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Oct. 31, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool

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Timcast IRL - Kyle Rittenhouse EXTRADITED To Kenosha, DEBUNKING Critical Race Theory With Chris Rufo

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unidentified		you you
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		we got big breaking news So we're just going to jump right into the show tonight and talk about it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We have a really great guest, Christopher Ruffo, who is responsible solely for getting Donald Trump to ban these critical race theory trainings.
unidentified		Right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that fair?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Not solely, but I was the catalyst for it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Giving you all the credit.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Started it off, and then some very good people, including Tucker Carlson, and then the White House staff really ran and took the ball.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on, right on.
		So, we've got some big news.
		We'll jump into it in a second, just do the regular intro for today.
		Welcome to the show.
		We're having internet trouble.
		Welcome to living in the middle of nowhere, which is, we're actually going to talk about being in the middle of nowhere, so hopefully the show doesn't cut out too bad, because this is significant to what we're going to be talking about.
		We have news on Kyle Rittenhouse.
		So, of course, I'm Tim Poole.
		This is Tim Cass IRL Podcast.
		We got Ian.
		He's chilling.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Hello, everyone.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We got Lydia.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She's producing.
unidentified		Hi, guys.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Christopher Ruffa is our guest.
		And let's just jump straight into the news.
		Kyle Rittenhouse is going to be extradited.
		We've got the story here.
		Teenage Kenosha riot gunman Kyle Rittenhouse will be extradited to Wisconsin to face murder charges for shooting dead two left-wing protesters.
		And, of course, he shot a third person.
		And that's about it.
		I mean, that's the gist of the news.
		But we've got, man, National Guard called into Philadelphia.
		The likelihood, I suppose, on everyone's mind with the election coming up, it's, what is it?
		Today's Friday night.
		This is usually when things get heated.
		It's the weekends when riots kick off.
		Now we're hearing that they're going to be extraditing Kyle Rittenhouse, which is, I guess, in a sense, in terms of simmering everything down, good news, I'm sure, for those.
		I don't know if it's good news or bad news for Kyle himself.
		I don't know what the lawyers are saying.
		I guess they're worried about his safety, so they want him to go, you know, face trial, whatever.
		But this might maybe be some good things for the rioters.
		I don't know.
		I don't think there's anything that's going to make them calm down.
		Now, as we get into election day, which is three days now.
		Three more days.
		So Saturday, Sunday, and Monday, and then Tuesday will be it.
		So it's kind of four days.
		It's going to get spicy.
		It's going to get real crazy.
		So, uh, for those that aren't familiar, uh, Christopher Ruffo, you, you, I don't want to say what you exactly specialize in, but you definitely do cover critical race theory, which is like this wokeness stuff.
		So I think you might have a lot of insights into the motivations of at least some of the rioters and some of the things they've been protesting and saying, as well as the actions taken by the president.
		I don't know if you want to just mention a bit about what you do and.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I will.
		And, you know, really to your point about the unrest, I was in D.C.
		all day today, I was meeting at the White House, and I went out to Georgetown last night, and throughout the city businesses are now boarding up all their windows, they're putting up fencing, they're putting up barriers, they're putting up fortifications.
		The kind of feeling just walking through the city is that things are going to pop off with almost a hundred percent degree of certainty.
		And my thought is that, you know, a lot of these folks are looking for any kind of rationale for going out in the streets.
		So I think that it's very likely to get ugly, to get feisty on election night.
		Everywhere.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And tomorrow's a full moon.
unidentified		Oh no!
unidentified		Oh dude!
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Of course it is!
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh my god!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Hold on, buddies are water.
		No, no, but we were just driving back because we're trying to get set up for this.
		We're doing this big party.
		We're gonna have a bunch of people here and, you know, we're in the middle of nowhere, elevated, surrounded by a bunch of other armed residents.
		It's a really interesting property and we're coming back and I'm looking at the moon and it is Ominous.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		It's big man.
		I was driving up here and saying like, whoa, I almost hit three deer on the way in here.
		I was like, there's some vibes happening.
		Yeah, for real.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dude, people don't, you want, you want to know some, some true facts?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		More crime is committed during full moons.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you know that?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude, the tides, the moon I heard used to be closer to the earth and would have this real oval shape going around the earth and it would pull the tides like hundreds of feet in the air.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That was a long time ago, but there's a really simple reason why more crime is committed during a full moon.
		It's brighter out.
		I don't know if you've ever gone to the middle of nowhere.
		You know what's really, really cool is when, because I grew up in Chicago, we would go to the lake during a new moon and it was the scariest thing.
		You look out into the lake and it was a void.
		Like, you couldn't see anything.
		You're like, whoa.
		But you hear the water and that sea, you fall and you die.
		During a full moon, you can see everything.
		It's like reflecting.
		So, we got a full moon and it's gonna be a Saturday night full moon, just before the election, while these riots are going off, on Halloween!
unidentified		2020 doesn't disappoint.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		It does not, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		So, uh, so I guess, look, um, we, I wanted to open it with this big update on, on what's going on with Cott Rittenhouse.
		It doesn't, it's not definitive of anything particularly, but it does have a lot to do with the unrest we're seeing, what's going to happen.
		We've got the election coming up and there's a, there's a lot of stuff to talk about in this.
		I don't know if they're still doing it, but I don't know if you heard this, you know, you mentioned they're boarding things up.
		Did you hear that Walmart was taking the guns off the shelves and hiding the ammo?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I didn't hear that, but it makes a lot of sense.
		I mean, people are in kind of siege mentality.
		I even heard a friend said there's a shortage of toilet paper again.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, there is.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Which is also weird.
		It's like, when did this become the panic buying thing?
		If you want to survive, I feel like toilet paper is very far down on the list.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you see what's going on in Paris?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I've seen a little bit of it, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like tens of thousands of cars flooding the highways all gridlocked for miles.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like they're gridlocked because when a traffic jam is so big, no car can move.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if you ever played that game, it's called gridlock, where you have all,
		you have, you have street and all the cars and you got to move the car to like figure
		out how to break the gridlock.
unidentified		Oh.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But there's like when you have a car in every direction going, you know,
		up, down, left, right, or north, south, east, west, they all block each other.
		And so none of the cars can move.
		In Paris, they're doing new draconian lockdowns, where you have to have your papers if you want to go outside, proving you have a right to go outside.
		This is crazy.
		So people jump in their cars and they take off, trying to flee the city.
		Stores are getting raided once again.
		It's like, just like it was back in March.
		It's happening again.
		And it's a full moon.
		It's Halloween.
		It's election night.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Lydia's not wearing her mask.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I wonder if this is like the end of the simulation.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's it, you know, the culmination.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Best part.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's for sure.
		We were just hanging out.
		Are you familiar with simulation theory?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		like the singularity like Ray Kurzweil or just like like like the Matrix yeah
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		yeah like our universe is a simulation of some yeah yeah we were just we're
		just hanging out and I was like what if what if we're in this simulation and
		everything we're doing feels like the most important thing ever and there's
		like Donald Trump is president and there's a crime wave and riots and
		things are exploding and then they're like arming the nukes and dictators are
		getting ready and the guys running the simulation are actually just tracking
		like the Peruvian dung beetles mating cycle And so, like, we're in this simulation, but they're just, like, sitting at a computer being like, Hey, did you see that in the simulation?
		Donald Trump is president?
		Oh, did you look at that?
		Anyway, look at the dung beetles.
		They're mating this season.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		A completely different kind of thought process and brain.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Their interests are misaligned with ours.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, we think we're important.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We have nothing to do with it.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		It's all about those dung beetles.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, man.
		It's crazy to see all this stuff starting to ignite again.
		Because I'll tell you, man, usually on Fridays, news is slow and boring.
		And then all of a sudden, today, it was just like, whoa, there's riots across Europe because of COVID lockdown stuff.
		Toilet paper shortages again.
		Yeah, now we got DC boarding up, National Guard deployed in Philadelphia, riots in New York, and now something just happened in... where did it happen?
		We just had another shooting of some guy.
		Seriously?
		Yeah, yeah, I saw it on Twitter.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Man, I took a nap, guys.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Give me a break.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was a dude who was shooting at cops, and the cops killed him, and now there's, you know, rioters coming out Friday night too, so...
		Yeah, man.
		So let's just let's just do this.
		You went on Fox News and you called on the president to ban critical race theory.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that's how it happened.
		And it was a it was a really a kind of a process.
		And I did a number of stories on critical race theory in government agencies.
		So the first one was in Seattle.
		Where the Seattle Office of Civil Rights, ironically enough, was hosting racially segregated diversity trainings.
		And the training for white employees was called Interrupting Whiteness and Internalized Racial Superiority.
		So they would have white employees come in, they would be kind of forced to stand to say, I'm Karen, I'm a she, her, I'm white, and then essentially admit and then deconstruct their complicity in white supremacy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Struggle sessions.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Struggle sessions.
		I mean, it had all the documentation, and the charts, and the graphs, and objectivity is racist, and et cetera, et cetera.
		And I kind of got my hands on these documents through a public records request, and I said, this is crazy, but it's outside of my normal field of expertise, which for the last two years has been poverty, homelessness, addiction, and urban disorder.
		But I said, you know what?
		I'm going to throw this up on Twitter.
		I'm just kind of using my Twitter account, kind of starting, and I'll see what happens.
		And then it's just, boom.
		So then I write an article about it in City Journal, and I think it went to the New York Post.
		And then I started just getting deluged with leakers and whistleblowers from everywhere in the government.
		All of a sudden my inbox is just like, I'm in the Treasury Department, I'm in the FBI, I'm in the IRS, I'm in the EPA, I'm in the Justice Department, and they're doing the same stuff.
		And that's the moment I said, I've stumbled on something big and something that is happening to a lot of people.
		And people are saying, hey, look, we can't oppose this.
		I can't get up and say, I think this is wrong.
		I'll get, you know, crucified.
		I'll get retaliated against.
		I'll lose my job.
		I'll get, you know, kind of turned into a pariah at the office.
		But I really am deeply upset about this and it's wrong and it's a waste of money.
		So then I just went did story after story after story and just you know worked up the media chain Dropped it on Twitter first link to an article and City Journal or the New York Post or another publication And then from there, you know booked on on Laura Ingram booked on Tucker Wow and and after I did that process four or five times I'd created enough of an evidence base where it's persuasive that this is happening in many places.
		And then Tucker's producer called me and he said, Hey, look, I want you to do the monologue with Tucker Carlson tonight and just lay it out.
unidentified		Wow.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		And I said, that's cool.
		Let's do it.
		And he says, and he says, all right, you got two hours, write the monologue that you want to do.
		Tucker will set you up and then, and then, and then do it.
		And I said, all right, cool.
		I'm driving up to the studio and, all right, cool.
		You know, read it off the teleprompter and then we'll do it.
		And then I get a call to say, we couldn't book a teleprompter.
		And I said, okay.
		And he said, you're just going to have to just wing it.
		You have three and a half minutes.
		You just have to vibe on it.
		And you're in a dark room.
		There's lights.
		You don't see him.
		You just hear him in a little earpiece.
		And then I said, all right, I got this.
		Let's do it.
		And I started feeling those butterflies a little bit.
		And then Tucker sets it up beautifully.
		And then, honestly, I just kind of blacked out.
		I just got into the flow of it and just spitfire, just rattled it out, outlined the research, quoted the best that I could, kind of paraphrasing what happened.
		And then at the very end, something I'd rehearsed on the way, riding in my truck on the way up to Seattle, I said, And then I call on the President of the United States to immediately issue an executive order abolishing critical race theory in the federal government.
		I just said, what the hell?
		Go for it.
		Do it!
		And then finish up the segment.
		And I just had an intuition, a feeling.
		I said, this hit.
		Pulling back from 50 yards and hit the target.
		And it worked.
		And it worked!
		And then the next morning, around 7 a.m., I'm up with my kids, you know, drinking coffee, and I get a call on my cell phone from a 202 number in D.C., right?
		I say, okay, it worked.
		Something happened.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Someone's calling me.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		And then I get a call, and you know, I've said this before, so it's not really private information, and he says, you know, Christopher, this is Mark Meadows, the chief of staff.
		I'm calling on behalf of the president.
		You know, he saw your segment on Tucker Carlson.
		He's tasked me to take immediate action.
		Wow.
		And then from there I thought, I don't know the bureaucratic process.
		I think it's going to go through a process and a study committee and the typical DC process where they want to do something and then maybe six months later it happens.
		Within 72 hours, the OMB director Russ Vought, who I saw today and is an amazing person, issued a letter basically saying, none of this ever again.
		And then three weeks after that, the full executive order signed by the president.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did this ban—so what did it ban specifically?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What did Trump ban?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		So it's interesting.
		It's thought of, I think accurately, as a ban on critical race theory trainings in the federal government.
		But the executive order actually doesn't say critical race theory anywhere in it.
		What they've done is really smart.
		Instead of saying, ban critical race theory, well, what is critical race theory?
		The critical race theorists and the kind of progressives who kind of espouse that ideology Um, change language at an amazingly rapid rate.
		They, they throw up a term, you can't debate it, you can't talk about it, you can't think about it.
		It's so fast.
		And these languages, they burn, right?
		Like they're going to toss up, you know, some, some new phrase, it's, it's, it's persuasive for a quick minute and then everyone hates it and then they just recycle it with something new.
		So what they said is we're going to categorize divisive concepts.
		And the divisive concepts are really simple.
		You can't stereotype, scapegoat, or demean people on the basis of their sex or their race.
unidentified		That's it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's already illegal.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		That's already illegal.
		It's already illegal, but they basically codified it within the executive agencies.
		They gave a directive saying anything that falls under these divisive concepts, these categories of stereotyping, scapegoating, and demeaning.
		And then they did something really brilliant.
		They said, not only in the federal agencies and the military, but if you want to do business with the federal government, if you're a large corporation, most of them are large corporations, you can no longer do this anywhere in your business.
		Because we don't want to work with people who stereotype, scapegoat, and demean.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So basically what they're getting rid of, it's like sending white people on retreats, I guess, was one of the things on your website.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They had all the white men go and deconstruct their stuff or identity or whatever.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, exactly.
		So one of the most kind of egregious examples was the Sandia National Laboratories.
		This is the laboratory that designs our nuclear arsenal.
		So this is a serious thing.
		It's not like the Department of Dietary Guidelines somewhere deep in the health sector.
		These people design our nukes that protect the United States of America.
		This is a serious thing.
		And they had basically from the directives from the very top, they had said, you know, we need to address our white privilege within the national laboratories.
		And we've hired a diversity training firm.
		Literally called this is the firm that contracted with the federal agency white men as full diversity partners and they specialize in and what they did for the for the for the trainers here they took white male executives they put him on a three day retreat at a kind of luxury resort in New Mexico And they set up this kind of grueling process where they were saying, you have to deconstruct your white male identity.
		They put up on the board and had people kind of, they kind of fished for people to make associations and said, well, white male culture is associated with mass killings, the KKK, MAGA hats, white supremacy.
		These are all of the kind of evils that are lurking within your identity to the top nuclear weapons engineers in the world.
		And then we're going to spend the next three days deconstructing that identity and forcing you to confront your white privilege, your male privilege, your heterosexual privilege.
		And then at the end of it, they had them write letters to these kind of imaginary women and people of color.
		I don't remember where I was reading this.
		Maybe you guys might remember where they were talking about the Chinese manipulation technique for POWs.
		a part of these grown men, you know, being kind of bullied into writing, I am sorry for
unidentified		Oh, yeah.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		my privilege.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		It's embarrassing and it's completely outrageous.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't remember where I was reading this.
		Maybe you guys might remember where they were talking about the Chinese manipulation technique
		for POWs.
		Oh, yeah.
		What they would do is they wouldn't ever have them come out and be extremely overt.
		They would say, if you want to eat, you have to just simply write that the United States
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Little things.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Little tiny things.
		And they'd be like, oh, well, that's fine.
		Of course it's not perfect.
		Then the next time they would say, tell us one thing you wish you could change about the United States.
		And that was the way they opened the door into getting them to saying, you know, well, I've already said that.
		I can certainly say this.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		And the amazing thing is that they do it with social pressure.
		That's really the kind of most powerful part of this, is that if you don't comply, you are somehow bad, or you endorse some bad thing.
		So people's fear, people, a lot of these folks in the government agencies are middle-aged people with families, waiting for a pension, they don't want to rock the boat, so they just do it, and as soon as, it's like a sales technique, hey man, you know, can I stop you for a second?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Sure.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		As soon as you get the first yes, I've hooked you in.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You don't even need a yes.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		That's like a sales technique from, you know, I did door-to-door sales when I was a teenager.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Like, they always get the first yes, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You don't need a yes.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		You don't even need a yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I used to do street fundraising.
		You know what I would do?
		What?
		So, they do these trainings for people on, like, how to stop people.
		Hey, do you have a minute to talk about the environment?
		No.
		I don't do it.
		You know what I would do?
		I walk up and go, hey, and stick my hand out.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they would immediately grab my hand and I'd shake it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm here to talk to you about why you're... It's a physical yes.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		As soon as they reach down to shake, and everyone does.
		Every person will shake your hand.
		They can't leave while you're shaking your hands.
		And you got about 10 seconds and you say, now let me show you this.
		And you put the clipboard in their hand.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		It's the foundation of your success.
unidentified		Yeah, man.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		It's the strong handshake.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, it's not about strong.
		It's that the really good fundraisers would say, Shake their hand and then before you're done, you're handing them the clipboard.
		They grab it and now they're holding your stuff and do not take it back.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		So you're like raising money for the environment or for Greenpeace?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, among many other companies.
		And so this is it.
		If they're holding your clipboard and they try giving it back to you, you just cross your arms or you don't want to cross your arms.
		It's defensive.
		So you just like hold your hands together and act like you don't realize what they're trying to do.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		But it's very hard to not shake the hand.
