don't know who we would invade right now, though.
Iran.
ian crossland
How about Iraq and Afghanistan and Syria and Libya and all that?
Yeah, how about it?
This is what I'm talking about.
Desperation.
tim pool
Iran is the target.
sean parnell
Well, I don't know.
I mean, I feel like we racked up a lot of debt in Afghanistan and in Iraq.
Iraq more so than Afghanistan.
tim pool
Who racked the debt up and who benefited from it?
Because there are individuals, probably in government, who either just didn't care and voted yes, because they're not going to see this, or there are people who had stock in certain companies and were like, I'll vote for war, fine, whatever.
sean parnell
My fear is not about, you know, the United States potentially invading, you know, another country.
Although, I mean, I'm always worried about sending our troops into harm's way for a number of different reasons and the potential foreign policy implications that come along with that.
I am very, very worried about the CCP, the Chinese Communist Party.
unidentified
Definitely.
sean parnell
I'm very, very concerned.
ian crossland
Taiwan.
If they go in on Taiwan, I mean, what's America going to do?
sean parnell
Joe Biden will do nothing.
I said, you know, if you end up seeing a Biden presidency, mark my words, I think this is just what I know of China and how they operate.
I've been watching them for the last 10 years of my life.
I think you'll see China go quiet.
And then I think you'll see them invade Taiwan.
And then you're going to that'll be one of them soon.
Yes.
And so but look, the Chinese Communist Party has infiltrated every level of our government.
And that is not Sean Parnell on Tim Pool and a conspiracy theory.
This is what a Chinese professor said at a Chinese presentation, said that we've got people at every level of the Chinese Communist Party.
He even brought up paying Hunter Biden and the Biden family.
Couple weeks later you have Eric Swalwell come out with with Fang Fang being compromised by a Chinese spy You had a Chinese spy driving around Dianne Feinstein for 20 years now get this and that no one no one's talked about this I'm gonna talk about on your show for the for the first time a high-level Chinese diplomat met with the Allegheny County Executive, Rich Fitzgerald, in August of 2019.
Why is a high-level Chinese official, Communist Party official, meeting with a county executive?
And you know how I found that information?
On the Chinese Communist Party New York City Consulate website, where they said that in this meeting, oh, Rich Fitzgerald, the Allegheny County Executive, welcomed us with open arms.
We said that Wuhan in Pittsburgh are sister cities, and we stand in August of 2019, three months before a pandemic.
Wuhan and Pittsburgh are sister cities.
What gives an Allegheny County executive the authority to make a declaration like that, number one?
Number two, how is it okay for a county executive and local Democratic officials to meet with a senior, a high-level Chinese diplomat to subvert, and by the way, this is on the CCP's website, To subvert the president's trade policy in China and foreign policy in China and stand steadfast in our friendship.
tim pool
Did you see this story that came out just about a week ago?
Data leak exposes details of 2 million Chinese Communist Party members.
sean parnell
I saw that, yeah.
tim pool
The US and the UK have been infiltrated by members of the Communist Chinese Party, some of these biggest companies, some working for some of these major pharmaceutical companies.
So I have to wonder, when I see something like that, when I see Fang Fang, you know, Eric Swalwell allegedly was having relations with this woman, and she helped fundraise for his campaign, my question is why hasn't he resigned already?
sean parnell
Why is he on the intel committee?
tim pool
Why isn't he under investigation, having every single communication ripped apart and gone through the fine-tooth comb?
And then when I see stories about this guy Fitzgerald you're mentioning now in Allegheny County, oh, it's, it's, you notice this because this is your county, right?
sean parnell
Yeah, it's part of my district.
tim pool
You, you, you, you're, this is your, you know, where you live.
sean parnell
Look, this is my first foray into politics.
You know, I'm, I'm a warfighter, so I'm just starting to notice this stuff now.
tim pool
But think, think about this.
Think about how many other counties, how many other districts.
A hundred percent.
sean parnell
A hundred percent.
tim pool
And then I wonder, you say, what, what gives him the authority?
Why does he do it?
Man, I wonder if all it takes is some hacker, a Chinese communist party member who, you know, hacks into his account, finds his, uh, naughty folder, and then blackmails him with it.
They have a meeting and they say, oh, take a look at this image.
sean parnell
Well, look, that's part of their playbook.
But China knows the game.
The Chinese Communist Party does not want for resources.
Part of what they do, part of right out of the Chinese Communist Party playbook,
is putting pressure on local, state, and federal officials that they think that they can get in with.
It's bad for all of us.
I mean, look, this is a Republican and Democrat problem.
Now, I don't think that, I mean, you've got Dianne Feinstein and Eric Swalwell, and then
you've got...
tim pool
I, I, I, I technically agree, but I actually kind of disagree with you saying it's a Republican
and Democrat problem.
It's bad for all of us.
sean parnell
It's bad for all of us is what I'm saying.
tim pool
I'm not sure the Democrats care.
sean parnell
Well, I mean, look, if the Democrats cared, Eric Swalwell would not be on the intelligence
committee.
tim pool
Joe Biden would not be president-elect, or will be on January 6th, or about to be.
sean parnell
I mean, look, this is a problem.
This is a problem that deserves the attention of every power broker in this country, in the private sector, and every head of every government agency needs to be focused on this now.
tim pool
Too many people are in on the take, man.
Look, look, look.
It is not hyperbolic to say that Joe Biden is likely compromised by communist Chinese interests.
He flew his son on government property, Air Force 2, to China for a $1.5 billion equity deal.
Now, I thought it didn't happen.
I thought the equity deal fell through, but we had China Uncensored on the show, and they said, no, actually, it did go through, just not the way people think.
The negotiations were good.
It worked.
They got a $5 million interest-free forgivable loan.
Joe Biden flew his son to China for a private deal.
Joe Biden's involved.
sean parnell
Of course.
He's the big guy.
He's the big guy.
tim pool
But even outside of accusations, right?
From these emails.
So we have leaked emails.
Well, they're not leaked emails.
We have the laptop.
The emails were published.
We have confirmation from Tony Bobulinski, who worked on some of these deals.
Get rid of all that stuff.
Just say, just say, you know what, okay, you're arguing with your Democrat buddy, say, forget it all.
It is not in dispute that Joe Biden took Air Force Two to fly his son to China for private equity deals.
Joe Biden used government resources to enrich his family.
That is a fact.
Not in dispute by anybody.
And now this guy's on track to become president.
sean parnell
Look, it's concerning.
And I would say about, you know, Allegheny County executives, local county executives, it's not uncommon for them to meet with diplomats and welcome them to their cities.
But I would say, why are you meeting with our number one geopolitical foe, probably the greatest human rights abuser on the planet?
They put people in concentration camps.
Their number one goal is to become the lone superpower overtaking the United States of America.
Does this not deserve questions from maybe somebody in the media?
ian crossland
I used to always be like, why were they so nice to the Nazis in 1930?
Why was Hitler man of the year?
Why did Germany host the Olympics?
Why was Germany such the love child of the world in the early days when maybe their human rights abuses weren't public knowledge yet?
tim pool
Peace in our time.
ian crossland
Yeah, who said that?
Neville Chamberlain?
tim pool
Neville Chamberlain said that.
After his appeasement of Hitler?
That was Michael Maus who brought that up on the show, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The saying, peace in our time, was when Neville Chamberlain talked to Hitler, and they were like, he comes back and goes, don't worry, he says he won't attack us.
ian crossland
Yeah, they gave him a piece of Czechoslovakia or something?
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
Neville Chamberlain gave him a big piece of land and was like, he's not gonna invade anymore, guys.
The Sudetenland, I don't remember.
sean parnell
Yeah, the idea, the idea that China is our friend that is being you're hearing this in the news from many in the Democrat Party is one of the greatest fallacies of our time.
They are not our friend.
They do not want to be they want to overtake our country.
They do not want to cooperate with us.
Like, look, it's very, very, very concerning.
And I'm telling you, every leader in our country needs to focus on this right now.
ian crossland
But clearly people like Swalwell I don't think he intentionally took a spy under his wing.
tim pool
He'd resign if he cared.
ian crossland
Well, now, yeah, I know.
I think if there was enough of a public outcry, he would resign.
sean parnell
I don't know if it's that they don't care, or is it that they're just ignorant to the goals, the foreign policy goals of China, or maybe they don't understand.
tim pool
Well, let me say something.
I worked for ABC News Univision's Joint Venture Fusion.
I worked in the ABC News building.
I worked in the Univision building.
I worked for Vice.
What people think, they think that individuals get bribed to do things.
They think that, like, I would go to you and say, hey, I want you to, you know, steal Ian's glasses.
Here's ten bucks.
Well, that's not how bribes work.
That's not how the media works.
That's not how political manipulation works.
Here's how it works.
If you run a company and you want it to be a woke, progressive, or a conservative company, you don't hire a journalist and then say, I'll give you extra money to lie and make fake news.
You seek out those who lie and make fake news and say, want a job?
And they say, yes, I do.
Here's your salary.
Do whatever you want, because I already know what you do.
Eric Swalwell got help with his political career from Fang Fang.
The Chinese Communist Party finds feckless, ignorant morons and then says, make them win.
How can we make them win?
ian crossland
Why do we have feckless ignorant morons in our government?
tim pool
Because we are a government of, by, and for the people.
ian crossland
Because it's a popularity vote?
tim pool
Because anybody can run.
So what they'll do now is they'll exploit that system in any legal possible way they can, or even illegal.
Like we have the Thousand Towns program.
These professors are getting huge stacks of cash from China, and they're getting arrested for it because it's illegal.
Or they're lying to the government about the money they're getting.
China's willing to break the rules, and they're willing to do whatever it takes to exploit our system.
And Fang Fang, the spy who is helping Eric Swalwell get elected, is... Well, that's basically the point.
Swalwell probably wouldn't even be in office.
I don't know, maybe not.
Maybe he would've.
That's fine.
But either way, he should've resigned the moment the story broke.
The moment he hit a briefing, and the FBI came in and said, you were propped up by Chinese spies, even if it were me, I'd walk out and be like, I'm out.
I resign.
sean parnell
Or at least take him off the intelligence committee so that he doesn't have access to our country's most sensitive
secrets.
tim pool
Yeah, that too.
Yeah, I mean- But I don't think the Democrats care.
Look at- remember Steve King?
Remember what happened to him when he tweeted about white nationalism?
sean parnell
Yes!
tim pool
He got booted off everything!
sean parnell
Every committee!
tim pool
And then he lost the- he got primed.
sean parnell
I totally agree.
Primary, yes.
tim pool
Because the Republican Party said, we don't want to associate with you and what you're
saying, so we want someone else.
That was the Republican Party, because the Republicans, for all of their faults, are
still substantially better than Democrats in many ways.
I think both parties are full of crony establishment garbage, but you still have a decent amount
of people in the Republican Party who are willing to say something.
I totally agree with you.
I totally agree.
sean parnell
They're willing to do something about it.
I mean, obviously, I'm a Republican, but yes, I totally agree with you.
I totally agree with you.
tim pool
But again, it's just look at Ilhan Omar comes out and says all that stuff about, you know, Jews in Israel.
