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Dec. 24, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Trump Vetoes NDAA In Massive Middle Finger To Establishment w/ Joey Salads
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you you
tim pool
you President Donald Trump has followed through on his threat
to veto the National Defense Authorization Act which is a massive I
think it's like 750 billion dollar bill that essentially authorizes national
defense There's a couple interesting things in it.
Most notably is an amendment that was added in July that curtails the president's power Uh, to invoke the Insurrection Act.
It would require some kind of certification through Congress, which essentially defeats the purpose of the Insurrection Act, I guess.
But Trump vetoed it not because of this.
He vetoed it because he said Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act must be repealed.
Now that would be a huge mistake.
It would likely result in... You know what?
I don't... I wonder if they would ban this show.
They probably would.
We'd probably be banned instantly.
You'd see the likes of, you know, Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro.
They'd be gone overnight.
Because what Section 30 does is it makes it so that YouTube can't be sued for the things said by me, Ben Shapiro, or Kyle Kalinske, or Steven Crowder, or anything like that.
That you'd have to actually sue those individuals for defamation if they defamed you.
If you get rid of Section 230, then you would just sue YouTube for YouTube, you know, is the one who published the content.
I certainly think Section 230 has its problems.
We need reform.
I don't think they're going to repeal it.
Mitch McConnell is saying he's going to come back in on the 29th and override Trump.
Which is a good sign that just before one of the most important elections for the Republican Party, the Republican Party has more than enough knives to place, figuratively, in Donald Trump's back.
Which means probably Trump supporters aren't gonna support the Republican Party in that capacity, but we'll see.
We got a lot to talk about.
We'll talk about Nancy Pelosi and this COVID stimulus package and stuff.
But we got a cool guest today.
You may be familiar with him from his congressional campaign.
Former congressional candidate Joey Salads has joined us.
joey salads
I told you not to reference me like that.
tim pool
I told you I was gonna do it.
Introduce yourself!
joey salads
So yeah, I'm Joey Salads.
I do pranks and political stuff.
I don't know.
tim pool
There you go.
joey salads
I don't feel like I'm worthy to be on this show.
unidentified
What do you mean?
ian crossland
Oh, you're more than worthy.
tim pool
Yeah, what are you talking about?
You have like millions of subscribers.
unidentified
I don't know.
joey salads
It's all demonetized.
I don't even post pranks anymore on YouTube, so I don't know.
tim pool
You get like tons and tons of views.
ian crossland
Dude, your prank stuff was pioneering, man.
joey salads
It was.
I was pioneering that stuff, but...
tim pool
Some controversial, for sure.
But then you ran for office, so now you're officially a former congressional candidate.
That's your official honorary title.
unidentified
Forever.
joey salads
It's like, oh, I'm officially a loser.
unidentified
No.
lydia smith
Congrats.
tim pool
But we can talk a lot about a lot of stuff, too.
It's interesting.
I think you're probably one of the best people to talk to about internet censorship, Section 230.
Not only are you one of the... When did you start on YouTube?
joey salads
I started on, I've been doing YouTube since it came out.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
joey salads
And that was like, as a kid, you know, fourth grade, that was my dream.
I want to be a YouTuber.
That's what I want to do.
tim pool
And you did it.
joey salads
And I ended up doing it.
unidentified
There you go.
joey salads
You gotta do it every single day, kids.
If you're at home and you want to be a YouTuber, just do it every single day.
And eventually, if you make good stuff, Be smart, get better, right?
tim pool
We're going to talk about this because the NDAA stuff overlaps with censorship and big tech, and it will be an interesting conversation.
Of course, Ian's chilling.
ian crossland
What up, Holmes?
And I've got the super male vitality.
tim pool
That's Michael's.
ian crossland
Michael, thank you.
Mr. Malice, Dr. Menace.
tim pool
He left it here.
ian crossland
It was so good that I put some in my coffee.
tim pool
Does it taste good?
ian crossland
Yeah, I tasted it.
It's sweet.
unidentified
Interesting.
ian crossland
I liked it so much.
tim pool
I don't even know what it is.
ian crossland
You should have some.
joey salads
No, I'm good.
ian crossland
Just in case you change your mind.
tim pool
Super... Michael Malice's Super Male Vitality Info Wars Life, it says.
ian crossland
Alright.
tim pool
It's really amazing how supplements are like the go-to thing that people sell.
What's up with that?
lydia smith
You can't tell if they work?
tim pool
I think I did like two or three ads for a supplement that was a collagen supplement.
ian crossland
That's good for you.
tim pool
But it's because I'm like an old man and I skate.
ian crossland
I've been taking beetroot.
I've got like an array of like ten different bottles of fruit extracts and stuff and one is beetroot extract.
It is so good.
You will feel so much better after two of those.
Are you pitching a specific beetroot company?
I will let you know.
I got you a Christmas present.
tim pool
Is it beetroot extract?
lydia smith
It is beetroot extract.
tim pool
All right.
Lydia's hanging out.
lydia smith
I am here pushing buttons.
tim pool
She's mashing all the buttons.
Yeah, that's right.
But let's just jump in.
Let me just say something first.
We weren't actually going to do a show today.
This is interesting.
Yeah.
It's Christmas Eve Eve.
Tomorrow's Christmas Eve, so I'll let you in.
Look, if I could work every day through every holiday, I would.
The problem is two things happen on holidays like Christmas Eve and Christmas.
Nobody is working, so very little happens.
The politicians are at home, they're not talking about anything, so there's no movement.
joey salads
But everybody's home.
tim pool
But nobody's watching this stuff.
So like, on holidays when people, for political content I can say, at least, my views go down, because people aren't gonna turn on a podcast, listen to politics, and hang out with their family.
joey salads
What I do is...
Luckily, I have so much evergreen content throughout the years, I just repost Christmas or seasonal related content every single year.
So on Christmas, I'll put up, you know, for those three, four days, I'll just re-upload, you know, hey, this was kind of Christmas related, like a package.
tim pool
That's a good idea.
I should do that.
I'll go back from like a year ago to find some news segment I did.
Put it on.
We're gonna hang out.
Merry Christmas, everybody.
We're chillin'.
We weren't really gonna do a show, but then, you know, Joey's in town.
joey salads
Yeah, he invited me on, on Christmas Day.
unidentified
Yeah.
Well, I got the day Friday, I'm like, that's Christmas, bro.
tim pool
That was a mistake, that was a mistake.
I didn't realize what day Christmas was, and I was like, maybe you can come this day, and then I was like, oh wait, just come tomorrow, dude.
joey salads
Yeah.
tim pool
So we got Joey here, but let's talk some news, man.
This is big.
This is Trump Veto's major defense bill, citing Section 230.
This is significant because it's the authorization for national defense.
It is a massive spending bill.
It is a ridiculous spending bill.
One of the most famous instances of the NDAA was when Obama signed into law something called the Indefinite Detention Provision.
Which was included in it, and it allowed the U.S.
government basically to, like, rendition anyone anywhere, like, take you and blackbag you, like, you know, like V for Vendetta, where Creedy puts the bag over your head and then, like, zips it and they drag you out?
That's basically what it authorized, so... You know, seeing Trump veto this, I la- When I heard Trump was gonna do it, when he tweeted about it, I started laughing.
But let's read.
TechCrunch reports, following through on his previous threat, President Trump has vetoed the $740 million, okay, million, not billion, National Defense Authorization Act, a major bill that allocates military funds each year.
In tweets earlier this month, Trump said he would sink the NDAA if it wasn't altered to include language terminating Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, an essential and previously obscure Internet law that the President has had in his crosshairs for the better part of a year.
Quote, your failure to terminate the very dangerous national security risk of Section 230 will make our intelligence virtually impossible to conduct without everyone knowing what we are doing at every step.
Trump said in a statement on the veto, it's not clear what the president meant or what he was referring to in criticizing the military funding bill as a gift to China and Russia.
I just gotta say, I have no idea what he means by that Section 230 thing.
And I think Trump fundamentally misunderstands what Section 230 is, probably because his understanding of it is being filtered through, you know, one or two people.
So you'll get someone like me being like, yo, we need Section 230 reform.
Section 230 is a problem.
Someone will hear that and then be like, yeah, Section 230 is a problem.
And then Trump will be like, it's a problem?
All right, I'll get rid of it.
It's like, no, no, no, no, no.
You get rid of it, we're all banned.
We don't want to do that.
So let's see, they say, Trump tweeted about it.
The president cited bipartisan calls for a Section 230 repeal in his decision in spite of the NDAA's overwhelming bipartisan support.
So basically what's going to happen now is Mitch McConnell says, December 29th, he's going to come back in, override Trump's vetoes to make sure every single Trump supporter knows The Republican Party hates you, hates your president.
I'm being a little hyperbolic here.
But yeah, come on.
Mitch McConnell doesn't like Trump.
It was a really great comic.
I don't know if you guys follow George Alexopoulos, who got his paintings up on the walls.
He just put one out where it basically looks like the Lion King, I guess.
Trump is hanging from a cliff and reaching out, and then Mitch McConnell jams his fingers into Trump's hands, and then Trump's falling to his death, like the Lion King in Scar.
ian crossland
Oh, I want that one.
tim pool
Yeah, it's so good, man.
I'd love to get it.
ian crossland
Awesome.
tim pool
But, uh, look.
If Section 230 goes, our show's gone.
The reason why there's probably bipartisan calls to repeal Section 230 is because the Establishment hates us.
They hate you.
They do.
Now I'm not being hyperbolic.
They hate you, they hate me, they hate Joey, they hate Ian.
They especially hate Lydia.
The Establishment just really doesn't like you.
unidentified
I know.
ian crossland
What is it about Lydia?
unidentified
I don't know.
joey salads
Because she's pushing the buttons, man.
unidentified
That's true.
ian crossland
They're like, ugh, Lydia.
tim pool
Yeah, so look, the establishment Democrats would love it if the mainstream media were the only game in town.
And so you get rid of Section 230, and then overnight, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube are flooded with lawsuits, many of them probably meritless, and then they're just gonna be like, we're done, ban everybody.
We don't care.
You know what YouTube will do?
They would love this.
YouTube's been trying to get rid of everybody for a long time.
And so they're doing something like, uh, I don't know if you saw this, Joey, with what Pornhub just did recently.
joey salads
I did see that.
tim pool
Banned all non-verified content.
That's it.
If you're not a verified channel, you're gone.
joey salads
I used to have a whole, uh, photo.
tim pool
Pornhub channel?
joey salads
Yeah, no, like, uh, bookmarked.
Like, my favorite porn.
unidentified
I was like, mom, about ten years worth of stuff.
joey salads
I'm with you.
70, 80% of it's gone.
I'm like, ah, this has been my library, you know?
tim pool
Evergreen content, you know?
The livelihoods for some people, I mean, in all seriousness, a lot of people just lost their jobs when that happened.
joey salads
I know there's a lot- I know there's, like, porn hub, like, creators, like, YouTube.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
joey salads
And, like, they'll do, like, porn vlogs.
Am I allowed to say that word?
unidentified
Oh, cool.
I guess.
joey salads
I don't know.
tim pool
I don't- Probably not.
We'll probably demonetize.
Whatever.
Whatever.
Merry Christmas, everybody!
joey salads
Vlogs?
Vlogs?
tim pool
But, yeah, but, like, it's- it's, like, people have their own channels, and, you know, they can make money, I guess.
I don't, I don't, I, I, uh, my understanding is now they're doing crypto because MasterCard and Visa cut them off.
But this is what's coming for everybody.
They start with Pornhub.
They always do it this way too, because they know regular people won't publicly fight for it for the most part.
Like nobody wants to get on a pedestal and be like, we must protect our porn!
joey salads
Yeah.
tim pool
They're going to be like, nah.
ian crossland
They go after the worst of society first.
tim pool
Or just like the, the socially, the fringes.
And now I'll tell you what comes next.
They did this thing, we talked about it a little bit last week, where YouTube got rid of verification for tons of channels.
You remember that?
joey salads
Yeah.
I remember they stripped... I wonder if I'm still verified.
tim pool
Well, there was a backlash, and so they said, OK, we're not going to do that.
We're not going to do that.
I was actually one of the approved channels, where I got an email saying, you're all good, we love you, you're verified.
But eventually, I think what's going to happen is, they're going to start... So right now, they already said, we're going to put ads on content that isn't in the Partner Program.
Meaning, you upload videos, they'll make money off you.
joey salads
Because YouTube's losing hundreds of millions of dollars a year.
tim pool
Oh yeah, just non-stop.
I think what comes next is, they're going to be like, if you're not a verified account in the Partner Program, We are going to stop promoting you in the algorithm.
And they're going to say, you'll still be able, or they'll say like, we'll stop recommending you as much.
This is because, you know, we're trying to improve quality for all of our creators and make sure they can make money.
It'll be great news for all of the bigger creators who will now see bigger viewership and things like that.
And then they're going to start, they're going to tell, they're going to start getting rid of smaller channels, fringe channels, people with the wrong opinions.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Gone, gone, gone.
joey salads
And you know what?
It's, it's two things.
They're doing it one for business reasons and then two, because they have bias.
And the business reasons why they're doing it is because the whole adpocalypse situations, where, you know, CNN or the late night show, they can post whatever they want.
And they have reserve ads on the back end, where they're- What does that mean, reserve ads?
I'm assuming they're in the Google Preferred program where they're getting the most exclusive, highest paying ads.
And then also on the back end to fill the extra ad slots, they have direct deals with companies like Coca-Cola to fill that extra space and they pay a premium.
So obviously YouTube and Google, they get a cut of that.
So that's one of the reasons why they want to promote traditional media there because they have their own set of ads from direct deals.
Business-wise, it makes sense, but that's not what YouTube is.
And that content only gets views when they feature it on the homepage.
tim pool
When you go to the front page of YouTube, and I'm sure all of you watching have seen this, there's like the COVID news bar and everything's thumbs down to oblivion.
It's like 10, 20% thumbs up.
It's all just obliterated because nobody wants to watch that garbage.
So YouTube's trying to be Netflix.
If we get rid of Section 230, YouTube's gonna start square dancing, all the CEOs are gonna be laughing, they're gonna be like, that's it, all the conservatives, all the moderates, independents, you're gone.
MSNBC guys, you know, progressives, all right, we'll give you a pass.
But if we keep Section 230, the track we're on right now is still really bad for independent voices, smaller channels, or anybody who's even big and wants to challenge the system.
Because you could have a million subs, but you give a wrong opinion, you're gone.
joey salads
Yeah, and it's... With these social medias, the thing is, I'm more into the free market, where at first, when this was an issue like five years ago, I was like, eh, you know, they can do what they want, they're a business, you know, they can operate it however they want.
But then over time, realizing...
These social medias have been monopoly on free speech on the internet.
Like the World Wide Web, like if you make your own website, you can only generate traffic to your website is if you promote it on Twitter, promote it on YouTube, promote it on Facebook.
tim pool
Buy ads, buy a billboard, I guess.
ian crossland
Yeah, a billboard on Sunset Boulevard.
Or a commercial on the Super Bowl for a million dollars.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
How much did that cost?
Something like that.
ian crossland
A million dollars a minute or something.
Are they more?
Probably way more than that.
tim pool
Yeah, it's probably like $20,000.
ian crossland
But, like, you could make a YouTube video that's worth ten times a commercial on the Super Bowl.
tim pool
I should buy a billboard somewhere.
joey salads
Well, Super Bowl commercials are, like, notoriously bad for no ROI.
Like, if you're a new company and you're getting Super Bowl commercials, like, you're stocked tanks.
Really?
Yeah.
tim pool
Because they know it's a bad investment.
joey salads
I think it was Pets.com is, like, one of the most famous stories.
I think it's pet one of the, it was like a pet type of website for adopting animals.
And they spent like tens of millions of dollars and, you know, six months later, a year later, they're out of business because they got no return on that investment.
ian crossland
And like the problem with billboards and commercials is that there's no click through.
You can't like see a commercial and click the button to go to the website.
joey salads
Whereas on Twitter, you just click the link and you can target exactly who you want to target.
Everybody who loves pets and animals, anyone who's Googling how to buy a dog, you can target them.
ian crossland
Google set it up that way too.
They set up their algorithms to track what people like so that you could use their service to find people that like what you're looking for.
joey salads
Yeah, and they're all sharing data.
So my girlfriend for for my birthday, she got me an air fryer, and she ordered it on Amazon.
And then we're watching TV, we're watching IMD.
I am BDTV, and we're watching Malcolm in the Middle.
And an ad for that exact thing that she bought pops on the TV.
unidentified
Yeah.
joey salads
The exact product, the exact listing.
tim pool
It happens all the time, man.
It's creepy.
joey salads
Yeah.
tim pool
They know you better than you know yourself.
joey salads
Yeah.
tim pool
Facebook knows when you poop.
I'm not kidding.
I was reading an article about it.
Yeah, because people don't realize that there's things like your favorite color correlates to other things about you.
You know what I mean?
So someone could ask you a bunch of questions that you think makes no sense.
They'll be like, what's your favorite color?
What's your favorite sport?
You know, where are you from?
And then all of a sudden they'll be like, your favorite pasta is, you know, linguine and pesto.
And you're like, what?
joey salads
How did you know that?
They're making like a statistical analysis.
People who like this also like that.
unidentified
Right.
joey salads
You know, if you like all three of these things, you're definitely liking this fourth one.
tim pool
I'll tell you what.
If YouTube does the verification purge, it's going to be really, really good business-wise for channels like this.
So, right now, I remember when YouTube did that announcement about, what was it, what was it called, like the CP something, the Child Protection Act, CPG?
Yeah.
And everyone's freaking out.
All of the creators that do vlogs were really worried.
Because they were like, if we're deemed a channel for children, we don't get access to targeted ads and our revenue is going to drop by like 80%.
And I started laughing, I'm like, wow, this is great.
I do politics.
There's no way you're gonna argue this stuff for kids.
And that means we're gonna get all of those targeted ads and all that.
Everyone's gonna go more likely to us than them.
If YouTube purges, you know, over time from the partner program, a bunch of channels, that means, and they start promoting more verified and confirmed.
joey salads
The viewers consolidate around the top 1% of the top 1%.
tim pool
What did they say, it's like 40 million, what is it, how many views per month?
Does YouTube got a billion?
joey salads
Shit.
tim pool
Billion views.
But if you got a billion channels and there's a billion views, you know, you get one view per channel.
So get rid of all but ten channels and now everyone's getting, you know, a hundred million.
joey salads
They're kind of doing it already.
They have their select group of favored creators.
They're the only ones that have access to the trending tab.
They're getting, you know, Google Premium ads.
You know, they're on all the VidCon billboards.
You know, I think Google, YouTube owns the VidCon event, which is like the creator type of thing.
tim pool
Trash event, by the way.
ian crossland
That was made by, um, the Vlogbrothers.
Didn't they, didn't they Inceptualize?
tim pool
Yeah, that was, uh, the Greens, right?
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, John and... Those guys went crazy.
lydia smith
Hank and John, yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
Hank.
unidentified
Hank.
lydia smith
Yeah, those two.
tim pool
They went, they went kind of crazy.
It's really, it's really, it's really weird how the social media drift created this class of people who were trying to outleft each other.
That's so weird.
It's like, bro, remember where Jon Stewart used to be?
That's where we were all at.
But you guys kept trying to one-up each other, I guess to like prove your value or virtue.
joey salads
Yeah, that's what I was about to say.
tim pool
So they went further and further left every single day.
joey salads
That's how they make themselves feel morally superior.
So they're morally superior to you because they support Black Lives Matter.
They care about black people.
You don't.
tim pool
Well, but I think like, you know, like the Vlogbrothers were doing it because it was popular marketing.
So, you know, you get social media and all of a sudden the craziest activists are screaming at their lungs.
And then you're like, how do I get attention?
Wow, everybody's talking about this.
I should talk about this too.
So you, look, it makes sense, man.
If you're trying to, if you're in the business of attention, where, this is what we are, this is Joe, like the goal of this show, not directly, is to keep people watching it as long as possible.
The goal of YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter is to keep you looking at that screen on their website as long as possible.
It's the attention economy.
And then, as we do, we sell ads.
So for us, it makes sense to talk about important political news and, you know, talk about what we believe in and stuff.
And naturally that generates an audience of like-minded people.
What they're doing is the inverse.
