Dec. 10, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
02:27:13
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| You My friends | ||
| Texas filed this Hail Mary lawsuit directly to the Supreme Court saying that they have | ||
| original jurisdiction for disputes between states and And immediately, many of these pro-Biden, many Democrat-leaning legal experts and analysts started saying, it's ridiculous, it's never gonna happen. | ||
| You know, we had CNN running a segment. | ||
| And then a couple other states voiced their support, saying they're getting behind Texas. | ||
| My friends, it's up to 17 states now issuing this challenge. | ||
| A third of the country questioning the results of this election. | ||
| And they're essentially saying this should be overturned and Trump should win. | ||
| Because the argument is really just four states violated the Electors Clause of the Constitution. | ||
| Therefore, the state should choose, the state legislature should choose. | ||
| The state legislature are Republicans. | ||
| This would mean I guess it's very simply a Trump victory. | ||
| So this is breaking news. | ||
| We've got a lot of information coming out about this. | ||
| We also have Trump asking Ted Cruz to argue the case, and the Supreme Court might not even take it. | ||
| So we're going to talk about this. | ||
| We've got a bunch of other things to talk about. | ||
| We've got stuff about, I guess, Pope Francis backing the Great Reset. | ||
| And we have a new autonomous zone emerging. | ||
| We all know how much everyone loved the LARP farm at the original autonomous zone. | ||
| But this should be a real interesting show because we actually have a great guest, Jen Perlman, who is—you're progressive, yes? | ||
| I am progressive. | ||
| You ran as a Democrat against Debbie Wasserman Schultz. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| Very anti-establishment, though. | ||
| I am anti-establishment. | ||
| I mean, the only reason I ran as a Democrat is that's the only way to do it where I live, all right? | ||
| I am with them by name, all right? | ||
| So this isn't like a—it's not my philosophy. | ||
| It's nothing establishment. | ||
| But I am for policies. | ||
| I am for whatever is going to create a better collective. | ||
| And the best way for me to do that, where I live, is unfortunately through the party. | ||
| That's just the way it is. | ||
| I mean, the same is true for Trump. | ||
| He's not a Republican in the way these other Republicans have been, but he used the party. | ||
| And same thing for Bernie Sanders, too. | ||
| So this will be interesting, too. | ||
| We were having a lot of really great conversations before the show even started and, you know, anti-woke, I guess. | ||
| Is that fair to say? | ||
| Yeah, I am anti-woke. | ||
| That's a problem because I think a lot of people that probably listen to you have this vision of the left, the woke left. | ||
| And I feel like I need to represent the actual left and let you know that that woke left is not us. | ||
| Fighting for legitimacy. | ||
| Who is the real left? | ||
| I'm left on policy. | ||
| So when you want to say who's the real left, the people that are fighting for a $15 minimum wage, Medicare for all, getting out of the regime change wars, the people that are standing up for what would be the Labor Party, which is non-existent. | ||
| So that's the actual left. | ||
| The people that are the Democrats, that's not the left. | ||
| No, they're weird, corporate. | ||
| They are, at best, center. | ||
| Like, if you were to take a typical, you know, centrist Democrat in any other country, that's not the left. | ||
| Maybe the better way to put it is the Democrats just say whatever they think will get them the most votes. | ||
| Well, that's for sure. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's for sure. | ||
| And the candidates do it too. | ||
| Many Republicans, like most of them actually. | ||
| So we'll jump into a lot, and we'll talk about the news, and then we'll get into a bunch of policy stuff. | ||
| It'll be fun. | ||
| We also have Luke Rudkowski, who lives here now, I guess, so he's on the show. | ||
| In your parking lot. | ||
| Hi. | ||
| My political ideology most aligns with Ron Swanson on steroids, and I run wearechanged.org. | ||
| Thanks for having me on. | ||
| Or probably Ron Paul. | ||
| Well, it depends. | ||
| You put a picture of Ron Paul on my Christmas tree. | ||
| He's a star and an angel. | ||
| I like him. | ||
| I like him. | ||
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Wow. | |
| No, he is where we meet on the other end. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I mean, Ron Paul's awesome. | ||
| Everyone we've had on the show agrees. | ||
| It's interesting, too, because I lean left on a lot of policy issues, but I think Ron Paul's great because he's a libertarian, you know? | ||
| Ian's chillin' in the wonderful... Repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. | ||
| Preach, yes. | ||
| Was it Jekyll Island, is that what it's called? | ||
| Yeah, where they wrote it up, yeah. | ||
| Woodrow Wilson. | ||
| Lydia is producing. | ||
| Yeah, I'm trying to give you guys a sneak peek, sorry about that. | ||
| Okay, so if you haven't already, smash the like button, subscribe to Notification Bell, live Monday through Friday at 8pm, thanks for hanging out. | ||
| This is going to be interesting, we're going to have a conversation about what's going on with Trump in this election. | ||
| I have this story from Reuters. | ||
| Check this out. | ||
| Trump and 17 states back Texas bid to undo his election loss at the Supreme Court. | ||
| Reuters reports, President Donald Trump and 17 U.S. | ||
| states on Wednesday threw their support behind a long-shot lawsuit by Texas seeking to overturn his election loss by asking the U.S. | ||
| Supreme Court to throw out the voting results in four states. | ||
| Trump defeated by President-elect Joe Biden in the November 3rd election, filed a motion with the court asking the nine justices to let him intervene and become a plaintiff in the suit filed on Tuesday by Republican-governed Texas against Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin. | ||
| If the justices let Trump join the lawsuit, it would create the extraordinary circumstance of a sitting U.S. | ||
| president asking the top court to decide that the millions of votes cast in the four states did not count. | ||
| The Republican president lost to Biden in the four election battleground states after winning them in the 2016 election. | ||
| Writing on Twitter, Trump said, this is the big one. | ||
| Our country needs a victory. | ||
| In a separate brief, lawyers for 17 states led by Missouri's Republican Attorney General Eric Schmidt also urged the justices to hear the case. | ||
| Election law experts have said the Texas lawsuit stands little chance of success and lacks legal merit. | ||
| And I will add as well, We actually had a Trump-supporting lawyer on the show, Will Chamberlain, the other day, who also didn't think it was going to make it. | ||
| So, take that with a grain of salt. | ||
| I know a lot of people are excited by this, and I think, outside of that, there's political ramifications as to why I think they will end up taking this, but I'm not a lawyer. | ||
| Reuters goes on to say, the lawsuit, the latest in a series of election challenges brought by Trump's campaign and supporters that, so far, have failed in numerous courts, was brought by Ken Paxton, the Republican Attorney General of Texas and an ally of the President. | ||
| Here we go. | ||
| In addition to Missouri, the states joining Texas were Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, and West Virginia. | ||
| All of the states were represented by Republican officials in the filing. | ||
| All but three of the states have Republican governors. | ||
| They go on to say Trump has made false statements, etc, etc, but I think we got the gist of the story. | ||
| And I'm just gonna say, I wouldn't be surprised if the other Republican states, of which I think by state houses we have, what, 29 states that are Republican? | ||
| I don't see why they all wouldn't sign on either, except I think, you know, uh, the states that are actually being sued who are Republican as well. | ||
| So that means there's 25 states that could potentially sign on supporting this lawsuit. | ||
| Now, as of right now, my understanding is they've just filed for leave, which means they're asking permission to sue. | ||
| We'll see if it happens, but, um, this is kind of crazy. | ||
| The president is joining Republican states suing four states that went for Biden in order to win the election. | ||
| Is this civil war? | ||
| It's not civil war, but this is one third of the United States saying that they are contesting the election. | ||
| This is significant and we'll see how it plays out in the Supreme Court. | ||
| A lot of people have their different opinions on this, but this shows you how this country is divided and how this divide is going to keep growing. | ||
| Very bad. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I mean, it's, you know, look, years ago I was talking about the violence in the streets, Antifa, Proud Boys and stuff, and people were saying, you know, I was like, I feel like we're on the trajectory for a civil war. | ||
| I feel like it's possible because you have growing tribal factions, you have the culture war, which became political when it reached, you know, politicians. | ||
| Then we started seeing, you know, populist left, populist right getting into positions, federal positions, getting elected. | ||
| So now it's in government, now it's in the presidency, now it's in the Supreme Court, and now you have the states lining up. | ||
| This is crazy. | ||
| Earlier today, I was like, when you have five states, you know, lining up against four states, we're starting to see the states draw those lines. | ||
| This to me is nuts. | ||
| If 17 states are basically saying Joe Biden shouldn't be president, what happens if Joe Biden becomes president? | ||
| How are these states going to function? | ||
| We also had the Oath Keepers, the largest militia in the country. | ||
| Their founder said, what's his name? | ||
| Rhodes. | ||
| Stuart Rhodes. | ||
| He said that half the country will not view anything out of Joe Biden's mouth as legitimate, that he's not the president. | ||
| So this is getting spicy. | ||
| Well, there's going to be a lot of Tenth Amendment arguments and a lot of sheriffs and a lot of local politicians kind of trying to stand their ground. | ||
| And we're going to have another big battle, as we've seen under the Bill Clinton presidency, between the states and the big federal government, where we saw large incidences like Waco and Ruby Ridge. | ||
| I mean, a lot of people are talking about the worst of the worst. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| Some people are trying to be more pragmatic, saying maybe it won't be that bad. | ||
| Just from your kind of expertise politically, how do you see these things moving forward? | ||
| Because some people are saying there's going to be a big clash. | ||
| There's going to be a big fight. | ||
| Some people are saying, well, no one's really going to care. | ||
| Everyone's going to go back to normal. | ||
| How do you see it from your kind of political expertise? | ||
| I think that right now everybody is anticipating the worst possible scenario. | ||
| I think, first of all, it's very fear-based thinking, and that's something that we all like to do. | ||
| I think people are very into their labels. | ||
| They're very into teams. | ||
| This is very tribalist. | ||
| And so people are sort of doubling down. | ||
| Now, do those same people have the actual, you know, wherewithal to follow up with that, to actually do something? | ||
| Does this actually go anywhere? | ||
| Does this hit the streets? | ||
| Does this become... I don't know. | ||
| Like, I don't think so. | ||
| I think that depending on what happens with this legally will kind of determine where it goes. | ||
| And yet there's going to always be a contingency of people that are going to say this is illegitimate. | ||
| Well, you voted for Biden. | ||
| I did. | ||
| Not proud of it. | ||
| Not proud of it. | ||
| And again, it's one of those things like I am not the person that's going to stand here and argue for that. | ||
| It wasn't... I could just as easily have not. | ||
| I went back and forth. | ||
| It wasn't... This was not an easy choice. | ||
| It's not something I'm proud of. | ||
| I didn't vote for Trump or Hillary in 2016. | ||
| I didn't either. | ||
| And I think it's because on policy issues, I lean left. | ||
| On a lot of policy issues. | ||
| So did you go... I voted Green in 2016. | ||
| I voted for Trump. | ||
| Oh, in 2016, I didn't vote. | ||
| I put my feet up on the desk. | ||
| I was hanging out. | ||
| Do you know Cassandra Fairbanks? | ||
| No. | ||
| She's still a Trump supporter, right? | ||
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Oh, yeah. | |
| But, uh, I was hanging out with her. | ||
| She used to, she was a progressive like that, I think that year, right? | ||
| 2016. | ||
| And then she flipped because I think a lot of, because of the wokeness. | ||
| She, it went from her being as big activists, supporting progressive causes and social justice issues to being attacked because I guess they call her passing white, even though she's, you know, part Puerto Rican or whatever. | ||
| So she ends up becoming a Trump supporter. | ||
| I'm hanging out with her. | ||
| I put my feet up on a desk. | ||
| I'm just laughing. | ||
| As, as the results come in, seeing Hillary Clinton lose, it was like, it was comeuppance for the democratic party for the dirty games they played. | ||
| Oh, I never supported her. | ||
| There was no universe when I was voting for Hillary Clinton. | ||
| That wasn't happening. | ||
| I mean, it really came down to for me in that election, I voted green. | ||
| I'm always, as opposed to abstaining, you know, any support of third parties, if we can get third parties to get 5%. | ||
| So really, that was, and you know, Jill Stein was fine. | ||
| Like I didn't, you know. | ||
| If I could ask you, what was the determining factor that made you vote for Biden but not for Hillary? | ||
| What was that decision? | ||
| Because it's interesting to really deep dive into these things and understand what went behind this. | ||
| Okay, so like I said, I am about the policies. | ||
| I despise both of those people in terms of policy. | ||
| I have no delusion about Joe Biden. | ||
| Really, what it came down to for me was when Trump basically signaled to the Proud Boys—and again, it's theater and it's hyperbole. | ||
| I'm not saying like, oh, he hurt my feelings. | ||
| This isn't that. | ||
| I'm not those people. | ||
| And when he indicated that he wouldn't support a peaceful transition of power. | ||
| And that is a problem for me because there's something I do believe in is our Constitution. | ||
| So I take that seriously. | ||
| So when it comes to a lot of things, I am very live and let live. | ||
| The fact that he was seemingly to me directly threatening basically the foundation of the what is our process. | ||
| That was not OK with me. | ||
| I never it was never about Joe Biden. | ||
| Don't you think Hillary Clinton did that and the Democrats did that? | ||
| I know you're not a big fan of the establishment politicians, but you know, for four years, I guess the argument from the right is for four years, they accused Trump of literally being an agent of Russia. | ||
| They spent $30 million doing this investigation, which turned out nothing. | ||
| They ended up going after, I think the prosecution of Michael Flynn is nightmarish when you look at all the details. | ||
| And then so Trump basically is like, why am I going to give them the courtesy that they didn't give me? | ||
| I agree, but this is one of those whataboutism things, right? | ||
| So I'm, as an adult, I am dealing with what I have in front of me right now. | ||
| I have never supported Hillary Clinton. | ||
| I find her despicable for so many reasons. | ||
| Like, I could write a dissertation. | ||
| I wonder if everyone's cheering in the chat right now, like, Hillary's awful, everybody hates her. | ||
| No, she's horrible. | ||
| She's a horrible person. | ||
| I think we all agree on that. | ||
| Yeah, no, she is a horrible person. | ||
| I find her infinitely more nefarious than I find Joe Biden. | ||
| I find him more hapless. | ||
| I find him just, he's just a tool. | ||
| He's an establishment tool. | ||
| I find Hillary to be quite nefarious. | ||
| But Kamala Harris is the actual candidate. | ||
| Kamala is Hillary. | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| So you voted for Kamala. | ||
| I didn't. | ||
| And I plan on spending the next four years of my life, like, making sure that there's a really decent primary challenge. | ||
| I mean, I and I have been very clear that there is no universe. | ||
| See, for the same reason I find Hillary nefarious, I find Kamala nefarious. | ||
| I don't find Joe Biden nefarious. | ||
| And if he's the pause button, like I view him as the pause button. | ||
| Well, we still need to get our stuff in order. | ||
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The ship, the ship. | |
| We have to right our ship. | ||
| But we do, and it's a serious problem. | ||
| So no, and I don't see him as solving anything. | ||
| But I think, come on, Joe Biden's on the way out. | ||
| I'm not trying to be mean or anything, but Nancy Pelosi, you know, created that commission or whatever of presidents. | ||
| Also on her way out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, yeah, I certainly hope so. | ||
| I can't believe that she keeps winning. | ||
| But anyway, she creates this commission about removing a president if they're not cognitively fit or whatever. | ||
| And everyone's like, you're trying to get rid of Trump. | ||
| And she goes, no, no, it's for a future president. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| They're wanting to install Kamala. | ||
| That's that's been their goal for the past four years. | ||
| They were sticking her there one way or the other. | ||
| I mean, Biden even talked about I won't. | ||
| I can't even say that I wouldn't necessarily. | ||
| I really can't say again like when I made that decision. | ||
| This is not something where I'm again like I wish I could tell you I defend that and this. | ||
| I don't. | ||
| I really don't. | ||
| It really could have been a coin toss on the day that I did it. | ||
| You know I don't. | ||
| I hear you saying I've met a lot of people. | ||
| One of the stories I tell a lot is I was in I went on Glenn Beck's show. | ||
| I was in Texas. | ||
| Where is he in Austin or something. | ||
| And I was in an Uber on the way to the studio and the guy was driving was the child of immigrants. | ||
| He asked me what I was doing. | ||
| I said I was going to Glenn Beck. | ||
| And he's like, oh, yeah, yeah, politics and stuff like that. | ||
| And he's like, so you're a Trump supporter? | ||
| At the time, I was like, no, no, I think the media lies about him. | ||
| I don't think he's that bad, but I'm not. | ||
| And he was like, yeah, he said I voted for him. | ||
| And, you know, man, I just wish he would stop talking and stop tweeting the way he does, because it's like it's hard to defend sometimes, you know. | ||
| And I'm like, this is a regular guy who's driving Uber who likes the president but is having an issue with the | ||
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Yeah. | |
| president's character and the things he says, particularly around like, you know, we'll see what happens with the | ||
| election and stuff. | ||
| I personally don't think it was the most bombastic thing he said in terms of we'll see how it plays out. | ||
| You know, not a peaceful transition or whatever. | ||
| We'll sue. And now it's certainly not a, a, well, I don't know if it's you can't call it peaceful. | ||
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It's not smooth. | |
| It's going through the courts or whatever. | ||
| We don't know yet. | ||
| The truth is we don't know what's going to happen come, you know, what is it, January 21st? | ||
| I'm kind of scared. | ||
| I don't think there's a way out. | ||
| I don't think, look. | ||
| Well, he keeps building the fence higher. | ||
| Well, oh yeah, but that's a meme too. | ||
| The wall just got two feet higher. | ||
| Joe Biden's son is now, they're announcing this, what is this, that they've said that he's under tax investigation? | ||
| I mean, there's so much there, and it's crazy that this story broke. | ||
| Of course it was an October surprise, and Twitter suppresses it, Facebook suppresses it, the big news outlets won't cover it. | ||
| And now we get this video, I don't know if you saw the video where there's a Chinese professor, Di Dongsheng, where he basically said, the Bidens are compromised. | ||
| And he was like, who do you think got Hunter Biden all that money? | ||
| So I look at, you know, Donald Trump and I see the peace agreements that have come through in the past several months. | ||
| I like it. | ||
| He's trying to withdraw the troops from Afghanistan and he's being blocked by both Democrats and Republicans. | ||
| I don't like the establishment. | ||
| And my congressperson couldn't get behind that. | ||
| So I understand that. | ||
| And that's somebody with a nice big D behind her name. | ||
| She couldn't support withdrawing from Afghanistan. | ||
| Why? | ||
| She couldn't even get behind reducing the Pentagon budget by 10%. | ||
| This is Debbie Wasserman Schultz. | ||
| Oh, she's awful. | ||
| She's Hillary Junior. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| So, you know, when people start looking at the letters, I would urge them to look at the policy choices. | ||
| I am actually fearful that a Joe Biden presidency is, yeah, he's hapless, but he's going to sell us out. | ||
| Like the Obama administration, you're familiar with the Trans-Pacific Partnership, I'd imagine. | ||
| Yes, I know the TPP. | ||
| And I imagine you're opposed to it. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But Joe Biden's going to bring us all back into that stuff. | ||
| Of course. | ||
| But I also think, and I hope, that he gets us back into the Iran deal. | ||
| Because for the same reasons that I was applauding Trump in terms of when he was going into North Korea, and of course the Democrats were all, you know, they were trying, they attack him from the right all the time. | ||
| It's infuriating. | ||
| We'll see. | ||
| As the true left, because I'm the left, we don't like that. | ||
| They're going to Tulsi Gabbard you. | ||
| You're attacking him for the sake of attacking him. | ||
| You're attacking him on a few things that we might actually come to agreement on. | ||
| And so I do like the idea of getting back into the Iran deal. | ||
| That is something that I support. | ||
| So you know he in the similar way was going to undo everything Obama did. | ||
| They're going to Tulsi Gabbard you. | ||
| Call you right wing and all this stuff. | ||
| They can't except for my policy speak to the complete left. | ||
| They don't care! | ||
| Well, you know, I guess it depends on who you say are they. | ||
| Who's they? | ||
| The media establishment and the Democratic establishment. | ||
| They ignore me anyway. | ||
| The truth is, and here's, you want to know if something ever was going to protect me? | ||
| Is that what benefits Debbie Wasserman Schultz best is if I'm completely ghosted. | ||
| If my name comes up and I come up, then that's going to draw attention to that race, to that district, to her, and that never benefits her. | ||
| So I am more at risk of being completely ghosted than I am of being trashed. | ||
| Luke once yelled at Debbie Wasserman Schultz. | ||
| Yes, we asked her some very serious questions about Obama's kill list, which she told me face-to-face didn't exist. | ||
| This was big news, though, because everyone knew it existed. | ||
| The New York Times said it existed. | ||
| Obama was signing off every Tuesday on who they were going to kill, and then she's like, that's not a real thing. | ||
| And everybody was like, whoa, she's lying. | ||
| And she was the head of the DNC, and she of course, and people forget, she had to resign in disgrace from the DNC. | ||
| Oh, but our district re-elected her. | ||
| Yes, and then Hillary Clinton took her under her claws right afterwards and literally brought her in. | ||
| Claws with a W or AU. | ||
| I'm not even going to get in there. | ||
| Brought her in and gave her a job right away. | ||