That was like the way I described it was Ilhan Omar was crop dusting antisemitism.
You know what crop dusting is?
The plane comes down, gets real close to the ground, but doesn't touch it.
The things Ilhan Omar said weren't overtly antisemitic, but people were like, you said reading into it.
But hold on.
You said three things.
It's like if you said one thing, we'd be like, oh, that's weird.
Second time we go, it's kind of weird.
Third time's like, OK, that's on purpose, right?
But all that happened was Nancy Pelosi said we want to condemn all bigotry and no penalties, no censure, no punishment.
Just we condemn bigotry.
Have a nice day, everybody.
Steve King tweets once and they kick him out of the party.
He's gone.
He loses.
sean parnell
Yeah.
unidentified
Bye bye.
sean parnell
I know.
tim pool
And so Democrats don't do it.
sean parnell
And Eric Swalwell still sits on the Intelligence Committee, even though he was compromised for years by a Chinese spy.
tim pool
You know, it's funny.
There was a meme where they were like, the Chinese Communist Party is sending beautiful young women to basically get in bed, literally, with up-and-coming stars, politicians, personalities.
And so now it's like, if you are... What did someone say?
They say, if you're a 2 and she's a 10, you probably should... You gotta ask some questions there, buddy.
ian crossland
She's probably a spy.
tim pool
She's probably a spy!
Something's not right, huh?
ian crossland
Can we get Swatwile out of the committee?
tim pool
Impeach him.
sean parnell
The only way he gets removed from the committee is Nancy Pelosi removes him from the committee.
tim pool
You know what, man?
Have you seen what's going on with the force the vote thing on the progressive left?
sean parnell
I have seen this, although I don't know enough about it to discuss it in any depth.
I have seen it.
I read a little bit about it just today.
tim pool
This is why I think... I'll tell you another reason why I don't like the Democrats.
After everything we've just explained about kicking people out of the party and booting them off their committees, You have Ocasio-Cortez and the progressive Democrats in the Democratic Party.
Because the Republicans gained so many seats, they now have the leverage to force a vote on basically anything they want.
I think they're within five votes of the majority, right?
sean parnell
Like, it's like, the House is very, very... Yeah, I think the Democrats have a six or seven seat majority right now.
tim pool
Which means, if the progressives went to Nancy Pelosi and said, unless you give us a floor vote on these issues, we will not vote for you for Speaker.
In which case, the Republicans could gain control, to a certain degree.
They're still the minority party.
sean parnell
Oh, for sure!
tim pool
So, you have Jimmy Dore, who is, he's progressive, but he's populist, and I think he's a good dude, and he said, You were elected to do this.
Do it now.
They won't do it.
They won't challenge Nancy Pelosi.
Nancy Pelosi, in her weakest position yet, wants to be re-elected Speaker, and they have the leverage to say no to her, and they won't do it.
sean parnell
They won't.
No.
Because, look, say what you will about Nancy Pelosi, but she's shrewd.
She's a ruthless politician.
She knows the game.
She's been in Washington for a long time.
She's got a lot of money.
She's got a lot of money in her SuperPAC, and she can single-handedly funnel millions of dollars, which happened in my race, by the way.
She funneled $1.2 million of dark SuperPAC money into PA17 against me.
I would argue that it didn't work.
Maybe it worked enough.
tim pool
Did the mail-in voting work?
unidentified
No.
sean parnell
Well, the mail-in voting worked real well for the Democrats.
Oh, so you want to hear the latest on this?
Yeah, what's going on?
So the last time I was on the show, we talked about how there were 13,000 mystery mail-in ballots that were infused into my race the day after election day.
We don't know where they came from.
Now, this number of mail-ins, Republican, Democrat, Independent, Other, they're not projections.
We know what that number is, and we knew what that number was on election day, and we knew what it was on election night.
On election night, there was no honest mathematical path for my opponent to win.
Period.
End of story.
News outlets had called the race.
Leader McCarthy called me to congratulate me.
Any way you cut it, there was going to be a two percentage point victory for me.
Right.
It was over.
tim pool
McCarthy called you?
sean parnell
At the exact moment that the ballot dumps were happening the day after election day at night.
ian crossland
Wow.
sean parnell
And so for five weeks we've been asking Allegheny County, Where did these 13,000 ballots come from?
They were dropped in two successive dumps.
One of 4,000 votes.
One of 9,000 votes.
tim pool
They were all for Conor Lamb, Democrat.
sean parnell
Almost exclusively for Biden and Lamb.
Where did they come from?
We've been asking Allegheny County for weeks.
We never got a response from Allegheny County.
We had a real great reporter in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
She asked them, finally got a response in like the first week of December.
And you want to know where are these 13,000 ballots?
What's the chain of custody?
Their answer was, Mr. Parnell had a representative at our facility and signed out at 6.58 p.m.
before the work was completed.
And I said, that's like, first of all, they didn't answer the question.
That's like the police officer saying to a shoplifter, sir, did you steal those groceries?
And the shoplifter shrugging his shoulders and saying, well, the cashier was off.
Like they didn't answer the question. They're just, they're just brazenly laughing in our faces at
And my gosh, we can't even talk about it without your show getting, we can't even talk about any of this stuff without getting banned or disputed on social media.
But I'm living this every single day.
And look, this isn't about me.
Like my God, look, being a representative of the people by and for the people in Congress would have been an honor of a lifetime.
I take it seriously.
But you know, I had a pretty good life before running for Congress.
I take a pretty big pay cut going into Congress.
So my point, my point is this, this is not about Conor Lamb and me.
This isn't about Joe Biden and Trump.
This is about, we talked about the Democrats and the radical left controlling every cultural institution, whether it's the media, entertainment, education, YouTube, social media, big tech.
And now, Tim, they control the ballot box.
This is a problem.
And so we have, we, we've got to work out the kinks in this election.
I don't know.
It doesn't matter.
God, it doesn't matter where the chips fall.
And I would even be willing to say, look, 2020 people voted in good faith.
Let's keep 2020 as is, but we have to fix and reform the system going forward.
Otherwise, no one is going to have faith.
And I know where you're going to go with this.
unidentified
Where am I going to go?
sean parnell
Because even if we say 2020 was fubar, right?
2020 was real messed up.
Even if we get a positive ruling from the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court says, yeah, Act 77 is unconstitutional.
2020 was jacked up, but fix it going forward.
You're going to have 50% of the state of Pennsylvania saying, wait, what?
The election in Pennsylvania was unconstitutional and illegal in 2020 and you're forcing me to accept it?
unidentified
Yep.
sean parnell
So this is why I say this is a constitutional crisis because even if, so say you say 2020 is messed up, we're moving forward, like deal with it.
50% of the people are going to not accept it.
But then on the flip side of that, you say Act 77 is unconstitutional and every mail-in ballot that's sent in under that unconstitutional system is getting thrown out.
That's also explosive because those people cast their ballots in good faith.
We went to the court, Tim, which is precisely how our system of government is designed to help us provide, to help us give a remedy to what we believe is a constitutional crisis.
Because we got to have some clarity on this election and every election moving forward and what point... You want to know what I think is going to happen next?
Oh, tell me.
unidentified
Tell me.
tim pool
I think Democrats are going to win in Georgia.
And then Joe Biden's going to become president.
And then they're going to pack the Supreme Court.
Maybe, maybe, because you might get like a Manchin Democrat who's like, I refuse to allow this.
But the reason why I think they're going to win in Georgia is because what I've often said is Trump's not on the ballot and people don't like the Republican Party.
They like Trump and they like the new wave of Trump Republicans.
It's a smaller group relative to the political establishment.
But the runoff in Georgia is on January 5th.
On January 6th, Alex Jones and many others say they're going to be in D.C.
with 10 million people.
How many people from Georgia are going to pack their bags on the 5th to drive to D.C.?
sean parnell
And perhaps not vote in Georgia.
Exactly.
I know it's concerning for sure that that can't happen, though, Tim.
I mean, you're right.
Look, let's war game this.
If the Democrats win in Georgia, I think, without question, they will try to pack the court.
Don't believe me.
This isn't what I think.
They've said it.
They're gonna make two more states.
Would probably be Democrat senators representing those states.
tim pool
What are they gonna do?
DC and Puerto Rico?
sean parnell
DC and Puerto Rico.
They're gonna probably ditch the Electoral College.
Again, don't believe me.
They've said it.
tim pool
They've said it.
I think that would require two-thirds ratification.
So that, they can't do anything about.
sean parnell
They're gonna try to do it.
tim pool
But it won't matter.
I don't think...
I think they've already changed the rules beyond the electoral college.
sean parnell
Yeah, I see what you mean.
It won't matter.
Yeah, it won't matter.
tim pool
Yeah, look, the fact that they've done universal mail-in voting, they've obliterated the chain of custody for our election system, they've ripped security away from it.
Nancy Pelosi wanted to get rid of voter ID.
They want no security in their elections while they scream that we had insecure elections for four years.
sean parnell
And listen, every pundit, at least in the state of Pennsylvania, The general sentiment is, well, Democrat in the White House, Republicans pick up seat in the off year, right?
That's just always been the historical trend.
The party that holds the White House, the opposite party picks up seats that year.
But in the state of Pennsylvania, I don't think that people realize the paradigm shift that happened in 2020.
There was something called, as part of Act 77, called the automatic opt-in.
So during the highest presidential voter turnout in our nation's history, The Democrats sent out something like two plus million mail-in ballots.
If you got a ballot application and you check the automatic opt-in, you get a ballot sent to you for every election until the day that you die.
And if you're a Democrat, probably after that as well.
But my point is, You did the idea that all of those people, all of those
Democrats are going to get ballots in the off cycle, in the off cycle. Right. So they're feasibly,
feasibly, they could have a presidential voter turnout in a mid cycle in the state of Pennsylvania.
tim pool
Which is it. Democrats only get elected with low information voters. And I'm not saying
that to disparage your average Democrat voter. But the fact that you've had Democrats talking about
lowering the voting age to 16 is all the proof I need to say Democrats survive off of low
information voters.
People who aren't... So listen, why do they want universal mail-in voting?
Well, the left says to make it easier for people to vote.
Should someone who has no idea what they're voting for or who they're voting for vote?
My personal opinion?
No.
That's why I don't like, we talked about this quite a bit, getting rid of the Democrat and Republican, getting rid of parties on ballots.
Imagine you got a flyer in the mail, or imagine you go to vote, and you see Conor Lamb, Sean Parnell, no Democrat, no Republican, just the names.
The only people who are gonna get the votes are the people who are like, I like Sean Parnell or I like Conor Lamb.
Now what happens is, you get a ballot in the mail and they go, Democrat.
They don't know what they're voting for, they don't know why they're voting for it, and that's what Democrats thrive on.
We can't function if people just are saying, I don't know, party, boop, and they're not really voting for anything other than team.
Then you end up with people who sell you out to, say, China, and that's what we're headed towards.
You know what, man?
I think the Democrats, this was their reckless abandon, their desperate attempt to get enough votes to beat Trump by waking many people to politics, getting them as active as possible and angry as possible, and now we're all sitting here watching this relief bill, this ridiculous omnibus spending bill, Everybody basically hates it.