They see a big audience of crazy far leftists and they think, that's my path to make money.
Now it's funny as a leftist accused like us of doing that grifting of like, they're like, Tim pool used to be like super left and now he's conservative or whatever.
And it's like, well, first of all, like opinions change.
Like earlier this year, I was not pro I was not to a like hardcore as I am now.
Now I'm like very much to a.
joey salads
It's between you kind of drifting a little bit more right and then also the spectrum of the left also shifting.
tim pool
But I actually moved further left, actually.
So my political compass test, I'm actually further left libertarian.
I used to be pretty liberal, now it's like down and more left libertarian.
Leftists are not... A lot of conservatives don't get this.
The actual economic left, libertarian, they are pro-gun.
They're not anti-gun.
It's the establishment elites, the authoritarian groups that are pro-gun.
Even the authoritarian communist types are pro-gun.
How are they going to have the revolution?
So they're definitely pro-gun.
There's like a Reddit page for socialist gun rights and stuff like that.
So anyway, what happens is, you have people like the Vlogbrothers, who are, you know, look.
I'll leave them out of this, but I'll wrap them in the bigger picture.
Celebrity.
What are celebrities for?
They're marketing.
That's it.
They're people.
They are marketing.
The reason why they put Brad Pitt in the movie is because they put Brad Pitt's name on it and you go see the movie.
So, the same thing with these YouTubers.
The goal is they want to generate as much attention as possible.
When they see everyone's clamoring about social justice, they're like, ooh, I can do that too!
I can do that too!
The right has that.
You know, there are certainly people who are like, I've decided to support this or that because it's gonna make me money.
But I think that's a tendency of the left more so.
So it's like, it's disproportionate.
You have more leftists, or fake leftists who pretend to be left, doing that, than you have people supporting Trump.
The people who support Trump tend to REALLY support the guy.
joey salads
Yeah, and it's, when Trump, you know, supposedly lost the election, I was just getting flooded with people saying, give it up already, stop crying, you crybaby, Trump lost, get over it.
I'm like, wait, first off, the election's not over, Trump didn't concede, whatever's happening's happening.
But I'm like, they don't understand the difference between having a passion for the country, a passion for actually liking the president.
They don't understand the difference between having a passion and then yelling and screaming and crying at the sky.
You know, when Trump lost election night, we, you know, we took, what's the legal process?
Let's investigate.
Let's do this.
Let's do that.
When the Democrats lost in 2016, it was just screaming and yelling at the sky.
tim pool
They had their celebrity videos where they were like, the electors, you must not vote for Trump, you must be faithless and defy.
Right now in Iowa, there's a woman, her name is Rita Hart, she lost by six votes.
Guess what she's doing?
Suing to overturn the results.
Arguing that they should reinstate 22 mail-in ballots that were disqualified, because then she wins.
And I say, okay, well, you have the legal right to do it, by all means.
It's funny, though.
joey salads
When these elections are that close, and even Trump lost by 10,000 votes in some states, states with 3 million, 4 million in population.
10,000 votes is nothing comparatively to the population.
tim pool
Well, you know Trump only won 2016 by like 77,000 votes.
He got a big electoral victory, but there were three states where he only got like 0.1%, like really thin margins.
But it's funny to see the Democrats are like, when we lose, it's okay for us to overturn the results.
And I don't see any of these news outlets saying, this is shaking confidence in our elections, and it's evil and wrong.
No, they're in support of it.
The person who's filing the suit on her behalf, or who's working with a lawyer, is one of the lead critics of Trump in his legal effort to overturn the results.
So it's like this guy goes on Twitter all day and he's like, Trump is, you know, what he's doing is wrong and he's going to lose.
It's ridiculous.
How dare he?
And then I'm going to file the exact same lawsuit for my person.
Don't look over here, everybody.
joey salads
The left, their ideology is like a sliding scale.
There's no consistency.
All about what benefits them at that particular moment at that point in time.
unidentified
Right.
joey salads
Where one day, the left can be on Twitter praising the Constitution because something went their way.
And then the next day, say, the Constitution was founded by a bunch of racists.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
joey salads
And now we need to destroy it.
So, wait, yesterday you just loved the Constitution because it helped you.
Now you want to rip it.
tim pool
Of course, of course.
ian crossland
I was thinking that power, just kind of in general, that power, they say power corrupts people.
And that we get this social media uh view count is like a source of power when you have the ability to go click a button and tell someone something and a thousand people hear you say it that people are getting slowly driven insane and then when they get the likes and they're like oh when i did that complaint it got a bunch more likes from those creeps and then they get even crazier and so you've got people in politics going crazy that we call them the left or the people in social media like brad not brad pitts crazy but these cult you know these
These YouTubers that end up going too far.
joey salads
And it happens on both sides too.
I mean, it happened with me at points on Twitter.
It's like, okay, let me keep saying this and it keeps getting more and more likes or let me make videos on this and just push the edge.
ian crossland
It drove me to insanity in the early days of YouTube.
I thought the only reason people liked me was because I was crazy.
Like I would smoke weed and talk about the craziest stuff.
People like, this guy's insane, this guy's insane, but those videos would get the most views.
And so I kept doing it and tried to out-insane myself, and I was getting depressed, and it drove me insane.
I almost killed myself.
joey salads
That's why I went so controversial online with my pranks, because the algorithms were rewarding being controversial, being offensive, you know, doing crazy, crazy, just crazy and crazy, and you get to that point where you're realizing, oh wow, I took it kind of far.
And then you kind of take that step back.
tim pool
There's people who don't realize they get caught in the algorithmic loop, and then they start producing more and more and more.
I think people need to recognize what this is, but I will tell you something.
These big tech companies will ban the right, so the wall is set, right?
So if you're on the right, and you start seeing, you'll tweet something, you'll get more likes, so you tweet more of it, you go crazy, you get more followers, you get more shares.
Then Twitter bans you.
You went too far, they say.
We see you go too far.
You should've stopped.
It's too bad.
You're out.
On the left, you can literally call for riots and terrorism and violence, and they won't remove it.
joey salads
Yeah, listen to this.
When I got banned on Twitter, I made another account called NotJoeySalads or whatever, and it was not me.
Somebody else was running it for me.
And I did that.
Actually, I went through three different Twitter accounts.
So that account in particular got banned because I said, I replied to the L.A.
mayor saying, but sure, just let them burn the city down sarcastically because he was talking about Black Lives Matter or whatnot.
And I got banned for inciting violence immediately.
The very next day was when they were calling for riots.
Oh, because RBJ Ginsburg died.
unidentified
Yeah.
joey salads
Wow.
very next day was trending, burn it down, or whatever.
tim pool
Of course, of course, man.
joey salads
And I got banned for being sarcastic.
tim pool
When I was on the Joe Rogan show with the people from Twitter,
we pulled up a tweet that had been up for months that was calling, like, there was a,
I think the tweet itself was a felony.
And I was like, why is that tweet still there?
And they're like, uh, I don't know.
joey salads
Oh, we can't monitor every single tweet.
tim pool
And I was like, but you could see that replies to it were banned.
joey salads
Yeah.
tim pool
So you had this tweet from an Antifa account calling for overt violence, instructing people to commit violent, you know, felonious acts.
And it was fine.
Below it, it was like, this tweet has been removed for violation of policy.
This is removed, removed, removed, removed.
And so when they were like, well, you know, people have to report these things for us to notice.
And I was like, the replies are banned.
Clearly people are reporting this like crazy and each other.
joey salads
Yeah.
I'm telling you right now, all these social medias, if they don't, they're stupid.
They definitely have certain key phrase algorithms that determine if you tweet saying, I want you to burn whatever down, whatever.
They know in their algorithm.
And I know TikTok does this a lot.
If they scan the video and they notice something that's questionable, they'll actually put the video on hold, send it to a review, to determine, okay, was this a violation?
Okay, it wasn't.
And then it gets cleared.
tim pool
But you know what TikTok used to do?
It was really clever.
If on YouTube, somebody is getting cyberbullied, YouTube will ban the bullies.
On TikTok, if somebody was getting cyberbullied, they'd ban the victim.
Because think about it, it makes a lot of sense.
If you don't want bullying on your platform, do you ban the 300 bullies or the one victim?
Well, if you want your user numbers to be inflated, you don't want to ban 300 people.
lydia smith
Can't do that.
tim pool
Ban the victim!
Now the bullying is gone.
Congratulations, only beautiful people get to be on our platform.
joey salads
Yeah, TikTok's done a lot of sketchy stuff when it comes to, you know, favoring beautiful people in the algorithm.
tim pool
It's China.
joey salads
It's weird because when I'm on TikTok, even though it's owned by China or in bed with China, it's still, I think, more free speech than the other platforms.
tim pool
I think, without getting too specific, some of these social networks Or fake.
Fake likes, fake views.
I mean, remember what Facebook was doing with inflating their view counts by like 90%?
Remember that?
joey salads
Yeah, yeah.
Did they get sued?
I thought they got sued, like a bunch of- The advertisers, I think, got really mad.
tim pool
Yeah, dude.
So Facebook would- you'd play a video, and it would say you had 100,000 views, when you actually only had like 10,000.
joey salads
Now they count it, because I don't know if they were actually making it fake, but you know when you post a video or something on Facebook?
tim pool
It's like you would scroll past it and it would tick it off.
joey salads
Yeah, that counts.
So your videos will sometimes be like 100,000 reach, 20,000 views.
So it was on 100,000 people seen it as they were scrolling.
tim pool
But they didn't actually watch it.
joey salads
But now it only counts if you watch for three seconds or more.
ian crossland
Is that like a legal thing?
Is there like a law that it has to be three seconds?
tim pool
No, but what was happening was, People were selling ads, and Facebook was selling ads, and then Facebook would be like, oh look, a million views!
Congratulations, that'll be, you know, X amount of dollars.
But then people found out, wait a minute, those views aren't real because they just scrolled past it and didn't actually watch it in any capacity.
So, dude, this was Facebook destroying the news industry.
No joke.
I, I, there's some companies I know that were very prominent mainstream networks that have gone bankrupt or shuttered the divisions that they had set up.
There's some companies that would do YouTube videos and they had millions of subscribers combined.
Maybe like 500,000 here, a million here, maybe, you know, 1.2 million.
And I had a meeting in San Francisco with some of these companies, because I was working for Fusion at the time, and they were telling me how Facebook was the key.
Facebook's where it's at.
You don't understand.
And I said, bro, what do you mean I don't understand?
YouTube is where it's at.
And they were like, no, no, no, man.
Like, we put up a video on YouTube, we'll get like 100,000 views.
We put it on Facebook, we'll get like 10 million.
And I was like, those aren't real, dude.
There's no way.
You put up your dumb video and got 10 million views.
joey salads
The good thing about Facebook is everybody has a profile with hundreds of friends.
unidentified
Right.
joey salads
So someone could easily share.
YouTube, you gotta get the algorithm.
tim pool
But check it out, I was right.
And so what these guys were telling me, I remember I was at a lunch in San Francisco.
It was like the three video heads of like three different digital production companies that were on social media, with YouTube being their principal place for production.
And I was, I was like, YouTube all the way, man.
I was like, I can see the community, I can see the interaction, I can see the excitement, I can see the virality.
On Facebook, it's just like one day you put up a video and then, boop, it's got 10 million views, and I'm like, where'd that come from?
joey salads
Yeah.
tim pool
And they said, you're wrong, bro.
The industry is changing.
You don't want to be like Blockbuster Video, you want to be like Netflix.
And I said, no, it's smoke and mirrors.
These guys are out of jobs.
Those divisions all shut down because when they were putting in like, they'd have like a budget for like a million bucks or whatever for their production for the year.
And these are big companies.
And then when they said shift the production to favor Facebook, and then Facebook didn't turn anything back for them, didn't give them a return.
They just fizzled out, ran out of money, and then their bosses were like, we just lost a million bucks, made nothing, get out, you're fired.
joey salads
Yeah, like the retention time difference between Facebook and YouTube, I can put up a video on Facebook, 30 to 50 second retention time.
Same video on YouTube, you know, 6-7 minutes.
tim pool
Exactly.
joey salads
That's the difference.
And Facebook right now, they're making that algorithm push into the watch tab.
They made a whole nother section on Facebook now.
I guess they're trying to kind of compete with YouTube, and they're favoring the higher retention content to kind of keep you on the phone.
They want you to turn the phone sideways and watch a piece of content.
ian crossland
With Facebook, you can slide down.
You see it, you click it, but then there's this like sliding mentality you're in, so you keep going.
Whereas YouTube, you have to click a button to go there.
There's nowhere to slide to, unless you want to read the comments.
joey salads
Yeah.
And you're invested.
You're actively engaging and clicking on a piece of content you want to watch.
ian crossland
It's a drug, bro.
tim pool
It's like the worst drug of our time.
Yeah.
So you're off Twitter now.
joey salads
Off Twitter.
tim pool
And how's that been?
joey salads
Oh my gosh.
My mental health is so much better.
Once you get off Twitter, you realize that's not reality.
That's not the world.
It's been harder to keep up on politics and what's going on.
I used to know everything and all the times.
Now, I know nothing about what happened today.
Absolutely nothing.
tim pool
Trump did a backflip.
ian crossland
Yeah, Twitter is a disaster.
tim pool
It's an addiction.
And they know that the likes and shares and retweets, those numbers are what drive people to keep doing it.
the back. No, I'm kidding. Yeah, Twitter is a disaster. It's an addiction and they know that
the likes and shares and retweets, those numbers are what drive people to keep doing it. It's
making the country go insane. They know it.
They don't care.
They're trying to make money off.
joey salads
They're trying to keep you going back to so a lot of social medias I mean have a theory that if you're not like going on the platform Like they'll kind of send a little engagement your way to keep you opening the app up again Keep you engaged and looking right you know you having the notifications on like oh, I got a new follower you click on it now You're exactly I think in the beginning of YouTube.
ian crossland
I don't know how it was for you guys, but oh For me, it was, I wanted to make videos and tell my friends about this book I read.
And MySpace wasn't fast enough.
So I would make, it wasn't about how many people saw it.
It was, did Eric see it?
joey salads
YouTube had friends.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I wanted to share it with my friends.
And then people could make video responses and you had these little communities of people.
And now that it's like, I don't know if they really want to just get people off the platform, these non-verified people, because they're taking up too much bandwidth and they're too much of a liability.
Especially if 230 goes down, then they're really alive.
tim pool
Exactly.
ian crossland
And become more like a TV station like Netflix.
tim pool
Yes, that's a fact.
ian crossland
But we need some website where any kid can start making YouTube videos and talk to another guy that's making videos.
It doesn't have to be YouTube videos.
I've just got that phrase stuck in my head from 2006.
tim pool
YouTube employees have told me, and this is years ago, they want to be Netflix.
So in the early days of YouTube.
joey salads
Well, look at the market cap of Netflix.
Right.
Exactly.
$200 million.
tim pool
And so YouTube's tried doing originals.
joey salads
Disney's trying to be Netflix.
They're doing a good job.
ian crossland
It's gotta be a headache to deal with all the errant people that are saying like, burn it.
If they say crazy stuff, then you're, you're not responsible.
But if you don't do anything and it's illegal, then you become responsible.
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
Well, if someone puts illegal content on YouTube, it's YouTube's job to take it down.
Or aren't they responsible for hosting illegal content?
tim pool
Section 230 protects them.
ian crossland
Do you think it's illegal?
tim pool
They're not liable for content posted by individuals.
So they will ban everybody if 230 gets repealed.
It'll be the end of the internet as we know it, man.
joey salads
What if the plan is to repeal it and replace it immediately with something else?
tim pool
That will never happen.
joey salads
You don't think so?
tim pool
The Democrats right now are probably sitting in a room with the Republican establishment are sitting in a room together, and because this is a family-friendly show, I will say they're sitting in a circle all patting each other on the back.
Going like, yes, yes, this is great, you know, we're having a good time.
They're all shaking hands.
A circle of jerks high-fiving each other.
ian crossland
What a bunch of jerks.
tim pool
And when, right now, they're probably going, oh no, Trump, oh jeez, you want us to repeal Section 230?
unidentified
Oh man, I guess we have to.
That is actually a good thing.
joey salads
What if because they mass banned people like me, you, and the little guy, then now it forces us to go to an alternative platform.
ian crossland
Or to start our own platform.
joey salads
YouTube is the platform, the place to be if you want to make long-form video content, and that's the only place you can go to get views.
But now what happens if the you of the YouTube gets completely taken out?
I'll tell you.
tim pool
Now, oh, I guess I'll try Rumble or Netflix exists, but Netflix doesn't allow anyone to post.
They approve.
So what would end up happening is... Like Roku, the OTTs?
They just allow anything, right?
They allow people to... yeah.
So here's my bet.
You know what?
I'm not gonna... I've had people telling me I'm wrong several times.
They super chat and they're like, you're wrong, Tim.
2.30's gotta go.
You don't get it.
I'm like, alright, dude.
I know exactly what's gonna happen if 2.30 goes.
I am gonna make 10 times as much money.
It's gonna be great for me.
And it's gonna be bad for humanity and liberty and freedom.
But if people want it, if Trump's saying it and Trump supporters are for it, well, okay, I guess I'll just sit back and take the extra money.
Let me just say what's going to happen.
I'm not going to be banned if 230 goes.
I'm going to be one of their preferred verified accounts or whatever.
They like the milk toast, you know, harmless Tim Pool or whatever.
He's just edgy enough, but not edgy enough to get smears and cause any trouble because I'm not far enough in either direction.
So it works for them that people watch these shows and that they're controversial a little They actually monetized our Alex Jones episode.
So they're like, this is okay, we're okay with this.
So if you get rid of Section 230, YouTube's gonna go, we got it baby, we finally got what we needed.
The excuse to ban all these people without causing controversy, and we can blame Trump for it, it's great!
So who are we keeping?
We're gonna pick 500 channels to keep.
YouTube is now officially Netflix, this is fantastic.
Our bandwidth costs are gonna drop, but our audience stays the same.
If you get rid of Section 230 and YouTube bans all of the non-preferred accounts, they'd probably make me sign a contract or something about liability and whatever.
Then what you're left with is, YouTube still gets the billion views or whatever per month, whatever the number is, probably more than that, probably a hundred billion or something.
They keep that.
It'll go down a little bit because some channels and some creators will be gone and they'll go to other platforms.
But people will still go to YouTube out of habit.
And now there's only a small handful of channels to recommend.
So guess what?
The existing channels are going to go through the roof.
ian crossland
But what platform?
Because that platform could get taken down too, I think.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
Well, let me tell you this.
Everyone's saying Rumble right now.
Like, oh, go to Rumble, go to Rumble.
Okay, just like any of these other platforms, I'm just gonna start counting the days until NBC, the Wall Street Journal, New York Times publish a story about, you know, the neo-Nazi website rumble and all this other garbage.
unidentified
Get thrown in that box.
tim pool
And then what happens is, all they need as an excuse is one article that says it, and then you'll get Google going like, we will no longer, you know, serve, you know, the DNS or whatever.
ian crossland
What is that, anti-defamation?
They go hard on people for that stuff.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
Google seized the DNS.
I think it was the Daily Stormer.
Like, literally just seized their domain.
So you couldn't go to it.
It was crazy.
Like, that's authoritarian beyond recognition.
joey salads
I'm just obviously spitballing here.
I could be completely wrong.
But let's just say you have a billion watch minutes going to YouTube every day to watch independent creators.
And that's what you want to watch.
As we were saying before, whenever CNN's recommended, just spammed with dislikes.
I'm sure their retention time's dirt low as well.
But obviously they want to work to kind of replace cable and TV.
That's why they have YouTube TV, they tried YouTube Premium, and they tried original shows.
All those original shows have been a major flop, even the influencer ones.
Which ones did good?
tim pool
Cobra Kai.
joey salads
Well, that was awesome.
It did good because it was on Netflix.
tim pool
Well, no, no, it did really well on YouTube.
And then they sold it to Netflix.
joey salads
Yeah, that was the only one that people watched.
I don't know what the numbers were on that, if it's even comparable to how much it got on Netflix.
I never watched it on YouTube.
I watched it on Netflix and it was great.
tim pool
YouTube works on meritocracy.
So it's a combination of algorithmic promotion for videos that do well and the hands-off approach from YouTube.
When YouTube tried to do originals, yeah, it mostly did not work.
