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Nov. 3, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Jack Posobiec And Lauren Chen IN STUDIO, Election Preview And Predictions
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you you
tim pool
you you for some reason 538 odds ridiculously low saying Donald
Trump's got 10% chance of winning
Yet, the betting markets are very different.
So you've got Predicted giving Trump around a 40%.
And interestingly, there was one I covered, I think it's DraftKings, where every person in every state except Colorado, or I should say the majority, bet that Trump will win tomorrow.
There is 50 billion reasons why the media says he will lose, and there is, like, a couple billion reasons why people think he's gonna win, and we don't know who's right or who's wrong.
And just because the media has their consensus doesn't mean what they're saying is actually true.
So, as we are about to, uh, what is it?
It's eight o'clock.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
We're four hours away from official election day.
I am extremely honored and lucky to have Jack Posobiec in studio.
unidentified
Here we are.
tim pool
That's Jack.
lydia smith
There's Jack.
tim pool
You're on camera.
jack posobiec
Hey, hey.
tim pool
And Lauren Chen at the same time.
Yeah this is this is gonna be fantastic so we have a lot to talk about I suppose and we are we are already just talking about so much pertaining to the election and and what's gonna happen and I guess my first question just to start everything off actually I'm sorry before I do smash the like button smash it and subscribe and we will we do the show Monday to Friday at 8 p.m.
tomorrow we're doing a big party where we're just gonna pull one of the cameras back let it go and we have a ton of people who are coming and we're just gonna let them come in and out and do whatever so it's gonna be really weird you're gonna be like those two people in the same room together There's gonna be like a plumber sitting with a farmer cats and dogs at the same time we'd be crazy.
So anyway tomorrow's gonna be nuts and There's a lot of really weird things going on So I think we should just jump right in my question to you guys whoever wants to go is uh, who's gonna win?
jack posobiec
Well, so here's how tomorrow's going to play out, right?
The left has already kind of said this, and the media is sort of massaging this talking point into their broadcasting, where they're talking about this thing called a red mirage.
And a red mirage is what they claim It means that Donald Trump is going to look like he has this massive electoral victory tomorrow.
Nate Silver even talked about this.
And yet then the mail-in ballots in some of these states will get counted later and then so that is going to be cut into.
Now in some states they do it differently.
In some states they'll begin counting immediately when the polls open.
In other states they're waiting until after they have social distancing concerns or they're just literally don't have the personnel to be able to do this.
And so my prediction is chaos, lots of chaos, because you might end up having a situation where it looks like Trump ran the table, wins all the swing states, and then some of those states that look red might start flipping blue.
tim pool
And no one's going to trust that.
jack posobiec
And where's the level of trust in our national institutions?
To show somebody something like that right now Right.
lauren chen
I mean I am so hesitant usually to make predictions especially when perhaps if I say so they get 24 hours We're all gonna look so stupid But my gut instincts and it's kind of like one of those examples of don't believe your lying eyes, right when I see the huge enormous rallies in places like Pennsylvania and you know even in places like Arizona was at 96 miles the little Trump caravan they had and I feel like Trump has a legitimate chance of winning.
But the whole thing with the mail-in ballots, all of that happening, I'm not sure.
I think what's probably going to happen is that in a lot of these swing states, it's going to lean toward Trump and then people are going to say, hang on, we can't yet call it because we have all these extra ballots to count.
And I've seen some people say that might even take up to weeks.
And I think, like you said, Tim, a lot of people aren't going to trust that.
And I think there's not enough confidence.
that mail-in voting is secure, that people are gonna accept that. And I'm nervous. I'm hoping
that the election results either way are so strong where they can't really be contested,
but I don't think that's gonna be the case.
tim pool
The only way Trump wins tomorrow night and the left says, OK, OK, Trump won, is if he gets like, OK, so if there are
20 million people in Pennsylvania and we get 15 million votes, Trump with 8 million, Biden
with 7, they're gonna say, there's 5 million more votes that could potentially come in
the mail.
That's enough for Biden to win. So it would have to be, Trump would have to have a lead
above Biden more than the remaining population of people who are not counted as voting.
jack posobiec
Yeah, it actually used to be in Pennsylvania is my home state.
I worked a lot of elections there statewide.
But it doesn't matter.
The election law is the same regardless of size of the election.
So it used to be that on election day, if you're and this probably won't be true for tomorrow, but it used to be this idea that Because those are all unofficial, right?
Those are always unofficial, and then the officials come in later.
But it used to be that in the unofficial tally, you wouldn't even dip into the absentee ballots if your delta was less than your margin of victory.
So if the amount of absentee ballots you have come in that was less than, let's say that was, you know, five points, but you had a 10 point lead, well, then it wouldn't matter because you wouldn't be able to swing the election.
You would get to them, of course, you'd make sure they're counted, but you wouldn't need to get to them on election night because it wouldn't make a difference.
lauren chen
You can still call it either way.
jack posobiec
You can still call it, right.
tim pool
This is the weird thing I remember seeing in the midterms.
There were some districts where it was like 30% reporting, but that's enough for us to say this Democrat had won.
Because there's no way with the rest of the precincts reporting it would be enough people to outweigh like the urban center.
So that's not by population, it was by like the amount of precincts.
But they're saying everything is opposite now.
Nothing makes sense.
We're just supposed to sit back and wait until all the ballots are counted.
But we don't know what all the ballots means.
jack posobiec
The mayor of Philadelphia, Jim Kenney, came out and said this morning definitively that it will take us several days to count the ballots.
And he said we have 400,000 mail-in ballots and it will take us several days.
tim pool
OK, well, as long as they know what the number is.
But I guess the real issue is, I mean, we are going to see... OK, you know what?
I'm just going to say it.
I'm totally getting banned from YouTube in the next several days or something.
unidentified
Sure.
tim pool
Because you're not allowed to question this stuff.
I'm not kidding.
I did a video on Project Veritas.
I don't know if you guys saw that expose they did where they caught that lady bragging about, you know, give me money and I'll get you votes.
jack posobiec
Right, right.
tim pool
They demonetized it and it get a strike or anything and they demonetized it a few days later.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
And they told me that what I said could scare people into not voting.
And I was like, I covered a news story about one lady who was caught engaging in fraud and they're like, yeah, but
just so you know, it's like, okay, okay.
We know.
Here's what's going to happen.
First, they've already started banning tons of people.
You know, I don't know if you guys have seen these stories.
Trump tweeted about it.
Facebook groups.
And yeah, people are just getting eliminated.
I'm willing to bet tomorrow Trump's going to have a very, very clear definitive majority.
This is my prediction, which I know in a day they're going to be like, you're so dumb, damn well.
OK, so I think Trump's going to do really, really well in the key states he needs to win.
It's going to look like historic voter turnout.
It's going to be epic.
And then they're going to say, we refuse to call it.
We're going to wait until all the votes come in.
But they're not going to know.
Even if they say, like, we sent out 400,000 ballots, that was Philadelphia?
jack posobiec
That's what Kenny said, yeah.
lauren chen
Wait, they sent out or they received?
jack posobiec
I would have to double check, but I know the number he said was 400,000.
lauren chen
Right, because that's a huge difference.
And I think that's probably what you're getting at.
jack posobiec
Right.
I think it was received.
tim pool
Okay.
If they send out, like, look at New Jersey.
How many, how many mail-in ballots did Jersey send out?
How many people live in Jersey?
Eight million or something?
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
Everybody got a ballot.
Plus people don't live there.
That's the craziest thing.
jack posobiec
College kids that aren't in school.
What do you do with that?
That are not from Jersey, but have they registered at their dorm?
Did they register at the apartment they rent?
Now they're back with their parents.
Then what do you do with that?
tim pool
I'm willing to bet you're gonna see that New Jersey issued more mail-in ballots than they have people in the state.
jack posobiec
Not surprising.
tim pool
I can tell you because in the primary, I got a ballot to my house for someone who didn't live there and didn't request one.
It was a primary ballot.
And now, a ballot got sent to my house with one name on the envelope and a different name inside the envelope.
And so, it's not my business, not my ballot, so I'm going to leave it to the people who got the ballot and they can deal with it.
But basically what I'm saying is I've seen the failure, but you've also got all these posts popping up with people saying, you know, I got ballots to my house from people who are dead.
So that means, I saw this a lot in California, that means more ballots than people are being sent out.
jack posobiec
Right.
So this is this is where that sort of and the Democrats know this, right?
They're very they're very well aware of this.
And they know they put all their chips in on mail in ballots, even though in a lot of these swing states, Pennsylvania specifically, because I know that one very well, they're worried about this.
And so why?
They're doing this is because they're putting out that phrase, and you're hearing this phrase again and again.
We need to count all the ballots.
Count all the ballots.
But you notice they never add, we need to verify the ballots, we need to check the ballots, the ballots need to have integrity.
lauren chen
Well, in their minds, that's voter suppression.
jack posobiec
What does all the ballots mean?
Josh Shapiro, AG of Pennsylvania.
What do you mean count all the ballots?
tim pool
And he said, when we count all the ballots, Trump will have lost.
jack posobiec
When he said on October 31st on Halloween evening, he said, and this is a guy I've known 15 years back when he was state rep, Josh Shapiro, and he usually doesn't go full mask off like that.
You always have to kind of like read between the lines on him.
He said, when we count all the ballots, Trump will have lost.
How can an election official say something like that in a state like Pennsylvania, which is such a vital state, probably it is the vital state.
I've been saying again and again, Pennsylvania is the keystone.
And yet you have an official saying that.
And here's the thing.
Democrats control pretty much everything in the state of Pennsylvania right now.
It just is what it is.
They control the Supreme Court.
They control gerrymandering and redistricting.
They control the governor.
They control the attorney general.
They obviously control the city of Philadelphia.
Sometimes I think it's like Moscow on the Delaware over there.
Which, believe me, I worked in elections in Philadelphia a long time.
I was the Temple University Republican chairman.
I was there for four years, North Philly.
So believe me, I've seen I was there when the Black Panthers came out in 2008 in front of the polls.
We didn't have iPhones back then.
That was all flip videos that we gave everybody to like, hey, see something, film something.
And that's where it started.
And look at where that's going, too.
So I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow in the city, but we're going to be on hand to find out.
lauren chen
Well, what's kind of concerning about it is that people like us who kind of question, hey, there's potential for fraud, right?
This is not a secure system.
Now, the Democrats have kind of set this narrative up where if there's anything that's called into question after the fact, they're going to brand, you know, conspiracy theorists.
You're trying to Subvert democracy and things like that.
And I actually think, and you guys can disagree, but I don't think you will, that big tech, if anyone starts to say something like, I don't know if this is legit or valid, that's probably going to be grounds for being banned.
unidentified
Wrong.
tim pool
If Joe Biden says it, it'll be okay.
jack posobiec
Oh, that's true.
tim pool
So no, you're right.
You're right.
You're right.
But yeah, if the Democrats do it, they're going to be like, well, Joe Biden is allowed to declare victory.
Trump is not.
jack posobiec
I'll never forget the words Mark Zuckerberg used in that.
You know, it's like one of those memes.
Like, no one, absolutely no one.
Mark Zuckerberg explaining how the elections will be verified.
Nobody asked you about this, Mark Zuckerberg.
Why are you cutting a video on this?
He said, we're going to wait for there to be a consensus result before we allow someone to declare victory on our platform.
Whose consensus, Mark?
tim pool
Joe Biden's.
jack posobiec
The Constitution?
The states?
unidentified
Who?
What do you mean?
jack posobiec
You're a Silicon Valley billionaire.
You have no role here.
lauren chen
One of the biggest failures of the Republican administration over the past four years, in my opinion, has not been being harsh enough on big tech.
And I know there's a lot of libertarians who think it's a private company, they can do whatever they want.
And it's like, all I want is for big tech to live up to the same standards of operations that so many other industries have to live by.
And, you know, obviously you've talked a lot about things like Section 230.
I'm not in favor of repealing Section 230 entirely.
I just don't think that Facebook should be able to claim that they're just a platform when they're actually making these editorial decisions.
They've been more and more blatant.
jack posobiec
I mean, Section 230 was written before these companies existed.
Yeah.
This world that we inhabit right now didn't exist.
It was 1996.
This world didn't exist back then.
tim pool
We need to change it.
I mean, it's obvious.
And we definitely talked about it a lot.
lauren chen
But I mean, the executive order that Trump put out regarding Section 230, I think was solid.
And if you actually read it, based on what he put out, the outlines, there is no way that places like Facebook, Twitter or YouTube can claim protection under Section 230.
So, you know, unlike what a lot of people think, I don't want the U.S.
government to nationalize Facebook and Twitter.
I would love to see like, you know, the FCC or something actually come out and say, based on this, we are ruling that these protections no longer apply to Facebook, Twitter, etc.
tim pool
They're already banning people, and I can already see it.
There's going to be some kind of blackout.
Look, I don't know exactly what's going to happen, because obviously we're going to be streaming, so we'll be talking about something here on this show.
jack posobiec
I mean, just imagine from Bandwidth's perspective of every user, every big user on these platforms is going to be live, all at the same time.
tim pool
That's probably the best safeguard we have for any kind of... It's the only one.
Scams or dirty games.
jack posobiec
It's the only one.
tim pool
But I mean, you look at how they just totally... I don't even want to say erased, but Hunter Biden doesn't exist as far as the media is concerned.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And most people know about it.
I'm not sure everyone cares.
I think conservatives and Trump supporters are like, look at this.
And the anti-Trump people are like, I literally don't care.
And I think that really does explain a lot of both sides.
Either you like Trump, think he's doing a good job, and the other side really, really hates him.
And, you know, both sides have their...
jack posobiec
I think the Hunter Biden stuff, and I say this as someone who's been, you know, all up in that hard drive.
tim pool
All up in it!
jack posobiec
That what it did was it changed the tenor of the race because it almost made Trump not the incumbent.
Because prior to that, Trump had been running as the incumbent.
I'm the president.
Joe Biden's the challenger, right?
But it changed the framing of the race that Trump is an out is now the outsider again.
And Biden is the swamp.
tim pool
Yes.
jack posobiec
It brought it.
It aligned Biden with the swamp in a way that his strategy of sort of being quiet, laying low had really prevented any serious, vigorous examination of his of his time and his family's time in business, which, by the way, these were originally Examinations and observations and investigations that were done by the Bernie bros, right?
This was, this was a thing of the left.
And you can go back to all of those different memes and videos that came out during the primaries.
And this, this was not from the right at all.
Like these were lefties talking about Joe Biden and his family.
tim pool
They were calling Joe Biden demented.
It was the progressive saying Joe Biden was, had dementia.
And of course, conservatives have long been saying it too, but now all of a sudden the tune is changing.
Now Biden's, no, it's not, he's fine.
It's like, bro, that was you on camera, what, like seven months ago saying the dude's out of his mind.
Now, now it's like, you forgot?
Do you have amnesia?
lydia smith
Do you have dementia?
tim pool
Yeah, maybe they have, maybe they're all amnesiac or whatever the word is.
jack posobiec
Oh, I think there's certainly amnesia about Kamala Harris.
It's like, your party rejected her so forcefully.
Remember, she didn't even... Tulsi Gabbard won more delegates than Kamala Harris.
Fact check me on that.
tim pool
It was like one delegate, wasn't it?
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
But Kamala Harris won zero.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
So, and it was definitely her family, or excuse me, her party that, that rejected her.
And now all of a sudden, but you know, she's also being very quiet as well.
She does like that one video every day, walking off of a private jet with like a different pair of shoes on.
And they, and they, she does like boomerang.
She's keeping boomerang in business.
And then she just disappears and that's it.
And she's gone.
tim pool
I think, I just need to say it, there is just one thing that Joe Biden is offering us that Trump never could.
Actually, there's two things.
There's two very important things.
jack posobiec
Let's go.
tim pool
True Inanna Shabba Da Pressure and Bada Keth Care.
Now listen, True Inanna Shabba Da Pressure.
True Inanna Shabba Da Pressure.
Okay.
I have no idea what that gibberish was supposed to be.
I have no idea what Bada Keth Care is supposed to be either.
And normally journalists in the media, they do something, they translate for Joe Biden.
jack posobiec
I actually tried to do that with the first one.
What did you come up with?
True and international something pressure.
tim pool
I think it was true international cooperation under pressure.
unidentified
Okay, that's pretty good.
jack posobiec
So you speak fluent Biden.
tim pool
I try.
lauren chen
It's like he makes speech typos.
unidentified
Yes, he does.
He really does.
jack posobiec
Literally, yeah.
tim pool
And we're banned.
But what's bad at CathCare?
lydia smith
I don't know.
lauren chen
I think it's a mix of Biden care, Obamacare, and health care.
jack posobiec
And Bath and Body Works.
unidentified
Yeah, just a little bit of everything.
tim pool
But where does BAD come from?
B-I-D-A-N, B-A-D-A-C-A-R-E.
lauren chen
Like Bama, Biden, health care.
unidentified
I don't know.
There we go.
lydia smith
I don't know, I got nothing.
tim pool
Basic body.