		And so if you're in a room with all of your peers and high status people and you're in a government agency and everyone says you have to get up and identify yourself as a white male and say that you're here to deconstruct your identity, it's very hard to just say, I'm going to sit down and I'm not going to do it.
		And then the Critical Race series, to their credit, they've constructed the argument in a really ingenious way.
		It's almost constructed like an intellectual mousetrap.
		Where if you dissent, if you disagree, embedded in their argument, if you disagree, that's an admission of guilt.
		So, oh, well, you don't agree with this?
		Well, that's your white privilege.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		That's your white fragility.
		That's your internalized racial dominance or oppression.
		So, they've created a category that is psychological in nature, that is new, that is distinct from old forms of manipulation and even unconscious bias, right?
		I mean, what is unconscious bias?
		Are they preferences?
		Experiences?
		Can you measure it?
		Is it valid?
		A lot of real questions about that.
		But, you know, lost in that is we've moved from a society, to our credit, that has moved away from conscious bias, discrimination, and racism.
		That's a part of the American history.
		To now we're worried about deep in the recesses of your subconscious, is there some hidden preference that we can measure and try to change?
		We're not doing, kind of, mind con— like, it's not even, like, behavior control.
		It's a form of, kind of, social control.
		It's a form of, kind of, deep, kind of, psychological conditioning, and it's no good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's a bunch of different things within it, but I'll say there's a couple things.
		One, when you talk about the nuclear arsenal, it seems like a virus, like a computer virus, an idea virus, was infected in some people and is now demoralizing and crippling our ability to function as a nation.
		Because you've got people who... How are we supposed to have a national defense if America is inherently racist and white people this, that, and that?
		But the other thing I think is...
		Well, I don't want to go as far as to say that this was intentionally done, but the general idea I'm bringing up is, if this is reaching so many different facets of our country, you have the partisan divide between, look, a lot of people have said the culture war is libertarian versus authoritarian, nationalist versus globalist, it could be woke versus anti-woke, I don't know, but I'll tell you this, if you have people Who believe in an ideology with no real structure.
		It's just a chaotic, amorphous, destructive force.
		And it's growing because people are scared to speak up against it.
		Then it is spreading into our industries and eventually will just erode it like some kind of mold tearing away at the foundation.
		You know what I mean?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I totally know what you mean, and it's interesting to see it in corporations, right?
		I mean, you know, you're kind of classical Marxists.
		If you told them, hey, your ideology that has been adapted over the generations and kind of transposed onto kind of modern conceptions of race will now be in the boardrooms of the major kind of technological and industrial corporations of the world, they'd look at you like you were completely insane.
		But the thing is that I've talked to executives off the record, anonymously rather, who say, hey, what's going on?
		Why is big tech companies, why are they just all in on this stuff?
		And they said, because you can't say no.
		98% of people in my workforce don't care.
		They don't want to deal with it.
		It's like nerdy engineers and then business guys.
		They don't want anything to do with this stuff.
		They're apolitical, kind of at best.
		But if you have even three or four people that are kind of committed ideologues that want to bring in and say, we need a diversity program.
		Sounds good.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Diversity is good.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		You know, fantastic.
		And then they get kind of a foothold, and then you can't say no.
		You don't want to be the executive that's saying, oh, we're not going to have a diversity program.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Red Bull did.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Red Bull did, but Red Bull is a kind of different company.
		And Red Bull can operate in a different ownership structure, a different political culture.
		And the fact is, a lot of our kind of most High growth companies in the United States are now physically rooted in prestige, very progressive cities.
		And this is a defensive maneuver.
		They're trying to buy... I mean, you know, in Seattle now, the new hockey arena sponsored by Bezos is now the climate change arena.
		I mean, like, you know, so it's almost kind of like trying to buy some kind of peace.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And you know what's not going to work?
		You know what I think is happening with this critical race theory stuff?
		At least as it pertains to this kind of general wokeness that, you know, people like the progressives use.
		It's not really, in my opinion, there's not really any real core ideology behind it.
		There's just like kind of bits and pieces and fragments that are duct-taped together to give them something they can claim is an ideology.
		And the reason I say this is you can see them contradict themselves, change definitions, And every other day, it's like, oh, well, what I said the other day, you don't understand because you're racist or you're wrong.
		They change everything over and over again.
		And what I see what they're actually doing is you have individuals who are simply asserting their power and demanding it, and they won't back down.
		So it's almost like, you know how a pecking order works with chickens?
		You put all the chickens, all the hens in the space, and then they like figure out which one's in charge.
		They did an experiment where they decided to take what they called super chickens.
		These were the hens that like were the dominant of the pack.
		They took all the super chickens from different packs, put them together, guess what happened?
		They all pecked each other to death.
		They didn't give up.
		The reason why I'm telling you this, when I see people who are like posting things on Facebook and they're saying all this woke stuff and they're white, what I do is to try to communicate with them is a basic general communication technique where I will find something we agree on, Racism is bad.
		And then I will take their ideology and use it and demand that they submit to their own ideas.
		They will not do it.
		Showing that their only real intention is to be the super chicken pecking everyone down.
		So an example of this would be a white person.
		I just saw this exchange on Facebook.
		A white person said in a post, if you are friends with a black person, but you don't know their pain, then you're not really friends with that black person.
		And a mixed race black person responded with, excuse me?
		I don't need a white person telling me about my life and my experiences.
		I certainly don't need them fighting on my behalf.
		I've dealt with enough racism from both sides.
		And then this person started arguing with them.
		You don't understand anything you're talking about.
		Clearly showing they don't really believe in an ideology.
		So I've engaged in conversations like this where I'll say, you know, things like, this is really great, thank you for fighting against racism, we all agree it's bad, it's so important.
		Now, as I am the underprivileged in this conversation, I would appreciate, what would really be helpful in mending these things is if you would agree to do this, no, F you, you're racist, I'm in charge.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I would disagree with you on two points.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		One is, I think it is a very rigorously refined and structured ideology that is coherent and has been well articulated for a long time, and we can go over the kind of lineage of it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But just to mention, I'm referring to the general street walking.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I mean the generous three people on anything man you'd be like right, you know, so many people are there you could
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		ask Yeah, what I mean specifically is not the Robin D'angelo's
		who are writing a book Yeah
		Putting these things out the regular people who are these activists who think they're they're pushing this ideology
		are actually just trying to demand You bow to them dude. I have this experience where I was
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		trying to convince 2016 I was trying to tell my friends in LA I tell him about
		Hillary Clinton's emails and I was like, dude Look at the he really loved Hillary
		She's it's her time me and it's her time and I'm like dude Look at what she had with Sidney Blumenthal.
		I was like laying it out for him And he was just building and getting angrier and angrier and then all sudden he started screaming at me It's just your white privilege Ian.
		You've got white privilege and he'd never we've been friends for like a decade He'd never mentioned anything like that was somewhere deep inside of it He was screaming and I didn't know what to say.
		I was like, I'm not racist No, no, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was an attempt to just, I win.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm in charge.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Bend to me.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It was like a weird, irrational power play.
unidentified		It's a power play, yeah.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		But that's actually, and this is a really important point to understand.
		That is actually something that is very much in line with their ideology.
		It's actually an expression of their ideology.
		The critical race theorists in the foundational text of the 1990s explicitly reject objectivity.
		So it's actually not a contradiction of their ideology to say, well, you know, that's that, this is this.
		Who knows?
		It's not objective, but my personal narrative No, no, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		My lived experience.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		My lived experience, right.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		They love adding unnecessary adjectives that sound small.
unidentified		Yes, I know.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		My lived experience.
		Oh, my lived experience.
		Oh, what happened to my experience?
		Right, right.
		But, um, no, but it really is.
		And because they argue, and much like Marx argued, is that, you know, we have created these systems like democracy, like the Constitution, like private property, like liberalism, like civil rights even.
		But those are simply camouflage for naked power and domination.
		And we have to dismiss those kind of false structures of freedom and equality and boil the world down to simple power relations.
		So whatever you do, expressing your power, calling you a white privileged guy, Or shutting your friend down even if he's mixed race on Facebook or whatever it is, is justified ideologically because they've rejected objective truth.
		They've rejected kind of what they would call traditional theory.
		They've rejected norms.
		And then in a world where there's nothing but power, everything is justified.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		I think I think if you look at everything they've written, they've created, I guess what people refer to as a Kafka trap.
		No matter what you do, you're it.
		If you reject that you're racist, it proves you're racist.
		But it really does feel like none of what they're saying actually makes sense.
		Like when they call Ben Shapiro an orthodox Jew and Nazi, and when they call Candace Owens a black woman, a white supremacist, any regular person sitting down, I'm just gonna imagine there's like some guy, He's sitting in a chair having a coffee with his eyes half closed, just not really caring about the world, and he's got his phone and he's looking.
		And then he sees across the street Candace Owens, a black woman, and some white guy goes, you're a white supremacist!
		And that guy thinks, what the?
		That's the weirdest thing I've ever seen.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, like this person is deranged.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you see this is really funny video?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I shouldn't call it funny, but there's a black guy holding a Trump flag and a white guy wearing a Black Lives Matter shirt yelling at him.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, amazing.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		But it doesn't matter, psychologically it doesn't matter, because even if it's totally absurd to the general public, you live in a world where you have a limited number of social connections, maybe 200 social connections on average a person.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		So if the people that are actually meaningful to you, or even weirder, the people who are in your Twitter mentions, if you're not kind of steeled to it, at this point you're steeled to it, you don't care what people say, But most people, for them, if you get mobbed on Twitter, the first time it happened to me, it was terrifying.
unidentified		Right.
unidentified		It's awful.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I'll admit it.
		It's terrible.
		And you feel like, oh my God, you feel like your life is over.
		You feel like, you know, it's really it's an ephemeral thing.
		But psychologically, you feel like it's the end of the world.
		And that's why it's effective.
		It's very effective, even if it's totally logically absurd.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Are you familiar with the meme where there's like two women and they see something and they go like, like this really nasty face and the guy behind him starts going like, that's how I feel about like Twitter and stuff.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Explain who's the woman, who's the guy?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Regular people are the women who like see all the tweets and go like, oh, what's happening?
		And I'm the guy who's like, everyone's tweeting at me and I'm like, yeah, totally.
		You know what, man?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		You have to get there.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, you have to get there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I've been on the internet my whole life, you know?
		And I think there are people who are trolls on the internet who've never cared.
		In fact, they revel in the attention when people are coming after them.
		But you are correct in how it works.
		But what people don't realize is that one person can do it with sock puppet accounts.
		So you're familiar with sock puppetry?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's say you're a bakery and you made an American flag cupcakes for the 4th of July.
		And then all of a sudden, on Twitter, you get 50 notifications.
		Your phone's going... And you're like, this has never happened to you before.
		You don't get this.
		And you look and they're like, I can't believe you would do this.
		Indigenous people, you are offended.
		I can't believe it.
		There are migrants in this country.
		That flag is a symbol of hatred.
		And then you're like, well, I'm getting inundated by all these people.
		To you, seeing an endless feed of all these people saying F U U racist feels like everyone.
		But it is but a handful of people.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		It's like one sad lonely guy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Did you see that video of the guy with all the cell phones?
unidentified		He's got like 60 of them and he's like doing all this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The click farmers will have a wall of phones and they walk up and they go swipe, enter, swipe, enter, swipe, enter.
		It reminds me of this, the family, I think it was Family Guy.
		They, uh, Peter Griffin, he's like doing his public access show and it's really offensive.
		And then the FCC is like, we've received seven phone calls.
		And of course that translates to 700 billion people.
		Like something like that.
		Like they just extrapolate.
		Regular people see a small handful and it feels like everyone and they bend immediately.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Even having one of my good friends.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		And you can't blame them.
		I mean, you really have to feel sympathy for somebody.
		Nah, nah, I'm sorry.
		He's like, I'm a pizza owner.
		I don't know what's happening.
		It's very frightening.
		Obviously, I hope that they don't.
		And I think that over time, as a culture, we're kind of adapting to this, so it's becoming more diffuse.
		But, you know, you have to understand it, at least.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There's two ways we can go with it.
		The wokest gain control, and everyone just is terrified and living underneath the boot, worried that they'll say something wrong.
		And so they just, they don't realize That everyone feels the same way as they do.
		That would be a scary reality.
		Where I would like this to go is that people become calloused.
		And then they start saying, go F yourself!
		Someone walks in their store and says, I couldn't help but notice that you have a poster in your window.
		Oh yeah?
		You want me to put up two of them?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		So basically we need to like adopt the Queen's mindset across the United States, you know?
		Just don't care.
		And I think you're right, but I think there's another dynamic that's really important to establish.
		It's that in a kind of culture war, let's say, that's the metaphor obviously, it's not a real war, but you need to have kind of arms parity.
		So you need to have kind of an equivalent kind of destructive power on both sides so that there's some kind of negotiated truce to recreate a kind of middle.
		Because right now You're wasting your time.
		Anyone, if you're arguing with your friend on Facebook about politics and they're at that point, there's actually not a point of dialogue that's possible.
		That's gone.
		You're wasting your time.
		They're wasting their time.
		You have to understand when dialogue is possible, when it's not.
		But when you have two political movements or political cultures that can come to some kind of truce or some kind of parity or some kind of sense of, well, I'm not going to go on the attack right now because I'll get it just as bad.
		Then you create the possibility of a kind of a battlefield turns into some common ground.
		And I think that's important.
		And frankly, the progressives are still much stronger on this stuff.
		And the conservatives find themselves, oh, you know, where are my tax cuts?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think you're right about there not being dialogue, but there's certainly ways to de-radicalize people who are this entrenched.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Unfortunately, it just requires a level of Manipulation and deception, most people don't have the skill to actually perform or wouldn't want to due to, I don't know, perhaps scruples or something.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like Daryl Davis?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, Daryl Davis was unable.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, are you familiar with Daryl Davis?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I don't, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Daryl Davis is one of the coolest guys ever.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		So cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He is a jazz musician and I think, is it blues or jazz?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I think it's blues.
unidentified		Blues.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Geez, I think they're the same kind of music.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Maybe I'm crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Blues and jazz.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't know why.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think he's a blues musician and he's a middle-aged black man.
		He said one day, I don't want to ruin his story, but he saw a story about the Klan and he thought, how can these guys hate me if they've never met me?
		And so he went to a Klan rally and talked to these guys and actually ended up hanging out.
		One of his best stories, because I did a speaking event, he was the headliner.
		He said there was one guy who was in the Klan and, you know, Daryl's a musician.
		He's got friends, he's got connections.
		Turns out this Klan guy was a big rock and roll fan.
		So he said, there's like this famous car from this famous rock star.
		He's like, oh yeah, I know who's got it.
		I can get you in it.
		You can sit down.
		And this guy was like, What?
		And then he was like, he brings this Klan guy out to this museum or whatever to see this famous, you know, hot rod or whatever.
		And the Klan guy hugs him.
		And this guy, like, that was it.
		As soon as he realized, you know, everything he was being taught wasn't true.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		He said that there was... I'm gonna ask you, does Daryl Davis come from a faith background?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		That's a good question.
		There was one guy he said that he would hang out with him and the guy was still very much in the Klan until one day he was at a rally and they were saying things and he went, that doesn't describe Daryl.
		And then he was just like, this doesn't make sense.
		But here's the best part.
		We put on a speaking event near my house in the Philadelphia area, a few miles from it.
		And Antifa from way further out.
		Told the press we won't allow them to come to our neighborhood, and I was like, it's my neighborhood!
		I live here!
		Threatened to burn the theater down.
		So the theater kicks us out, but we still had an event planned across the street for the after party, and we refused.
		Like, if we can go, we're gonna go.
		And I was like, I'll tell you what, if we get banned from both venues, I will march down that street.
		But the bar across the street was like, dude, we're not backing down.
		Like, this is ridiculous.
		Like, Daryl's awesome.
		Why would they try and get this guy banned?
unidentified		He's literally converting Klansmen.
unidentified		But wait, you ready for this?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We have the after party, and protesters showed up.
		Local police had to seal off the street and escort us in.
		We go inside, and Daryl's there, and I meet him, I'm like, you know, or I met him at the event, but I was like, good to see you, glad you came.
		And, you know, he asked me about the protesters.
		He goes out to talk to the protesters as a black man, and do you know what they called him?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I don't, I really, I want to know, but I don't want to know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Tell me.
unidentified		You know, four letter word starts with the, starts with N. What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Called him a Nazi.
		And he made a post on Facebook about it, explaining how he's been able to meet with and talk with Klan members and white supremacists and de-radicalize over 200 just by trying to understand them and talk to them.
		And that when he approached these people, they just started yelling and calling him Nazi and white supremacist.
		And he was shocked.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Dude, this troubles me.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		It's like most people have really not walked the walk, right?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		This guy, de-radicalizing 200 Klansmen, has probably done more to fight actual white supremacy than anyone in the country.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It wasn't just a bunch of random morons being like, dude, you're a Nazi.
		A lot of them were.
		But some of them know who he is.
		They knew who he was.
		And they said, you were friends with Nazis.
		You're a Nazi.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Oh, okay.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		The association.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
		So there were, I think, a couple of the higher-profile activists who were organizing it.
		They were like, we know you, Daryl.
		We know you hang out with Nazis.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I still think his method is good in that if you try and interact with them on the street, they're going to come at you with the mob mentality.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But if you get them one-on-one, it's a little easier to do Daryl's method, his methodology.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Not Daryl.
		So the tactics and techniques of this are not just in the ideology and the literature.
		It's also in the activist organizing, which is, don't allow your activists to speak to anyone.
		And I'm not exaggerating.
		This is a tried and true leftist tactic they use at almost all of their protests.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		It's a programming technique.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		For sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		During Occupy Wall Street, they would actually tell everyone.
		They would say, okay everyone, we're gonna, you know, do a march.
		If anyone tries talking to you, just chant them down.
		Don't let them speak.
		They're gonna lie.
		I was in San Bernardino for a protest.
		It was a bunch of Trump people were like waving flags, so Antifa shows up.