A lot of the shows are just trash.
So what they do is, what works for them, let people make content and then when they identify content that's doing well and is brand safe and advertiser friendly, they promote it in the algorithm.
But I'll tell you this.
How many, let me ask you, what do you think the average amount of recommended views to subscriber views?
You know what I mean?
I'll just say it because it's probably hard to make an analogy or question out of it.
The amount of people who watch this content who aren't subscribed.
joey salads
I'm not subscribed to you.
I watch you every day.
tim pool
Right.
joey salads
I have 10 accounts.
That's why I don't know what account I'm on.
ian crossland
I just subscribe with all of them.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
No, no.
Maybe not.
Because you don't want to inflate the subscriber count.
Because then if the view to subscribers is ratioed.
Then they punish you for it.
tim pool
So here's what happens.
It's like, depending on the video, it could be between 60 and 70% not subscribed.
That means YouTube's recommending the video.
So you go to YouTube.com, and then my video appears, and you click it and you watch it, and YouTube keeps serving it to people, because subscriber counts really don't matter anymore.
I mean, we do this show, we have almost 900,000 subs on this channel, and we're averaging like half a million per podcast episode.
So that means like, More than, you know, it's like 60% of the audience watches, you know, every day or whatever.
lydia smith
That's great.
tim pool
Or you can say that most people watch, you know, a couple times a week.
joey salads
And the way the algorithm works to my understanding is, because I know people who have zero growth on YouTube, but they'll have a million subs and every video they post gets a quarter million, half a million views, but they don't have any growth because what YouTube sees, okay, this piece, it's mostly vlog content.
This vlog is getting very high retention time with its subscriber base.
So they'll push it out to more of the subscribers and then they do kind of testing and the algorithm for some like lookalike audiences and then they check the retention time from those algorithmic viewers and then usually those algorithmic viewers don't come back good because it's the fans that want that content and they pull it back and it doesn't get the expanded growth but it has a high percentage of watch time from subscribers.
My page is the complete opposite, my prank page.
Where I'll get like 10% of my subs watching and then like randomly like 2-3 months later I'll have a video pop off with like 5 million views.
ian crossland
Yeah.
joey salads
Because it's just like the algorithm, since it's all evergreen, the algorithm will be like, okay well this content does good with random people clicking on it.
tim pool
Well it'll find that audience, it'll fall into the hole.
So here's what I'm saying.
If you get rid of the independent creators, they're not going to leave YouTube.
Most views come from people who are told what to watch.
No joke.
Now, it's a mix between the interests of the individual and what YouTube recommends.
If there's somebody who likes watching videos titled, Democrats are awful, and they send a video saying Democrats are great, they're going to be like, I ain't clicking that.
And so it's ignored.
So there's a balance there.
YouTube would probably lose a decent amount of their users if they banned everybody, and if Section 230 got repealed, but most of the people would probably stay.
Then the activists would just target other social networks and call them racist.
joey salads
Yeah, there are two types of people that use YouTube.
Maybe three.
There's one, the group of people that want to see independent creators and the group that just go to YouTube to just probably don't even have accounts that are just like, Oh, I'm going to just Google this, look it up.
Or I remember watching this funny viral video.
Let me look it up and show my friends.
Or they're just typing in funny cats, you know, the casual users, maybe they're going on it to see the news.
Um, they're like less engaged, but those types of people, YouTube is the go-to.
tim pool
So you, you, you, you give us section two 30 and I'll be, I'll be doing great.
joey salads
Yeah.
ian crossland
Well, in the short term.
But I mean, I don't think any of us will be doing... Well, I don't know, actually.
tim pool
Bro, you know how much money... You know how much money, like, Sean Hannity gets?
And, like, what his viewership is?
ian crossland
From his YouTube stuff?
tim pool
So, his viewership, I think, was at, like, you know, $4 or $5 million a night at its peak, and then people abandoned Fox.
But even without him getting $4 or $5 million a night, and then you include YouTube, when... So, I recently cut down the amount of segments I was producing, but I was getting, like, $3, $3.5 million a day.
Sean Hannity was getting, you know, $4 or $5 million.
ian crossland
The problem is you would be like the golden child, and your ad revenue would go up, but you'd be stuck under their terms of service still, which could get more strict.
joey salads
The difference between, I guess, traditional media hosts and new media hosts is in the traditional media, the ad rates pay way higher.
tim pool
That's what YouTube wants, though.
joey salads
Yeah, and they play way more ads, mainly because there's no skipping around, there's no jump.
I guess you could change channels, but if you're watching Sun Hannity and Yeah, and you get like five, six commercials.
tim pool
Exactly.
Minutes go by.
ian crossland
Yeah, maybe we need our own network.
Each individual has their own network where they can post all their videos.
So you don't have to worry about 230 of anyone else's content.
And then you can respond other content through like an RSS where you can see if they responded to one of yours.
I don't know if you could watch your videos on my network because that might make me... It's kind of like what Roku is doing.
joey salads
So I just signed with a company and they're like, hey, we want to put your prank content into its own channel on the Roku devices.
I'm like, yeah, just go ahead and do it.
Cool.
Is Roku responsible for your content under 230?
and they link it with like an RSS feed.
So whenever I post, it automatically gets posted into that.
ian crossland
Is Roku responsible for your content under 230?
joey salads
I wouldn't know about any of that.
ian crossland
That's interesting.
If they weren't, that'd be really cool.
If just some tech.
joey salads
It's cool because it comes off like an actual shot.
I was telling you to do it because people watch that stuff on the TV.
Retention time's higher, the ad rate CPM is higher.
I'm sure tons of you viewerships would love to watch your podcast and just click it on the TV.
tim pool
You know man, I could do a million things to make my business run better.
We don't do any ad reads.
You know, like people listen to this podcast and we have no ad reads at all.
ian crossland
Like for, for, for instance, we don't talk about super male vitality.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Get a kickback.
tim pool
Give me some money.
unidentified
Cause we mentioned your, how many did you sell Alex?
ian crossland
We want to cut numbers.
tim pool
No, but like almost every single podcast, they open the show with some kind of ad.
So I'm talking to people about doing some kind of ads because I'm like, we're not being particularly efficient with how we do things.
We kind of just turn the cameras on and just hang out.
You know, we probably do a lot better job.
But, you know, man, times are getting crazy.
It's Christmas.
We're chillin'.
ian crossland
I'm into the Roku.
So this Roku thing sounds pretty promising.
joey salads
I feel like that's gonna be the new wave of next year.
You're gonna see a lot of creators.
ian crossland
So the earlier you get on it.
joey salads
Now that I'm saying it on such a big show, I bet every creator watching is like, how do I sign up?
tim pool
People need to realize You know, I think there's a lot of people who look for quick gimmicks to try and get big quick.
They look at Vine.
For those who aren't familiar with Vine, man, how many people remember what Vine was?
joey salads
Oh yeah, they were huge.
tim pool
You have a Vine tattoo?
joey salads
Do you regret getting it?
ian crossland
Were you like a huge Vine star?
tim pool
Did you start on Vine?
joey salads
Yeah, that's how I got my big break.
ian crossland
Look at that!
joey salads
Vine getting bashed.
tim pool
I can't zoom in.
Oh, when they destroyed it?
joey salads
I did a series called It's Bashin' Time.
tim pool
You got started on Vine, huh?
joey salads
Yeah, that's how I got my big break.
Then I got Facebook and YouTube.
Hey, if any YouTube reps are watching, re-monetize my pages or something.
ian crossland
Yeah, do it.
tim pool
What happens if they change their logo and then you got like, what's that company?
It's like YouTube.
Oh, that's it.
joey salads
It's like imagine getting- Remember YouTube?
I was gonna get the Instagram one and then like, I didn't end up getting it.
And then like, yeah, then like two weeks later they did a new Instagram logo.
ian crossland
So you were big on YouTube and then you started doing Vine.
You were huge on YouTube in like 2010, right?
11 or something?
joey salads
I did YouTube since I was a kid.
Never got any views.
You know, hundreds, maybe a thousand views if I was lucky.
Then I took like a two-year hiatus because I was like, eh, this is not working out.
This is not going to be a career.
Let me go to school.
Went to college for like a year, failed everything, but during that time, I downloaded Vine, because an ex-girlfriend of mine made me download it, because she was like recording videos of me, and I'm like, this is such a stupid app, six seconds, like how can you?
tim pool
Yeah.
joey salads
Downloaded it, ended up making a bunch of videos, ended up going viral, got, you know, a million followers on there.
unidentified
Wow.
joey salads
I'm like, damn, Vine's gonna go under.
I'm like, I saw how the market was going, it's all about like retention time, and this must have been like 2011 or whatever.
And then I started moving all my audience to YouTube, stopped posting on Vine, and then a year later, Vine went out of business.
ian crossland
How could you tell Vine was going?
tim pool
Well, Vine got bought by Twitter, and then they were basically like, you know, Periscope's gone, right?
unidentified
Oh.
Oh, really?
tim pool
Yeah, Periscope's gone.
ian crossland
That just went on?
unidentified
When?
tim pool
Wow.
I saw something about it.
I don't know exactly what's going on.
ian crossland
Geez, too much bandwidth cost?
tim pool
Well, no, because what Twitter does is they buy a company, and then once people are used to using it on the Twitter app, they axe the other company.
ian crossland
They just melt them into Twitter?
tim pool
They don't want the competition.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Yeah, buy and destroy.
ian crossland
That's called hostile takeover, isn't it?
joey salads
Vine was unique because it was the first, like, app to have video format on.
And then, you know, Instagram came out with it.
tim pool
Yeah, because Instagram was just photos.
joey salads
Since the bandwidth on phones also started to increase, you know, YouTube became more accessible on the apps, you know.
So it's just, you know, Vine was like the first of its time and just never innovated past that point.
ian crossland
And they didn't, did they have ads?
tim pool
Got bought by Twitter and then blown up.
joey salads
Yeah, that was the biggest mistake.
ian crossland
They never got ads.
They sold the company instead.
joey salads
Yeah I was hearing stories that they were going to put an ad program in place but then like a bunch of influencers were like spreading the word and then everybody wanted a piece of the cut and then they just can't.
ian crossland
Hyperinflated their value and sold probably a hundred thousand times.
joey salads
I think influencer value is it's tough because I think influencer value is overrated but at the same time it is that power.
ian crossland
Yeah, money can't buy the value of communication.
joey salads
The thing is, like, I use Ninja, for example.
tim pool
What's Ninja?
joey salads
Ninja the streamer.
tim pool
Oh, Ninja the guy.
joey salads
Yeah.
He was the biggest Twitch streamer.
He was, you know, favored, so they put him on.
tim pool
But for Fortnite, right?
joey salads
Yeah, for Fortnite.
unidentified
On all the talk shows.
tim pool
Remember when he did the dance on New Year's and no one knew who he was?
joey salads
Yeah.
tim pool
It was cringey.
Maybe that's why you guys might know him.
He did the floss dance in Times Square in New York.
Nobody there knew who he was.
joey salads
I think they might've knew who he was.
tim pool
No, come on, man.
His audience is 12-year-olds.
joey salads
That's true.
tim pool
I have a friend who's like, he was in a band that was like decently famous and toured around.
And when I met him, I was at this venue for like, you know, it's a big venue in Chicago called the Metro.
Some band was playing, everyone there was like in their 20s and 30s.
And I saw him and I was like, whoa, dude, aren't you so-and-so?
And he's like, yeah.
I was like, wow, man, nice to meet you.
I'm a fan.
He's like, cool, man.
And then I was like, anybody here recognize you?
And he goes, how old is everybody here?
Are they over 18?
No, probably not.
And I laughed and I was like, what did he say about me?
joey salads
Yeah.
tim pool
But yeah, like his audience wasn't there, you know?
joey salads
Yeah, back to what I was saying about Ninja is Mixer bought him for like tens of millions of dollars, whatever they paid him.
I think some people were saying it was close to a hundred million.
ian crossland
And that's Microsoft, right?
joey salads
Yeah, Microsoft bought Mixer, Mixer bought Ninja, then they started getting other influencers too.
But they thought, you know, Ninja, the biggest Twitch streamer, we're going to get him on Mixer and that's going to help out Mixer.
His viewership went from hundreds of thousands of live viewers to like a thousand, two thousand.
ian crossland
Wow.
joey salads
Yeah.
Not at first.
When he first went on, it was big numbers.
And then it just died off.
And then it just died off.
unidentified
Bro.
tim pool
Joe Rogan.
joey salads
Many influencers are only as strong as the platform they're on.
tim pool
Yeah, dude.
joey salads
And I saw that same exact thing happen with Joe Rogan.
I listen to Joe Rogan, but only on YouTube.
I'll watch his viral clips.
I'll listen to it here and there.
Maybe then I'll go over to a full show, but it's always on YouTube.
ian crossland
I haven't been to Spotify yet.
It's kind of like I don't want to.
I'm just like angry that he went to Spotify still.
tim pool
I got no beef.
joey salads
Hey, good for him.
I mean, I would take the bag too.
I mean, yeah, it's a lot of money.
tim pool
I wonder, we were talking about before, it's almost like a retirement, you know, not to be disrespectful because I know Joey's a friend, but you know, when someone offers that much money, I'm sure Joey, he's a good businessman.
ian crossland
He knows exactly.
tim pool
But he probably knew exactly what it meant by going exclusive with Spotify.
And there was a big backlash where people were commenting.
So his main YouTube channel now has become a clip channel.
I guess a clip channel is nothing now, I have no idea.
That's million, that's 10 million subscribers.
And he recently got the Diamond Award on YouTube.
All those subscribers subscribed to watch the long form show, not the clips.
And so now, there's comments of people who are like, I don't even watch anymore.
But here's what you gotta realize too, by going to Spotify, he lost the comment section.
So people were having conversations.
That's gone.
joey salads
And the discoverability on YouTube was what's really driving the traffic.
I mean, Spotify is its own platform, but it's not something really people go there to discover stuff.
tim pool
But if you, but the good news is for him now is that, you know, you go open up Spotify podcasts and Joe Rogan Experience is right there.
joey salads
You're paying the guy a hundred million dollars.
ian crossland
And the devs are pretty much at his beck and call.
He wants them to build a comment section.
tim pool
But he loses iTunes.
So he's not even on, you open up iTunes, gone.
ian crossland
Exclusive contracts are freaky.
joey salads
His audience size, like, potential has literally been limited by like, what, one-tenth of the size.
tim pool
This is why people keep saying, like, Tim, why aren't you on Rumble or whatever?
There's two reasons.
Two reasons.
The first is that someone already got the username Timcast, and I'm not gonna be bothered.
ian crossland
Maybe they'll give it to you.
tim pool
I'm not gonna ask him.
Well, now I guess I just said it on the show.
joey salads
Yeah, they'll email you.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
joey salads
Please, Tim, please come.
tim pool
I have so many companies, like every day we get like 10 people being like, you know, 10 different companies.
We started a new social media company, sign up, we reserve your name.
I'm like, dude, I keep telling everybody, man, YouTube is a money pit that loses money.
Like Uber, this is what Silicon Valley does to destroy this country and business in this country.
Uber loses money like crazy.
Like, dude, Uber loses money.
But here's the plan.
You subsidize the cost through investors until you strangle out all the competition, undercutting local cabs.
Cab drivers go nuts.
There were, like, cab driver riots in France.
I went to, I was in New York a couple years ago and there were cab drivers protesting outside of City Hall saying that Uber destroyed their business and in order to drive a cab in New York you need like a cab token and they cost like a million bucks.
It's like you gotta pay it off with a loan.
And so they were like, we were told Uber would only be allowed to drive so many cars.
So we buy these things, and then once they brought in 30,000 Uber cars allowing them, then all of a sudden these tokens are worthless and no one drives in our cars anymore.
So what happens is, cabs cost more money.
That's right, you know why?
Because you gotta pay for everything, the gas, the maintenance repair, and the person's wage.
With Uber, same thing applies, but it's cheaper because they eat the cost, take a huge loss.
YouTube does that.
YouTube sinks, money's on fire.
joey salads
Netflix does that too.
tim pool
They lose money like crazy.
But they make money off of investors.
They take money from investors or through subsidies.
So, YouTube is subsidized by the parent companies.
The parent companies make sure YouTube functions.
And then, so the cost is ridiculous.
But this makes it so that no one goes anywhere else.
And all they have to do now is wait until everything withers and is strangled.
I'll tell you, it's simple this.
It's simple as principle, really.
You got a mom-and-pop cafe.
This was happening in Seattle.
At least this was a story as I was told when I lived in Seattle a long time ago.
This was like 14 years ago.
You'd have a mom-and-pop local family small business cafe.
One day, a Starbucks would open next door, and it would offer discounts, super cheap drinks, and then people would- it would split their business.
Because there are some people who are big fans of the local cafe.
It's the best cafe you gotta go to.
They make a great French roast.
But then there are a lot of people who are just like, I just want a coffee.
Starbucks, they got milkshakes or whatever, you know?
Yeah, and so they see the Starbucks sign, and they know it's coffee, and they see the mom-and-pop's, you know, whiz-bang cafe, and they're like, I don't know what that is.
joey salads
You know what?
There's a difference between, I would say, I agree with you, but I think there is a difference between Starbucks and Uber.
Uber kind of innovated an industry.
Starbucks is just like a big corporation that goes for better prices.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
But I just mean the principle.
Yeah, yeah.
People were telling me that in Seattle they were doing this.
I just want to make sure that's clear.
It's like what I was told.
I don't know if it's true.
But they would say like Starbucks would open up right across the street, then the small business would not be able to compete with Starbucks.
But you got, bro, in San Francisco, just off of Market Street, I can't remember exactly what street this is, there's like three Starbucks Three Starbucks locations.
joey salads
In Hollywood, there's four of them a mile away.
tim pool
I went, not even within a mile, no.
In one point, they're right across the street from each other.
So I was walking down the street looking for a Starbucks.
I pull up on my phone and it's like two dots appear on my Google Maps or whatever.
And I'm like, what?
unidentified
Which one?
What?
tim pool
There's two of them.
And so I walk and I look.
I'm like, oh, there's Starbucks.
And then I walk inside.
I grab, you know, like a water or whatever.
And I grab like a thing of Madeline's or some cookies, whatever they sell at Starbucks.
And when I'm waiting in line, I look across the street and I see a Starbucks logo on the other side of the street.
And I was like, No.
joey salads
It's true.
tim pool
Do it.
joey salads
I use that similar analogy when I'm talking to people who like support minimum wage increases.
And I brought up to one guy, I'm like, hey, I'm like, what do you think about restaurant owners paying their employees $15 an hour?
He's like, oh, you mean a livable wage?
I'm like, one, a livable wage is different depending on where you are and who you are.
tim pool
Right.
joey salads
But I'm like, I'm like, you want to increase minimum wage.
I'm like, do you not understand like the overhead that goes into running?
I used a pizzeria as analogy.
You increase minimum wage, now that cashier needs to earn money.
The phone girl needs to earn more money.
Now it costs more money for raw materials.
Now your pizza prices go up.
And people get pissed off.
Now you're selling more expensive pizzas because the minimum wage increased.
ian crossland
Or they start skimping on materials.
joey salads
They start skimping.
ian crossland
The quality goes down.
joey salads
Bromate.
ian crossland
Potassium bromate in their bread.
joey salads
But then a Domino's opens up across it.
This wouldn't fly in New York, or at least not in Staten Island.
But anywhere else, a Pizza Hut or a Domino's opens up across the street, and they can give you a pizza for one-tenth the price, and they can afford to pay their employees $15 an hour, because they have that massive infrastructure to get you cheap prices, also if they subsidize it with shareholders.
So I'm like, so you want $15 an hour?
That's just gonna destroy small businesses.
And then you're gonna have to go work for a corporation, and now you're stuck making $15 an hour for the rest of your life because you're working for Pizza Hut.
tim pool
The idea that you can artificially inflate the wages for people is just wrong, man.
I talked to... I told this story before.
I was talking to an accountant who was a... He's a Democrat guy.
He's like, you know, urban Democrat, not super political, but, you know, he votes Dem.
And I asked him about it because New Jersey was passing a wage increase and he said, oh, I lost 30% of my clients already.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
They just went... They shut their businesses down overnight.
Yeah.
Because what you gotta realize... He's still a Democrat?
He did?
joey salads
Does he still vote Democrat?
tim pool
Oh no, no, no, no, dude.
