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Oct. 29, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - DOJ Confirms Joe Biden's Son Under ACTIVE Criminal Investigation, FreedomToons Guests
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unidentified
I'm going to go ahead and get started.
tim pool
We've got huge breaking news.
Investigative reporter James Rosen has confirmed—a DOJ official, I should say, confirms to J. Rosen—not J. Rosen, James Rosen.
J. Rosen's the professor, right?
I totally messed this guy's name up, didn't I?
James Rosen.
From what was going to be the most epic breaking news.
Huge news.
And I'm like, I pulled a Biden, guys.
seamus coughlin
We all have gaps.
Sometimes you have a stutter as a kid.
Let's try again.
tim pool
We got a huge story.
James Rosen, investigative reporter for Sinclair, says a DOJ official confirms that there is an FBI criminal investigation into Hunter Biden that is still active pertaining to money laundering.
The Democratic presidential nominee's son is currently under active investigation by the FBI for crimes related to everything that has been revealed in these emails.
Tony Bobulinski has released documents, and the media isn't covering it.
seamus coughlin
That's a shock.
I wonder why that is.
tim pool
Yeah, it's so weird.
seamus coughlin
Do you think they prefer one candidate or political party or something?
tim pool
No, it must be that they just didn't notice.
It's an honest mistake.
seamus coughlin
They're busy.
They're busy people.
tim pool
The New York Times, The Washington Post, ABC, NBC, CBS.
It's just slipped all their mind.
I totally forgot they were gonna do it and then they didn't do it, you know.
seamus coughlin
Sometimes everyone just drops the ball on a really big story that could change the outcome of an election and it's nobody's fault.
It just happens.
tim pool
It doesn't mean anything.
And it'll be, you know, if Joe Biden gets elected even though he's corrupt and we have evidence of his family's corruption, I mean, it's good, you know, it's a good thing.
seamus coughlin
No, 100%.
I mean, like, they spent three and a half years just screaming nonsense conspiracy theories about the President of the United States colluding with Russia, and then we have an open investigation about a presidential candidate's son essentially colluding with a foreign power, right?
Because he was working with the Ukrainians, or he was working with a Ukrainian company.
Well, his father was.
Well, yeah, his father told the Ukrainians there was a solid quid pro quo, had them fire an investigator who was looking into Burisma, which is a company that paid him up to $50,000 a month.
unidentified
$83,000.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, up to $83,000, which is insane.
Uh, and that's not really a story though.
That's not something we can start up.
tim pool
Yeah, you know.
seamus coughlin
And this isn't, this story isn't just, uh, the media going after right-wing press trying to smear a family member of a presidential candidate to do a guilt by association thing.
These are things Joe Biden very well could have been involved with.
No, no, no.
tim pool
Shamus, Shamus, Shamus.
seamus coughlin
I'm sorry, is this my off base here?
unidentified
Shamus.
tim pool
Look, if it's true that Joe Biden used his son and his brother as an intermediary to get massive money, like a no-interest loan of $5 million from China to never be paid back.
seamus coughlin
A small loan of $5 million.
tim pool
A small loan of $5 million.
And if his son was getting a lucrative job on the board of an energy company in a country where the dude doesn't speak the language and has no experience and he's getting $83,000 a month, I don't think it's that big of a deal.
But you know what I heard?
Donald Trump got two scoops of ice cream.
seamus coughlin
He's got two!
unidentified
Yes!
seamus coughlin
Orange Man is corrupt!
ian crossland
He's corrupt.
seamus coughlin
And I am glad, I am really glad that the media was there to tell that story because it was a very important one.
ian crossland
He got two scoops.
tim pool
He got two.
And everyone else only got one.
seamus coughlin
Two scoop Trump.
tim pool
You know what else I heard?
seamus coughlin
Well, he's not going to get two terms, I'll tell you that.
tim pool
And this is CNN, so you know it's legit.
And then, CNN reported Trump's salt and pepper shaker bigger than everyone else's.
And again, CNN confirmed.
Now, if we didn't know about this, could you imagine a president who, like, imagine re-electing a man who got two scoops of ice cream?
seamus coughlin
Well, it just seems like something that people of this country have a right to know.
unidentified
I agree.
tim pool
I know, I know.
ian crossland
He was actually eating it too?
tim pool
Yeah.
That's insane.
Okay, now that we've really hammed it up for like 15 minutes.
seamus coughlin
So much fun, man.
Now why don't we tell the audience how we really feel?
We were just JKing, guys.
We actually don't like Joe Biden or think it's good that the media is ignoring his story.
ian crossland
If Biden's son, Hunter, was actually involved in like an international money laundering scandal, it's not that big a deal because it's Joe Biden.
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
It's not that big of a deal.
unidentified
That's basically it.
seamus coughlin
You know, that just happens every now and again.
ian crossland
If Joe Biden's like an international criminal, It's not that big of a deal because it's, you know, because it's Joe Biden.
unidentified
It's Joe Biden.
tim pool
Now Donald Trump, I heard, I heard he only paid $750 in taxes.
Are you kidding me?
ian crossland
You said not to slam the table?
seamus coughlin
That's bad for audio.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
Okay, okay, okay.
ian crossland
Ladies and gentlemen.
seamus coughlin
I have a question.
Also, didn't these emails, correct me if I'm wrong, Tim, but didn't they say things like, I can get you a meeting with the big guy?
tim pool
Oh yeah, tons of stuff.
We'll get into it.
seamus coughlin
Might be Joe Biden.
tim pool
We'll get into it because first I want to point out There's, like, nobody covering this story.
And there's, like, two local ABC outlets from Sinclair, and, you know, they're gonna accuse Sinclair of being conservative.
But this is James Rosen.
He's, like, a veteran reporter who's targeted.
But, um, from all of this, we have another major, major breaking story.
And this is serious.
Glenn Greenwald One of the most... I'm saying this legitimately.
The dude's got 1.5 million followers.
He's probably one of the most famous and one of the most consequential journalists of the past couple of decades.
He released the NSA documents.
This is the Edward Snowden leaks.
Thousands of documents.
This was huge.
He launched The Intercept.
And now he has come out saying that the editors at his own company that he co-founded are refusing to publish damning information about the Biden family.
And they were censoring his article.
And they wouldn't even let him, even though he has a contract guaranteeing his right to do so, they wouldn't let him publish anywhere else.
So he had to quit his own company.
That's how corrupt media has become.
We are sitting on a big story.
So we're gonna get into this.
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I'm hanging out with, uh, with Ian.
ian crossland
What up, homies?
tim pool
And Seamus, of course, because we're just doing a bit, and Lydia is producing.
unidentified
I'm over here in the corner.
ian crossland
Hi, Lydia.
tim pool
So, let's just, let's just, um, I want to, I want to jump right in.
Let's get right, uh, started.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
This is from ABC3, We Are TV, or We're TV, however you pronounce it.
DOJ official confirms FBI 2019 criminal investigation into Hunter Biden still active.
And they say, A Justice Department official has confirmed to Sinclair Broadcast Group that the FBI opened up a criminal investigation into Hunter Biden and his associates back in 2019, focused on allegations of money laundering, and that the probe remains active.
Sinclair investigative reporter James Rosen has also spoken with a central witness in these allegations, which suggests that former Vice President Joe Biden knew more than he has acknowledged about his son's overseas dealings.
Tony Bobulinski was thrust in the national spotlight on the evening of the final presidential debate.
It was on that night the former business associate of Hunter Biden claimed Democratic nominee Joe Biden knew about his son taking payments from Chinese and Ukrainian companies and strongly suggested he got a kickback.
Bobby Alinsky discussed why he feels if elected, Biden would be compromised by the Chinese government and much more in an exclusive interview with Rosen.
Quote, the compromise they have is that in the documents that have been well provided to the Senate, to Congress, to the Department of Justice via the FBI, that CEFC was effectively loaning money directly to the Biden family.
And this is getting swept under the rug.
ian crossland
The story's just two hours old, right?
tim pool
Let me just, I don't even know if it's that, I think it's relatively new, but I just wanna stress, yeah, maybe.
The Democratic presidential nominee for the most powerful position in the world, his son, is under a criminal investigation by the FBI for money laundering.
ian crossland
And has been for a year?
tim pool
For over a year.
While Joe Biden was running in the primary, and I can only imagine, While Trump was dealing with impeachment.
So all of this Ukraine stuff was going on.
Imagine when we started talking about Burisma and all of that impropriety.
If news broke that actually, yeah, Hunter Biden's under a criminal investigation.
Crazy.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, and also he sniffs children and can't say words right.
unidentified
That's true as well.
ian crossland
That's a good point.
seamus coughlin
I don't know.
If you want to vote for him, I guess that is technically your right, but I can't see a single reason to.
ian crossland
Does anyone really want to vote for him?
seamus coughlin
Nobody wants to vote for him.
I don't think anyone wants to vote for him.
I think some people are just scared of Trump.
unidentified
Agreed.
tim pool
They're voting against Trump.
That's what it is.
ian crossland
And rightly so.
You know, Trump's not the best.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I mean, I think he's way better.
I think he's a better option, but I could see why people would be turned off by him for sure.
ian crossland
I just wish he was nicer.
You seem quiet, Tim.
What are you thinking about?
seamus coughlin
I don't know.
I feel like he's not nice, but that's also so much of his strength because his base just loves the way, myself included, right?
I love the way that he stands up to the media.
So I shouldn't even just say his base, but I think the American people in general are so sick of the dominant media.
ian crossland
I got to give a brief shout out to Tim, to you, because you're like the only person I know that kept at that Burisma thing forever.
Hunter Biden got hired to be on the board of directors for a company called Burisma Energy, founded by a man named Mykola Zlochevsky.