| She's protected. | ||
| Deputy Washington Shultz isn't a fan of mine either, but there's a lot to learn from each other. | ||
| It's interesting to see this kind of duplicity. | ||
| One side wants a peace deal with North Korea, but doesn't want one with Iran. | ||
| The other side is completely the opposite. | ||
| That's just because they're trying to undo each other. | ||
| Why can't we just have a peaceful, non-interventionist American foreign policy, which every President keeps promising us George W Bush Barack Obama, you know, it's popular Trump. | ||
| No, it's popular. | ||
| It's the military industrial, right? | ||
| Right, right. | ||
| They're all beholden. | ||
| But why do they keep campaigning on it? | ||
| We're gonna end these forever war because they know that that is what's popular. | ||
| Yeah, for sure. | ||
| People don't want to be in George W. Bush promised to be a non-interventionist president. | ||
| So did Barack Obama. | ||
| So did Donald Trump. | ||
| Donald Trump, I mean, there's an argument to make here because he's quasi-globalist, quasi-nationalist. | ||
| But he's the only one that hasn't started a war out of all. | ||
| That's very true. | ||
| And he broke the long time cycle for decades now of starting a new war, which does have to be kind of looked at, even though he kind of came close to it with Iran. | ||
| You're the perfect example of, I think, why Trump supporters need to do better outreach to the left, because there's probably, there's a lot you've praised Trump for. | ||
| I, you know what, I see him, no, because I don't just hate him because I hate him, right? | ||
| Like, I don't have that. | ||
| Look, I'm not a Republican. | ||
| I don't generally support their policies. | ||
| I don't support their platform. | ||
| I'm about policy, right? | ||
| So their policies are not, do not speak to me. | ||
| Um, but I don't just slam him for just because to slam him, but he also did the same thing with the Obama stuff. | ||
| He went and tried to just undo everything Obama did just to stick it to him. | ||
| So what you're dealing with is a massive amount of man, baby egos. | ||
| And now Biden's going to do the same thing, but I was going to wonder. | ||
| No, Joe Biden is going to be put in his wheelchair, wheeled into the sunroom with a blanket on his lap, and he's going to fall asleep. | ||
| Globalist, whatever. | ||
| He's the front man, he's the suit man. | ||
| But I was going to ask you, what qualities of Donald Trump did you like? | ||
| I like that he's anti-establishment. | ||
| I like that he's not part of the machine. | ||
| Now, he is part of his whole own machine. | ||
| He is absolutely part of what I would consider to be the oligarchic class. | ||
| He is definitely part of that level of corporate establishment. | ||
| He is definitely of the haves and not the have-nots. | ||
| His interests are definitely not the same as the interests of the majority of people that I would say I would represent as a constituency. | ||
| So he is not somebody that I would support, but the things that most people dislike about him generally don't bother | ||
| me. | ||
| I don't care about his mean tweets. I don't care about his ridiculous nonsense. | ||
| But what that does do is it distracts people for the same reason we're talking about the wrestling thing. | ||
| And there are people that don't see it as hyperbolic. | ||
| And that concerns me. | ||
| And they weren't talking about real issues. | ||
| They were talking about ice cream, toilet paper, Russiagate. | ||
| Meanwhile, distracting us from the real, actual issues. | ||
| The banksters, the corporatism. | ||
| None of that was discussed at all. | ||
| You could have legitimately had some real criticism against Donald Trump, but you never had that at all. | ||
| No, my issues with him are policy-based. | ||
| And when he's done things that I haven't found objectionable, I've always been pretty vocal about. | ||
| I've never pretended that I don't hate him. | ||
| And that has actually gotten me a lot of crap. | ||
| That's okay, right? | ||
| That has gotten me a lot. | ||
| From the left that you're speaking of, and the establishment, and specifically in our district. | ||
| Because I don't hate him enough. | ||
| You know what I've noticed? | ||
| A lot of the leftists, like the non-woke ones, refer to the woke left as the neolibs, neoliberals. | ||
| And then on the right they just say the left or leftists. | ||
| And I'd like for people to understand there is a big difference. | ||
| I feel like as somebody who's the actual left, we are fighting a war on two fronts, right? | ||
| Like we're fighting, and we actually spend more time fighting our own people. | ||
| We don't have to fight Republicans. | ||
| We can't get past our own selves. | ||
| And so the people that are the actual, and we're constantly being viewed by people like | ||
| you're probably a lot of your audience as the same. | ||
| No, we're not the same, right? | ||
| Like, very nuanced. | ||
| To an extent, I would say yes. | ||
| But I think Trump, a lot of Trump supporters really like the anti-woke, anti-establishment left, you know, people like Jimmy Dore, for instance, or people like you, actually. | ||
| So if you come out and say, before I start this conversation, I want to say two things. | ||
| And I'm not saying this literally, I'm just saying this figuratively. | ||
| I'm on the left, but I think Hillary Clinton is completely despicable. | ||
| They're going to be like, OK, OK, let's have a conversation. | ||
| We can start from there, right? | ||
| We agree on the establishment being awful. | ||
| Yeah, well, because what we're talking about now is you're talking about literal politics. | ||
| And that's a circus to me. | ||
| I'm concerned about policy. | ||
| This is the kind of conversation I think is the biggest threat to the establishment. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| They don't want us all being friends. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Oh, I know. | ||
| So it's really funny when I see, you know, Jimmy Dore, who's very left on a lot of issues. | ||
| He was tweeting about Medicare for all and things like that. | ||
| And the criticisms he has of the Democrats, same as me, same as probably everybody in this room. | ||
| And that's bad for the machine. | ||
| I think Trump ran as a Republican because it was his path to entry. | ||
| Same as many progressives run as Democrats as their path to entry. | ||
| But Trump does not function the same way the establishment machine did. | ||
| It was Democrats and Republicans, they were the same thing. | ||
| Trump got in, and he put a boot to the behind of many of these people, and so you saw the Never-Trumpers flee to the Democratic Party. | ||
| All of a sudden, now we have these... Which isn't a stretch, though. | ||
| And that's the thing that we need to be very clear on, because the Democratic Party is basically very moderate. | ||
| They're the same thing. | ||
| Yeah, they are. | ||
| They're corporate. | ||
| I think they pretend to have issues they care about. | ||
| They'll tell you, oh, you're a Republican? | ||
| I'm pro-life just like you! | ||
| And then they'll sell you out at a moment's notice. | ||
| The Democrats will tell you they're for your policy and then ignore you as soon as they get elected. | ||
| So Trump gets in, and it's amazing to see the Lincoln Project, right, these Republicans, all of a sudden supporting Democrat candidates. | ||
| And I'm like, you're not Republicans, you're not conservatives, you're not, you're just, I call them the keys to the castle Democrats, or keys to the castle politicians. | ||
| Give me the keys, I'll say whatever you want to say, and then I'm going to go inside, lock the door, and just take the money and do whatever I want. | ||
| That's where we're at for the most part. | ||
| Corporatists. | ||
| That's what they all are. | ||
| That's the common denominator. | ||
| They all work for the same employer. | ||
| If you were to follow the money trail from all these people, and while Trump has not been a traditional Republican, he has towed that line, too. | ||
| He has definitely fallen in line with what I refer to as what I call the deep state. | ||
| You think he has? | ||
| I think that he has not pulled us out of the wars that he has said he was going to pull us out of. | ||
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Why? | |
| Well, hold on, hold on. | ||
| You know that— And I mean continuously. | ||
| He first started with the, we're going to get out of Syria. | ||
| And then that never happened. | ||
| But you know that was because he was lied to. | ||
| So this is a story that came out from Defense One. | ||
| A federal official bragged about lying to Trump and the American people about how many troops we had in Syria in order to inflate the number so Trump couldn't pull them out. | ||
| Okay, so let me then just say this. | ||
| The buck stops with him. | ||
| So whatever the reason is that led him to where he is, that's where we are, right? | ||
| So he's had- He did hire Bolton. | ||
| He hired John Bolton. | ||
| I rag on that all the time. | ||
| But you know, not like Pompeo as much. | ||
| Gina Haspel. | ||
| I mean, these are not people- Well, he's trying to fire her! | ||
| How many people did he kill in his escalated drone war? | ||
| How many people did Trump kill? | ||
| We don't know because they stopped the reporting. | ||
| So no new wars, but he killed countless people with drones. | ||
| The Trump administration stopped the accountability and the counting of the drone strikes, so we don't know. | ||
| So he did get us in a new war. | ||
| It was a drone war. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| He just escalated. | ||
| He escalated the drone war. | ||
| Yes, but my understanding is that was under Bolton. | ||
| That was under Trump. | ||
| No, no. | ||
| So when he hired Bolton, Bolton was like, we're going to blow everything up. | ||
| Yeah, but again, buck stops where? | ||
| It's true. | ||
| No, Trump hired a bunch of dumb people and he's come to regret it. | ||
| Now Bolton's throwing him under the bus. | ||
| I hear it from a lot of Trump supporters who have said, Trump, who was it who said this? | ||
| Trump should have done the one thing he's famous for, fire people. | ||
| He didn't do it. | ||
| Well, and so that to me was him basically paying homage Yes! | ||
| to the military industrial complex and the establishment and that is it. Look he's had | ||
| three years and but I will tell you this I had a very big moment where I actually turned to my | ||
| television while he was speaking by myself and I said thank you sir for your good candor because | ||
| he actually made a comment as to we were in Syria for the oil. Yes. And I remember he said it in | ||
| like mid-sentence I turned around like thank you thank you for that. But | ||
| But I kind of feel like, you know, Trump tried to remove all of our troops out of Syria, and Democrats and Republicans revolted. | ||
| He tried to remove all of our troops from Afghanistan, and Democrats and Republicans blocked him. | ||
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Yes. | |
| So I kind of felt like when he said, he said two things. | ||
| He's coming out of the White House, there's a helicopter, you know, noise, and they're like, you know, how's it going? | ||
| And he goes, we got a really great deal. | ||
| We're going to sell Saudi Arabia tons of weapons, make billions of dollars. | ||
| Kid picture. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Remember that? | ||
| He had pictures of the airplanes. | ||
| All of the anti-war progressives' jaws dropped and they're like, he just said it. | ||
| I was so pleased. | ||
| He just admitted. | ||
| I know, I was laughing. | ||
| I was clapping for it. | ||
| I was so pleased. | ||
| Well, I mean, I thought the pictures, the ABAs was a little over the top. | ||
| But like, well, it was sort of like how a little kid would draw, demonstrate, this is what we're doing. | ||
| I feel like he's doing it on purpose because, so when he said that we're keeping 200 troops in Syria, they're guarding the oil, it's great. | ||
| I was so pleased. | ||
| But they blocked him and they lied to him. | ||
| I wonder if Trump was like, all right, I'm going to tell everybody exactly why we had to keep these troops in here, because he wants to get them out. | ||
| See, I think that any president that actually really does go to do that, I don't think makes it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's, and that's just, see, I think that anybody that were to really threaten the existence of our military industrial complex wouldn't, wouldn't live. | ||
| That's just me. | ||
| I mean, I just, and the only president that I know of that has done that got, got dead. | ||
| The problem is they live at the White House, right in the belly of the beast. | ||
| They'd have to go to Russia under the protection of some foreign country if they were going to defy the CIA. | ||
| But then someone would step in and say, aha, he fled, he's illegitimate, we're taking control. | ||
| It's still the only way to survive if you're going to go against the I think Trump was really naive when he first got elected. | ||
| He assumed that he was in charge and he was going to be able to play ball with these establishment crony individuals. | ||
| And they put so many knives in that man's back. | ||
| But that's the nature of the game. | ||
| That's that job. | ||
| He wasn't expecting to win. | ||
| I mean, I don't think he really wanted that job. | ||
| I think he was doing it because they basically threatened him that you can't do it. | ||
| He's like, I'm going to show you. | ||
| I would say one of the most important things that Trump did when he did first go into office is he stopped arming the rebels inside of Syria, whether it was ISIS, al-Nusra, al-Qaeda. | ||
| We do have to give him credit for that because Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, they were running the same protocol that they ran in Libya. | ||
| overturn, you know, give all the jihadis as much money, as much weapons as we can, | ||
| let's overthrow the government. Donald Trump stopped that. | ||
| He did have a limited recent withdrawal of Afghanistan and Somalia, but again, | ||
| very limited, but we have to look at this at the greater context of American | ||
| geopolitics with Saudi Arabia, especially with the Saudi U.S. | ||
| coalition conducting their warfare on Yemen right now, which is literally creating the worst humanitarian crisis in the world. | ||
| See, I can tell you something. | ||
| He could do two things that would get me to sing his praises and actually be like a real supporter, okay? | ||
| Right? | ||
| He could stop arming the Saudis, right? | ||
| He could stop. | ||
| He could do that. | ||
| And he can pardon Julian Assange. | ||
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There you go. | |
| He definitely needs to pardon. | ||
| I think he's going to pardon Assange. | ||
| I hope so. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| That could be his legacy. | ||
| Honestly, if he did, you know, on the one hand, I think he could, but then on the other hand, I'm like, but what's in it for him? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, a lot of people... Well, let's do this story. | ||
| Let's read this one. | ||
| This is from just the other day. | ||
| Check this out. | ||
| Trump plots mass pardons, even to people not asking. | ||
| Okay, Ben. | ||
| Axios reports President Trump isn't just accepting pardon requests, but blindly discussing them, quote, like Christmas gifts to people who haven't even asked. | ||
| Sources with direct knowledge of the conversation told Axios. | ||
| Now, I don't know who their sources are, nor do I trust them for the most part, but let's keep reading. | ||
| Behind the scenes, Trump recently told one advisor he was going to pardon every person who ever talked to me, suggesting an even larger pardon blitz to come. | ||
| As with most Trump conversations, the advisor wasn't sure how seriously to take the president, although Trump gave no indication he was joking. | ||
| The president relishes his unilateral authority to issue get-out-of-jail-free cards lately. | ||
| Lately, though, he's been soliciting recipients, asking friends and advisors who they think he should pardon, Julian Assange. | ||
| Trump has also interrupted conversations to spontaneously suggest that he add the person he's speaking with to his pardon list. | ||
| The offers haven't always been welcome. | ||
| One source felt awkward because the president was clearly trying to be helpful, but the advisor didn't believe they'd committed any crimes. | ||
| The advisor also believed being on the list could hurt their public persona. | ||
| The White House declined to comment. | ||
| Trump argues the preemptive pardons may be necessary because the Biden administration will target his former aides, the sources say. | ||
| President-elect Biden has said he doesn't want to pursue the Trump team, and he has vowed an apolitical Justice Department. | ||
| As Axios first reported, Trump's decision to pardon Michael Flynn set the template for a wave of pardons to friends and loyalists. | ||
| One senior administration official said the practice has since expanded, with pardons being discussed like Christmas gifts. | ||
| The White House pardon system doesn't entirely consist of the President's free-wheeling offers. | ||
| White House attorneys are working through a more traditional process. | ||
| Even if it doesn't cover every person Trump has discussed, a source familiar with the process says, I'll tell you what, I want Trump to pardon almost everybody. | ||
| Non-violent drug offenders? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| We need to review because people in the chat made a really, really good point when we first asked this. | ||
| There could be people who are violent who pled down, pleaded down to like lesser charges. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So there could be like a murder, you know, so, uh, but nonviolent drug offenses, Trump should just be like, give me a, a rubber stamp and I will just go boom, boom, boom, boom. | ||
| Julian Assange of course. | ||
| I think, um, my, my view on Julian Assange's pardon, 100% do it. | ||
| My view on Edward Snowden's pardon is like 55%. | ||
| Well, you know, and I can sit here and we can debate about Snowden, but his life is not in jeopardy right now. | ||
| He's not somebody that I spend time... I don't worry, like, at night about Edward Snowden. | ||
| He's in a decent place, like, physically, you know, whatever. | ||
| And Assange is... He's in serious trouble. | ||
| You know what? | ||
| How do we... Like, I almost feel like I want... I wish I could, like, reach out to Tucker Carlson and be like, please tell Trump to pardon Julian Assange. | ||
| Like, how do we get Trump to think that not only it's my idea, it's my brilliant idea, But that it is the best way to stick it to the establishment dems because it is. | ||
| Well, it's difficult because there are some fingerprints highlighting how Donald Trump is partly responsible for putting Assange in the position that he is in now, especially with the supposed deal that everyone's talking about as well. | ||
| But I say pardon Assange, pardon Snowden, pardon Ross Ulbricht. | ||
| I can mention a whole bunch of other people I say pardon. | ||
| Because this leaves the next incoming presidency in a very peculiar spot. | ||
| If I was Donald Trump right now, you have an amazing opportunity. | ||
| Bring all the troops home, declassify all the horrible government studies that they conducted on our population, the JFK files. | ||
| He's been promising to release the JFK files for a very long time, and he still hasn't been able to release those JFK files for over 60 years ago. | ||
| He keeps getting blocked. | ||
| OK, but you have to realize at some point you're a little bit of an apologist for him. | ||
| Well, I don't think the president as powerful as people think he is. | ||
| No, he's definitely not. | ||
| And we have seen that we've seen a resurgence of executive authority in the past two administrations, more so than we should be saying, because quite honestly, the entire authorization for use of military force shouldn't even exist. | ||
| So he he's still in more of a power position than I think that people know. | ||
| But yet, yeah, no, he's still accountable to the same people that everyone's accountable to. | ||
| But this is the argument people are making. | ||
| But then don't talk big. | ||
| Then don't talk it if you can't walk it. | ||
| There's been a lot of people sabotaging him. | ||
| And if you look at all the leaks that come out of the White House within his right-hand person or left-hand person, it's just a slurry of leaks. | ||
| The mainstream media wouldn't be as popular if it wasn't for the Trump administration. | ||
| So we have to understand there is also some internal pressure that's preventing him from doing a lot of this stuff. | ||
| So both could be true. | ||
| But I think Whatever politician it is, we always need more scrutiny. | ||
| We always need to push them. | ||
| We never need to idolize them. | ||
| We always need to criticize them, no matter who they are. | ||
| So I agree with you on that. | ||
| But you know, I think in regards to the apologist thing, I think there's so much that Trump could have done if it weren't for the machine that was blocking him at every turn. | ||
| But wouldn't you say that about Obama? | ||
| Wouldn't you say that about? | ||
| But it's it's when you have whoever the president is seems to always be facing an uphill battle with the other branches and that's by design because they don't want to do anything. | ||
| So the biggest issues with Trump are he's of bad moral character for the most part. | ||
| That's like the biggest complaints I guess people have. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You can disagree with some of his policy positions for sure but Obama got us involved in new wars. | ||
| Oh no, don't please. | ||
| I regret that. | ||
| I can't even begin to tell you. | ||
| I am not singing praises of Obama. | ||
| The establishment and mainstream media loved Obama. | ||
| Compare the treatment of how the media is treating Obama to Trump. | ||
| Because the media is very neolib. | ||
| That's just the way it is. | ||
| They just are who they are. | ||
| George W. Bush, I thought was awful. | ||
| Barack Obama, I was super excited for, voted for, and then immediately got angry and didn't vote again. | ||
| And Hillary Clinton, I laughed and I didn't want to vote for Trump because I'm like, it's all the same. | ||
| And now I see Trump is, he made a ton of mistakes in his first few years. | ||
| He hired a bunch of really bad people. | ||
| He should have fired a ton of people. | ||
| And boy, did he walk face first like Sideshow Bob into a bunch of rakes with like, you know, sessions with, you know, not firing Comey soon enough and then getting, There's a whole bunch of things in the mix that I don't want to bring up in heavy nuance, but Trump made a ton of mistakes. | ||
| He did not realize what this machine was, and I think he thought he'd be the boss. | ||
| The president is constrained. | ||
| It's a political game, and you've got to navigate that properly, but I think Donald Trump's a populist. | ||
| I think he wants to be a populist. | ||
| I think he campaigned as a populist. | ||
| But I think that he is, to me, a very good example of exactly what you were just saying, where he expected to be the boss. | ||
| This is the problem when you take somebody who's a business person and just think that they're automatically going to translate into the political arena. | ||
| It doesn't work. | ||
| And you can't have it my way or the highway. | ||
| And as we've seen, he hasn't been able to be effective that way. | ||
| But he is not the kind of person, I think, that is going to have enough self-reflection to look at that and be like, what could I do differently? | ||
| Like, where could I make better choices? | ||
| He's not. | ||
| He's a blamer. | ||
| And I'm not saying the other side doesn't do it, too, because they do. | ||
| I mean, but that's ultimately what this comes down to is he is a very big ego and very thin skin. | ||
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| And that's not a good position to be in as somebody in politics. | ||
| And that's very easy to manipulate if you're a special power. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| He could have quickly pivoted and corrected a bunch of these errors very early on. | ||
| And he didn't. | ||
