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Nov. 18, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Michigan County REFUSES To Certify Election, ITS HAPPENING w/ Michael Malice
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tim pool
So Rudy Giuliani shows up to, I think he showed up to the courthouse, I think he was there
in person, to litigate on behalf of the president's campaign.
And all of these lefty journalists are tweeting about how dumb Giuliani sounds and how ridiculous all of this is, his arguments make no sense, the judge is exasperated, and I'm sitting here reading this stuff like, what is he doing?
Is this really the last breath of the Trump campaign?
He refused to concede for what?
And then Michael Malice jumps into my house, right?
And I immediately start to say some joke referencing Trump's ultimate master plan, that after everything that's kind of just gone wrong, he's yet to announce.
And then right before I finish the joke, Lydia shows me a tweet, shoved her phone in my face, of Wayne County, Michigan, which is Detroit, refusing to certify the results of the election.
And if they don't, if those votes aren't counted, well then Michigan is for Trump.
Uh, if they don't certify, it goes to the state board and it could ultimately result in state legislators appointing electors and telling them how to vote, which could be the beginning of Trump's real plan.
And then I was like, now I can't finish this joke to Michael.
So anyway, Michael is here.
Michael Mouse, everybody.
You know him, you'll love him.
He's, uh, he's wearing his COVID mask because he's very responsible.
michael malice
I am.
tim pool
Uh, I don't even know if people can hear you while you're wearing that.
michael malice
Well, I'm not going to say anything interesting.
tim pool
No, they can't hear you.
It's super low.
Yeah.
michael malice
Oh, is this better?
unidentified
Yes.
michael malice
Okay.
tim pool
So, uh, so here's what happened.
Uh, when YouTube took down the Alex Jones podcast, I appealed.
I said, you know, here's what we can do.
michael malice
I'm just imagining them being like, there ain't no podcast that never was.
tim pool
Yeah.
michael malice
It's never existed.
tim pool
We get a notification, you've been warned.
One more strike and we can't upload, we can't stream.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So the warning, I'm like, alright.
So I essentially appealed saying, first of all, can we just clip out the portion in question?
And then it came out that, you know, Alex actually slowed down the audio and said, I didn't say what everyone thought I said.
And that's true, I thought he said something different.
And they told me they'll get back to me soon.
They're working on it.
So I said, you know what?
I got a better solution.
I invited Michael and Alex right back on the show immediately.
I said, come back right now, first thing, and we're gonna do a whole nother show.
Alex is a busy guy.
He couldn't do it.
He was, you know, he was like, I got, he's got a family.
He can't come.
But Michael was able to come.
michael malice
Not busy.
No family.
tim pool
No family.
michael malice
No loved ones.
unidentified
No responsibility.
michael malice
No liked ones.
tim pool
Just loneliness and despair.
And so he's back on.
michael malice
It's a good song by the way.
tim pool
Yep, yep.
But we're also hanging out with Ian, of course.
unidentified
What up?
tim pool
Ian's here.
And Sour Patch Lids.
lydia smith
I'm here in the corner producing.
tim pool
And we're going to start today's show by showing you something very, very important.
Can you please show people?
Will it work?
lydia smith
I can.
I hope so.
tim pool
I'm hoping.
unidentified
Oh, no!
tim pool
Too bad.
Our monitor broke again.
We've got to figure out what's wrong with these monitors.
It's the Ron Paul It's Happening GIF.
It's Ron Paul.
michael malice
I hate it when people pronounce GIF.
It's GIF.
tim pool
No, it's not.
It's GIF.
michael malice
No, it's not, because GIF is a brand of peanut butter.
tim pool
Because the guy who invented it said it was.
michael malice
I don't care what he says.
lydia smith
He's wrong.
I agree.
Thank you, Michael.
michael malice
Thank you.
lydia smith
Thank you.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's like Richard Stallman.
michael malice
They're not pronounced sour patch kites.
tim pool
It's not pronounced magick.
ian crossland
What is the history of the word?
tim pool
Giant.
A magick giant cast a spell on his gif.
ian crossland
Yeah, but it's giggity, not jiggity.
michael malice
What do you get for Christmas?
Gifts?
tim pool
Yes.
michael malice
Gifts?
tim pool
Gifts.
michael malice
Gifts.
unidentified
You get gifts?
michael malice
Choosy mobs choose gifts?
tim pool
It is gif and a discussion.
unidentified
Okay.
michael malice
Anyone who says end of discussion is automatically wrong.
ian crossland
It's probably g-gif.
tim pool
There you go.
unidentified
G-gif.
tim pool
Thank you.
lydia smith
G-gif.
ian crossland
But the G is silent.
tim pool
Are we really starting the show by arguing about gif and jif?
ian crossland
I'm not arguing yet, but you're gonna... No.
michael malice
I have the documents.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
If you haven't already, smash the like button, subscribe, all that stuff.
We do the show live Monday through Friday at 8 p.m.
We have clips up throughout the day, and my friends, it is happening.
The first story, which we are having monitor display problems, but I got the story from Patch.
Wayne County deadlocks on election results certification.
The vote was along party lines and the two Republicans on the board voted against certification.
This is it.
Is this how it starts?
Trump's gonna win?
Is this how it is?
You know what I was thinking?
And we'll read through this, I'll go through the details, but here's what I was thinking earlier.
I was like, if Trump wins in Pennsylvania with his Giuliani thing, which it sounded like he wasn't going to win, Could this be like election night, but drawn out over a month?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Remember election night?
It's like, they're all cheering, it's slowly coming in, they're all laughing.
The New York Times said Hillary Clinton 99%.
And then slowly over the night, it started to shift to Trump, their little meter.
And then the Democrats on the left started sweating and getting scared, and then finally it ended with them dropping to their knees and screaming.
And now I'm like, they were literally dancing in the streets.
And I'm not saying Trump's going to win just yet, but I'm looking at this and it's like, if Michigan refuses to certify because of questions, basically, this is really interesting.
They're saying there's like unbalanced vote books or something like that.
Like there's a discrepancy.
It doesn't make sense.
And the Republicans are like, I'm not signing off on that.
And so now it's got to go to the state board and the state board might be like, I'm not signing off on that either.
michael malice
And then what?
It takes me back to like the Middle Ages when you had two popes.
I think Trump should just set up basically an office in Trump Tower and declare himself president and start nominating people to the Supreme Court, passing laws.
tim pool
What happens if we have two people claiming to be president?
michael malice
We had that in 1876.
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
And then they enacted a panel that came to decide who would be the real president.
michael malice
And it was completely partisan, and basically they had to cut this deal.
But yeah, and then he stole the election from Samuel Tilden, who was a New York governor at the time.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
All right, let's read this and we'll get an idea of what's going on.
They say the Wayne County Board of Canvassers on Tuesday failed to certify the county's November 3rd election results, splitting the vote certify 2-2.
The vote was along party lines, with Monica Palmer, the board chairperson, and William Hartman, both Republicans, voting against certification.
Board Vice Chair Jonathan Kinloch and Alan Wilson, both Democrats, voted in favor.
Sure, that's a possibility.
failing to certify the results it must provide all election documents to the
Michigan Secretary of State office and state board of canvassers according to
Michigan election guidelines those entities will then have ten days to
certify the results so maybe that's what happens maybe this is just a fluke maybe
the Republicans are oh I'm not gonna do it but it's gonna be done and Trump's
still gonna lose Michigan right sure that's a possibility yeah I think a
michael malice
likelihood you think that yeah right yeah I think what's the big
I think I'm shocked to what extent people on the right have realized this is a long battle and it's not about this particular election.
And they're realizing there's real value, just as there was for the left in 2016, to cast aspersions and muddy the waters and make people not trust the process.
Because at the end of the day, an expression I hate but I'm going to use anyway, There's no reason to be represented by someone who doesn't represent you.
Democracy is this very wacky idea that doesn't really hold up to much muster, if you think about it.
tim pool
So you're saying, like, the Democrats challenging, disputing all the election, like, all of this stuff, the Republicans were like, okay, let's play ball.
michael malice
Yeah, it's like, not only that, at the very least, there were a couple people on Twitter who were like, these kind of like, what do you call it, vichy Republicans, who were like, oh, like, John Bolton.
Am I allowed to say that he should be in a federal corrections facility?
tim pool
He should be in prison for a crime.
michael malice
Yeah, am I allowed to say that?
tim pool
I believe so.
lydia smith
I would think so.
tim pool
Yes.
Respectfully and cared for very well with three meals a day and access to the gym and all that stuff.
michael malice
Let's put it this way.
I had a poll on my Twitter, does John Bolton belong in Gitmo?
And 90% of the people said yes.
So I'm not taking a stand on that issue.
But the point being, he, for the first time in his life, was on ABC News with Martha Raddatz, whatever her name is, telling that the Republicans have to explain to the voters, you know, what's going on.
It's like, this is the first time in his life John Bolton told the president not to wage war.
It was absolutely amazing.
But I think what conservatives, and not even conservatives, people who are just skeptical of the cathedral, of the corporate press, the people who did Tulsi dirty, the people who did Yang dirty, the people who did Bernie dirty, and all these corporate conglomerates, are realizing these are not your friends.
Yeah.
Mitch McConnell will always be closer to Joe Biden than he will be to you and vice versa.
And I think that populism makes corporate America very, very nervous.
Because they want you at home watching Big Bang Theory, watching ABC News, you know,
your stripe and swaddle and be happy and be content.
And when people like I'm not happy, I'm not content, they all the messaging after the
election, sit down and shut up.
Sit down and shut up, submit, submit, submit, submit.
They spent three, four years looking at irregularities in 2016.
They wouldn't spend three or four days looking at irregularities.
And it's amazing how when Russia's running the election in 2016, you know, it's a huge threat to our democracy, and now 2020, no evidence.
Everything's great.
tim pool
Yeah, Russia's gone.
michael malice
Don't worry about it.
tim pool
You know that John Oliver did a 20-minute segment in November of last year about Dominion voting.
I think Dominion specifically, I'm not entirely sure, but he talked about voting machines and how there was very serious concerns about the lack of security.
It's a serious threat.
20 minutes and he shows all of this evidence.
He showed a video where a woman hacked into a voting machine in under two minutes and
then he's all shocked.
He's like, two minutes.
It's current year and then like everyone's cheering and laughing.
Now he did a segment saying Trump is wrong to suggest there's foul play and these machines
are all great and shit.
Sit down and shut up.
michael malice
Yeah.
And I think what 2016 was about was a lot of people who didn't care about politics saying,
yeah, I'm not going to sit down and I'm not going to shut up and there's nothing you could
do about it because I love being American.
And that actually goes back to Reagan Gorbachev.
I'm showing my age if my gray hair didn't do it already.
Humor is a great mechanism to undermine authorities and elites.
Go ahead, Tim.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
Keep going.
michael malice
So Reagan was talking to Gorbachev and there's this joke about how like, you know, in Russia, in America, you know, you could go into the Oval Office, bang your fist on the president's little desk and say, I don't think you're doing, the president's doing a good job.
And the Russians are like, we can do the same thing.
It's like, really?
Yeah, you go to Red Square, bang your fist on Gorbachev's desk and say, I don't think Reagan's doing a good job.
So it's ha ha ha, but they're very much an attempt on social media to try to be like, OK, this is outside the realm of what is acceptable discussion.
And you can't do that when everyone has their own account.
It becomes technically and socially impossible to implement.
tim pool
So let's follow up here because this is where it gets interesting.
Why didn't they want to certify?
So they say, following the vote, board members argued about allowing politics to become part of the vote.
Palmer said she did not have full confidence in how votes were calculated due to a high number of out-of-balance absentee ballot books, and said all votes outside the city of Detroit, where the majority of unbalanced books were found, should be certified.
Other board members disagreed.
It's my hope that the state will take over and work with the clerks.
I smell politics," another board member rebuked.
Tuesday's meeting, which was held via Zoom for interested members of the public, did not go off without issue.
While it was scheduled to begin at 3 p.m., issues caused the meeting to be delayed nearly two hours.
The board also capped the online meeting at 100 attendees, meaning many people were unable to attend the public meeting.
Capacity was then expanded to 300 people and quickly filled up once more.
Technical issues prior to the start of the recording.
Don't really care about all this stuff.
Canvassers discussed a number of precincts that were out of balance, meaning the number of signatures of people who signed into the polling locations to vote was not the same as the number of people who actually voted at the respective location.
michael malice
That's not possible.
unidentified
There's no evidence that there's any voting irregularities.
michael malice
There's no evidence.
tim pool
Zero evidence.
It's so obvious, Michael.
The Republicans are just stealing the election.
There's no irregularities.
They must be lying.
Think about that, though.
What did they say?
The number of signatures of people who signed into locations is not the same as the number of actually voted.
That's crazy.
ian crossland
Did they get the number, the discrepancy number, by any chance?
tim pool
Well, they say there's a simple explanation.
They say out-of-balance precincts can be caused by simple events, however, such as someone visiting a polling location, signing in, and then leaving later because the line is too long, and they have another obligation.
Should the current decision of the Board of Wayne County Canvassers hold through the adjournment of today's meeting, the Board of State Canvassers will be responsible for certifying the Wayne County election, Michigan Secretary of State Joycelyn Benson said in a statement.
In similar circumstances in the past, state canvassers have appointed the Bureau of Elections to carry out the process of canvassing the vote and voter totals.
The Bureau stands ready to fulfill this duty, and we expect this will address clerical errors and improve the quality of the canvass overall.
Quote, It is common for some precincts in Michigan and across the country to be out of balance by a small number of votes, especially when turnout is high.
Importantly, this is not an indication that any votes were improperly cast or counted.
You see?
Michigan election law prohibits a precinct that is out of balance to be recounted, however.
Interesting.
But the Michigan Secretary of State Office said that in Wayne County, precincts that are out of balance without explanation can still be recounted as long as the number of ballots in the container matches the statement of votes on the tabulator.
Many containers have not yet been opened, according to the SOS.
Wait, what?
How have they not yet been opened?
Don't they gotta count them?
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
They say unbalanced precincts have historically been a problem in Detroit, where 72% of polls booked in the August primary were out of balance.
unidentified
Whoa!
tim pool
Oh, 72%?
That's not a simple explanation.
How do you explain that?
michael malice
I don't know.
I don't have a clue.
tim pool
I got nothing.
They say in 2016, when Donald Trump won, a state audit in Detroit found a series of mismatched Detroit vote totals in the presidential election, attributing them to human error and not widespread voter fraud.
During the presidential election, 71% of precincts could not be balanced, but the audit reduced the magnitude of the discrepancies significantly.
Dialogue between the county elections worker and board members focused around how the unbalanced precincts weren't just in Detroit, but across the entire county.
The worker told board members that due to the significant volume of absentee ballots, local election officials were stretched to the limit.
Tuesday was the deadline for counties in Michigan to certify their results.
In Wayne County, Democratic President Joe Biden defeated Trump 587,000 to 264,000.
If they don't certify this, Trump goes up, what, 220, 200-some-odd, more than that, 260, 280, what is that?
I'm bad at math.
200-some-thousand, almost 300,000 votes.
michael malice
But also, it's just going to make both sides think this is something completely fishy and not have any kind of sense of validity in the outcome of the election, which is something that I think is a very healthy phenomenon.
tim pool
This is Trump's political path to victory, not legal.
The political path is that, well, it's arguably illegal, With no certifications, if Biden doesn't reach 270, then there's a contingent election in the House of Delegations.
It's one vote per state.
michael malice
Right.
And the Republicans have that.
So Trump will win.
Yeah.
tim pool
So it makes you wonder about Trump being so confident.
michael malice
Oh, that's possible.
So it's possible that neither will get 270.
tim pool
Yes.
michael malice
That's the thing.
Yeah.
tim pool
What is Michigan, 16?
I think so.
How many electoral votes?
unidentified
Let's check.
tim pool
Michigan results.
I have a theory about, yeah, 16.
That would put Biden to 290.
And Pennsylvania's 20.
So then he would need to lose one more.
Nevada?
michael malice
Or Georgia?
tim pool
Or Georgia.
I think Nevada makes more sense.
So in Nevada, Clark County just negated, or they're refusing to certify one election.
And that's 153,000 ballots on the line.
Because one of their elections for commission, it's for, I forgot, it's County C Commissioner or something like that.
They said that there's too many discrepancies, too many ballots with like missing signatures and stuff like that, that could change the results of that race.
And so they're going to hold a special election.
But Trump is saying, well, that's on the same ballot.
If you've got these discrepancies and you're throwing out this election, then we're, you know, the whole race is, you know, should be challenged.
They're arguing it shouldn't, maybe.
Nevada's what, six?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So that would put Biden at 264.
Nobody wins.
Contingent election.
Trump is president.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
I have a theory.
unidentified
I was thinking about this.
tim pool
Why is Trump launching these lawsuits that seem to be almost frivolous?
michael malice
And historically, even though he talks a lot about launching lawsuits, like he said he was going to sue Rosie O'Donnell famously back when they had their feud.
And if you go back and look at the clips, they're hilarious.
But he never does it.
tim pool
Right.
michael malice
So this is unusual.
tim pool
Trump refuses to concede.
But then he launches a whole bunch of lawsuits, some of which I think the arguments make sense.
I was I was reading, you know, the way it was described by several different law scholars through various publications was three Hail Marys, that Trump would have has these arguments that are kind of ridiculous long shots.
So we saw Rudy Giuliani was litigating today on behalf of Trump, or whatever the phrase, I don't know, he was testifying?
It's not a criminal case, it's a civil case.
He was arguing, you know, we've got 682,000 ballots that weren't properly observed.
And the judge is basically like, what am I supposed to do, disenfranchise the whole state?
This is crazy.
And so a lot of people have been mocking the Trump campaign.
These long shots will never win.
Maybe they never were supposed to win.
Maybe the lawsuits were just meant to give Trump an excuse as to why he's not conceding.
Think about it this way.
If Trump doesn't concede and the race is called for Joe Biden, 306 to 232, and then Trump just says, oh, by the way, I'm not going to concede.
I'm also not doing anything else.
I'm going to wait.
And then all of a sudden the Republicans in Michigan say, we're not going to certify this.
And then Trump goes, oh, gee, oh, look at that.
It's going to be really weird.
People are going to be like, what is this?
Trump refused to concede, waited, and then the Republicans didn't certify?
He was planning this, right?
michael malice
It was a scheme the whole time.
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm not saying that Trump actually conspired in any such way, but I will say, maybe.
It's because other people have suggested, you know, on the left, that Trump's lawsuits are, like, meritless.
What's he doing?
Maybe he was just buying time to get to the certification process, and then one by one the states refused to certify, and then Trump... That's it.
With this announcement that the Wayne County Board is not going to certify, Trump no longer needs any lawsuits.
He can simply say, did you see what happened in Detroit?
michael malice
Wait, have you looked at his Twitter feed?
Has he addressed this?
lydia smith
We should look at that.
michael malice
Jenna Elias was his attorney.
She's the one who tweeted this out.
lydia smith
This is such an interesting precedent because I think that once Michigan does this, all these other states are going to feel a little more comfortable to be like, yeah.
michael malice
It's like a domino effect.
lydia smith
Exactly.
Our election isn't quite on either.
Maybe we're going to have to do what Michigan did.
I don't know.
Just spitball on them.
No idea.
ian crossland
I think you're right that he's buying time.
lydia smith
I think I think I think so, too.
ian crossland
Also, he's using taxpayer money to fund these lawsuits.
tim pool
He didn't tweet about it.
michael malice
But what else is interesting is that he is giving his base what he what they want, which is a finger to the media.
lydia smith
Right.
michael malice
The media told them, sit down and shut up.
Submit.
And he's like, yeah, no, we're not going to do that.