I didn't know what you meant half the time. I'd be like this thing. Yeah, let me concept. Let me help everyone
tim pool
understand Hunter Biden got hired to be on the board of directors for
a company called Burisma Energy founded by a man named by my colas
Lachowski Lachowski was under several active investigations confirmed by Matt Taibbi
13 to 14 according to some Ukrainian officials this man founder of Burisma
His his dealings could have resulted in and potentially did Result in active investigations and inactive investigations
of Burisma and all of its board members as well, including Hunter Biden
and I'll see you next time.
Rosemont Seneca was the name of the company that was receiving money.
Blue Star Strategies was a PR firm that represented them and had emails sent to the State Department complaining about the investigation.
There's a bunch of separate instances, and I want to be careful so I'm not going to go through them specifically, where you can follow this timeline where this PR firm was like, yo, what's going on?
Why are we being investigated?
We're not doing anything wrong.
Hey, let them know Hunter Biden's on the board.
Joe Biden shows up after Blue Star Strategies was on some White House phone call.
He shows up and says, fire him or you're not getting the money.
Now, as most of you know, Trump couldn't do this either and neither could Joe Biden withhold aid and threaten a country.
Now they complain that Donald Trump threatened to withhold aid from Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden.
That was the basis of the impeachment part of it.
Joe Biden was literally on video saying, I told them to their faces, I will withhold the aid.
And they said, you can't do that.
And he said, call the president, see what he says.
$1 billion in guaranteed loans you will not get unless you fire this guy.
And Matt Taibbi, in his writing, he says he contacted officials, long-standing liberal journalist Matt Taibbi, mind you, formerly of Rolling Stone, said potentially 13 to 14 active and inactive investigations against this guy.
When Joe Biden got this guy fired, he goes, sure enough, son of a B, guy gets fired.
The new guy who came in cleared Zlochevsky of all wrongdoing.
Zlochevsky was then able to return to Ukraine, and it wasn't until 2018, all of a sudden, he had to flee the country again when more corruption charges emerged.
So why was Hunter Biden getting between $50,000 and $83,000 a month to be on the board of a company for which he has no experience, doesn't speak the language, I mean, at the very least, how would they know it was fake?
Now the mainstream news repeatedly says it's fake news, it's not true.
And we know they're lying.
It is so insane, the lies.
ian crossland
The very least, how would they know it was fake?
The most you can know is that you don't know if it's real or you don't know if it's fake.
tim pool
I'll tell you this.
I'll tell you this.
At the very least, don't you think it warrants a special prosecutor and a three year long
investigation?
Maybe we can get Bob Mueller on this one, huh?
unidentified
Yeah, man.
seamus coughlin
I don't know, Tim.
Maybe Hunter's just a savant, and he started there as a janitor, and he was writing on the chalkboards, and he just knew everything about energy he needed to know, and they're like, let's give him a $50,000 to $80,000 a month position, despite the fact that he literally has no formal training in anything related to this field.
tim pool
And now, man, I tell you what, I was watching The Five earlier, and sometimes I wonder if, like, they put Juan Williams on that show just to get someone to, like, you know, like a punching bag.
Because the dude, just, he's very emotional and clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.
And so they're all laughing at him.
I'm like, this is so weird to watch.
Like, Jesse Waters is laughing at him, how dummy.
It's not like...
That's kind of mean, man.
seamus coughlin
That's very mean.
tim pool
So Juan Williams is like, I read the Wall Street Journal.
It says Joe Biden was not officially on any roles.
And then they're all laughing at him.
And they're like, because the accusation is not that Joe Biden joined a company in China when he was vice president.
The accusation is that while Joe Biden was vice president, he flew his son, Hunter Biden, Air Force Two to China for private equity investment deals.
That literally happened.
And then later on, we learned that one of these deals ended up getting a $5 million loan to the Biden family.
Tony Bobulinski got offended by this and said, they went behind my back and made millions of dollars.
I wonder if the reason Bobulinski is coming out is because he realized when these emails got leaked.
They straight up, they knifed him in the back.
He's supposed to be this guy who's working with them to do this big deal.
They tell him, nah, we're not going to do it.
Then he sees in the email, it's like, we get $5 million in a forgivable loan with no interest.
He's like, what?
Where's my cut?
I'm dropping the documents.
And then he published audio.
He gave it to Tucker.
Where he's on the phone with these guys and they're like, Tony, you're going to bury all of us, man.
Yeah.
I think they realized they screwed this dude over.
And now I'm not going to impugn the honor, Tony Bobulinski.
I don't know why he's coming forward now, but I do want to point this out.
If he knew that he was meeting with Joe Biden in secret, it's like part of the story he told you, like in the bar, like no one can see them and they're talking.
If he knew the goal was to peddle influence, He's only coming out now.
He waited this long.
He complains about them making money.
To be fair, he said that he tried everything to stop it when he realized they weren't doing a legitimate deal.
It was an influence deal.
And then he found out later they made millions of dollars from the Chinese behind his back.
So his story is he thought he stopped it.
And then he found out later they went forward with this influence peddling and he's mad about it.
Respectable.
I mean, the dude's a veteran.
I got no reason to.
ian crossland
It's also possible that he would have been implicated if he didn't work with the FBI on this.
unidentified
I think so.
I don't know, though.
tim pool
I mean, perhaps.
Or perhaps the FBI has got a bunch of crooked people in it and they're not going to go after the Bidens because they hate Trump so much.
seamus coughlin
Entirely political.
tim pool
Dude, I tell you what, man.
I can't imagine that the things we're seeing to this scale are just... I don't know how to describe it, man.
But you've got some deeply crooked people in this country.
And, you know, seeing what happened with Glenn Greenwald, The Intercept, there are evil... This is the craziest thing to me.
How do you describe someone who knows they're lying and cheating to help corrupt individuals to stop because they hate Trump?
Like, how do you describe someone that's willing to subvert the will of the people?
That's the antithesis of this country, of democratic values, of liberalism, like classical liberalism, the idea of the individual.
seamus coughlin
Not even just classical liberalism, but basic human decency.
tim pool
I mean, if you were a monarchist, or a despotist, if that's such a thing, or maybe a feudalist, you'd absolutely love your lords lording over you with unlimited power.
And you'd want to serve them and just do whatever they want, if you're an authoritarian or a communist, I suppose.
There are people in this country, in media and in government, who know that Joe Biden did these things, and they're going to protect him because orange man bad.
seamus coughlin
Well, this is the irony of it, though.
I actually think under a lot of those systems, people would be more likely to say, this person, even though they're in a position of authority over me, they're hopelessly corrupt and I might not abide by that.
Well, I mean, they would because the system would require that they would, but it seems as if when you're in a democratic system and the leaders are chosen, you have to justify their behavior more often to justify your decision to have chosen them in the first place.
So I think people are more likely to get on board and rationalize this kind of horrible behavior.
tim pool
I just think you've got blind tribalist zealots.
seamus coughlin
Well, I think you're undermining the public's faith in our intelligence community and our media institutions.
unidentified
Good!
ian crossland
The NSA.
tim pool
Yeah, great!
Absolutely.
ian crossland
And Homeland Security.
tim pool
What's really funny is when I was reading some of the criticisms about Glenn Greenwald, I'm just like, I'm right there.
There's a bunch of journalists.
Who all of a sudden have become staunchly anti-democratic party for some reason.
seamus coughlin
Yep.
tim pool
And so people are like, Tim Pool's right wing.
And I thought about it and I'm like, there's a lot of reasons.
But a really good example is the media is a propaganda arm of the Democratic Party.
And there's no denying it at this point.
seamus coughlin
Literally no denying it at all.
ian crossland
I'm going to go up the chain to the Council on Foreign Relations.
tim pool
That's where Joe Biden was when he said, Son of a B, I got fired.
He was at a meeting for the CFR, and he was like, so I go and I got a billion dollar loan, and I say, if you don't fire the prosecutor, you're not getting the money.
It's all on video.
ian crossland
And that company, I don't know, to be honest.
If anyone in the chat knows where the funding goes to these media organizations, because a lot of them get funding from the same places.
tim pool
I think we've got cultists, man.
I'll tell you what, I'll tell you what.
Every single thing they do they project they say 100% and it's and it's bad like, you know Trump is a death cult It's like dude Trump's got his sycophants for sure, but most people don't even think the name Trump on an average basis It's just oh, yeah, those free trade agreements are bad and they're gonna vote for him Well, also, I think that Trump's critics talk about him more than his supporters do.
Yeah, definitely.
seamus coughlin
That's been one of the strangest things about the past four years is Trump is just on everyone's mind all the time, and it's not voluntary.
The media is constantly talking about him, and it makes sense to talk about the president pretty frequently.
They have in the past, but not like Trump.
And you could say, well, he's an unprecedented president.
He does a lot of things that we haven't seen in the past, but It clearly goes past that.
It's a very strange obsession, and they like to nitpick, and we were talking about the two scoops thing earlier.
ian crossland
Right, right, right.
tim pool
Yeah, and then- Well, so that was meant to be silly.
It was kind of meant to be silly, but- But the salt and pepper shaker thing was serious.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Well, and also, they were claiming as soon as he got into the White House that he, like, removed a bust of Martin Luther King Jr., like, just cartoon villain stuff.
tim pool
Not even true, yeah.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
tim pool
It was like, it's in a photo, like, this story comes out, and they're like, he removed Martin Luther King, and the photo they used shows it, like, on the desk.
seamus coughlin
Oh my gosh.
Even if that was the kind of thing Trump wanted to do, don't you think he would know better?
Aren't they always accusing right-wingers of dog-whistling?
tim pool
And only they can hear it?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, only they can hear it.
Which is so insane, because if I am a racist with a racist base, wouldn't I just say racist things?
Why would I say things that my base doesn't understand or think are racist when they're supposedly racist, but that Democrats will get mad about anyway?
That seems like a lose-lose for me.
tim pool
I think we're facing a very serious crisis in this country, man.
ian crossland
I do too, since the Clinton email scandal.
tim pool
Yeah, so Hillary Clinton destroyed public record.