Democrats hate it.
The leftists hate it.
Conservatives hate it.
Trump supporters hate it.
They're throwing it in our faces and laughing.
So at this point, I think the establishment is rather content.
Mitch McConnell is already telling other senators not to support Trump on January 6th.
You know, don't do it.
He's already planning to override Trump's veto.
Trump wants to veto the defense spending bill.
Well, the Republicans never had his back.
They were only forced to have his back because they knew that Trump had the support of the people.
sean parnell
Well, let me tell you, man, I think that's a huge... Look, if that's the case, if what you say is true, You know, it'd be a huge mistake for any Republican in the House or the Senate to run away or distance themselves from the president.
He is by far the most popular president in our nation's history, period.
And no, I don't include Joe Biden in that count because I'm sorry, Look, I don't want to get you in trouble on YouTube or whatever, so I don't believe that he got 80 million votes.
The guy never left his basement.
He doesn't inspire anybody.
He did not have a single message.
He can't string together a single coherent sentence.
And this idea of widespread voter fraud, I disagree with it.
I disagree with it.
I think the fraud was very surgical.
And if you look at the red waves happened everywhere, except for in areas that, in counties,
that Democrats absolutely had to win.
It was a zero sum game.
Look at John James in Michigan.
Look at Derek Van Orden, Navy SEAL in Wisconsin.
Those two guys lost.
Me and PA17, in the areas that Democrats had to win, in counties that they had to win
to carry key battleground states, they won.
Red wave everywhere else.
In Allegheny County, the president didn't lose the state of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia, right?
That's not where he lost.
He lost the state of Pennsylvania in Allegheny County, where Joe Biden had the second highest voter turnout ever
to Lyndon B. Johnson in 1964.
But in, and by the way, By the way, Joe Biden got a couple thousand fewer votes than Lyndon B. Johnson in 1964.
In 1964, Allegheny County was 30% more populous.
But in 1964, Allegheny County was 30% more populous.
tim pool
There is a very easy, simple explanation.
The media had been screaming, Orange Man bad nonsense.
sean parnell
That's correct.
tim pool
And then they launched universal mail-in voting.
And so what I was saying was, in the month or two leading up to the election, you're gonna have, this is really funny, I don't know who said this to me, I said, you're gonna have a parent, the mail-in ballots are gonna come into the house, and they're gonna go to their kids who are like, you know, 18, 20, and they're gonna be like, did you vote yet?
unidentified
You gotta vote!
tim pool
You gotta vote for the Democrats!
And the kids are like, I don't care, Mom.
And then I think it was maybe Michael Malice who said, no, it's gonna be the other way around.
The college kids come home and go to their parents and go, we got our belts!
You gotta vote!
And you gotta vote for the Democrats!
And the parents go, sure, fine, whatever.
I think one of the reasons why we see many of these votes were just for Biden, nobody else, was because these people don't vote.
They were like, orange man, bad, have a nice day.
sean parnell
Well, look, a couple things.
Like, let's just even say there was no fraud, right?
None whatsoever.
tim pool
I still contend... Well, Bill Barr said there was.
sean parnell
Well, of course... There was fraud, right?
There was.
tim pool
But Bill Barr said not enough to affect the outcome.
This was a new statement.
sean parnell
Look, my point is, let's just pretend that there was none.
This is still not a free and fair election.
You had the media parroting non-stop lies about the president every single day.
The mainstream media.
Most in the media.
And then you had big tech censoring stories that would have probably made people switch their vote from Joe Biden to Donald Trump.
The Hunter Biden story is a prime example of that.
You had the oldest newspaper in the country, right, the New York Post, come out with a story that was perfectly vetted, fact-checked perfectly.
You had Tony Bobuliski come out.
The media ignored it 100%, like something like 10% of the people who learned about this after the fact said, hey, if they knew about this Hunter Biden story going into November 3rd, they probably would not have Dude, you have secret ballot counting days after the election was done.
The alternative itself is enough to switch the outcome of the election.
tim pool
So the Democrats control the cultural institutions.
sean parnell
And yeah.
And so it's a problem.
And now now now with with Act 77 in the mail-in ballots, specifically in Pennsylvania, they
ian crossland
control the ballot box to do your secret ballot counting days after the election was done.
Oh, November 5th and 6th.
They're still counting on this foreign proprietary voter machines.
That's a Canadian. Well, Canadian corporation built this proprietary voting machine that
counts in secret.
I don't know anything about days after they need to know how many they need.
tim pool
It's insane.
The problem with the voting machines is not that they're counting in secret.
There's proper tabulation on these things.
The problem is that when Trump campaigned and others sued, the lawsuits were thrown out on procedural grounds.
ian crossland
It's not that they were proper or improper, it's that we don't know.
tim pool
Well, we don't know anything.
unidentified
I know.
ian crossland
There's no transparency.
unidentified
There's a lack of transparency, I should say.
tim pool
In Arizona, when they filed subpoenas for the voting machines to actually get the forensic analysis, you can see the vote counts.
You can see the signatures.
They're not doing it.
ian crossland
Oh, they gave us one?
tim pool
No, they blocked it and they said, we're going to court and we're not going to file the subpoenas.
They got subpoenaed and said, F you, we won't listen.
And in Georgia, when Trump said, we want a hard signature audit, they said no.
And they did like these sample audits.
So, every single time there's been someone saying, can we look at these machines, it's been a no.
And the one time we did, in Antrim County, the report came out saying, widespread, they claimed in this report, there were intentional errors in like 68% to force adjudication so an election official could choose where the vote goes.
That's the problem.
So yeah, transparency.
sean parnell
I would tell you, I'll tell you what happened very simply in the state of Pennsylvania, right?
There are all sorts of issues with this election.
You're looking at changes that were made in the middle of the game, right?
Unconstitutional changes to our election code and to voting in the middle of the game, right?
The Secretary of State in the state of Pennsylvania said, we're going to remove the signature verification for ballots.
We're going to remove any for mail-in ballots.
We're going to remove The postmark requirement for any mail-in ballot.
We're going to remove any semblance of a deadline for a mail-in ballot.
This was just a few weeks before the election.
So my point is, they used COVID to create chaos at the top.
They changed the rules at the last minute at the top, right?
And then add to that, at the next tier down, you had, you know, what I call Zuckerberg money that was invested in heavily Democratic counties like Allegheny County, I think got $2.2 million.
I don't know.
It wasn't from Zuckerberg directly, but it was it was from a shell corporation or something like that.
You can look it up on on Google right now and find it to pay election judges to boost their salaries, right?
This is this is all just look it up.
I don't think that this is legal, by the way, but I haven't seen lawsuits on it yet.
But you bank on it.
There will be lawsuits on this where they boosted the salaries of judges of elections.
They created remote satellite voting facilities where people could just show up at like an ice rink and cast their ballot.
And they funded drop boxes.
Yeah, and they funded drop boxes.
And then they had, and then, and then beyond that, and you had this issue in a Beaver County nursing homes that I've looked at, like granny harvesting, ballot harvesting in nursing homes.
You have ballots and issues of ballots of zero chains of custody in PA 17 that were cast, that we had stories and affidavits from people who heard people voting twice, right?
They mailed in a ballot and then they voted provisional.
I mean, there are all sorts of issues with this.
And all I'm saying, right, is that we should look into it.
This is the first time that we've used an all-mail-in system or no-excuse absentee system in the state of Pennsylvania.
This is the first time it's ever happened in the middle of a once-in-a-hundred-year pandemic.
Is it not okay to think critically about this and say, let's look into this a little bit to make sure that everything went as it was supposed to go?
Because every ballot that was cast illegally Cancels out a ballot of someone who showed up on election day to vote.
tim pool
There's no political willpower.
ian crossland
There's some.
tim pool
Listen, it's like I was saying, the Democrats will come into Congress and propose a bill to burn down the House and Republicans will say, only burn down the kitchen.
Instead of arguing, how about we don't burn down the House, they say, well, we'll negotiate with you on what you're asking for.
sean parnell
What upsets me is that how is it the responsibility of the citizen to prove these things?
Is it not the responsibility of the government to prove to the people that their elections are free and fair?
ian crossland
We are the government.
sean parnell
Yes!
And is it not the responsibility of the media to be a watchdog for the people and ask real questions about them?
tim pool
And this is why I'm pretty pessimistic on where we go next.
Because the media in this country is... they're Democrats.
sean parnell
That's true.
tim pool
I mean, the overall majority of all of these big media companies are pro-Democrat.
They would not report on Hunter Biden, even though it's probably one of the biggest stories
of the decade or longer.
And so they're not watchdogs, they're advocates.
And so you have advocates and we are headed towards California style one party rule.
You know what I love about California?
A year or so ago, probably two years ago, I was reporting on the rise of medieval diseases
in California because their government has failed.
And it's basically Democrat supermajority in all of these big cities.
And they saw a bubonic plague and like typhus, all of that happening just before COVID happened.
They were the worst prepared place.
Their policies were failures.
And you look at New York, which was the worst affected.
And once again, Democrat controlled.
So.
ian crossland
I would think it's not Democrat.
It's a corporatist issue.
They're corporatists masked with that Democrat phrase.
tim pool
Of course.
ian crossland
They chose to ally with that party for the moment.
tim pool
They're cronies.
And it's Republicans, too.
It's just that when Trump came into the Republican Party, some people sided with him and new people have now gotten elected and would have been someone like yourself.
A lot of the new Republicans that are coming in are good, regular people and supporters of the president and the working class individuals, populists, I suppose.
But there's too many, I mean the Democratic Party is almost exclusively like crony corporate types and the Republican Party is a lot of them.
So I don't know, I don't know how you change that.
ian crossland
We gotta work outside the system.
There's no fixing that system from within.
We need an external blockchain voting system that goes in tandem.
Something that works in tandem with the broken system so that you can outshine it.
tim pool
I see what you're saying, but listen, I just had to explain to somebody how the government printing 35% of all U.S.
dollars in 10 months was taking away their buying power.
ian crossland
I'll tell you what's civil disobedience, not paying that debt back.
Let me finish.
tim pool
They don't understand what that means.
And the little response is, what do you mean?
The government's giving me $600.
These people who are voting, Who are being given mail-in ballots universally, just appearing in their mailbox.
They're going, oh, I get, I get $600.
ian crossland
You're using an anecdotal argument.
You know, some stupid people.
That doesn't mean we can't work outside the system.
tim pool
That is nothing.
What are you talking about?
ian crossland
You're saying this anecdotal idiot.
That's like, oh, I got 600, bro.
That means that everyone, they're too stupid to create a new system.
I don't think that's true.
tim pool
You think people understand that the lockdown is destroying their buying power and transferring their wealth to the wealthy?
ian crossland
I think they're capable of understanding that.
Yeah.
tim pool
Yes, and so the problem right now is you creating a voting system won't change the fact that people don't understand how they are getting ripped off by crony fake representatives.
ian crossland
I'm not trying to solve the problem of people getting ripped off with the new voting system.