		I walk across the street and there was a group of people wearing all black and black block.
		And I was like, I was like, hey, how's it going?
		Like, anybody want to tell me just like what's going on?
		I'm just... And then all of a sudden a woman goes, don't talk to him!
		Mic check!
		And they all start chanting mic check.
		It's a thing they do.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		They're actually barking at people now.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Have you seen these videos on Twitter?
unidentified		Literally?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Literally barking like dogs, like a group of people.
		It's like...
		The goal is... It's so strange.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They have a thing that's been around for a while.
		It's called mic check.
		The people's mic.
		Are you familiar with it?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I'm not, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So one person yells mic check, and then everyone else in the crowd yells mic check back.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Okay.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They say the technique was developed to make it so that if you can't use amplification, by having everyone repeat the words, everyone can hear.
		It's actually a programming technique.
		So we talked about this the other day with Jack Murphy.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I had coffee with Jack.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So Jack mentioned that when they force you to say something, it's rewiring your brain to try and get you to say it, right?
		It's part of the struggle sessions.
		The people's mic is literally that.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude, they did it at Occupy Wall Street and then so I went up to speak and I was like, nah.
		I just screamed at everyone in the crowd as loud as I could.
		No mic check.
		It's overrode the system.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So the idea is if you say mic check and they say mic check and you say all cops and they
		go all cops are bad and they yell are bad, you're making them say it over and over again.
		All cops are bad.
		And so it's wiring their brain as they say it and they see it and they believe it.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I mean it's how you teach children.
		It's how you teach kindergartners the alphabet and the states and any kind of rote memorization that structures grammar in their brains, structures reading, literacy.
		I mean, it's the same principle applied to, unfortunately, grown adults.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let me ask you, man.
		You go on Tucker, you say all this stuff, Donald Trump, we're going to get it done.
		What do you think would happen if Hillary Clinton was president?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Well, I certainly wouldn't have been dumb enough to call on the president to abolish Critical Race Theory.
		But you'd still have to.
		No, because you don't want to make those kind of asks unless you think there's some chance of it happening.
		Otherwise, you're wasting your time, and I don't think it's appropriate.
		The posture at that time, when you're in the minority, is very different than when you have a friendly administration.
		People kind of upset at me about it and blah blah blah Trump.
		It's like, I didn't even vote for Trump in 2016.
		I voted third party.
		I wasn't into either major party candidate.
		But I will say now, and kind of in retrospect, maybe made the wrong decision, because frankly, not only would Hillary Clinton not have done this at all, but none of the other people in the Republican primary in 2016 would have done it either.
		Right.
		A President Jeb Bush would say, oof, racial issues?
		Get me out the door as far away from this stuff as possible.
		I'm going to hide under the table and suck on a pacifier.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, this is like, It would have been a funny presidency.
		Could you imagine a pathetic and weak inept Bush trying to start wars?
		Please go to war.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		And that's the other thing too, and honestly from my own perspective about the president, You know, that was a fear of mine.
		In the 2016 campaign, it's Donald Trump is reckless.
		He's the chaos candidate.
		They had all these beautiful linguistic instructions.
		The 3 a.m.
		phone call and all of these kind of ideas that were meant to sow doubt in your mind during the campaign.
		And it worked.
		And I was saying, oof, this guy, I don't know, no political experience, you know, fighting.
		And I mean, you know, You have a guy who you think would be waging war in the Middle East, if you'd listen, and he actually made peace in the Middle East.
		It's extraordinary.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		His first couple of years were not so good.
		John Bolton was a mistake, but things have been improving a lot since he kind of took the reins back.
		So, who do you think is going to win?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		You know, I was in the White House today and meeting with some folks and, you know, it's tense anticipation, right?
		Because their jobs are at stake.
		I mean, it's a unique employment environment where if your guy loses the election, everyone loses their job.
		But the spirits were actually pretty high.
		People were excited.
		People were making plans for next year.
		So I don't think so.
		And one person told me something very interesting.
		He said, You know, this would require a major kind of polling science error that we've never had before.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think so.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		But during the Brexit process, Brexit was down, and I may not get this exactly right, this is coming second hand, but Brexit was down four points in the polling and won by four points.
unidentified		Wow.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		That's an eight-point swing from what they're telling me.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, do you want Donald Trump to win?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I've got some good news for you.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You said it and nodded when you said it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was a Sullivan nod.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You're like, you want Donald Trump to win.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Say it with me.
		Mic check.
		Donald Trump must win.
		So, I've got some good news.
		I don't know what's going to happen, but I can tell you it's not so easy to say the polls are right.
		In an interview with Politico, Robert Kahaley of Trafalgar Group said in 2016, first of all, they got the numbers right.
		It was Trump 306 to Hillary 232.
		And they're saying Trump is going to win now.
		Helmut Norpoth is predicting Trump a 91% chance of winning with 362 electoral votes based on his primary tracking model, which has been correct 25 out of 27 times, more importantly.
		If the pollsters corrected their mistakes from 2016, then we should have seen improvement in the midterms.
		We didn't.
		In Florida, they were off by four points.
		They thought that DeSantis was going to lose.
		He didn't.
		They were wrong.
		The polls were wrong again.
		Nobody brings that up.
		I was reading it today and I said, whoa, that should have been a huge thing.
		And Trafalgar Group brings up something really interesting.
		The conditions that made it so people were scared to admit they'd vote for Trump are a hundred times worse today than they were in 2015 or 16.
		In 2016, the worst thing is that if you were voting for Trump, people would scowl at you.
		Today, they'll come to your house, they'll throw a brick at you, they'll mob you at a restaurant.
		Do you see what happened in New York with the Jews for Trump rally?
		This wasn't Antifa who did this, okay?
		Everybody says, oh, these Antifa and everything, and yes, there's problems with Antifa.
		Regular progressive New Yorkers started throwing rocks and eggs at cars, and one person, I think it was a woman, went up to one of the vehicles and pepper-sprayed children.
		The whole, the level of depravity from these people.
		So I tell you, man, we're seeing a lot of people actually come out and wave their flags and march around and say, Trump, Trump.
		I'll tell you this, I've had, I said, I just got some information from people I know back home in Chicago.
		Shockingly alerting me to the fact that someone we know has just voted straight Republican, Donald Trump and down to Republican for the first time in their lives, and they couldn't believe it.
		And I was like, no.
		Look, I've got people I know in my life where I'm like, wow, I can't believe it.
		They're voting Republican.
		My friends and family are all Chicago, deep blue Chicago.
		When I was like, I can't remember how old I was.
		My family told me we're going to the polls today.
		I said, who do I vote for?
		Just vote Democrat for everyone.
		Now I've got people hitting me up being like, dude, did you hear so-and-so?
		I swear, they came over and they're like, dude, we're voting Trump and everybody.
		And I'm like, these stories are real?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because I saw a story on, I think it was the Donald's own website, thedonald.win, it's their own website, where someone was like, Yeah.
		you know our our neighbors came over and told us that they for the first time
		were voting for trump republicans and they had been democrats and they were worried
		they said we were scared if we told them we're going for trump
		they would be like really mad at us and scowl at us yeah and they came and
		said we have to tell you like we're voting for trump and immediately the guys
		like i'm getting the MAGA hats
unidentified		out of the hidden place in the closet but i'll tell you a story like that
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		it shows you the fear the individual has to admit to his own neighbors he's
		gonna vote for trump and the text message i got i'll tell you what i what what
		what i've been told over and over over and over again by my friends
		back in chicago is dude you can't tell anybody dude i'll lose my job
		i'm not i'm you know it's really funny
		Whenever I tell these stories, I get all these leftists commenting on my Twitter being like, Tim's making up stories again.
		You don't want to believe it.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		They don't want to believe it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Look, Trump might lose, okay?
		But it is true that this stuff's happening.
		I got a friend I met during a Black Lives Matter protest in Ferguson.
		For years.
		2014 we met.
		She's posting Black Lives Matter, Orange Matter, you know, and then finally when Trump comes around, she's tweeting like, I can't believe this, what is wrong with this country.
		Now it's MAGA.
		It's like, I saw her Twitter feed and I was like, this is nuts.
		So I sent her a DM and I'm like, we met at a Black Lives Matter rally.
		How are you posting, like, Go Donald Trump Jr.
		Woohoo and MAGA 2020?
		And she was like, dude, I started actually watching the videos.
		I started actually reading what was going on.
		And I was like, that's it?
		The leftists desperately need to make sure that no one reads news outside of their echo chamber.
		And that's why you get the likes of Brian Stelter when he went on, he did this episode a year or so ago where he's like, don't go and watch Fox News.
		Don't watch The Spin.
		Only come to us.
		Or you get, I think it was Jake Tapper who was like, remember, you can't read WikiLeaks' emails.
		You can only, only we're allowed to have them.
		That's what they've been desperately trying to maintain.
		And then you had Micah Brzezinski and MSNBC say, it's our job to tell people what to think or whatever.
		Or control what people think.
		That's what they rely on.
		But if people do the research, then all of a sudden they're like, wait a minute.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Regarding culture war, like you were talking about earlier, I wanted to kind of ask you something about that.
		The reason I brought up Daryl Davis earlier was because I see that as a way to counter this critical race side of the combat.
		Do you have any ideas of how to combat that?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, you need to do two things.
		One is that you need to call out the ideology for what it is, you need to expose it, and you need to shut it down.
		So that's the kind of aggressive, kind of more offensive strategy.
		But that's not really enough, right?
		You also need to present an alternative model.
		And the reason I ask this, you come from a faith background, is because the most successful stuff that I've seen is a different kind of epistemological model, a different kind of theoretical model, a different personal model.
		It's a reconciliation model, and that comes from a religious background.
		And I think the distinction we were talking about earlier between the kind of Martin Luther King vision and the critical race theory Black Lives Matter vision is a deep and profound division.
		Because if you look at MLK, his work is amazing.
		I mean, he's a preacher, right?
		He's a Christian preacher.
		So he comes from a really deep spiritual background and the civil rights movement was
		largely driven in the black south by the black churches.
		Uh, so they're coming from a Christian perspective that we're all created equally under God.
		We're all kind of brothers in this, uh, all created in the image of God.
		The second thing, and this is something a lot of people don't know is that Martin
		Luther King was a deep student of American history and in a lot of ways,
		revered the founding fathers, uh, Jefferson, even a Lincoln, and you read his, uh,
		writing on this and it's it's it's actually Amazing, his essays.
		And he basically says we're collecting on the promise of America.
		And you can look even at Lincoln.
		Lincoln saw himself as doing the kind of... Jefferson created the inspiration but was tragically flawed, couldn't do it in his lifetime or even in his personal life.
		Lincoln saw himself as fulfilling that vision and then King saw himself as that kind of third step.
		The critical race theorists, it's based in kind of German Marxism and atheism, it's a completely different intellectual lineage that goes back hundreds of years.
		They're not compatible.
		And I think in my life that, you know, I spent, I spent five years directing a documentary for PBS about the poorest American cities and the reconciliation model.
		And in many ways, the faith-based model is one that works much better.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, what's really interesting is I had a similar conversation on one of our previous shows about the moral frameworks that we experience the world through.
		And I think whether people realize it or not, most of Americans experience the world through a Christian or Judeo-Christian moral framework, even if they're not religious.
		So, uh, the way I explain this, I was once, I'm chilling at my house, and I notice, I live in a dead-end street, it's like, on purpose.
		And then I see people walking down my block, knocking on every door, and I'm like, I wonder what they're selling or preaching.
		And then all of a sudden these two, like, you know, young teenage girls are knocking on my door.
		And they were preaching.
		They were there to spread the good word, and they had Bibles and stuff.
		I don't know exactly which denomination they were.
		They asked me if I had a minute to talk to them about Jesus Christ and all that, and I told them, I really respect and appreciate what you're doing.
		I myself am not, you know, I'm not one for, you know, this theistic religion, but I will tell you a few words of praise I have for your religion.
		Notably, the story of Sodom and Gomorrah.
		Specifically, I think it's Sodom and Gomorrah.
		I will not destroy the city if there is but one virtuous person.
		That moral framework is the root of the Fifth Amendment.
		Innocent until proven guilty and a right to a speedy trial.
		From that idea we had a really, really long time ago, rooted in these values, we then created Blackstone's formulation.
		Are you familiar with Blackstone's formulation?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I'm not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It is better that ten guilty persons escape than one innocent sufferer.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Great.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That protecting the innocent is more important than punishing the wicked.
		From that, we've created a system that has one of the best justice systems in human existence.
		I am not a Christian.
		A lot of people seem to think I'm an atheist for some reason.
		I don't know why that is.
		You're neither.
		No, I believe in God.
		I do.
		But I just don't believe in... I grew up Catholic, briefly.
		I don't believe in scripture and stuff like that.
		But I do believe in God.
		It would be a much longer moral and philosophical conversation I'd have with someone.
		But I'm not an atheist.
		I don't think agnostic is the right word.
		But I started to realize Morality for many people in this country, we understand these values.
		Like, if you ask the average person who's an atheist if they know what sin is, they will say, of course, in a religious context.
		But if you go to, say, you know, China and ask them, they're gonna be like, I don't know what you mean.
		Unless they've actually studied, you know, Western religion, they have a completely different religious structure, a different moral framework for how they view the world.
		Critical race theory, the woke, all that stuff, doesn't exist within the same moral framework.
		So like you said, it's a totally different line of thinking compared to the rest of us.
		I wonder if that is the real split.
		That even though I'm not religious at all, It's really interesting to see, you know, the old liberal arguments back in the day about religion versus, you know, Christianity, saying that, you know, I'd hear Christians say, without religion, then why don't you just go and commit X crime or whatever?
		And then the liberals would say, like, you need religion to stop you from committing crimes?
		Whoa!
		Not realizing the only reason they feel that way is because they were raised on moral values that were rooted in the Bible.
		So the way I always explain it is we want to keep the good and get rid of the bad.
		And so when you look back at the history, I remember reading about the Fifth Amendment and why we have a right to a speedy trial, why we have a right to remain silent, why we're innocent until proven guilty, the presumption of innocence.
		And then you start going down the rabbit hole.
		Then it's like, well, the earlier ideas of Blackstone's formulation, actually Benjamin Franklin said it's better than 100 guilty persons escape.
		And then I go back even further and then I read Blackstone's formulation was actually from the Bible.
		It was the story that God would not destroy the city if there was but one righteous person because you could not hurt that innocent.
		And it's interesting because then this is in line with deontological philosophy.
		An immoral act against one is an immoral act you can't commit versus utilitarianism, which I think now we start getting into the philosophical conversation of critical race theorists seem to be utilitarian.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Oof, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Kill a hundred people to save a thousand, whereas the rest of us are more deontological.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Kill a hundred people to save one good person.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's the trolley problem on steroids.
		For most of us, you're familiar with the trolley problem, I'd imagine.
		For those that aren't familiar, the idea is You've got a train coming, and it splits into two tracks where there's five people and one person, and it's gonna kill five people unless you pull the lever.
		But if you do, you'll kill that one person.
		Do you do it?
		And that's showing you the difference between deontology versus utilitarianism, which is, will you act that will kill one person?
		It could save people.
		And then the utilitarian is, kill the one person, save the five.
		And it's kind of a, you know, the trolley problem.
		There's a bunch of other really interesting ones.
		I really like that meme where it's like, it's one track and there's a hundred people.
		And it's like, you can stop the train at any time, but it would cut corporate profits.
		You know, anyway, I digress.
		I think that we might be seeing that route where we really have utilitarians.
		They don't care about you.
		They don't care about your life.
		They don't care about if you suffer.
		They care about the collective.
		So, maximizing what they view as good, and then the scary thing is, who is actually in control of what is good and what is bad, you know?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of times we get in trouble because people say, well, it's just racial sensitivity training, or, well, it's just that, you know, it's important to look at human life and society through the lens of race.
		These very naive and kind of very nice sounding, very simple formulations.
		I mean, that's true, but If you look at the actual beliefs, and the papers, and the books, and all the studies from the Critical Race Theorists, I mean, they're very clear in what they believe.
		And they basically say the system of individual rights, the system of private property, the system of equality under the law, the system of non-discrimination, all of those things are used to justify collective inequalities.
		And we need to basically get rid of those things, the Constitution that you're talking about, the justice system that you're talking about, all of those complex moral questions that we've been answering for thousands of years.
		And they basically say, we have the new answer.
		And the amazing thing is that it always comes back to a kind of very utilitarian, very economic formulation.
		It's always redistribution of wealth and property.
		They can't get out of that. And you read the papers, you're like, okay, think it
		through the lens of race. All right, great. You know, whiteness as property. All right.
		That's kind of strange. But then the end of it is like the only solution is to
		get rid of the Constitution and redistribute a kind of wealth along
		these lines. But so I think that the race theorist is quite interesting because at
		the end of the day, underneath the critical race theory is critical theory
		is Marxism.
		And a lot of people will beat up on you about that and say, that's not true, you just think everything's Marxism.
		But the dichotomy, the kind of dynamic that they describe is oppressor and oppressed.
		It used to be the bourgeois and the proletariat.
		America has a large middle class.
		We have amazing technology.
		We have happy citizens for the most part, very affluent, very progressive in the mindset of technology and wealth.
		They said, oh, that's not going to ever work.
		We can never have kind of the proletariat revolution overthrow the bourgeoisie.
		We need to rethink about this.
		And then they said, let's graft identity politics onto that Marxist dichotomy of oppressed and oppressed.
		Instead of bourgeoisie and proletariat, we have black and white or black people of color.
		Because race is two things.
		One, it's malleable.
		It's abstract.
		You can make it into anything that you want.
		And two, it's extremely emotional.
		It has a just raw emotional power.
		And they're saying we can harness that power much more than class-based interests.
		And that's where we are today.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I like asking people?
		I usually don't go beyond this because I just like to see what their reaction is.
		I have friends who are very woke.
		And I usually, you know, I have a lot of friends from back home.