I don't, I don't know.
jack posobiec
Maybe it's an acronym plus care.
tim pool
I bring that up just to say, I can't believe we're actually in a timeline or whatever, where you have, did you see what happened today with Joe Biden at the Michigan rally?
Obama had to call him out three times and he just like... Was that real or was that edited?
jack posobiec
Cause I saw that one and now like the one with this Tampa thing that came up, it's like... I don't know about Tampa.
No, that one was edited.
That was a deepfake.
He's clearly not in Tampa, but he's saying that he's in Tampa, but he's in Minnesota.
It sounded like, which was it? He's he's clearly not in Tampa, but he's saying that he's in Tampa,
but he's in Minnesota and somebody deep faked the like logo to say Minnesota or to say Tampa and
You really don't.
He makes plenty of just organic gas.
Right, which is why a lot of people shared it and it just went off.
unidentified
totally fake it was absolutely fake that's disappointing because you don't
lauren chen
need to do that with Biden right really don't plenty of just org right which is
jack posobiec
why a lot of people shared it right and it just went off I didn't share it
myself but now I'm like questioning every even a little thing like that like
I wanted I don't know I just want to see like a full clip.
tim pool
You know that viral video of the leftists calling for a coup?
Have you seen that one?
jack posobiec
The one with like, they're all like federal workers?
tim pool
In a Zoom call?
jack posobiec
Yeah, yeah.
I was actually on their Zoom call yesterday.
tim pool
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Are they really calling it a coup?
jack posobiec
In that video, they were.
The one I was in, they didn't.
They were just talking about direct action.
tim pool
Did you see the full video though?
Because I don't think they were calling what they were doing a coup.
I think what she was saying was Trump is staging a coup.
Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Because it makes no sense for someone to be like, we're going to stage a coup and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Why would they?
You told them you were doing it.
jack posobiec
Yeah, that's actually like when people are saying, well, Jack, just go into the hard drive and find the contract where Joe Biden has his name on it with Hunter Biden and Jim Biden.
Just find the one where they lay it all out, man.
unidentified
Who would do that?
lauren chen
Unless you're like a Jussie Smollett level criminal.
This is not something you want.
jack posobiec
Yeah, it's like that scene in The Wire and Stringer Bell is like, are you seriously taking notes on a criminal conspiracy?
And he just takes it from his hand.
tim pool
But that's what the New York Times wants.
Unless they get a letter where it's like, hi, my name is Joe Biden.
My brother Jim is going to be taking money illegally for me, but my name won't be on it.
Sign this, Jim.
You're not going to get a letter that spells it all out.
lauren chen
That was actually the Biden administration's official response to when the Hunter Biden stuff came out.
It's like, there is no official meeting on his calendar.
Like, well, that makes sense, right?
It wouldn't be.
I would hope you guys are at least competent enough to try to hide your corruption.
jack posobiec
Secret meeting with Ukrainian gas executives, then Girl Scout awards at 5.15.
tim pool
I mean, they still kind of did with like, thanks for introducing me to your father and letting us spend time together or whatever.
jack posobiec
Well, the one actually that I try to get back is, so why was it that all of Hunter Biden's biggest deals were in the countries where his father was like the top diplomat for Obama, right?
tim pool
Why is it that Jim Biden got contracts for Iraq when Joe was the one overseeing American operations in Iraq?
And his brother gets a contract to build houses and makes millions of dollars.
I wonder what that's all about.
jack posobiec
Just coincidences.
lauren chen
And I liked it.
tim pool
It's cartoonishly obvious.
jack posobiec
The New York Times had this story once.
I'll never forget the wording.
And it was about Harry Reid and about how Harry Reid had made all of this money in the stock market while he was a senator.
And they went through this whole investigation.
And the phrase they used was, he just had a knack.
Yeah, he just had a knack.
tim pool
He had a knack for buying stock in the companies he was about to deregulate.
jack posobiec
He just had a knack.
He just had a knack for knowing right when to invest.
lauren chen
But I mean, I've read so many articles and things by leftists who support Joe Biden, even when they do Kind of acknowledge the whole Hunter Biden thing.
They try to distance it from Biden himself, right?
This is just, you know, yeah, this might be bad, but this is all just Hunter.
It doesn't really reflect on Biden himself.
I don't think what they're understanding or what they're trying to downplay is the fact that no, it speaks to Biden's corruption, right?
He himself, like even if you say that, all right, the cash payment, the 10% or whatever, that wasn't actually going to him.
The fact that Hunter Biden was able to get all of these jobs, obviously there must have been some sort of quid pro quo, right?
What use is the Biden name for if not to get something from his father?
tim pool
I mean, at the very least, we know for a fact that Hunter Biden flew on Air Force Two with Joe to China to negotiate private equity deals.
Okay, Joe's corrupt.
End of story.
You can throw everything else out.
The laptop can go in the trash.
I don't care.
How did it happen where it's like the U.S.
government, the vice president, is paying to bring his son to China for private equity deals?
That is enough for me.
Look, I complain when Trump was having the military state his golf courses, his resorts, and he says, I'm saving them money.
And I'm like, yeah, that may be true, but it's still a conflict of interest.
You shouldn't do it.
Trump actually backed away from the Doral thing when he wanted to do the G7.
jack posobiec
G7, yeah.
tim pool
Even conservatives are complaining.
It's like, okay, fine, we won't do it.
I think it's dumb, but whatever.
Joe Biden just kept doing it over and over again.
Even if you say, well, Joe himself wasn't involved officially, I don't care.
He was using government resources to send his kid to China for equity deals.
His kid was getting jobs.
Hunter Biden admitted to, I think it was ABC, when he was asked, would you have gotten that job were it not for your name?
And he goes, I don't know, probably not.
So even he's like, I know I'm only doing this because we're peddling influence.
jack posobiec
Well, and the one that got them all in trouble, even more so, was this tribal bonds thing that blew up after Joe left office.
And so that's why guys like Bevan Cooney are now behind bars.
That's why Devin Archer is looking at time.
It's because when Joe wasn't in office anymore, they started getting into riskier ventures.
And so the tribe even came out and said, look, the only reason that we signed this thing was because there was a Biden name on it.
And we thought that was something that we could trust, which, I mean, if you want to get into the whole history of like Native Americans, tribes and trusting, you know, like, I mean, there's obviously, you know, you can you can play that thread out.
I mean, it's horrible, like, you know, people that's been, you know, treated the way they have.
And that's why this guy, Bevan Cooney, who's now behind bars, did come forward to Matt Tierman and Seamus Bruner and Peter Schweitzer and said, look, I kind of feel like the fall guy.
Here's access to my Gmail account.
I'm not using it.
Have at it.
Go for it.
tim pool
Wow.
jack posobiec
And and that's I've literally sat there just, you know, and that we typed it in.
We're in a hotel room in Chicago and we type it in.
And there's this is not the laptop or the hard drive or any of that stuff.
Rudy is not involved.
It's just this guy's Gmail account.
And they said, why don't you leak it all?
I mean, there's like emails with his wife in there, like family stuff.
Like you can't just like drop all that.
I'd be irresponsible to do that, I think.
tim pool
That's the challenge, because then no matter what you do, people are going to say, what are you leaving out?
And so, I mean, what do you leave in?
It's like if a guy's talking to his wife about some, you know, bed stuff, it's not necessarily relevant.
So then journalists have to go through it.
The only problem, I guess, is how many journalists do we have left in North America?
jack posobiec
I actually can confirm that copies of the hard drive were distributed to some mainstream media journalists last week.
tim pool
And are they going to do anything with it?
jack posobiec
We'll see.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack posobiec
They know who they are and I'm not going to call them out.
I don't think, I know at least one of them hasn't said anything publicly yet.
So I'm not going to, you know, I'm not going to call people out like that and I'm not going to spill that tea, but do the right thing, man.
Just do the right thing.
tim pool
You guys see the, you know, Glenn Greenwald resigned from The Intercept.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
You guys saw this.
This is crazy.
But he put out this tweet that made me laugh.
I'm not going to name the guys, but he was like something like, how long until there's a group of like, how long until we have journalists trying to get... Substack.
Substack to ban people.
And then he named two journalists who literally just do like NBC News.
jack posobiec
Those aren't journalists.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
They're not.
They're activists.
unidentified
True.
tim pool
And one of these guys, I bring him up.
Because he tweeted, you don't understand, we can't get the laptop to even report it if we wanted to!
And then you tweeted at him like, I think you tweeted at him.
jack posobiec
I did, yeah.
tim pool
Here's the laptop!
jack posobiec
I've been offering this to Jake Tapper, to anyone who would want to come in, Mark Cuban, Kind of responded, but then he said, well, no, I don't want a copy of the laptop.
I want the actual one that was given to the FBI.
lauren chen
The double standard is so blatant.
jack posobiec
How am I supposed to?
lauren chen
Do you folks remember when there was this, this tweet slash that led to an article?
I don't remember which news station exactly was, but it was, there was rumors that a tape exists of Trump.
jack posobiec
The elevator line.
There may be a tweet.
Or maybe a tape.
People are talking about the tape.
No one has seen the tape.
unidentified
I'm not sure if there's actually a tape.
It could be a tape.
I don't know.
Maybe Trump.
Maybe he's in an elevator.
Maybe he's doing some stuff.
You know, kind of just doing his thing.
lauren chen
Let me see if I can find it because I tweeted it recently.
jack posobiec
It's not all about the elevator, but you know, it's important.
It's important context to know.
lauren chen
But the standard for which journalists are willing to, I don't know, fact check when it comes to a Trump story versus a Biden story are completely different.
jack posobiec
This is what Tim just said about Biden.
tim pool
I got it.
unidentified
Okay, he found it.
Alright, here we go.
tim pool
A tape might exist of Trump doing something in an elevator, though exactly where that somewhere is and what that something might be, no one in media can say.
That's because no one in media seems to have seen the tape or is even confident it exists.
unidentified
Oh my god!
What?!
My brain!
What?! !
lauren chen
And what outlet was it?
tim pool
Huffington Post!
unidentified
There's very serious journalism going on at Huffington Post.
It's so serious.
We have parties sometimes.
tim pool
I have breaking news guys.
There may be a photograph of Jack somewhere at some time doing something and it's really bad.
But I can't say that definitively because I don't know if it exists.
unidentified
It's possibly bad.
It might just be like kind of off-color, but you know, it's potentially devastating.
jack posobiec
How did they write this?
You can say whatever you want about Donald Trump on social media.
You can literally come up with the most outlandish and... She did.
unidentified
That just happened today.
jack posobiec
It was like the Yale professor.
And she said, well, you know, I'm not even going to say it because they're going to, you know, Media Matters will clip that part.
unidentified
Yeah, the Sam Harris and Sullivan.
tim pool
Now, he's like, it's out of context.
Just for people who don't understand the context of what we're saying, there have been a couple of people.
Sam Harris basically said that he thought Osama bin Laden, and this is his opinion, I gotta be very careful about- This is Sam's opinion.
Sam's opinion.
lydia smith
Sam Harris's opinion.
tim pool
Is that that man was better than Trump in a lot of ways.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
And there was also this professor who said the same thing about Hitler.
And it's like, you people have gone insane.
lauren chen
No, Sam Harris also said that about Hitler and Trump.
He was saying that what makes Trump worse than Hitler is actually things like courage and standing for something greater than yourself.
jack posobiec
That was the best part because it was the first clip of that that came out was just the Osama bin Laden comment.
And then Sam goes, well, you're taking it out of context.
And he said, what did he say after?
Well, now you're saying Hitler.
The context makes it worse, Sam.
The context makes it far, far worse.
tim pool
And then he tweeted, I think social media is designed to make things out of context or whatever.
And everyone's like, come on, dude, you've got Trump deranged.
jack posobiec
If you get to that point where you're And can we stop comparing things to Hitler?
Like, there was a Hitler and he did terrible things.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
What about Stalin?
jack posobiec
Stalin?
He did terrible things, right?
And Mao?
Terrible things.
Pol Pot?
Terrible things.
Trump is worse than Mao!
And so, like, why are we comparing any contemporary?
You can't compare.
They're all separate.
They all have their own, you know, their different levels of moral decay and horribleness.
Yes, that have gone on.
And, you know, you can't come.
I said this yesterday.
If Trump really was a fascist, you wouldn't be able to vote him out.
You wouldn't be allowed to.
lydia smith
People don't understand.
unidentified
Right.
But turptitude.
tim pool
That's the word I was thinking of.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
lydia smith
Turptitude.
tim pool
Moral turptitude.
jack posobiec
That's a good word.
lauren chen
What I used to think and even it's kind of similar to there was this person.
I think she was a writer or is a writer for the Boston Globe who compared the Trump trucks to Isis
Yeah, I don't I don't see a difference her I used to think that it was because they thought Trump was that bad
Maybe it's just that they don't actually realize how awful Isis is right? Maybe it's just like it's not that they
think Trump is Genocidal or an actual fascist maybe is that they think Isis
is bad because they also implemented tax cuts and Islamic caliphate out of the Paris Accord human
unidentified
Like, maybe they just don't understand how bad those other people are.
tim pool
But, you know, it's kind of funny, but I think you're right when you see how they do, like, the Islam LGBT stuff.
Like, I had a friend who had a flyer for, it was like, a woman wearing a hijab, and it said, like, you know, activist-y stuff, and it was like rainbow flag.
And I was just like, I think the amount of people, and I'm not trying to be mean to anybody, but I think the amount of people who are adherents to this religion who would agree with that sign is probably very, very small.
lauren chen
Right.
tim pool
Very, very, very small.
Especially considering the planet, and I think we have like 1.2 billion Muslim practitioners on the planet.
jack posobiec
Right.
tim pool
I would say the overwhelming majority are going to look at that and say, how dare you?
I mean, because we saw this in the UK when they had... They would call it Islamophobic, actually.
Well, this was really interesting in, uh, I forgot, I forgot what the, uh, town was.
It was in the UK.
They were doing LGBT curriculum for kids and it was Muslims who showed up protesting.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Yeah.
And that was like a really confusing thing where like the LGBT people were like, I defend you.
And it's like, I don't think you realize like these religions, very, very different from what you're proposing.
And so I think you're right.
I think these people don't really know what ISIS wants or does or what their, what their, you know, faith tells them to do or their perversion of it.
And so, they see a row of trucks with Trump flags, they see a row of trucks with ISIS flags, and they're like, it's the same picture!
jack posobiec
Yeah, I mean, you you've gotten this set of people who have such a blind spot when it comes to Trump and Trump supporters that they've reduced themselves to word thinking, picture thinking.
There's no there's no depth anymore.
There's no critical thought.
There's no understanding of, you know, a line of trucks in when it comes to ISIS.
And, you know, when I was in the intel community, when ISIS was growing and I saw things that they were doing over there and it's like, You really don't want to compare anything to ISIS.
The only thing I could think of possibly to compare ISIS to would be the Zetas cartel in northern Mexico, which is known as one of the absolute most brutal cartels that's on the face of the planet.
lauren chen
But it is a purely emotional response for so many of these people, and with the whole Sam Harris thing, I remember asking in that thread, what exactly is the context then?
Because I'm sure you've all been taken out of context more times than you can count, and obviously a single sentence in maybe an hour conversation isn't necessarily representative of what you mean.
And I had so many Sam Harris supporters who had listened to the podcast saying, well,
unidentified
Right.
lauren chen
you know, at least those guys had a sense of good or duty to something.
Whereas Trump only cares for himself.
Therefore, he's worth it.
It's like you're all you're doing is projecting intention onto him.
Right. You don't know.
tim pool
Right. You can't read his mind.
lauren chen
You can't read it.
tim pool
But it's there's there's two other things.
It's not just out of context. Right.
So a lot of people are familiar with that.
If I say something like, can you believe Jack told me he prefers, you know, jelly
donuts? What a crazy guy or Jack said to me, I like jelly donuts.
Then they take the I like part and attribute it to me, even though I was quoting.
Right. That's out of context.
There's also there's also relevant like news cycle context.
They did this to me where I said I was asked specifically about I can't remember
which which. Oh, yeah.
There was a news story. And.
And I think it was about kim.com or something, I can't remember.
And someone asked me on a stream, who do you trust more, referring to the story, the New York Times or, you know, like Dave Rubin or something.
And I said something about trusting Dave Rubin more than I would the New York Times, but I was referring to one specific story.
So it's like you asked me, you know, does Dave Rubin enjoy, you know, eating out for dinner?
I would say, well, I would trust Dave over the New York Times.
Then they took the cut, the clip, where they ignore the context around what was going on.
So that's, you know, general context.
The other thing they do is, uh, I kind of lost my train of thought on this one.
Cause I started talking about other things.
jack posobiec
Well, funny enough is I've actually been talking to people about, um, about who they're going to vote for in the election.
And I've been having, and I don't even know how it started, but people have just been sending me these anonymous conversion stories.
And a good 90% of them are, and I'll just I'll just tell you one because it's the one that really kicked it off.
They said, look, I've been home a lot during COVID, during the lockdowns.
