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Nov. 17, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Georgia Recount Just gave Trump NET GAIN w/Jack Murphy and Jorge Ventura
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tim pool
This weekend a lot of Trump supporters showed up in DC I don't know the full number because we get a bunch of estimates from a bunch of different groups.
Some Trump supporters were saying around 200,000.
Some leftists were saying it was only 100,000.
Some Trump supporters said it was over a million, apparently, on Twitter.
I don't think that was correct.
At any rate, it was massive and it resulted in a lot of violence because leftists showed up as they do and started attacking people.
So I've actually, we got a couple people here today, but as we were preparing to start the show and we are, we are, the first title we had was like, you know, leftist attack, MAGA families because there were kids there.
It was, it was crazy.
We've uh a story popped up that's uh it's breaking within the past hour.
The Georgia recount has unearthed 2,600 uncounted ballots and 800 went to Trump.
We've also got another story about Republicans getting a five to six percent boost in a recount and I believe it was New Hampshire so I think this is the the more pressing like breaking news considering we're trapped in this you know election period but it does play into exactly what's going on with all the violence.
It's not going to stop.
There are leftist media publications saying the same thing.
It's not going to stop.
It doesn't matter if Trump wins or loses or Biden wins.
It doesn't matter.
It's going to keep happening.
So we're going to talk about all this, and we'll start by talking about the current state of the election a little bit, and then we'll just segue right in.
But hanging out today is Jack Murphy.
jack murphy
What's up, everybody?
Jack Murphy live.
How you doing?
tim pool
He was supposed to come next week, but you were down there on the ground.
jack murphy
I was down there on the ground.
I saw all the many, many thousands and thousands of flags and then tens of thousands of people for sure.
There was more people than I expected by a lot.
There were more people down there than I remember seeing at the Washington Nationals World Series Parade.
tim pool
Wow.
jack murphy
There were tons of people and it was pretty lit.
Red, white, and blue everywhere.
Pledge of Allegiance.
National Anthem.
It was tremendous.
tim pool
We also have Jorge Ventura.
You actually filmed the video that Andy Ngo shared, right?
jorge ventura
Yes, sir.
tim pool
Where that dude gets sucker punched.
And Ian and I were arguing over this earlier because what happened is... Actually, you know what?
Let's save this conversation.
We'll jump right into it.
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Okay, let's just talk about, okay.
We've got this recount thing.
We'll wait on this for a little bit so that people can start, you know, coming into the live show.
But let's just talk about what happened with this clip with Andy Ngo to start things off.
So Andy Ngo posted, you may know him, he's a journalist, he's on Twitter.
He posted this clip where there's this guy, who seems to be a Trump supporter, and someone comes up behind him and sucker punches him from behind, just knocking him out to the ground.
And then some people start kicking his face, like kicking him in the head.
They pick him up and this dude's gone, man.
He's just like out of it.
He's bleeding.
And then all of a sudden, Andy Ngo starts trending on Twitter because these leftists were like, show the full clip!
You didn't show the full clip!
And so then people start sharing this longer version that shows this guy who got sucker punched walking up to the leftists and the guy with the bullhorn and swinging at him and shoving him saying, see, he started the fight.
And you see, that wasn't even the full clip, either.
The full clip was that a couple guys tried leaving, and the cops wouldn't let them.
So they were forced to walk through the crowd, and the crowd harassed and swung at them and shoved them and attacked them for, like, a couple blocks.
It's like one really long block.
You can see this video.
And these guys are even begging, like, please, like, we're not doing it, we're trying to leave.
Doesn't matter.
They're getting up in their space, they're hitting them, shoving them.
Finally, they turn a corner.
This guy came and started defending people, it would seem.
I'll ask you, like, if that makes sense.
Because I watched the full thing from start to finish.
But this is what happens.
Andy Ngo posts this clip saying, dude, this guy got sucker punched.
The left claims he's purposefully taking it out of context, when I think he was just trying to highlight the sucker punch.
Then they only show an out of context clip, not explaining why it was this guy confronted this group.
But it seems like this guy was trying to defend people who were being attacked.
Is that true?
jorge ventura
Yeah so basically just what what happened Tim is um you know the the regular event happened it was you know peaceful like Jack was saying it was thousands of people there I mean I would I'm guessing yeah I would say maybe like half a million and really yeah it was it It was a lot of, I mean, I'm not an expert on this, but it was more than a hundred, a hundred thousand people that I would say, you know, started off the event, you know, regular people marching, showing their support for Trump.
And around two or three, I call this journalistic instinct was I said, I should probably make my way down to black lives matter Plaza, because if there's anything that's going to happen, it's going to happen at that Plaza.
Soon as I arrived at the plaza, I filmed this video where what originally caught my attention was it's a family that was supporting Trump.
You know, they had their Trump gear on.
They're walking through the Black Lives Matter plaza.
As they're walking through, I was speaking to another reporter, but what caught my attention about the family was that their daughter had her head down and she was really in distress.
She was crying and she was shaking.
So I was like, okay, hold on.
So I turn my camera on and focus on her.
And as soon as I did that, these Black Lives Matter supporters start approaching the family, yelling at them.
That's when the mom grabs her daughter and pulls her in close.
And basically a huge clash happened.
Then one of the Black Lives Matter supporters, they push the dad onto that daughter so that she like hits this concrete slab that was there.
She's crying.
It was an emotional scene.
It was even tough as a reporter to document that because there were kids involved.
So, originally what the cops did then after that event was they said, alright, what we're going to do is we're going to shut off every street into Black Lives Matter Plaza to stop the Trump supporters from colliding with the Black Lives Matter supporters.
Which originally was a great idea, but what happened was that these Trump supporters then couldn't get through to their hotel.
So then what I did is I walked up to a police line, this is on I and 16th Street on Black Lives Matter Plaza.
And the guy's name is Christopher, now that I found out he actually ended up DMing me on Twitter.
Him and his wife, and I believe a couple other people in his group, are begging the cops, please let us through.
And before they even walk up to the police line, they were already getting harassed.
They walk up to the police line, the police don't let them through, and he says, no, you gotta go around.
As soon as the police turn them around, They get attacked.
As they're getting attacked, the police line is just looking at them, letting this happen.
That's when I filmed the African-American female with the orange shower cap or bonnet, whatever you want to call it.
She punches a dude from behind.
These people were scared for their lives.
They kept saying, look, we just want to get back to our hotel.
So they're getting attacked.
And that's when they kind of walk down the street.
that's when we see that gentleman with this along black
uh... sure on orange writing he like comes in and kind of like tries to
defend this group that's when we see him
take the microphone away then he like pushes a gun the ground believe he like
even stepped on his head and then that's when the uh... group kind of close in on
him and at the at this time still with those commotion please are not
stepping in then the guy gets
sucker punch by uh... it was the african-american gentleman with the uh...
trump and out now assign
The guy gets knocked out.
Then another individual comes and takes three steps on his head.
Then they finally pick him up and then take him to the police line.
Then the police get involved.
So it was just like a hectic situation.
I think what people didn't understand maybe who weren't there and you know the whole out of context thing is that these Trump supporters were getting attacked on their way to the hotel.
They were literally just mining their business.
They were literally pleading with the police if they could be let through and the police basically Uh, kind of, you know, from my perspective, they failed these people because they didn't even, not only did they point them to the wrong direction, but at least escort these people to their hotel.
I mean, these police are from DC.
It's no secret what's going on in the political atmosphere.
But, um, yeah, Tim, I think, uh, I think, uh, it was just a hectic situation.
I think people don't, don't understand the full.
tim pool
You saw the response to Andy Ngo's tweet though, right?
Is it fair to say that the left response with this, with a short clip was also out of context?
jorge ventura
It was also out of context.
I think what the left doesn't understand is, let's say that guy comes in and, you know, pushes his man in the microphone.
It still doesn't excuse you to literally, brutally knock out this guy and stomp on his head.
tim pool
I mean, he kicked some dude in the head too, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
jack murphy
He took on the whole mob.
He fought a bunch of guys.
He swung and went into the crowd and back and out and back and out again.
jorge ventura
And I don't know this for sure, but from just being there, I'm assuming that that guy saw those people getting attacked, saw that they were being ganged up on, saw that they were ripping the Trump flag.
And I'm assuming he just got sick of it and wanted it to step in.
tim pool
in. And it seemed like he was protecting them as he engaged with them.
The family got away. Yeah. So you have a family.
The police won't let them through.
I think it's funny, too. I think a lot of a lot of Trump supporters, people who
don't live in big cities, don't realize how police are going to treat you.
And they think they can walk up to the cops and be like, howdy, officer.
My hotel's right there.
And the cop says, I don't care.
Get out of my face.
In fact, I'm sure some of these people get a rude awakening with the cops even just shoving them or saying shut up or not even responding to them.
Because, you know, if you're from a city, you probably get it.
If you're in a protest, cops are going to be like, don't care at all.
Those cops don't know who the protesters are.
They don't know who the Trump supporters are.
They don't know what they're protesting.
They don't know what they're supporting.
Don't care.
Got orders?
Nobody goes through.
Done.
You could be a journalist.
It doesn't matter.
I watched them arrest a guy in a suit at Occupy Wall Street who was walking out of a bodega with an orange Fanta.
It was like a famous story that happened.
He walks out and there's a crowd of protesters and he's like wearing a suit and he's all just like, oh, this is crazy.
They arrest him and he's freaking out like, what's going on?
Apparently he showed up to court screaming about how he was at work, went outside to go grab a soda from the bodega, and the cops arrested him, even though he's clearly not a protester.
So...
jack murphy
I have some extra color on that story.
So I was down in Black Lives Matter.
I was down there.
My job that day was to record, but also scout.
That was what I wanted to do.
I wanted to go on the fringes, be up in front, and just see where Antifa was going to be, what the plan was, how and when they were going to maybe assault people.
And I had been tweeting for days beforehand, safety alert, please stay in the suburbs, please at night go back to the suburbs.
Arlington's very close.
Jack was so big tweeted out Ali Alexander did we tried to warn people like we legitimately tried to warn people and I think people got the message.
I mean that one tweet was seen by like a half a million times.
So like people saw it.
So I went to Black Lives Matter Plaza after the March had gone from Freedom Plaza all the way down to Supreme Court.
I walked all the way back.
And the guy who knocked out this guy in question, I was there.
He approached me.
It must've been a half hour, an hour before that incident.
And he was like, just insane.
tim pool
The leftist guy?
jack murphy
The leftist guy who knocked the dude out at the register.
jorge ventura
Registered sex offender.
jack murphy
A registered sex offender.
He was insane.
He was looking for people to assault.
He came up to me like he was going to get me.
I had a security guard with me that day.
He just stepped in and pushed the guy back.
He kind of like looked and he was like, yeah, maybe not.
The Antifa guys that accosted me the previous week at the other riot where the cops saved me.
They were there.
They recognized me.
They were all like scheming, getting ready to see what they could do to me.
Um, but the cops did save me that one night.
So like, it's kind of, yeah, but there was like, it was imminent and I was ganged up by like 30 people and I was the only one there.
But anyway, those people were there looking, looking to assault people.
Looking to harass people.
Looking to hurt people.
Not looking to protest.
Not looking to make a chant.
They were looking for violence.
And this was a conversation we were having earlier.
There's definitely BLM down there.
There's definitely Antifa down there.
There's definitely just sort of rando lefties down there.
But there's also just random thugs.
unidentified
Yeah, right.
tim pool
People just want violence.
jack murphy
People just want violence.
And that incident was horrible to see.
And then did you see some chick, some lady stole his phone too.
unidentified
At the very end.
jack murphy
It was on film.
He's face down, blood coming out of his face and the girl steals his phone.
jorge ventura
So if I could add to him, basically, that guy gets knocked out.
He gets taken to the cops.
And then the commotion is still ongoing.
We then basically wrap around the street and then we see an elderly couple walking back to their hotel and that's when we see this group attack that couple trying to steal their trunk flag.
A big props to that older lady because she held on to it.
She didn't give up.
They were literally attacking this elderly couple.
You could hear one of the guys yelling at them saying, you're so lucky the cops are not here.
I would beat the F out of you or whatever.
And it was just crazy to, like, just, you know, sit, you know, being there and documenting that.
And one of the females who stole the phone, I believe she also had a taser.
She was actually trying to tase Caelan from Scriber News, who was just on the show.
She was trying to tase him, unsuccessfully, thank God.
Basically everything was happening so fast me and Kaelin kind of went to the side and then we told the cops hey we have all the video footage of the assault they were the ones responsible so I do want to credit the DC police in this area because they saw our footage right away and then made the arrest like in real time in In front of me and Kaelin's faces.
So they made the arrest of the individuals who were responsible for the assault.
I believe they got like two or three that are wanted, but the folks who were heavily involved, they arrested them there in real time.
I believe the two males who were arrested did have weapons on them.
The female had a taser.
Then we found out that one of the men were already a registered sex offender.
So thanks to Andy Ngo for getting that information.
tim pool
Cops found several guns as well.
jack murphy
Oh yeah, they recovered like, I think 10.
jorge ventura
But it makes you think, Tim, that like, you know, I don't want to, this is not me taking any credit or Kaelin for us, but it's just like if me and Kaelin aren't there to like pressure the cops to arrest these people showing that we have video evidence and prove that we are credentialed media, you know, these people would have got away and just would have kept doing that all night.
tim pool
So these videos are crazy, man.
You have this massive crowd of Trump supporters, but as night falls and the numbers start thinning out, then these leftists and just, like Jack was saying, violent people looking for a fight get to come out and do whatever they want.
jack murphy
You can see the look in their eyes to that guy in particular.
I was chest to chest with him moments before he assaulted that guy.
You could see it in their eyes.
They're just crazed.
I went down looking to hurt.
ian crossland
I went down.
I'll add to this.
This is great.
Um, we were down there, Andreas and I went down, walked around.
So we did the parade during the day, walked up and down, had lunch with some of the InfoWars people.
And then we were out.
It's starting to get dark.
Went over to Black Lives Matter Plaza and.
Dude, it was like Tim's metaphor is great.
Like, you ever play a game where there's a horde mode, but it glitches and you get in the back room where the horde's waiting before they get released?
Just a bunch of people, like, standing there.
Not making noise, not saying anything.
Like, they're not protesting.
Dudes would be, like, just sitting there looking at you with their—they're all black.
And it felt like a horde was about to be unleashed.
tim pool
I used to do, like, I used to design games when I was younger.
And when we would create, uh, when you create bad guys, like, in a video game you're playing, right, a bad guy comes to the door and he runs at you.
There's actually, you can't see it, behind this is probably just a big empty space where they drop all of the various bad guys.
And then they have a scripted queue where it's like at this interval with this trigger they come out.
And if you ever glitch through it, they're all just standing there mindlessly doing nothing.
And that's what Ian was describing.
I was like, Dude, sounds like you went into the back area before the, you know, horde mode started and all these dudes just waiting there, not just like getting ready to go.
ian crossland
It was a tweet from Jack Murphy that said, all my MAGA friends get out of DC.
Nothing good is going to come of this.
And I'm not MAGA, but I read that like, I think I'm going to, I think I'm going to.
jorge ventura
Jack Posobiec too was sending tweets like, get out of the city, get out of the city.
tim pool
Well, well, I think it's, uh, certainly this was, uh, not the worst you've ever seen.
jorge ventura
Well it's definitely not the worst but it was the one that I think kind of just shocked me because it was the first time that I've seen actually like children involved in just like elderly couples.
tim pool
Maybe the worst.
jorge ventura
Yeah so I think for that was a shocker and I think I think it'd be good to talk about it now but you know seeing just like that little girl crying and holding on to her sister then the you know her dad pushed on to her and she was just you know in fear for her life you have all these grown adults screaming at them And, you know, to be honest, Tim, that moment took like a mental toll on me because right after that situation happened, then that brutal knockout happened, seeing the guy get stomped out, then seeing the elderly couple get threatened.
You know, for me as a reporter, I think, I don't know, it never really happened to me where it just was like, it was almost like enough was enough.
I was at a point where I was like, I don't even know how much more I could show my audience anymore of what's going on.
And I just, it was just too much for me.
tim pool
You know they attacked a caravan of Trump supporters in New York and I think it was a woman.
She went to a car and pepper sprayed kids.
The kids in the car.
She just started spraying.
That's crazy.
These people are deranged.
So, you know, I think there were people who voted for Joe Biden thinking that things will go back to normal.
Everything's going to go back to normal.
It's not going.
There's no normal.
This stuff's going to get crazier.
jack murphy
Imagine if the only reason you did vote for Biden was to put an end to the unrest.
tim pool
And now you've just gotten rid of the only guy who said, I will stop this.
lydia smith
Exactly.
What's interesting to me is that this is now Joe Biden's America.
If this is your president-elect, this is what your president-elect has come up with.
tim pool
It's not just that.
It's that Joe Biden should have come out and said, I reject this violence on the Trump support.
I'm going to be the president.
No, he didn't do it.
Biden, did he say anything about it?
jorge ventura
Nothing.
tim pool
He's not going to be the president for all Americans.
He's going to be the president for his base.
There's two, as Brian Stelter likes to say of CNN, alternate realities.
Although he said, I'm not going to say alternate reality because they live in fictional reality.
Okay, bro.
I think you live in a fictional reality too.