		And when they're preaching all this woke stuff, I'll message them and say, I have a question, if you don't mind.
		Do you agree with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.' 's dream?
		And they always say, of course.
		And then I say, so do you believe we should judge people on the content of their character and not the color of their skin?
		And then their mind breaks.
		Why would they say no to that?
		Because they just started posting a tirade on Facebook about how white is bad or whiteness is property and white privilege.
		And then my response to that is, do you agree with Dr. King?
		Well, of course you're supposed to.
		It's acceptable.
		So the reason I bring this up is it's not about your ideology.
		It's about how people are basically saying whatever they think is socially acceptable.
		However, it is socially unacceptable to say you disagree with Dr. King.
		But you can't agree with him and critical race theory at the same time.
		It's not possible.
		Right now, they have created this amazing system where you actually have two jigsaw pieces that don't fit together, smashed together, and then wrapped in duct tape to make it work because they simultaneously hold two ideas in their head.
		And it's amazing that they can actually be posting about how they want to judge people, everyone on the color of their skin, while agreeing with Dr. King they shouldn't do it.
		Because it is both socially unacceptable for you to reject either of these ideas.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You can judge people on their genetics.
		Genetics are a code that read a certain amount of information.
		So if you want to acknowledge that information, it's defined as that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean, judge them on that?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Just say it is X, Y, Z. It is a one on this scale, a two on this scale.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But judge them?
unidentified		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		By putting it on a graph.
		If you want to say, this DNA reads G... I don't know what the DNA... I'm not much into molecular science, but... If you want to list their gene code... But what do you mean by judge them?
		By judge it, you would be listing their gene code on a piece of paper.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You don't mean judge them.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's a form of judgment.
		Writing something down on a piece of paper is a form of judging an idea.
		It's a form of judgment.
		You've decided this is what it is.
		And you could do that about every race and every genetic code of every human.
		So...
		We're different.
		We're all genetically different.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's not what they mean by judging someone based on their race.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Unfortunately, I think they take a more superficial thing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And it's like, if I see a color, then I associate it with this.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like they're judging based on the color, the skin color, as opposed to just making acknowledgements about what the genetics are.
		Yeah, our genetics are different.
		It's good.
		You know, variety is the soul of the future.
		It's what we, you know, it makes our immune system stronger.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's actually offensive, too.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		To them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You can't talk about that.
		Race is a social construct.
		I mean, there's interesting points we made about the idea of it being a social construct.
		Because we talked about this the other day with this leftist guy.
		And ideas like, if you have, say, an albino black person, that person still probably, or may, identify as black.
		And many people still might look at them and say they're black.
		But then you can have actual people like Rachel Dolezal who are literally white but change their hair and then people just believe they're black.
		So there are, you know, weird social constructs and assumptions being made about race or whatever.
		But I think that actually, in my opinion, disproves critical race theory.
		The fact that a white person, and there's many of them, are currently pretending to be black shows that their ideas about oppression and oppressed aren't true because they're actively trying to be oppressed.
		Now why would that make sense?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		No, you're right, but it's a bit more complicated than that.
		There's a more subtle distinction to be made.
		We are in a kind of social, this really bizarre, bifurcated social environment where if you are in corporate, if you're in academia, especially academia, if you're in a kind of high education, high status, high prestige occupation, being a person of color is a tremendous advantage.
		You talk to any hiring manager, this is just a kind of truism.
		It is what it is.
		But there's another distinction though.
		So, you know, kind of people in academia, you have all these kind of white women pretending to be Latina or black to advance their academic careers.
		These are like kind of like low-tier kind of garbage academics.
		But they say, this is my ticket to get that great job.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or Elizabeth Warren.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		And you see the job listings.
		A friend of mine is a college professor and he said, look at these job listings.
		And it's like, You have to acknowledge the land, you have to be anti-colonial, you have to be this and that, and it's like, you know, to be a professor of anything.
		So there's status and kind of advantage there.
		But if you look at people in the lowest economic bracket, the bottom 20%, the bottom quintile,
		it still is, unfortunately, there still is a racial dynamic, a class dynamic, especially now a class dynamic,
		where that's not true.
		So, and unfortunately, honestly, the thing that really irks me about critical race theory,
		the thing that to me is like the true moral crime of critical race theory.
		What it does, it enhances and solidifies the social status of woke elites of any race,
		but it's an ideology that is deeply destructive to actual poor people of all races.
		It does nothing to raise up people in the poor communities in white Youngstown, Ohio and black South Memphis and Latino Stockton.
		It's a bespoke elite ideology that is self-serving and actually destroys the very foundations of life for poor people in the United States.
		The two-parent family, the faith community, the habits of work and workforce participation.
		It wants to obliterate all those things under the illusion that it's oppressive.
		While at the same time, the elites who preach this stuff, they don't believe it.
		Because look, they're working very hard.
		They have two-parent households.
		They're doing all the things that they condemn in their rhetoric.
		And to me, it's not only hypocrisy, but it's deeply destructive to people, again, of all races, at the bottom.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you know that Gen Z is the first generation in like a hundred years to actually tick the other direction in terms of conservative or liberal?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, of course they are.
		That's not a surprise at all.
		I mean, you look at the kind of wreckage that started with the baby boomers and has kind of now echoing down, they say, I don't want to do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But it's not ideological.
		So the Pew research shows that Gen Z is about as progressive as millennials, but slightly more conservative in some areas.
		So, when you'll see these stories, and it's funny, I think the way Pew framed it was, Gen Z is just as progressive as millennials or whatever.
		And then you look and it's like, they are, they are, they are.
		Oh, a little bit more conservative.
		Oh, a little bit more conservative.
		That's interesting.
		I think that's the framing you should go with, that there's something that happened that's very different.
		It used to be every generation was way more progressive, way more progressive, and now it's stagnant and slightly receding.
		And so I remember when I saw this research and I was like, I wonder what's causing Gen Z to start rejecting these ideas.
		There's nothing.
		You want to know why Gen Z is slightly more conservative?
		In the late 90s and early 2000s, several researchers were talking about birth rates between ideologies and found that liberal couples were having 1.7 kids on average versus conservatives 2.01.
		Which meant that in 20 years, you would have a generation that was slightly more conservative than the last because liberals are less likely to have kids, and now more likely to, say, get an abortion.
		This resulted in the Gen Z being slightly more conservative simply because there are more of them.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I wonder what the correlation, though, is on political ideology between parents and children.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		It's strong enough to make a difference, is what you're suggesting.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think it's progressive to be a Republican right now.
unidentified		I mean, it's progressive to vote for Trump anyway.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The general idea is to look at it from a very simple point of view, that if conservatives have more kids, they'll have kids with more conservative values.
		Though the kids are pretty woke, compared to millennials, they're pretty comparable, so they're less conservative than their parents.
		There's more kids who have somewhat conservative values.
		You know, it's a generational anomaly.
		Now we can take a look at some of the more, I guess, the changes that have been occurring.
		I mean, when I was growing up, the Democratic Party, when talking about pro-life versus pro-choice, it was safe, legal, but rare.
		Now it's Michelle Wolf on Netflix going, you get an abortion and you get an abortion!
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		The selfie videos, have you seen those?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Whoa, no!
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, there's like women, there's like a trend on social media a while back where, you know, immediately after having an abortion procedure, people would, you know, take selfie videos and celebrate it like it, you know, like they just won the Olympics or something.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		It's like, now it's really kind of, you know, even I kind of grew up in California, I was pro-choice by default, and then you kind of watch this stuff and you say, this is Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Did you see Lena Dunham said she wished she had an abortion?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Does she have children?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Can you pull that up for me?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I'm pretty sure it was her.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to make sure we get the source on this one.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Oh, she wished she had one so she could be part of the club?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She wished she had had an abortion.
		She doesn't have any kids.
		Could you say that about your kid?
		I had a kid, but I wish I aborted.
		No, no, no.
		She was straight up saying she wished at some point.
		So not to get too much into that, but the point I'm making is we recently had Joe Biden say that there should be no discrimination if an eight-year-old chooses to be transgender.
		There's an interesting thing there in the way he said, chooses, because I didn't realize that was a choice.
		And there's something interesting about what is going to be happening to future generations.
		And I'm not saying this to disparage anybody.
		I'm just saying, based on scientific fact, that there are going to be people who are having substantially more abortions.
		There are a wave of millennials who are getting vasectomies or sterilization, you know, tube ties or whatever.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		And there are millennials, like people that are There are two types, before marriage or before kids.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I know someone who cauterized her fallopian tubes or whatever, and she's like in her late 20s, cauterized, saying, irreversible, destroy it.
		So what's going to happen based on that previous trend, like what happens to the next generation?
		Substantially more conservative?
		Dude, I got it.
		2016, December 20th, Lena Dunham wishes she had an abortion.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Disgusting.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think celebrating necessary evils is not the way to go with evil.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I would say so.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that seems fair.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's a social status kind of symbol, right?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		That's so rare.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She said, quote, now I can say that I still haven't had an abortion, but I wish I had.
		What kind of psychotic depravity is this?
		Even if your argument is... So this is pro-abortion.
		I always tell people, I'm like, there's no... The argument right now isn't pro-choice versus pro-life.
		The pro-choicers are aligning with the pro-lifers reluctantly because it's pro-abortion versus pro-life.
		This was 2016 she said this.
		And you had that Michelle Wolf special on Netflix where she's yelling, you know, Right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		No one's pro-abortion.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		People are pro-choice.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You're not supposed to be pro-abortion.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's ridiculous.
unidentified		Oh, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's supposed to be that way, but clearly it's not the case.
		I'm not trying to get into this big pro-life pro, you know, pro-choice thing.
		I'm just pointing out the left has gone insane.
		It's not just critical race theory.
		It's something.
		I don't know what, but it's going to be, it's going to have a profound
		impact on future generations.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Tell me if this makes sense.
		So critical race theorists would say like, you want people to be a mixed race
		couple because it promotes, you know, uh, no, no, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How dare you?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You think that progression...
unidentified		Fetishizing?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		The Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett adopted two children from Haiti.
		Children that were, one of them was severely disabled.
		I mean, if you're an orphanage in Haiti, which is the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere, you're in a bad place.
		And she adopted them, raised them, giving them tons of opportunity.
		Um, and the critical race theory kind of guru of the day, who's kind of a big Ibram said, you know, this is kind of the mark of a white colonizer oppressing black children as kind of this, you know, and it's like, I mean, you can say, and you can say, hey, look, there's a perfectly reasonable argument to be made.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, kind of, I guess, he said something about taming the savage, like some totally brutal way out of there.
unidentified		Yeah.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		And it's like an interracial marriage is again, kind of like a bomb thrown into their narrative because it's very complex.
		So I, out of all the dumb stories that are around there, I broke a story about the King County Washington Library holding racially segregated training programs.
		And someone leaked to me these amazing photos of signs on two doors, opposite doors.
		One said, uh, training for people of color, training for people who are white, you know?
		And then it's like interracial couples, like, you know, like, like my kids, my kids are mixed race, biracial, like, Dad, where do I go?
		You know?
		Am I a person of color?
		Am I a white person?
		My wife and I, are we going to go in separate rooms to be trained to kind of deconstruct ourselves and learn how to kind of, you know, despise each other for these hidden essences that are more important than even a marriage?
		I think that there's two things that critical race theorists drive them crazy.
		One is interracial marriage, and I think interracial marriage is a sign of progress, frankly.
unidentified		Of course!
unidentified		Heck yeah!
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I think it's beautiful.
		I think it's amazing.
		Scientifically, consciously.
		I mean, whoever you love, go for it, you know?
		But I think also America is going to look very different in a hundred years.
		You're not going to be able to tell.
		You're black, you're white, you're Hispanic, you're Puerto Rican, whatever.
		It's going to be very complex, and I think ultimately that's going to be good.
		I mean, I'm Italian.
		My father's an immigrant from Italy.
unidentified		Oh, cool.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Italian people weren't considered white.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Right.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		For a long time.
		I think the same thing will happen.
		It'll be a process of evolution as people kind of adapt, accommodate, and intermarry.
		But they don't like that, and they also really hate Asian Americans.
unidentified		Oh yeah!
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		The hatred towards Asian Americans is so extreme because Asian Americans, who are people of color, have the highest rates of college education.
		They have the highest incomes.
		They have the highest test scores.
		So in a society that is supposedly white supremacist, when you look at the income tables by ethnicity, Indian Americans are at the very top.
		They have 70% college degrees.
		Indian Americans, Filipinos, Koreans, Taiwanese, all of these groups.
		And then, you know, white Americans are somewhere in the middle.
		And it's like, it destroys the narrative.
		And I call Asian Americans the inconvenient minority.
		Because they just can't deal with it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They've tried to find a way.
		I was in Seattle at the University of Washington.
		There was like a Proud Boy event happening a couple years ago.
		And there was a guy who was arguing with people.
		I started talking to him.
		I explained that you know, he started saying all this critical grace theory stuff. I you know said that's not
		cool Here's why and then it's always funny when their opinions
		change once they realize like for me I'm part Asian and so what the guy said to me was amazing
		that White supremacists have long tried to mix with Asians
		That's why they had World War two and the Japanese were on the side of the Germans
		Well, and I started laughing and I was like, are you insane?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		What does that even mean?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He tried basically saying the justification for why Asians are
		You know bad or whatever is you look at World War two in the Germans and then of course
		There was this whole period where the left tried explaining why it was that there were
		right-wing people who had Asian wives, and they said it's because the Nazis in Japan and
		the white supremacists want demure, timid, traditional wives or whatever.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I mean, you said you're Korean. I know a lot of Korean mothers. They are not demure or timid.
		They're intense, dude. Yeah, they're crazy. They are anything but. It's like,
		where did this stereotype come from? It's completely ridiculous.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's an attempt to lie, to make up this ridiculous narrative to justify why they're wrong.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		I'll tell you a cool story that happened and something that I thought was really inspirational to me.
		In Washington State, where I live, there was a ban on race-based college admissions.
		You have to admit people based on their test scores and their accomplishments.
		You can't look at race and admissions.
		Consequently, and if you look at the social science data, it's I think highly correlated with the number of hours per week that they're studying, Asian Americans do really well.
		They get college admissions at the highest public universities in Washington state.
		They dominate.
		That's just a fact.
		It is what it is.
		And the progressives, I guess now a year ago, two years ago, I can't quite remember, they said, we're going to get rid of that.
		And we're going to reinstate race-based admissions.
		And again, Washington state has a high Asian American population.
		These are people who had never been involved in politics.
		You know, we come from, you know, in large cases, these are Chinese Americans.
		They said, we come from a place where politics is dangerous.
		They'll get you killed.
		So we are, we're just here to focus on our families, focus on education, focus on working hard, focus on businesses.
		And I got involved with these people in this campaign to stop this.
		And, and you know what, what happened was really a remarkable testament to American democracy.
		These first generation Asian American immigrants.
		Literally, noodle shop owners, computer people, you know, kind of someone that said that they were, you know, transporting frozen meat.
		I mean, like, people who work hard.
		They came together.
		They had some people kind of advise them.
		They put together a campaign to collect signatures to get this thing out of there.
		Because they said, hey, wait a minute.
		We come from this country.
		We come to this country.
		We work hard.
		We send our kids to college.
		That's how it works.
		This is the American dream.
		And these folks are trying to take us away from it to help minorities?
unidentified		What?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		That doesn't make sense.
		And they laughed at them.
		The legislators literally mocked them in public.
unidentified		Wow.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		You, you know, noodle shop owners will never put this thing together.
unidentified		Ha ha ha.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		We have power.
		This is a blue state.
		We're going to dominate.
unidentified		Wow.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		The noodle shop owners.
unidentified		Oh boy.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		They went crazy.
		They organized.
		They hustled.
		They got donations.
		They got small donors.
		The corporations all donated against them.
unidentified		Wow.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		The people called them white supremacists, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		You know, these Asian white supremacists, noodle shop owners.
		And they won by two points.
		Wow.
		The first time in Washington state history that a ethnic minority group ran a ballot measure and won.
		And hats off to them.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So my mom has a YouTube channel.
		She actually has around 60,000 subscribers.
		Yeah.
		And she's Korean.
		Let me ask you, what kind of content do you think she makes?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I don't know, man.
unidentified		At risk of food.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Like cooking.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no, no, no, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That would have been a good one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		More stereotypical for an Asian mother.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Math videos.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		My mom makes math tutorial videos.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Really?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And she's got like 60,000 subscribers.
		And I love this story because I think it's funny and it shows that my family, I mean as far as I knew, we were progressive, right?
		I remember I was hanging out with some conservatives and it was at a time when YouTube was demonetizing everybody and like it was the adpocalypse.
		And I had people tell me they're targeting conservatives, you know, specifically to shut down our politics.
		And I said, I don't know, like, you know, my mom makes math videos and she's getting demonetized.
		And then one friend went, why am I not surprised your Korean mother makes math videos?
		But wait, we all started laughing.
		I immediately texted my mom and she started laughing too.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because we're sane, mature adults and we understand why it's funny.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Sense of humor.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		It's so funny.
		I'll tell you a funny story in my own experience.
		So like my oldest son is a fourth grader.
		Extraordinary in math.
		Top 1% math student.
		And the pandemic shut down all the schools.
		So we said, oof, my wife and I both work full-time.
		We're like, what are we going to do?
		We got to get him, you know, keeping up with his schoolwork.
		So we have our neighbor across the street, the son of a Korean immigrant family.
		And he said, hey, you want to tutor our oldest son six hours a week?
		Come in, you know, two hours, three days a week.
		He said, yeah, yeah, yeah.
		Just thinking, I don't know, you know, he's Korean, he's good at math, he's a high school student, he could do fourth grade math, you know, like a stereotype.
		Turned out the stereotype was exactly true.
		He's like, you know, I said, hey man, you know, you know, you're going, you're going to the University of Washington next year to study math.
		Oh wow, that's amazing.
		He's like, Yeah, I was doing calculus in sixth grade.