I'm considered non-essential.
So I've been watching TV a lot more.
I saw this thing where the media was saying, CNN was saying that Trump said that people should drink bleach.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
And, you know, it's a recent one.
I think it was June, July time frame.
And she said, well, I thought, wow, that's crazy.
I want to watch that.
I want to watch that clip so I can laugh at it or something.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
So she pulls up the clip and then goes to the actual press conference where he's talking about that and said, well, wait a minute.
That's not what he said at all.
He was clearly talking about the specific treatments.
And then this is the amazing part.
Then the light bulb went off for her and she said, maybe it's for all of us.
lydia smith
Yeah.
jack posobiec
Have they been lying about other things as well?
And now she's like a full-bore, walk-away Trump supporter in four months.
tim pool
I remember what I was going to say.
And now I'm losing it again.
There's a lot of instances where you'll say something the left doesn't know about.
And then they'll take a clip of you saying it, post it all over, and all these leftists will be like, I can't believe you said something so crazy, because they didn't know that thing was true.
jack posobiec
I can give you an example of that.
This guy Miles Taylor, who's this new Never Trump-er.
Anonymous.
He was anonymous, yeah.
And he was this junior guy.
He said, Donald Trump actually suggested that we put illegal migrants in Guantanamo Bay.
How crazy is it that he said that?
Well, if you actually understood anything about the context of why Guantanamo Bay was built and the actual like tent city that was there, the original tent city at Guantanamo Bay was built during the Clinton administration because there was an influx of migrants from Haiti and Cuba that were coming to the United States.
And they said, we need a place to process them in the region.
in, Hillary Gonzales, of course, was a huge, huge factor at that
time. And they said, we need a place to process them in the region. Hey, why don't we use this this Navy base that we
have at Guantanamo, and then one and then because some of the
migrants that came in, it was later discovered they had criminal backgrounds, or they had problems with them.
So they had to build a more secure facility because they didn't want these guys just going around the rest of the tent city.
And that's where Camp X-Ray comes from.
And so Trump saying, oh, I want to put migrants at, you know, Guantanamo.
Oh, it sounds terrible.
It sounds horrible.
If you don't know the actual historical context of Guantanamo Bay.
tim pool
Yeah, I've had people say, because I got really angry and I said something like, if Joe Biden wins, they're gonna be coming to your house, they're gonna change definitions, all these things.
And then all these people, all these leftists start sharing it, not realizing I was specifically referring to things that had already happened.
And I'm like, I wasn't predicting the future.
I was saying, this is what is happening.
They're going to people's homes.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
tim pool
The point I was making was that Trump is stopping these or at least trying to.
So it happens all the time.
Like the, uh, the coyote thing.
Remember that?
unidentified
Yes.
I love that.
tim pool
That was one of the best moments on Twitter ever.
These people deserve awards.
lauren chen
And what was so frustrating about that is all of the people who are saying coyotes, what's he talking about?
Animals bring over.
You can just bet your bottom dollar that these are also people who consider themselves hardcore immigration activists.
Which is so maddening because it clearly demonstrates that they've done absolutely zero research into this actual topic.
jack posobiec
I'm so well-read.
I read the New York Times cover to cover every day.
tim pool
This is what's scary about... It's interesting.
I believe everybody should have the right to vote.
Everybody, if they decide to vote, should vote.
But I think it was Mike Rowe who said this, that just because you have the right to do it doesn't mean you should.
You have a right to own guns doesn't mean you should.
lydia smith
Not everyone should.
tim pool
Not everybody should.
So the left strategy is get as many people as possible to vote and what they end up doing is they end up getting low information voters who vote for things against their own interests while accusing the right of voting against their own interests when at least for now it seems the right has more high information voters or higher information voters.
So the challenge would be The Democrat, or I should say the worrying thing is, you know, how do you, how do you, how do you solve for an issue like that?
I saw a video from a friend where they were like, look, I'm going to go mail in my ballot because Donald Trump is colluding with Bill Barr to, you know, like to disrupt democracy.
And I'm like, what are you talking about?
Like, what Bill Barr are you talking about?
I can talk about all the Obamagate stuff.
I can tell you everything that Bill Barr won't do for Trump, and Trump's complaining about it.
But you saw something on CNN, so you went out and voted, and now you're voting against your own interests.
Because if you're worried about democracy being destroyed, it's the Democrats doing it.
The Republicans are playing by the rules.
They might be cutthroat, but packing the courts, changing the election rules, that's cheating.
It's all cheating.
So if we're going to lose democracy, it's coming from them.
But I guess the point I'm making is, what do you do in a society where you have the manipulation of low-information people to vote?
unidentified
Service-guaranteed citizenship.
lauren chen
No, but it is concerning, and I have so many Libertarian friends who are very, I guess, like, laissez-faire.
And this actually also applies to people on the left as well when it comes to things like voting and democracy.
Just like, yeah, we'll do whatever.
And I don't think people understand that, you know, what the will of the majority is is not necessarily something that's good.
What really boggles my mind is that so many leftists now talk about how the electoral college is undemocratic as if it's like this flaw that the founding fathers didn't know about.
It's like, no, this is explicitly by design.
They did not want mob rule.
And I find it very strange in the past four years.
And I think this is because Hillary Clinton won the popular vote, how there's this focus in the left with talking specifically about democracy.
They're not talking about liberty.
They're talking very explicitly, specifically about democracy.
And I think it is because they're trying to change the paradigm and the purpose of government to not just be to protect and safeguard rights and individual liberties, but to, you know, carte blanche, whatever it may be, represent the will of the people for better or worse.
jack posobiec
I'll go one further, in a sense, but not so much on voting rights, but actually something that, like, nobody talks about it in these terms.
I don't know why.
And it's, we mentioned it earlier, but the idea that, so going back to the Founding Fathers of the United States, they gave us an election day.
It was a day.
You hold the election, there's a certain period of hours, the election ends.
It is one day.
It is not this.
And, you know, coming from the state of Pennsylvania, we've never had early voting the way we have it now.
The way they're adding in all these new rules and all these changes.
Look, I get that we're in a pandemic, everything else, but they gave us an election day for a reason because they and you can go in and find the debates about this where they were saying that You know, the more you open the aperture, the more problems you run into, the more issues you run into, the more questions about, you know, like we've had elections during pandemics before in this country.
We had a revolution during a pandemic, actually.
We've gone through, you know, the Spanish flu.
We still had an election during those timeframes.
It's this idea that you can keep widening the aperture for, you know, as they said before, all ballots have to be counted, all ballots, but then you're changing the definition of what that means.
You're changing the value of what that means because you're sending them to all people rather than people who have decided on their own, as you just said, that maybe some people don't Or don't intend to vote, right?
Are they still getting a ballot?
Why are they getting a ballot?
What are they doing with that ballot, right?
And you can go through the permutations.
tim pool
I know people who don't want to vote who have said, I'm not voting.
jack posobiec
Did they get a ballot?
Yes, of course.
See?
So what is that?
What happens to that ballot?
And then what if X amount of those people... And you can play that out in any number of ways.
tim pool
We already saw that story.
I can't remember which state it was.
I think it may have been New Jersey where someone stole mail-in ballots from someone's mailbox.
lauren chen
Yep.
tim pool
So if you're, if you didn't request it and you're not looking for it, what happens when someone steals it?
Now this guy was just stealing mail, right?
jack posobiec
Let's say, and total scenario, blah, blah, blah, hypothetical, all the disclaimers, you know, but let's say you see a house, let's do it this way.
Let's say you're, you know, which one the Biden house is, you know, which one the Trump house is, and you know that a bunch of mail-in ballots are going there.
And then you see the flag up on that mailbox.
lauren chen
You take them from the Trump house.
jack posobiec
And I mean, like, how, how do we know that's not going on?
lauren chen
But see, the thing, and to play devil's advocate for a little bit, the people on the left will say there's no evidence of this happening.
You know, there's maybe only been a handful of times, but I think the fact that this is even a possibility is in and of itself a flaw in the system.
Because a flaw in the system isn't just if it's actively being exploited, it's just the fact that it could be so easily exploited.
tim pool
And maybe this will be the first time.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Why would we open the door?
lauren chen
Shouldn't you at least guard against that?
lydia smith
Exactly.
tim pool
Unlock your door and keep it open.
There's no evidence of widespread crime in our neighborhood.
jack posobiec
There's no evidence the earth revolves around the sun.
There's no evidence of that.
Shut up, Copernicus.
lydia smith
Burn you at the stake.
jack posobiec
Burn Copernicus before he gets the telescope out of here.
Throw it in the river.
tim pool
Before he tells everyone what's really happening.
So, riots.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
What do you think is going to happen?
lauren chen
Liam, who's also my fiancé and produces our show, we are kind of at odds right now because I want to go and I want to get some juicy footage.
No, no, no.
See, that's exactly what he said, at least from a distance.
There's definitely going to be protests.
And I think I'm okay to go and film protests.
I think there absolutely will be riots though.
And it's funny because I've seen so many people on social media saying that, oh, you Trump supporters aren't going to take the loss.
Well, as if any of these store owners are boarding up their, their stores or, you know, their homes or anything like that against Trump supporters.
tim pool
But not only that, are they going to vote for the Democrats?
Could you imagine being like, well, this guy raised money to bail out the rioters and I'm boarding up my store.
Better go vote for him.
unidentified
I think there are people who are doing That's insane. There are there absolutely are I just I just
tim pool
went out bought a bunch of guns now I'm gonna vote for the guys gonna take them away. That
lauren chen
makes sense. No, but have you guys seen the piece from the Atlantic?
Kind of arguing that the best way to stick it to antifa is by voting for Biden
tim pool
Was it Yasha Monk?
lauren chen
Yeah, I think so.
And I mean, that's kind of essentially what people like Sam Harris.
And I love her, but Helen Pluckrose.
tim pool
No, they're wrong.
They're wrong.
The people in New York, the people in New York who were attacking vehicles on the highway and who pepper sprayed children were not Antifa and far leftists.
They were regular progressives who are just violent lunatics who pepper sprayed children.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
That's why I was gonna say it was Jewish children, too Yeah, I know you you shouldn't go out and cover. I would
say look look look suddenly I'm the reason why I stopped going out and this is years
ago is because they Track who these journalists are so you even that's what I
lauren chen
was thinking because now people are wearing masks outside Yeah, I know and it's crazy that I even need to think about
it But the last time I was like on the ground was in Hamilton,
Canada Where there was that Antifa thing yelling at the elderly
couple, you know I saw people getting tackled and stuff that day.
Before that, Tommy Robinson, Liam almost had to fight someone who didn't want him filming, and it's just...
I don't know.
I'm kind of jaded against it.
jack posobiec
I know that sounds really bad, but it's like if you want to be... Even if you go masked at this point, they'll come after you for filming, regardless of who you are, even if you're masked.
tim pool
And it's going to be, I think, the worst we've seen in a long time.
jack posobiec
They did it to Ford Fisher the other day, and he had to like, my camera's at your feet, my camera's at your feet, you know, and they surrounded him.
tim pool
It doesn't matter.
lauren chen
Elijah got punched in the face.
lydia smith
Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
Yeah, Elijah Schaefer.
Yeah, they don't care anymore.
lauren chen
I think... But don't you think there are going to be regular... Do you think there are going to be regular people who are also just kind of protesting a la Women's March?
Or do you think it's just going to be full-on rioting?
tim pool
Do you know what happened to... Do you know Luke Krakowski?
lauren chen
Yeah.
tim pool
We Are Change.
Do you know what happened?
So you didn't hear the story about what happened to him at the G20.
He was... So in Hamburg, I was in Hamburg.
Luke was there.
Luke was walking down the street with a German journalist.
There was a photograph of Luke walking with this guy, Mark, and Lauren Southern was in the background.
From that photo, they started tracking down anybody who was seen in it.
Someone saw Luke and started yelling, I think it's Nazi Schweinhund.
I think that's what they were yelling.
And random people who were sitting down got up and ran up and started punching him in the face and punching him all over.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
They weren't Antifa, they were just regular people sitting there and they heard someone yell Nazi, so they got up and went, ooh!
And they started punching, just beating him, knocking him down.
They got bloodied up and then the EMTs came in and, you know.
unidentified
Crazy.
tim pool
So yeah, it's going to be regular people.
But if one person walks up and screams, it's a Nazi, it's a Nazi, regular people are going to go full mob mentality.
jack posobiec
I mean, see, I've never even, like, I don't have that in me, right?
If someone runs up and screams Nazi, screams communist, you know, and I'm just sitting eating a meal, right?
lauren chen
Like, you're not going to drop everything.
jack posobiec
I'm not.
Yeah.
I'm gonna say, oh, that's interesting, I guess.
And then I'm just going to go back to my meal because it, you know, what is it?
lauren chen
That's because you're a normal person.
unidentified
Oh, right.
jack posobiec
Especially, you know, if I'm with my wife or my kid or something like, like, can you go do that over there maybe?
tim pool
Well, if, but like, so if people go to a protest, And like, let's say there's some regular person, they're a
barista for a living, and they have the day off and their friend's like,
Oh, there's gonna be a big protest and they go, Oh, I'll come.
Then someone yells, It's a Nazi!
And then that person goes, BOOOM!
And just runs up and starts swinging and screaming.
Like, these people totally lose their minds.
jack posobiec
A mob...
I mean, and this is a question about mob mentality, but a mob is only as smart as the stupidest person in it.
Yep, which is not.
And the minute that person starts screaming something, and this is something, it's biological.
We're wired this way, right?
You know, monkey see, monkey do.
It's real, right?
It's very developmental.
And that, you know, we are social creatures.
And when you get into one of those situations, it's very hard to fight that internal programming.
And it's very easy to just go along with it.
This is what my people are doing.
This is what my tribe is doing.
This is an outsider.
This is a parasite.
This is a virus.
This is a threat.
We need to stop the threat.
We need to get away.
And then that's where you see some of those impulses come from.
lauren chen
Well, I guess the question for both of you would be then how do you stop this?
Because I think I think there is a certain kind of primal biological instinct within us when someone says, you know, fire or attack or whatever, we want to participate.
But I think it's also true that 20 years ago, this kind of thing wasn't happening.
So clearly there's been some kind of escalation.
So, you know, even if Trump does win, how do we how do we make it not acceptable to punch people in the face because we disagree with them?
Like, is it more accountability?
jack posobiec
Someone should write a song about this.
lydia smith
Yeah, well they sure should, yeah.
tim pool
Well, the issue is that you've got... I don't know what the factions are in the culture war or whatever, but I'll tell you this.
There's a bunch of different dividing lines.
It's not just one side versus the other side.
There's like overlaps and it's probably more like some kind of circle.
But as long as, for the most part, the left has the media saying, it's good to punch people you don't like.
They're gonna keep doing it.
There's no comeuppance.
There's no penalty.
There's no punishment.
So they'll do it.
What are they gonna worry about?
Jack, if you defended yourself, they'd make you the bad guy.
jack posobiec
Yeah, so when people talk about that, you know, I had some people at the right, so I got a, you know, sort of similar situation happened to me.
I go to cover an event, they said they're gonna tear down a statue.
tim pool
It's a good photo, though.
jack posobiec
Yeah, it's a great photo.
You know, they said they're gonna tear down a statue of Abraham Lincoln down the street from our studio in DC.
So I said, well, you know, I wanted to go see that and just film it, right?
And so it was a really interesting situation because I've told this story a million times, but there ended up actually being people who were descendants of some of the freedmen, the freed slaves who had donated to erect that statue of Abraham Lincoln, which actually predates the Lincoln Memorial.
So this actually was the original Lincoln Monument.
In Washington, D.C., Frederick Douglass dedicated, like literally, Frederick Douglass dedicated this statue, right?
And so you could tell that even though the protesters were like an SJW lefty kind of crowd, that they were kind of not really on board with taking it down.
They were like, it just didn't work.
That's cognitive dissonance, right?
They could tell that, wait, why are we taking down a statue of Abraham Lincoln?
Like, this doesn't seem right.
And you can see that cognitive dissonance.
And so I get identified by a certain member of Antifa, who I'm not going to name due to litigation, but we know who he is.
And then the same situation goes out.
I just stood my ground.
I literally just stood my ground.
And people on the right have said, well, Jack, why didn't you defend yourself?
Because they tried to push me down these stairs, which are concrete, and there's like a concrete floor at the bottom where they're trying to kind of like knock me down onto them.
They said, why don't you swing?
Why don't you take a flight back?
Why don't you defend yourself?
I said, well, number one, I've got a kid, you know, he's going to watch that video someday and I don't want him to see his father using violence to solve something that doesn't require violence.
I mean, I just didn't think it warranted it at that point.
Nothing they did really, really warranted it, even though they were pushing and shoving and punching me.
Um, but, but also that I knew that media takes out of context that, that Jake Tapper and Oliver Darcy and media matters and all those guys are going to clip it just like somebody did in, uh, Los Angeles, I think it was Beverly Hills recently, where they clip this thing where a guy gets swarm attacked by these black clad anarchists, and then they take away, he's carrying an American flag and Armenian flag, and they take it from him, and then he gets it back, they pummel him on the ground, then finally they pull themselves off, and then he goes and runs after and hits one guy.