| Well, let me be clear, though, that I hold Barack Obama accountable for a lot of these things, because had he done his job, people like Gina Haspel would be in prison and they wouldn't be able to. | ||
| And Bolton. | ||
| And so you have a lot of people that wouldn't have been able to do the damage that they did. | ||
| But Barack Obama, Barack Obama, Barack Obama, drone bomber, drone bomber, Obama, he's part of the machine. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| So I don't think he wanted to do. | ||
| No, but again, even let's say that he did. | ||
| Let's say that he said, I'm going to do that. | ||
| I'm going to stand up to, you know, what is essentially the military complex, because that's what you really have to stand up to. | ||
| He can't do that any more than Trump can do that. | ||
| And that's what we're looking at. | ||
| We're looking at, to some extent, it's really a figurehead position and you don't have as much power as you would like, but you have just enough so that you get blamed for all your incompetence. | ||
| That's the whole nature of being president. | ||
| What if Trump just like literally pardoned everybody? | ||
| At the federal level. | ||
| It would be massive whether or not it would, you know, salvage him in terms of like his name and history. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| It would for me. | ||
| Honestly, I'm telling you the two things I could say if he if he stopped playing in the sandbox of Saudi Arabia and or pardon Julian Assange, that would that would be huge for me. | ||
| Like that would be a deal changer for me. | ||
| I had been saying earlier in the year that, like in January before COVID, I wasn't going to vote for him. | ||
| I don't care. | ||
| That's not my tribe. | ||
| I'm not into tribalism. | ||
| But the COVID lockdown stuff has been draconian and insane. | ||
| It's been transferring. | ||
| It's the biggest transfer of wealth from working class people to the elites, the establishment, to the big corporations. | ||
| That's insane. | ||
| And you get the establishment. | ||
| What do you call these people? | ||
| You know, I call them the Democrats, I guess. | ||
| Well, see, no, no, no. | ||
| I need to know exactly who you're talking about, and then I can give you the exact terminology of who we're speaking about. | ||
| The people who work at the New York Times, who are like, we must lock everything down, and they're ultra woke. | ||
| Oh, neoliberal drones. | ||
| Or tools. | ||
| I mean, those are tools. | ||
| Neolib. | ||
| Yeah, neolibs. | ||
| But see, that's what people really need to understand. | ||
| That is not the left. | ||
| The Democrats are not the left. | ||
| That's not the left. | ||
| The Democrats, at best, are centrists. | ||
| I think you know what really, you know, just confused me is why leftists were so anti-Trump when I understand you can not like Trump, but he's anti-establishment. | ||
| Yeah, like in which leftist? | ||
| Like I have never been anti-Trump. | ||
| Again, for me, it's all policy. | ||
| It's all policy. | ||
| So it's never been anything like that. | ||
| And I am not the only one. | ||
| There are others like me. | ||
| We're out there. | ||
| The establishment doesn't like him because he offends their sensibilities. | ||
| I don't care about that. | ||
| I don't care who he makes fun of. | ||
| I don't care what he says. | ||
| I don't care who he sleeps with. | ||
| I don't care what his children do. | ||
| I really don't. | ||
| This doesn't concern me. | ||
| What concerns me is his policy. | ||
| And the policies of the Republican Party do not appeal to me. | ||
| They just don't. | ||
| They don't have populist policies, even though he intended that. | ||
| Yeah, the Republican Party, I've never been a fan of. | ||
| I think Trump's very different. | ||
| I mean, Trump supporters use a lion instead of an elephant. | ||
| That's funny, so do the progressives. | ||
| There's a lion? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| In fact, our progressive caucus in Broward County, our symbol is a lion. | ||
| Really? | ||
| You know, I kind of wondered if Biden would actually end up being the Great Uniter. | ||
| By default? | ||
| Because everyone hates him. | ||
| Except for the neolibs. | ||
| Yeah, they are a small group. | ||
| Unfortunately, they're loud. | ||
| And they have the media. | ||
| Other than Fox. | ||
| I mean, you know, but really, other than Fox, you've got a whole bunch of neolib. | ||
| Well, let's talk censorship in that capacity. | ||
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| So, many of you probably heard, YouTube is now going to remove any new videos alleging Trump lost the election because of fraud. | ||
| Now, CNN says fraud, but I actually spoke with YouTube and got some clarification. | ||
| The general idea is, YouTube has said, starting today, if you claim that Trump lost the election, and you have to come... So, actually, let me start over. | ||
| There are two criteria you have to meet in order to have your videos deleted. | ||
| You must first claim that there was widespread fraud, then you must claim it resulted in Donald Trump losing the election. | ||
| You can say there's widespread fraud. | ||
| You can say the election was stolen from Trump. | ||
| You can't combine these things, which is like the weirdest non-policy... Okay, but did you just do that by explaining it? | ||
| Yeah, I'm curious. | ||
| Well, technically. | ||
| No, but they could pull it out of context and then be like, look, he said it, he said those words. | ||
| Well, that's the thing, I mean... Tim's the guy they want to explain it. | ||
| to people. I guess. They called me and they were like, Google actually called me and said, | ||
| we want to explain to you what this means. And they're probably hoping that I will then convey | ||
| and you're not going to get a guideline strike. So if you say it, they'll just quietly remove | ||
| the video on January 21st. They will give you a guideline strike if you claim it. | ||
| And they're claiming, they're like, we have a long-standing policy on historical elections that you can't claim that fraud changed the results. | ||
| Therefore, it applies to this election. | ||
| And I'm like, that makes no sense. | ||
| How could they have a long-standing policy if they haven't existed that long? | ||
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| Or not even that, like, what am I gonna do, like, Abraham Lincoln didn't really win and, like, pound the table? | ||
| Like, what? | ||
| Yeah, what about the last election when, you know, the establishment was shilling that it was a fraud, and then CNN was always put in the algorithm to be first, no matter what you searched regarding the election, talking about how this was not a legitimate election, it was Russian collusion, Trump was a Russian asset, and all of that was bunk, all of that was a distraction. | ||
| That was my first question. | ||
| All of that was crap. | ||
| I was like, can I still say that the Russians hacked the election and Hillary Clinton only lost because of Russian interference? | ||
| And they're like, well, no, I don't think so. | ||
| And I'm like, well, I just searched it on YouTube and there's dozens of mainstream media outlets saying just that. | ||
| If they take down CNN for violating their policy, yes, it's fair. | ||
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It's the right thing to do. | |
| They did take down Rand Paul speaking on the Senate floor. | ||
| Did you know about this? | ||
| No. | ||
| Rand Paul, so don't say his name. | ||
| He mentioned a name that he wasn't supposed to. | ||
| There's a name that if I say, this livestream will be taken off the air immediately. | ||
| Okay, so we won't say it. | ||
| And there's no reason for it. | ||
| Is there sign language? | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| Rand Paul was talking about this individual and YouTube deleted C-SPAN, the video from C-SPAN of Rand Paul on the Senate floor talking about what was going on in our government and why it was relevant. | ||
| He had no bias. | ||
| This is the kind of stuff that should be keeping people up at night. | ||
| And yet, you know, like that's the whole thing. | ||
| I mean, we touched on Assange, but the censorship thing freaks me out. | ||
| It's a big problem. | ||
| Maybe if come, you know, we talk about these 17 states and, you know, Trump and they're suing. | ||
| Maybe if it does end up being Biden as president, then Trump supporters are, when the fight is not about Trump anymore, then the, as you describe it, the real left, the populist left, I suppose, and populist right will be mostly in agreement about censorship being bad. | ||
| I hope so. | ||
| Look, I mean, they're trying to keep us apart. | ||
| That's the whole point of what they're doing. | ||
| If the populist left and the populist right or the whites and the blacks that were labor class and everybody got together and realized that it really is, there's only two groups of people and if you're not in charge, you're in the second group. | ||
| It's a big club and you ain't in it. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| It's the same club they used to beat you over the head with. | ||
| It is, and it's true. | ||
| So, like, they don't want that. | ||
| They love these labels. | ||
| They love the infighting. | ||
| They want to have you guys having audience that hates the left. | ||
| They want the left complaining about Trump and the right. | ||
| And they just want everybody fighting. | ||
| But the reality is, is they're all just feeding their own wallets. | ||
| That's all this does. | ||
| But there's a problem with people on the left who make careers off of drama channels targeting the other, and the people on the right who do the same thing. | ||
| So, I mean, what do you do to get past that? | ||
| We do this. | ||
| This is it. | ||
| This is what we do. | ||
| People say that to me all the time, like, what do you do for this? | ||
| I'm like, we're doing it. | ||
| But look, there's a bunch of... We've had several people on the show who are, I guess you'd call them leftists or whatever, and I mean many of... We had Destiny. | ||
| I know you're familiar with Destiny. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| He's super woke, and he was adamantly defending critical theory and things like that, and I completely disagree with that. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I think we had a good conversation. | ||
| I think a lot of people don't like him because they thought that he was... What's the right word? | ||
| I guess... | ||
| Disingenuous? | ||
| No, no, no, no, no. | ||
| Arrogant. | ||
| Kind of like snooty to people. | ||
| I didn't, I don't, I don't, you know. | ||
| You're talking about critical race theory, like his, like the thoughts on that. | ||
| So yeah, we briefly discussed critical race theory before the show started, and he's very much in favor of it. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But he says he's on the left. | ||
| Well, the DSA called him a Nazi recently, so... You mentioned the left fighting themselves. | ||
| Well, no, we eat our own. | ||
| We eat our own. | ||
| But I do believe that that's all by design. | ||
| Because the people that are, say, your establishment people, your Speaker of the House-type people, if you will. | ||
| Not mentioning any names, right? | ||
| Right. | ||
| So those people that you call the left, they want us fighting. | ||
| They love Trump in charge. | ||
| They like all of that. | ||
| It serves their corporate donors and it keeps them from having to do anything. | ||
| I call it Mick resistance. | ||
| That's great. | ||
| And that's what they are. | ||
| And so they don't like me any more than they like him because I am an impediment to what they're doing, which is feeding their coffers. | ||
| I don't want that. | ||
| There are a lot of people that won't come on this show out of... I'm not going to speculate as to what their opinions are, but I think they're scared. | ||
| I don't understand that. | ||
| You're not somebody that I think of as a real right-wing figure. | ||
| What is the deal with that? | ||
| I no idea. | ||
| Covid. | ||
| You're not that scary. | ||
| Most of the. | ||
| It's crazy. | ||
| I'm like one of the most like lukewarmest people on in political commentary. | ||
| Except for Luke. | ||
| Well, once you once you come out supporting Trump, then you get marked. | ||
| And that's really what it is. | ||
| If you had a month, two months ago. | ||
| Yeah, but that's what but that's the kind of thing that brings attention from the left. | ||
| I can't speak as to what that was prior to that, but that's what would draw the ire from the woke. | ||
| There was this individual who made this study, and they're using it today to claim that YouTube is radicalizing people to the far right. | ||
| It's not true, because it's been debunked numerous times. | ||
| There is nuance to this argument, but this woman created this report where it was a spiderweb of all these channels that were interconnected, and then I was right in the middle. | ||
| That's interesting, right? | ||
| But that's cool. | ||
| That means you're what I call a bridge. | ||
| And it was funny because someone actually wrote, I think Media Matters was smearing me, and they said he was found to be at the center of a massive network of right-wing radicalization. | ||
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Yes, yes. | |
| What is your mission? | ||
| What are you radicalizing people to do? | ||
| Milk toast centrism. | ||
| Read the news? | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Yeah, I don't know. | ||
| Well, that's what I always say, like, so what's your motive? | ||
| What are you, like, people who, because that's a fear-based comment. | ||
| You're radicalizing, like, to do what? | ||
| Like, what are you, I always try to pinpoint people, get them to really say what it is they're scared of, because it's all fear. | ||
| Okay, so let's assume you are doing that. | ||
| Okay, to what end? | ||
| Like, what's your, what's the end game for you? | ||
| For me? | ||
| They don't want people watching shows like this, where we can have someone like you on, rag on Hillary Clinton. | ||
| You accuse somebody of being like, okay, so it's just this incendiary language. | ||
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Right. | |
| But based on what result, like what are you worried about? | ||
| They don't want people watching shows like this where we can have someone | ||
| like you on rag on Hillary Clinton. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Oh, well, I guess. | ||
| And then people are like, yeah. | ||
| And the truth is the people that will be on me for that. | ||
| They already hate me anyway. | ||
| Once you have an open mind, once you stop toting the establishment line, | ||
| you are a threat to them. | ||
| Correct. | ||
| And this is important to point out here because anyone who's willing to have a conversation, anyone who's willing to discuss different ideas, that's not what they want. | ||
| They want regurgitators, they want repeaters, they want good little prostitutes that will say whatever the establishment wants to say. | ||
| The horse stream media is a Big system that benefits off of people's ignorance. | ||
| A lot of elites, a lot of powerful people make a lot of money, get a lot of power from the ignorance of other individuals. | ||
| And if you fight that with open mindedness, they will go after you like you don't know what's going on here. | ||
| And going back to this topic of censorship, this is important. | ||
| The way to progress a society the way to move us forward is ... through an open and honest dialogue they are denying that ... to us on so many different levels and for them to force ... this kind of idea and saying you know as there's court cases ... we don't still know if there was actual fraud or not we're ... still finding out to the court proceedings for them to ... declare now we're just going to take you out. | ||
| is absolutely disingenuous and horrible and propels the larger, bigger problem that people are pointing out to. | ||
| And again, it affected me a couple years ago when I noticed my videos were just being deleted. | ||
| I remember waking up and I'm like, oh, there's five videos missing. | ||
| I don't even know which ones. | ||
| I wasn't even notified. | ||
| Frogs boiling. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| We're frogs in a pot. | ||
| The water temperatures. | ||
| So the reason why they waited till the 8th was to create some kind of cover. | ||
| Okay, safe harbor. | ||
| Now we can justify the censorship. | ||
| Do you ever wonder if this has been happening all the way along? | ||
| Like, we're noticing it more now because it's so, like, controversial. | ||
| Yeah, I was telling people in 2008, as soon as Google gobbled up YouTube, I'm like, watch out guys, they're gonna suppress free speech. | ||
| something may have happened. Do you ever wonder if this has been happening all | ||
| the way along? Like we're noticing it more now because it's so like controversial. | ||
| I was telling people in 2008 as soon as Google gobbled up YouTube I'm like watch | ||
| out guys they're gonna suppress free speech. Because this is a power, a | ||
| power of individuals being able to talk to each other and resolve our problems, | ||
| resolve our differences and to understand we're all human and not to be | ||
| dependent on this system. | ||
| That's a huge threat against the establishment and you didn't need to see the writings on the wall to see that a threat against the powerful is something that they're slowly going to make sure doesn't exist and now they're sucking the holy life out of it as much as they can. | ||
| What we started seeing is these companies that hire people to run multiple fake accounts To attack and antagonize. | ||
| And you'll go on Reddit, and you'll see the comments, and all they do is have these generic smears against the other. | ||
| But I'll tell you, I think there are a lot of conservatives that make careers off of attacking the left. | ||
| It's both ways. | ||
| It's both ways. | ||
| Well, the left, it's just a matter of they'll call names like, well, you're a Russian troll. | ||
| But then wouldn't anything by design be that goes online to cause like to wreak havoc and to like sway opinion be equally as? | ||
| I mean it's all the same thing. | ||
| I mean any group could conceivably do that to influence opinion or even have money put behind that opinion. | ||
| So once you have that kind of influence to try to police that is sort of ridiculous. | ||
| You know what really annoyed me recently was Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez released a bunch of shirts and they're expensive. | ||
| Really? | ||
| She has like a, like a, you mean like a fashion line? | ||
| A clothing line. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Like, like, like populist left, like, you know, shop shirts. | ||
| And there's, yeah, eat the rich for $15. | ||
| So t-shirts, they're t-shirts. | ||
| Like t-shirts and sweaters. | ||
| But her response was they're made in America, so they're more expensive. | ||
| And she got, she got criticized heavily by the right for making shirts that, that poor people couldn't afford. | ||
| And more importantly, where does the money go? | ||
| I mean, probably to her campaign or something. | ||
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Well, no. | |
| I mean, it could go to a foundation. | ||
| It could go to her. | ||
| Look, and that's really where it would come to to me. | ||
| Like, I'm an end result person. | ||
| So is she making money and giving it to people that need money? | ||
| Well, then that's a good thing. | ||
| Then I really don't care because an AOC sweater is not an essential that every person should be entitled to have. | ||
| So I don't really care. | ||
| I just don't think it's worth talking about. | ||
| No. So, so, like, the reason I bring it up is that, like, why are, why are people, uh, and I'm not, | ||
| I'm not trying to single out conservatives or criticals and left because the left does it all | ||
| the time to the right. There are people who make videos about me because they make money, | ||
| but they're clearly out of context manipulations because it just generates traffic. And I wonder | ||
| why it is, why so many people, instead of talking about ideas and policy and, look, I got no problem | ||
| talking about Ocasio-Cortez in terms of the Green New Deal and my disagreements with specific | ||
| provisions and things like that. But people love to just make E-drama, you know, this person is | ||
| ugly and they sold a stupid shirt and, well, that person is a Nazi. | ||
| And that's, it's money for people. | ||
| But it diminishes their credibility because it's not there. | ||
| These are not valid arguments. | ||
| It's the same thing about the left critiquing Trump for nasty tweets. | ||
| If you want to come with a criticism, it should have substance to it. | ||
| So there are definitely things that one would want to criticize AOC. | ||
| I generally don't. | ||
| But yet her selling shirts would not even it wouldn't make my list. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| There's just so much that I see. | ||
| Actually, that's a big weakness the right needs to get past, too. | ||
| Well, the right and the left should absolutely. | ||
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It's petty. | |
| It's boring. | ||
| It is boring. | ||
| There are a bunch of lefty YouTubers, and I see the stuff they produce, and I see how they hit a wall and they can't grow their channels, and I'm like, bro, you make videos talking about YouTubers, criticizing this guy for being right-wing or whatever and then making fun of him. | ||
| Make content about politicians. | ||
| Criticize the politicians you don't like and the policies they're enacting. | ||
| Stop wasting your time on e-drama, stuff like that. | ||
| We need to actually... I think everybody on YouTube, we might disagree on hard policy in many ways, but I think most of the people on YouTube disagree with the establishment and this crony machine that has kept out actual leaders. | ||
| Let me ask you your opinion, because if you asked me how many people in Congress do I think actually represent the people, I'd probably say like three, maybe. | ||
| How many do you think? | ||
| Definitely less than 10. | ||
| I don't know the exact number. | ||
| I will tell you this is interesting, though, because the Progressive Caucus has like over 100 members in it in Congress, right? | ||
| And it turns out you pay to be in the Progressive Caucus. | ||
| So it's like $4,000 or whatever it is. | ||
| And so there is an inordinate amount of people then that I'm curious that I would love to ask them. | ||
| So I see that you consider yourself a progressive. | ||
| How come you've never called Medicare for All for a floor vote? | ||
| Like, where have you been on that? | ||
| Why are you not doing that? | ||
| I guess you're not really progressive. | ||
| You just paid to be called one. | ||
| So so the amount of actual people I mean and I could like my favorite person is Katie Porter. | ||
| I'm a Katie Porter fan. | ||
| Nobody sticks it to the the corporate criminals as the way she does but I don't know handful maybe handful of people that are legitimately representing constituents and not corporate donors. | ||
| I like Rand Paul. | ||
| I say zero. | ||
| Rand Paul. | ||
| Hmm, debatable. | ||
| I don't like politicians. | ||
| You heard me describe politicians. | ||
| Politicians are big buttockses. | ||
| All of them are filled with certain stuff. | ||
| Some are filled with less, some are filled with more. | ||
| Let's just be honest here. | ||
| Even us as citizens, we're all sucking on this program where the Federal Reserve's giving us fiat currency. | ||
| We have this slave labor overseas that make our iPhones. | ||
| Like, our chocolate comes from, like, child slaves, human trafficking. | ||
| We're in this system, and we complain about it. | ||
| Some of us do, rightfully so, but we're still part of it. | ||
| These clothing were built in, like, factories in China. | ||
| Well, people are trying to change that. | ||
| I mean, I think, you know, there's been a big movement, especially with Trump, for Made in America. | ||
| And not just Trump, too, because AOC mentioned her shirts are made in America as well. | ||
| Which brings us to the TPP. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| And the multinational corporation takeover of the world, which leads in perfectly to our next article. | ||
| What, you want to talk about Pope Francis? | ||