And it's going to drive people that you hate crazy.
And that's Joe Biden is Joe Biden.
Kamala Harris.
They're a lot less upset about this than people like Don Lemon and Chris Cuomo.
tim pool
Why didn't Kamala Harris resign from the Senate?
lydia smith
That's such a good question.
michael malice
Is this a punchline?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
It's a really good question.
michael malice
She has not yet resigned from the Senate because she couldn't figure out how to unlock her pen.
lydia smith
I don't know.
ian crossland
She's waiting until the last minute.
tim pool
Was it Obama who resigned almost immediately?
I think Mike Pence didn't though, right?
I'm not saying she has to or she doesn't.
I'm saying she's taking it seriously that Trump might win.
ian crossland
Yeah, for sure.
tim pool
So here's what I'm saying.
michael malice
What's not? I don't think that's true. I think there might be some votes that are very close
between now and January. The Republicans might do some shenanigans so she doesn't
want to lose that seat.
tim pool
Right, exactly.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
If Trump wins.
michael malice
No, but even if Trump, the point being like the Republicans have the Senate majority.
If she leaves the Senate, the Democrats are down one vote.
ian crossland
Got it.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice
And they might be trying to pull some fourth quarter.
ian crossland
Regarding Trump and not following through with lawsuits, before I was thinking, because it would have been private lawsuits, he'd have to pay for the Rosie O'Donnell thing out of his own pocket, but I think the taxpayers are paying for these lawsuits of his right now.
He's funding them personally?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And he's raising money for it.
ian crossland
Good for him.
tim pool
Coming from his campaign or whatever.
So what I'm saying is, right now, Trump is not tweeting about it.
He says, oh, whoa, breaking news!
michael malice
What?
tim pool
I just tweeted about this.
michael malice
Are you messing with me?
tim pool
No.
Second Georgia county finds thousands more votes.
Majority for Trump.
This is crazy!
Is this happening?
This is the... Listen, listen, listen.
Listen, hold on.
lydia smith
Thank you, Ron.
tim pool
First of all, Trump's not tweeting about Michigan.
lydia smith
He's not.
tim pool
Why not?
lydia smith
He's distracting you with Georgia.
unidentified
Yes!
tim pool
Yes!
Jab, jab, right hook.
Not just that, he fired Krebs.
lydia smith
Yeah, man.
tim pool
Because the real strategy is, one by one, the Republican boards won't certify.
Maybe it won't happen.
Maybe it's just wishful thinking.
I have no idea.
michael malice
Guys, we're forgetting.
Hillary Clinton might still become president.
And here's how.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
lydia smith
Oh no!
No, Michael, please.
unidentified
It's her turn.
tim pool
She just got to get in her broom.
unidentified
What?
No evidence.
michael malice
There's no evidence.
No evidence.
This is Russian misinformation.
tim pool
Check this out a second county in Georgia has found a memory card with thousands of votes that have not been
uploaded What the majority of which were for Donald Trump? No
michael malice
evidence?
Gabriel Sterling this is a misinformation. I say this is a Russian who's misinformed
lydia smith
Okay, thank you, thank you, Michael.
tim pool
Okay, hold on, hold on.
michael malice
What's the number?
tim pool
Wow.
This is insane.
michael malice
Do you know that- I hate chaos.
It makes me uncomfortable.
tim pool
You know, when I play Magic, I'm all about red and blue.
For those that aren't familiar, it's the chaos colors.
But anyway, I digress.
Did you know that 82600 votes being found is, like, historical?
So I'm reading all these articles, you know, I think it was Scott Walker who tweeted, in recounts you typically find a hundred, a couple hundred votes.
There's no way Trump is going to overcome these odds in a place like Georgia.
Georgia's down, the lead is like 13,000.
Now they found in, what was it, was it Fulton County?
They found 2,600 votes uncounted.
800 net gain for Trump.
That is the second highest according to a bunch of these articles where they said the most we've ever seen was in Florida.
They did the recount in a bunch of different counties and then Gorg ended up gaining like 1300.
And they said that was massive.
Now they're saying they found 800 for Trump in a recount.
Now they're saying they found thousands more?
This is historically unprecedented as far as I know.
michael malice
But it's also historically largely unprecedented for the media to insist on not looking into things about elections.
For the media to insist, it's over, we called it.
When Kayleigh McEnany, White House press secretary, Fox News, you know, polled, they're like, oh, we can't be repeating what she's saying.
tim pool
Yeah, Camuto pulled away.
michael malice
Let's pretend, for the sake of argument, that she's saying complete lies and misinformation. It is
very important if the White House press secretary who is speaking for the president is lying to the
American public so we for us to hear what she's saying. You could go after that and give context
and be like, here's why she's lying, and this is wrong. But to not let you hear what is coming
out of the White House. I don't think anyone who's a historic leftist would like corporate media
tim pool
to have that kind of power over the government. This was Floyd County where they found
800.
They've now found a total of 1,577.
Wait, it's called Floyd County?
michael malice
The irony.
If there's a George County, this is gonna be amazing.
tim pool
Yeah.
So the second one is Fayette County.
They found 1,577 for Trump and 1,128 for Biden.
Biden's statewide advantage is now down to 12,929.
In two counties, they found these missing votes.
Trump just jumped on a memory card?
On different memory cards that weren't being uploaded.
unidentified
What?
michael malice
I have my Alex Jones tinfoil hat in my house.
I might put it on eBay.
The point being, if I'm working for the county, if I'm trying to get votes counted, how are there not contingencies?
to make sure that things are uploaded in more than one location, there's backups, especially when dealing about thousands of votes.
Like, regardless of who you want to be in the presidency, like, this is the kind of thing where systems have to be in place, so the human error is not possible.
This is very known.
Like, this is why you balance a checkbook.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
This is crazy.
michael malice
What?
Are you messing—am I being trolled?
tim pool
I'm not—I'm not being—I'm not trolling you.
michael malice
I hate trolling.
tim pool
The recovered votes may also help David Perdue running for Senate.
lydia smith
Get the 50%.
tim pool
Yes.
michael malice
And then he wins.
tim pool
See?
You knew.
michael malice
I knew what?
tim pool
Get to 50%.
Yeah.
They found ballots and they say he's very close.
He's 14,000 votes away from securing 50% and then keeping the Senate.
Could you imagine?
Trump wins.
Republicans maintain control of the Senate.
Gain in the House.
All of these Biden people and the Trump people who are dancing in the street are going to have the biggest collective meltdown we've ever seen in our lives.
Maybe it won't happen, but at this point, I'm just, I'm done.
I've been saying for a while, I think Biden's gonna win.
It's the most likely.
I'm out.
Sorry.
Nope.
I have no idea what's gonna happen.
It could be Trump.
This is crazy stuff.
Look, when I first, when I heard, when Lydia shows me the phone, that Wayne County's refusing to certify the results, we could throw the whole state into question.
I'm like, No way.
Can, is this gonna happen again?
I kind of feel like it might.
Nevada, the Clark County thing in Nevada, suit going on in Pennsylvania, who knows?
michael malice
Do you know what this is?
tim pool
Then I, then I see this, this thing about the, the votes, a second county?
This is unprecedented!
michael malice
Do you know what's gonna happen if anything like this happens?
They're gonna do everything in their power to kick out the Electoral College.
Yeah, because they're going to be like, we can't have this trust the states to run their own elections.
We need to have a national popular vote.
They're going to put their foot on the accelerator as fast as they can.
tim pool
They're going to call for ending.
They've already been calling for ending the Constitution.
They're going to say this is a ridiculous process that makes no sense.
michael malice
Not the Constitution, Dr. College.
tim pool
No, I'm saying the Constitution.
michael malice
Who's calling for ending the Constitution?
tim pool
The New Republic wrote an article saying the left needs to fight to end the written Constitution.
michael malice
No.
tim pool
I'm not kidding.
Oh, 100% serious.
ian crossland
Who are they talking about, though?
tim pool
What do you mean talking about?
ian crossland
They say the villains need to destroy the Constitution.
tim pool
Is that what the article is?
It was an article.
The New Republic is a leftist publication.
It's a very prominent one.
And they said it's time for the left to start fighting to end the Constitution.
But it wasn't like someone in the Senate that wanted to The Constitution is making it so that Trump might actually have lost the popular vote and the Electoral College, but still result in Trump winning the presidency.
michael malice
I mean, if you're crazy of power, you can do whatever you want.
tim pool
The Constitution is making it so that Trump might actually have lost the popular vote
and the electoral college, but still result in Trump winning the presidency.
And they're going to argue against the electoral college?
michael malice
As the founding fathers wanted.
tim pool
I mean, to an extent.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And it's really funny when I see them say, democracy is broken.
You know, this perhaps a system.
michael malice
Our democracy.
They don't say democracy.
They say our democracy, which means their democracy.
tim pool
And they say things like perhaps a system created by 200 year old, you know, 250 year old slave owners was not a good system.
And they argue that The Republicans represent the minority of this country.
They represent 13 million less people, and I'm like, that's on purpose.
It's literally why the system was created the way it is, to prevent majority abuse.
I don't think these people realize what it would be like to live in a country of pure democracy, where it's like whatever's popular is mandated.
You want minority rule.
And there's a really good example.
There was a period when marijuana was the minority, and people were going to jail for smoking it.
But now, one by one, these states are starting to legalize it and starting to become the majority opinion.
You need to create a space where the minority can speak up and say, we're gonna do this.
That's why the Electoral College makes sense.
So that California, as its own jurisdiction, can say, we're legalizing recreational, you know, pot.
And then all the other states can start doing it and eventually get a Supreme Court ruling and boom, there it is, nationwide, legalized.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
It's not even most people agree with.
it, we would just be an authoritarian, locked down country where everyone would be terrified
of what the majority opinion was, and it would be lowest common denominator law.
Everything would just be like, whatever most people agree with is the law.
michael malice
It's not even most people agree with, it's whoever they can get the most to the polls.
So it's not even about the voice of the people, it's just about the voice.
lydia smith
Inflaming people.
michael malice
Yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
And they were just talking about like voter coercion from like the 1800s.
They'd be out there with their guns, you know, making sure people voted or didn't vote or having people vote twice with a disguise on and all sorts of, yeah, literally.
michael malice
No, he's not joking.
tim pool
Yeah, I know.
ian crossland
Like coercion, voting, voter coercion, that kind of thing.
michael malice
Is there more?
unidentified
No, I was just seeing people were saying something about, uh... Michael's hard to hear because of his mask?
Oh, it is.
tim pool
It is true.
Is that what they're saying?
ian crossland
Don't get me sick!
michael malice
No one cared who I was until I put on the mask.
tim pool
Then they were complaining.
Who is this guy?
You won't even sound right.
michael malice
I did the bit.
ian crossland
But it was a beautiful mic.
michael malice
I committed to the bit.
lydia smith
It was a good bit.
ian crossland
You did.
You full-on did.
tim pool
You know what it was?
It was because you couldn't get your mouth to the microphone.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Because you were like floating behind it.
It was also creating like a weird echo.
Now you sound normal.
ian crossland
So my thought is, if Trump loses, Twitter's gonna ban him within a week.
tim pool
No, not even within a week.
ian crossland
They'll just ban him immediately.
tim pool
Facebook already removed President from its account.
ian crossland
You see that?
They won't ban him while he's President.
tim pool
Trump's account no longer says President.
It says Political Candidate.
lydia smith
Amazing.
tim pool
Dude, we are- He's still the President by every measure.
Yes.
And I'm telling you, man, we might not be in what people think is like a legit full-on ground war, but this is a battle, and it's extra-judicial, it's extra-legal, it is outside the confines of anything, and it is manipulation, propaganda, and an attempt to seize power.
michael malice
Period.
Yeah, in my book, The New Right, I talk about this.
In 1992, Pat Buchanan, who's a very complex and troubling figure in many ways, got on the floor of the Republican Convention and said, we're in a cultural war.
And we don't know if Barbara Bush literally clutched her pearls.
Andrew Cuomo, who was governor of New York at the time, said, culture, what does that word mean?
The Nazis used to use that word.
And they were all freaked out.
And in that one regard, He was absolutely right that there has been a systemic assault for over a hundred years By certain very nefarious forces on the population this country and only now thanks to the internet my opinion and technology are people realizing Oh, they've been at this for a long time, and these are really bad people
tim pool
I have to, I, you know, I have to wonder about all this.
And, and, uh, cause I've been hearing from a lot of people, Trump's master plan, release the Kraken and all this stuff.
And I'm like, it's just never happens.
Nothing crazy like this ever happens.
It's always usually boring.
michael malice
2016 was crazy.
2016 never happened, right?
tim pool
That was nuts.
ian crossland
Hillary's emails was so nuts.
tim pool
Crazy year.
ian crossland
Bizarre scandal.
tim pool
You look at who Joe Biden is trying to appoint now to his cabinet.
Major corporations, banks, lobbyists.
michael malice
He's a corporatist.
tim pool
Yeah, it's all the same.
And you hear what he said?
He's not going to go after Trump.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
He's not going to investigate Trump for any of these crimes and he's going to try and bring unity to the country.
michael malice
This is a thing that I like a lot about Joe Biden, and I think this is going to be hard for people to hear from me because I'm such a fire breather.
He genuinely is, I think, upset by how divided this country is.
He genuinely thinks this is an opportunity for him to bring people together.
He genuinely has worked very well with Republicans.
He boasted about working well with segregationists, for Christ's sake, during the campaign.
So I think it hurts him on like a visceral level.
He's been a senator since 1972, and he's like this, just one more point, just like this is his opportunity to be like, all right, I'm going to put my money where my mouth is and try to reach out to the other side.
lydia smith
I don't think so, because he opened his campaign talking about Charlottesville, talking about fine people.
He lied right out of the gate, right from the beginning.
michael malice
What I disagree, I think what he was trying to do there was divide the Trump Republicans and the old school Republicans, the pre-Trump Republicans, and make that coalition.
tim pool
I think he's a corrupt, dirty, rotten liar who's in it to enrich himself and his family.
michael malice
There's a difference between that and the depravity of like the Clintons.
Like an old school machine politician who just makes a bank.
They all do that.
I think that's very different between someone who's that and just really just nefarious.
Like when Bill Clinton bombed Sudan during impeachment, like he blew up a factory that was making medicine just to change the headlines.
This guy should be in jail and we don't talk about it.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Do you remember pre, were you politically active in the 80s much or before that?
michael malice
Before that?
ian crossland
I don't know.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I don't know if you're 60 or 30, man.
ian crossland
You look timeless.
unidentified
I know I'm a witch.
michael malice
I'm an ancient evil from time immemorial.
But no, I was not politically active in the 80s.
ian crossland
Me neither.
But the Clintons seemed like you were like young hippies.
michael malice
I'm like, he's like, uh, me either.
ian crossland
Just so you know.
michael malice
Just ask him.
ian crossland
But the Clintons seemed like they were like young, cool hippies, and then they just got co-opted.
tim pool
No, what are you talking about?
Hillary was a young Republican, didn't she?
michael malice
She was a Goldwater girl.
tim pool
Yeah, she worked with Goldwater!
ian crossland
Yeah, but Bill was like a hippie smoking weed.
michael malice
But then they went to college.
Right, right, right.
David Brock, his book was called The Seduction of Hillary Rodham, and it's all about how she got turned, you know.
ian crossland
Yeah, and they got co-opted.
They seemed like they got power-hungry and co-opted.
michael malice
But that wasn't in the White House.
tim pool
What about the conspiracy that Bill was never actually president, that he was just the puppet for Hillary?
michael malice
That's nonsense.
We know that Hillary threw a lamp at him and the Secret Service didn't know what to do.
ian crossland
Chairman Mao's wife?
michael malice
Did you know about this?
No, I didn't.
tim pool
I wasn't politically active in the 90s.
michael malice
During the whole impeachment drama with Hillary and Bill and Monica and all this, there was a huge fight in the White House, the private suite, and Hillary threw a lamp at Bill.
He had a mark on his face the next day.
unidentified
Wow.
michael malice
And there was a discussion in the Secret Service.
What's the protocol if the first lady is literally assaulting the president?
tim pool
Domestic abuse.
michael malice
They didn't know what to do.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
What did they do?
michael malice
Nothing.
Well, they got murdered.
Clearly they were murdered.
ian crossland
I think she was the power behind Bill.
That doesn't surprise me.
michael malice
No, no, no, no, no.
What happened, this is what people, this is what the boomer cons don't realize about Hillary, okay?
In 93 she campaigned, in 92 they campaigned, they go two for the price of one, right?
This stuff, oh we're gonna, I didn't take my husband's name for a long time, yeah, yeah, yeah.
She gets in the White House.
She says, I want to run something.
That was the quote.
She just wanted power.
They put her in charge of health care, which is something she had no experience with.
She held the meetings in secret to remake a sixth of the economy.
Just we're just going to know secret meetings.
She bungled it so badly.
that the republicans got congress for the first time in forty years and after
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice
that they vanished her and rush limbaugh at the time used to have segments on a
show called hillary sightings because they would just have her like reading children's
books like once a month after that
because they completely disappeared her because she was so unpopular she only became popular after
when she could play the victim card
when bill was kinda you know biking to the white house sink
I think.
tim pool
Is that what he was doing?
michael malice
That was in the Star Report.
Yeah, he beat off into the sink next to the Oval Office.
You didn't know this?
tim pool
Yeah, I was a little kid.
lydia smith
What a good time.
michael malice
I mean, yeah.
tim pool
I know, I know the general... No, no, he did.
michael malice
He finished into the sink.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
He probably went out.
Horrible.
ian crossland
They put her to him on the stand for that?
unidentified
You know what I'll say?
ian crossland
This is the first I've heard of it.
That's awesome.
When did, how did that come out?
michael malice
I mean, probably out at the tip.
ian crossland
No, no, that's not how I meant.
unidentified
Well, thank you for clarifying.
ian crossland
Oh, God.
So she stood by her man, then they made her governor?
Senator.
I'm not really political.
michael malice
Do you know where babies come from?
ian crossland
I'm starting to learn.
michael malice
And a president loves an intern very much.
tim pool
He has a box of cigars.
ian crossland
It looks like Chairman Mao's wife was the power behind the Cultural Revolution in China.
michael malice
Madam Mao, yeah.
ian crossland
And I wonder if Hillary had that kind of psychotic prowess.
tim pool
How insane was it that they tried to run Hillary in 2016?
And who was it?
Martin O'Malley?
And who was the other?
michael malice
Lincoln Chafee.
tim pool
It was like they had just grabbed some bread.
They were trying to find candidates to prop up to make it seem like Hillary was actually running.
And they walked into the hallway and they grabbed the janitor and the building manager.
michael malice
But they also grabbed Bernie and he almost won.
tim pool
No, Bernie wasn't supposed to be.
michael malice
No, he wasn't, yeah.
tim pool
It was the internet.
Which is why Barack Obama is so scared of the internet right now.
michael malice
Oh, tell me about that.
That is a great Tim Pool segway.
You have a musical cue?
Tim Pool segway!
tim pool
What a coincidence!
We have an article about this.
Obama said the internet is, quote, the single biggest threat to our democracy.
Why?
Because people were sharing memes of Pepe the Frog and then they voted for Donald Trump.
ian crossland
I think I see a perspective of what he might have meant.
That corporate power is the most dangerous.
michael malice
Do you think that's what Barack Obama meant?
Corporate power?
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
I know.
michael malice
I do know.
ian crossland
Maybe he meant like Twitter being able to ban whoever they want is the biggest threat.
Because it seems like a very vague statement.
I want to know the greater context.
michael malice
Are you being ironic?
tim pool
No, I'm just wondering what the greater context... The greater context actually is not as nefarious as the headlines make it out to be.
michael malice
What's the context?
tim pool
Obama said, now you have a situation in which large swaths of the country genuinely believe that the Democratic Party- Let me be clear.