So Antifa clips the video where he just runs up and hits the one guy, and then they accuse me Because I shared the full video and then they accused me of sharing a, they called it a strategical edit video.
And I said, wait a minute.
No, no, no, no.
My video includes that part where he does run up and strike one of the other ones.
I didn't cut that out.
That's why my video was longer than your video.
That's how that works.
You strategically edit it, but you're missing the context of they were beating this guy within an inch of his life.
unidentified
Well, I mean, it's similar to the whole Kyle Rittenhouse thing.
jack posobiec
Two million dollar bail.
They just said it.
tim pool
Two million.
jack posobiec
Two million.
Buckarinos.
unidentified
Wow.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
tim pool
I was reading an article.
jack posobiec
And he was extradited.
I think today, actually.
tim pool
It's really interesting.
Vice wrote an article asking if we are in a civil war.
Sort of concluding we are.
Saying experts have said that we are in a civil war.
And they say things like their justification for why it is is that killers like Kyle Rittenhouse are lauded by their political allies.
And it's really funny when I read that because I was like...
Um, Kyle Rittenhouse is lauded because he fled first.
He tried fleeing, which he was supposed to do.
And then only when someone fired a gun, did he turn around and defend
himself from an attack and then immediately tried to get the police.
He was lauded for doing everything correctly.
Whereas Michael Reinold stalked and assassinated a Trump supporter.
lauren chen
Yep.
tim pool
And that, and that guy is lauded by the far left.
jack posobiec
Um, actually by vice.
lauren chen
That's why, like, anytime someone gets mad at you for doing, like, a controversial interview, I mean, people like Vice literally interview killers, right, who have killed people.
I don't care how- Unchallenged.
unidentified
Exactly.
tim pool
Just like tell me what happened.
Thank you and have a good day.
lauren chen
Exactly.
tim pool
You can at least ask me.
jack posobiec
But that's but that but that gets into what we're talking about too because our
entire moral framework has been flipped in this country where where words and
ideas have become the greatest moral crimes.
And then something like murder is considered well all you do is murder
But he was a Trump supporter.
It's like that interview of Jeffrey Dahmer, that Jeffrey Dahmer gave, where he kept trying to tell the person, look, I just want you to know I'm not racist.
It's like, literally, Jeffrey Dahmer.
But even Jeffrey Dahmer, think about that.
Really think about that.
In his moral framework, he really wanted to make sure that people didn't know he was racist, even though he had killed all those people.
lauren chen
Yeah, but he killed people of all colors.
jack posobiec
But it wasn't racially motivated.
It wasn't racially motivated.
Just want to keep that clear, everybody.
tim pool
And that's good then, I guess, according to Vice, right?
The worst moral crime was avoided, so everything's okay.
jack posobiec
So this gets you into all of these various, like the Sam Harris thing, and all these other ideas.
lauren chen
It's kind of similar to when it looked like Kim Jong-un might be dead, and so so many people were saying like, oh look, North Korea, a female leader.
How progressive!
unidentified
Really, I feel like, you know, there's a lot more toward North Korea this year.
tim pool
The gulags need to be overseen by a woman.
lydia smith
That'll change things.
tim pool
Yes.
Do you guys see Kamala Harris endorse communism?
unidentified
So hold on.
tim pool
She didn't literally say, Comrade, we must, you know, start communism.
jack posobiec
Straight up like I mean, I don't know you like if she actually, you know signed off on that video being
unidentified
or That's where she is. Yeah
tim pool
So so hold on she didn't literally say comrade we must insist, you know start communism
She said we must give people resources so that we all end up in the same place. See ya
And it was like a video explaining how she said, granting people equal resources for competition is not the way.
We need to give them this equal opportunities so that they, it results in, you know, we all end up in the same place, equal outcomes.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
It's like, if you give two people rope, that was like the gist of the analogy.
And one person is unable to climb.
jack posobiec
Because they were starting from a lower platform.
But it was the same length of rope to climb up this mountain.
tim pool
So they always use this argument to justify communism.
You can give to people rope.
There will never be identical circumstances.
It's impossible.
So they try and create a circumstance in the video where one person's lower than the other.
And it's like, well, welcome to the world.
There's literally nothing you can do.
jack posobiec
Can I, can I admit, like even from personal, from just personally, like, uh, so we were just down in, in, in your basement earlier and where you're setting up a skate park and it's like, I might be physically taller than you, but you're a way better skater than me.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
So you're going to get to that six foot ramp.
unidentified
So, so there's a, I am like, that's, it just is what it is.
tim pool
Well, for context, there's a six foot tall half pipe in my basement.
And very tall ceilings.
And on top of one side is a lounge chair, a coffee table, a refrigerator full of drinks, and a TV.
And it's called the VIP lounge.
The only way to get, if you want to be in the VIP lounge, you need only get into the VIP lounge.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
Some people are not going to be able to get up that six foot ramp because they don't have the skills or they're not, like, yeah, it's basically just about skill for the most part and strength.
Can you do it?
And I already had people jokingly call me ableist.
And I was like, that's actually not true because there are some really amazing wheelchair... Yeah, I feel like I've seen that.
Yeah, they would easily get up there and then laughing.
You can get some ripped guy who can't climb a vert wall unable to get up there.
And then you're gonna have some dude in a wheelchair up there being like, you need the skills to pay the bills, man.
jack posobiec
Oh, so you are allowed to climb.
tim pool
As long as you can get up.
I don't care how you get up there.
You don't gotta go up the wall.
jack posobiec
There's two other ways.
tim pool
Just pull yourself up.
But then people were like, what about someone in a wheelchair?
I'm like, I've seen people in wheelchairs go up some pretty, like, way bigger vert walls.
Like, it's just about having the skills to do it.
So anyway, that kind of flies in the face of the idea of, you know, equal outcomes.
lydia smith
Kamala's communism.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
Because there are different, that's a great, that's even, we're actually going further than this because it's, there are other ways to get up the mountain.
tim pool
Absolutely.
lauren chen
But what's also frustrating about the left is not only are they saying, oh, well, if everyone starts from the same place, they must end up at the same outcome, which we know is not true.
But the way that they determine whether people are starting from the same place isn't just by looking from where they're starting from.
They kind of do the inverse.
They look at where they're finishing.
And if they're not finishing at the same place, then they assume they must not have started at the same place.
And that is, that I think is one of the biggest problems.
Because I, as much as possible, want to remove barriers.
To success for everybody.
Black people, white people, whatever it is.
I think there should be, you should have the chance to succeed.
The way that the left currently determines whether you have that chance or not is whether you have actually accomplished whatever it may be.
And if you haven't, they assume it's oppression.
jack posobiec
And that gets to the idea of who decides the value distinction of what is that place everybody wants to get to.
Is it a certain salary or is it a family size or is it...
Travel or like there's so many different we have we have live in this like amazing world.
We really do There's so much to do There's so much you can you can have and those are the types of opportunities that I'd like to open the up the idea of choice But there's no there's no upper limit like so I would you yeah, I often we talk about all the time You know various points Rockefeller would be in awe of the comfort we live in if he was transported right now.
tim pool
The richest man, the oil baron, the people running the East India Trading Company.
If they came here, they'd be like, the water is clean and you don't get parasites and you can take a shower whenever you want.
Just turn a knob and then boom, there's hot water.
jack posobiec
I always bring this up in time travel discussions.
Oh, I wish I lived in this period.
No, you really don't.
tim pool
You really don't wish you lived in this Like three months at sea, 20% of the people on the ship would die.
And you're like, we'll make it there or something.
And then you, you make it to North America and it's like, we're here.
And you're like, there's literally nothing on the shore.
I know start building.
lauren chen
Well, that's what my mom is.
One of those women who loves period romances where everyone's like wearing a bonnet.
I, I cannot, when I'm watching those get in a romantic mood, because I'm just thinking everyone must have smelled bad.
You can't take a bath.
You can't brush your teeth.
I mean, you probably have at least a little bit of scurvy.
It's just, it wasn't, it's not a romantic time.
jack posobiec
You know, there's actually, there's actually this whole, um, and we're just totally off on a tangent right now, but, um, but, but Tim's allowing us, I'm totally doing this.
tim pool
I'm a Chris Walsh moderator, not a Kristen Welker moderator.
jack posobiec
Mr. President.
Um, um, that in, in the middle ages that, You ever notice when you're reading anything from medieval times that they always talk about drinking mead like all the time?
Yeah, they didn't have water.
Right, because they didn't have water, clean water.
So they knew that was clean because it was purified.
And so that people just were like a little bit more buzzed all the time, which explains a lot about the Middle Ages.
And then it's right before the Renaissance, coffee is introduced to Europe.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Makes sense.
jack posobiec
So there's like this whole idea of, is it, you know, you know, your, your alcohol versus your caffeine.
lydia smith
That makes sense.
A lot of sense.
tim pool
What were we talking about?
lydia smith
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
Communism.
unidentified
Oh, right.
lauren chen
But also what I, we were talking about how it wouldn't be good to live in the past and how even Rockefeller would be in awe about all the comforts we have now.
I feel like that kind of attitude is why now, have you noticed the left, they, they love talking about wealth inequality now.
They no longer focus just solely on the issue of poverty or standard of living.
They talk specifically about wealth inequality.
tim pool
And I think that's so good because everything's great, man.
Like you got poor people with clean running water, showers, refrigerators, and air conditioning.
lauren chen
Yeah.
Thank goodness.
tim pool
And we have poor people who are homeless, for sure.
And we have people who struggle to pay their rent and get evicted, and there's a lot of problems in this country.
I think we can find a way to fix it, for sure.
But the standard of living has become so incredible.
The question I think you were bringing up is, where would they be satisfied with everyone being?
What's that marker where it's like, okay, here's where everyone should be?
And they'll tell you it's like clean healthcare and clothes, and they give you, they want everyone to have a general middle class standard of living, which is like living like a king for the rest of the world.
The idea that you could have an apartment, you know, with a one bedroom apartment, clean running water, refrigerator, two weeks vacation, clothes, insurance, your healthcare stuff's covered, you're making probably 80 to 100K a year, that's where you'd probably be depending on where you are in the US.
You are in like the .01% of the world.
Right. The average American making like 30 to 40k is the 1% of the world. So what they're basically
saying, this is a fantastic thing, I was in Brazil during these protests in 2013 and I went to the
favelas which are the shanty towns, the poorest of the poor live there, they just build randomly
on top of each other and this lady, we were at her house asking her about the protest, what was
going on, she had some kids who were involved and we asked her, you know, we were just talking to
her and she asked me in Portuguese and they translated, why are the rich people protesting
in America? And And I laughed, and I was like, no, who?
And she mentioned the protest, and the guy was like, oh, she's talking about Occupy Wall Street stuff.
And I went, no, no, no, no.
Occupy Wall Street is, like, young people and, you know, middle-class kind of people and, like, left-leaning people angry with the banks and, like, the corruption in government.
And then they translate it to her and then she goes... She responds, everyone in America is rich.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And I laughed and I was like, I'm in her favela where the toilet had a pile of human waste going up from, like, a week because it didn't rain so they couldn't flush.
And, yeah.
She was wondering why it is that Americans... She wasn't saying... I think it was a translation thing.
She wasn't saying all these rich people with monocles and hats were going on.
unidentified
Oh!
Haram Faisal!
tim pool
I demand change!
She was saying that Americans are protesting, but they're so rich.
jack posobiec
Why?
Have you read Michael Schellenberger's new book?
No.
Because he actually talks about that in Brazil a lot and spending a lot of time down there, but from more of a climate standpoint.
But he said that when he went to Brazil, and they were talking about chopping down parts of the rainforest, that he found out very quickly that it wasn't this mass operation, that it was mostly just poor farmers looking for more land that they could eke out and clearing it out.
You know, really, the best thing that we can do is raise their help raise living standards, introduce technologies, actually create more of an industry around this, so that instead of people having to do it all on their own, that it can be more efficient land use down there.
And that will definitely help a lot more than just placing these arbitrary restrictions on everybody.
tim pool
You know, I'm going to be a little biased.
I think it may be that the left in this country doesn't actually want to help anybody.
They want to use these things as a carrot dangling from a stick.
Vote for me.
That's all it says.
Vote for me and you'll get what you want.
Vote for me and we'll make your life better.
They don't actually want to make their lives better because then what are they going to put on the end of the stick?
No more carrot.
lauren chen
And I think I think there are a lot of young like social Democrats or even just flat out socialists out there who believe that capitalism is so evil and so oppressive because they're, I mean, frankly, ignorant of what the rest of the world looks like, right?
They see they're usually from upper middle class backgrounds and they see a homeless person and they think this is terrible, which it is, but they blame capitalism for it.
They still don't understand that, you know, the the amount of opportunity and even relative comfort that someone in America, even a poor person has compared to the rest of the world is still like very great.
And that's not to say that capitalism is perfect.
It's just merely the best system that we have.
jack posobiec
If there were a way to do it, you know, it's cost effective.
I've always said like every every high school student should be required to spend two weeks in Mexico before they before they graduate.
lauren chen
Well, a lot of.
tim pool
Well, not everyone's going to call you racist.
lauren chen
A lot of religious schools do have like service trips and things like that where you drive in the woods.
jack posobiec
Or how about Appalachia?
You know, if you want to go say something else, you know, you don't even have to leave the country.
Just it's any place that has like serious poverty that's nearby and to understand that, you know,
most of these people at these protests are not experiencing the extreme.
I mean, these kids in, you know, like Moorfield, West Virginia, where, you know, you're getting
your, you're, you don't have toothpaste and you're brushing your teeth
with like Mountain Dew and stuff.
Like these stories that you hear and it's like, why, you know, and we just, we laugh at them. We make fun of
them. Hollywood makes fun of them.
The only time they make movies about them at some kind of horror movie.
tim pool
I got to tell my favorite story and everybody who's listening is going to be like, I've heard
Tim say it's a million times, but my favorite example of, you know,
Trump strategy is when he had that well done steak with ketchup.
unidentified
Remember that?
Yeah.
tim pool
Because poor people have well-done steaks with ketchup because they can't afford good meat.
And the media started laughing.
What an idiot!
Trump's so dumb!
Well done with ketchup.
And that was basically Trump got the media to insult the American people.
Poor people.
lauren chen
They did something similar when Trump had those, what are they, college kids over and they were having McDonald's or
burgers or something.
We got all these media snobs saying, oh look McDonald's.
Meanwhile, Americans love McDonald's.
jack posobiec
Trump really...
Trump really does love fast food, though.
I don't think that's a strategy on his part.
Since he went through COVID and everything, they've actually been trying to keep him on a healthier diet.
Salads and everything else.
But I think I tweeted out this morning that I heard that since today's It is.
It's the last day of the campaign.
He had a huge breakfast of like just bacon and eggs, coffee.
tim pool
Last meal.
Last presidential meal.
jack posobiec
You know, and that he just wanted that energy to go out.
But he said that the one, I forget what day it was, a couple of weeks ago, but he had two dinners.
Like he had a dinner before the rally and a dinner after.
tim pool
Wow, this is great.
lydia smith
I would do.
tim pool
This dude is spry.
unidentified
He is.
lauren chen
He has more energy than I do.
I'm not even being hyperbolic.
unidentified
I could not do the number of rallies he does per day.
tim pool
Who could?
Five rallies per day and he talks for, what, an hour or two hours at a time?
jack posobiec
So I can walk through it.
So he woke up in Washington, D.C.
yesterday morning, flies to Detroit, does his first rally in Detroit at 11 a.m.
tim pool
How long did he speak?
jack posobiec
An hour and a half.
He's only supposed to speak an hour.
He spoke an hour and a half.
In snow flurries and like icy wind that he was making fun of like the whole speech.
He continues four more rallies throughout the day.
Ends in Miami, Florida.
You know, 80 degrees.
lydia smith
40 degrees to 80 degrees.
tim pool
You see that tweet from that guy who was like, it must be warmer in Florida because he's not wearing a jacket?
unidentified
It must be warmer in Florida because he's not wearing a jacket.
jack posobiec
I like these powers of God.
unidentified
Is that Hercule Poirot there from Agatha Christie?
jack posobiec
Are you about to solve the death on the Nile?
tim pool
So it goes to Miami, then where does it go?
jack posobiec
So overnight, I believe overnight's in either Doral or Mar-a-Lago.
Then he kind of does the same path backwards.
He's doing that right now, today.
Where he started in Florida, he's gonna end up, then makes it to Scranton, Pennsylvania.
Then he's gonna end tonight in Michigan with a rally that's probably gonna start around midnight.
And then he's going back to D.C.
after that.
So it was Michigan to Florida, then Florida to Michigan, and then back.
tim pool
How many in one day?
jack posobiec
Five each day.
tim pool
Five each day for an hour and a half each rally?
jack posobiec
Hour to hour and a half, yeah.
lydia smith
That's what Tim does.
tim pool
I do about three hours and 45 minutes of speaking recorded content every day.