But it is true, man.
I read the news all day and it really is.
When we talk, Scott Adams puts it better.
It's what do you say?
One screen with two different movies playing at the same time.
jorge ventura
And they're two different Americas.
I've been to both political campaigns and I mean just even the voters it's a completely different America when you're hanging out with each one.
tim pool
You know what?
The left likes to say, oh, Tim talks about civil war too much.
Mother Jones put out an article saying our political civil war will just keep getting worse.
That's Mother Jones.
They're a leftist.
And they're saying political civil war.
OK, well, what do you call it when people are beating like attacking kids and pepper spraying kids?
jack murphy
Here's a question.
for you.
In 1968, did we say there was a civil war afoot when the violence at the Democratic convention?
I'm just wondering.
ian crossland
I was too, because I actually just said to Jorge, it feels like 68.
tim pool
But that's different.
That was the police versus protesters.
We're talking about two different realities where the news on one side is saying Biden is president-elect.
Kamala Harris hasn't even resigned her Senate seat, has she?
No.
jorge ventura
Not that I know of right now.
ian crossland
I think a lot of people hated Nixon.
No, for sure, for sure.
tim pool
And then you had the Kent State shootings.
Things were really, really bad.
jack murphy
The weather underground and the bombings all over college campuses and stuff like that.
And, you know, this is going to continue.
One election of Trump or election of Biden wasn't going to change.
I've been trying to prep people for this, this notion that this is just one small skirmish, the presidency, the election for the president, one small skirmish.
in a conflict that has been going on and building for better, more than 10, 15, 20 years now, is gonna keep going.
These are giant tectonic plates at work.
These are not little things that can be fixed in a minute.
tim pool
So there's this research program called Transparency Tube, where they basically try and sort all the different YouTube channels.
And they say that anti-woke is right-wing.
Meaning, you can be a socialist But as long as you think critical race theory, Antifa, the violence is the worst thing affecting our country, they'll call you right-wing.
That's the current, like... The point is, it seems like nothing makes sense in terms of who's on whose side other than the tribes have been drawn.
jorge ventura
Like I said earlier too, Tim, we're living in the realignment.
Like I said, that moment kind of hit me when I'm on Black Lives Matter Plaza just doing my regular reporting and then I just see all the liberals and everyone just celebrating Joe Biden's victory.
They're popping champagne.
And for me, I was like, you guys are popping champagne for the guy who voted us into the Iraq war.
You know, who was a vocal advocate for that war, then took us from two wars to seven.
I'm like, what is going, what are we watching right now?
Now the right wing is anti-war.
You know, it's just the total realignment that we're living through.
tim pool
It's the weirdest... The people trying to quantify YouTube channels, bless their hearts.
Like, there's no real way to do it.
You can straight up be like, I'm all for universal healthcare, but man, these violent rioters are dangerous, and the critical race theory is a horrible, horrible problem, and they'll be like, that's right-wing.
It's like, so who do I vote for?
Because the Republicans aren't going to be in favor of progressive policy.
It's like, one of the craziest things about it is they said that if you were one-sided on the issue of Brett Kavanaugh or like migrant caravans, and I'm like, so telling the truth about Brett Kavanaugh is right-wing?
That's nuts.
That's where we're at.
jack murphy
Anything that you do to perpetuate the male-dominated patriarchy that's oppressive to women and minorities.
No, that's true, right?
It's like you're either racist or anti-racist.
You're either feminist or you're an anti-feminist.
You're either progressive or you're anti-progressive.
tim pool
Doesn't the natural conclusion of this just become war?
jack murphy
Yes.
ian crossland
Well, I think we're already at war.
When me and you met, it was the first conversation we had that night.
I feel like this is war weariness.
That people are going crazy.
Psychological problems, getting kids, sex changes when they're six years old.
It just seems like people are going psychotic, going nuts.
I think it's because we've been at war for 20 years and we're not talking about it enough.
jorge ventura
It's honestly the full-blown culture war.
tim pool
It's the cultural war.
It's not about... Look, I'm mad about our excursions in the Middle East, but this is about there's been something happening, and it's probably a lack of trust in media, I think, started it.
Conservatives, particularly, knew that they weren't getting fair framing, and that's where it starts.
Framing, right?
So Donald Trump throws the food into the Koi pond, and then everybody makes fun of him, saying, what's he doing?
You're supposed to put a little bit.
What a moron.
Literally, the camera framed it that way, because when you zoomed out and watched the full footage, Trump was just doing what Shinzo Abe was doing.
He just did—he's like, went in Rome, you know?
Oh, he threw the food, and I'll throw the food next.
They framed it a certain way.
So conservatives see that and say, that wasn't true, that was falsely framed.
So they stopped watching.
Now it's getting even crazier where Fox News, their ratings are dropping like crazy.
They're burning subscribers as people move to Newsmax.
Greg Kelly on Newsmax is getting a million viewers at night.
This is rivaling now some of the biggest news networks.
It's massive.
Brian Stelter gets all angry.
He's like, this is a threat to democracy, these disparate realities.
And it's like, Within reason, yes.
I think the bigger threat is that the mainstream media has given up on telling us the truth.
Like, how many of these outlets report on the fact that kids were being attacked in D.C.? ?
jorge ventura
I haven't seen, I'm being honest, I haven't seen it.
tim pool
So people know, if you want to know the truth, you can't go to these networks.
And so naturally, they're going to go to places like Newsmax.
jack murphy
Only some people know that.
jorge ventura
I haven't seen Washington Post even mention not one of those attacks.
jack murphy
And that's why I go out in the streets, man.
That's why you're out there too, is because somebody has to be there to show, to witness.
That's what they confront me on the street.
Whose side do you want?
unidentified
Whose side do you want?
jack murphy
And I'm like, bro, I'm here to witness.
Witness what?
jorge ventura
Like, Tim, if I was out there and there was Trump supporters beating up and stomping Black Lives Matter people, I would show the public, like, hey, this is what Trump supporters are doing.
Yeah, because you're not a political dude.
Yeah, but it wasn't that.
tim pool
See, but, bro, this is what's funny.
When we had you on the first time, you were with the riot squad, right?
So, like, Richie and Shelby.
And you were like, oh, I'm not really political.
I don't know a whole lot about this.
And it's like, bro, if you come out and start saying, man, these leftists were attacking people, boom, you're right wing.
That's it.
Doesn't matter.
jorge ventura
Yeah, I'm already labeled with it, so might as well write a full send.
Right, Jack?
jack murphy
No cap, full send.
tim pool
Let's do this.
Let's jump into this talk about the election, what's going on, because we got a couple bits of breaking news.
The first is that Georgia recount unearthed more than 2,600 uncounted ballots in Floyd County, and it gave a net gain of 800 votes to Donald Trump.
It still leaves Biden in the lead, but this is one county.
I'm not sure these kind of changes are going to be enough to push Trump over the edge.
It's one county again, 800 votes.
Maybe, maybe there's something going on.
We had a story, this is really crazy, out of I think it was New Hampshire, where they did a hand recount and found a 5-6% bump for the Republicans.
The Democrats, 0.5%.
One guy got minus 2.
How does that happen?
Like, what they were saying was, when they started hand recounting, the machine didn't scan some of these ballots.
And so they're like, oh, okay, that makes sense.
Just so happened that they were ten times more Republican than Democrat, and somehow a Democrat, the machine scanned more votes for the Democrat when they weren't for the Democrat?
Why is it always going in one direction?
Right?
That's what's getting weird.
But apparently, I saw someone in the chat say this, Trump tweeted something out.
Adam Paul Lixalt, let's see, is he gonna tell us who this guy is?
He's a verified Twitter user, said, the Clark County Commission just threw out an election that represents almost one-sixth of the total votes cast in Clark County because there were too many discrepancies to be sure that the results in that election can be certain.
153,000 votes in this election.
So I'm not sure if that's the presidential one or what that is, but Trump says, big victory moments ago in the state of Nevada, the all-Democrat County Commissioner race on the same ballot as President Just thrown out because of large-scale voter discrepancy.
Clark County officials do not have confidence in their own election security.
This is crazy.
Megan Messerly says, Clark County Register Joe Gloria on the Clark County Commission District C race, quote, we have found discrepancies that we can't explain that would cast a doubt on whether or not that margin of victory is solid.
If that's in the same ballot for president, What about all those votes?
You can't just say one of the votes didn't make sense.
The ballots themselves are in question.
lydia smith
So, can I just check with you?
If I did the math correctly, and it turns out that all of these ballots are wrong, and they're 5.6% in Trump's favor, would that not be, like, a massive victory for him?
tim pool
Yes.
Okay.
If what we see in this New Hampshire race, where the Republicans got a big boost, around 5%, it was only several hundred votes, because it was, you know, very small, you know, small area, small communities, relatively small.
But if that translate even half, if Trump got 2% across the board on average, oh, landslide easily.
He'd win like a ton of states.
He'd win all the swing states.
jack murphy
In my book about 2016 election, I interviewed somebody who worked as a, she was in the Democratic Party at the time and she caucused for Bernie.
And she described to me all of the nonsense that went on in Clark County.
Clark County is like, Gangster Central when it comes to elections, dude.
Like Bernie's office got shot up that year.
What?
Yeah, look it up.
tim pool
Bernie's office?
jack murphy
Jamie, fact check me!
Yeah, yeah.
Bernie's office got shot up in 2016 in Clark County.
There was basically like a riot on the floor of the state level caucus for president.
They think they, they, those folks claimed that they like shut down all the parking lots in the whole area.
They wouldn't let casino workers off work that day.
So they could go caucus.
They made it very difficult.
They changed the rules of the caucus on the floor with like, there was all kinds of things that went on Clark County.
They hustle to get the votes that they want.
jorge ventura
Sounds like it.
jack murphy
They really do. Clark County is actually, you know, Las Vegas was was seeded by people from the east, right? Like
casinos and gangsters and stuff.
So no shocker there, really.
It's just like East Coast corruption exported out to the West.
ian crossland
Yeah. And that's voter suppression.
And then then we got Sidney Powell coming in hard with Dominion, which would be considered, I guess you'd call
that fraud.
So there's like suppression, fraud, there's discrepancy.
tim pool
Democrats actually wrote a letter to Dominion in December of 2019, concerned about the potential for voter fraud, notably switching votes.
So this has long been known about.
The Democrats were actually setting it up to challenge it if they lost.
Now that it's looking like Joe Biden, they're mum's the word, not going to say anything.
jack murphy
Was it, was it just a meme that I saw, but was it just like a fake Dominion logo?
Because, okay, that was fake.
It was hysterical.
It said like Dominion changing the way people vote or something like that.
And then there was like red ones going in and blue ones coming out.
unidentified
It looked like it could have been a legit logo.
jack murphy
It was really funny.
lydia smith
I had to look it up because I was like, this can't be real.
It's only the red one going in.
There's not a blue one coming.
jack murphy
That's the worst.
tim pool
Oh snap.
So check this out. Trump is tweeting about Clark County.
They're saying there's a hundred, hundred and fifty three thousand votes in this, in this
county. It's a Democrat county, right? Is that what you're saying? Uh, you know, I don't
jack murphy
know, but I think it is.
tim pool
I think Trump was saying that, right?
jack murphy
We just read it.
tim pool
So if they throw this out, it's gonna be Trump wins Nevada.
jack murphy
That would be amazing.
tim pool
But what they're saying is, so I've got this tweet thread from Megan Messerly.
She is the NV Indy, a reporter.
She says, Clark County Registrar Joe Gloria notes that the only race they have an issue with is the Commission District C race because of the 10-vote margin.
That's the only race in the entire election we have any concern related to the outcome, and it's because of the margin.
Clark County Commissioner Tick Segerblom is pressing the point that if there is a recount, the same discrepancies would still be present.
A recount does not address those discrepancies.
They're now discussing the fact that Clark County could set up a special election for just one particular race.
To rerun the election if it doesn't certify the results.
It sounds like there are essentially two routes.
Either the Clark County Commission could make a decision on the revote today or they could certify the results of the election.
Stavros Anthony takes the matter to court and a court could order a revote.
Clark County Registrar Joe Gloria says there is no election that goes without identified discrepancies.
The issue here is the margin of victory.
Gloria says they go through to ensure the discrepancies are smaller than the margin of victory, which isn't true in this case.
Clark County Commissioner Larry Brown is now amending his motion asking the Clark County Register to come back at their first meeting in December with options for a special election in the race.
Gloria says the cost of a special election depends on how the election is held.
Yadda, yadda, yadda.
Then they say Clark County Commissioner, uh, Commission Chair Malin, Marilyn Kirkpatrick.
What is going to happen to the people who voted twice?
I hope that we're going to go after them, she says.
Gloria says the cases will be referred to the SOS for investigation.
People voted twice?
She's saying that people voted twice?
Okay then.
Why would it only be an issue with one race?
Is there something I'm missing?
Who said this?
Trump said this, right?
That on the same ballot as the president, and this guy Adam Laxalt says 153,000 votes in this election.
How can they keep any of those ballots if one of those races gets thrown out?
That's gotta be grounds for a legal team to be like, dude, no way.
If they're saying they're throwing out one race because someone voted twice, the whole thing's gotta be dirty.
What do you do?
Do you re-vote?
Nevada can't be certified.
jack murphy
There's a lot of smoke.
But you know, it's funny.
I mean, and not to put a wet blanket on any of this.
tim pool
I just got to stop you real quick.
Twitter didn't flag Trump's tweet.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
This tweet from Trump is not flagged.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
Yep.
unidentified
Just below it, Trump says, let's not fall into that trap.
jack murphy
Let's not fall into that trap of letting Twitter inform us as what's legit or not.
tim pool
That's not the issue.
The issue is, Twitter is willing to flag any and everything.
jack murphy
True.
tim pool
But they couldn't do this one.
jack murphy
Right.
tim pool
Because this one's legit.
lydia smith
It's blatantly true.
tim pool
So, so listen, listen, here's what I'm saying.
jack murphy
And the New Hampshire one too, was it?
tim pool
Twitter, Twitter set the standard.
If Twitter wants to be the arbiter of truth here, well, okay, Twitter, you got me.
You're the one who gets the flag misinformation.
This one's not flagged.
It must be true.
lydia smith
Boom.
Done.
tim pool
End of story.
jorge ventura
That is true.
jack murphy
Every election, there's stuff like this going on.
And if you took a deep look, you would find discrepancies and double countings and mail-in ballot fraud and all kinds of stuff in every election that ever happened, ever.
That being said, this is the one that really matters to me.
unidentified
So I say we dig in really deep and take a look.
tim pool
But this would flip Nevada for Trump.
It's still not enough.
Trump needs three states.
I'm you know, it's really funny, man.
I don't know if you guys see the Jesse Waters segment he did on the election.
He says it something doesn't feel right.
Biden wasn't campaigning.
He was hiding in the basement, calling lids for for a week disappearing.
And all of a sudden now he's up.
Something doesn't feel right.
jack murphy
The biggest vote total in the history of more than all of the Obama.
lydia smith
This is something I do not understand.
Like, why?
How did he do nothing and then come out?
jorge ventura
The only thing that I could maybe add, Tim, just from being on the ground, is before the George Floyd situation happened, when I would interview people on the left, you know, obviously a lot of people are Bernie supporters, Bernie voters.
When I would say, hey, would you be voting for Biden in this upcoming election?
They would all say, absolutely not.
We're going to either hold our vote, kind of like the way they did in 2016.
Then as soon as the George Floyd thing happened, all these progressives said, we're basically just going to be voting for Biden because he's not Trump.
So I'm not saying that one reason went over 70, but I think one thing that wasn't talked about in mainstream news, and I think you can't really pull it, was there was a Black Lives Matter vote.
There were people that literally voted off just that issue.
Nothing else.
tim pool
Black Lives Matter net support is lower now than it was last year, according to Civics.
Polling of hundreds of thousands of people found that just before the George Floyd incident, their net support was around 10 or so percent, meaning compared to opposition.
So all in all, I think the total support in the country was just under 40 or so percent or something like that.
No, I think it was like 47.
It skyrocketed after George Floyd and then plummeted after the riots.
So their net support has actually dropped.
jorge ventura
So I'm not... It dropped almost like 10 points just in the state of Wisconsin with the whole Kenosha situation.
tim pool
So I'm not convinced that was the driver, but I do think it's fair to say people don't like Trump.
There's a lot of people who don't like the guy.
And I talked to my friends and they don't know anything about politics, but they know everything about pop culture.
So they're like, I just don't like this man.
The only thing they know is, you know, Kim Kardashian sold something and they know like Kanye wanted to run for president.
And then they heard about Trump and said, Trump is bad.
And so they, they go and vote.
They go and vote.
jack murphy
They never watched The Apprentice?
tim pool
No, I guess not.
ian crossland
Did you ever follow up on the guy that was running or training for the Olympics that got voted for?
tim pool
So that, this is a story that appeared on Laura Ingram, where a guy who was training for the Olympics got called by what's the voter integrity fund, the guy, Matt Brainerd.
jack murphy
Oh yeah.
Oh yeah.
Okay.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack murphy
What happened with that?
tim pool
So they call this dude, his name is Nashon Garrett.
He's training for the Olympics in Tennessee.
He's from Arizona, but he moved there five months ago, changed his address, voted in Tennessee, because he's going to be in the Olympics.
