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Dec. 8, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Israeli Official CONFIRMS Existence Of Aliens, Says THEYRE HERE w/ Luke Rudkowski
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tim pool
Ladies and gentlemen, I have to start this episode by saying one simple thing.
Joe Rogan, you were wrong!
You were wrong!
I was right!
You see, my friends, seven months ago, just a little bit more than seven months ago, I was on the Joe Rogan podcast, and I told him, Joe, we need a one-world government because the Galactic Federation is not going to allow Earth to join so long as we are not unified under one governing authority.
And you know what Joe said to me?
He said, I don't think there's a Galactic Federation.
Obviously, I was joking.
I thought the whole thing was hilarious.
But now we have this kind of funny story.
The former head of the Israeli space program said aliens are real.
Well, he said UFOs, but he said Galactic Federation.
So he basically said aliens are real.
And they're waiting for us to kind of calm down before revealing themselves.
Now, I know a lot of people are like, Tim, this is a clickbait title.
It's not true.
Well, hold on.
There's a man named Paul Hellyer.
Our good friend Luke Rutkowski actually knows him, correct?
luke rudkowski
Yes, I do.
And he was in an interview that he did with me a couple years ago, which was pretty eye opening, to say the least.
tim pool
What's his title?
luke rudkowski
He is the former Canadian defense minister.
tim pool
He said aliens are real.
luke rudkowski
Not only that, he said aliens are real and they're not coming to the earth because we keep fighting each other and they're denying us secret technology.
And if we could stop fighting, we could have this.
tim pool
So, so, so, so basically we have confirmation from a different government, different authority figure, Different old guy saying, I don't give a damn.
luke rudkowski
I'm going to be taking everything on the table and letting the people know what's going on.
And yes, Paul Heller and now this Israeli government official from the space program coming out and essentially saying the same thing.
tim pool
It's confirmation.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
OK, listen, everybody calm down.
We're having fun tonight, OK?
We're nearing the end of the year.
The story comes out.
Everybody's rolling with it because it's fun.
It's funny.
But let me ask you a serious question.
When a government official, former high-ranking official, comes out and says, here's the thing, why would you choose to believe or disbelieve them?
If a former intelligence agent, you know, came out and said, or the head of an intelligence agency, you know, said Donald Trump was colluding with the Russians, we had, what, more than half this country, most people, entertaining the possibility at the very least, and many who still believe it right now.
OK, I don't know if aliens are real or if they're coming here, but you have the challenges.
Who am I to question these two individuals who have now said very similar things?
luke rudkowski
Well, it's not just them.
It's also Harry Reid.
Oh, that's right.
tim pool
Harry Reid just said it, didn't he?
lydia smith
Bunch of old guys.
luke rudkowski
There's also very interesting comments from Barack Obama and Bill Clinton.
tim pool
That was a joke from... Of course.
unidentified
Or was it?
luke rudkowski
And we have to understand here, there is a lot of data, there is a lot of kind of circumstantial things coming together that do paint a picture that something could be up.
tim pool
It's gonna be a fun show because we got a ton of news to go through.
We got this, this is a legitimate story from verified, like, several different news outlets are reporting the same thing.
This guy has said this, that the UFOs are here, there's a galactic federation, we gotta chill.
And we got a bunch of news around this, especially quotes from Obama.
That was on, it was on Jimmy Kimmel.
We've also got news about microwave weapons potentially being used in India and the Havana Syndrome, which is basically these people who are in Cuba, like, diplomats, started getting this weird fatigue and, like, headaches and memory loss and couldn't, like, fuzzy vision.
And they think that somebody was using microwave weapons on them.
Now we're hearing it may actually be China who's doing it.
So this is crazy.
We've also got some other really big stories we'll get to.
There was a Trump supporter who had his house bombed.
And I don't know if this is a big story or not, but Ian noticed this.
This is not like reported anywhere, but you noticed that Joe Rogan's episodes off YouTube, all gone.
ian crossland
Yeah.
Like not all, but like most of them, all the ones that I could find, the full episodes have at least 4.4 million views.
So it looks like he left a lot of his big shows up.
tim pool
A bunch of the Joe Rogan episodes are gone.
It feels kind of silly, like, you know, opening with a joke about Joe, but then we actually have, like, something on his channel.
Now, the only reason I would talk about that is because it's the biggest podcast in the world, but there actually is some news around Joe's show.
There's, like, a bunch of people writing stuff.
Fans are upset.
You know, I see people making, you know, comments about it.
But we'll get into it because, you know, I think a lot of people are looking for celebrity gossip around this stuff.
But I do think it's really important to talk about, you know, where these episodes have gone, why they're gone.
So anyway, ladies and gentlemen, of course, I'm Tim Poole.
We're hanging out.
This is TimCastIRL Podcast.
We got Luke, who is just chiming in.
luke rudkowski
You messed up my introduction.
I was going to say, help, you're kidnapping me.
tim pool
You spelled help wrong.
luke rudkowski
I know, I did it on purpose.
And I did a little Tim Poole drawing right here as well, just to highlight.
tim pool
You spelled help, it says... I know, I know.
luke rudkowski
Why does it say... That was a joke, that was a joke.
I was gonna act like you're kidnapping me because you had me on for like three times in a row.
unidentified
It says heilp.
luke rudkowski
I know.
unidentified
Why?
luke rudkowski
But regardless of that, hi.
tim pool
Who are you dog whistling to?
luke rudkowski
I am the Supreme Allied Commander behind wearechange.org.
My favorite type of dog is a pit bull pug.
And an interesting fact about me is that Henry Kissinger has personally insulted me to my face on many occasions.
lydia smith
That's very cool.
I like that.
luke rudkowski
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
tim pool
Luke, you live a ridiculous life.
luke rudkowski
Yes, I do.
tim pool
Ian's chillin', of course.
He's got a crystal ball with a tinfoil hat on.
ian crossland
Yeah, and I truly believe when we develop Warp Drive, then the aliens will be like, okay, now... That's Star Trek.
tim pool
Nah, they're gonna be like, we're using you for cheap labor, so make our widgets.
luke rudkowski
There's an interesting theory about nuclear weapons that we're gonna be talking about in a little bit.
Could be one of the reasons why aliens are here, according to some people who theorize about it.
tim pool
And don't forget, Sour Patch Lids is producing.
unidentified
I am.
lydia smith
I'm over in the corner.
I have an even special guest than Luke.
I looked down and there was a little stink bug on my microphone.
He's hanging out.
You can see him there.
He's on the bottom there.
Oh, look, there he is.
tim pool
Yeah, anyway, he's super cool.
They're trying to escape winter.
luke rudkowski
You're comparing me to a stink bug.
lydia smith
No, he's cooler than you.
tim pool
Yeah, he's better.
I like stink bugs.
They smell bad, but they're very clumsy.
ian crossland
Docile.
tim pool
Yeah, docile and clumsy.
And, like, it's funny when they panic.
And, like, it's like you're not escaping.
You're just, like, kind of frantically spitting.
ian crossland
I wonder if that's like us with the aliens.
Like, they just look at us like stink bugs.
tim pool
We got a lot to talk about with the aliens, man.
unidentified
First.
lydia smith
Anyway.
tim pool
All right.
Let me actually pull- I have this tweet, but we'll pull up the real news.
Check this out.
This is from jewishpress.com.
This is a NewsGuard certified website.
I am doing this because the left's gonna be like, Tim Pool, conspiracies.
Nope, no, no, no.
ian crossland
It's NewsGuarded.
tim pool
NewsGuard, 92.5 out of 100, ladies and gentlemen.
This is almost as good as they come.
Former head of Israel's space program, the aliens asked not to be revealed, humanity not yet ready.
So this guy is professor.
Professor, mind you.
Haim Eshed.
He served from 1981 to 2010 as the head of Israel's security space program, and over the years received the Israeli... the Israel Security Award three times.
Twice for confidential technological inventions.
So if he went nuts, and this possibility is always open, it had to have happened over the past decade.
And the reason we think the good professor may have lost his marbles has to do with an interview he gave seven days ago, I guess.
Oh, he gave seven days.
The Shabbat edition of Yedioth Aharonoth, Israel's largest circulation for-pay newspaper, in which he says, quote, The aliens have asked not to announce that they are here.
Humanity is not ready yet.
Professor Eshed told Yedioth, among other things, here's his quote.
The UFOs have asked not to publish that they are here.
Humanity is not yet ready.
Well, he kind of just broke that promise.
It's like, hey dude, don't let my, you know, don't let my girlfriend know that I'm gonna be coming over.
Yeah, okay, I'm gonna text her right now.
No, what are we doing?
Aw, come on, man.
Trump was on the verge of revealing, but the aliens in the Galactic Federation are saying, wait, let people calm down first.
They don't want to start mass hysteria.
They want to first make us sane and understanding.
They have been waiting for humanity to evolve and reach a stage where we will generally understand what space and spaceships are.
There's an agreement between the U.S.
government and the aliens.
They signed a contract with us to do experiments here.
They, too, are researching and trying to understand the whole fabric of the universe.
And they want us as helpers.
There's an underground base in the depths of Mars where their representatives are, and also our American astronauts.
If I had to come up with what I'm saying today five years ago, I would have been hospitalized.
Wherever I've gone with this in academia, they've said, the man is lost his mind.
Today, they're already talking differently.
I have nothing to lose.
I've received my degrees and awards.
I am respected in universities abroad where the trend is also changing.
Now, This is a man named Paul Hellyer.
Luke actually knows this guy.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
Former defense minister.
luke rudkowski
I went to a retreat with him at Alex's race place for some strange reason.
tim pool
I don't want to confuse it.
The next guy we're about to talk to is Paul Hellyer.
That was the Israel guy.
Now we got the Canadian guy.
Luke, take it away.
luke rudkowski
Well, the Canadian guy, very...
powerful, high-level guy that's one of the highest level of government officials that came out and came forward and said, aliens are real, aliens do exist.
And he pretty much was saying the same thing that this Israeli professor, that this head of the former Israeli space program is saying.
tim pool
Security space program.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
Now, if you look at some of the revelations, I think one of the most interesting ones by this professor is that allegedly these aliens stopped nuclear Armageddon.
tim pool
It's a very famous conspiracy theory.
luke rudkowski
Yes.
Which is interesting because if you look right after the Manhattan Project, right after the United States developed and started testing nuclear weapons, there was a very big increase in rise in supposed UFOs, Unidentified Flying Objects.
tim pool
Now hold on, hold on.
The US is doing secret military weapon experiments at the, you know, one of which is the Manhattan Project.
So of course people are seeing crazy things in the sky.
luke rudkowski
Of course.
Yes, I'm not saying.
I'm just saying what people are kind of correlating together.
Paul Hiller came out and said that there are more than just one species of aliens.
His latest interview, he said that there was four different species that they've been visiting for thousands of years and that they want to, quote, give us technology if we would stop the wars.
And according to him, because of the atomic bomb, they decided that humans are a threat to the cosmos.
Wow!
And, I mean, if you look at some of the kind of accusations here, you know, let's just, you know, let's be... hypothetically, let's talk about them in this kind of possibility here, because if we talk about aliens stopping nuclear Armageddon, when you go to the DMV, you understand that this is what the government produces.
It shouldn't surprise you that there hasn't been a nuclear Armageddon, because these same kind of people have nuclear weapons.
So, and there also have been many instances where humanity has almost blown itself up.
There's many documented cases of alarms going off that were not really going off of nuclear armageddon, that were stopped.
tim pool
You know that story of the guy in the submarine?
The Russian guy.
And they got a false alarm that a nuke was headed, was fired from the U.S.
And so they were like, under protocol, you gotta fire that nuke in retaliation.
And he said, no, I won't do it.
luke rudkowski
Yep, and he did not... What if he really did?
tim pool
But the alien stopped it?
luke rudkowski
It could be.
He didn't follow basic procedures and protocols like he was asked to.
So he disobeyed a lawful order, which we need more of in this world.
Which is extremely commendable.
This man pretty much saved the world from nuclear Armageddon.
Some people, you know, have different theories that this was aliens.
Another thing that came out through this latest revelation is that humans aren't ready, that we have to be, quote, sane and understanding.
That was the exact quote by this Israeli professor who said, they want to first make us sane and understanding.
Now, if you look at current events, especially how people are beating the crap out of each other because of their political gangs, I think we have a little bit of waiting to do until we all become sane and understand.
tim pool
One of the things I was joking about was that COVID, and this is a joke, That the vaccine is because, you ever see War of the Worlds?
The aliens come, but then they all die from, like, normal illnesses that are, like, we're immune to?
Or, like, don't bother us?
So I'm like, there you go, right?
Make everybody quarantine for a long time, get rid of as much of the pathogens as possible, then the Galactic Federation comes.
I'm joking, by the way.
I know someone's gonna take it out of context.
But, Mike Cernovich tweeted this.
On April 27th, he said, Me.
They've kept us inside because they want to reveal aliens.
You, a very serious person.
No.
unidentified
Me.
tim pool
And then he links to a story.
From Buzzfeed.
The Pentagon has officially released three videos showing UFOs.
He just responded today with a Jerusalem Post saying, oh.
And they mentioned the Israeli security chief.
But we do have even more information.
Just a few days ago, leaked Pentagon UFO report revealed shock pic of mystery silver cube over Atlantic as fears of aliens beneath the seas.
Check this out.
You can't really see.
It's a tiny dot.
Look at that.
Zoom in.
What is that?
That's a crazy spaceship.
luke rudkowski
Well, now the videos that we're talking about, that Cernovich was talking about, were declassified just seven months ago.
And they come from 2007, 2017.
They were released by the New York Times.
They were released by a larger project of individuals coming together outside of government, including with Harry Reid, trying to get as much information out there as possible.
Now, what's really interesting about the government declassifying these videos, it's the same government that's been Lying about these videos and about their official task force that is working towards discovering UFOs.
The United States for a very long time has had a task force.
The U.S.
military and the U.S.
government has always been denying it, but now they're starting their own new task force, which they just started a couple months ago, which is really interesting.
Trump, two months ago, also came out and said that he is going to take a long and hard look What if, what if, what if it's not China that's, you know, the threat?
tim pool
What if Trump is actually fighting against the aliens?
luke rudkowski
He did start the space force, which is interesting to kind of theorize about.
tim pool
And in the future, it's going to be the globe, the earth globalists versus the galactivists.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
They're gonna be like, we live on Earth, you know, we're all from Earth, we're humans, not these, you know, gazorpions.
luke rudkowski
Now this, I think this truly deserves to be discussed.
We can laugh about it, but I do think people have their own kind of interpretations.
It's important to note what people are kind of interpreting throughout some of this kind of information dump that we're seeing from some of these government officials.
What is this?
And some of them are saying that this could be fallen demons and angels.
This is usually coming from the very religious crowd.
A lot of conspiracists are saying that this is advanced US technology to scare the public
into submission as documented and talked about through Project Blue Beam, which theorizes
that a world of a world of the world is coming together and that hypothetically the US government
is going to control people by using fake aliens.
Like Watchmen.
tim pool
Exactly.
luke rudkowski
Some of it.
tim pool
Have you read Watchmen?
Michael Malice got mad at me.
luke rudkowski
I've read so much.
unidentified
Red.
Different?
luke rudkowski
of people are people who think there's UFOs out there and they might be UFOs.
So I think it's important to clarify that.
I've read so much.
But we've seen this in entertainment in Hollywood just like we saw in Watchmen.
What happened then?
ian crossland
Red.
tim pool
Different?
Yes.
So it's originally a graphic novel and they made a movie out of it.
The movie's very different.
In the graphic novel, it's the Cold War, there's a verge of nuclear apocalypse.
So the villain, basically, spoiler alert, it's from the 80s, I think, so if you haven't read it or seen the movie, he stages an alien invasion to create a unified enemy.
So Earth must come together and avert nuclear apocalypse to defeat the aliens.
And then, you know, there's like...
You know, stuff afterwards, Rorschach, and he's got his journal, and then someone finds it, and stuff like that.
But yeah, stage an alien invasion, because then you can get everyone to come together under a one-world authority.
But also think about intersectionality, right?
The intersectionality, you know, whatever you want to call it, the critical race theorists, critical gender theorists, they want to erase identity almost.
It's weird though, because they're very much inflaming identity-based tensions.
But like, if you look at the surface of what they're doing, it's all about inclusivity and diversity, and anyone can be anything they want.
And so it's really, you know, you can say that it's a conspiracy, but there really are people who want to create a one-world government.
And this is not a conspiracy, right?
It's been since the end of World War II.
We had the League of Nations, and we have North Atlantic, you know, we have NATO, and now the UN.
The goal of which is to stop countries from attacking and blowing each other up.
ian crossland
Hitler wanted a one world government.
He was in charge of, I believe.
tim pool
So right now, one of the big movements we've seen from a lot of these international interests has been trade agreements under the idea that creating a network of trade lines will inhibit warfare.
And that's why they're adamant about ramming through ridiculous, we don't care, just make it happen.
And that's why we've seen other bigger conspiracies about economic manipulation.
luke rudkowski
Like, you know, globalization.
But also, interesting that you're talking about agreements, since another kind of revelation by this professor is that allegedly there's a contract between the aliens and the humans.
tim pool
Why would we need one?
luke rudkowski
To do testing, and the question I have is, who is enforcing this contract?
ian crossland
The church.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
ian crossland
They told us that God is real, but it's actually aliens communicating with us.
tim pool
You ever play Assassin's Creed?
ian crossland
No.
tim pool
Like, I don't know where Assassin's Creed is at now.
ian crossland
I've read a little bit of it.
tim pool
But the original was basically that, like, aliens created, like, seeded Earth.
And then there's, like, what they're actually finding is ancient technology.