And it is brutal.
It is very difficult.
And most people who do commentary, like the biggest names, do about three hours.
So I'm doing at the high end or more than most.
jack posobiec
You do a lot.
You do a lot.
tim pool
How does Trump do more than me?
I'm sitting here, you can't see because whenever she changes the camera, I yawn.
unidentified
Regeneron.
tim pool
Regeneron.
Do you see the Lincoln Project?
jack posobiec
I love that.
lydia smith
It's so good.
tim pool
Regeneron.
jack posobiec
Well, did you see the latest one they did with the kid in the bed?
Tanya's here.
She hasn't seen it yet, but they go to the kid and they said, Trump, who won the election?
Trump, I thought you could only be elected twice.
unidentified
Not anymore.
jack posobiec
I could literally, it's literally Carpe Dankum all the time.
lauren chen
But it doesn't even make sense because even in like the Lincoln Projects ad, they're acknowledging that people would still vote for Trump.
unidentified
Right, exactly.
jack posobiec
Right, so the nugget of truth is that Trump keeps winning elections.
tim pool
Trump won.
So it's like, what reality do you live in where this is democracy you wanted?
unidentified
It was a Trump commercial.
jack posobiec
Right.
Keep in mind that, you know, if we want to go towards more of a pure democracy standpoint, That if you just want to allow people to keep voting, then it's arbitrary to say that the American people can only vote for someone for president twice.
The founding fathers didn't include that amendment.
lauren chen
For these people who want to overturn things like, I mean, the Gravel Institute blatantly saying constitution is trash, right?
They hate the Electoral College.
The idea that you have two term limits, like you said, that's much newer.
jack posobiec
So not that I'm arguing for it, I'm not seriously arguing either, but I'm just saying by their standard, right?
And this actually was the Federalist.
They said that, yeah, there's term limits.
It's called elections, right?
That the people should have the right to choose.
And that was just the idea.
lauren chen
I do find it interesting that the executive, like the administrative branch, got turn limits before Congress.
tim pool
I'm not surprised about that.
lydia smith
Not surprising.
tim pool
I think it's hilarious how I see all these posts where they're saying, can you believe that we have a president elected by the minority?
This is ridiculous.
And I'm like, it's quite literally the point of the constitution in electoral college.
It's literally why we're not a direct democracy and why we're a republic.
To protect the minority from the majority.
jack posobiec
I was talking to Tonya about this on the way here today in the car.
And I was saying, well, yeah, the reason that we were just talking about the election and I was like running through the numbers and everything else really drilling down on Pennsylvania.
You know, I think if I think if Trump gets about three million tomorrow in Pennsylvania, he wins the election.
I think that's that's the number it needs to hit.
Um, but, um, and then she was saying, well, wait a minute, didn't Hillary win the popular election last time?
I said, well, yeah, she did actually.
She won, but that was, that was because she won so many people in California and New York, but that's not actually the way we count.
We have, you have kind of have to win.
What's this, you know, not a majority of states, but majority of states in the electoral college.
Didn't Hillary have advisors to like tell her?
That's how it works.
unidentified
She didn't go to Wisconsin, right?
tim pool
She didn't go to Wisconsin.
jack posobiec
I just started laughing.
I said, look, you know, about 2,000 years ago, there was this Chinese general who wrote a book
called The Art of War.
Somebody wrote a business book years later called The Art of the Deal.
And in between, But in The Art of the War, Sun Tzu says, when your enemy is making a mistake, do not interrupt them.
tim pool
And that led to Donald Trump.
The question I have, though, in terms of the election is, people were so convinced that Trump was going to lose.
Supposedly, they say, many Hillary supporters didn't actually turn out.
So if Trump has a new wave of supporters, you know, cause I didn't vote in 2016.
I voted for Trump already.
Is that going to be enough to get all of the normies who are being, you know, hit up by Lady Gaga, Taylor Swift.
Is that going to be enough for Trump to win?
Because first it's, it's not just that it's also everybody hated Hillary Clinton.
lauren chen
True.
tim pool
Really hated her.
The pollsters were even saying it like, man, people hate her, but they're voting for her anyway.
Joe Biden is sad.
He's not hateable.
Yeah.
I mean, he's hateable in a lot of ways, but sad.
jack posobiec
Oh, the Karens are for Joe.
The Karens are totally, totally for Joe.
lauren chen
Literally, there was this piece out where they, I forget what outlet it was, but one of them examined a whole list of Biden supporters and the most common name for a Biden supporter?
tim pool
Karen.
lydia smith
Karen.
lauren chen
Yeah, literally Karen.
jack posobiec
Not even joking.
But the other one was funny because it was the most Trump-supporting name was Richard.
tim pool
Richard.
So a male Karen is a Richard.
lydia smith
Right.
unidentified
There you go.
jack posobiec
No, no, no, but the Richards were for Trump.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
unidentified
Oh, I see.
lauren chen
So the Chad Richard versus the Virgin Mary.
jack posobiec
Right, right, exactly.
I was like, that actually kind of, yeah.
tim pool
So this is the question.
As you know, Johnny Rotten, he voted for Hillary.
Now he's voting for Trump.
lydia smith
Wonderful dude.
tim pool
You've got people like me.
I happen to have some personal friends I know who I was surprised to hear were voting for Trump and already did.
So, I know secret Trump voters exist.
lydia smith
They do.
jack posobiec
Because I know some of them.
Gary Johnson did very well in a lot of states.
tim pool
That's true.
jack posobiec
And I think that there does exist a certain level of libertarian slash independent, or NPA, if you've seen that phrase around no party affiliation.
That they thought that there was a competence question when it came to Trump.
We're seeing that in the data now that that there are people who thought that they couldn't vote for him because they saw him as a bragger.
They saw him as a talk show host, you know, someone who is good and but just couldn't just couldn't see him as president, that a lot of those people who were nominally conservative Ended up voting for Johnson or not voting or you know voting for some of the Constitution Party and and a lot of those are coming on board with Trump now because look he's done four years and he has some serious accomplishments to his name for that and clearly the country hasn't you know blown up or I mean I suppose we can you know we can argue that but you know the country's still here and still functioning.
lauren chen
Well Ben Shapiro did a whole whole segment explaining why he he's voting for Trump this time even though Ben Shapiro is a good example of that.
But I mean, to counter that, people on the left will say, oh, but Anna Navarro and Charlie Sykes and Rick Wilson, they hate Trump and they're Republican, therefore the Republican Party is turning against them.
jack posobiec
Those are sort of people, and like Anna Navarro, nobody can really find any Republican she's actually worked for, even though she claims to be Republican.
Yeah, they sort of fit this.
They fit this sort of media need.
I mean, if they didn't have, you know, CNN, who would their constituency be?
Right.
tim pool
You know, you know, you know what I said?
jack posobiec
Republican Party is Trump's party.
That's the only point right now.
Like him or not, the Republican Party is definitely the party of Trump at this point.
tim pool
The first couple of years with Trump, in terms of foreign policy, I think were kind of bad.
He had Bolton.
That was a mistake.
Bolton turned on him.
Serious mistake.
lydia smith
He should have known better.
tim pool
But in the last couple of years, it's been pretty good.
We've got four historic peace agreements.
We've got withdrawal from the Middle East.
And I think these peace agreements are absolutely amazing.
Not to mention, we had a great economy.
So I was talking to a friend who said, my concern over social issues, like, first of all, they hate Trump.
And they're like, he's going to destroy things pertaining to social issues in this country.
And my response was kind of like, well, you know what?
I'm done arguing.
I don't think you deserve anything when we've been involved in these foreign entanglements and how Trump is going to bring about peace in the Middle East and bring our troops back.
We've been there for two decades.
We shouldn't have been there.
And now if it means that you have to have some issues in terms of social issues in this country for yourself, I think you should accept that because how many civilians died overseas?
And how many more civilians are going to die in these wars that Trump is ending?
Shouldn't we just have to say, you know, don't you want to put someone else first?
Isn't that the whole thing?
Like, you're not America first, right?
Like, my point is, you can't have Obama escalating Middle Eastern tensions and North African tensions, resulting in a slave trade in Libya, and now that Obama's over, you take no responsibility for what you supported.
So I'll tell you this.
Donald Trump is running for re-election.
Kosovo and Serbia.
Sudanese-Israeli war ended.
And then you've got Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates.
That's amazing.
He's drawing our troops down in the Middle East.
I think we owe it to parts of that region and the world to do the right thing considering the two decades we've done of the wrong thing.
And if that means in the U.S.
there's going to be some bad things in terms of social issues, at least for you, well then that's too bad.
I think we're going to have a great economy, though, and I don't agree with them in that capacity, but I don't think they have a right to support Obama and all the bad things Obama did and now complain that their lives are going to be worse.
jack posobiec
You know, my best friend has now been to Afghanistan four times, and he's volunteered, but it's, you know, it's one of those things where I keep having to think, like, why does my best friend have to keep going to this place?
Am I going to get a call from him later in the week?
For what?
Really, for what?
And I've asked him again and again, what are you doing over there?
And he said, we're delaying the inevitable.
Alexander the Great figured this out 2,000 years ago.
What did he do?
He tried to conquer Afghanistan.
Didn't work out very well.
Couldn't get the tribes to align in any meaningful way.
So we've ended up just You know, marrying the princess of the largest tribe.
lauren chen
Well, maybe we could try that.
jack posobiec
Yeah, I know, this is literally what I'm saying.
tim pool
Can we get Trump to remarry one of the princesses?
jack posobiec
Baron.
Baron single.
Baron single.
And, you know, hey man.
You know, world peace, brother.
You gotta step up for world peace.
And so, you know, and then Alexander just kind of named her dad the leader and he went off to India.
You can't solve the problems of other countries, nor should we.
This is not how you run a serious, stable country.
lauren chen
What I think was really interesting is that one of the few times the mainstream media and even like the left in general has, establishment left, has shown support for Trump was when he launched those missiles.
tim pool
Yeah.
lauren chen
Was it Fareed Zakaria or someone on CNN saying like this is like his first presidential moment?
jack posobiec
This was the day Trump became president.
tim pool
Is Trump becoming presidential?
jack posobiec
By launching, you know, by launching missiles into, you know, a barely occupied runway in Syria.
tim pool
And then they pulled up their list and they were like, wait, Farid, stop.
He didn't get any kids.
jack posobiec
But did he denounce white supremacism as he fired the missiles?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
You know, I think Trump has disavowed white supremacy more than all other presidents combined.
And I mean it, I really do.
Because first of all, we had a lot of presidents who literally would not.
We've had racist slave owner presidents, that's for sure.
And then we've had a lot of presidents who just passively were like,
we're going to make some changes.
No, Trump has to say it literally every other week.
The media is like, will you now finally?
And he's like, I said it like eight times.
jack posobiec
There's actually a very strong video that his campaign just put out,
which I do give them credit for, where it specifically has him denouncing it 38 times.
But, and there's a counter like in the corner.
And there's something about it because, and even the fact that I've just said it,
to you now that you haven't even seen the video, maybe you have, but that,
you know, that there exists a video of him saying it 38 times.
And because 38 is not like a normal number, it's sticky, right?
You're going to remember, Oh, you're going to remember that.
Oh, there's this video denouncing it 38 times.
And now that shifts the frame.
So instead of him saying, Oh, he's denounced it again and again, I can, I can point to 38 I think it's like nine minutes long, because I think Crowder did something where he went and showed people.
tim pool
Yeah, Steven Crowder was like- Oh, they must have kind of, yeah.
He asked, he was like, you know, what about Trump don't you like?
And then all these people say the very fine people stuff, and he asks them.
lauren chen
But then they say, well, didn't he seem a little bit hesitant to denounce it those 38 times?
Don't you think he even had to say it?
Doesn't just that- Why wouldn't he just say it?
Yeah.
tim pool
How many times has Joe Biden denounced white supremacy?
unidentified
Zero.
tim pool
Zero.
What's going on, Joe?
What's up with that?
I mean, Trump's done it 38 times, but Joe not even once.
And remember, Joe Biden eulogized an exalted Cyclops of the Klin.
lydia smith
Sure did.
tim pool
I know that the AP fact checked that.
jack posobiec
Don't say Grand Wizard.
tim pool
Don't say Grand Wizard.
jack posobiec
Definitely not Grand Wizard.
tim pool
It was like, did Joe Biden eulogize a former Grand Wizard?
False.
Actually exalted Cyclops.
jack posobiec
If you're in a member of an organization and your leader is called the exalted cyclops, at some point, do you ever start thinking, gee, is this the place for me?
Do they have other cyclopses that are not lesser exalted?
tim pool
Disrespected?
Disreputed?
lauren chen
I love as soon as Joe Biden became the candidate, then all of the stuff Kamala Harris was saying during the primary debates, that he'd be cozy with segregationists.
So we just forget about that.
That doesn't count anymore.
tim pool
And then, uh, what I love about Kamala Harris is she's the Dr. Hibbert of politics.
So you know, like... The laughing, yeah, the laughing.
So in The Simpsons, Dr. Hibbert, one of his character bits is that he laughs inappropriately.
Just, like, randomly.
Just, like, for no reason.
I don't know if you guys saw this one, which one was it where she's being interviewed and she's asked a very normal serious question and starts laughing and the interviewer's not having it and she just sits there with a big ol' smile on her face like the Joker.
Why is she always laughing?
jack posobiec
Yeah, it's like it's like you sit down with a campaign consultant and they say, well, they they give you the advice to if this comes up, just laugh it off.
So if if somebody brings up your statements to Joe about Joe Biden during the debates where you call him racist, you talked about the right, keep it light.
If you talk about the busing, you know, with segregationism.
The crime 94 crime bill just laugh it off.
Keep it light, but they don't like come on They don't literally mean just laugh Straight they mean like laugh it off as a phrase.
lauren chen
It's not meant to be taken literally I've watched older clips of Kamal Harris before this kind of round of campaigning began and she didn't she didn't do this Yeah, she didn't use to do this.
I think this is a new tip they gave her to try to make her seem more likable or something.
But it's just backfiring in the worst way.
tim pool
Wear skinny jeans, sneakers, and dance while laughing all the time.
jack posobiec
Who's your favorite rapper alive?
unidentified
Oh my gosh, yes.
lydia smith
Favorite rapper alive is Tupac Shakur.
Her music.
I love Hello Kids.
She fails so bad.
tim pool
And she's like, how old is Kamala Harris?
She's in her 40s or 50s?
unidentified
I think 50s.
jack posobiec
I think 50s, yeah.
tim pool
It's funny that like she's supposed to be the young candidate, but she's as like demented as Joe.
Just in a different way.
She's like, she's still old.
Tupac, did you say something where she was like listening to some rap in college that didn't even come out?
jack posobiec
Snoop Dogg, yeah.
tim pool
Snoop Dogg, right.
jack posobiec
But she was in college in the 80s and that came out in the 90s and it just didn't work.
tim pool
Did you see this Lady Gaga thing?
unidentified
Oh my gosh, it hurts so much.
lauren chen
She was trying.
jack posobiec
I have a totally different take on that than I think everybody else does because a lot of people, are you playing the yoga thing?
lydia smith
Yeah, I think so.
jack posobiec
Oh yeah, go ahead.
lydia smith
Which one?
Which one was it?
jack posobiec
The one, like the Halloween one, right?
lydia smith
Uh, which one?
jack posobiec
Okay, so... She's in like a costume.
lydia smith
Yeah, so I was talking about, I was looking at the Lady Gaga thing, where she's standing beside her truck.
jack posobiec
Yeah, yeah, that's it.
Yeah, that's like a Halloween costume.
lydia smith
Yeah, oh my gosh, so painful.
tim pool
Was she trying to insult conservatives?
unidentified
That's what some people say.
jack posobiec
So, okay, if you watch it with a sound off, it might sound like she is, but...
I'm actually not sure because I've watched it a couple times and I'm not sure if she's trying to come across like she's insulting conservatives or is she just trying to act hard and it's doing a really, really bad job of it.
lauren chen
Like she was trying to pander cuz she's right trying to appeal to like she mentions a bunch of like swing
jack posobiec
I'm like show how hard she is and that she's going back to New Jersey
But she can stop she can act right like she's been in movies before sure
tim pool
But that was like she was reading a script and she purposefully flubbed it yeah, I'm gonna vote for Joe it's
jack posobiec
It's so weird.
tim pool
That's why I'm like, are you trying to insult conservatives?
lauren chen
People have pointed out that when the video starts, there's a little puddle already by the truck.
tim pool
Oh, she had done it several times.
jack posobiec
It was in the first take.
lauren chen
Yeah, it looks like it was in the first take, but that was the take they chose to post.
tim pool
I could do a more convincing vote for Joe Biden PSA.
lydia smith
Easily.
In two seconds.
jack posobiec
And that's, that's with, I mean, when like crushing the beer and like throwing it down.
unidentified
No one does that to a person.
Who does that?
jack posobiec
Who does that with a full beer?
I'm sober and I know that nobody does that, right?