This guy is not some random dude who got a phone call.
This guy's got a Wikipedia entry.
He's a well-known college wrestler.
He's apparently really good.
So he appeared on Laura Ingraham.
He said he got a phone call from the Voter Integrity Fund asking if he had requested a mail-in ballot in Arizona.
Well, no, of course not.
I'm in Tennessee.
Did you vote?
No, I voted in Tennessee.
jack murphy
Boom.
So who did it?
I'm interviewing Matt Brainerd again on Thursday.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
jack murphy
They told me, I talked to his people today.
They told me they've got a lot of stuff to report.
They're feeling very good about their results.
I don't know if it's going to be hundreds of thousands or whatever, but you know, if it's 10, 20, 30, you get guys like this, a prominent, free certification, legit person.
jorge ventura
Yeah, definitely a prominent.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
He's got a Wikipedia page, man, for his, but look, there's, there's standards.
Not that Wikipedia is a good, the best source, especially right now, but there are standards for what qualifies.
This guy is a college wrestler.
Who's won a bunch of things in generated press because of it.
And he's going to be in, he's training for the, he's going to be in the Olympics.
I'm assuming.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
So this is like, this is the kind of guy that could be on a Wheaties box.
jorge ventura
We had that thing on Twitter just a couple of days ago, the whole Maidengate.
tim pool
And I don't know, I don't know enough about that though.
jorge ventura
And it was like, just turning on Twitter, it was this one kind of like activist journalist found out like if you're a woman and if you were previously married in another state in this whole situation and it's, it's just compiling.
tim pool
So I'm careful with that stuff.
jorge ventura
Yeah, I am too.
tim pool
It's just too much random Twitter people.
She got zapped for that.
But more importantly, if we see on the Voter Integrity Fund, they're doing phone calls, right?
They've already reported they've found thousands, like in each state, of people who changed their addresses to different states but still voted.
Here's the crazy thing.
So this is the kind of thing where it's like we have definitive proof.
Tweets, I can't really do much with, right?
But check this out.
If this dude, Nashawn Garrett, I think, yeah, right?
If he didn't vote and he's publicly saying, wasn't me, somebody voted in my name and it wasn't me.
Think about all of these numbers because Matt Brainerd said they found like 8,000, 10,000, 14,000 in each of these states.
You may have moved because of COVID, but then you're still registered, and it was only a few months ago you moved, right?
So the mail-in ballot comes to your mailbox, somebody sends it in.
But the crazy thing is, in some of these states, you had to request it.
Nevada, I believe, was the only swing state that was universal mail-in ballots, where they just sent them all out.
jorge ventura
California, too.
They just sent him all out.
tim pool
And the courts just ruled against Newsom, saying he wasn't allowed to do that.
jorge ventura
Yeah, I just interviewed Kevin Kiley, who's the Republican lawmaker in California who's really fighting Newsom.
It seems like he's getting a lot of momentum, and we'll see what happens with all that, but at least we have someone in California sticking up for him.
jack murphy
Let's put one thing to rest.
It is obvious, seeing how Sidney Powell has mobilized, seeing how Lin Wood has mobilized, seeing how Brainerd has mobilized, seeing how there's a giant crowdsourcing effort underway, None of them were prepared for this beforehand.
There is no credence to any story that Trump has laid some trap and that he was mega prepared and he had all this lined up and was ready to go.
Zero.
Because the people who are doing the work right now should have been, if there was, should have been contacted before, should have been prepared.
Brainerd had a vacation scheduled with his wife and family.
He had to cancel it.
jorge ventura
His wife was really mad.
jack murphy
I know, but you know what?
I'm keeping it real, you know, I'm keeping it real.
And like, you know, that's, that's, that's on brand for me.
And so like, but that isn't there.
That wasn't there.
That pre-work wasn't there.
That's not to say this isn't real, but it wasn't a trap.
lydia smith
So what you're saying is, don't trust the plan.
unidentified
And what you're saying is that they didn't really know in advance.
tim pool
I've heard too much where I'm like, dude, they think Trump's playing, you know, 12th dimensional chess.
It's full on string theory for Trump, you know, M-theory.
No, look, man.
They've got their plans.
They say they're getting evidence.
I say, bring it on.
I look forward to seeing it.
But I'll tell you this.
It comes and goes in waves a bit, right?
So they announced that Biden wins, and I'm like, wow, I guess is that it?
No one's saying anything?
I'm like, I guess they're calling it for Biden.
But then all of a sudden we start seeing these weird things pop up.
Sworn affidavits, whistleblower from the post office, poll watchers are saying, I can't see anything.
And it starts to get weird, like, oh, maybe Trump might have something.
Now we're seeing that the Supreme Court's not gonna take up one of his claims.
A bunch of other citizen lawsuits got thrown out.
And it's hard to know exactly if Trump's gonna be able to pull something, you know, pull off this, like, last-ditch Hail Mary.
But then you get this story about this Clark County Commission.
I have to imagine Trump's lawyers are immediately filing full-speed, like, throw the whole thing out.
It's 153k votes.
But I'll tell you what the craziest thing was.
When I woke up this morning, it was actually last night I think I saw this story, but this morning, Story.
Donald Trump drops key claim from his lawsuit that 700,000 ballots were compromised by a lack of poll watching.
And I went, wow.
I saw this.
I said, that's it.
That's that was that's the only way Trump wins Pennsylvania.
He's dropping this from his suit.
Well, certainly Trump must be done right.
Turns out, it was a lie.
Like, Washington Post just straight up lied.
And Politico wrote the story saying, Trump drops key claim from lawsuit or pulls back.
And I'm reading, it's like, now that Trump is no longer going after this claim, he won't be able to flip enough votes to win Pennsylvania.
And then I open the lawsuit, and Rudy Giuliani tweets about it.
He says, go read it.
It's in there.
It's all in there.
They didn't take any of it out.
Why did Politico, Washington Post, Daily Mail, all of these outlets just publish Like the most insanely fake news I've ever seen.
Listen, I read fake news.
I see it all the time.
What they do is framing devices because they want to make sure they can say, oh, well, actually, you look at Covington, right?
The Covington kids on the stairs of the Lincoln Memorial.
And you've got this video and you say, well, there was a video, so we thought it was correct.
That's how they try and get away with it.
This story, you could literally just read the document and it says there was not meaningful access.
682,000 votes were cast without access.
So they're calling for PA to be, they're calling for injunctive relief to stop the certification process because there is no other meaningful relief.
You can't throw the ballots out.
What do we do?
It was in violation of the election code in Pennsylvania.
I wonder, why did all of these outlets come out and claim Trump gave up?
Trump's dropping the key component, that's it, he's got nothing left, it's over.
Is it to try and convince people that Trump is not gonna pull this off, that Trump is losing?
I tell you this, to quote Michael Malice, if they weren't losing, they wouldn't, let me try it again, if they weren't losing, the propaganda wouldn't be necessary.
lydia smith
Exactly.
tim pool
That's what Michael said.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Now, of course, propaganda, they always use it, but I gotta tell you, man, this is the freakiest thing, to read all of these articles from all these different news websites, Straight up fake.
jack murphy
But dude, dude, dude, the, the tax story, right?
unidentified
Right.
jack murphy
It says like $750 paid, but then you read the actual article and even down at the bottom, it's like, oh yeah, Trump actually prepaid 5.6 million, millions of millions of dollars, basically made an interest free loan to the federal government.
And at this point didn't have to pay because he had already prepaid, but they don't ever talk about it in the headlines.
tim pool
Right, right.
So the New York Times puts out this story about Donald Trump's taxes.
Never verified it.
We have no idea if they actually have any tax documents.
Trump says they don't.
It says in the beginning Trump only paid $750.
Then, like you said, you go down, it says actually Trump paid $1 million in 2016 and $4.2 million in 2017 as a holdover for potential liabilities.
That trick is a framing device, okay?
So that's not on the level we're seeing now.
jack murphy
Yes, yes.
tim pool
What they did was they're like, well, he paid, he only, well, we meant he paid his bill of $7.50, but he did pay.
So they're doing a semantic argument, right?
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
With this over Trump's lawsuit, they come out and they were like, hey, everybody, Trump gave up.
Trump gave up.
His lawsuit's over.
He can't win anymore.
ian crossland
Are they news guarded?
tim pool
Yes, all of them.
lydia smith
Of course they are.
ian crossland
Will they lose news guard status?
Nope, of course not.
unidentified
Absolutely not.
tim pool
Why not?
Should they?
Yes.
lydia smith
Yes and yes.
tim pool
This is crazy.
ian crossland
Yo, we should build a fact-checking network, like you've been talking about, but also a context-checking network.
When they show videos, and if it's only like a 17-second, be like, this is missing context.
That'd be so awesome.
tim pool
How could this possibly be negligence when all you have to do is click the document from Trump, from his website, and scroll down?
It took me a minute!
And I read Rudy Giuliani tweets.
Read paragraphs 132 to 150.
And I'm like, okay.
And I clicked it and I read it and I'm like, sounds like they're saying 682,000 votes were counted without watchers in violation of election code and thus there's no meaning for leave other than injunction.
Makes sense.
Then I look at all these articles and I'm second guessing myself.
Because I'm thinking, what am I getting wrong here?
What am I missing on this?
How could all of these outlets say this?
jack murphy
Was there a technical thing, like he withdrew a motion for X, but they're actually taking Y avenue?
tim pool
Politico straight up said, by dropping this, Trump will no longer be able to overturn enough votes to claim Pennsylvania.
unidentified
Got it.
jack murphy
That's insane.
tim pool
He wasn't even trying to, he was calling for us to free certification, an injunction.
jack murphy
I saw a headline, our front page, it was either New York Times or Washington Post that says like, something, something, something, despite no evidence of fraud.
None.
unidentified
None.
jack murphy
Zero.
Not caveated, not widespread, not anything.
And this is, this is why it's impossible to talk to your old friends.
This is why it's impossible to go on Facebook and talk to people you knew from high school because they, dude, CNN seems legit.
Dude, New York Times seems legit.
Washington Post seems legit.
jorge ventura
Tim, we literally have a part of the country who looks at Trump as literally Hitler.
This guy is literally Hitler.
I don't know where we go forward.
jack murphy
I feel bad for them.
I have empathy for these people because they've been brainwashed.
Just like I said last time on here, they've been beaten over the head, they've been abused, they've been tortured by their own party, and now they're just dancing like little scared marionettes.
jorge ventura
I think we're winning.
Yeah, that one journalist from CNN, she just did her whole monologue on how Trump is basically Hitler and we're living in... Oh yeah, Christiane Amanpour.
jack murphy
Dude, I remember when I thought she was the most legitimate, authentic, you could trust her No, no, no.
jorge ventura
Dude, dude, dude.
tim pool
You could trust them for the most part before, but there was always, because it was always about if they're in control, then they can make sure you're getting the narrative and it's like, you're getting the information is fine.
Is it anything outside of their control was worrisome?
Now, they've lost control.
That's why I think the good guys are winning.
You know, like Michael Malice was saying as we did the show with Alex Jones, this is why we know the good guys are winning, that these conversations can happen, or a conversation like this, because they are so desperate.
These political activists, these authoritarian, you know, anti-speech individuals, They're so desperate.
They're putting out stories that are so insanely, obviously fake.
But it's because they... What do they do?
People are starting to realize that Trump actually does have legal plans.
There may actually be evidence.
And I'll tell you this.
If they didn't do this story, I'd have thought Trump was going to lose.
Because I've been saying it for a long time.
I think Joe Biden is very likely going to be the next president.
jorge ventura
And Tim, that headline got me.
I read it on Twitter and I was like, fuck.
tim pool
But listen, the fact that they would say something so brazen says to me, somebody's scared.
Because look, which I don't understand is that these news outlets, not every single journalist is a political activist, but there are political activists there.
I'll give you a good example.
Politico wrote a story in, I think it was January of 2017, about Ukrainian meddling in the U.S.
election and how the Ukrainians were desperate, now that Trump had won, to make amends.
Later on, when this became big news with the impeachment, Politico ran another story claiming there never was Ukrainian interference in the election, which is really strange because they were the ones who reported it.
So are you going to retract?
They didn't retract.
So Politico is simultaneously running a story saying Ukrainians meddled and were trying to make amends with Trump and Ukrainians never meddled.
It's fake news.
Because the person who wrote the fake news, that Ukrainian meddling was fake news, is the activist.
An individual who's got a contract with MSNBC, writing a story that supports the political narrative.
So I'm not saying there's a grand conspiracy where like it's Mockingbird, you know, and the journalists were hired by the CIA.
I'm saying these people get these jobs because they are Democrats.
They want Democrats to win.
And then they say, I'm a journalist.
But the Democrats are always right.
ian crossland
But Operation Mockingbird was a real thing in the seventies and before, when the CIA would hire and pay journalists to write pro-American propaganda.
And for all we know, it's still going on.
They said they stopped doing it.
jorge ventura
Well, if I could even add, for those who remember during these times, let's not forget the New York Times pushed the Iraq War even after we find out that it was a quagmire.
Then the New York Times comes out, oh, well maybe it wasn't as bad as we thought and there was no weapons of mass destruction.
Like, come on.
You had editors pushing this thing.
tim pool
Check this out.
Pull this up from Politico.
Ukrainian efforts to sabotage Trump backfire.
Kiev officials are scrambling to make amends with the president-elect after quietly working to boost Clinton.
From January 11th, 2017, let's jump forward a couple years, to November 8th, 2019, Ukraine didn't interfere in 2016, Trump officials testified.
Okay.
Perhaps the qualifier there is Trump officials testified.
So is Politico now going to retract their article and say we're bad at what we do and we write fake news?
lydia smith
They're not.
tim pool
Nope.
So either way, these news organizations are garbage.
jack murphy
Okay, so the structural element here that is leading us to this conclusion that the cultural war is not going to be over in this election, but yet is going to persist on further, is the fact that we have no national social cohesion.
And that comes from the internet and social media.
Instead of one voice, Walter Cronkite telling everybody how to feel every night, what to think, what the story is.
One to many, just like your professor to the crowd, like the preacher to the audience, to the flock.
Now we've got many speaking to many, creating narratives that fit with all of our different genetic makeup and backgrounds and histories.
Why would we all be ready for one narrative?
I don't know.
Now that there's a million narratives, narratives make you feel good.
They make you feel sane.
They make you feel like you understand the world.
They make you feel like you know who's on your team.
That's how we join teams, is by having a common shared knowledge, a common imagined order in their mind.
And that's a narrative.
And now there's a million narratives, there's going to be a million tribes, and there's no cohesion.
tim pool
So what do you think happens after everything we saw with these Trump supporters getting attacked?
If Trump does, let's say they nullify this election, 153, maybe they won't do it.
Because what do you do?
Do you disenfranchise all these voters?
I don't know.
jack murphy
I really don't know.
tim pool
But what the Trump campaign has said in their lawsuit is, injunction against certification because of the discrepancies, because of the problems.
Only way you can do it.
State legislation.
Imagine if Pennsylvania and Nevada are now, they can't be certified.
Joe Biden drops down, I think, what is that?
31 electoral votes.
That's not a problem.
There's certainly evidence.
think six to knock Joe Biden down under 270.
That's not a one more state.
And then what do you think happens if Trump does?
It's not about it's not about all of this evidence of voter fraud. That's a lot of Trump supporters don't don't
understand. There's certainly evidence.
There's this one affidavits.
There's like the weird mathematical anomalies.
I think the biggest evidence comes from Matt Brainerd when he found people who changed their addresses but still had
voted or nation Garrett who says I did not vote.
That's like the best evidence we have so far.
They keep adding qualifiers to it though.
Substantial voter fraud.
Widespread voter fraud.
If you find a marked bill, okay?
If there's a guy walking on the street and he buys a coffee with a marked hundred dollar bill, like it's got blue ink on it, you're gonna be like, where'd you get that?
We just had a bank robbery.
Now someone's trying to spend the money from the robbed bank.
It's only one bill out of the how many they stole.
You're gonna get detained and asked for questions, you know, and they're gonna question you and try and find more evidence.
And maybe you stumbled upon it, maybe it flew out of a car, but they're gonna want to know why you had it.
So if we hear one dude says, I did not vote.
Well, now we got to go and figure out who else maybe didn't vote, investigate this.
jack murphy
That's the thing.
This is an audit.
Basically what we're doing is a forensic audit.
We're taking a sample size and then trying to see if we need to take more action.
You just take a sample, you study it, and if the percentages say it's enough to warrant further action, you take further action.
lydia smith
So that's how it should be.
Like, they brought up the concept of two different people that President Trump said were dead that were not.
And they were like, see?
This never happens.
But it doesn't go the other way.
tim pool
Actually, it's worse than that.
lydia smith
If there were two examples of people who said that they didn't vote but they actually got their ballots mailed in for them, they don't consider that.
They don't take that like an audit.
tim pool
It's actually much worse than that.
There was Fleckas.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
You guys know Fleckas?
He put out this list of 10,000 people he says are dead.
So, I think it was USA Today.
I can't remember which organization did a fact check.
and they said we grabbed a sample of 30 or so you know around 30 and went through to figure out if
these people were actually dead and what we found was while we couldn't contact every single one
because they're dead maybe here's the best part they said we were able to find that some of these
people simply had the same name as their parents or their their birthday was entered wrong and in
one instance one of the voters was actually dead so i'm like wait wait wait wait wait wait hold on
If you pull 30 out of 10,000 and find one.
