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Timcast IRL - SCOTUS DENIES GOP Lawsuit Over Mail in Voting, Is THIS The End?? w/ Will Chamberlain
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tim pool
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However, there is still a lawsuit coming from Texas.
Texas is suing four states, so maybe Maybe that's the one, right?
Everybody, Trump can still win somehow, I guess?
I don't know, a lot of people are mad because they're convinced, you know, no matter what, Trump is going to win somehow.
And admittedly, I will say, there's always some kind of open window, but the way I've described it is, you know, Trump is on track for some kind of victory, but the track's got loop-de-loops, there's like trees falling on it, so yeah, theoretically, if he makes it through all these obstacles, there is a way he becomes president again.
But it's looking—look, let's just be real, okay?
It's looking worse and worse with every one of these lawsuits.
But, far be it from me, I am no legal expert, and I can't tell you.
So I brought on a legal expert who recently got ratioed—one of the biggest ratios in Twitter history, I think.
Will Chamberlain.
What up?
will chamberlain
Yes.
tim pool
Who are you, Will?
will chamberlain
I'm Will Chamberlain.
I'm the publisher of Human Events.
I'm a lawyer, and I serve as senior counsel to the Internet Accountability Project and the Article 3 Project.
tim pool
Yeah, try and keep a little closer.
That way people can hear you.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
So, Will recently had a Twitter thread about... which case was it?
will chamberlain
I've done a thread on a number of cases.
I did one on the Third Circuit case, which we're not talking about today.
The crazy ratio you got of... Oh, the crazy ratio I got was just because I was frustrated with people telling me I dared say Biden was the president-elect.
And they were like, you can't say that yet.
Trump has... it's not official.
Technically true, but please don't tell me what to say on my Twitter, so I was just mad.
tim pool
We have to talk about what this means.
You're not a constitutional lawyer, you probably know better than anybody else in this room and many people on Twitter who are opining, so we'll talk about that.
Because we do have the Texas lawsuit, and a lot of people are super excited.
This is it.
Texas!
They're suing.
That's it, right?
will chamberlain
It's more hopeful than many other challenges that have been brought, but it's still a big long shot.
I mean, we can get into it.
tim pool
We'll get into it.
Because we've got a ton of other stories, too.
This is crazy.
Luke was just telling me that the FBI issued a warning saying that China's going to be targeting people on U.S.
soil.
It's not just that.
We've got This video that was published the other day on Fox News of a Chinese professor bragging, basically, that Joe Biden's compromised and that the old guard is back in power, so China's going to get what they want.
It's shocking stuff.
And so we'll talk about this stuff.
We'll talk about what's going on.
Portland police recently retreated.
Antifa overran them.
So we'll get into it.
We're hanging out with Luke Rudkowski.
He's chilling here.
So we have Luke and Will today.
It's a, it's a, it's a... It's a tuper.
Well, Luke's wearing his Santa hat, so it's a Christmas special.
luke rudkowski
Howdy, this was very last minute.
I was just doing my grocery shopping until Tim called me here.
I am the Sansei behind WeAreChange.org.
I appreciate sungazing, and an interesting fact about me was that I was once arrested by then New York City Michael Bloomberg for asking him a question.
How are ya?
tim pool
Hope you're doing well.
And Ian's chillin' over with the static orb.
lydia smith
Oh, there it is.
tim pool
And of course, Lydia is producing.
lydia smith
Wait, where's the button?
Okay, I'm over here in the corner.
I got a lot of people to switch cameras for.
tim pool
Yeah, we have a lot of people.
lydia smith
I'm keeping up with it.
tim pool
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We're live Monday through Friday at 8 p.m.
But let's just jump into the first story, and I will read what USA Today has to say.
USA Today reports Supreme Court dismisses Trump allies' challenge to Pennsylvania election.
The Supreme Court refused today to stop Pennsylvania from finalizing President-elect Joe Biden's victory in the state despite allegations from allies of President Donald Trump that the expansion of mail-in voting was illegal.
I like how they say allies of President Donald Trump instead of just saying like Republicans or, you know, it's always got to be about Trump.
The action by the nation's highest court, which includes three justices named by Trump, came as states across the country are locking in the results that will lead to next week's Electoral College vote.
It represented the latest in a string of stinging judicial opinions that have left the president defeated both politically and legally.
By their one-sentence denial, the justices left intact a ruling by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court Alright, there's a lot to go through here.
passed in 2019 came far too late. New Associate Justice Amy Coney Barrett
appeared to have participated in the case. No dissents or accusals were noted.
Led by conservative Rep. Mike Kelly, the challengers claimed the Republican-led
state legislature's expansion of absentee voting violated the Pennsylvania
Constitution. Rather than going to court after its passage, however, they waited
until the state figured prominently in Trump's loss to Biden last month.
Alright, there's a lot to go through here. First off, I gotta clarify.
The lawsuit didn't have anything to do with Trump directly.
It wasn't filed by Trump's people.
It wasn't coming from the Trump campaign.
Mike Kelly actually won his race, and it was noted by a lower court judge that they would likely win on the merits, and Mike Kelly would be negatively impacted by this in the event they do get some kind of relief.
But first of all, all right, Will, just give me your general opinion so we can break this down and so I can better understand this.
What does this mean?
Are they saying that the case is done permanently?
It's over?
Nothing's gonna happen?
will chamberlain
No, but they're saying that they've denied emergency injunctive relief, right?
Basically, Parnell and Kelly, the two guys who were, you know, they lost at the Pennsylvania Supreme Court.
And they want to get the Supreme Court of the United States to stop it
So they need to actually have an injunction as well before you know, they have hearings and an argument
Well, what was it? What would the injunction do the injunction would set things in like somehow stop what's happening,
right?
So maybe the injunction would stop the electors from being certified. I don't know if that I think they might have
already been certified I think they're already certified. It might have stopped
them from going to the Voting in the Electoral College or something like that
I mean an injunction is just getting the court to order somebody to stop doing something and freeze things as they
tim pool
are So what I read was there's a couple things
First, we have the lawsuit coming out of Texas, which we'll get to in a second, because this may be bigger.
I think it is absolutely bigger, in your opinion?
will chamberlain
I mean, at this point, it's certainly bigger, because... Oh, right, right, right, right.
tim pool
We'll get to that, but... So, I heard something that said, basically, they denied emergency rejunctive relief, but part of it has to do with the fact that Texas is asking for basically the same thing anyway.
will chamberlain
I don't really think that that's a related, that's the reason they denied here.
I mean, I read the briefing from the state of Pennsylvania and it was just good briefing and it explained there were like four or five different independent procedural problems with the litigation as far as trying to get SCOTUS to do anything.
Yeah.
You know, first off, if you're going to, you know, SCOTUS doesn't want to consider issues for the first time.
They want to see things resolved in the lower courts and then they can sit as a court of review.
The problem is it looks like that Kelly and Parnell and their lawyers didn't raise the sort of federal issue, the idea that not just it would be a violation of the Pennsylvania Constitution, but also that it would be a violation of the federal Constitution.
unidentified
No, they did.
tim pool
They did.
I think they did.
will chamberlain
But not in the lower courts, I don't think.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
will chamberlain
Right?
Like, they did that later, but they needed to raise that specific argument earlier.
And because Pennsylvania never ruled on it, or nobody ever ruled on it, and Supreme Court itself would be the first people to consider that issue, they're like, whoa, we don't want to do this.
And then there were the additional issues that have popped up elsewhere.
Standing, mootness.
tim pool
Latches?
Is that what it's called?
will chamberlain
Latches, right.
So that's just undue delay in bringing your case.
tim pool
So for those that aren't familiar, I think that's the biggest one.
That's basically what they're ruling on.
Yeah.
It basically says you have to reasonably bring your lawsuit, reasonably within a certain amount of time.
You can't just sit on it forever.
will chamberlain
Right.
And so there are, I mean, this is a common theme in a lot of the election litigation that's been ruled on so far,
is that there are these big procedural problems before you even get to the substance of questions
about whether or not the scheme is unconstitutional in the first place.
And so I really wasn't surprised by this news because I read the brief from Pennsylvania.
I'm like, oh wow, you guys, you didn't raise the federal question
in district quarter in Pennsylvania at all.
They're just gonna not hear your case because they don't wanna deal with it.
luke rudkowski
And that's really interesting because when you look at the mainstream media's
coverage of this, it essentially is Trump is done.
It's over.
Yahoo News has an interesting headline here.
They have an article that says, Supreme Court shuts down Trump's campaign's last-ditch Pennsylvania appeal.
So they're making it sound like it's done.
tim pool
It's not even coming from the Trump campaign.
luke rudkowski
Well, that's what they're saying on Yahoo News.
tim pool
So that's what I bring up here in this USA Today article.
They say that, what was the exact quote?
They said basically that It was too late because they waited until the state figured prominently in Trump's loss.
Nowhere in this does it say Trump lost, therefore, or anything having to do with Trump.
And we had Sean Parnell on, one of the plaintiffs, and he said he didn't know.
He didn't know at all that it was unconstitutional.
They all thought the law was constitutional, and now they're suing because they found out it wasn't.
will chamberlain
So, I mean, there's a question about whether or not the Pennsylvania Supreme Court correctly applied their Latches doctrine, right?
But the problem is, you know, Latches is an issue of state law.
It's not a federal law issue.
And then, ultimately, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court is the final arbiter of what Pennsylvania law is.
And so that's why, you know, they have to figure out how is this possibly a federal question.
tim pool
And they didn't raise it initially.
will chamberlain
Yeah, exactly.
It was sort of like a last minute audible of like, oh, we actually need to go to the U.S.
Supreme Court.
How do we do that?
And it's like, it's way too late.
You need to have kind of anticipated this potential problem and its path at the very beginning.
tim pool
Do you remember what their federal argument was?
Because it's in there.
will chamberlain
Yeah, so the federal argument goes something along the lines of because there's the electors clause in the federal constitution delegates the power to, you know, run your elections in a certain way to the legislature.
And then that's also sort of incorporates the lawmaking process with, you know, the constitution, etc.
But they didn't bring that up early.
Pennsylvania courts and the Pennsylvania government is somehow violating their own procedures,
then that creates a federal question because it's a violation of somehow that delegation
tim pool
of power.
will chamberlain
But they didn't bring that up early.
They didn't bring it up early enough to get, at least that's probably what I think is the
reason here, right?
The Supreme Court didn't say why it refused to review, just give a one-sided no.
But my guess is that this is the big reason.
tim pool
So what you're saying is that you're a better lawyer that should have hired you because
I'm not kidding.
will chamberlain
I'm not saying any of that.
I don't even actively practice right now.
I run a conservative magazine.
If you're hiring me to do your litigation right now, you're probably making a mistake.
tim pool
Did you see the lower court's opinion on the merits?
will chamberlain
I mean, I saw the Pennsylvania Supreme Court's opinion.
tim pool
It was narrow.
will chamberlain
Yeah, it was very narrow.
I wasn't impressed by it, but that's the thing about being a Supreme Court.
Like, I think there was some famous justice once who said, we're not, we're not final because we're right, or something like, we're right because we're final.
In the sense of, you know, like, because we are the Court of Last Resort, that means we're right.
tim pool
So, the claim was that mail-in voting violated the Constitution because it already has an absentee voting provision.
will chamberlain
Violated the Pennsylvania Constitution.
tim pool
Pennsylvania Constitution, right.
And the first judge did issue an injunction, and then when it got appealed to the Supreme Court, she issued then an opinion saying, here's why I did it, and they will likely win if it's ruled on the merits.
But then the Supreme Court said, nah, you're too late, bye-bye.
will chamberlain
Yeah, and they didn't even they didn't even consider the federal question if or any of the questions about the actual substantive constitutionality of the statute.
And they just kind of get away with it.
I mean, in this case, it's one of the situations where, you know, the Pennsylvania Supreme Court is there's elections for, I think, the sitting justices.
I think it's a very, very partisan court.
And so it's not surprising to me that they end up.
What's your opinion?
this really bad spot and then and then you know so it's not surprising the
Pennsylvania Supreme Court is really partisan and didn't handle this case
fairly and then it's not surprising they didn't get to go to SCOTUS with it
because they didn't I don't feel like they were prepared for that right or
tim pool
Avenue but does this create a problem that like I mean give me give me what's
your opinion do you think it's unconstitutional what they did with mail
will chamberlain
in voting oh I mean and as according to the text of the Pennsylvania
I mean, the Pennsylvania Constitution says, here are how you can regulate, here are the rules for regulating absentee ballots, and these are the only circumstances where you can do it.
tim pool
And Pennsylvania didn't amend its constitution, they just passed legislation So are we now going to, and based on other challenges in other states, potentially have a president gets elected because of unconstitutional elections and the rest of America has to just accept that?
will chamberlain
I mean, you know, this is one of the things that I think people, you know, remember the tweet I did that got everybody angry, where I was like, Joe Biden won, he didn't win fair and square, but like, we need to get ready for that.
You know, I mean, history is full of instances where people who, very famous people, won elections via cheating and took office and there wasn't like some
tim pool
later remedy to it we just knew they cheated in that case why shouldn't trump use any and all means to
will chamberlain
retain the presidency um i mean i don't think i just don't want to have a military coup man i
really don't i think that that the down that road leads all sorts of terrible things so i think you
know to me a lot of the problem here starts with the year before the election where the
democrats are going around the country right weakening voter integrity measures all over the country.
tim pool
And they should have stopped it.
will chamberlain
And we needed to do a better job of stopping it.
That's where we lost it.
tim pool
Yeah, but regular Americans don't know it's not their job.
I'm not going to ask a plumber to understand how to file a lawsuit in advance.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So do you remember when the Trump campaign sued over ballot observers?
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
Do you see what the judge said about observation?
That as long as they're in the room, then that satisfies election law?
will chamberlain
I mean, it shouldn't, right?
tim pool
That's crazy, right?
will chamberlain
But like, I mean, here's a real problem.
The Pennsylvania legislature agreed to all these reforms to ballot processing.
tim pool
Well, technically.
will chamberlain
They agreed to universal mail-in.
They agreed to a bunch of stuff.
tim pool
So, but, technically, what they agreed to it, what they've said is that we didn't realize they would do a whole bunch of crazy things like the curing process and the extended deadlines, and that's what they just rolled with after the fact.
I think that's part of the Texas lawsuit, which, again, we're gonna get to in just a second.
But what's crazy to me about the ruling from the judge on the Trump campaign is that On the Trump campaign lawsuit.
So Trump sued, his campaign sued, Rudy Giuliani was arguing I guess saying that 682,000 ballots were counted without observers having meaningful access.
Meaning the observers are supposed to look at the ballots to make sure that what the counter is saying is correct.
will chamberlain
Right.
tim pool
But they kept them like 100 feet away so they couldn't see anything.
And then the judge said, How many were in the building?
The Trump campaign lawyer I think said very famously a non-zero number of observers were in the building, but they didn't have meaningful access.
And then the judge basically said, well, the election code says observers have to be there.
The observers were there.
It doesn't specify distance.
Therefore, the code's requirements were satisfied.
will chamberlain
I mean, to me that sounds- that's somehow law and justice don't always correlate, right?
Like, you know, that's- that sounds like the judge is looking at the law and saying, here's the rules.
Well, the rules are these people need to be in the building.
Doesn't say any- doesn't anticipate any sort of- But isn't a judge supposed to solve that problem?
tim pool
That's insane.
will chamberlain
That's- that's actually not what judges are supposed to do, right?
Judges are supposed to apply the law.
tim pool
Well, hold on, hold on.
I had a conversation with multiple lawyers about the gender issue in New York City, right?
So, have you ever looked at the New York City human rights gender issues?
will chamberlain
I can't say I'm super familiar with New York City in particular.
tim pool
They have codified 31 genders, but New York City recognizes any and all that anyone might assert.
will chamberlain
Okay.
tim pool
And they say that in all public accommodations, they must adhere to these practices, essentially, if you use a specific name.
And so I had a question about the extreme nature by which this law exists.
And this is relevant.
Everyone just hear me out.
This makes sense.
So the idea was, if I can say my name as anything, and I can wear any clothes, and use any pronouns, I should be able to go into a Starbucks, or go to a job, I can get hired at a job, and then show up wearing whatever I want, and say, here's my name, say it, or else, right?
And they say that a willful refusal to use someone's preferred name or pronoun is a violation, a human rights violation, of $250,000, which will warrant a $250,000 fine.
So I talked to multiple lawyers about this, and I said, I'm going to give you an extreme hypothetical.
I'm going to take the letter of the law to the extreme degree.
What if I dressed up in a very, very offensive way and said that my gender was, you know, insert racial slur gender, and that my official name was a racial slur?
They said that the courts would laugh you out and say, no way, we'll never uphold that.
I mean, I'd just be less pessimistic than the other lawyers you've talked to, right?
and dress any way I want, why couldn't I go to Starbucks dressed like a giant Pac-Man and say
I'm Pac-Gender or whatever? And I'm not trying to disparage anybody, I'm saying if the law isn't
will chamberlain
specific, couldn't it create this exploit? I mean I'd just be less pessimistic than the other
lawyers you've talked to, right? I mean obviously I don't think, I wouldn't guarantee that a judge
would act on it or cede the law your way, but my view is, I mean if their law is really that vaguely
written, oftentimes you get results in court that people think defy common sense. I mean it's a...