		And then all of a sudden, my son is getting just a short amount of time every week, jumps two grades in math.
unidentified		Wow.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Oh my gosh.
unidentified		And you're like, what have they been teaching him in school?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's anything to do with race.
		I think it's that before I... So I've been pretty good at math most of my life.
		And it's because before I even started in kindergarten, my mom was tutoring me and my brother, my sister, and she was teaching us math and reading.
		So when I started in kindergarten, I knew multiplication and division and all this stuff.
		The other kids had no idea.
		They barely knew addition or subtraction.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		My wife takes the kids to Kumon math tutoring when they're like two years old.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Because they know.
		And if you look at that social science data, it's really interesting.
		It's, you know, grades and achievement are highly correlated with the number of hours studying on average per week.
		And, I mean, it's really hard to argue against it.
		But the critical race theorists, again, they argue against meritocracy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		They have, I mean, long papers about how meritocracy is a system of kind of embedded white supremacy, eugenics, classism, etc., whatever ridiculous arguments they make.
		Because, you know, they really, truly hate the idea that things should be apportioned based on merit.
		And in a certain sense, yeah, people start further behind in a lot of ways.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's why I kind of feel like it's, and I'm not saying this literally, I'm saying it figuratively, it's a weapon, the idea.
		You look at what happened to Zimbabwe and the farmers, right?
		You know about that, they took the land away from the farmers.
		It happens to all of these different countries when they go communist.
		You've got a farmer who knows how to farm.
		He hires people for specific tasks he needs help with.
		They don't know how to run a farm.
		Then the, you know, Marxists or Communists or Socialists, whatever, come in and say, take the land from the rich landowners!
unidentified		Woo!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Drive them out!
		Now, you, farmers, you own the means of production.
		And then they all fail, the crop spoils, and then they all starve.
		And it's happened over and over again.
		In what capacity do these people think that giving the means of production to the people who are working one particular machine can make the whole system work properly?
		You know what I mean?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I do, and I've been increasingly thinking that it's not really about justice.
		I don't think they're actually going for some sort of endpoint.
		It's not very well articulated.
		It doesn't stand up to historical scrutiny.
		I think the destruction is the point.
		There's vengeance, there's anger, there's rage.
		Look at Andy Ngo on Twitter.
		He loves posting the montage of mugshots from Portland, right?
		I mean, these are not the faces of happy people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they're all white.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		And they're all white.
		And in a sense, you know, at one point, ha ha ha, look at these deranged and insane people.
		But then you really think about it, and you're like, What pain is this person in?
		And then this is the solution to that pain.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's the class system that's messing people up bad right now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What do you mean?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		People are coming from poverty, the economy's shut down, they have no hope for the future fiscally, rent's going up, and they're losing, they're blowing their lid, and then they're turning to these weird theories that are getting masked by racism, but it's actually about classism, like people are coming from a lack of education because they weren't born into money.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're looking for answers.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's true.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm agreeing with you that you have these people who had everything destroyed, and they're looking for answers as to why that is, because they don't know, and people offer them up critical race theory.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I think there's an element to what you're saying that's true, but I think the general profile of the kind of Black Lives Matter protester, rioter, Antifa agitator, is not from a lower class background or a working class background.
		These are people who are sons and daughters of the wealthy that I think have underperformed economically, underperformed socially, and then latch onto this ideology.
		I just made a feature film in America's poorest cities that broadcasts on PBS on Tuesday.
		And I spent five years in a public housing project in Memphis, in the poorest neighborhood in Youngstown, Ohio, in a Latino and multiracial, one of the most violent neighborhoods in Stockton, California.
		They're not talking about any of this stuff.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they don't know that this is what the problem is.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		It's not important to them.
		No, I mean, they know the economic problems.
		They feel it.
		But they don't think critical race theory is the solution.
		They don't think any of these kind of extreme and kind of abstract ideologies are the solution.
		They said, I really got to get my family together.
		I really got to get my car working.
		I really got to get a job and have a criminal record.
		And I really have to find some meaning or fulfillment.
		in my community.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You get these people that go out that have money that are like bought into this critical
		race, this class system, and they want to bring it down, even though they're not necessarily
		the worst off.
		They see it and they think that that's what's causing these people pain.
		And so they want to like virtue signal.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		And this is always the case.
		The Russian revolution, the communist revolutions in the 20th century, they had this idea that it would be a revolution of the proletariat.
		And even Marx admits this in his work.
		He said, oh, this is going to be a proletarian revolution.
		The lower class is going to come and overthrow the landowners and the owners of capital and the factory capitalists.
		And then they realize, oh man, the proletariat is not interested in revolution.
		They're interested in stability.
		They're interested in family.
		They're interested in faith.
		They're interested in culture.
		They're interested in the land.
		They're interested in normalcy.
		So what they created then is a concept called the vanguard of the proletariat.
		We are the intellectuals that are going to use the kind of perceived pain of the proletariat to start the revolution.
		And then once we do, they'll be right behind us.
		Storming the barricades.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This is Antifa, Black Lives Matter out there.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		This is the vanguard.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		This is the Bolsheviks.
		Yeah, of course.
		This is the kind of radical politics for the last 150 years.
		It always follows this pattern.
		They had that girl in New York, right?
		She was tossing Molotov cocktails.
		She was a lawyer.
		She had a $2 million pad.
		Some obscene thing.
		She had a two million dollar pad somewhere. I mean like some of obscene and now she's going to prison forever
		Mm-hmm I mean, she's on federal charges, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah, yeah.
		Federal and state.
		Come on, you can't throw a Molotov at a cop and get away with it.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		You can't do that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She got arrested.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		She's on camera.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		They had a kid in Seattle, ran up, and you can see the video is excruciating.
		He ran up behind a cop during a protest.
		The cop's looking this way.
		Ran up behind him and smashed him in the back of the head as hard as he could with a baseball bat.
		The cop was wearing a helmet, was fine.
		But it's like, and this kid was the son of a former state legislator.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And you know what the problem is?
		The critical race theorists and leftists start getting elected to office.
		And now the district attorneys are cutting these people loose.
		Not all of them.
		That guy with the baseball bat, he's gonna get locked up.
		But only because federal prosecutors are stepping in.
		So in Philadelphia, we just had these riots.
		I love this.
		The feds have come in.
		Federal attorneys are charging people saying, federal crime, federal time.
		And so Huffington Post has some journalists who are saying how convenient for Trump that his federal attorneys are announcing arrests and riots just days before an election.
		And I'm like, yeah, yeah, okay, what does that have to do with Trump?
		Like Trump was like, hey everybody, go riot, help me get elected.
		No, if it wasn't for the federal prosecutors stopping these people, then the riots wouldn't be stopping.
		And then we had a night of peace in Philadelphia.
		National Guard's still out there too.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, well you see, oh man, I'm gonna do 15 years.
		Maybe not.
		It's true.
		You can't appease these folks.
		You have to maintain law and order in big cities.
		The thing that's really scary is that this happened already before.
		The cities were the thriving places earlier in the last century.
		In the 1960s we had riots that were very strong and very destructive and it kind of led then to the flight to the suburbs and these cities getting gutted.
		So you can still see it today in like Detroit.
		You know Detroit was the richest city in the world in 1950 and today it's coming back a little bit but you know 10 years ago it was a disaster zone.
		So things can change very quickly and I think we're playing with fire when we enable this kind of rioting and destruction.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's why I'll tell you I'm worried about Joe Biden.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Tell me.
		I'm worried about him too.
		I'm worried about him in many ways.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He wants to raise the corporate tax.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But he's also, in his previous administration, was pro-international free trade agreements, notably the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
		What do you think happens when you announce, we're going to have free trade between nations and also raise your taxes in the United States if you run your business here?
		Then all the factories immediately leave because they know they can import their products for free, and they'll pay cheaper taxes.
		What that does is it means American working class people will pay an overpriced amount of money for a sneaker, and a majority of that money goes to profits to the upper class, to the wealthy elites, and it creates a worse and worse divide between the wealthy and the poor.
		It destroys the jobs and then eventually it extracts the value because there's not going to be a job to make that money back.
		The rich people have all that money.
		They're opening businesses in other countries.
		It is an extraction.
		Joe Biden, pro free trade agreements and wants to raise corporate taxes.
		That's a terrible combination.
		That's not what we're going to get.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I don't know.
		Yeah, I think There's some truth to that.
		And there's been a lot of change on the right.
		I mean, conservatives in the 1980s were supply-side economics.
		They really wanted to slash tax rates and stimulate economic growth.
		And I think that was, at the time, the right call.
		The problem among my friends and colleagues, some of them, is that they're still stuck in that mindset.
		For whatever problem, cutting capital gains taxes is the solution.
		And it's like, we're not there.
		I don't think that's the solution for the time.
		And I think you're right.
		You know, I spent a number of years in Youngstown, Ohio, that produced more steel than anywhere on the planet.
		And they had 25 miles of steel mills along the Mahono River.
		Wow.
		25 miles.
		They're all gone.
unidentified		Wow.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude, Akron, did you go to Akron?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I've been to Akron, yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's my hometown, Cuyahoga Falls, right?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		That's the same kind of story.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Same kind of story.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It was a rubber boom.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		shell of a city. I know and it's like 25 miles straight of steel.
		Oh man. All gone. All gone. That's awful. And you know there's a lot of complex reasons for that but
		the thing is what does that do to a community? It wrecks it.
		And when you wreck and rip apart a community you destroy the social fabric.
		What do you have in Youngstown now?
		You have high rates of addiction, high rates of suicide, high rates of broken families.
		Opioids.
		Oh, the opioids are just an absolute nightmare, you know.
		I remember, you know, I spent a week with bounty hunters in Youngstown.
		Didn't end up in the movie, but it was kind of a cool experience and, you know, you kick down the doors of people's places and it's just people strung out needles in their arms and it's like, We have systematically destroyed these folks.
		And Youngstown's very interesting because it was a blue-collar, labor town, heavily Democratic, and switched to Trump in 2016.
		It was kind of a bellwether for the shift because people said, wait a minute, the FDR is dead.
		FDR is dead and gone.
		He's not coming back.
		And at least Trump respects us.
		At least he speaks to us as worthwhile human beings, where especially Hillary Clinton was
		directly disdainful of people who are middle class.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		My favorite story. You ever hear the news? And everybody who's watching already knows,
		because I tell it all the time. Donald Trump went to a fancy restaurant and ordered this very
		expensive steak, well done, with ketchup. And you know what the media did?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Ridiculed him for it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And do you know what regular people thought?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Loved it!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, regular people loved that Trump did it.
		Because, as I explained to people, when I was growing up, we couldn't get a medium-rare filet mignon, sprinkle a little salt and garlic, fancy, and all the garnish.
		No, we got the trash steaks from the local deli for a buck, cooked it through because it tasted like crap, and slopped ketchup on it.
		So you get regular working people, I've seen their companies, their jobs removed, destroyed, and they're eating from the bottom of the barrel, and Trump's eating what they're eating.
		The media insulted them.
		Yes.
		When the media insulted Trump, I'm sure regular Americans said- Did you see the New York Times refrigerator story?
		No, what's this one?
unidentified		Maybe, maybe.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		It's so depressing.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		What they did is a New York Times reporter like this is the most who like and no point in the editorial cycle did someone say maybe this is a really demeaning and terrible idea.
unidentified		Oh boy.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		They sent a photographer and a writer to go out to open people's refrigerators and take pictures of them.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Biden voters and Trump voters.
unidentified		Wow.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		So they had, and then, like, there's a class element that they don't address in the story, and it's ridiculous, but they cherry-picked it so that the Biden voters are like, Evian water and kale and kombucha.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Frankly, it looks like my fridge, I'll admit it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I just requested some kombucha.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Totally, and pre-packaged smoothies and all these beautiful things.
		And then the Trump fridges are, you know, some milk, a half case of Pabst, and some hot dogs, some bad steaks, and some hot dogs, right?
		I mean, you know, like, and And then they presented it essentially as the enlightened and the benighted.
		I mean, like the good and the bad, the sophisticated and the dunce.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		That was surprising.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		And they put it up on the New York Times.
		I mean, it's like, and they forget the lesson.
		You know, you remember what Bill Clinton used to do, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What would he do?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		He used to slip his Secret Service security detail to go get McDonald's.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Oh my gosh, that sounds great.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		And people loved it because he was Bubba from Arkansas.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I mean, really, like, you know, people- They like it with Trump, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Donald Trump, my favorite, one of my, okay, we've had some really good fact checks.
		But I don't know if you guys saw this one.
		First, before I give you the really juicy fact check, I just want to mention, during the debates, Donald Trump and Hillary, he said Hillary Clinton acid washed her server.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, speaking figuratively.
		NBC puts out a fact check card on Twitter.
		False.
		Hillary Clinton did not use a corrosive chemical on her computer.
		Recently, there was a fact check where Donald Trump said, we ordered a thousand cheeseburgers, they were stacked a mile high.
		And it was like the AP said, at two inches each, a thousand burgers stacked up would not reach a mile high.
unidentified		False!
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I'm glad they did that for us.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh man. And I love it when Trump bought all the McDonald's.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It was because it's that, what was it, like a high school team or something?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		And there was a shutdown. The government wasn't functioning, I think, at the time.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I remember.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And, but they were like, we love it. It's so awesome. And there's like pictures of
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		them grabbing a bunch of burgers. Like, dude, it's McDonald's, man.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I just thought.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		The Taco Bell picture. That one was classic.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I love Latinos.
unidentified		Yeah, man.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		And it's like, I get that that's kind of like, oh, it's kind of cringey.
		It's kind of like, but it's like, that's it.
		He's like Donald from Queens.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		And you got to think about the guy too, the language.
		I thought about this a lot, actually, because the language also made me uncomfortable and sometimes still does.
		But this is a guy who grew up in Queens, a guy who spent a lot of time on construction sites and a lot of time on the floor of casinos.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		You know the language in those places.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		It's horrific, you know?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		And that kind of braggadocio, that kind of exaggeration, that kind of hyperbole, I think is more natural to that environment.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I hear his dad was really mean to him too.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He'd bring him into work and kind of like berate him in front of his co-workers and stuff.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So he's had a pretty rough There's a video, it's like one of the best endorsements of
		Trump ever, but also kind of like, where it's this black dude with a gun and he's
		pointing it at the camera and he's yelling, get my president's name out of your mouth.
		And he's like, it's this guy endorsing the president.
		But the reason I bring that up is it's in line with what do poor people in this country
		need and what do they think?
		And right now, the Democrats are the party of the wealthy elites.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Oh, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		In 2016, Vox said it.
		Vox.com, progressive website, said Democrats have become the party of the wealthy.
		Take a look at Biden's donors.
		Wall Street, high-income families.
		Donald Trump is mostly funded by low-income donations.
		I shouldn't say low-income, but small donations from lower-income people.
		And now the resistance on the side of the multinational billion-dollar corporations and the wealthy elites in Wall Street.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think of Robert Reich when you say the resistance.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's him, baby.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Biden said it was $43 was his average donation.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is that right, Joe Biden?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I mean, but average, what does that mean?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		I don't know that he only got, I don't know, 10 donations.
		It means that he got a lot of small donations.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It means that most people donate around 20 bucks and then he's got a whole bunch of people giving him hundreds of thousands to like his super packs or whatever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The other thing people need to realize is that as a politician you can say, my average donation is only $20 and then my average donation to my super pack is half a million.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, that's slimy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, of course.
unidentified		Oh yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not getting the donation.
		I have nothing to do with the super PAC.
		Yeah, you want to give me a million bucks?
		Sign the check over to that guy over there on the other side.
		I'm just here eating a cheeseburger at this restaurant.
		That guy has nothing to do with me.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		By the way, what did Biden say he was supporting today?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I'm sorry.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Can we play that?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Joe Biden said he was mobilizing True and non-a, true and non-sha, true and non, true and non-a-sha but depression.
unidentified		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		True and non-a-sha but a depression.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's amazing.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That was my response.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I want it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not kidding.
unidentified		He said, I'm mobilizing true and non-a-sha but a depression.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And now people are like, it's memeing, it's crazy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		People are cheering when he said it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that was the best part.
unidentified		No, no, the best part is, so I don't know if you- Women are flashing the stage.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're just like, yes!
unidentified		Wait, wait, wait.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So you've seen the Art on the Walls, right?
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So this is George Alexopoulos who does these really, really amazing and somewhat creepy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yep.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Somewhat, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Very creepy.
		One of the pictures we have over there is it's Joe Biden.
		He's drooling and a woman is handing him a little girl.
		And everyone in the background is screaming and cheering.
		And then when he takes the little girl, his mouth becomes this gigantic monstrous and open and the girl's freaking out trying to escape.
		But there's all these thumbs up in the air and people clapping and cheering.
		And then he eats the little girl and then he thumbs up back.
		That's what it reminds me of.
unidentified		When he said, I'm legalizing true and honest Shabbat of depression.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And everyone's like, yay!
		What are you cheering for?
		The absolute state of 2020.
		Yeah, I love it.
		I was talking to my friend Cassandra Fairbanks earlier, and she brought that up to me.
		When I sent her the video, she goes, they're all clapping and cheering for this.
unidentified		Yep.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Like, what are they cheering for?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What was your path to voting for Donald Trump?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I already did.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What was your path?
		Because I voted third party and, well, I don't even like saying third party.
		I voted for Jill Stein in 2016 and I'm led towards Donald Trump.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I know.
		I mean, my path, like my political path, you know, I saw myself, I grew up as a man of the left.
		I grew up in California, very progressive.
		I grew up in Sacramento, down the street from Berkeley, and my heroes were the Kind of anti-establishment radicals of the campus revolution in the 1960s.
		You watch the old videos of the speeches defending free speech, defending creativity, defending expression.
		And that's what I loved.
		This is kind of where I am.
		But I went to college and then got involved in left-wing politics.
		And I discovered very quickly That the kind of elite left-wing politics is about the phoniest group of people you could imagine These are people that are staging hunger strikes on campus for people that are just embarrassed by them It's like we're gonna do this for you.