Let me be clear.
michael malice
Let me be clear.
Is a front- I was born overseas.
tim pool
For a pedo-ring.
michael malice
And he says- It was a certificate of live birth.
tim pool
I was talking to a volunteer who was going door-to-door in Philadelphia in low-income African-American communities and was getting serious- was getting questions about QAnon conspiracy theories.
He was asked, is this new malevolent information architecture bending the moral arc away from justice?
He said, I think it's the biggest threat to our democracy.
Later in the interview, Obama makes it quite clear that much of his concern is specifically about the internet, which he is also quite clear isn't going away, and the big platforms that sort and distribute most of the internet for most people.
He said, I don't hold the tech companies entirely responsible because this predates social media.
It was already there.
But social media has turbocharged it.
I know most of these folks.
I've talked to them about it.
The degree to which these companies are insisting that they are more like a phone company than they are like the Atlantic, I do not think is tenable.
I actually agree with that.
It's bonkers.
michael malice
I agree with him.
I'm with you.
tim pool
They're making editorial choices, whether they've buried them in algorithms or not.
The First Amendment doesn't require private companies to provide a platform for any view that is out there.
At the end of the day, we're going to have to find a combination of government regulations and corporate practices that address this, because it's going to get worse.
If you can penetrate crazy lies and conspiracy theories just with texts, imagine what you can do when you can make it look like you or me say anything on video.
And we're pretty close to that now.
Goldberg says, it's the famous Steve Bannon strategy, flood the zone with human waste.
He swore, but you know, we don't.
He said, if we do not have the capacity to distinguish what's true from what's false, then by definition, the marketplace of ideas doesn't work.
And by definition, our democracy doesn't work.
We are entering into an epistemological crisis.
michael malice
So I think it's amazing the idea that the marketplace of ideas doesn't work, But having corporations and government work together to tell you what the truth is is really a healthier alternative.
tim pool
I know that's not the academic definition of fascism that all the leftists like to use.
unidentified
It is.
tim pool
No, that's the Mussolini.
michael malice
Mussolini invented fascism.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
But the actual, like, now academic is ultra-nationalism, everything, you know, the individual is sacrificed for the greater good of the state.
But right, the lucrative merger of corporations and states.
michael malice
So Mussolini, there's an amazing book by John Diggins that came out in the 70s called Mussolini and America, Mussolini and Fascism View for America.
Before Hitler, Mussolini was really looked at as this great, great figure.
I talk about this also in The New Right, because you had the Great Depression, capitalism doesn't work, you don't want to be like Russia, this was the third way.
Mussolini was regarded as the moderate figure.
Fascism is based on a rejection of reason and it's about the will and the will to power.
When Obama says, yes, we can, that is quintessential fascism.
It's just a fascism with a smile on its face and that people like, but that is the idea.
It's like, okay, Mussolini, how are you going to make the railroad run in time?
And you're going to have this spending on military and you're going to give everyone job.
We'll figure it out because we're Italians and we can do it.
That is the fascist model.
Now, of course, the term has a very nefarious context because you got in bed with Hitler and he's not exactly a nice person.
But yeah, it's always been part and parcel of American culture.
tim pool
This is the crazy thing about all the lockdowns right now and what they're planning.
So, you know, just going back to this stuff about Donald Trump potentially winning.
If you care about individual freedom, if you care about the right of the working class, if you care about wealth inequality, you do not want Joe Biden to win this.
michael malice
But I want to go back to what Obama's saying, because this is something that's a huge white pill for me, and I think for a lot of people.
And in fact, I tweeted about this, and I got more likes than the Vox article about it.
The point being, they're scared because people aren't looking at them as arbiters of truth anymore.
They're telling you, this is what's true, and a lot of people are saying, well, whatever you say, the opposite's true.
But then there's a lot of people saying, okay, what's the alternative?
Let me hear the other side.
And for a very long time, the left couldn't even handle Fox News existing.
The fact that Fox News is there and has some kind of alternative to like textbook NPR Atlantic New Republic chicanery drove them crazy.
And now Fox News, I mean, they should be so thankful.
That it's just Fox News, because things have gotten much- Well, now it's Newsmax.
And then OAN, and the internet, and InfoWars.
tim pool
You see Newsmax's ratings?
michael malice
Are they good?
tim pool
Through the roof, like 750% increase in the span of a week.
michael malice
Wow.
ian crossland
What happened?
I've never even heard of them before.
tim pool
Fox News is doing a really, really awful job covering what's going on at the election.
Now, it's true there's people who want confirmation bias, but it's also true that I'm sitting there watching Fox News, and then they have John Roberts say, there is no evidence of voter fraud, and I'm like, What?
There's tons of evidence.
lydia smith
Wasn't John Roberts the one who was talking about how everyone needs to leave the media alone, stop pinging on the media?
michael malice
The corporate press is factual but not truthful.
unidentified
There you go.
michael malice
So, there is no evidence of voter fraud.
We're not talking about voter fraud.
We're talking about lost votes.
tim pool
No, there is evidence of voter fraud.
He was just wrong.
michael malice
Oh, okay, then I'm wrong.
I'm trying to make him out to be better than he is.
tim pool
They're playing semantic games.
They're trying to replace the word evidence with definitive proof.
They're also trying to make it seem like the evidence that needs to be presented to start an investigation is... Like a videotape of somebody, you know, tearing a ballot.
ian crossland
No, no, no, no.
tim pool
Not even that.
Because that's not widespread.
You need evidence of 7,000, a video of 7,000 people all going, we're switching votes for Biden.
We're switching votes for Biden.
Singing a song and shuffling the bush broom into a fire pit.
unidentified
That's what they expect.
tim pool
There is evidence.
I'll give you one example.
Nashawn Garrett appeared on Laura Ingraham saying he got a call from the Voter Integrity Fund.
They asked him if he requested an absentee ballot in Arizona.
He said no.
Did you vote?
No.
Well, someone did.
He said that straight up on TV.
Maybe he's lying.
But that's still evidence.
Because the definition of evidence is the available body of information suggesting something may be or signs or indications that something may be.
If someone comes out, he's Olympic, he's training for the Olympics, this is a guy of seeming great repute and honor, is saying, that wasn't me.
I didn't do that.
Okay, we got evidence of voter fraud.
Is it systemic voter fraud?
No, but the way I put it is like this.
Imagine you're walking down the street, and you're in New York City, and there's this big building, when all of a sudden you hear a fire alarm going off.
And you go, oh jeez, a fire alarm!
So you call 9-1-1, and they say, 9-1-1, emergency response, and you go, there's a fire alarm going off, I'm on 5th and, you know, and A Street or whatever, and they go, Well, do you have evidence there's a fire?
Well, the fire alarm is going off.
I don't know.
I'm not going in the building.
Well, we don't have evidence of a widespread fire in the building, so we're not going to bother investigating at all.
The alarm is going off.
That is when the fire department comes out, goes in the building, walks out.
False alarm, guys.
Someone just tripped the alarm.
We decided we're good to go or they go and say wow there's a big fire
What's happening now is we have sworn affidavits, we have whistleblowers, we have massive irregularities.
We have the Voter Integrity Fund saying that they found thousands of instances in many different states of people who have moved, changed their addresses, and still voted.
And now they're saying they did a random sampling of around 1,700 Republicans, asked them, did you request an absentee ballot?
About 500 said no.
The remainder, they said yes, and they sent it in, but around 450 They say the voting system never received their mail-in ballots.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Massive discrepancies.
So we've got smoke coming out of the windows, and we've got the alarm going off, and they're telling us when we call 9-1-1, but that's not evidence of an actual fire.
Are you seeing the actual fire?
michael malice
Meanwhile, if you go to Wikipedia right now, and look up the entry for the 2016 election, the very first paragraph... Sandra, excuse me, it's that pizza.
It says there was evidence found that Russia tried to interfere in the election.
Now, what that means is, yeah, if I buy five Facebook ads...
They're not trying to interfere with the election.
It's factual but not truthful.
lydia smith
Technically, correct.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Because if you did, it wouldn't be like America.
michael malice
Or if I were Russia, for example.
ian crossland
Or if you were an American, they wouldn't say, America is trying to interfere.
They'd say, Michael Malice.
tim pool
So to go back to the point we were bringing up that brought us into that conversation is Newsmax.
So in Fox News, let me start with this.
Chris Evans posted this clip.
Famous Captain America, Chris Evans.
And it's John Roberts saying, Trump's campaign has said not all legal votes have been cast, are counted, and not all illegal votes have been excluded.
Where they're coming up short is evidence, and like, or evidence of fraud or whatever.
And then Chris Evans starts laughing like, and like, did you Google search it?
Because that's not true.
John Roberts was not reporting the truth.
Because the lawsuits from Trump, and it's another thing they do.
I can't remember which... I was watching CNN.
Reality check!
They said, in Trump's lawsuit, they come out and admit there's no voter fraud.
And then they show a highlight on the forms, and they don't highlight the portion where it says, we're arguing about 529 ballot irregularities.
And then the judge says, so you're not arguing fraud?
Not to my knowledge here, sir.
They weren't saying there was no fraud, period.
It was one lawsuit, about 500 ballots.
The judge said, are you implying there's fraud on these ballots?
No, these are about improperly filled out ballots.
They took that clip, factual but not truthful, to manipulate people.
So, in terms of Fox News, you've got regular people who are like, I literally watched a video of this thing happen, and Fox News said it didn't happen.
Later, and they go to Newsmax.
Or they go to OAN.
Newsmax seems to do a fairly good job, though they are extremely biased, but I'll tell you my favorite part of all of this is we hear what Barack Obama is saying about the internet, right?
Brian Stelter of CNN said it's a threat to our democracy that conservatives are going to Newsmax and Parler because they're not being kept in the confines of the ivory cathedral.
michael malice
It's, our democracy always means do what we want.
It's all, it's interesting that phrase is getting such, it's such a begging the question kind of thing, assuming that what you're trying to prove when you use that our democracy, you do not regard the people who view things differently than you as part of your democracy.
You view them as illegitimate, deplorable, evil.
tim pool
Ugly chumps.
unidentified
That's what Biden said.
michael malice
Who need to be cast out.
tim pool
Yeah.
Ugly, ugly chumps.
michael malice
Well, he's not awful.
He's wrong.
ian crossland
I get real triggered when they say the American people, whenever someone says that and tries to talk about 350 million of us like they know what we're thinking, drives me insane.
tim pool
No, they don't.
They don't.
They don't care about people.
And it's, you know, maybe a long time ago, the inception of this country, it made sense when a Congress, a congressperson would represent, back then, a congressman would represent 30,000 people.
Now with 750,000, all they're doing, especially in Senate races and for federal elections, they're going, they look at numbers, raw numbers, the ratings.
It's not about the individuals and what they need, it's about the ratings.
So they're looking at this the same as a TV show is looking at it.
How did we do in last night's debate?
Did we score good in the ratings?
I'm using an analogy, but it's basically, how many people liked the show?
michael malice
That's it.
I think it's more nefarious than that.
For example, when Chris Wallace is moderating the debate between Donald Trump and Joe Biden, and he explicitly says, when they're trying to teach critical race theory, all they're teaching is not to be rude to someone who's an immigrant.
tim pool
He didn't even say critical race theory.
He said, Trump, you recently banned sensitivity trainings.
And then I was like, what?
No, he didn't.
Did you even read it?
That's not what he banned.
michael malice
And also, to categorize it in that specific way, that's a valid point of view.
It's not your place to qualify it and say, this is what it means.
Let each candidate say their point of view, especially if someone banned it.
Why did you ban it?
Explain to me.
tim pool
Right.
That wasn't a debate.
It was literally just set up against Donald Trump.
michael malice
And what I think what's interesting is Fox, which has I think by far the most loyal audience of all the networks, I think the average Fox viewer watches like 12 hours a day, they are feeling really betrayed that the Fox isn't acting like people who watch CNN thinks Fox acts.
Chris Wallace and Megyn Kelly in 2020 and 2016 were by far the hardest moderators on Donald Trump.
tim pool
Yeah.
And now it's really funny because the left keeps saying, like, whenever Fox says something that's bad for Trump, they go, wow, even Fox News is saying it!
michael malice
Even Mitt Romney voted for it!
tim pool
Yeah, Mitt Romney.
We all think he's, you know, a bastion of conservatism.
Corporate politicians who pretend to represent the people.
And we're supposed to be surprised, but I'll tell you what's crazy is Regular people are being snapped out of this, and it's like a cascade effect.
I guess you call it a white pill?
Like, what is that?
michael malice
That's the red pill.
The white pill's hope.
But yeah, the red pill... No, that's what I mean.
tim pool
I mean the white pill, like, from seeing all these people wake up, it's that there's a path to victory.
michael malice
Exactly.
We thought... Here's the definition of the white pill.
Hold on, I wrote it down last time I was here, because I want to get the wording exactly right.
I have the documents.
tim pool
He does.
michael malice
I have the documents.
Knock, knock.
ian crossland
Who's there?
michael malice
Sandy.
ian crossland
Sandy who?
michael malice
Didn't you get enough trouble with that, Alex?
I didn't use that one on the air.
This is the white pill.
This is the official definition, you internet nerds.
It's possible we will lose.
It's, it's, it's, it's impossible that we must lose.
That's all you need.
And now, increasingly, people are just saying, I'm sick of it.
Because in 2008, as I tweeted out, Barack Obama used the internet to get elected.
Data mining in 2012.
They were all fellating him.
So excited.
This guy's the greatest thing ever.
He used Facebook leverage thing.
And now that it goes the other way, the internet's the biggest threat to our democracy.
You don't have to have a view on Obama or the internet to be like, someone is not keeping their story straight.
It's like a husband is cheating on you.
At a certain point, you're like, these stories just don't add up.
I don't believe you.
tim pool
You know what's weird?
This show has some kind of, like, barrier.
Don't ask me why.
michael malice
It's the beanie.
tim pool
We had on Alex Jones.
ian crossland
Cognitive dissonance.
michael malice
No, it's the tinfoil hat.
That's the barrier.
tim pool
Not only did we have on Alex Jones with Michael, the show got pulled by YouTube.
Nobody wrote about it.
Just the Washington Times.
ian crossland
It's cognitive dissonance.
michael malice
What is?
ian crossland
People are unable to qualify.
What do they write about?
It de-verifies.
tim pool
They write about Joe Rogan all the time.
michael malice
They don't know where to explain it.
ian crossland
If they start to accept some of the things we talk about, it will viscerate their worldview.
So in their mind, it's like incapable.
It's what they call cognitive dissonance.
michael malice
This is the point I made in the last four years.
What if instead of Trump being literally Hitler, he's just like a jerk?
What if he's a mediocre William McKinley president, right?
But if he's just mediocre and a C-, the whole story falls apart.
Because then it's like, why am I supposed to be upset?
Because he kind of sucks.
But it has to be that he's the worst existential threat America's ever had.
So it's like they don't know how to deal with things that don't fit into their convenient packaging.
ian crossland
Complicated system.
I don't like saying the average person because I can't speak for other people, but just trying to learn about the World Economic Forum and things outside of the global, you know, the American government and even the American government itself is super complex.
So like to say, like, the president's pretty average, kind of C-minus, D-plus maybe.
Yeah, I agree with you.
tim pool
Well, I don't think you were actually saying that about Trump.
michael malice
No, but I'm not saying that about Trump.
He's not the villain.
tim pool
Because we all know he's like A++, S-class, the best of the best.
michael malice
He's a very stable genius.
unidentified
Yes, indeed.
ian crossland
Which is more than obvious.
So you agree, he's not the villain.
If you were to go this route, he's not the villain.
michael malice
You know what he's going to say?
He's going to say, I accomplished everything I wanted to in four years, so I didn't need a second term.
unidentified
Oh, snap.
lydia smith
You're right.
I think you might be right.
tim pool
And then he'll say, I never lost, it was stolen.
He'll never admit defeat.
Or, I mean, we're looking at some goings on, and maybe he's just like, I won, I won the whole time.
michael malice
Listen, this wouldn't be the first time a cop stole something.
lydia smith
Okay, that's fair.
ian crossland
Yeah, civil asset forfeiture.
Did you guys hear Jack Dorsey testified?
tim pool
It's a waste of time.
It's a waste of time.
ian crossland
He actually said that centralized adjudication of social networks is not scalable.
tim pool
Jack Dorsey has been whispering sweet nothings into the ears of everyone for the past several years and I sat in front of him and he said all of the same things he's repeated over and over again and he is lying every time.
michael malice
Lying or delusional?
tim pool
He's lying.
ian crossland
I think he doesn't have power.
michael malice
What's he saying that's inaccurate?
tim pool
So he said, we want to have a path to redemption two years ago.
He's been saying we don't have bias years ago.
I explained to him how his bias exists in the rules and he still feigns ignorance.
michael malice
Okay.
tim pool
There's no way at this point he's like, I didn't realize that.
ian crossland
I don't think he owns it.
michael malice
You don't know that though.
It could be people's brains are complicated things.
I'm just playing devil's advocate.
It could be that when you say things that don't port into his larger worldview, he literally can't process it.
tim pool
I've DM'd with him.
No, for sure.
I think it's like every single time something bad happens, it's really obvious.
He goes, that was a mistake and we're fixing it.
And it's like, oh, it was a mistake.
You know, there was a poll that came out.
There's actually two polls showing that when people learned of Hunter Biden scandal, they regretted voting for Biden.
michael malice
Oh, wow.
tim pool
And they said the percentage point was like five or 6%, which clearly would have given Trump the victory if people had known.
The media kept this a secret.
Social media banned the information because they want to help Joe Biden win.
Look, I think it's indisputable at this point because they didn't ban Trump's tax returns.
They didn't ban the leaked tapes of Melania.
They didn't ban the Edward Snowden leaks.
I think Ted Cruz brought this up.
Maybe it was Ted Cruz.
Did you ban the Edward Snowden?
michael malice
What about Julie Swetnick?
tim pool
with Kavanaugh. Yeah, well, so that wasn't hacked information, though, right? No. The argument was,
well, we only ban this because we presumed the information was hacked and we made a mistake.
michael malice
But what about the Pentagon papers? This was their, this is their big thing. It's like,
this is secret government information. This is the New York Times at its finest.
tim pool
It's obviously a lie. It's obviously a lie. So when they were asked about Trump's tax returns,
he said, well, they were reporting on them, not giving out the documents or whatever.
It's like, okay, well, what about the leaked Melania tapes?
Whereas Melania was secretly recorded.
Well, that's not hacking.
You know what, dude?
What about Mary Trump?
Hacked information.
michael malice
So the point is, Twitter makes up this new excuse.
If it's hacked information, we won't allow it.
and the aunt was saying horrible things about her brother donald and it's just like you you reported
tim pool
that perfectly fine so the the point is twitter makes up this new excuse if it's hacked information
we won't allow it even though it wasn't but there is an excuse if
It's easy for them to always have an excuse for why they are subverting our commons.
Our ability to vote, our institutions.
There's always an excuse.
ian crossland
This says from the New York Times that Dorsey only owns 2% of Twitter now.
So I don't think he has like no power anymore.
tim pool
I think he's a figurehead.
ian crossland
He gave it up.
tim pool
He's saying all of these things that have nothing to do with the company.
ian crossland
And he has no power to change it anymore.
Probably.
But he did acknowledge that centralized adjudication, basically what he was saying is that a company trying to be the arbiter of what can come and go and be banned is not scalable.
michael malice
It's not.
You have to have self-reporting and things like that.
Yes.