So it depends.
Sometimes the judge is going to do common sense anyway.
Some judges are more active.
Some judges are more, like, strictly literalist in how they read the law.
tim pool
The reason why I bring that up is Well, people could exploit this to make money, obviously, but the idea is, when it comes to New York City and the human rights law, if a judge can determine that my gender is laughable, like, you know, if you clearly pick something ridiculous meant to garner laughs, and the judge does, then why would any other judge not be allowed to throw out any legitimate claim about, you know, trans human rights violations?
will chamberlain
Sure, and that's exactly the reason why they might You know, why I probably would end up disagreeing with the lawyers you previously talked to.
tim pool
So you could actually get a job at Starbucks, show up the next day dressed like Pac-Man and say, your name's Pac-Man.
And if they tell you, no, get out.
You can't wear that.
You can, you can challenge them.
will chamberlain
I mean, based on how you've characterized that law to me.
Yes.
Right.
tim pool
I mean, it is, it is, it is really that vague.
It says, it says gender identity is self-expression.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, there's definitely a lot of laws in New York City.
There's also a very specific law against people's hair.
So if you discriminate against someone's hair or hairstyle, you also could be fined as a business a quarter million dollars for doing so.
tim pool
Okay, so not to get off track, the reason I bring it up is because now I'm hearing, and again, different lawyers, different opinions, is no, it's the letter of the law.
The judge just says, here's a letter of law, we're done.
will chamberlain
I mean, it depends on the judge.
tim pool
Like, not all judges act the same way, some judges are more... Do you think a judge should say, the law is clearly intended to make sure you can observe the ballot reasonably?
will chamberlain
I kind of don't, actually.
I mean, I think that's the kind of thing that needs to be dealt with by a legislative fix, because I generally think that the way these things should work procedurally is, you know, judges just apply the law as written in the best reading of it, and then the legislature tweaks the law if the law is stupid.
tim pool
But think about the problem that creates.
It's like, we say, okay, we want observers to be able to read the votes so we know there's scrutiny and the votes are legit.
And then someone finds a loophole and just exploits and abuses it.
So then we have an entire election that is essentially not the will of the people in any capacity because it was exploited.
will chamberlain
Right.
Well, I mean, then that question becomes like, okay, well, is there some other restriction or some other like Law, like, or right that's being compromised here, and maybe that comes into play to say, like, to constrain the way that the specific election code can be interpreted, right?
So, but you need to be appealing to, like, something else.
You can't just say, well, the law doesn't make any sense, so we should trust the law.
Like, that usually is not something lawyers look at.
tim pool
Or the judge just says, I think the, you know, very clearly, the interpretation of the law is such that people can actually observe what is written on the ballot, I mean, not just to say, well, there's no official foot number in the law.
So therefore, I mean, he quite literally said you could be sitting in the bathroom in the other room of the building and it counts as having an observer present.
I would argue that clearly makes no sense.
ian crossland
If they can't see it and they're not observing it, then they're not observers.
And therefore, there are no observers.
will chamberlain
Right.
Well, that but then the very likely in the statute is also a definition of who counts as an observer and who doesn't.
Right.
Like that's very common for most of these election statutes.
is to have some sort of definitions portion where like the right words they use so that
might constrain that sort of that's a great i mean it's good it's creative lawyering don't
get me wrong but it's like that would be probably precluded by a definition so their official job
tim pool
title is observer but they're not actually observing exactly so the judge said well they're
called observers and they can be sitting in the back of the room playing on their phone playing
candy crush and that counts as having an observer present it's it's bad law like
will chamberlain
I don't know what else to say.
I think that pretty clearly Pennsylvania has really bad election codes that make a mockery of election integrity that need to be changed.
But if you're asking me straight up, do I think that Pennsylvania judge was in legal error the way he interpreted the statute, it doesn't sound like it.
No, you're right.
It sounds like he just interpreted the law and applied it.
That's crazy to me.
tim pool
Because how could you anticipate that as a regular person?
You could go through every law and make sure, OK, I want to make sure nobody cheats, nobody plays any unethical games.
How would you predict a judge is going to be like, well, you know, observers don't mean actually observing the name on the ballot.
It just means being there.
will chamberlain
I mean, I don't know.
I feel like in Georgia, they've lessened their restrictions.
I mean, COVID probably pushed them further away.
I'm sure poll observers have been around for a pretty long time.
So you'd feel like it was one of the better developed areas of law, but apparently Pennsylvania's just- There's always something.
tim pool
So let me ask you, is this the end for Donald Trump?
will chamberlain
It's not the end, but it forecloses one hopeful path.
I think there are basically two viable paths.
tim pool
Let's do it!
Okay, Texas.
From CNBC, Texas sues four battleground states and Supreme Court over unlawful election results in 2020 presidential race.
Texas Republican Attorney General Ken Paxton on Tuesday filed a lawsuit in the U.S.
Supreme Court to invalidate presidential election results in Pennsylvania, Georgia, Wisconsin, and Michigan.
The lawsuit asserts that unlawful election results in those four states which President-elect Joe Biden won should be declared unconstitutional.
The filing argues that those states used the coronavirus pandemic as an excuse to unlawfully change their election rules.
Experts in election law were quick to dismiss the likelihood of a nine Supreme Court justice taking the case.
Now, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna poke your buttons a little bit and say Joe Biden is not the President-elect, but, uh... That's fine.
But he's not, he's not, right?
will chamberlain
Yeah, no, like, technically not.
tim pool
I mean... No, literally not, but technically is.
Is this like a bugaboo of yours?
No, no, no.
Well, no, because you tweeted that Joe Biden was president-elect, right?
will chamberlain
No, I tweeted that Joe Biden won.
tim pool
Okay, well you said it earlier, so I'm making the point to clarify for everybody what it means.
President-elect is January 6th, when all the votes are counted and they say he will now be inaugurated in 14 days or whatever.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Okay, let's talk about Texas.
is president-elect officially because we go by the Electoral College.
Technically he is because everybody recognizes the projections from all the states and thus
it's going to happen anyway.
So they consider it an inevitability.
Okay, so let's talk about Texas.
will chamberlain
Okay, let's talk about Texas.
tim pool
Is this Trump, he's guaranteed to win now, it's over?
will chamberlain
No, no.
So I mean this is a very interesting thing.
Like, I had to learn, I read about it today because I was like, well, I mean, this is something you remember from your con law class is like a footnote that, by the way, when states sue each other, they go to the, straight to the Supreme Court.
But it's not something that comes up very often.
I think I looked into it.
There's been an average of one case like this every year.
Really?
For like the last hundred years.
And out of all the cases that the Supreme Court takes.
tim pool
So states routinely sue other states?
will chamberlain
The point is it's not routine.
One case like this every year happens out of 75 or 100 or 150 that the Supreme Court takes.
It happens and it's usually designed for things like water rights.
tim pool
So like Wisconsin and Illinois or something?
will chamberlain
Yeah, right.
tim pool
They have the Great Lakes Coalition though, so they're all pretty much in agreement.
I remember there was Arizona suing the Great Lakes saying, we deserve access to the water because it's on American soil or whatever.
will chamberlain
And that was actually the original idea behind the Supreme Court, was you had to have a place where the states could resolve their disputes.
tim pool
So what's this lawsuit about?
What are they suing on?
will chamberlain
So they're suing and they're basically saying Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc.
all didn't follow their own election laws, all made a mockery of election integrity.
As a result, that injures us, the state of Texas, not just because our electors don't get to vote for president and it's canceled out by these illegitimate unconstitutional votes, but also, even more important, from the state perspective, in terms of its own interests, the vice presidency is now changed.
you know we're a state we have a direct interest in our Senate representation
unidentified
Right.
will chamberlain
and our ability to vote there and the vice president is the president of the
Senate who breaks the ice.
So they're basically saying like look we have standing to object here
uh... there are all these problems and you know you should take this and
actually we think you the Supreme Court don't have the discretion we think you
have to take this case uh... and then you know going through the litany of
problems that we've been They said that SCOTUS has to take it?
They argued that.
That's not, doesn't look like it's a majority view on the Supreme Court.
It looks like it's just Alito and Thomas, although we don't know how the three latest justices would rule on it.
That said, I am doubtful, but not like, you know, I don't think it's a guaranteed or anything, but I'm doubtful that the Supreme Court will take this case.
And it kind of gets to the heart of, you know, what does the Supreme Court normally do?
It does appeals, right?
unidentified
Right.
will chamberlain
Again, it sits as a court of review.
When the case comes to it in the first instance, the Supreme Court's like, well, I guess we have to have like a trial or something, right?
Like we need to have evidence, we need to have witnesses.
And how they actually do that is they literally just appoint basically a special master, which is like a private judge.
And they're like, oh, I guess we have one of those cases we have to take.
Well, here you go, private judge, go resolve it and we'll deal with this later.
tim pool
And then after everything's presented, they can rule on what?
will chamberlain
Right.
But because they're not equipped for it, they've kind of found ways to say, like, OK, how do we, like, not take these cases if we don't have to?
Right?
Like, we're an appeals court.
We don't like to decide things in the first instance.
How do we... Let's narrow this down as much as possible.
And so the way they do it now is they say, well, can the underlying interests of this case be vindicated in another lawsuit somewhere else?
Okay, and if they can't, then fine, we'll take it.
But if they can with other litigants in a forum so that things go normally and percolate their way up, then we'll do that.
This is one of those cases where there are other forums where the underlying interest being talked about in the lawsuit can be vindicated.
There are election contest laws in all these states, which is actually one of the avenues we haven't really talked about where I think there's a real chance of doing something and persuading a judge.
tim pool
So what is that?
will chamberlain
Uh, well, so, for example, in Georgia, President Trump and David Schaffer, the director of Georgia Republicans, filed a formal election contest in Georgia state court under Georgia's election contest law.
tim pool
When was that?
will chamberlain
That was, like, two days ago.
tim pool
Is that still going?
will chamberlain
Yeah, that's still going.
They just filed it.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
will chamberlain
Um, I think on the 5th or 6th.
tim pool
But doesn't that, doesn't that play into safe harbor somehow?
Like, they've got to resolve that dispute?
will chamberlain
I don't know.
I don't know how it real...
You know, how it interplays with State Harbor.
But I just know that, like, it's the first lawsuit I saw where I was like, oh, there isn't an obvious procedural problem with this, right?
That's going to prevent this from getting heard.
unidentified
Right.
will chamberlain
And that's not going to lead to a judge just kicking it out of court.
Because that's been the problem with all the lawsuits so far.
Like, the other side gets in and says, oh, you have no standing and mootness and, like, going down the list of, like, problems with your lawsuit that mean we don't even get to the substance.
tim pool
Or some of them are just...
I don't know, the Kraken lawsuits?
will chamberlain
I mean, the Kraken lawsuits got dismissed yesterday.
I mean, one of them got dismissed from the bench, which you never see.
tim pool
Like, that's how bad it was?
will chamberlain
Yeah, I mean, because normally, I mean, a district judge is worried about being reversed on appeal.
It's humiliating.
It's your superiors telling you publicly.
tim pool
Seems to happen all the time, though, right?
will chamberlain
It does, but they want to avoid it because it's humiliating, right?
Like, they don't like being reversed.
It says they got the law wrong and they didn't do their job properly.
And it's a public opinion.
Like, imagine getting a performance review and having it be in, like, a federal register.
tim pool
And then imagine being the Supreme Court and you're just chilling because no one's going to challenge you.
will chamberlain
No one can do that.
That's why all the judges want to be Supreme Court judges.
So as a result, if they don't want to be reversed, they try and put all their decisions in writing and make them pretty rigorous so that they survive appeal.
Literally, the guy just looked at the Kraken plaintiffs and their lawyers and was like, you guys lose for, like, four reasons.
One, two, three, four.
You never could get into court.
Even if you could, your claims are meritless.
Go away.
Like, it was just, I haven't seen that in a serious piece of litigation in a long time.
tim pool
I mean, wasn't the filing missing spacings between words?
will chamberlain
Oh, there are typos all over the place.
tim pool
Not typos, like, there were whole paragraphs that had no spaces.
will chamberlain
Oh, it was a mess.
It was not proofread.
tim pool
What is this?
will chamberlain
I mean, it's like, I don't know what's going on.
I don't understand it.
Because when I was practicing law, if I did that, I would have gotten fired.
tim pool
The reason I ask is, I hear a lot, it's 4-D chess.
They're trying to lose on purpose to get to Supreme Court.
will chamberlain
There's nothing good about losing.
You're going to go to the Supreme Court even if you win.
Again, say Sidney Powell wins her lawsuit at the district court level.
You think the other side's going to be like, well, we're done here.
I guess we're just leaving.
tim pool
Yeah, they'd appeal and say no.
It's going there no matter what.
will chamberlain
Right, and you'd like to have an opinion that says you were right from the lower court, at least to give you some presumption.
There's a strategy to losing.
tim pool
When they lost, when Trump's campaign lost in I think the third circuit over, I was basically saying, you know, a bunch of people were like, that's exactly what we wanted.
Thanks for ruling so quickly so we can get to SCOTUS.
And I'm like, there is a good point to be made in that if they're going to win, and they're still going to SCOTUS anyway, then they want to get there as fast as possible, right?
So that makes sense, sort of.
But still, you'd rather win than lose, even if that was the case.
will chamberlain
Right.
And you don't want to lose the way they lost in the Third Circuit.
Which was, again, in all these procedural problems.
Things like, even if you won your point, you wouldn't have enough to change the result of the election based on the claims you're making.
So you have to get out of court, or, you know.
tim pool
Well, that was they wanted to amend the complaint a second time, or whatever.
will chamberlain
Oh yeah, gosh, the way they went about that was so silly.
They wanted to amend the complaint a second time.
They weren't actually appealing the underlying substantive ruling.
They were appealing the decision by the district court not to let them fix their complaint.
And usually that's granted liberally because you want to basically... Everybody should have access to justice, so they shouldn't be kicked out of court on technicality.
But the Trump campaign had been there saying, we have to get this done by November 23rd.
We need to do it really fast because, you know, the election certification, blah, blah, blah.
We have to get it done fast.
And then the district court dismisses their case and they're like, oh, well, can we fix the complaint and take another six weeks?
And the district court's like, no.
Wow.
It's too late.
tim pool
So my question then is, and we'll go back to Texas and get to the heart of that lawsuit.
Rudy Giuliani.
Is he a old crackpot well past his prime who's falling apart or a mad freaky genius playing 4D chess who's going to pull out a tremendous victory?
It's only one or the other.
There's no middle ground.
will chamberlain
Well, I mean, I don't want to be mean to Rudy Giuliani, but he's most and he's doing like what many other people are doing.
It's PR in the place of law.
Like, I was really disappointed to see Giuliani being selected to argue the appeal.
Giuliani is not an appellate lawyer.
He hasn't practiced appellate law in years.
He hasn't argued any appeals.
As far as I know.
I mean, it's possible I'm wrong about this and you already appealed recently, but that's like a practice.
They were doing things like, one of the things that in the third circuit case, people didn't miss this too, they appealed a temporary restraining order.
That's actually wrong.
You can't do that.
You have to apply to the appellate court for an injunction pending appeal.
tim pool
How do you know this?
will chamberlain
They don't, and you're not even this kind of... I didn't know this beforehand, but I read about it afterwards.
tim pool
Shouldn't they have read it?
Exactly.
will chamberlain
This is why you would hire experienced appellate lawyers because they don't, they don't have to wait for the judge's opinion to find out what they should have done.
tim pool
So, uh, so, but, but you're, you're a big Trump supporter.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
You're, you're, I mean, you mentioned this before the show that we had a conversation a couple of years ago where I was like, it sounds like we agree on all of these, like, you know, culture war kind of issues and stuff.
And then I don't know if it was you asked me or I asked you something like you asked me then why wasn't I supporting Trump or something?
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
And then, like, I had some answers back in the day.
I mean, back then it was like, those are the Bolton stuff and the foreign policy failures and stuff.
That's kind of what...
But the riots really changed things too.
So now I'm like, you know what, man, everything else is kind of out the window.
But, um, so what you're saying is the best chance that Trump has right now to legitimately win,
as per some kind of constitutional processes, martial law.
Send in the troops, go in, just lock everybody up, arrest them all.
will chamberlain
Is that really winning?
I don't know.
I don't want any coups.
I think there's some possibility of the Texas lawsuit getting taken.
And it's one virtue, if you will, is that it only has to get past this one big procedural hurdle, and then they can hear the case.
tim pool
And what's that?
will chamberlain
That's the Supreme Court deciding to grant permission for them to file the complaint.
tim pool
So they haven't even filed the complaint yet.
will chamberlain
Yeah, they've asked for permission to file it.
And people are getting this wrong.
They, like, see it on the docket.
They're like, oh, SCOTUS has agreed to hear it.
No.
SCOTUS has, when they do that, they're saying, oh, you met the proper steps to ask for permission to file this complaint.
That's all we're saying.
Your filing was procedurally correct so far.
luke rudkowski
And then they decide if they want to hear it or not.
will chamberlain
Yeah, they decide if they want to hear it or not.