So it's like a long-standing conspiracy or science fiction idea that, you know, what we view as religious or magical was actually just ancient text.
ian crossland
Us swearing allegiance to God is swearing allegiance to an alien force.
And Tesla was so tapped into the divine that he was getting the information and he built these lightweight drone craft.
Check this out.
He built these lightweight aluminum craft that can be controlled from the ground, wireless electricity, but can also be controlled from the aliens.
And that's how they're using us to create things that they can control.
tim pool
You gotta slow down, you gotta slow down.
luke rudkowski
Never.
tim pool
No, no, no, you just said like three different things that have nothing to do with what we're talking about.
ian crossland
How you like me now?
luke rudkowski
I did meet a Tesla secret society in Serbia that believed that Tesla was literally communicating with outer beings.
So there are individuals who believe some of this stuff.
tim pool
But to say that people praying to God are praying to aliens and then all of a sudden... What if they are?
But that's, okay, we can stop there.
ian crossland
What if that's the compact?
The contract?
tim pool
We can then start talking about something different, right?
Why is it that the kings and queens of all these different countries were kings and queens?
You know why?
Divine Providence.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
God told them.
ian crossland
The divine right of law.
tim pool
Yes, it was there right by God.
So what if it was actually aliens saying, we want you to be in charge?
ian crossland
Dude, I'm wondering.
luke rudkowski
There's a lot of things we could, you know, theorize about.
We could say that if you do DMT, you see the aliens, but I think there's two, there's There's two clear things here that are undeniable.
One is that we're not ready.
We're divided.
We're fighting each other over absolute nonsense.
I think that's partly true.
unidentified
And the second thing is, what was the second thing?
luke rudkowski
Is that we need more information.
There's so much lack of information that people are just making stuff up to fill in the holes and we don't need to guess what happened.
tim pool
I disagree about being ready.
luke rudkowski
I think when we look at the latest revelations by Harry Reid, who came out and said the government is lying, the government is hiding information from this, I think that's credible.
tim pool
He said we had alien spacecraft or something like that.
luke rudkowski
Yes, I think that's credible.
We need more information, we need more transparency, we need more accountability, and because we don't have that, we have all these theories, we don't have to concentrate on the theories, we should all concentrate on getting more accountability from our government to tell us what's going on here.
tim pool
Okay, Mr. Anarchist.
If there was a grand conspiracy covering up all these aliens that effective, they could easily stage any kind of conspiracy to unify the planet against aliens.
People will freak out and go nuts if an alien mothership appears and we're powerless to do anything against it.
And that could disrupt the economy and result in billions dying because supply chains break and everything like that.
So, maybe, Mike Cernovich was right.
I don't know if he was being serious, but they're keeping us inside, they're breaking the supply chains now to cushion it, so when the aliens come out, The shock can only go so far.
luke rudkowski
I doubt they're that organized.
ian crossland
Have you seen that technology where Coca-Cola was beaming advertisements into the sky and
there were these giant like Coca-Cola advertisements and then the countries were like we're gonna
make it illegal because it's air light pollution.
What if they do that with an alien ship like War of the Worlds or Sunwells as a as a as
an entertainment thing but people really believe it's a real alien craft and go crazy.
luke rudkowski
Could be, because if you look at the latest US military technology, it is far older than what we know it to be.
So there are many military advancements, there are many technological advancements that are kept away from the general public.
So there could be a, you know, space beam or whatever kind of crazy weapons out there that we still don't know because it's still classified.
Just like many of the airplanes that, you know, we see in movies, but existed for a very long time for military use, but we never knew they even existed.
tim pool
What if I told you that all of this was already admitted to by previous United States presidents?
luke rudkowski
You're talking about Barack Obama?
tim pool
Barack Obama said, he said, the aliens won't let it happen.
You will reveal all of their secrets.
They exercise strict control over us.
Let me, let me, let me, let me reenact exactly what Obama said.
He was having a very, very serious and important conversation with one of our great American thought leaders, Jimmy Kimmel.
And he said, the aliens won't let it happen.
You will reveal all their secrets.
They have strict, they exercise strict control over us.
It was Obama, so he was like, you won't reveal the secrets.
I'm kidding.
It was a gag bit.
He did say it, but you take the quote out of context and people think it's real.
So I actually have, this is funny, this is a UFO website where they're like, Obama said the aliens won't let it happen.
They exercise strict control and he's laughing.
And then Jimmy Kimmel says, now there's going to be people who analyze everything you say and how you looked when you said it, because it was a joke.
luke rudkowski
That's true.
ian crossland
He thinks he's joking.
luke rudkowski
And Bill Clinton made a similar comment as well.
And again, some of these things are legitimately jokes, but there are some serious implications, just like with China.
China literally built the largest radio dish and telescope so they could try to communicate with aliens.
tim pool
You look up... Well, hold on.
Then if it's true the aliens are here, why would they build it?
luke rudkowski
Maybe they're not talking to the Chinese.
Maybe the Chinese know something that we don't know about, but they're spending a tremendous amount of money hunting down for aliens.
You're saying aliens are racist?
I don't know.
Maybe they don't like how the, you know, the Chinese are doing gene splicing right now to build super soldiers, which was allegedly happening from an article that just was released a couple days ago.
Who knows?
I have no idea.
No one really knows until we get more answers from the government that clearly is lying about it.
unidentified
I don't know, man.
tim pool
Did you listen to the 9am CNN tapes from Project Veritas?
No.
So, you heard about this, right, Ian?
Lydia?
ian crossland
No.
lydia smith
Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
Yeah, Project Veritas has recorded the 9am phone calls from CNN.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
This this is relevant trust me what you learn is that there is no grand conspiracy just bumbling morons
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Yep, you get the president of CNN Jeff Zucker being like so today
I think man, you know Tucker Carlson's a racist and maybe that's we should talk about that and they're like I really
agree You know, he's very racist and you'd think hearing this
call. It's Jessica being like, all right, everyone. Listen today. We're gonna frame Tucker Carlson
We're gonna accuse him of... No, he literally believes it.
It's just a bunch of morons talking about their dumb moron stuff.
luke rudkowski
Well, they're supporting their special interests at the end of the day, and they make sure that they never bite the hand that feeds them.
Now, it might not be such a sophisticated, complex thing like we see in major think tanks that usually provide all the talking points, but we do see it as a pretty effective regurgitating machine that just does what it's told.
And maybe there's no orders top-down, but maybe they just have the individuals that believe in what they believe in that are on the same page.
tim pool
You know, you want to know why, I'll be honest with you, I don't think aliens come here?
Is that, maybe they do, but it's like, I was watching this video about life, and it was really, really interesting perspective.
They said, think about the evolutionary distance between a human being and an ant.
It's like a billion years or something like that.
But still infinitely closer in, you know, like how we function and thrive and the fuels we use and the air and things like that than an alien race on a planet that was, say, all water or, you know, a different, you know, chemical composition.
But more importantly, They said, think about the difference between a human and a dog.
Humans and dogs actually communicate very well for an interspecies relationship.
Dogs can learn words in English, especially really smart ones like border collies, but you can never explain to a dog what a highway is.
You can't explain to a dog what an international trade route is.
You can explain to the dog, loud noise, scary, car, hurt.
Very simple things.
Now think about an advanced species that is able to travel, you know, beyond the speed of light or interdimensionally or whatever.
Why would they try and communicate with something infinitely separated from us?
ian crossland
That's why you gotta take mushrooms.
My buddy's dog accidentally got into a bag of his mushrooms.
tim pool
It started talking?
ian crossland
It got really smart.
It realized it was a dog and it would like really get angry at us when we didn't treat it.
unidentified
You don't know what it knew!
luke rudkowski
Okay, let's stop talking about mushroom dogs here, but I disagree with you and I do believe that there are aliens.
Why?
Especially from the video footage we saw that was released of that unidentified flying object that was defying the laws of physics, defying the laws of science.
But that could be a military?
Maybe, that's also a possibility out there.
tim pool
We didn't know about nuclear bombs?
We didn't know about nuclear bombs?
luke rudkowski
But when it comes to this Israeli professor, when it comes to Paul Heller, sitting down with them, looking them in the eyes, these are old individuals who have nothing to lose, who just I think we're at the highest elements of government that are now on their deathbed trying to get as much information out there to inform the general public.
tim pool
I agree.
What I'm saying is when you're at that age, they got nothing over you.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
tim pool
What are they going to threaten you with?
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
So I think that adds an extra layer of credibility to some of their allegations.
This Israeli professor said this, and I think I'm just going to quote him directly because I think this is important.
He said, quote, if I had come up with what I'm saying today five years ago, I would have been hospitalized.
Whenever I've gone with this in academia, they said the man has lost his mind.
Today, they're already talking differently.
I have nothing to lose.
I received my degrees and awards.
I am respected in universities abroad.
Let me tell you something very, very simple, right?
How many planets exist that have the identical chemical composition to Earth?
A lot.
about but we need more information we need more accountability what the hell
is the government hiding from us because they have a lot that we don't know.
tim pool
weapons weapons let me let me let me let me tell you something very very simple
right how many planets exist that have the identical chemical composition to
earth a lot identical oh identical very few Very few.
Similar.
luke rudkowski
That we know about in the vast universe?
tim pool
Right, that we know about.
And based on calculations, I think it's fair to say a lot, but what is a lot relative to the, you know, forty-trench-a-gillion?
ian crossland
Ten thousand or something?
tim pool
Maybe, right?
Now think about this.
Would life, so there's two ideas here.
Alien life could look like who knows what.
It could be a gigantic pulsating mass with like a thousand little tentacle arms.
It wouldn't necessarily look like a human or have arms or legs.
Think about a dolphin, right?
Really smart.
No hands.
And underwater, they can't create fire to manipulate elements to create any kind, to break things down and create circuits and build.
Dolphin's never gonna build a rocket ship.
It's not possible.
So you have to think about There's actually an argument for why aliens would probably, if they did exist, like our planet.
The chemical composition allows us to manipulate elements to create computers and rockets and things like that, and other kind of technology that you can't do in a water or atmosphere that maybe would ignite instantly.
So that means there may be a bunch of aliens, really smart ones, on a bunch of other planets that can't do anything, can never leave, or maybe their technology is just, they can only get to a certain level.
But then if you look at where we're at, It's possible, because we have rocketry, that there will be another alien species that came from very similar conditions where they had the right amount of oxygen in the atmosphere so they could create fire, allowing them to separate elements out and then do electrolysis and things like that.
However, what if...
We're actually the aliens trapped in the oxygen atmosphere.
And the other super advanced aliens live in this crazy planet where they can better access and manipulate all the different elements.
And they look at us like dolphins who are trapped forever and never leave.
ian crossland
You hear of panspermia?
That the universe is seeded basically by life forms?
tim pool
That's the Star Trek lore.
ian crossland
And that, like, fungal spores, which can exist in deep space and survive, were sent throughout the universe for whatever reason and landed in our oceans and then evolved over time, started to eat other fungus and became animal.
And that's kind of... Instead of evolutions, we're actually adaptations of that life form for this environment.
tim pool
It's like Prometheus.
luke rudkowski
So you're saying the Earth is not flat?
ian crossland
Yes.
That's basically where I was going.
tim pool
That's the gist of it.
It's a concave bowl, right?
Is that the actual theory?
luke rudkowski
With a turtle on it?
tim pool
No, no, no.
When people say the Earth is flat, it's actually got a ridge around it of ice.
So it's technically a bowl.
It's a bowl.
And so it collects the little space dust and the little fungus comes and rains down.
You know what I love about flat Earth?
Do you know how they think gravity works?
Can you tell me that one more time?
You got a stink bug on your mic.
They think they think that the flat earth is exponentially speeding
up, moving upward, sucking us down.
And that mathematically, the speed will never stop.
ian crossland
You know, tell me that one more time.
I was looking at the bug.
tim pool
They believe that the earth is exponentially moving faster and
upward direction.
Oh, that's possible.
Pinning us down.
Yeah.
ian crossland
We could also be falling.
The entire universe that we perceive could be falling at the same speed and we wouldn't know because it's all relative.
tim pool
Maybe that's a better way to put it.
We're upside down falling and we're standing on it just like... Anyway.
ian crossland
So I think what's happened is Octopi, humans, you know, our brainstem creature that is inside this saltwater sack is like an alien form.
tim pool
Well, the brainstem is saltwater.
ian crossland
So I think that we're all kind of alien life forms that were seeded to Earth, but these craft that are flying around are like Tesla lightweight aluminum craft that the government co-opted from his laboratory and is secretly lying to us and telling us that it's aliens that throw us off the trail.
tim pool
But I could make up a million and one things, you know what I mean?
luke rudkowski
We could keep going all night here.
unidentified
Right, right, right, right.
tim pool
So let's do this.
Let's do this.
Let me tell you what I think's really going on.
There's a lot of people watching right now.
I know.
You're staring into that camera.
I'm sorry, I'm staring at the camera.
You're looking at your computer screen, and you see but a humble Tim Poole looking you in the eyes, and you're saying, please, Tim, I want aliens to be real.
Please, just tell me they're real, and I'll say, no!
Sorry.
Sorry to burst your bubble, Luke!
luke rudkowski
I'll say yes.
tim pool
Aliens are not real.
Military technology.
luke rudkowski
Could be.
tim pool
Military, hold on.
Military technology.
Because I'm gonna blow your minds.
We got another story here.
Check this out.
Havana syndrome, likely caused by pulsed microwave energy, government study finds.
Exclusive report on neurological symptoms of U.S.
diplomats in China, Cuba, does not address whether directed energy was delivered intentionally by a weapon.
But, it's called Havana Syndrome, people were getting crazy brain debilitating effects, they were hearing a weird humming sound, and it was likely a newly developed weapon that we don't know about.
luke rudkowski
And it could have been rolled out by the Chinese or the Russians, which have pretty good ties with Cuba.
Now the Cubans are saying that this was just a generator.
Obviously the other diplomats are saying it's something else, but we do know microwave weapons have existed for a very long time.
It was deployed in Iraq during the second Gulf War.
tim pool
What's the name of it?
luke rudkowski
I forgot the exact name of it.
tim pool
We might have to look that up.
The weapon they used in Iraq makes you feel like you're on fire.
luke rudkowski
It burns your body from the inside.
And a similar weapon is reported to be used in the contested territory between China and India.
Right now, Chinese and Indian troops have literally killed themselves in a dispute over a slot of land which both of the countries are recognizing as theirs.
They have put their troops on the border, and one of the conditions that they had, they actually made a treaty, is that the soldiers that would be on the border wouldn't be armed with rifles or guns or any actual deadly weapons like machine guns, but the Chinese allegedly, according to the Indians, rolled out a microwave weapon and started microwaving a bunch of Indian troops, which forced them to leave, and now the Chinese took their territory in this contested area.
tim pool
It is called, it is Raytheon's Active Denial System, a non-lethal directed energy weapon developed by the U.S.
military designed for area denial, perimeter security, and crowd control.
Informally, the weapon is also called the Heat Ray, since it works by heating the surface of targets, such as the skin of targeted human beings.
Raytheon had marketed a reduced-ranged version of this tech.
The ADS was deployed in 2010 with the U.S.
military in the Afghanistan war, but was withdrawn without seeing combat.
On August 20th, 2010, the L.A.
Sheriff's Department announced its intent to use the tech to control incarcerated people in the Pitchess Detention Center in L.A., stating the intent to use it in an operational evaluation of situations such as breaking up prisoner fights.
As of 2014, the ADS was only a vehicle-mounted weapon.
Though U.S.
Marines and police were both working on portable versions.
ADS was developed under the sponsorship of the D.O.D.
Non-Lethal Weapons Program with the Air Force Research Laboratory as the lead agency.
There are reports that Russia and China are developing their own versions of the active denial system.
Let's talk about a kind of weapon that doesn't heat your skin but goes into your brain and causes permanent vision damage.
It causes, what is it called, vertigo.
You lose your balance, you feel crazy, and just general malaise.
Check this out.
NBC News reports.
The mysterious neurological symptoms experienced by American diplomats in China and Cuba are consistent with the effects of directed microwave energy, according to a long-awaited report by the National Academies of Sciences that cites medical evidence to support the long-held conviction of American intelligence officials.
The report, obtained Friday by NBC News, does not conclude that directed energy was delivered intentionally by a weapon, as some U.S.
officials have long believed, but it raises that disturbing possibility.
unidentified
5G.
tim pool
I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
unidentified
6G?
6G.
tim pool
Have you guys seen that show on Amazon?
unidentified
Truth Seekers?
tim pool
Truth Seekers.
unidentified
Yes, 6G.
tim pool
So, it's like, this guy works for a phone company, he's installing 5G, and then I'm gonna, I don't want to spoil the show, I'm gonna spoil it a little bit.
Give me a little tease.
But eventually, like, they're working on it, and then the guy who runs the cell phone company goes, we have to deploy, what does he call it, 8, was it 8G?
unidentified
8G, yeah.
tim pool
And they're like, what do you mean 8, we're on 5, and he goes, we've got it all ready, we're just holding onto it.
And that's funny too, in terms of conspiracies, because I'd be willing to believe... I remember when 4G tech was coming out, cell phone companies were holding back because they were like, people are still paying for 3G, so we're gonna do it real slow to make as much money as possible before rolling out the better tech.
I digress.
We now have news reports.
You know what's crazy about the Havana Syndrome thing?
Is that when it was first reported, it was people in Cuba.
unidentified
U.S.
tim pool
diplomats saying they were getting headaches.
They were becoming light-sensitive.
They couldn't look at light.
They had to wear glasses, special glasses.
They were feeling fatigued.
They were getting, you know, dizzy.
And everybody said, oh, it's probably just hysteria.
That's what we heard from so many reporters, many national security reporters.
They said, this is not real.