| Yes, I've been done. | ||
| Are you going to say mean things about the Pope? | ||
| Me? | ||
| No. | ||
| He might. | ||
| There's a lot of mean things to say, but let's stay away from that. | ||
| Let's just consider how low the bar is. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Let's stay true to the observations and to the evidence provided before us and then let the people decide themselves what they want to think. | ||
| That's been my kind of protocol. | ||
| My understanding is that Pope Francis is a pretty cool dude. | ||
| He chose the name Francis, which was really exciting to me. | ||
| I'm a fan. | ||
| It's funny. | ||
| I'm a Jew. | ||
| I'm not really a practicing Jew, but I've always affiliated amongst Catholics. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I went to a Catholic law school. | ||
| I worked at a Catholic hospital. | ||
| And I love St. | ||
| Francis. | ||
| And I actually have a St. | ||
| Francis in my house. | ||
| It took me forever to find one without a cross on it. | ||
| I worked at St. | ||
| Francis Hospital. | ||
| Did you? | ||
| I was in Indianapolis. | ||
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| Francis Hospital. | ||
| So, like, I've always liked St. | ||
| Francis. | ||
| And he is the first Pope to pick that name. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| And I think that's really interesting, and it's very humbling of a name. | ||
| I don't like him. | ||
| Well, he's just joined the Great Reset Movement. | ||
| I hear you. | ||
| Quartz reports, Pope Francis is backing a new movement to redefine capitalism as a force for good. | ||
| First of all, I think, depending on your definition of capitalism in the traditional sense, it's been a force for good. | ||
| I certainly think there's an issue with major corporations extracting value and providing nothing in return. | ||
| But I think, you know, capitalism as a system has lifted more people out of poverty than anything else. | ||
| I think it's interesting the way they're framing it. | ||
| Well, let's read. | ||
| Court says, Capitalism has been condemned for many of the world's evils, from massive income inequality to climate change. | ||
| But self-interest wasn't the core idea of the economic system first codified by Adam Smith in the 18th century. | ||
| Avarice became coupled with capitalism in the 1980s, fueled largely by Nobel Prize-winning economist Milton Friedman's theory that the singular goal of business is to maximize profits for shareholders. | ||
| In short, it was the argument that greed is good. | ||
| Now a new global alliance with Pope Francis As its moral leader is pushing to rescue the heart of capitalism and reorient it as a force for social good. | ||
| The founding members of the Coalition for Inclusive Capitalism with the Vatican comprises large corporations like Bank of America, BP, Estee Lauder, EY, Johnson & Johnson, Mastercard, Merck, Salesforce, and Visa. | ||
| It also includes grant-giving bodies like the Ford Foundation, the Rockefeller Foundation, government bodies, and the International Trade Union Confederation, the world's largest workers' rights unions. | ||
| Yes, I'm sorry, the world's largest workers' rights group. | ||
| Yes, because nothing says capitalism as a force for good than massive, multinational, unaccountable corporations that exploit people for personal gain. | ||
| And Big Banks and Big Pharma that are part of this coalition which is being all organized by Lynn Forrester de Rothschild that's bringing this coalition together to redefine capitalism as of course all these same institutional powers are talking about a global reset. | ||
| And redefining capitalism and again we have to ... understand these individuals these corporations ... they don't operate under the capitalistic system they ... operate under the socialistic system since they get ... government handouts and welfare more than anyone else ... imaginable and they're the ones that are partly ... responsible for all the pain and suffering that is being ... caused so believing that these individuals are going ... to fix the problem that they were causing is absolutely ... | ||
| I told you, I identify with Ron Swanson more than anyone else. | ||
| Do you know who Ron Swanson is? | ||
| Isn't that from a show? | ||
| Yes, Parks and Recs. | ||
| The guy who doesn't like government. | ||
| And I do need to acknowledge that we have to look at everything fairly and honestly. | ||
| And when we look at these individuals grandstanding, talking about capitalism is bad, we have to understand we're not operating under capitalism. | ||
| We're operating under Socialism for the super-rich and then quasi-crony capitalism that doesn't even exist because of that for everyone else. | ||
| We look at this largest transfer of wealth, we look at all the pain and suffering, it's all under the fingerprints of this quasi-fake system that manipulates, lies to us, and takes advantage of us in so many different ways. | ||
| It's socialism for me and capitalism for thee. | ||
| Not even. | ||
| You really sound left. | ||
| Yes, I know. | ||
| I do. | ||
| But the modern left is pro-corporate. | ||
| I should say, with respect to you and what you view as left, the Democratic establishment is extremely pro-corporate. | ||
| And there are a lot of what is colloquially described as left personalities who are in line with the Democratic Party and Joe Biden. | ||
| And I am here to tell you they're not really left. | ||
| They can stay their left just like a member of Congress can pay to be in the Progressive Caucus. | ||
| That doesn't make it so. | ||
| I could pay to be in the Black Caucus. | ||
| That doesn't make me black. | ||
| This is hilarious that some of the worst offenders in terms of exploitation and manipulation are claiming they're going to make capitalism a force for good when they're the ones who actually ruined it. | ||
| When capitalism was at its root, free trade between individuals is great. | ||
| When capitalism became large corporations that extract value from the working class and give very little in return, that became the problem. | ||
| And I'm not talking about, for everyone who's listening, CEOs who are high-paid and maybe managing companies. | ||
| I'm talking about people who just sit, like, in Miami in a skyscraper and just check their bank because they get profits from the company. | ||
| They're not adding things, they're not managing anything. | ||
| So there's serious challenges. | ||
| This is where, like, my left comes out in. | ||
| The difference between the modern structure of this corporate... I guess you call it corporatist? | ||
| Is it corporatism? | ||
| It is corporatist. | ||
| Yeah, it's corporatism. | ||
| Where they have such control over the system with lobbying that smaller businesses can't compete. | ||
| They can crush you. | ||
| Starbucks can open two Starbucks locations next to your small business and just wipe you out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And then that prevents any real competition, any real free market. | ||
| You don't get it if you have massive corporations strangling everybody. | ||
| This is why I've always been in favor of a mixed economy. | ||
| They pay a lot of money for that, right? | ||
| The head of Starbucks pays a lot of money to be able to do what they do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Before we get into that, if you keep reading the article, these people talk to you like you're little children because what you see them exemplify is just simple language. | ||
| Like, we're going to help the poor. | ||
| Everyone's going to be equal. | ||
| We're going to support black and African American businesses and we're going to fight A global warming, and if you look at these individuals, a lot of them are directly responsible for causing the problems that they allegedly want more power, more responsibility for them to fix. | ||
| Like Joe Biden! | ||
| Yeah, it's absolutely crazy and insane. | ||
| And now the Pope to rubber stamp this and join this global coalition of good guys and superheroes is absolutely just mind-boggling and should be worrying to a lot of people out there. | ||
| When YouTube announced that they will censor people who challenge the election and say there's fraud, Will Chamberlain, we had him on the show, he tweeted, he basically said, and I'll paraphrase because I don't have the exact quote, that nationalizing these big tech companies is better than letting them just do what they do and manipulate everything. | ||
| Well, I have no problem with that. | ||
| Me neither. | ||
| And especially when you were talking about the communications companies, and that would help a lot with what we were talking about in terms of, you know, your First Amendment rights. | ||
| Well, this is the frustrating part here because a lot of these big monopolies wouldn't be where they are without government. | ||
| Without public assistance, without tax cuts, without working with the DOD, the Pentagon, especially when you look at institutions like Google, when you look at the startup foundations that are connected to the CIA, that have their direct fingerprints on all the big tech monopolies that are in power now, and when you look at Amazon, Google, and all these other monoliths, they are working one-on-one with government right now. | ||
| Whether it's Amazon giving all the chairs and all the little pens for the Pentagon or the military or Google. | ||
| This is a Jeff Bezos problem. | ||
| This goes to that. | ||
| He's getting ready to just own our water sources. | ||
| Did you see that news where water is going to be added as a commodity? | ||
| There's going to be water wars soon. | ||
| Not many people realize that. | ||
| He's threatening. | ||
| I find him to be very threatening. | ||
| I mean, and also symbolic of the greater threat. | ||
| Isn't it easier just to say that the real battle is, like, establishment versus anti-establishment, or liberty versus authority? | ||
| We call it corporate versus non-corporate. | ||
| And really, it's just like... But government plays a role in this, too. | ||
| Well, it is, but your government representative is either on the payroll or not on the payroll. | ||
| So when you look at it in the micro level, like, who is your person representing? | ||
| If they're taking corporate money, they're representing corporations. | ||
| I think, you know, in a simple definition, corporations are a good thing. | ||
| And I think in a simple definition, government is a good thing. | ||
| But what we have are giant, authoritarian, monopolistic government and corporations. | ||
| We need publicly financed elections. | ||
| There are certain things that we could do. | ||
| It's hard, though. | ||
| It's really difficult to get, you know... Well, you would have to get enough people in there that aren't on the corporate payroll that would then support that. | ||
| So, we're chipping away at it, basically, is what we're trying to do. | ||
| But you get enough people in there that aren't corporate, they'd be willing to do that. | ||
| So, I mean, that's the goal. | ||
| I just say put them in NASCAR suits and let them represent all the corporations that they represent. | ||
| Absolutely! | ||
| Same with doctors. | ||
| Doctors as well need to point out the corporations that they get money from so people know who they're doing business with. | ||
| We're not even allowed to say it in a lot of cases. | ||
| When you start bringing up stuff like where they get their money from, You're smearing them. | ||
| You're not being part of the team, especially if it's a Democrat calling out another Democrat's corporate donors. | ||
| Well, Eric Swalwell wants to launch an investigation against Axios because they're the ones that wrote the story about his little, what would you say, honeypot? | ||
| Yes, his infiltration that occurred between him and this lady that infiltrated many elements of government | ||
| in more ways than one. | ||
| You mean like a special lady friend? | ||
| Yes, a special lady friend. | ||
| Well, did you hear about the story about the spy? | ||
| I don't, but you know what? | ||
| The circus is really losing me. | ||
| I stick much more with like topics and issues. | ||
| Well, it is fascinating to see China's influence, especially over our political system, | ||
| and especially with how they've been able to get all of our secrets and also manipulate, | ||
| politicians like Joe Biden very easily. | ||
| Check out this story. | ||
| Eric Swalwell refuses to admit wrongdoing over top-secret friendship with Chinese spy Fang Fang and demands probe into who leaked the story as he refuses to say if he slept with her and she's still Facebook friends with his dad and brother. | ||
| So a Chinese honey trap spy had been organizing a fundraiser for this guy, and the fact that he would call for the journalists to get investigated. | ||
| Well, isn't this a matter of national security? | ||
| This is the man who is a part of the House Intelligence Committee. | ||
| He has unrestricted access to classified information, and this spy Was with him before the start of his major political career. | ||
| She helped him fundraise. | ||
| She helped him get support in the Asian community and many people say Eric Swalwell wouldn't be in power if it wasn't for this spy this spy resign. | ||
| Yes immediately resign. | ||
| I mean there's there's no even talking about this. | ||
| But when you look at Eric Swalwell when you look at his major points, he's he was a bastion a favorite of the mainstream media to go up against Trump. | ||
| And many times he regurgitated a lot of Beijing pro-communist government talking points that you saw him say and you saw the Chinese government say at the same time whether it was keeping the borders open to China during the coronavirus scandal whether it was going against Trump because of alleged Russian collusion whether it was even going against North Korea all the talking points by Eric Swalwell on the mainstream media almost perfect carbon copies of Chinese communist talking points which Does make you think, especially since now we're finding out that a Chinese spy helped him to get into power. | ||
| And it's not just him. | ||
| I mean, Dianne Feinstein had a... Do you know about that one? | ||
| She had a Chinese spy working for her. | ||
| No, it doesn't surprise me. | ||
| And again, she is one of those people that I don't claim. | ||
| So we don't claim her. | ||
| Well, that's why I think, as I mentioned before, like the real fight is, it's almost, you know, everyone always says the real fight is this group versus that group, but I think it's liberty versus authority. | ||
| Because if you're in favor of freedoms and liberty, you're going to oppose censorship. | ||
| We're going to get along. | ||
| You're going to oppose the corporatist structure and the crony government structures. | ||
| By definition, authority would be a form of corporatism, because you're bowing to people who are paying your paycheck. | ||
| And to your point about saying that you're on the left, Luke's on the left, Tim's on the left, because they support the idea of restricting the corporate powers, I think that's very much a right-wing idea, because if you really care about a free market, you really care about corporate America. | ||
| It's not left or right. | ||
| Right, you're not, you would be lack of government interference. | ||
| You would be small government, you would be, but I think we've safely seen that both sides | ||
| are no longer what they're supposed to be. | ||
| It's very blurred. | ||
| I mean, who's where? | ||
| It's not left or right. | ||
| It's if you're paying attention or if you're not paying attention. | ||
| It's if you're with the corporate globalist establishment or if you're with the individual, | ||
| if you're for freedom, if you're liberty, if you're for the one individual to be able | ||
| to live their lives freely without anyone putting their thumb over them. | ||
| Do you like the Constitution? | ||
| I love the Constitution. | ||
| You see, that's the big thing. | ||
| The authorities, the establishment, the corporations, the governments. | ||
| I've actually read it. | ||
| Wonderful. | ||
| I know, it's fascinating, right? | ||
| I know, I love it. | ||
| I love when people start saying stuff like, well, I've read it, so I'm quite familiar. | ||
| But no, I take that very seriously. | ||
| I wouldn't swear over a Bible, but I'd swear over the Constitution. | ||
| They, oh yeah, absolutely, me too. | ||
| They have, I say they, but like these big corporate interests, these authoritarian, these despotic government officials have tried so hard to crush the working class, and the Constitution has been our saving grace. | ||
| Right now, with the lockdowns, with what's happening. | ||
| First thing I want to say, just to keep in kind of line, we're talking about the Chinese spies and stuff. | ||
| Why isn't China under a lockdown? | ||
| What's going on? | ||
| How come we're seeing these big resurgences in Europe and the U.S., but nothing in China? | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| I find it all very sad. | ||
| Look, I've had a lot of questions about this whole thing from the beginning. | ||
| Like, I am not a COVID denier. | ||
| I am a complete denier of our ability to contain it and control it. | ||
| So, to me, I'm also a Darwinist. | ||
| I mean, it's sad. | ||
| I'm not denying that it's happening. | ||
| And I'm doing everything I can to be respectful. | ||
| Well, that doesn't sound very leftist. | ||
| I'm doing no. | ||
| But I also told you when it comes to things like civil liberties, I'm very libertarian. | ||
| I also believe that there's a lot of personal accountability. | ||
| So I'm going to do everything I can to be respectful of other people and wear my mask and not, you know, just so that other people I don't want to get someone else sick. | ||
| Like, I don't want to do that. | ||
| But I generally don't believe in squishing our civil liberties. | ||
| You know, I thought of something really funny earlier, like a good idea for a skit, where it's a guy who's wearing a mask but no shirt, and he goes into a store, and they're like, you gotta get out of here, and he's like, what? | ||
| You can't make me wear a shirt, you're all under, you're being controlled, man, you're being, it's like, you know, my response is, I'm not, I, you know, I don't care about masks. | ||
| It's like, they put up a sign saying no shirt, no shoes, no service, and they added masks to it, and I'm kinda like, I roll my eyes, like whatever. | ||
| I mean, it kinda sucks, and I don't like wearing it, but you know what, that's not a sword I'm willing to die on. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| I don't, it doesn't, it doesn't matter. | ||
| So I forgot exactly where I was going with everything, but I was gonna say that the lockdown has been this massive transfer of wealth in more ways than just shutting down small businesses and keeping open big corporations. | ||
| The vaccine itself is a massive transfer of wealth. | ||
| Guaranteed contracts to big pharmaceutical companies, and then they tell them straight up, get the vaccine as fast as possible, there's no liability for you, they're exempt, and then you'll get a guaranteed $2 billion sale. | ||
| So that's our tax money. | ||
| I won't take it. | ||
| You won't. | ||
| No. | ||
| You want to know why I won't? | ||
| Because they were warned, they just, the UK just warned people not to take it if you have allergies. | ||
| So you, you actually, yeah, it's been, it's been, it's been advised against that. | ||
| In Russia, they're telling people if you do take the vaccine, you can't drink for two months. | ||
| Oh, that's interesting. | ||
| And so why aren't we hearing that about that here? | ||
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I mean, not that we have... Well, there's a lot of different side effects. | |
| And when you look at the list of possible side effects that you could get from this vaccine, There are a little bit uh worrisome to say the least. | ||
| Well let's let's let's make sure we're in line with the acceptable news guard. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| The NPR reports UK regulators tell people with severe allergies not to get the vaccine. | ||
| I don't think uh I'm actually concerned they said severe allergies because in the trials it was reported in this warning About 1 in 0.685% of people had an anaphylactic reaction. | ||
| So do you guys know what that is? | ||
| Your face and eyes swell up, your throat closes. | ||
| And when they were giving the first run-through, the first release to healthcare workers in the UK, two of the nurses had an anaphylactic reaction. | ||
| And fortunately they were in a hospital with epipens nearby, epinephrine. | ||
| So, you've got minutes. | ||
| I mean, you're gonna asphyxiate. | ||
| So they jab you with the EpiPen, it's like an adrenaline analog, and then you come back out of it. | ||
| Very Pulp Fiction. | ||
| Yes, very Pulp Fiction. | ||
| They issued a warning saying that the vaccine can only be administered in places that have resuscitation capacity. | ||
| That's not a selling point. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| Now, the first thing I'll say is, take your advice from your doctor. | ||
| You know what's really funny? | ||
| I tweeted this out. | ||
| Very bland. | ||
| I said, you know, 0.685% of people had an anaphylactic reaction. | ||
| UK doctors are advising people with allergies to avoid the vaccine. | ||
| And then I had a bunch of people calling me an anti-vaxxer. | ||
| You're an anti-vaxxer. | ||
| I'm like, what? | ||
| You're an anti-vaxxer. | ||
| I'm pro-government in this position, right? | ||
| The government has said this. | ||
| Are you nuts? | ||
| Yeah, you run the risk of it's crazy. | ||
| You could get banned for saying this stuff and I'm reading NPR. | ||
| They're warning us about this. | ||
| Biden just tweeted out that he wants a hundred million vaccines. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, that's the one thing during the presidential debates that Biden and Trump were all on page of. | ||
| They argued about everything except for the vaccine and how much we need it, how quickly we need to get it out there to everyone. | ||
| And when you look at the vaccine, we have to understand which one we're talking about because there's many different ones out there. | ||
| There's many different big pharma companies out there. | ||
| There's Pfizer. | ||
| That's the one specifically with the allergies. | ||
| The Russian one is a completely different vaccine that's out there. | ||
| But we have to understand a lot of these companies are rushing to be the first to market. | ||
| That's a very important economic turn for companies that want to make a lot of money. | ||
| And when you have that and you have no liability, no recourse to get punished if you do something very wrong. | ||
| What could go wrong? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Especially from Big Pharma. | ||
| You could say good things and positive things about them, but they do have a bad record sometimes. | ||
| I'm not saying anything positive. | ||
| Well, it depends. | ||
| There are some people that say that Big Pharma saved their lives. | ||
| With our tax dollars. | ||
| Well, a lot of the medicine, especially now that's being used to treat COVID-19 patients, was subsidized by the taxpayer. | ||
| And now it's being sold at the highest bidder for thousands of dollars at the hospitals, which is absolutely ridiculous. | ||
| That's how all of it happens. | ||
| Meanwhile, when there's doctors, there was a pathologist on YouTube. | ||
| His name's Chris Martinson. | ||
| He just released a video talking about alternative solutions that there's scientific studies behind. | ||
| That might actually work. | ||
| That have been promising. | ||
| His video gets censored. | ||
| His video gets taken down. | ||
| It was fully deleted on YouTube. | ||
| You're not allowed to do that. | ||
| Well, look. | ||
| One of the craziest things was Breitbart getting censored on Facebook. | ||
| And, you know, I made the joke about NewsGuard. | ||
| Because, are you familiar with NewsGuard? | ||
| I reference them quite a bit. | ||
| They're Microsoft funded, right? | ||
| I have no idea. | ||
| It's this, they give a rating to news outlets, says like, green checkmark, red exclamation point. | ||
| As a safeguard and check on my bias, I, you know, the sources I use are always NewsGuard certified, even though I'm critical of NewsGuard in many ways, I think it's fair to be like, okay. | ||
| It's a baseline. | ||