There are different problems we're talking about right now.
tim pool
Then why did you bring it up?
ian crossland
Because we need something that's transparent when we're talking about voting and how to fix the system so people like Sean can actually run for office and win.
tim pool
Right, so instead of you changing the subject, I was talking about the fact that we have universal mail-in voting corrupting the system by putting votes into the hands of people who have not been properly informed and educated because the media class is controlled by the Democratic Party.
So instead of being told, here's why you should vote for this, if you like this, this is for you, if you like this, this is for you, they're saying, this person's a fascist, you have to vote for this.
Well, I like your idea of taking R&D off, but I don't think you can ever stop, you know, manipulation, media manipulation.
for four years about the evil Cheeto dictator get about in their mailbox and go,
ian crossland
yeah Trump is bad I guess. Well I like your idea of taking R&D off but I don't
think you can ever stop you know manipulation, media manipulation. We just
tim pool
got to roll with that. Well we the problem is we have a corrupt big tech is
the main issue.
If we had an honest, censor-free social media, then people would start to get upset with seeing fake news, and then seek out alternatives.
You can't do that, because Google will ban you.
You can't even talk about some of these lawsuits, because Google will ban you.
sean parnell
I mean, we can't even say, I can't even say words in a certain sequence for YouTube.
tim pool
I know, it's hilarious.
sean parnell
Well, I mean, and the thing is, is that these aren't, this isn't like just me speculating, like, you know, release the crack.
tim pool
You're involved in a lawsuit.
sean parnell
I'm seeing it.
I'm involved in a lawsuit.
I'm seeing it firsthand.
This is not just me, and this is not This is not about me winning an election or Trump winning an election.
This is about Democrats and Republicans having faith in the system.
And, you know, Democrats right now, I mean, I find it funny when a lot of like establishment Democrats or, well, everybody basically in the state of Pennsylvania from the governor to the attorney general to the They all attack me now, but they attack me as if I'm a Republican, and what I'm doing is for the benefit of the Republican Party.
No, that's not true.
But it works.
No, it doesn't matter.
unidentified
It works.
sean parnell
The thing is for me is that I'm actually fighting for Democrats too now, because they might find themselves on the receiving end of unconstitutional mandates from a Republican governor someday that they might not like very much.
tim pool
I think we really got to get rid of party lists on ballots.
I think that would be a big first step to solving this.
If somebody goes in, if they get a ballot, they might know Trump is bad so they might not vote for him, right?
But if they get a ballot that says Conor Lamb, Sean Parnell, and they don't know who you are, then what do they vote for?
Right now people are voting on party lines and that's the problem because you end up, if you do that over a long enough period of time, We just had a transgender Satanist anarchist win the Republican primary in New Hampshire for sheriff because people just saw the Republican and voted for her.
And once they found out who they voted for, they freaked out.
Like, I can't believe I voted for this.
And it was like, that's interesting.
That's your fault.
sean parnell
I didn't, I heard something.
I saw something about that, but yeah, that's interesting.
tim pool
So I think we need that.
Getting rid of parties will be a good step, because people might just go and... I guess the problem there is, people might just vote for the first name.
You know, they might... And then, you know, whatever's on the ballot.
So we have to figure out... It's tough.
It really is.
Well... I don't... Look, I'll tell you this.
I don't know... I don't know if solution's the problem, but, um... I'm... I'm fairly, fairly pessimistic to the point where I'm going to... I can tell you are!
Going to be... Going to be buying a large... Large property in West Virginia.
I know.
And, uh... You know.
Now, to be completely honest, I don't want to make it sound like we're buying this property in West Virginia because we're freaking out and fleeing or anything.
We're doing it so that we can have ATVs and film videos and do skateboard jumps and stuff like that.
But I don't want to live in a city, that's true.
I don't want to be anywhere near these cities right now because of the riots, because of the potential for unrest, and I don't know what's going to happen come January 6th, but people are going to get angry.
sean parnell
Look, I don't disagree that we live at a highly divided time.
I don't disagree that maybe there are some rough times ahead, but I don't think that... I'm still going to fight like hell for the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and for this country.
I'm still going to fight to represent the people, whether you have a rank as a captain in the military or title of congressman or senator or governor, none of that.
Titles don't matter.
OK, but fighting for this country and fighting for really our children to make
sure that they inherit a country that's rich with opportunity, regardless of
their political views, that's worth fighting for for me.
And, you know, I'm going to stay in the fight for that reason and that reason
alone. Right on.
And so I I'm not going to run from it.
You know, I'm like I'm like.
A week away from painting my face blue and riding a horse on Harrisburg to lift
I'm so sick and tired of it because I'm sick and tired of seeing people struggle.
I never thought in my whole life that you'd see food lines in my hometown every single week by the thousands before Thanksgiving and Christmas.
It's not okay.
The government does not have a right to deny your ability to make a living.
ian crossland
Dude, in this technology era, where we have access to vertical farms and electricity almost at will, why is there so much poverty?
Why is there so much debt owed to the private bank, the Federal Reserve, now?
Why, why?
tim pool
Well, the issue of poverty is that it's relative.
If you're comparing somebody who makes less than $13,000 a year but has a refrigerator and air conditioning, clean running water, to somebody in like 1900 who was poor, it's dramatically different.
That person would be considered very wealthy by those standards.
The saying goes that a person living in poverty in the United States today has better dental care than Rockefeller did when he was, you know, the richest guy.
ian crossland
But they're in debt?
sean parnell
Well, I would say, I would also say that everything that you said is true.
Of course, poverty is relative.
But I would also say that many of the people that are in these food lines today, We're forced into poverty by their government.
And then many of these people who are in food lines today, because Governor Wolf never appropriated, took the appropriated funds to invest in our unemployment system, got shunted into the calcified bureaucracy of our unemployment system in the state of Pennsylvania, were never able to access the unemployment funds for them.
So not only were they forced into poverty, by our government in the state of Pennsylvania.
They weren't able to access their own benefits because of the government.
So now many people find themselves in food lines because of the government.
Now I'm just opposed to that.
I'm opposed to government intervention in our lives is a bad thing.
I think people, if left to their own devices, you know, again, we can protect ourselves from COVID and we can allow people to make a living.
tim pool
People need to be responsible for themselves.
But we should go to Super Chats.
unidentified
Hey, wait.
sean parnell
Before we go to Super Chats, are you going to open my gift?
tim pool
I am.
Right before we go to Super Chats, right now.
sean parnell
Oh, I put you on the spot.
You don't have to open mine.
tim pool
No, no, no.
I was going to do it right before we started Super Chats.
You just beat me to it.
sean parnell
Okay.
Now, he talked about this gift ahead of time, and he listed all these cool things that he thinks it might be, and it was none of those things.
And now I'm really worried that you're not going to like any of these things.
tim pool
That's going to be awesome.
So, Sean got me a present, I guess.
sean parnell
Yeah.
ian crossland
Is that a 5,000 pages?
unidentified
I didn't wrap it.
sean parnell
I didn't wrap it.
Melanie wrapped it because she's like literally the best rapper ever.
tim pool
You said it's something I asked for?
sean parnell
Yes, it's something that you asked for.
tim pool
It's gonna be really awful and embarrassing and get a ban from YouTube?
sean parnell
No, God, no, no.
But it's now I feel like it's going to be totally underwhelming.
ian crossland
Let's see the wrapping.
unidentified
I'm sure it's great.
sean parnell
But it's not just that this is the box underneath it.
unidentified
So you have to like go like open the box.
tim pool
It's Christmas, everybody.
unidentified
Yay!
sean parnell
You remind me of Ralphie from The Christmas Story.
Well, I don't want to— There's not going to be a pink bunny suit.
tim pool
No, but there's a label on the front.
That's what I'm trying to— Oh, oh.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
It kind of docks you.
sean parnell
Oops.
tim pool
What is this?
unidentified
Oh!
sean parnell
Open it up.
tim pool
This is a pretty good present.
sean parnell
Open him up.
Open him up.
tim pool
This is a pretty good present we got here.
sean parnell
Maybe a little bit self-serving.
unidentified
Oh yes, perfect!
sean parnell
But here's the deal.
These are all my books.
And for the people that are watching, you guys didn't even know that I really wrote books before I came on this show.
I don't come onto this program and hawk my product.
ian crossland
What's All Out War about?
sean parnell
These are all my books.
Tim, back me up here.
I have never come on the show.
I don't hawk a product on your show.
unidentified
Of course not.
sean parnell
You know that.
tim pool
You bring me a present.
sean parnell
You told me to bring it!
tim pool
I showed up.
I come out.
You're here and there's a box.
I'm like, oh.
And you're like, I got a gift for you.
I'm like, cool.
And then you're like, it's something you asked for.
I'm like, great.
unidentified
It is.
tim pool
And then I'm like, I'll open on the show.
And you're like, oh, if you want to.
I'm like, all right.
This was a very clever move.
sean parnell
No, it wasn't like that.
It wasn't like that.
tim pool
You told me.
sean parnell
Look, if I wanted to.
Look, if I were going to hawk my book on... I would have brought it the first time.
You didn't even know I wrote fiction.
I don't talk about this stuff.
The last time I was here, you were like, you should bring your books.
You should bring your books.
So I did.
tim pool
So you got me your books?
That's great.
sean parnell
Al Batun is my nonfiction book, but these are all my fiction books.
And we talk about the left controlling levers of power and cultural institutions.
Well, these books, like One True Patriot is my latest book, right?
And these books, I write about the threats that we face today, right?
So in One True Patriot, this massive cyber attack that penetrated all of our government institutions and the Department of the Army, all five branches of the military, the Office of the President, I wrote about that happening in One True Patriot months ago.
So I try to look at like the greatest threats that we face and put them in a story, an accessible story that people can like have fun with.
Right?
unidentified
Wow.
Yeah.
Wow.
sean parnell
This is a franchise of books.
ian crossland
What's the nonfiction one about?
sean parnell
If you like guns and stuff and tech, which I know you do, like there's lots of cool guns in the fiction.
ian crossland
Is that one about your platoon?
sean parnell
Yeah, this is the book.
Outlaw Platoon came out in 2012.
I started writing it in 2007.
But that book became an instant New York Times bestseller.
It was in 10 countries.
I think it just came out in China.
ian crossland
Is it about your platoon?
sean parnell
Yeah, it's about my platoon.
ian crossland
Were you guys forced to disobey orders and become outlaws or something?
sean parnell
I've gotten that question before, but no, that's just the name of my platoon.
That's awesome.
I was thinking the power of Tim's audience is kind of amazing.
Can you imagine if One True Patriot becomes a bestseller, and I'm already a bestselling author, so I'm not saying this is a thing that I need, but I think that I would make you Oh, good idea.
unidentified
Yes!
sean parnell
What's the alpha program?
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
I would. Oh, good idea. I'll make you the bad guy. Yes. I'll make you whatever you want in the next
book. You could be you could be in the Alpha program. What's the Alpha program? Oh, well,
the Alpha. So I kind of created the Alpha program. Oh, that's right. That's right. You told me about
last time. Yeah. So like there was all these times in Afghanistan where we get these missions to go
after these targets and like we know exactly where the guy was. Hey, I'm just let's just
take my platoon over there. Let's get this guy right now.