And that's why I'm like, it's so crazy that I lived in a blue area,
everybody was Democrat, and then within a couple of years, they were all Trump supporters.
ian crossland
Our whole lives we were riding the bubble of the boomers.
Is that what it was?
Boomers?
They were just printing money in the white picket fence to get a house.
The American dream was just a big bubble.
They just kept printing more and more and more money.
Now there's $27 trillion of it.
tim pool
That's not the issue.
ian crossland
Our whole lives we were riding that bubble.
We didn't realize it.
tim pool
There's a lot of different issues as to why the boomers retain so much wealth and young people don't.
ian crossland
That oil money.
unidentified
OPEC, man.
tim pool
The CIA in 1945.
I think it has to do with boomers being bad parents.
I think it has to do with boomers being some of the worst.
ian crossland
Ignorant for sure.
They didn't realize they were riding that bubble too, I don't think.
tim pool
It's not about riding a bubble.
ian crossland
The American military bubble.
tim pool
Yeah, so World War II, we decimated the industries of our, you know, rival foreign countries.
And then, that's annoying.
And then you have, you know, American industry picks up the slack, and our factories were fine, nobody came here.
There's a lot of reasons why things were doing well, and there's a lot of arguments about it, but there's a lot to be said.
Everybody wants to blame Ronald Reagan for trickle-down economics as to why it happened, but they overlook the fact that Republicans were, and this is true, the fact that the Republicans wanted to start importing a lot of cheap labor.
and outsourcing to get cheap labor.
If you were in a factory, you know, it's like the 70s and 80s,
you're like, man, why do I gotta pay, you know, four bucks an hour, five bucks an hour to this employee
when I can have this stuff produced in Mexico for dirt and then shipped up here?
And so that's where the trend comes in.
The jobs get destroyed, and that's ultimately what leads us to Trump.
ian crossland
I think the reason I brought up the bubble that we're in is because
my whole life I thought, if you need to raise the minimum wage, raise the minimum wage.
Print, make the short-term value, and then later we can recoup the loss as a short-term investment, but I didn't realize that it was like a Ponzi scheme.
tim pool
It's so easy to explain why minimum wage increases do not work.
What you need is the value of time to go up, and how you do that is very complicated.
But it's really easy to explain to somebody.
If I'm growing apples, and I gotta hire someone at 10 bucks an hour to pick the apples, and he can pick 10 apples per hour, just these are ridiculous numbers, he can obviously pick more than that, then the cost of an apple has to be over a dollar.
Because then I gotta pay for overhead, the machinery, the planting.
So an apple costs two bucks.
Well, now you double the guy's wage, right?
Let's say you give him 20 bucks an hour now.
Because why not?
Rashida Tlaib was already saying, you know, 15's not enough, 20 bucks.
Okay, so now each apple has to cost at least two dollars.
Now, all of a sudden, apples go up in price.
But guess what?
The people who pick the apples also need to eat.
So now, I'm giving them 20 bucks an hour, and then they're going to the supermarket and going, I can't even buy apples anymore because the price just doubled.
So you're not giving them buying power.
Increasing the minimum wage does not give anyone buying power.
ian crossland
It's like a short-term buying power.
tim pool
No, it's a trick to make them think.
ian crossland
Well, it's a short-term.
As the inflation catches up, it takes like eight months.
tim pool
It destroys the savings of retirees Because now, you still can't buy the apple, because you have the same buying power, but now everybody who's saved can only buy half the apples they originally could have bought.
joey salads
It does so much.
One, it helps out the bigger business.
It hurts the little guy.
It causes inflation.
It allows the government to tax you more as well.
And also, it spits in the face of the people who maybe are trying to work their way up at Walmart.
You know, maybe, hey, I put in 10 years at Walmart, I want to work my way up.
You started at $5 an hour, now you're making $20.
tim pool
I gotta tell you what I'm really sick of.
I am sick of the fact that you are left-wing or right-wing based on whether you are stupid.
And so when I go to a Democrat accountant and he tells me, look what happened on paper to all of these businesses when they raised minimum wage, the buying power did not go up.
It stayed the same and it destroyed these small businesses that didn't have the savings to maintain this.
And then everyone says, because I'm not in favor of minimum wage, it's a right-wing position.
So what, the left is stupid?
ian crossland
It's just an incomplete concept to raise the wage.
You need to raise, like, savings account interest as well, I think, if you're going to do something like that.
So the banks take a hit, and the consumer can maintain buying power.
tim pool
But interest, that's not going to do anything for somebody who makes $10 an hour.
They don't have a savings to see any increase in their interest.
ian crossland
Ideally, it would help them grow a savings account.
joey salads
Not only does it hurt business-wise, inflation-wise, all that stuff, It also hurts the culture because if you had a lower minimum wage, you know, someone's first job at the age of 13, 14, his $5 an hour worked the cashier.
ian crossland
I was making $4.25, I think.
joey salads
I've been working.
I worked my first job when I was like 13, 14 years old for like $5 an hour.
And you know, that's a growing experience.
Everybody should have that experience.
Now, what kid is going to get a job when the minimum wage is $15 an hour?
You're going to want to hire the best of the best to make up for that price.
And the left always uses this argument.
Oh, you go to In-N-Out, they pay their employees above minimum wage, and look how good the service is versus McDonald's.
It's like, no, they're not doing better because they're getting a higher wage.
They're doing better because they're literally just picking the best of the best fast food workers.
And that's why they're getting paid more because they're the best of the best.
tim pool
And because McDonald's pays less, they're less concerned.
Right.
Because the good, the good, you know, burger employees and cashiers are going to be like, I'm going to work for In-N-Out.
joey salads
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't want to work for McDonald's.
lydia smith
So the minimum wage really pinned people like me when I worked in the hospital because I was a tech and I went to school for it.
It didn't take very long, but I was making more than the minimum wage because I had a little bit of extra education.
So one of the things I found was when my state was raising the minimum wage was that my wage would go up as well a little bit at a time along kind of the same lines, and I wouldn't be able to buy or do anything more.
It made absolutely no difference.
Everything, the price of everything stayed exactly the same.
Why are we doing this?
tim pool
There's one benefit.
Imports.
And so that's why you see people like Joe Biden tie multiple policies together with the left.
Free trade agreements, increased minimum wage, higher corporate taxes, drive the industry to foreign countries, give everybody in the U.S.
an increased wage, but not the slave labor in China.
So the people in China who are living under a communist boot, who live in squalor to such a degree that they've walked off of the Foxconn buildings in mass suicide incidents, and the Foxconn lab had to put up nets to catch people to stop them from killing themselves, they don't get a wage increase.
So what happens with a minimum wage increase that helps Americans is that if you're making $10 an hour, And then they increase your wage to 15.
Congratulations.
You can now buy.
It's now easier for you.
Your buying power, in terms of import goods, has gone up.
ian crossland
But you need to maintain your slaves.
That's the only way.
It's a slave economy.
Yeah, we live in a slave economy.
tim pool
China has to maintain the slavery.
ian crossland
Yay, Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves, but there's a lot more slaves that were... Oh, there's literal...
tim pool
Dude, what the heck?
I mean, listen, first of all, slavery is never there's more slaves alive today than there's
ever been.
What the heck?
And it's it's you know, the Obama's involvement in Libya resulted in the return of the North
African slave trade.
It's it's it's it's insane.
ian crossland
I can imagine using robots as manufacturers because, you know, like a computer slave.
tim pool
You got it.
For now, you still need people to do the finer manipulation of, you know, like, you know, you can use your hands to do better than we didn't even talk about the increase in automation, right?
Yeah.
joey salads
You know, McDonald's, they have like one, sometimes I'll go into like a newer McDonald's.
It'll be like one person at the register and five machines that you do well beyond that.
tim pool
You go to like travel stops when you're driving around the country and they have a robot robot ice cream, man.
You ever see these things?
Yeah.
And it's like, there's a little guy, it's like a creepy like cylinder with little arms and its arm will spin and then grab the cup and then go and then it'll pull the lever down, fills the ice cream up and it's like, it's like staring at you with its like creepy robotic gaze.
And then like the sprinkles come down and it goes, I love it.
ian crossland
I think the automation economy is inevitable and that the whole job economy thing is probably going to be a thing of the past.
tim pool
Somebody's got to build the robots.
Somebody's got to design the robots.
Somebody's got to maintain the robots.
Electricity has to power the robots.
joey salads
This has happened all throughout history.
Right.
You know, one industry goes, you know, and people, I mean, it's not like it used to be where you can work a job for 20, 30 years.
You need to constantly evolve your brain and how you work and your work ethic and your skills and your knowledge constantly.
You can't get comfortable and work a job for 30, 40 years.
Obviously, there's some jobs you can, but for the most part, Your job right now is going to be obsolete in 20 years.
tim pool
Did I ever tell you a story about the homeless guy I met in Chicago?
No.
This is a story I tell a lot of people, and I probably told it on this show, but there was a homeless guy.
I was skating in downtown Chicago when I was like 18 or 19, and he looked like he was like 60.
He was some old black dude, and I had some leftover pizza, so I was like, I was like, hey man, I was like, you want some pizza?
I was just leaving a restaurant, and he was like, yeah, for sure, man.
I think he called me youngblood or something, and I was like, you got it, bro, and you know, fist bump, and then I was like, can I ask you a question, a personal question?
And I was like, are you homeless?
And he says, yes sir, I am.
And I was like, how did that happen?
Long story short, he said, listen man, he's like, you know, I worked, I think he said he worked for the post office or something, or he worked, he worked for some company for years.
And then eventually when the company started downsizing and they didn't, they didn't need whatever the company produced anymore, you know, one day someone comes up to him and says, sorry man, like company's going under, nobody buys this product for whatever reason.
So, you know, we're gonna have to let you go.
You got about one more month.
So he loses his job, and then he says the first thing he did was he went to go find more jobs.
But when you're an expert working at this factory that produces a specific product, what job are you going to find to maintain yourself?
He's like, I got an apartment, I got bills, and I need a certain amount of money.
But because my skill is in this area, once I lose that job, I go to any other company.
He's like, I go to McDonald's.
I go to Wendy's.
And they're like, we'd love to hire you.
You seem great.
Some places say, you're overqualified.
You were a manager?
Oh, sorry, we can't hire you.
But even if they do, you go from making $20 to $10.
He's like, I got a job, but I still couldn't afford my bills.
Eventually, my car gets taken.
I can't afford my rent anymore.
And eventually the landlord comes and he says, if you don't pay your rent by this time, I'm kicking you out.
And he's like, listen, man, he's like, I'm old, man.
He's like, my friends and my family, they're gone.
Many people have passed.
And then one day they come to me and say, you can't pay your rent.
You're gone.
He's like, I exhausted unemployment benefits.
I had nothing left.
And now here I am.
joey salads
Yeah.
We're going to see a lot of that happen now because of the lockdowns.
We're going to see ex-business restaurant owners being managers at McDonald's, if they're lucky.
tim pool
Oh, get under the boot of the corporate machine, man.
And you know what really bothers me?
I want to go back to this.
The minimum wage is stupid, and I will assert myself as left on economic policy.
Everything I just explained about this guy losing his job and becoming homeless is a problem brought up by economic leftists.
But I'm not stupid enough to think the minimum wage solves that problem.
And you know who's for the lockdowns right now?
joey salads
Bill Gates.
tim pool
It's the left!
joey salads
Yeah.
tim pool
The leftists, you know, who are destroying, like, listen, there are Republicans who are ignoring it.
Like I said, you know, the Democrats in these cities and states have destroyed the economy, and they've turned people from small business owners with their own little, you know, private space and fiefdom and ownership that made them happy, and they've pushed them down into the poverty class, and they want them to live under the boot of corporations, and it is the left in this country that is doing it.
The left is supposed to be saying that government is good.
Government is good.
We all work together.
We do socialism and the people are in this together.
Yet they're using the power of government to force people to work for McDonald's.
That's the left.
joey salads
10, 20, 30 big trillion dollar corporations and the rest of the country just works for them.
Exactly.
That's the democrat socialist future.
And it's so crazy because they have the voters totally fooled.
They have the voters fooled that that's fighting for the people.
They hate these big corporations.
They hate the billionaires.
But everything that they're supporting is funded and supported by the same people they say they hate.
They're being so duped.
ian crossland
Yeah, I was making the most in any like menial job, the most money ever made.
I wasn't making minimum wage.
I was making $2.13 an hour as a waiter, and I was getting tips based on percentages of sales.
So I was making percentages of what the company was making, and that was the best living I could make.
So maybe we don't need minimum wage.
Maybe we need like...
A guaranteed percent of profits earned.
joey salads
The Democrats in some areas, I know they were doing this with Uber, they were fighting for waiters and waitresses to make minimum wage.
tim pool
Yes, no more tip economy.
joey salads
If you were a waiter and a waitress, you don't want to make minimum wage.
No, you get taxed.
If you work at a good bar, you can come home with a couple thousand in it.
ian crossland
And if it's cash, it's not.
I mean, they say to declare all your tips, but every waiter I know.
tim pool
Unless it's credit card.
That's why you always make sure you... Yeah, all your credit card.
ian crossland
Tip with cash so that it's on the waiter's back.
tim pool
No, no, no.
Pay your taxes.
ian crossland
And pay your taxes.
joey salads
I know people who do waitering and people who do it full time as a full time job, they'll claim like half.
ian crossland
But also, how is it that if you help me move some boxes and I give you 50 bucks that you need to go tell the government?
That's crazy.
joey salads
You know what?
That's probably another reason why the Democrats want corporate America because everything goes through the tax system.
tim pool
That's why they want digital currencies too.
They want everything to be tracked and everything.
So look, I'll try and keep as vague as possible because I don't want to reveal people's private information, but I have friends When I was growing up where one dude goes to college gets a
degree and then he gets out and the job he gets with That degree pays him like 15 bucks an hour and he's happy.
He's like, yeah, I got a degree It's an entry-level position, you know, I'm 22 and then I
have friends who go and serve, you know Like at a restaurant, you know like a steakhouse and they
make 50 bucks an hour Yeah, they don't want minimum wage. I opened up my own
joey salads
small business a few years ago. I opened up a grilled cheese
Oh, you're a fascist. Yeah, I open up a grilled cheese joint called get grilled. Really? Yeah, and
No, no, we wanted to turn it into a brand it was like a Subway for grilled cheeses
unidentified
It was awesome the good but subway can do grilled cheese. I mean, you don't go there really, right?
joey salads
Right good bread good cheese. Yeah, and It was a really good idea.
It was awesome.
Everybody that visited was like, wow, this is going to be big.
This is awesome.
They're so good.
The grilled cheeses.
We made the process as similar to that streamlined process to make things easier.
Like Chipotle?
Yeah.
And the thing is, after doing that, realizing all the regulations of coming in, how expensive it was because of the taxes.
My employees made way more money than me.
And I had to end up paying them out of the pocket because it wasn't profitable and um one of the reasons was one the mall that we were in was really bad and then two just like the regulations of them coming in all this useless stuff that we don't need and then some like idiot who's coming there and like you know making sure everything's up to code made us put like this six foot What you see now when you go into a store and there's that glass shield, they made us put that over the food.
And when we're talking to the customers, we gotta lean over because they can't hear us because the wall is curved.
unidentified
That's just unnecessary.
tim pool
There's a correlation between the strength of a country's economy and the ease at which an individual has to start a business.
The harder it is to start a business, the worse economies do.
And I'll tell you, we talked about this, you know, last week or whatever, in Tunisia.
joey salads
I'm sorry, real quick, and also in that same mall, all the similar businesses were all owned and ran by the business owner.
tim pool
Exactly.
joey salads
They would work 12-hour shifts, and that was the only way they could be profitable.
Sorry to cut you off.
tim pool
In Tunisia, the Arab Spring started because a guy was trying to sell fruit from a cart, and the government kept blocking him and wouldn't let him, so eventually he just went in front of a building and set himself on fire.
But I'll tell you this.
You think grilled cheese is a good idea?
You wanna know the best idea ever for a fast-casual restaurant?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
You go in, alright?
And there's three key food items.
three food items.
That's what we saw.
And then sides, and you know what it is?
It's chicken tikka masala, it's pod thai, and it's orange chicken.
joey salads
Yeah.
tim pool
So those are actually like the top.
joey salads
That's kind of like what internet does.
The top.
It's fries and burgers, and that's why they're able to.
tim pool
I'm half kidding though, but like I had this idea because I was reading about the top things ordered
from you know, Grubhub or whatever.
It's like pod thai, chicken tikka masala, and orange chicken, and I was like,
put them all in one fast casual place.
You know, call it super.
ian crossland
You know what you could do?
I'm going to reveal this idea online.
Maybe someone will build it.
You make combinations where they can go in and they can decide what oil they want.
Do they want coconut, olive, you know, sesame oil?
And then what vinegar they want.
Do they want rice wine?
What you just depict the oil and the vinegar that goes into the food changes the flavor completely.
tim pool
There's a place in, there's a chain in New York that does that.
ian crossland
And you'll be like, I'd like a white wine vinegar with coconut oil.
tim pool
And they have a fridge full of all the different kinds of lettuce.
They'll have like spinach, spring greens, romaine, iceberg.
And then they have the different meats.
And then they have different fish.
Yeah, different fish.
And you walk and you'll say, I'll do spring greens with grilled chicken.
And I'll do, you know, the white wine vinegar with crispy onions and mushrooms.
And then they take it all and they cook it in front of you as you walk down the line.
joey salads
Really good place.
ian crossland
It's all about that oil and that vinegar, man.
tim pool
I forgot what it's called, though.
joey salads
I forgot what it's called.
Is that the one where they cook it on, like, a thing with, like, sticks?
lydia smith
That's hibachi.
unidentified
No, no, no.
joey salads
No, that's the one where, like, they cook it with sticks.
tim pool
It's kind of like Chipotle.
You walk in, you get in line, and then you walk up to say, what do you want?
And you're like, spring greens, you know, steak.
And they cook the steak and they cut it in front of you.
unidentified
It's amazing.
Yeah.
joey salads
So the thing is like with the restaurant industry, the more you add to the menu, the more options you give, it just adds more to the start to the cost of running things.
Cause then, you know, if you have more items, you need more space.
ian crossland
Cause obviously at first to just keep your base ingredients, like, yeah.
You want a salmon, you want like a steak and like, I don't know.
joey salads
That's why Chipotle is so streamlined.
It's like, you know, four different types of meats, three different, two different types of rice, two different types of beans.
And you can make all these different types of combinations.
Same thing with In-N-Out.
It's just burgers and fries.
So it's like they can handle a hundred customers every 10 minutes because it's only burgers and fries.
They're just mass cooking it and getting it out the door.
tim pool
Yeah.
joey salads
Well, if they had to make to order at In-N-Out.
You'll be online for six hours.
tim pool
And then you have in Seattle, you have Dick's.
Do you know Dick's in Seattle?
ian crossland
Last resort?
tim pool
No, it's just called Dick's.
It's a hamburger joint called Dick's.
And so the reason why they do really well, though, is not because they just sell burgers and fries and milkshakes, I think.
But you want to know why that business does really well?
Because when I'm in Seattle, my friends go, you want to eat a bag of Dick's?
I'm not kidding.
I'm not kidding.
And so, and then, and then the first time I heard that, I was like, haha, very funny.
Like, no, no, no, no.
Dick's burger joint.
And I'm like, wait, what?
And they're like, yeah, it's a burger joint.
joey salads
I was like, hell yeah.
Oh, burgers.
tim pool
But think about it.
Think about it.
All of a sudden you're like someone like, what do you want to do tonight?
Let's go out.
Let, you know, let's go eat a bag of dicks.
And you're like.
And then everyone's laughing.
So somebody gets the joke and then you actually go and buy the burgers.
Right?
So it's like, it's clever marketing.
Clever marketing.
But you know, anyway, we were talking about... Dick's a funny word.
ian crossland
Let's be honest.
It's a guy's name.
tim pool
You know what really creeped me out?
I saw a billboard runs on Seattle and it was a pig grilling bacon or something.
Yeah.
It was like a billboard for like a smokehouse or like, like barbecue.
And it was like a smiling pig with a chef's hat.
And he was like frying bacon.
And I was like, geez.
ian crossland
Yeah, pigs will eat each other, I believe.
tim pool
Yeah, they will.