| Yeah, you know, I could be biased and just read Breitbart, but what happened was Breitbart was actually certified and approved until they filmed a press conference from a Republican congressman and a bunch of doctors. | ||
| That's all they did. | ||
| They filmed it. | ||
| They live-streamed it on their Facebook page, it got deleted, and then they got accused of publishing fake news. | ||
| Because they filmed a press conference. | ||
| Imagine if you're doing a press conference with Joe Biden, and Joe Biden said, they're going to come after my news organization because Joe Biden said something? | ||
| That's crazy. | ||
| That's the level of censorship we're at when it comes to COVID. | ||
| Now, look, I think I'm reasonable. | ||
| There's concerns that misinformation could result in people dying. | ||
| But I think it's kind of crazy that the view of communications technology is that it's... You know, it's that they can review what you say before you can say it to someone else. | ||
| Whereas it's been precedent for the most of my life, I could call you on the phone and say whatever I want. | ||
| Well, we live in patriarchy. | ||
| Yeah, right. | ||
| I couldn't call you and threaten I was gonna kill you or anything like that, right? | ||
| But I could call you and be like, hey, did you hear about this vaccine? | ||
| They're saying if you have an allergy, don't take it. | ||
| Now what? | ||
| Are they going to come out and say, oh, we're going to ban you? | ||
| What concerns me is that they're going to come out and make people take it. | ||
| And that already is going to start to happen. | ||
| My husband's a physician and he's going to be forced to take it in order to maintain privileges at the hospital. | ||
| It depends on the state level. | ||
| Illinois said that they won't be doing that, but New York is pushing through legislation on the state level that would make it mandatory. | ||
| And you're talking about legal, right? | ||
| It doesn't matter what's legal. | ||
| If the hospital board gets together and decides that they're going to force all their physicians, correct. | ||
| And so that's how this is done. | ||
| It doesn't need to be a law. | ||
| And this is going to be a mandatory thing. | ||
| And then we have big corporations like Qantas coming out and saying, well, if you want to fly, you're going to have to have the certificate and the government is going to be providing certificates. | ||
| We're going to get to where you have to show our papers. | ||
| Show your papers. | ||
| That's what they're doing in France already. | ||
| So listen, listen, listen, I'm going to, I'm going to issue an on-air correction. | ||
| A couple of nights ago, was it last week? | ||
| I said, Everything's going to be fine. | ||
| We had a good argument. | ||
| I'm issuing a correction. | ||
| I said, nothing's going to happen. | ||
| They're going to, they're going to give people the vaccine. | ||
| Like, could you, could you imagine? | ||
| It's like widespread. | ||
| I just don't see it happening. | ||
| We've done things like this. | ||
| And now here I am sitting here reading a story saying that out of 20, I think it was 20,000 people, 137 had anaphylactic reactions. | ||
| That's serious. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Look, I have certain allergies. | ||
| I will keep a secret. | ||
| And I've had to be rushed to the hospital because of potential anaphylactic reactions to allergies. | ||
| And that's very, very scary. | ||
| There are people who are allergic to peanuts or shrimp. | ||
| You'll die. | ||
| The reason they don't do peanuts on planes anymore is because the peanut dust could get in the air and someone could breathe it and just die. | ||
| You're not allowed to have peanut butter in schools anymore because of that. | ||
| And that's crazy. | ||
| Now they're telling me that 0.685% of people, that's more than the fatality rate of COVID. | ||
| I told you so. | ||
| You're not allowed to say that. | ||
| They're going to take this video off. | ||
| No, but I'm reading The Guardian right here. | ||
| They say people with a history of significant allergic reactions should not receive the COVID vaccine, the medicines regulator said. | ||
| That's not my opinion. | ||
| That's the health experts right now of the NHS in the UK saying this. | ||
| And I am in agreement with them because they're the experts. | ||
| Just last week, I was like, I think everything's going to be fine. | ||
| They're going to make a bunch of money off it. | ||
| Now, here I am saying like, I'm reading The Guardian. | ||
| I was wrong. | ||
| Well, that is true. | ||
| They're going to make a lot of money off of it. | ||
| Oh, definitely. | ||
| That is definitely true. | ||
| Guaranteed billions to Big Pharma. | ||
| Well, that's the whole point of this. | ||
| And that's why this is something that Biden and Trump agree on. | ||
| Again, all roads lead to the same financial donors. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| Yeah, but I think Trump's motivation is he wants to look good for the press. | ||
| Well, I think he has that on everything because the man is one giant ego. | ||
| But I think in terms of policy that we're going to see, it's going to be whatever creates the most money for the corporations. | ||
| That's how this is going to work. | ||
| They are extracting wealth. | ||
| They're extracting and they're giving it to the rich are going to be just fine. | ||
| I don't know about the press argument, because you would think after four years after being bombarded by the press, them only complimenting him when he was a warmonger, that it wouldn't matter to Trump. | ||
| But maybe it does. | ||
| But he is still, he's trying to maintain some kind of, the biggest popular support as he can, and I'm sure his internal polls show him that people are scared of COVID. | ||
| And so he's trying to say, we're gonna get the vaccine to you, it'll make him happy. | ||
| Well, if you look at the polls right now, a lot of people are skeptical of the vaccine. | ||
| Half of the FDNY, New York City's fire department, said that they won't be taking it. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| Well, let's see if they're allowed to do that. | ||
| Wasn't it Joe Biden and Kamala Harris? | ||
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| Who questioned the vaccine. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| I'm like, all right. | ||
| Like that was it for me. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But they'll switch sides in a heartbeat as long as they're told to do so. | ||
| He was like, he was like, I'm not going to take that. | ||
| No, not until, you know, it's independently certified. | ||
| And then Trump was like, the New York doesn't get it. | ||
| And I'm, you know, okay, well, I'll tell you this. | ||
| First of all, none of us in this room are going to be allowed to get it. | ||
| We're, we're all not within the first like nine waves, I think. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| I don't want it. | ||
| Well, there you go. | ||
| So it doesn't matter to me. | ||
| That's a club I don't want to be in. | ||
| Yeah, I can't get in. | ||
| But what happens when, you know, we saw from Ticketmaster that they're going to put the vaccine thing on the ticket. | ||
| You want to go to, you want to go to, uh, you know, Australia? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| No, you want to go to a concert. | ||
| They're going to be like, is your vaccine thing? | ||
| And I actually really miss concerts. | ||
| That's one of the things I miss the most with all of this. | ||
| But, but, um, yeah. | ||
| And I do think they're going to do stuff like that. | ||
| It's going to be funny when the resistance is not going to be against like some necessarily like some political figure, but it's going to be, People who are just going to the movies and like having concerts. | ||
| It's like the nightmare dystopia is that people are gonna be at a rave in the middle of the woods and the police are gonna storm in and be like, you're in violation of quarantine law. | ||
| Well, there's that. | ||
| But I also then even can take it a step further and be like, OK, what else is in this vaccine? | ||
| Are we all getting microchipped? | ||
| Well, I don't know about that. | ||
| How far are we from that kind of thing? | ||
| We're not that far from it, right? | ||
| So technologically, and this is not something that I think the COVID vaccine is tracking us. | ||
| You're already microchipped. | ||
| Well, trust me, if I didn't have kids, I wouldn't have a phone. | ||
| But that's the thing too, it's like a lot of people assumed that, I remember like 10 or, no it was like 20 years ago, 15 years ago, the VeriChip, remember VeriChip? | ||
| They're gonna put the RFID chip in your thing. | ||
| And then people thought it would track you, it's like the range on that is so microscopic. | ||
| But you literally have a cell phone, everybody has a phone, they know where you are. | ||
| At all times. | ||
| You know how Facebook knows when you go to the bathroom? | ||
| Like we have a recurring joke about it, they do. | ||
| Well, if your bathroom is in a different location, like if you have to move. | ||
| No, no, no, they know you'll go to the bathroom before you even know it. | ||
| So what people don't realize is that Facebook knows so much about you that the AI they have can say things like, they last ate eight hours ago because they went from one location to a location in proximity to a lot of food, you know, food court or a bunch of restaurants. | ||
| They've been, they went from their primary residence to a work location and now it's around 11 o'clock. | ||
| They have a profile of you and they're going to be like, in the next 20 minutes, this person will go to the bathroom. | ||
| You don't even realize it yet, and you're like, time to go to the bathroom. | ||
| It's like the social dilemma. | ||
| Did you see that on Netflix? | ||
| That's basically the premise. | ||
| Yeah, but again, you mentioned a good point. | ||
| We don't need microchips. | ||
| Look at what China's doing with their facial recognition. | ||
| I mean, let's pull up the article I sent you guys, because we're finding out that Huawei tested artificial intelligence software that could recognize people if they were Uyghur minorities, and then immediately called the police on them. | ||
| Look at this. | ||
| We have it from the Washington Post. | ||
| They have a face scanning system. | ||
| Is that how you say that? | ||
| Uyghur? | ||
| Huawei. | ||
| Huawei tested AI software that could recognize Uyghur minorities and alert police. | ||
| For those that don't know, China is currently operating concentration camps with one million Uyghur Muslims detained. | ||
| The Chinese government is using them as cheap labor and harvesting their organs. | ||
| Being able to use facial recognition to identify them is beyond what we ever... In all the nightmare dystopia movies we have, people put their hoods up and they run and they hide and they see the cop go by and they like duck their head. | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| In this world, there's gonna be cameras everywhere and they're just gonna know where you are. | ||
| And this is the same country influencing our politicians. | ||
| This is the same country... Bragging that Joe Biden is compromised. | ||
| financing the sons of politicians, sending out spies that help politicians get elected here, named Feng Feng, that are Chinese professional geisha honeypots. | ||
| I mean, they're talking about microwaving weapons, gene-splicing super soldiers. | ||
| I mean, we're in a predicament here that that's really major. | ||
| They're like the Empire from Star Wars. | ||
| But we are the Empire. | ||
| What makes them different? | ||
| So, you know, you're looking at it from the standpoint of their boundaries, right? | ||
| So that's a country, and they're acting as a sovereign, and they're doing their own job. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| They have international... No, but what I'm saying is that it could just as well be anywhere. | ||
| What we're looking at is the power people that are in charge, the people that are controlling, let's say, the technology, that are controlling all the corporate resources, right? | ||
| They don't really know nationality. | ||
| So like to me, I don't care if my oligarchs are Chinese, Russian, or American. | ||
| It doesn't matter. | ||
| This is a really important point. | ||
| As we just noted with the Pope story, it's operating a lot in China, but the interests are these massive corporations. | ||
| International, globalists. | ||
| That's what I'm saying. | ||
| And what concerns me when you talk about it in terms of the Chinese... Are we turning into Alex Jones show? | ||
| Well, no. | ||
| Globalists! | ||
| But when you say things like the Chinese, it almost puts like a blame on that it's China. | ||
| And sort of like when Trump calls it the China virus. | ||
| Right. | ||
| The Kung Flu. | ||
| To be correct here. | ||
| But I think that it almost gives this perception of that it really has to do with their nation. | ||
| And I don't think that. | ||
| I think it's bigger than that. | ||
| Well, the people. | ||
| And I think, I don't know if it was you who clarified this, but it's the Chinese Communist Party. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Okay. | ||
| Yeah, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And I think that is the thing. | ||
| And when you say China, I think a lot of people just think, Oh, it's Chinese. | ||
| No. | ||
| Well, when you look at the Uyghur Muslim concentration camps, there's even reports that many companies like Nike and Apple benefit off of that human slave labor. | ||
| Remember when Mulan, was it Mulan, where they did Disney Plus with the movie, and they thanked this paramilitary group that is enslaving people? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That is in charge of watching the Uyghur Muslims. | ||
| Well, I call them I-slaves. | ||
| Aren't they called I-slaves, the people that make the iPhones? | ||
| And they have the suicide nets outside of the factories. | ||
| And well, you know, they moved their factory. | ||
| Their factory used to be in the city. | ||
| And then enough people were protesting it and not liking it. | ||
| So then they moved out into like the middle of nowhere, China. | ||
| And there's a compound. | ||
| That's where the ice slaves are. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
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| Man. | ||
| It's a creepy world we live in. | ||
| But you know what the crazy thing is? | ||
| We all are sitting here basking in the benefits of this horrifying slave labor out of these camps and these factories. | ||
| But it happens here. | ||
| We just call it prison. | ||
| Oh, definitely. | ||
| Yeah, I remember when Kanye said something about repealing the 13th Amendment. | ||
| Do you remember that? | ||
| I don't listen to Kanye. | ||
| I try to avoid Kanye. | ||
| Let me make sure I have this correct. | ||
| I think he's disturbed. | ||
| And I also am not into celebrities that are rich for being famous and famous for being rich. | ||
| I understand your point. | ||
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| Kanye is the greatest musician of this or any generation. | ||
| Ever. | ||
| I'm kidding. | ||
| He's good. | ||
| I think he makes some good music. | ||
| Whatever. | ||
| Stay in your lane. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| But no, no, I bring this up because he tweeted that we should abolish the 13th and everyone started going nuts. | ||
| And what he meant was, though, the 13th Amendment allows slavery if you're convicted of a crime. | ||
| So Kamala Harris, she kept people in past their terms to use them as cheap labor, but not just that, to fight fires. | ||
| You're gonna risk your life for a dollar an hour and we're not letting you leave because we want you to be our front line. | ||
| They technically give them shortened time. | ||
| But they were supposed to be already out. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, it's just, it's crazy. | ||
| And it's obviously, um, it's slavery. | ||
| This is slavery. | ||
| And no, and he's right. | ||
| The 13th amendment does that. | ||
| That is the one thing. | ||
| That clause is what has allowed our corrections institutions to run away with what it has. | ||
| Like that's, that clause has been that, but I mean, obviously abolishing the 13th amendment would not be a good idea otherwise. | ||
| Get rid of that prison provision. | ||
| But no, it's true. | ||
| And that has allowed this to go on for as long as it has. | ||
| We need prison reform. | ||
| We in this country, we treat prison like an opportunity for big business. | ||
| And that's because of the 13th Amendment. | ||
| It's a profit motive. | ||
| We need to not have a profit motive. | ||
| It's because of too much government and too much laws and too many bureaucrats just making things up to satisfy their imaginable public. | ||
| Meanwhile, they're working for the corporation. | ||
| So that's the problem. | ||
| I remember growing up, the right was very much like, the government is a problem, the corporations are fine, and the left was like, the corporations are the problem, the government is fine. | ||
| And it's kind of like, you know, it's bad people exploiting any kind of structured system, and they're doing a revolving door between each other to make money and exploit us. | ||
| Yeah, the lobbies. | ||
| A corporation, look, you can have a small business as a corporation, and you can have a government of a small town of 2,000 people, and everyone's very happy. | ||
| Now, when we say corporate, We're talking the big people. | ||
| Yes, technically, my little Gen Corp is a corporation. | ||
| We're not exploiting the people. | ||
| So no, we're talking about the big ones. | ||
| And when we say government, we mean the revolving door policies of the military-industrial complex and big business. | ||
| The prison-industrial complex, the big pharma-industrial complex. | ||
| We could keep going, but I do think there's a big agenda to keep people divided, keep people fighting each other. | ||
| That's why there's a meme of libertarians beating up other libertarians and laughing at each other. | ||
| And, you know, even though me and you disagree, like, I got micro-triggered when you say collectivism. | ||
| I'm sorry. | ||
| I'm messing with you. | ||
| I'm joking. | ||
| I'm being facetious. | ||
| Okay, because I couldn't clarify what I mean. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm being very facetious. | ||
| Because I'm not a communist. | ||
| I know. | ||
| I'm being very facetious. | ||
| I always believe in decentralization, but I believe it's more productive if we could actually sit down and listen to each other and learn from each other rather than just try to win an internet argument and try to be better than each other. | ||
| And that's why, you know, I thank you for coming here and talking to us because I think it's important to reach out to all the disenfranchised people and say, hey man, enough is enough. | ||
| Let's all come together and look at the wrongdoings and evils. | ||
| We have a lot more that we agree on that we don't. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| We do. | ||
| And there's a big illusion to make us not understand that. | ||
| So we were talking about Watchmen a couple times in the past few episodes. | ||
| Are you familiar with the graphic novel or the movie? | ||
| Okay, I'm married. | ||
| I was the original Penny. | ||
| You know Penny from Big Bang Theory? | ||
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| You've never watched the Big Bang Theory? | ||
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I don't like Big Bang Theory. | |
| Okay, well it's cheesy, but she's like this one girl that's always in the comic book store. | ||
| And so when I started dating my husband, he collects comics. | ||
| Like, he's obsessed with comics. | ||
| So I was one of those girls that would walk into the comic book store and all the guys were like... | ||
| What is she doing here? | ||
| You know, like the crazy... So no, I'm very familiar with The Watchman. | ||
| The movie was horrible though. | ||
| Can I say that? | ||
| I like the movie. | ||
| The graphic novel is like a masterpiece. | ||
| With the exception of, what was it, Billy Kudrow naked? | ||
| I'm pretty sure. | ||
| I'm pretty sure that I... And the director's cut, they show it all. | ||
| Okay, see, now that made it worthwhile. | ||
| But no, I mean, I just didn't... | ||
| So but you know, like they created in the graphic novel, the alien and fake alien invasion. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Joe Biden could be that alien invasion. | ||
| You're assuming that there's a there there. | ||
| You're assuming that it's there's something in there. | ||
| Of Joe Biden? | ||
| Well, yeah. | ||
| That's what I mean. | ||
| He's literally like a mannequin. | ||
| He's a scare populist. | ||
| Did you see the little video, Weekend at Biden's? | ||
| Have you seen this thing? | ||
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| It was beautiful. | ||
| It was amazing. | ||
| But no, no, no, but he's a scare populist. | ||
| They put him, they strung him up on a little post and all the left and the right populists are going, ah, like looking at him, you know, like he's bad. | ||
| Maybe this will be something that unites. | ||
| Are you saying you think Biden's the great unifier? | ||
| Well, I mean, jokingly, whether he realizes it or not— By default. | ||
| He's the hapless, and I think he's crooked, but also— Okay, but I think they're all crooked. | ||
| I do. | ||
| I mean, this is—and that's the thing, when you want to sit there and talk about, like, Hunter Biden and all that, please don't get started on, like, Trump's family and Trump's kids. | ||
| It's like, you're talking about an entire group of people that, by definition, are filthy to be where they are. | ||
| And we're not in that group. | ||
| So it's kind of like, that's just splitting hairs. | ||
| I think Joe Biden is just like almost nothing. | ||
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| You know, like... Yeah. | ||
| It's a shell. | ||
| He's a vapid shell. | ||
| He's there and the regular people who are, you know, paying attention, starting to wake up and get active to these exploitation, they see him standing there in the window of the White House just on his post, you know, not really doing anything. | ||
| And they go like, ah, like something's wrong here. | ||
| Like we got to do something. | ||
| It's getting people active. | ||
| So I think, you know, it's interesting how Aside from the weird woke left, I guess, and they're often in alignment with the establishment, the media, the corporations, they think they're the resistance or whatever. | ||
| I don't know what you call the non-woke left, but there's like anti-war progressives, they get censored all the time, and they're very much... I'm the non-woke left. | ||
| But like, the Trump supporters hate war. | ||
| There was a, I think it's the American... He campaigned on that! | ||
| Against war, Trump? | ||
| Yeah! | ||
| Yeah, I know. | ||
| And so now Trump is like, I think one of the reasons he really wants to pull the troops out of Afghanistan is because he wants to get as much support from regular people as possible who hate war. | ||
| So he's like, I'm gonna make it happen. | ||
| But everybody hates war. | ||
| Like Luke was saying earlier in the show, every president has campaigned on it because it's popular. | ||
| People hate it. | ||
| It's a waste of our energy. | ||
| I always say this. | ||
| Why are we allocating so much money to any kind of foreign excursion or intervention when that money could be allocated to Flint fixing the pipes? | ||
| That's not a priority. | ||
| It's the craziest thing. | ||
| Because that doesn't financially benefit the people in charge. | ||
| The military does. | ||
| Building roads and creating economic opportunity in these other countries that make money for big corporations and internationalists is good. | ||
| Making sure that American citizens are benefiting from our community, which guarantees them clean water and not getting Legionnaire's disease, well, that they don't care about. | ||
| But that's, we have to talk about the collective then. | ||
| When we talk about clean water, we have to talk about what's in the best interest of the collective. | ||
| The community. | ||
| Well, that's what I mean when I say collective. | ||
| Well, right, you come together as a society to have certain benefits, right? | ||