That's not a thing.
lauren chen
That's not a thing that anyone has ever done.
jack posobiec
That's actually a party foul.
lydia smith
Yeah, it really is.
tim pool
The main takeaway is vote for Joe Biden and spill beer.
That's not a party foul.
jack posobiec
Vote for Joe Biden, he'll take away your beer.
tim pool
I don't want to be a member of the party that spills beer.
lydia smith
I don't either.
tim pool
No, we can't do it.
lydia smith
That's a good point.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But look, what the Lady Gaga was doing, it feels like, you know, even Taylor Swift coming out for Joe Biden.
jack posobiec
And Amy Schumer.
Don't forget Amy Schumer.
Oh, big endorsement.
tim pool
Who was it who said?
jack posobiec
Big endorsement, folks.
Amy Schumer.
tim pool
Someone said that Joe Biden was punk rock.
Who was it?
lydia smith
Oh, I gotta look it up.
Let's see if I can pull that up.
tim pool
I'm not kidding.
lydia smith
Give me one sec.
I think it was Seth Rogen or something.
jack posobiec
The least punk rock guy ever.
lauren chen
These people claim to be the resistance.
They're supported by all these major corporations, pretty much every institution, right?
Academia, The media and yet they still call themselves like the resistance.
jack posobiec
If they're selling your shirt at Hot Topic, you're not the resistance.
lydia smith
Exactly.
lauren chen
Yeah.
jack posobiec
You're just not.
tim pool
When there's a giant Coca-Cola ad for you.
Sorry.
There's like this, uh, this comic of a punk looking woman.
And she's like, if you don't support Black Lives Matter, you're not really punk rock.
And I'm just like, if you don't back my ideological movement that is supported by every major multinational corporation and the established political class, then you are not punk rock.
lydia smith
So, you know what I was interested by?
I like Fall Out Boy.
Don't judge me.
Nobody gets to judge Lydia.
I like Fall Out Boy.
Everyone online.
I like Fall Out Boy.
I think they're really talented.
They made a post on Twitter about voting for Joe Biden.
First off, they stole the Van Halen logo.
They said they used the logo itself, like blatant plagiarism of the Van Halen logo, right after Eddie Van Halen died.
Horrible taste.
They said, we have to vote for Joe Biden because lives depend on it.
And they turned off their comments and pinned it to the top of their Twitter profile.
And I was like, you guys, you guys.
That's not very rock and roll of you, first of all, to say, go with the establishment.
And second of all, to turn off comments is, ah, mind blowing.
Like you won't even engage with people about this.
Like you're just telling them what to do.
lauren chen
It's also corporate and manufactured.
lydia smith
Exactly.
jack posobiec
So I went to the, I went to the Juggalo March a couple of years ago in DC.
And they actually did perform a little bit at the Lincoln Memorial.
So I don't know if that counts as going to an ICP concert or not.
Um, probably not, but kind of.
And, and it was great because, so Antifa showed up because they were trying to recruit like from the Juggalos and were trying to like march with them at one point.
And, you know, for a while, like nobody kind of said anything and there were a ton of people there, but then eventually the Juggalos threw them out because they kept trying to like get people to chant anti-Trump things and all this.
And, and they were protesting for like Juggalo rights and there was a whole thing.
tim pool
Juggalo rights?
jack posobiec
Well, there was this whole issue, and I don't want to misrepresent their standpoint.
tim pool
They got labeled a gang or something?
jack posobiec
They got labeled a gang, yeah.
Oh, yeah, okay, okay.
They're not a gang.
They're definitely not a gang.
They're just dumb.
And so it was this idea that, you know, jugglers have rights too, and it was like kind of tongue-in-cheek, right?
That, like, it's an identity for us.
Their drink of our nation is Faygo.
lydia smith
Yeah.
jack posobiec
And and but I mean, they had a point, like they were being mislabeled and misrepresented.
And I can I can I can definitely sympathize with that.
And so I thought that was cool and I went to cover it and see what it was all about.
And and Antifa kept trying to make them political.
And then finally, the Juggalos kept saying they were like, well, you guys are against Trump.
Right.
And they're like, no, you don't understand.
We're against politicians like all politicians.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack posobiec
Like that.
That's punk rock.
lydia smith
Yeah.
Yeah.
jack posobiec
So when you say, like, oh, be punk, like, the jugglers are punk.
We're against politicians.
Like, we're not going to endorse anyone.
tim pool
You know, it's like everything.
It gets commodified.
It becomes corporate.
It gets absorbed into the established culture.
And now punk rock is just a genre of music for people who record albums and make money.
lydia smith
Punk's dead.
tim pool
Yeah.
You see that Bad Religion wrote a pro alt-right song?
unidentified
They did.
lydia smith
It was weird.
tim pool
Yeah, a while ago.
jack posobiec
It's called The Kids Are... I'm actually giving you that face because I didn't even know Bad Religion was around anymore.
lydia smith
They still are.
Yeah, it's true.
tim pool
So I guess they labeled it, for those who aren't familiar, Bad Religion is like a really famous punk rock band.
And it was called The Kids Are Alt-Right.
And the lyrics are very much pro-alt-right.
lydia smith
They're all, like, embracing.
tim pool
Like, one of the lines is, everybody needs somebody, so, you know, grab somebody and join the alt-right today, or something.
Like, the lyrics are very much, like, telling people, don't be lonely and come hang out with us.
Like, why would you say that?
Why wouldn't you say, like, you know, the alt-right is bad?
They didn't even say that.
jack posobiec
Were they saying it was supposed to be satirical, or...?
tim pool
Maybe it's supposed to be making fun of it.
But if look, if your idea of making fun of a group is that lonely people are seeking help and looking for something to fit into.
So you say, come join us because we'll accept you.
You're not really making fun of them at all.
And you're not really making a strong critique in any capacity.
unidentified
Right.
lauren chen
It's like it's kind of like that New York Times article where it's like they they apparently or they profiled an apparent former right-wing extremist.
But when you actually read the article, it's like, oh, yeah, you know, I got a conservative girlfriend and like was interested in church and stuff.
It's like, oh, OK.
lydia smith
Wait, what?
That's crazy.
jack posobiec
These people just need girlfriends.
tim pool
So let me read.
jack posobiec
Go to the gym, guys.
tim pool
Some of this song is like, OK, that's kind of against the alt-right.
lydia smith
Oh, can we share the lyrics?
I don't want to break any rules.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Well, yeah.
tim pool
I don't know.
All right.
It says, we love God.
We love our women.
We love tradition.
We love kin.
We got shiny new tools for ancient impulses that we can't even understand.
So if you feel alone and downtrodden as an elixir for your ills, join the alt-right post-light
and darkenment order and the rest of those bees can go to hell.
Alternative facts.
Alternative lives.
Lies.
Alternative names.
Alternative tries.
Tribes.
Everybody, you know, there's another link at the end, but the chorus, I guess, is everybody needs somebody.
Join the party.
The kids are alt-right today.
It's like, I guess you can arguably say it's somewhat against the alt-right.
lauren chen
I think for those people, like, tradition is bad.
unidentified
And all of those things that we might think are good.
tim pool
But that's not a criticism.
jack posobiec
I haven't seen the lyrics, but I'm like, so they're calling out tradition and religion.
lauren chen
But I think those are just so inherently bad to those people.
Maybe it is a criticism in and of itself.
tim pool
You know, that's a good point.
lydia smith
The lead singer does teach at Berkeley.
tim pool
I recently saw that movie, The Craft Legacy.
We talked about this on the show last week.
Oh, no.
jack posobiec
This is the new one, right?
tim pool
The new one, the new one.
There's a scene where the girl comes back from school where she got detention for hitting some guy.
And the stepfather is like, you know, I have a zero tolerance policy in this house.
And she goes, I was defending myself.
And he goes, do not speak when I'm speaking to you.
I am disappointed.
I have to deal with the family, blah, blah, blah.
I am disappointed.
And he walks away.
And that was it.
And I was like, was that tepid level of discipline of how I am disappointed in you and now I'm going to leave the room was like supposed to be shocking to these people.
They've never been disciplined in any capacity.
They've never had a parent figure say, shut up and go to your room.
Because this was like, that was supposed to be as horrifying moment for her.
Her stepdad was like, I'm disappointed in you.
That was it.
jack posobiec
So our son is two years old.
He's almost two and a half now.
And we're just getting to the point where because his level of cognitive ability and cognitive development is such that he can start to understand where he is, what he's doing, different people, we've started kind of ratcheting up the level of I want to say ratcheting up.
I mean, from like, from nothing, right?
When you're a baby, you can't discipline a baby.
Right.
And, you know, we are, you know, we are like no spank.
Definitely.
We've talked about that.
And but, you know, just just even introducing the concept of no.
Right.
Even introducing the concept of no.
And it's and it's tough.
unidentified
Right.
jack posobiec
It sucks as a dad.
Right.
You hate to do it, but you also realize that You can see the path that if you don't institute the idea of there are rules and there are rules that come, you know, you can't have, you know, yogurt for breakfast every morning.
You can't have like frozen yogurt.
You can't have, um, you know, it's, it's, it is bedtime.
Bedtime is a thing that happens and guess what?
It happens now.
Um, especially when mommy's eight months pregnant.
And so it's not easy, right?
It's definitely not easy and it's certainly not fun.
I want to just play with them all the time and watch cartoons and get to do the stuff.
I remember having fun with when I was a kid, but at the same time, I understand that as a father,
you have a responsibility to teach them that this is how the world works. And this is where it
starts. It starts with that first time that you hear the concept of no. And if parents aren't
introducing that, then what kind of generation are you?
I mean, that's maybe that's what we're seeing.
lydia smith
That is exactly what we're seeing.
lauren chen
Exactly.
And I think growing up in Asia, like the difference of like honor-shame cultures is really stark when we look at what's happening with so many of these young activists now, right?
I think these are people who have never been told no.
They're very entitled and they don't have that concept of wanting to do better for themselves and for their family, which is such a like a huge motivation for like me and a lot of A lot of Asian people, just culturally, it's sort of instilled in you.
And I think we've, as a culture, and, you know, boomers love to kind of harp on millennials, but this, all the problems, the cultural problems we have, this started with parenting, right?
So, you know, as much as they, the older generations might rag on millennials and Gen Z, I think they need to understand, like, well, it's not- Who raised them.
Exactly.
Who raised them.
It's not a mystery how these kids have gotten like this.
lydia smith
Seriously.
tim pool
Well, that being said, let's take some super chats before we do smash that like button.
And do you guys want to mention your social media real quick before we read some audience questions?
lydia smith
Yes.
Who should we start with?
lauren chen
You can follow me at the Lauren Chen on Twitter and Instagram and on YouTube.
Hopefully you can find me by searching Lauren Chen.
Depends on how YouTube's feeling that day.
tim pool
Yeah, we'll see what happens.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
Yeah, so you can follow me on Twitter.
It's usually number one.
I'm always kind of kind of living there, especially lately.
It's like drinking from a fire hose.
So it's at Jack Posobiec.
Just released a new documentary that you can check out at antifamovie.com.
tim pool
Right on.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And there's also, you've also given us something.
lydia smith
Yes, this is cool.
jack posobiec
You guys have a little, a little preview of something that's in the mail for other people.
This is a, First graphic novel written by Chuck Dixon.
So if you remember the character Bane from the Batman series, Chuck Dixon is the creator of Bane and Birds of Prey.
And so he's the writer of Agent Poso.
tim pool
Is he upset with the Birds of Prey movie?
jack posobiec
He wasn't necessarily involved with it, but I think he was just honestly happy that they were making a movie out of it.
I haven't had a chance to talk to him about whether or not he has a review of it or not.
I know he has a YouTube page up, so I haven't checked it out.
tim pool
Is that some kind of silencer or suppressor of some sort on your gun?
jack posobiec
You know, the gun guys, the art department put that on there, and I was like, what is that?
unidentified
It's cool, huh?
jack posobiec
I was like, do you understand how many veterans and Second Amendment people follow me in my audience?
tim pool
What is that thing?
jack posobiec
It's a future gun.
It's a future gun.
If you open front pages, it's set in 2040, so it's a future gun.
lydia smith
That actually is a future gun.
That kind of makes sense.
jack posobiec
So it's a future gun.
lauren chen
You've aged very well.
lydia smith
You have.
You look wonderful in this.
jack posobiec
For some reason, my son hasn't grown at all.
lauren chen
That's kind of weird.
tim pool
Time froze.
jack posobiec
But it's sort of like kind of taking a lot of the issues that we're talking about right now and fast forwarding them like 20 years and just seeing what happens.
That's really neat.
I can't wait to read this.
And you know, it all goes bad.
Just, you know, a scenario where Greta Thunberg is, like, in charge of the U.N.
She's aged.
Yeah, she's older, like an adult.
So she aged, but we didn't.
I don't know why.
lydia smith
That's amazing.
jack posobiec
Regeneron.
Regeneron.
tim pool
Alright, let's read some of these superchats.
I'm gonna go straight for this one because it's gonna be fun.
Grace Fang says, Yes.
I'm going to mobilize true and honest job of the pressure.
Job of the pressure.
lydia smith
Tim nailed it.
tim pool
There you go.
The other white nerd says Trump's won.
With a 5% swing on November 3rd, he flips Nevada but loses PA.
And ME2, Colorado's a dead heat.
Trump wins 29, 29, 291 to 233 or 300 to 224.
291 to 233 or 300 to 224 Biden wins popular vote by 1.1 less than Clinton's 2.1
lydia smith
Oh man.
tim pool
Awesome.
Kelman says I'm an ancap who hasn't voted in 12 years.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
I would crawl over broken glass to vote for Trump tomorrow.
Five 38 says I as a secret voter don't exist.
I'm considered a non voter by their standard.
I'll be there at 8 a.m.
lydia smith
Awesome.
jack posobiec
You will, you will see, can I mean interject, but you will definitely see
Trump supporters sleeping out tonight.
lydia smith
Oh, for sure.
unidentified
Wow.
jack posobiec
Yeah, you, I guarantee I've seen.
I've been across the country covering these rallies this whole year.
I literally saw 1,000 people in Wildwood, New Jersey, sleeping out.
Not 1,000 in line, 1,000 sleeping out overnight for Trump at that rally.
I guarantee you there will be Probably in a lot of these swing states.
lydia smith
Super blue, man.
jack posobiec
New Jersey!
Right, New Jersey.
lauren chen
I mean, lately they've been having rallies in, like, Beverly Hills for Trump.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
jack posobiec
They're having rallies where, just think about that, they're having rallies where Trump isn't even there.
lydia smith
Yeah.
jack posobiec
And nobody from the campaign is there and they're in the streets and they're in the rivers and they're in the lakes and you can't turn around.
tim pool
In New Jersey, where I lived, there's like this swampy marsh with no dock and no real way to get to it.
And someone planted a gigantic Trump flag right in the middle.
lydia smith
And this was a long time ago.
tim pool
This is Norcross's district.
Very, very blue.
It's like D plus eight.
And everyone I know out there said they were voting for, I think I saw one Biden sign.
jack posobiec
You know, Tim, if I had to say, I'd say that's pretty punk rock.
lydia smith
I would say so.
I mean, it kind of is.
Yeah, it really is.
tim pool
Breaking onto this weird marshy property with no dock to swim out in the muck and then plant this giant Trump flag.
You guys saw the Trump thing they did in Hollywood.
unidentified
The sign, yeah.
tim pool
They filmed that video, and I'm like, if you're going to jump the fence and go into the marsh and paddle out and then put up a flag, you should have filmed it too.
lydia smith
Yeah, seriously.
jack posobiec
Which actually, they took that sign down illegally because that was private property.
That sign was taken down illegally and there is some litigation that might be going into that.
tim pool
Interesting.
jack posobiec
Because that was completely illegal to take that down.
lydia smith
Glad to hear it.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Matt F says, bought some soap after Lauren's last appearance.
Smells pretty nice.
lydia smith
Awesome.
unidentified
Thank you, Matt.
tim pool
You sell soap.
unidentified
Oh, she does.
Yes.
lauren chen
My family has a bath and body products business.
You can find us at clearlypure.com, spelled C-L-E-A-R-Y-P-U-R.com.
And yeah, last time we were on The show I was telling like these guys we got so many orders like I was making bath bombs and stuff.
tim pool
And actually do work.
lauren chen
Yeah well actually my mom usually does all the like manufacturing but since they were in yeah they were over like in Phoenix getting my dad's surgery so like I've been playing like double duty of like soap business and like YouTube stuff.
tim pool
Is there a website for it?
lauren chen
The soap?
Yeah, clearly Pure.com, but Pure is spelled P-U-R.com because it's millennial and trendy.
tim pool
And now you're going to sell a lot more.
jack posobiec
Were you ever an Invader Zim person?
lauren chen
No.
tim pool
Big fan of Invader Zim.
Girl, why was there bacon in the soap?
unidentified
I made it myself!
I love it.
tim pool
Ah, Zim was great.
unidentified
Cute.
tim pool
Let's see, JP says, 35 years old, first time voting for the president, and I lied to pollsters in AZ because it's funny.