Okay.
Divide the 10,000 by 30.
Is that how many dead voters actually voted?
unidentified
Okay.
Take that 10,000 into the media bros accidentally tell the truth.
tim pool
It's framing.
If you tell me you did a random audit and found one of the things, one of the, one of those actually was really dead.
Doesn't that raise alarm bells?
lydia smith
Yeah, sure should.
tim pool
Turns out we grabbed a random sample and actually found a dead voter.
I read that and I'm like, how is it that they glossed over that fact?
Well, it's because most of the ones we found were actually alive.
Okay, great.
How about you do an audit of the full 10,000?
Tell me how many dead voters there are.
lydia smith
Well, it's like you said in the past, if this happens even one time, this is something that we have to consider.
tim pool
Like I said, a bank gets robbed, and then you see a dude trying to spend a marked bill, you're gonna be like, hey buddy, where'd you get that?
And then you might actually, you get a warrant.
We're gonna search your vehicle because we saw that a cop walks by, he looks in the car and he sees the bill, and then, well, you still gotta get a warrant for it.
But like, let's see, you go to someone's house and they see in the window there's, you know, blue ink on a shirt.
They're gonna be like, That's evidence.
It's a sign or indication that something may be true.
They then get a warrant, do an investigation, go in the house, and hey, maybe they don't find anything.
Maybe the guy just bought blue ink because he wanted to be like David Cross from Resident Development or something.
Or maybe they go in and find big ol' bags of cash.
This is the craziest thing.
They keep saying, Trump has given no proof of widespread voter fraud.
Did Trump deploy, like, 300,000 federal agents across the country to audit every single election?
unidentified
No!
tim pool
Then of course you're not gonna find— That's the trick they do.
That's the wordplay.
Trump has found evidence, and even the minor evidence presented, like the Nevada poll worker, said straight up, this weird thing happened where they came out of a Biden van, had a box of ballots or something.
And she went on Laura Ingraham and said this.
The guy, Nashon Garrett, saying, I did not vote.
Those are signs or indications that fraud has occurred.
Now we have to stop, send in the investigators to see if there is widespread voter fraud.
It makes you wonder when Trump's legal team got threatened into quitting.
You saw this Porter Wright, I think it's called Porter Wright and Morris LLP, were harassed by the Lincoln Project and then abruptly withdrew from their case in Pennsylvania.
They were putting out the phone numbers and email address of their lawyers targeting their clients.
That's not something honest actors do.
If you think you're going to win and Trump, they keep saying Trump's lawsuits are frivolous and a waste of time.
What a crazy waste of time.
jack murphy
Then let them play out.
tim pool
Then why is the press lying about them?
And why are they attacking, like threatening and harassing the legal teams that are filing these suits?
jorge ventura
Disgusting.
jack murphy
Disgusting.
ian crossland
We are not in control.
with the US diplomat that admits to telling Commander-in-Chief lies about troop levels
in Syria.
I think that there's something going on here.
Why were they lying to the President about the levels of troops in Syria when he wanted
tim pool
to withdraw?
We are not in control.
The American people lost control a long time ago.
This was the most infuriating thing.
I tell you, man, when I read this story, I almost punched a hole in my monitor.
Donald Trump wanted to withdraw our troops from Syria, and U.S.
officials lied to him and us about how many troops we have in Syria.
And then all the Democrats and Republicans were like, Trump, Trump, you can't withdraw all of our troops from Syria.
Leave in a certain number.
So Trump agreed, okay, we'll leave in 200.
Trump famously then holds a press conference where he's like, they want us to guard the oil.
So we're going to keep 200, you know, soldiers there to guard the oil.
Turns out, there's way more.
Way more people on the ground.
And they lied.
And the crazy thing is how the left gloats and is laughing about it.
The American people voted for a president who said, I am going to get our troops out of these forever wars.
And the American people want that to happen.
So they lied to the president, they lied to us, and my mind is blown that after I saw that, I posted on Facebook to all the people who voted for Joe Biden, after everything the Obama administration did, getting us into more foreign entanglements, more conflict in North Africa and the Middle East, I hope the blood of these dead children weighs heavy on your conscience every night you go to sleep because you voted for this.
I voted for Obama the first time I learned my lesson and then I walked away because that was
insane. Now we get Donald Trump and he was not good in his first few years. He hired Bolton. I
say it all the time. What a dumb move. But Trump started making good moves on foreign policy.
Now what happens? They lie and then they justify it. They laugh. And all of these people on the
left, I posted this on Facebook saying when I said this really shocking thing, sure, they were like,
well, Trump should have known.
I'm like, why are you defending the warmongers who blow up kids?
Trump tried to get them out, they lied.
unidentified
Well, Trump should, he, well, Trump is bad.
jack murphy
So when I was on here last time, we talked about this.
We talked about how the Trump administration had fired some people over at Department of Defense and they had installed some of their Trump loyalists over there.
And we joked around saying, is this like a head counting exercise?
What's going on?
I think the headline on that talk was, is there a coup coming?
We were joking around about that.
So I called my guys.
I have some sources in the White House and I talked to them and they told me and they assured me 100% that the entire reason that they have made these personnel changes at the
Department of Defense is to ensure that the president's orders are faithfully carried out and
executed to his desire within the law and with the intent of the people that voted him into office to
remedy what is happening in Syria and to try to end the wars and try to get our people out and to do
what was ordered from the beginning.
But he was thwarted by the deep state.
And you know, it's not a, it's not a conspiracy theory.
The bureaucratic state, the deep state, they have their own agendas.
They have their own plans and they are the ones that are in control.
The people in the field can lie.
They can say the troops are there.
They're not there.
And so they put people now into these positions to make sure that the president's orders are faithfully executed.
I wish it would have happened years ago.
He's been, he's been freaking, you know, C blocked the whole way.
He's been totally stymied and everything, but now he's really trying to make that happen.
And if he can do that, that's wonderful.
But it's also just an example of how corrupt the deep state is,
how corrupt the moneyed military interests are, how corrupt our foreign policy is.
And Trump, he gets a bad rap.
But doesn't he?
He has shown consistent sympathy for children and consistent
in some cases, I suppose, and consistently wanting to end war.
jorge ventura
And it was just, if I could just say, it was just for me just kind of sitting back.
But it was just disgusting to see all the mainstream media and journalists just like laughing about it.
Almost like it was an inside joke.
And it's just like, it's, it's, it's our middle-class Americans that we send to those wars to go fight for you guys.
And you guys just could sit back and laugh and make all this money.
It's absolutely sick.
And it's just sick to see, you know, Joe Biden out here toting, you know, black lives matter.
But what about the black kids that you bombed in the middle East all those years, you know, you took us two to five, you know, from two to seven wars.
Think about the amount of money we spend to do all that, while everyone's been complaining about what's going on in Flint, Michigan.
I bring it up every time, it's the perfect example.
When like, dude, it's our American brothers and sisters are over there, man.
tim pool
Think about the amount of money we spend to do all that while everyone's been complaining
about what's going on in Flint, Michigan.
I bring it up every time.
It's the perfect example.
Have we, we haven't solved the problem of the water crisis in Flint.
Yet you've got people laughing about how they lied to the American people to keep troops
Who wanted to go to Syria?
Obama did.
For the Qatar-Turkey pipeline, and because we have proxy wars over natural gas and other resources.
Look, I totally get it.
These people want to, you know, make good money, and it's good for America and everybody.
But is it worth destabilizing the entire region, creating space for ISIS?
Okay, we should not have been involved in this.
You look at these photos, man, from Syria, these photos from Aleppo.
There are ancient structures, there are thousands of years of ancient history.
But more than that, the lives of these families, if you look at these beautiful photos from Aleppo before the war, and then you look at after the war, and it's rubble, chaos, and death.
That's what they wanted, and for what?
I'll tell you this.
These people think we're going to get our pipeline through Syria, through Turkey.
We're going to make cheap gas available for the people in Europe.
And that sounds an awful lot like what the left would call white supremacy, isn't it?
They created a refugee crisis where people are fleeing on what's called the Eastern Mediterranean route in boats that are flipping over, capsizing.
Kids are dying, washing up on shore.
And they say, oh, this problem.
And I was there.
I talked to some of these refugees.
I talked to these people.
And it seems like every single time they try and manipulate me To give them support for these crises, they never want to actually solve them, they want to make them worse.
So I tell you this, is it good for America if we get our natural gas in Europe, offset the Russian monopoly?
Oh, it'll be great for us!
Is it worth all of the dead and displaced and the chaos and the destruction?
Absolutely not!
But this is what we get when you have a bureaucratic class that runs the government.
It doesn't matter who you elect.
The Democrats and the Republicans, the rhinos and the dinos, just want the keys to the castle.
You vote for me, I win the contest, then I sit back and pretend like I'm doing something.
When Trump said, I want to get our troops out of the Middle East, what happens?
You get all of these Democrats and Republicans saying, no, you can't do it.
Even Mitch McConnell's like, no, you can't do it.
Our ally's in the region.
Shut up.
This is what the American people want, and they voted for Trump for a reason.
jorge ventura
That's why a lot of the establishment, Tim, on both sides are actually happy with a Joe Biden presidency, because then life in Washington goes back to the status quo, you know, back to more wars, big business, everyone's making money, the middle class keeps getting shrunk, our manufacturing jobs keep getting shipped to China, and our suicide rate and our opioid problems in middle America keep going.
tim pool
This country is being extracted.
Dylan Rattigan said it.
I think it was seven years ago.
In 2013.
You see this famous rant where he said it's being extracted through trade, a bunch of other things.
But this is what we get.
Joe Biden says we're going to increase the corporate tax rate.
The Obama administration wanted us in the Trans-Pacific Partnership, a free trade agreement with Pacific countries, namely China.
That means that you put a factory in China, you can send all the goods back to America free of charge, so you can use cheap sweatshop labor with no health insurance, no minimum wage, and the people in China are working at the Foxconn factories in such horrifying conditions, they walk off, they put suicide nets up around the building.
That's what Joe Biden and the Obama administration were supporting.
ian crossland
China wasn't in the first TPP, oddly enough.
Really?
Yeah, 13 Pacific countries, but China wasn't one of them, although they've reformatted a new Pacific partnership with now Canada, and China's in this one.
So here's what happens.
They're trying to get us into that.
tim pool
What do you think happens when you increase the corporate tax rate to 39.6%, up from, I think, like 28?
Then you say, we're going to increase the minimum wage to $15, but anything you make overseas can come right back to this country free of charge.
lydia smith
Yeah, why would they stay in the US?
tim pool
Every company's gonna be like, okay, then we'll go to China.
Like, is that what you want us to do?
And they're gonna do it.
And that means good-paying middle-class jobs gone.
The rich get richer, the poor get poorer.
And now we got COVID.
Now we got the lockdowns coming back.
And Fauci is saying a year.
Quarter three of 2021 until we go back to normal, he says.
jorge ventura
And one thing that's just not, I don't know why it's not talked about mainstream media, it's when these manufacturing jobs are shipped, now we have all these fathers and dads in these communities with no jobs.
Then they fall into depression.
Now we have divorce going up.
We have foster care going up.
Opioid abuse going up.
This is not good for our country.
We need candidates like, you know, like more populous, working class.
There was actually an interesting study by Heather Long from Washington Post.
She put out this report that Voters in the Midwest who were more afraid to lose their job to automation voted for Trump.
Voters who weren't afraid of automation voted for Biden.
I think that says everything about who has the working class message and who doesn't.
tim pool
Did you guys see the video from the World Economic Forum about not owning anything?
jorge ventura
Yep.
tim pool
In the video it says Western values have been tested to the breaking point.
And then it goes on to talk about how we got to do something different, something different.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And we will create, they say our predictions is that in the future you won't own anything
and you'll be happy.
And maybe that's true if they take away your ability to know.
You know, I was talking about this in one of my videos.
You guys, you guys have seen Stargate, right?
Yes.
jack murphy
And you've seen Stargate with MacGyver.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Heck yeah.
tim pool
So, when they go there, he tries drawing something on the ground and they freak out.
Like, no, it's forbidden to write things down.
People will be kept very happy in their ignorance.
You take away their ability to know how good things can really be?
Sure, they'll be happy not owning anything.
lydia smith
What was the title of the article?
I don't know anything or I don't own anything.
I don't have any privacy and life is better than I ever expected.
Absolutely amazing.
jack murphy
Why would they say that?
jorge ventura
They're trying to destroy the family so bad.
lydia smith
That's for sure.
jack murphy
That's all about blurring boundaries, right?
All this is about indiscriminate connection.
No boundaries.
lydia smith
Communism.
jack murphy
What we need is strategic disconnection.
We need barriers that allow what we want to come and go.
This is a theme for the next 20 years, guys.
It's not about indiscriminate connections, it's about strategic disconnection at this point.
Now what I want to know is that the World Economic Forum, the advocates of capitalism, have they been pushing neoliberal trade?
Have they been looking to reduce the barriers between capital flows and trade flows and labor flows, etc.?
They're trying to universalize the entire world with Western economic values and now they're saying that they're flawed somehow?
ian crossland
I don't understand that.
tim pool
It says on the World Economic Forum website I am offended that they're using the term checks and balances in this instance.
breaking point. We forget the checks and balances that bolster our democracies at our peril,"
writes Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch.
lydia smith
I am offended that they're using the term checks and balances in this instance. Highly
ian crossland
offended.
They extracted our wealth with this Federal Reserve fiat and now they're going to crash
us.
tim pool
Well, I think they extracted our wealth by free trade agreements, driving up minimum
wages which incentivizes companies to take advantage of transferring the factories overseas.
And then to add insult to injury, they crank up the corporate tax rates.
So the companies are like, we have no choice.
We're going to give up 40% of our revenue unless we move to Mexico or China.
Let's go.
jack murphy
You know, it's the first time in my life I'm going to agree with the Black Bloc protesters.
Let's go back to the 1999 World Trade Organization, the battle in Seattle.
Everybody was arguing free trade with China means a race to the bottom on wages, a race to the bottom on human rights issues, and a race to the bottom on the environment.
And guess what?
They weren't wrong in that regard.
They were not wrong.
tim pool
Those people are now the Trump supporters.
Thank you.
Thank you.
were challenging that are still challenging it.
There are certainly a lot of people probably at the battle in Seattle who are just there
because they were part of the leftist coalition.
jack murphy
Definitely.
Now I was being a little.
tim pool
I mean, but look at look at Occupy Wall Street.
They were protesting the Obama administration.
Now these people voted for Joe Biden.
That is insane.
jorge ventura
Thank you.
ian crossland
The realignment.
It's the sociological ignorance that we've been foisted upon ourselves.
They took the cameras out of the war zone.
This is a huge problem.
In Vietnam, you had cameramen on the ground watching dudes' legs get blown off.
tim pool
Nah, we have more cameras than ever, dude.
ian crossland
Barely, not on the soldiers' helmets, which we need helmet cams, man.
You can go to Funker and watch people bleeding out.
tim pool
And you can watch, for the first time, a video of rebels in Syria shooting guns at a tank, and the tank, with a GoPro mounted, firing back.
That happened a few years ago.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
But I know that people that were in the first Iraq war that were going door-to-door mowing families down didn't have cameras on their shoulders.
tim pool
And the atrocities in Vietnam didn't have cameras on them for the most part either.
ian crossland
Well, when we put the cameras in, the war stopped.
tim pool
We have more cameras now than ever.
ian crossland
But they're not being used properly, man.
We don't get to see... No, the issue is... We had that drone camera that was leaked by WikiLeaks.
That was leaked.
We didn't know that our drones were taking our family... That wasn't a drone.
tim pool
That was an Apache helicopter.
ian crossland
Exactly.
You're right.
tim pool
That was a guy who chose to pull the trigger and kill that Reuters journalist.
ian crossland
And those cameras weren't open.
Those are like secret.
They don't want to show us because it's what we're doing to people and what's happening to the people that are over there is hideous.
tim pool
We know how bad that is.
And the bigger problem we face right now is it's never going to stop.
So long as when Trump issues an order on behalf of the American people who voted for him, when he said, I'm going to end these wars, and then they say, Oh yeah, it's all good.
We've withdrawn all the troops.
You're good, Trump.
And then he goes, all right, excellent.
And then finds out it never really happened.
You know what that means?
They were just waiting for the moment when Trump was out of office so that Joe Biden could come back in and say, re-up in the Middle East, boys.
Send them on in.
ian crossland
And for reference, this is James Jeffrey, State Department Special Representative for Syria Engagement and Special Envoy to the Global Coalition to Defeat ISIS, is the guy that admitted to the subterfuge in an interview with Defense One.
tim pool
It's Obama's fault.
jorge ventura
Dude, Susan Rice is coming right back in.
unidentified
She literally took us into Libya.
jorge ventura
This cabinet should just tell you everything about where we're going.
tim pool
Trump was not supposed to win, man.
jorge ventura
We're going right back to neoliberalism.
jack murphy
I am exhausted and I'm going to speak for the American people for a second.
We are all exhausted.
This is crazy making stuff.
It's not only crazy, but it makes you crazy.
Meeting, meeting, getting, getting information and feeling like it doesn't sit right or it doesn't make sense.