Luke was telling us about that.
Luke was saying that, you know, he was on a farm with a bunch of pigs, and the pigs will, like, bite you because they're trying to eat you, and you gotta, like, kick them back and stop them.
ian crossland
Dang, they're hungry.
tim pool
And then he was saying that what they do when you're on a farm and there's no food and you're, like, struggling or starving, they'll cripple one of the pigs, and then the other pigs will just eat it.
unidentified
Ooh!
tim pool
Crazy, dude!
Pigs are nuts!
ian crossland
I'm gonna go to the bathroom.
tim pool
I'll be back.
Anyway, regulation, Joey.
Regulation destroys small businesses.
joey salads
Oh, yeah.
I mean, I've seen it firsthand.
And it's, you know, I was at this one place yesterday.
Damn, what was the name of it?
It was in Staten Island, and the guy got arrested.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah.
You went to that bar?
joey salads
Max Pub House.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
You went there?
joey salads
Yeah, I went there.
We were just all hanging out.
tim pool
Oh, that's right, because you're a former congressional candidate from Staten Island.
lydia smith
That's right, yeah.
joey salads
Oh, no.
No former loser.
So.
tim pool
Well, former loser, you did lose.
joey salads
I did lose, yeah.
unidentified
So you're a loser.
Yeah, yeah.
lydia smith
Ongoing loser.
joey salads
Ongoing loser.
So what they did was they did all the legal loopholes to get past lockdowns.
They're in autonomous zone.
They're in chapel now.
unidentified
I told them, I'm like, just put a Black Lives Matter sign on the front
joey salads
because de Blasio says that's okay.
But even though they're doing all the legal loopholes to open up, it does not matter
because the Democrats' agenda, like their law is a sliding scale.
Even though you're following it, eh, I don't like it.
We're gonna shut you down.
And those people in particular, they're broke.
tim pool
It's the cops, bro.
joey salads
Yeah.
tim pool
There'd be no shut down.
This guy would not be shut down if the cops weren't enforcing it.
joey salads
Exactly.
I heard that people were telling me that it's not so much the NYPD, but the sheriff and the state troopers.
The NYPD, they came to my family's restaurant multiple times.
They don't give a damn.
They come, whatever.
Although, I never told you this story.
So my family's restaurant opened up in the summer when they allowed some of the outdoor dining.
And then the health official came.
unidentified
Yeah.
joey salads
and analyze the place or whatever.
Everybody was wearing masks.
They were all up to code.
Some people were wearing masks that weren't like mask masks, but they were like a face visor,
like a see-through plastic visor.
I guess that wasn't okay.
tim pool
Yeah, it's gotta be cloth.
joey salads
Yeah, and the guy comes in, he looks around, and he takes the liquor license away.
tim pool
Just what, right like that?
joey salads
Right then and there.
Wow.
And then it goes to, I guess, the liquor department.
tim pool
Can you give the booze away if you have no liquor license?
joey salads
That's another loophole that I think Max was doing.
They were giving the food away and then just had a donation joint.
But, you know, the loopholes don't matter.
Right, right.
Then I went online and I found the Liquor Authority, their livestream of them all talking and declaring for every business, OK, we're going to fine them $50,000.
OK, we're going to fine them $30,000, but they have to shut the music off at 10 o'clock.
Like, all these rules trying to punish businesses, and these are unelected people sitting in a position of power, And trust me, they're the stupidest looking people.
You look at them, you're like, these people should be bums on the street.
And they're the ones, like dictators, deciding what businesses are allowed to do and the fines that they have.
tim pool
You've got to get out of New York City, man.
joey salads
Yeah.
And I saw them.
They did the whole thing on my family's restaurant.
It was completely wrong.
They were looking at photos.
They had drone footage.
And they said, yeah, we see people not wearing masks by the pool.
They listed off a bunch of other things.
I forgot what it was, but everything they listed, there's no pool.
unidentified
Yeah.
joey salads
That's what I'm trying to say.
There's no pool.
tim pool
I was like, that's kind of weird.
joey salads
Everything they were listing off was not even true and was not even like, they must've had the information from the wrong place.
Or they don't care, man.
Or they don't care.
And there's no appeal process.
You can't state your case.
It's just whatever they say, they bang the gavel and you're done.
tim pool
I'm sorry, Joey.
You're actually wrong on all counts.
Just because some random person says it doesn't make it true.
Like, if a random person is like, we're, you know, we're shutting you down, be like, who are you?
joey salads
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
I'm the health inspector.
Says who?
unidentified
Says my badge.
tim pool
What badge?
Who's that from?
Sorry.
joey salads
Then they send the state troopers over, and then they arrest you.
tim pool
Come back with a warrant.
joey salads
I told my mom.
tim pool
Then get arrested.
joey salads
I told my mom.
I'm like, next time they come, next time they come, you take your phone out, you start recording, you tell them they have no legal constitutional rights to come here and do what they're doing, and you kick them out.
And you tell them to come back.
Never.
Like, you kick them out.
You say, you're banned from the premises.
Do not come back here.
tim pool
You know what, man?
I guess this isn't true for Staten Island.
You guys elected Max Rose, alright?
joey salads
He's out now.
tim pool
Yeah, he's out now, but look.
Am I supposed to have sympathy for New Yorkers who keep voting for these people?
joey salads
See, Staten Island does not vote for any of those.
We want to secede from the city.
The city won't let us because the city knows, okay, if we let Staten Island be their own thing.
tim pool
What's the city gonna do to stop you?
joey salads
That's what I'm saying.
Why aren't we just doing it?
tim pool
File a claim with the state or the Supreme Court.
joey salads
There's New York City taxes, and then there's state taxes.
And the city will not let us leave because everybody in Manhattan would immediately move to Staten Island.
All the big businesses will move over there to avoid the taxes.
tim pool
Nah, they'd move to Jersey City, man.
joey salads
They'd do that too, but I'm saying Staten Island.
tim pool
You still gotta pay taxes if you live in Jersey City.
joey salads
Yeah, Staten Island will, like, there'll be a mass exodus from Manhattan over this, and it'll make the Democrats look bad because everyone's fleeing.
Just like they're fleeing now.
Everyone from Staten Island, kind of a banded ship.
tim pool
Hey man, Ulysses S. Grant says anybody who feels like they're oppressed by their government has a right to revolution.
That was, that's Ulysses, man.
He, that's the North, you know?
ian crossland
I love Staten, I've been there a couple times.
I was there for Hurricane Sandy, I did, with Occupy Sandy, I did clean up in Staten Island.
There's a lot of wooded areas, but everything's starting to be torn down from more houses.
tim pool
That is crazy dude.
ian crossland
What's the middle of the island like?
I've only ever been to the, you know how like roads will go around
and in the middle it looks like just like wilderness and mountain houses?
joey salads
There's a lot of wooded areas, but everything's starting to be torn down
from more houses.
The property value I heard from a realtor was actually going up,
because it's one of the places people are leaving Manhattan for.
Even though you're still part of New York City, it's just less crime.
tim pool
It's a very clean town.
You know that people in New York City don't consider Staten Island New York City.
joey salads
That's the thing.
Every liberal leftist Democrat in New York City is like, F Staten Island.
It's an asshole.
tim pool
It's not New York City.
ian crossland
They tell me that Brooklyn wasn't New York City.
joey salads
We do not want to even be a part of you.
Just let us leave.
tim pool
No, they want your money, dude!
joey salads
They just want our money.
You hate us.
The leaders hate us.
The voters hate us.
We don't want to be a part of you.
tim pool
The Staten Island Fair is fun, though.
ian crossland
That would be interesting to break up the boroughs.
tim pool
It is, man.
Going from what's like Battery Park or whatever, and then you take the boat to Staten Island.
ian crossland
Brooklyn and Queens are kind of connected.
They're so interwoven, it'd be tough to break those into two cities.
tim pool
Queens is huge, man.
Queens is massive.
People don't realize how big it is.
joey salads
It's the biggest borough, isn't it?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's ridiculously big.
Yeah, but Staten Island, I think I've been there three times, and I lived in New York for five years.
Three times I've been to Staten Island.
But I would go to the Bronx, Harlem, Queens, Brooklyn, Manhattan, all the time, like a couple times a day, you're bouncing around.
You got a friend in the Upper West Side that'll come over across the bridge, come to the Bronx or whatever.
Sure.
joey salads
And all the Democrats, they like to say Staten Island's a big pile, a big dump.
Hey, it's the only, like, borough you can have a clean, nice backyard, not tripled with homeless people in the streets.
I'm like, you hate on it because you ain't it.
ian crossland
Is the city of New York extracting the wealth from the boroughs and then centralizing it in Manhattan?
joey salads
I don't really know.
tim pool
Well, yes, but if we replace the word Manhattan with, like, de Blasio's pockets.
ian crossland
Mansion.
tim pool
Yeah, like his wife getting two million dollars for her staff or whatever.
joey salads
Or a billion dollars went missing or something.
tim pool
New York!
Gotta love it.
You know, I think New York, if you live in New York City, you have the second highest taxes in the country because of the city tax.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
It's city income tax.
You gotta pay the city, state, and federal.
California's the highest income tax.
People are flinging.
You hear what California wants to do?
joey salads
What?
tim pool
If you spend at least 60 days in California, non-consecutive, they'll tax you for 10 years.
joey salads
Wow.
unidentified
Good luck!
joey salads
That's why I'm moving to Vegas.
Zero state taxes.
tim pool
Oh, but they got you already, bro.
They got you.
They got you.
joey salads
I'm moving at the beginning of the year.
tim pool
Don't matter.
If they pass this bill, they pass this law or whatever, they're gonna come after you.
Now, let's be real.
What are they gonna do?
California state trooper gonna show up in Vegas?
joey salads
Right.
No.
They'll just shut my bank accounts down.
tim pool
If they're California based.
joey salads
Yeah.
Oh no, I'm doing everything.
tim pool
Dude, California, California has, uh, this year, I think they lost 140,000 people.
Net negative migration over the past several years.
Dude, California has collapsed.
ian crossland
I want to give a shout out to Vegas.
I love that city.
If you go to the outskirts where it's like, it's, there'll be houses and then there's desert.
Like your front yard is desert and you can see mountains and then behind you is the city lights of Vegas.
tim pool
Yeah, but you know that Vegas is being, they're reversing, what's it called, reverse desertification or whatever?
A desert reclamation.
So because people who move to Vegas want lawns, they import water.
unidentified
Where?
ian crossland
From?
tim pool
Let people move to Vegas, and then they want lawns.
Because they don't want desert, they don't want sand, right?
ian crossland
What if they'll start seeding, you know how they're in Abu Dhabi, they're rain seeding?
tim pool
They don't need to do that.
There's already clouds popping up all over Vegas.
ian crossland
Oh, because of the lawns.
tim pool
Interesting.
Also pools, too.
because the lawns are holding moisture and people are watering them and the
Yeah.
water is cycling back and so the more people move in also pool and the more
joey salads
pools in the more grass dude I noticed all the houses that I looked at when I
went on my search I don't think I saw maybe one house with a lawn good but a
lot of the houses had fake grass and then obviously desert shrubbery
That's what I've noticed.
tim pool
Check this out.
joey salads
Maybe in Summerlin I could see more of that.
tim pool
I'll tell you something really crazy.
People go to Vegas to vacation, right?
So you get on a plane, and while you're on the plane, you use the bathroom.
There's a lot of water in your poop, in your urine, right?
The plane dumps all that off in Vegas when they clean out the system.
We are importing fluids from human beings.
Not only that, they got to import soda and water and drinks for all of the tourists who keep coming in.
lydia smith
Exhale water.
tim pool
Yes, exactly.
You exhale water.
So people, every time people come to Vegas, it's getting like, I remember I was there and it was partly cloudy.
And I'd been to Vegas like a decade ago, and it was like... They have some man-made lakes there, too.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're importing water like crazy, and then the grass is really what's retaining it.
So we're turning the Vegas into, you know, green, like we're terraforming it.
Yeah, it's crazy.
ian crossland
I wonder if that Mojave... that's the Mojave Desert?
Is that that desert?
tim pool
I think it's Mojave.
ian crossland
If that's sediment deposit left over from the flood 12,800 years ago, that North American glacial flood that just dumped It scathes the landscape and then dropped, it's all sand.
Like I know the Sahara is ocean sand.
If you look at, it just got pushed up onto the continent.
And I wonder if this is also like, if we could remove that sand, if there would be fresh dirt underneath.
unidentified
That's interesting.
tim pool
I don't think it matters.
I think humans are inadvertently terraforming vases.
ian crossland
Just raining on top of it.
tim pool
Because that grass is gonna turn into dirt eventually.
ian crossland
Dude, that's awesome!
tim pool
And then we're gonna grow more grass and we just keep bringing it in.
joey salads
Import dirt.
tim pool
No, for real, people are.
So we are, like, that's crazy.
I wonder what we could do to the Sahara, too.
Because what they've been doing with the Sahara is they've been planting trees along the desert line to stop the desert from growing.
Because it's killing and, you know, it expands.
So they keep planting trees and trying to, you know, big ones, and so it blocks the spread of the desert.
We could, you know, turn more places green, man.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'd like to put all that ocean sand back into the ocean at some point.
joey salads
Yeah, just get a shovel and start.
ian crossland
One at a time.
joey salads
Yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
Or maybe we could use drones to start carting it now and get it done in 20 years.
tim pool
Drones can't carry that much weight.
ian crossland
One by one.
If you have 100 million drones and they each carry 20 minutes, 10 ounces, that's all you need.
tim pool
One cup at a time.
Let's do this.
Let's talk about aliens.
Let's talk about this, let's talk about aliens.
Yes.
This will be the last we can talk about.
We'll go to Super Chats afterwards.
But check this out.
Huge ball of fire falls from the sky and crashes into a Chinese county, leaving locals stunned.
Giant fireball was spotted flashing across the sky over Nankan, China.
Footage shows the burning sphere exploding and plumbing into the country.
Let me play this video for you guys, alright?
Let me play this video.
Wait, what?
What is this?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Okay, no, that's a video of a mob attack for some reason.
What is this?
joey salads
Yeah, that little plays.
tim pool
That's so adorable.
Alright, let's refresh Daily Mail.
And let's play the... Look at this.
This is crazy.
lydia smith
It's like the sun.
joey salads
What is it?
unidentified
Is it a comet?
tim pool
You can hear people yelling in Chinese and it crashed into the ground apparently. What was that? Was that at night?
That was at night. Oh, it looks like daytime Look at watch once it goes over the ridge you see it get
dark Holy cow.
ian crossland
Satellite?
Is that a satellite coming back?
tim pool
Come on, Ian, Ian, Ian.
joey salads
It could have been anything.
ian crossland
Well, I mean, I know it's aliens.
I'm just thinking outside the box.
tim pool
Thinking outside the, exactly.
We know it's aliens.
ian crossland
It could be a conspiratorial.
Could it be a satellite?
tim pool
We know it's aliens.
ian crossland
A rock?
joey salads
Aliens, that sells clothes.
tim pool
Unidentified object exploding into a blazing sphere, plunging.
You know, I feel bad for the aliens.
They were probably doing routine surveillance and then it malfunctioned, burst into flames, and now we're sitting here watching.
lydia smith
Out of all the places, China.
tim pool
I want, it was probably, I mean... Now 20 new religions?
Satellite, probably, to 20, right?
Satellite does make the most sense.
But, uh, let's entertain the idea, because we were supposed to get aliens this year, right?
Remember that dude from Israel said aliens are real?
unidentified
Yes!
tim pool
You see that joke?
joey salads
Yeah, I saw that.
lydia smith
In Canada.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
A guy, we had a guy in Canada like 10 years ago, former, like, defense minister or whatever, said, yep, aliens are real, and he basically said we need a one world government or something like that, you know.
joey salads
Hey, could be a false flag for globalism.
ian crossland
I need aliens.
You need them.
I'm desensitized by Twitter, and now I need aliens.
lydia smith
We gotta have aliens.
tim pool
You know what, man?
Yes.
We need aliens.
I'm bored.
ian crossland
I'm so ready.
tim pool
Dude, listen, listen, listen.
Donald Trump filed some, like, lawsuit or whatever in Pennsylvania to, like, overturn the results.
And I was like, I don't want to do another segment talking about it, because he just did it again, like, a couple days ago.
And it's like, here we go.
Another claim challenging it for many of the same reasons.
And I'm like, really, man?
Can an alien just, like, come with a jetpack and land so we can change the subject?
ian crossland
That'd be cool.
tim pool
You know what I mean?
Talk about something else.
joey salads
We'll throw them in cages.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, probably.
Illegal aliens?
lydia smith
Illegal aliens, yeah.
ian crossland
Maybe meditation, but aliens.
joey salads
Definitely aliens.
unidentified
I prefer it.
ian crossland
Aliens would be fun.
lydia smith
So I'm gonna ask the obvious question.
ian crossland
Maybe I'm playing too many video games.
lydia smith
Ian, let me ask you the obvious question.
Why didn't they go and scoop up this thing that crashed?
ian crossland
Like, it landed across the mountains, right?
It's definitely a satellite.
lydia smith
Dude, what is it?
ian crossland
There's multiple videos of this.
tim pool
It's crazy.
It's like, look at this, look at this video.
It's like, it's night out.
And it looks like daylight, whatever this is.
joey salads
That's big.
Yeah, dude.
lydia smith
It's a bunch of illegal aliens.
tim pool
It looked like a bolide, a very bright meteor.
Very convenient.
Or it was aliens firing off their test weapon.
joey salads
If that was a meteor, wouldn't there be a little bit more of an explosion on the ground?
tim pool
When it hits the ground?
I don't know.
joey salads
Yeah, wouldn't something happen?
tim pool
I don't know if it would explode.
Let's see, the Nansiang County government told Red Star News that it had heard the matter but was unclear of the details.
joey salads
That must be scary.
tim pool
Interesting.
And then Daily Mail gives us this really great breakdown of what an asteroid, comet, meteor, meteorite, meteorite is.
unidentified
That's helpful.
tim pool
Thank you.
ian crossland
Yeah, what's the difference?
tim pool
An asteroid is a chunk of rock left over from collisions of the early solar system, mostly located between Mars and Jupiter.
A comet is a rock covered in ice, methane, and other compounds.
It orbits take them further in the solar system.
A meteor is what astronomers call a flash of light in the atmosphere when debris burns up.
A meteoroid is the debris itself.
Most are so small, they vaporize the atmosphere.
And if any of this meteoroid makes it to Earth, it's called a meteorite.
That's so dumb.
joey salads
That's why you see comments, like Haley's comment, that like comes back, because it's like stuck in the atmosphere.
ian crossland
And it's ice.
So when asteroids rock, comet is ice.
And a meteor is when it enters the Earth's atmosphere.
tim pool
Dude, when I saw this, I thought it was day out.
And then I just watched the video and I realized it was actually night time.
joey salads
What if it was the exposure of the camera got messed up?
tim pool
And that's all it is?
Not because there's multiple videos of it?
joey salads
No, no.
Oh, I mean, uh, for the daylights.
It could have been the exposure of the camera.
tim pool
But I think because the, uh, the other video where it shows it's really dark out.
joey salads
Yeah.
tim pool
And then you see it light up.
joey salads
Yeah.
tim pool
Like in this video, it's like really dark out.
There's no sun.
joey salads
It could be some new military equipment that went wrong.
lydia smith
Yeah, maybe.
tim pool
Yeah.
China could be testing some kind of crazy weapons and that's it.
ian crossland
Do you think aliens are real, Joe?
joey salads
Of course.
tim pool
You think they're here?
joey salads
I mean, if they're real, they would be here.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Why would they be here?
I don't know, because they probably... Do you go and hang out and, like, watch anthills?
I guess some people do, you know what I mean?
What if, like, aliens are just, like, little kids watching stupid humans do dumb human stuff, and we think they're, like, this intelligent race that can't come here?
Like, think about you staring at an anthill and just watching them do their thing and being, like, it's crazy.
joey salads
It's, like, so irrelevant, too.
tim pool
Yeah.
So you're just like looking at it because you're like, I don't know, or like imagine watching pigeons and you're like wondering where the baby pigeons are because you never see them, you only ever see full-grown pigeons.
What if that's what it is?
It's like the aliens who come here are just driving by and it's like rubbernecking, they're like driving by Earth and they're like, oh look at all those people down there, what are they doing?