That is not possible.
ian crossland
And that I think Obama was kind of, goes along with what Obama was saying about the danger of these social media companies controlling the narrative.
michael malice
But what I don't think they appreciate, just from, and maybe this is going to be concern trolling, I don't know, but like in the 90s when you had the project, I forget what it was called, Tipper Gore was involved and a few other people, and they were saying that there was all these songs on the radio that were like a problem, you can't have a, Cyndi Lauper's Shebop was one of the songs that they were trying to get banned because it's about pleasuring yourself apparently.
So their solution was when you have a CD in the store to have a big warning label, it contains explicit lyrics.
Well, that's how you know what the good CDs are, right?
So it's the kind of thing where it's like, oh, this is misinformation.
That's like planting a flag, encouraging people to look into it.
ian crossland
Yeah, there's a bunch of memes now going around where people say something and then put a misinformation.
tim pool
So during these hearings, first of all, I want to say this about these hearings.
They had, you know, Zuckerberg and Dorsey, and it is a big waste of time.
I don't believe anyone's going to do anything.
The Republicans go, I'm grandstanding.
Listen to me.
You censor people.
lydia smith
Take that.
There you go.
tim pool
And that's it.
michael malice
Remember Tucker Carlson?
I think it was Jim Jordan or Kevin McCarthy on.
And he's like, OK, we're having an investigation.
This is ridiculous.
And Tucker's like, you've had four years.
What do you do now?
Are you kidding me?
And he'd have an answer.
tim pool
Because they don't want to.
They don't care.
They're like, that's what I was saying about they just look at you like ratings.
And right now these Republicans in Congress are giving a good show.
I'm addressing your concerns.
ian crossland
Did you see the Ted Cruz gave like a two and a half minute impassioned speech about how the Democrats were Trying to subvert our democracy and our speech and it was but there was it was just Ted Cruz talking like there was no I was like, okay, I'm gonna see the people the things they're saying that he's complaining about yeah that it was just people are Realizing that they fight in public and the laugh at you behind your back.
michael malice
Yeah that it's all a show and they all collude What do we do except for Trump?
ian crossland
I think he laughs behind our back, too.
tim pool
I don't think so.
michael malice
He's laughing in front of us, too.
tim pool
Yeah, I think Trump is just straight up insulting people laughing.
But I tell you this, behind closed doors, I know Trump's really angry with and pointing the finger at and laughing at the establishment, the intelligence agencies, not the regular people.
But I look at people like Hillary Clinton.
She's the kind of person... You know that story where she was on a plane, and it was the Air Force, and she held up her wine glass and went, To, like, an Air Force, like, officer.
unidentified
Commander, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, commander, like, give me more wine.
And he's like, what?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
It's like, I'm in the Air Force flying a plane, you're on the... And she was like... Get it out of my cauldron.
Go get me, yeah.
Get me one ladleful of my potion.
michael malice
What about when she was First Lady and she was telling the Secret Service to carry her bags, and they're like, ma'am, we need our hands out free so we can protect you.
And she's like, well, what the F good are you then?
tim pool
Yes, she's the kind of person who goes behind closed doors and laughs about the rabble.
I don't see Trump as being like that.
michael malice
No.
ian crossland
Well, he would complain about his servants if he was in the private sector.
lydia smith
No.
ian crossland
No, I don't believe this.
We're all just assuming.
unidentified
No, we're not.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
michael malice
You sure?
tim pool
I thought he was like a jerk.
Yeah, he'd walk in the front door.
I've gone to Trump Tower and asked the people who work there.
They love the man.
They love him.
ian crossland
I went to- I'm talking about what he says behind their back, though.
unidentified
Sure, sure, sure.
ian crossland
I don't think he's a very nice guy.
tim pool
Hillary Clinton, she's telling a story where she's like, carry my bags.
ian crossland
She's a straight up B!
tim pool
I don't think, look, Trump probably talks smack about everybody, but here's the thing.
We know he does.
So that's the thing.
I don't think Trump is making fun of mocking and belittling regular people.
When he's a guy who's, when he eats fast food all the time, and he does and he always has, I don't see him as the guy coming out and going like, these disgusting filth peasants eating their disgusting food.
No, he's going to McDonald's.
So he does kind of rag on a lot of people.
He's got a mouth on him, huh?
But Hillary Clinton and probably Joe Biden and a lot of these people are the kind... Romney?
Romney, definitely.
Yeah, the 47% was that Romney?
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
When he's like, yeah, the rebel, oh, heaven forbid they get in our rooms.
Donald Trump has McDonald's at the White House for regular people.
He has well done steak with ketchup.
michael malice
Mitt Romney won't even drink caffeine.
Freak religion.
tim pool
Well, Donald, isn't Donald Trump like he's never had alcohol.
He's never had drugs.
michael malice
That's a lie.
That's a lie.
unidentified
Really?
michael malice
Because there's a book my buddy Alan Salkin wrote about, I forget what it's
called, basically the method to his madness.
And it talked about back in the day, he'd be down at the club and he'd have,
you know, champagne or wine in his hands.
So he says he's a teetotaler, but apparently- He's a freaking liar.
tim pool
He's a germaphobe.
michael malice
He is.
lydia smith
Okay, so he avoids alcohol because his brother died of alcoholism-related alcoholism.
michael malice
But I mean, you would think- I can understand how after that you would never drink again, but before that?
lydia smith
I think he, well, alcoholism ran in their family, didn't it?
His brother was a super alcoholic.
His dad was an alcoholic, I think, too.
ian crossland
Fred?
lydia smith
That makes sense to me.
ian crossland
Michael, assuming that all these people are crazy psychopaths, these representatives, what's the answer?
michael malice
I'm not allowed to say.
ian crossland
Give me a little.
michael malice
No, we'll get banned.
ian crossland
Just slide it over.
michael malice
Come on, don't you mean like what kind of trebuchet?
unidentified
Yeah What angle no, what's the gravity?
No, um, where were you?
michael malice
I'm gonna be serious I think that I'm talking about this in my next book that I'm writing now, which is being it's taking forever to write the point is because People a lot like talk about it's like 1984.
It's very Orwellian.
And I've always maintained it's much closer to Brave New World by Aldous Huxley, where the elites rule not through force, not through threats of force, but by using pleasure.
By keeping you numb.
You know, watch these stupid movies.
tim pool
Pills!
michael malice
Literal pills!
Yeah, pills.
And I think it's going to be very easy once people realize, wait a minute, like these people are horrible and they don't represent me.
I have nothing in common with them.
Why am I locked in my house while Gretchen Whitmer is doing whatever she wants, getting Botoxed on her yacht?
This is not happening.
And I think this is why I'm having issues.
I sound like Joe Biden now, I can't even say it.
tim pool
Eating too much pizza.
michael malice
Yeah, or not enough.
It's hard for me to reconcile how submissive and servile so many Americans have been over this past year throughout this country with the reaction to the election, which has been very ahistorical on the right, very much not even a pretense of like, we're going to listen to this.
It's being regarded as a complete farce.
That, I don't know how to reconcile those two things.
tim pool
This is kind of crazy, because one of the reasons I didn't vote in 2016 is that I have absolutely no faith in the electoral process.
I was like, what's the point?
You know, the two-party system, the people you want, they never get elected, they lie, they get elected, then they do whatever they want, they appoint the same people, and then all of a sudden, Donald Trump got elected, and I was like, wow, I was laughing.
This dude kicked in the doors.
What are people saying?
It's a bull in the cathedral.
He's running around stomping on- Well, china shop.
michael malice
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
I say bull in the ivory tower, but, you know, cathedral probably works better because it encompasses more than just, uh, politics.
michael malice
Yeah, Hollywood's not the ivory tower.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice
And Hollywood's a major part of this.
tim pool
Right.
So Trump kicks in the door and then all of a sudden I'm like, eh, well, I guess you can win.
Now things are kind of different.
Because at first I was thinking, like, you can actually win, the system, you know, actually works.
Now I'm looking at everything that's going on right now, clearly the system isn't working.
I mean, well, I shouldn't say it that way, what I should say is, the front door of the machine is In not opening, I guess?
I don't want to say the machine is broken or the system isn't working because Trump is going through all of these processes, but clearly it's not what anyone expected.
You'd vote, we're done, have a nice day.
Now it's just the craziest election of my life.
michael malice
Trump taught the outgroup, and I don't mean just certain Republicans, I mean like leftists who are part of the, like the Bernie people who got kicked out of the process in 2016 and 2020 especially.
He taught them, we can win.
And he also taught them even if we lose, we can have a lot of fun and make some really bad people really upset as part of the process.
And that's a bell they can't unring and that's really freaking them out.
tim pool
Can you imagine?
It's like a hundred years from now and there's like little kids are running to school and they're
wearing their little red hats and there's a statue of Donald Trump and it's like Donald Trump,
you know, high and there's a bunch of high schools across the country, across the planet that are
named Trump and they're like, a hundred years ago Donald Trump, you know, led this country to great,
like, could you imagine that historical moment they look back at Trump that way?
michael malice
I think it's going to be very hard to imagine a building with the word Trump on it.
tim pool
I know, that'd be ridiculous.
The school, the schools are going to have like a gigantic golden sign of his name.
No, but I mean, like, could you imagine if that's where we really end up?
Like for all of his problems, he's the, he's actually the guy who gets the regular people to, to, you know, take back their liberty, break out of this, this, uh, this numbness essentially.
ian crossland
I could see him leaving office and repurposing his wealth to do incredible.
No, I don't see Trump doing that.
I mean, he's got all this money, and now he's got all this reason to buck the system.
tim pool
Trump is not a technology person.
If Trump would take his money, he'd build a building.
lydia smith
He's gonna buck the system by revising the entire media.
That's his jam.
ian crossland
By a news organization.
tim pool
Trump isn't the cause of all this, though, you know?
Trump didn't start this.
He's just the avatar of that energy and the anger.
michael malice
Yes, and they don't realize that.
Again, I think we talked about this last week.
They thought they kill a head vampire, movie's over.
lydia smith
Can't figure it out.
michael malice
That's not how it works.
tim pool
Well, now they're writing that they gotta go after Trump-ism.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Trump-ism is the biggest threat.
ian crossland
And that was like the day after the election that that word... Right.
tim pool
But I also think that's them desperate to keep up their golden goose.
Yes.
Like, you know, they gutted it.
They're like, okay, well, if Trump lost, what do we do?
What do we write about Trump-ism?
And there's actually a Wikipedia page for Trump-ism.
I kid you not, and I'm like, what is it?
And basically it said, ruling by promising people things and offering up division as a means of excuse.
You mean what everyone does?
It said politics, basically.
Trump-ism.
And it's part of a series on conservatism in the United States.
unidentified
Oh boy.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
So I don't know, man.
Do you think seeing what's going on in Wayne County?
I mean, well, actually, we were talking earlier and it kind of sounded like we were both in agreement that Trump's on the outs, right?
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
Now, how do you feel?
michael malice
I still feel that way, but I still think he's... Did his percentage go up a little bit?
No, I think the percentage of something Black Swan went up.
tim pool
Like, what does that mean?
michael malice
Meaning something that neither of us saw coming.
A funny third day.
Like, just a weird outlier.
It's not impossible that, God forbid, something happens to Trump or Biden still.
And then what happens?
tim pool
Right now, I don't know what would happen.
My understanding, and I could be wrong, is if Biden... something happens to him, he's out of the race.
The race isn't certified.
The election is not certified.
So if Biden is unable to run, the votes that went to Biden are... They don't go to Kamala Harris.
michael malice
They do not.
You vote for the individual, you're not... Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
And so what would happen is, then they would say, okay, then who got the most votes?
Donald Trump did.
michael malice
Or each state picks.
tim pool
Or it could be someone else.
michael malice
It could be like Mike Pence.
Isn't it my understanding that states can vote whoever they want?
tim pool
The state legislators decide how the electors have to vote.
That's a Supreme Court ruling from earlier this year.
michael malice
My point is, I don't think they have to choose between the top two at that point.
tim pool
Yeah, I think you're right, yeah.
Well, actually, most states have a law that says they have to vote for the person who received the most votes.
michael malice
But if that person is gone for whatever reason, then what happens?
tim pool
It's Trump.
If you're in an election, and you have 10 votes, and I have 9, and you drop out of the race, then the person with the most votes is me.
You're not in the race anymore.
michael malice
No, but I had the 10 votes.
tim pool
I don't think it works that way.
That doesn't make sense.
michael malice
You know what?
I think what would happen very quickly is that people, lawyers who think like you, have your argument, lawyers who think like me have my argument, and then it's going to be a crisis, obviously.
tim pool
And that could seriously happen.
Shrewd amount of pressure.
Could you, like he said that.
ian crossland
He's gonna win, dude.
tim pool
He said, turn it on a shabbat of pressure.
ian crossland
I'm getting that feeling of just giving up where I had with Hillary Clinton.
I was like, dude, you can't beat the machine.
tim pool
You know what I was thinking?
It's gonna be Joe Biden and he's gonna be standing, they're talking about not even having an inauguration because of COVID, but in reality it's because privately they're saying, this was reported by Politico, I think it was Politico, they're scared that it's only gonna be Trump supporters who show up.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
It's gonna be a sea of people like pulling out Trump flags.
ian crossland
So he's gonna rule from his basement?
tim pool
So he's gonna hide, but that would be, like, seriously unprecedented.
michael malice
My understanding is that he wants to harken back to when Americans were united and he's gonna be inaugurated using FDR's wheelchair.
Huh.
ian crossland
You think so?
tim pool
You're joking.
michael malice
I'm joking.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
No, I think... Dude, I think they're hiding it.
tim pool
What happens if Joe Biden puts his hand on the Bible, raises it... It starts smoking.
Yeah, and then his hand bursts into flames, he goes, it wasn't supposed to be a real Bible!
No, but, uh, he puts him in the Bible, and then they say, you know, I solemnly swear, I solemnly swear to uphold the Constitution of these Unites, to uphold the consternation of these United States, and to swirly, you know, blah, blah, blah, I don't know the actual oath.
michael malice
Do you know what happens then?
tim pool
And then he falls over.
michael malice
No, it depends.
tim pool
That is an ageist joke, Michael.
We don't allow those in studio.
But I hate Asians, they're the worst.
Oh my gosh!
Did you ever see that video?
It was in the UK, there was an ad in the newspaper that said there was a room for rent, no Asians.
And so this journalist saw it and was like, this is blatantly a violation of the law.
It says no Asians.
So he goes to the guy and the guy's, he's like, did you say in your ad no Asians?
And he goes, yeah, they're terrible people.
He starts ragging on them.
And then he was like, why?
Why would you say that?
He goes, because they just want to take your money.
And he goes, wait, what?
Yeah, you got to pay them a fee just to list your building?
Because he had a heavy accent.
No agents!
unidentified
Agents!
tim pool
And so they put in the ad Asians.
Oh, wow.
Anyway, what were we talking about before we went off?
ian crossland
Joe Biden winning.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So Joe Biden's going to be at the inauguration.
And I'm just saying, what if this happens?
He's reading the oath and then he keels over.
lydia smith
Likely.
tim pool
What if he can't speak it?
What if they're like saying, he goes, conservation.
michael malice
So I think in that case, the Republicans are going to fight that he's still the president and the Democrats are going to fight for Kamala Harris.
tim pool
So, uh, well, no, if they would go to Nancy Pelosi.
michael malice
Why?
tim pool
Because if no one gets inaugurated on the 20th, it goes to the next person in line who is in office, and it's Nancy Pelosi.
So the Congress gets there, they get sworn in or whatever early January.
So if there's no president on the 20th, then Nancy Pelosi is duly sworn in.
michael malice
That would only be that day, but if he were to... Wait, when's the Vice President sworn in?
Same day, right?
tim pool
Oh, I don't know.
michael malice
I don't know.
tim pool
But that's what everyone's saying.
If they don't inaugurate a new president on the 20th, Trump is out.
And the next person who is in office- But they're inaugurating the president and the vice
michael malice
president.
So if Joe Biden, God forbid, keels over that minute, we have a vice president who's Kamala
tim pool
Harris.
I don't think it would work that way.
michael malice
I don't think so.
That is how- if the president dies- Okay, I see what you're saying.
tim pool
But it might be because I was reading something about there's a provision in the Constitution saying that they would immediately give it to the vice president-elect.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
So I think it would immediately go to Kamala.
But what I was reading, it was specifically outlining when that happens, and I don't know if it's in that scenario.
But there's a scenario where it's like, apparently if there's like a legal dispute, then they will give it to the vice president elect or something.
michael malice
I think that was the season finale of Veep.
unidentified
What?
michael malice
That literally was the season finale of Veep.
tim pool
I don't watch Veep.
I've never seen Veep.
michael malice
That happened on Veep.
Sorry to spoil everything, people.
Yeah.
tim pool
The second to last season, that's how it ended.
It's probably because it's based on the actual constitution.
michael malice
That's why it happens.
This stuff is not in the constitution.
tim pool
I was reading a provision from the constitution that was explaining when they would bypass
the president-elect for the vice president-elect.
It happens.
michael malice
Very simple.
I'm not arguing that that's not the law.
I'm saying I don't think that's in the Constitution, that scenario.
All these things that you're spelling out are such complicated explanations of the law
that they're not addressed.
The Constitution is very, very bad about a lot of this stuff.
Very simple, too simple.
And a lot of these things, like the 22nd Amendment, whatever it was, where they have to be like,
okay, what, the 25th Amendment, like that's them being like,
because at first you didn't even have separate votes for the president and the vice president.
You had the tie with Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr in 1800.
So it gets complicated.
tim pool
Whoever got the second most became vice president.
Could you imagine President Biden, Vice President Trump?
ian crossland
Might not be a bad thing.
tim pool
I mean, I think that was a better system.
Because then you had competing factions, but yeah, I mean, you'd end up with competing ideologies, but having that, you know, level of power, that seems to make more sense.
They changed it.
Now you have one party getting the boot and one party taking over.
Also, the 17th Amendment, man, that was a terrible idea.
michael malice
Is that ending slavery?
tim pool
No, the 17th was appointing senators by popular vote.
michael malice
Oh, of course that's a terrible idea.
tim pool
Because what it did, in my opinion, I was reading about it, is that it took away state political activity, essentially.
People used to actually care about who they would vote for for their state legislature.
Now they don't know or care.
And it was supposed to be that the state representatives would vote for a senator to go and represent the state to the federal government.
Makes a lot of sense.
They passed the 17th for a bunch of reasons, and one of which was, like, elites were paying for senatorships and stuff like that because it was really easy to bribe ten people to, like, get you the vote, or even, you know, six to get the majority.
And so they're like, we'll do it by popular vote.
And that basically then I'll put it this way, you know what's really funny is when people are like, you see these commercials, and it'll be a congressman or a senator or a congresswoman or whatever, and they're like, I'm gonna clean up our district.
It's like, you're a federal representative.
You don't clean up our district.
You represent us to the federal government.
It's our local politicians who are gonna clean up our streets.
Why are you campaigning as if you're gonna do something here?
They don't.
michael malice
Here's a complete non sequitur, but that's okay.
That Kim girl from Baltimore, did she win?
Did she do well?
ian crossland
No.
lydia smith
She did not win, no.
michael malice
Yeah, she didn't win.
ian crossland
Kim Klesik.
michael malice
Yeah, who did better, her or Laura Loomer?
tim pool
I think percentage-wise, I think Laura may have.
michael malice
Oh, so Kim got completely cleaned.
tim pool
I don't know the actual results, but I'm pretty sure they're both in very heavily Democrat districts.
Surprisingly, Laura Loomer did really well.
Yeah, okay.
But I'm not entirely surprised.
I mean, Trump was there.
Trump probably voted for her.
michael malice
He did vote for her.