And then you need to like reach out and grasp and try to find reality and try to get your feet down on the ground.
Try to have some sort of stability.
It is demoralizing, destabilizing.
It's exhausting.
Now your kids are at home and they're having trouble at school and Corona and you can't work and you can't go to the football game and you can't go see your grandmother and you can't have fricking Thanksgiving.
You can't have fricking Christmas.
They're just beating us over the head with misinformation and lies and distortions and, and just, I mean, look, I'm tired, man.
And I fight this every day.
I'd fight to try to find the truth.
I go out in the streets to try to witness what's actually happening.
We do these investigations.
We have these conversations and we have stamina for it, but it's still a grind.
tim pool
The Great Reset, bro.
jack murphy
It's still a grind.
tim pool
That's what it's all about.
jack murphy
It hurts.
tim pool
It's the Great Reset.
jack murphy
And I feel bad for, like, the average common American citizen who is just but merely a pawn in this whole game, floating on this ocean, getting tossed all around, and nobody gives a crap about them.
Nobody gives a crap about your kids.
No one gives a crap about your kid that was a straight-A student all through school and now all of a sudden is failing tests because virtual school is a bunch of crap and the teachers aren't even doing their job.
My kids just figured out the other day, they're like, You know, my teacher lives an hour away so that she can afford a cheap house.
And she drives into the city to get the fancy urban salary for her, for her job.
And now she doesn't even have to do that commute.
I wonder, you know what?
She's the only one who's winning and all this, my kids starting to figure this out.
So when I just, I would just like, I have sympathy for everyone.
tim pool
Have your kids figured out how to do a screen grab recording so they can turn it on and walk away and pretend like they're in school?
jack murphy
They have figured out all kinds of stuff.
But my kids are intrinsically motivated to do as well as they possibly can, which is why this virtual school stuff is killing them.
But just on that last note, guys, I look at everybody out there and I feel it, man.
It makes me crazy.
All this makes me crazy.
It must be making you crazy.
It's a deliberate destabilization of our minds.
So that why?
So we can be controlled.
tim pool
Great reset.
And then one great resets on their website.
They talk about what they want to do.
They said COVID is an opportunity to have a reset of global capitalism, to benefit the stakeholders.
It's all about, look, man, I got, I got the thing.
They say they want to know.
Let me just read it.
We are eating much less meat in the future.
Farewell hospital.
Hello, home spittle.
Look, this sounds a lot like what they're actually doing.
U.S.
dominance is over.
We have a handful of global powers.
There is a global price on carbon.
This is from the World Economic Forum, eight predictions for the world in 2030.
What is happening right now with the COVID lockdowns?
It fits perfectly into their plans for the Great Reset.
They literally say, Justin Trudeau said it!
It's not some conspiracy.
They said, well, COVID happened, now's our opportunity to do all these policies we wanted to do.
They talk about how, and to be fair, it is true, that since the lockdowns, the earth has been healing in terms of environmental pollution is going away, and that's a great thing.
But I have to wonder, if these people really want to bring about a better future, why is it that instead of encouraging people around the world to participate in something cool and exciting, they just trick people, lie to them, beat them down, degrade them, insult them, cause conflict and strife?
I think about the moon landing, how that brought a nation together about this grand mission to go to the moon.
I look at what Elon Musk is doing and how people are inspired by this.
But you know what I hear from leftists about Elon Musk?
He's wasting all that money sending that car into space.
He could be feeding kids or giving them health care and stuff like that.
And it's like, dude, If you want to make the world better, if you want to clean the environment, if you want space technology, you have to create a culture by propping up people who succeed.
Showing kids, look how awesome this guy is, who built a rocket ship to Mars.
You want to be like him.
Instead, they beat us down, they lock us down, and they tell us to shut up.
That is not about creating a better world.
That is about controlling everything.
ian crossland
everything yesterday to deal on did yesterday.
What did they sent their first rocket to the space station? Yes.
tim pool
Yeah.
That's cool.
ian crossland
And they're coming back and they're going to keep doing it. This is the first one.
tim pool
So think about who who is made famous by these companies, by these algorithms.
For the most part, it's reality TV.
It's it's it's it's video games.
It's just mindless.
It's not.
They're not. They're not actively trying to encourage people to strive to better humanity.
They're purposefully just dumping masturbatory pleasures in people's faces and then coming out and saying, now we have to lock everything down.
ian crossland
I hate saying they so much.
I really do.
Are we talking about Klaus Schwab and the World Economic Forum?
tim pool
I'm talking about rich corporate elites, multi-billion dollar corporations.
ian crossland
It may not even be important who exactly the person is.
tim pool
Government officials, Democrats.
ian crossland
Like, cutting off the head of the snake doesn't make the problem stop, because the problem is systemic.
It's a financial—like, we live in this capitalistic world.
tim pool
It's the World Economic Forum.
ian crossland
There you go.
It's a money thing.
It's like a pyramid money scheme where the people—you can never have enough, because the people at the bottom owe interest back to the people that loaned it to them in the first place.
tim pool
Yes.
Think about the tremendous transfer of wealth that is the global lockdown.
jorge ventura
This is the greatest transfer of wealth in American history.
tim pool
You can't run your own business.
jorge ventura
And Tim, pre-COVID, the American middle class was already getting crushed.
tim pool
I'll tell you what's going to happen.
Whether it's intentional or not, this is some kind of regular people are going to lose access to their ownership.
They won't own their buildings anymore.
Their business is gone.
They can't pay the mortgage.
Gone.
People are losing their property and the things they own and the things they love.
And it's creating a crisis.
But rich people are getting richer.
jorge ventura
Oh, this is a great time to be Jeff Bezos.
tim pool
They're controlling more and more and more.
Oh, for sure.
Or just a shareholder.
So, ultimately, what ends up happening is regular working class people are being cut out of
ownership.
They're being pushed down into a permanent underclass, and then they're also creating
a permanent upper class with no mobility between.
jack murphy
Okay.
So when you, when you're like the president and we have to go to war, it's really hard to, you have to make decisions that you know where people are going to die, but you know that it's for the best interest for both everybody and for the world and for the country.
We're there for like a good cause war, right?
Right.
And so these people have to train themselves to stop thinking about people as individuals and they start thinking about them as pieces on a board.
And so when you get to a certain level of detachment, And I'm not making excuses.
I'm just describing what happens.
These people at World Economic Forum, Davos people, they don't care about an individual.
They just literally do not.
jorge ventura
It sounds like all of DC, Jack.
jack murphy
I know, but they're thinking about big, big, large groups of numbers and long spans of time.
And they talk about creative destruction.
That's a fundamental tenet of free market capitalism is creative destruction.
And what does that mean?
That means people get sick and die and lose their jobs and their families get busted up and their towns go to hell and the factories rust out and there's misery and death and drug addiction.
That's creative destruction.
Okay.
So like that's a different type of person, a different type of thinking.
They don't care about people.
They're thinking big theories and big long-term projects.
And it just doesn't matter to us because we don't care about 300 years from now and whatever organization you want.
We care about your family and my kids and I'm not going to eat.
And why is my uncle overdosing on heroin in the car with his kids in the backseat?
lydia smith
So I think that they would probably call this triage because they think they are calling this an emergency.
They would call that triage because it takes a few eggs that you have to break to make an omelette.
And it doesn't really matter to them if it's you or your parents or your grandparents.
jack murphy
But it just becomes a game.
jorge ventura
And they're just rubbing it in at this point.
Gavin Newsom locked down California back in March.
All these businesses going out.
Just last week, Git gets caught going to a dinner party enjoying his nice Napa Valley wine while everyone goes out of business.
Same thing for Nancy Pelosi.
Held a nice special dinner in Washington D.C.
with all the Dem Reps and GOP leaders.
But you can't do that in California.
But Nancy Pelosi can.
Because she knows what's best.
tim pool
This is like, it's almost like, you ever see Kingsman?
Is that the movie Kingsman?
The movie's great.
Samuel Jackson plays this villain who says the earth is overpopulated, global warming is basically a fever, and if we don't stop the spread, then the earth's gonna have a fever that kills out humans.
So he decides, time to cull all, you know, he tries to basically create a program to kill all the poor people.
and then he gives special access to all of his friends and all the wealthy
elites and global leadership so they're safe from his program which makes them go nuts.
unidentified
So interesting.
tim pool
Yeah, that's the bad guy.
jorge ventura
That's probably Jeff Bezos, man.
tim pool
I mean, I don't know about Bezos.
unidentified
No, we'd know if he was.
tim pool
But listen, it's more than that.
Bezos started a company.
He owns all these shares.
But there's a lot of people who own tons of stocks that will ride.
Like if you buy Amazon big box store stock, you're going to be OK.
But stock is mostly held by the wealthy, not by regular working class and poor people who's got disposable income to be like, I'm going to put in 50 grand.
jack murphy
That is largely true.
But Also, most unionized workers, teachers, unions, etc.
Their pensions are dependent on the value of the equities in the stock market.
Anybody that has a professional job that's W-2 usually has a 401k.
They have an IRA of some kind.
Lots of Americans own stocks.
Lots of Americans.
tim pool
But think about what happens with another year-long lockdown of sorts.
jack murphy
True.
There's no income to buy your stocks with.
tim pool
Well, it's not just that.
It's that all the pension funds are going to be like, we better buy nothing but Amazon.
And then we end up in like that movie Idiocracy where Costco is just this massive multi-square mile building.
The only store, we're going to have just Amazon.
It's going to be called the Amazon.
It's going to be like, I'm going to get some music.
Let's go to the Amazon.
I'm going to go see a movie.
Let's go to the Amazon.
That's going to be it.
That's it.
jack murphy
It's got what plants need.
tim pool
It's got what plants need.
ian crossland
If these people are trying to, I don't know if they're trying to kill the poor people.
I don't know if that's the right way to phrase it.
tim pool
I don't think so.
ian crossland
They see it as inevitable and they're trying to mitigate the damage.
I wonder if there's sedating, if there's like an attempt at sedating the population so as it dwindles, it won't flip out.
And that's in the food supply.
tim pool
No, absolutely not.
The riots, the DAs from all these Democrat DAs just cut the rioters loose.
They're not trying to have anyone sedated.
ian crossland
I don't think they're involved.
I'm talking about like Davos, these people in economic form that are like planning this grand, this grand reset of a population.
Yeah.
tim pool
Of global capitalism, they say.
ian crossland
They're trying to bypass like a riot.
They don't want us to flip out on them.
So they're trying to keep us.
I disagree.
I don't, they're not trying to like, if they're trying to suppress us or confuse, they're definitely trying to confuse us and keep us ignorant.
tim pool
I don't, I don't, I, I, look, I don't, I think they're telling us outright.
Look, they're not hiding anything from anybody.
They're saying straight up on their website, the Great Reset.
This is an urgent need for global stakeholders to cooperate in simultaneously managing the direct consequences of the COVID-19 crisis to improve the state of the world.
The World Economic Forum is starting the Great Reset initiative.
It's not a secret.
They're probably politicians, groups that are like, it's a good idea.
We definitely should.
Otherwise the planet is destroyed.
And so what you really have is people like Gavin Newsom, who is just a wealthy elite who says rules for thee, but not for me.
That's the way it always goes.
They can have parties.
They can go out to eat.
You get locked down because you are the rabble.
ian crossland
So that's like a, uh, like, like the SS, like, or, uh, a group of people that have been basically been bought out to do like the guard duty.
And while the rest of the people.
jack murphy
Suffer.
If you want to take this conversation to the next conspiracy level, the tinfoil hat level, I recommend watching this BBC miniseries called Utopia.
And the basic gist of this miniseries is that it was like six episodes.
You got to watch.
It's fantastic.
Is that there was a virus spread into the world.
And then the trick is, is it's the vaccine to the virus that sterilizes everybody.
And so then it's the end of humanity, except for this one particular race that the geneticists... Spoiler alert, sorry.
But it's really, really great.
It's great for this time period.
unidentified
Great music.
It's on BBC.
jack murphy
Graphic novel.
It's very cool.
It's all very cyberpunk.
unidentified
Jack, are you saying I'm being a tinfoil hattie right now?
lydia smith
Yeah, maybe a little.
jack murphy
Just a little bit.
There's tinfoil hats all over the studio right now.
lydia smith
It's true, there literally are.
tim pool
So let's put it this way.
Donald Trump will certainly stop a lockdown, or for the most part, there won't be a national lockdown under Trump.
He'll shore up our borders, he'll bring back our manufacturing, he'll do a lot of the stuff.
There's this, this, this Clark County thing about the ballots is, is really interesting.
I'm, I'm wondering if Trump really can, you know, find his path.
Will he really expose something?
I tell you, when I see, when I see these people, there are people on the right, hit me up and they're like showing me all these lists of all these crazy trust the plan kind of things.
And I'm like, dude, I'm sorry, man.
I just don't buy it.
I don't think there's going to be some magic, you know, Hail Mary pass is going to score the touchdown for Trump and he's going to come back.
I mean, what do you guys think?
jack murphy
No.
jorge ventura
I'm in the same boat, Tim.
I really don't see it at this point.
jack murphy
I mean... Maybe, but I don't see it.
No, the evidence speaks to the opposite.
The evidence speaks to the contrary.
Sidney Powell was not mobilized.
Matt Brainerd was not mobilized.
The best and brightest minds for data analysis, election fraud analysis, legal analysis, and litigation were not mobilized prior to this event.
They admitted as much.
They had vacations planned.
They were sitting around with their families, and they have stepped up to action as a civic-minded citizen, mind you.
They have just volunteered their time and energy.
There is no evidence.
I'm sorry.
Anybody Q, just please unfollow me now.
I went through a whole Q trolling night one night.
tim pool
I think I remember that.
jack murphy
Came home drunk one night and just was like being really nasty to Q followers and stuff.
Just get out of here.
Get off my timeline.
There's no coordinated plan.
If there were, then these key people would have been activated prior.
They wouldn't be telling me stories.
About how they cried when they told their wives that they couldn't go on this vacation that they promised them for four years.
tim pool
No, don't you understand, Jack?
jack murphy
That's all part of the subterfuge.
tim pool
Art of war.
You need your opponents to think you're off balance.
jack murphy
That's right.
tim pool
But then strike!
There's always some excuse as to how Trump secretly is going to pull it off.
No, I think Trump wasn't supposed to win.
No.
And he ended up winning because Hillary Clinton was awful.
And Trump spoke to a lot of people who were... We launched him.
jack murphy
We launched him.
This is the other thing I want to talk about.
The network.
It was the MAGA network that launched Trump into office.
It wasn't that Trump was the most amazing politician or this or that or the other thing.
He was there to ride the wave.
We picked him.
We looked at 17 people and we said, we want you.
You're the guy we're going to launch.
The network launched Trump into the White House.
And guess what?
The network still exists.
So the network is going to persist, and I believe that the MAGA network is actually stronger now than it was even just six months ago.
And they're going to continue to push, and there's going to be candidates in 2022, and there's going to be candidates in 2024, and we're going to be, if need be, the hardcore opposition that the country depends on in the next couple of years for sure.
jorge ventura
And I agree with you, Jack.
I think what Donald Trump did is he came in and he broke the Republican Party and said, we are now going populist.
Either you're America first, worker class friendly policies, or you're getting voted out.
And I really think any Any old GOP candidates, your time is very limited because I think that MAGA crowd is going to be voting out people and putting populist candidates in.
We were seeing the same thing in the Democratic Party, but the establishment is better at blocking off the Bernies and the Yangs.
But I really do think that the Republican Party, we're not going to see it be this old GOP.
You know, Trump, since I believe like 1961, the most non-white voter support for a Republican candidate.
I think in like Texas, he flipped like five Hispanic communities into Republican counties.
We saw it in Florida, essentially the Latino vote carried Trump to the win.
So I really think that the Republican Party is going to shift, really shift to this American first populist movement.
jack murphy
It would be amazing.
The analysis, the voter shift analysis that you see in those election maps, it shows the arrows if the county moved like blue or red.
It is astounding when you look at the Texas border counties.
They have like arrows that start on their map and like go all the way into like Arkansas because they're so big that so many people shifted to the right.
You see that in Southern Florida and I think it's in Dade County.
You see a ton of that as well.
That's huge.
That makes me so happy.
It's unifying.
It's like transracial.
It doesn't matter.
But to your point, I still think that Trump was an insurgent within the GOP.
Trump battled the GOP throughout his entire time in the presidency.
And I'm afraid that without a guy like Trump there, that the GOP is just going to collapse back on itself and just disregard everything that has happened in the last four years and try to just press on with the corporatist, uniparty BS that they've been doing for decades.
tim pool
Let me ask you the challenging philosophical question.
jack murphy
Yes, sir.
tim pool
I'm ready for that.
Let's assume that if humans just carry on as we do, this consumerist culture, expansion, Would we eventually just destroy ourselves?
Consume our resources?
Burn out?
jack murphy
No, no.
Because we have the interest of self-preservation.
You would figure it out.
You would figure out how to not burn yourself alive or how to extinct yourself.
We've shown that to be the case all along, through every transition in human history.
tim pool
Well, so we've got reports of the Pacific garbage, trash gyres, all the garbage in the oceans.
We've got ocean acidification, dead zones forming, climate change.
Is that stuff really happening?
jack murphy
Who knows?