And then people are like, the aliens are here!
They're gonna kill us all!
And the aliens are like, I gotta go to Jim's house.
joey salads
We're definitely an irrelevant speck to them.
tim pool
Maybe.
We got nuclear weapons.
I guess that's concerning.
It just depends on where the aliens are in terms of ability and technology.
joey salads
You gotta think.
All of existence, what, billions or trillions of years?
I don't know how long of existence and how long have we existed.
And then there's all that time before.
So who knows?
They can be a hundred million years civilization.
ian crossland
Which could be infinite amounts of time.
The big bang is just one of many rubber banding explosions of coalescence of matter and then propulsion.
tim pool
What if we're the first?
joey salads
That's statistically impossible.
tim pool
No, it's not.
joey salads
I mean, it is possible statistically, but I mean, it's actually one of the answers to Fermi's paradox.
Yeah.
tim pool
You're familiar with Fermi's Paradox, or no?
No.
It's this idea, like, if the universe is this big, and it's existed for this long, and life is produced at this rate, shouldn't we have seen aliens at some point, or some evidence of them?
And there's a bunch of different... It's a question, basically.
And there's a bunch of different answers as to why we haven't.
One of the scariest ones is called the Great Filter.
The Great Filter is this idea that all civilizations, intelligent civilizations, come to a point where they destroy themselves.
joey salads
Yeah.
tim pool
That's the idea that the globalists have.
The climate change people.
That's why they want the authoritarian lockdown, because they feel like humanity will wipe itself out with war, with famine, with death, with pollution and destruction, unless we control every aspect of their lives.
I don't believe that's true.
joey salads
What if they destroyed themselves and then rebuilt?
And then that's...
You know?
Or they kept destroying themselves multiple times.
tim pool
Well, the idea is, like, if we fired off every nuke and every arsenal in a mutually assured destruction, this planet would be a smoldering rock.
joey salads
They'd just be unmanageable.
Well, honestly, I think these other... We're humans.
They could have evolved differently.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
They could be giant floating sacks of gas.
joey salads
Or wolf people.
Or, like, what if they're... Big, giant ants that just work together like a hive mind.
tim pool
Insects.
With tentacles for arms, and they don't care about... Like, our idea of emotions and everything might not exist on whatever these aliens are.
ian crossland
They could breathe methane.
There's so many...
But okay, so our universe was formed, it looks like it was mitosis that formed our moon.
Planet Theia, after the cataclysm of the solar system's creation 3.6 billion years ago, 24 planetoid bodies all colliding, one of them smashed into Earth, they call it Theia, and then it came out the other side like this form of mitosis, this molten ball that slowly cooled into the moon, this perfect magnetic shape that blocks out the sun exactly when you have it between the Earth and the sun.
tim pool
No, no, no, not at the time.
ian crossland
Yeah, and it looks like it's magnetically all kind of held in place.
But gravitally, that's the reason why we grew up on this planet is because we had that moon pulling the tides and like evolving our bodies.
It's possible that that is a chemical reaction that's common throughout the universe that that planetoid mitosis.
So maybe, but I haven't, I don't think we've ever located another solar system where we can condemn that that has happened.
joey salads
Didn't they find water on Mars?
ian crossland
Definitely.
tim pool
Water particles, I think, in the soil.
Well, they're not sure.
I think they recanted that or whatever.
But there's a ton of Earth-like planets.
joey salads
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, I guess the issue, though, is, you know, going back to Fermi's paradox, the Great Filter is one of the problems.
The other is we might be the first.
We might be the first intelligent species.
It's possible.
I think it's unlikely.
joey salads
But define intelligent.
tim pool
Capable of manipulating their environment and you think that's like a planet of little dinosaurs running around?
Probably.
joey salads
They were here before.
If that's there, eventually they would evolve into something like us.
tim pool
Not necessarily.
Evolution isn't linear.
Intelligence isn't necessarily going to guarantee your survival.
So we eventually, I think it was like 40,000 years ago, humans got to the point where they were like, hey, I realized something.
I can use this rock to do a thing.
You ever see that video of the orangutan spearfishing?
Yeah, so that they're saying like orangutans are reaching like some kind of like caveman state where they're like using tools and that's why I think the aliens spliced our DNA Wow, well, that's like one of the famous conspiracy theories that aliens took primates and spliced their DNA and we don't have a missing link We do have the missing link though I heard that there's like millions of year gap.
ian crossland
We murdered them all off, all those other hominins.
tim pool
20 years ago there was the missing link that people would cite for evolution, that's why they didn't believe it.
And then we found the missing link.
And they say, well what about the missing link between this and the next one?
joey salads
Yeah, there's always a missing link.
tim pool
Then we found it, then we found it, and we've actually gone way back.
And then we found, I think it's called Lucy, the oldest human ancestor, like a skull.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So you found evidence of this stuff.
joey salads
And people back then were smaller, too.
Well, I don't know if it went bigger than smaller.
tim pool
Dude, in like 1900, people were like five foot six.
joey salads
Yeah.
tim pool
Now they got all tall and now they're getting shorter.
ian crossland
Bovine hormones.
joey salads
That's why apparently, I heard that the Napoleon complex, like of him being short and whatever, he was just normal size back then.
tim pool
Right, exactly.
And the reason people think he was short is because his guards were big, because he would clearly pick the big, strong dudes to guard him.
ian crossland
And the British intentionally ran with it to make fun of him and spread that rumor.
lydia smith
That makes sense.
ian crossland
You ever hear of the stoned ape theory?
What's that?
Apes, that we evolve from apes, but it was because they started eating marijuana and mushrooms.
tim pool
Psilocybin.
ian crossland
And started to, their brain chemistry started to change, they gave them intelligence.
lydia smith
Is this a Joe Rogan thing?
ian crossland
Yeah, I think Joe's talked about it a lot.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's a Joe Rogan thing.
ian crossland
And I'm all about like animal, I'm not into animal cruelty, but I would love to corral a bunch of apes and feed them mushrooms and just watch them.
lydia smith
See if they want to eat it.
ian crossland
Yeah, and just let them kind of watch.
So maybe that's what we are for another species.
joey salads
Here's a thought.
Experimenting.
So I guess, you know, a lot of religious people believe that, you know, us humans were the only ones with a soul.
And then, like, I guess animals have life forces.
But then obviously we know evolution is a real thing.
We know we evolved from something.
And let's just say we evolved from apes.
At what point in that evolutionary... Or the common ancestor.
Yeah.
And I'm like, at what point in that evolutionary process does one have a soul and one doesn't?
If you do believe in all that.
You know, is there, like, the mo- like, where is that one point?
tim pool
Well, there are interesting things.
We talked about this on the show with Michael and Alex, Alex Jones, the Precambrian Explosion.
There's a period in the fossil record where all of a sudden there's just a ton of different species.
And there's a bunch of different explanations for why it is, but people often look at that and say, like, you had very limited life, then you had a bunch of different species all around the same time something happened.
And, uh, you know, there's weird stuff we can't answer.
You know what I think people need to realize, too?
If we look back, scientifically, with carbon dating, with fossil records, with, you know, looking at the sedimentary layers of, like, you know, when things happened, you can see, like, volcanic ash, you can see, like, radiation.
It's all really well and good, because the logic is there, but you wouldn't be able to look back and find a spaceship.
So like, the point I'm making is, while I don't think- There's a lot of weird stuff in the Egyptian stuff.
Like the helicopters, and spotlights, but here's the point I'm saying- Even in the Bible, I mean- Yeah, spaceships.
joey salads
Moses followed a beaming light in the sky for seven days, went behind a rock, and God gave him a tablet.
ian crossland
Yeah, electricity is not that hard to make with vinegar and iron.
tim pool
There's some, there's some like, there's like some book where a dude goes up to heaven and meets God or something like that.
joey salads
Oh, uh, Mary was thrown up into heaven, body and soul.
lydia smith
There's Moses.
Moses went up a mountain and spoke with God.
tim pool
No, it was a guy who got beamed up.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Hot air balloons are super simple contraptions.
lydia smith
You might be thinking of John.
ian crossland
With a little bit of propulsion, like electromagnetic heat on a hot air balloon.
Um, hang gliders, super easy to make.
I wonder if they got into the orbit though, because then you need... No, I'm talking about the Book of Enoch.
unidentified
Yeah.
Okay.
lydia smith
So that's not in the Bible.
Just so you know.
tim pool
Right, right, right, right.
It's, it's, it's the Hebrew thing.
It's apocalyptic religious text.
It was removed from the Bible.
lydia smith
Yes.
unidentified
Apocryphal.
Yeah.
tim pool
It's outside the Bible.
ian crossland
It was removed from the Bible.
By who?
joey salads
Lots of books were.
Who has the authority to do that?
All the different councils.
lydia smith
Yeah, they had councils about this.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
This is the Council of Nicaea?
unidentified
Yeah.
joey salads
The first one?
lydia smith
I don't think it was the first one.
tim pool
I'm pretty sure this is a story of the guy who, like, was brought to heaven.
unidentified
Oh?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Dude, I want a copy of the OG Bible before Nicaea got their hands on it.
lydia smith
I'm sure it'd be interesting.
ian crossland
Talking about drugs, talking about how much acid they all dropped.
Or ergot, at the time.
lydia smith
I don't think you'd find it.
joey salads
Yeah, there's so many, like, theories of what the Bible could be about.
Could it be drugs?
Could it be aliens?
Could it be really, you know, God and everything?
tim pool
Or it could just be, like, All of the above.
It could be a collection of stories to help guide people.
joey salads
That's what I tell people all the time.
Whether you believe in God or not, or Jesus or not, the Bible is a book of how to live your life.
It's a good person.
tim pool
The don't eat shellfish and don't eat pork thing?
It's a safety thing.
It was telling people, here's the things you should live by.
It was bronze age individuals doing the best of their abilities.
And it was an attempt at explaining a lot of things.
And with limited knowledge, they created the book, man.
It's called The Book.
It's what the Bible means.
lydia smith
Put it all together.
ian crossland
Oh, interesting.
What language is that?
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
It means The Book.
Dude, I'm into the miracles.
tim pool
The dude... Bibliotheca?
ian crossland
Like, if you've ever done Reiki, have you ever practiced Reiki?
Where you use, like, your magnetic field to put energy, heat into other people or withdraw?
I don't know about all that stuff.
unidentified
I'm crazy, man.
ian crossland
So did Jesus, trust me.
And, uh, he was apparently a healer, like an energy healer, so I think he went and learned Reiki in, like, India, and then came back and had all this, like, reused Reiki on people.
lydia smith
He was only 33, and that's not recorded.
ian crossland
He disappeared in his 20s, and no one knows where he went.
tim pool
You know, wasn't it, like, 13 to 30?
He was gone.
ian crossland
He was, like, in the East, practicing or meditating with, like, yogis and stuff, I don't know.
tim pool
Kung fu and stuff.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Not Kung Fu, like martial arts.
No, I feel like people think that he went and trained, you know, and I don't know if that's true because it's not in the Bible, but there's a lot of people, there's like different cultures have depictions of Jesus and all of these depictions are of their particular ethnicity.
It's interesting.
There's like a drawing of Jesus in like East Asia and he's like Asian.
lydia smith
It's definitely an idea.
joey salads
21 Jump Street.
tim pool
And apparently that's all related to aliens and other weird drugs and whatever.
Let's read superchats!
If you have not already, smash that like button, throw in your superchats.
We're going to read your comments now, everybody.
Merry Christmas again.
Benjamin says, who is John Galt?
I don't know, who is that?
ian crossland
He's a guy.
tim pool
Who is John Galt?
ian crossland
I'm just going to shrug that one off.
lydia smith
Yeah, right.
tim pool
Well, that's a good question to ask when we have Joey saying that he's leaving California and we're talking about leaving Philly.
ian crossland
Who is John Galt is a reference to Atlas Shrugged, I believe, an Ayn Rand novel and a group of capitalists that has decided they've had it with society's overbearing arches and want to go create their own magical community on Staten Island.
Just kidding about the Staten Island.
Where do they make it in the book?
tim pool
Is it like a fictitious... Yeah, it's in like West Virginia, I think, or something.
unidentified
Is it?
ian crossland
That's where we're going.
tim pool
gemcast says hey what do you think about a new executive power so the president can do a super veto where congress can't overrule of course he would get a set amount of these but this would stop the omnibus packages I don't know about that.
I think the Founding Fathers were pretty clever with how they set everything up.
And the fact that they're trying to curtail the President's power to invoke the Insurrection Act, like, negates the point of the Executive Branch.
The Executive is supposed to be able to act quickly and decisively in the face of a threat.
Congress being like, well, you gotta get our approval, kind of just takes that power away, which is kind of ridiculous.
So, that's a bad thing in my opinion.
Dr. Certifiable says, if Biden is compromised, can't the U.S.
just out-bribe China so he works for us?
That's it.
unidentified
Yes.
Oh.
tim pool
Yeah.
GTR35 says, Ethereum is down.
Time to buy.
I just bought some Bitcoin.
lydia smith
Ethereum.
tim pool
Ari Halbrin says, Merry Christmas, Tim and crew.
Thank you for all you do, keeping me informed and entertained at work.
unidentified
Both.
Appreciate it.
lydia smith
Merry Christmas.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Max Lang says, Tim, you are dead wrong about what would happen as fallout of repealing Section 230.
It would not be a mass exodus the way you make it out to be.
It would be an instant barrage of lawsuits against Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube, and then they would have to shut down the services to stop this from happening, and they'd probably do it before the repeal went into effect.
There's just, I just don't see a way around that.
They have no liability protection, and they have hundreds of millions of users.
And you know Trump will immediately sue, like, to Twitter for every fake news story.
And there would be no protection.
Now, theoretically, Twitter could try and claim anti-slap defense, but then Twitter has to pay for all of this.
For each user?
defense for these filings.
ian crossland
For each user, that's crazy.
tim pool
No, for each suit, for each lawsuit.
So if Trump said, I'm suing Twitter 3,578 times for all of the fake news put out by
these lists of journalists, all these individual defamation suits targeting Twitter.
Now I'm not saying he'd actually do that, because that's obscene, but it would probably
be rolled up into one suit listing all of these as infractions.
Everyone would start doing it.
Maybe not everybody, but it would be enough for these big companies to be like, we cannot assume that liability.
So we are going to put a pause on everything, and then only verified people.
I don't know how Twitter would function.
Twitter literally is a machine that generates fake news and defamation.
That's all it does.
Twitter is not telling you any secrets.
Twitter is not informing you as to the true realities and nature of this world.
Twitter is a place where political activists go and talk crap about each other.
joey salads
It's the source of cancel culture.
Yes.
That's the direct source.
tim pool
Twitter is terrible.
Ban Twitter.
joey salads
And all you need is a thousand, two thousand people.
tim pool
Maybe section 230 should be gone.
ian crossland
No, because you need... Internet video is good.
Internet tax is risky.
tim pool
No, but you'll have your own website.
You make your own website.
ian crossland
That's what we need.
tim pool
Yeah.
Make your own website.
ian crossland
Do it anyway.
tim pool
Yep.
And then there could theoretically be a workaround for new platforms that could arise without 230 that would bypass this by not restricting in any capacity, any publishing capabilities.
There's probably interesting workarounds like a mesh network RSS style feed.
They could be like, we didn't publish this.
It's on his server, not on ours.
It's just, all we do is aggregate links.
ian crossland
You can view it for, you can portal into it from ours, but it's on their server.
tim pool
Exactly.
We didn't publish this.
We're just, you know, showing other people our posting.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
So that might be a good thing, actually.
And then people would still have to sue you, but it would strip away the powers of these big corporations.
So that could theoretically work.
ian crossland
You could have your own ads that way.
And building an ad integration thing would be key to making that function.
tim pool
Gregory Horton says, Stephen Crowder has Mug Club, BlazeTV, Ben Shapiro has Daily Wire, Alex Jones has Infowars, you have SCNR.
Don't fear the 2.30 repeal.
I think if they repeal 2.30, they're going to let me keep doing my thing because they like me as a... What's the right word?
Tepid, milquetoast fencer?
joey salads
Could you give them retention time?
tim pool
But yes, combined with the fact that I don't swear, I don't insult, I for the most part don't insult people.
I sometimes, I think we did a couple times on this show, I call people morons.
But I don't like single out individuals and say this person is dumb.
In fact, even when I'm criticizing people on the left, I usually throw in a couple compliments.
Like, I did a video recently about Cenk Uygur's op-ed where he was talking about the three different realities in America, and I said he was wrong, but he's got a few of these things right, so my respect, you know, because he did make some good points.
I won't make a video where I just attack somebody and insult them.
I always try to keep it, you know, that's why they like me.
ian crossland
Your YouTube guy is Lawful Good, and you're forced to talk about, like, chaotic evil things, but you do it from a Lawful Good perspective, so they're really happy.
tim pool
It's hard to argue why my content shouldn't be allowed.
It's opinions people don't like, but I don't insult and target or anything like that, you know?
Daniel Maxwell says Section 230 needs to be amended to require all companies claiming their protections from it to abide by court interpretations of First Amendment protections and all laws regarding the First Amendment protections.
It's actually simple.
They need to change the phrase otherwise objectionable into illegal.
That's it.
Case closed.
Okay, not really.
There's probably a bunch of other nuance.
But they have a provision that allows them to moderate and remove content so long as it's deemed lewd, lascivious, filthy, obscene, or otherwise objectionable.
The otherwise objectionable part is where they ban anyone and everyone because they go, well, in my opinion, saying orange man good is offensive because the orange man is in fact bad.
lydia smith
Misgendering.
tim pool
Yeah, misgendering, right?
Not objectionable to any conservative, but to them it is, so they ban it.
Get rid of otherwise objectionable to illegal, and then all of a sudden people can say things like they're only two genders or whatever.
Dan Saw says, Hey Tim, just wanted to let you know that the jerky will be sent within the next five or so days.
I forgot to ask where.
I forgot to ask before if there was anything you or anyone was allergic to.
Email me so I know.
I didn't realize you were sending us jerky.
lydia smith
I did not realize this either.
tim pool
Trent Lamalino says, If you get nuked, I'm done with YouTube and I'll follow you and the gang wherever.
I'll donate whatever needed that I can.
Your crew is needed.
I appreciate it.
And I think the one thing we really need to step up on Uh, I mentioned this before, but there are a lot of podcasts that are not top podcasts.
We are a top podcast.
This is crazy.
Uh, this show and my Tim Pool Daily show, we have Tim Pool Daily and Timcast IRL and iTunes and stuff.
And these are top little podcasts.
Not like number 10 or anything.
It's like number 230 and like number 170.
So it's still pretty good.
But there are shows that are like ranked 500 or 1000, not even the top charts.
They don't even register.
And these people make millions of dollars.
It's really simple.
They just have proprietary websites where they say, come to our site, you pay X to hang out, and we give you premium stuff.
That's something we don't do.
You know, our show relies just on like the YouTube system, and we probably should start producing stuff directly for people who want and like the content.
joey salads
So that's what I just started to do.
Cause I was so, when I got demonetized on YouTube all around, I got so scared that they were just going to cut me off completely.
What am I going to do?
I'm done.
So I, I've been working on like my own individual app for just all my content.
So I'm going to start promoting that.
Um, so this way, like anything I want, I just post it there and I'm going to post like all the uncensored versions.
So when I want to talk about, you know, the vaccines and stuff, Hey, that's going to be on the app.
ian crossland
What's the app?
Do you have a name for it or anything?
tim pool
But you realize, you'll get banned for off-site behavior, right?
That's a new thing they're adding?
joey salads
Yeah, I don't know if YouTube does that yet, but I know Twitch does that.
tim pool
And Patreon does that.
joey salads
Yeah.
The app actually just came out today, but it's not ready yet.
But I'm going to call it America Now News, so this way I can grow it beyond me.
Right, right, right.
Because I want to bring in new hosts, new writers and stuff.
unidentified
Nice.
tim pool
Right on, man.
Ed Caron says the $10 million to Pakistani gender studies is infuriating and all, but what about the $500 million to Israel?
First and foremost, why are we giving any money to anyone else when our country is locked down and in full-on panic mode?
That makes no sense.
But I will say, you can justify military aid to a place like Israel.
You can justify it.
I'm not saying it's correct.