It's a placebo effect mass hysteria from people who report something and then someone else gets scared and then thinks they're experiencing and then everyone just starts to claim they have these symptoms.
Now it's real.
Now we have a report saying, no, it's real.
Now we don't know who's doing it.
But when we talk about aliens and stuff like that, I think it is infinitely, well, maybe I shouldn't say infinitely, but astronomical odds more likely, you know, or less likely, it's astronomical that it's aliens.
It's extremely, extremely likely that once again, as we've already seen throughout generations and generations and hundreds and thousands of years, government making new weapons and keeping them a secret.
ian crossland
Or corporations.
tim pool
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
luke rudkowski
Well, both could be true.
And now corporations and the military industrial complex are making new weapons, new technologies, and just new ideas and concepts that our mind hasn't even conceived the possibility of even becoming a reality.
So I think, I mean, especially if you look at the history of the US military and the rollout of their devices, of their weapons, of their ships, of their aircraft, It's always beyond the scope of what humans could imagine.
The Germans had a very impressive, you know, space program and also... The Bell.
Yes.
Is that real?
tim pool
We were playing... Okay, so we were playing this game called Conspiracy Theory.
Was it?
Is it called Conspiracy Theory?
ian crossland
The game was called Conspiracy.
tim pool
I could be wrong.
ian crossland
I don't know if that's true.
tim pool
I'm not—okay.
That's so weird.
Definitely not.
because some of their questions were wrong and I was right and I didn't get the points for it anyway, but
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Yeah, no, okay. They said that the hand sign associated with Illuminati was the okay hand sign. So weird. That's
not true It's a devil horns. Anyway, anyway
They mentioned one of the questions was the the Nazis had something called the bell I guess what was that?
It was like anti-grav or something?
luke rudkowski
They were working, the Nazis were working on some high advanced level stuff.
They were working on the nuclear weapon, they were working on, you know, they also
made a lot of advancements when it came to airplanes and propulsion that the
world has never seen before. And when we look at something...
tim pool
Rocketry!
luke rudkowski
Yeah, when we look at something like the Manhattan Project, we have to
understand that there was a lot of Nazis also a part of that program. With a
project paperclip where the United States military literally ran through
Germany as much as they could and got as many people in the German
scientific community and brought them back to the United States.
ian crossland
Before the war was over.
unidentified
No, no, no.
luke rudkowski
No, it was after.
After the war.
lydia smith
Yeah, they got asylum.
luke rudkowski
But this program, yeah, they got asylum and they never faced any retribution, any crimes for the horrible things that they did.
tim pool
Who was the guy who made rockets?
ian crossland
There's a lot of... Yeah, there's the P-2 rocket.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah, like the main guy had that famous quote where he said it performed perfectly, just landed on the wrong planet.
Because he was actually dreaming of going to the stars or whatever.
ian crossland
I'm gonna look it up.
tim pool
Check it out.
The Manhattan Project.
Do you know what the U.S.
invented?
The Manhattan Project?
luke rudkowski
It's a nuclear weapon.
tim pool
What was the first one?
luke rudkowski
What kind of bomb was it?
tim pool
It was the atomic bomb, but it was a specific kind of atomic bomb.
It was called the gravity bomb.
You know what that means?
You drop it.
What happened after the United States went to Germany and snatched up all them rocket scientists?
They started putting the warheads on top of rockets, and then we got the intercontinental ballistic missile.
ian crossland
Werner von Braun.
tim pool
Yes.
Werner von Braun.
ian crossland
Invented the V2 rocket, or was credited with it.
tim pool
So, man, I tell you, we ended up with some crazy stuff.
When we took the Nazi scientists, they came to the United States, And then we took our understanding of all these crazy weapons.
You know what the Nazis were building?
Like, massive artillery, right?
To fire, like, ridiculously huge shells.
They had a very, like, different way of thinking about weapons.
Putting, you know, rocketry and stuff like that.
For us, it was like, let's create a massive explosion and just wipe everything out.
Then we go over there after that and we're like, hey, those things you built that went really far, can we put our thing on it so that it blows up and goes really far at the same time?
Do you know what a MIRV is?
A multiple independently targeting re-entry vehicle.
It's an intercontinental ballistic missile that can carry 8 to 12 warheads.
It is about, my understanding is about 1,000 times more powerful than the bombs dropped on Japan in World War II.
It flies up into the stratosphere, breaks open, and drops 8 to 12 warheads.
That is the insanity.
People don't realize how far we went with nuclear weapons.
We went nuts.
Our bomba, that thing, it was insane.
luke rudkowski
The biggest bomb ever made.
And how many times we tested them and how many times we actually launched nuclear weapons during testing facilities.
I mean, we're talking about in the thousands.
Thousands of times the United States government released nuclear bombs and blew them up.
Some of the worst scientists that committed the most awful human experiments in Nazi Germany were brought back to the United States as part of this project.
And when it comes to the nuclear weapon, there's many political scholars that believe the only reason the United States dropped the nuclear weapon was to show a sign of strength against Russia, the USSR at the time.
to show them that they mean business because at the time the USSR was also grabbing as many scientists as they could and rushing towards Berlin to make sure that they could get as much control of that area as they could.
And of course when we look at history, when we look at the history of the heart attack gun, something that's not widely talked about, but the CIA, the Central Intelligence Agency, had a gun all the way back in the 70s that was re... That's not cool!
Lydia, that's not cool at all.
Knowing that the CIA could literally shoot you in the dark and force you to have a heart attack or force you to get very serious cancer.
And this was all the way back in the 70s that was revealed through major important Senate commission hearings that revealed a lot of this information and the astronomical power that the intelligence agencies have in our society.
tim pool
They used It's the heart attack gun.
We have a story.
This is from WeAreTheMighty.com.
News guard certified.
I'm doing that because we are in this conspiracy land.
Dark waters.
Spurred by the publication of Seymour Hersh's article in the New York Times in December 1974, the U.S.
Congress decided to look into just what its internal and external intelligence agencies were doing in the name of the American people.
They found, among other things, a gun that caused heart attacks, a weapon that had been used against the U.S.
political enemies and beyond.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, and that was 50 years ago.
So now imagine what they have right now.
That's why I'm saying that they don't have microwave electronic weapons.
You're fooling yourself.
And you know, you're saying the thing about the aliens, but both could be true.
The U.S.
could be building up their military might and their military technology along with the Chinese and the Russians and all of them.
And aliens could also exist at the same time.
There could be some training programs.
I'm just saying they're not exclusive to each other.
tim pool
That's all I'm saying.
One of the stories I was reading about So you saw these stories where they're like UFO videos got released, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The UFOs are captured by military jets.
Right?
So once they get released, it's like Air Force pilots are flying.
The funniest thing about some of these stories, I was reading one, and it was like, we were about a hundred miles away from the advanced, you know, intelligence and technology research center for the U.S.
Navy.
And then we saw these strange vehicles.
And I'm like, so weird.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Unrelated.
Tell me more about where you were and why you were there.
luke rudkowski
Could be.
Again, anything's possible.
We don't know.
We need more information from the government.
I think that's true, and I think everyone could agree about that.
But when it comes to gain-of-function research, when it comes to heart attack guns, when it comes to microwave weapons, can we admit that this is getting a little bit out of hand?
That this is a little bit crazy?
Especially with the latest... We need the aliens!
Especially with the latest allegations from the United States accusing China of literally gene-splicing and manipulating human beings to be super soldiers.
ian crossland
It's completely out of hand.
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
I mean, what the what?
luke rudkowski
Well, this is an accusation from an anonymous US Intel source, which should be questioned to the highest extent.
But it wouldn't surprise me if China or even the United States at this point was doing something to create super soldiers probably incorporate the corporate power is really getting out of this.
tim pool
Is nuts.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Check this story out.
China conducting biological tests to create super soldiers, US spy chief says.
lydia smith
That's recent.
tim pool
Intelligence director John Ratcliffe claims human testing aims to develop super soldiers with biologically enhanced capabilities.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, two days ago the article came from an anonymous source.
Now I guess he's coming forward with it.
The Guardian.
tim pool
The Guardian.
This is... You want to play... Look, look, look.
I keep saying News Guard certified.
unidentified
I say it because we're talking about aliens and space weapons.
tim pool
And I know someone from Media Matters is sitting there going like, ooh, they're writing it all down.
Uh-uh.
unidentified
Uh-uh.
tim pool
It's the Guardian.
The Guardian says that China's... John Ratcliffe is saying this.
Check this out.
Writing in the Wall Street Journal, Ratcliffe said, The intelligence is clear. Beijing intends to dominate the
U.S. and the rest of the planet economically, militarily, and technologically. Many of
China's major public initiatives and prominent companies offer only a layer of camouflage to the
activities of the Chinese Communist Party. Ratcliffe said China had gone to
extraordinary lengths to achieve its goal.
Quote, U.S.
intelligence shows that China has even conducted human testing on members of the People's Liberation Army in hope of developing soldiers with biologically enhanced capabilities.
There are no ethical boundaries to Beijing's pursuit of power.
Remember, just a year ago, we learned that a rogue scientist was genetically altering babies, and they arrested him.
unidentified
Yes, I remember.
lydia smith
And he disappeared.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, check this out.
luke rudkowski
He's probably working for the US government.
tim pool
About a year ago.
No, no, no, I got a different thought.
Chinese scientists who edited babies' genes jailed for three years.
Two theories.
One, they saw what he was doing, and they said, I want your research.
We want to weaponize it.
Two, he was a scientist who was familiar with their research, and went rogue and was using it, and they were like, stop!
Don't let people find out what you're doing.
You're drawing too much attention to what we're doing with this program.
luke rudkowski
If this doesn't show you that China is preparing for war, I don't know what other sign you need to see.
It's right there on the wall.
I mean, when you look at all the money that they're spending literally trying to communicate with aliens, building up their entire naval fleet, building up military man-made islands, microwaving soldiers on the border of India, And stealing U.S.
military technology that they've been getting from Israel.
That's another thing that if I don't know if you want to look up Lydia, but Israel many times has given out intelligence secrets from the United States and sold it to China.
There was even an Israeli defense minister that had to resign in a major controversy because China was able to get their hands on advanced U.S.
unidentified
technology.
tim pool
Listen, we have the story about India and China, the microwave weapons.
So India is disputing the claim that China routed their troops with microwave blaster.
I don't know how to believe, but I kind of believe the microcosm.
luke rudkowski
The initial reports were that Indians felt like they were being lit up in fire from the inside, and then they had to run away because the pain was excruciating.
That was the original reports that came from that area.
tim pool
Let's talk about what's going on with these super soldiers.
Like, what exactly are they doing?
Because listen, listen.
We got all this sci-fi, we got all these movies.
You got things like, uh, have you watched The Boys?
luke rudkowski
No.
tim pool
Have you seen The Boys?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Awesome show.
And it's basically, spoiler alert for those that haven't seen the second season.
Look, it's been out for a while now, so, you know, no one to blame but yourself if you haven't watched it.
unidentified
Homelander.
tim pool
Nazi scientists.
So, in this show, people can fly and they can shoot laser beams and they heal and they're invulnerable.
people superpowers but mostly only works in babies. It's most stable in babies and
they're trying to figure out how to get it into people and they've kind of
figured it out. So in this show people can fly and they can shoot laser beams
and they heal and they're invulnerable. Clearly gene editing can't do that. But
what if they made someone have the maximum jump height?
ian crossland
You've heard of acoustic levitation?
luke rudkowski
Well, we have to understand, right?
tim pool
A human's not going to... I don't know.
ian crossland
If you can vibrate liquid and make it levitate, then why can't a human?
luke rudkowski
If parents have enough money, they could take the sperm from the guy, the egg from the mom, and they could go to a laboratory that literally picks out the best combination where you could select the height.
unidentified
We're already doing it.
luke rudkowski
The genetic disposition of your of your of your child so it's already happening so to think that this is not happening on a military level where they're taking the best elite special forces green beret guys and taking their DNA and duplicating it to match with the best of the best when it comes to fighting and maining and killing other people you'd be killing you'd be kidding yourself there's been many movies about this that were fictional Where the guy finally gets some consciousness, this super soldier that's created, finally starts fighting back against the empire and takes them down because they made him too strong.
And we could hope for that, but life is not a movie.
And this is absolutely terrifying that there's super soldiers out there that have been genetically put together to be murderers, to be assassins.
tim pool
You want to know why that's a very serious problem?
luke rudkowski
Yeah, obviously.
tim pool
Okay.
First of all, what they're going to be doing is likely programming individuals.
This is the Guardian.
John Ratcliffe.
Like, this is being reported, okay?
They can't just take a random person who's loyal to the People's Liberation Army and say, we're gonna, you know, inject you with this serum, it's gonna change your DNA or something.
They're gene-editing babies.
And probably people to a certain degree, like adults, but babies is the easiest way to do it.
They'll grow into it.
They're probably then raising these kids in special conditions and training them to be super soldiers.
Now, Here's the problem with genetic engineering.
If that escapes into the human gene pool and you don't know what those genes will do in the long run, you could taint the entire human gene pool with some failing genome.
And then in 50 to a hundred years, it's this, this genes become widespread in most populations and then everyone gets a debilitating disease and dies.
ian crossland
Is this coronavirus?
tim pool
Are you sure?
I mean, were they working on a gene editing thing in a lab using a virus?
ian crossland
Are you sure?
I mean, were they working on a gene editing thing in a lab using a virus?
unidentified
Are you sure?
ian crossland
I mean, were they working on a gene editing thing in a lab using a virus?
unidentified
Are you sure?
tim pool
I mean, were they working on a gene editing thing in a lab using a virus?
Are you sure?
I mean, were they working on a gene editing thing in a lab using a virus?
unidentified
Are you sure?
ian crossland
I mean, were they working on a gene editing thing in a lab using a virus?
tim pool
Are you sure?
I mean, were they working on a gene editing thing in a lab using a virus?
Are you sure?
I mean, were they working on a gene editing thing in a lab using a virus?
Are you sure?
I mean, were they working on a gene editing thing in a lab using a virus?
luke rudkowski
Are you sure?
ian crossland
I mean, were they working on a gene editing thing in a lab using a virus?
Are you sure?
tim pool
Yes, E. coli, not coronaviruses.
You don't know that.
Yes, they do gene editing by using E. coli to manipulate the genetic structure or something like that.
I don't know.
ian crossland
E. coli is a bacteria.
luke rudkowski
But you brought up a very good point because, again, people are playing They're essentially coming up with these powers that they're going to be using for the quote greater good because if you're in China the greater good is to create super soldiers to fight the bad Americans and the Americans are being told the same thing.
We need to create probably super soldiers.
I wouldn't doubt that this project is being done on some kind of offshoot contractor that doesn't face any liability or accountability like a government agency and when we look at The Defense Department, they are becoming more and more dependent on doing a lot of their experiments and a lot of their very borderline unethical activities through private companies and third parties that again, you can't get any records of what they're actually doing.
Here's what I'm saying.
tim pool
We've seen gene editing in many different crops.
And then there's been accusations for a long time that these companies will drive up to a farm and chuck seeds into the field so that the gene mixes with all of their crops, and then they can copyright it, or they have... Monsanto.
Right, Monsanto has intellectual property ownership over the genome.
Then they sow the seeds everywhere so that every plant in these farms, you know, interbreeds with them, and then they come back later, take a sample, and say, aha, you're using our proprietary technology, you owe us money.
This eventually destroys the existence of the original crop.
So I was reading something, I don't know, you have to, those listening, fetch me on this one.
I was reading there used to be like, you know, hundreds of different kinds of apples, and now there's only like a small handful of varieties.
There used to be a bunch of different kinds of potatoes, and now we only have a small, you know, amount of varieties.
Because we consume and deplete one, and then favor another and replace it.
So like, you'll go and you'll see like a certain potato, you'll eat it and say, well this one's better, and you'll plant that one instead.
If they're editing human beings, and then let's say in 20 years they abandon the program, and now these edited human beings are just wandering around and like, I don't know, and then start having families and kids, how long until those edited genes exist across the world?
ian crossland
Especially if they're like enticing humans, like faster, more attractive, then their genes are going to spread faster naturally.
tim pool
But what if they're also bred to be more vicious and not to have that empathetic response because they're supposed to be killing machines?
What if the goal is to create a super soldier, which means they can't hesitate when killing for any reason?
And then you get these people start having kids and also you got just generations of sociopaths.
ian crossland
I think it's gonna happen.
I mean, I just think it's like the Fallout future of you got the mutants and you have the cyborgs and like some people have like genetic legs that are genetically altered to run faster.
Some people have cybernetic implants that let them run faster.
Some people have genetic eye, their eyes are genetically so that they can see ten times further.
Some people have cybernetic, you know, contact lenses so they can see ten times further.
luke rudkowski
And while trillions of dollars is being spent on this madness, there's still people in Flint who can't get clean drinking water.
I mean, are you kidding me?
And I think, you know, this is important to talk about and to kind of theorize because this is a reality and there is a big possibility that these genetically modified super soldiers already exist.
Genetic modification already happens to our food.
And there's this famous quote by Albert Einstein that said, World War 4 would be fought with sticks and stones.
And to me, Sorry, World War V would be fought with sticks and stones.
I don't know what World War IV would be fought with.
tim pool
Here's the quote.
Let me read the quote.
Let me read the quote.
It's a good quote.
I do not know with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought
with sticks and stones.
ian crossland
Yes.
luke rudkowski
I love that guy.
And I think that's absolutely true with the scale of military advancement and technology
that we have come to that already is very difficult for human beings to understand and
I mean, human beings already are dealing with a massive psychological negative effect because of the internet.
There's no denying the psychological downtroddenness of humanity mainly because of these little dopamine devices that have been gamified by special interests that literally run our entire lives now.
tim pool
I can tell you.