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, he's not going to vote for the Democrat.
michael malice
Of course, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, but anyway, what were we talking?
Oh, yeah, the senators.
So now we have people who don't know who their state-level representatives are and how serious this is going to impact.
This could theoretically choose Trump to be the president.
And most people don't know or care who their state reps are.
michael malice
I feel... I'm of two minds here.
One is, you know, being a political wonk, political nerd.
Like, I love playing out all these scenarios.
And the other is, like, isn't this just like early 2017 all over again, when you had, what's his name, Lawrence Lessing, writing the article for Newsweek about how Hillary could still become president.
Like, these are cool things to sit around and think about, but at the end of the day, it's...
tim pool
Look man, I'll be honest, like I was saying, I've been talking about the lawsuits, I've been covering the updates, because as long as the race isn't over, I'm not gonna... Look, I'll say it a million times, I think Joe Biden is gonna be the president.
But the media is trying so hard, man.
Did you see they lied about Trump's lawsuit?
Washington Post, Politico, Daily Mail, a bunch of other outlets claimed that Trump dropped his lawsuit pertaining to 700,000 votes that were improperly counted because there was no poll watchers.
Just absolute lie.
They all write it.
And the framing was, now with Trump dropping this suit, he has no chance of overturning Pennsylvania.
The race is over.
And I was like, is this an attempt to demoralize Trump's base?
Are they desperately trying to say to the... Like, think about what we talked about with Newsmax and Barack Obama saying the internet's bad.
They are terrified of the fact there is a group of people in this country, a massive one, that doesn't believe them.
michael malice
Right.
Even when they're telling the truth.
tim pool
Yeah, oh yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
And so then they say, Trump has given up.
He's dropped his most prominent suit.
There's no way he can win.
Everyone go home.
And they said, F you.
Don't believe it.
I read it and I'm like, that's not true at all.
I pulled up the document.
michael malice
I read the paragraph.
tim pool
But they linked to them too.
Like Politico said in the latest lawsuit with a link, they're dropping this and said, now without the 700,000 votes in question, Trump has no opportunity to overturn this wide margin that Biden, you know, is leading with.
Therefore, the race is over, blah, blah, blah.
And I'm like, the lawsuit literally says we want an injunction on certification in Pennsylvania because Of all of these bouts that were improperly counted.
Why did all of these outlets lie?
michael malice
What about Bring Better Back?
tim pool
Bring- Build Back Better?
michael malice
Build Back Better, excuse me.
tim pool
Being used by all of the, uh, Davos people?
michael malice
Yeah.
Boris Johnson in Britain.
tim pool
Yep.
michael malice
That's another big one, disturbing one, yeah.
tim pool
How crazy.
You know what it kind of feels like?
ian crossland
Like I'm about to explode.
tim pool
No, it feels like all this weird conspiracy stuff was actually... Restrooms downstairs.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
It feels like it was all true, and then with Trump breaking through the barrier and becoming president, and now you have this large faction, 70, what, 73 million people now who voted for him?
I'm sure not all of them are cognizant to the political space, but now it seems like these Davos World Economic Forum types are starting to panic and they're trying to rush everything through as fast as possible because they're losing their grip on controlling the matrix.
lydia smith
All right, I'll see you in a minute.
michael malice
Roseanne Barr, of all people, she said this in 2017, that Trump broke through MKUltra programming, like CIA programming.
Now, I wouldn't put it in those terms, but it's very clear that there is often a concerted effort to manipulate the population to act in certain ways.
lydia smith
So did Trump break the Matrix?
Is that what happened here?
tim pool
Or the Matrix was breaking, allowing Trump to get through.
lydia smith
Trump seeped through.
tim pool
But why Trump?
unidentified
He's the ultimate character.
tim pool
You know, like, the thing I question about any of these conspiracies is, like, why would Trump have the power and wealth that he has?
Why would they allow people to get wealthy if they really controlled everything?
michael malice
They've never seen wealth and power.
Trump never had power until 2016.
He had no power.
tim pool
Right.
He just had—he was a TV personality.
He had property.
michael malice
Yeah, who cares?
Yeah.
Wow, I've got a hundred hotels.
tim pool
What am I— I would say this.
He definitely had power, but not to the scale that he did in 2016.
michael malice
What power do you think Trump had before 2016?
tim pool
With money?
michael malice
Yeah.
Like, literally.
What could he have done?
tim pool
With money?
michael malice
Yeah, his money wasn't liquid.
It's in real estate.
tim pool
But Trump did still have a lot of liquid assets.
michael malice
But let's suppose he had a billion dollars in a checking account, right?
A billion dollars in terms of the world power is really, I don't think, that much money.
tim pool
I actually think you don't need that much money at all to disrupt the world power.
Okay.
michael malice
I agree with you, but my point is that's a different paradigm.
Sorry to use that word.
Trump isn't a hacker.
He isn't a money monger.
tim pool
Yeah, but with the money he has, it's like, can you hire a pirate, a privateer to go disrupt the supply lines for the East India Trading Company or something?
With access to resources, you can empower a lot of people to do a lot of things.
michael malice
But he wasn't doing any of this before.
tim pool
Just because he wasn't doing it doesn't mean he couldn't.
I'm saying Trump had power.
Come on, he was a billionaire.
He is a billionaire.
Becoming president was something else.
michael malice
He wasn't at all leveraging his power in the slightest.
tim pool
I think the better way to put it is Trump gained a hundredfold to his power by your coming president.
michael malice
Of course.
tim pool
Like, come on.
A billionaire's got power.
michael malice
But what was he using that power for before 2015?
tim pool
To put his name in big golden letters on tops of buildings.
Yeah, that's... I heard he got a golden toilet.
Is that true?
michael malice
I don't... Probably.
tim pool
A golden toilet.
michael malice
Well, all toilets become golden after a time, right?
tim pool
Yeah, but not the way you want.
michael malice
You ever eat gold?
ian crossland
You guys ever eat it?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Yeah, of course.
ian crossland
It's really good.
Colloidal gold.
michael malice
It's like Goldschlager.
ian crossland
It turns your pee gold.
tim pool
This is funny.
I went to an anti-Donald Trump protest in, like, 2017.
I was with, like, Cassandra Fairbanks and Luke Rutkowski.
Yeah.
And then after we finished covering it, we went to Trump Tower and I know we
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
don't go to Trump Tower.
I went to Billionaire's Row and I literally had tiramisu with gold on it.
Yeah. And you know, Cassandra made a funny joke.
She was like, we were literally just at like this protest saying we're the
nine percent. Eat the rich, you know, orange man.
Trump is bad. And now you're sitting here eating gold.
Yeah. And I was like, that's right.
michael malice
It's actually not expensive.
tim pool
No, I know, it wasn't.
It's super cheap.
ian crossland
30 bucks a bottle.
But the story is that it used to be in the ground.
tim pool
They sprinkle flakes on the food to make it fancy.
ian crossland
Yeah, you could get it like floating in water in colloidal form.
But it used to be in the ground, so you'd get it in your plants as a trace mineral, like iron.
But now that it's mined out, you gotta get it elsewhere.
And it's a superconductor.
Apparently it'll coat the neurons in your brain and help you think like a superconductor.
tim pool
Is that Trump's secret?
He eats gold?
ian crossland
Definitely.
And it also, when you stretch, when it feels like you're about to rip your muscle, the gold will seep in and you can keep stretching.
tim pool
I don't know about all that.
ian crossland
That's anecdotal.
michael malice
Michael's like, that's not right.
Join us.
That's not right.
lydia smith
Stretch with me.
That doesn't sound quite right.
ian crossland
Do you guys feel like you're about to freaking explode?
tim pool
Yeah.
Not really.
michael malice
Are you trying to set up a punchline?
ian crossland
I think, no.
michael malice
No.
tim pool
It comes out the tip.
ian crossland
You get it out every day, I think.
Just with the videos.
lydia smith
He gets lots of words out.
ian crossland
Tip Lul.
What's your main expulsion method these days?
I guess you're preparing a book.
michael malice
That's not my expulsion.
ian crossland
How do you get your rage out?
michael malice
Oh, I'm a Soviet.
We don't have rage.
We got nothing.
It's like the scene in Saw.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
They take wafers and they pour caramelized milk and they layer it.
That's what you guys do, right?
What?
michael malice
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The rage?
tim pool
The famous, the famous, uh, wafer cakes because there was no food in the Soviet Union.
michael malice
What's that have to do with getting at your rage?
tim pool
You get to, it's, it's your dessert.
It's like what you do when you're like, you know, you want to eat dessert.
michael malice
I'm sorry, English is my second language.
I feel like I'm not understanding this conversation at all.
tim pool
He's talking about rage and I'm talking about having a calming glass of tea with the famous Soviet wafer cake.
michael malice
How would that get your rage out?
It would calm you down.
No, the point is the rage doesn't, he wants the rage out, not rage suppressed.
tim pool
Does everybody have rage like that?
ian crossland
Probably not.
tim pool
I don't.
ian crossland
I just got this.
michael malice
Russians don't have rage.
ian crossland
You've basically figured out another way to deal with the craziness.
michael malice
Well, I revel in it and this is where I get my power.
I mean, I don't think anyone had more fun in 2020 than me.
And I think during the riots, people were like, Michael, like a lot of my friends on Twitter, like no one is having the more time of their life than Malice.
And it was factual and truthful.
tim pool
It's like, it's almost like you got a bunch of cats and you're playing with a laser pointer, you know, and you're just like spinning around and they're all going crazy and running around like hundreds of thousands of cats, you know?
michael malice
Yeah.
lydia smith
Basically, yeah.
tim pool
I don't get that kind of rage.
That's all I'm saying.
A bunch of Trump supporters got mad because I said I would laugh if Biden won, and they're like, this is the end of the West, and children will die, and Tim Poole's laughing, and I'm like, oh yeah.
michael malice
I've said many times, if you think America is one election away from being destroyed, you can't call yourself a patriot.
Because then we are a very, very weak country.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's kind of...
It's like it's always, it's always this one's the one.
michael malice
Yeah.
lydia smith
Come on.
tim pool
Hold on though.
This one's way different.
Come on.
2016 was way different.
You know it.
michael malice
But I'm saying if Hillary won, it wouldn't have destroyed America.
tim pool
But no, it would have been the status quo.
It would have carried on as it was.
You know, it would have destroyed Syria and probably a bunch of other Middle Eastern countries, which, you know, destroy a lot of countries.
Just not ours.
michael malice
Just not ours.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
So like if Biden gets elected, we just watch him like a hawk.
And if he does do some invasion, nothing, we call it out like a psychopath.
tim pool
I'm sorry, dude.
I'm just not confident.
I've, I lived through, you know, we all did Obama.
Obama was like, I'm going to blow up some kids.
ian crossland
But everyone was like, he didn't go into Syria after that backlash.
Like the 23rd.
michael malice
Obama had the red line.
He goes, he crossed this line.
And they're like, yeah, we're going to do it.
He's like, okay, cool.
Bye.
Listen to my podcast.
Yeah.
I think what is one of the great moments of this year is I have a lot of friends, Dave Smith, who's a very failed podcaster.
He's one of them.
I was just talking about this.
Failed?
Very failed podcast and very failed comedian as well.
Going back to 2008, when you had the debate on the Republican Party between Ron Paul and Rudy Giuliani, America's mayor, and Ron Paul made the point, he goes, look, 9-11, things like this are going to happen because if we go to other countries and keep bombing them, we're going to have repercussions.
And Rudy Giuliani's like, oh my god, that's so offensive, I want you to apologize.
Ron Paul's like, I ain't sorry, you don't bite me.
And I think increasingly that position has become normalized in the Republican Party in the sense of, why am I sending my kids to countries I can't find a map to come home in coffins for the sake of politicians?
Like, this doesn't make sense to me.
And I think—Ron Paul had the biggest support of any politician of the military in the Republican primaries in 2008 and 2012, I believe.
And I think that is something that's very, very healthy.
And I think if you do want to launch a war, like a large-scale war, you do need that bipartisanship.
And I think, thankfully, I think there's—it's hopefully, not thank—hopefully.
I pray with every fiber of my being that there's enough of an element of that in the Republican and or Democratic Party that they can't do it.
tim pool
I think it's gonna be war, war, war.
Start counting the days.
ian crossland
We gotta give the power back to Congress to declare the wars.
michael malice
I mean, they love it.
Right, right, right.
tim pool
So Obama didn't unilaterally be like... It wasn't Obama who stood up and said, please give me the power to indefinitely detain anyone at any point for any reason, and then use the National Defense Authorization Act as an excuse.
No, Congress did it.
They were like, hey Obama, here's the power.
Have fun.
And he was like, oh, I'll sign this.
ian crossland
What happened?
Did they get brainwashed after 9-11?
No, they're all in on it.
tim pool
What do you mean?
They're all super wealthy, and they love it.
lydia smith
When Trump is trying to pull people out of the Middle East, what is Congress saying?
You can't do that, Trump.
You shouldn't do that.
You should probably think twice about that.
michael malice
Let's talk about that, how disturbing something is.
Please fact check me if I got this wrong, because I only saw the headlines, and that's enough for me to flap my mouth at a show.
Do you not see anything disturbing that the military is acting independently of the president?
to the commander-in-chief about how many troops are in Syria so he can't pull them out and
then all these corporate journalists were laughing at Trump and I'm like do you not
see anything disturbing that the military is acting independently of the president?
tim pool
Of the civilian leadership.
michael malice
Like you're worried about Trump being an authoritarian and you're having the military making decisions
on its own and lying to the president?
This is not an issue for you?
tim pool
How fascistic of Trump to try and bring our soldiers out of other countries.
lydia smith
How dare he?
tim pool
That's fascism.
ian crossland
The guy's name was James Jeffrey.
He was State Department Special Representative for Syria and Engagement Special Envoy to the Global Coalition to Defeat ISIS.
michael malice
I want to believe that I misunderstood the story.
ian crossland
No, you didn't.
He's the guy that admitted the subterfuge.
lydia smith
So he didn't necessarily do it.
tim pool
It's true.
It's insane.
And a ton of Trump supporters said, coup confirmed.
Yeah.
When Pentagon officials are lying about what our military is doing so that the President of the United States duly elected and says, I want our troops out the will of the people.
And they say, you got it.
We got them.
Don't worry.
Psych.
It's crazy, right?
I've never been more infuriated.
michael malice
I'm beyond angry.
tim pool
I'm furious.
I'm firmly in control of myself, but when I was sitting there, I was sitting in my office recording, and I saw this tweet, and I was just sitting there for like 10 minutes fuming.
I've never felt that way before.
michael malice
I don't know what's more disturbing, that they did it, or that the corporate media thinks this is something to laugh about.
ian crossland
Probably that they did it, but very close.
tim pool
The journalist who tweeted it with the laughing crying emojis said it was tragicomedy, and that's what she meant.
Not to make light of the situation, but to laugh at how Trump was duped or whatever.
And I'm like, that's still really bad.
lydia smith
Are you insane?
tim pool
The president was elected on, I'm going to end these wars.
In fact, Obama said the same thing.
And then what did he do?
He upped them.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
So Donald Trump has been trying to get out of these, you know, quagmires, they call them in the Middle East.
And they just lie to make sure it keeps going.
And the Democrats and Republicans alike blocked him in Congress to make sure he couldn't do it.
I was reading an article that said this is highly unusual.
Usually Congress is constraining the president's actions in terms of expanding our military presence.
This time, they're trying to make sure The military president stays where it is.
This is truly one of the most horrifying stories.
ian crossland
You gotta have a military that will keep the president in check, I agree.
If the president wants to go crazy, the military can override him and say, no dude, but he wasn't going crazy.
tim pool
Why are we in Syria?
ian crossland
They must think that by withdrawing troops it would be a danger.
Obviously, it's the resources.
tim pool
It's because we want to run a natural gas pipeline into Europe to offset Russia's monopoly on gas.
And so it all feeds into the whole narrative of Russia, why Hillary Clinton lost, and how
Russia was helping Trump, and that Trump is secretly working for Russia.
No, I don't believe any of that's true.
What I do think, they're angry because the Qatar-Turkey pipeline, this is just one element
of the conflict.
We wanted to run that from Qatar through Syria, through Turkey, into Europe.
And then Syria said, no, because we're allied with Russia.
So then in 2009, it was reported in The Guardian, the US had been planning, you know, boots on the ground action in Syria, because we're like, how dare you?
And we've got to do this.
And so when Trump says, I don't want war, I don't want to be in Syria, let's get out, they block him and then say, see, he's helping Russia.
They've been saying it the whole time.
So finally, when he fired those 59 Tomahawk missiles into Syria, they say, now he's acting like a president.
michael malice
I, you know, that was the day that we were taping the last episode of Fox News' Red Eye, and I had this whole bit, because I came in dressed as Clark Kent, and during commercial breaks I was taking off a piece of clothing so that by the end I'd look like Superman, and we never aired that episode because he decided to bomb Syria, and I was as disturbed I was the episode didn't air.
It was even more disturbing that they got Trump to turn, and I thought this was going to be the beginning of more escalation in the Middle East, and thank the Lord it was not.
tim pool
If Trump did escalate in the Middle East, he'd have been re-elected easily.
michael malice
That's a good point.
They wouldn't be going after him this hard.
tim pool
No, they'd be patting him on the back.
They'd be like, thank you for coming around to our way of thinking.
michael malice
I want to point out to all the cool kids and cats out there and listening that not one of these hacks who invoked the Holocaust To say that if we don't go into Syria, the Kurds are going to be a genocide, and the blood is on your hands, and as Americans, it's our responsibility that millions of people are going to be slaughtered in their beds.
That didn't happen.
Not one of the people who called for this, for your kids, your cousins, your children, your parents, to be murdered overseas, has had any consequences for what they tried to do.
tim pool
Yeah.
And then you see what happened with Christiane Amanpour recently?
michael malice
No, what?
tim pool
When she compared Trump's past four years to Kristallnacht.
lydia smith
Israel called her out.
michael malice
Good.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
She goes on and she says, she was like, Chris, then what are you, she did this bit and she was like, the Nazis were firing a warning shot across the bow, targeting, you know, intellect and, you know, freedom.
Now as Trump has staged four years of his own assault, like just totally non sequitur, like what?
Joe Biden seeks to return to normal!
ian crossland
Disassociated from the pain and violence of that night.
tim pool
No, I think it's desperation.
I think the cathedral has become desperate.
michael malice
I think it's desperation.
I think we forget that being blue-pilled, by definition, turns off your imagination.
Right.
The whole point of being blue-pilled is that you don't think critically, you don't look
outside of what's being presented to you.
So everything in them, in their minds, is a function of Trump isn't Hitler, and you
just use that as if Hitler is the only dictator who ever lived.
Right.
lydia smith
Right.
ian crossland
You know what I mean?
michael malice
Or even the worst.
ian crossland
By the way, check out Mussolini.
I love that we talk about Mussolini because you gotta watch video.
I advise anyone that's ever can get on YouTube to watch clips of Mussolini.
Have you ever seen his eyes?
unidentified
Look at how psychotic, like just insane the guy looks.
michael malice
I have a Mussolini action figure.
Kind of.
It's like a 3D sculpture.
If you look this up, maybe you can look up Lydia, there's a thing that's his face over like one of the plazas in Italy and it just says CCC yes yes yes and it's supposed to be like vote yes for Mussolini and it's the creepiest thing you're ever gonna see and you're looking at you're like wait a minute this was supposed to get people to like like you because you look at it and you're like this is just straight out of sci-fi.
tim pool
You know there's a statue of Lenin in Seattle?
michael malice
There's also one in New York, in a apartment building.
I think they took it down, Red Square, yeah.
tim pool
But it's this massive statue just in Seattle.
It's so weird.