Do you trust any of that information anymore?
tim pool
This is the challenge now.
jack murphy
The framing.
Oh, there's a dead zone in the ocean.
Well, guess what?
There's a, remember the ozone hole?
tim pool
Yeah.
jack murphy
Remember the little hole in the ozone layer?
They didn't tell you.
They're like, the hole in the ozone is massive.
Nobody told you that it had been there.
What is it getting any bigger?
unidentified
Is it?
No.
tim pool
What's going on with it now?
jack murphy
There's like a natural state of the ozone hole over like one of the poles or something.
It's just a natural condition.
But they were like, oh, look at this giant hole in the ozone layer.
We're all going to die.
The framing.
Dead zone in the ocean.
How do we know there haven't been dead zones in the ocean for a billion years?
ian crossland
Regarding a few of the ocean problems, there's Boyan Slat.
Have you guys followed his work?
He's out there in the Pacific Ocean.
He's built this giant rope that is basically catching the Pacific garbage patch because it spirals.
So instead of going out and trying to get it, you just let it spiral to you and then he collects the plastic and he'll bring it back to shore.
Regarding oil spills, you can take magnets and drop iron oxide dust into the oil.
Then you dip the magnet in and the oil will magnetize to your stick and you can Withdraw the oil that way.
You can also do something called iron fertilization, where you drop iron oxide into the ocean and it blooms plankton, which becomes fish food.
There's solutions.
Yeah, there are.
tim pool
Fusion power.
This is why I don't trust initiatives like the Great Reset.
Because, like I said, if they really want... First of all, humans solve problems.
Identify a problem, we try and figure out how to solve it.
We always have.
More importantly, we could be building a culture around this.
We could be doing, like, take whatever popular culture is, and then you make the dude who's cleaning up the oil the high-profile celebrity.
You give an algorithmic boost to those who do civic good.
And then all of a sudden you got a dude who's, like, dancing to that, you know, poppy TikTok song, and he's showing... Like, look at the trash cleanup memes, where everybody wanted to do their video where they cleaned up all the garbage.
That's the kind of thing.
ian crossland
I saw Scott Pressler at the March.
unidentified
Oh, nice.
ian crossland
Hung out with him for 10 minutes.
lydia smith
Very cool.
tim pool
They're not building a culture around this stuff.
They're not.
They're talking about, you know, locking people down instead of changing and just Encouraging people to do better and making it fun, exciting and making it lucrative or making it respectable.
jack murphy
When you push a 12 year old girl out onto stage to tell everybody to be very afraid and they lecture her at you and they point their finger and wag their fingers and say, we're all going to die.
That's counterproductive.
And we just tune that crap out.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
It's the opposite.
lydia smith
I don't think they want to encourage us.
tim pool
I think that's what I'm saying.
And when we say they, we're talking about the World Economic Forum people and Justin Trudeau, who also mentioned he wanted, you know, we're going to have a recess.
lydia smith
That was the creepiest video, dude.
jack murphy
He was just speaking all slowly and calmly and just matter of factly, like he kind of cared about you.
But really didn't.
lydia smith
Definitely not.
jack murphy
The Great Reset is coming.
It'll be okay.
Just take your pill and go to sleep.
tim pool
It's like They Live, man.
Have you ever seen that movie, They Live?
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Yeah, Rowdy Roddy Piper.
Check it out.
jack murphy
I've seen him in a steel cage match against Adrian Adonis in the late 80s, dude.
WWF, thank you.
tim pool
They Live is when Rowdy Roddy Piper finds sunglasses and he puts them on and he can see all the aliens.
Oh, beautiful, and then like the billboards say like buy more obey the money says this is your God
Like and then he like he tries to get some guy to wear the glasses and the guys like get away from me
So he wrestles them and like baby It's like a 20-minute fight where they punch each other and
then he forces because righty-righty Piper man He forces the glasses on the dude and the dudes like he
sees it and goes like oh my god and then he sees the
Alien stop and look and they're like they can see us since like on there were like humans were in league with them
But I'm saying it's it's almost like you have these ultra wealthy elites. Here's the way I put it
I have I know people who like like to go to the Bilderberg meetings where they're like, oh
All these rich people are getting together, and I'm like, it's simple, dude.
Birds of a feather flock together.
All these rich, wealthy elites, they run these big companies, they hang out with each other, they're gonna share ideas.
It's just like how the journalists do the same thing.
Birds of a feather flock together.
The only problem is, when people who are unaccountable and extremely powerful start talking about what they're gonna do, I wouldn't call it a conspiracy, I would call it an emergent phenomenon of wealthy individuals who are just gonna do things that don't help you, but hurt you, but help them.
jack murphy
Right.
So the rich people, they get together and hang out and they just brainstorm.
What should we do with all of our money?
Where should we go?
No, I mean, it's just a normal thing to do.
tim pool
But I don't even think it's like that.
I think it's probably like a guy goes, Oh, so I'm gonna buy Bitcoin.
Really?
You're gonna buy Bitcoin?
Yeah, I was hearing about that.
Oh, I should build a Bitcoin thing.
Next thing you know, these rich companies, like these companies are like, we're launching PayPal, Bitcoin and stuff like that.
jack murphy
Yeah.
Birds of a feather flock together.
I was just made me think of like mainstream journalists, where would they flock together?
And I'm like, Oh, alcoholics in a bar and like coordinating through Adderall dealers.
tim pool
You're not wrong though.
Cause I, when I, when I worked in New York at these companies, yeah, they'd go out to the bar and then it would be like me, a handful of people from Vice meeting with a handful of people, people from Huffington post and Buzzfeed, all this big table, just like everyone's talking about it.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
They're sharing all their stories, their ideas, they all agree on the same things, and they all go to their outlets and they all write the same stuff without fact-checking it because they heard it from some guy.
So, I guess the question then is...
It sounds like, we all agree, Trump is on the outs.
ian crossland
Yeah, I do agree with that.
jorge ventura
I do agree with that.
jack murphy
Well, it's not looking good, let's say that for sure.
I have no idea what's going to happen.
The question that I always need to have answered in all these things is like, we need a lawyer.
Like, I need a legal opinion.
What level of fraud constitutes, you know, not certifying?
What level of fraud would make it historically reasonable to use the state legislatures to slate electors in the electoral college?
What level of fraud means we have to redo the whole thing?
I don't know the answers to these questions.
And so we're just speculating a lot.
But you know, I mean, at first glance, it does appear it's a long road.
jorge ventura
Let's say Tim and Jack, you know, whatever, you know, Trump loses it.
Where do you think Trump now goes with this whole media thing, this Fox News Newsmax?
Do you think he does that Trump TV and just takes out Fox News?
Does he buy Newsmax?
I mean, what do you think is going to happen to that, like, Fox News, Trump, media?
Where do we go now?
tim pool
I don't know, but rumor is CNN's going up for sale.
unidentified
I heard.
jorge ventura
The Great Reset.
tim pool
AT&T is burning money and they're desperate and CNN is worthless, especially considering their golden goose is going away.
lydia smith
Can I put my two cents in then, since Trump is leaving?
I think what will happen if he doesn't win this re-election is that he will build his own newsroom and he'll become an influencer on politics without being president, which to me seems fantastic.
You have none of the stress of being president, but you have all of the influence of being, like, this strong, powerful voice.
This is not original.
It's something Scott Adams has talked about.
But I think that he might be right.
jorge ventura
I think that Trump would really love it.
Do you think, Tim, that Trump just takes a sledgehammer at Fox News and just breaks it?
tim pool
I don't know.
I think Newsmax is already doing that.
So riots either way, then, huh?
Doesn't matter.
jack murphy
All the way down.
tim pool
Riots all the way down.
ian crossland
Regarding that, it's something I wanted to ask you guys, Jorge and Jack, since you guys are, like, Experts, I would say.
Framing the news.
Framing.
The argument that Tim and I were having about Andy Ngo, it wasn't really a personal thing, but it was the way that the news was being described.
I would go to his Twitter and I'd see just like 15 second clips of violence, violence, violence.
And then at the top of his feed is PayPal me.
And I'm like, okay, so he's like flashing Is it though?
to get you to click to make a living, and that is an effective way to make a living,
but I think it's terrorizing the population and splitting us up.
jack murphy
Or is it showing us what's really happening when no one else will?
ian crossland
Maybe both, but I was at the march and I didn't see any violence the entire day.
jack murphy
Well, I mean, I was at the march too, and I did.
unidentified
But when I go to his page, I heard he was hanging out at the Willard for like two hours.
jorge ventura
Exactly.
I mean, I don't know if this helps, but like if you went through my timeline, you would see right in the beginning, you know, the Trump people, you know, marching, having a good time.
Then you saw the violence.
But I do think.
Like for me this is how I felt was that after I documented the guy getting stomped out and the family get attacked like for me I was like I need a break because I don't know how much more I could just show my audience at the same time like I want to show you guys what's going on in the reality and stuff but at the same time I don't know if you ever felt this doing your work Tim in the past but I don't want to be an anchor in the division either.
I want to show you guys the facts.
This is what's going on.
But I don't want to be a part of this whole division thing either.
It's just a tough... Nothing you can do, man.
There's nothing you can do.
tim pool
If you come out and say Antifa punched some old lady, they're going to be like, stop reporting that.
Whose side are you on?
jack murphy
Let me explain, let's share a little personal side of this.
I showed the very first clip.
I tweeted it out.
I was like, holy crap, look at this.
And the dude gets punched from behind.
Then someone sent me, uh, someone DM me what they called the full version.
Okay.
So I tweeted that.
No, no, no, no, no.
This is an intermediate one.
So I tweeted that and I was like, look, this changes the whole story.
It's not just a guy got sucker punched.
I left it purposefully vague on purpose so that people could could check it out and read what they want to read into it.
And then I got your clip.
And so I like I have all three in a thread and I just highlight it.
It's like, look, you know, it just the framing, your interpretation, all this matters in what narrative comes out of it.
And for me, my goal is just to provide the clearest picture I can.
Whether or not it makes a Trump supporter look good or, or, or whomever looks bad, whatever.
And you know, I lose followers over it.
I don't care.
I mean, my brand is just being on, on point and trying to tell the truth.
So, but I was a victim quote unquote of that myself.
Cause you only get availability, right?
Like, Oh, I only got this one clip.
Well, this clearly shows something I'm going to, I'm going to tweet it and report on it.
Then you get another one.
You're like, okay, well, that's kind of contradictory.
Well, for me, at least the choice was easy.
I just posted it right after my first tweet, even though if it made, made the first one look bad.
And then I got a third version and I just put it right there in the same thread and I just let people make up their minds on their own.
So I think that there's an effective way to do it.
But I totally feel what you're saying about like, how much do I want to show people?
How much do you even want to be around there?
When I was out on the streets in the end of May, and there was like the arson, and the huge vandalism, property destruction, and bricks getting thrown at the cops, and flashbangs going off, and gas everywhere.
That was intense too, and I had to get out of there.
I didn't want to go back.
I mean, I've not been in war.
I never served.
I have no idea what it's like.
But to me, that was the closest I had ever been.
Dude, flashbangs going off five feet from your head, your eyes burning from gas, buildings on fire, people beating each other up in the streets, bricks being thrown at cops.
It was crazy, dude.
It was crazy.
tim pool
So here's the issue.
Andy Ngo is highlighting things he thinks are important.
And then people get mad that he's not highlighting the things they think are important.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
They accuse him of lying or propagandizing because he said, whoa, look at this one important thing.
And they're like, show the full video.
You're a propagandist.
And if Andy actually showed the full, what was it?
Probably like 10 or 15 minutes.
unidentified
Yeah.
jorge ventura
I mean, even if you show the full video, it's still not okay with that.
That guy did.
tim pool
For sure.
unidentified
For sure.
tim pool
But like Andy's perspective was probably like, wow, this guy was defending them.
I got sucker punched.
I better show people that got sucker punched.
And then they're like, but you're not showing the full context.
And the reality is the leftists were falsely framing what really happened.
This guy was trying to defend people who were being attacked, and probably, you know, kicking somebody in the head, probably was overboard.
jack murphy
I get so frustrated.
Nobody's perfect.
I follow Black Lives Matter on my Twitter, and then I see them tweet out, like, all of our guys were just sitting here peacefully until these MAGA guys showed up, and I'm like, dude, it's such a lie.
jorge ventura
They literally attack people with kids.
jack murphy
They are just sitting there waiting.
ian crossland
Do you ever feel like they get, like, egged on by someone being there with a camera?
tim pool
What do you mean?
jack murphy
Like, no, they don't want you to film.
ian crossland
When you pick up the camera, that's when they decide to swing.
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
Because Kalen, a few days ago, was saying he'll be recording the cops like, hey, hey, hey, get this.
And the cop will like run into a wall or a light post and be like, did you get it?
And he's like, yeah.
tim pool
Not a cop, he's talking about a professor.
ian crossland
He said there was a cop that did that.
So like, people obviously will play for the camera.
No, no, no, no.
tim pool
They attack cameras.
ian crossland
Well, from whoever it was that he said, someone was playing for his camera to give him some footage.
tim pool
Do you ever feel like it eggs people on?
jorge ventura
I mean, for me, from what I've got, no.
I mean, these people were going to do what they were going to do regardless.
If anything, the camera is an enemy opposition.
They would attack me.
jack murphy
That's what the umbrellas are for.
That's why the umbrellas can block you out.
tim pool
When the cameras come out, they stop.
Because now you're filming evidence of them committing crimes.
So then what happens is, if they're doing something illegal and they see you filming,
they'll attack you.
And they'll say, why are you filming us?
Whose side are you on?
And if you say, I'm just filming, they'll say, you're the enemy.
And they'll start beating you up.
ian crossland
I do agree.
I think you guys are definitely probably more right, but I do see like street fights.
You ever watch street fight videos on YouTube?
Once people pull out the cameras, that's when they really go at it.
jorge ventura
I'm sure people, you know, play to the camera.
I mean, just from my experience, I just never really got that.
jack murphy
There's so many cameras around anyway.
One more camera out doesn't change anything, really.
So many people recording.
So many people.
I gotta tell you, I'm not feeling super good right now.
I'm just thinking about all the lies and the misinformation and the things I can see.
Remember when I was telling the story about how I went to the Richmond 2nd day rally back in like February or January or something earlier this year and it was totally peaceful and super calm.
jorge ventura
I was there.
It was in January.
jack murphy
And then the very next day it's just like all these guys with guns and horror.
I'm doing Alex Jones now.
All these guys with guns and just like this violent thing and you just see this.
I saw it with my own two eyes.
You're totally lying over here.
Just repeat that a thousand million times all throughout the country.
And then now it's this point where people are just getting kids and senior citizens and families are getting harassed and beaten up and knocked out cold in the street.
And yet, CNN's not talking about it.
New York Times not talking about it.
Washington Post not talking about it.
Washington Post talking about the crime so clinically.
They're just like, there was a stabbing.
ian crossland
We need a context plug-in where you get it on your browser, and then it'll overlay onto internet videos and tell you if it's... That's so hard to do, man.
tim pool
I know, but that would be... There's too many outlets, there's too many videos.
ian crossland
Because when I see the Andy Ngo video of the six-second guy getting punched, he already knew it was out of context, but he didn't say it in that post.
tim pool
Andy did?
ian crossland
Yeah, well, he posted it after he had posted the longer version.
tim pool
Andy posted a clip because he thought it was important.
ian crossland
He posted it three hours after he had posted the two and a half minute one.
tim pool
He posted the short one, which is fine.
ian crossland
He knew it was in context, but he didn't say it.
tim pool
No, he eventually knew.
ian crossland
Yeah, he didn't say in his post of the six second knockout that it was out of context.
I didn't know.
He didn't post it.
And there was no plugin to explain to me that that was out of context.
I didn't find out until later.
tim pool
Everything is out of context always.
Andy Ngo was highlighting a video.
He was highlighting a video.
He said, wow, look at this guy got sucker punched.
That was it.
ian crossland
I know, but it was out of context.
And that was why I got emotionally charged by it.
tim pool
No, it wasn't out of context.
It was perfectly in context.
ian crossland
No, it was just a guy running up and hitting a guy.
tim pool
And then later I saw the two-minute... And the context was leftists were brutally beating Trump supporters.
ian crossland
I didn't even read anything.
I just watched it and I was like, whoa.
tim pool
A Trump supporter went to a rally, got brutally beaten.
The context was there.
The leftists falsely framed it.
This guy intervened when they were harassing a family with kids.
And they chased these guys down the street and were hitting them.
ian crossland
I'm telling you, no one had framed... I just saw a clip of a video.
That was out of context.
tim pool
What was the context?
ian crossland
It was a dude ran up and punched this guy.
tim pool
No, no, no, what's the full context?
ian crossland
The full context was I loaded up Twitter.
tim pool
No, the full context of the incident.
You don't know what context means, dude.
ian crossland
The first I saw, two and a half minutes, was the full context, which isn't even full.
tim pool
No, it's not.
It's not the full context.
jack murphy
No, Tim, I remember when I was writing my book, Democrats are Deplorable, check it out.
I remember thinking to myself, every time I would start to explain something, I'd be like, no, wait, I gotta back up a minute.
Right.
And then I would try to write, and I'd be like, no, I gotta back up even further.
And I would joke and I'm like, here's how my book starts.