Her team, I should be very careful, her people destroyed using bleach bit, purged the server.
Hammers on phones, destroying them, after she was subpoenaed to turn it over.
Nothing happened.
Nothing.
She is still romping about super wealthy.
Joe Biden, we see this is happening.
I tell you why I think we're headed for a very, very serious crisis.
You've got a large group of people who understand the media is lying about literally everything.
Okay, when I say literally, I mean figuratively.
ian crossland
I mean literally.
seamus coughlin
I don't think they've told the truth once.
tim pool
Well, no, no, no.
In politics.
But, like, when the New York Times talks about certain things, of course, I'm literally using ABC, you know, source.
ian crossland
I don't think it's partisan either because, like, the war in the Middle East and then Halliburton, Dick Cheney's company goes in and makes billions of dollars off of them.
tim pool
And Joe Biden's brother in Iraq.
Makes millions of dollars.
seamus coughlin
And Boeing sponsors Meet the Press, and MSNBC is owned by General Electric, which supplies weaponry and, excuse me, tools to the military that they make a lot of money off of.
ian crossland
Dow Chemical makes pharmaceuticals and high-fructose corn syrup.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
No, they make a ton of things.
seamus coughlin
I don't know about that.
tim pool
No, you guys want to know the real conspiracy?
The real conspiracy.
The real beauty campaign from Dove.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
seamus coughlin
I didn't know about this.
tim pool
You've seen it, right?
All the women, they're like, you know, plus size models.
seamus coughlin
I remember this.
Do you know who owns Dove?
tim pool
Unilever.
Do you know what other company that Unilever owns?
seamus coughlin
Oh no.
tim pool
Ben and Jerry's.
seamus coughlin
Oh my goodness.
You know what my conspiracy theory is?
What if Biden is faking his cognitive decline and he's actually a very sharp criminal mastermind?
He just doesn't want to get put on the stand.
tim pool
That's what I said.
He's going to wonk us.
unidentified
Yeah, he sure is.
tim pool
It's gonna be inauguration day and he's gonna be, like, looking all silly and then he's gonna fall backwards, do a perfect, like, backwards somersault and then be like, Now I gotcha!
I'm back, baby, I'm Joe Biden, this country is mine!
And then a bunch of, like, Chinese guys run out and they're, like, making it rain.
Oh, man.
Anyway.
unidentified
I'm looking forward to this.
tim pool
We've got a bunch of, uh, now that we just made everything sound silly.
seamus coughlin
This is serious.
We have to laugh or we're going to cry.
ian crossland
How long has it been corrupt?
Since Nixon?
seamus coughlin
I don't know who assassinated Kennedy.
unidentified
What do you guys think about the Kennedy assassination?
tim pool
I want to highlight who James Rosen is.
James Rosen was investigated by the Department of Justice Eric Holder As a possible criminal co-conspirator because he was reporting on the news.
Fox News said, we are outraged to learn today that James Rosen was named a criminal co-conspirator for simply doing his job as a reporter.
Obama prosecuted more whistleblowers and leakers than, I believe, all other presidents combined.
This guy, Obama, not good on civil liberties.
ian crossland
I thought he was going to like seal the Patriot Act, man.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, well, he talked about all that, all the civil libertarian-esque things that he intended to do, and then he got in office, and his administration did a bunch of things that he supposedly didn't know about.
That was the excuse that we heard for about eight years.
I remember one of my favorite was when the IRS was targeting and auditing conservative-leaning organizations.
That was just something the president didn't know anything about.
If Donald Trump had done that, that would be creeping fascism.
But Obama didn't.
I was like, well, he just didn't know, guys.
He wore a tan suit and you freaked out about that.
This is basically the same thing.
tim pool
Basically the same.
I love, somebody tweeted, don't you remember, don't you wish for the days when the only
scandal was Obama's tan suit?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
And I'm like, I know, right?
Like, you know, he wore a tan suit in order to drone strike on a civilian restaurant in Yemen that killed a 16-year-old American citizen, but he wore a tan suit, can you believe it?
seamus coughlin
What was it, like, over 3,000 illegal drone strikes under his administration?
tim pool
Well, Trump has upped drone strikes, and he deserves criticism for it.
unidentified
100%.
seamus coughlin
Wow.
He's kept us in Yemen.
He's kept us aiding the Saudis in the horrific human rights atrocities they're committing in Yemen.
He's done bad things.
tim pool
Trump's first several years Very bad.
And John Bolton, huge mistake.
One of the first things that Trump did when he got in was he ordered a commando raid in Yemen, which resulted in the death of a little girl.
So Trump has his foreign policy blunders as well.
I'm looking at the current trend of these peace agreements and withdrawing our troops, and I'm like, keep doing that, and you've got my support.
Obama, however, was a hawk.
A hawk, dude, come on.
He was some kind of strange hook Frankenstein flying monster that was breathing fire.
seamus coughlin
He was a drone.
He was literally a drone.
unidentified
He was literally a human drone, yeah.
seamus coughlin
He was a human drone.
tim pool
Are we allowed to say really awful edgy jokes?
We are, right?
unidentified
I think so.
I don't know.
tim pool
I don't know about that.
seamus coughlin
You want to hear a joke?
No, you're going to get me in trouble.
You're going to get all of us in trouble.
tim pool
You want to hear an Obama-era joke?
unidentified
Yes.
I'm scared.
seamus coughlin
No, I don't.
tim pool
It's about war.
It's not about race or anything like that.
seamus coughlin
I'm so scared.
unidentified
Sure, yeah.
ian crossland
Just replace any words with any other words.
tim pool
It's an Obama-era joke the leftists say all the time.
seamus coughlin
We're going to cut Tim's mic.
unidentified
No, I'm kidding.
tim pool
Ready?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
What's the difference between a school and a terrorist headquarters?
seamus coughlin
Oh, no.
tim pool
I don't know.
I just fly the drone.
seamus coughlin
Oh, that's horrible.
unidentified
Oh, God.
tim pool
That's horrible.
That's an Obama-era joke.
That's an Obama-era joke.
seamus coughlin
It's horrible, but there is truth to the fact that there were a lot of civilians killed under Obama's watch, despite the fact that he talked a big game about wanting to bring about world peace, despite the fact that he won a Nobel Peace Prize.
unidentified
I love it.
seamus coughlin
Everyone points that out.
tim pool
And then, you know what he did when they started killing civilians?
unidentified
They were like, well, You know, those guys.
tim pool
They're adult men.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So, military-age men.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
So not civilians.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
That was the play.
seamus coughlin
It's horrific.
It's horrific.
ian crossland
Obama, bad.
George Bush Jr., obviously, Middle East wars.
tim pool
They're all bad.
seamus coughlin
Clinton, bad.
George Bush Sr.
Isn't it kind of interesting that we were just discussing earlier some of the foreign policy blunders which have taken place under Trump, which is like kind of an understated blunder.
tim pool
No new wars?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, but the reality is he has been less hawkish than any other president of my lifetime, certainly.
that said, funny that the media hasn't criticized him for any of that stuff.
It's funny that the media hasn't criticized him for any of the people who have died because
of his foreign policy mistakes.
tim pool
No, it's not.
ian crossland
I didn't know anything about the drone strike uppage.
tim pool
I've heard about it.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, no, we never heard a thing about it.
It wasn't a story.
tim pool
No, no, no.
Don't you realize when Joe Biden gets elected, it's going to be tenfold, man.
unidentified
He's gonna light the floor up.
tim pool
I was talking to somebody I knew, who was like, it's time, everybody, you've gotta go and vote for Joe Biden to stop this.
And I said something like, I was like, I can totally understand why people don't like Donald Trump, you know, his character and some of the things he's done, blah blah blah.
And then I was just like, you're just never going to be able to convince me to vote for the guy who was vice president while they were blowing up kids.
And the response was, what do you mean blowing up kids?
Exactly.
What do you mean, Blunga?
In New York, some activists did this art where it was one of these NYPD advertisements.
You know that silhouette image of the father and the kids and they're holding hands and running?
It's like an immigrant thing.
And then it showed a drone flying above and a line with a missile flying towards them.
ian crossland
Did Reagan get us into a new war?
Reagan, was he a war hawk?
tim pool
I don't think I was alive.
ian crossland
I wasn't.
I was barely.
tim pool
Oh yeah, I was too.
ian crossland
Carter, the media hated.
And I think he really didn't get us into much war, Jimmy Carter.
seamus coughlin
He was probably a bit more dovish.
I mean, I'm not a fan of Carter, but he definitely was not as much of a hawk based on what I'm aware of.
ian crossland
And the media trashed that guy.
He's thought of as the worst president.
seamus coughlin
He's a peanut farmer.
I mean, I'm not a fan of him at all, but I hear ya.
tim pool
Right now, we have, it was really funny, someone, I saw some leftist post on Facebook that Obama didn't get us into any new wars.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
And I was like, how could you say that?
Syria, what are you talking about?
seamus coughlin
They'll literally drone make anything up.
tim pool
Libyan intervention in Syria, just right off the bat, like what do you mean?
seamus coughlin
What about Yemen?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
seamus coughlin
What about the fact that he decided he wanted to placate the Saudis after making a deal with the Iranians, and now civilians?
ian crossland
That you can call Vietnam's wasn't a war, that's what's crazy about it, it was a military action.
Because they didn't have congressional support.
seamus coughlin
There was never declared war.
ian crossland
So you didn't have to declare war to kill hundreds of thousands of people.
seamus coughlin
It wasn't a war.
We just killed hundreds of thousands of people and sent our troops over there with guns and a bunch of them died as well.
tim pool
There was a really great article, and I think this was in The Intercept, actually, which we'll get into next, that said something like, strangely, for the first time in several decades, the president is trying to withdraw forces and it's Congress trying to stop him.