Like, we can get him, I can see him, he's standing right there, but you have to go through all these layers of bureaucracy before you get clearance.
By the time you get clearance, he's gone.
So I said, well, what if we developed a program called the Alpha Program that was not That didn't have to adhere to any sort of bureaucracy that gave the president a third option between diplomacy and war.
Right.
All out war.
And in this case, he'd lean on the alphas.
tim pool
Now, we used to have that.
sean parnell
We used to have that.
tim pool
So long time ago.
sean parnell
Yeah.
So the the Alpha program was was created in the wake of the OSS after World War Two.
There are nine alphas in the Alpha program, each each assigned to a different geographic area of the globe.
Right.
And these books follow Eric Steele, who is the youngest alpha part of the program.
He's the president's favorite.
And so he's like the president's fixer.
He sends him into really hot situations to fix global problems.
And so it's sort of like a Tom Clancy, Vince Flynn blend of a military political thriller.
tim pool
Now you need video games and movies.
sean parnell
Well, before I started running for political office, that's exactly what I was trying to do out there, working with some of these Hollywood producers to make a Netflix series and do all this cool, sexy stuff.
Writing stories and fiction is always something I've been passionate about, but I did not do this to hawk this product on your show.
I hope you know that.
I didn't even mention the fact that I wrote fiction when I first came here.
unidentified
That's true, you did not.
tim pool
Well, now we'll have him chilling and we'll read some superchats.
sean parnell
You're actually going to read them?
Because I'm going to quiz you.
unidentified
Do it!
sean parnell
You're not gonna read them.
tim pool
To be honest?
Probably not.
ian crossland
You gotta do your book on tape?
tim pool
But listen, listen.
We had Alex Jones on the show and he asked me to come on his show and I was like, eh.
And people were like, Tim, why won't you just at least lie to people?
I'm not gonna do it.
I'll tell you right now.
The reason why I probably won't read them is because I'm working all the time.
sean parnell
Well, I know you work non-stop.
You're the hardest worker I know.
ian crossland
Have you read them?
Done like a book on audiobook?
sean parnell
No, I mean, I don't read any of those.
ian crossland
Weird, you gotta do audiobooks.
tim pool
I'll probably read Outlaw Platoon for sure.
That looks awesome, yeah.
Yeah, because this is the kind of stuff, the perspective, the real world stuff.
For, you know, fiction and entertainment stuff, For the most part, I'll play some video games in some downtime.
If I need to, like, you know, get out.
But this is the kind of thing I'll probably, like, read at night.
Just because it's, like, actual, real-world conflict, war, and stuff.
sean parnell
That's cool.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, that's the important stuff.
sean parnell
You asked me to bring them, so I brought them.
And they were wrapped up.
tim pool
But I'll tell you this.
They will be read absolutely, almost immediately, by people here.
sean parnell
Yeah, so Man of War is the first one, All Out War is the second.
So they are in order, okay.
Yeah, they're all standalone stories, but have the same character.
I'm working on book four now, which is all about China, and all about the next level virus that comes.
Like COVID-19 was really just an economic and political weapon.
tim pool
Did you see Songbird, the movie?
sean parnell
No.
tim pool
COVID-22 or whatever.
sean parnell
Oh God, so I don't call it COVID, because if I ever hear the word COVID one more time, I can't.
tim pool
Well, let's uh, let's read some super chats because we got people who have asked some questions.
All right, let's see.
What's uh... Student of History says, the cops aren't Praetorian Guard.
Praetorian Guard liked offing the Emperor and auctioning the position would be... auctioning the position would be more like mercenaries.
Pay the gold and they do whatever you ask regardless of morals.
ian crossland
That was the Varangian Guard.
That was the Byzantine cadre.
tim pool
Let's see, Talbot Link says, I'm alive today exactly because I disregarded two orders and was proven right while enlisted.
All branches have troops that do the same spread around.
sean parnell
Interesting.
That's it.
That's it.
tim pool
Did you ever encounter a situation where you had to defy orders?
unidentified
No.
sean parnell
No.
tim pool
Do you know anybody who did or?
sean parnell
Yes.
Yeah.
I mean, one of my friends, Dakota Meyer, was awarded the Medal of Honor for it.
tim pool
Whoa, really?
unidentified
What did he do?
ian crossland
I've heard of him before.
sean parnell
Oh, Dakota Meyer is an amazing guy.
I mean, Dakota Meyer, I mean, you read it, just Google and read his story.
He won the Medal of Honor in Afghanistan.
tim pool
What's the gist of it?
sean parnell
Well, I mean, he ran in and out of fire.
ian crossland
Yeah.
sean parnell
He ran into a fire to save people's lives like five or six times.
tim pool
He tells the story or not to do it or whatever.
ian crossland
Yeah.
sean parnell
Yes.
ian crossland
He's on Jocko Willink's podcast and explains the whole thing.
It's insane.
sean parnell
Yeah.
ian crossland
About going into the valley.
sean parnell
He was on that podcast.
I think I don't know what episode he was.
He was like, but I was episode 192.
I think he was on before that.
But I talk about, yeah, Dakota's an amazing guy, but he got awarded the Medal of Honor for disobeying orders.
And I mean, I, for the, for the most part, I mean, I had great commanders in Afghanistan and in the field, I was the one issuing commands, you know, as the commander.
And so, um, I mean, there, there, there were, I didn't, I didn't encounter any of those situations.
tim pool
Right on.
unidentified
That's good.
tim pool
Wonder Racing LLC says, Sean Parnell, one of the last great American politicians, and he puts it in quotes, left in Western PA and our great state of PA.
Keep fighting, Sean.
Millions of patriots are behind you.
sean parnell
I will.
I will keep fighting.
I will.
You can bank on that.
tim pool
Andrew Lance says, Tim, as a typical Christian voter, all we want from our reps is for them to stop the left at the federal level.
We don't want them to invoke intrusive legislation.
We want to be left alone from federal government.
Your mandatory gun analogy angers me to no end.
It's not my analogy.
It was actually Michael Malice.
And the point was that The left will impose things, but the right doesn't argue on a right-wing argument's terms.
So I'm talking about... A better example is the lockdown.
The Democratic governors shut everything down, destroy the economy.
Republican... Then they'll say, okay, now that we've destroyed everything, you're relying on us and we'll give you a check.
Instead of Republicans saying, open everything back up and stop suppressing people's rights, they say, well, hold on, let's give them less money.
That's not an argument against what the Democrats have already done.
I think a better analogy for the gun thing would be like, you know, Barack Obama says you have to buy health care, otherwise you get fined.
It's basically, you know, criminal in some capacity.
Then Republicans should have said, okay, if you want that, then you have to pass this bill that says 2A shall not be infringed, period, in any capacity.
Something to defend the rights of people.
There's never, there's rarely, I should say, arguments from Republicans saying, here's what we are asking for and we want.
sean parnell
If what you're saying is true— Until President Trump, right?
tim pool
Right, exactly.
sean parnell
Trump does that.
tim pool
You're saying that people want to be left alone from federal government.
Okay, where are the Republicans right now putting bills forward saying the federal government, you know, and the government in general shouldn't be locking down and suppressing people's rights?
We just don't have it.
Did you hear that?
I heard that.
unidentified
Yeah.
sean parnell
You have it in me.
You have it in me.
I'm saying it.
tim pool
Well, no, so we have it— You're absolutely right.
We have it in Trump.
Right?
And that's why Trump won.
Because finally working class people and conservatives are tired of getting politicians who all they would do is wag the finger at Democrats and then give them what they want.
sean parnell
That's right.
tim pool
Someone told me Republicans, what do they do?
They roll over for Democrats.
That's what they're known for.
The established Republicans.
A ghost says, system is broken because people only know how to talk, but not how to act.
The First Amendment was written when people believed in things like chivalry.
Atlas will still shrug.
sean parnell
Well, deeds, yeah, he's right.
Deeds, not words, right?
You know?
tim pool
Yeah.
Jack Bailey says, The Bible says that in the last seven years before the rapture, that one of the nations that come about is represented by a lion with eagle's wings, and the eagle's wings shall be plucked, and the lion will stand as a man with a heart.
Really?
I'll look into it.
Paige in PA says, Sean, what are your thoughts on a federal single subject rule similar to that in Article 3, Section 3 of the PA Constitution?
sean parnell
Oh my God, really?
I have no idea.
I don't know how to answer that question.
tim pool
Do you know what Article 3 is?
sean parnell
No, I'd have to look at the PA Constitution.
I feel like I'm failing this person's question.
I am not an attorney.
I rely on attorneys to advise me on things, and then I develop my own arguments based on that legal advice.
But I am a knuckle-dragging warrior.
I'm not an attorney, and I won't even pretend to be one on your show.
All right, although I need you ready.
You know what you know what though I will get an answer for that.
I will get an answer for that question, and Tim, I will get it to you on your next podcast.
So I don't know, but I'll tell that person who asked the question.
What was the name?
Page from PA.
Page.
I will get an answer for you.
I don't know, but I will get an answer.
tim pool
We got a comment from someone who really doesn't like you.
You want to hear it?
sean parnell
Yes.
tim pool
It's a big super chat, too.
He basically said, Leech?
at symbol 1k you Parnell so I guess he's saying F you Parnell it's obvious that
you're a hack I hope that your quote political career ends up with you
humiliated and exposed as the leech that you apparently are leech what am I
leaching off of I don't know you apparently write books and you're
unidentified
already doing pretty well for yourself so I get that a lot Yeah, that's right.
I mean, yeah, okay.
sean parnell
Merry Christmas, dude.
unidentified
All right, let's see.
tim pool
Wandering Mage says, Tim, could you imagine if entire Republican counties decided to become autonomous zones with the declaration that they would not pay federal taxes to protest the nonsense political decisions?
What do you think?
First super chat.
It's very simple.
If any large group of people decides to do something, they instantly win.
sean parnell
That's exactly right.
Government derives its power from the consent of the governed.
Yes.
tim pool
So if every single person in the country just went about their lives like normal, there would not be a lockdown because you'd have Cuomo being like, why won't anybody do anything?
And no one listens to him.
If nobody listens to Cuomo, he's just a raving lunatic standing on the street corner screaming about how he's supposed to be in power.
If all of these Republican counties said we're autonomous, they would be.
And what's the government going to do?
Imagine this.
I mean, how many Republican counties are there?
Like 3,000 or whatever?
Because they're less populated than the Democrat tightly packed ones?
What's going to happen?
The National Guard going to get deployed?
The IRS going to get deployed to all these different places?
I'm not saying it's a good thing.
I think breaking up this country or civil war or anything like that would result in the U.S.
becoming extremely weakened, and then China's gonna be laughing all the way to subverting and destroying the country faster than they already are.
So, we really, you know, I've heard a lot of people say peaceful divorce, and I get it, because they don't want violence and stuff, but that means we're already in deep trouble.
ian crossland
It's only peaceful if both people want it to.
sean parnell
I don't want that.
I want to preserve this great country.
This country is great.