Odds are, my answer is, they probably won't.
But if they get past that, if the Socotas decides, on this one little decision, they're going to overlook how they've been doing things in the past.
luke rudkowski
And is it majority rule?
will chamberlain
Yeah, it's a 5-4 decision.
unidentified
5-4?
tim pool
Because you don't count Roberts?
will chamberlain
No, Roberts is lit.
tim pool
Yes, I know.
will chamberlain
He's a total lit.
But even so, I think, you know, if I'm betting man, I'm not betting on the success of that litigation, because in general, I mean, it's the problem we talked about earlier, that the interests underlying, that they're trying to be vindicated there, right, election irregularities, there's processes in the individual states to deal with it, and the Supreme Court generally hates having these original jurisdiction cases and only will take them if there's no other place it can be vindicated.
tim pool
I don't know.
Election betting odds has Trump up 0.7% today.
Considering the news, you'd think he'd be going down, but they still have around 10% to win and be the next president.
will chamberlain
That's free money.
That's free money.
That's what that is.
tim pool
I don't know.
I still wouldn't bet.
will chamberlain
I wouldn't take a bet.
I'm going to disclose something.
Maybe I shouldn't.
After I, like all this nonsense with the one stuff I looked on Predict It and they were, Predict It was giving me like, they said Trump was at 13% to win and you can make a bet on based on that.
tim pool
Well, but, uh, so, Predict It has Trump at 14.
will chamberlain
Oh, wow.
That's way too high.
tim pool
Yeah, but you know what it is, though?
It's because you can buy them and then sell them when they go up.
So when it's at 10 cents, people are like, I'll buy it because some news will come out, it'll go up to 12, and then I'll sell out.
You know, and then make 2 cents.
will chamberlain
Right.
tim pool
I keep telling everybody, man, there's two big plays right here.
If you really think Trump's got, you know, 40 chests and the Kraken was actually hiding and wasn't slain at all, you really think Trump's going to win.
You got to go and you got to place those bets, right?
will chamberlain
Yeah, that's free money.
I am not advocating for gambling.
If you believe that 100% Trump's going to be in office in two months, that's absurd free money.
You can make huge amounts of money.
tim pool
Yeah, you'd be rich.
I saw one post on social media where someone claimed to have put like 20k into betting on Trump to win.
And now they're panicking because it was like their life savings.
But at the same time, I'll tell you this right here.
You think that's true?
will chamberlain
It's free money?
tim pool
Yeah, I mean... Then why don't you bet on Biden right now?
You can do it.
You did.
will chamberlain
I already did.
tim pool
You bet on Biden.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I got like four grand riding on Biden.
I'm sure there's a ton of people watching right now who are like, oh, I hope he loses that money Well, here's I actually I have a there's sort of an ethical thing Like I think if you make predictions like this you should bet on them.
That's a good betting is a tax on BS Yeah, right like that's a good point.
tim pool
Yeah, you know, so, you know make a video like series like You know, when Luke comes out and he says something, I'll be like, okay, put the money down.
You know what I mean?
will chamberlain
Right, like, I mean, it's a real test.
Like, all the people who are saying that Trump's 100% going to be in office, why aren't they?
I mean, there's huge amounts of money to be made on this bet.
tim pool
I mean, you're going to make, what is that, 86 cents on the dollar?
will chamberlain
No, I'm not going to make that much because I'm betting on Biden.
tim pool
No, no, no, I'm saying, like, someone were to bet.
You put down 14 cents for Trump, you win a buck.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
So put down $14 and win $100.
will chamberlain
And I mean, the point being like, not that I don't want Trump to win.
I still do, because I think it would be good for the country.
But it's like, I've made public predictions that Trump will not win.
And I feel like there's sort of an ethical obligation to be willing to put money on the public predictions I make.
tim pool
Well, I'll tell you this.
In 2018, I was like, I think the Republicans are gonna keep control, and they're gonna keep the House, maybe even gain in the House, because all the culture war stuff was getting crazy.
And turns out I was wrong.
Actually, I was right.
I was right for the first two days.
And then about a week later, with all the mail-in ballots they started finding all over the place, then the Democrats ended up winning.
So, uh, it's interesting how that happened, right?
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
So, uh, so I was wrong.
Then I said, I thought Trump was going to win this one.
I did say, I'm very tepid most of the time, but I was saying for months leading up to the election, like, I think Trump is going to win.
That's my gut feeling, but you know, Biden could win.
Don't underestimate your opponent.
So when it turns out that, you know, now the election is going Biden's way and I'm saying, yeah, Biden's got this, I'm probably wrong again.
And now we're all going like, no, I've been saying over and over again, ever since the seventh, It's 99.99% for Biden.
The reason I reserve that, actually earlier on I said it was like 97%.
This was before Trump actually filed the lawsuits and I was like, so he has all of these ways to challenge these things.
And then as his campaign and other Republicans and pro-Trump individuals have been losing, I'm like, He, of course, still can.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
But is it at a point where it's like winning the lottery three times in a row?
will chamberlain
I mean, it's just really unlikely.
He has to win all these election contests.
We're running into the time constraints where the Electoral College is going to vote.
I mean, even at the beginning, I said that the odds have been prevailing after the election results came in, like 5% at max.
tim pool
Well, on January 6th, the members of Congress can contest, can dispute.
will chamberlain
Right.
tim pool
And it happens, apparently, relatively often, never works.
It never goes anywhere.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
I mean, that's what I would expect to happen here.
tim pool
But isn't it true that, what is it, Article 2, Section 1, or is it Section 2, Article 1 of the Constitution?
will chamberlain
That sounds, if it's about Congress, it would be Article 1.
tim pool
Constitution.
will chamberlain
Oh no, you're right, it's about the presidential election, so it's Article 2.
tim pool
That it doesn't matter what the states say, the state legislatures always decide.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I mean, I think there's the absolute authority is placed in the state legislatures, but I don't think they're gonna do anything to contradict the Electoral College.
I mean, the precedent there is crazy.
Like, if you think about it, the idea that the state elections don't matter and that... They don't.
tim pool
I mean, in like... This is the craziest thing, because I've been reading more and more about early US history, and the founding fathers didn't want direct democracy.
Like, we all know that, and we've actually been sort of eroded Yeah.
The Senate, meaning making the Senate elections direct elections.
will chamberlain
I'm sure you're familiar with the Senate meaning making the Senate elections direct elections.
tim pool
Right.
Exactly.
It used to be appointments by the state legislatures.
will chamberlain
Right.
tim pool
And so senators were I think that system made more sense in a lot of ways.
You know why.
will chamberlain
Why.
tim pool
We don't care about local elections anymore.
And now our own communities fall apart and become detached and dejected.
will chamberlain
Yeah, it's like our whole politics has been nationalized.
Like, you can't run a local paper doing local politics section.
That's a whole, you know... No one cares.
tim pool
And what's really irksome to me is when I see someone running for Congress talking about how if they get elected, they're going to do all the good things for our district.
I'm like, you represent the district to the federal government.
You don't clean up your district.
You go to Congress and vote on national-level policy.
will chamberlain
Yeah, and here's a real interesting thing.
The whole idea of representing your district, that basically went out the window with a band of earmarks.
That was the way they represented their district.
They got a little money for little pet projects.
Now they don't even do that.
tim pool
But the issue is, if you want your town cleaned up, you gotta vote local.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
And so before the 17th Amendment, for those that aren't familiar, the 17th Amendment says senators will be chosen by popular vote.
Before that, the state legislatures would essentially vote.
The problem was there was bribery or some kind of, you know, just crony BS.
will chamberlain
Yeah, no, that came out of like Teddy Roosevelt and all the good government stuff that they were doing in the early 1900s.
tim pool
But think about it.
If that's how the system still worked, then you'd be like, you gotta vote for, you know, who's the PA state senator guy who's, um, Mastriano, is that his name?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, you'd be like, you gotta make sure he gets re-elected because he's gonna make sure to get a good senator for us.
Now it's like, I don't even know who that guy is and I live in Pennsylvania, right?
Not me personally, I'm just saying figuratively.
Like, you've got people who live in PA who can't even name who's in their General Assembly.
Yeah.
will chamberlain
I mean, I just moved to Maryland, but I don't even know who my... Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I lived in New York for five years, I can't name a single person.
I can name Ocasio-Cortez, I didn't live in her district.
And she's federal, I can't speak...
I don't know who the councilmen are, I don't know any of that stuff.
It has been... everything's being nationalized and it's extremely dangerous.
It's not just about politics, it's about media.
Let's say... this was talked about like a decade ago, as local media was dying off because the internet was
replacing everything.
This like...
Maybe this plays into the culture war in a lot of ways.
It used to be that your tribe was partially local.
What you cared about locally might be your high school football team versus the neighboring town or whatever.
But with social media, the tribes became singular, national, top-level, and, like, very specific.
Right.
They used to write about, with this phenomenon, you could have a local politician be extremely corrupt, and there's no one to write about it, because no one cares.
Do I care about, you know, I don't know, the mayor of Gainesville committing some crime or whatever?
No, I care about DeSantis.
I don't care about the smaller town mayor, or whatever, or the city councilman.
It's not gonna make the news.
No one's really gonna care.
Unless it's really crazy, like, you know, he builds a flying machine and then starts dropping mortars on people or something.
will chamberlain
I don't know, maybe.
I have to think about it, though, because part of this is youth and, you know, living wherever you want.
I wonder if, like, we would change our minds if we were, you know, well, I guess you are a homeowner, but...
Yeah, like if I was like personally a homeowner in a place and knew I was gonna stay there for 20 years I might start caring a little more about local elections.
Yeah, but but no, I mean your general point that was correct about how I mean our politics have been nationalized our media has been nationalized and the concerns people have are are You know ultimate, you know, and also like I have a random thing like people people would say to me like there's you know I think you might have said this there's no way Joe Biden got 80 million some votes.
tim pool
Mm-hmm, like I think there is a way, for sure.
Let's play the media game.
Normies were radicalized by a psychotic Trump derangement media apparatus that sought to make money off of outrage about Trump, and it created a whirlpool that sucked in regular people who snapped and said, I just can't take it anymore!
Biden, boom.
will chamberlain
Yeah, no, I think that's exactly, that was exactly my thesis, right?
Like, our, you know, sports went away, like, what were people even focused on over the last year?
tim pool
But I think Trump's, Trump got oceans elevened, that's the way I put it.
Like, the real heist happened months ago, when they were going around knocking on doors and saying, vote, when they're doing ballot harvesting, when they were doing those illegal, uh, democracy in the park things in Wisconsin.
There's the, the viral videos of the Native American women saying, like, we're gonna give you money if you vote, like, make sure you tell us you vote.
One tribe actually said, send us a picture of you voting, we'll send you 20 bucks.
Like, super illegal stuff.
will chamberlain
Oh yeah, and I've no doubt there were tons of shenanigans too.
Like, I remember, you know, I was in Philly on Election Day.
You were buzzing those videos.
Yeah, the video of the poll watcher.
tim pool
I referenced that when we had Destiny here, he's a leftist, and he said, if these claims of, like, irregularity and fraud and stuff, or the observers being blocked were true, then where were all the videos on election night?
And I was like, Will Chamberlain was there and he posted, like, a video in the morning of, like, an observer being kicked out.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
It happened.
will chamberlain
Yeah, that's weird.
Like, there were so many people who... Just a random side note.
So many people denied that.
Like, I got... I saw fact checks that were, like... Yeah!
BuzzFeed?
BuzzFeed tried a fact check.
I literally corrected her, and she withdrew it to her credit.
tim pool
Yeah.
will chamberlain
Like, you know... That's so weird.
tim pool
She's like, he wasn't... You know, and then... They tried claiming that, no, he was at the wrong precinct or whatever.
will chamberlain
Right.
tim pool
It's like, no... And then you posted the photo where it's, like, good in any precinct or something.
will chamberlain
Right, exactly.
tim pool
So weird.
will chamberlain
They just... They were so tuned for, like, oh, there's misinformation.
People are gonna spread misinformation.
I'm like, You guys know, there's actual shenanigans going on in Philly.
And I don't know that there was some, like, massive plot to, like, thwart poll watching.
It's more like that, you know, what I would attribute this particular thing to was just sort of an arrogance among the poll workers in that area that, like, they were kings of the castle.
They dictated what happened.
They didn't need to pay attention to stuff.
tim pool
You see the video where the guy yells, all Republican poll watchers leave now or whatever?
will chamberlain
I didn't see that one, but I mean, that's awesome.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
that or they're putting up boards to block the windows.
Do you see what Scott Adams said about this?
He said if you are having a discussion about the potential irregularities or fraud after
they barred observers and blocked windows, you're a victim of misinformation and essentially
misdirection.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
Because as soon as they said no witnesses, you can't do anything after that.
will chamberlain
Right.
tim pool
So when they say, where's the evidence of fraud?
I don't know.
They kicked out the observers and boarded the windows up.
will chamberlain
Right, and I'm actually for, like, as a general rule, like, the idea that if you wrongfully kick out poll watchers, then the votes go away, right?
tim pool
Yeah.
will chamberlain
Like, we assume you've committed fraud.
The presumption is you committed fraud, and you need to affirmatively prove you didn't.
tim pool
Yes.
will chamberlain
Like, I mean, that's, you know, like, that's how it kind of works in the court system generally.
Like, if you fail to produce something of litigation, judges will eventually issue an adverse inference instruction saying, jury, you need to assume that this was terrible evidence for them that proved that they did something horrible.
Interesting, um, you know, and that's the way I should look at I think we should look at but we need to change the law
To do this, right?
but I think we should change the law about poll watchers and
and get people to a point where When they are instructed about working a poll and letting a
poll watcher and they're like we better not Restrict this poll watcher because the consequences of
doing so are terrible Well, that's clearly not the case in philly the
tim pool
consequences of what we're talking about go well beyond just
The election and which team won, right?
will chamberlain
Right.
tim pool
What people need to realize, and I've been saying this quite a bit, is that we're a nation of people.
A judge could rule something that's ridiculous and dumb, and it would stand because they're the judge.
And if it's a Supreme Court justice who gives a bad ruling, then what do they do, right?
It ends with them.
People aren't computers.
They're not robots.
And so I was mentioning this previously that people keep saying, here's what the safe harbor provision says, therefore we've won.
And I'm like, you could get a crazy justice who's like, you know, he just goes nuts and give some crazy ruling.
And I'm within reason, obviously, like within the confines of law, I just have a weird interpretation of it.
And then you get a weird ruling you didn't expect because people make the decisions, not computers.
It's not a code.
You know what I mean?
will chamberlain
Right, and I mean, like, that's why, you know, for example, the Texas lawsuit still has a chance.
I wouldn't rule it out, right?
Like, there's always some human variability.
Yeah.
You know, there's cases where you have better odds and worse odds, right?
If you're fighting six different procedural arguments that a judge has to decide, oh, well, I'm just going to have to ignore the law in, like, six different core areas of our jurisprudence in order to rule for you.
They're just not going to—they don't want to do that.
luke rudkowski
What are the odds you would give Trump of winning?
will chamberlain
Right now?
unidentified
Yes.
will chamberlain
Less than 1%.
Wow.
tim pool
But more than 0.01%?
will chamberlain
I mean, those are still not bad odds, to be honest.
I mean, you know, he's not ahead in the vote counts in like four different states.
And the problem is he has to win.
I'll talk about the other reason I like the Texas lawsuit.
He has to win in four different states or has to flip four different states.
tim pool
Or win one lawsuit from Texas.
will chamberlain
Yeah, exactly, right?
The lawsuit in Texas at least is elegant in the sense of a chance to just, in one shot, get rid of all the problems.
But otherwise, he has to win independent election contests in four different states with time running out.
tim pool
You know what it is?
It's like in a movie, and there's like four bad guys, and then like, Texas comes up, and he pulls out his gun and goes, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam!
And then just knocks them all out at once, and then on the gun, he puts it away.
That's Texas.
will chamberlain
That's the hope.
I'm hoping for that.
I really am.
I hope to lose the foreground I bet on Biden and be revealed to be a complete charlatan as a result.
tim pool
No, no, no.
I think, you know, it's annoying to me that people think you're not allowed to be wrong when you make predictions.
It's like, you can be wrong, whatever.
Like, at the time, you had made an educated guess based on the evidence laid before you, and there's a lot of variables, and there you go.
So I'll tell you this man, long story short, I had a buddy tell me in 2011 not to buy Bitcoin when it was at 70 cents.
Because he said, you can't do anything with it, it's hard to get, if you make this purchase now, you'll be putting a bunch of your money into something you can't get out, and then what happens in a month when everyone forgets about it, you'll have nothing.
That's actually a really good argument, so I said, better not buy it.
If I had spent the five grand on 70 cent Bitcoin, I would be very, very happy today if I did, but it was, it would have been stupid for me to take.
It was basically my life savings and putting it in Bitcoin.
I was like, this new technology, this is amazing.
You're reading about this stuff.
I'm really excited.
And he's like, don't do it, man.
You need that money now for food and rent.
I'm like, yeah, you're right.
luke rudkowski
As I was telling you to do it.
tim pool
A month later, a month later.