I'm saying there's a legitimate argument and you'll argue with someone.
There's no argument for $10 million to package any gender studies.
I'm sorry.
Like, that can wait, okay?
I don't know what their gender studies thing is.
You don't need the money.
ian crossland
Someone's like, I'll vote yes if you put this in.
And then like four other people are like, yeah, we support that.
We'll all vote yes if you put that in.
tim pool
Why didn't a Republican just put in Donald Trump on the election?
joey salads
Yeah.
Why not?
tim pool
Nobody read it!
joey salads
AOC was railing against how long the bill was, how they don't have time to read it all, it's all long, and then she votes in favor of it.
Meanwhile, her and Ted Cruz are agreeing on a lot of points on that bill.
tim pool
Ted Cruz voted no.
joey salads
Ted Cruz voted no, AOC voted yes, and that's the problem.
tim pool
Josh Hawley, Republican, also complained on Twitter, and then voted for it anyway.
ian crossland
Oh my god.
tim pool
Yeah, it was an excuse, but people need the money for the holidays, you know?
Let's see.
Nicholas Bowling Show says 100% disagree, Tim.
They are already unfairly banning conservatives.
230 doesn't protect us.
Hey, Joey, I interviewed you for my site, remember?
Nicholas Bowling Show.
joey salads
Yeah, I remember.
tim pool
So, uh, that's actually a good point, you know?
I guess conservatives who have already been banned and can't have channels are like, why would I care?
Nuke the whole thing.
ian crossland
Well, you got to think outside yourself.
You know, there's a greater good.
You know, I know that.
tim pool
The argument is, if they can't be on it, shut it down because it's unfair.
ian crossland
Vengeance is a real feeling.
tim pool
It's not vengeance.
It's if you get rid of it, it levels the playing field.
ian crossland
Screw them.
tim pool
Level the playing field.
lydia smith
I understand the one and two.
ian crossland
Yeah.
But the most powerful person tends to dominate a level playing field.
tim pool
Rational Redneck says, what would the repeal of Section 230 mean for sites like BitChute?
It would mean that BitChute is personally responsible for all content posted on its site because they would now be treated like a newspaper making the statement themselves.
ian crossland
Do they host content, or is it all torrented between... How does that... How does BitChute function?
tim pool
Well, I think it's torrented.
So maybe they would argue we don't actually host it.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
Maybe they would be fine.
Mr. Stantastic says, Ian, don't get enough credit.
Lids is great as well.
As you, Tim, first super chat, but I've had a beer and need to listen to y'all later.
Thanks for what you do.
unidentified
Appreciate it.
ian crossland
Homie, what up?
Don't forget Joey Salads while we're at it.
Joey Saladino.
tim pool
Joey Saladino.
Lorenzo Garcia says CNN apparently just released Trump's budget demands, and they're similar to the original proposal.
Yeah, I saw that.
I don't know a whole lot about it, but I think the issue is budget demands are different from using the COVID stimulus as a hostage.
Like, you know, using the American people as a hostage, basically.
You have to vote for this, otherwise the people won't get their $600, which they can't do anything with because it's a pittance.
ian crossland
Is it taxable, too?
tim pool
No, probably not.
ian crossland
Unemployment insurance is taxed.
joey salads
I told my girlfriend, my girlfriend, she never collected and she's like unemployed because of lockdown.
So she's going to get a fat check from all the backup from California, then from this.
And I told her like, you know, since she doesn't really need it like urgently, I'm going to help her like invest it to like flip it.
Smart.
ian crossland
Investments have been popping off lately.
joey salads
I'm investing in all the companies that support lockdowns.
I'm investing in all the companies that support Biden, because those are the ones that are going to survive.
ian crossland
Yeah, I'm invested in some military tech.
joey salads
I got into BlackRock because of you.
tim pool
They're super cheap.
Oh, really?
joey salads
Cause I heard him talk about it.
They're investing in China.
tim pool
Oh, you were saying, well, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Investing in, in what, like things that you think are going to go up because of the current politics.
joey salads
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
joey salads
So how were you talking about corporate America pretty much taken over?
Like, Hey, just fight Palantir.
As much as we, I don't want it to happen as much as I don't want McDonald's and you know, Apple and Amazon to take over the world.
Like it's a way I can't do anything to stop it.
So if it's going to happen, I might as well ride the wave.
tim pool
No, I disagree, dude.
I was like, I want to invest in people I believe in.
joey salads
Who do I invest in when I'm already in Tesla?
tim pool
You buy stock in it, you'll get some say.
I was like, maybe if everybody did, you could be like, shut her down.
ian crossland
I was like, I want to invest in people I believe in.
Who do I invest in?
I'm already in Tesla.
I was like, I want to invest in Tim, but I am with my energy.
tim pool
Like we're creating a network.
Wait, hold on, hold on.
I just got an idea.
Like, do you think enough Americans could come together and buy enough shares and pool
their shares to actually like shut down a company like Amazon?
joey salads
I thought about doing that with Google.
I'm like, maybe if I get enough money one day, I can just buy enough shares of Google to the point where I tell them they have to remonetize my pages.
ian crossland
I think that's a hostile takeover.
It's a tech.
They used to do that a lot.
tim pool
Imagine if like everybody bought one share of a big company and then collectively voted.
You'd have like a massive portion of this company publicly controlled and they'd have to do what the shareholders wanted.
Maybe that's like a way to make change, you know?
joey salads
Yeah, you start like a collective firm that does it.
tim pool
Yeah.
joey salads
That's really cool.
tim pool
MRT Fortune says, with the steel tariffs, it doubled the price of materials for a small manufacturing company I worked at.
It seems similar to the minimum wage debate.
This is interesting because I'm talking to a steel building company.
It's actually not that expensive to get a big steel building and we want to do it so that we can have a place to film and have different sets.
And they told me today that they're like, we can't give you a quote right now because the price of steel is about to go way up.
ian crossland
Maybe we should just look into graphene.
It's lighter.
tim pool
You can't build a graphene building.
ian crossland
You might be able to now.
It's lighter than steel, too.
tim pool
You know what's interesting?
We have these graphene composite batteries I bought for everybody.
Because, like, Ian, you talk about graphene all the time.
So, I was like, Christmas is coming up, and I looked up graphene products, and they have these batteries.
This is crazy stuff, dude.
They hold, like, two and a half cell phone charges, and they charge in about 15 minutes.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
You can... So, like, let's say you forget to charge your phone.
You're like, oh man, you take the battery, you plug it in, 15 minutes later you grab it, walk out the door, and it's got two full charges in it.
unidentified
That's nuts.
tim pool
That's crazy.
That's graphene, dude.
So, that's where we're at so far.
I tried looking up how the battery works and it's like too new, I guess.
ian crossland
It's a super capacitor and a... It's a conductor and a capacitor.
So it can send current and store current.
So it's like a battery and a wire at the same time.
tim pool
PM says, they hate us because they ain't us.
Marissa says, thanks Tim, I meant to give $10, so I'm adding this to the other super chat.
I hate the Dems, love Staten Island.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
Shout out to Staten Island.
ian crossland
Love Staten Island.
tim pool
Charlotte Jerd, or Jerday, says, my daughter applied to McD's for her first job.
They told her she will start at $10 an hour for the first three months.
After that, her pay will be performance-based.
That's their loophole to get out of $10 an hour.
Really?
But they're paying her $10 an hour.
Let's see, Daniel J. Korica says, Long Island for statehood.
I, too, am sick of my taxes going to New York City.
Would Long Island be Republican?
joey salads
Yeah.
tim pool
You think so?
joey salads
I think all of Long Island, I'm pretty sure, voted Republican.
Besides, like, maybe one part.
tim pool
The Hamptons.
Is that Republican?
Seems like a lot of race Democrats.
I think so.
joey salads
You can definitely pull up the map.
I'm pretty sure it was, like, all red when I looked at the map.
ian crossland
That's including Brooklyn and Queens?
joey salads
That part was blue.
ian crossland
But they didn't outweigh the rest?
joey salads
I'm sure that population probably does outweigh Long Island.
That's the problem with Staten Island.
Staten Island's a very small borough population, comparatively.
So we have no say, basically, in the mayor.
Zero say.
tim pool
Neon Light says, I currently live in New York and it's getting insane here.
So far.
I live around the Finger Lakes, yet every rural area around me is forced to live by NYC rules.
NYC should not be a part of Upstate.
joey salads
And that's what I remember you saying on one of your episodes, which I agree with and I've been saying forever.
It's that, you know, I got the rural areas and you know.
You know, like New York City has all the voting power, and then you go to some other area, and they operate completely differently.
But now they're forced to follow those rules.
tim pool
Think about how insane it is.
Look, I get it if a city like Baltimore is like, we got a problem with guns, so we're gonna have some strict laws.
And not having those laws apply to people who live in Western Maryland, who live in the middle of the woods.
And what happens when 30 to 50 feral hogs come crashing on your property, but the state doesn't allow you to have guns because of what's happening in Baltimore?
These kind of things don't make sense.
It doesn't make sense.
ian crossland
We gotta break up New York.
tim pool
We should break up the country.
ian crossland
L.A.
has got multiple governors for their borough areas, like the different counties.
tim pool
I don't mean the different countries, by the way.
I mean different areas broken up into different areas.
joey salads
Beverly Hills has their own thing.
I don't think they have a mayor, but they don't follow L.A.
ian crossland
They kind of do their own thing.
L.A.
County, and then there's a bunch of counties within Los Angeles proper.
tim pool
Cities should be- these big cities should be separated from the states they're in.
joey salads
Yeah.
tim pool
Watch the rules change overnight.
Illinois becomes a red state.
joey salads
Well, they wouldn't let it happen because everybody would leave the cities.
tim pool
Like, we gotta get- They'd live in the red areas and work in the blue areas.
ian crossland
There's no reason for one guy to have the power that Blasio's got.
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
It's just too many people.
18 million people?
tim pool
Well, no, the issue is he doesn't have the power.
People just give it to him.
ian crossland
He's just given ridiculous edicts.
tim pool
He's not given the power to do this.
The cops just obey him.
ian crossland
Because they don't know what else they want.
They need their money.
tim pool
No, no, it's because the officers that obey the unconstitutional orders of de Blasio are obsessed with suckling his teats.
joey salads
So they love... And they hate each other at the same time.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
The officers that follow the unconstitutional edicts, like when de Blasio painted Black Lives Matter illegally in the street, those cops that went down to guard it are just in love with de Blasio.
ian crossland
They're just doing it for the money.
tim pool
And they love licking his feet.
joey salads
You should have arrested de Blasio for vandalism right then and there.
tim pool
Well, he stole taxpayer money to do it, and then 27 cops came out and they were like- During a pandemic.
unidentified
During a pandemic.
joey salads
Everyone has to wear a mask and shut their businesses down.
tim pool
And then 27 NYPD cops were like, the smart thing for me to do is to obey this man.
joey salads
Right.
tim pool
Instead of saying, I'm not gonna guard that, are you nuts?
joey salads
It's like we, we did, we bent over back for the police.
tim pool
You know what, you know what?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
So, the important point you brought up is that the cops who are screwing with this bar, there was NYPD there, but now de Blasio's like, I'm gonna bring in the sheriffs because the NYPD doesn't want to do it.
And I am not saying all cops.
I'm saying clearly there are cops in big cities run by Democrats who don't care.
And you know why?
It's really obvious.
Everybody lost their jobs.
joey salads
Honestly, the NYPD should arrest the sheriffs for violating the Constitution.
tim pool
But listen, listen.
joey salads
Just do it.
tim pool
You have people, cops in New York, and they're going around seeing everyone destitute, like suffering, and losing their money, and they're like, I have a job.
At least I'm safe.
And then de Blasio's basically like, I want you to oppress people and destroy their lives.
And the cop goes, better them than me.
ian crossland
And so they just give him- Now put on this white armor.
Now bow to the emperor.
joey salads
It's like how a lot of, I don't want to say the N-word, not the bad N-word, but the German N-word, German N-word?
ian crossland
National Socialist!
joey salads
Stormtrooper, that's what I was gonna say.
tim pool
I think I already said Nazi on the show.
unidentified
As long as you don't call people Nazis, you can talk about it.
joey salads
But, I mean, there was a lot of Nazis that were just doing it, just because they don't want to be on the other end.
tim pool
I read that there were Jewish Nazis, like Jewish guards, who were like, if they find out, so I'll just go along with it, because they were scared.
ian crossland
Dang.
joey salads
And you know what?
People have been telling me that because I made a post on my personal Facebook and I talked to my, you know, just my Staten Island friends and I would say like, dear law enforcement, we bent over back for you.
Please do not enforce these orders.
And some people are like, oh, they're just following orders.
It's not their fault.
tim pool
That's even worse.
joey salads
That's even worse.
I'm like, they took an oath to uphold the Constitution.
We're the ones paying them.
We're the ones that defended them.
tim pool
You don't want to see it.
joey salads
De Blasio and Cuomo only have the power that they are given.
By, I guess, us and then the police.
tim pool
No, no, no, by the police.
Michael Malice said this on the show.
That all of these illegal acts, all of these unconstitutional laws,
are letters to Santa without the men and women in uniform
willing to enforce against the Constitution.
You know what I'd love to see?
NYPD walking up to these sheriffs at that bar, Max's or whatever,
and just taking the, like, three NYPD guys, grab the sheriff,
and put your hands behind your back, you're under arrest.
joey salads
That's what needs to happen.
tim pool
You don't live here.
We live here.
These cops live in Staten Island.
Why would they let them come to their home?
I'll tell you this, man.
Could you imagine these NYPD cops who are either sitting back and doing nothing, or enforcing this?
Imagine if that was the caliber of young man we had during World War II.
They'd be like, they'd land on the beaches of Normandy and be like, look, man, you know, I'm just going to side with the people who are here because they're the ones in power.
I'm not going to fight to free people.
What we need people to stand up and say, I live here.
Get the out of my home.
joey salads
What we need to do is publicly, I guess, privately fund the good officers.
unidentified
Yeah.
joey salads
Because if they're worried about losing their job, that's illegal crowdfunding.
But yeah, if they're worried about losing their job and getting their pay cut, it's like, hey, you know, let's all build up this fund.
If you're worried about that, if you lose your pension, if you lose this, let's take it out of this fund.
Like, you're good.
unidentified
You're secure.
tim pool
We're creating a new police department.
ian crossland
Like a charity fund?
We could do a global charity fund.
joey salads
We're creating our own government.
tim pool
Here's what I'm advocating for.
Here's what I'm saying.
The police should arrest criminals.
joey salads
Yep.
tim pool
Does that sound crazy?
ian crossland
Well, if it's a bad law, yeah, you don't want them arresting people that are defying bad laws.
tim pool
I didn't say people defying bad laws.
I said criminals.
ian crossland
Crime doesn't make you bad.
Like, if it's a bad law, you want to become a criminal to fight against the bad law.
tim pool
You're misunderstanding.
I didn't say cops should arrest people who break the law.
ian crossland
I said cops should arrest Well, if you say everyone has to go out and punch people and I say I'm not gonna do it, then I become a criminal on that law.
tim pool
No, you're reading too much into it for no reason.
I'm saying that law and count— What I'm saying is when the sheriff shows up and illegally detains someone, that's called kidnapping.
And they have no constitutional authority or statutory authority to do it just because de Blasio said so.
It is then incumbent upon NYPD to say, you are under arrest for kidnapping.
ian crossland
For some crime, yeah.
I think they should uphold that kind of crime.
tim pool
That's literal crime.
The law says they can't do it, and they're doing it anyway.
They need to be arrested.
ian crossland
But if you make a law that says that you can't do something you need to do, then you have to become a criminal.
tim pool
We're not talking about made-up laws.
ian crossland
You just said police should go arrest criminals.
tim pool
We're not talking about some new law that was just made because de Blasio didn't pass any laws.
ian crossland
I'm just saying crime isn't the benchmark of whether or not you should be destroyed.
joey salads
I get what both of you guys are saying.
Because you're saying that criminality is based on the laws that were made, right?
Yes.
So, like, being a criminal is defined by the law.
But I get what you're saying at the same exact time, where de Blasio and these sheriffs are also breaking the law.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
The police should go and arrest criminals.
ian crossland
And I agree with you.
joey salads
You're both right at the same time.
ian crossland
Well, they should arrest those criminals.
tim pool
They should arrest criminals.
ian crossland
Not all criminals.
tim pool
Why not?
ian crossland
Because some laws are bad, and those people shouldn't be criminals.
joey salads
How about this?
Constitutional law.
ian crossland
I mean, I don't think non-violent drug offenders should be arrested personally.
Not marijuana.
I mean, you know, just because you say marijuana is illegal doesn't mean that you should go arrest them all.
It's a bad law.
tim pool
It shouldn't have been made.
It is a bad law.
They should be arrested.
They should sue and the law should be overturned.
ian crossland
But it destroys people's lives to get arrested and waste their time.
tim pool
Dude, having an argument about what you think is morally correct is not the point.
The point is, the sheriffs are coming in and breaking the law.
There's statutory law being broken by these sheriffs and by some NYPD, and there's spineless, pathetic, and terrified whiny baby cops who won't do anything about it.
ian crossland
I agree, but it's dangerous to say cops should arrest anyone that's breaking the law.
tim pool
That's- Cops should arrest people who break the law.
ian crossland
Because some laws are not right.
So we gotta be careful about encouraging- Yeah, that's what courts are for.
tim pool
Yeah, but you don't want to go disrupt everybody- And then you go to a Democrat court and they like, go for like- Bro, you can't- you can't argue that some cops have the discretion not to arrest people breaking the law because then you're gonna have a cop who- who helps and protects his friends.
The law has to be upheld.
We're a nation of laws.
If laws are not enforced, then what do we have?
ian crossland
I'm getting this because I told him he was lawful good.
Okay, you're neutral good.
It's a Dungeons & Dragons thing.
tim pool
Think about all the Democrats who are like, we should- we should decriminalize border crossings.
They shouldn't arrest these people.
They literally committed a crime.
And just because you don't agree doesn't mean I have to live by your rules.
If we vote for people and laws are passed, we deal with ramifications of that.
If eventually we find out the laws are bad, we change those.
Marijuana is now slowly being legalized as people start to realize.
And yes, Trump should pardon non-violent drug offenders.
Those who are literally non-violent, not anybody who pled down, pleaded down.
The point is in New York City, when an NYPD cop or a sheriff breaks the law, they need to be arrested.
joey salads
Or they fail to uphold their constitutional oath.
tim pool
No, they get fired for. That's not a crime.
joey salads
But I mean, who's going to fire them? The mayor's not going to fire them.
tim pool
And who's going to arrest the cops committing crimes?
joey salads
Should be the good cops.
tim pool
I don't care who you are, if you commit a crime, you get arrested.
Okay?
And that includes activists who are protesting peacefully in the state all the time.
Non-violent civil disobedience is the best, most effective way to get change.
It works.
We've seen it work.
It worked with civil rights.
And riots sour people to your cause, but you get arrested and you deal with the results of challenging the system.
There is a cost to challenging the system.
ian crossland
So should the FBI be the ones that are arresting cops that are violating the Constitution?
tim pool
The FBI doesn't do that.
FBI handles federal crimes.
joey salads
I saw a video online of a cop arresting another cop.
tim pool
Yeah.
joey salads
Right then and there.
Maybe the cop was doing a little too much.
I don't know.
I just saw the quick clip.
They immediately took him and they arrested the cop.
ian crossland
Were they both on duty?
joey salads
Yeah, they were both on duty cops, and I think they might have been working the same exact thing.
tim pool
Let me put it this way.
If I'm in New York, and some guy walks up to me, and grabs me, and throws me to the ground, and pins my arm behind my back, for no reason, that's assault and battery.
So, a cop should come and arrest that person.
I don't care what they're wearing.
I don't care if they're wearing a badge.
Now, the issue with a cop arresting you is different, because we as a community bestow authority upon people under the ideal that they're going to be stopping criminals.
Now, a lot of police forces have citations and fines and quota systems, and that's all bunk BS, for sure.
We can argue that.
But if I am doing everything legally, and I'm running my business, and some random guy comes in, and blocks the door, and won't let anybody in, or takes my customers, and, like, detains them, kidnaps them, takes them in their car, you gotta arrest that person.
Could you imagine if someone went to your business, and then just, like, grabbed the clerk, and threw him in a car, and drove off?