		You might not want it, but we're gonna do it for you anyways And at that moment it just kind of died.
		On a personal level, I can't associate with this.
		I don't like this.
		I don't quite understand everything.
		So I got out of college, directed documentaries for PBS for about 10 years.
		And then as I was a filmmaker and the filmmaking industry was just getting devoured by the kind of intersectional, hyper-progressive, critical race theory left, I started really digging into it and understanding kind of
		where is this all coming from, what does it all mean, and kind of slowly just abandoned the left and was looking
		for kind of an exit plan.
		And in 2016 I voted kind of in retrospect stupidly for Gary Johnson.
		I said like, you know, I'm libertarian, orient, like, you know, do whatever, don't hurt people, Gary Johnson, protest,
		vote.
		And then really kind of, especially with the critical race theory.
		Um, obviously, you know, it's a, it's an accomplishment.
		I had a nice celebration at the White House today about it.
		Um, and I realized like this is the only part for all of his flaws.
		This guy has flaws.
		And they're not hidden flaws.
		These are very evident flaws.
		He wears his flaws like a jacket, you know?
		I mean, he is who he is.
		There's a lot of things I don't like about it.
		But two things.
		One, the policies that he's put forward I think are good for a large extent.
		And then the critical race theorist said, this is the only guy with the stones to sign a piece of paper saying, no more of this.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I had a question about that.
		When Trump was asked about critical race theory, I couldn't help feeling that he didn't know enough.
		What should he have known more that would have made him more persuasive and help people understand?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I think that the president is many things.
		He's not a scholar, so I think that he had a hard time describing it.
		I think he's a visceral politician.
		He said, they're teaching people to hate America.
		That's bad.
		He should have gone on a discourse.
		I don't know what he should have said, but I think he should have said, they're segregating people by race.
		They're demeaning people.
		They're dividing people in the workplace.
		It undermines everything we stand for.
		And I put a stop to it, even though my opponents are going to demagogue me about it until Election Day.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think when he was on the debate stage with Chris Wallace, and Chris Wallace was like, Donald Trump, you recently banned racial sensitivity trainings.
unidentified		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
		Trump's response should have been, thank you for the question, Chris.
		My executive order does not ban racial sensitivity trainings.
		What we banned were segregationist or neo-segregationist practices, which are a violation of Title
		VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, an act in violation of the law.
		Once I realized that there were institutions within the federal government that were violating
		the law, I immediately said, you must cease this at once, and we won't actually participate
		in any contracts with companies that are also in violation of civil rights law.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		You should have, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is about ending racism in this country, and it's kind of shocking that many people like my opponent over here would support these racist and illegal policies.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, totally.
		He should have said all of that.
		And you know, I wrote a piece in the Wall Street Journal basically saying racial sensitivity training is the most bogus Orwellian manipulation of language that exists.
		And I think that's really, we talked about this earlier, the kind of rapid change of language where something becomes unpopular, they just change the phrase.
unidentified		Yep.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		And it's, you know, remember mostly peaceful protests?
		Oh yeah.
		You know, and racial sensitivity trainings, all these things that sound good, very innocuous, but hide something.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Anti-fascist.
		Anti-fascist.
		Black Lives Matter.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He could have you on a press conference and tell people.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He could appoint you to a position.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Because I think it would be good to have like a legit scholarly explanation.
		I think it's like the root of a lot of these riots.
		And if we're able to.
unidentified		It is.
unidentified		Look, look.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		And we need to talk about this at length.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think we need to have regular people just say F you.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Just in general.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I've said it before.
		Look, man, I had a contract at a company.
		They were paying me very, very well.
		They wanted to get ultra woke.
		I basically said no.
		They offered me like all of a sudden I got paid a big fat check and I was like, I want to break my contract.
		And then I ultimately I left and I didn't know what I was going to do.
		Recently, Glenn Greenwald, famous journalist, one of the most consequential journalists of our generation, resigned from his own news organization because they were censoring news on the Bidens.
		And you know what the response was from the editor?
		I'm sorry, not from the editor, from... I can't remember who levied this criticism.
		They said something like Glenn was being challenged by an increasing... What did he say?
		Oh yeah, the Democratic Party had become offensive to him because it was now with more women and people of color, and it was challenging his power, so he immediately became disdainful and angry.
		Right.
		When Glenn Greenwald wrote about how corrupt the elite crony class was, they said he was actually just mad because there were a lot more people of color.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I mean, he's a gay journalist married to a Brazilian guy.
		And that's the thing, too.
		It doesn't even have to match any form of reality that most people would say, that doesn't make sense.
		That doesn't add up.
		Because they know they can say it no matter what.
		It's become a catch-all.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, I think the more they do this, the more votes Trump gets.
unidentified		I agree.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But I gotta tell you, man, if the polls are right, that would be really scary.
		And it could be true.
		They're never right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If they are, it's a coincidence.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It could be.
		Look, there's a margin of error, you know, and it's pretty wide right now.
		It's between like three and now it's at four, they're saying.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So that's a serious margin of error.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They're models too, right?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		They're not actual polls.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, the polls are always modeled.
		So they'll ask 5,000 people and say, okay, now we need 350, you know, Democrats, 200, you know, Republicans, or 260 Republicans, and then we'll determine what we think is going to happen.
		So it's possible they're all completely wrong.
		But I got to say, it would be perhaps wishful thinking for me to think I know better than all of these different institutions.
		But think about what that means that the polls are wrong.
		It means that the American people don't care, that you have literal violations of civil rights law happening all over this country in our own government, that in California they're trying to repeal their civil rights.
		You know about their Appeal Prop 209.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		And who's fighting?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Asian Americans.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right, right.
		And who's fighting the Harvard stuff?
		Asian Americans.
		No wonder they don't like them.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I've got a question about his banning of the theory.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		When we had Vosh on the other night, none of us really could figure out, did he ban the schools from teaching it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Explain this already.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Or did he just, he's not going to give money to schools that teach it?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		No, no, no, no, no, no.
		So, so this is a good question.
		No, you can't really, you know, it's complicated, but you can't change a curriculum.
		So you could teach critical race theory alongside another theory, et cetera, et cetera.
		What he's, what he's, what he's banning is the kind of HR trainings.
		You can't train your employees in these kind of ideas and these divisive concepts.
		You can't stereotype, scapegoat, or demean people on the basis of race or sex.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is he withholding funds from schools that teach it?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		It's not schools.
		So the executive order, it does it in the federal government, federal agencies, and then in federal contractors.
		So basically all the big corporations.
		They're scrambling now.
		And the irony is this.
		You have the president saying something very simple.
		You can't scapegoat, stereotype, or demean people on the basis of race.
		And all of a sudden these corporations in the U.S.
		Chamber of Commerce are freaking out and changing all their policies.
		You have to say, well, man, you guys must have been scapegoating, stereotyping, demeaning people on the basis of race.
		We've found the systemic racism.
		But it doesn't apply to schools and universities.
		And this is, you know, the next big thing.
		And I think I can say without revealing too much detail, my next campaign, my next kind of move on this is that if the president wins, I feel very confident that we could also extend the executive order through Title VI of the Civil Rights Act.
		to every public K-12 school and every university in America.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That was my first thought.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Bosch said that it would be a violation of free speech and the ability to teach theory.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		This is another one of the low-level, low-effort criticisms.
		Free speech?
		What are you talking about?
		You can still say critical race theory.
		You can say it.
		You can say it.
		I can say it.
		You can say it.
		You can teach it.
		You can do whatever you want with it.
		You have the right for the government to protect your speech.
		The government has to protect your freedom to speak.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, they can't violate your rights.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		But the government is not required to subsidize your speech.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Absolutely not.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Right, I mean, that's ridiculous.
		These are people that are using federal dollars to indoctrinate people into this kind of ideology.
		You don't have a right to public money, and you don't have a right to teach it to public employees, but of course you still have your First Amendment right to do it on your own time and your own dime.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And also what needs to be said in that capacity, it's one thing if a school says, I'd like to teach you about critical race theory.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's another thing if they're applying critical race theory.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Exactly.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		If you use critical race theory in their teaching, that's different than teaching you about the theory.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Should schools be allowed to teach children about what white supremacy is?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Should teachers be able to teach kids to be white supremacists?
unidentified		No.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Charge kids with supremacy.
		I feel like this is a supremacist movement.
		Even though it's tearing a race down, it still feels like a racial supremacy movement.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		You're correct.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Racial identitarianism.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		And Ian, I think this is a crucial distinction that I really, really wish we had hammered home to Vosh.
		and all of our audience because one of the things that nobody was noticing I don't think the other
		night was that this is at the federal level dude this is freaking me out this is in Sandia labs
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		these are the people who make nukes Ian the treasury the people who control our money supply
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		this is genuinely unsettling to me like This isn't just teachers.
		This is people at every level.
		Not anymore.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Teaching kids about racial supremacy is an interesting concept, because that's a heavy thing to teach.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		That's the next phase of this campaign, and I'm sitting on basically a fat stack of documents.
		I've been doing public records requests at some school districts.
		I have also whistleblowers at school districts.
		requesting all of their, kind of, diversity, inclusion, ethnic studies, all of these different training programs and curricula.
		And the one in Seattle, it's like, they send me two CD-ROMs.
		Like, actually, like, how am I gonna read this CD-ROM?
		A, but then B, like, the City of Seattle, Seattle Public Schools Curriculum, Ethnic Studies Curriculum, or whatever they call it, Race and Social Justice Initiative.
		The logo is Seattle Public Schools, a picture of the Space Needle, and on top of the Space Needle is a black power fist.
		Literally!
		It's like, you guys didn't try to be subtle about that?
		And in a way, the federal employees, adults are old enough to be like, oh, I'll do this thing, but it's stupid.
		But kids are not.
		Kids are not sophisticated enough to say, actually, in Cheryl Harris's original 1993 paper on whiteness as property, she makes a distinct, like, they're They're eight years old!
		Right?
		And that to me is very dangerous, very destructive, and I just, I think, you know, I've experienced it even with my own children to a certain extent, those kind of teachings, and it's just, it's no good.
		We gotta stop it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Do you know where that fist comes from?
unidentified		Like, no, the origin of the fist, no!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know the exact origin, but I do know it was very prominent in the Spanish Civil War.
		And do you know why, when they make the fist, they show you the fist?
		Why?
		It's a symbol of the fingers standing together, the small coming together to make the strong, just like the fascists believed.
		How do you pronounce it, fascis?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Fascis, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, the sticks banded together with the axe as a weapon or whatever.
		Yeah, again, it's a reduction to power.
		It's a reduction to all social forces to power.
		There's no room for morality.
		if they could band together and their power would prevail.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, again, it's a reduction to power.
		It's a reduction to all social forces to power.
		There's no room for morality.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's the dangerous part.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know who David Graeber was?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I do.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Was he the gentleman who... I think he may have passed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I want to be very careful because I don't want to accuse someone of dying.
unidentified		died yeah yeah that's he was a police check yeah I will retract it that's not
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		true all right he went on a Twitter Twitter thread a year or so ago saying
		that elements of the left left have adopted fascistic ideologies and he was
		referring a bit to this stuff saying one of the core principles that they
		espouses there is no truth but power yeah which is why they constantly change
		the definition of words they'll do by any means necessary to gain power and he
		said that it was essentially a core tactic ideology of the fascists
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, he died in September.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, wow.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		But, like, depends on the kind of power, really.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Like, the Goblin King power, that's not real power if someone's gonna come up and take it from you immediately after you take it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Or he just has better guard.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Hey, question.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Do you homeschool your kids?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		No, I don't.
		You know, I had my oldest in public school, and then we recently switched to Catholic school.
		Do you ever think about homeschooling them, or are you satisfied with the Yeah, the religious school is great.
		Our youngest is at home with a nanny, and that's amazing.
		My wife and I both work from home now.
		It's awesome to have the kids around a lot.
		I don't think we'd homeschool.
		My wife is very ambitious, very accomplished.
		She's a programmer writer at Amazon.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, she's super smart.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, so she's very smart in the tech world, and I think she likes to work, and she really enjoys the challenge of that and the balance, so we found a nice balance.
		But, you know, much along the lines, I think, of you, Tim, you know, we lived in Seattle.
		We lived in the kind of urban core of Seattle, and it became untenable.
		I mean, we were getting doxxed and threatened and harassed and posters, and then the moment it crossed the line is when people started randomly cursing out my children in public.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, and I actually wasn't there.
		My oldest was with a babysitter, and someone found out, who's your dad?
		And then, you know, F that guy, and you know, he's a Nazi, and Tucker Carlson, like, I mean, like, just blowing my kid.
		And my kid, to his, you know, nine years old, and to his credit, actually amazing, he stood strong.
		He's like, that's not true.
		That's not my dad.
		And held it in, and then came home and burst out crying, right?
		But he stood up to this guy, and this guy's a 40-year-old man.
		Wow!
		And that's a moment that I said, sweetheart, I think we gotta move, man.
		This is getting crazy!
		People have lost their minds.
		And it's like, I'm a reasonable person.
		I can engage with anyone.
		Happy to talk to people.
		But, like, something has possessed people that are highly educated, that are affluent, that are professional people, where they're like, yeah, what I gotta do now is curse out this kid.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I keep thinking about the food supply.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I can't prove a lot.
unidentified		No way!
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		This guy's eating kale chips and, you know.
		These are the rich people, dude.
		I found out who the person was, actually.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		This is a software programmer.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		That's insane.
		Does he drink diet soda?
		It's in conjunction with a lot of other things, but I think part of the psychosis of society is the last 30 years of poisoning of our food supply.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I think you're right, but you give it too much emphasis.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		You're not wrong, but yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Time to go to Superchats.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yes, let's do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We definitely went long on this one.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		We had so much fun.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh my god, yeah.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I was tired when I came here and now I'm all pumped up.
unidentified		I know, now we're wired.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I love it.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh, you did have coffee too, didn't you?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		A little bit.
		Half and half.
		I was a responsible person.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jack Daw says, why do we have to wait for you to be banned to get this fish beaver commentary?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I think it's time to get the politics of the fishing hole channel going.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Correct.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I've long said that if I get banned, I'm just going to go fishing, like whatever, man.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, do it now.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And so they're basically saying, go do it.
		Make the fishing channel.
		I haven't fished in like two decades.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Listeners have spoken, Tim.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Colin Grant says, please have Jeremy Reese on the show next Tuesday.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		He will be here.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He's going to be here for the election night party.
		Jeremy Reese is a quantum physicist.
		He's actually got a bachelor's in science.
		He studies advanced technology.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, this is going to be crazy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is he going to be able to explain the parallel reality we tripped into when Donald Trump won?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Possibly.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He's working on a warp drive.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		The 2020 portal that we've all sunk into.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Vibration of magnesium, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I just gotta point out, we have a ridiculous amount of superchats, a lot of money from people saying, The fact that you have monetized that ridiculous nonsense phrase is a beautiful thing.
		It's time to make some shirts.
		It was true Inanna Shabbat of the pressure.
		True Inanna Shabbat of the pressure!
		Look, I am not a fluent Biden translator, but we talked about it and maybe he was saying true international pressure.
		Yeah.
unidentified		No, no, no.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Something else.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Something.
		But those three words and then a fourth word.
		True international.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I can't believe I missed this.
unidentified		Shabbat.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You gotta watch it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		True and non-shabbat of the pressure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I am marginalizing true and non-shabbat of the pressure.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		L4 coalition.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		True and national.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		True international.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Pressure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What was the Shabbata though?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Shabbata sounds Jewish.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I listen to it a hundred times to transcribe to the best of my ability.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		A lot of people are just typing true and you know and then like... That's the effort that we need.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		That's right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I take my job very seriously.
		McWagan says, I checked out that kid's channel that was SuperChad yesterday.
		He's a high school student that speaks out against woke culture indoctrination in our schools.
		Awesome stuff.
		Channel is Maxim Smith.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I saw him tweet at us the other day.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Maxim Smith.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Maxim Smith.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		M-A-X-I-M-S-M-I-T-H.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And he's a high school kid making videos against woke indoctrination.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Very cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Support the youth who are fighting against this stuff.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Indeed.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		It's true, man.
		I had, like, some high school kids in the neighborhood.
		I hired them to, like, epoxy our garage.
unidentified		Oh, cool.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		And then they're like, oh, what do you do, man?
		I was like, oh, you know, I'm on, you know, TV.
		And I try to be, like, you know, like, I'm a writer.
unidentified		And, you know, they're like, nice, man.
		That's cool.
		I love it.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Our teachers have gone crazy.
unidentified		Really?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Unreasonable.
		people there's like to be in high school now I feel like it's actually to be edgy
		and transgressive to be conservative because you're fighting against your
unidentified		like woke teacher you know so I was like oh well the teachers are being
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		unreasonable with you unreasonable you're like why didn't you do your
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		homework it's like because you're white you're like what San Diego just changed their grading policies.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, I think I saw that.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Did you see this?
		They're saying we can no longer grade people on if they complete all their work or if they turn in their homework on time or their academic performance.
		We have to do holistic grading that takes into account other factors.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		How is this not some kind of virus that has been implanted in our society to destroy it?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		It totally is.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I'm not saying it's true, I'm just saying.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is this returning the seeds that China mailed?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		That's a good conspiracy theory.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		That's like a nice linkage.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I like that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You plant it, one day comes up, there's a weird looking flower and you look and then it blasts you in the face.
unidentified		White privilege.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		White privilege.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		You're a zombie.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Happy Halloween.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
		Uh, the Reaper Sun says, ah, the cinematic 24 frames per second for the ultimate immersive Tim Guest experience.
		Our internet was all funky.
		I have really good news though.
		We literally had two guys come out and I'm going to tell you, it's going to be real.
		People are going to get mad.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Do it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The Verizon guy comes out and he goes, and we've been waiting to get Verizon installed so we can actually, and thank you Verizon.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We want, we want some good internet.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		You do gigabit or higher?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Gigabit.