This is before I met you.
luke rudkowski
No, no, even afterwards when Bitcoin was out there, I was like,
you got to get into Bitcoin.
You got to do it.
tim pool
I was buying, I have Bitcoin.
Yeah, I've been paying attention.
But anyway, here's what I'm saying.
This election is not just about which team won.
will chamberlain
Right.
tim pool
It's about, at this point, I think this is maybe the most consequential election we've ever had.
So here's the next story that we're gonna get into.
Trump tweets video of Chinese professor claiming that Beijing can swing U.S.
policy because it has people at the top of America's core inner circle of power in clip that has been deleted from social media in China.
Not only does this guy, Di Dongsheng, say that they have old friends, he calls it, In high positions.
He says that Joe Biden's son became rich with all this international financing stuff and who do you think helped him do it?
Essentially it's saying the Bidens are compromised but he doesn't need to say it because Tony Bobulinski already said it.
That Joe Biden is compromised by China and now we have a guy in China, they're all laughing as he says he did it.
This is the consequence now of losing this election.
will chamberlain
Yeah, no, I'm really not happy about that, you know, and I think... But, so, listen, listen.
tim pool
What do you do?
will chamberlain
What do you do?
You try and beat him, or, I mean, or, well, and one of the things I've been talking about has been, let's get a special counsel going, right?
Like, this is what Democrats did.
Let's have a special counsel for Biden in China.
And the election.
And the election, yeah.
Let's have a second, like, we should have three, right?
There's Durham already.
But let's have a new one for the China Burisma stuff.
And let's have one for the election irregularities.
And let's make the Democrats adhere, you know, if the Democrats want, like, obviously a Democrat Attorney General can figure out a way to fire these people.
There are ways.
But if they want to set that precedent, fine.
Then we're never going to have to deal with another BS investigation from the civil service again.
Right.
And so, I mean, I think they probably will end up doing that if we took the, you know, if Barr pulled the trigger.
tim pool
Was it LeBron James who came out all pro-China?
will chamberlain
Yeah, that's right.
Yeah.
tim pool
We've been seeing more and more U.S.
companies capitulate to China.
Authoritarian despots, communists who harvest organs from religious minorities.
And they're bragging now that they've essentially got the incoming president in their back pocket.
will chamberlain
Yeah, it's kind of funny how, like, the communist government of China ended up proving every critique of capitalism true, right?
Like, you end up with, I mean, all the worst sort of rapaciousness and corruption.
tim pool
They were able to go to these Harvard professors?
What are the universities where they arrested all these guys?
will chamberlain
Oh yeah, I mean, it was Harvard, Berkeley, I think had one.
tim pool
They go to Professor and say, hey, we'll give you $50,000 a month.
Give us your secrets.
Recruit for us.
And they say, you bet.
luke rudkowski
Not only to them, but to U.S.
soldiers, to military personnel with top secret clearances, just like that NYPD officer that was taken in, and also other governments like Israel that have sold U.S.
technology to China.
So this is a major issue that's going to have major implications.
I want to know, who is this top American corps The inner circle of power and influence.
Who are these people?
I want to know.
There deserves to be an investigation.
tim pool
Deep state.
will chamberlain
Top level Wall Street.
tim pool
Let's call them the old friends.
I'm gonna call them the old friends from now on.
luke rudkowski
He did extensively talk about Wall Street and how Wall Street was able to contain someone like Obama that was very easy to manipulate and then he said when Trump came in The story wasn't so true, and then he thinks that when Biden comes in, things are gonna go back to normal.
What's normal?
What is this normal according to Beijing and the Chinese Communist government?
tim pool
Kissing the pinky ring of the Chinese Communist Party.
Trump wouldn't do it.
This guy was like, how do we fix the Trump administration?
We couldn't do it.
Well, then Biden won, and everyone laughs.
Everyone laughs.
So, look, Sam Harris tweeted the other day, the story from the New York Times, why do so many people think the election was rigged?
And Jeffrey Miller, he's another professor, responded that when there's so much anti-conservative bias in academia and institutions and the media, people just don't trust the elections, right?
But it's crazy to me that we have Joe Biden, the single greatest president in American history, based on his ability.
I mean, you have to imagine the amount of votes he got, 80 million, and the amount of campaigning he did, basically none.
He must have been the most powerfully charismatic individual.
I can only imagine when he got up on TV and he said, come on man, every single one of these voters was blasted back by the pure awe of Joe Biden's charisma.
will chamberlain
I don't know.
Hillary was a really bad candidate in a lot of ways.
People really didn't like Hillary Clinton and they had really good reason not to like her.
You know, the thing about Biden, he's a goofball, he's in cognitive decline, but nobody hated him.
Right.
tim pool
He's not a threat.
Trump wasn't a threat.
will chamberlain
It's like, who loathes Joe Biden?
There might be a few people.
Yeah.
And maybe he's done some really loathsome things, like with China.
Scott Adams was.
unidentified
Tara Reid.
will chamberlain
Yeah, Tara Reid.
You know, there are certainly scandals that are loathsome, but personality-wise, he's not like Hillary, and he's not like a lot of Democrats who are just, you know... Well, so let me ask you this.
tim pool
Let me load the question up a little bit.
Joe Biden beat every non-polling bellwether metric, such as voter enthusiasm, party registration numbers, Google searches, which is a new one.
There's primary vote count and support.
He also won the other silly ones like cookie sales and mass—I'm sorry, he lost.
will chamberlain
Oh, you're talking about Trump won all these and Biden— Biden beat them.
tim pool
So basically, all of these things weren't against him.
So whoever gets the highest enthusiasm tends to win.
Whoever gets the best primary turnout tends to win.
Whoever gets the most new registration tends to win.
Whoever sells the most Halloween masks and most cookies.
Those are the silly ones.
I bring them up on purpose.
Joe Biden lost all of those things and still won.
He lost the three bellwether states and 18 of 19 bellwether townships.
So when you say all that, a lot of people say... Look, if you came up to me and said, he beat a few of these things, I'd be like, wow.
You come on, you tell me that he beat every single one of them?
At once?
Isn't that weird?
will chamberlain
I mean, it's weird, and I think certainly there is fraud.
It's not impossible.
It's just not impossible, and 2020 was a different election.
tim pool
It's true.
It's true.
What I often say people got to realize, too, is that COVID moved everybody around.
That people were moving and the riots moved everybody around.
So that could explain the states and the townships, I suppose.
luke rudkowski
But we also have to understand that who was in Biden's corner.
China was in his corner.
The big tech monopolies were in his corner.
Hollywood was in his corner, the mainstream media was in his corner, the establishment was in his corner, and they all are working together, helping each other out.
So it makes you really wonder what really happened here, especially with the latest revelations from this professor from Beijing.
I mean, this is mind-blowing stuff.
When he said about Hunter and how the Hunter story was treated in the United States, it was a Essentially stuffed out the American public were denied the truth about the Hunter Biden emails because of the mainstream media and big tech social monopolies collusion destroying it.
This is what the professor said.
Trump has been saying that Biden's son has some sort of global foundation.
Have you noticed that?
Who helped Hunter build the foundation?
Got it?
There are a lot of these deals inside You need to understand the way he said it.
Yes.
tim pool
The laughing and smiling.
He didn't just say, and who helped him build it?
Got it?
He went, and who helped him build it?
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
And everyone laughs?
Got it?
Uh-huh.
Our old friends, the political establishment, the elites, the old guard, the people who are in government who are helping us out.
He says, I talked to our friends.
They said they were trying to help, but they couldn't stop Trump.
Well, then Biden wins.
He smiles and everyone laughs.
So look, man, I think dark times are coming.
Dark winter is putting it lightly.
That's what Biden said.
will chamberlain
I hope that we win the Georgia Senate races really, really badly.
I don't think so.
luke rudkowski
Well, a lot of Republicans are disenfranchised because Trump's being kind of quiet.
He's not really being bombastic.
He's not really fighting.
And then everything just looks like it's not going his way.
tim pool
But Trump's not on the ticket.
People don't like the Republicans.
will chamberlain
I mean, in Georgia, right, like, you know, the Senate candidates outperformed Trump, right?
tim pool
But, like, Loeffler was appointed.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I mean, there's not huge enthusiasm behind them, but, you know, the sort of... She didn't win a popularity contest, right?
Yeah, I mean, she didn't win it outright, but, like, there were overall more Republican votes in both the Senate seats.
I think it's still pretty viable for us to win those Senate seats.
tim pool
I agree.
I'm just leaning towards... and maybe I'll be wrong again, because, you know, I'm not good at predicting how people vote, I suppose.
Or I am, and I'm not good at predicting how fraud plays out.
But that's the case.
The Democrats win.
will chamberlain
I don't know.
I speak to some personal experience.
My parents are classic suburban Republicans.
My mom couldn't stand Trump.
She just couldn't.
And voted for Hillary and voted for Biden.
But even she called me the other day and said, I'm really still glad Trump went to Georgia to get those Republican Senate candidates elected.
There really is that constituency of people Um, in, in certain places like Georgia that just couldn't, couldn't stomach Trump, but would generally want Republicans in power.
tim pool
Well, let's talk about the more severe reality of what comes next.
This is from, we got Yahoo News.
FBI warns state local police about China targeting people on U.S.
soil.
They say the FBI is warning local law enforcement agencies to beware of cooperating with a Chinese government campaign to coerce U.S.
residents to return to China to face criminal charges, according to a counterintelligence bulletin obtained by Yahoo News.
The bulletin comes shortly after eight people Including a former New York Police Department officer were indicted on charges of acting as a legal agents for Beijing Eight people including a new NYPD officer were I mean, how is this not treason?
luke rudkowski
Well, he wasn't just an NYPD officer It's he also held a very important security clearance because he was in the military as well in the US military in the US military as well and he was spying on the Tibetan community and Which was a protest community that he was going back all the way to China giving out key information who was a part of organizing against the Chinese government.
tim pool
Do you see what Mike Pompeo said earlier this year?
will chamberlain
I'm not, he said a lot of things.
tim pool
He said China's infiltrated every level of government from state, city.
will chamberlain
That's very true.
tim pool
So I feel like this guy getting up on stage in China and gloating that the Bidens are basically in the pockets of the old friends and seeing the story about Hunter Biden.
Let me just make something really really clear.
Joe Biden took Hunter Biden and Air Force Two to China for a private equity deal.
Why did Joe Biden use U.S.
government resources to help his son get a $5 million forgivable interest-free loan from China and launch a billion-dollar equity firm?
They're in the pocket.
It's Beijing-Biden.
Bob Yelinski, who worked with the family, gave an interview saying they're compromised.
And that's it?
We just roll over and say we're all Chinese subjects now?
Second-class citizens?
Unless- because we can't even go to China.
will chamberlain
I mean, China poses such a difficult problem.
Like, I often- people think like it was just obvious that, you know, we were gonna win.
The Cold War, I mean, we had a massive espionage disadvantage of the Soviet Union.
Yeah.
But ultimately, the Soviet Union was, you know, fighting us, but they had a completely dysfunctional economic system.
They couldn't put enough toilet paper on the shelves.
tim pool
You know, they didn't... Guess who can't put enough toilet paper on the shelves now?
will chamberlain
Yeah, I mean, right.
But, like, it took 50 years to beat that economy, and that economy was completely dysfunctional.
China's economy is not dysfunctional.
No.
tim pool
It's manipulative.
will chamberlain
It's manipulative.
And they also have the same sort of, like, espionage superiority over us that the Soviets had over us.
tim pool
They have four times the people.
will chamberlain
Four times the people.
I mean, in terms of agents, like, we don't have any meaningful presence there.
They have, I mean, there's some great books on this about what the variety of different operations China's running here.
Trying to hack lower-level defense contractors, because they can't hack, obviously, the DOD, but they try and get low-level contractors and get plans that way.
Basically trying to recruit people.
I mean, there are, I think, something that somebody said to me, or I think I might have read it, there are serious technical computer science programs at College Park taught by Chinese professors to Chinese students in Chinese.
That's weird.
And then those kids go back.
tim pool
Dude, they're manipulating their real estate market in China to create this, like, a regular middle class house is like a million dollars compared to an American, which is, you know, $200,000 to $300,000 or something like that.
They're buying up large swaths of land in countries all over the world.
In Brazil, in Africa, in the U.S., on the West Coast, they're buying up tons and tons of property.
They're just slowly buying their way to take everything over.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
It's clever.
It's basically they've convinced the United States to give up all its manufacturing in exchange for cheap labor.
These politicians we've had over the past several decades, the old friends, as D. Dong Cheng says, have thought to themselves, look, it's good for the American business to have dollar an hour Chinese laborers I've got to pay benefits to.
They save money, and we all get rich.
And then a generation goes by.
A decade goes by.
And now we no longer make our own medicine.
You buy a musical instrument, you buy computers, cameras, whatever, it's all made somewhere else.
We don't make it anymore.
What would happen if China declared war right now?
We'd be caught with our pants down.
will chamberlain
I mean, it's, I mean, they wouldn't, I mean, there's still the mutual assured destruction worries,
but I mean, they were beyond the point of being able to, you know, really meaningfully coerce them.
Like that's, and that's, that's actually different from like where we were as a superpower even 20
years ago. Like, and that's sort of, you know, we at Human Events, I mean, we ran an article,
like Xi Jinping will have his way in Hong Kong, and that was like two years ago.
Yeah.
We got a lot of flack from that from people who were saying, whoa, whoa, whoa.
But like, we, you know, again, a descriptive versus a normative argument.
Do I want Xi Jinping to have his way with Hong Kong?
No.
Wieldy?
luke rudkowski
Yes, exactly. This Beijing professor confirmed everything that we've been hearing about for a very long time. We were
talking about this two days ago Before the video came out. Two days ago, we were breaking
everything down and we got to understand we're in their trade war
We're gonna gonna be in a currency war We're probably according to the tzatziki trap might be even
in a hot war and we have to understand China has its hands deep in
American institutions like we can't even imagine When we look at politicians and corporations, they have been enriched more than they could have even imagined because of this opening of China policy that has been instituted by individuals like Henry Kissinger under the Nixon administration.
that literally went to China with David Rockefeller and said, Hey, we're going to have a lot of jobs for you.
We're going to bring you a lot of factories.
We're going to bring you a lot of industry.
You just give us the cheap Chinese slave labor, and then we're going to have a great deal and everything's going to go through China.
And that's exactly what's happening right now.
tim pool
Look, it's beyond just the schools where they have the Thousand Towns Project, where they've actually got a bunch of professors taking 50k a month or whatever, recruiting more people and selling our secrets.
They've got Hollywood bending the knee.
Doing movies where they remove negative things that could offend China.
The NBA is praising them.
And they got TikTok.
luke rudkowski
And mainstream media as well.
Mainstream news articles refuse many times to even criticize China or the Uyghur Muslims.
Look at Tibet as an example.
A few years ago, everyone was talking about Tibet and the Tibetans and the things that they're going through with the Chinese government.
Now, no one's even talking about Tibet.
No one's talking about the Uyghur Muslims.
No one's talking about The Hong Kong, where we're getting video footage right now of them sending activists and protesters to mainland China to never be seen again.
tim pool
Or the video footage of the Uyghur Muslims being loaded into trains, heads shaven.
All that's happening, and it sounds like if Trump isn't the president in the next four years, we will just be subjects of China.
will chamberlain
I mean, I don't think we'll be subjects of China.
I think that we're still too strong.
tim pool
Figuratively.
will chamberlain
But, like, it'll get to the point where whatever soft power we had, I mean, like, it just, it will be gone, right?
Like, we'll ask somebody.
tim pool
We're a generation or two out.
You see what TikTok is doing?
People don't realize this with how TikTok works.
You know what?
I'm going to stop and talk about a different social media app, okay, that's similar.
And what they do is, and I've mentioned this before, you get, in order to get a bunch of young people using your social media app so you can manipulate them and control what they see and what they think, you get some kids to use it.
You give them fake followers.
All of a sudden, some high school kids, like, I got 2,000 followers on this app.
Like, I don't have any followers on Facebook or Twitter.
They use the app more.
They get more followers.
The followers aren't real.
They brag to their friends.
You got, how many followers do you have, 50?
I got 4,000 on TikTok.
Or I should say a different app, not TikTok.
No, I mean literally a different app.
Because I don't know if TikTok did this, but I know there's another company that did this, and it worked out very, very, very, very well for them.
You get all these young people to use it, and eventually you've created a cultural wave that everybody wants to be on it, because they want to get recognition, they want the followers, they want the points, they want the score.
Then, you use the algorithm to control what they can see and what they can't see.
All of a sudden now, anything negative about China is gone.
Everything positive about China is coming back.
Donald Trump is the orange man, he's awful, he's evil, he's bad, everybody hates him, right?
You better go vote.
Then you get a big surge of young people who go out and vote.
And that's manipulated through this technology coming from these other countries.
It's fifth-generational warfare.
will chamberlain
I mean, there's a reason China doesn't let its citizens use Twitter.
tim pool
Exactly.
But they use it for us.
will chamberlain
Yeah, like, I mean, there needs to be reciprocity there or nothing at all, right?
It's ridiculous that it took so long or that people were even pushing back against the problem of China.
luke rudkowski
And they're aggressively going after VPNs so people in China can't even, you know, change their addresses to see what people in the world are saying.