You'd be like, whoa!
Under no statutory or constitutional authority did that person do that.
I don't care if they're wearing a badge.
joey salads
Here's another takeaway from everything going on right now.
There's no constitutional enforcement from the federal government to the states.
tim pool
Trump can invoke the Insurrection Act because of this.
joey salads
He should have done this six months ago.
tim pool
Specifically, in the Insurrection Act, it says if people's constitutional rights are being deprived, he can send in the military to protect their rights.
ian crossland
I think he should.
I mean, he's not running for re-election anymore.
joey salads
I was hoping that Trump was going to win and then immediately do the insurrection act and arrest Cuomo, arrest de Blasio.
tim pool
He doesn't even need to arrest him.
He could send in the military to New York and reinstate people's lives.
joey salads
That's what needs that.
He should just do that right now.
tim pool
Just political willpower.
joey salads
Yeah.
tim pool
Trump could do it.
joey salads
Yeah.
That's what America needs right now.
tim pool
You know, it's funny because people are calling for Trump to invoke martial law and you've got like his most ardent supporters and the left is saying, you know, he can't do that or whatever.
We're already under martial law.
Martial law means military law, so not literally, but we are under totalitarian... Listen, there's constitutional authority and there's statutory law.
Statutory law are things that are passed by a legislative body.
Constitutional authority is based on what the constitution of your state or the federal government gives you.
Under neither of these, Cuomo, Wolf, Newsom, Whitmer have done things they're not allowed to do.
And the Supreme Court has said of the United States, you can't do that. So you know what they do?
Okay, this executive order has been disturbed by the Supreme Court. I'll issue the exact same one now.
ian crossland
Literally the exact same?
tim pool
Like they'll change some words or use some alternate arguments to do the exact same thing.
ian crossland
That sounds felonious.
tim pool
It sounds dictatorial, despotic, psychotic, and in violation of law.
And Trump could invoke the Insurrection Act because they keep doing it.
joey salads
The one thing I learned from all of this, there's a reason why we have the Constitution and there's a reason why the founding fathers put the number two in there.
I don't like to say it.
I don't like to think it.
I don't want it to happen.
tim pool
But you don't need to bring it up.
Trump's the president.
The problem isn't what the people are doing.
Right now, they elected Trump.
They elected Trump to solve these problems, and the people who are stomping on the rights of individuals could be stopped by the president right now.
joey salads
They could also be stopped by us.
That's a whole other conversation. I don't want like that to happen, but it just seems like
That would be at right now this point in time. There seems to be nothing happening from the federal government or from
trump And that I mean, yeah, it could be up to us. They're
ian crossland
destroying economics They're not like stealing people's children at night
If the cops were coming in and taking people's kids in the middle of the night, you'd probably see people
Enforcing their their second amendment. I don't know. I don't think so. You don't
tim pool
The James Younger case.
The James Younger case.
A man's son has been essentially taken from him and the courts ruled that the child will undergo gender reassignment therapy.
If a father wouldn't rise up in defiance of the government after his son was taken in that way, then I really don't see the political... The problem is Republicans were way more peaceful than the left.
joey salads
If we were as violent as the left, none of this would be happening.
tim pool
That's a scary thing.
joey salads
Yeah.
And, you know, the lockdown protests against Whitmer from months ago.
We had tens of thousands of Americans show up peacefully with guns, and what happened?
She extended the lockdowns.
tim pool
People with guns.
And that's it.
And people just went home.
joey salads
That was it.
Then they went home.
It's like, oh, because Republicans, we want to do everything legally in the courts.
tim pool
Because Republicans want to be left alone.
joey salads
Yeah, we just want to be left alone.
ian crossland
I appeal to the president, Donald, please enforce.
tim pool
You think you should invoke the insurrection act?
ian crossland
I think you should protect our economy at all costs from these psychotic rogues.
joey salads
Especially at the rate things are going right now.
If you're not going to win the election, what do you got to lose?
tim pool
It's kind of crazy that it's a slow boil, we're frogs in a pot, the economy is destroyed, these leftists have no idea how debt-to-GDP works, how money printing works, how modern monetary policy works, anything like this!
And they advocate for things that make no sense, like deficit spending to pay for healthcare.
It's like, all you're doing is stripping away the savings of people.
Like, it makes it so that nobody should save anything ever, but then of course they use that and say, well, you have no savings, we should have government, you know, mandated spending, you know, and buying of the resources you need.
With these Democrat states destroying the economy, we get this $600 COVID package.
That $900 billion deal attached to a total of $2.3 billion omnibus spending for ridiculous things like Pakistani gender studies shows you the system is corrupt, and Trump isn't fixing it.
That's it.
Trump apparently submitted a budget request that was similar to the omnibus.
So people are mentioning in the super chat whether it's true or not.
What does Trump come out and do?
What does Trump come out and do?
He says triple it.
Trump didn't say, re-open the economy now.
I will not sign this relief bill until there's a mandate for the states to re-open their economies and protect small businesses.
ian crossland
Throw more money at it.
tim pool
Exactly.
joey salads
He said, triple it.
tim pool
And Democrats, see what they said?
They said, much obliged.
joey salads
Absolutely, Trump.
Being a Republican, in one way, is kind of a double-edged sword versus being a Democrat.
And the Democrats' worldview of fixing it They can just come in and, like what the dictators are doing, these governors.
Oh, I want this done.
Oh, here's an order.
Blink, it's done.
Even though it's unconstitutional, it's tyrannical, it's illegal.
With Republicans, on the other hand, if they want to fix something, we don't act like, for the most part, we don't act like dictators to get something done and fix it.
We don't have to go this process, that process, and this pushback, and that, then you got to play the game and do all this.
Whereas if it was a Democrat, here's a bill, sign it, tyrannical, done.
ian crossland
Right.
Legislating what you want.
I think about that with gun control.
Like just saying it's illegal all of a sudden while people are at home printing their guns.
Like you can't enforce that law.
You look like a mockery.
tim pool
Donald Trump vetoed the NDAA.
In it is an amendment that would take away his ability to, it would curtail his ability to invoke the Insurrection Act.
He would require the Secretary of Defense and himself to sign off and provide reasonable certification to Congress to approve.
Otherwise, he would not be able to invoke the Insurrection Act.
So think about it this way.
One of the provisions of the Insurrection Act is to enforce the constitutional rights of the citizens of the state.
New York is in violation of that, numerous times, blocking people from going to churches and things of that nature.
Los Angeles is shutting off people's water and electricity for exercising their First Amendment right.
Mitch McConnell on the 29th is going to convene the Senate to override Trump's veto.
When that happens, Trump will lose the ability to invoke the Insurrection Act.
If Trump would do it, he has five more days.
That's it.
Four more days, probably, to do it before they override his veto.
ian crossland
Who do you have to send in?
The National Guard?
tim pool
Military or National Guard.
Federalized, National Guard or the military.
joey salads
I worry that if this sets a precedent, and that gets done, and what if Biden comes in and wants to ban guns nationwide?
tim pool
No, the Second Amendment, that would be in defiance of the Constitution.
joey salads
But, I mean, what we're seeing is these police officers don't care.
They're doing it.
But with the military, I think it's a little bit different.
tim pool
The military, I don't think would, well, we'll see.
joey salads
You know, like, I never thought I would see Law enforcement arrest people for not wearing a mask.
ian crossland
I never did.
tim pool
I've had experience with it.
ian crossland
Not here.
That's what they used to say.
joey salads
It'll never happen here.
It makes us think the military is not going to go door to door.
tim pool
They will.
joey salads
Right before lockdown started, I did an interview with an NYPD officer, and I was telling him about the whole lockdowns.
I'm like, I was saying, there's no way in hell that this will ever be enforced.
And this was before all this happened.
And he said to me, You'll be surprised.
I did not believe him.
I refused to believe him.
tim pool
And then a month later... I've been to enough countries, I've been to enough protests, and I've seen enough action from police to know that many of these people just don't care.
Now, I don't think all cops are bad.
You know, the left uses a worse word than that.
1312 or whatever.
ACAB.
I think there are a lot of bad cops, and I think we need police reform.
And I think there are a lot of good cops.
And they tend to be smaller cities, they tend to be more rural, and they tend to be conservative.
It's the big city cops who will, you know, beat you over the head and say, I don't care.
ian crossland
You're right, we need to fund them.
The people that are violating the orders.
Because if they lose their job, that's it, you know, for them.
But if we have a charity that's making sure they're going to get paid regardless, then there's incentive to do the right thing.
joey salads
You should start it, Tim.
tim pool
Nah, I don't know about that.
ian crossland
Hire someone to start it.
tim pool
You know, people get mad at me because they think I'm gonna be some, like, leader.
joey salads
I'll start it.
I'll start it, and then I'll pay you to promote it as a sponsorship.
tim pool
People, like, Trump supporters are mad, saying, like, everyone's gotta be on the front lines of this fight, and going out, showing up in D.C.
on the 6th, and I'm like, I might go to D.C.
I don't know if I'm gonna.
joey salads
I think people got tired of all these lockdown protests now.
tim pool
Well, the 6th isn't a lockdown protest.
The sixth is the overturning the election for Trump protest.
So they're saying everyone has to go there.
And I'm like, bro, I'm not a leader.
I'm not a part of your tribe.
I'm a dude who complains on the internet.
And I will always be that.
And I'm not going to rally or rabble or tell anybody what they should or shouldn't do.
I'll tell you what I think, what I want to happen.
And you do your thing.
You make your own opinions.
ian crossland
His drone war and escalation and his lack of leadership on Assange has really kind of soured me to Donald.
tim pool
What's his lack of leadership on Assange?
ian crossland
He's just not doing anything about it.
He keeps saying like, um, I'm considering, that was like last week and now this week he's announced he's still, he's considering it again.
tim pool
He instructed the, uh, Ecuadorian embassy, the raid on the Ecuadorian embassy.
That's, that's leadership.
Not, not what we want though.
ian crossland
Not the right leadership.
tim pool
Right.
So he certainly made a decision, pull Assange out of the embassy and now we've yet to see him pardon Assange.
ian crossland
It's all about pardoning the guy.
Like Daniel Ellsberg.
He revealed the war atrocities.
tim pool
Julian Assange didn't commit any crime.
He's just being effectively detained for a decade, nearly.
It's like eight years now.
And now he's facing charges because they just don't like that he's effective.
He exposed the intelligence agencies and some of the messed up stuff the U.S.
was doing, and it really helped Trump.
It showed a lot of Trump supporters exactly what they were doing and why, you know, a lot of these arguments against them, against like deep state, you know, people were correct.
And for a long time, like a good example is Sarah Palin.
She spoke out against WikiLeaks.
WikiLeaks published her emails.
Sarah Palin just came out defending Assange, because what we got out of WikiLeaks was good, and then you realize, you're gonna get, with WikiLeaks, you're gonna get stuff that you probably don't like, you don't want leaked, and you're gonna get stuff that you're probably grateful was leaked.
We learn these things from people like Assange.
But Assange isn't even the leaker or the whistleblower, he's the publisher, he's the journalist.
And they're doing this to him.
Trump needs to pardon that guy, ASAP.
The concern is if Trump pardons him right now, the UK will find an excuse to keep him.
And that Trump, his best bet would be to get Assange to the US before pardoning him.
unidentified
How?
tim pool
Don't think it's possible.
ian crossland
Like a secret raid to get him out of there?
tim pool
He already did that.
They raided the Ecuadorian embassy and arrested Assange and now the British authorities have him.
ian crossland
But I mean, a raid on the British authorities.
tim pool
Well, that's not gonna happen.
ian crossland
That'd be crazy.
tim pool
No, they're trying to extradite him.
But he has the legal right to block the extradition.
And they don't trust the US government, so they're not going to allow it.
So, I think Trump should just pardon him.
I don't think there's any point in waiting.
And if Sanjuan wants to stay in the UK and doesn't want to come here, then just pardon him and be done with it.
Whatever.
Now how do we deal with the fact that people have their rights completely stomped on in a bunch of these states?
I don't know.
Because do we just sit back as the water slowly boils and we sit in and we know for a fact because of Supreme Court rulings in like several states already they are actively violating constitutional rights of these people?
Or do we say, something must be done, and Trump should invoke the Insurrection Act, and, you know, hypothetically go in and enforce constitutional order?
ian crossland
I thought he should have done it on day two of the riots.
unidentified
Why didn't he?
ian crossland
But it's like there's the riots, and then there's the shutdown, and it's like they're two different psychotics.
tim pool
No, listen, the Insurrection Act has been invoked numerous times, like a couple dozen times, and the most recent was for riots, 1992 LA riots.
Then you also had the Baltimore riots.
Then you had the Chicago riots in 1968.
These were nowhere near as crazy as what we saw.
ian crossland
Because of the Insurrection Act problem.
tim pool
Well, I'm sorry.
Actually, the L.A.
riots were pretty nuts.
But I think nationwide riots and then a hundred days in the Pacific Northwest and Trump didn't do it.
ian crossland
There were like five days where they were just watching and then no one responded federally.
He doesn't have to worry about that right now.
joey salads
I probably didn't really happen over the summer and that stuff because I it's all politics at that point
It's like what move will help him win re-election will letting them destroy themselves
He doesn't have to worry about that right now. He doesn't need to worry or but at the end of the day
We also don't know what's going on behind the scenes with this election stuff
Maybe he knows some stuff that we don't know that maybe he knows I'm gonna win this
Did we I like that and the other thing we don't know that I like this this super check I read it
tim pool
Monty M says Ian pay your college loans then talk about cops
I was a cop for 13 years. The NYPD is a bunch of punks.
ian crossland
Well, right now my loans are on a temporary deferment because of COVID, but it's my, you know, probably number three concern with debts.
tim pool
I pay off my credit card debts and my taxes first, and then... IamPanda says, I agree with Joey Salads.
Everyone here put money where mouth is and show up on Jan 6th in D.C.
That's the big question.
Trump won't make a move unless he knows he has popular support.
If people don't show up on the 6th, I'll tell you this, if 10 million people show up in D.C.
on the 6th and it's just endless waves, Trump will do whatever.
Trump will be like, okay, done.
joey salads
I think I'm gonna go, because my flight is on the 6th.
I might just reschedule it so I can get there.
tim pool
Go to D.C.?
Yeah.
I'm hearing from people that aren't super political telling me they're going.
joey salads
Yeah, well that's the thing is people who aren't political are forced into being political because of the lockdowns.
Like, a normal business owner, a normal worker that doesn't care about politics, I just want to live my life.
tim pool
They want Trump to win.
joey salads
Yeah, now you're thrusted into it where when a Black Lives Matter throws a garbage can through your window, now you're in the political game.
unidentified
D.C.
ian crossland
is a great city to congregate into.
There's all this wide open space and like plazas and roads to shut, easy to shut down roads.
joey salads
Cool landmarks.
tim pool
Oh, interesting.
Jon Stewart says, the provision curtailing the Insurrection Act was only in the earlier H.R.
bill, not the final Senate draft that he vetoed.
Interesting.
I thought it was in the, it was added as an amendment.
There was a fact check on it that said it was included in the bill, but I guess, you know, they took it off.
Anyway, I'll say it again.
If, I think, if you had 10 million people in DC, I think Trump would invoke the Insurrection Act, he'd overturn the elections, he'd just do whatever he wants because he has the people right there.
He would literally just be like, say something.
You know what I mean?
The people are here, they support me, I'm gonna do it.
And they would cheer for it.
But if people don't show up, Trump's just gonna be like, thanks everybody, have a nice day.
Trump, like, in any political move, won't do anything unless they feel like they have their truth.
ian crossland
Yeah, Obama was the same way.
He didn't have any support, so he just capitulated.
tim pool
Yeah.
All right, let's see.
Let's just do one more.
Josh Branson says, the military has already gone door-to-door for guns before.
Look at post-Katrina New Orleans.
Interesting.
Well then, if you haven't already, smash the like button.
Thanks for hanging out on this Christmas Eve Eve show.
We're off tomorrow and for Christmas, and then we'll be back Monday.
And I'll be doing my show next on Saturday.
So check out my other channels at youtube.com slash TimCast and youtube.com slash TimCastNews.
You can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, at TimCast.
Joey, do you have anything you want to mention?
joey salads
Your Twitter?
My Twitter.
tim pool
Oh yeah, that's right.
Your Instagram.
joey salads
I guess like my podcast, The Joey Saladino Show or the app America Now News.
ian crossland
You got any merchandise?
joey salads
I got them wearing canceled.
ian crossland
Where can we buy that?
Merch link in bio.com.
lydia smith
Very cool.
tim pool
I got that URL.
ian crossland
Oh, that's awesome!
And your YouTube channel's pretty huge, right?
It's just not monetized right now?
joey salads
It's big.
I haven't posted in like six months because it's demonetized.
unidentified
YouTube reps, if you're watching, just throw me a bone.
ian crossland
Yeah, man.
Get this guy back on the market.
joey salads
I have a whole catalog of content I'm ready to post that I was filming.
I was like, Joey Sal's 2.0.
I'm going to come in hard.
I got highly produced content, and I'm right about to post it.
tim pool
Can't you do sponsors, though?
joey salads
Uh, my viewership plummeted after the demonetization.
Plus, the sponsorships don't really pay me much because it's hard for me to decide my price because my viewership fluctuation.
It's like, I'll get 50,000 views on a video, 2 million on this one, so it's like, how do I charge them?
ian crossland
Do you have a Mines account?
No.
I co-founded that with Bill.
You should get started on there, because I know Bill loves your work.
tim pool
Yeah, I'll check it out.
ian crossland
He's the CEO.
I bet he'd push your stuff really hard.
tim pool
Yeah, definitely.
Definitely mines.
joey salads
Yeah, I'll check that out.
tim pool
Because they actually have a pro partner program now, too.
joey salads
Okay.
tim pool
It's not as good as YouTube, but at least it's something to compete with.
Because, you know, with all due respect to, say, BitChute, Mine's actually, you get paid, like, a part of the program.
joey salads
That's the key.
tim pool
But it's not as good as Facebook or YouTube, but it's the only way to make it happen is to use it.
joey salads
I've been just distributing my content on, like, all the alt platforms.
You know, it's like, little bit here, little bit there, but it adds up, you know, it's something significant altogether.
ian crossland
Mine's just doing this new technology where they can, you can link it with your YouTube channel, so any new YouTube uploads will upload to Mine's automatically.
That's cool.
I'm gonna check that and write this down.
It's, uh, free software, which is nice.
unidentified
And I think that was, was there something else I was going to say about minds?
I don't know.
tim pool
Were you going to mention your minds?
ian crossland
Oh, I have a minds channel at Ian Crossland, along with all my other social media accounts at Ian Crossland throughout the internet.
tim pool
Right on, and of course you can follow at Sour Patch Lids.
lydia smith
You can, I'm on Twitter.
tim pool
Pushing all the buttons.
lydia smith
Yep, L-I-D-S.
tim pool
Posting spicy memes.
lydia smith
Correct.
tim pool
And we're back Monday, right?
lydia smith
Um, yeah.
tim pool
Maybe?
lydia smith
Well, I don't have anyone lined up yet.
tim pool
Oh, well we're super excited for like the second week of January is gonna be spicy.
lydia smith
It's getting, yeah, it's awesome.
tim pool
I'll just put it this way, there are people who are in Congress who are planning on coming.
lydia smith
You know their names.
tim pool
But I'm not gonna- I think I know.
I don't announce guests because when they cancel I'm gonna get disappointed.
lydia smith
Not if, but when, because they do.
tim pool
Well, especially people who are really busy and people like in Congress.
joey salads
Am I allowed to say my guess, or would that, like, give it away?
tim pool
Nah, don't say anything, just in case.
ian crossland
You know, Congress is a verb.
It means to move together.
tim pool
Ian, let me ask you a question.
What does pro and con, in that context, what does pro mean?
unidentified
Forward.
tim pool
What does con mean?
ian crossland
Against.
tim pool
What is progress?
ian crossland
To move forward.
tim pool
What is Congress?
ian crossland
To move against.
unidentified
Boom!
ian crossland
That's their job.
Say no to the president when he gets crazy.
unidentified
It's true.
joey salads
All right, everybody.
tim pool
Thanks for hanging out.
Merry Christmas.
Happy New Year.
We'll be back at some point.
We'll see you then.
Thanks for hanging out.
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