		It's going to be great.
		Right now we have garbage internet.
unidentified		Oh wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Makes it really hard to do a lot of things.
		And this guy came out and said, yeah, I noticed that in the system, it was just dormant for months.
		Nobody was doing anything with it.
		And I was like, we have been calling every single week.
		They were like, you know, for some reason, nobody just decided to do it.
		Wow.
		Amazing.
unidentified		It's hard.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So we actually had not only them come out, but the electricians who are going to lay the lines.
		We're in the middle of nowhere.
		So they have to actually do construction for a mile or so to actually get the internet working at this place.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		You've got to read this one I highlighted, Tim.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Read it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Unix Edu says, nice.
		Tim bringing back Max Headroom style videos tonight.
		Yeah, but we didn't do the thing, thing, thing, where we talk, talk, talk, talk.
		You know Max Headroom, right?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Joe Biden.
unidentified		True or not, Shabbat, Shabbat, Shabbat, pressure, pressure.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Joe Headroom.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Joe Headroom.
		True.
		Snafu says, always remember that the left and the democratic controlled media always
		tell you what they are calling you, always tell you what they are by calling you those
		things.
		Yep.
		Just remember Communist Manifesto is being used by them.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		True.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Is it?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
		Sure is.
		Dude, we were so on to something talking about the Russian Revolution, man.
		That is such an archetype.
		They had a king they were revolting against.
		We don't, which is part of why I think we can beat this thing or defeat the concept.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Dude, I saw a friend post, I've never voted before but now I'm doing my duty and it was a picture of a ballot going into the ballot box and it was like, we must stop Trump, he's destroying democracy.
		And I'm just like, the amount of things I must tell you.
		First of all, already voted, and I'm like, is it destroying democracy to appoint Supreme Court justices as per the rules of our system?
		Is it, like, when we had Vaush in here, he was saying that Trump's use of executive authority, executive orders, was, like, authoritarian, and I'm like, but that's literally the confines of the executive branch.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		And it's also, he's utilized it in much less aggressive ways in the last administration.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, he argued that Trump was doing more.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But regardless, I don't care.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Regardless, it's the same principle.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		It's the same mechanism.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And there's a system by which we reconcile.
		You file a lawsuit.
		It goes to the courts.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Guess what?
		When you're president, you're a powerful guy.
		That's how it works.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So interestingly, someone brings it up.
		Shlomo says, Vosch didn't know the text of the executive order.
		He was railing against the banning of a specific ideology.
		He needs to see the language.
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I do want to say, I'm not trying to drag him.
		I have tremendous respect for him coming on and actually trying to give his ideas.
		But I think it's fair to say at this point, a lot of them were not particularly, you know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I also agree.
		It's important to raise the warning sign if people talk about banning theory, teaching theory in any school in the United States.
		You know, it's a free speech is the backbone of what we do here.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Are we good?
unidentified		Ready?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know if you want to follow up.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		The warning flag doesn't mean you're not going to do it.
		It just means there's a warning flag up.
		Let's examine it.
unidentified		Perfect.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Acoustic Theory says critical race theory is the center of what global elites expect will be the intellectual undoing of America.
		At its core is a Marxist retelling of a racial supremacist narrative.
		Perplexed Patriot says, Tim, can you use the power of the beanie to predict the election better than the thousands of soon-to-be-unemployed pollsters?
		I mean, you couldn't do worse.
		I don't know what's gonna happen, but I'll tell you what.
		Come election night, We don't even know if we'll have the total results of who's gonna win.
unidentified		We will not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It may be that Trump wins some states we didn't think possible, and so they're just like, okay, mail-in ballots don't matter at this point.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I tell you this.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Oh, no.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		No matter who wins... I know where you're going with this.
unidentified		Where?
unidentified		What?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Where am I going?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		You're going with this.
		This could not be decided for weeks or... No, no, no, no.
		Oh, well, sure.
		Well, for sure, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, what I was gonna say is, I assure you, no matter what happens at the end of that night, I am going to be laughing.
		They're having a good time.
		I think one of the big things that separates at least me from whatever that woke crowd is, when Trump won, that woman drops to her knees and screams in the sky.
		Dude, you know what I'm gonna do?
		When Trump won, I laughed.
		It was like the guy with the two women, that meme where the women are like, and the guy's laughing.
		I'm just like, roll with it.
		What are you gonna do?
		You gotta survive.
		You gotta be strong.
		You gotta be mature.
		If Joe Biden wins, I'm gonna laugh.
		Now, admittedly, that means we don't get the great memes, okay?
		This is what many conservatives are worried about.
		But I'm willing to bet there's gonna be some conservative meltdown videos, but I gotta be honest.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		No way, dude.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There will be, but they're not gonna be entertaining.
unidentified		True.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's gonna be a guy going, it's gonna be like, you know, Glenn Beck saying, America.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's serious this time, and we need to come together, and it's gonna be like, okay, Glenn, you know, you're right.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		But they're not true meltdowns, they're not emotional breakdowns.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The extent to which we're gonna see conservatives is, there might be some people, but I really don't think, you know what it is?
		It's that the conservatives aren't going to pull out their phones, put them in their car on the dashboard and drive and go, no, Trump!
		I'm imagining it's a middle-aged guy with sunglasses on, you know, like the very stereotypical, and he's driving, Trump lost!
		It's not going to happen.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		It's not going to, you know, I got an old buddy works at a tech company and he's like, dude, he's like, first of all, you know, I don't vote.
		I really don't care.
		So I was like, all right, that's true.
		Uh, my friend, he's like, but like my team of like salespeople, all the people come in the next day and they're crying.
		I had a bunch of people call out.
		They're too emotionally traumatized.
		They can't come in.
		Our executives brought in trauma counselors and grief counselors to like coach our, it's like, what is wrong with people?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Because Trump tweeted?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		No, when Trump won in 2016.
		And it had these trauma set and it's like, if you are emotionally debilitated because an opposing political party won, that's not because of the politics.
		It's because of you.
		It's like, look, I'm invested.
		I had a great thing working with the president's team on this thing.
		I'd love to see it win.
		I'd love for us to extend it to K-12 schools and universities.
		But if he loses, I'll be like, all right, cool.
		Well, now we're going to shift our strategy, do something different.
		Figure something else out.
		Yeah.
		You can't invest your emotion and psychology into that stuff.
		It's not good.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		But I would say that I'm kind of concerned about the future, and I'm worried about having kids and stuff.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		So I guess we'd cross that bridge when we get there.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what, man?
		I've always been... We were talking about this with Jack, about not being afraid of being the other.
		I don't care.
		If this country goes insane and people are running around doing crazy things, I'll advocate for it to cease and for people to be arrested.
		But if we came to a point where the whole country was critical race theory or whatever, bro, I'll go down to the mountains.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude, we could run this show without a president.
		We don't need someone sitting there to do this right.
		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, I'm just saying, at the end of the day, it comes down to the individual and you need to be responsible for yourself.
		So if the whole country goes woke and crazy, it's like, I'll take care of myself and I'll do the best that I can.
		And I think that's why moderates, conservatives, and even people who are disaffected liberals are mature adults.
		And that's really, I think there really is a separation.
		I mean, look, like you mentioned, trauma counselors, these people are not adults.
		They're like, you know, I kind of view it as sort of, A permanent childhood, similar to what we did to wolves, you know?
		Dogs are basically permanently child, like wolf cubs, you know what I mean?
		I was reading about this.
		You have a lot of people who've not reached that level of maturity where they understand what life really is.
		And I wonder if it's because they're pampered and protected.
		It's the result of our wealth and success.
		Because I've been homeless.
		I've slept outside.
		I've been in the middle of nowhere.
		I've gone camping.
		I'm willing to bet many of these people have never gone to the woods.
		It's like, what do you do when you have to take a dump and you're in the middle of the woods and you're 30 miles out?
		They probably have no idea.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Don't cut yourself.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They have no idea.
		So to them, it's like there's something always there for them.
		And if they don't get it, what do they do?
		They bark at people.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's just like... What did you feel the moment you found out Trump won 2016?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Honestly, I'm just shocked and disbelief.
		I was with a friend of mine, we were watching The Returns, and I said, I can't believe this is like, what is happening?
		I just kind of shocked, disbelief, interest, curiosity.
		I didn't really have a dog in the fight.
		I wasn't, you know, emotionally invested either way.
		I just said, this is crazy.
		Nothing like this has ever happened before.
		And buckle up, it's going to be an interesting four years.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I felt like someone hit me in the gut.
		I woke up at like 2 a.m.
		to check the results, and it just felt like the wind knocked out of me for a second.
		I think it shocked me out of this, like... Remember I was telling you I thought we were going to get nuked when I was in L.A.?
		And it was like, Hillary's in!
		The system's rigged, we're all doomed anyway.
unidentified		And I just got shocked out of it when Trump won.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's see, uh, Balian says, every time I try bringing up Tucker to my liberal friends, it's always, oh, well, Fox lawyers won a case saying any intelligent person would never take anything he says seriously, so I'm not listening to this lying POS.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Rachel Maddow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's, uh, that's on Tucker.
		Project Veritas says they won't settle.
		They'll take it all the way.
		Tucker should've.
		End of story.
		And if, and, and that's it.
		And if he got something wrong, he should, he can admit he's wrong.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Veritas wins, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, if anybody sues, you don't settle.
		You just take it all the way and drive it to the ground.
		End of story.
		If Tucker won his case by claiming that he's not reasonable, he caved.
		That's on him.
		And you have to figure out how to argue past that.
		That's true.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Find someone else.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What was the case?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
		Flaming Short says, is socialism caused by schizophrenia spectrum, fascism by psychopathy, liberalism by autistic spectrum?
		I don't know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I think socialism is caused by ignorance, but that might be too vague.
unidentified		Yeah, a little bit.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I don't know.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It just seems it's like an ideal, like, let's all just share everything all the time.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Very pie-in-the-sky.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it's reducible to mental illness, which is what they're suggesting.
		They're saying there's a DSM category for every political ideology.
		I don't think it's that.
		I think a lot of people are well-intentioned, you know?
		It's just the gap between intentions and results.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		One eats burritos says if you're if you're really about freedom of speech Tim you you would Nick Fuentes on
		He's actually banned for being a dissident voice and then he says Vosh pedo apologists
		Here's here's what I've said over and over again. And now I'm gonna start a tally list. I have a tally already. I
		I will not be bullied into having people come on this show and I will have them on if they're relevant and I don't care if, you know, someone like Nick has been banned and whatever.
		We'll have anybody we want on.
		And I'll also state that these people are kind of trying to sabotage Nick's chances of coming on because he was already recommended to us a while ago and we've already been, you know, working on setting something up.
		So for people to come out now and, like, start... I'm getting messages all the time, people are tweeting at me like crazy, and they're very, like, derogatory.
		It's almost like they're trying to make sure we don't book this guy.
		He's one of the America First guys, and he got banned from a bunch of platforms.
		And so we had, you know, one guy on, and everyone's like, well, they got this guy on, and I'm like, no, no, we're gonna have on who we want to have on.
		And I'm not gonna let people say, well, if you have him, you gotta have him.
		If you have him, you gotta have him.
		But a good friend of mine actually asked that we reach out to him because of how he got banned and censorship is such a big deal.
		But now all these people, you know, are trying to be really adversarial about it.
		And it's kind of, you know, it's kind of off-putting.
		No, it's really off-putting.
		Yeah, it's like, but it could be people who hate him trying to make sure we don't book him.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		That's possible.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		You know, so that's why I don't take him.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I would like to say that I am actually keeping a tally, and the more people who bother me about Nick Fuentes, the less likely I am to want to talk to him.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Don't fall for the false flag.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, but I don't want to fall for people knowing that it's like... Because I think that might be what it is, because I had someone reach out to me very politely and be like, hey, we'd love to make the case for actually having a conversation about this.
		You know who we should have on?
		get on Twitter are like trying to make it seem like he's a bad like he's
		attacking us or whatever. Right. That's why I'm like you know who we should have on
		Nick Fuentes. So he got I don't know the full details like the main issue is we
		have to like we produce shows so we want to figure out what what makes sense and
		what's relevant.
		But people think we just like randomly, like, one day we'll be like, oh, let's have this guy I've never heard of come on the show.
		But I know who Nick is, and I know a little bit, and I'm talking with a friend who actually is very familiar with his circumstances, so stay tuned.
		Let's see.
		Wolfhammer says, began fighting critical race theory in college in 92.
		Best day was when a black woman professor came in and tore down the idea right in front of all the white professors.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Wow.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Fierce.
unidentified		What is it?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't know what that super chat is.
		I'm just going to skip it.
		Let's see.
		Mrs. Uploader says, Big Tech diversity is a Trojan horse made by career hungry.
		I'm a Facebook employee.
		Made by career hungry.
		90% employees are not white across Big Tech.
		75% are not American.
		Apple iTunes team is 99% Indian.
		YouTube marketing is 95% women.
unidentified		Wow.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
		Nathan F. says, Tim, you are moving in the right direction.
		I know it's hard to believe, but this type of division was planted in our country decades ago.
		Please check out G. Edward Griffin's clip, More Deadly Than War, from 1969.
		Do you know what that is?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I think he's like warning against kind of communist infiltration.
		It's like a Cold War propaganda film that some people think is accurate for today.
		I think it's that.
unidentified		It is.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I would say.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Spork Witch says, I was job hunting for the better part of a year in 2016-17.
		Once I stopped marking white male disabled veteran and marked decline to
		answer decline to answer disabled veteran, my ratio of callbacks to
		applications doubled. You want to know what's crazy? When I was growing up, I was
		told by my parents never to mark down that I was Asian.
		Just put other. They said don't put anything or if you really want to, you know,
		just like yeah other.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I don't even put Caucasian, I put other.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Don't put white.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Don't put white.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They said don't put white or don't put Asian.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I know a lot of biracial couples in my area that basically counsel their kids to just say, try to pass as white on your applications because the Asian penalty is like 400 SAT points or something extreme.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was told I'd be better off just trying to claim that I was Latino.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Well, it'd be a lot better.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'd be like, they'd be like, are you Caucasian?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, no, I'm not from the Caucasus.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		That was always the weird thing.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm American, though.
		I worked with this guy when I worked at American Eagle Airlines.
		And we were talking about all this stuff, because it was super mixed.
		It was like Hispanic guys, there were guys from South America, there were Filipino guys.
		And then one dude, this tall black dude, got really angry.
		It's out of nowhere.
		And he goes, they keep calling me African-American, but I'm from Haiti.
		And we were like, that's a good point.
		He's like, I'm not from Africa.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And then someone brought up Caucasus.
		They were like, nobody in this room is from the Caucasus region.
		Why are they Caucasian?
		That's so weird.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Time for the American race.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Correct, sir.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
		Flemish Populous says, it has been demonstrated that the more you discriminate against someone for a specific characteristic, the more they identify themselves by that characteristic, i.e.
		race, gender, religion, etc.
		Interesting.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Morgan Freeman speaks about that a lot.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He's like, the best way to get rid of racism, stop calling me a black man, I'll stop calling you a white man, just call me a man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, that's at odds with critical race theory.
unidentified		I don't know about that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Reaperbot says, if the far left wants pro-abortion no matter what, which gives women the ability to
		opt out of parenthood, then maybe the US should remove court-mandated child support, so men no
		longer forced to help support a child they did not want to have. I've actually heard that argument
		from leftists. They've said that they're absolutely okay with if women have a right to choose, then
		men have a right to choose to sever. I don't know. I don't know about that. What do you guys think?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I don't think they're equivalent.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, they're not.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		It's like a false analogy.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dichotomy.
		False.
		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Let's see.
		What does it say?
		Cole Mellon says, Chris, fellow Washingtonian here, how do you feel about Evergreen State College?
		I live in Olympia.
		I hate that school.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Well, Evergreen State College is a great case study.
		This is the first college where kind of woke student mobs took over the campus.
		They had the day of kind of separation or the day of Right.
		whatever they were calling it, they were forcing white students to leave the
		campus and some brave, very progressive, very liberal professors stood up,
		Bret Weinstein and others, and they got booted off campus as a big, kind of
		the first scandal of the woke college mobs.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You see the photo of them with the baseball bats?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, definitely.
		That's your new Chaz police force.
		Super cringe.
		But the thing that's really interesting about Evergreen right now is that their enrollment has dropped from like 5,000 something to 2,000.
		So they've been hit hard, and I think it shows again, like professional sports, like basketball, like these other things, they go really hard woke, but then it does them enormous damage.
		So that makes me very happy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's the economy, stupid.
		Why would someone go to college?
		So they can have a better life and have the things they want and succeed.
		And so when you have people... And you know what?
		I'll tell you what.
		This is a sign that the polls may be wrong.
		Just some side evidence.
		Parents talking to their kids.
		And their kids are like, I want to go to school.
		And the parents are like, I want my kid to succeed, have a good job, get a good house, you know, have a family.
		Don't go to that school.
		You see the Jim Gaffigan?
		No, not Jim Gaffigan.
		Jim Brewer.
		Yeah.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Jim Brewer, the guy from Half-Baked?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		So he's got a stand-up, and I haven't seen the stand-up, but he's got a bit that was being marketed where he's like, so my daughter came home from college and she's like, you can't say that!
		Racist!
unidentified		Racist!
unidentified		You can't say that!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You racist!
		Racist!
		Racist!
		And I'm paying for it!
		I want my money back!
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Right.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Hey, for the record, you weren't calling Chris stupid.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It's the economy stupid.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		It's the economy stupid.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		What is that from?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What is that from?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		For a minute I was like, yeah.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		What's Carville?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Was it Carville?
		James Carville.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		Back in Clinton.
		It's the economy, stupid.
		Yeah.
		So right now you got people, I tell you what, man, I've met so many people and a lot of
		them complain about how Trump acts and behaves, but the money's good.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The money's real good.
		Right now, according to Gallup, 55% of Americans say they're better off now than four years ago.