And by the way, like, diverse political opinions is also good.
Like, discourse and debate is also good.
Like, that guy that said F you to me?
Okay, that's great.
I don't mind that.
I can take it.
I've put myself out in the public sphere.
If people don't like what I have to say, they're more than entitled to say that.
But the difference is I won't censor them because I disagree with them.
tim pool
It's crazy how there are a lot of people on the left who insult me for a variety of reasons.
It's funny, I get the same.
The Young Turks did a segment basically calling me ugly for no reason either.
sean parnell
That's how the radical left is.
That's what they do.
They attack you personally.
They attack your personal life.
tim pool
We did a segment where I was citing five different studies that show conservatives tend to be more attractive than liberals.
And I was pointing out that a feminist explained this to me as a way to describe privilege.
Somebody who's been attractive their whole life has had an easier go of things, and they think, if it was easy for me, it's easy for you.
Not realizing they've had a privilege in their life.
The Young Turks decided to run the segment making fun of me and calling me ugly, but then ultimately saying I was correct.
It made no sense.
But here's the funny thing.
The way they made fun of me is the exact same way the hardcore Trump supporters make fun of me.
The thing that matters most?
I literally don't care.
So I question why the Young Turks would do a weird segment where they agree with me but then mock me.
Like, what are you doing?
Trump supporters who are making fun of me and calling me ugly or whatever, it's like, okay.
What am I going to do about it?
Am I supposed to cry?
I don't know.
Do you get called ugly often?
anything about it.
sean parnell
You get called ugly often?
I don't, I don't see that.
tim pool
I don't think it was, it was, it was the, the, the young Turks.
It was because specifically because I did a segment saying liberals were ugly, I
guess.
sean parnell
Yeah.
tim pool
And so they wanted to make an issue of it.
sean parnell
Yeah.
tim pool
But the point, the ultimate point is.
Why do people care so much about it?
You know, it's like, you're, you're going to get hate.
People are going to, you know, I go on, I can, I, if, if I really want to, you
know, just make sure I keep my ego in check, all I got to do is open my Twitter
notifications.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
And it's just a string.
sean parnell
I know.
ian crossland
I was like, do you read it?
These Twitter notifications are rough.
He's like, dude, if I wanted someone to hire like a, what would you call it?
An S and M someone to come whip you with the chain or something.
unidentified
Yeah, no, it's, it's, it's funny.
tim pool
Mike Jesus to Sean Parnell.
Great taste at GNR.
I'm wearing the same shirt today.
Also, Alex Padilla became the first Latin rep in CA and they're applauding this.
Meanwhile, Texas had its first rep in 1916.
We got some spicy superchats I can't read, but they're basically saying they, you know, Civil War.
unidentified
Oh, yikes.
tim pool
I mean, they're literally saying it.
And that's the issue I'm saying of, like, if conservatives are now spraying down cops with pepper spray, you don't want... Look, it's a quote from Joe Rogan that goes viral all the time.
Where he said, the guys who actually know what war is like, and who experienced it, are the ones saying, you don't want this.
sean parnell
We'll never advocate for it.
Exactly.
Exactly.
tim pool
And but in this quote, he says, and it's these, you know, it's like basically Antifa, they're screaming and demanding it.
And as soon as they open that floodgates, they're going to regret it.
sean parnell
Well, yeah, those who those who've seen the horrors of war almost never advocate for it openly.
And by the way, like I've mentioned this before in your podcast, I don't this nation can be saved.
And I would I would argue that great leadership can pull us out of this thing, you know.
And so, God, I hate to even I hate to even It bothers me that people feel so distraught and hopeless that that's right where their minds are right now.
But I'm here on this program saying don't give up hope.
Don't lose heart.
Stay in the fight.
America is worth fighting for.
And, you know, let's fight.
Fight with me.
Hell, if you're in Pennsylvania, stand with me and fight with me.
tim pool
Let's see.
Army Chief 2005 says, thank you for having this patriot on your show.
Uh, what's the third time now?
sean parnell
Yeah, I know, man.
This is crazy.
tim pool
And I know you're always welcome to come.
sean parnell
I didn't even hawk my book until the third time.
tim pool
Christmas!
It's a perfect time, actually.
You know, you guys should check out his book if it's the kind of stuff you like.
ian crossland
It's a business tactic.
You jab, jab, right hook.
So you just jab a couple times.
sean parnell
And if your viewers put one true patriot on the bestseller list, man, you're going to... Where can they buy it?
tim pool
But how do you do that?
How do you get on the bestseller list?
Oh, oh, so... You gotta sell a lot, right?
sean parnell
A couple- a few thousand books.
tim pool
Really?
ian crossland
That's it?
sean parnell
In a week.
That's it!
That's a lot!
I mean, like, you know, the problem with fiction, the reason why it's so hard to make the bestseller list in fiction is because you're going up against a guy like Stephen King, who has three books at any given time on the bestseller list.
tim pool
Or like, you know, the twelfth Harry Potter one.
sean parnell
Yeah, like, so, so yeah, you've got to- So which one, One True Patriot, you said?
That's the latest one.
That's the one that just came out.
If this- because I'm working on the next book now.
If your audience gets that book on the bestseller list, I'll put Tim and this entire podcast in the next book.
You'll be a main character in all my books moving forward.
tim pool
Have you seen Jack Posobiec's Agent Posobiec?
sean parnell
Oh yeah!
So I love what he's doing there because, again, it's not just the left.
tim pool
Culture is funny.
sean parnell
Yes!
Yes.
Politics is downstream from culture.
tim pool
Except I, he, so we brought some comics and I pointed to the art of him holding the gun with the weird attachment.
That's some kind of suppressor.
And he was like, I know, man, like people who, people, people who read this, like they know about guns.
sean parnell
I know the people that worked on that Jack is what Jack is, is great.
But the people who, who work in, I know that I know the artists who worked on that comic as well.
They're total pros, like Marvel and DC veterans.
They're good.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Right on.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's see what we got here.
Sol Invictus says, could not disagree more.
He says, violence is necessary because others will choose violence.
You have no choice but to retaliate.
If you have to do something horrible, do it quickly.
Don't force others to suffer.
Well, I think the important thing there is defense is acceptable in terms of the violence conversation.
Protecting yourself from someone who means to do you harm is legally...
sean parnell
I mean, and I would even go, yes.
And in Afghanistan, you know, what's so fascinating about this topic is that we never would have fired our weapons in Afghanistan unless we were fired, if we weren't fired on first.
The only time we ever shot our weapons is when we were shot at first in Afghanistan.
Outside of that, we were driving coloring books to kids and building wells and humanitarian assistance.
The problem is, we just got ambushed in direct fire attacks every time we left.
tim pool
I can easily disprove this comment on anyone advocating for violence.
It's really simple.
It's the reason why China isn't sending boats and planes and storming the beaches and attacking.
It's why they're using fifth-generational warfare.
Because violence isn't effective, especially in the information age.
It makes people not like you.
They won't listen to you, and they'll resist you.
The most effective thing you can do is win them over through propaganda and media manipulation.
That's fifth-generational warfare.
Money.
ian crossland
Finance.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
Buy them out.
tim pool
Exactly.
It's easier to give someone money than it is to try and force them to do something.
It's like, hey, I'll give you a thousand dollars if you do it, and people might just be like, okay.
unidentified
Antithetical?
tim pool
The other thing too is when it comes to what's going on with COVID, violence is
totally like, uh, antithetical.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
What I want to say is like, it would have the opposite intended effect.
If everybody who's upset with the COVID lockdown just said, okay, I'll go and open
my business.
There wouldn't be one.
sean parnell
It'd be over.
tim pool
Like, it's like, this is what I explained to people when I was little.
I'd have a friend and I'd be like, Hey, you want to go skate?
He'd be like, I can't, I'm grounded.
And I would go, okay, do you wanna go skate?
I can't, I'm grounded.
I'm like, what does that mean?
My parents told me I can't go outside.
And I would say to this, what would happen if you go outside?
He's like, I'll get grounded again.
I'm like, oh, and then what happens when they ground you again?
And then you go outside again.
ian crossland
And he's like- Well, they walk into your room and they take your TV, they yank it out of the wall, they take all your toys.
sean parnell
But now you're comparing the governor of Pennsylvania to parents.
tim pool
No, no, what I'm saying is, If the lockdowns are, like, if you can't open your business because someone said don't open your business, but you could literally walk into your business and open the door, then there's no lockdown.
sean parnell
If the kid, if my kids are for some reason watching this, or your daughters are for some reason watching this, If you're grounded, you're grounded.
unidentified
Yeah.
Well, so I was like, no one's leaving the house.
tim pool
When I was like 15 and I'm telling my friends, the worst thing that's gonna happen is they're gonna keep
telling you can't go outside.
But if you're grounded and you can go outside, then grounding you doesn't do anything, does it?
If they're telling you you're all locked down, you can't open your business and everyone says,
we're gonna open our businesses.
ian crossland
They can't do anything about it.
But they can come, like, audit you, and take your money out of your bank account.
Well, if the individual, they can go after individuals, but if everyone at once does it, the system changes.
tim pool
That's exactly it.
If people just said, I'm gonna non-violent civil disobedience.
sean parnell
And I think the reason why people don't, and specifically in this regard, is because people want to protect They're fellow citizens, right?
But my point is that we can do both responsibly.
We can both open up and protect public health.
tim pool
Nuke the ice caps, says, and great name by the way, left and right, now disowning the police.
Everybody is absolutely at their breaking point.
When we get to this point, we have to ask why.
When they will not allow us to ask why.
There really isn't a choice.
Left is there.
Merry X-mas, lady and gentleman.
sean parnell
Merry Christmas.
Don't lose faith in the police I have and I stand with them.
And again, this is a leadership issue.
You know, if leaders stood up and said, keep your businesses open, keep your restaurants open, police don't enforce unconstitutional orders, stand with the people, this problem and these lockdowns would be over tomorrow.
tim pool
A lot of people mentioning that right when we started the show, Trump said, F the COVID relief bill.
ian crossland
So awesome.
sean parnell
Yeah.
Did he really say that?
Did he really?
unidentified
I mean, it really wouldn't surprise me!
tim pool
Especially at this point.
ian crossland
Merry Christmas.
tim pool
Rita Ho says, good job on pronouncing fang fang.
Well, it's because we had China Uncensored and they told us how to pronounce fang fang.
Everyone says fang fang.
sean parnell
I think I said fang fang.
unidentified
Yeah.
It rhymes with a different word.
sean parnell
Yeah.
unidentified
That's why I went right there.
sean parnell
Yeah.
tim pool
The Civic Nationalist says, from the British Empire to the colonies, Merry Christmas, one and all, God save the Queen.
To quote the Joker, you get what you effing deserve.
Shoulda just paid them taxes.
unidentified
Hey!
Objection.
tim pool
So here's a joke I made.
When you have these electoral candidates for the Republican Party.
sean parnell
Hey, wait a second!
He said we get what we deserve!
Didn't the UK just lock down because of some mutated strain?
You're the one missing out on Christmas!
tim pool
Got you, UK!