That World War 4 will not be fought with sticks and stones.
I can tell you that we are in it right now and it is fifth generational warfare.
It is information and propaganda, control of opinions.
So this is something I've been saying for quite some time and I didn't make it up.
There's actually several research papers published on the matter.
What is the goal of war?
And we've talked about this, right?
You want to assert control over a group of people, gain access to resources, or just, you know, have them work on your behalf for some reason.
Or maybe even prevent a potential conflict.
In the past, the easiest way to get it done was, when all else fails, you point a gun at them and say, do it or else.
And you suppress them.
luke rudkowski
You get rid of the ruling class, you get rid of the officers, the professors, any professionals in the society, they're just gone.
tim pool
We are in the information age.
coming with guns a-blazing, coming with tanks.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, just like my people saw in World War II with Germany and of course the USSR.
They took over, took anyone influential, and they just mandated everything to be done their way.
tim pool
We are in the information age.
There's no reason to do any of that when you can convince people to bow for you, to give
up, to destroy their own economies, and look at what's going on.
look at what's happening in the U.S. right now.
If I had to make a bet, if someone came to me and said, would you be willing to place
a substantial wager on the U.S. is under attack through propaganda and influence campaign
so the country destroys itself, I would say, yes, I believe.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's weird to think of it as an attack.
That's I think the dissonance that people are facing, you know, because the scary aspect
luke rudkowski
of this is when you see the amount of control that China has on Hollywood.
tim pool
Yep.
luke rudkowski
That should absolutely terrify you when you see.
I think there was even a recent movie that was just totally banned in China because of one little small phrase.
And then that movie is going to lose out on a ton of revenue that a whole bunch of Hollywood executives that literally are compared to Satanists.
That's what Hollywood executives are compared to because they would sell their soul.
Or just shaking at the boots because of how much money and how much profit they could be getting and when you look at that Just one small example of our everyday lives.
It should terrify you.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, we had the NBA We had the famous, you know basketball players coming out and saying leave China alone.
We had the Hearthstone Game players at free Hong Kong.
We have in this country a large group of powerful and influential people who have already sworn Capitalistic allegiance to the Chinese Communist Party.
No joke, no exaggeration.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, well, this is why also the Central Intelligence Agency from its inception always swooned Hollywood producers, actors, to be a part of its official psychological programs and its official agency since, of course, The CIA also has a very big involvement in Hollywood and they know culture, movies, music, everything that we do when we don't try to think and we just try to enjoy ourselves is being used and weaponized in a way for a particular outcome that we don't even know about.
Whether it's subliminal messaging or just outright propaganda or disinformation or psychological warfare, we have to understand we're in the middle of it right now.
There's a major war happening.
There's a lot of lives being lost.
There's a lot of people killing themselves when they don't need to be killing themselves.
There's a lot of people driven into making mistakes with their lives because they see rich and famous people doing it.
And they're like, I could do that too!
I should take this Pill or this narcotic or I should be a degenerate this way as well.
The culture and how it's being usurped so people become their own worst enemies is something to really highlight and to look at because if you look at what's been coming out in the TV shows and the movies in the mainstream media, it's all against families.
It's all against breaking people apart, making sure you fight each other, making sure you hate each other on the micro difference that you could even find in a human being.
tim pool
So that's where we're at right now.
luke rudkowski
Yes.
tim pool
We have that story.
Well, I'll just pull up the article.
We had this story.
I covered this earlier in the morning.
Macomb County man says he was targeted with explosives due to his politics.
Two mortars, common weapon used by Antifa, was thrown into his house by someone.
He drove by, got out, chucked them into his house, exploded, get a big old Trump sign.
Now, we don't know if this is politically motivated, but it's an example of social media breeding this tribalistic hatred.
But here's what I don't understand then.
That's a very good question because it does essentially mean people are shooting themselves in the foot.
Why are they allowing it? Why are why would they allow this country to eviscerate itself?
luke rudkowski
That's a very good question because uh it it it does essentially mean people are shooting
themselves in the foot but when we look at the history of the CIA they have a long history of
doing a lot of immoral illegal things that haven't been done ethically but but here's my question are
tim pool
they doing I don't know they're doing for the country to strengthen the country or what now
luke rudkowski
There's a good analogy here to really kind of consider and to think about if
If you were a farm owner and you had a whole bunch of wild animals all over the place, would it be better for you to subjugate them, to control them, to lock them up in cages and to do what you want them to do?
Or would you want a farm to be free roaming and running around?
And I think there's an element of this that we do have to understand that there are individuals that do want to subjugate individuals to benefit off of them.
And I think That is true.
Now, the motives of the CIA, we don't know.
We just know their history, which is riddled in a lot of seedy, illegal, illicit activities.
Heart attack guns.
Who in their right mind creates a heart attack gun?
ian crossland
I think it's been around since from the beginning, like secretly killing the king, you know, poisoning them or doing it so that you don't have to be involved.
tim pool
It's the way things have always been.
luke rudkowski
When you make excuses for the greater good, you're essentially becoming a large Bad things happen.
for everyone, but you're convincing yourself that you're doing it for the righteous causes.
And when you have unlimited power that's unchecked, unlimited money that they just get blanket
sent to them no matter what, that drives a person insane.
And when we look at the CIA, when we look at presidents that try to curtail their power,
tim pool
what has happened to them?
ian crossland
Bad things happen.
That is it.
Kennedy notably spoke out against the CIA.
luke rudkowski
Well, Trump as well.
But Trump also kind of flip-flopped on that.
But there were times where he went at them pretty hard, pretty significantly.
tim pool
And then we had a whistleblower come out, don't say his name, and he worked with the CIA.
And it was ridiculous.
It was the pretext for impeachment.
And now we have... Have you seen what recently came out with Democracy Institute?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
They're pollsters.
They predicted Trump was going to win based on several metrics.
This guy came out recently on Life, Liberty, and Live In on Fox News and said, not only did Joe Biden... I shouldn't say not only, but I'll say this is my personal opinion.
He pointed out there are non-polling bellwether metrics that are never wrong.
Never wrong.
Like party registration and voter enthusiasm.
Never wrong.
Joe Biden not only beat every single bellwether metric that was against him, he won in almost every single bellwether area, region.
So you've got the three bellwether states, he lost all of them.
And you've got 19 bellwether townships, he lost 18.
So you hear about this kind of stuff, and Sam Harris, I did a segment about this earlier, Sam Harris was talking about, he tweeted a story from the New York Times, why do people believe the election was rigged?
What rational thinking person hears that Joe Biden, who didn't campaign, who was in his basement half the time, had no one show up to his rallies, Failed in every Bellwether metric.
So these are, again, registration numbers across the state, the amount of primary votes he got, the media attention he got, Google searches he got, mask sales, more silly, mask and cookie sales, but these do always show who wins, and 18 out of 19 Bellwether townships and the three Bellwether states.
That all happened.
Ignore all other accusations of fraud or whatever.
And then you come out and say that, a regular person's gonna be like, what?
But then he made another, a better point.
He said, Show someone the data from the night of the election that Trump had improved his vote count among the working class, the white working class, minorities, the black community, and they would easily conclude he was overperforming for an incumbent and was clearly the winner.
But after all of that, Joe Biden is the single greatest president in American history, who got more votes than Barack Obama, who had tens of thousands of people rallying for him, one of the most popular presidents in history, who holds a 95% plus approval rating among Democrats.
Then people say, you take that, and I'm not talking about fraud, then you take the down-ballot victories and the undervotes in the hundreds of thousands for Joe Biden, and then you ask people if they believe that Joe Biden won, and they're going to tell you no, I'm sorry.
ian crossland
When you say down ballot victors, that means a bunch of Republicans.
tim pool
The Republicans won in every state race. They won every state. They won massive gains in the House
and are just doing better and better as time goes on. They held the Senate, so it was tremendous.
Other pollsters have said that this looks like your typical incumbent victory.
The incumbent is on the ticket, people go to vote for him, and they vote down-ballot in favor of the party, so the party wins.
Joe Biden, the greatest president in American history.
Congratulations.
luke rudkowski
80 million votes.
And historically, the incumbent always usually gets in, except on very rare occasions.
tim pool
I am not saying any fraud at all.
ian crossland
You're just saying aliens.
tim pool
No, that's right.
Aliens!
No, listen, listen.
What I'm saying right now, I am not accusing anybody of fraud, okay?
You can talk about the evidence.
I'm just pointing out, Joe Biden did all of these things.
And that being true, these are all true things!
Joe Biden is the greatest president in American history, period.
End of question.
That's it, that's it.
That's the only conclusion.
luke rudkowski
Is that news guard approved?
tim pool
Yes, everything I pointed out is absolutely fact.
The bellwether districts, the metrics, these are facts.
ian crossland
I feel like I just ran, have you ever, you've probably experienced this where you work out so hard, you work out and you're just, you're done and when nothing matters, you're just so exhausted.
All that matters is that you can relax.
And that's how I feel about this election.
Like there's just, How can we do?
We can't prove anything.
I mean, maybe that's hyperbole.
Maybe we can prove things.
tim pool
When Trump won Iowa on election night, I remember when people were like, whoa, there it is.
Trump just won Iowa.
Meaningless.
unidentified
Yeah.
luke rudkowski
I mean, there's also talk about Trump literally trying to announce that he's going to be running for 2024.
tim pool
He said it.
There's a video of him saying it.
luke rudkowski
So, I mean, man, we're living in interesting times to say the least.
tim pool
It's ridiculous.
Look, if everything that went down went down, Trump's not going to win in 2024.
If he's not winning now and everyone else is, it's over.
And I tell you this, I think the Democrats are going to win in Georgia too.
luke rudkowski
If they do, that means they're going to be controlling all of the government except for the Supreme Court.
tim pool
You're wrong.
They're going to pack the courts immediately.
luke rudkowski
If they do pack the courts, yes.
tim pool
They're going to add four justices, make it a 7-6 majority.
ian crossland
But doesn't the Republicans have the Senate?
tim pool
No, if the Democrats win the two seats in Georgia, the tiebreaker is Kamala Harris.
And I don't... Look, the Georgia runoff race, Trump's not on the ticket.
They needed Trump to win.
It didn't work in 2018 without Trump.
luke rudkowski
The New York Times even reported... Wasn't there three recounts now in Georgia?
ian crossland
Sort of.
tim pool
Sort of.
Trump wants a hard signature audit where they compare.
There's also reports that the chain of custody was broken on absentee ballots for like 100,000 plus.
And they just don't care.
The judges don't care.
The judges are like, I am not going to be the person who says, I object to this.
So we would rather have these weird, like...
So, probably a better example would be the 20,000 names, the database from the Voter Integrity Project of people who didn't live in Georgia, lived in other states and voted twice.
The judges in these cases are like, I don't want to hear it, I don't want to hear it, I'm not getting involved.
ian crossland
That's not a good judge.
tim pool
We don't have the judges who will do anything about it.
I'm not saying widespread fraud did anything other than, you know, I'm not saying it caused any change in the election.
I'm just saying Joe Biden is the greatest president in the history of the United States.
ian crossland
What do you mean he got the most votes?
tim pool
No, no, the greatest.
ian crossland
He hasn't, he's not even president yet.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, hold on.
A man who doesn't need to campaign to get 80 million votes?
lydia smith
Truly amazing.
ian crossland
Talk about magnetic.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
Very charismatic, very prolific speaker as well.
ian crossland
Everyone loves him.
tim pool
You can point out that people hate Trump.
Come on, man!
luke rudkowski
So do you think it's still going to go to the Supreme Court?
tim pool
It is.
So I don't know what the latest news is because we've been preparing for this show, but tomorrow is the safe harbor deadline for the Electoral College.
And there are active lawsuits in several states.
So I don't know if Congress or state legislatures might try and say the results were contested.
The safe harbor deadline passed.
We did not certify.
We did not resolve the disputes to certification.
The left is arguing that because they're already certified, we're done.
The electors are going.
But in Georgia, they're trying to call a special session, and the governor, who's a Republican, said, no, I won't do it.
In Pennsylvania, they tried doing it.
But in Pennsylvania, the Supreme Court has requested the response from state lawyers as to the constitutionality of mail-in voting by tomorrow morning.
Arizona, we just saw Kelly Ward file to the Supreme Court of Arizona, trying to decertify the results.
I'm not saying anything's going to happen, I'm just saying that's where we're at so far, and tomorrow is probably when we get a better picture of what's going to happen.
But, you know, just across the board, every step of the way, Trump has been, you know, kind of losing out.
He's had some major political victories, but he's had major, like, legislative failures.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
Losses, I should say.
luke rudkowski
Well, a lot of people are describing this as the last stand, that if There's something not overturned, or if the Supreme Court doesn't, you know, make a decision here, that if the Democrats get control of the Congress, of the Senate, of the White House, and then potentially also the Supreme Court, if they pack it, it's going to be total game over.
There's going to be a lot of open immigration that's going to turn a lot of blue cities more blue.
There's going to be a lot of more mail-in voting.
There's going to be a lot more changed laws that are going to make it absolutely impossible for another Republican to come in.
tim pool
You know how a siphon works?
luke rudkowski
Nope.
tim pool
You know how it works?
ian crossland
Where you suck on it and then it starts flowing?
tim pool
Yeah.
So basically you can take a body of water at a higher altitude, higher level, I didn't say altitude, and then you run a tube from there and down.
What happens is, once the water reaches a certain threshold above, and then goes lower in the tube, it pulls down, creating vacuum force, which pulls up.
The reason I bring that up is that we're on the cusp of that water in the siphon breaking the point by which the water will never stop flowing, and that is if the Democrats take control of everything.
Like you said, a bunch of open immigration policies, right?
Which will continually skew the country further and further to the left, unraveling it, and Republicans will only be able to argue in favor, but less in favor.
luke rudkowski
This is why the Democrats love open immigration.
One, it provides very cheap labor for the corporations that sometimes are compared to slave labor because you don't need to give anyone any benefits.
You don't need to give anyone a living wage when they're illegal.
And when they enter illegally, they of course usually predominantly vote blue.
They vote Democrats.
tim pool
Those Democrats offer them benefits and protection.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
ian crossland
Or they just pay them under the table.
I've seen that happen.
tim pool
The Democrats will offer protection.
So they'll say like, we won't, you know, in like sanctuary states like California, for instance.
But then what happens is the corporations in California, there was this running scheme they did in southern states where they would put ads out in Mexican city, like small town Mexican newspapers saying, we will pay you $1,000 a month to work in this processing plant.
The people would show up, and it's a very, very menial job, like, just take it off the rack, put it in the machine, the machine does the work.
Just at the end of the month, the company would call ICE.
ICE would show up, arrest them all, send them back.
luke rudkowski
There's a lot of evil corporations taking advantage of illegal migrants, and no one really wants to talk about it, because it goes against the agenda of, we want more immigration.
But when we look at the larger immigration policies of this country, they have extensively hurt so many people.
I remember Being in Tijuana during the border crisis when there was a rush on the border when they tried to run through the wall And I remember being in this kind of occupied field of individuals that traveled from Nicaragua from Honduras from El Salvador lied to people who were taken advantage of Every way up every different country that they went into there was a bunch of coyotes.
There's a bunch of cartel members that Took advantage of them in ways that I can't even describe here in this show because of you know, the YouTube will get mad.
Exactly, but talking to these individuals seeing their hope and like yes, I was promised a job.
I was promised work I was promised prosperity and then let's be honest here when a lot of them do come they're exploited for the full benefit of the multinational Corporations and then these soulless heartless individuals or keep promoting come on in come right in Low information.
tim pool
These are the Democrats.
I have a family member who is just like a die-hard blind neoliberal.
Doesn't know anything, doesn't read, but thinks he's super smart.
And it's the perfect example of these kind of people who are like, we want to protect these poor immigrants.
And it's like, you realize they're being exploited by massive multinational corporations who want cheap labor paid under the table with no benefits.
And they're like, you just, you're racist.
And I'm like... He's so hateful.
This is what they do.
The Democrats will tell you that voter ID is racist.
So Canada has a voter ID, don't they?
ian crossland
I hope so.
luke rudkowski
Many countries usually do.
ian crossland
I have an ID.
tim pool
Every other country on the planet is racist for forcing people to identify themselves as a cop.
luke rudkowski
There's a famous video, I think about 8 years ago, of...
Yes, going around a yuppie area in New York City.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
He goes to Berkeley.
luke rudkowski
OK, yes, yes, yes.
tim pool
And he asks the young Berkeley college students if voter ID is racist.
And they all say yes for a variety of reasons.
And then he goes to Harlem and he asks black people if it's racist.
And they're like, no, why?
And then my favorite bit from the bit is like the arguments.
My favorite part of the bit, one of the arguments from the left was they don't know how to get to the DMV.
And so he walks into this black dude and he's like, he's like, excuse me, sir, do you know where the DMV is?
And he goes, oh yeah, it's over on 25th Street.
Like the guy was giving him directions.
Of course he knows where the DMV is.
These people are so racist.
But the point is, when it comes to these policies that they're implementing, the Democrats don't actually, like the regular Democrat voters don't look into what the policies do.
It's just an emotional reaction of, we must protect these people.
And then it's funny because, I see all these arguments about pro-life versus pro-choice, and they accuse conservatives of not caring about babies after they're born, and I'm like, you clearly don't talk to any of these people because they run charities for these babies.
Like, they donate heavily to this.