		Let's see how good their memories are, and if they can, you know, if they trust in Trump to get us out of this, because if they're better off now than they were four years ago, that means under Biden they weren't doing so well.
		And they're doing way better now under Trump.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		That's a good point.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Ian Hall says, to Ian's point, Gattaca!
		Eugenics for the win.
		I don't know if eugenics is a good thing.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		No.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		The progressives were super into it back in the early 1900s.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, Margaret Sanger, baby.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Is there any value to eugenics?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		No.
		I think, you know, but critical race theory is bizarrely kind of... eugenics is scientific racism about 100 years ago.
		The idea is that you can reduce someone to an essential racial characteristic, you know, and then sort them into a hierarchy based on those characteristics.
		And it's, I mean, false science, right?
		But the critical race theorists do really the same thing.
		They say you can be reduced to whiteness or blackness.
		It's the same thing.
		It's race essentialism.
		And I just tell people race essentialism was wrong a hundred years ago.
		It's wrong today.
		No good.
unidentified		Yeah.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		That's playing God.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Kevin Kline says Alex Jones is right.
		Prove me wrong.
		Well, um, I don't know if I want to put, you know, I was thinking Alex Jones on the show.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		We're trying.
unidentified		Yeah, we want to try.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I want to get him here with like a leftist.
unidentified		Yes.
		Yes.
		Yes!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That would be like the greatest show ever.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Great similarity.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		A leftist of similar physical size.
unidentified		I feel like you need to have an evenly matched scenario.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We had this guy on Vosh and he's a YouTuber.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He really is cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I like him.
		A lot of people don't like him.
		A lot of people really don't like him because of comments he's said in the past and they accuse him of all these things.
		He's like a dandy gamer.
		I don't care if you want to criticize him for all those things.
		Everything the left says about Alex Jones, people on the right will say is ridiculous, it's wrong, and the left is defending Vaush.
		So you know what I said?
		They tried canceling Joe Rogan because he had Alex Jones on.
		Around the exact same time, people were getting mad at me for having Vaush on, and I was like, my response to people was, I'm gonna book him again.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		And he's an ex-boxer, like he's a big dude.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Who, Vasha's?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Vasha.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh, really?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He boxed.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I was like, oh, you tell me I can't book somebody, I'll book him again.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But, uh, no, I want to book him with Alex Jones.
unidentified		Yes!
unidentified		Oh my god.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So I tweeted, well, I want to clarify too.
		So I tweeted, I'd love to book them both at the same time to create a cancel culture singularity.
		I don't know if there's like... That's so funny!
		Let's do it!
		But it was a matter of circumstance.
		Not that I think Alex perfectly exemplifies a right-wing person or Vasha a left-wing person.
		It was just at that moment, that's what people were saying.
		So I was like, great, I'll bring them both on!
unidentified		Let's do it!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And I'm pretty sure they both would be down for that kind of show.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		And most people are.
		Normal people are down with a wide range of opinions.
		And honestly, you can say out-of-the-box stuff, and it's only a small minority, a very small moral dictatorship from both sides that wants to cancel other people.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		A lot of times, little things people say will get caught by the media and replayed over and over again, and that's what people think people are, and it's not at all what people are.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		This is a good one.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Stankly Balls says, Tim, you need to get hammered on election night, and at the end of the night where you have a wrestling match with Vosh, you then need to end the night where you take off the beanie, light it on fire, and the color will show the results.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Excellent!
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm pretty sure everyone is going to be watching the results too, and they're going to get notifications if we know who won the president, and you don't need me to light my beanie on fire.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm not going to know before anyone else.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I want it.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Stephanie B says just here to prove I'm real piss people off since I was bombarded for super chat saying Tim was
		attractive I'm still real Tim still attractive too bad. He thinks 27
		is too young PS Lydia has the most calming voice could hear her for
		hours. Oh, there you go Let's see here
		Super Chats.
		Jacob Brownfield says, dropped out of college in January 2017 because of critical race theory.
		I couldn't bring myself to write an essay about the culture of whiteness in America.
		Now I make 45 to 50K a year instead of taking a loan.
		Hey, well, there you go.
		Win-win, huh?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Good for him.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		There you go.
		Cool.
		Bizinski says, I realized a lot of audience is unprincipled for haranguing you getting guests they don't like.
		Free speech is free, and you exercise it.
		Well, I'll tell you something.
		We got, I think, 85% thumbs up on the Vosh episode.
		There are real reasons to criticize him.
		I'm not defending anything he said or believes in.
		But only 15% were upset that we actually booked somebody.
		We had another person on the show.
		People weren't happy, but it's always around 10 or 15%.
		And I think it's because most people who watch me are kind of just chill, moderate, slightly to the right, maybe a little to the left, maybe libertarian, and they want to hear conversations and they want to see good ideas flourish.
		So I think, look, if there's some people who don't like the show, you just don't watch it.
		It's really that simple.
		I will say, though, I want to clarify something.
		A lot of people who are complaining clearly don't understand leftist tactics.
		Are you familiar with, like, leftist tactics with shutting down speech and stuff?
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You're familiar with deplatforming?
		Mm-hmm.
		And are you familiar with no-platforming?
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		They're different.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Mm-hmm.
		So what people are saying is, Tim Poole has a show, which is a platform, and he shouldn't invite people to give them that platform.
		That's called no-platforming.
unidentified		Mm-hmm.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Deplatforming would be if I book someone and then I get barraged with hate demanding I ban him.
		Yeah.
		No platforming is saying no platform for X. And so it's interesting.
		I looked this up.
		I think it goes back to the 70s actually.
		There was a movement in the UK, no platform for fascism or whatever.
		And so they said they created a coalition within their universities.
		They would not allow any speakers to be given a platform.
		And as they said, you have a right to free speech.
		You can go speak wherever you want.
		I have no obligation to give you a platform.
unidentified		Right.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		That's called no platforming.
		It doesn't mean that I'm going to book everyone.
		And then people are saying, well, that means that Tim has to book this person.
		No, it doesn't.
		It means that if I choose to book someone, I'm not going to give in to people demanding I know platform ideas they don't like.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's ridiculous.
		Then there's no end point to that.
		There's no limit to that.
		So I have to just, anyone you want, I got to put them on the show to prove to you?
		No platform, no gesso.
		You know, within your audience and your friends, if people, you know, some people get a principal disagreement with you, of course, and I think you would engage with that, but you have to separate people that you cannot please with people that you can have a dialogue with.
		And this might be one of those cases, I don't know.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, some people are saying it's because he's a he's a grifter.
		He's a, you know, Vosch is a bad faith actor or whatever.
		And I'm like, look, man, that may be true, but they say the same thing about me.
		They say the same thing about Ben Shapiro.
		They say the same thing about Alex Jones.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		So it's like... Grifter is a meaningless word at this point.
		It's like, it's like, it's like in the in the 90s when a band sold out.
		Oh, there's sellouts.
		It's like, That's good, right?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You ever watch monk debates?
unidentified		Yes.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know what I would love?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I would love if like Jordan Peterson and Alex Jones were on one side and then you had just like, I wouldn't know who you'd have on the left, but the idea is to get like a serious intellectual.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		They had Steve Bannon on a monk debate.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah, I saw that.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Interesting.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		Not, uh, Alex Jones is a very bombastic, entertaining fellow, putting him next to a Jordan Peterson professor and then doing the same thing for the left and like, debate!
		And then you have, you know, Jordan, I don't know how he would deal with Alex or Alex with Jordan, but it would be really funny, wouldn't it?
		Like them trying to argue on the same side.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You'll eventually have quantum computers and artificial intelligence that'll be able to, like, set up a Tim Pool versus whoever you want to see debate.
		And then it'll happen as the artificial intelligence thinks Tim would be.
		And so you don't have to force Tim to have 80 million people on the show.
		You just simulate it later.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Simulate it.
		Yeah, yeah, yeah.
		Aidan Paladin says, Thank you, Chris.
		All the CRT opponents getting called ignorant should read CRT studies.
		They have been so much worse and more egregious in the mainstream for 35 years.
		It's unbelievable racism.
		I would absolutely agree with that.
		And Aidan, come on the show.
		We have a bunch of people who want it.
		We have a list of people who want to book on the show.
		Anton Maxson says, has anyone ever pondered the question about the extreme contrast that has unfolded after the 2012 Mayan prophecy scare?
		Love the show.
		Great work.
		Let me tell you.
		I remember a long time ago.
		December 21st, 2012, they said, right?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And they said, the world's gonna end!
		And then people started saying, it was very simple.
		No, the calendar just stops and then starts over.
		It would be like saying, December 31st, the world's gonna end, because the calendar stops.
		But I read something a long time ago.
		Way before 2012 I was on the internet that the Mayan prophecy was actually about a great awakening That would have would create it was a great awakening that would occur where people would start to understand each other more and gradually come to know each other's thoughts and I read that and I was like, I wonder what that means and then I 2012 was when we started seeing in political campaigning
		the use of social media very heavily and then Twitter became more and more prominent and now we
		are in the world where everyone can see everyone's thoughts on Twitter. Neural net is around
		the corner. Elon Musk. What is it? Neuralink?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Oh yeah that's what I'm talking about. Oh yeah.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Dude, we really are learning each other's thoughts with the internet.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jeff Norman says, bring back the UFO spinning tabletop thing.
		I got you one better.
		I believe it's downstairs.
		I think we got to go get it.
		So the UFO was a levitating lamp, and I ordered a levitating potted plant.
		So, I thought it would be funny because the plant is actually alive.
		So, what we have is we have this duster for the table, and people would be like, spin the UFO, and then we would turn the air on and spin it.
		Now we're gonna have this poor potted plant spinning at high rates of speed, not understanding what's happening, and now that the plant has a brain or anything.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Live plant abuse.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yes, I'm excited.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it'll actually have a negative impact on the plant, but if it will, then I won't.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It'll be really good.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I don't think it will.
		It'll be good, yeah.
		But it might, the water might, you know, get, you know, centripetal force or whatever.
		So I'll make sure we don't actually... We got two recommendations here.
		Eric says, you and Jimmy Dore gotta have a three-hour session.
		I went on Jimmy Dore's show before, and Jimmy's definitely invited.
		I would love to have Jimmy.
		Jimmy's awesome.
		Craig F says, book Andy, no?
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		We're trying, man.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		We have a list of people that we've actually reached out to a lot of them.
		And I will stress, on our list of potential guests, yes is Nick Fuentes.
		I've been talking to some people.
		Yeah, I bring this up because I suppose if there really is people messaging me with the tactic of like mentioning him, it's working!
		Congratulations, you know?
		But we have a list of a lot of people.
		My thing is like, you know what, man?
		We do a sort of a journalistic thing.
		I hate the word journalism at this point because everyone always argues who is and who isn't.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Who's writing in his journal now?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, but you know, look, we've had people on where it's been a very serious interview
		with the Proud Boys guy, you know, Proud Boys guy, Ingrid Guitario, on and we want to ask them
		questions. We want to understand them. And it's more journalistic than the average conversational,
		you know, podcast kind of thing. And so we have a list of people that we want for very serious shows,
		people we want for very conversational shows. And we're trying to put together relevant
		conversations about things that are happening. And it includes a lot of people.
		And some of these people I'm like, I think I will get banned when we book that person, but hey, why not?
		Whatever.
		Who are those people?
		Uh, I can't pull anybody off the top of my head, but certainly Enrique Tarrio was one of them.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, that didn't happen, that's fine.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		No, right, or Alex Jones, even.
		Alex Jones, yeah.
		We're gonna get all the attempts, and even someone like Nick Fuentes.
		But I'm like, if a journalist needs, if somebody, if we're gonna get to the root of what's going on in this country, and who these people are who have followings and have ideas, we need to understand them.
		We need to talk to them.
		That's it.
		Let's see.
		Someone mentioned Steve Bannon.
		Steve Bannon would be welcome as well.
		It'd be very interesting.
		You know what the challenge is?
		I want to get leftists.
		It's impossible to book them.
		Yeah.
		Look at this.
		We got one guy being like, Tim, book this guy now.
		Book him.
		Book him.
		And they're like, you have to book him.
		And it's like, OK.
		OK.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Maybe.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Maybe not.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, you know, we're working through our list of what we think would make for, you know, good shows and it's not super easy.
		It's a job.
		And, uh, the leftists we want to book.
		They usually ignore or say no, or they've, they'll lie publicly and be like, I'll come on your show.
		I'm not scared.
		I'm not really going to come.
		And then they don't show up.
		And then it's on me to be like, I don't know why they didn't come.
		Then they'll make up an excuse.
		Well, it's because of COVID.
		I can't actually go in there.
		And it's like, okay, whatever, man.
		1991shadowheart says, Tim, have JBP and Vaush on for a lively debate when the good doctor has recovered.
		Also, Dankula on the stream when?
		Yes.
		Dankula, of course.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Anytime.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, anytime.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		But the challenge is Dankula and Sargon are both in the UK.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Rude.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So it's like international travel, COVID, it's not super easy.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Anyway, we've actually gone a little bit, uh, we've gone way over today.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		Just a little, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		So, uh, how about, do you want to mention anything?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Your socials, any programs, anything you're doing, Chris?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, I mean, you know, I've just started to really be active on Twitter the last six months, and it's been actually a lot of fun, and, um, it's a tremendous boost, and I think it's just been fascinating to watch, and obviously you know this, probably a lot of your listeners know, but Things that happen on Twitter influence the real world in powerful ways, and it's just been great to take ideas, take research, take investigative reports that I've been doing, and actually putting it out there.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		So I'd love to engage with all of your listeners, your fans.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		What's your account?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		It's realchrisrufo, just at realchrisrufo.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		R-U-F-O?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		R-U-F-O, yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Are you a UFO?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, it's really good and powerful.
		And I think like, we can do tremendous good on a lot of these issues and people in very powerful places.
		They listen, they watch it and, and just great.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Didn't you just do a documentary?
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		I did, yeah, on a weird kind of, a scary kind of parallel track.
		I had produced, I directed a documentary.
		Actually, you know what?
		We can send your folks this.
		I directed a documentary for PBS and it broadcast nationally on PBS on Tuesday.
		Meanwhile, the Critical Race Theory stuff that I've been doing was a very hairy process.
		I was really convinced at some point that PBS was going to cancel me.
		Because we can't have anti-critical race theory guy broadcasting on, you know, kind of Halo, PBS.
unidentified		Wow.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		So I was like, oh man, it's a matter of time before I get the call.
		And then sometimes, and then, but I kind of kept them going on parallel tracks.
		We had the broadcast, but for anyone who's watching or who's a fan,
		you can rent the film on Amazon, but even better, you can just go to americalostfilm.com
		slash premiere and you can watch it for free.
		And for me, it's, you know, it's not a money thing.
		It's really just getting a lot of people to see it.
		And I look at, I spent, you know, five years actually documenting life in three of America's poorest cities.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Right on.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		So that's the film.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Well, if you haven't already, smash the like button.
		It's Friday.
		We're back on Monday.
		Should we announce who our Monday guest is?
unidentified		Sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Is that cool?
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		He's coming.
unidentified		Yeah, I think so.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Jack Posobiec, right?
unidentified		It's Jack?
		Yeah.
		Okay, cool.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah, Jack's coming.
christopher f rufo ▲ ● ▼		He's like, well, we'll make sure.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		I'm like, I'm going to say his name.
		Wait a minute.
		It is, right?
		I'm pretty sure it is.
		Yeah, Jack.
		Jack from One American News.
		He's got like a million followers.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I'm excited.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		You know, big personality.
		He's going to come hang out.
		And then we have election day the next day.
		So we'll It's gonna get crazy.
		We're gonna have an open party.
		It's gonna- I don't know who's gonna come on the stream.
		I guess you got a quantum physicist is gonna come?
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yes, he will tell you he's not a quantum physicist, but he studied- he has a bachelor's in science.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		He's a genius.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		All right, all right.
		So we're gonna have some- some crazy conversations throughout the night.
		We're gonna- we're gonna open up this- like this- I'm gonna run the stream all night.
		We're just gonna like walk away, and there'll be people hanging out here, having pizza and beer, and we're gonna have the election on right- there's a TV over there.
		And then throughout the house, we're gonna have a bunch of people playing video games, hanging, skating, all that good stuff.
		So stick around.
		We'll be back Monday with a great show.
		Of course, you can follow Ian.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		Yes, at Ian Crossland.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		You can follow me on most social platforms, including Twitter, Instagram, YouTube, and more.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And you can, of course, follow at Sour Patch Lids.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		I'm over here.
		Follow me.
		Sour Patch Lids.
		L-Y-D-S.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		And you can find me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, at Timcast.
		And you can also follow me on YouTube with my other channels, youtube.com slash Timcast and youtube.com slash Timcast News.
		And I will also add if you have been following me on Instagram, I have been posting a cryptic countdown.
		Super cryptic.
		Because I'm actually releasing a music video.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Full production, full animation.
		And it is coming out November 2nd, the day before the election, because it is about, very much so, it is about violent revolution and the cycle of violence.
		Wonderful.
		It's a real uplifter, huh?
		Yeah, I'm excited.
		I wrote the story, I wrote the song, and then Nishra produced the music and did everything but the music on top.
		And then we got some animators to animate the story.
		And when I wrote it, I'm like, this is a good story.
		Now I've seen it 50 billion times, and I'm just like, ugh.
		So, uh, I'm assuming it's good.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		It is good.
lydia smith ▲ ● ▼		It's quite good.
ian crossland ▲ ● ▼		From what I've seen, it's good.
unidentified		Yeah.
tim pool ▲ ● ▼		Yeah.
		It's, it's, it's, it's, for me, it's all about the video and the song was written to it.
		And, uh, maybe, maybe we'll show you after the show.
		Yeah, cool.
		Uh, but anyway, we'll be back Monday with, with, I believe Jack, hopefully, hopefully it doesn't cancel.
		Come on, Jack, don't, you gotta come.

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