I always wonder about that.
I'm like, isn't this guy not a good dude?
michael malice
He is not a good dude.
I talk about him in the next book also.
tim pool
But what did Lenin do?
Didn't they preserve his body or something?
michael malice
Yeah, his body is on display in Red Square.
You can still see it, but his torso is separated from his lower parts.
tim pool
Oh, that's weird.
ian crossland
I think he got poisoned.
Do you think that Stalin poisoned him?
michael malice
No, I think they did the research and they actually did the test and he did not.
ian crossland
Who did the test though?
Stalin's government?
michael malice
No, I mean in the 90s or much later.
ian crossland
Yeah, he died abruptly after taking power.
michael malice
No, it wasn't abruptly.
He died in 1922 or 1924?
ian crossland
A few years, like three or four years.
Well, relatively, because he was still kind of young, I think.
michael malice
Yeah, he was kind of young.
No, but it wasn't that way at all.
It wasn't a given that Stalin was going to take over.
There was this whole intermediate period and Stalin had this big power struggle.
It wasn't like Stalin was like John Adams.
ian crossland
With Trotsky?
michael malice
Trotsky was, yeah, Trotsky was part of it.
Of course, yeah.
ian crossland
Dude.
Okay, hey, what's your first book about?
What's it called?
michael malice
I've got a few.
What do you mean?
The New Right?
tim pool
The New Right.
michael malice
Dear Reader?
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Dear Reader?
michael malice
Yeah, that's the North Korea book.
tim pool
Oh yeah, but the new right.
michael malice
Yeah.
Yeah, it was just the new right.
It's just the journey through the fringe of American politics.
So it's basically about this whole window of the last, like, leading up to 2015, 2016, and the right wing that you don't talk about in corporate media.
tim pool
So like this?
michael malice
Yeah, exactly this.
tim pool
Isn't it weird though?
michael malice
What?
tim pool
Like, what does it mean to be right wing these days?
michael malice
To regard not all human beings as being as good as others.
Really?
Hold on, watch this.
Ready?
Do you think some people are better than others?
tim pool
Yes.
michael malice
Hold on.
Someone on the right says yes, someone on the left will give a speech.
That's the litmus test.
tim pool
To be fair, I think you can dig into the nuance of it.
Do I think people are deserving of equal rights?
100%.
Do I think that some people are taller and some people are shorter?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Does that mean some people are better at basketball than others?
Absolutely.
michael malice
I'm better than a child molester.
It's not even a question.
Period.
And there's lots of people better than me.
Many, many, many, many.
unidentified
The point is if you ask... Many, many, many people.
michael malice
I'm not saying it.
Others do.
Every day I get phone calls.
Never got so many phone calls.
Oh, what is going on?
I don't know.
I don't know what to tell them.
It's outrageous.
I'm just saying it's predictive.
Anyone listening to this, go ask your friends and you will see that they will either say yes or give you a speech.
unidentified
Really?
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure I've got some lefty friends that would say yes.
lydia smith
Try it.
tim pool
It's not right.
Not right.
For sure.
michael malice
Yeah, you're saying for sure, but you don't know that.
tim pool
I couldn't say yes.
I can think of like two or three of my friends I guarantee would be like, yes.
michael malice
They're on the right.
tim pool
And they voted for Biden.
michael malice
You could vote for Biden and be on the right.
ian crossland
I was going to give a speech because I would have been like, well... Are you kidding?
michael malice
Wait, are you starting with this reverse engineering that, like, Democratic was left, Republican equals right?
tim pool
No.
I'm just trying to figure out if you, like, are you just creating your own what is left and what is right then?
unidentified
No.
michael malice
Because, like, if they were, historically speaking, and across time and different countries, left and right means equality versus hierarchy.
That's one of the metrics to distinguish them.
tim pool
There's also the economic and cultural spectrums.
michael malice
Yeah, those are harder to port out because Woodrow Wilson, by that metric, is extremely right-wing, right?
Because he's hardly very socially conservative.
ian crossland
Yeah, super authoritarian.
tim pool
But it's not an issue of, when we're talking about the cultural spectrum of left and right, we're not talking about where things were.
We're talking about where they are.
So the left is the revolution and the right is the status quo.
michael malice
Sure.
tim pool
No, that's how the left defines it.
They're the revolution and the left is the left side of the French Revolution.
michael malice
That's not a coherent definition.
So that's how they would like to view themselves.
But if you look at this, is Pinochet then on the left?
Is Emma Goldman?
It doesn't pour out.
ian crossland
Who's Emma Goldman?
unidentified
What?
michael malice
Really?
ian crossland
Do tell.
michael malice
Emma Goldman, oh my god, I love her.
Emma Goldman, who everyone should be learning more about.
She was an early anarchist figure.
She was a hardcore left anarchist.
Everyone on Twitter who has this, they all say, I had this, I just had this realization.
Left means hardcore economic control.
And right means freedom, so Hitler and Stalin are on the left.
I just thought of this.
Everyone thinks they thought of this.
You're not the only one who thought of this.
And then you ask about Emma Goldman and the early Ancoms, the anarchist communists.
They're like, who's Emma Goldman?
It's like, maybe you should know about different schools of thought before you start categorizing and putting on taxonomy.
So she was one of the early anarchists.
She was involved with the McKinley assassination.
She was involved trying to kill Frick, who was Andrew Carnegie's man running the plants in Pittsburgh.
Her boyfriend at the time shot him, went to jail for this, Alexander Berkman.
And she was deported by Woodrow Wilson, J. Edgar Hoover, young J. Edgar Hoover.
This is when the ACLU, the predecessor of the ACLU, was invented because communism and all these kinds of speech were illegal.
And they sent her to Russia, hardcore lefty, Hardcore lover of violence and revolution.
She met with Lenin and she came back and she wrote a book called My Disillusionment in Russia.
And when she was giving talks in England, she got a standing ovation.
And when she was finished, you could hear a pin drop because they were not interested in hearing that what was going on in the Soviet Union was oppressive.
This was a great experiment.
We were going forward.
We were going to have equality.
And she goes, this is worse than anything the czar ever imagined.
They're like, shut up.
You know you're talking about your reactionary.
An amazing, amazing figure.
And she really needs to do my part to kind of bring her back to public consciousness.
But in many ways, she's the godmother of Antifa.
tim pool
I don't think that left and right really means anything today.
michael malice
That's inaccurate.
tim pool
But I mean, what I mean by that is that when the left says left and right wing, there's no definition to what they're saying.
michael malice
Right.
Because they use language differently.
They use language to manipulate and control.
Just like racist means someone who is not on the left.
tim pool
But there's also people who are on the right as you define it who can't define what left and right is either and would use it improperly.
michael malice
But that's just because people use language incorrectly or improperly doesn't mean that that language can't be used incorrectly or improperly.
tim pool
I disagree.
Language is the vehicle by which we transmit ideas and if there's no... No, that's other use.
michael malice
Language is also used to manipulate control.
tim pool
Sure, sure, sure.
michael malice
At the signal in groups.
tim pool
I think that still falls within my definition, you know, to transmit ideas.
And those ideas can be used to manipulate people and restricting and controlling what information they get.
michael malice
But that's the opposite of transmitting information.
That's limiting information.
tim pool
Well no, like, saying nothing to someone won't give you control over them necessarily.
You need to give them specific information.
You need to transmit them a certain idea, Trump is a fascist, but then make sure that's the only information they get.
michael malice
I don't think when they're saying Trump is a fascist, they're using that in the same way you and I use language.
I think when they're saying Trump is a fascist, they mean he's out-group or in-group.
tim pool
Perhaps.
michael malice
You think they can define the word fascist in that context?
tim pool
Many of them can, yes.
michael malice
Many?
But I think most of them can't.
tim pool
So the way I feel like the left functions is that they have their priests in the cathedral who understand and know what
they're doing.
michael malice
Someone should write a book about this, don't you think?
tim pool
Is that what you do?
michael malice
Yes, yes, that's the new right.
tim pool
So you write about how they're cognizant priests?
michael malice
Yes.
Okay, so they're literal televangelists.
Rachel Maddow, John Oliver, John Stewart back in the day, they're literally giving sermons of the morals of the weak.
And then the congregants go on social media and spread the gospel.
This is not an allegory.
This is literally the case.
It is a degeneration of the social gospel, which has been going on for over a hundred years, and it's Christianity, a form of Christianity, without the mythology.
tim pool
But of Christianity or just more like a theistic religion?
Is it specifically Christianity?
michael malice
It's a degeneration of Christianity.
So they took the Christian ethics, the social gospel, which is a very American-specific variant.
They got rid of all the Christ stuff.
But they kept the ideology, because what happened was, over a hundred years ago, the idea was, instead of a person having an individual soul, which is historically regarded as one of the great contributions of Christianity, you can redeem a nation.
So a nation has a soul that has to be saved.
Well, if I'm going to save the soul of a nation, that means there's no aspect of it that is outside my purview and control.
I have to be in every boardroom, I have to be in every bedroom, I have to be in every house, because I have to root out sin.
And that's exactly how they operate.
Video games, sci-fi movies, the boardroom, who you date, everything falls under the edicts of this church.
ian crossland
There's such a bastardization of Christianity because Jesus wanted to empower the self and then the church came along and tried to make it about control of other places and things.
michael malice
So let me drop another bomb on you guys.
Conservatives are supposed to study history and apply its lessons to real life and they never do it.
So what would Jesus do is written by an explicit Christian socialist in the 1870s.
It was from a book called In His Steps and this book also advocated no platforming.
Because the premise of this book is, he was a publisher, the character, it's a novel, and he's like, I'm going to live my life like Jesus would.
What would Jesus do?
And he goes, well, if Jesus was writing this newspaper, he wouldn't be taking advertisements about or writing news articles about boxing.
So we're not going to, we're going to pretend boxing, because it's barbaric, doesn't exist.
And it's a direct line from that.
But, you know, you mentioned Jon Stewart.
individuals and ideas and when christians use that expression they
don't realize it comes from this concept of uh... christian socialism but you
tim pool
know you mentioned john stewart how is it that fifteen years ago the left was in favor of free speech
uh... when i read on the individual literature Sure.
michael malice
So when I'm stronger than you, I ask for freedom because that is according to my principles.
When you're weaker than me, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.
tim pool
So you think that, well, when... Republicans are the same way.
michael malice
They're only for free speech when they're in the outgroup.
tim pool
Yeah, like so when Trump says, if you burn the flag, you go to prison.
And then you can see who actually has principles when the politically homeless, moderates, and some conservatives are like, that's dumb.
You can't do that.
You can't have it both ways.
Yep.
So at what point do the Democrats then start advocating for free speech again?
Once Biden's in the presidency and they control everything, they're saying, now we should have speech?
michael malice
No, I think when you have Democrats starting to feel pain and getting marginalized, then they're going to start complaining about free speech.
tim pool
Oh, that's true.
That's what happened.
The Harper's letter, when all these lefty writers started getting silenced.
And they're all of a sudden like, wait, We need free speech back!
michael malice
Yes.
unidentified
Where were you a year or two ago?
michael malice
Right.
ian crossland
I was thinking earlier that left and right don't mean anything, like earlier today, but I think it's less that it doesn't mean anything, because it has some meaning, but that it's relative to something.
michael malice
Yeah.
ian crossland
And the thing that it's relative to keeps changing.
michael malice
Here's another definition.
It's your approach to the outsider.
Leftism at its best is people who are marginalized or forgotten The leftist will point to that person and be like, hey, don't forget about this person.
They're important, they value.
And a lot of times that is useful because that person will fall between the cracks and be treated as garbage and there is something to be saved from that.
It also can be dangerous when it's the Trojan horse and you're like, open the gates, let's let the outsider in.
So both left and right, there's the dark side to it and the positive side to it.
There's a great book by Hubert Selby called Last Exit to Brooklyn.
It was heavily censored and it was basically about drug addicts and there's a gang rape scene.
It's a very dark book from 1958, 1960.
But before that, people who were drug addicts were invisible.
You don't talk about it.
And now, every celebrity can go on TV or you can have the president's son.
Just talk about it openly and they're valorized for it.
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice
This is a huge change and that's a thanks to the left or because of the fault of the left.
Everyone look at it.
tim pool
Let's do Super Chats!
If you haven't already, smash the like button.
unidentified
Do it.
tim pool
Because, um, you should.
It helps the channel.
It really does.
michael malice
And I gotta give a shoutout to Adrienne.
tim pool
Who's Adrienne?
michael malice
She just watches the show.
tim pool
Oh, hey, Adrienne.
ian crossland
I wanna give a shoutout to Alex Jones.
This is the crumbled thing.
tim pool
Is it?
ian crossland
It was just on the floor, and I'm keeping it forever, Alex.
I love you.
tim pool
It's his failed attempt at a tinfoil hat.
michael malice
Very failed.
ian crossland
I'm a champion your movement, brother.
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
I'm gonna keep it live.
tim pool
But no, just to reiterate, the plan was to get Michael and Alex back on the show because YouTube took on the podcast and said that there was a rule violation and I said, okay, well then we'll do another show and we won't violate the rules this time, huh?
michael malice
And Alex said he wouldn't do another show with me because I keep it too real.
tim pool
He was like, he was like, I gotta tell you, man, these Michael guys are just too honest.
unidentified
These Ls.
michael malice
Plus his L crap.
tim pool
Couldn't do it.
No, but he was busy because he, look, he runs his own company.
Dr. Menace.
I gotta just say, before we go to Super Chats, isn't it weird that There was no complaints?
How many articles were written complaining about Joe Rogan and Alex Jones?
unidentified
None.
ian crossland
They should put the thing back up.
It didn't violate... I mean, I guess you joke about firing squads.
tim pool
That's technically weird.
I'm talking about the media reporting on Joe Rogan's show, calling for his cancellation, and the fact that they ignored that we had a show with 157,000 concurrent views and nearly over 2 million viewers.
lydia smith
Joe Rogan is catnip, and I see this every time we make a video about Joe Rogan.
People want to hear about Joe Rogan.
tim pool
So weird.
lydia smith
Tim Pool's on the down low.
tim pool
Yeah, nobody cares.
It's really funny when there are people who complain.
They're like, how come he's flying under the radar?
No one ever writes about him.
michael malice
I don't know.
tim pool
Maybe because I'm really boring, I guess.
Talk about stuff, but my opinions aren't strong enough one way or the other to be shocked or outraged, you know what I mean?
lydia smith
But Joe Rogan is like super kind of center of the road, too.
He's kind of milquetoast, too.
michael malice
I think Joe is more interested in letting people talk.
lydia smith
Exactly.
michael malice
And Ruben's like this also, than necessarily presenting his opinion.
ian crossland
Which is a choice, dude.
They don't want your focus on them.
unidentified
If someone messes with you, that's bad.
ian crossland
Yeah, you don't want to mess with righteousness.
tim pool
Subscribe, hit the like button, and we do the show Monday through Friday live at 8 p.m., but let's read some superchats.
Les Ormez says, if Trump does end up losing, he should buy CNN and fire everyone.
Keep up the good work, guys.
No, he shouldn't fire.
michael malice
Do you mean fire or set them on fire?
lydia smith
No.
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
Brian Stelter.
buy CNN and then just give an editorial edict that the company is now all Trump all the
time.
Oh yeah.
lydia smith
But good news about Trump.
tim pool
Brian Stelter.
And so you're literally have Brian Stelter being like, today, major breaking news, Donald
Trump saved a puppy from a speeding vehicle down Fifth Avenue.
He dove into the street, grabbed the puppy, rolled out of harm's way, saving the puppy
and a small child actually at the same time.
They would all quit.
They'd be like, I'm not reporting this fake, you know.
michael malice
Well, you can't blame them, in all seriousness.
tim pool
How amazing would that be?
You know, I always thought about this.
How come rich people don't do more fun stuff?
Like they buy a yacht, that's so dumb!
unidentified
A yacht.
tim pool
What are you gonna do?
Sit on your boat.
unidentified
I don't know, I think sacrificing children to the devil's kind of funny.
michael malice
They do that a lot, apparently.
tim pool
Why don't they just do, like, Elon Musk, I get.
unidentified
He's like, I'm going to build a rocket ship and go to Mars.
tim pool
I'm going to put satellites in outer space and give everyone internet.
I'm like, okay, well that's fine.
But it's not even as crazy.
michael malice
Your idea of fun is scrapeboarding.
You want Donald Trump to invent a scrapeboard?
tim pool
My idea of, I'm not talking about fun, I'm talking about abnormal.
You know what I mean?
Like, where's the rich guy who's building an Iron Man suit?
Or at least trying?
There is that one guy who built the jet suit, you know what I'm talking about?
And now the military, the rescue operations are trying, that's cool.
Where's the dude who like, I don't know, just buys up every billboard in LA for no reason and puts something dumb on it for no reason?
Just like, wastes time and troll people.
Where's a rich person who does what you do, but has billions of dollars to waste and just go nuts with it?
michael malice
They should go to michaelmalice.com slash contribute.
tim pool
What would you do if you had endless resources?
What would be the ultimate weird thing to do if you had money?
michael malice
I promise you it's coming.
lydia smith
It's on the way.
tim pool
Just like buying up every billboard down a highway and just putting random stuff on it makes no sense just to like screw with people.
michael malice
What if someone just bought JohnOBrennan.com after the failed CIA former leader and redirected it to a Trump site?
tim pool
Is that what you did?
michael malice
Someone did.
tim pool
Someone did, right.
ian crossland
I want to do orbital, orbitable, orbitable?
Why do I keep, orbitable?
I want to do like orbital, um, music videos and skateboarding.
Like just get some low orbit airplanes.
michael malice
This is what you want to do.
You want to go in a deep sea submersible and see the bottom of the ocean and see all the God's mistakes down there.
tim pool
God's mistakes.
unidentified
God was making all these fish and he screwed them up and he's like, all right, I don't want to look at this anymore.
michael malice
No one's going to see this.
Bottom of the ocean you go.
tim pool
You know the blob fish?
michael malice
Of course.
It doesn't look, it doesn't look gross underwater.
tim pool
It's because they depressurize it and it explodes.
I understand.
ian crossland
There's ancient civilizations under there.
lydia smith
There you go, you gotta find it.
Come on, Ian.
ian crossland
Especially on the shelf.
lydia smith
Yeah, you gotta go under.
ian crossland
The continental shelf.
tim pool
Caucasian persuasion says graphics interchange format.
Nuff said.
The dude who made it named it that on purpose to call it a gif.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
Could you like, okay, so your name is Mitchell.
You're Mitchell Malice from now on.
Mitchell Malice.
michael malice
Tim Pool is a dim fool.
ian crossland
If it was graphic interface, it would be GIF.
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
Graphic is a soft G. The dude who made it said GIF.
lydia smith
I don't care what he said.
michael malice
What's his name?
ian crossland
Richard Stallman did Gnu.
tim pool
The guy who invented it?
michael malice
Yeah.
unidentified
I don't know the name.
michael malice
Exactly.
tim pool
Reading an article where he like he did an interview Once and for all oh now you believe CNN Mitchell
VW bear says I love the Tim Maliche combo. Keep up the good work guys. Yeah
Glenn says 18 T's sell CNN Trump by CNN, but um, yeah, do I so support that?
George Mountain says hey Tim new fan Your principled stance on dialogue and free speech are an inspiration in these rocky times.
I look forward immensely to your podcast with Graper General Nick Fuentes.
Stay safe, King.
lydia smith
That's a very dignified super chat.
tim pool
And it is very dignified.
See, that was someone who wants Nick on the show, who is trying to go the positive route.
We are absolutely looking at a lot of different people.
I'll put it very simply.
I don't want to make it like we were pressured into having someone on the show for the sake of having them on the show.