Whereas historically, the president has been trying to deploy forces and Congress has been trying to stop him.
seamus coughlin
Keeping the forever wars going to own Trump?
tim pool
and now all of the craziest thing is when i hear these like lefty friends of
mine being like well actually we definitely the presence in syria acts like
yeah no joke we we must maintain a presence in the russia fear and it's
seamus coughlin
not because of we must defend the kurds i've noticed this is while actually
that there is a I won't give too much information, but he has always just been very to the left, and he was always very against the wars from day one.
I remember that seemed to be his primary issue under the Bush administration.
He was always talking about how we shouldn't be involved in the Middle East, and now he's criticizing Trump for not wanting a presence in Syria.
tim pool
I love it.
seamus coughlin
That makes him a Russian puppet.
It's insane!
It's completely insane.
People completely flip on their values.
You would think the anti-war thing would be something the left would stick to.
I wish.
ian crossland
I learned my lesson with Obama, man.
We had Sean Parnell came on and was explaining why we don't want to just pull every troop out all at once because it creates a vacuum that then will be filled by military.
unidentified
Warlords and things like that. By the people we create, by the people we fund. Exactly.
ian crossland
So it's a problem we created but pulling out isn't the solution to the problem. No, no, no.
tim pool
That's what they say. They say that every time. No, no, no, no, you're incorrect. Oh, continue.
He said that we absolutely need some kind of presence but we can pull it down, we can draw it
down like significantly. Slowly without pulling out a lot.
Yeah, well he said we can take a lot of our current forces out of these places and still
maintain a small enough presence to prevent the vacuum from creating.
ian crossland
But like my friend who was in the military in Afghanistan, Charles Maxwell, shout out Charles if you're watching, said they just don't want to fight.
Those guys, the Iraqis, the Afghanis, they just don't, not only did they not really, for the most part, they didn't want to fight, they didn't know how, they weren't trained.
tim pool
It's not our responsibility.
ian crossland
Well we created it.
tim pool
Exactly.
Listen, listen, you know, I think it was Ron Paul who said something like... My man.
He said something like, people keep saying, oh, but if we pull out now, this, that, or that will happen.
And he goes, when you're a doctor and you've given someone the wrong medication, you don't simply say, well, we better just keep you on it.
You say, we better get you off this.
And so there's been no effort, in my opinion at least, to do something about this.
And at a certain point, look, I understand there's bigger arguments about, oh, the Chinese will move in, or Russia will move in, or whatever.
And it's like, you know what, man?
Do the American people agree that we should be funding sending our, you know, men and women in uniform overseas just to live and build roads and build cities there and be effectively the government because the people there don't want to run it?
I don't think they do.
seamus coughlin
No, of course not.
tim pool
But the problem is, when you elect a president who says, I'm gonna end our forever wars, and then he tries and Congress blocks him, it's clear, based on what we see with the media, what we're seeing with Joe Biden, what he gets away with, what the FBI, who they prosecute, who they don't, how Michael Flynn gets charged, how you get all this Russiagate nonsense, you know it's a big club and you ain't in it, you can see who is, and as long as you support their war machine, you're good.
So when Donald Trump ups Jones strikes, you didn't even hear about it.
seamus coughlin
Nope, it's not a big deal to them.
tim pool
They can't criticize that.
Then what happens if slash when Joe Biden wins, and then they're going to be like,
hey, remember you talked about Jones strikes. What's Biden doing? Oh, well, we like them now.
seamus coughlin
Well, that's the thing. Joe Biden is such a hawk. He was pushing for war in Iraq as far back as 1997.
ian crossland
Can you explain? Yeah, keep going, sir.
seamus coughlin
Well, what I wanted to get into really was the fact that we were gloating in the late 70s about the fact that we had
essentially given Russia their own Vietnam by getting them involved in the Middle East and
by funding the Mujahideen.
And there were some people arguing that part of the reason that this actually accelerated the collapse of their government, it increased social instability.
They were spreading themselves too thin by trying to be involved in this region.
Whether or not you agree with all that, it's kind of ridiculous that our strategy was to get them involved in the Middle East and fund different Terror groups, which we didn't call them back then.
We just called them rebellions.
Freedom fighters.
Rebellions, freedom fighters.
Now we're fighting them and they're terrorists.
But we seem to think that it would be the worst possible thing for Russia to get involved in that region.
So we tried to get them involved and we funded their enemies.
And then we literally fell into the same trap like a decade later and we're still there.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Now I get it.
seamus coughlin
And we're also fighting the people we like gave weapons.
unidentified
Yeah.
seamus coughlin
Like this is a repeating pattern though, right?
We created Al Qaeda and then we created ISIS.
ian crossland
The idea is that they want limited war, so that we don't have total war.
basically they're trying to avoid a world war sort of but also that there's
seamus coughlin
this really insidious thing where so when you look at what happened in Libya
and the fact that we decided for whatever reason that having Gaddafi
remained in power was no longer something that was politically
tim pool
advantageous for you want like some kind of African Union of some sort of
unidentified
something I'm not you want to know I'm not exactly I know I'm not exactly sure
seamus coughlin
what the reasoning was but I know that they ended up funding a coup against him
and essentially the people dragged him out into the street castrated him
sodomized him and murdered him I mean, I apologize, but the reason I'm being graphic here is because this is something that obviously we could never do to a foreign leader with our military, but if we fund a coup that does something horrifically cruel to a foreign leader, maybe we're just a little bit more intimidating, but we haven't violated the Geneva Convention.
ian crossland
And then if we ever want to go in and overthrow them, they did some horrible war crimes, so we've got an excuse.
tim pool
After all that happened, I know some people who are doing work in diplomacy, international relations, And I was told one story about how after Libya was completely destabilized, you had essentially a Goblin King type scenario where, you know how the Goblin King works?
No, I do.
To become Goblin King, you kill the Goblin King and then you're the Goblin King.
seamus coughlin
Oh, that's right.
tim pool
So it's a cycle of just kill and then everyone piling the bodies on top and trying to- It's like the Roman Empire.
So you had all these different militia groups, different sects, constantly fighting, taking over, and there was one point where when they finally got a, I'm doing air quotes here, stable government, one of the militias just walked in for a meeting and pulled a pin on a grenade and slammed it on the table.
Like, that was one of the stories I heard from one of the people working in, like, yeah.
unidentified
Wow, dude.
seamus coughlin
It's insane.
Crazy.
tim pool
Yup.
Like, we're in charge now.
Boom!
Grenade on the table.
seamus coughlin
And that's the sad thing.
It seemed, or I should say it seems, or it has seemed for a number of years that no matter which party is in power, this is ongoing.
But Trump has actually been trying to remove us from this.
And I don't know if it's because he has these sort of bleeding heart humanitarian concerns that we might have, but he realizes that this isn't good for the American people.
tim pool
Yeah, it's a waste of money.
seamus coughlin
It's a waste of money.
And a waste of human life, and it increases social instability.
There's nothing there for us.
ian crossland
After World War II, so I think to explain the counterpoint a little bit, they created the military-industrial complex Dwight D. Eisenhower talked about, where they started building American military bases all over the world to prevent World War III.
Because World War II happened because everybody was isolated, one country got two.
tim pool
And now we had nukes.
ian crossland
And now a bunch of people have nukes, and we have all these military bases.
And the fear is, if we disarm and withdraw, that another country will just fill that gap.
tim pool
Yep.
ian crossland
And maybe they would.
That's the counterpoint.
tim pool
Could you imagine if some other country was trapped in a two-decade-long foreign entanglement that was draining their resources?
ian crossland
Military bases in Canada and in Mexico and nuclear submarines off the coast of Washington, D.C.?
I mean, that's literally what we've got over there.
tim pool
That is right, right, right, right.
I'm saying we, I think it's time we bring our troops home.
And you know what?
I'd be willing to have, you know, in that conversation with Sean Parnell, maintaining a much, much toned down presence just to prevent, you know, ISIS from forming and things like that.
seamus coughlin
Well, it's funny.
There's this whole debate over whether or not we should have a tiny presence there or no presence there.
I think we should cross that bridge when we get to it.
Let's just get the presence limited to some degree before we debate whether or not we should completely remove ourselves from these regions.
ian crossland
It definitely has to do with diplomacy with China and Russia.
seamus coughlin
Like, let's just not start a new war.
Let's not start a new war every 10 years.
And he hasn't.
tim pool
And they're mad.
seamus coughlin
This is the first president in 40 years.
The first president in 40 years to not start a new war.
And on top of that, this is hilarious, they start saying without any evidence that he was colluding with the Russians.
And we saw back in 2012 Romney, who is the poster boy for the neoconservative foreign policy and sort of establishment conservatism.
Trying to push for an escalation of tensions with Russia, claiming that they're our next big foreign policy threat.
The Democrats have also adopted that position now.
And isn't it awfully convenient that that's the foreign power that they claim Trump was conspiring with without any evidence?
Because when he doesn't want to escalate tensions with them, oh, that's just proof.
That's just evidence that he's really working for them.
tim pool
Yup.
Or when he says, I don't want a missile strike.
He's doing what Putin wants.
It's Putin's bidding.
Can you believe?
Can you stop for just one moment?
Everybody listening, hear these words.
Just think about how the past four years, and even to this day, they are saying that Donald Trump is secretly working for Vladimir Putin.
seamus coughlin
Psychotic.
tim pool
My favorite thing.
seamus coughlin
Psychotic.
tim pool
So y'all heard about Tucker Carlson and, you know, his documents go missing.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
Tucker never said he didn't have any copies.
He never said that.
And I actually was talking, someone mentioned to me, there are copies.
It's just, I guess Tucker's point was we were shipping documents and someone intercepted them.
Now, apparently UPS found them, which makes sense.
Someone wanted to see what he had.
They went through it, they put them back.
Probably made copies of them.
The news media is at it again.
What a shock.
Of course it's possible.
writes, Tucker says he lost the only copies of evidence that would nail Biden.