You don't care about what happens to the migrants if they get here, and they're being run through these major corporations that pay them pennies on the dollar illegally, and don't give them benefits, and they don't have lawyers or access to fight back.
luke rudkowski
California is the perfect example of this because when you go to Skid Row and you see and you smell and you just are in this entire mess of so many homeless people, of so many downtrodden people that the government can't help.
and then you see the latte drinking flip-flop wearing yuppie saying come on in come everything's gonna be great everything's gonna be fun and then you see that the ramifications of that there's not enough you know let's be honest here there's not enough resources there are not enough things that could be done to help people and a lot of them are left on their own and when they're left on the alone though they're screwed and extorted and exploited by some of the worst elements of our society and that needs to be called out and that needs to be stopped Also, when you try and help someone that doesn't want to be helped, I don't know if you guys have ever done that, taking someone into your house, like a sibling or a friend or family.
If a country can't even take care of its own citizens, how are they going to take care of new citizens coming in?
ian crossland
That's a great point.
But how do you take care of someone that doesn't want to take care of themselves?
luke rudkowski
That's another important aspect that you brought up there, because a lot of people don't want the help.
They have a mental health crisis that this country's dealing with.
lydia smith
This is something Jordan Peterson talks about.
He says to be very careful about helping people.
who don't want to be helped and even people who do want to be helped because you never know if your help is actually going to be useful to them or if you're just going to make it worse.
ian crossland
And it's such a drain to help someone.
I don't know.
I mean, that is a selfish way of being.
We're all pretty selfish as animals.
We have to think of ourselves first.
And it is exhausting.
luke rudkowski
Well, sometimes you end up hurting someone more than actually helping them.
And that's, you know, another important aspect that you have to kind of consider and You know, the best thing you could do is, instead of giving someone fish, teach someone how to fish.
tim pool
And give them a fishing pole.
lydia smith
Yes, that too.
tim pool
That's the way I put it.
ian crossland
Or teach them how to build fishing poles.
tim pool
Because, well then you gotta give them the wood.
ian crossland
Teach them how to chop down trees?
tim pool
You gotta start from the beginning.
Here's how you take a rock, take some obsidian, smash it, now you got something sharp.
Think for yourself.
So, I always say, like, you can teach a man to fish, feed him for the rest of his life, but if they don't have a fishing pole, you can teach them how to fish with their bare hands, I guess.
So, that's the other thing that's missing, because the left says give them fish, the right says teach them to fish, and I say, I think the right's got a better position on this one of teaching people how to fish.
The left says it, too.
I don't want to be, you know, overly simplistic, but I think the appropriate response is, like, here's a fishing pole, buddy.
Here's how you use it.
You're on your own.
That's it.
Let's jump to the last segment before we go to Super Chats, because this is huge.
Ian, you're correct, good sir.
ian crossland
I thought so.
tim pool
Joe Rogan has removed 1.85 billion views from his YouTube channel.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
So, uh, so, uh, for those that are listening, Ian, he comes to, he comes to me earlier and he says like, yo, all of Joe Rogan's videos are gone.
And I said, surely you jest, good sir, Ian.
Joe said that he's going to keep all of his episodes on his channel archived forever.
And they're, they're gone.
ian crossland
Most of them.
So we looked into it and there's, I don't know how many, you know, 50 plus.
tim pool
1.854 billion.
So look, we have SocialBlade right here.
Check this out.
On December 2nd, 1.877 billion views were subtracted from his channel.
And then on December 3rd, 53 million.
So right, just the day after he went exclusive to Spotify.
The reason why this matters to a lot of people, and I'm not one for, you know, getting into like, I don't know, celebrity gossip or anything, this is a bit different.
And I do know Joe personally, I haven't asked him about this, but Joe is one of the most important political figures whether he wants to be or not.
There's a reason why the left constantly wants to cancel him, why they demand Spotify censor him.
And now, to see that all of these episodes are gone, and are exclusive to Spotify, so long as they still exist, I guess I'm happy, but remember, I don't, what, what, did, did they ever, did Joe restore all the episodes that went missing?
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
So, so, so here's the, here's the original story, right?
Joe goes to Spotify, transfers over the podcasts, and then a bunch of episodes didn't transfer over, and people noticed that these episodes were very interestingly from certain people.
ian crossland
Alex Jones.
tim pool
Gavin McInnes, I think.
People like that.
unidentified
Mikayla.
tim pool
Mikayla Peterson.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But my understanding was that it was an error of some sort.
But don't worry.
Every episode will be available forever on YouTube.
lydia smith
I see that.
tim pool
That's not the case anymore.
unidentified
Check it out.
tim pool
I'll pull up the YouTube.
When you go to his actual channel.
So I've sorted by oldest.
You can see the oldest.
He's got these videos from back in the day, seven years ago, but... It's just... I don't understand, you know, why these specific videos.
I guess these are all the biggest podcasts ever.
ian crossland
Yeah, like 4.4 million views and more and higher.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, I mean, this is a shame.
I mean, the conversations, the comments, the views, a lot of people utilize those, you know, in their lives, and they were very important for so many people.
And now to see them gone, it's a little disappointing to me.
ian crossland
I guess they're on Spotify, is my guess.
I wanted to point people to David Sinclair, Joe Rogan, The second one where Sinclair is like a life extension guy from Harvard.
He's awesome, David Sinclair.
So I did this show on Saturday with Seth from Venice Beach Dog Club, shout out Seth, and talked about David Sinclair.
Then I went to Rogan's channel right after that and that's when I found out it was gone!
luke rudkowski
There's a lot of people also saying that this is because Joe Rogan is allegedly having a hard time translating his YouTube audience into Spotify.
There's a couple articles talking about that.
There's one here by Sportskeeda.com that says It's titled, Joe Rogan fans are refusing to follow him to Spotify, and it's bad.
So, you know, they outline how a lot of people just aren't translating.
tim pool
So actually, I have a couple articles I've got from Dexerto.com, Joe Rogan fans outrage after podcast moves exclusively to Spotify.
I thought that was kind of silly, though, because we knew he was going to do it.
But now I see exactly why people are probably really angry.
Getting all the episodes pulled from the biggest podcast in the world.
ian crossland
It was just an incredible trove of information.
It's such a sad, sad loss.
And I imagine he's just private.
He's just private at all.
tim pool
Maybe, uh, they're, they're, they're gone from his channel.
The views have been removed, but that makes sense.
If people, so, so check this out.
We have a story from the New York post is from Rav Aurora.
Why the left is lashing out at Joe.
I'm sorry, this is the wrong one.
I need, I need to go to the fans one, right?
Why the fans are upset.
They say.
As of December 2nd, full episodes of the podcast are exclusively available on Spotify, and highlight clips will appear on YouTube.
In the comments section of the YouTube clip, fans released their frustration towards the exclusive move.
It's been a hell of a ride, guys.
See ya, one viewer said.
One fan said bye to the podcast in their comment.
This feels like a breakup, and I feel cheated for a richer guy by JRE.
Another disappointed viewer revealed that while they tried listening to the show on Spotify, they couldn't handle the 10 straight minutes of ads.
That's kind of silly, because if you've ever listened to the actual podcast on iTunes or whatever, he has ads running on it, so most people probably don't care.
They go on to say that the move over to Spotify certainly brought about some dissatisfaction, but that's the interesting point.
Maybe...
Because, that's what you mentioned, right?
Because he couldn't generate, he couldn't get enough people to translate over.
He takes the videos off of YouTube.
He wasn't going to do that originally, but maybe Spotify said, yo, we're not getting big viewership on Spotify.
luke rudkowski
Well, Spotify, again, invested a lot into Joe Rogan, and there was a lot of internal battles and fights that they had to clear up.
internally just to get this Joe Rogan train running.
tim pool
Yeah, the employees kept revolting.
luke rudkowski
Yes, which was pretty ridiculous to think an individual has the power to control what you could listen to or not to listen to.
It's so obnoxious.
It's so egotistical.
It's just utterly insane.
But they started moving the podcast and making them exclusive on December 1st.
So it's only been a few days since this has been happening.
tim pool
But the other episodes were supposed to stay as an archive forever.
luke rudkowski
Yes, but I'm saying through this transition there could be some kind of rearrangement saying we might not be getting the views we want.
One of the videos on Spotify had 1.8 million views which is actually not bad.
tim pool
You can see the viewership?
luke rudkowski
This is what Sportskeeda is reporting that his latest video has 1.8 million views.
So that's still pretty good.
tim pool
What's the process to sign up to Spotify?
unidentified
I'm not sure that I was gonna say that old dude.
ian crossland
No offense, dude.
luke rudkowski
But white haired, older guy.
What's the process to sign up to Spotify?
Do you need to pay for a membership?
Do you need to like, you need to, you.
tim pool
So I think for, uh, you might have to sign in for the Roman podcast.
I'm not sure.
I know that it's free.
It's free if you want to listen to it, but I'm not sure if you have to sign in to listen to it.
I think you probably do.
ian crossland
To watch too?
Is it a watch?
tim pool
You can watch it as well.
ian crossland
No comments, right?
People were like, there's no comments on Spotify.
Is that true?
tim pool
Yeah, no comments.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
That's a big change.
luke rudkowski
Right.
tim pool
And that's why clearly YouTubers are upset.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
One of the reasons why, you know, so many people love the Joe Rogan podcast was when it was live, people were able to talk to each other uncensored.
And there was just a dowdage of like so many people talking all at once.
And a lot of people got a lot of good information from the comment section.
tim pool
I thought he disabled comments, didn't he?
luke rudkowski
He did, but his previous videos had, um, had the comments going through it.
And then after the video was done, everyone was able to comment and the top comment was voted up.
tim pool
I'm going to be completely honest with everybody.
Everybody knows I know Joe.
He's a cool dude.
I talk to him fairly often.
I think he got an amazing deal, I guess.
It was reported in the Wall Street Journal, like 100 million bucks.
I can clearly understand why he took it.
But I think, to be totally honest, one of the things that helped Joe remain on top as the biggest podcast in the world was that he was the first in, the saying is, first in, best dressed.
What happens is, Joe works, his show is consistent.
What is it, Monday through Thursday, new episode?
Never misses a beat.
He puts it up on iTunes when podcasts are first coming out.
He was doing podcasts before podcasts were a thing.
So when people are first getting introduced to podcasting, they open up their iPhone, they click the podcast button, and there's Joe Rogan, the first thing they see.
Free advertising on the most prominent podcasting app.
That's true for YouTube as well.
He's been on the platform for a really long time.
The algorithm loves long-form content and clips with high engagement.
So YouTube's promoting him like crazy.
And he was getting algorithmic boosts.
luke rudkowski
It was authentic.
It wasn't poppy.
It wasn't corporate.
It wasn't Disney.
It was him talking about gorilla DMT monkeys ripping each other to shreds.
treads, which is fascinating to listen to.
tim pool
It's fun.
luke rudkowski
And then he did it.
But one thing I have to give him props for is he did it in a way where he wasn't cocky about it.
He wasn't elitist about it.
It was him discovering information, learning, and taking you along the process
as he was learning it.
And that's what really drove a lot of people to listen because they wanted to join
that authentic, real, honest conversation that you can't get
anywhere else because most news guys are there with the suit and they have their little monotone voice in
tim pool
there.
But listen, listen.
What we do on this show is derivative of what Joe started doing 10 years ago.
So I think about someone like Casey Neistat you guys know, you know vlogger
He was the first vlogger to actually make cinematic editing, you know in his vlogs before him
It was like a dude with a cell phone walking around talking about their day
They were getting a crazy viewership then Casey comes around and he's like I'm gonna put my camera down
Turn it on then leave the room and then walk back in to get it to get this like edit
Play music, time lapses, and all of a sudden his channel skyrocketed to 10 million subs in a very short amount of time.
luke rudkowski
He made HBO documentaries before doing the vlog, so he was a professional.
It was beautiful what he did.
tim pool
But so here's what happens.
At a certain point, everybody is making identical vlogs to him.
and then it dilutes the market share.
So what I'm kind of getting at is, of course Joe Rogan is completely unique, superstar,
MMA, comedian, he's a really funny guy, he's got his talent.
But I think what was really keeping him in the top spot was the fact that he was given
this prominent real estate by being first and best dressed.
I'm not saying that his show is going to fail by any means.
I'm just saying a large portion of the viewership is due to algorithms.
And I'll admit this for myself, too, because I'm not trying to drag anybody else.
I know for a fact the YouTube algorithm drives the majority of my content.
The reason you are all probably listening to this right now is because it popped up on your front page when you went to YouTube.com.
You thought, this is an interesting conversation about Joe Rogan.
You clicked it.
Many of you probably aren't even subscribed.
You just happen to be passing by.
A large portion of viewership are from non-subscribers, and it's because the algorithm chose to promote you.
unidentified
Subscribe, by the way.
luke rudkowski
YouTube totally controls who sees your videos and who doesn't, and that main front screen on YouTube.com determines everything.
It used to be with an amount of views.
So it used to be Loose Change came out and that was the number one viewed video.
It was out, number one platform.
Now it's all algorithms deciding what's good for you.
I was going to ask you, what do you think is the current, the best first and best dressed now?
Do you have an example?
tim pool
There is no first in.
luke rudkowski
Okay.
tim pool
Unless we do like, like first in is like when this first started, when podcasting became a thing, Joe was already there and he had a show that was really interesting.
luke rudkowski
Is there anyone that is doing any content right now that you could say is similar?
tim pool
We're well past that point of getting the initial boost.
So now it's just we're all at a party.
If someone wants to jump up and down and scream and get attention, they can.
But I want to tell people hard numbers.
Take a look at the view count on this video.
For those that are watching live, you're going to see I think we've got around 46,000 or so people.
I think when all is said and done, this episode's gonna have around 200, or like 300, maybe 400,000 viewers.
It depends, you know.
Three to six?
Viewership, yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Sometimes they're bigger, but when they're like, just run of the, you know, like our average episodes, we'll probably hit around 400,000.
You wanna know how much they get on all podcast platforms combined? 35.
35,000.
And guess what?
One of the top global podcasts.
We are ranked, I think, top 230 biggest podcasts in the world in this show.
ian crossland
And we get 1,000% more views on YouTube.
tim pool
10 times.
ian crossland
1,000%.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
You're right, you're right.
On my show, on the Tim Pool Daily Show, I get between the three videos, maybe like, you know, two or three million views a day or more.
Actually, yeah, it's way more than that.
I was getting around, I've kind of lowered the amount of content I was doing, but I was getting about, you know, four to five million views on my YouTube content every day, podcast, ranked at its peak, number 34 iTunes top charts in the world.
70,000.
Wow.
That's how dramatically different the numbers are compared to YouTube.
So I bring that up because I think by taking these videos off YouTube and by leaving YouTube, and I mean this with the utmost respect for, you know, Joey's a friend, I think he's going to lose a ton of influence.
But I'm not entirely convinced it's something he cares about, to be honest.
ian crossland
Yeah.
I mean, he cashed out.
Kudos.
Good job.
He's starting his own comedy club, I think he wants to do.
tim pool
He's doing exactly what he wants to do.
ian crossland
He's renegotiating the network of Comedy and tech, I mean it's so awesome.
tim pool
Guaranteed income, no banning.
ian crossland
And so Spotify's up.
Spotify, he's the biggest, number one on Spotify.
And his clips are still on YouTube, on the JRE channel.
So he's still putting clips with links to his Spotify content.
And the clips are still getting hundreds of thousands, if not millions of views.
So maybe he's just diversifying his holdings.
tim pool
It's true, but the big issue, I guess, is... You know, at the end of the day, Joe's gotta do what's good for Joe.
He's just a guy.
He's doing his thing.
And you can't expect anything from him.
There's a lot of people who... They looked up to him as an important figure in the culture because...
Joe wouldn't just go along blindly with, he doesn't just go along blindly with this, you know, with what's going on in left or right or whatever.
He's just like a regular guy who will challenge things that don't seem to make sense, and he'll call up people on his own show for it.
As much as the left tries to argue he doesn't.
Losing him in the most prominent positions of the culture war scares a lot of people, and I'm sure the left is clapping and cheering the whole time, and they're trying to use that now, that change, to get him banned off Spotify too.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, we have to understand here, there was a lot of establishment pressure A lot of pressure from the mainstream media, a lot of pressure from what people would consider the ruling class to get him canceled, to get him kicked off of YouTube.
So this could be another reason why he moved over to Spotify, where, as you said, he can't be censored.
And I think that's something important to really consider here.
ian crossland
They were also going after his friends on his show.
unidentified
Oh, of course.
ian crossland
It was crazy.
tim pool
Nearly two billion views removed from his channel.
I wonder if all of those have translated over to Spotify.
You know, I gotta be honest, though.
I don't get nearly any views on Spotify or downloads for the podcast.
It's negligible.
I don't even bother with it.
There's nothing I can do.
I mean, look, if you're listening right now, hop over to Spotify.
Give us a good review.
On iTunes, we continually are going up in the rankings.
People are subscribing.
People are following.
People are leaving, you know, good reviews and good comments.
And I can see, like, a month ago, this show wasn't even in the top charts.
And now it's officially cracked.
It's the iTunes Top 250 is their official breakdown for the top podcasts.
And now we're doing it.
Spotify?
Nothing.
ian crossland
Is there a link to Spotify on the YouTube video?
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
That'll probably kick the numbers in a hiker.
luke rudkowski
Well, at the end of some videos, he's saying, go check out our full episodes on Spotify.
So that does happen.
To me, this is kind of very similar to a move we see done by Howard Stern when he moved over from regular radio facing pressure from the FTC.
I know, it's like the value of money and the value of personal relevance to society.
tim pool
But what's he what's he's gone? Yeah, what's his relevance is?
ian crossland
I know it's like the value of money and the value of relevant of like personal relevance to society and this is
the great You know lesson of our time and Joe's in the middle of it
tim pool
So I'm gonna be happy to hear his look on it in the future looking back. He's got no obligation to anybody but himself
luke rudkowski
That's true.
tim pool
You know?