Like, we want to have people on the show when it matters, and there's some people I'm talking to... Probably... Sometimes when they don't.
Yeah, I was like, oh no, Michael's coming back.
No, no, Michael's always welcome.
No, but there's some people that have been banned permanently across the board we're thinking about having on.
Because there's important interviews that need to be happening around censorship and politics in this country.
And this includes Nick.
Interestingly, so we've got to do research.
We've got to find the right time and moment for him and for other people.
But dude, I'm down to have... We were going to try to have Alex Jones on again, you know, after they pulled the show in the first place.
I'm totally down to have people on and have these conversations.
V. Ola says, let's play some Magic the Gathering.
I have, like, a $40,000 collection.
Legacy, Vintage, EDH, Modern.
We can jam games in a bunker during the Civil War.
lydia smith
Oh, man.
tim pool
Vintage?
lydia smith
Sounds like fun.
tim pool
Legacy.
ian crossland
I had, like, 26 Vintage decks until I moved here, and then everyone was like, nah, we just play Commander, man.
So I ripped them all apart.
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
Just commit, yeah, like 20.
Oh, they were all vintage.
Probably a soul ring in every deck.
You know, it was like kind of the carbon, you'd see the same cards.
michael malice
What the hell are you talking about?
ian crossland
The best card game of all time.
tim pool
The most popular, the most popular physical card game, I guess.
michael malice
I know what magic is, but I mean.
ian crossland
It's so fun.
You have black, white, red, blue, and green magic.
And they all kind of correlate to a way of being.
michael malice
Okay.
ian crossland
You know.
tim pool
Not Curtis says, Tim, Michael, how would you define or describe Marxism and its tenets?
Um, I wouldn't.
Michael probably could though.
michael malice
Uh, Marxism, well, that's interesting because Marx said he's not a Marxist.
tim pool
Really?
michael malice
Yeah.
unidentified
What?
michael malice
Uh, he was, cause, cause Marxism developed as a result of his philosophy, but then it kind of went to other ways and he was asked about it, he goes, but I'm not a Marxist.
So I don't know that off the top of my head, I would have a good, uh, definition.
I would probably have like four bullet points.
unidentified
Uh.
tim pool
Racist?
michael malice
No.
tim pool
Wasn't he, wasn't he racist?
michael malice
I don't think that's essential to Marxism.
Oh.
Um, but, uh, off the top of my head, I don't have a good one.
ian crossland
It's kind of like Jesus wasn't a Christian.
Like they took and they made Christianity based on it.
Yeah, he was Jewish.
michael malice
Do we want to have a huge spurg out right now?
Yeah!
tim pool
No, no, no.
What do you mean?
michael malice
Is water wet?
ian crossland
Depends on if you're in it or not in it.
unidentified
Yes, it is.
michael malice
It's not wet.
What do you mean it's not?
Water is water.
Wet means the condition of having water as part of you.
tim pool
Wet does?
michael malice
Yes.
This is like the internet that goes, is water wet?
And the answer is no.
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
Water produces wetness.
michael malice
Yes.
lydia smith
My brain is spurting out.
Is dirt dirty?
ian crossland
No.
unidentified
No.
michael malice
I don't think dirty and wet are parallel words.
lydia smith
I think they're really similar.
michael malice
Because you don't have to have dirt to be dirty.
unidentified
Yeah.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
lydia smith
That's true.
tim pool
It could be grime or it could be... Dirty.
michael malice
Chips.
Or juice.
lydia smith
Yeah.
michael malice
My shirt's all dirty.
ian crossland
Is juice juicy?
tim pool
I don't know.
michael malice
I think... Yeah, juice isn't juicy.
I don't think dirty... A juicy apple's not... No, no, no.
Thank you.
tim pool
I don't think dirty references liquid.
I think references granular solids.
So like if you had Cheetos all over you'd be dirty.
michael malice
If I spilled a coke on my shirt.
ian crossland
You'd be cokey.
michael malice
And the shirt would be dirty.
If it dried up.
tim pool
It doesn't feel right though, you know what I mean?
michael malice
No, but if I gotta wash my dirty clothes, they're not covered in dirt.
Yeah, that's true.
tim pool
You could take a dump in your underwear and call it dirty, you know what I mean?
unidentified
If you go to sheathunderwear.com And use promo code MALICE20.
michael malice
You get 20% off your order.
unidentified
Here's my sheath underwear.
michael malice
It's so great.
It's comfortable and it has two pouches for both parts of your anatomy.
So if you're a guy, it's like you're holding your junk while you're wearing it.
Sheathunderwear.com promo code MALICE.
I wear it every day, you get my pants.
ian crossland
You're wearing it now?
unidentified
I am.
tim pool
This guy is literally sponsored by an underwear company.
He just jammed in his promo for his underwear.
unidentified
I love it.
tim pool
Here we go.
Here we go.
Dylan Keller says, Michael, would you please elaborate on the clockwork elves and where they exist?
I want to know about the relationship between their plane and ours.
If Tim won't let you, could you please point me to some other reading or viewing material?
unidentified
I refuse to allow you to unveil the secrets of the elves.
michael malice
This is the pool house.
unidentified
That's right.
michael malice
How much did he pay for the super chat?
tim pool
50 bucks.
unidentified
Oh, snap.
michael malice
OK, so one of the things that I hate, I'm being dead serious, and this is going to sound ironic coming from me, is when people run their mouths when they don't know what they're talking about.
So I have very, very limited information on this subject.
I can't point you into a good direction.
However, this is something I'm going to be learning a lot more about.
And when I am allowed, I will be talking about this at length.
That's gonna be at least two books from now.
tim pool
You were saying before that sometimes they're surprised you can see them?
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
That's crazy.
michael malice
Great stuff, Tim.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's crazy.
michael malice
I don't know.
That's why I was asking Alex because I thought Alex would know so much more about it.
tim pool
So wait, you mean like they're chilling in here right now?
michael malice
No, they're not.
Okay, it's like this.
Let's do this again.
Here's the picture, the same picture.
unidentified
Okay.
michael malice
This is the picture.
lydia smith
I'm listening.
michael malice
It says Tim.
You couldn't read my handwriting.
It literally clearly says Tim.
tim pool
I couldn't read it.
Is it upside down?
michael malice
So this is Tim, right?
tim pool
Show the camera.
michael malice
Okay.
Wait, I want to see if there's anything else here.
Are there swastikas?
unidentified
Because usually I'm drawing those when I'm in the bathroom.
michael malice
Okay, so this is Tim with the beanie.
Yeah.
And this says Alex.
You guys can see this is MM.
This is Michael Malice, right?
Yeah.
If you wanted to tell these stick figures where we are in relation to them, they would not know because they only know up and down, right?
They're 2D.
So we are kind of behind them or through them, but... In a different dimension.
Yeah, but they don't understand that the language is not there for them where they exist, right?
So the elves are like behind this, like behind the mirror, but it's again, a very poor use of language to describe the relationship between them and us.
tim pool
Is there a word for movement in a fourth dimensional space?
ian crossland
It's a tesseract.
We have up, down, front, back, side to side.
tim pool
Do we have a word?
michael malice
It's in.
ian crossland
It's in this thing.
michael malice
Right, it's the veil.
It's the veil.
ian crossland
The protons are spinning around each other at the speed of light.
tim pool
I'm in you?
Like, where are you?
I'm in you.
ian crossland
It's inside of this vacuum.
tim pool
I'm inside you.
ian crossland
That's what they would say?
tim pool
I'm inside you?
michael malice
Well, it's like this is a 2D projection of us.
tim pool
Right.
unidentified
Right.
michael malice
But it's also independent of us in one sense.
tim pool
You ever see the documentary called What the Bleep Do We Know?
michael malice
Well, let's watch our language.
tim pool
It's like this, it's like really new age, it's really old, but they do an explanation of this and they say,
if you have these two-dimensional people, and you're looking at their space,
they could, you could say something and they would hear your voice coming from inside their bodies.
And then if you watched them, and they run inside their home, you can look down and see inside their home and say,
in your closet you've got three coins, there's shoes, and they would be like, how are you seeing all of this?
Where are you?
I'm above you.
What does that mean?
michael malice
Right.
tim pool
But the crazy thing is, if you moved your finger through their paint, through their plane, they would just see the circles form and then disappear.
So imagine like... It's like an MRI.
lydia smith
It's like an MRI.
michael malice
Yeah.
lydia smith
That's exactly like an MRI.
I just looked at my MRI today.
tim pool
So the elves are in a higher dimension or another dimension.
michael malice
Higher.
tim pool
Higher dimension.
michael malice
Yes.
ian crossland
An outer.
An inner.
I think it's inside and outside of this at the same time.
lydia smith
That would be a test for kind of a wrinkly time.
ian crossland
Check out the Schwarzschild proton.
It's Nassim Herman's quantum physicist.
We'll look back at it.
Wait, wait, check this out, Tim, real quick.
And he theorizes that every proton is two protons spinning around each other at the speed of light, depositing information into the vacuum and then returning.
So it's depositing local information into the vacuum, and then the entire super vacuum that we know is calculating that information and then returning you a localized piece.
tim pool
Well, is it nothing to do with the elves?
ian crossland
So I think that's where this vibration exists, is within that field.
tim pool
The question I have is, if you were behind me, how would taking a substance give me the ability to see you behind me?
You know what I mean?
If they're in a different dimensional space, like, you know, let's call it a... 4D space.
Quisto.
michael malice
They're through the veil.
tim pool
Yeah, they're to my quisto.
Or to my... Just behind the veil.
michael malice
It's fine.
tim pool
Behind the veil.
michael malice
We don't have to make up words.
tim pool
Well, we need some word to describe that direction.
lydia smith
Directionality.
michael malice
But we don't have a word.
Yeah, I got you.
tim pool
So, how does taking DMT allow you to, like, see around a corner?
michael malice
I don't... I have no idea.
I have no information about this.
tim pool
So how did you come to understand or talk about the elves?
The people want the answers, Michael.
michael malice
Well, the people can't always handle the answers.
lydia smith
They can't handle this.
michael malice
Because the people aren't real.
lydia smith
Oh, snap.
ian crossland
I like it.
michael malice
Yeah, you become real once your Super Chats are $100.
ian crossland
There's this thing called the super holographic graphic reality.
tim pool
So Kevin says, check out Joan's Malice Pool stream on BitChute.
Amazing.
Also, YouTube blocks the name of that site in Super Chats.
ian crossland
Wow.
michael malice
Wow.
tim pool
Well, so we automatically back up all the shows on other platforms.
And so when YouTube pulled it, it still existed.
And a lot of people were like, it's gone.
Where can I find it?
And people were saying like, put it on BitChute, Tim.
Like, it's automatic.
I don't do anything.
It just appears there.
They say, Camaro Chris says, Trump is stepping on the banana peel, getting ready to do the backflip.
lydia smith
Camaro Chris.
tim pool
Oh, Camaro Chris.
michael malice
That's not a Gifford House Giff either.
tim pool
Have you heard my analogy for like what Trump does?
michael malice
No.
tim pool
That there's people who think that Trump's playing 40 chess.
And there's people who think that Trump is a bumbling fool.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
But the people who think that Trump is a bumbling fool, that would imply that sometimes Trump's walking down the street, slips on a banana peel, but then pulls a perfect backflip and lands and then keeps walking.
lydia smith
Maybe.
It looks like Michigan just got certified.
tim pool
Oh, it did.
lydia smith
I don't know if this is accurate or not.
It's just what someone on Twitter is telling me.
I mean, that's always true, right?
Everyone on Twitter is always telling me the truth.
We'll double check it.
tim pool
What are they saying?
lydia smith
They're saying that, you know, it's good enough for government work.
tim pool
Wayne County election results certified after initial deadlock.
So this whole episode was a big waste of time.
lydia smith
All for nothing.
tim pool
You wasted your time.
It's your fault, not ours.
michael malice
You are welcome.
tim pool
So Patch.com has just said, Wayne County election results certified.
So there was a little glimmer of hope that Trump was going to pull something off.
Now it's all gone.
lydia smith
We'll see.
tim pool
I don't know.
michael malice
Or a little glimmer of fear.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
That Joe Biden is going to become president?
michael malice
No, that Trump would win.
tim pool
Oh, right, right, right, right.
The board voted 4-0 to certify the results, but with a request to Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson to audit precincts that were discovered to be out of balance.
lydia smith
Jocelyn.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Jocelyn, is that it?
lydia smith
Yeah, there you go.
tim pool
Board members initially failed to certify.
Okay, well, then they have to audit.
That's what they're calling for an audit.
unidentified
For sure, yeah.
lydia smith
That will lead to an audit.
That's still a precedent.
tim pool
Interesting.
lydia smith
That is still a precedent.
I'm not giving up.
tim pool
We'll see what happens.
lydia smith
Never give up.
tim pool
Canadian Greg says, where's my high?
I'm slightly over $100.
What the F?
unidentified
Oh, hello.
lydia smith
Hello, Greg.
michael malice
Your high is at the end of the DMT pipe.
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
Okay, thanks.
ian crossland
Florida County in Georgia.
michael malice
Greg's a good guy.
tim pool
Floyd County in Georgia.
You mentioned that was funny, right?
Someone super chatted it.
That's just hilarious.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Oh my god.
michael malice
Well, also, Wayne County was the first, like, big transgender rock star.
lydia smith
What?
Wayne County?
michael malice
Wayne County became Jane County.
And her group was called the Backstreet Boys since the early 70s.
lydia smith
How funny.
Weird.
tim pool
Trent says, Hi guys, I recently rewatched V for Vendetta, of course, and I noticed a lot of spooky parallels with current events.
Amongst others, I think the Lockdown are Biden's Why They Need Us moment.
lydia smith
Yeah, we talk about this all the time.
tim pool
Yeah, we mentioned it.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
The Great Reset.
Like, Trudeau literally said it.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
They're taking advantage of a crisis.
lydia smith
Boris said it.
Joe said it.
michael malice
Someone tweeted at me today.
They go, isn't it amazing how they'll talk about it openly, but if you mention it, you're a conspiracy theorist.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
I don't think so anymore.
I mean, I've been talking about it.
Nobody's said it was a conspiracy.
michael malice
Well, that's because you're ignored completely.
They don't say anything.
They said you don't exist.
Why?
Maybe you are in like two... He's in a different dimension.
Yeah, maybe he's in TV space.
He is.
lydia smith
He totally is.
He's in T space.
michael malice
Maybe you're like behind two veils.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Maybe that there's nothing they can say.
I mean, you look at certain political figures on the right and they've got controversial statements they've said that they can say, oh, it's hate speech.
Oh, this person is on this.
They just ignore me already.
ian crossland
You're like how I liked Britney Spears in the early days because it was like... Breaking cars?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah, no, I don't know what that means.
michael malice
I just remember hearing her.
ian crossland
Are you impugning the honor of Britney?
michael malice
Britney was hitting it super hard.
Can I say one more thing?
tim pool
I made a big mistake.
When she first was are you are you impugning the honor of Britney? Oh my god, Britney was super hard
michael malice
Can I say one more thing? Yeah, I made a I made a big mistake
I went on twitter and I said I wonder what chris crocker is up to
Chris Crocker made that video, Leave Britney Spears Alone.
And then I tweeted out, I regret looking up at Chris Crocker.
And people follow that link and they're like, F you Malice.
I told you I regretted it.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
What is it?
michael malice
I'm not going to tell you, but if they go to Chris Crocker's Twitter, they're going to regret it.
lydia smith
You're going to regret it.
Now you know.
unidentified
Okay.
lydia smith
Don't do it!
ian crossland
Shut up.
tim pool
Anyway, what were you saying about Britney Spears?
Oh, you like Britney Spears?
ian crossland
In the early days, she was hitting it hard and it was like, I can't like Britney Spears, everyone will make fun of me, but I loved her music.
So it's kind of like how they are with you.
tim pool
That's not what I'm talking about.
Why are they crapping all over me?
michael malice
Yeah, why'd they say Tim Fools sucks?
ian crossland
Because if they start talking about you, they're going to get thrown under the bus.
michael malice
But they didn't ignore Britney.
They talked about her as a sucky.
ian crossland
I ignored Britney.
lydia smith
Yeah, you have to.
tim pool
I didn't want to admit anyone.
I got like 120 million views in October.
I think that's one of the biggest political shows in the world.
My personal podcast is ranked 46 on iTunes.
And this show is number 106 on iTunes.
It's like some of the biggest, you know, it's a top 250.
And we just had Alex Jones on to the biggest show with over 2 million views.
lydia smith
Tim, do you want gossip columns about you?
tim pool
I'm not saying that.
I'm saying it's weird.
lydia smith
It is kind of weird.
tim pool
I've never really talked about it.
michael malice
He sits down to pee!
lydia smith
Oh, okay, thank you.
michael malice
Gossip!
tim pool
Oh, okay, okay, okay.
I have the documents.
I normally don't mention this because I don't want hit pieces or anything like that.
I purposely avoid, you know, controversial, you know, like, I don't like going on other people's shows for a variety of reasons.
But it is, I gotta say, very strange.
I thought we would get backlash for having Jones on.
We didn't.
lydia smith
We got nothing.
tim pool
Nothing.
Kind of weird.
157,000 concurrent views.
Something like 2.3 million views.
Nothing.
michael malice
Because I'm magic.
tim pool
And it even got pulled because of this controversy.
Nothing.
One article from the Washington Times for the most part.
michael malice
It's weird.
It is weird.
tim pool
No phone calls, no emails.
ian crossland
You never hear Alex mentioned on like legacy media either.
tim pool
That's not true.
I hate that expression.
ian crossland
Legacy?
How do you refer to it though?
michael malice
The corporate press.
I hate legacy.
ian crossland
But YouTube's corporate too.
Tim has a corporation.
tim pool
It's not legacy.
Okay.
This came about because when Alex went on Jones, they tried canceling... I'm sorry, when Alex went on Jones.
When Alex went on Joe, they started complaining they wanted Joe banned.
Spotify defended him.
There was this big hubbub.
unidentified
Nothing.
michael malice
Yeah.
unidentified
Nothing.
ian crossland
So whatever these organizations are, Council on Foreign Relations, Economic Forum, CBS, ABC, CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, all these crazy news organizations, it's like a coordinated function.
So there's a reason why they don't elevate up and coming people that are explaining the financial system and the structure and the coordination and all that.
michael malice
Yeah.
lydia smith
So Tim, you do have an article.
You have one article.
It's from Reclaim the Net.
unidentified
It just says YouTube removes Alex Jones' tool podcast for harassment and bullying.
tim pool
Right.
Reclaim the Net is an anti-censorship, pro-free speech outlet.
unidentified
That's it.
That's all.
michael malice
That is amazing to me.
Let me give you this.
The Federalist asked me to write an article and I said it wasn't my place to write it.
tim pool
Yeah.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
But I'm just saying, like, it's just weird.
And I only bring it up because I figured surely this is the one that we had Enrique Tarrio on from Chairman of the Proud Boys.
Nothing.
lydia smith
Nothing still.
ian crossland
It was a good interview.
That's why.
tim pool
And it got a ton of views.
michael malice
Was he wearing the Fred Perry?
tim pool
He was, wasn't he?
Was he?
lydia smith
No, he wasn't.
tim pool
No, he wasn't.
lydia smith
He was wearing a t-shirt, yeah.
tim pool
But we had, we literally, and this is just like a week or two after the debates when they're all talking about the Proud Boys and like, we're going to get the chairman on of a huge show.
lydia smith
So great, yeah.
unidentified
Nothing.
ian crossland
Dude, the Alex show was awesome.
michael malice
I know, I was there.
ian crossland
That's why they're not talking about it.
lydia smith
Do you think it's because we humanized these people?