| I think we need to come together as disenfranchised people, and then after that, if we are successful, you go on and do your thing how you want to do it in your place. | ||
| I'll do it in my place. | ||
| But that's already benefiting from the collective. | ||
| And we could have a decentralization, and we could have a commune that does it in a communistic way, and we could have a capitalistic utopia that does it their own way. | ||
| Just like that video game that we talked about a couple days ago. | ||
| Didn't Ron Paul say this? | ||
| There was a quote where he said that In this system, you're free to create your own socialist community. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Chaz, you know? | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| Well, so I put it this way. | ||
| The reason why I really liked Ron Paul, there were a lot of core issues relating to religion and stuff I didn't agree with. | ||
| But I remember when I was younger, I thought about it. | ||
| I was like, if he had his way and he created his libertarian-type society, I could have my more left-leaning community with no one | ||
| bothering us. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| You know, we can go do our thing. | ||
| Unless your community is poisoning Earth's water and destroying the air supply. | ||
| No, but we were the hippies. | ||
| Like, I worked for Greenpeace. | ||
| We're the people who are mad about that. | ||
| And so we were like, we wanted to have our space that would protect and isolate and, | ||
| you know, like isolate in a sense where it's like, don't come here. | ||
| Don't mess with our, you know, our clean water and air. | ||
| This is our, but you can have that in a more libertarian society. | ||
| Well, the libertarian idea is mainly let be and be as you want. | ||
| And as long as you're not forcing other individuals under the threat of violence to do something, we're okay. | ||
| But you know, I always come to that problem of like, I've had conversations with right anarchists or whatever. | ||
| What happens if I've got a stream for my community and then a mile downstream, some dude starts pooping in it? | ||
| Can you buy water? | ||
| know yeah that's like causing sickness and illness to my well you need to know | ||
| if they have if they subscribe to the common law flow of water if they've got | ||
| what's called riparian rights and it depends on where you live on the river | ||
| and you buy waters can you own it you can depend certain states have what's | ||
| called riparian rights which means that the person at the source is basically in | ||
| charge of what happens to what goes downstream right But then some states have it where you are in charge of what the water is behind your own property. | ||
| So it depends on the state. | ||
| It's state law. | ||
| It's in my benefit to work out my problems with my neighbors accordingly and in a peaceful manner. | ||
| And I'd rather have that problem Then have the military-industrial complex creating the worst humanitarian crisis in Yemen right now. | ||
| So if you have a choice right now, yeah, I'll argue with my neighbor about where to poop. | ||
| Sure, I'll do that gladly, any day, if it doesn't mean bombing the crap out of innocent people all over the world. | ||
| Well, there's different ways of defending yourself and dealing with those problems and situations, but obviously being a sovereign individual, you would, you know, I would go one mile upstream from him and start pooping in his water. | ||
| Well, and that is, and that's ultimately the problem with this kind of law is that there's, there's no end. | ||
| It's like leapfrog, like you just keep moving up and it's. | ||
| That's why we need collectivism, ultimately. | ||
| If you just let people go, start a community with no laws and they can go pollute the air at will. | ||
| You gotta clarify that though. | ||
| And you just go like you said you're joking but you go over there with your gun and you gotta deal with it somehow. | ||
| And then they gotta deal with you somehow. | ||
| You gotta clarify what collectivism is because what happens if two collectives start shooting at each other? | ||
| You got war. | ||
| They're not being collective together. | ||
| When we speak of a collective, I'm talking about whatever it is that substance that we're all paying taxes to. | ||
| That's the collective. | ||
| One of the biggest arguments against anarchism or libertarianism is that a bunch of crazy war mongers are gonna take over. | ||
| Well, look what happens now. | ||
| Look at the system that we have now. | ||
| So I would think there would be less harm. | ||
| I would think there would be less problems once we decentralize power and we don't have psychopaths with nuclear weapons that essentially start wars for profit. | ||
| But who's to say that the decentralized communities wouldn't build nuclear weapons? | ||
| Yeah, they might build crazier weapons, actually. | ||
| No joke, because the regulations would be extremely different, so... Do they have the resources? | ||
| Do they have the money? | ||
| Without a centralized force, it would be very difficult. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| One of the reasons why the U.S. | ||
| accelerated in a lot of crazy technology was because of a lack of understanding and regulation. | ||
| So you had people doing crazy radioactive experiments, so the government creates this overarching lockdown. | ||
| Doing research on LSD, the whole government's locked it down. | ||
| If you had disparate pockets of collectives, there could be one place where they're like, you're free to do whatever you want in that regard, and another place saying you can't do that. | ||
| That's like states. | ||
| We already have that with states. | ||
| No, but I mean like the federal government has locked down a lot of specific things. | ||
| Well, they lock it down when it doesn't benefit them financially, or they can't gain control over it. | ||
| We could still have a mutual defense agreement with all the different states, but I believe that individuals should determine how they want to live their lives. | ||
| And I think us getting more involved in local issues, local community politics, is the way to do it. | ||
| And then when we have this big, overcompensating federal government, we have to limit that as much as we can. | ||
| But we could still have a national defense and we could still live under the rules of anarchy or libertarianism or socialism or communism, depending on the community that determines what's right for them and their particular circumstance. | ||
| Because again, the biggest minority is the individual. | ||
| That's the one that we think we should always look out for over anyone else. | ||
| We're always big about local. | ||
| Like that's a big thing for us. | ||
| It's very local. | ||
| And people say, how can they get involved? | ||
| And like the most important thing is local because your needs are different locally. | ||
| Different communities. | ||
| I think big cities are bad. | ||
| Yeah, they're horrible. | ||
| I think big cities... They're COVID emporiums now. | ||
| Yeah, a lot of the complaints we hear about police, it's because the cops don't know or care about you. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So it's not community-based, they're not there to protect and serve in the sense that, you know, you're a member of my community, I'm gonna look out for you. | ||
| It's a big city and they bring in cops from one area to police the other area and mix them all around. | ||
| And then you have, you can't grow food, you can't be self-sufficient, you're reliant on things coming in, the cost of living skyrockets. | ||
| I think people gotta, you know, be more, I don't want to say rural, but maybe like semi-rural suburban, you know? | ||
| But it's communal. | ||
| What you're talking about is kind of a communal thing. | ||
| Absolutely, yeah, yeah. | ||
| So I consider myself left libertarian, but the way I describe it is, what people don't understand about left libertarians, it really bothers me, is that whenever they do the political compass memes, the left authoritarian is like the tankies and the communists, and the left libertarian is Antifa. | ||
| And I'm like, that's not libertarian. | ||
| You can't go over- Well, see, this is all labels. | ||
| Like, these are all the labels. | ||
| This is why it's so hard to deal with this. | ||
| It's true, and you're trying to define what it is, but I'll try to break it down. | ||
| Here's what I say. | ||
| They say that Antifa, they go on protest, they fight, they throw rocks and bricks. | ||
| It's not libertarian to exert a force over another person. | ||
| That's- Opposite. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Left Libertarian is hippies on a farm sharing, like, yeah, I just grew this watermelon. | ||
| You want to have some? | ||
| And they just share. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it's really easy in a small community. | ||
| It's really hard in cities, and it's really hard scaling up into government, states, and federal level. | ||
| So it's really easy to set up a farm and have friends and work there and share what you make. | ||
| It's really hard to do that if you're a federal government with 300 million people. | ||
| Once you go out into the farm and start working on the land, those people typically become libertarians or anarchists for a reason, because of all the hard work associated with it. | ||
| Yes, but you could be left libertarian in that, these are my friends, this is my family, and I'm gonna give my watermelon to my friends and family. | ||
| As long as you're not forcing watermelon down people's throats and using force and aggression with that, then fine, yeah, of course, do that. | ||
| The history of farms, though, is that they would get invaded and taken. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Because the authoritarian structures, one, you know, Genghis Khan for instance, can force people and then just take it over faster than you can defend it. | ||
| That's why it doesn't scale up very well. | ||
| It's very difficult to maintain. | ||
| So ultimately, you know, realistically, I become more liberal than anything. | ||
| Because you need some kind of authority, not authoritarianism, but some kind of mutual group, self-defense, common defense, etc. | ||
| Well, someone has to be in charge in a sense that there have to be budgets. | ||
| If you're living in any sort of society, there has to be some sort of structure. | ||
| And so somebody does have to be. | ||
| But it's, you know, you're talking about it could be a board. | ||
| It could be a committee. | ||
| It's a commission. | ||
| And it could be more revolving, too. | ||
| It should be more revolving. | ||
| I think the American government is brilliant. | ||
| We have Congress for passing laws, and it's representing the people, the Senate, the upper changer, representing the states, and the executive branch for quick military decisions in the common defense. | ||
| However, I think the system has been slowly eroded, and now we have a lot of corruption in it. | ||
| Yeah, that's going to be tested very soon, especially after the election in Georgia, if the Democrats have full power over all of the government. | ||
| So that's going to be very interesting to see. | ||
| And yet I think they'll still do nothing. | ||
| I disagree. | ||
| Oh, no, no, no. | ||
| I think in terms of what you're hoping for, you're right. | ||
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| No, I'm talking in terms of like the policy that we're seeking to actually accomplish. | ||
| In terms of selling out the working class. | ||
| Oh, yeah. | ||
| No, no, no, no. | ||
| I actually thought for a second I was thinking about like, you know, helpful democratic policies that are actually in their platform that they might actually do that, but no. | ||
| No. | ||
| Yeah, it's going to be a bunch of people in an ivory tower sipping their tea with pinkies out saying, well, now that we've regained control, you know, let's extract more value from these people and give them nothing in return. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Let's take super chats! | ||
| Because I see a lot of people have a lot of interesting things to say. | ||
| Cassius Cam says, it wasn't a Chinese spy, it was a coffee cup. | ||
| PSTim, Luke was right about the Vax. | ||
| I did issue a correction. | ||
| I said I thought everything's gonna be fine, people are gonna get the vaccine, nothing's gonna happen, and I... | ||
| It's almost like the universe is playing a prank on me. | ||
| Because I'm like, look, people get flu shots all the time. | ||
| We don't hear these stories. | ||
| I have a normal C-Bias. | ||
| Do you get a flu shot? | ||
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| I don't either. | ||
| Never since I stopped working at the hospital. | ||
| If you haven't already, smash that like button and get your superchats in. | ||
| We'll read through as many as we can. | ||
| Daniel Ashley says, where can we find you when Google de-platforms you? | ||
| Down by the river fishing. | ||
| That's the best I can say. | ||
| Did something just go by saying Jen loves men in diapers? | ||
| I mean, maybe. | ||
| I swear that I just saw something fly by that says Jen likes men in diapers. | ||
| Don't read the chat, whatever you do. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I just thought that was funny. | ||
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What does that mean? | |
| What is happening? | ||
| The chat is happening. | ||
| Max Power says martial law now. | ||
| Stop the Great Reset, stop the lockdowns. | ||
| Uh, you know, martial law would just be civil war. | ||
| If that really happened. | ||
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I'd say, just, it's a bad idea. | |
| Okay, let's see what we got here. | ||
| Carlos Cruz says, suggestion, the authoritarians shouldn't be called communists. | ||
| There are too many who view communism favorably. | ||
| Call them neo-feudalists. | ||
| No defense. | ||
| Interesting. | ||
| Well, I actually think it's a better way to put everything because what we're seeing with COVID lockdowns and the extraction of wealth and the corporations and everything, it's very much like a neo-feudalism. | ||
| They're stripping the wealth and ownership away from the working class to make them subservient to the machine. | ||
| They're essentially neo-serfs. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And just like you said, capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty than any other system out there. | ||
| That's correct, yeah. | ||
| And what these big businesses and corporations and the Pope are proposing is... Redefining capitalism. | ||
| But it's not capitalism. | ||
| It's a bunch of powerful interests who control the foreign resources. | ||
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Feudalism. | |
| And I thought, we've pretty much said it's socialism. | ||
| It's socialism for the rich. | ||
| If it were really capitalism and they were really having to be survival of the fittest and let the market decide, most of them wouldn't be around anymore. | ||
| They're like that because they've bought off enough policies. | ||
| Just like the big banks in 2008. | ||
| It's kind of like once they went off the gold standard to this fiat currency, they became socialist. | ||
| Because it allows them to extract value. | ||
| Unlimited amounts. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| They just print money. | ||
| Yep. | ||
| On the gold standard, you need gold to buy things. | ||
| You need that value. | ||
| So the fiat system allows them to just, like, if all of us were working and trading and I could print money, I could just sit here, do no work, and just print the money and give it to you and you'd accept it. | ||
| That's what they're doing. | ||
| The gold standard stopped that. | ||
| So what was it, Trump tried appointing this woman who won the gold standard back and then everyone blocked her? | ||
| I love it. | ||
| It's fun, isn't it? | ||
| Desiree Smith says, do you have another platform besides YouTube? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| The Tim Pool Daily Show and Timcast IRL are on all podcast platforms. | ||
| So, Spotify and iTunes. | ||
| Go check it out, subscribe, and leave a good review. | ||
| It boosts up the show in the rankings, and then people will find the show more, and then it creates a snowball effect, so it would be really great. | ||
| Also, if you miss the live show, you can check it out there, too. | ||
| Midnight in Exile says, I'd love to know if this woman understands that she betrayed her country to China for a superficial feeling of superiority and social belonging. | ||
| I'd love to know how that sits with her psyche. | ||
| First of all, this woman is Jen Perlman. | ||
| They're talking about me? | ||
| That's about me? | ||
| I don't think they were talking about me. | ||
| Well, no, I thought they were... That's about... What did I do? | ||
| They're talking about Biden and Biden's ties to China. | ||
| Yeah, it's not. | ||
| I know. | ||
| Again, I'm not proud of it. | ||
| I own it. | ||
| But I also have to say that given where I am and the change that I'm trying to make and what I'm trying to do and us on a local level and building up a name and building up a platform, there are certain things that unfortunately I have to live with within the Democratic Party that I just do. | ||
| I mean, you could lie and say you didn't vote for him, but you're saying you did. | ||
| And also... I'm owning it because that's who I am and that's what I do. | ||
| And again, I'm not proud of that choice. | ||
| It's not like I'm, again, not defending it. | ||
| I'm not saying anybody else should do it. | ||
| I could have gone a few different ways. | ||
| I also think, you know, my response to you, Midnight in Exile, is I think you should be soft touch. | ||
| You've got, you know, Jen here is very much in agreement on a lot of the things. | ||
| We have a great conversation. | ||
| So she's certainly willing to have a conversation. | ||
| We've got to make sure that when we're talking to people who, like, voted for Biden, we don't just Yeah, I'm not promoting him. | ||
| Let me be very clear. | ||
| Like, I didn't promote him. | ||
| I've only criticized him. | ||
| I made it very clear when I was open about that I did, that this by no means negates that I hold him accountable for all his bad choices, policies, and very, very credible sexual assault allegations. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, were you following the story about Di Dongsheng in this speech he gave about the Bidens being compromised or anything like that? | ||
| No, I will not. | ||
| I'm not. | ||
| That's the thing, too. | ||
| I think a lot of people assume that everyone knows what they know. | ||
| And if you've got somebody who's willing to have a conversation and we, for the most part, agree on, like, big corporations, you know, exploitative corporations and government are extracting our resources, well, then let's flies with honey. | ||
| I mean, I am not the person that is selling anybody out. | ||
| I'm just, you know, I'm just a person trying to do service and help. | ||
| I mean, it's like I was between a rock and a hard place. | ||
| And quite honestly, the damage that it would do to my movement. | ||
| If I didn't support Joe and was out there saying that, that would end up hurting the progress that we're trying to make for ignorant means and reasons. | ||
| And that doesn't serve what we're trying to do, which is ultimately help people. | ||
| So there is a certain amount of strategy that has to just be in play. | ||
| I just think it's, you know, for most people, a rock and a hard place. | ||
| I think Biden's substantially worse. | ||
| But I also think I'm not the smartest person in the world and I'm morally superior to other people. | ||
| So I don't know. | ||
| You know, other than having a conversation and trying to convince people, let's let's talk about policies, I guess. | ||
| That's all I do. | ||
| I do that. | ||
| That's mostly what I do is talk about policy. | ||
| This is what I'm about. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| What's that look, Luke? | ||
| You got a look on your face. | ||
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No, no, no. | |
| I'm reading the comments there. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I love the comments. | ||
| All right. | ||
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Do they hate me? | |
| Are they hating me? | ||
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No. | |
| No. | ||
| Let's see. | ||
| Daniel Maxwell says, the Texas case being heard by SCOTUS is the best chance of the election being resolved peacefully. | ||
| The left will explode, but then things will settle down and go forward in a peaceful manner. | ||
| I'm not convinced there's a resolution there. | ||
| I mean, we saw how bad it was when Trump legitimately won. | ||
| What do you think's gonna happen if he gets this Supreme Court victory? | ||
| It's gonna be crazy. | ||
| I mean, and what do you think's gonna happen if the Supreme Court says no to 17 states challenging the results? | ||
| Like, we're in a seriously rough spot right now. | ||
| Yeah, to say the least. | ||
| There's no win. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And that's the thing. | ||
| There's no win. | ||
| I mean, there's not an easy answer to any of this. | ||
| Lone Wolf says, Will you guys promise to continue producing as long as it's viable for you to do so? | ||
| We are all grasping to the thin few remaining strands of sanity, and the nation needs you as one of the strongest threads we have. | ||
| Well, I appreciate that, and if you think the show is good, then please consider sharing it and letting people know to watch and check us out and leave reviews and comment and all that stuff. | ||
| Alright, looks like we got some criticism. | ||
| Versi says, Typical leftist. | ||
| Says she's everything that's right about her party, then proceeds to give examples as to why her party sucks. | ||
| Says she doesn't like them, but says she is one of them and says she won't vote for them but does. | ||
| Well, I don't. | ||
| I generally don't vote for them. | ||
| This is something that is really upsetting. | ||
| This is a total strawmanning situation. | ||
| Like, everybody's in one category. | ||
| I don't sing any praises about that. | ||
| Oh, I mean, the left is a million different. | ||
| It is. | ||
| And the reality is, I live in a closed primary state in an extremely gerrymandered district. | ||
| So the only way for us to make any progress, which being the only way for us to oust somebody like Debbie Wasserman Schultz, is to do so within the confines of the Democratic Party. | ||
| Trump did it with the Republicans. | ||
| This is my reality. | ||
| I'm not there by philosophical choice. | ||
| So you can call me a typical lefty. | ||
| I'm dealt with the card that I'm dealt. | ||
| I live in a place where if I were to run as an independent, I would get absolutely nowhere. | ||
| So, you know, it's just a matter of the puritanical principles of it all is not worth throwing away our entire strategy to try to help people with policy. | ||
| The way I see it is if they're mad that you voted for Biden, but you're still willing to have a conversation and oppose the establishment machine, they should take the allies where they can get them. | ||
| It's better than having no support. | ||
| I say the same thing to the people on the establishment left. | ||
| They can't stand that I affiliate with Republicans. | ||
| I go to the Republican meetings in our district because we have a lot in common. | ||
| I actually met people protesting the oil drill in the Everglades. | ||
| Those are Republicans. | ||
| So if we can agree on that, let's work on that. | ||
| I don't care what your issue is on choice. | ||
| That's another issue. | ||
| We can work on this fracking in the Everglades thing. | ||
| Let's do that. | ||
| Wow, really? | ||
| Fracking in the Everglades? | ||
| Fracking everywhere. | ||
| But we finally had a major showdown in Florida because a company owned this huge portion of land in the Everglades and they were going to start drilling there. | ||
| And it is so dangerous to do that for so many reasons, not to mention it's close to our drinking water. | ||
| Forget if you don't care about the other ecosystems. | ||
| But yeah, and the Republican organization is against this and I'm against this. | ||
| So yet I have people in my group, on my team, that criticize me for having relationships across that aisle. | ||