They're expecting food shortages.
sean parnell
I know, it's tragic.
tim pool
Because the borders are just shut.
unidentified
That's not good.
sean parnell
I know, it's terrible.
ian crossland
What have they done?
tim pool
But here's what I said, when people, you had these Republican electoral candidates, so they're not the electoral candidates for the Republican side, cast procedural votes so it's on record in the event Trump overturns some elections.
And you have the Democrats saying they're not legitimate votes.
And I'm like, sure, I understand.
In terms of the constitutional process with the electoral colleges, the votes from these aren't official.
And I'm sure When the Founding Fathers signed the Declaration of Independence, sent it to, you know, to the king, the king looked at it and said, by what authority do any of these people have to say their country is independent?
They're not, because it's our country.
And that's it.
It's all an issue of confidence.
I'm certainly not saying the Republican electors are, like, declaring independence or anything like that.
What I'm saying is, if right now everybody woke up and they just said the government has no authority, it would have no authority.
Now, they could go and try and enforce the law, but if literally, like, I hear a lot of people saying, like, tax strikes, like the left talks about this stuff too.
Yeah, if nobody was paying taxes, then there would be no authority, but it's an issue of organizational power, and people pay taxes.
I think the issue is, you'll hear people say, everyone should stop paying taxes or whatever, and it's like, yeah, but most people in this country don't care.
And they're fine with paying taxes?
The problem is these lockdowns are destroying the lives of regular people who are at their breaking point, and now this is where things get, you know, crazy.
That's when you got to be worried about what people are going to start doing.
sean parnell
All of it could end if we just lifted these unscientific lockdowns.
tim pool
Protect the vulnerable.
sean parnell
Yeah.
tim pool
Special protections for nursing homes and for people who have, uh, you know, pre-existing conditions.
sean parnell
Absolutely.
And also direct resources to those programs as well to protect those people.
ian crossland
From a 99.7% recovery rate.
99.99% survival rate.
sean parnell
This is across the entire globe, every age group, right?
ian crossland
The world, the human world locked down, shut down their businesses for a virus with a ninety nine point nine percent.
sean parnell
What I say and I say like if and again, I'm going to I'm going to say we should definitely we should take it seriously.
We should protect the vulnerable.
I've got to say it every single time because I'm telling you, some leftists will take this out of context and attack you with it later.
But but if this virus were as bad as some are making it out to be, the government would not have to mandate people stay home.
ian crossland
It's often.
tim pool
So this one's this one's funny.
Have you guys heard about this new signal that came out of Proxima Centauri?
ian crossland
Negative.
tim pool
That was like.
So there's something called the Wow signal.
It was, you know, we're scanning the space and we have this weird radio signal.
Well, another one just happened.
We got a super chat.
The alien radio signal from Proxima Centauri has been decoded.
Sixty thousand mail-in votes for Biden.
unidentified
Oh, OK.
ian crossland
Unsurprisingly, it took a few weeks to get here.
tim pool
Mafu says, Type 6 if you're going to DC on January 6th.
There will never be a Biden presidency, he says.
You know, have you heard about what's going on January 6th?
You know, Alex Jones put out a video where he said 10 million people will descend on DC, will occupy DC.
sean parnell
I don't know what to say to that.
I don't know anything about that.
tim pool
Uh, so it's a big protest plan for the day that the joint session is going to happen.
And, um, you know, I've had some people hit me up saying they're going to DC that I don't think are particularly politically active in that sense.
So I wonder if there's going to be, I think there's going to be a really massive protest in, uh, in DC on the 6th when the joint session is supposed to happen.
sean parnell
We'll see.
Yeah, we'll see.
tim pool
Daniel Maxwell says peace requires that all factions involved desire peace.
Violence results when one faction chooses to use force to get their way, and war results when one or more of the remaining factions decides to defend themselves.
Interesting.
sean parnell
Yes.
tim pool
XD Interactive says, D.C.
was appropriated for government use.
It can't be a state by the Constitution, and that is not an amendment.
It can't be changed.
At worst, they could give it back to Virginia.
That's the thing.
When they say make D.C.
a state, that makes no sense.
The reason why D.C.
is federal property is because the federal government operates outside of the states, and the Founding Fathers, or at the time, the Federalists, didn't want one state to have control over the jurisdiction the federal government operated in.
sean parnell
I agree.
I just think that the left doesn't care about the Constitution.
The radical left does not care about the Constitution.
unidentified
Oh, of course.
tim pool
Yeah.
TheCaptainZ says, SouthwesternPA here.
Green and Washington wouldn't take this stuff, nor are the counties that bear their names.
If there is a divorce, do it county by county, not state by state.
We have the food, the energy, and the power plants.
ian crossland
California actually has a lot of... They also had a team working with them, like Ben Franklin, John Adams, and they were writing documents and new forms of governance so that they could not just destroy the system but create something new.
tim pool
And actually a lot of people don't know this, I could be wrong about this, but there was some inspiration from Native American governance because a lot of them were tribal and they had certain voting processes that the Founding Fathers looked at and were like, we could incorporate that somehow, that's interesting.
Eddie Johnson.
Oh, we have a correction here.
He says it's Mossy Rock, not Mossy Brook.
Went to a restaurant to support them and they had customers coming from three or four hours away to support them.
Wow.
Mossy Rock, Washington.
Interesting.
Bernard Kim says, like the idea of obfuscating parties of candidates, but people will just look on Google the party without doing much more research past that, but it's still better than nothing.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Because then you get low information voters going, I don't know, and then they don't vote.
And you don't want people, like could you, we can't have people voting based on just party, because that doesn't mean anything.
sean parnell
It certainly doesn't change much.
Right, right.
unidentified
Yeah.
All right, let's see.
tim pool
People hated the riots.
Harcat says, Tim, you say we must resist, yet any and all resistance is seen as crazy
and extreme.
If we're basically being told to our face to die and starve while terrorists on the
left run free, what do we do?
Non-violent civil disobedience.
People hated the riots.
The riots caused a massive drop in support for Black Lives Matter, and the Democrats
are freaking out because of it.
unidentified
Mm hmm.
tim pool
Just showing up and, you know, success, success is the best revenge, I guess I say, right?
sean parnell
Patronize your small business, show up to restaurants and order food, like help them, help them get by, help them see this crisis through.
tim pool
Yeah.
That's just, just it.
sean parnell
Like help your neighbor, you know, be there for people when they're hour of need.
tim pool
All right, let's see what we got here.
Bunch of comments that are saying things I can't read on YouTube, but YouTube allowed them to type it in because they don't like me.
Context.
Algorithms don't know context.
Skeleton King says, Sean, when do we occupy Harrisburg?
unidentified
I just said I was ready to ride on a horse and paint my face blue.
sean parnell
They're ready.
I know, I know.
Gosh, I'm close to it.
I'm almost there.
unidentified
I'm almost there.
Do it and take pictures.
tim pool
Rene Villareal says, just got all seven of my brothers a copy of Sean's book for Christmas.
sean parnell
Oh, snap!
unidentified
Looks like you're going to be a main character in the book real soon, Tim!
tim pool
A main character?
sean parnell
I mean, I'll make you the damn villain.
I don't care.
tim pool
The villain?
sean parnell
Well, you could be in the Alpha program if you want.
I mean, you could do whatever you want.
ian crossland
Have him be co-opted by Chinese spies, but he doesn't know it.
sean parnell
I mean, you could be an Alpha informant.
tim pool
No, it'd have to be like, uh, uh... What do you want?
sean parnell
You want to be a spy?
tim pool
No, like, maybe, maybe, not a spy, but maybe someone who provides, like, you know, intel.
Right?
sean parnell
So... Yeah, human source?
A human source?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
sean parnell
So it's like, you know, we got these guys... Oh my god, that would totally work with, with your, with your persona as, like, a vice reporter.
tim pool
Yeah, a guy who knows a bunch of people.
sean parnell
Oh dude, I already got a story arc for you.
It's already done.
I already got it.
tim pool
When you got the questions that need answers to, you got to come on Tim Casserole podcast.
We have too many people come in and out of this place, you know?
I hear secrets.
Whisper.
sean parnell
Exactly.
ian crossland
He's part of the Illuminati now.
tim pool
Exactly.
Oh yeah.
sean parnell
I mean, that would be... If this audience puts that book on the bestseller list, that would be insane.
That would be crazy.
ian crossland
You just have a stink bug land on your shirt, I think.
unidentified
Where?
Oh, there he is.
Oh yeah, she's flying around.
tim pool
They're a little clumsy.
Things are kind of funny.
ian crossland
I like them.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
And repeat says, did Sean just say if the leaders tell the police to not enforce unconstitutional orders?
Really?
Did the police take an oath to uphold the constitution or an oath to be mindless order followers?
Shaking my head.
That's an oath to uphold the constitution.
And many of them are just mindlessly following orders.
sean parnell
Well, I was just saying that the police have been put in very tough positions because part of their oath is to protect and serve, and they believe in the midst of this pandemic that they really are protecting people's lives by keeping them socially distanced.
They're in a tough spot, but I say Always fall back on what is constitutional and what is not.
The government cannot tell you what you have to wear in your own home.
The government cannot tell you how many people you can have in your own home.
The government cannot tell you that you're not allowed to make a living for your family.
So fall back on the Constitution and let it be our guide in times of crisis, because that is our shield.
The Constitution protects all of us from authoritarian government overreach, Democrat, Republican, or Independent, otherwise.
tim pool
Jamie Arzola says Tim Pool is the reincarnation of Hunter S. Thompson.
I don't think so because he was like crazy on drugs.
ian crossland
But not in the beginning.
sean parnell
Who is that?
tim pool
Hunter S. Thompson?
sean parnell
I don't know who this is.
tim pool
Are you sure?
Are you being serious?
sean parnell
Oh yeah, I know who he is!
Of course!
ian crossland
He's a writer that went and took a bunch of drugs with his lawyer, drove across the country, did Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
That guy was on a ton of drugs.
sean parnell
I didn't know that.
tim pool
But Jamie else says, shout out to the United States Marine Corps.
sean parnell
Semper Fi.
tim pool
There you go.
Yeah, he was, just because there's a Bill Murray movie, I don't know, I assumed you probably would have seen it.
sean parnell
Fear and Loathing?
Yeah.
Of course I know that.
ian crossland
Johnny Depp plays Hunter.
sean parnell
I didn't know that.
tim pool
Oh, there you go.
ian crossland
He's a pretty prolific writer.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
The Dutch Master says, I've never been to a protest before, but I am 35 and I've been politically active since 16.
I'm flying to DC from Seattle to participate in the protest.
sean parnell
Wow.
tim pool
It's gonna get spicy.
Brandon Tom says, Alpha Project, the pool identity.
sean parnell
Ooh.
tim pool
Ben Jamin says, Tim, you should live stream the January 6th boots in the ground.
I'd love to meet you.
So we were actually thinking about going to DC for the 6th event and doing the show from the production van or whatever, but the internet's gonna be down because there's gonna be too many people.
That's why we can't do it.
Unless we had a satellite dish, but we don't have that, so...
Let's see.