So if he says he's gonna take a good deal and then... Look, I know a lot of people are angry because he is a powerful everyman who, when he has conversations about social justice warriors and, like, authoritarianism, he's far from conservative, but he's like, that's BS.
I'm not gonna play that game.
He talks about fun, interesting things.
To have him move away to an exclusive platform is, like, it's devastating for the culture war.
It's a huge win for the leftists, no doubt.
ian crossland
I want to see Howard Stern and Rogan do something now.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I doubt Howard Stern could.
ian crossland
Big Daddy Stern?
tim pool
Got his contract.
unidentified
Oh.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, but he also became... Kind of establishment.
tim pool
Yeah, he totally established.
ian crossland
Howard?
Can he not say anything on his show?
tim pool
He denied ever saying racial slurs, like on this one segment, and then they played it for him and he was like, I'm so sorry I did that.
No joke.
Howard Stern apologizing for being a shock jock.
ian crossland
So if someone offered you $100 million, would you jump?
tim pool
You have an obligation to, I guess.
I gotta be real though.
I probably wouldn't.
I probably would not.
Yeah, but what am I gonna do with it?
ian crossland
I don't know.
unidentified
Start your own network?
That's what I'm saying.
tim pool
What are you doing?
ian crossland
That's the question.
If you have something to do with it, then I can see going for it.
luke rudkowski
Create a beanie school where you teach other beanie wearers to be truth speakers and start their own YouTube channels.
tim pool
Right now we're talking about getting a hundred acre farm in central West Virginia.
Middle of nowhere.
Hours from anything.
And the agents are like, you really don't want to be here.
There's nothing.
And it's like, Oh yeah, that's exactly what we want.
We're going to build our own space app.
You know how much 100 acres can cost if you go to like Montana or something?
It's like nothing.
A couple hundred bucks a month on a mortgage.
And you can have 100, 200 acres of just big open empty land.
So if you want to do something, you could really just do it.
It's not the most difficult thing.
I mean, obviously, if you're younger, it's a lot harder.
You got to save up money.
Clearly, that's, you know, when I was younger, I worked fast food.
I worked, you know, crummy jobs and just saved everything I could.
luke rudkowski
The main important thing that people need to realize is one of the most important things you could do is enjoy yourself.
Whatever you're doing, whatever you're working towards, if you're enjoying yourself, keep on doing it.
So I think that's essentially what I think is going down to Rogan's decision.
He likes doing them.
He likes doing the podcast.
There's a lot less pressure on him for it to be taken down.
And he's going to continue his own way.
And just as you said, he has no obligation to any of us.
And that's an important realization that a lot of people need to make.
Stop looking up to idols or other individuals.
Don't put any man above yourself.
You, yourself, have to look up to yourself internally and always build yourself up as much as you can.
tim pool
I will say this though, you know, trying to be respectful because, again, I know Joe.
I'm not trying to drag him or anything, but when you tell everybody, don't worry, the episodes are going to be archived forever.
They'll always exist.
You can watch them whenever you want on YouTube.
And then you take them all off.
People are going to be like, yo, that's kind of like... I never heard him say that.
ian crossland
He did say that specifically?
tim pool
I thought that's what the deal was.
ian crossland
I was always so vague.
I didn't know.
Plus, he was beholden to ad revenue before, and now he's not.
Now he got paid ahead of time, so he can just kind of roll.
lydia smith
So you guys can correct me if I'm wrong, but going to something like Spotify, like Joe did, seems kind of, to me, like a soft retirement.
It really seems like a semi-retirement.
He's kind of done.
He just wants to chill.
He doesn't have to worry about YouTube and all this crazy stuff.
luke rudkowski
Could be, but at the same time, he did want to host a Joe Biden versus a Donald Trump presidential debate.
unidentified
That's true!
lydia smith
That would have sounded like a lot of fun.
luke rudkowski
So if you're hosting a huge presidential debate, you're not riding off into the sunset.
tim pool
You're putting yourself in the spotlight.
How much of that was him just like, you know, in the moment?
luke rudkowski
No, I mean, you saw it in his eyes.
He was excited.
He wanted it.
He was like, I want Donald Trump here, Joe Biden here, and Alex Jones talking about DMT in the corner.
I want it right now.
And America would have loved that, and we deserved that.
tim pool
Look, maybe Spotify will take over iTunes because of Joe.
That's the bet, right?
luke rudkowski
But they also don't have a good record when it comes to upholding people's free speech.
tim pool
Spotify is still Google.
It's Alphabet.
ian crossland
Oh, it is!
luke rudkowski
And they have a bad record of censoring speech.
Yeah, that's another aspect that we have to understand here as well, on top of everything.
tim pool
You know, look man, eventually you're not a 19-year-old hungry kid anymore who's trying to take over the world.
You're in your 50s, you got a family, and you're like, how long am I going to be leading the charge on this one?
ian crossland
Yeah, I heard him make a comment that, like, telling his family, yo guys, it's time to party.
We got the payout.
Let's roll it.
tim pool
Let's have some fun.
Let's have that serious question.
What do you do with $100 million?
lydia smith
I have no idea.
luke rudkowski
You can't spend it fast enough.
unidentified
No, no.
lydia smith
You can't.
tim pool
You just put it in, you give it to wealth management, and then it just becomes infinite money for you in the long run.
unidentified
That's so boring.
tim pool
You've broken through this barrier where once, I think John McCain was asked this in 2008 or whatever, 2007.
How much money do you need to be truly wealthy?
He said $7,000,000.
And then there was this guffaw from the media, like, $7,000,000?
If I was a millionaire?
No, no, what he was saying was, at that time, with $7,000,000, you put it in a wealth management account, you get a wealth manager, you're rich forever.
You never have to work again.
luke rudkowski
You're like a Wall Street banker just creating money out of thin air with all their derivatives and all the other complicated language they make for literally monopoly money.
tim pool
What do you do with the money?
ian crossland
probably by a bunch of lasers and start launching satellites.
luke rudkowski
Dude, lasers don't cost that much.
Start building security guards.
tim pool
Now that's expensive.
ian crossland
We can invest in like lunar...
We can invest in lunar...
Space elevators and like... No, that's way more expensive!
luke rudkowski
Elon Musk took his winnings from Facebook and PayPal and literally started a space program and he's trying to go to Mars.
ian crossland
And a lot less than a hundred million, I think, at the time.
I don't know.
But he put his net worth on the line, basically.
tim pool
Is Joe Rogan gonna create a space program?
lydia smith
That'd be cool.
ian crossland
I think he's into it.
tim pool
Send a chimp into space?
lydia smith
Chimp research?
luke rudkowski
He's doing a comedy thing.
ian crossland
In space.
tim pool
Comedy.
luke rudkowski
Literally bringing people into space.
ian crossland
Dude, it's a lot funnier when there's no gravity.
tim pool
It's like $20,000 to do a space tourism.
You got a hundred million bucks.
You got a lot of space tourism you can do.
ian crossland
And now where we've got re-entry rockets we can utilize.
tim pool
People going outer space for a zero-g comedy show.
lydia smith
That'd be awesome.
tim pool
Just like grazing for like 20 minutes in zero-g.
I wonder what laughing feels like in space.
luke rudkowski
What would you do if you had a hundred million dollars?
ian crossland
What would you do?
First thing I would do is invest about 20 million of it into cryptocurrency.
The second thing I would do is start researching satellites and start launching satellites with like ionic thrusters and propellers to get them up out of orbit.
And then start making... Well, Elon's already doing global internet.
So I'd like to enhance the global internet program and start putting water wells around the world.
luke rudkowski
I would do a free speech internet.
Just all out, just like it was before.
That's my thing.
Sorry, I cut you off.
tim pool
We could do that with the international... But you don't need a hundred million dollars to do that.
luke rudkowski
You do, now, with the infrastructure that Google has.
Yeah, they can seize your domain.
Yeah, but that's why you have a hundred million dollars to make sure you create a system outside of that system where it's not... The internet used to be such a wild, incredible, awesome place where when you clicked on something you didn't know what you're gonna get, but it was gonna rattle your brain, it was gonna make you think, it was gonna inspire you.
Now, It's just the same squeegee clean complaining moaning and whining by boomers and by I don't want to mention someone specifically I was gonna do that but there's so much trash out there when it comes to just selling you products and just the same squeegee clean same YouTube video that you just keep seeing repeated over and over again.
There needs to be a day where there isn't anything curated and controlled and regulated where it's wild and it's free and it's real.
And if I had a hundred million dollars I would literally spend it right now on creating that.
tim pool
I'll tell you guys a secret.
The secret is money can make you happy up to a certain point.
Like you don't have to worry about starving to death or you're not anxious and sitting there shaking because you're gonna get evicted.
But for the most part, what truly makes you happy is purpose.
Purpose can come from friends, from family, and from a mission.
But $100,000,000 is not purpose.
If someone just gave you $100,000,000, you probably would not be happy.
And people don't realize this.
I am not some far right or far left.
I understand that there are people who can't pay their bills and are desperate and scared and struggling.
Money can make them reach a certain threshold of contentment.
But I have a friend who became multi-millionaire when he was 16 years old by writing a computer code that just ended up generating a bunch of money, built a company, made millions of dollars, and then when he was like 19 in an existential crisis because there was nowhere left for him to go.
He was already at the top of his field.
Everybody knew who he was.
There was nothing that he could do.
He was doing what he wanted to do.
Everybody knew who he was.
He had all this money.
And he ended up talking to a bunch of other rich people who said that once they get to that point where they have so much money, everything just kind of stops.
You have an existential crisis because you've done it.
What's left?
luke rudkowski
Yes.
There's actually a phenomenon with a lot of people who win the lottery that literally lose all of their money within a few years.
So that keeps happening again and again.
And a lot of them report not being happier because of that money, but only having more problems.
And a lot of people think that they could fill in this psychological empty void that has been put into us by the controllers, as I would metaphorically say.
They think just by the culture of consumerism, by doing what you're told, by spending money on where the cool kids spend them, everything's gonna be different.
It's not.
People need to wake up from that reality.
Stop buying into this consumerism of Nike slave-made, Chinese factory-produced sneakers.
that supports people like LeBron James that will lecture you about Black Lives Matter. Meanwhile,
when actual human rights are being violated by his company and the hundreds of millions of dollars
that he's receiving, he's not going to say jack or iota about that actual issue that does enslave
and hurt people to an effect that we can't even imagine. I'm reminded of that scene from Fight
tim pool
Club where they're in the car and the two guys are in the back and then he takes his hands off
the wheels and he's like, if you were to die, what's one thing you would have regretted not
And one guy's like, paint a portrait, or paint a self-portrait, and the guy's like, build a house!
You gotta think about that stuff.
ian crossland
Mine is... What do you wanna do?
Build a rail cannon that we can use to launch satellites.
luke rudkowski
Like, it's underground about a hundred yards, and then it curves and then goes up, and then so you just... Now if you remember, we had these same conversations before Disney and before Vice.
I was like, don't do it, man.
Don't go for the man.
But your strategy, where you are right now, is something commendable.
tim pool
Yeah, you were wrong.
You were wrong.
luke rudkowski
No, I was right.
And you even told me.
There's a video where we talked.
You were like, yeah, man, you're all right.
You were telling me not to be with the corporations because they were going to control me and they were going to stifle me.
And I think you could have even been bigger and stronger if you weren't.
You're correct. With Vice. If you weren't with Disney, which I've been telling you,
don't do it. Don't go with them. Be independent, be free.
And then as soon as you came out of that corporate hellhole, you blossomed. And you're here today as
one of the top political YouTubers, and you have to give props to that. But at the same time,
they did stifle you, and I told you so.
tim pool
But hold on. When I was first starting YouTube, I was making like five bucks a week.
And it was impossible.
luke rudkowski
I was making zero bucks for a while too.
tim pool
When I started at Vice, I had to ask them to front me the first paycheck because I had no money left.
And so I was like, that's it.
I can't.
It was, you know, money was going down.
For a while, covering protests around the country, people would donate, and that was a slow upward trajectory.
But once protests started spacing out and slowing down, my costs were, you know, more than the opportunities to actually cover news and generate some kind of revenue.
luke rudkowski
Trust me, I was there.
I was sleeping on couches.
I knew many times and circumstances that I'm not going to have any money in the bank.
tim pool
So I took a job.
And I saved all the money from it.
And then once I finally left, when I left Disney, I went to these other companies.
I'm not going to name them, but you can probably guess a lot of what they were.
I went to all these different companies.
And then I was like, I got money in the bank now.
I'm going to do whatever I want.
I was able to fly to Sweden.
I was able to fly to Europe and travel around because I didn't have to worry about that anymore.
It was me working these jobs that allowed me to have the investment to start my own companies.
luke rudkowski
My approach was a little different, but each is own.
We're here today and we still have a voice.
ian crossland
You went like full independent?
Full independent, full... What was your history like from the beginning, like when you were 16?
luke rudkowski
I mean, I was working full-time, going to school full-time, and still doing activism, and then Alex Jones saw some of the videos I did, and, you know, there's a lot of history.
tim pool
Took Luke under his wing?
ian crossland
No, I don't know about it.
tim pool
His big wings?
luke rudkowski
That's debatable.
There is a contested history.
We're not on good terms now, and it's fine.
I don't hold any grudges or anything personal, but we definitely went our separate ways because we have a different way of doing things.
And, you know, whatever.
You know, things happen.
tim pool
But you ever see GoldenEye?
Yeah, you know, at the end.
So basically what happened was they were actually at the satellite and Luke was hanging by one hand and then he
looked up at Alex and then Alex had his foot on his hand and Luke
goes for 9-11 truth Alex and Alex goes no for me.
Kicks him off and looks.
luke rudkowski
Falls down and there was a big fight and it was very entertaining
and wow.
I'm not going to share too much personal details.
I don't hold any grudges.
I concentrate on my mission, and my mission is to do as much research, as much homework as I can, find out anything I can that's useful to people, and to share it with them.
That's my main goal.
That's my main mission.
That's what I set my life's purpose to be.
And that's what I focus on, not e-drama and all this other stuff that's, you know, outside of the focus.
tim pool
Well, just two quick things.
One, I kind of want to watch GoldenEye, but I love that movie.
We got to do Super Chats.
luke rudkowski
Can we play the video of the woman shooting the intruder?
tim pool
We're 15 minutes.
ian crossland
The answer is yes.
And the answer is we're 15 minutes past.
And I also have a question.
What documentary did you do?
Didn't you do a really popular one in the past?
luke rudkowski
Well, there was the Loose Change Kids and I helped them with that.
And there was some of my video footage in there.
And I was with them from the very beginning.
ian crossland
Loose Change.
That was groundbreaking.
tim pool
All right, superchats.
If you haven't already, get your superchats in.
We'll read as many as I can.
Obviously, I can't read everybody's, but also smash the like button.
And, you know, just comment, subscribe, notification bell, all that good stuff.
Brian Schink says, Hey Tim, love the show.
Do I have your blessing to perform your song, Will of the People, for my audition for The Voice on Friday?
It's an amazing song.
Of course you do.
Absolutely.
However, I'm pretty sure that preliminary auditions, they make you sing the song they want you to sing.
So I knew people who have auditioned for American Idol, and they actually initially give you a song.
It's a generic, like, pop song, and they tell you to sing it.
And then they choose you based on whether or not you're entertaining on TV.
That's about it.
ian crossland
So stay loose when you go in there, but prep well the people.
tim pool
Kale Yamamoto says, I can tell Alex Jones is really starting to rub off on Tim lately.
Alex didn't talk to me about aliens at all.
We talked about DMT.
lydia smith
No, we used to talk about this stuff all the time.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, he doesn't really talk about aliens.
tim pool
Mike C says, if you've seen Rick and Morty, you know what the deal is with the Galactic Federation.
ian crossland
I love that show.
tim pool
Okay, so someone actually mentioned early on about Joe Rogan.
Michael Anthony Lewis says, Joe Rogan very recently said only 100 episodes will remain on YouTube when he recently appeared on the Alex Jones podcast.
lydia smith
Oh, I didn't realize he went on Alex Jones.
tim pool
Oh, interesting.
So we'll have to keep make sure that in any clip we will put that in the notes.
Alright, let's see.
Jacob says, please tell me that you're going to talk about the woman who was arrested for admitting on Facebook and Instagram that she and her daughter worked at a vote counting center in Georgia and committed fraud.
I'm not, uh, she was arrested for that?
luke rudkowski
I haven't seen that.
tim pool
Yeah, you want to Google it?
Look it up.
A woman and her daughter in Georgia admitted on Facebook?
Dylan Keller says, I don't care if aliens are hiding technology from us. We are humans.
We'll discover it eventually. If they don't want to talk to us, it's their loss. We'll make our
own Galactic Federation with Blackjack and hookers. That's right. On the moon with Bender.
ian crossland
You think that if we were all tripping that we'd have quicker access to aliens?
tim pool
If we were tripping?
ian crossland
Like if we took psychedelic drugs.
lydia smith
No.
tim pool
I think psychedelic drugs can be beneficial based on the research, honestly, in like small doses and in specific circumstances.
But if people were always tripping, they'd never get anything done.
ian crossland
Maybe if we all tripped at once.
I don't like the word tripping because that implies you're falling over on yourself.
tim pool
But I did read a study about a bunch of scientists who all micro-dosed LSD and then like ended up accomplishing a bunch of like goals of theirs or something.
ian crossland
And also a group meditation is pretty powerful.
luke rudkowski
There are some scientific studies that do talk about dosing and having a lot of breakthroughs.
unidentified
So that's, you know, something to think about.
tim pool
The Smartest Idiot says, as a fellow human flesh ape, I welcome our future Florbo, Florbo overlords.
ian crossland
Oh, he's a step ahead.
tim pool
Eggman Xavier says, can someone tell me what the heck is going on?