He never said that. He never said that. And more importantly, Jonathan Chait is the
guy who went on MSNBC and said that it's possible Donald Trump was a Russian
asset since 1987. Of course it's possible. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, that would imply
Donald Trump was a Soviet asset. That's why we talked about this.
unidentified
We talked about this.
tim pool
The Soviet Union is secretly still in existence.
ian crossland
It's possible that he has like 30 cows in his collar right now.
tim pool
Could you imagine this idea that Trump was an asset of the Soviets and the Soviet institutions are still in effect?
Poland is just keeping it secret and we don't know.
And all the people who live there don't know either.
seamus coughlin
East Germany?
unidentified
That's right.
tim pool
They're still there.
seamus coughlin
That is like the most paranoid far-right conspiracy theory I've ever heard in my life, but it's the left wing which is espousing it.
The idea that the USSR is still operating and the President of the United States...
I believe that Russia has spread her errors, but the idea that they're still functioning as a communist government in some limited capacity and that the President of the United States is their puppet is totally insane.
Or maybe they could be arguing that after the USSR fell apart, there was new management and Trump just decided to stick around.
I don't know.
But I'm not sure why he would have been loyal to the communist government in the first place.
I don't understand it.
tim pool
Because he's wanted money, I guess?
ian crossland
We should be upholding Russia, in my opinion, as a beacon of hope of what you can do with a communist regime.
seamus coughlin
What you can do once you walk out.
ian crossland
They democratized their communists.
They overthrew the Soviet party.
tim pool
And then oligarchs went around with guns.
ian crossland
Same in the United States.
We've got oligarchs running a show with guns.
tim pool
You know what the craziest thing is?
Let me tell you a story.
The crazy thing is about the fall of the Soviet Union.
I'm far from an expert, but I have a friend.
I know people who are in Ukraine and people from Poland and stuff.
I asked, like, how is it that, you know, Ukraine has all these oligarchs, people who have, you know, ridiculous sums of money, they're wealthy by American standard, like, they're billionaires, you know?
And the people of Ukraine, their GDP, like, they make an average of, like, 400 bucks a month.
And I had a friend who told me, after communism collapsed, all of a sudden you had these communist workers in a factory shrugging at each other.
What do we do?
Do we keep making stuff?
And then all of a sudden, one day, a guy walks in with two other dudes and they all have guns, and he says, we're gonna tell you what you do.
You take orders from me now.
And they went, you got it, boss.
And that was it.
There was no more power.
It was a vacuum.
So the dudes who picked up the guns went around and just took the factories, and then it was theirs.
ian crossland
You know, I tried to watch a documentary about the transition from the Soviet to the, what do you call it, the Democratic Yeah, I remember seeing a clip of that.
is it the United? I have no idea. Whatever the Russian Federation and it's the dude with
the Gorbachev and he and like a group.
You put your head. Yeah, I think it's it with the birthmark.
tim pool
Didn't he do a Pizza Hut commercial and it was like this huge big thing? I think you're right.
seamus coughlin
Yeah. Yeah. I remember seeing a clip of that. Yeah. They basically put Jason. Hey, did
you know that? Do you know that Trump did a Domino's commercial? Yes.
tim pool
He did a pizza commercial, too.
seamus coughlin
Was he in a Michael Jackson video?
ian crossland
No, he was in Home Alone.
tim pool
Trump did the eat the pizza backwards thing with the stuffed crust.
unidentified
Yes, exactly.
seamus coughlin
Only half that one.
tim pool
What was it?
seamus coughlin
Oh, right, yes, yes.
I get the pizza goes only half.
tim pool
That was his first wife, wasn't it?
seamus coughlin
Did everyone working for the USSR get a Pizza Hut deal?
unidentified
Is that what happened?
seamus coughlin
That'd be cool, yeah.
unidentified
I like that, yeah.
tim pool
No, that was the fall of the Communist Party.
ian crossland
My point about the transition from the Soviets to the Russian Federation is that it was very obfuscated.
I don't know How it happened, what happened, and maybe it was behind the scenes, a bunch of oligarchs.
tim pool
The craziest thing was, I don't know if you, was it you telling me this?
Who told me this?
Oh, no, no.
It's like it was Michael Malice.
That after the fall of communism and these documents, like these dossiers and all the people were released, like their darkest secrets, there was just like a code of silence where everyone knew like the really awful things others had done and just agreed not to bring it up because everyone knew what they did too.
It's like a really crazy thing.
Anyway, Donald Trump, not an asset of the Soviet Union.
We don't know that for sure.
seamus coughlin
It's possible.
ian crossland
A lot of things are possible.
tim pool
It's possible that all of the pollsters are colluding with each other and laughing and saying, add a one, add a one, change that negative to a plus.
seamus coughlin
It's possible that we actually wouldn't know.
unidentified
That's true.
tim pool
Wouldn't it be funny if, like, all the polls are actually inverted, and they're like, oh, we got another one, it's minus five for Biden.
Just put another line to the minus.
unidentified
That'd be funny.
seamus coughlin
It's like, plus five for Biden?
No, I don't know, man.
tim pool
Double negative.
Yeah, man.
It's gonna be interesting nonetheless.
I'm looking at, it's really funny on Twitter, you see all the leftists with their, like, electoral college predictions, and it's like Joe Biden, 350-something, Donald Trump, like, you know, 210.
And then you have all the right-wing people.
It's inverted.
It's like Donald Trump 30-something and you know whatever.
I will say though, Trafalgar Group on November 8th, 2016 tweeted out the exact electoral college breakdown.
Trump 306, Clinton 232.
And then a day later, the results came in.
They got three states wrong.
They said Wisconsin was going to be, I think, red.
Or, I don't know, I don't know which one.
I think, yeah, yeah, yeah.
They said New Hampshire would be red, and Wisconsin would be blue, and Nevada would be red.
But Nevada and New Hampshire, I think, went blue, but Wisconsin went red, giving Trump the extra 10.
That put him to 306.
So, no one knows what's going to happen.
But I want to continue this conversation ragging on the media, because, you know, I love to do that.
ian crossland
That's fun.
seamus coughlin
I hate doing that.
Glenn Greenwald.
unidentified
Fake news.
ian crossland
I step away from the media as I do during the day sometimes, and when I turn it on and I just see them talking about Trump, I freak.
tim pool
It's just so weird!
I'm so over it.
Check out this story from the Daily Mail.
I'm telling you, man, when they write about this era with Donald Trump and Russiagate, this story is going to be one of the key portions of it, highlighted in the history books.
And as much as there's probably a lot of people, you can't see it when you're in it.
ian crossland
That's what I feel about these riots right now, too.
It's just like the 60s all over.
tim pool
They're going to be like the riots of 2020.
They are going to write about the day Glenn Greenwald resigned and issued a scathing resignation letter saying that the people at his company are suppressing information.
They refused to allow him to write about a major scandal involving the presidential candidate's son.
And they wouldn't even let him publish in a third party, so he's forced to resign.
Now we have the Barry Weiss resignation at the New York Times, saying it's like, it's a woke brigade, you can't go, like everyone's, it's ridiculous, it's not even news anymore.
You had Matt Taibbi leave Rolling Stone, now he's publishing his own news on his own sub-stack and charging a couple bucks.
Glenn Greenwald, the founder of The Intercept, this like, I remember when the NSA leaks dropped, and Glenn Greenwald and Laura Poitras, we had all this information, we learned about all this crazy stuff the NSA was doing, Edward Snowden flew And so now we're going to have this new beacon of hope in journalism.
It's crazy Glenn Greenwald goes to Brazil launches the intercept with Pierre Omidyar
There's a lot of criticism because Omidyar is the I think is the eBay guy
And so now we're gonna have this new beacon of hope in journalism
Today Glenn Greenwald forced to resign from his own company, and he said he started it to prevent
Exactly what it's become Media the news media in this country has become a
propaganda arm of the Democratic Party Period.
seamus coughlin
So whose money got involved that prevented him from being able to publish this story?
Because it seems to me the biggest problem here is he didn't stay independent.
There's clearly some financer who was able to push him around.
tim pool
I don't think that's, I think it's that, and I don't know to what extent Glenn Greenwald manages this company, but if he's the founder, I mean it's his fault.
He let a wolf into the hen house.
ian crossland
Did he send the company public?
tim pool
Or was it a fox?
seamus coughlin
It's a fox.
Either would be bad.
tim pool
And actually fox is unfair.
It was actually a bunch of foxes and they were wearing gigantic fake chicken suits and they were like walking in and he's like, looks good to me!
seamus coughlin
That's what they say about fox and chicken suit clothing.
tim pool
And then eventually he's sitting in this chicken coop wondering why there's no eggs coming out and he's like, Well, you know, I'm gonna go, you know, get a chicken here.
And they were like, No!
You can't have chickens make eggs here.
And he's like, I literally created this.
And then all of a sudden, the chicken suits come off.
It was foxes the whole time.
seamus coughlin
The whole time.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
But we're in that moment right before the chicken suits come off.
He just wonders why he couldn't get any eggs.
tim pool
No, he was on.
seamus coughlin
What a poetic way of putting it.
This is the moment.
That's how they're gonna describe in history books.
The moment before the chicken suits came off.
I hope that what we discussed... When Glenn Greenwald left the Intercept.
tim pool
There'll be like a historical record of some sort and it'll be like Glenn Greenwald's resignation was heralded, you know, and touted as this historic moment by podcaster and commentator and journalist Tim Pool, who said, it was like a bunch of foxes wearing chicken suits pulling their chicken suits off all at the same time.
unidentified
Tim Pool's famous chicken suit talk.
What are the great quotes of broadcasters in all of history?
tim pool
Tim Pool said that all of the foxes were wearing chicken suits and then all one at a time took off their chicken suits.
unidentified
That's right.
tim pool
and they're gonna be like, and what did Tim Pool say on that fateful night when
news media changed? Tim Pool said that all of the foxes were wearing chicken
suits and then all one at a time took off their chicken suits. That's right. And
there's gonna be like reenactments. The foxes were in chicken suits and the
seamus coughlin
chicken suits came off.