Trump 2020.
lydia smith
Okay, can I comment on this just real fast?
Scott Adams is talking about this.
jack posobiec
He is, yeah, I've heard this too.
lydia smith
He said, this is the funniest thing and I think Trump supporters are going to be on board with this.
I think they think it's a gigantic practical joke.
jack posobiec
He says it's going to be the biggest dad joke.
The biggest dad joke.
The biggest dad joke in history.
awesome is that every Trump supporter is lying to a pollster because they want to see the liberals
the lady meltdown again they want to take those fracking wells and convert them from natural gas
to liberal and have them overflowing throughout western pennsylvania and ohio it's it's like
tim pool
why did it make it so easy Seriously.
The leftist, the woman dropping to her knees and going, no!
It's like, what?
lydia smith
Grow up, dude!
lauren chen
Or at least do that at home.
lydia smith
You know what I'm going to do?
jack posobiec
Remember, performative ritualistic acts are very important in these types of cultures.
It's very important.
tim pool
Tomorrow if we see a blue landslide in every state every single state is blue and Joe Biden wins
I'm gonna put my feet up right here on the table next to me lean back
I'm gonna crack a beer and I'm gonna laugh. Yeah, have a good time. Just live like I'm not gonna get angry about I'm
back Well, look, that's the thing that happened. But even with
lauren chen
after ACB was confirmed. I I saw people on tik-tok and social
media like posting videos of themselves crying and And I think they see it as a sign of their virtue, how upset they are by stuff like this.
Whereas, like, I'm just thinking, why would you give the right ammunition?
lydia smith
Such weakness, yeah.
tim pool
They just want, they just, it's, yeah, it's performative.
jack posobiec
It's very performative.
It's ritualistic.
It's who can outdo, you know, the next person to them.
And so when you're online and plus you have the pervasive influence of the retweet and the share and the number of likes, number of views, etc.
So you get people performing these acts.
And whether it's subconscious or not, it doesn't really matter that you're you're going over the top to try to get more views.
And so the create, you know, and you can put those compilations together, the crazy liberal screaming in the car.
unidentified
Yeah, that's like a new genre.
tim pool
Screaming in the car.
jack posobiec
And each of them thinks that they're unique when they do it.
tim pool
Yeah.
lauren chen
And they all look the same.
They do!
There's this thing now where it's like, I don't mean to generalize, but for some of these young social media activists, I don't even know what their views are, but just looking at them I can tell.
Yeah, it's the glasses.
The glasses, the short hair.
lydia smith
They look like clones.
tim pool
Alright.
So Polity says, cool song, Tim.
Yes.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
For those that don't know, I finally released this song and music video.
unidentified
It's so cool.
jack posobiec
The song is dope, man.
tim pool
Which is up on, uh, oh yeah, well I'll show you after.
It's on, uh, youtube.com slash Timcast IRL.
It's in the video section.
It just went up and I also tweeted it out.
And it is very much about what's going on right now.
So if you're very much paying attention to the rioting, the election cycle and the anger and revolution, check it out.
It's called Will of the People and it's on, uh, this YouTube channel.
But, uh, yeah, you can, It's doing well.
lydia smith
Everyone loves it.
tim pool
Yeah, everyone thinks it's the best song ever.
lydia smith
Yes, correct.
tim pool
I don't know.
It's mostly about the story in the video.
That's why I made it.
So you should check it out because the story is about revolution and kind of what's going on in elections and stuff.
jack posobiec
And the aesthetics are great, by the way.
lydia smith
They really are.
jack posobiec
The team you had on there, you know.
Unless that was you just, you know.
unidentified
No, no.
tim pool
We did all of it ourselves.
Nishra did the arrangement.
So I wrote the song.
I wrote the story.
I performed it.
And then she did all the arrangement for all the instruments.
And then she also did extra instrumentation and stuff.
And then we got this animation studio that these guys were geniuses.
They did color work on it.
jack posobiec
It's so good.
I mean, it looks like something that like the gorillas would have done, you know, years ago, but it actually like has more meaning behind it, I think.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, I was writing about all the political conflict.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
And so I wanted to make a video that told the story.
So we did.
And we got more where that came from.
lydia smith
Everyone go watch it.
unidentified
With that being said, let's see.
tim pool
Friendly Neighborhood Sawyer says, Hi Tim and guests.
Got any money on the 2020 election?
I got 150 on Trump winning, 100 on Trump taking Michigan.
Honestly, a bit worried.
P.S.
Chen is a 10.
True, true.
lauren chen
Gambling stresses me out.
I remember even when I was a kid, I was too stressed out to play cheat on Neopets.
lydia smith
Oh, how funny.
lauren chen
Neopets?
unidentified
Yeah.
lauren chen
So there was like, there were like games of chance, which were actually like gambling.
And one of them was like cheat, where you could like bluff about the cards you had.
lydia smith
Cute little gambling for kids.
lauren chen
I was too nervous.
lydia smith
Couldn't do it, huh?
I couldn't do it.
lauren chen
I'm not a hard person.
lydia smith
What about you, Jack?
No, I don't gamble.
jack posobiec
Too Catholic to gamble.
lydia smith
Okay, that makes sense.
tim pool
The Dashing Rogue says, for Tim Pool and Lauren, do you think the Dems will stack the ballots in Trump's name to frame him?
Sort of give him 120% of the vote to make him look corrupt?
lauren chen
That would be like 5D chess.
tim pool
I don't think so.
lydia smith
I don't think so.
They're not that smart.
tim pool
No, because then Trump would just be like, I won.
What do you mean?
lauren chen
Yeah, I won.
I super won.
jack posobiec
I promised you breaking news earlier.
That's right.
Yeah, what's going on?
What's the breaking news?
So I'll give you breaking news.
This hasn't happened yet.
It will happen tomorrow morning.
The Republican lawyers are planning in the state of Pennsylvania, Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, to file an injunction, an urgency injunction in Commonwealth Court tomorrow for specifically talking about ballots and essentially the idea of broken ballots, right?
So when we know that there's been so many mail-in ballots, absentee ballots, etc.
that have been sent in, we've already talked about how some of them will start to be counted tomorrow in the state of Pennsylvania, that inevitably a portion of them will have some kind of flaw, right?
A signature will be wrong, or it won't be filled out properly, or an affidavit won't be signed, or maybe it showed up but the envelope was wrong, or so you can see the name, or whatever, any number of those things.
They will be filing an emergency injunction request request asking for a train a restraining order basically that those ballots not be counted on the day of and that they be segregated and then later dealt with this is something that.
You know, obviously will come up in any type of election litigation following the election tomorrow, because I think if Pennsylvania does end up being as close as people think it's going to be, that, you know, those numbers are going to matter.
There's a 40,000 vote margin last time.
40,000 votes could swing our entire election.
lydia smith
Oh man.
tim pool
Crazy.
lydia smith
That's exciting.
tim pool
Talbot Link says, perfect framing with Rogan in the shot with Jack.
Gave me a chuckle.
Looking forward to the tweetstorms tomorrow.
We did that on purpose.
I was like, let's try and make sure we can get Joe looking at Jack.
It's kind of funny.
lydia smith
He's eyeballing Jack.
tim pool
He's like looking at you like, you know.
That's from, as most of you know, we have George Alexopoulos, right?
lydia smith
Correct.
Yes.
tim pool
G prime 85 does all this really amazing art and I bought these from him because it is the perfect studio decoration like Joe Biden eating Okay, boomer girl.
It's wonderful.
jack posobiec
He does books too, right?
tim pool
We got a bunch of them I gotta show you the stuff we have downstairs because my favorite one is when Joe Biden kills 200 million people.
lydia smith
That's amazing.
jack posobiec
They're wild.
They're so wild.
lydia smith
I was staring at that the other day.
tim pool
Hey, this dude gets so many plugs on our show because I can't help.
I look at it, I just bust out laughing.
Like we have the one on the ground where Joe Biden eats the little girl and everyone's cheering.
No, no, this is important.
This is important.
The one on the ground behind Jack is a woman handing a little girl to Joe, who then opens his mouth like a giant monster and eats her.
But everyone behind him is cheering and giving thumbs up.
And the reason it's important is because when Biden said, True and Inanna Shabba to pressure, people were cheering.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
When he said, Batacath care, people started cheering and clapping.
It's like, What are you cheering for?
lydia smith
What are these words?
tim pool
Joe Biden could be like, you know, I'm gonna make up a random word right now and you'll cheer for it and they'll go, yay!
That's Biden supporters.
That's crazy.
jack posobiec
They kind of remind me of like, almost like Garbage Pail Kids.
You know that series when we were younger and just a lot of those sort of art crumb.
My dad was a huge art crumb fan that Yeah, they were creepy, but they're also sort of like a huge satirized version of life itself.
Like everyone, you know, you're born and then you get this crowd of people comes up and rushes you off to the school, and then another crowd rushes you off to work, and then another crowd rushes you off to marriage, and another crowd rushes you off to the nursing home, then you get rushed off to the graveyard and just dumped in, and then they go back to the hospital.
lydia smith
Sounds like fun, yeah.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
It is not a right.
I don't know.
No, it is, yeah.
I don't know.
It is, yeah.
saying they thought bad a cath care was bad health care.
Oh, but then why would Biden be saying we believe it's a right to have bad health care?
lydia smith
It is not a right.
tim pool
Is that what he said?
lydia smith
It's not.
tim pool
No, no, it is.
Yeah, I don't know.
But we had a lot of rich.
They solved it.
Aurelius says, ask Jack what ended up happening with Mark Cuban.
jack posobiec
I think you might.
I think I mentioned, yeah, that he wanted me to somehow provide the actual hard drive that was provided to the FBI, which is like, that's, you know, you're asking me to provide something that can't be done.
tim pool
Nate Adams says, everyone in your studio has been instrumental in bringing much needed information to the people during this ridiculous year.
You helped millions of people.
Thank you.
P.S.
If there is a red wave tomorrow, can we please refer to it as Corn Pop's Revenge?
unidentified
Yes!
lydia smith
Corn Pop's Revenge!
tim pool
Does anybody even know what Corn Pop looks like?
lydia smith
I want to find the man.
jack posobiec
You know, they actually found an obituary of him.
tim pool
Really?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
jack posobiec
Somebody was trying to fact check it.
unidentified
My little corn pop.
jack posobiec
Yeah, I'm so sorry, lady.
I should have been a little more sensitive about that.
But um, but yeah, so so I remember somebody was trying to fact check it, and they actually found that there was like, you know, and there was a guy who had been arrested.
And you know, years before in that part of Wilmington, and he said he ran with this this group of guys, and he's called corn pop, and they found his name, then they found an obituary.
And yeah, corn pop.
Yeah.
lydia smith
I'm sad.
tim pool
Well, you know, we get old and we pass.
jack posobiec
I mean, the part of that story that got me was like, so I got a chain and waited in the parking lot for him.
lydia smith
Whoa.
jack posobiec
Are you telling this story like on purpose, dude?
lydia smith
It seems incriminating.
jack posobiec
I mean, we went to a community pool when I was younger.
And yeah, I remember people kind of messing around on the, you know, the diving board or whatever it was.
But I don't think anyone needed to go at him with a chain, Joe.
lydia smith
Don't recall that, yeah.
tim pool
Joe Biden was a bad dude, huh?
lydia smith
Called him Esther.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Jose Juan Isaac Tavares says, if Kyle Rittenhouse is found guilty, I'm going to Kenosha and rioting.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
I would say don't do that.
lydia smith
Nope.
tim pool
Rioting doesn't work.
This is the most, like, look at Trump's polling approval and Black Lives Matter tanking in approval rating because of the riots.
jack posobiec
Why is Trump doing a rally in Kenosha right now?
tim pool
Exactly.
The rioting doesn't work.
jack posobiec
A city that he has no business being in that he would normally get slaughtered in where he's actually doing well.
unidentified
Yep.
Yeah.
tim pool
The riots.
So that's why I'm like, I kept saying that like in my videos, leftists don't do this support for black lives matter.
Net approval was 25%.
Now it's lower than it was the previous year.
Every gain, every supporter they gained, they lost.
And then some because of the riots.
jack posobiec
I'll tell you something else crazy about Kenosha, which you know, I can't say this because I haven't given permission to say it publicly or yet.
But let's just ask the question.
The Kenosha DA has filed charges on on Kyle Rittenhouse, and that case has already gone forward.
But the Jacob Blake shooting.
They haven't announced yet the results of that investigation, and the Jacob Lake shooting obviously happened before Kyle Rittenhouse.
So why is it, City of Kenosha and Kenosha DA, are you not announcing the results of that investigation?
Could it be that you're worried about something that came out in those results?
City of Kenosha and Kenosha DA, why won't you release them before an election?
lydia smith
Oh, what an interesting question.
tim pool
They'll release it after, before, you know, they'll wait until all the mail-in ballots are counted and all the ballots are counted and then they'll, you know, they'll let us know.
jack posobiec
But, you know, withholding information is totally fine for democracy.
Withholding information from the voters.
lydia smith
Yeah, it seems fine.
tim pool
Or destroying, you know, public record and smashing your phones with hammers.
jack posobiec
Totally fine for democracy.
lydia smith
Bleach bit, yep.
tim pool
Totally fine.
All right, Benjamin says, Hey Tim, I went to my first Trump rally.
Unfortunately, you're probably wrong about the actual amount of people who come to them.
It was far more.
In my small town, we maxed out the airport and had an additional 10,000 who stood outside and listened.
Hickory, North Carolina, shout out.
jack posobiec
I heard about that.
Yeah, I heard, I heard the Hickory, North Carolina, they were talking about, and I think Trump mentioned it at the rally, he said, they were telling me the airport was too small.
And I said, it's an airport.
lauren chen
My parents were my no, not my not both of my mom, like she wanted to go to one of the Trump rallies that was happening in Arizona.
But she couldn't go because of you know, my dad and everything.
But even she wanted to go to and she was historically an apolitical, Kind of hippy-dippy person, but she was like, no, I kind of want to go.
jack posobiec
I talked, I talked Tanya into going to the one in Lancaster.
She, she did not want to, I mean, she's eight months pregnant and she was like, I just want to stick around the house.
And I was like, come on, come on, man, just, just, just do one.
And so we, we all went and, uh, the whole family, even the kid, and we actually got our picture taken and, uh, it, we're right behind Trump and they ran it in like the Lancaster paper.
So I made sure I went out to my followers.
Who is in Lancaster?
Buy me as many papers as possible.
They're all in the mail.
lydia smith
That's so awesome.
tim pool
Jennifer Wood says, Gary Johnson's cousin here.
I've been told by people that they're voting for Trump this year.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
I wonder if that's Gary Johnson's actual cousin.
lydia smith
I wonder if it is.
tim pool
Steve Young says, I voted for Gary Johnson back in 2016 and I'll be voting for Trump out here in California.
lydia smith
Same, same, same.
tim pool
Yeah, there you go.
And Matt H says, just as Jack described, libertarian here that voted for Johnson in 2016.
I thought Trump wouldn't know what he was doing.
I'm voting Republican down ticket tomorrow.
Trump is the best president of my lifetime.
unidentified
Wow.
jack posobiec
Fact check true.
lydia smith
Indeed.
tim pool
Mr. Zenmancer says I'm a student at UW Seattle.
I got a text from the Student Association asking me to vote.
I asked them who my friends should vote for, and they told me to vote for Biden, and I asked about third party, and they told me not to waste my vote on them.
unidentified
Wow.
lydia smith
I know who I'm voting for.
jack posobiec
But it's all about democracy, right folks?
It's all about democracy.
tim pool
Let's see what we got here.
Bunch of superchats just popped in.
YouTube loves doing that.
lydia smith
Thank you, guys.
Thank you, guys.
tim pool
Gareth Green says, Pool, Sunbae, when's your album and concert tour?
Probably never.
lydia smith
Probably never.
tim pool
Probably going to be just working nonstop.
Videos!
Maybe once everything is finally done and we know who's officially won, then I'll take half days off or something.
But you know what I was thinking of doing is we can get a tour bus and we could actually do all of my shows in the bus.
lydia smith
That would be super fun.
We'll go pick up our guests.
unidentified
Yeah.
That'd be so much fun.
tim pool
We could just drive two different guests.
So I could do my morning show and my night show.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
In a van.
unidentified
That'd be so fun.
tim pool
And like an actual tour bus.
That'd be fun.
Tripp Ives says, Tim and all, can you please share what you know about the Great Reset as pushed by the World Economic Forum?
If not familiar, can you please research and report later?
unidentified
Thanks.
tim pool
Thanks. Have you guys heard about this segment?
lauren chen
Yeah. I mean, I looked it up.
So I was the World Economic Forum.
Like they claim to be the this agency advocating for.
for private public partnerships, but they're like full on advocating
essentially like communist intersectionality.
Yeah.
And stuff like that.
It's like one of these really strange NGO.
And I mean, I don't mean to sound like, you know who, but like they're globalists.
They're actually.
jack posobiec
Yeah.