Just at the egg.
I don't know what that is.
Someone has a very spicy comment.
I can't read it, but I will mention there's a spicy comment.
It's about a guy whose name is Jeffrey.
Ashley says, hi gang, alien confirmation.
Sounds like a misdirection to change the confirmation.
lydia smith
Conversation.
tim pool
Conversation, yeah.
Honestly, that's a good point.
We got all this voter fraud stuff going on, and all of a sudden this guy's like, oh, aliens!
ian crossland
I'll tell you, I had more fun tonight than the voter.
lydia smith
It is more fun, but that's the appeal.
tim pool
And then we had those stupid monoliths popping up everywhere.
lydia smith
Yeah, what the heck?
tim pool
And everyone's like, don't look at the election, look at the shiny object!
ian crossland
Did you see the meme of the guy with the monolith in his toilet?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, that was funny.
lydia smith
Literally a shiny object.
unidentified
Come on, guys.
ian crossland
Oh, yeah.
lydia smith
Come on, guys.
tim pool
Omega Hunter says, Tim, earlier this year you were talking about how the insanity level was increasing for 2020, and you mentioned one of the next steps, seemingly in jest, would be aliens.
So let me ask you, did you get this info from a terrestrial source?
It was a meme.
There's a meme.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's been going around for a while.
tim pool
You posted it?
Where it's like a calendar of all the months?
Yeah.
Oh, Babylon Bee had one.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's like aliens come in June, and then you're like, but never happened, you know?
lydia smith
Months off.
tim pool
Yeah.
The Civic Nationalist says, Tim, divine right was an excuse by kings because their ancestors were the strongest.
League of Nations was 1919 after World War I. Ah, thank you for the correction.
And burn the heretic, kill the mutant, purge the unclean.
So League of Nations was after World War I, but that was like a general idea, like we don't want world war or something like that.
I believe that was correct.
luke rudkowski
And then there was a world war.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Yes, there were.
ian crossland
Because of the League of Nations.
tim pool
Here we go.
Super503Dank says, So Tim, what you're saying is the aliens are behind intersectionality.
That way we are all featureless, genderless, ready for the Galactic Federation.
Yes!
With shaven heads, wearing gray jumpsuits with no pockets.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
That's exactly what it's going to be like.
luke rudkowski
And big heads.
tim pool
Yes.
DoobieMcNasty says, Would it be crazy if humans came together for world peace just so that we could meet the aliens?
I mean, that'd be cool, I guess.
luke rudkowski
That's an idea.
unidentified
I'm into it.
luke rudkowski
I think it's worth considering.
lydia smith
That'd be awesome.
tim pool
Neon Light says, shout out to Charles the stink bug.
Loved his commentary on his evolutionary adaptation.
lydia smith
Yes, Charles.
tim pool
I wonder if you could even, you couldn't hear anything from him.
lydia smith
I don't think so.
tim pool
Charles?
Is that his name?
lydia smith
It's his name.
tim pool
Morgan Hengel says, I would love to have a conversation with an alien.
I feel that our perspective on common issues will be vastly different due to technological and cultural differences.
I mean, also environmental and evolutionary.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
What if they don't eat matter the way we do?
What if they're like plants?
What if they have to spend, like, a month just sitting still absorbing solar radiation to move around for one day?
ian crossland
What would you ask an alien if you only had, like, ten seconds?
tim pool
How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
lydia smith
Of course he would.
ian crossland
Good question.
lydia smith
He could tell you.
tim pool
How much wood would a woodchuck chuck?
How many lows would Rob Lowe ro- How many Lowe's could Rob Lowe rob if Rob Lowe... I can't do it.
How many Lowe's could Rob Lowe rob if Rob Lowe could rob Lowe's?
lydia smith
There we go.
tim pool
That's my favorite tongue twister.
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
luke rudkowski
I'm not even going to get into that.
unidentified
That's a good one.
tim pool
Rob Lowe rob Lowe's.
I'd ask them, what's the meaning of life?
ian crossland
42.
That's a lot of questions.
tim pool
I don't think there was an actual question.
lydia smith
42 isn't the answer.
tim pool
Yeah, that was the problem.
lydia smith
There was no question.
tim pool
What's the ultimate answer to the ultimate question?
Like, we don't know what the question is.
ian crossland
Sometimes when I ask cats questions, they get confused.
Like, questions is kind of a human thing.
I wonder if other animals don't think in terms of that.
lydia smith
Probably not.
ian crossland
There's just facts.
tim pool
Filthy Jim has a question.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
He says, what's your thoughts on the mud flood and Tartaria?
ian crossland
We talk a lot about that, actually, here in this house.
It seems like throughout history, the victor has written history and covered up the past.
And that has also happened with mud floods, like Atlanta seems to have been covered by mud.
So I think a lot of ancient technology has been lost to mud.
tim pool
And then the people don't want to... So for those that aren't familiar with this conspiracy theory, it's that there was a great planetary civilization, right?
ian crossland
Atlantis, at least, yeah.
And then... Oh, Tartary.
tim pool
The Tartars, yeah.
And it got wiped out in a mud flood, a giant flood, and the mud buried a bunch of buildings.
And then there was a war over the ancient technology, and the victors changed history so that we didn't realize we're actually discovering the remnants of an ancient civilization.
ian crossland
The Tartars.
We're actually came from the barbers, which means foreigner.
Barbarian meant foreigner.
And so these Tartars were like, theoretically slaughtered by like the, the Asians and Russians.
And then we're kind of, we're told to forget about this ancient Euro-Asian gigantic, you know, civilization.
Of Tartaria.
tim pool
Darius Harvey says, Metal Gear Solid.
Perfect soldier, big boss, is unable to have children.
A shadow government wants an heir, so they clone him.
Three sons are born.
The answer to not tainting the gene pool?
Make all three infertile.
Super soldiers are also infertile.
Well, there you go.
Yeah.
The Chinese super soldiers, they could specifically... I think they're going to be reproducing a lot, especially with the shortage of... It's going to be like Fallout, the super mutants?
You know, where they're like gigantic genderless monsters?
luke rudkowski
Probably.
tim pool
There you go.
luke rudkowski
It is trendy now.
tim pool
Cordy on Ice says, Sargon's episodes with Joe Rogan aren't on Spotify or YouTube.
There it is.
Carl Benjamin has been axed from the Joe Rogan show.
ian crossland
Carl!
unidentified
That's it.
tim pool
It's over.
See, there you go.
That's kind of messed up, man.
I mean, I'm sure it exists somewhere, though.
Someone downloaded it somewhere.
ian crossland
Bitshoot?
tim pool
Isn't that where they get... I mean, somebody had to have archived this.
I think when people saw that Joe's episodes weren't porting over, some of them, everyone immediately went and archived every episode.
But there you go, right there.
He's been unpersoned.
That's crazy.
Tom Demartino says, Tim, I think Joe's videos are probably unlisted now and not deleted.
My theory is that the entire Spotify play is a YouTube flex and the entire podcast will be back to YouTube eventually.
I don't think so.
ian crossland
I actually had that thought that once his contract with Spotify runs out, he'll make everything public again on YouTube.
tim pool
I wonder.
I mean, listen.
Joe can't do the show forever.
Is Joe going to be like a 70-year-old man being like, you guys ever tried to?
ian crossland
He's going to be young.
He's going to be one of those 90-year-old, 50-year-olds.
lydia smith
Yeah, he really is.
I can see it.
ian crossland
He's younger than he was two years ago.
lydia smith
I know, right?
It's crazy.
He's going backwards.
luke rudkowski
He supplements a lot.
tim pool
Jamie!
ian crossland
What?
luke rudkowski
Pull that up!
ian crossland
What?
lydia smith
Old Jamie.
tim pool
Old Jamie and old Joe.
AG Birch says JRE is popular because he respects cats.
That may be where your crowd comes from, too, Tim.
That's right.
But Luke doesn't.
luke rudkowski
I do not.
tim pool
He doesn't.
lydia smith
He's mean.
luke rudkowski
There's a lot of taxoplasmy everywhere, and there needs to be more.
tim pool
Taxoplasmosis.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
It's in me.
luke rudkowski
Potato, potato.
tim pool
DustinWorksAsIan, check out Walter Veith on Secret Societies.
He shows you with evidence all roads lead to Rome with the Fed.
Tim, realize that Klaus Schwab already said the fourth industrial revolution is humans changing.
ian crossland
Dude, this guy sounds legit.
luke rudkowski
Yep, and the World Economic Forum talked about implants and using biotech technology in order to help advanced human civilization.
tim pool
So get your neural link.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
Well, Elon Musk is literally working on a microchip that you put inside of your brain.
tim pool
Don't you want to be able to plug into the matrix and learn Kung Fu in five seconds?
luke rudkowski
I am okay.
ian crossland
Oh, I am so ready.
I don't want to wire myself.
luke rudkowski
Would you rather be given unlimited money or would you rather work towards having the money that you earned and worked hard for yourself?
tim pool
Um, that's a tough question.
luke rudkowski
Exactly.
Would you rather get a fish or would you have a fishing pole?
If you had a choice, if you had a choice to work for everything in your life.
tim pool
Let me answer.
luke rudkowski
Go ahead.
tim pool
I'm saying it's a tough question because I'm not thinking about being given money.
I wouldn't want to be given a ton of money because money doesn't get you what you want.
But in terms of being able to instantly know Kung Fu versus having to train for years to be good at Kung Fu, I kind of want to just be good at Kung Fu.
luke rudkowski
What would make you happier?
What would make you more satisfied?
tim pool
If right now they were like, press enter and you'll be a Kung Fu master.
I would be stoked on that.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, but then it gets old.
tim pool
But no, no, it wouldn't get old because I wouldn't be doing Kung Fu every day.
I would be going about my normal business that I want to go about, but just knowing Kung Fu.
luke rudkowski
But if you had to work hard for it every single day, you would appreciate it that much more.
ian crossland
No, you're wrong.
tim pool
I think some people... What you're misunderstanding is that I am currently not doing Kung Fu because I don't care that much.
If I was given the ability to just learn Kung Fu instantly, the Matrix style, and it was passive, I'd totally do it.
I'd be stoked on it.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, but then you would take that to every element of your life, and then you would be spoiled.
tim pool
No, you wouldn't.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, you would.
I think you would.
unidentified
Some people would.
luke rudkowski
You wouldn't respect anything.
You wouldn't give a damn about anything.
It's like having the cheat codes.
You had a video game that's hard.
When it's hard, it's actually really fun to play.
unidentified
When you have all the cheat codes, it's But what if the cheat code is that you can change the color of your shoes?
tim pool
You're gonna be like, well, now I'm playing the game, but the game's the same, but I gotta change the color of my shoes.
luke rudkowski
Well, that's not it, but if you have a cheat code to do anything, right?
We're not talking about one specific thing.
tim pool
I'm not saying that.
luke rudkowski
I'm talking about everything.
tim pool
I'm saying that if right now, in the context of my life, Kung Fu would not help me complain on the internet, I would totally be down to just instantly learn Kung Fu.
What do you do?
luke rudkowski
Who would you use against?
I wouldn't.
tim pool
I just run around doing front flips and stuff.
That's not really kung fu, you know what I mean?
ian crossland
You know, I spent the first 40 years of my life in hard mode, working hard, and now I know so many geniuses that I want to fly out here to build the laser that I need unlimited money.
So I would take the unlimited money cheat.
luke rudkowski
Will there be sharks with lasers on top of them?
ian crossland
I'm into it.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
All right, we got a really good point here from Cleft the Misfit.
He says, It's actually a really good point.
Could be.
If Trump does win this fight, that means the Democrats are definitely going to win in Georgia, and they will impeach and remove Trump.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
I'm sorry.
luke rudkowski
That can't work.
tim pool
That's actually a really good point.
If Trump does win this fight, that means the Democrats are definitely gonna win in
Georgia and they will impeach and remove Trump.
Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
I'm sorry, that can't work.
Sorry, that's not possible.
ian crossland
But Pelosi is the president we need.
tim pool
No, no, no, stop, stop.
This is wrong.
Sorry, Clef.
You're completely incorrect.
The Democrats can only tie the Senate right now.
If Trump wins his lawsuits, tiebreaker goes to Trump.
And if they tried to impeach Trump, then Pence would break the tie defending Pence and Trump.
So that can't happen.
unidentified
Okay.
lydia smith
Thank goodness.
tim pool
Yeah.
All right, let's see.
We got a bunch of new super chats.
Andrew, Mike says, hello all.
I think the GOP will win in Georgia.
Democrats are low information.
It will be hard to get them to come out again.
Trump not on the ballot will hurt damn turnout.
That's a good point.
Harder to cheat this time.
Thoughts?
Thanks for all your hard work.
I actually said without Trump on the ballot, Democrats would win.
Actually, it might be the other way around.
Without Trump on the ballot, they're going to be like, I don't care.
Yeah, it's the Republicans freaking out right now.
ian crossland
The hate vote was strong.
tim pool
Meghan Stewart says Joe Biden did not campaign, but he did pay Ariana Grande and a bunch of other influencers to campaign to their audiences to vote for him.
It's a good point.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
tim pool
But I think, listen, okay, Joe Biden is the greatest president of this or any generation.
ian crossland
Well, that's unsaid.
luke rudkowski
Wasn't Cardi B also endorsing him?
tim pool
No, Bernie.
unidentified
No, no, no.
luke rudkowski
And then she did an interview with Biden.
tim pool
But I just want you to think about this.
Joe Biden.
Didn't campaign.
He didn't hold big rallies.
He simply appeared... You know what?
I know what won.
I know what did it.
lydia smith
What was it?
ian crossland
His beautiful eyes?
luke rudkowski
Cardi B?
tim pool
Shrewd and unashamed of pressure.
Oh, snap.
That was the activation word for all of those who have been programmed by the TVs.
Oh my gosh.
ian crossland
The lizard brain.
tim pool
Right.
So for the past four years, the TV has been subliminally saying, When you hear the code word, you will vote for Joe Biden.
True in on a Shabbat of pressure.
True in on a Shabbat of pressure.
And then finally one day, everyone's sitting there and then Joe Biden goes, true in on a Shabbat of pressure.
And then like some dudes like hanging out with his girlfriend.
He's like, listen, honey, I'm telling you that.
I'm going to vote for Joe Biden.
And then she goes, yes, I too will vote for Joe Biden.
ian crossland
We do need true international cooperation under pressure.
tim pool
True international cooperation under pressure.
True in on a Shabbat of pressure.
Zachary Cuny says, Tim, Ian was right about using viruses to insert genes into cells.
ian crossland
I learned that from Andreas, actually.
tim pool
I know that's true.
I'm saying they don't use coronaviruses to do it.
ian crossland
Well, that we know of.
tim pool
I'm a chemistry PhD student with a focus on biophysics, and I'd love to talk with you guys about that and the CRISPR babies sometime.
ian crossland
Oh, CRISPR.
tim pool
AF says, forget the 100 million, Tim, when will your album drop?
unidentified
You see, let me tell you something.
tim pool
I don't know if I, you know, I'm going to avoid that story because it's personal to a high-profile individual, but I'll just say this.
At a certain point, you can't buy anything.
You can't buy, you can't, you stop being able to buy things.
You can't buy love.
Let's say, let's say you're, you want to get from New York to LA for an important meeting.
What's the fastest way to do it?
ian crossland
Uber.
luke rudkowski
Airplane.
tim pool
Yeah, you go to the- you go- you buy- you get a first class ticket, I guess, so you're comfortable as you're going
through all the airport BS.
You can't- I guess at a certain point, if you're really wealthy, you can buy security bypass,
where you can, like, take a car into the airport and have to go through security, if you have a private plane.
lydia smith
Still going to an airport.
tim pool
Still have to go to the airport, get on a plane, self-deflight.
I guess if you're wealthy enough, a private plane is... Yeah, it's easier, I guess.
You don't have to worry about security and faster, but for the most part, it's just easier to book a ticket, and it's hard to charter private planes sometimes, unless you own it, and then you're super rich, I guess.
But at a certain point, you could only do what humans can do.
You can't go to Mars.
You can't buy money.
It's not gonna get you there.
Elon's trying, but he's paving the way.
He's the one who's, you know, he's making that path.
ian crossland
But it's not the money, it's the tech.
luke rudkowski
You're right.
According to the Israeli professor, there are humans in Mars.
tim pool
You can't buy your way there.
luke rudkowski
I don't know.
tim pool
Why wouldn't Elon Musk just, you know?
ian crossland
Just throw money into space.
luke rudkowski
Maybe there's a psyop.
ian crossland
But the question about the album, in my opinion, I don't know how you feel about this, but I feel like the age of albums is over.
Now it's just singles.
tim pool
Right, exactly.
So the issue is, the reason I bring up the money thing is, Recording the music is a matter of willpower.
I have to prioritize.
And so we want to launch this vlog and we're working towards that direction.
There's a lot of things we have to do before that at the administrative level.
And recording music is like third burner for me right now.
ian crossland
We should record the, for the vlog, record the recording process.
tim pool
Yeah, we could totally do that.
That's a good way to do it.
And then you can hear like the isolated vocal tracks and you can be like, wow, Tim's terrible at singing.
The song came out really good.
ian crossland
You were great on the last one.
tim pool
Well, what people don't realize, too, is if you've ever actually listened to isolated vocal tracks with no effects, you realize that most singers for most music are, like, decent.
lydia smith
It's rough, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, it's fairly rough.
luke rudkowski
It's all autotuned.
tim pool
No, no, no, not autotuned.
Like, so, the stuff I did was not autotuned at all.
And I can't remember who said it, but they were like, you can tell Tim does, like, a vibrato, but I'm by no means, like, a great singer.
I can just sing.