And then it's going to like get turned into some folk story where Tim Pool stumbled upon chicken suit wearing foxes in a literal penthouse and fought them all off.
tim pool
In a thousand years, there's going to be like... More like 200 years.
seamus coughlin
It'll be like Abe Lincoln or George Washington's cherry tree.
tim pool
No, but like in a thousand years it'll be the epic of the chicken suit and it'll be a story about like Dom Pala, like the name's wrong and they're like the Chorkinsots and they're like, I wonder what a Chorkinsot was, you know what I mean?
And a Forks.
What are these things?
We don't know.
I wonder what they really meant.
Anyway, now that we're very, very silly.
ian crossland
My question about the Intercept, I don't know if you can draw it up, Lydia, if it's too much, is if it's a public company, if they took it.
tim pool
No, no, it's not.
ian crossland
So it was a private, he never went public, and he still gave stock to too many people, so he lost 51% of the equity or something?
tim pool
No, no, no, it was privately funded by Piero Mediar.
I don't know how he set up the corporate structure, but I'll tell you this.
If you start a company, even if you're the founder, and you have 100 employees, and then one day it turns out they're all in a cult, what are you going to do?
Are you going to fire everybody?
ian crossland
Well, you can if you're the owner, if you have more than 51%.
tim pool
I don't know to what extent, I don't know how Glenn Greenwald organized this company, but it seems like he put himself in a position where he was just a personality.
And he signed over the company to Omidyar.
ian crossland
Omidyar the money.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe that Omidyar was running it and I'll tell you what.
That's sad.
I'll tell you what, it's kind of funny because it falls in line with kind of what we were predicting when he did it.
You want to launch a news company and you get someone like Pierre Omidyar, this ultra-wealthy dude, don't be surprised when he eventually walks in and puts a boot down over all of your work and then you're forced to resign.
seamus coughlin
It just seems inevitable.
The editor-in-chief, Betsy Reid, said that he was throwing a tantrum and that his claims were preposterous.
Yeah, how do we feel about that?
tim pool
They're lying.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
I've talked about this quite a bit.
That Glenn Greenwald will say something reasonable, like these stories about Russia are ridiculous and there's no evidence.
seamus coughlin
100%.
tim pool
And then a day later someone at the Intercept writes Donald Trump is a crooked, you know, Russian asset.
I don't think they've said that at the Intercept, but they write like the most ridiculous.
A known fascist president, Donald Trump, does blah blah blah.
I love that journalism technique.
Where they do the unnecessary qualifier, sort of like?
seamus coughlin
Yes, yes, 100%.
tim pool
So instead of saying something like, you know, they could say, animator and comedian, you know, Seamus Coghlan, am I pronouncing it right?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, Coghlan, you got it right.
I was gonna say O'Rourke, Seamus O'Rourke.
tim pool
And then what they'll do is they'll go, they'll say, Seamus Coghlan, comma, a far-right extremist agitator, comma.
Exactly.
seamus coughlin
Or provocateur.
That's their favorite one.
Anyone who does any kind of comedy that they don't like is considered a provocateur.
ian crossland
I think Hitler was a provocateur too, wasn't he?
tim pool
No, they just call everyone a provocateur.
It's funny when they call Ben Shapiro a provocateur.
seamus coughlin
It's like a catharsis.
I'm eventually going out of my way to provoke people.
He's not even close.
ian crossland
Hey, I gotta say, I've been very turned off by Greenwald's association with the Intercept lately anyway.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I mean, I'm not a massive fan of Greenwald, but I don't think he's lying about this.
tim pool
No, he's not.
seamus coughlin
It seems like a really strange thing for him to make up, especially right before the election, because he is left-leaning.
He's not a Trump supporter at all.
tim pool
No, he's critical of Trump.
seamus coughlin
He very much does not like Trump or the right wing at all.
tim pool
And Matt Taibbi, not that long ago, did a podcast where they were ragging on Trump that I thought was... Look, I think you're entitled to your opinions, you're not entitled to your own facts.
And I think they had a lot of opinions that were based off of incorrect facts.
And so I'm watching and I'm like, that's the media.
And that was Matt Taibbi.
I can't remember exactly what it was, but it was like, it wasn't the biggest deal in the world.
For someone like, you know, Matt to come out and be like, we can clearly see this is bunk fake news that they're talking about with Russia.
I'm like, this dude's legit.
Like, he's absolutely legit.
He's willing to look at the facts and say, this is, you know, what is and what isn't.
Glenn Greenwald does the same thing.
That's a rarity in journalism today.
And you know what?
This gives me a bit of hope.
These high-profile journalists leaving and doing their own thing.
At the same time, it's also kind of scary when you realize the institutions are now zombified.
So is that it?
Is news media done?
Because if they can lie about you and get you excised and banned from everywhere, Then it's only a matter of time before they just get anyone who's in their way banned, because they're... What do you mean, they get anyone banned?
The zombified news outlet.
So, like, The Intercept could now start writing a bunch of stuff saying, Matt Taibbi, known white supremacist, and then eventually put false quotes against him, and then petition, you know, to get him banned.
ian crossland
And all we've got is, like, the legal system is our... is our defense mechanism against the... But my private platform.
tim pool
You can't do anything about it.
ian crossland
Can you really not, if someone makes false claims against you?
tim pool
Dude, the... If I called you a Nazi, you could not sue me.
Nazi is an opinion.
unidentified
It is?
tim pool
It is an opinion.
ian crossland
It's a social, it's like a, it's a political party.
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
It's an opinion.
ian crossland
It's an incorrect statement of my political affiliation.
unidentified
Nope.
ian crossland
I'm affiliated independent.
tim pool
Colloquial usage of the word Nazi means 50 million different things.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's also true.
And this is why I think one of their favorite words is alt-right as well.
I mean, calling someone alt-right is not as extreme as calling them a Nazi, so you don't sound non-credible saying it, but it's just an opinion.
There's really no definition of the term alt-right.
It means ethno-nationalist, technically, but they just throw it around any way they want.
tim pool
The Associated Press has guidelines on what alt-right means.
They just don't care.
And what are you going to do?
When 7,000 outlets write an article calling you a Nazi, are you going to go sue 7,000 people?
Good luck.
You're not going to have the money to do it.
And they're going to tell you to go screw off.
seamus coughlin
you just gotta get one big player to lie about you like uh...
like uh... nixon man and then you're set that is a really obvious life i was so happy when that
happens there's so many little lies that they get away with every day
and then they're like you know what let's just go out of our way and try to
destroy this kid's lives and then life and blatantly lie about it
remember when that happened there was the uh... black hebrew israelites just screaming
really like or like things that if any conservative group or white group was out there screaming
the media would be saying it is homophobic, this is racist, this is bigoted in
every possible way but then the media described them as young African-American
men preaching about the Bible and oppression like after the... You ever
tim pool
see the movie The Animal?
With, uh... Rob Schneider.
seamus coughlin
Yes.
No, I haven't seen it, but I know what you're talking about.
tim pool
I'm gonna spoil it for you guys, though.
seamus coughlin
Wait, no!
unidentified
Tim!
ian crossland
Spoiler alert!
tim pool
It's too old of a movie.
You're not allowed.
seamus coughlin
I know, honestly.
unidentified
You're right.
tim pool
Here's the movie.
The movie is about, you know, Rob Schneider, I guess.
I haven't seen it since it came out.
It was a long time ago.
He gets hit by a car or something.
And then he's got, like, he's dead.
And then this mad scientist gives him a bunch of animal parts.
So he's part animal, I guess.
He has, like, a hairy ass, I guess.
He can jump really high, and then he has just, you know, he acts like an animal.
ian crossland
Like a superhero movie.
tim pool
Yeah, because Rob Schneider loved doing these movies where he turned into things.
But anyway.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, the hot chick, right?
so when we became a woman would what they're not check yet i was really became a
unidentified
little only became him all will be getting a lot of the other as well as important
tim pool
is important so in the movie
he's apparently like running around killing animals are doing something
wrong and then finally uh... an angry mob comes for him and he's like i know i do
Well, his friend who's black is like, I'm going to defend him.
And so finally, when the mobs like surrounded him and ready to kill him, he goes, it was actually me.
And then all of a sudden everyone's like, uh, and then Norm Macdonald, Norm Macdonald goes, I'm not going to be a part of an angry mob that's going after a black guy.
And they all leave.
unidentified
That's funny.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
I appreciate that.
tim pool
Yeah, so, like, yeah, anyway.
I forgot why I brought that story up.
ian crossland
That reminds me of, um... Oh, Nick Sandman!
seamus coughlin
Yeah, the Nick Sandman thing.
How it's just good to see the media get their comeuppance every once in a while.
tim pool
They ignore the black Hebrew Israelites who are screaming.
Yeah, there we go.
And there's some kids standing there and they're like, let's destroy his life!
seamus coughlin
And then also, literally, again, this was part of the nature of the story, but I'm surprised more people haven't pointed out the fact that they literally just told everyone where he went to school.
They made the country hate him.
Like, Covington Catholic School, by the way.
It's like, okay.
ian crossland
Yeah, they call him the Covington Kid.
seamus coughlin
The Covington Catholic School Kid.
And then they have the nerve to go out there and complain about how Trump's comments make them unsafe.
tim pool
You know what's really crazy about everything that's going on?
I want to clarify something too, because we talked about this a bit yesterday.
Spotify apparently never censored Joe Rogan and Alex Jones.
Apparently what happened was, my understanding is it wasn't popping up on people's feeds properly, and they tried re-uploading it, and then it just made it disappear on everyone's feed.
But it was there, just labeled wrong or something.
People don't realize this, because it happens to me sometimes.