So just imagine living in China where your social credit score relies on what you regurgitate, what you read.
If you read something you're not supposed to read, your social credit score goes down.
And this is a society that other places like Singapore and other governments are even thinking about adapting themselves, because this is a great way to control people, to subjugate people, and to benefit the special interest class, which are seeing these things.
They're saying, wait, this could be probably good here.
And then we have a Biden administration where his cabinet is being filled with individuals that are literally arguing, we can't do anything to stifle.
We shouldn't stop China, because if we do, that's going to hurt the global economy.
We need to let China rise.
Just give up.
tim pool
Guys, just lay down.
And put your hands up and expose your soft underbelly for China.
They just want to lock up the Uyghur Muslims.
ian crossland
We need satellite internet.
We need to bypass ISPs and get this free software mesh network in place.
unidentified
We need it here so we don't get censored, but they need it.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I mean free and open internet is something critically important.
And when you see China controlling it, controlling what their people can and cannot listen to and see, this is a huge, vast power that it just started out with saying, with the government coming out saying, no, we're going to tell you what you should listen to.
We know what's best for you.
Just like corporations are making the argument here.
We have to fight against fake news and everything that's wrong in our society.
We're going to curate everything for you and provide it to you on a silver platter.
tim pool
I think we're on track to Based on everything we're seeing happening right now, when I say that we'll be subjects of China, I don't mean in a year, I mean in 50 or 100.
We will be a weak, old regional power, probably fractured in many ways with a, you know, disparate broken government in some... I imagine at that point, you know, and again a lot of variables from now between the 50 or 100 years, but China's got the power, China's growing, China's controlling us, and we're losing.
will chamberlain
I don't know.
I would say I'm that as pessimistic as you are, but I definitely think that we're, in general, I mean, the Democrats are, you know, continuing Democrat control will lead to that, sure.
tim pool
Look at the past several decades of what the U.S.
has been doing.
Sending our manufacturing overseas, Trans-Pacific Partnership.
Now, you know, Joe Biden's going to jump in whatever Pacific Partnership agreement there's going to be.
And it's not just about China.
They're the biggest threat the U.S.
has right now, but it's also about the U.S.
just giving up.
And it's not like the collective spirit of America has said, oh, I failed, I'm done.
It's that we've got politicians that never cared about us, and it's partly our fault.
When people go in and they say, I'm gonna vote Democrat, I'm voting Republican, they don't know who they're voting for.
They end up voting for people who are just like, vote for me, and I'll fight for you, I'll give you whatever you want, and then all they really wanted was the keys to the castle.
They wanna get the paycheck, they wanna get the pension, and they wanna get their name etched in stone for history, and then they did nothing.
And then when it came to passing bills, they said, How much money can we make in the short term if we send our manufacturing to, you know, to Mexico, to Indonesia, to, you know, to Vietnam or China?
We'll make a ton of money in the short term.
What about the long term?
Oh, we'll lose.
Yeah, but we won't care about that.
That's our kids, right?
Politicians have sold out the next generations.
I'm so surprised to me you've got so many young people who are becoming socialists.
That seems to me like the downward trajectory is we had a period where a bunch of our leaders were selling on a manufacturing base.
For a short-term gain with a long-term loss.
And then we created this world where these kids are like, well, just go to college then, right?
That's the solution.
There's no more good manufacturing jobs.
Go to college and you'll get a good paying job.
But what happens when everybody has a degree in some field or another and you're competing with people on the same level once again?
There are still no jobs.
There can be a million good computer jobs, but if, you know, 50 million kids are coming out of college with computer degrees, there's still no jobs.
Now they're saying, nothing works, we need communism.
But communism doesn't produce anything, it extracts things.
So over a long enough period of time, as everyone keeps demanding the government pay my bills, we need a stimulus!
Lock everything down, have the government pay for it.
The government can print money.
Money can facilitate trade, but if there's nothing being produced, there's nothing to trade in the long run.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I think that's right.
All right, I need to quickly use the restroom.
tim pool
I just did that.
luke rudkowski
I would say all the jobs are definitely in China with the Uyghur Muslims producing a lot of the corporate American goods that lecture us on racism here in the United States, which is something that people need to realize as well.
But I don't know if we want to go into the next story, but I mean, they infiltrate not only these kind of intellectual institutions that kind of set Uh, our young children to be where they are right now.
China has a huge influence on the universities and colleges, but they also infiltrate politicians in more ways than one as we found out today with the Chinese spy.
unidentified
Oh, that's right.
tim pool
Swalwell has the nerve to say cheat an election when he had a fundraiser organized by a Chinese spy.
luke rudkowski
Yes, and there's accusations by Donald Trump Jr.
that allegedly this spy had relations with Mr. Eric Swalwell, which by the way, Eric Swalwell was one of the biggest proponents of Russian collusion.
If you remember, he was out there on all the media networks.
They loved him.
He was ranting and raving.
There's a foreign government infiltrating our government.
There's a foreign government controlling everything.
The Russians are colluding!
tim pool
He farted on TV while accusing Trump of trying to cheat an election.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
And at the same time he was being infiltrated at very high levels by a Chinese government which he had very close dealings with.
Now this person is very interesting because they are describing her as a honeypot.
She slept with many prominent government officials and she escaped to China as soon as the FBI came looking for her.
They saw that she somehow miraculously escaped.
Which is absolutely mind-boggling.
tim pool
So the Biden family's compromised.
Dianne Feinstein had a Chinese spy working for her office, and now Swalwell and many other people had a spy working for them.
Secretary Pompeo said that Chinese governments infiltrated every level of government.
luke rudkowski
Not just infiltrated.
I mean, this spy was deemed an important political figure in California.
She was orchestrating a lot of the campaigns, a lot of the fundraisers.
tim pool
Fundraising for Swalwell.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
So there's individuals right now saying Swalwell needs to resign immediately since he's been infiltrated.
The mainstream media right now is slowly patting him on the back saying, it's okay, he's a victim here.
tim pool
He was given a briefing by the FBI.
They didn't do that for Trump.
Yep.
When Trump was accused of Russia, they just started spying on him.
luke rudkowski
The FBI called him and notified him that he was infiltrated by the Chinese government And we still don't know exactly what this person has.
We don't know what information they were able to gather.
This person also did fundraisers for Tulsi Gabbard, of all people.
unidentified
Wow.
Yes.
luke rudkowski
So this is a major big story that's going to have a lot of ramifications.
Because when you look at the Beijing professor, he also talked about a political figure that helped him out tremendously, that now has Chinese citizens and now was back in China.
So we saw this Beijing professor literally talk about this, gloating about this.
acting very happy that this happened and now we have this ...
story that just came out there and I think this probably ...
happened a couple weeks ago maybe even a couple months ago ...
and now we're just finding out about it is a correlation with ...
it you make me more pessimistic but the whole China ...
I mean I rather know the truth and reality that we're facing ...
than be blinded to exactly what's going on.
Because we have to understand, our institutions are corrupted to the core, and they need to be replaced immediately.
tim pool
Listen, listen.
If you just praise the glory that is the Chinese Communist Party, then you'll get to be a wealthy party member.
You'll have a nice loft atop the tallest building.
luke rudkowski
I wouldn't feel right imprisoning the Uyghurs.
I wouldn't feel right imprisoning the poor Hong Kong people.
tim pool
What if it's you?
Would you rather go to the Gulag yourself?
All you have to do is give in.
unidentified
Just give in.
luke rudkowski
No thank you.
tim pool
That's what's happening though.
It's the way people feel.
It's a path of least resistance.
Why bother fighting against this machine that is gaining strength and taking over when you can just give in and be rich, right?
will chamberlain
That's how they won over the elites.
luke rudkowski
We're talking about the spying program that was revealed today with the Chinese honeypot that infiltrated more ways than one a lot of U.S.
government officials.
What do you think about that?
Because a lot of people are saying this is room for Swalwell to resign.
Do you think that's legitimate?
Do you think there's any legal merit in that?
will chamberlain
I mean, there's not a legal... It's not a legal argument.
It's a political argument.
I think you should resign.
I think this should be looked at like... I think you should have resigned a long time ago.
Like, you were compromised by a Russian spy in the middle of the Cold War?
Yeah, time for you to resign.
But I, in general, think a lot more people in our government should be resigning.
tim pool
I think they should all resign, to be honest.
luke rudkowski
Except for Rand Paul.
will chamberlain
And retiring from public life.
Like, why hasn't Bill Kristol retired from public life?
lydia smith
Oh, seriously.
luke rudkowski
Or Henry Kissinger, of all people.
tim pool
Well, he got fired by Trump.
luke rudkowski
his organization did.
will chamberlain
I mean, he's 90.
Doesn't he have grandchildren?
He can hang out with them.
tim pool
It's fine.
Doesn't it seem like Trump is...
I'll say this, in my opinion, Trump is doing...
Everything he's doing, he's acting as though he's not going anywhere.
will chamberlain
I mean, I think that's...
I think it's a front.
Honestly, I think he'll, you know...
Remember, the dude was a billionaire and he gave up the life of a billionaire and he'll
be returning to the life of a billionaire for the most part.
tim pool
Yeah, but I don't know.
The TDS individuals are going to go after him.
Yeah, right.
will chamberlain
The state prosecutors.
tim pool
There's a bunch of them.
They're nuts.
This is what I'm saying, man.
I can't imagine everything just goes back to normal the way some of these people, like these Democrat voters, think is going to happen.
will chamberlain
Yeah, like the calls for unity.
Like, I'm sorry, you don't get to call us Nazis one day and then suddenly have me turn around and sing Kumbaya with you.
tim pool
But they think it's going to calm down when you've literally got, you know, Lin Wood and Cindy Powell, for instance, saying, don't vote Republican.
will chamberlain
Oh my gosh.
I mean, that said, like, and there's stuff like I'm seeing like calls for martial law and, you know, like, I'm not for any of that.
In that respect, I'm just like, count me out.
I'm not gonna sit here and be like... Well, we gotta be honest here.
luke rudkowski
If the Republicans were accused of stealing the election, I think half of America would be burned down by now.
will chamberlain
Oh yeah, sure, right.
But it's also the consequence of that.
If what you're calling for is martial law and a re-vote, and if you actually prevailed, then half of America would be burned down.
tim pool
If Trump succeeds in his efforts, because president, Yeah, it's going to be Antifa times 10 times 100.
will chamberlain
And I mean, like, I mean, that's not that's not independently a reason, right?
The question is, like, I, the reason I pose that is not like, oh, well, Antifa is bad, and they'll do bad things.
It's not, you know, we shouldn't let that control our behavior and decision making.
tim pool
But Uh, that doesn't mean I want to live in a country with coups or, uh, sort of what do you, what do you look if, if Trump on January 21st is a regular guy again, the new New York's going after him like crazy and, and the media smears and lies about him.
It's intense.
unidentified
That's intense!
will chamberlain
I don't know.
I mean, it's just, you remember everybody hated Nixon and then they stopped and they forgot after the Ford pardon.
I could even see a Biden pardon of Trump, honestly.
tim pool
But that's federal level.
What about the state level?
The state level is the issue.
will chamberlain
I mean, they can't pardon the state level, but I think the sort of urgency and onus to keep going after Trump is gone if he's not president anymore.
I think.
Perhaps.
tim pool
I mean, I might be wrong, but... I don't think so, though, because I think they need their boogeyman.
They need their villain.
And you know what the articles that are coming out right now from the left say?
In order for us to heal, Trump must go to prison.
will chamberlain
Yeah, no.
tim pool
A lot of hot takes coming from the left on that one.
will chamberlain
Well, they've been calling for things like truth and reconciliation commissions.
tim pool
Tribunals.
will chamberlain
Tribunals.
So he's like Hideki Tojo or something.
tim pool
I'll say a couple things.
By all means, call out the people saying we need martial law, right?
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
The Democrats have already implemented it in many states.
will chamberlain
Oh, you know, over COVID restrictions.
tim pool
Right.
And then you add that to the fact now they're saying tribunals for not just Trump but his
enablers and some people have gone so far as they put a list of their supporters.
So that would be you, me, or even Luke, even though Luke's not a Trump supporter.
It doesn't matter.
You've called out China.
You've been critical of the left.
Therefore, it's good enough for them.
Ian, who's actually kind of a hippie dude, they'd say, doesn't matter.
He's on the Timcast IRL show.
Put him on the list of enablers and supporters.
So if we're at the point where we already have martial law locked on many places and states that's violating the Constitution, they're calling for truth and reconciliation commissions, tribunals, and things like that, and then on the other side they're calling for martial law, like, how does this go down?
will chamberlain
I mean, I don't know how it resolves.
I think, you know, my hope is that... Collapse?
tim pool
I'm not saying hope, I'm saying the resolve.
will chamberlain
Right, like if you're making predictions?
I don't know.
I mean, I think, and there's a lot of other, you know, the COVID reorientation of wealth to the big companies versus people.
tim pool
People having nothing left are going to snap.
Like that viral video of the Pineapple Hill woman, where she's got this outdoor seating area that Newsom's like, you can't use it.
And then right next to it is Hollywood food production services.
Totally fine.
Regular people are looking at that and their brains are going to explode.
will chamberlain
Yeah, and I wonder if the consequences for that are finally going to be felt in a world where Trump isn't around.
He does have this effect of sucking all the air out of the room, and that in terms of media coverage.
I mean, the thing about—it is really deeply offensive that these politicians can't adhere to their own guidelines.
tim pool
And they don't want to.
luke rudkowski
It's also important to note that we saw record levels of protest under the Obama administration when he first came in.
We saw Occupy Wall Street.
So that's also another factor to really consider here.
And also that a big swap of the left is not really impressed with Biden at all.
But I was going to ask you, how do you see this unfolding in the worst case scenario?
And how do you see it unfolding in the best case scenario?
will chamberlain
I mean, worst case, you get I mean, I guess, like, Democrats are gonna be in control of the federal government, and Republicans generally don't do, like, full-scale rebellion.
Right.
tim pool
And they don't do cultural institutions.
will chamberlain
And they don't do cultural institutions, but they also don't do, like, Antifa-type stuff in general.
Like, there isn't—you know, you don't see the sort of burning down of the cities and— Let me know your thoughts on this.
tim pool
I think we might see, you know, Joe Biden, for instance, he wants to ban all online sales of guns and accessories and ammo and things like that.
luke rudkowski
He wants to do what you- Bullet registration and a $200 tax on every- Every gun, NFA.
tim pool
What is it, National Firearms Act, is that what it is?
unidentified
Yes, yes.
will chamberlain
That's why we need to make sure we don't lose the damn Senate.
tim pool
Well, so what happens then if he does this, if the Senate does this, if they pack the courts, I wouldn't be surprised if a bunch of jurisdictions, small towns, all of a sudden had right-wing militias putting up checkpoints.
unidentified
Sure.
will chamberlain
I mean, I think that would be a point where you'd actually see the sort of rebellions and like, you know, real serious Yeah, but I think, I mean, my guess is that's ultimately going to be just talk.
I don't think Biden's going to sign new gun legislation.
become like a really big thing.
tim pool
And that's why we had the, uh, what was it?
What were the two?
You had Waco, you had Ruby Ridge.
will chamberlain
Yeah, but I think, I mean, my guess is that's ultimately going to be just talk.
I don't think Biden's going to sign new gun legislation.
I think that, I mean, Democrats.
tim pool
You don't think they'll pack the Supreme Court?
will chamberlain
I mean, I think, I think if they had the power, they would do it.
And I think the big problem there is what you'll... I don't know if Biden will do this stuff at the federal level, but what I expect will be in a world where the court is packed, DC versus Heller gets overturned.
tim pool
What is that one?
will chamberlain
That's the court decision that establishes that the right to bear arms is an individual right and not a collective one.
tim pool
Right, so the collective right would be like, if there's a militia, then you're allowed to be in the militia with guns.
will chamberlain
Exactly.
And it's scary that that decision's even close.
Like, I mean, it requires real bastardization of the grammar of the Second Amendment.
tim pool
Well, have you read the original Second Amendment?
will chamberlain
Oh, the one that says that we can do whatever we want with guns?
It's like that Parks and Rec, Ron Swanson?
tim pool
When they were initially proposing the Bill of Rights, there were like 17 articles that were proposed.
The original Second Amendment said something to the effect of, If someone chooses not to join active duty militia or military, they will still have the right to bear arms.
And they took that language out, I guess, because there was a concern about it could potentially mean people could avoid conscription.
So initially they were like, you can bear, you know, a well-regulated militia being necessary to, you know, for a free state, the right to bear arms shall not be infringed.
And if an individual chooses not to join or be part of militia, they shall still have the right to bear arms.
And they were like, wait, wait, wait, get rid of that part, because it makes it sound like you can avoid conscription.
And we need conscription, because at the time, if you were an able-bodied male, it's like, you're going to war, buddy.
So they get rid of it, now we have these arguments, which I think are completely in bad faith.
If you actually look at the history of the Second Amendment, we had privateers, we had corsairs.
Like, a regular dude's like, here's my battleship I can use to blow up a French, you know, trade vessel.
Regular citizens had cannons on their houses and properties and things like that, so they could.