DTWiz says, where do 10 million protesters use the bathroom?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And that's the big challenge.
ian crossland
You know the answer to that.
tim pool
TitanTech90 says, I bought all of his books.
Looks like Tim Poole is going to be a main character of a book.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Well, specifically.
sean parnell
First of all, I was, I can't, that would be insane.
I mean, I didn't even.
tim pool
That people are actually gonna buy your book?
Well, of course they'll buy your book.
sean parnell
No, I'm just saying it's very, very difficult to get a fiction book on the bestseller list.
But it's amazing.
Your audience is awesome.
tim pool
I mean, right on.
Yeah.
Good compliment from Sean Parnell to all you guys watching it.
sean parnell
I mean, seriously, every time I come on the show, I mean, yeah, I hear from hundreds of people who watch you.
And I think what's interesting, Tim, is that like, In times of sort of universal deceit, people seek truth and have a craving for truth.
I think your show is one of the shows that they turn to in this time.
tim pool
See, I gotta point out again, when Alex was on the show and he said, I want you to come on my show, and I was like, eh, I'm probably not gonna do it.
People were like, they expected me to be polite and just lie.
sean parnell
Does Alex still have a show?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
Band.video.
tim pool
He's doing really well with it, actually.
That's his new website.
I don't really know anything.
I checked out Bandot video a while ago, it's where he has his own...
He basically cloned YouTube.
And he gets good... he gets good viewership.
I mean, the dude clearly is still doing well for himself.
sean parnell
But I wasn't trying to... I'm not trying to...
I don't really know anything. I haven't ever watched any of his stuff.
But... yeah, I mean, to be honest, I've only seen a lot of the clips.
tim pool
I mean, to be honest, I've only seen a lot of the clips.
sean parnell
I've only seen him driving through an MRAP screaming out of a megaphone.
That's literally, like, all I know from Alex Jones.
tim pool
The point is, I'm not trying to be mean to him by saying, like, I don't know, I probably won't do it, because I work non-stop.
So when you say, like, you're going to read my books, I'm not going to lie to you.
I could.
I'm not going to do it.
sean parnell
Well, I mean, that doesn't surprise me.
tim pool
I'm not trying to be mean, though.
But I'll read this one for sure, like, definitely.
That one really, you know, is intriguing.
sean parnell
I mean, I don't take offense to it at all.
I love reading.
tim pool
I've read voraciously.
People send us books like crazy, and the best part is we get a lot of manifestos.
So I have a P.O.
box at TimCast.com slash donate, and we get manifestos all the time.
And I feel kind of bad.
sean parnell
This, this bodes well for a character in a fiction book.
Oh my God.
And my mind is already going crazy.
tim pool
Some of them are crazy.
I got one that was probably like 300 pages once.
And I'm like, I could never read this.
I like, you know.
sean parnell
Could you imagine if you get a manifesto in this story and the manifesto is actually.
tim pool
Like the diary of a guy involved in some crazy.
sean parnell
Crazy terrorist plot that all of a sudden now the alpha program has to step in.
tim pool
That implicates certain government individuals that are infiltrated by the CCP.
sean parnell
Yes!
I know.
See, you're already there!
I can tell.
You're already with it.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Let's do a couple more Super Chats here.
Nathan Nat says, in response to the Marine shout-out, rah!
There you go.
sean parnell
There you go, Semper Fi!
tim pool
Robo Cheez-It says, hey Tim, love the show.
sean parnell
Robo Cheez-It.
I love it.
I love Cheez-Its.
unidentified
Please.
sean parnell
They're just delightful.
unidentified
Robo Cheez-It.
tim pool
All right, he says, please add when you live on different time zones, so when you're live on different time zones, so people like me who move a lot could find it easier and would also love to listen live.
It is 8 p.m.
Eastern, Monday through Friday.
Sean Hollywood says Trump to compel SCOTUS to intervene.
How?
Mike Pence to ignore contested state.
This will trigger House to elect Trump.
Biden will go to SCOTUS to contest.
Cases will be reviewed on merit.
I don't think... I think there's no political willpower.
sean parnell
Like, you have three Trump appointees who are just like... Can I tell you... Look, I've got to be careful because I've got a case in front of the Supreme Court now.
And I want to go into this saying that I absolutely respect the justices on that court and whatever verdict they would come to in my case, Tim.
I do think that the Supreme Court is also an inherently political body, and I do think that part of some of the justices are making the calculation, and again, this is just speculation, I can't stress that enough, that they're saying they want to be able to turn around to a Biden administration and say, look, we didn't rule on this stuff.
There's no need to pack the institution of the Supreme Court.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Oh my God.
sean parnell
They think... Well, I mean, they're trying to preserve the institution.
What they're doing is they're saying elections are every four years, but the institution of the Supreme Court is sacrosanct.
tim pool
So they basically think that even if they did rule in favor of Trump, they'd still lose.
So their best bet is to, you know... Play politics?
Beg to Biden or the Democrats not to disrupt the court.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
We need a robot to be the Supreme Court.
sean parnell
I also think that if you're a justice, I think that that's probably, I think that that's reasonable.
I mean, I don't, I don't, I'm not saying, I want them to take up my case on the merits.
I think it's a strong case.
I think what violates the state constitution violates the federal constitution.
The federal government delegates powers to the states to conduct elections as long as the states run elections in accordance with their state constitution.
That did not happen on a number of different levels in the state of Pennsylvania.
The case is strong.
The Supreme Court should take it up.
Um, but it's, it's an explosive case.
There's a constitutional crisis, but also let's not forget that the Supreme Court is an inherently political body and, and bureaucracies in general protect themselves, you know?
And, and I think the justices are seeking to protect the institution of the Supreme Court.
I mean, that has to be part of their calculus.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, Sean, thanks for coming and hanging out.
unidentified
Oh, absolutely.
tim pool
Merry Christmas.
sean parnell
Hey, Merry Christmas to you guys, too.
Thanks for having me as usual.
tim pool
Do we have to say happy holidays?
unidentified
No.
sean parnell
No.
ian crossland
No, we don't.
unidentified
Merry Christmas.
ian crossland
Monica, what else is there this time of year?
Kwanzaa.
unidentified
Kwanzaa, yeah.
ian crossland
Happy holidays to you and yours.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Happy holidays.
sean parnell
Yeah.
tim pool
Merry Christmas, everybody.
Merry Christmas.
sean parnell
Thanks for having me again.
tim pool
I, you know, I know people who don't celebrate Christmas who are like, when I was younger, they're like, I don't understand why they even say happy holidays.
Like, who cares?
ian crossland
What would Jesus do if he was around today with the internet?
Something like this?
Make a show?
Talking about Christ, right?
tim pool
Make sure to follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, at TimCast.
My other YouTube channels can be found at YouTube.com slash TimCast and YouTube.com slash TimCastNews.
We do the show live Monday through Friday at 8 p.m.
so make sure you come hang out tomorrow because we have people coming to hang out tomorrow.
And also, if you guys want to, get Sean Parnell's book, One True Patriot, is the right one, right?
sean parnell
That's the new one, yeah.
tim pool
One True Patriot on the bestseller list.
You only need to sell, what, a few thousand?
sean parnell
I think a few thousand copies gets you on the list.
It's, I know you say only, but that's really, it's really difficult.
tim pool
Well, because I hear stories about like 500,000 copies sold or whatever.
sean parnell
Well, I mean, if you want to make number one on the fiction list, you got to sell 500.
I mean, some, it depends on who's on the list.
I mean, sometimes it's 5,000 copies, sometimes it's 10.
Uh, but I think five, 6,000 copies gives you a good shot to get on the list.
tim pool
But Sean Parnell himself is one true patriot and he's got a book.
sean parnell
I see what you did there, Tim.
And I like it.
unidentified
I love it.
tim pool
So do you want to mention your social media or anything?
sean parnell
Oh yeah, I'm at SeanParnotUSA on Twitter and on Parler and you can follow me on Facebook and Instagram as well.
tim pool
And you very conveniently got me all of these books for Christmas just to open them up.
sean parnell
You asked for them, Tim.
You asked for them.
Let's not leave that out for your audience.
You asked for them.
tim pool
You said, bring them down, dude!
sean parnell
Sign them!
And they're signed.
tim pool
Oh, they're signed.
unidentified
Excellent.
ian crossland
Where's the best place to buy them?
sean parnell
Oh, you can get them anywhere books are sold.
And there are audiobooks out there as well.
It's really kind of cool to be able to write a franchise.
Now they're going to be worth money.
tim pool
When this makes the bestsellers, I'm going to be like, what was the first edition?
sean parnell
I'm going to find them on eBay tomorrow under Tim Holt's eBay profile.
tim pool
Right on, right on.
Anything else you want to promote?
sean parnell
No, man, I really do appreciate, as usual, Tim, you're great to me.
I love coming on the show, I love talking about your stuff.
tim pool
Yeah, I loved the opening conversation about your military service, too, because getting into that's cool.
That's why I definitely will start reading Outlaw Platoon.
Cause this to me is like, you know, I've been in civil unrest and civil conflict.
I don't know, whatever you'd call a revolution in Egypt was like the peak of the craziness.
But, uh, you know, so reading this and reading more about the actual full blown conflict.
sean parnell
That book is, is not, it's, it's a studiously nonpartisan book.
It's just about close infantry combat and a year and a half of it.
ian crossland
The media really fed us like a, kind of a storybook.
Not like, hey, no violence really even happened during the war.
We just went in and made sure everyone was safe.
sean parnell
It's not, it's, it's funny that you say that because when we went into Afghanistan, I mean, we thought we were going into a stability and support operation and it, we could not have been more wrong.
It was intense, close infantry combat for 16 months.
And it's all in that book.
tim pool
Smash that like button, everybody.
Subscribe.
Share.
Yeah.
sean parnell
Smash the like button!
tim pool
We have a graphic now.
sean parnell
You need to get reverb with it.
Smash the like button!
tim pool
You can also follow Ian.
ian crossland
Yes!
Follow me, guys, at Ian Crossland.
I want to give a special shout out to Jesus Christ, because we were talking a lot about Christmas, named after him, Christ, you know, the Anointed One.
He may not be the only prophet, but he spoke the truth to power.
If he'd been a little smarter or maybe had better technology, they might not have found him and cut his head off.
tim pool
He got sold out, bro.
ian crossland
Yeah, his buddies sold him out.
tim pool
30 pieces of silver.
ian crossland
But let's see if we could live like Jesus and do it right this time.
tim pool
And how many, and I'll say this, I'll be controversial, especially with you here, to the police officers who are being told to enforce unconstitutional or even outright illegal edict in exchange for 30 pieces of silver, you must reject it.
Yeah.
You can also follow Sour Patch Lids.
unidentified
You can.
Sour Patch Lids.
L-I-D-S.
sean parnell
I do.
She's a good follow.
unidentified
Oh, thank you.
I appreciate that.
tim pool
Spicy memes.
ian crossland
Interesting takes.
tim pool
Right on.
We'll be back tomorrow, so make sure you smash that like button on your way out.
And thanks for hanging out, everybody.
We'll see you tomorrow at 8 p.m.
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