I'll like, look at my podcast numbers and they'll be low and I'll go, no, and I'll look and there'll be like one number in like seasons or episode that moves it incorrectly on a list and then people can't find it.
ian crossland
We would have, at Mines, man, a lot, a lot more than you'd realize, like people would upload stuff.
It would just go dark.
And we wouldn't, we'd be like, oh, it's something in the code.
Like there's so much complexity and people keep censoring me and it's 99% of the time it's not.
tim pool
I gotta say, how does it keep happening to Joe?
That like all the episodes that didn't make it over just happened to be Gavin McInnes.
And then the one episode, and Joe actually said he's like, of all the episodes, it was this one.
But anyway, I bring this up for one, to clarify.
It's up.
It was on Spotify.
It's still up on Spotify.
But seeing all these lefties tweet things about Alex Jones, and it's the funniest thing.
These people are as dumb as a box of rocks.
And that's an insult to a box of rocks.
They're saying things like, How dare Spotify allow Alex Jones to harass this family!
It's like Joe... Joe didn't host Alex Jones so that Alex Jones could harass a family.
seamus coughlin
You don't know that, too.
tim pool
And they didn't even bring it up.
ian crossland
What family are you talking about?
tim pool
The Sandy Hook family.
ian crossland
Oh my god.
seamus coughlin
Oh, that's right.
That's like a seven-year-old false flag.
tim pool
Alex Jones did not go on Joe Rogan's show and start screaming about this family.
ian crossland
He's been very repentant about it, actually.
tim pool
Yeah, and it happened, what, in 2012, 2013?
The point is...
You look at what they did to Nick Sandman.
He smirked.
And you look at what they do to Alex Jones.
How dare you allow him to harass his family?
It's like, dude, that was years ago.
He's been sued over it.
He's apologized for it.
And he's saying other things.
It's like, these people are so disingenuous.
They expect me to hold a grudge for the rest of my life.
What am I going to do?
See Alex Jones on the street and be like, how dare you harass a family?
And he's going to be like, I'm I'm buying milk.
seamus coughlin
I'm just walking home.
There's no path to redemption, right?
They just want to take a snapshot of a person in their worst moment and have that represent them for the rest of their lives.
But only if it's somebody with whom they disagree, of course.
tim pool
I don't even think it's about that to be honest.
seamus coughlin
Why not?
tim pool
I think it's just tribalism.
unidentified
No, exactly.
tim pool
It's someone they disagree with.
I think you've got a lot of people who just want to be angry.
You know that comic where it's like, I'm angry and the guy's like, here's a solution.
He's like, I don't want a solution.
unidentified
He burns it.
tim pool
I want to be angry.
unidentified
Classic.
tim pool
That's what it is.
seamus coughlin
Is it just something social media has done to our brains?
I mean, this is part of human nature for us to want to be angry and to want to find enemies for whatever reason because we are fallen.
But I do think it's been exacerbated by our social media trends.
Like the fact that I think we talked about this before on Twitter.
It's like when you have a bad day on Twitter, it's because somebody roasted you.
And when it's a good day on Twitter, it's because you roasted somebody else.
You're being mean to someone or someone's being mean to you.
That's like 95% of what Twitter is.
tim pool
I disagree.
I disagree.
Really?
seamus coughlin
Well, you're being mean to me.
tim pool
This falls into a very simple philosophy.
When you wake up in the morning, do you say to yourself, life is good?
Or do you say life is awful?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
I wake up and I'm like, time to get to work, pour myself a coffee, sit down and say, I wonder what's happening in the world today.
Actually, when I wake up, I pull my phone up and I'm like, they did what last night in Philadelphia?
I'm like, my eyes are squinting at the screen, it's too bright, and I'm like, they burned down what again?
And then a few minutes later, I'm like, I get up and then I go to work.
seamus coughlin
When Tim wakes up, he just screams and punches the wall so hard it wakes everyone in the house.
It's his ritual.
tim pool
Anyway, the point is, I go on Twitter.
I don't look at notifications.
I don't respond.
I sometimes respond to people, only if I end up seeing it for some reason.
I ignore notifications.
I ignore ads.
seamus coughlin
It's a good strategy.
tim pool
I just ignore everybody.
There are some times where I'll notice something for some reason, but it's rare.
And then Twitter is just great.
It's like being on a rollercoaster that only goes down.
It's true.
You know, you're like weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I just, I follow, I have a list of people I follow from left and right journalists and news organizations, and I've got some great journalists that I follow that, you know, I see what they're talking about and follow, and then I check a bunch of different news outlets.
Periodically there's stories I stumble upon pertaining to like censorship and tech and the internet and things like that.
seamus coughlin
Well, I guess I'm just projecting.
You use Twitter more responsibly than I do, Tim.
I deleted Twitter once.
When did you delete Twitter?
tim pool
Maybe a year and a half ago.
I deleted it on my phone, that's what I mean.
And then I was just like, now what?
ian crossland
I'll read comments for my name, and I do it like a social experiment, because I studied acting since I was 15, and I would sit at lunch at college and just watch people walk around and interact, and just study people, study people, all day, study people.
I'll study the comments when they talk about me.
I see my name as a representative of an idea.
I depersonalize.
And I just see these waves of the way people behave and I laugh and I laugh.
It's just so interesting.
seamus coughlin
That can drive you crazy though, man.
ian crossland
I'm already crazy.
seamus coughlin
I don't know if it's good for your mental condition.
tim pool
Anyway, look, the point of Twitter is it's a rage machine.
The average person doesn't have the mental fortitude to withstand that kind of manipulation.
ian crossland
Especially a child, man.
tim pool
Right.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, we let people use Twitter pretty young.
And then there are people, it's funny because there are folks who aren't even public figures but they'll tweet something that goes viral and then it's super controversial and everyone's jumping on the bandwagon of criticizing them.
It's like, I was reading a story about a woman who Tweeted something.
I can't remember what it was, but it was pretty tasteless.
And she's just like a regular person.
tim pool
Just a lady in South Africa or whatever?
seamus coughlin
I'm not sure.
I know that she hopped on an airplane, and by the time the airplane landed, her life was ruined.
unidentified
No, no, no.
Wait, wait, wait.
seamus coughlin
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
tim pool
She tweeted a woke joke.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
tim pool
The joke was that it was about white privilege.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
She was joking that she had white privilege, therefore she wouldn't get AIDS.
The way she phrased it was, like, I read it, and I was like, I very much understand that she is trying to make a woke joke.
seamus coughlin
She's like making fun of white people.
Like, oh, don't white people have it so great.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And they were like, they didn't care.
They were like, how dare you?
And then she landed from her flight and her phone's going... She said she got like a text message and they're like, are you okay?
Call me if you need anything.
She's like, what's happening?
And she was a nobody.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
She was not.
She's had a couple hundred followers.
seamus coughlin
And every now and then, you know, you just need to find a stranger to be angry at.
ian crossland
There's a weird phenomenon with when someone gets famous off of a viral tweet that there's a tendency to want to keep doing that tweet over and over again.
And you can drive people into these crazy holes.
seamus coughlin
Well, yeah, because the last time you did it, you got a massive dopamine rush because you got attention from people.
tim pool
And so they're like, I'm going to do it again.
ian crossland
And they get stuck in this idea that that's what made me famous.
It's not that, it's you.
tim pool
And then they put a link to their Venmo or their PayPal.
They're like, I see that you're you're liking my tweets speaking of which guys paypal.com slash freedom to paypal.com Alba's make more so you would you imagine if like people people acted the way that you know They do on Twitter, but in real life, so they'd say something like yo Ian Seamus is dumb PayPal me at PayPal That actually does happen to me.
seamus coughlin
When I go outside, people will say that.
Whoever roasts me the best will get Venmo'd something.
unidentified
That's awesome.
seamus coughlin
Well, I was thinking about this the other day, actually.
It's kind of like a road rage-esque phenomenon.
When you're driving and when you're on the internet, you're interacting with humans in a way where you're not really going to be held accountable.
So we let the worst part of ourselves be exposed in a lot of those interactions.
And so it's really sad, but I don't know if it actually causes the problem so much as it reveals what's already underneath.
However, once that's been revealed, I think people habituate themselves towards that, because they can get away with it more often.
So it does make you a nastier person, but it starts by revealing the nastiness that was already there, and it just builds upon it.
tim pool
And they know it.
And Jack knows it.
I don't know anything about that.
When Jack Dorsey was on the Senate hearing, I guess apparently one of the Republicans asked him to name a single liberal his platform has banned, and he couldn't do it.
I mean there I I couldn't they banned a bunch of Occupy Wall Street people.
Yeah, this was like a year to like two years ago So they've done it for sure.
He couldn't eat anything I'm pretty sure anti-media got bad guys.
Yeah, I think it's ridiculous and and it's like these are leftist activists of anti-war and why are they so that the big story with anti-media was Pinterest that Veritas uncovered that and But, on Twitter, I believe they also got the axe, as well as several Occupy accounts.
ian crossland
I think there really is, like, a dark, uh, like, thing in people's minds.
Like, humans are, like, got this weird dark fantasy, and I only notice it because, like, if you sometimes, when you play video games, when I play video games, or Dungeons & Dragons with someone, they'll choose to be a real evil character.
Then, like, mm-mm, I'll rip his stomach out and eat it, and so you're like, what the god, what?
tim pool
No, no, no, no, you're wrong.
I gotta stop you there, because... I'm wrong.
unidentified
You're on.
tim pool
Why?
That's how I do it.
I have to stop you because there's a meme about this where it's someone I can't remember
which open world the game it was but it was like a guy playing a video game and he's like
I've just completed the game as the hero now I'm gonna play as the villain.
That's how I do it.
And then it shows a guy saying like this is you know he's like why why did you kill my
brother and the person's sitting there crying like I couldn't do it again.
So what I'm trying to say is when people go evil they quick save.
That's the joke.
Like, when you're playing Elder Scrolls, you'll quicksave, then go on a murder spree, and then reload and be like, okay, now that I got it out of my system and I'm, you know... We're really nice to NPCs playing video games.
seamus coughlin
When we're on the internet with strangers, we're very much not.
tim pool
Dude, it's true!