Now, now it's like, you can't have any of that, and that's the argument, but anyway.
will chamberlain
Also defund the police, because the police are bad, and really just like, let yourself be at the mercy of people who would do violence to you.
tim pool
That's why I think what we're talking about is fifth generational warfare.
Disarm the people, and disarm their local police.
Why would you do that?
Let me tell you this.
In these West Coast places, where they're very prominently doing this.
Portland, Seattle, places in California.
It's already hard enough to get a gun in California.
Now you've got defund the police.
What do you think would happen if you had Northern California, nobody's armed.
Well, Northern California is fairly Republican, so people probably have long guns.
But let's say you have a city.
Very few people have guns.
And the police are now defunded and fractured.
Anybody can walk right in.
will chamberlain
Dystopia.
You know, I'm from California.
I would never move back.
And it's sad to see what's happened to the state.
tim pool
I think if, you know, they get the Senate, and I do think they'll get it.
I do.
Because Trump's not on the ticket.
Look at 2018.
They didn't have the...
Trump supporters are not Republicans, for the most part.
will chamberlain
Yeah, but Stacey Abrams lost in 16.
She lost to Brian Kemp.
tim pool
In 16?
will chamberlain
Yeah, sorry, in 18.
That's true.
I mean, and like, I still, you know, I still am a, Georgia's a red state in general.
I think it just had a particular coalition, sort of like Utah, if like Utah were a closer state.
Utah was, you know, very Mormon and had a big chunk of, you know, Trump underperformed his normal, the normal Republican performance in that state.
So I think Georgia's kind of similar in that respect, where you've got You know, that big suburban Atlanta population.
luke rudkowski
Since you're a betting man, what odds would you give on Georgia going Republican?
will chamberlain
Going Republican?
I'd say, I mean, 70% chance, 75% chance.
Wow.
tim pool
I think that's what the, uh, the betting odds are right now.
It's like 70, 70 something.
will chamberlain
Sounds about right to me, right?
Like, you know, when I was, I, the funny thing is I didn't bet on the original, the election before the election, cause I thought the odds were about right.
You know, I think Trump was about a two to one dog or something like that.
And I thought that was right.
luke rudkowski
I have to say, either way, it doesn't look good, because if, you know, the Senate is, by one, a majority of the Republicans, how much dirt do the Chinese have, especially with their honeypots on one politician, to persuade them or to push them into doing whatever they want?
will chamberlain
I mean, and they've been doing some crazy stuff.
I mean, they decided—I still don't understand this and why they would even consider it.
They did the Mike Lee's immigration bill where he wanted to, like, remove country caps.
Guys, get a grip, we're trying to win the Senate here, and you're out there, you're pushing liberalized immigration policy when there's a Republican... That's why I don't even think the Republicans are going to do enough to defend the country.
I just, I mean, I don't expect much out of them, I just expect them not to do things that are, you know, disastrous and catastrophic, because, I mean, the way I look at it is Democrats want to completely remove the ability for Republicans to win elections.
I don't know if you've read the book, It's Time to Fight Dirty, I might have recommended it, I don't know.
But basically, I mean, what do they want to do?
Why do they want to do it?
Pack the Supreme Court, add more states so that they can control the Senate permanently, you know, national voter registration, you know, automatic voter registration, voting day a holiday.
tim pool
They want to completely... Universal mail-in voting.
Universal mail-in voting.
And the argument is, we want to make it easier for people to vote, and that's just not true.
They're trying to strip away election security.
That's what they're doing.
will chamberlain
Yeah, and I mean, but the end goal here is permanent Democratic control, and they thought they almost had it.
They thought they were going to get it.
One of the, you know, and that's actually one of the arguments, like, why I don't think the whole thing was rigged, you know, in terms of, like, well, the voting machines are rigged.
Well, if the voting machines were rigged, why didn't they just get a result in line with polling?
You know, Democrats underperform public polling in the run-up to the election.
tim pool
Joe, well, yeah.
The polling was nuts, though.
will chamberlain
It was insane.
tim pool
Look, if you want to play, it's easily explained in terms of the Trump supporter, more conspiracy mindset.
The polls were propaganda to demoralize voters saying Trump's going to win, don't bother.
will chamberlain
Sure, I agree.
tim pool
Then when it came to actually, as Trump has said, this is their opinion, That he ended up winning so well that they panicked and had to really go crazy on, you know, cranking out the fake votes.
will chamberlain
Just so story, you know.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
What I'm saying is there's like, there is an explanation.
The left is saying right now, if Biden cheated, then how come he, the Democrats lost down ballot?
Well, because there's a bunch of undervotes, votes that were just for Biden.
unidentified
Right.
will chamberlain
I mean, and like, I think there's plenty of cheating on the fringe, right?
Like, I still think that, you know, I watched poll watchers get denied entry.
I watched how frivolous, like, the behavior of these Democratic poll workers was.
And I'm like, these people could have—there's no moral thing that would have stopped these people from doing some amount of cheating if they could get away with it.
Um, the question is just what could they get away with?
And I think, you know, you end up getting away with things like coerced absentee votes, duplicate votes, those sort of, and then maybe some bad stuff.
tim pool
Well, in Philly they were putting up those signs saying, here's who you should vote for.
will chamberlain
Yeah, like that's super it's like it's the weird like it's like the cheating on the margins or fraud on the margins versus like fraud at the core and I think that I haven't seen any good evidence of fraud at the core.
tim pool
I don't think there's like proof of you know, these the Dominion allegations, but there's like that's that's that's so wait, you know, you know what really bothered me about Dominion stuff is that I even said this on the show.
I got really mad about it.
Because the Dominion stuff and Hammer and Scorecard was a red herring.
Here's what happens.
There will be some dirty politician, and he'll get caught doing something illegal, and when someone starts sniffing too close, What they'll do is they'll throw out some crazy idea to throw him off the trail, and then instead of saying, I caught this dude doing drugs, it turns into crazy pizza cult at, you know, in D.C.
And now the real crime is they're laughing, saying, we tricked those people, how easy.
So right now when you've got actual irregularity and impropriety, Trump's suing and trying to be legitimized in his claims.
The single worst thing for Donald Trump in all of this was the lawsuit from Sidney Powell And that's why a lot of people, it's funny, they're claiming that Sidney Powell's a Democrat and Lynwood's a Democrat and they're like trying to subvert Trump.
I tell you, man, I was reading a post on Reddit and they said when it comes to a coup, the one thing a leader and the person staging the coup need is legitimacy.
The current leader needs to tell everyone, I'm in charge, I will always be in charge, listen to what I have to say so that the lower, you know, individuals, the police, the law enforcement, military, listen.
What the other guy needs in the coup is legitimacy in the same regard.
Here's why I'm actually in charge, listen to me.
Trump comes out and says, 682,000 votes.
No one was able to observe.
What's going on here?
Matthew Brainard's Voter Integrity Project.
Look at all of these votes from people who live in different states and voted twice.
That's legitimate.
Then all of a sudden, Sidney Powell comes out with this typo-laden, crackin' lawsuit that sounds crazy, that has, you know, it's almost impossible to back up except for a bunch of YouTube videos and a bunch of weird videos popping up.
And it worked.
loses that legitimacy. The media jumped on that in two seconds and tried making every claim from
the Trump campaign about the fringes and craziest conspiracy to delegitimize his claim that he
will chamberlain
actually won. And it worked. Yep. Yeah, no, I, those lawsuits are a disaster.
And I had people in my mentions constantly, who knows if they're real or not, honestly, but people in my mentions being like, how dare you say that this won't work?
And it's just like, because I'm a lawyer, and I can read a brief.
tim pool
These people are real.
The people are real.
I know people in my life, I've talked to people who are adamantly convinced the Dominion stuff is real.
I'll tell you what, maybe.
Sure.
But listen.
will chamberlain
It's voter suppression, too, for the Georgia thing.
Sorry to interrupt, but you're suppressing your own voters when you tell them that the election is completely rigged.
tim pool
And you see what happened with Ronna McDaniel when the lady was asking her, like, why should we even bother voting?
It's rigged.
And she's like, no, no, no, you have to vote.
Then you see Sidney Powell and Lin Wood.
Not only did they delegitimize Trump's claims strongly, not completely, they're also now telling people not to vote for Republicans.
will chamberlain
I mean, it's just, you know, this is the Suicide Caucus.
Like, the sort of, we should just commit electoral suicide because we didn't get exactly what we wanted.
tim pool
Maybe they're accelerationists.
will chamberlain
Maybe they are.
tim pool
They think, look, the Democrats take everything over.
Here's the problem.
Frogs boiling in a pot eventually just boil.
But you throw boiling water at a frog and the frog's going to jump and run away.
That's what the accelerationists think.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I mean, well, maybe there's some big giant strategy, but really I think it's just a giant PR exercise from people who've gotten high on their own supply of PR.
tim pool
What about Trump?
You think Trump's trying to win, though?
will chamberlain
I mean, I think he's trying to win.
I just think I think he's, you know, he's been a businessman for a long time.
He's a guy who's litigated a bunch of cases to the end.
So he's probably just like he's doing what he does.
He's like any other businessman.
He'll litigate hard as long as he can until his appeals are exhausted and then he'll comply.
That's what I think.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Let's do this.
We would normally not jump to super chats, but I want to do one more segment because I've been sitting on the story.
It's a week old now, but I really want to talk about it.
It has very little to do with politics and everything to do with just the absurdity of the modern political world.
Ladies and gentlemen, Vanderbilt players were crying during Sarah Fuller's 30-yard kick.
This is an actual news story.
Let me break it down for you.
Sarah Fuller is the first woman to play in, what is it, Power 5, I think it's called?
I'm not a big football fan, so I don't know a whole lot about what this means.
Changing the game, Sarah Fuller became the first woman to play in a Power 5 college football game.
The team she's on, Vanderbilt, lost.
41-0.
She came out in the second half and did, uh, she kicked.
And kicked, like, between 20 and 30 yards.
And then ended up losing.
I tweeted about this.
And I didn't say anything negative, because I was just like, I was like, history was made.
You know, the first woman to play in a Power 5 game.
Loses 41-0, she kicked 30 yards.
And people were trying to convince me, like say to me, it was a squib kick, it was on purpose, right?
Then we got more news, this is the craziest thing.
Vanderbilt players consider opting out of final game at Georgia, another kicker joining team, after this fiasco.
Players actually said that they wouldn't play in another game.
They were not going to do it.
Seems like, I don't know if this team thought, hey, we'll just put the first female kicker on to get all this good social justice PR, but it resulted in the players actually crying.
So this is the story from the Daily Caller.
They say, Vanderbilt players were apparently emotional during Sarah Fuller's kick against Missouri.
Okay, maybe they were crying because with tears of joy, right?
They were just crying watching this historic moment.
unidentified
Sure.
tim pool
During the 41-0 blowout loss, Fuller became the first woman to play in a major college football game.
When she kicked the start of the second half, the ball went a staggering 30 yards.
There were some people on the sideline tearing up, QB Mike Wright said during a Saturday morning College Game Day segment on Fuller's kick.
As hard as that might be to believe, I can promise that I'm not making this up.
You can watch the video below.
It used to be an insult, yada yada.
When is this nonsense going to end, they say?
This was nothing more than a PR stunt, which didn't save Derek Mason's job, and now we're out here talking about players crying.
Are you kidding me?
This can't possibly be real.
From the way people talk about Fuller's kick, you'd think she was the first woman to walk on the moon.
So it sounds like they're actually saying they were crying tears of joy.
Right?
will chamberlain
Yeah.
I mean, it's, it's incredibly silly and patronizing.
And I mean, any meaningful... I don't know.
luke rudkowski
I mean, there's record low testosterone out there and it keeps going down.
tim pool
Remember the tri guys from BuzzFeed?
unidentified
Yes.
Oh my gosh.
luke rudkowski
And it's like, they got tested.
unidentified
They got tested.
tim pool
You know this?
luke rudkowski
I'm sorry.
will chamberlain
You got tested?
tim pool
Yeah, go ahead.
So there were four guys at BuzzFeed, and they got their T levels tested.
And they were all like 80-year-old men.
lydia smith
I could have told you that just looking at them, though.
tim pool
I mean, super low and it's kind of, it's kind of crazy.
I wonder, is there like, what's going on?
luke rudkowski
There's been a progressive decline in testosterone that's been tested throughout the decades.
There's many theories out there.
There's many different explanations.
Some people are talking about microplastics.
Some people are talking about poor diet.
Some people are talking about birth control in the water, birth control in the water, which is another thing.
Some people are talking about the frogs deciding to change their orientation.
Turn the freaking frogs gay!
unidentified
I didn't want to say that, but yes, that's exactly what's been happening.
will chamberlain
Is that going to derank you?
unidentified
I don't know, probably.
tim pool
They're going to think it was actually Alex Jones.
They're going to be like, we caught it!
No, no, I'm just doing an impersonation.
luke rudkowski
But this is a serious issue because reproductivity of human beings is going down dramatically, so people... So what does that have to do with the kick in the football game?
Well, we just made a comment about the testosterone issue, and maybe they were crying for real because they were emotional.
tim pool
When I read that, I thought they were crying because their careers are now destroyed.
They're now losers on a losing team because of this PR stunt to put a woman on the team.
luke rudkowski
They lost 41-0.
will chamberlain
Maybe you're not familiar with this, but there was some Chicago White Sox owner who had his team send out a six-year-old or something to bat in a baseball game.
tim pool
Really?
will chamberlain
He walked because of the small strike zone.
tim pool
Is that real?
will chamberlain
That's real.
I think it's Eddie Geidel.
G-E-I-D-E-L.
I think that's right.
I know the owner is Bill Veck.
See if I got the name right.
lydia smith
That's amazing.
luke rudkowski
I always find things like that kind of patronizing.
will chamberlain
Look at that.
Man, my memory's good.
tim pool
He was the world's smallest player.
He was five foot six inches.
will chamberlain
No, no, no, that's Rizzuto.
Click on the link.
tim pool
This?
Eddie Geidel?
will chamberlain
Yeah, there he is.
tim pool
Oh wow, look at that.
will chamberlain
That's real.
That happened.
tim pool
Oh wow, but he wasn't six years old.
will chamberlain
I'm not sure how old he was when he played.
tim pool
He's just a little person.
will chamberlain
No, no, no.
He was a child.
tim pool
He was a child?
will chamberlain
He was a child.
tim pool
He gained recognition in the second game of the St.
Louis Browns doubleheader.
Weighing 60 pounds and staying at 3'7", he became the shortest player in history of the major leagues.
will chamberlain
Oh, no, you're right.
I guess you're right.
He was actually... He looks like a child.
tim pool
Smart play, though.
Smart play.
Tiny strike zone.
Hard to get that.
He's going to in your walks.
will chamberlain
Yeah, he walks so... that's what I didn't remember correctly.
tim pool
So what is the strategic advantage of having a female kicker?
will chamberlain
There isn't one, but I guess... BuzzFeed's gonna like you.
I was thinking it's like, you know, 50 years ago people recognized this sort of thing as like a ridiculous stunt, and it's like...
tim pool
Well, I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell you.
The reason I want to talk about this is because I said, I think like three years ago, when like a lot of video game and movie stuff was happening, I said it's only a matter of time before they just change the rules to mandate women in major league sports.
Like, why not?
The rules are arbitrary, right?
We could raise the basketball nets five feet.
We just agree to do it.
Then no more dunking or something.
People might still be able to dunk, I guess.
But we could just say, okay, new rule change.
So what if right now everyone just said, okay, new rule change.
Players have to be half women, half men.
Why not?
unidentified
Well, is the NBA gonna be diverse?
will chamberlain
Then you just see a bunch of, I mean, there would be a huge market for trans women.
That's what happens.
tim pool
Well, I said back then that it's only a matter of time before there are diversity demands in major league sports.
If the rules can be changed by people, then there's no reason they can't have a rule saying, the easiest way to get women in major league sports is just to mandate that they're there.
It's the same as any diversity quota.
It's not about your merit, it's about making sure there's representation in the game, right?
will chamberlain
I mean, I would have said Democrats wouldn't do that, but they've done a lot of crazy things in the past few years.
luke rudkowski
But this already happens in mainstream society.
In the corporate world, this already exists.
So why wouldn't it exist in the NBA?
tim pool
And I think it's going to.
It's absolutely going to.
ian crossland
They'll get their bones broken.
tim pool
Well, perhaps.
Or perhaps you're a bigot, Ian.
unidentified
No, I'm talking about physiology.
ian crossland
You gotta be compassionate.
tim pool
Will, can you hear this bigot?
Everyone knows there's no difference at all.
will chamberlain
I'm just struck by the fact that he's not recognizing the impact of discourse on physiology.
lydia smith
Yeah.
unidentified
We can talk people to be the same.
tim pool
Well, no, no, no.
But think about this.
Think about this.
There's no rule stopping women from playing in any major league sport.
They just don't win.
When they try out, like, you know, she kicked 30 yards.
She didn't kick 70.
So I looked at it, I don't know anything about football, and they said a good, you know, kick is 70 yards.
She got it.
ian crossland
She might have been kicking onside, though, because they were down so far.
tim pool
Was that the case?
ian crossland
Well, if they're down 25 points at the beginning of the second half, and she might kick an onside kick.
tim pool
And some people said it was a squib kick, intentionally.
ian crossland
Which is an onside, yeah.