We humanized people like Enrique?
We humanized people like Alex Jones?
michael malice
You know what I think it is, honestly?
There's two things.
They are so intent that Alex Jones is completely out of his mind in every way, like he's like a hundred out of a hundred, that if he's just like 80, All of a sudden they have a problem.
If Trump isn't Hitler, then he's just like a McKinley.
They have a big problem because their narrative is a lie.
So if Alex Jones isn't 100% crazy, if he's only 80% crazy, now they've got an issue.
Because then why are we completely censoring this guy who's 20% of the time kind of making sense?
ian crossland
Was McKinley like a psycho?
michael malice
No, what?
He was just mediocre.
tim pool
Mimes says Trump loves space and technology.
He talked about going to Mars during the RNC.
lydia smith
He did, yeah.
michael malice
He also said he was Batman.
tim pool
Did he really?
ian crossland
I hope he did.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's awesome.
michael malice
There was a little kid, Trump took him up in his helicopter before he was president, and the kid says, are you Batman?
He goes, I am Batman.
That's so cool!
Look it up!
There's a headline, Trump says I'm Batman, which I guess means that he watched his parents get shot.
ian crossland
Oh gosh, that's awful.
lydia smith
Probably on 5th Avenue.
michael malice
Yeah, still got votes.
tim pool
OPE says, with the issue of Joe not being able to finish his oath of office, the oath of office, the provision of the Constitution that would have VP elect then get sworn in should be changed because didn't the person that got second in the election become VP?
lydia smith
Ooh, I don't know.
michael malice
What?
unidentified
That's what we were talking about.
michael malice
Back in the day, like Aaron Burr.
tim pool
They changed it, right?
It was an amendment, I think.
michael malice
Yes.
tim pool
And then Aaron Burr went on and killed Alexander Hamilton.
michael malice
Yes, my hero.
And I have a piece of Alexander Hamilton's hair in my house.
tim pool
Oh my gosh.
I read that Hamilton didn't really think it was going to become lethal.
michael malice
Apparently, Hamilton shot in the air, is one of the theories.
tim pool
Yeah, he didn't actually intend.
He was like, okay, I'll go to the duel, but I'm not actually, you know.
michael malice
That's not unique to him.
Many of these duels were for show, because these bullets were not very effective.
tim pool
And they'd miss.
michael malice
And they basically were real men.
We shoot at each other, we shake hands, and it's all squashed.
tim pool
Yeah.
michael malice
Honor culture stuff, yeah.
tim pool
He took a bullet to the- he put it to the chest, right?
michael malice
I think so, yeah.
tim pool
To the lung or something.
michael malice
He took him a couple- he died on my birthday.
1804, July 12th.
tim pool
Uh, uh, Notorious B.I.G.
died on my birthday.
michael malice
Oh.
I remember when I was a little- He's not dead.
tim pool
Okay.
michael malice
Notorious B.I.G., do you mean Ann Navarro?
tim pool
Eric Digrepont says, Trump isn't playing 4D chess, he's Captain Jack Sparrow.
Does he plan it or does it all just work out?
michael malice
Does he mean beat his girlfriend?
Is that what he means?
tim pool
Jack Sparrow?
No, Amber!
Amber!
lydia smith
Beat him?
tim pool
I don't know, that's what they're saying.
ian crossland
The fear that Trump has positive mental attitude and it actually works.
lydia smith
He doesn't.
He's highly negative.
tim pool
What if that Trump exists on a higher plane and does DMT and so he can see the elves and they help him?
michael malice
What if Trump is a senile old man and it's all barren?
lydia smith
Uh, yeah.
michael malice
That's the other theory.
How is it that someone who's like 70-whatever is the best person on social media on earth?
This makes no sense.
lydia smith
I don't know.
He nails it.
tim pool
Something's happening to 2016.
Something happened.
I love the theories that CERN fired the Large Hadron Collider.
michael malice
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Broke reality.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But they did, didn't they?
Like, they did the experiment, then all of a sudden, boom, Trump becomes president.
And it's like, everyone's freaking out.
How do we get back to normal?
How do we reverse things?
lydia smith
There is no normal.
tim pool
Wasn't someone talking about that?
That on election night this year, they fired the collider again?
michael malice
Did they?
lydia smith
Did they seriously?
ian crossland
They waited until a specific moment to do it.
lydia smith
They would have learned the first time.
Geez, guys, come on.
Now we're going to Google it.
Give us a hint.
tim pool
No, but then Biden won.
ian crossland
They fixed it!
michael malice
Or did he?
ian crossland
Yeah, they might be messing with dimensional interaction.
lydia smith
Two weeks ago?
ian crossland
Not that we are teleporting in the sense that we think.
Like, three-dimensional movement is more like we're appearing in place over and over and over again, so like...
You know, right now I'm spinning my Fermions and Bosons are spinning around forming matter in this position.
And when I look like I'm moving, it's actually just going to appear in a new spot at light speed.
So that can change if the Hadron Collider could change the way that we're appearing.
tim pool
But the question is, jokingly, did they rip, uh, you know, did they send us into a different dimension where Trump becomes president?
And then they were like, you have to reverse it.
I love, I love watching these sci-fi movies where they're like, they accidentally switch dimensions and they're all panicking.
Turn the machine back on.
unidentified
Oh no.
tim pool
And then it's like, that's what really happened.
michael malice
Yeah, well, I mean, that's what I'm writing about for my next book is walking around New York during the lockdowns and no one's on the street.
It really did feel like one of those movies where you're in the wrong dimension.
It's like 12 Monkeys.
Times Square was deserted.
New York City was deserted.
After 9-11, it wasn't deserted.
I've been in New York all my life.
I've never seen anything like this.
tim pool
Where are the people?
michael malice
Where are the people?
tim pool
I went to a small town recently.
Rode my bike 32 miles.
It was crazy.
Went to the small town.
No people anywhere.
And it was the weirdest thing.
Like, no joke when I say no people.
I saw like one person sitting under a massive tent in a park.
One person just sitting under it.
And I'm like, why is there a massive tent with all these chairs and only one person?
Who set this up?
Why?
And why is there one person?
They were doing nothing!
This was the craziest thing.
They were just sitting there.
lydia smith
That reminds me of the first episode of The Twilight Zone where this guy gets to this town and there's no one.
Absolutely no one.
And he's trying to figure out what's going on.
He calls everyone and he's like, He drags this mannequin out of a car and he makes his own coffee because he's like losing his mind.
tim pool
Didn't it turn out that he was in like a nuclear test site?
lydia smith
He was.
And this reminds me a little bit of going to L.A.
when we were driving on the highway there.
There were no cars.
It was bizarre.
tim pool
What if we're just like the dimensional equivalent of like, you know, animals in a terrarium they're watching and collecting data on and they've abandoned the project?
michael malice
That's one of the theories, yeah.
tim pool
They got all the data they needed, so now they've just left the terrarium on the shelf, it's self-sustaining for the most part, and they walked away, and then it's all chaos now.
lydia smith
I bet they were curious what would happen if we had a black president.
tim pool
What's the theory?
michael malice
That's not the elf theory, though.
lydia smith
What is it?
michael malice
Well, the elf theory is not the theory.
tim pool
That's a totally different theory, yeah.
You've heard the theory that we're an experiment or something?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What is it?
michael malice
You just said it.
tim pool
Oh, that's it?
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
I thought there was more to it.
michael malice
No.
tim pool
Because I just made... I was just thinking like, you know, what if... That'd be cool, I guess.
michael malice
I guess.
tim pool
Simulation or whatever.
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
And they got bored, so they're done.
My theory is that Rick is back from college.
He's 19 and he's playing Simulation Earth, you know, the year's 2070-something.
It's a really realistic AI.
And then, you know, the doorbell rings because the pizza guy showed up with his calzone and his Mountain Dew, so he gets up to go to the door.
And then his little brother, Billy, jumps on the computer and starts mashing keys.
And then Ricky walks back in and he's got the calzone.
He goes, Billy, what are you doing?
Oh, what is it?
Donald Trump is president?
Oh, dude, how do I undo?
How do you understand?
What did you do?
Oh man, I gotta impeach him.
michael malice
One of my favorite comedians, Joe Mackey, has this great bit about if he was going back in time and he killed baby Hitler, everyone would be like, dude, what are you doing?
No, no, you don't understand.
I'm from the future and things really take a turn with this baby.
tim pool
Yeah.
I mean, that's true.
michael malice
And he's like, while I'm there, I might as well take out Himmler and Schicklgruber and all these other people.
tim pool
Kill all these babies?
unidentified
Yeah.
michael malice
They're like, what is going on?
He's like, no, I know what I'm doing.
lydia smith
Just trust me on this one.
michael malice
Killing babies.
ian crossland
I truly feel like we're in another dimension, but is that, it's, I don't know how to explain it.
lydia smith
Prove it.
ian crossland
It's like a chaos dimension.
lydia smith
You can't prove it.
ian crossland
Like, in 2008- I'm Lawnmower Man, people.
I could have, I believe it!
michael malice
In real life, I'm Mentally Limited Lawnmower Man.
ian crossland
There was a moment- I am God here.
I think that's true.
You're like Shaogorath.
michael malice
What's that?
ian crossland
He's the god of chaos and Elder Scrolls.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
ian crossland
Or one of the Daedric Princes of chaos.
tim pool
Don't look at me.
ian crossland
Low-key, or set.
You have that embodiment of chaos.
Yeah, in every culture there is.
You know, jovial chaos.
michael malice
Every time I go to the bathroom, you don't know what's going to come out.
Sometimes it's confetti, sometimes it's cotton candy.
Upper Decker, you mean?
tim pool
On Upper Decker, yeah.
We call it Top Shelving.
Upper Decker.
Oh, yeah.
Canadian Greg says, I believe New York Times released today 40% of New Yorkers on Manhattan fled the city since February.
I don't know if it's that much.
I think it's way less than that.
I think it was 400,000 people.
It's a lot of people, though.
lydia smith
I heard 300,000.
michael malice
He uses the metric system.
He's in Canada, so it's different for him.
tim pool
Trevor says, Trump is actually John Titor and has seen the future.
Fourth Dimension is time travel.
Well, so, fourth dimension could be time.
It just depends on how you're framing things, I suppose.
There could be a fourth spatial dimension, or we could say that time is a dimension that we can't freely move through, and we're being pushed through.
So, the way you could see it is, if we have three dimensions in which we can control our movement to a certain degree, time would be like if we were falling down an endless shaft.
michael malice
There's another way to look at this.
Sometimes things sound profound, but they also sound stupid at the same time.
They're both.
A shopping list is time travel.
A shopping list is you telling your future self a message.
Just like, you know, if you go back in time, it's just the other direction.
And we don't think about it in these terms, but there's lots of little mechanisms like this where we could tell each other things at different points in time.
tim pool
Have you seen Tenet?
michael malice
I have not.
What is it?
tim pool
It's the new, uh, Christopher Nolan, right?
lydia smith
Yeah, it's good.
tim pool
I thought it was pretty good.
Yeah, so basically, someone discovers a way to reverse entropy.
michael malice
Oh!
tim pool
And so, it creates literally objects that move the other direction in time.
And so, there's crazy dynamics.
The movie's cool.
But basically, some point in the future, they invent it, creating a path to go back in time.
But when you're, when you invert entropy, you perceive yourself normally, but everything else is different.
And so you can't breathe because inverted oxygen can't enter your cells.
So you need inverted, a regular oxygen can't enter inverted cells.
So you need an inverted oxygen with you.
Otherwise you die.
So they have to wear suits, but it's really cool watching how two different, you know, objects moving different directions through time interact with each other.
It's a cool concept.
michael malice
Yeah.
ian crossland
Along your allegory of the writing, the list is time travel.
So is internet video.
So is just recording in general, because right now.
You are watching this now.
But now, for me, is later for me.
Yes, right.
tim pool
And you're watching it now, which is... And by the time most people experience this, like when they watch the clip or whatever, we're gonna be doing something entirely different.
ian crossland
You're watching the past.
You're looking into the past.
lydia smith
You might as well be dead, yeah.
tim pool
You know what's gonna be really weird?
ian crossland
Oh, you might as well be alive.
tim pool
How, like, history is going to be perfectly preserved almost, you know, with all of this data and all these videos, that in the future their supercomputers are gonna be able to go through all of these videos and be like, here's what really happened.
ian crossland
I bet they're going to be able to build supercomputers that can show video of potential futures as well.
So now we look at video of the past.
That'd be interesting.
What were you going to say?
michael malice
No, I agree with you.
tim pool
Jack Martin says, why would Trump commit so hard to the fraud narrative if he and his team didn't truly believe they have a rock solid case?
michael malice
Because I think that's an easy one, because it gives Trump an enormous amount of pleasure to watch his enemies in the media squirm, evidently.
tim pool
And it also gives him an out without being a loser.
michael malice
And it also is a fundraiser for him.
And it makes his fans happy because it's fun for them.
tim pool
He's fighting the bitter end tooth and nail.
He's going to say, I didn't lose.
It was stolen.
So he'll always be the winner.
And that's a narrative.
It's very powerful.
lydia smith
May I put my two cents in?
I think that he actually does have some very solid evidence.
I have no idea what it is.
I think it's a lot more solid than you guys think.
And I guess we'll see.
tim pool
That's a good point.
lydia smith
I know.
Tim's not sold.
Tim's not sold.
tim pool
It's okay.
For a while, I was thinking they did, but as time goes on, I'm kind of just... Yeah, time is getting on.
Yeah, I tweeted about this.
I said, release the Kraken.
It's trending on Twitter.
I said, it sounds an awful lot like trust the plan.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, I'm chilling.
If you guys have evidence, I look forward to seeing it, you know?
And then Viva Frey, who's his lawyer, said the longer they wait to release it, the bigger it's going to need to be to have an impact.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
michael malice
Absolutely.
tim pool
And so I'm not convinced.
I'm not.
I mean, they talk about all this stuff openly, like Dominion Voting Systems, and was it Smartech or whatever the company's called?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I haven't heard of that yet.
ian crossland
What is that?
tim pool
It's the software company that, like, these companies have shady backgrounds and shady histories, and there's been, you know, questions about whether or not the machines can be manipulated.
I firmly believe, and I'm talking about John, because I watch John Oliver, and John Oliver told me they can very easily hack these machines, so I believe it.
In that case, I believe it's possible they have evidence.
They do.
I can't imagine that a year ago, John Oliver was saying, it's current year, they're hacking voting machines, and there wasn't some, you know, someone paying attention to this.
michael malice
Tim, it's no longer current year, duh.
tim pool
So a year later?
unidentified
It's 2019!
tim pool
But listen, I'll tell you this.
Do you have confidence that the Trump team was paying enough attention and prepared enough to actually, you know, catch evidence of vote machine manipulation?
Or are they just now, after the fact, going, oh yeah, hey look!
ian crossland
Yeah, that's what it looks like.
michael malice
I have confidence that democracy is when the good guys win, and a coup or populism is when the wrong people win.
They do not believe in democracy other than an ex post facto rationalization for what they wanted to do the entire time.
Just like Amy, remember?
Amy Comey Barrett.
Oh, it's illegitimate.
You know, the senators don't have a right to appoint her.
We're going to walk out of the hearing.
That was two weeks before the election.
tim pool
Right.
I have to wonder why they pushed her through so quickly.
They could have approved her in the lame duck session, but they chose to do it just before the election.
michael malice
I thought it was smart to galvanize their voters.
I mean... I thought it was very smart.
Across the right wing, sorry to interrupt you, that was clearly Trump's biggest accomplishment was the Supreme Court.
tim pool
Yes, but then people of all... So the question is, if people are already satisfied with what he's done, why won't they go vote?
And there was a question of, if they don't approve her, will it then be like, everybody go vote to make sure!
It could potentially send out more Democrats though.
michael malice
Sure.
tim pool
Maybe?
Or maybe he's wanting to get it done because... I think the question is, is she going to play a role in a Supreme Court ruling for Trump?
michael malice
I think what I'm looking forward to is them building on the Heller decision.
ian crossland
What's that?
michael malice
The Heller decision is what, for the first time, the Supreme Court adjudicated that the Second Amendment is, in fact, an individual right.
And if it is an individual right, then lots of these laws at different cities are up for grabs in terms of their legality.
tim pool
Just gone.
michael malice
I don't know about gone, but the Supreme Court's going to look at them in a different context now.
Now there's room to build on that lawsuit.
tim pool
So basically I can get like, you know, like a 200-round drum for a handgun or something and just like carry it around?
michael malice
Well, the premise is if abortion is not subject to regulation, as many people would have it, and free speech is not subject to, you know, regulations as many people have it, if the Supreme Court regards it in the same context as the others too, what's your legal argument for splitting these hairs?
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Interesting.
Well, we've gone a bit over as per usual, but thanks for hanging out, everybody.
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Do you want to promote your underwear again?
michael malice
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You're on a podcast.
It's a lot of fun.
I love it.
Ed, you know what?
They have camouflage underwear.
So your genitalia can be even more invisible.
tim pool
It's like someone's gripping your junk while you're sitting there in your chair?
michael malice
For three hours.
The whole time.
tim pool
Oh, there you go, man.
I wish you the best in selling many pairs.
michael malice
You can get my pants.
tim pool
Why do we call it a pair of underwear?
Do we call it a pair?
lydia smith
We call it a pair of pants.
tim pool
Yeah, that's weird.
lydia smith
Yeah, British people call them pants.
michael malice
It's one thing.
unidentified
It is, yeah.
tim pool
Pants?
Plural?
ian crossland
Pantalones.
tim pool
Yeah.
A piece of underwear?
michael malice
A pant.
Yeah.
ian crossland
It should just be a pant.
michael malice
They do say pant.
They say this like a carpenter pant.
That's interesting.
lydia smith
That's weird.
tim pool
Pantsuit?
How do we say?
A pair of underwear?
michael malice
Yeah.
tim pool
That sounds weird.
lydia smith
There's two legs.
michael malice
I like how we're all immigrants all of a sudden.
How do they say in this country?
Pair underwear?
That's crazy!
tim pool
A piece?
A unit of underwear?
michael malice
I would like a proof of underwear.
ian crossland
You're on to something about the pear thing being weird.
I'm not the first person who said it, but you want to... I just totally made a bad joke there.
Hey, tell me about your books real quick.
michael malice
Well, what do you want to know?
ian crossland
Just what are they called?
michael malice
So the Dear Reader is the unauthorized autobiography of Kim Jong-il.
So it's everything you need to know about North Korea in a book.
And I want to make it entertaining that you could be in the bathroom or the beach.
Because all the books out there are too dark, so this is literally everything you should know.
I went there, did the research, and The New Right is about right populism, or more correctly, anti-left political movements that you're not supposed to talk about.
And the next one's gonna be called The White Pill.
lydia smith
Very cool.
michael malice
It's about why the good guys won and why they will win again.
ian crossland
Well, that makes me very hopeful, Michael.
Thank you.
michael malice
That's The White Pill.
ian crossland
And I'm Ian Crossland.
You can follow me on most social networks, including mine's YouTube, Twitter, Facebook, Instagram.
tim pool
And you can follow at Sour Patch Lids, who is producing over there.
lydia smith
Yeah, Sour Patch Lids, L-Y-D-S.
tim pool
Right on.
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michael malice
Fact.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Absolutely.
News guard.
And especially when Michael's on the show.
lydia smith
Correct.
michael malice
It's never going to happen again.
tim pool
No, it's over.
unidentified
You're done.
tim pool
How dare you sell underwear?
unidentified
This is not an underwear condom show!
This is a commando show!
That's right.
tim pool
We will see you all tomorrow at 8 p.m.
Thanks for hanging out.
We'll see you next time.
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