I just haven't had the bandwidth to dig into it.
I actually thought it was, maybe just from the name, I thought it was like a debt relief thing.
tim pool
They're basically saying, it's very vague.
They said, now it's time for planetary stakeholders to take responsibility and use the COVID crisis as an opportunity.
jack posobiec
Yeah, none of that.
I don't care what the rest of it is.
If that's the opening statement, nope.
lauren chen
I don't like vague.
jack posobiec
Totally against it.
lauren chen
No, it even sounds kind of New World Order-y.
It does, doesn't it?
jack posobiec
Global stakeholders?
tim pool
That's what they're saying.
jack posobiec
Nope, nope, nope.
tim pool
And they've defined global stakeholder for a long time saying that, you know, individuals are shareholders in our planet and blah, blah, blah.
jack posobiec
They should just come out and say it's whatever China wants.
It's just like, can we just skip to the end?
Like cut to the chase.
It's whatever, whatever China wants.
The New York Times, just Peter Baker had the article today that Admitting, essentially, that the WHO acceded to Chinese concessions for the Chinese government when it came to their COVID rollout.
That they knew that China's COVID response was terrible, that they had covered stuff up, and that the WHO went along with it, smoothed it over, because quote, they didn't want, and this is the New York Times I'm quoting from, that they didn't want to cause embarrassment to the government of China.
lydia smith
Amazing.
jack posobiec
Man.
Just to keep in mind, locking up doctors, well not just the Uyghurs, that's I would say separate, but they were locking up the literal doctors who were blowing the whistle on this.
lydia smith
Right, yeah.
tim pool
We got news.
Wilmington's William L. Cornpop Morris died at 73 in 2016.
73 in 2016 in 2016 so close
unidentified
In 2016.
Benjamin is there a corn pop jr. I'd love Yes.
tim pool
And a Corn Pop III.
lydia smith
I want to meet Corn Pop III.
tim pool
Benjamin the Rogue says, can we stop calling these people liberals?
I'm a liberal.
My mom's a liberal.
I've got liberal friends.
We're all voting Trump because we're not insane leftists.
Libs and cons values overlap a lot.
We're separated by temperament.
jack posobiec
I try to be careful about my words on that.
I do try to not call liberals leftists and I try to be serious.
And if I say the left, I make sure to capitalize that because I do think there's a difference there.
lauren chen
There is a difference there.
And I know like I complain about the, you know, the far left and things like that so much that it's actually I've actually have, even though I'm conservative, I have a lot of actual liberals.
And it's funny, like anytime I we sometimes talk about actual conservative issues, like how I'm, you know, I don't know, we'll talk about like the church or something, and then some of my audience would go like, what?
How could you say this?
It's like, guys, this is very par for the course for you.
But it's awesome that we do have those commonalities.
lydia smith
I like that, yeah.
tim pool
Colonel2142 says, Joe Biden has been in political office for 20% of the entire existence of the United States.
Think about that.
lydia smith
Yikes.
Oh, man.
lauren chen
Goodness.
tim pool
Jules Fisher says, ask your audience to put in the chat if they voted for Biden.
lydia smith
No.
unidentified
Why not?
tim pool
Yeah, they can.
lydia smith
They'll get shanked, I don't know.
tim pool
Let's see.
It's With a K says, as a musician, Trump voter, and beginner YouTuber, I am completely jealous of that amazing music video.
Good job, Tim.
Love the sound, genre, and the visuals are great.
Thank you.
I appreciate it.
Gandowin says, Tim, I hope you still use your NJ post office address.
Sent you three books and you'll really need to read through.
Harbinger, Oracle, and Harbinger 2.
Even Lauren would be interested in those books.
Hope they got to you.
Not yet, but we will probably get them soon.
lydia smith
We get them soon.
tim pool
Let's see.
Killer Skin Canoe says, Tim, love the show.
Great guests as always.
Biden has confirmed he's going after the AR-15.
Does any law-abiding gun owner really think he has our support?
What do the guests think about 2A?
I think it's an obvious.
jack posobiec
I'll say this, just in terms of electoral tactics, that the Trump campaign, I don't think has done a very good job of highlighting that issue.
That Joe Biden has stuff all over his website talking about Banning all online sales of online online sales of guns and accessories and magazines and I mean this is some pretty drastic stuff and yeah, the shooter community definitely knows about this but I do think that it's something if you actually highlighted how how far he's willing to go on some of these issues that you might
I don't know, you might turn on some people who wouldn't normally be involved in politics, but in many places, again, like Pennsylvania, where the Second Amendment is so culturally entwined with the life in that state.
Most of Pennsylvania doesn't look like Philadelphia, right?
That you might get, I don't know, there may have been some money left on the table there.
lauren chen
Yeah.
And I mean, I grew up outside of the United States.
I remember like the first time I shot a gun, it was in college and I was in Utah.
And I told my American roommate like, yeah, I never shot a gun.
And she just looks at me, goes like into her room, pulls out the shotgun.
She was like, let's go.
unidentified
And I'm like, whoa, America!
lauren chen
No, but I mean learning historically about the reasons why the Second Amendment exists and even looking culturally and politically around the world now, I think it's like one of the most important rights.
And I think, you know, they say Second Amendment protects the first.
I think that's absolutely true.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Well, uh, and for those, you probably know my opinions.
I've been tweeting about it.
I, in January, I was like, I don't want any guns in my house.
Sorry.
No, no excuse.
And then COVID happened and I was like, well, I'll think about it.
And the riots happened and I was like, how do I, how do I buy a gun?
And then I bought a bunch.
lauren chen
What's interesting is that in Canada, you can have a gun with like, Caveat, caveat, caveat.
It's not interesting.
Liam and I actually had to take a whole class just to get our permits, but you cannot use guns for self-defense.
unidentified
What?
lauren chen
Yeah, you actually don't have a right to self-defense in Canada, and you certainly cannot use a gun for self-defense.
tim pool
I mean, there are a lot of states where that's the case.
lauren chen
Yeah, and if you go to your gun licenses and they ask you, like, why do you want a gun when you're filling out the application?
If you say for self-defense, they will not give you your license.
tim pool
What do you say, hunting?
lauren chen
Yeah, hunting, collecting, marksmanship.
lydia smith
Yeah, Liam hunts.
tim pool
Collecting!
lauren chen
Scamps.
jack posobiec
I don't think people have really...
given credence to or really just understood how much those riots changed people on this.
tim pool
Oh, definitely.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
jack posobiec
I've had I've had people like buddies of mine from back home that they're like as as left as you can go.
Right.
But, you know, we're friends from growing up and we still talk and everything.
It's not like I'm not one of those people who's like, you know, judges people whether politics or disagree.
All right.
Talk about something.
You know, talk about Game of Thrones.
And and even he was like, dude, how do I get an IRA 15?
Like, I feel like I need one.
Like, I have a daughter.
lauren chen
Well, I mean, it's the combination of like, not only riots, but also all of these like liberal mayors or leftist mayors have been telling cops to stand down.
So I think that combination makes people scared.
lydia smith
Deadly combination.
lauren chen
Not only are there rioters, but you also can't depend on law enforcement to protect you.
jack posobiec
They may criticize the police, but they're, you know, when something goes wrong, you want to call 9-1-1.
lauren chen
Oh, for sure.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack posobiec
So then what happens if you call 9-1-1?
They don't come.
And that was probably the most devastating ad that Trump made.
lydia smith
Yeah.
jack posobiec
This year.
That you call 9-1-1 and you get put on.
I'm sorry.
That happened.
tim pool
There was the woman in her car and she's like, ma'am, we can't do anything.
Or there was this journalist in New York who said that a fight broke out outside his building near his door and they're trying to break in or something.
And the NYPD, you know, the 9-1-1 operator said, sir, the city is under attack.
lydia smith
What would you have us do?
tim pool
Yeah.
And he was like, what do I do?
It's like, well, you can't have a gun.
jack posobiec
I've got a buddy who's who's MIPD.
And some of those nights when he's out there on patrol, he texts me stuff.
And it's at some points of the of the lockdowns and like this was and this wasn't protest violence, by the way.
This was like.
This was like people going out settling scores kind of stuff.
lydia smith
Yeah, like purge.
jack posobiec
Like, you know, this is a family that wronged me or this is a guy who owes me money and you, and you, you see, and then when you see the bodies and he would send me pictures, uh, and it's, it's clearly meant to send a signal, right?
Send a signal to that community.
And believe me, they're sending signals to those communities.
So even, and the paper might, you know, the newspaper might just say, you know, two people were shot, you know, whatever.
But when you see the photo, you realize this is, this is very different than what we're used to seeing.
lauren chen
I think a lot of the political differences that exist really stems from urban versus rural because I think there are a lot of urban people out there who just can't imagine being further than like five minutes from a police station.
But for a lot of rural or even suburban voters, like what, 20-30 minutes?
It's like you don't have the luxury of just dialing and having someone to help right away.
A lot of times you're literally all there is.
tim pool
Someone brings up a good point.
Dave says, Tim, I think too many Republicans have waited till tomorrow and the voting polls won't be able to take them all.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
I know they did.
jack posobiec
Lines are going to be massive.
In Pennsylvania, the way, you know, because that's the election law I know off the top of my head.
Very well it the way it goes is if you are in line by 8 p.m.
That you are guaranteed the right to vote in person Wow, so even if you have to stay longer and it's like look guys if you're standing out for a rally You know, you can stand up for a vote.
tim pool
Oh, definitely will too usually and they will either Like broken glass.
jack posobiec
Oh, yeah.
And so the way it works is that the judge of elections or, you know, like a deputy judge of elections, what they'll do is they'll physically go out and stand at the back of the line when 8 p.m.
comes so that when somebody else would show up behind them and say, hey, look, this is the thing.
And by the way, this is coming up now.
If you read the Alito decision last week in Pennsylvania, this is a big issue when it comes to these mail-in ballots because There has to be a deadline for when they are mailed by.
And it's that same principle.
It's that same principle that the polls are not open forever.
It's not like we can't keep recounting the votes until Trump loses, right?
So there has to be.
And so that was a 4-4 decision.
So they let the lower court ruling stand.
But in Alito's opinion, he sort of left the door open for, hey, you know, once the election starts, if you file this again, you'll have more standing because you can actually prove injury.
And then and what else happened between then and now, of course, we now have a new Supreme Court justice who's on the bench.
So you're not going to see a four to four, which I think she was actually on the bench.
But because she hadn't been there for the argument, she didn't rule on that one.
This is going to be, I mean, such an issue coming forward as to You know, when is the last moment that you accept ballots in these states?
And it's got to be what the law says.
And you can't, the Democrats are trying to change what their own law says.
tim pool
Yeah.
jack posobiec
In terms of that deadline.
tim pool
All right.
So we got, uh, we'll do one last very important super chat.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Dean says, Hey, Tim, can you tell us again what Biden will do?
I need to understand that one word, please.
Biden said he's going to mobilize Truin Inanna Shaba Depreasure.
jack posobiec
That's right.
tim pool
So I listened to that hundreds of times.
Trinidad a Shabbat a Prisher.
I have no idea what he was saying.
lydia smith
No idea.
lauren chen
When I first saw that, it was on a tweet and it was written and I thought, is this like a new COVID treatment?
And then I was like, oh, no, it's not.
tim pool
There's no L in there.
jack posobiec
It does sound like one of those, you know, like a drug for before they get... Are you feeling symptoms of COVID?
unidentified
Try Trinidad a Shabbat a Prisoner.
tim pool
Mobilized by Joe Biden.
jack posobiec
Are you feeling inadequate?
Are you feeling like less than half the man you used to be?
tim pool
Just bring your Batacath care card and you can get your first sample of Truin Inanna Shabba Depreshur.
jack posobiec
Three dose of Truanana Shaba Depressur.
tim pool
Truan-in-ana Shaba Depressur.
jack posobiec
I'd like to, you know, how would I, I'd love to do like the, like the NPR bit of
that, you know, I think that when Biden spoke from his heart about Truanana Shaba
Depressur, it really just, it spoke to me.
lydia smith
Let's face it though, a Biden State of the Union.
jack posobiec
Oh, she said it.
She said it.
She went there.
Oh my goodness.
tim pool
That's why I'm saying, look, if Joe Biden wins, look, I'm going to laugh.
lauren chen
I know it's going to be great.
jack posobiec
Memes are going to write themselves.
tim pool
Yeah.
It's going to be wonderful.
Anyway, guys, thanks so much for hanging out.
We have a big election party tomorrow.
lydia smith
Yes, we do.
tim pool
And we're just going to have the stream rolling.
So it's not going to be like our normal podcast.
We're going to start streaming at some point in the evening and just leave it.
We're going to be doing something, so many of you may have seen when the leftists are
like, Tim, why don't you Skype with people?
We have no capability for Skype because in case, maybe people haven't realized, Lauren
is sitting across from Jack and I'm sitting across from the camera.
There's no screens.
I can sort of look to my right and see a screen and we don't have anything set up for Skype.
So what I'm going to do is we're going to take a laptop and we're going to Skype with
the laptop in the chair.
lauren chen
Very good.
tim pool
Skype and dirty.
I don't even know if we can do it to be completely honest.
lydia smith
I'm not sure.
We're going to try.
tim pool
Yeah, we're going to see what we can do.
But tomorrow will be really fun.
lydia smith
May I say?
I'm very excited.
I'm going to be like kind of an emcee.
I'm going to be reading some of the super chats.
I'm going to be keeping people in order in the studio so that Tim can go and have fun.
I'll be sipping a beer.
If you'd like to see me drink a beer, I will not be drinking to excess, but I will be having a little bit of fun and a little bit of combos.
I'll be having a bunch of combos because we have like eight million pounds.
tim pool
I accidentally ordered like 300 bags of combos, little crackers.
I thought I was, I thought I was ordering 10 bags and I ordered 10 cases.
jack posobiec
I was ordering a bunch of things.
So when the revolution comes, you'll be ready.
unidentified
Oh, definitely.
tim pool
And dehydrated, for sure.
They're good, they're good.
The seven layer burrito one, I didn't even know this thing was real.
It tastes really great.
jack posobiec
I gotta try that.
How do they fit seven layers into one little...
tim pool
It's just, it's just brown goo.
lydia smith
But it tastes like a burrito.
jack posobiec
But it's called seven layers.
It's like, do you know a thousand year eggs?
Yeah, all those are gross though.
In China, they have this thing called thousand year eggs.
tim pool
Is that where they vinegar or whatever?
And there's like, the bird is in it, right?
jack posobiec
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack posobiec
What do you mean?
Well, they can make it without, but yeah.
These are really a thousand years in one egg?
tim pool
Well, do you guys want to mention your social media?
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
lauren chen
So at the Lauren Chen on Twitter and Instagram and Lauren Chen on YouTube.
You could also subscribe to our podcast, Pseudo Intellectual on iTunes, Spotify, Google Play.
Yes.
I think that's all of them.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack posobiec
Okay, so Jack Posobiec on Twitter and Instagram, J-C-K-P-O-S-O-B-I-E-C.
You can always catch me on the One American News Network.
Also check out brand new AntifaMovie.com.
And if you are a Trump supporter and you want to get a really cool woodworking project that's out there, check out TrumpCuts on Instagram.
It's like a silhouette of Trump with different designs on him.
tim pool
AntifaMovie.com.
jack posobiec
AntifaMovie.com.
tim pool
Interesting.
I'll check it out.
unidentified
I got it.
All right.
tim pool
Well, everybody, thanks for hanging out.
Of course, you can follow at Sour Patch Lids.
lydia smith
You can.
You can, of course.
L-Y-D-S.
tim pool
L-Y-D-S.
And if you haven't already, make sure on this channel, go and check out the new video I just put up.
It's Will of the People original song and music video.
It is about all of the politics and everything going on right now.
And it's a story.
I hope you enjoy it.
lydia smith
It's really well done.
tim pool
You can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler at Timcast.
You can check out my other YouTube channels, YouTube.com slash Timcast and YouTube.com slash Timcast News, because I have too many.
But we're also we also do this show and I have two podcasts, the Tim Pool Daily Show and Timcast IRL on iTunes, Google, Spotify, all of those platforms.
We are going to be back at some point tomorrow.
We're going to be hanging out.
We're going to be a ton of people here.
It's going to get weird because you're going to be like, wait, those two people are talking?
This is a crazy show, but it's gonna be fantastic.
And I got like a skeeball machine downstairs and we're gonna have fun and people are gonna drink.
So anyway, we'll see how it goes tomorrow and hopefully the chaos doesn't start.
Hopefully there's no chaos, but I'm pretty sure the riots are gonna start at some point.
Oh, there will be.
The whole country is boarding up.
jack posobiec
I'm hoping it's... I hope it's just legal chaos.
I hope it's just legal chaos.
unidentified
Well, I want enough protesting so that it's interesting, but then no one gets hurt.
jack posobiec
Like John Grisham level chaos.
tim pool
We'll see what tomorrow brings.
Thanks for hanging out everybody and we will see you all tomorrow.
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