She might be a great kicker.
tim pool
Yeah.
For a woman.
The point I'm making is, look, we make up the rules of the game.
Right now the rules are the best of the best are chosen by the managers and the owners for who's going to be on the team.
We could simply just say, yeah, exactly.
Diversity over meritocracy.
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
Well, I don't know about naturally.
Like, men are naturally losing testosterone.
Like, the BuzzFeed guys are a good example of that.
But I think that might be because they're not exercising.
You know, look, guys used to have to go and chop lumber.
will chamberlain
True.
tim pool
Now they sit at their desks and eat Doritos and drink Mountain Dew.
will chamberlain
Yeah, COVID was not good for my waistline, that's for sure.
tim pool
But maybe with more women getting in sports and things like that, maybe we'll see an increase over time.
But look, the point I'm saying is, you mentioned in corporations, we already have the diversity quotas.
You look at California now, they passed that law where the mandatory board member must be female or minority or whatever.
Why not in Major League Sports?
I'm not saying why not in the sense of, I'm advocating for it.
I'm saying, why wouldn't they do it?
luke rudkowski
They will be doing it, and you're calling it out, and we're gonna see in a few months, maybe even a few years, just these kind of patronizing representation of, here we are, we're all equal, we're all the same, everyone gets an award.
will chamberlain
I don't know, I mean, you might end up, it might be a bridge too far, right?
You get the sense that people were able to do a lot of things.
I want you to think about this, like, I wonder how long the mass kneeling would have lasted in a world where the crowds were still at the arenas, right, after George Floyd.
There's a sense where they could get away with it because there was no audience to boo.
I wonder how long people would do that if there was systematic booing.
luke rudkowski
Well, look what happened to the NBA and their record low ratings with them politicizing this and literally putting Black Lives Matter on the basketball court.
tim pool
And then they polled people.
It was a Hill-Harris X and they found that most people said, I can't stand the politics.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
So they're not watching anymore.
luke rudkowski
Well, I watched one game and it was just during the timeouts during the interviews, any kind of patronizing any kind of virtual signal they could put out they put out there as much as they could.
So what you're saying I think is going to come true.
It's only going to be a matter of time and it's trendy.
unidentified
It's cool.
luke rudkowski
Well, you got to get with the times.
will chamberlain
Yeah, that's why I'm a conservative.
tim pool
It's gonna come down to Claptor, right?
What we're gonna see is people are gonna be watching sports and they're not gonna care about touchdowns or scores.
They're gonna care about representation of people.
So it's like that episode of South Park where they had Sarcastible.
where football was too rough so that it turned into a game of tag and then it was
like them chasing balloons around and wearing bras and it was because Randy was like okay fine like it's too
rough why don't we just have the kids chase balloons instead I guess
and they're like okay that's a good idea okay then why not have them wear bras
while they do it and they're like okay let's do it and they did it and the game became just
ridiculous nonsense and then they didn't realize like they were like I don't
know if I'm being sarcastic anymore nothing makes sense everything's broken
but I think I think that's where we're gonna we're gonna get to we're gonna start seeing
ian crossland
a bunch of these you know political if you did if you had like a force fed men and women on the
football field together you'd eventually get like a group of rogue dudes that are huge
and beast that would just go start their own league
tim pool
I think, you know what, I was reading that we should just let everybody take whatever drugs they want.
luke rudkowski
Well, I'm into that.
tim pool
In terms of performance enhancement.
No, I'm just kidding.
Was it Joe Rogan talking about this?
luke rudkowski
Somebody was talking about it.
unidentified
Probably.
tim pool
Where they were like, just let everybody take whatever drugs they want, and then you'll have gigantic monsters just running on the field.
ian crossland
Like steroids.
tim pool
Yeah, just everything.
Their heart rate's like 250, resting, and they're like, run!
Running, you know, 30 miles an hour, just the craziest all out.
ian crossland
Barry Bonds was roided out.
unidentified
We just didn't know about it.
tim pool
So let's roll it.
Okay, let's do super chats.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Super chats.
All right.
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Bill Ray says, Louisiana just joined Texas lawsuit with SCOTUS.
More states are said to follow.
Is that?
Can you google it?
luke rudkowski
Yes, I saw that article out there as well.
will chamberlain
It's true.
Don't think it'll matter.
Sorry.
Stop raining on our parade wheel.
I mean, the question from the Supreme Court's perspective is not how many states agree that we should sue here, but do we want I mean, think about, from their perspective, right now there are election contests in states and this litigation is handled elsewhere.
Do they really want to be the court of first resort for states that are upset about election results?
tim pool
No, but what if they have secretly their own self-preservation at heart?
They know that the court will get packed and they'll lose all their legitimacy and become a legislative body and then eventually they'll say, we vote for the Supreme Court justices.
will chamberlain
I just don't think they're... I've been around long enough to see when the Supreme Court decides they don't want to hear cases and they don't have to, they end up not.
That said, I could be wrong here because there's three justices who might end up agreeing with Alito and Thomas.
Um, that we haven't heard from on the issue of whether or not they think it's actually mandatory for them to take these cases.
tim pool
Wait, Alito and Thomas do think it's mandatory?
will chamberlain
Yeah, Alito and Thomas think it's mandatory, but for a long time, the majority has said it's discretionary.
And I mean, that's, that's a practical thing, too.
tim pool
So you would, you would, so you have Alito and Thomas, if potentially Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett, then you would need... And Gorsuch, yeah.
So, potentially Gorsuch.
will chamberlain
Possible, I just, just doubtful.
tim pool
The three, you don't know their opinions, and if they do agree...
will chamberlain
Yeah, but I mean, if they agree, there's a lot of reasons for them to not want to agree, because, you know, they've just invited a whole slew of leaders they don't want.
tim pool
But come on, come on, come on, Will.
Don't you think that Clarence Thomas has waited 30 years for his revenge against Joe Biden?
will chamberlain
That's what the meme said.
I bet he is very tempted.
tim pool
I bet he is very tempted.
No, you know that meme where, you've seen the meme where Clarence Thomas' eyes are glowing and it says, I've been waiting 30 years for this moment, Mr. Biden, or whatever?
I was like, I think Clarence Thomas is of sound mind and integrity and maturity that he would not have that... He doesn't... These are some of the most, you know, people of highest integrity and merit.
I don't see them being like, I have a personal grudge to fulfill and I've been waiting 30 years and I'm going to use the court to get it.
will chamberlain
That doesn't sound like... That's not how it works.
That's not how they want to do their jobs.
tim pool
Maybe though, I mean, I saw that look on Kavanaugh's face and remember what he said?
Like, what did he say?
Something about, you know, them getting what they deserve or something like that?
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, like... And it's Kamala Harris.
will chamberlain
And she was one of the people.
But I mean, there's just an ethos to judging that a lot of these judges have, which is they take pride in applying the law as written.
And doing it better than other people and in a more fair way.
It's almost like law is a kind of, it's almost like a kind of game or puzzle that you're trying to like, you know, and the legal problems are puzzles you're trying to elegantly solve.
And it's hard to escape from that to do something so radical.
tim pool
William Martinez says, according to Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis, it isn't rejected.
They only rejected the emergency injunction relief.
will chamberlain
Right.
That's true.
tim pool
We talked about that.
Basically, the idea is, if they don't put, if they don't agree with the injunction now, then what relief could they possibly give if the lawsuit can't do anything anymore?
will chamberlain
There's a reason they filed the emergency injunctive relief.
It's important.
The fact that you had unanimous denial of that without a dissent is a real, I mean, it's just a really bad sign for the underlying litigation.
And I think that in a world where they really did think that the Pennsylvania plaintiffs would prevail, they would be inclined to grant that relief.
tim pool
So these are superchats from a while ago.
Ziggy says, Lawsuit was dismissed because of Texas lawsuit.
Also, seven more states just joined Texas lawsuit.
lydia smith
I haven't seen seven more states?
tim pool
Yeah, I haven't seen seven.
lydia smith
I have, okay.
I have seen Arkansas, Alabama, and Louisiana who are supporting Texas.
This is from three hours ago.
tim pool
Really?
lydia smith
Yeah, I don't know.
There might be even more.
tim pool
Are we going to get the second Civil War here?
lydia smith
That's the most recent thing I saw.
will chamberlain
I think, again, is not to put cold water on it.
Bring it on, Bill.
lydia smith
We can handle it.
will chamberlain
But it's like the idea that the Supreme Court would dismiss one case in order because Texas filed a lawsuit that is a type of lawsuit that is very narrowly circumscribed to these like water rights type cases.
tim pool
A lot of people are saying seven other states just joined.
lydia smith
Let me see what else I can find.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I'm not optimistic.
That said, again, I do say that I'm more optimistic about this than I have been about other things, just because instead of having like six or seven independent procedural bars to hearing the case, there's just this one thing.
And so if the court gets over this one thing, they could hear it.
tim pool
I think you're just a negative Nancy Will, and you just hate Trump.
unidentified
I'm so tired of being called that.
will chamberlain
Everybody's like... Maybe I should just put my brain in a bowl of warm water and forget for the next, like, weeks.
tim pool
Well, no, it is funny, though, because it's like when I'm reading legal analysis on Twitter, the right-wing opinions are always like, here's why Trump is gonna win, and the left is always like, this is why Trump's gonna lose.
And then there's a tendency so far for Trump only had a few lawsuits, and then you had a bunch of other lawsuits from other people.
These leftist legal opinions are always like, oh, that's Trump down 40 now, and it's like Trump didn't actually file all those lawsuits.
He can't control those people, so they're really trying to ham it up.
But then in certain, you know, you get the point, right?
will chamberlain
Yeah, and I mean, you can't help when somebody files a lawsuit that's terrible, and it gets thrown out on jurisdictional grounds.
tim pool
Mike Hunt, uh, I almost read it, I almost read it, you're gonna get me in trouble.
Mr. Hunt, first name, Mike, says, watch Viva Frey's video on the Texas lawsuit, we will win.
unidentified
Well, I don't know, Viva Frey, he's a famous... I respect Viva Frey.
tim pool
But he's Canadian, isn't he?
will chamberlain
Yeah, but I think, like, you know, I tried to do my reading on this, and like, when I first read the lawsuit... Will, Will.
tim pool
Just put that negative feeling in the back of your mind and lie so you can get more followers on Twitter.
lydia smith
Yes.
will chamberlain
Does that work?
tim pool
Yes, of course it does.
luke rudkowski
That's what Twitter is.
tim pool
It's their code of conduct.
If you came out and said, Hi, I'm a respectable lawyer and I run a publication and my clear legal analysis suggests that Donald Trump is guaranteed victory.
You'd gain a bunch of followers.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I'd probably get like 10,000 retweets.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
Harmeet Dhillon tweeted out from, you know, Lin Wood said that Raffensperger and Kemper are going to prison or whatever and she said, this is bat ass.
It's not gonna happen.
She lost followers.
She's like, good.
lydia smith
Yeah.
will chamberlain
I feel that way too.
tim pool
If you want a lawyer to lie to you, go follow them.
Don't follow me.
And I'm like, exactly, exactly.
will chamberlain
I mean, it's culling the weak.
lydia smith
She's great.
Yeah, absolutely.
tim pool
The commander says, a war against China won't be hopeless.
Look up Binkov's Battleground episodes of Taiwan vs. China.
The Marines are currently training new missile crews and putting them in ships in reserve to contain them to the China Sea and counter their island building.
Interesting.
ian crossland
Yeah, they're building islands.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Floating islands.
tim pool
Yep.
Steven Krashefsky says, if you want an example of what SCOTUS will look like once Dems are done with it, look at the PA Supreme Court.
Political, partisan, corrupt.
will chamberlain
That's correct.
That's a good shot.
tim pool
Yeah?
And then, and then what?
Do we just roll over and give up now?
There's no, there's no, this is it, right?
I mean, yeah. If they pack the courts and they give statehood to DC, which makes no sense,
Puerto Rico, I can understand. And then all of a sudden, Republicans never win elections.
And when they do, they never win any of their votes. And it's extreme single party rule.
And then we become California. Next thing we know, they're trying to repeal the Civil Rights Act.
will chamberlain
Yeah. Because, yeah, it'll last for too much equality.
tim pool
Yeah, they tried.
Archimagirius says, in PA if you buy a gun you can select non-binary for gender on the application.
WTF?
Identify as a fit 145 pound non-binary with no felonies.
Yeah, you can.
will chamberlain
See, people... I have a random bit on this.
People seem to think that... Everybody said, you know, gender is not, like, in the current thing, is not a new... It's a new word.
You know, before 1960s, gender only referred to how it is used in languages.
And then the 1960s, people realized, hey, we want a word that is distinct from, like, biological sex to refer to sort of archetypes of behavior among males and females.
So let's call it gender and let's make it that thing.
And then 30 years later, that's like, hey, did you know that gender is a social construction?
I'm like, yes, that's why it was invented.
tim pool
But now they're saying sex is a social social construct.
So I put out a tweet that was meant to be just like general support for Elliot Page.
Elliot Page is female.
But you know, and there are people who feel a certain way and ask that you respect them.
I have I have no problem giving someone respect when they've earned it.
And I think Elliot Page is cool.
So I'm totally cool with Sure, I mean, there's also like a basic kindness, like call people what they want to be called.
Saying Elliot Page is female is transphobic, and people were like reporting me like crazy, and quote-tweeting saying, why won't Twitter ban him?
Why won't Twitter ban him?
Because I said a basic fact with respect.
The point I was making was that even though Elliot Page is a female, Elliot Page is asking for respect, and I think Elliot is cool, so I'll grant that respect.
I have no problem there.
I think this is great.
It's fine.
You know, do your thing.
The problem is the left wants you to think that biological sex is now a social construct, which it's not.
will chamberlain
No, it's not.
tim pool
So there is a basic fact about this, but I'm not trying to be mean.
Like, I'm trying to make the point that we can still respect someone if they, you know, you're not guaranteed respect.
No one has to give you respect, but people can choose to.
will chamberlain
Right.
There's a difference between kindness and mandatory thought control.
lydia smith
Yep.
will chamberlain
Right?
I think that, you know, I'm perfectly happy to be kind and use people's names the way they want them used.
But when you start saying, oh, we should mandate pronoun usage, I mean, now you're mandating how I talk about you when you're not here.
Right?
That's another thing about pronouns.
So pronouns, I don't, when I talk to you, I don't use your gender or your sex.
tim pool
So a lot of people are bringing up, JayofLegends has seven more states joined Texas.
Louisiana, Arkansas, Alabama, Florida, Kentucky, Mississippi, South Carolina, South Dakota, eight states in total now.
But certainly at a certain point, there's a constitutional crisis, right?
will chamberlain
I mean, it's just, it strikes me as just like a PR exercise.
States file amicus briefs all the time supporting litigation.
tim pool
Is that what it is?
will chamberlain
Yeah, and I mean, it's like, that's why, I mean, and so this isn't like an amicus brief.
This is like, oh, well states, apparently under this theory, states can sue other states if they don't enforce their election laws properly.
I mean it makes sense. It makes sense but then you also kind of see like shouldn't this be like
an amicus brief in a case where that is not like straight to the Supreme Court and instead you know
tim pool
there's like election contest procedures. They waited the very last day for the safe harbor
will chamberlain
deadline too. Are they gonna get the Supreme Court might just be like. I mean the there was one thing
I thought the briefing was generally not bad.
There were a couple things I noticed.
One thing, and this is more inside baseball, the Texas Solicitor General was not in the brief, and that's not a good sign.
Yeah.
tim pool
People were saying that he wouldn't sign off on it because they don't believe in it.
will chamberlain
Yeah, I mean, that's wrong.
So the Solicitor General of any state is the person who handles all their appellate litigation, Supreme Court stuff, and the appellate litigation in their own state.
And they're usually a person who is often a former Supreme Court clerk, etc., and they're in charge of that.
And if they're not willing to sign on, it's like, That's not a good sign.
tim pool
But I'm saying, after everything we've seen with the conflict, the chaos, the fighting, the street battles, the tensions reaching the Supreme Court, now you have a bunch of states suing other states.
Whether or not these states actually mean it, the regular people are seeing this, and Trump supporters are agreeing with it, and we're being pushed towards the most extreme outcome.
will chamberlain
That's true.
tim pool
States lining up against other states.
will chamberlain
That didn't work out well the first time it happened.
5% of the population died.
I don't want that to happen again.
tim pool
I would argue that it didn't work out well in that capacity, but it actually worked out very, very well.
Slavery was ended.
will chamberlain
I agree that it's a good thing that slavery ended.
That seems like the most uncontroversial thing I could ever say.
unidentified
I think it was a good thing that slavery was ended.
will chamberlain
I'm on the side of that was an idea.
That was a good idea.
tim pool
We should have done that.
No, but think about the potential outcomes of where we're at now.
If it is true that we are slowly being eroded by just feckless politicians who are selling us out for over a long time, then regaining control in some capacity, there's a net positive.