There was the big bang.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack murphy
That's like the only way to like give proper context.
Cause everything is just selected and it's a, it's a window, it's a snapshot or even it's continuous thing, but it's still limited.
tim pool
The full context was that a family went to a police line and said, can we go through?
And the cop said, no.
They then said, but there's a mob of angry people.
And the cop said, too bad.
I'm paraphrasing.
So when they tried leaving, they got violently attacked.
And this was a, this was a family and they had kids.
Eventually after walking for like eight minutes being attacked, they turned a corner and a guy came in to defend them.
He got sucker punched.
And he said, wow, this guy got sucker punched.
The full context was, leftists were attacking and brutalizing Trump supporters, and this guy got sucker-punched.
Showing you the clip of the guy getting sucker-punched is not out of context.
It's just a short snippet of a grand event that happened throughout the whole day.
ian crossland
Right, and even that event, we don't even know how context- like, those people that were trying to get through the police line might have been aggravating people earlier in the day, and we don't know about it.
tim pool
No, dude, there's full video of everything.
ian crossland
That's totally not true.
tim pool
They're walking up to the police line and no one is around them.
They walk up and say, we're trying to get that way and the cops say no.
The mob then comes up.
So sure, if you want to make up that you think this family that's walked up to a police line trying to get to the hotel- I don't know the context.
Was earlier in the day taunt, like it's ridiculous dude.
ian crossland
We just need something that will tell people that aren't thinking critically if a cut of a video is coming from a bigger video out of context.
We need that.
lydia smith
Ian, here's what we need to do.
Everyone who reads the news need to go into it with the understanding that the video that they're watching comes from a longer video.
They need to go and they need to independently find the longer video and watch before and after.
They need to watch the whole thing.
In fact, better, they need to be there in person.
They need to talk to people who are there in person.
They need to read from 16 different sources from all different sides of the spectrum.
That's how people should read the news, but they don't.
jack murphy
That never will. This is such a great example. Two things.
One, if we're going to play this game, let's talk about bigger context. The bigger context is the
Democratic Party has been gaslighting its own people with lies for the last four years. And they have
whipped these people into a frenzy and told them and convinced them that if they beat up white
people, they're going to save America, right? That's even more context. You can just keep
unidentified
going back and back.
tim pool
Or you can say a bunch of peaceful Trump supporters are having a peaceful rally
to wave little American flags. And the left showed up to their event and started randomly attacking.
ian crossland
There were some aggro Trump supporters.
tim pool
For sure!
Now let's go back in time to when they went to Berkeley to have a free speech rally because speakers got cancelled and then Antifa showed up, tore down the barricades and started throwing explosives at old people.
ian crossland
Lydia, I think you said a really smart thing that we should be looking for greater context in the videos we see.
jack murphy
Okay, here's something I gotta say.
What we're describing right now is called sensemaking.
Okay.
lydia smith
Right.
jack murphy
We have to develop your sensemaking skill.
We call it in the liminal order.
We call it intentional understanding.
You are deliberately setting out to understand what happened.
That means research.
It means open mind.
It means not being hungry or angry or lonely or tired when you're doing it because you're emotionally unsound.
It means not being physically weak or obese or just You're wasted when you're doing it because you have to be secure.
You have to have physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual integrity.
These things, this is a life skill you must learn in the 21st century and 2020 amidst our information war where the whole information space is totally polluted and people are trying to confuse you and they're trying to manipulate you and they're using windows of frame and context and whatever to change your mind and to make you do things that you might not want to do.
Take control of your life.
Sense make intentional understanding.
It's a holistic experience and you have to do it is as essential skill of anything else that we learned today in this world.
tim pool
We should go to Super Chats.
Yeah, we gotta go Super Chats.
lydia smith
I just had a quick two cents.
So I think this is probably the most important thing I've discovered when I was growing up.
The most important thing I discovered as I was becoming an adult was sense making.
How do I make sense of the world around me?
What are the most important things?
What's intentionally opposing, like causing danger to me right now?
What do I need to focus on?
What do I need to make sense of?
But yeah, we'll go to Super Chats.
I think you're right.
tim pool
We need to make sense of Super Chats right now.
lydia smith
Correct.
Yes, we're going to do that now.
tim pool
If you have not already, smash the like button.
Give us a good ol' like, it really does help the channel.
And we're gonna read what y'all have to say.
So let's see, who got a good one?
Damien says, God bless America and Americans.
Praying for truth and peace for you.
Appreciate it.
lydia smith
Thanks.
tim pool
The Eleventh Hour says, CNN is going up for sale.
Rumors of Trump starting a news company.
Imagine every airport with Trump's face and a CNN cast realizing they're in contract to Trump.
Best timeline.
lydia smith
Oh snap.
tim pool
That would be great!
unidentified
That would be amazing.
That would be great TV.
tim pool
Let's see.
Pinking says, Clark County NV just threw out one-sixth of the votes cast.
Check out Trump's Twitter.
So we did talk about that.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Kyle Canuck says, Tim, how much have you looked into the Great Reset?
It's truly terrifying, involving everything from behavioral sciences to massive tax hikes for bolstering inclusive growth.
Someone needs to do a deep dive into this.
That's a good point.
lydia smith
Yes.
Good point.
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
Alpha says, sucker punched.
In Australia, we call them a coward punch.
The only people who attack like that are cowards.
unidentified
Indeed.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
jorge ventura
I like that, Australia.
lydia smith
Yeah, I appreciate that.
tim pool
Let's see, S.T.
Grizz says, Hey Tim, could you please bring in challenging leftist guests like Philip DeFranco and Legal Eagle?
I want to see how the debate will go with Jack Murphy.
I mean, if they would want to come on the show.
I don't know, Phil's probably way too busy.
lydia smith
He's not super lefty, is he?
tim pool
Is he a lefty?
lydia smith
I don't think so.
jack murphy
Anytime.
lydia smith
Yeah, that'd be great.
tim pool
Lone Wolf says, Genuine question.
I have friends, family on both sides, and the problem I'm seeing is both left and right people are so biased they actively refuse to consider points from either side.
Recommendations?
Tell them to watch this show.
lydia smith
That's right.
unidentified
There you go.
lydia smith
I guess.
jack murphy
Follow me on Twitter, Jack Murphy Live.
tim pool
Only we are the right ones.
Everyone else is wrong.
I don't know, man.
jack murphy
Well, you know, Tim, you joke, but we are right in the sense that we're undergoing a process to understand the truth, and that sets us apart.
unidentified
Yeah.
jorge ventura
Thanks, Jack.
tim pool
Curtis Reynolds says, know what you're describing?
Not war, not unrest, not war weary.
Revelation, evil demonic forces at work.
Perhaps.
So apparently we've got a video coming out from Project Veritas right now.
A lot of people have super chatted that Veritas has got videos of people not doing their job properly in the Georgia recount.
That'll be interesting.
jorge ventura
Oh, I'll check that out later.
lydia smith
Yeah, sure.
tim pool
Oh, this one, this super chat from Naomi got retracted, unfortunately.
jorge ventura
Oh, we need context.
lydia smith
Bring it back.
tim pool
There's nothing there.
jack murphy
Wow.
unidentified
Nothing.
jorge ventura
That's my word now, bro.
Context.
lydia smith
We need context, yeah man.
tim pool
SlobaboosTheCasualGamer says, I think I read that the owner of Newsmax donated a million to the Clinton Foundation.
jorge ventura
I heard that too.
unidentified
Really?
jorge ventura
Yeah, I heard that too.
lydia smith
Weird situation.
tim pool
Mike Sisk says, Tim, the maiden name fraud is true.
My sister had a ballot with her marriage name sent to her home, uh, her home, and her maiden name ballot sent to my house where she lived by, uh, by she got married.
When she got married?
lydia smith
Huh.
tim pool
Where she got married?
And I'm in New Jersey.
Mass mail ballots.
Interesting.
Someone said, uh, DJ Strickland, I moved out of Arizona 12 years ago and someone requested a ballot in my name.
I reported it to the Trump war room.
Interesting.
Yeah, man.
Yeah.
jack murphy
Report it to Matt Brainerd.
lydia smith
Heck yeah.
tim pool
Matt Brainerd.
Rocket Boo says, I saw your last video.
Welcome to the right, my friend.
Well, it's always been right.
So the, the, uh, the, uh, transparency tube considers me right wing because my channels are anti-woke.
And I'm like, I don't even know if that's a fair assessment either.
I don't know.
Ben Shapiro called me heterodox, because I don't really fit into any of these bubbles.
Yeah, I like that.
jorge ventura
What does that mean?
Yeah, that's cool.
jack murphy
Heterodox, it means not ideological.
jorge ventura
Maybe you're politically homeless, Tim.
unidentified
He is, for sure.
lydia smith
Yeah, he's said that many times.
tim pool
But like, when it comes, like, I've done segments on how I think diversity in movies is good.
You can't, I said, you can't just expect every movie to always be some, like, 30-year-old white, you know, dude.
As the action hero.
So I think it's cool that Marvel is gonna do, you know, Shang-Chi or whatever the movie's called or whatever.
But the problem is the ham-fisted and authoritarian practice, how they use wokeness, and how that's not real diversity.
They're just trying to, like, convince you they're doing the right thing, but really they just want power.
So it's like, it's like a weird thing that doesn't fit neatly into any box, I suppose.
And the funny thing is, too, I'm like, my political policies are like center left.
Doesn't matter, though.
jack murphy
You're a progressive with a skateboard.
Sounds to me like you're Antifa, bro.
lydia smith
He really does.
tim pool
Someone superchatted asked me if I was Antifa.
jack murphy
You know what it was, though?
tim pool
You know what it was, though?
I'll tell you what.
I took the way they determine whether or not you're like left, right or whatever.
The Leave Me Alone Party.
Yes, that's me.
sides with or whatever it's like this website where you answer a bunch of
questions and it said that I'm most likely like the closest party to me is a
Libertarian Party and I'm like makes sense I think a lot of Americans
unidentified
probably would would follow that you know leave me alone party yeah exactly
tim pool
let me do my thing I guess you support fascism do I support fascism
ian crossland
No.
Then you're anti-fascist.
unidentified
There you go.
Boom.
lydia smith
Done.
Nailed it.
tim pool
Pool is Antifa confirmed.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
I mean, they said it.
It's their qualification.
I will proudly say that I am anti-fascist.
Me too.
If I could put Antifa in my pro- I'll take it.
100%.
And it's their- hey, they're the ones who made- I'm sure they would not be happy about it.
Tim Pool is not, no way, he's a fascist.
Hey, hey, hey.
I say it right now.
I hereby, and I've said it in the past, oppose, denounce, reject, and would actively seek to stop fascism.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Holler.
jack murphy
Ditto.
lydia smith
Same, honestly.
tim pool
We're all Antifa.
Oh, snap.
Let's all go to the latest meeting and see how that goes.
jack murphy
Yeah, let's do it.
Hello, fellow Antifers.
tim pool
Antifers.
jorge ventura
I've got a feeling I might be the only Latino in the meeting.
unidentified
Yeah, you might be.
tim pool
You really might be.
Citizen King says, the important thing is moral choice.
Evil has to exist along with good in order that moral choice may operate.
Life is sustained by the grinding opposition of moral entities.
Anthony Burgess.
Interesting.
jack murphy
So he's saying I'm never gonna feel good.
I guess so.
jorge ventura
That's what he's saying.
jack murphy
Embrace the struggle.
tim pool
SporkWitch says, USAF vet here.
Syria, not others, I oppose invading Iraq.
The rebels asked for help and we didn't go in.
It was when we refused to step in that it, that's, I don't know, did, that someone did, it's, I don't know, and offered them weapons.
Oh, ISIS did and offered them weapons.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Training personnel not going into Syria made room for ISIS and then it was too late.
Yes, I'll take your word for it for sure, but I've also read a bit about it.
It's also the fact that the U.S.
has long wanted to assist in the destabilization of Syria, and in 2009 it was reported in The Guardian that the U.S.
actually had plans for a ground operation to dismantle their government because they rejected our proposal to build the Qatar-Turkey pipeline through their country in favor of Russia building their own version of it.
So it's convenient that the country then destabilized with these mass protests and the U.S.
was on the opposition side, which then gave rise to ISIS.
The U.S.
wanted the country to fall apart.
They got their wish.
And then ISIS.
jack murphy
Let's see.
tim pool
Shab says, Tim Lydia, would be amazing to see Robert Barnes and Viva Frey on your show.
And we are absolutely open for that.
lydia smith
Yes.
Viva is from Canada.
That's the issue.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Otherwise, that'd be fantastic.
lydia smith
Yeah, it'd be super fun.
jack murphy
Barnes is good.
tim pool
Yeah.
Kyle Hopkins says, the people Jack were describing are utilitarians.
EA also fall into this category.
They care not about the individual people or country, but rather the human race.
These beliefs are the foundation of the Reset and of a globalistic society.
And the Borg, actually.
I don't think you can just be specifically deontological or utilitarian because there's different circumstances that require different, you know, I guess...
Sometimes you might say if the only outcome is going to be death.
For instance, if we're looking at economic destruction, which results in mass suicide and death, or we're looking at COVID death, well, then we're going to have to be utilitarian on this one.
If the cure is worse than the disease, then we're going to have to choose no lockdowns.
If the disease was substantially worse, then we have to choose the economic strife.
jack murphy
What he just said, the thing is that there's a conflict inside all of us.
I am perfectly willing to put my needs behind the needs of my family, even the needs of my community.
Going out into the street and reporting an Antifa and confronting them, that's about putting the needs of the nation ahead of mine.
And I'm happy to make that personal decision.
I don't want my government making that decision for me.
lydia smith
That should be a personal decision.
jack murphy
Right, exactly.
I love, it's Taleb, I think, who said, I'm a communist at home, right?
unidentified
And then like a, you know, and then like a... Oh, a communist at home, a socialist with your family, and then a libertarian in government, right?
jack murphy
That's the way it should be.
tim pool
Black Veil says, Tim, I respect you, and I think I'm a pretty average person, but I'm scared and tired of the whole thing.
I don't want my head in the sand, but I really don't want to be metaphorically crucified.
I'm scared that if I choose or participate, I'll be on the wrong side.
Advice.
jack murphy
Don't participate.
tim pool
Well, actually, it's on yourself.
I'll give you advice.
lydia smith
I will.
tim pool
What happens when they show up to your house?
They show up to people's houses who aren't doing anything wrong.
In Milwaukee, they set fire to someone's home because someone said that there were kids missing and the house had the kids in it.
It can happen.
If you don't stand up for your fundamental rights, you will lose them.
And then you will find yourself being locked in your home with no food and no one to help you.
And you'll say, if only I stood up when I had the chance.
So speak up now or forever hold your peace.
jack murphy
But that starts with taking care of yourself first.
Physical fitness, mental stability, emotional and spiritual stability.
Work on that.
Start there.
Saving the world starts in the squat rack.
ian crossland
Psilocybin also just got legalized in DC, I hear, and crying is okay.
lydia smith
Wow.
tim pool
And you say what?
And crying?
ian crossland
Crying is okay.
It's a nice detox.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack murphy
Catharsis.
tim pool
Jesse Stigler says, does Jack Murphy really do golden shower videos?
unidentified
What?
What is that?
lydia smith
What on earth?
What a great question.
jack murphy
No idea.
lydia smith
I don't think so.
jack murphy
Thanks for that.
lydia smith
Yeah, much appreciated.
jack murphy
Me and Trump.
lydia smith
Yeah, I know.
tim pool
Oh, I get it.
They don't exist.
The Trump tape, huh?
lydia smith
Yeah, may or may not exist.
tim pool
Proud American says, it's crazy how the left has propagandized importance on American politics to millennials.
In my 20s, importance was placed on building my career and my family.
Priorities are out of whack these days.
I would think so, yeah.
Darkling Dawn says, what is your opinion on Trump's drone strike record?
Um, my understanding is that he is not good on it at all.
That he actually upped it and made it really, really, uh, made it a whole lot worse.
But then once he got rid of Bolton, my understanding, I could be wrong, is that he started to improve.
He didn't get us into any new wars, so... Look, I'll tell you this.
He fired, what, 59 Tomahawk missiles into Syria?
That was a huge mistake.
At, like, an airport or something.
It was dumb.
So, I think at the very end, I'm looking at these peace agreements, I'm looking at withdrawing our troops, and I'm like, good.
Because the U.S.
has never justified these things.
They tried.
There were no weapons of mass destruction, it was all BS.
jack murphy
Do you remember after the 59 or whatever Tomahawk missiles, everybody on CNN was like, Trump just became president.
tim pool
Was, is Trump now acting presidential?
jack murphy
Right.
The only way you can be presidential is when you drop bombs from space.
tim pool
Yeah.
That's exactly it.
jack murphy
Not space.
You know what I mean?
lydia smith
From orbit.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
He was like a different person after that too.
He was looked so somber, like he had all those deaths on his head.
It wasn't that many deaths, according to the thing, the news, you know, he felt it.
lydia smith
Yeah.
ian crossland
That changed him.
tim pool
Spartan Chuckle says Trump is distantly related to Heinz founder.
unidentified
I don't know who this is.
lydia smith
Sorry.
tim pool
TxHorseRescue says Schwab wrote Great Reset years ago.
H1N1 was supposed to be the pandemic that kicked off the Great Reset.