And so what happens though is there's like reverb added to it, not to make me sing better, but to mix it with the other instruments and stuff like that.
ian crossland
I was singing in the garage.
The acoustics are incredible in there.
lydia smith
Oh yeah, I heard you.
luke rudkowski
I thought I heard a dying cat.
ian crossland
I was shaking off days of rust.
luke rudkowski
I was trying to take a nap.
ian crossland
I kept thinking about you.
tim pool
Lone Star Cooking Show says, anyone in the studio do your best impression of Trump telling the nation aliens exist.
Example, I know the best aliens, nobody knows more aliens than me.
The radical left aliens are trying to bring socialism DC says, hey Tim, have you considered making a Discord server?
I will not make a Discord server.
How come?
Because it gets rated immediately by psychopaths who post psychotic things.
And then the left will go in, write a bunch of crazy stuff, screenshot it, and then post it saying it was somebody else.
Yeah.
lydia smith
Easiest thing in the world.
tim pool
Nah, I'm not interested in that.
Yeah, I was quoting a news story from Vox that was making a racist argument and then it was screenshot out of context and then leftists tried using it to get me banned.
ian crossland
Could be something we could do with like people that pay like a monthly part of that subscribe monthly could have access to a server or something.
tim pool
We are setting up a members-only server so everybody who's, you know, signed up will have access to exclusive content, live streams.
That's gonna be part of the vlog stuff we're doing.
So what we're gonna start doing too is, like, at the end of shows, a bonus segment that will go up on the website, exclusive for members.
The reason for it is I've actually been really bad at monetizing compared to a lot of other people.
So there are people with way, like, I'll put it this way.
A subscriber, a paying subscriber is worth money.
A YouTube subscriber is someone who just follows you.
So if, you know, so I've got like millions of followers.
If they were all giving a dollar or two dollars a month or five dollars a month, then I'd have that hundred million dollars a year.
You know, I mean it's a ridiculous amount of money.
Then I could build and do whatever I want.
Instead, I've been relying on, you know, super chats, which are good, but kind of random.
We don't know what it's going to come out to.
Ad revenue is random.
It goes up and down.
January is going to be miserable for everybody, because ad rates just tank.
Especially the election's over, so viewership's going down, ad rates are going down.
ian crossland
Oh, because end of year budget?
People just dump their advertising budget?
tim pool
December goes crazy, but then January, there is no budget, so no one's spending.
luke rudkowski
I just sell shirts.
tim pool
So I'm thinking about like, instead of just kind of mass producing tons and tons of content, we should probably do tons of content, but an actual base, you know, I'll put it this way.
You're actually better off having 100,000 hardcore fans who love you and not being all that famous, and then getting like 50,000 to pay five bucks a month, because then you're super rich.
You don't have to worry about getting cancelled for the most part.
You have millions of followers, you're relying on ad revenue, you can make a lot of money, but then you're a huge target.
So it's like, we gotta figure out, so I pull back a little bit, I'm producing three less seconds per day, we're doing more segments on this show, which you probably noticed we broke things up into segments this time around to actually I think it's more formulaic.
ian crossland
We've been investigating getting a giant laser and CNC machine to produce stuff that we can sell, like cups with Tim Kast etched into them.
So if you guys are interested in that kind of thing, tweet me about that.
tim pool
This is kind of the balance.
I'm like, you know, at a certain point you can only grow so much, but we want to create a better place for people to hang out and have fun.
I mean, just like Luke was walking around in a ghillie suit the other day, because he's ridiculous.
luke rudkowski
We were testing it out.
ian crossland
Next to the Christmas tree, right?
luke rudkowski
Serious logistics.
ian crossland
He stood next to the Christmas tree.
luke rudkowski
To see if I could look like a Christmas tree.
unidentified
He could, yes, he could.
luke rudkowski
Our new Ron Paul started Christmas tree.
ian crossland
He looked like a Wookiee.
tim pool
But also, I don't know, should I mention who came over to hang out the other day?
lydia smith
You should.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, he posted it on Instagram.
tim pool
Oh, that's right, James O'Keefe.
Oh, that's right, in the photos.
Yeah, James O'Keefe was hanging out.
And he was DJing.
luke rudkowski
Yeah.
I was like, are you kidding?
Are you pranking me, man?
And then he like literally whooped out the whole DJ set.
tim pool
We should have filmed it.
luke rudkowski
Yes.
tim pool
Because then we could have been like... That would have been so much fun.
Like James O'Keefe, for some reason, came to my house and started DJing for us.
Yeah.
You know what he did?
Am I giving away his secrets if I tell people what he did?
ian crossland
I don't think so.
tim pool
You can tell us.
Okay, I'm telling.
I'm telling.
Sorry, James.
I'm telling everyone your secret.
He played his retracto song, The Correctional Alpaca, mixed with Billie Jean.
ian crossland
And he was DJing.
tim pool
And I'm like, I'm sitting there, we were watching the Santa Claus 2, all right, while James O'Keefe was DJing.
lydia smith
That's amazing.
ian crossland
And we had ordered... Money can't buy this kind of quality.
tim pool
Yeah, I know, it was fantastic.
lydia smith
It's like a fever dream.
tim pool
You should probably film this because it's weird.
But when we have people, like when we have guests, like we hang out for kind of a bit and there's like we're playing skee-ball and video games.
luke rudkowski
Yeah, James was like, when's the next time we're all going to be hanging out?
I'm like, in the FEMA camps.
unidentified
Yep, yep, yep, that'd be fun.
luke rudkowski
He's like, oh yeah, yeah, probably.
tim pool
Vmol1 says, Bob Loblaw's law blog, lobs law bombs.
lydia smith
Oh my.
tim pool
Arrested Development, Bob Loblaw's law blog.
I also like, in 30 Rock, was it, The Rural Juror.
And then she's like, the movie she's in is called The Rural Juror.
But she keeps saying the Rural Juror.
And they're like, the Rural Juror?
The Rural Juror.
And then the sequel is Urban Fervor.
ian crossland
Urban Fervor.
tim pool
They can't figure out what they're saying.
lydia smith
I love it.
tim pool
Crimson ID says, the AP has called the existence of aliens an astronomical impossibility.
Are they gonna put a fact check on this video?
It'd be hilarious.
They're like, there are no aliens!
Don't look down the curtain.
Brewmaster Monk says, we need things to take actual effort with real trade-offs so that our activities and skills represent our personal values.
It's a sexual selection thing.
Else, we would fall into existential despair.
ian crossland
We all had everything.
Access to everything.
Existential despair.
unidentified
Maybe.
ian crossland
But then maybe we would get past it.
lydia smith
Who knows?
luke rudkowski
Video games get boring when you can do anything and everything.
tim pool
T.J.
Rainman says, Tim, I'm missing the segments on the day-to-day.
With my limited amount of time to look for news, I really value your multiple videos each day.
But what we're doing is taking segments from this show in the 6 p.m.
slot now.
So on my other channels, I'm no longer doing 6, 6.15, and 6.30, which were the short 10-minute segments.
Those are three stories.
They're shorter, but it's a lot more.
But it's research.
So, like, each story requires a certain amount of research to where it's, like, tracking down stories, comparing them, kind of fact-checking a little bit.
And then, doing three, doing six, these last three are shorter and don't, you know, it's just, I don't know.
It was the biggest burden to, like, reduce, to do the vlog.
And I just think, we gotta build culture.
Like, having that video where you, like, if we had a video where you could see James O'Keefe DJing the song.
That'd be so much fun.
It would be humanizing in a lot of ways that people don't understand about James.
They, like, these leftists have this view of him like he's some evil mustache twirling villain or something.
You just see him hanging out, like, eating potatoes.
luke rudkowski
Or one where you're playing basketball.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah.
And Luke did a bank shot off the six-foot mini ramp and got it into the hoop.
ian crossland
On your Instagram.
tim pool
That video got 70,000 views on Instagram.
That's what I'm talking about.
luke rudkowski
More pointless stuff like that.
tim pool
It's not that it's pointless.
luke rudkowski
I'm joking, I'm joking.
tim pool
The idea is, Are we connecting with the younger generation by talking about top-level politics and stuff?
Probably not.
ian crossland
Sometimes.
tim pool
Sometimes, probably not.
unidentified
We'd lose people.
tim pool
It's not about losing people.
It's about inspiring younger people to, like, we want people to understand and agree with us.
Well, we've got to approach them in a bunch of different ways.
We can't just keep talking about esoteric political issues and think they're going to know or care.
luke rudkowski
You can't berate them, and you've got to have fun doing what you're doing, and you've got to show people that side of it.
lydia smith
And I really think there's a place that Millennials and Gen Z really need friends.
I think that if you can kind of step into that and kind of be their friend.
luke rudkowski
They need role models, because they have very poor role models everywhere out there.
You look at every TV show, how they highlight and focus on a man.
unidentified
Oh, it is bad.
lydia smith
It's a mess, yeah.
tim pool
Let's see.
Jacob Diaz says, the left isn't all that opposed to the concept of borders.
They would just have them situated in a way that, a way that, a way they obstruct the individual above all else.
Geoffrey Perrine says, please consider letting me on your show.
I think I can prove the Bible.
The flood, giants, new world order, the mark.
2000 year old text that has info that at least needs to be disclosed.
I mean, that's actually pretty interesting.
luke rudkowski
Um, I would listen to it.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
I was thinking about having like a pastor or somebody.
tim pool
Yeah.
Do you want to write down Geoffrey Perrine?
Or actually should we have him, uh, do we have the public email?
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
Spin the UFO.
tim pool
Spin the UFO.
I haven't checked it in a while.
Email spintheufo at gmail.com.
lydia smith
I will check it for you.
tim pool
Ralph Misk says, check Luke, but it's like C-Z-E-C.
Hey Tim 1983 is a Polia take Orwell's 1984 on Netflix.
Okay.
Alice Beal says, Hey Tim, what if aliens also believe in God?
Like if there was an alien Jesus, which is why they are peaceful and don't like human violence.
Maybe?
Or what if they have like, what if, what if they actually have their own kind of like alien Jesus and he's called like alien, you know, Juan.
Alien Juan, yeah.
And then they come here and they're like, clearly Juan is the one true prophet of God.
And then we're like, no, it's not.
And then all the different... It's Jesus.
What if, like, what if it's a very similar religion?
Like, no, think about it.
Like, you know, we have all these shared myth, like... Mythos.
Mythos around... Worshipping the star.
And a bunch of different cultures.
What if aliens came and had the same things?
ian crossland
I bet they will.
tim pool
That'd be crazy.
Like they have a god and they have, you know, allegories.
luke rudkowski
The story of Christmas repeats culturally through many civilizations.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Logan Foster says, watch The Phenomenon.
It's a documentary about UFOs.
A recent podcast from Joe Rogan with James Fox and Jacques Vallée talked about it.
Also watch the Tom DeLonge podcast with Joe Rogan.
Interesting.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
It's too bad.
I think they've been removed from YouTube.
luke rudkowski
Tom DeLonge is one of the key people fighting for revealing information about UFOs.
He would be great.
tim pool
Yeah, it'd be cool.
I was a big fan of Blink-182 when I was a little kid.
I love Blink.
Tom, if you're listening, or if someone knows Tom, big fan, you should come on the show and talk about aliens.
lydia smith
Absolutely.
ian crossland
Let's play some music while you're here.
tim pool
Brewmaster Monk.
Oh, definitely.
Yeah, we'll jam too.
That'd be a fun vlog.
Brewmaster Monk says, what happens to a world that is dependent on matrix level tech and the tech breaks?
Are you willing to make a baby with someone who's only adapted to pushing buttons?
ian crossland
She's hot.
tim pool
That's the crazy thing.
ian crossland
I gotta get to know her first.
tim pool
No, but like, you gotta know how to survive a zombie apocalypse, man.
I can't be carrying you when the zombies are coming, right?
luke rudkowski
If we're so dependent on technology, what's going to happen if there's a solar flare and everyone has microchips in their brain?
ian crossland
Sticks and stones!
tim pool
I got a Faraday cage with a microwave inside of it and a computer inside the microwave, so I'm good.
See, in the land of the technologically addicted and a solar flare, the man with the Faraday cage cell phone is king.
luke rudkowski
Or with just skills that he learns how to be in the wild by himself.
tim pool
I'll tell you what.
You learn your survival skills.
I'll take my cell phone with solar charger, crank charger backups in my double Faraday cage.
And then when you're like, listen, I know how to catch a chicken.
I'm going to be like, I can tell you how to make gunpowder.
luke rudkowski
I will make you the chicken.
tim pool
And then I will make you the gunpowder.
luke rudkowski
In a post-apocalyptic world.
unidentified
I'll be like Alex Jones looking at you like you're my neighbor.
tim pool
Listen, listen. If the apocalypse happened and all technology got burned out and one person had
a cell phone that was like had a bunch of... Imagine it didn't even have anything downloaded
on it. It just had like stored in the RAM like some Wikipedia files. That person would be like
the most valuable person.
ian crossland
And you probably grill that person probably wouldn't tell anyone that they had it because someone would try and take it.
So did that actually happen in history?
Like you think about the cover up of Atlantis, it was lost.
So if these people really had the secrets of like agriculture, they wouldn't have told us.
tim pool
I have a good idea for a short film.
It's like a bunch of, like, kind of primitive people, and they're tracking down, like, the tree of knowledge.
You know, it's a magical device that's said to grant you the ability to understand the world.
And so they're having this big battle, and finally, they, like, make their way to the enemy fortress.
They break in, there's a war, and people are dying.
One guy finally makes it through, kicks the door in, and then there it is.
It's an iPhone.
and then you and then it like it zooms out and it's and it's actually the world they're in is like 2,000 years after the fall of civilization and the iPhone has still survived and it's all like selfies and no no no I have a picture no like it's been like it's like horribly maintained by a really old guy and there's like a solar charger on it and they're reading through like ancient knowledge and stuff lol text message I was thinking about where the main character is the cell phone And it just follows, like people get killed and the phone drops and someone else picks it up and it like, the movie follows.
And then, and then at the end, it turns out the phone was the villain the whole time.
luke rudkowski
Oh, the phone's a person.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh man.
luke rudkowski
All right.
tim pool
Let's see.
luke rudkowski
There is a high likelihood the phone will have like 200 selfies of a girl in there.
lydia smith
Yeah, no doubt.
All of them do.
tim pool
Kenrick, Kenrick Grunwald says, have you, have you ever heard of the missing 400, the 411, 411?
Or the trend of people mysteriously going missing in national parks?
Aliens.
Tito Latino says, Fence sitter, keep up the good work.
Voting in basketball arenas made for an irregular and interesting influence, plus amazing aliens.
Christmas story, the star from the Twilight Zone.
Brewmaster Monk says, the aliens are a lie.
You can tell because it's an Israeli and they're... I'm not gonna read that.
ian crossland
That was mean.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Vybent says, the entire Joe Rogan experience is on the Pirate Bay.
unidentified
There you go.
Nice.
tim pool
Paul Viter says, hey Tim, what if the aliens are the angels who were kicked out of heaven and they mean to bring about end times, as in revelations, keep culture alive?
unidentified
I don't think so.
luke rudkowski
I thought I was talking about religious people believing that aliens are actually fallen demons or angels.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
No.
luke rudkowski
That's what people believe.
I'm not saying it's true.
I'm just saying there's three kinds of belief systems when it comes to this.
tim pool
What if the Bible was just propaganda?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Seems like it is.
tim pool
Propaganda, right?
ian crossland
Like a history book, but propaganda.
luke rudkowski
Seems like there's a lot of institutional powers trying to make sure people don't believe in it.
tim pool
God won and casts Satan down to earth or whatever, or to hell or whatever.
See?
History is written by the winners.
ian crossland
Good point.
I think the angels took a bunch of, like, I think Adam, or no, no, not Adam.
Michael was one of the archangels.
And these dudes used to take a bunch of psychedelics and sit in a group and meditate.
And they started to have these group meditations where they'd be like, God is speaking to us.
And they'd be like, yes, we're all hearing it.
We're all seeing it.
But the voice would come through Michael and he would be like, I'm speaking God.
And then they became like this cult.
And then Lucifer was like, these guys are out of their minds.
Let me talk to the plebes and give them the power of all this.
And they were like, no, he's a bad guy.
Lucifer, stop.
And then they created a war and there's all this.
luke rudkowski
There are theories out there that religion was brought by a lot of mushrooms.
So that's a theory.
tim pool
With that being said, we have now gone from aliens exist, there's military weapons wiping everybody out, and then Joe Rogan's leaving YouTube.
And then finally, people are taking mushrooms and creating a religion.
Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
Make sure to follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, at TimCast.
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And if you haven't already, no, seriously, go check us out there and subscribe because if you miss the show, you can watch it there.
But we also do put up clips throughout the day, the day after the show.
So you actually get, you know, clips from the show on each individual segments, which a lot of people tend to watch more than the show.
But Luke, thanks for hanging out.
You can follow Luke, of course.
luke rudkowski
I am still kidnapped here for now.
We'll see what happens.
You can find my work on youtube.com forward slash we are change.
We are change on YouTube.
Luke, we are change on Twitter and Instagram.
tim pool
Right on.
And there's some other people in the room, I guess.
ian crossland
Oh, holler!
Follow me all over the internet at Ian Crossland.
And hey, Luke, before we go, tell me a little bit about your merchandise and where I can buy.
luke rudkowski
Nice to meet you.
Teesprings.com forward slash store forward slash we are change and you can get shirts like the one I'm wearing right now that says make Orwell fiction again.
lydia smith
I love it.
tim pool
There you go.
And of course you can follow at Sour Patch Lids.
lydia smith
You can you can follow me Sour Patch Lids L Y D S on Twitter if you want to.
I don't know why you would want to but I am there.
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