| So, I am just a person who is trying to serve my community and get the best policies to help the most amount of people and try to avoid as many labels as possible. | ||
| That's really what I'm trying to do. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| Gary Bane says, I think we are on the verge of civil war. | ||
| People are hoping and waiting for the best. | ||
| After that, people do not feel that we have any law on our side. | ||
| Then we don't need them, meaning we will need to remove people however needed. | ||
| Can you feel this? | ||
| Kind of hard to understand, I guess. | ||
| Well, look at how the law is being bastardized right now with all the lockdowns and police officers arresting people for being in their own businesses and not doing anything wrong or illegal or immoral. | ||
| And officers literally cage you up, put you in a cell where you're not social distancing all for the crimes of not social distancing. | ||
| So I think he's talking about the breakdown of rule of law, since it's pretty much politicians living on high horses, sending out their decrees and mainly democratic cities that are causing so much human suffering right now. | ||
| So, it's going to be interesting to see how people come out of that. | ||
| I predicted this to you, Jen, earlier. | ||
| Yeah, Royal Raptor says this woman is not the left She can say whatever she wants | ||
| But the real left are the ones making moves in Capitol Hill and making laws for or for people or people with social | ||
| power Her left she claims to be is dead. That's why us right use | ||
| the term remember earlier I was saying that people are gonna say you're not really | ||
| the left Yeah. | ||
| No, it's funny, but when you look at what we consider the left or left of center, right? | ||
| So left of center are the kind of social policies that I am a proponent of, right? | ||
| Left of center, you have things like Medicare for all, you have a living wage, you have increased taxing on the rich, you have basically an economy that works for everybody, that works for working people. | ||
| So what I represent, when we say the left, I am of the labor party that no longer exists. | ||
| So what used to be the left, when we say left, to me, we think working people, we think the labor, the labor movement left. | ||
| That's the right these days. | ||
| Well, now it is. | ||
| Now it is. | ||
| But it wasn't always that way. | ||
| I mean, look, when FDR gave us the New Deal, that was about helping save capitalism from imploding by having people still be able to be consumers. | ||
| You cannot have capitalism without consumers. | ||
| So I mean, I don't I mean, I'm going by the labels that are given to me by everybody else. | ||
| I don't really like to use labels. | ||
| So you know, you guys are really the ones that more call me left. | ||
| I'm just simply differentiating myself from who you call that woke left. | ||
| Do you ever look into auditing and repealing the Federal Reserve Act? | ||
| Um, no, but I'm not a fan of the Federal Reserve. | ||
| So I mean, I could look into that. | ||
| I mean, I'm open to that. | ||
| I'm a pretty open person. | ||
| Like, my goal is to help as many people as possible. | ||
| So I don't have a particular, like, dogma, right? | ||
| Like, I don't have a particular thing. | ||
| I want people to have Medicare. | ||
| I want people to be able to work 40 hours a week and be able to live. | ||
| You know, that's what I want. | ||
| So anything that will facilitate that is going to be something I'll support. | ||
| Well, we got a couple good superchats. | ||
| James O'Connor says, yes, this is the conversation that needs to be had. | ||
| Trump has, Trump was, has been the biggest threat to the military-industrial complex, but is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. | ||
| Why he is being discredited, not assassinated. | ||
| And then Rob Walter says, love the guest and discussion. | ||
| You kids are the hope for our country. | ||
| I'm 54, he says. | ||
| We need to talk. | ||
| That's my peer. | ||
| Thank you. | ||
| We need to talk, respect differences, find common ground, and make it cool to love our Constitution. | ||
| Too funny Tim did not know who Wilt Chamberlain is. | ||
| Yeah, that was funny. | ||
| Because Wilt Chamberlain was here the other day? | ||
| By the way, when you kept saying that, I kept picturing Wilt Chamberlain. | ||
| Wilt Chamberlain? | ||
| Yes! | ||
| I didn't know who, like, I kept picturing that, and I'm picturing Wilt Chamberlain. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| When I first met him, I'm like, wait, Wilt Chamberlain? | ||
| Is that the, wait, what? | ||
| I know that name. | ||
| Did he sleep with like 30,000 women? | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's something, I always say, look, when I meet like athletes, I'm like, they should be aspiring for Wilt Chamberlain numbers. | ||
| I would be. | ||
| Highest 100 points in a game or something. | ||
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You're talking about points, not women. | |
| I don't think Trump was a threat to the military-industrial complex at all. | ||
| I think he just played the game. | ||
| He talked big game, and then he drone-bombed war, and then just didn't do anything. | ||
| He did what everyone did. | ||
| They said what was popular. | ||
| He didn't do anything that would upset the boat at all. | ||
| But in the past couple of years, he's gone so hard against them, Democrats and Republicans united to stop him and lie to him. | ||
| What does he do? | ||
| He does lip service. | ||
| He doesn't do anything. | ||
| What do you mean? | ||
| He fired the Pentagon top brass to put in people that would- He lied to them, like, two weeks ago. | ||
| Yes, and it's been an ongoing news story that he was lied to in order to keep troops in the Middle East, and he's been actively trying to get them out. | ||
| That came out two weeks ago, too. | ||
| Like, he had four years of doing just warfare. | ||
| The story about the Syria line was actually years ago when they did this. | ||
| Trump was trying to pull the troops out of Syria a long time ago and they lied to him to keep the troops there. | ||
| I mean, it was like, what, four troops he wanted to pull out? | ||
| No, I think it was a few thousand. | ||
| And then they said, there's only 200 left. | ||
| He said, okay, there's actually substantially more. | ||
| We don't know. | ||
| We have like 120 military bases all over the world. | ||
| I just think it's too overly pessimistic. | ||
| We have close to a thousand military bases. | ||
| Those are the ones that we know of that are underwater. | ||
| Some of those are like black ops things. | ||
| And it's interesting because there are sites, there are things that we don't even include in that number, but that are out there. | ||
| Like nuclear submarines. | ||
| Oh, I don't know about that, but I know that there's somebody who I'm looking at talking to for an interview who was an insider person that came across a U.S. | ||
| op site in Uzbekistan that was not even registered and they were doing torture there. | ||
| And this is somebody, this was like, I want to say the British ambassador, like he's not an American. | ||
| This is somebody else. | ||
| And he ended up losing his job for pointing that out. | ||
| And I learned this from my interview with John Kiriakou. | ||
| I don't know if you're familiar with John Kiriakou. | ||
| John Kiriakou is a whistleblower. | ||
| He's a CIA analyst and he actually did 23 months. | ||
| He's the person who exposed the torture. | ||
| Oh, that's right. | ||
| Did they go after him for that? | ||
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| No, he did 23 months. | ||
| That's right. | ||
| And 23 months in actual prison, not club fed. | ||
| And so he's the one who told me about this. | ||
| So there's this site just randomly in Uzbekistan where we're just committing torture. | ||
| And the person who pointed that out, of course, is the person who gets fired. | ||
| Listen, if you're not going to praise someone when they do something good, they'll never do anything good. | ||
| But to the point, he didn't go after the military, but if he did, they would have killed him. | ||
| I can't hold his feet to the fire that hard. | ||
| It comes down to one of my core philosophies is that if someone is doing something bad, | ||
| you criticize them. | ||
| If they do something good, you praise them. | ||
| If you're just going to say, no, I don't care, Trump's bad no matter what he tried to do, | ||
| well then why would he ever try to do better? | ||
| I kind of agree with that. | ||
| I tried to be on his side for the sake of it, but the fact that we don't know how many people he killed with drone bombs because he made it that way is psychotic. | ||
| No new wars. | ||
| And so- The drone war. | ||
| Yeah, see that's- No, no, no, listen, listen. | ||
| Yeah, no, you're both right. | ||
| He upped drones early on, and I railed on him relentlessly for the first couple of years. | ||
| After he fired Bolton, things started calming down in terms of the things he was doing. | ||
| That we know of. | ||
| Yes, of course. | ||
| So all I can do is say he literally signed these four historic peace deals. | ||
| He's been trying to remove the troops for a long time now, and Democrats and Republicans are blocking him, and they're lying to him for years. | ||
| So I'm going to do this. | ||
| I'm going to say Trump's not perfect. | ||
| I don't like the Iran stuff. | ||
| I don't like the drone strikes, the potential escalation with Iran, the killing of the scientists and all that stuff. | ||
| But if Trump's going to get our troops out of there, that's going to end all of that. | ||
| And so I'm going to do this. | ||
| If somebody's doing something bad, I'll criticize them. | ||
| The moment they do something good, I'll say, thank you for doing the right thing. | ||
| Because if you don't, they'll never be incentivized to do the right thing. | ||
| It's the best you can do. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So Trump says, get the troops out. | ||
| I say, thank you, Donald Trump. | ||
| That's so amazing. | ||
| You're the best. | ||
| Please get our troops out. | ||
| But then do you hold him accountable when he doesn't do it? | ||
| Yeah, I'll say, and there we go again, just like, you know. | ||
| So, look, he campaigned on ending the wars, and then once he got in, I was like, Bolton. | ||
| It was the funniest thing ever when he hired him. | ||
| But what did he think would happen with that? | ||
| Like, and you know what? | ||
| He's not perfect. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
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He's actually naive. | |
| When you're in that position, you have a duty to sort of know when you're staffing and have, like, I'm sorry, how can you not know who John Bolton is? | ||
| Or how about bringing in Elliott Abrams to go and solve the problem in Venezuela? | ||
| That's not going to help. | ||
| I think Trump underestimated the, what's the right word? | ||
| The entrenchment of the establishment machine or the deep state. | ||
| Well, that's what we were talking about before. | ||
| And I think, but if he really did something about it. | ||
| really did something about it, then he would no longer be with us. | ||
| Well, you know, maybe this will be the best lame duck session ever. | ||
| And we'll see what happens with these lawsuits. | ||
| Maybe it won't be. | ||
| If Trump gets reelected, he's going to go nuclear against all of this. | ||
| It's going to be, he's going to be flipping tables. | ||
| You know what I mean? | ||
| But in the event he doesn't, maybe in the next month, he'll start flipping tables. | ||
| And we'll see. | ||
| One could only hope there'll be less government. | ||
| I just don't think that's going to happen. | ||
| I don't see that happening. | ||
| I know, I know. | ||
| You're definitely like, I mean, you're a little bit more utopian than me with that. | ||
| That was a sarcastic comment, yes. | ||
| All right, Joseph Flynn says, always good to hear from people who aren't wholly committed to the tribe. | ||
| If I lived in the correct district, I'd vote for you. | ||
| Shmi Skywalker for Supreme Chancellor. | ||
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Okay. | |
| I think you mean the leftist, the left tribe? | ||
| Matt Wesley says, Tim, would you agree civil war starts when peaceful talking stops? | ||
| Americans have stopped peaceful talking. | ||
| We live in two different realities. | ||
| It was actually the CEO of Axios. | ||
| He said that America is the decoupling is going to begin. | ||
| He fears this. | ||
| That the two different realities are now so far apart that that's it. | ||
| There's just two different Americas now. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's when I think we're on the cusp of conflict. | ||
| I can't believe 17 states have signed on to it. | ||
| I am curious where that goes. | ||
| Like, I'm one of the people that I'll make comments on that when we see what the facts are and where it actually goes before. | ||
| It's sort of like you can jump on that now, but it could end up going nowhere. | ||
| Keith Biggin says, Tim, please offer Luke a long term seat on the podcast. | ||
| He makes a great addition. | ||
| And it's really it's really nice to wake up and see him, you know, sitting in the parking lot, living there. | ||
| In my bathrobe. | ||
| Where were you before the parking lot? | ||
| New Hampshire. | ||
| Before the parking lot. | ||
| In another parking lot. | ||
| In New Hampshire. | ||
| We are going to buy a big... Were you really in a commune? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| That's really cool. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| But it was like a narco... It's a part of the Free State Project, which is a group of individuals moving to New Hampshire to eliminate the government. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Oh, we probably shouldn't say that on air. | ||
| Peacefully. | ||
| Peacefully. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Through legislative measures, which is kind of an oxymoron, but it's a bunch of individuals who believe in self-responsibility. | ||
| Okay, that makes more sense. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| That just sounds like terrorism. | ||
| Well, that's what I said. | ||
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Yes. | |
| Royal Raptor says, Tim, you don't care about masks, but you don't have to wear one all day. | ||
| I work in tech and have to have a mask on every day for like eight hours, and if I don't have it on, and I'm not eating, I get fired instantly, so rethink masks. | ||
| Well, no, I agree with you on that. | ||
| I'm talking about going to the store. | ||
| I wasn't talking about being at your job. | ||
| That's messed up, and that's a serious problem. | ||
| Um, I don't know the solution is to that. | ||
| You know, companies are going to have their rules. | ||
| If I go to the store and they tell me that I have to wear a mask, I'm kind of like, I gotta wear a shirt too. | ||
| So I'm going to be in here for 20 minutes. | ||
| It's I'm not super concerned. | ||
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Yeah. | |
| Eight hours is crazy for sure. | ||
| Especially if you see the, I see the photos of the doctors, the lines on their faces. | ||
| It's crazy too. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Vsidia says, just wanted to point out, none of these sites ever fact check. | ||
| I can't read that. | ||
| YouTube will ban me. | ||
| I would have read it. | ||
| I would like to read it. | ||
| Luke has merchandise that says that. | ||
| So we can be there in print and you just can't say it? | ||
| No, they banned it. | ||
| They banned that merchandise. | ||
| I have to have a second store just for that merchandise. | ||
| It's about an individual and not doing a thing. | ||
| That's all I can say. | ||
| It's about an individual for over 30 years. | ||
| He's a guy who had an island. | ||
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Yes. | |
| And with presidents who went there. | ||
| They banned that? | ||
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Yes. | |
| That's amazing. | ||
| Welcome to Despotic Overlord, Nightmare Dystopia. | ||
| So, you know, whatever. | ||
| All right, let's see. | ||
| Oh, we jumped down. | ||
| Anton Maxson says, Google News, U.S. | ||
| currency on the Behance... What is this? | ||
| Behance site? | ||
| Will this be U.S. | ||
| blockchain currency? | ||
| Looks pretty cool, actually. | ||
| Please take a look. | ||
| And should I run for city council or another position? | ||
| I am one block left of center on policy. | ||
| Where do I start? | ||
| Is that for me? | ||
| Not necessarily, but sure. | ||
| Where does someone start if they want to run for office? | ||
| I have a lot of opinions about that. | ||
| So this needs to be something that's a ground-up, not a top-down approach. | ||
| So running for office needs to, if it wants to be successful, it should most be organic. | ||
| So it isn't a matter of you deciding, I want that job, now let me go sell myself to those constituents. | ||
| You're going to be most successful when you actually represent those constituents naturally, organically. | ||
| And the way to do that is to get involved locally and move your way up. | ||
| But every market and every district is different. | ||
| So whether or not, what did he say, he was just center or whatever he said he is? | ||
| One block left is center. | ||
| One block left is center. | ||
| I mean, that really depends on where that is, what that district is, what the incumbent looks like. | ||
| Because there's so many variables. | ||
| It's not a matter of whether you want that. | ||
| You can want that, but that doesn't make it happen. | ||
| And not everybody is cut out for this. | ||
| It really takes a very particular kind of person to be able to even campaign, let alone once you win. | ||
| So it takes some soul-searching. | ||
| That's what I think. | ||
| Ian Greenwood says, Jen, thank you for your principles and being on the show. | ||
| Thanks Tim and team for your service. | ||
| Appreciate it. | ||
| Eric Martindale says, read David Friedman's Machinery of Freedom, or watch the video summary. | ||
| Squarely resolves the question of rights enforcement and arbitration in an anarchist society. | ||
| I will check that out, definitely. | ||
| Michael Clouds says, Tim, you say you are willing to allow anyone who has been shadowbanned and deplatformed on your show, yet you seem to be scared of Nick Fuentes. | ||
| Why? | ||
| I won't have just anyone on the show for any reason, and just because someone's banned doesn't mean I'll have them on the show. | ||
| I have no problem with Nick Fuentes or having him on the show at all. | ||
| In fact, there's some friends of mine who are actually adamantly being like, dude, you definitely got this guy on the show. | ||
| It's just an issue of maximizing relevance. | ||
| And also, one of the challenges is I'm trying to avoid setting a precedent of people coming in chat and constantly berating me with who I have to have on the show. | ||
| And I've been worried that because there's been such a heavy push for Fuentes, that if I immediately just react to a comment saying, okay, we'll have him, then people are going to start sending emails and constantly berating us and demanding us to have people on the show. | ||
| Is this a democracy? | ||
| Is what the show? | ||
| Because, yeah, it shouldn't be. | ||
| It's not. | ||
| And may I ask who that is? | ||
| Because I don't even know who you're talking about. | ||
| Who is Fuentes? | ||
| America First. | ||
| I think they're called the Gropers. | ||
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Is that correct? | |
| They are called Gropers. | ||
| She's making a face. | ||
| No, no, no. | ||
| I'm listening. | ||
| They're America First. | ||
| I guess they're Trump supporters, right? | ||
| And he got banned because some clips were being taken and spread around. | ||
| are highly nationalistic. | ||
| They hold some beliefs that I do not hold. | ||
| I would be happy to engage with them, but like Tim says, I don't like being told to have- You mean you don't like to be bullied as to what to do with your smile? | ||
| I don't want to say necessarily bullied. | ||
| I just don't want people to be like, hey, everyone go into his chat and start, you know, just saying someone's name over and over. | ||
| Cause no, we've not gotten this for anybody else. | ||
| And so, like, it's difficult because we're like, oh, yeah, yeah. | ||
| Look, I've got a good friend who is prominent political commentator who thinks it'd be a really important conversation. | ||
| And that's why I'm willing to talk about it right now and bring it up when someone asks. | ||
| But it's really difficult because it's like almost every single day we'll get it. | ||
| People keep saying it over and over and over again. | ||
| And that makes it difficult. | ||
| It makes it very, very difficult because the way you ended up on the show is... Did we bully you? | ||
| No, we've interacted on social media, and then there was something that happened where we had a, you know, there was a comment exchange, and then I think, you know, we were like, oh, we'll do the show. | ||
| It was really, really simple. | ||
| The challenge is like, I can't just have people, you know, but we will, of course we will. | ||
| You're not avoiding it, that's the point. | ||
| You push too hard, guys. | ||
| Stop pushing him so hard. | ||
| I don't even want to put it that way. | ||
| It's just like, I do not want to get people coming in and spamming dislikes or whatever. | ||
| And being like, if we just go after him, he'll eventually have someone on the show. | ||
| I don't want to do that. | ||
| It would be interesting to host a debate with him. | ||
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No, I want to, uh, I don't, I don't want to, uh, what would you be debating? | |
| Someone else would debate them and we would just host a debate. | ||
| Like what are they debating? | ||
| Like nationalism versus globalism or something or nationalism, Trump versus Biden, maybe. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Do you mean just sort of give them something to argue about? | ||
| As long as it is ideas and not just labeling and name-calling. | ||
| You always want to challenge, if you think something's a bad idea, | ||
| you always want to challenge it with good ideas. | ||
| And I think if we ever have that opportunity, I think it's great. | ||
| And I think we should always start to do that. | ||
| As long as it is ideas and not just labeling and name calling. | ||
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Of course. | |
| And that's the problem. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Well, a lot of people have their ego and arrogance involved, and then the conversation devolves into what you're doing right now. | ||
| But I think we were able to do a really good job today. | ||
| I didn't agree with everything, but I thought you are pretty cool, and I think it was awesome to have this discussion. | ||
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All right. | |
| We'll do two more. | ||
| I think these are good. | ||
| Robert Miller says, Progressives always go on about Medicare for all. | ||
| If the objective is access to health care, is that better served by abundance or scarcity? | ||
| If abundance, why do they advocate to create scarcity? | ||
| I don't, there is absolutely no logical conclusion, but I don't know what that means. | ||
| There is no scarcity. | ||
| Well, so if, I guess, I don't want to put words in his mouth, but if everybody has access to the same healthcare, then it's waitlists and very difficult to get. | ||
| No, that's actually not how that works. | ||
| The only limitations we have are what our resources are in this country. | ||
| So whether that's personnel, your medical physicians, your people, your resources, your hospitals, your machinery, your equipment, all that stuff. | ||
| That's what causes limitations. | ||
| Not the labeling of who's paying for your system. | ||
| That has nothing to do with anything. | ||
| I reject that completely. | ||
| And by the way, let me preface this with my husband's a urologist. | ||
| My husband has a medical practice that he's been in since 2003. | ||
| He owns part of a surgery center. | ||
| He covers six or seven hospitals and has four locations for his practice. | ||
| Medicine is a hand that feeds me. | ||
| Most of the people in that arena do not support the concept that I'm talking about. | ||