There's nothing as clearly as moral as slavery in this instance, however.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
I think the threat of a foreign power is serious, but Civil War, you know, brought about the end of slavery.
will chamberlain
I mean, that's just... At the end of the day, I think, like, the other states realize that it's an obvious PR exercise to, like, sign on to a lawsuit that their constituents want them to sign on to.
tim pool
I understand that, but think about what that means to the regular people of their state.
How many people do you think started polishing their guns when they heard eight states are now supporting the suit?
will chamberlain
Yeah, no, that's something to worry about.
And also probably a reason that they would deny cert again, right?
tim pool
Like, that they would deny a motion They'd be like we don't want this we don't want a massive state-on-state battle when you're talking about I think I think that's what they would create if eight states are saying we demand to be heard and the Supreme Court says no Then regular people are gonna say are you kidding me?
If eight states can't get Listened to in the federal courts and we've seen the evidence and they won't give us the time of day People are gonna their heads are gonna explode.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
No, that's that's I think the smartest thing would be the Supreme Court actually hearing it and then ruling against it on some, you know, in some capacity.
will chamberlain
I don't know.
Good question.
tim pool
Denying eight states is gonna make people blow up.
will chamberlain
Yeah, no, I didn't really think about like that angle of it.
That makes sense.
I mean, I still think ultimately the Supreme Court's gonna pass, but...
tim pool
I wouldn't be surprised.
The injunctive relief was 9-0.
It was unanimous.
They said no to injunctive relief.
will chamberlain
I mean, that's not the first time, right?
tim pool
The Third Circuit was... People have commented.
They're saying the reason they did that is because Texas lawsuits is bigger and it's going to accomplish the same thing.
will chamberlain
I mean, this is just more 40HS thinking.
Like, oh, this loss is actually what we want.
Like, no, we don't want to lose.
We're losing is bad.
tim pool
Well, no, but does that make sense?
That the Supreme Court would say, we're already, you know, we have a bigger case that's going to happen?
will chamberlain
I mean, they would have just gotten the filing by the time they were, I mean, they would have finalized the decision in the last few days.
They wouldn't have known about this filing.
They would have just gotten the filing.
They barely reviewed the briefing, have not reviewed any opposition briefing or even thought about it.
tim pool
I think the fact that this many states have lined up is signaling to the people of this country that the divisions are as extreme as they could possibly be.
will chamberlain
Oh, I have no doubt about that.
I mean, the divisions are horrible.
tim pool
But I think that leads to some, you know, really bad scenarios in the next few years.
will chamberlain
I hope not.
I hope you're wrong.
tim pool
V City says, related to your story earlier, do you remember in 1996 the DNC and Clintons got busted illegally accepting contributions?
The Chinese billionaire doing that got arrested in 2015 for illegally bringing 4.5 million into the US.
That was the John Ash case.
Interesting.
Big Rig says, what is the definition of a reasonable amount of time in the context of the PA lawsuit?
will chamberlain
I mean, in the PA lawsuit, that would relate to latches.
There, it's a question of whether or not there was undue delay, and that will differ under the circumstances.
There's a lot of cases in law where there's not an exact technical definition.
And then it's like, did it cause prejudice to the opposing party?
tim pool
Rylo704 says, he wins in court or revolution it is.
That's what everyone around me in North Carolina is thinking.
As seen by massive gun ammo sales.
No one will tolerate an agent of China as POTUS.
I have a DD-214 and I will readily die for America.
You see what the Arizona GOP said?
Are you ready to die for your country or whatever?
will chamberlain
I mean, I'll be actually a little bit more forceful later.
I think all that talk is too much.
tim pool
Oh, I agree.
Look, I'm at a point where I'm like, we see what's going on with the Chinese infiltration and this guy bragging about Biden being in the back pocket.
We've seen the story.
We've seen the laptop.
We've seen the emails.
We know about the flight on Air Force Two.
We know all that's happening.
It's not about what I think or what you think or anyone in this room thinks.
It's about what regular people have decided a long time ago.
will chamberlain
Sure.
I mean, and hopefully it's, I mean, it's the same sort of talk that was like, I mean, the Democrats were pushing that Trump was a Russian agent for so, you know, a long time.
This seems like kind of the analog of that.
Like, you know, I don't think, I don't think Democrats, I mean, there were anarchist Democrats, but I don't know the Democrats were talking about a complete revolution in the streets.
So they were talking about resistance obnoxiously.
I don't know.
tim pool
Deditated says, what does Ian think?
ian crossland
About what?
tim pool
About what we're talking about.
ian crossland
I think that we need a cultural cohesion and it's not gonna come through politics.
unidentified
That we need to focus on our art, make some sweet songs, and keep doing shows like this.
I agree, yeah.
tim pool
That's why we're doing the vlog.
We want to have fun with lasers and 3D printers so we can create something positive.
You know, a lot of what we talk about is all negative.
All these bad things.
will chamberlain
I don't like talking about how my side is going to lose.
It's not fun.
It's not my favorite thing to do.
luke rudkowski
Or a civil war.
will chamberlain
Right, right.
tim pool
We want to build a laser and shoot a teddy bear with it.
will chamberlain
I was having so much fun when we were talking about the national emergency declaration.
Everybody didn't agree with me, but I was like, no, this will work.
Here's the statute.
Here's the law.
Here's why what Trump's doing is going to work.
Super stoked to talk about that.
Really not a fan of talking about how Trump's not going to win these election challenges.
tim pool
But you know outside of just politics in general everything's always about some crisis or some problem
Yeah, even if you're talking about winning you're talking about a fight, so that's why I'm like we got to do a vlog
We got to do so we're gonna be we're buying farmland. We're gonna be doing a lot of stuff here
We're also gonna a big farm, and we're gonna do crazy stuff there
We're gonna build like dome houses that was Luke's idea and we can make videos about just doing positive things
teaching people how to be responsible for themselves and having fun while we do it because
There's got to be a balance. Yeah We can't just talk every night about how bad everything is.
luke rudkowski
Are you optimistic about anything?
will chamberlain
I mean, I'm optimistic about... I think I'm honestly optimistic about, like, how life is going for me personally in general.
You know, I'm still reading a lot of books.
I got, you know, Human Events is doing well.
I mean, things are going well personally.
unidentified
Cool.
will chamberlain
Like, I read a thousand page book on the Battle of Midway recently.
unidentified
I enjoyed that.
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
Right on.
Jonathan Trudeau says, I have a question.
Can we have the National Guard watch over the poll counters to make sure everyone plays by the rules?
And if you don't, then you get arrested.
And then there and then there and then there and they stay and watch the ballots till everything is counted.
will chamberlain
I mean, we should have a ballot system that no one questions.
Like, that should be the end goal.
I don't know, I don't realize why people, like, don't think of that.
I mean, other countries look at our ballot system and are like, that's stupid.
lydia smith
Yes.
will chamberlain
Like, we should have a ballot system that, like, that's beyond question.
That should be the goal.
Because, you know, especially in a world where we're so polarized.
tim pool
I remember tweeting something along the lines of, isn't it a wonderful time to be experimenting with It's entirely possible that throughout the show we are talking about nonsense because people were getting the news while we weren't, but someone says SCOTUS has voted 6-3 to hear the Texas lawsuit.
Is that true?
will chamberlain
No, I don't think so.
lydia smith
I haven't seen that yet.
will chamberlain
I haven't seen it.
I'm pretty sure that it was just docketed.
tim pool
Yeah, it was like last night or whatever.
will chamberlain
No, the lawsuit was filed this morning, I think, but it was docketed.
It was on the Supreme Court's docket and people were out there saying, oh, they've agreed to hear it.
I'm like, no, they just docketed it, which is just an acknowledgment that it was properly filed procedurally.
tim pool
Trevor Klein says, so this is it.
The free world has lost.
The future is red.
If Biden becomes president, you guys won't have a true election.
Canada is already effed.
I had hoped in you guys.
Now it does not.
Now it does look long night.
will chamberlain
I'm not, I'm not that depressed, especially if you hold the Senate.
Incoming presidents generally do worse in their first, in their first, uh, congressional midterm.
And, uh, Biden is also going to be 81 in, in 2024.
And it's not like cognitive decline reverses.
So.
tim pool
Lex Murley says, I'm laughing so hard I'm crying.
Don't ever fix Ian's mic.
It is his mic now.
People are saying that your mic is echoing.
lydia smith
Yes.
unidentified
And it's probably, it sounds super low.
tim pool
Why is it echoing?
Maybe the camera's audio is actually being picked up.
lydia smith
I think that might be it.
unidentified
Oh God.
lydia smith
Yeah, there's nothing I can do about it.
unidentified
Welcome to my world.
lydia smith
Sorry everyone.
will chamberlain
Somebody said lock the door so we can't come back.
That wasn't very nice.
tim pool
I'm not your buddy guy says dark times lie ahead of us and there will be a time when we must choose between what's easy and what is right.
Albus Dumbledore.
will chamberlain
Has anybody read a book other than Harry Potter?
lydia smith
To be fair, that is a good quote.
tim pool
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
There are other books?
Not yet.
Yeah, I love that millennials need to learn how to read books because they only ever read Harry Potter.
will chamberlain
It's replaced the Bible as a common cultural touchstone.
Seriously.
lydia smith
Well, it's kind of annoying to me because I've actually read the Harry Potter books and there are some good lines like that one.
There are some very hopeful and inspiring lines.
No one ever uses those.
They only use the dark ones and the really super resisty ones.
tim pool
Kaylin R. says, I put $300 on Trump to win.
Howley report of major voter fraud arrests in Texas.
Biden Ukraine video on YouTube.
Kill Chain video on HBO shows exactly how voter fraud is accomplished.
Kemp is in it and for sitting U.S.
senators.
will chamberlain
Well, there's always somebody on the other side of the bet.
tim pool
Yep.
Talbot Link says, there's people saying Trump supporters should be shaved like the French ladies that supported the Nazis.
With how many protesters did that to themselves, I foresee a dark twist on Benny Hill style stuff going down.
Yep.
Tyler Danielson says, if China runs the one world government, the Galactic Federation will never let us in.
Or they will, because they're like the Borg and they're extreme authoritarians who want just people to be under control, right?
luke rudkowski
There's actually a petition on change.org right now to label the Galactic Federation as a racist organization for the exclusion of Earth.
That's happening right now.
Getting a lot of signatures.
lydia smith
Nice.
will chamberlain
Wouldn't it be speciesist and not racist?
lydia smith
Yeah, I don't know what that would be.
tim pool
Okay, so is this real?
EW says SCOTUS just gave Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Georgia until December 10th at 3pm to respond to the Texas lawsuit.
lydia smith
I did see that, but that's not exactly new.
will chamberlain
That could be, I mean, that's obviously something where they would, and again, it's not, I'm not responding to the Texas lawsuit.
They're responding to the motion for leave to file.
tim pool
And so, like what we saw with Pennsylvania, they ordered Pennsylvania to respond.
Pennsylvania did.
And then they said, unanimously, reject.
Injective relief.
Yeah.
will chamberlain
Like, that's also happened a lot, where, I mean, everybody's been really excited about, like, the motions they've granted are, like, the motions for expedited review.
And they've been like, we won a victory!
We won the right to have our case dismissed really soon, as opposed to later on.
tim pool
Is it, is it possible that what's going on is everyone's kind of agreed, we've got to string the Trump supporters along just enough so that they run out of steam?
Because on election night, they're all riled up, right?
will chamberlain
Yeah.
tim pool
And if Biden won outright, people would explode immediately.
But drag it out as long as possible, get their hopes up and then bring them down and hopes up, then bring them down and slowly get to the point where they lost.
I mean, otherwise they go nuts.
will chamberlain
I mean, maybe that, maybe that's the way it'll work, right?
Maybe you'll just have like, I mean, maybe we'll just keep losing these cases and there you go.
tim pool
Shooter13 says, may your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.
Good quote.
Who's that?
lydia smith
I forget.
I think it's Sam... Samuel Adams?
Hold on, let me look it up for us.
tim pool
Jay says, Will looks like he's going to cry if Trump wins.
Can you comment on JRE with Jack Dorsey?
Was Jack being deceitful seeing now all the recent censorship?
Well, was Jack back on Joe Rogan?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I didn't see it.
Is that what happened?
Was that today?
luke rudkowski
Not that I've seen.
tim pool
I can comment on Jack with, uh, Joe with Jack Dorsey when I was on it, but that was like, you know, almost two years ago now.
Is that what they're referring to?
lydia smith
Yeah.
Can I read this quote real fast?
tim pool
Oh, I see.
Yeah.
lydia smith
It is from Sam Adams.
It says, If you love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace.
We ask not your counsel or arms.
Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
May your chains set lightly upon you and may your posterity forget that you are a countryman.
tim pool
We have two comments.
Jerome Morrow says, I used to like Ian, but now that he's demonically possessed, I don't know.
And Empowin Chat said, Ian is in his echo chamber in his safe space.
We got to fix that.
We got to fix that.
lydia smith
We'll look at that.
tim pool
Because we don't, we don't hear it because the input is on the camera.
It's not going into the mixer.
It's actually really simple.
We just flick the sound off on the, on the camera.
ian crossland
Want me to do that now?
tim pool
Yeah, I mean, we're a couple minutes out from all going to bed, so, you know, we'll get it sorted.
ian crossland
I like demons, by the way.
lydia smith
I was gonna say, somebody said he sounded like God.
ian crossland
We can go into it later.
tim pool
Like God?
lydia smith
Yeah, like the voice of God.
I was like, I don't think Ian would mind that.
tim pool
Actually, the mics are all correct.
We hear Ian.
He sounds reverberating.
luke rudkowski
I hear you fine.
ian crossland
That's what I've always been like.
tim pool
I hope you make all that money, Eli.
everyone's hearing that's actually Ian's voice. It's not technical witch at all.
Vibrato. JJ says the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with
the blood of patriots and tyrants. Thomas Jefferson. Eli Ben says I bet ten
thousand dollars on predict it for Trump to win. Still confident I will make bank.
will chamberlain
I hope you make all that money Eli I just don't think you will.
tim pool
And would you say that you hope you lose your money and he makes his money?
will chamberlain
I hope I lose my money.
Like, I, you know, I hope I'm wrong.
But I'm also like, you know, I'm not, again, I'm not going to make a public prediction without putting a bet on it.
Like this one, especially when everybody's disagreeing with me.
So.
lydia smith
I think that's fair.
tim pool
Donnie Mason says, the left was absolutely talking revolution in the streets.
What else would you call no justice, no peace, defunding the police, and nationwide riots?
Um, well, I'm not so sure about that, but I remember when they were chanting, revolution, nothing less, I'm pretty sure that implied they wanted revolution.
will chamberlain
Right, I was trying to distinguish between like the Antifa lefties and the sort of Russia truthers.
In a weird way it was like a more bizarre theory like at least like the sort of Antifa revolution the streets like there's a coherence to it this theory that our billionaire real estate magnate turned president was really a secret Russian nation.
tim pool
It was a fun idea because like living in a movie you know but life is more boring than that.
Let's see.
Jacob Jones says, Gandalf quote to Frodo lamenting bad times, quote, So do I and so do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide.
All we have to decide is what we do with this time that is given us.
will chamberlain
That's great.
unidentified
Yeah, true.
tim pool
Well, I think, you know, we're a little bit over, but we'll wrap up there.
Make sure you guys hit that like button, subscribe, notification bells.
We'll be back tomorrow.
Will, thanks so much for hanging out.
You want to mention your website?
will chamberlain
Yeah, humanevents.com.
uh... you know read our read our news and and follow me on twitter and periscope
at will chamberlain right regularly periscope doing a lot of the
legal periscopes as legal news happens will chamberlain
tim pool
yes you you realize the first time i was introduced to you some women said your
name was will chamberlain i was like was not like a soccer players like what
Wilt Chamberlain?
will chamberlain
Wilt the Stilt, they called him.
Super tall basketball player.
It's not the first time I've...
tim pool
Right, I imagine.
It's like a comparison.
I was like, that name sounds familiar.
ian crossland
Wilpa Stilt, they called him.
Super tall basketball player.
tim pool
Basketball player, there you go.
ian crossland
Wilpa Stilt Chamberlain.
tim pool
All right, well make sure you follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, at Tim Castner.
Check out my other channels, YouTube.com slash TimCast, and YouTube.com slash TimCastNews.
Again, we're live Monday through Friday at 8pm, so make sure you subscribe, hit the notification bell, and don't forget to follow Luke Rutkowski.
He's chillin' here.
luke rudkowski
Yep, you can find me on YouTube.com forward slash WeAreChange, and hope to see you there.
tim pool
And of course we got Ian, who is now the demonic monster.
You don't have to do that.
will chamberlain
I don't have to.
tim pool
You're already performing.
ian crossland
Follow me at Ian Crossland.
Hit me up.
Everywhere.
tim pool
And of course, you got Sour Patch Lids over on the production station.
lydia smith
Yes, I've been pushing the buttons all along tonight.
You guys sound very similar.
You guys are basically brothers from different mothers.
I'm sorry about that.
will chamberlain
Who?
lydia smith
Sour Patch Lids.
Luke and Will, you sound very similar.
Your voices.
So yeah, it's been difficult.
will chamberlain
Interesting.
lydia smith
Anyway, here's Tim.
tim pool
Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
We'll be back tomorrow at 8 p.m.
and we will see you all then.
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