Is that true?
I don't know if that's true, but I know that the Great Reset initiative, like their plans for it, has been around for a long time.
It's like people think, you know, when you talk about the stuff, there's a conspiracy.
I'm like, it's on, it's on the website.
I actually was, I went to, I went to Davos a few years ago.
It was so boring and dumb, but it was like all of these super wealthy global elites, man.
It was like the epitome of stereotypical elite being in Davos.
There was a crazy blizzard.
So like the snow was like five feet.
It was nuts.
And then I was like, this is dumb.
And I left.
I didn't want to be there.
ian crossland
Klaus Schwab is in his 80s, so I would be shocked to find out that he just now started thinking about that.
lydia smith
Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
They're saying Bitcoin's going to hit, what, 390K by next year.
ian crossland
5% today.
tim pool
By next year.
I think it was Chase or JP Morgan or whatever, both banks issued these huge projections that Bitcoin's going to skyrocket.
ian crossland
Dude, are they just going to blow up the U.S.
dollar?
jack murphy
Why did they make those projections, Tim?
Because they just loaded up a massive position.
They just loaded up a massive position.
tim pool
Right. So they buy a whole bunch of Bitcoin and say, no, it's going to get really big.
And it's true because we bought it.
But so is it going to get big?
No, I think that's true.
A lot of people say that. But I also think if we're going to be locked down for another
year, it's not that Bitcoin is going to go up.
It's that the dollar is going to go down.
ian crossland
And the Bitcoin will go up as a result because it's relative to the U.S.
dollar.
That's how they measure it.
tim pool
So Bitcoin, I would imagine, is going to go up and I'll probably end up buying a bit.
ian crossland
Dude, if they're saying it's going to be $300,000 by next year, that means the U.S.
dollar is going to tank.
jack murphy
I live through the mortgage-backed securities industry.
I live through bump and dump from every investment bank saying, buy these mortgage-backed securities.
They're 100% fail-proof.
No problem.
You're going to be fine.
And at the same time, they're selling them because they're scamming But I'm not concerned about the price of Bitcoin.
tim pool
I'm concerned about the effect of the economy.
jack murphy
Oh, no, sure.
I'm talking to my friend Ian, who's like, they say it's going to go to $3.90.
It's time to buy.
ian crossland
I would say, Jack, divest out of the U.S.
dollar.
tim pool
I do think it's time to buy.
ian crossland
Don't sit all your money in the U.S.
unidentified
dollar.
jack murphy
Has that correlation, Sean, been proven between gold, Bitcoin, and the dollar?
Do Bitcoin and gold move in tandem against the dollar?
I don't think so.
tim pool
They don't, no.
jack murphy
Right.
So that kind of throws that theory out.
ian crossland
No, gold doesn't, but Bitcoin I think does.
tim pool
But listen, listen, listen.
ian crossland
Yeah, Bitcoin does actually.
tim pool
I posted on this, I know this guy.
ian crossland
Yeah, Bitcoin gets more valuable the less valuable the dollar is.
You just get more dollars per Bitcoin.
tim pool
There's not a hard correlation because Bitcoin has been fluctuating rapidly in a crazy way.
But anyway, somebody posted something about how like the government should just pay everyone to stay home because of lockdown and it's like, oh, surprise.
And I said, it's really funny that you guys just like announced you defeated fascism by voting out Trump, but now you're like, yay, government forced lockdowns to lock us in our house.
And he's making a comment about like, just if the government should pay us money so we can stay in our houses and there's so much wrong.
And I was like, bro, if everyone stays in their homes, who's going to make the stuff you would buy with those dollars?
There's not going to be anything to buy.
The value of the dollar is predicated upon being able to do things with it.
So I think the dollar is going to go down.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Because there's not going to be anything you can do with it.
jack murphy
Velocity will be going down.
ian crossland
That's what happens.
If a Bitcoin is worth $100 and then the dollar depreciates by 10%, Bitcoin will be worth $110.
So it's a direct correlation.
That's why it's been constantly going up is because the dollar is inflating.
Yeah, the debt's gone up by like 6 trillion.
tim pool
Bitcoin has gone up and down in many different ways.
ian crossland
It's always gone up.
tim pool
It hasn't always gone up.
It's not even at its highest point it's ever been.
ian crossland
What was the highest?
unidentified
20,000?
jack murphy
Yeah, 20-something.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, you're right.
tim pool
Yeah, it dropped way down.
jorge ventura
It went from like 20 to 3.
ian crossland
All of them did.
jorge ventura
I don't even know about Bitcoin anymore.
tim pool
Do you remember that?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
There was rampant speculation, people went nuts, and then, dude, these stories were crazy.
Some dude, there was like an interview with a guy who said he mortgaged his home to buy Bitcoin when it was at $20K, and then it dropped to $3K.
He was like, what have I done?
It's like, dude, talk about not a smart thing to do.
But I will say this, Bitcoin's been relatively stable at its current price.
It's up a bit right now.
It was at like $13.9 a week, like two weeks ago, so it's gone up quite a bit.
I'm willing to bet Bitcoin's gonna go way up.
I don't think $400,000, that would be nuts.
But, I do think they're saying, what did Biden say, dark winter?
Prepare for the dark winter, it's coming.
His Osterholm, his guy, said six-week national lockdown.
Remember when they said 15 days to slow the spread?
lydia smith
Uh-huh.
tim pool
What do you think a six-week lockdown nationwide really means?
lydia smith
Six months.
Six years.
ian crossland
The U.S.
debt's at $27 trillion something, and they just pumped like $6 trillion in.
They're gonna have to do another big pump of another $3 trillion to handle this.
tim pool
I'm not here to give anyone advice, but I'll tell you what I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna buy Bitcoin.
I'm not going to go crazy.
I'm not going to load up.
ian crossland
Yeah, but that's like, what person can do that?
unidentified
Ruples?
That's like what person can do that.
Ruples?
ian crossland
Ruples bitcoins whatever gold you know commodities
like magic cards just divest out of the US dollar.
Yeah. Other foreign currencies if you want to divest but just divest your funds.
tim pool
Is it is if.
Forex, people do that, right?
Foreign exchange.
Well, I tell you what, with Joe Biden coming in, it sounds like a great opportunity to buy some yuan, you know?
Just load up on that Chinese currency, you know what I mean?
lydia smith
Good idea.
tim pool
I'm not being serious.
lydia smith
This is not financial advice.
Why wasn't I thinking about this?
tim pool
I'm joking.
lydia smith
We need a disclaimer now.
tim pool
Yeah, but I am worried about the U.S.
economy, man.
ian crossland
I'm terrified.
It's the highest the debt's ever been.
jorge ventura
In my home state of California, we were the first state to do a statewide lockdown, and we've been locked down since March.
We're already going into that ninth month.
California's already, the cost of living is already crazy.
California's a state that says that they're, you know, they have democratic values.
Some of the people that are most suffering from all this are like the immigrants.
They can't get stimulus checks.
Some of these people are small business owners and nothing's coming in, absolutely nothing.
It's just, it's, I don't know, it's honestly heartbreaking just to keep thinking about it, but it's...
I mean, it's the current situation.
ian crossland
I was going to tell Alex about defaulting on the debt to the Federal Reserve and see
what he thought about that.
I didn't get a chance.
What do you guys think about that and repurposing the debt?
lydia smith
I don't know.
jorge ventura
Yeah.
I mean, all I can say this is like, even, even last month when I was in North Carolina, uh, covering a Trump rally, you know, speaking, interviewing voters.
And I asked one, this one guy about his thoughts on the Hunter Biden laptop.
And immediately he says, look, man, to keep it real with you, everyone that I know are small business owners.
And so I, so am I, we are all losing our business and we have no foot on the table.
We do not care what's on that laptop.
We need a stimulus check.
tim pool
Yep.
And I think if Trump would have got the stimulus check through, he would have won.
jorge ventura
Me too.
tim pool
Yeah.
jorge ventura
That's where I keep... Massively.
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, if they do a recount and these numbers keep coming back, I mean, maybe Trump will end up winning.
You know, we'll see.
ian crossland
I think I said default on the debt.
I mean, default on the interest to the Federal Reserve.
Maybe not all the debt at once.
tim pool
Maybe that'll be what they want because it'll cause a massive collapse of the global economy and they can have their great reset.
ian crossland
Interesting.
tim pool
Yeah, drive up the debt to a ridiculous number and then just say, no one gets paid back.
ian crossland
Of course that's what they're going to do.
jack murphy
Debt jubilee happened all through history.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
Jubilee, just like, just canceling it.
lydia smith
Yep.
jack murphy
Happened many times.
lydia smith
Happened in the Bible all the time.
tim pool
I don't know what's going to happen, man, but I tell you this, it feels like we're in the calm before the storm.
This is the calm?
unidentified
This is the calm.
lydia smith
This is when you have a chance to load up on the boat.
tim pool
This is the calm, dude.
Because listen, Right now, you've got Trump supporters saying, Trump won.
Stop the steal.
And there's been no certification.
And I'm watching, you know, I watched Newsmax for the first time today.
And they were basically just talking like, Trump won.
We know it.
That's definitive.
You turn on any other mainstream news outlet and they're like, Biden won.
It's definitive.
Even Fox News.
So like, people right now, they're chilling because we haven't had certification.
But I wonder what happens when they say, we certify the electoral votes for, name a president.
jorge ventura
I think, I mean, I feel like all hell's going to break loose.
The thing is, the right is now rising up and they're not going to be taken to the streets, I think, the way, you know, they came out.
I mean, right, Jack?
I mean, it was just thousands and thousands of people there.
So to me, it was just like, I just don't see how these people, you just put Biden as president.
They're just going to be like, all right, he's president.
We're just going to go back to our regular.
I don't, I don't see it.
I mean, what do you think?
jack murphy
What I'm worrying about is people that trust the plan to cue people that they're going to have some sort of mental event.
tim pool
Mental event.
jack murphy
Yeah, right.
I mean they're there are mentally and emotionally invested in this story and if it doesn't pan out And they've been trusting the plan every step of the way no matter how many times it's been bad for Trump There's gonna be rage around that.
Yeah, there's no rage.
jorge ventura
Yeah, so you never know and I think we saw like no Yeah, we saw like a slight preview of that on Saturday with families getting attacked older couples getting attacked Right, right But what I'm saying is just that constant clash between these two groups.
I mean, I think we're heading into some unprecedented territories.
Like I said before, I feel like we're in like Bolivia 2019 right now.
unidentified
Man.
tim pool
So what does that end up becoming then, if that is the case?
Should we buy our gold?
Buy our silver?
Hide your kids?
Hide your wife?
jorge ventura
Ian, what should I do?
ian crossland
Buy copper.
unidentified
I'm buying copper.
jorge ventura
I'm going with Ian's advice.
lydia smith
I'm buying copper.
tim pool
You know, I bought some copper wire just because we're going to build stuff with it.
I guess we're going to make like lasers or something.
lydia smith
I bought silver.
ian crossland
I think you should buy Bitcoin.
I think buy Bitcoin when it goes up.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
You can't give financial advice.
lydia smith
Yeah, we're not doing that.
tim pool
You literally can't legally give financial advice.
ian crossland
To Jorge?
You just asked me what he should do.
lydia smith
Yeah.
ian crossland
All right.
I think spread out your money to different commodities, including Bitcoin, any kind of crypto that you like.
Investigate what the cryptos are, because a lot of them are different and work with different.
Stock up on food and water.
Always.
Everyone should do that anyway.
Ammo.
lydia smith
Ammunition, if they can get any.
ian crossland
Gold.
Commodities that you like.
You know, Tim and I invest in Magic Cards.
That's a fun trading card game.
tim pool
That's because I like playing the game.
I'm not confident Magic Cards will survive the Civil War.
ian crossland
I have a little bit of stock on the stock market.
tim pool
Wait, wait, can you imagine it's like post-apocalyptic world and there's a dude and he's got like really grimy, nasty water in a bucket and he's like, I don't see it.
I don't know.
I think you'll be alright if you divest your finances.
I got an original alpha lightning bolt and the guy goes, whoa, why didn't you say so? Yeah
unidentified
I don't see it. I don't know. I think you'll be all right if you divest your your finances
tim pool
I suppose you want it's it's you got here's the way you got to think about it. What what do you have?
That's valuable. I tell you what the first thing I would do The first thing I did a long time ago is download a
survival guide to your phone Download the submit you can download the entirety of
Wikipedia onto your phone Like every article.
Screenshot it as of right now.
Wikipedia is far from perfect, but there's a lot of really great stuff you might find in there.
Let's say you're in the middle of the woods, and you see like this weird looking mushroom, and you're like, I'm hungry man, can I eat that?
And then you take, you look it up, you can get an app that identifies mushrooms.
You know, you might never find yourself in the woods, but we hear stories about like some lady went for a walk, got lost in the woods.
If she had a survival guide, it might have helped her out.
Something simple you can do.
And you should buy a first aid kit.
That's, like, obvious.
Everybody's house should have one of those.
Water, too.
Sometimes it rains, you know, and you get flooded and you can't go out and go to the store, so... We just got some rain barrels.
lydia smith
Yeah, there you go.
ian crossland
We have a rain barrel system set up.
It's legal in this state.
Hopefully, I wish it was legal everywhere.
Here's some states it's not legal and it's very strange.
tim pool
Well, it depends on where you are.
Because if people keep just collecting water, then there's no more water going back into, like, the, you know, natural water base or whatever.
And then there's like rules about your backyard.
So if you're in like a dense suburban area that you can't collect water because it's like, you know, I don't cause
problems for the locals.
Yeah.
Yeah.
ian crossland
Disease that might harbor disease.
tim pool
Jack, you look all excited.
unidentified
No, I got nothing.
I'm like, yeah, that's weird.
jack murphy
I got nothing on rain barrels.
tim pool
Friends, if you haven't already, smash that like button and follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and Parler at TimCast.
Check out my other YouTube channels, YouTube.com slash TimCast and YouTube.com slash TimCastNews.
And you know what?
I'm going to shamelessly self-promote.
lydia smith
Do it.
tim pool
I have a music video.
It's called Will of the People.
lydia smith
It's awesome.
tim pool
It's so good.
It's so amazing.
Everybody just loves it.
But here's what we're going to do.
When we end the show, I'll play the song for you guys just because it's like the easiest way to promote it.
So that's how we'll sign off with the Will of the People music video.
But you can search for it on YouTube.
You'll see it.
And it's really cool.
It's about the cycle of revolution.
We did this really awesome video about basically what's going on with people who think they should change the world.
And then they end up becoming... Well, I don't want to give away too much.
You should watch it if you haven't already.
jack murphy
No spoilers.
tim pool
Yeah, but you should watch it.
It's really good.
It's about like a lot of what's going on right now.
So it's called Will of the People.
We'll play it in just a minute.
jack murphy
But before we go, you want to... I'm Jack Murphy.
Go to my YouTube page, hit subscribe, remind, notifications, all those things.
And Jack Murphy Live on Twitter, please.
I also wrote a book.
It's called Democrats are Deplorable.
unidentified
It's pretty good.
tim pool
The definitive guide on why people voted for Trump.
jack murphy
That's exactly right.
Also describing why 2020 is not the end.
It really does lay out sort of a decades long Cool.
A viewpoint of the conflict ahead of us.
tim pool
And Jack usually comes on every other Wednesday.
jack murphy
That's right.
tim pool
But because Jack and Jorge were both on the ground at this crazy event, I was like, you guys got to come and we got to talk about this stuff.
But yeah, Jorge, you want to mention your channel?
jorge ventura
Yeah.
So Jorge Ventura, field reporter with The Daily Caller.
Twitter would be Ventura Report.
And then my Instagram is JorgeVenturaTV.
We do all the ground coverage all over the United States.
So I feel like everyone would like the coverage that they get.
And I don't got a book yet like Jack, so maybe next time I might have that book to plug in.
tim pool
Right on.
lydia smith
We'll get there.
jack murphy
Awesome, dude.
ian crossland
Hey, I'm Ian Crossland.
You can follow me all over.
I'm going to be streaming and experimenting with Streamlabs in the near future.
So I'll be streaming to YouTube, Facebook and Twitch all at the same time.
You can follow me at Ian Crossland at all those things.
And at Mines, which I am a co-founder of.
Holler back to free software and the future of humanity at Ian Crossland.
Follow me on Twitter and I'll let you know when I go live.
tim pool
Cool.
And of course, our petulance.
lydia smith
So our patch lids, L-Y-D-S.
tim pool
Thank you guys so much for hanging out.
We'll be back tomorrow live at 8pm.
Smash the like button, subscribe, hit the notification bell and stick around.
I'm gonna play this song and force you to listen to it.
Shameless self-promotion.
unidentified
Later, everybody!
Out on the march in the morning He called his soldiers down To take aim at the traitors To gun those rebels down
Now they'll face the consequences And howl themselves up It is the will of the people
To stand!
I wish I could spare them, make them see the path.
Tempting as that sounds, I'll let it pass I know what's needed for the good of my people
To save them Out in the dark, without warning
He raised his fist above Let it fly to his people
To tear those statues down Now to face the consequences
They held themselves above This is the way a lot of the people
Say I wish I could spare them, make them see the path
Tempting as that sounds, I'll let it pass I know what's needed for the good of my people
To save them you
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