| This isn't about me. | ||
| It's not about my husband foregoing some amount of income. | ||
| And let me, by the way, and as much as he does not love that idea, he loves the idea of not having to provide health insurance for his employees anymore. | ||
| I definitely agree with that. | ||
| And he also cannot stand the dealing with the bureaucracy and the red tape of dealing with managed care. | ||
| That is something that hinders doctors on a level that most people don't understand. | ||
| So I'm not speaking of this as some, you know, that's the hand that feeds me. | ||
| I come from medical family. I think everybody agrees that there's like red tape and bureaucracy jamming the whole | ||
| thing up. Yeah That's why I think you've got many on the right who are | ||
| saying a free market solution many on the left saying a universal | ||
| Socialized solution and i'm like, you know what honestly I I lean in one direction, but i'll take anything other | ||
| than this weird mangled corporate lobbyist version of whatever it is. We have I | ||
| To me, that shouldn't be a for-profit industry. | ||
| And no other developed nation has that. | ||
| And there's a reason for that. | ||
| Like the fire department, you would never incentivize firemen to... | ||
| The more fires, because then they'd go start the fires or they'd be happy to see fires get started. | ||
| And with doctors, they get paid more if they're sick people. | ||
| Well, they get paid more for each procedures too. | ||
| And for COVID. | ||
| So ideally, they would always get paid regardless of who they taught or who they saw. | ||
| And then we would focus on keeping people healthy. | ||
| So there are challenges like, um, how much does someone get paid if they're a specialist, like an anesthesiologist? | ||
| Of course, there's definitely things that have to be worked out. | ||
| There is no perfect system, but the goal is, is that we are all infinitely better off with a healthy society. | ||
| I think Andrew Yang had one of the best arguments for it. | ||
| He said, the problem is, why should a small business be burdened with being the provider of healthcare when they can barely afford to get started? | ||
| He talked about how the majority of small businesses fail because it's very, very difficult. | ||
| Why are their employees asking the boss, do I get healthcare if I work here? | ||
| That's a strain. | ||
| No other country has that. | ||
| I think that's insane. | ||
| Now for me personally, I think, and we talked about this quite a bit, we do, that there should be like, I forget what it's called, acute care. | ||
| So like you break your hand, you get sick, you need emergency care. | ||
| But then for the more extreme and difficult illnesses, we need private insurance. | ||
| There's got to be some kind of mix. | ||
| But why? | ||
| So, some treatments are scarce and hard to come by. | ||
| Especially, like, there was one story I read about, I think it was Louisiana. | ||
| There's a genetic disease and the treatment costs a million dollars to produce because it's rare. | ||
| The disease is extremely rare, that means it's, like, they can't just mass produce this. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So then who has the million dollars to spend it? | ||
| Then it shouldn't, but see, why does it have to have that? | ||
| There shouldn't, it shouldn't be who has the money to get that treatment. | ||
| Everybody should be the same. | ||
| But they don't, they don't produce the treatment. | ||
| One thing that bothers me is when people make themselves sick by eating poorly and then expect other people to cover the costs of that. | ||
| But then can we talk about food deserts and food insecurity and people that have no education as to healthy food and have no resources to healthy food and live in communities that their only walking distance supply of food is junk. | ||
| And food stamps that they can buy Pepsi with. | ||
| Right, right, right. | ||
| So, we got a huge problem. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| It's more than just healthcare. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| So, people need to be... Man, that's a really difficult problem. | ||
| You know, Michael Bloomberg wanted to ban large sodas because of it. | ||
| Okay, that is the stupidest thing. | ||
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| So then you could just get two small ones. | ||
| Right, I know, it's so dumb. | ||
| It's more money for McDonald's. | ||
| Yeah, what sense does that make? | ||
| But it is, these are serious concerns, right? | ||
| You have a lot of people who, a lot of people who are willfully unhealthy. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| And we'll call it the system. | ||
| A lot of people who are ignorantly, meaning they haven't been given the proper understanding. | ||
| So is there a solution where we have a universal healthcare but you have to pass a physical? | ||
| You have to be like, No, I mean, that's like means testing for things. | ||
| No, we have universal health care because it's in everybody's best interest for us to have healthy citizens in this country and not using things like our emergency room as primary care facilities. | ||
| So when you have, and by the way, you have less expense. | ||
| We know this, right? | ||
| The Koch brothers had that Mercator Institute study, which I think was the most conservative one that was done. | ||
| And that said that over 10 years, we saved two trillion dollars. | ||
| So financially, this makes the most sense. | ||
| Yeah, so I think to clarify too, when you say not a for-profit industry, what we really mean is that there are people who don't contribute to the companies in the system that extract money through the system, right? | ||
| And so in this capacity, if the doctor provides a service, he should get paid comparable to what his skill is and what he deserves. | ||
| Yeah, no, I mean, when you say non-profit, people still make a living. | ||
| Oh, they make a lot of money. | ||
| Yeah, I mean, this isn't... every other country that's developed has one form or another of this. | ||
| And I know urologists, particularly in Canada, and have had very long conversations about this, and they're all happy with the system there. | ||
| They are. | ||
| Are there problems with it? | ||
| Absolutely, there's problems with every system. | ||
| Can you name a country, a system that you like? | ||
| Um, you know, the Australian system seems kind of, kind of good to me. | ||
| I'm pretty open. | ||
| Like I said before, I have no specific policy dogma other than what the end result is. | ||
| For me personally, I think we need to have a big discussion about the corruption of the medical system before we start saying free medical care for everyone. | ||
| Because when we look at some of their practices, especially going after the symptoms rather than a cure, especially with some of the abuses that we've seen, I think we need that conversation before saying we're going to supplement them with a lot of government money. | ||
| But why do you think a lot of those things are there? | ||
| Well, there's many reasons. | ||
| There's many incentives. | ||
| But if we give them carte blanche and all the money in the world, I think that abuse is going to happen on a bigger level. | ||
| Right now it's all profit-driven. | ||
| Right now, everything is completely profit-driven. | ||
| Depends on the state. | ||
| Depends on, you know, the practices of certain hospitals. | ||
| Right now, it is a broken system, but funneling more money into it would make it more broken, in my opinion. | ||
| Because you're funneling money into a system that's not working. | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| But that's why we're wanting to change the system. | ||
| So we have a Super Chatter directly providing a comment that says, I'm in Quebec, Canada, and our healthcare system is falling apart so badly, I had to wait six months to get a neurologist, and it took less than a year only because my case was flagged urgent. | ||
| I would have to go to the private health system to get faster. | ||
| Yeah, there are issues with it again, but that, and that has to do with how they manage their system, and how they allocate their resources, and also they're trying right now to privatize it in Canada. | ||
| This is why I think, one of the biggest challenges that like 20% of our economy is, I think it's like 20% of our economy is healthcare systems. | ||
| So you've got management jobs, you've got mailroom jobs, they're tied up in these big systems. | ||
| And I think even Bernie estimated like 2 million jobs would be lost if we did. | ||
| Now, I've talked to a lot of leftists who said it was crazy when Bernie said we should abolish private healthcare because no other country does that. | ||
| Even in Europe you can get private health insurance. | ||
| It feels to me like maybe the simplest compromise is we don't want people dying in the streets. | ||
| So basic level coverage, you get it. | ||
| But when it comes to more difficult treatments, then we need some kind of private supplemental insurance. | ||
| But I also don't want to incentivize people to be lazy or fat. | ||
| I agree. | ||
| I don't want to be paying for other people's mistakes. | ||
| Let's just be honest. | ||
| This is tough. | ||
| Eat this Snickers and then take this Benadryl. | ||
| Just don't eat the Snickers. | ||
| Isn't it crazy? | ||
| I was talking about this the other day. | ||
| I had indigestion because after a show like two nights ago, I ate a bunch of Papa John's | ||
| pizza which I don't want to do because they were bad to Papa John and they fired him for | ||
| no reason, but I was putting the garlic sauce all over it and I was eating jalapeno poppers. | ||
| I woke up in the middle of the night and I couldn't sleep because I was like, you know | ||
| what I did? | ||
| Guess what? | ||
| And that helped? | ||
| So today, I had some mixed veggies and a sandwich, and I feel great. | ||
| I bought a lot of salad. | ||
| And I was like, wow, I shouldn't do a bad thing that hurts me. | ||
| So we got all these... But hold on, hold on. | ||
| You see these commercials, and it's like, I remember watching a commercial where this guy's eating a big old bowl of spaghetti, and he goes, oh, my stomach! | ||
| And it's like, do you have acid indigestion? | ||
| Take this drug. | ||
| And I'm like, just stop eating the food that's hurting you! | ||
| What are you doing? | ||
| Exactly. | ||
| Humans are animals. | ||
| We're wild. | ||
| Hungry things. | ||
| Like, how do we teach people that they're making themselves sick? | ||
| Because I will not pay for someone's chronic health care if they keep eating crap. | ||
| Look at this guy. | ||
| You used to be so lefty, Ian. | ||
| Seriously. | ||
| I will not pay for these. | ||
| Well, that's a result of people taking advantage of the system. | ||
| Those are freeloaders. | ||
| That's just the way it is. | ||
| How do you deal with them in a system with free health care? | ||
| OK, so this is the thing. | ||
| When I did criminal law, people would say, how do you defend criminals? | ||
| Because I did defense and I would defend anybody. | ||
| I don't care what they did. | ||
| I would defend anyone. | ||
| That's that Constitution loving. | ||
| It is. | ||
| And it goes to this. | ||
| So I would rather a hundred guilty people go free than one innocent person go to jail. | ||
| Absolutely. | ||
| Okay? | ||
| So I would rather a hundred people freeload my system than somebody not be able to get their kids medicine. | ||
| But the freeloading may stop. | ||
| But no, that's positive versus negative rights. | ||
| Well, it is, but to me, when you're talking about a system that provides, you are inevitably going to have freeloaders. | ||
| You cannot have a free system without freeloaders trying to get off the system, or whatever they can take. | ||
| Then I think the fair thing would be some kind of... | ||
| That's fine, and I'm willing to talk about that. | ||
| I don't love the idea of means testing things because then you get into, okay, so you smoked this amount back then so now you can't get health coverage. | ||
| First of all, the administrative nightmare of trying to figure out what everybody can and can't qualify for. | ||
| But maybe it's just not that extreme. | ||
| Maybe it's just simply like we don't say you smoke so you can't get this. | ||
| We just say you have to have like a physical. | ||
| Well, no, but we should absolutely be requiring people to have preventative health care. | ||
| That's the point. | ||
| And if people have preventative health care, we don't know what those outcomes are. | ||
| I think if we legitimately had a free market, if we didn't have an FDA playing favorites with the big pharma companies, if we literally had insurance companies able to be in the open market, I think if we got rid of the corruption, if that the market would have regulated it to provide a fair price because people would want... You know, something really interesting. | ||
| In 2019, the economy was doing really, really well. | ||
| Jim Cramer, whether you trust him or not, said, best numbers of our lives. | ||
| And we started seeing something really interesting in that businesses started implementing four-day work weeks, two-week paid vacation. | ||
| A lot of things progressives had advocated for at a policy level were happening just because the economy was doing well. | ||
| So it's possible that if we start by saying, our system is crooked, it really is. | ||
| And you know what I think it is? | ||
| It's because it's not being built by people advocating for a free market or by people advocating for a universal system. | ||
| It's being built by lobbyists who want specific things passed just to benefit them in the short term. | ||
| I think if we actually rid of the corruption, we might find we can make it work, kind of like in a hybrid system, as long as we get rid of the exploitation. | ||
| Well, we could have a discussion about it and we can come to some sort of consensus. | ||
| And that's really what we've been about the whole time, is we have to get the corporate money out. | ||
| And when you say what are the differences, it's if you have representatives taking corporate money, then they are not going to fight for the people in any regard. | ||
| So once you get the corporate money out, we can all have a very, like, nice compromising discussion as to the best way to achieve these things. | ||
| I am absolutely in favor of getting money out of politics. | ||
| I know it's kind of a broad statement. | ||
| It's huge, but it matters. | ||
| So the challenge is, like, I've never been a fan of the Citizens United ruling that, you know, people have said to me, if you make money, you can spend it however you want. | ||
| If you want to buy an ad, you can do it. | ||
| And I say, listen, you can't buy drugs. | ||
| We do put restrictions on what you can or can't buy. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| And Luke's solution, jokingly, is to put all the corporate sponsor labels on people. | ||
| It's hard though because there will still be ways to circumvent the system, to bully | ||
| the system and exploit it. | ||
| There will, but I'll tell you, if you had publicly financed elections, I don't know | ||
| if people know what that would really look like. | ||
| What is it exactly? | ||
| OK, so what you would have in my utopian universe is, let's say you decide you want to run for president, OK? | ||
| And we say, OK, well, then you need X percentage of registered voters. | ||
| This is how it works to get on a ballot anywhere. | ||
| You have to get a certain amount of signatures to get on a ballot, whatever that is that we decide. | ||
| And then anyone who qualifies gets the same funding. | ||
| So it's kind of like how it was in high school. | ||
| So everyone gets a million dollars and 15 minutes on mainstream media. | ||
| and everybody gets the same. | ||
| So we can control that. | ||
| But we're in a social media world, right? | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| So I think what would happen is influencers would become president. | ||
| Because we know what exploits social media to get attention. | ||
| And then if we restrict everyone- Is that necessarily so horrible? | ||
| I think so. | ||
| I don't know. | ||
| What I know is that right now we're not having people that represent regular people. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| That's true. | ||
| Right now we're having oligarchs have their little representatives sit there and toast us while we're all running around like peons trying to help ourselves. | ||
| Yes. | ||
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| So the only way around that is to get people that are the peons in that position. | ||
| And the only way to do that is publicly. | ||
| I do think tick tockers and Jake Ball would do a way better job than the corporate I was gonna say I was gonna say Trump is a populist personality is a celebrity social media and you know what he'd done the things he campaigned on I probably would be a supporter but what I mean is I think we'd be better with some we might we probably would do better if the person's goal was to get as many likes as possible because if they were doing things that were getting dislikes they wouldn't want to do it exactly if you're accountable to the regular people yeah | ||
| Then you're ultimately... See, this is the thing. | ||
| Let's say you get people in with no money, right? | ||
| Ultimately, what we're going to have is we're going to have policies that reflect what our populace wants. | ||
| Right now, we've got three-quarters of the American people that believe in some form of single-payer health care. | ||
| Most people believe in the, you know, legalization of marijuana. | ||
| Most people believe in getting out of the wars. | ||
| Most people believe these things, but those things aren't happening. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Well, they're not happening because we have a completely dysfunctional republic. | ||
| We have people being elected not based on that they represent the majority of people. | ||
| They're spending all their time fundraising. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So what if you have people in there like your AOC, and whatever you think about her, forget policy for a second, is she accountable to her constituents? | ||
| Do they like her? | ||
| I don't think so, no. | ||
| Well, that's between them and them, but my point is it's not my position to judge that. | ||
| Is she representing her constituents? | ||
| They vote for her. | ||
| That that's the thing and her popularity and her approval. | ||
| So if you were to look at somebody, let's say, you know, you're Nancy Pelosi's of the world. | ||
| Their approval rating is lower than Trump's. | ||
| OK. | ||
| Oh, definitely. | ||
| Yeah. | ||
| Right. | ||
| So yet she keeps getting reelected. | ||
| All right. | ||
| So that's not representing. | ||
| Who is that representing? | ||
| That's representing a small group of elitist oligarchs. | ||
| It's like AOC is hot. | ||
| She's this young, hot girl. | ||
| So like, people will just vote for her because they want to have a baby. | ||
| Okay, but then that's accountability to the voter. | ||
| That's on them. | ||
| But the point is, if she's actually getting, you know, doing what her voters want her to do, then she's doing her job. | ||
| Maybe voting is the problem. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Wow. | ||
| Yes. | ||
| Right. | ||
| Oh, OK. | ||
| I see what you're saying. | ||
| Yes, it's actually very flawed that someone push a button and then you have you ever heard of approval voting | ||
| It's where you literally vote as many times as you want. So you could vote once for a person | ||
| So I was watching this this analysis about rank-choice voting | ||
| I love rank-choice voting, but they said that rank-choice voting also creates coalitions which create | ||
| Similar pitfalls to the system we have now Right. | ||
| And that approval voting was mathematically the best system, where you literally say, if there's 10 candidates, I'm going to vote for seven of them. | ||
| And that created kind of a wave pattern of who got the most support. | ||
| But that almost sounds a little bit like ranked choice a little bit. | ||
| It doesn't sound dissimilar. | ||
| It's very similar, but you're basically saying, I'll vote for as many people, but they're all ranked one. | ||
| So it bypasses coalition building and then just creates a like, you'll see a wave where it's like where the most support just forms in certain areas and that person wins. | ||
| See that's one of those things where if somebody showed me this is how this works and this is the end result and this is how it would be the numbers I'd get behind that. | ||
| Like I would need to know that that's the thing if that's something that would work and give the my goal is for the most people. | ||
| But we did build the system because there's tyranny of the majority. | ||
| people want should be what we have. So whatever gets us to that is a part of | ||
| what we did build the system because there's tyranny of the majority so it's | ||
| it's hard to find that balance to make sure the minority isn't being crushed | ||
| out. Yeah well there's certain things that have to always be off the table | ||
| that's the whole point of having a Constitution. Right on. | ||
| Well, with that being said, we've gone over quite a bit, but it's been really fun. | ||
| Jen, thanks for for hanging out. | ||
| Do you want to mention your social media? | ||
| Yeah, sure. | ||
| So we have a podcast called Generational Change. | ||
| We are on YouTube, Spotify, iTunes, and we're about transforming politics into service. | ||
| So whatever you're we are nonpartisan. | ||
| This isn't about pushing an agenda. | ||
| This is simply about getting our government to work for us that they're supposed to. | ||
| That's it. | ||
| Our representatives are our employees. | ||
| That's what we believe. | ||
| It's generational, but it's J-E-N, right? | ||
| Yes, I'm sorry. | ||
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| Generational change. | ||
| And we are also, you can find us on Instagram and Twitter at JenFL23. | ||
| And we're just trying to do service. | ||
| Right on. | ||
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| Thank you so much. | ||
| It's been fun. | ||
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| Tomorrow's gonna be a pretty interesting show nonetheless. | ||
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| It's gonna be fun. | ||
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| We don't get to know who it is though? | ||
| No, we never announce guests. | ||
| Because then they cancel, you know? | ||
| It jinxes it, yeah. | ||
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| That's really bad. | ||
| But Luke is here and he wants you to follow him. | ||
| You can follow me on my YouTube channel, that is WeAreChange, or on Instagram and Twitter under LukeWeAreChange. | ||
| I know that Luke has merch on Teespring. | ||
| Yes, we do. | ||
| The ones that I'm wearing now and also ones that are banned that I just posted about on my Twitter. | ||
| So if you want the banned shirts, check out my Twitter. | ||
| That's so much more appealing. | ||
| Yeah, it is. | ||
| Yeah, it's forbidden. | ||
| On the forbidden banned shirt store. | ||
| Do you guys have merch, Jen? | ||
| We are in the process. | ||
| Right now, the only merch we have are our volunteer t-shirts for our local volunteers that are wearing our stuff. | ||
| We are in the process of creating some merch, but there will be merch. | ||
| Like, we're just getting started. | ||
| But yeah, it says, Here Comes the Sun. | ||
| It's a little retro looking, and then it has our logo on it. | ||
| Are you a Beatles fan? | ||
| I am. | ||
| All right, well, follow me to Ian Crossland. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| And of course you can follow at Sour Patch Lids who's been producing this whole time. | ||
| And I've been over here pushing buttons this whole time. | ||
| Wrongly it turns out. | ||
| Sorry about that guys. | ||
| But I am here in the corner. | ||
| Sour Patch Lids. | ||
| L-Y-D-S. | ||
| Right on. | ||
| Everybody, thanks so much for hanging out. | ||
| We're gonna be back tomorrow, and we're gonna have a big episode on the taboo. | ||
| We are not allowed to say that voter fraud, as per YouTube's rules, changed the outcome of the election, but we're booked right now to have somebody on who's significant in this field, and we'll see if YouTube bans us. | ||
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