Like, when I try... I can't do evil playthroughs.
ian crossland
That's because you're good, though.
I don't think you have, like, a deep psychosis like some of these people.
tim pool
Like, dude, I'm playing Skyrim, and I'm just, like, I'm holding the bow in VR, and I'm like, I can't shoot the lady!
unidentified
She's not a bad guy!
seamus coughlin
this is a just a sort of a strange failing of human empathy which is that
when you're playing a video game even though there's not an actual person
there yeah it appears as if there is one when you're on the internet and you see a nice and actually
tim pool
like an avatar of like a weird looking animal creature yeah like an animal or
seamus coughlin
a twitter egg phenomenal there is a person there but it doesn't seem like
it so you're it actually leads you to be better to computer generated
images than you are actual human well hold on maybe
tim pool
Maybe it's because we have this darkness inside of us, a rage towards anime characters.
seamus coughlin
I think that's part of it.
It's obvious that anime is a scourge.
tim pool
You see all of these accounts that have anime avatars, and you're like, I hate you.
ian crossland
Basically, if you zoom out on the timeline of humanity, video games and social media appeared at the exact same moment.
So all this weird video game murder fantasy.
I mean, you kill stuff in video games.
Most video games is you kill things.
tim pool
It's almost all violent.
Except if you're the good guy.
I gotta stop you.
I gotta stop you.
The Goose Game.
seamus coughlin
Except the Goose Game.
tim pool
Just the Goose Game.
That game's amazing.
seamus coughlin
Even in Pac-Man, you're eating ghosts.
unidentified
Yeah!
No, right?
ian crossland
You'll kill and destroy.
seamus coughlin
The thing about Pac-Man is consume and destroy.
tim pool
No, no.
Video games are all about the seven deadly sins, man.
In Pac-Man, it's just gluttony.
Your goal is just keep eating.
Eating.
And like, what's the story of Pac-Man?
Are the ghosts being like, dude, you're eating all our food, and he goes, I will eat you next!
ian crossland
Give me drugs so I can eat you!
And so now social media comes out and people are brainwashed to kill and destroy, probably, from video games.
seamus coughlin
And I love video games.
Pac-Man is actually sexist.
The creator of Pac-Man said the reason he wanted to create a video game that would cater towards females, and he said women are always eating.
I'm not kidding.
And it worked on this Pac-Man, but everyone loves Pac-Man though, too. It's not
ian crossland
I had miss Pac-Man the Atari Just packing with a bow and here's the difference between
seamus coughlin
Pac-Man and miss Pac-Man miss Pac-Man has a bow It's a much faster game is it yeah?
It's significantly faster and also on the wall with your mouth open you keep well in the maps the maps actually
change The original Pac-Man was the exact same map over and over and over again, and if you knew the right path to take, you could just keep doing that.
You would never get caught once.
Whereas with Ms.
Pac-Man, they actually change it up.
Actually, Ms.
Pac-Man might be more fun.
ian crossland
It is really fun.
tim pool
But why is it that games typically involve combat?
You know what I thought?
I was thinking about this.
ian crossland
It's like assuaging our destructive animal nature.
tim pool
Maybe.
ian crossland
That's my guess.
tim pool
Maybe it's just a party you don't contribute to the rest of the time, I don't know.
Well, maybe it's because conflict.
Conflict resolution of some sort.
ian crossland
Resistance.
Overcoming, yeah.
Experiencing resistance makes you stronger.
tim pool
There's two games that I play right now.
Spelunky 2 and Skater XL.
And Skater XL is just absolutely not violent in any capacity.
It's literally just a skate simulator.
unidentified
It's soothing.
So soothing.
tim pool
Yeah, it's soothing.
It's fun.
I make the dude do like a 360 flip mute 900.
It's just great.
I'm just like, oh man, look at this guy.
unidentified
He's flying through the air.
tim pool
That's true.
Spelunky though is like, I wouldn't call it violent because they're little sprite creatures like, they're just like little, you know, it's not Mario.
seamus coughlin
It's like some of that game is just like really just like the adorable little sprites and other stuff and it's like super dark and violent.
tim pool
Like throwing a dog onto the sacrificial altar.
seamus coughlin
You know what I'm excited for?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Like when we get to- so Skyrim is fun, but I want to play a game like an Elder Scrolls game where they can artificially generate in real time reactions from the NPCs, from the non-player characters.
So like you'll walk into a village and they'll be like, what are you doing?
And you'll pull your sword out.
Why are you drawing your sword?
Don't point a thing at me.
He's gonna swing it like I can actually just say things and react in their own weird random
seamus coughlin
I think quantum computing is gonna help a lot. I just can't wait till they make Joe Biden simulator for
Video games just appealing to the male fantasy No malarkey Joe as they say what is that fantasy Joe Biden
tim pool
simulator?
Did you guys see the Andrew Yang presidential fighting game?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
It came out a while ago.
It was really, really funny.
I don't know what ever happened to it, but it was like during the primary and the storyline was that you were Andrew Yang and he throws money.
It's a super move.
And like he fights Donald Trump.
It was really, really good.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Elizabeth Warren, it was, it was, I was really impressed because the dude who made it was a Yang supporter, but it was very offensive what Elizabeth Warren would do.
Her super move was to summon a charging Buffalo.
seamus coughlin
Oh my goodness.
tim pool
And she would literally do like the wah, wah, wah, wah, you know, thing when she would throw stuff.
And she had like Native American headdress and stuff.
seamus coughlin
But here's the difference.
unidentified
I was like, wow.
seamus coughlin
But no, but that's the difference.
Like that, that joke is not making fun of Native Americans.
It is making fun of her for being racist and trying to appropriate their culture while being progressive.
Did you see the DNC?
tim pool
The DNC had her on the Native, the Indigenous Caucus or whatever.
unidentified
Yes!
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I did a cartoon about that.
unidentified
That was awesome.
Amazing.
seamus coughlin
I did a cartoon with that.
The fact that they actually, just the total lack of self-awareness.
tim pool
Dude, these people have lost it.
Did they ever have it?
I mean, look.
Guys, my friends, my friends, please.
Did you see that they're doing a new movie about COVID called Songbird?
seamus coughlin
I heard you talking about this earlier.
tim pool
COVID-23.
It's mutated.
The mortality rate is 50%.
And it's like, it's so bad.
But hold on, hold on.
I bring this up for a reason.
I just watched The Craft Legacy the other night.
Alright.
You guys know the movie The Craft?
seamus coughlin
No.
tim pool
It's where these high school girls are witches.
seamus coughlin
Oh, they're witches?
Yeah, I do remember that.
I never saw it.
tim pool
Dude, Jordan Peterson is the villain of The Craft Legacy.
I'm not even kidding.
I'm not even kidding.
He's got a big cauldron?
So the bad guy in The Craft Legacy, and I don't want to spoil too much, is how the woke view Jordan Peterson.
unidentified
Your powers are no match for me!
Your powers, I'll summon all of my archetypes!
Dragon, come from the underworld!
seamus coughlin
And then it goes and attacks the witches.
tim pool
So hold on.
I might spoil a bit.
So spoiler alert for those that want to watch The Craft Legacy.
The reason I bring this up is that there's a flippening happening.
So listen, man.
I play music.
I do creative things.
I skateboard.
And I am not aligned with the left right now.
And there are a bunch of pro skateboarders who are voting for Trump I talk to all the time.
They want to send me gear.
And I'm like, how is it that we have ended up on the Trump side of this thing?
So when you have, like, have you ever seen those Christian movies?
You know what I mean?
Like they're conservative Christian.
seamus coughlin
Like God's Not Dead 2?
The greatest film of all time.
tim pool
But like the really poorly produced.
seamus coughlin
What do you mean, Sam?
What are you talking about?
unidentified
Seamus, you can't even see his straight face.
tim pool
God's Not Dead 2.
But you know, it's like conservatives try making movies and they don't do a good job of it.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's true.
tim pool
But I think it's changing.
I think the creatives, the fun, the thinkers, the imagineers, they're not on the left anymore because you're not allowed to conform.
So listen, in this movie, The Craft Legacy, there's no movie.
None whatsoever.
It is literally just a series of scenes where woke girls go around talking about wokeness.
seamus coughlin
Nice.
tim pool
And I, oh man, I'm, you know.
ian crossland
Don't spoil it, I want to see it.
seamus coughlin
Tim, are they the granddaughters of the witches we couldn't burn?
tim pool
Oh my god.
No.
ian crossland
Oh, you know the Salem Witchcraft Trial, right?
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait.
ian crossland
Apparently they came from eating ergot.
tim pool
Right, yeah.
unidentified
So listen, listen.
tim pool
Without spoiling too much, and by telling you the villain was Jordan Peterson, you've already... So David Duchovny plays a guy, and I've already spoiled by telling you this.
Because it's like the big reveal at the end or whatever, it's so dumb.
But he writes a bunch of books about masculinity.
And he literally refers to them as, like, disrupting order.
seamus coughlin
Oh my god.
tim pool
I'm like, dude, they're trying to take this, like, idea of Jordan Peterson and make a villain out of it.
seamus coughlin
When did they make this film?
tim pool
It just came out.
seamus coughlin
Oh, this just came out.
It sounded like it was intentionally Jordan Peterson.
That was their villain?
In their witch movie?
Of course it was.
tim pool
But it's not your Jordan Peterson.
It's a Jordan Peterson who would be like, masculinity is order.
That's how I see him.
seamus coughlin
Dude, you gotta see it.
That's my George Peterson.
That's how I see him.
tim pool
Dude, dude, you gotta see it.
It is the, it is, God's Not Dead 2 is better than this.
Listen, listen.
seamus coughlin
Well, that's not saying much, Tim.
tim pool
Well, hold on.
I've never seen God's Not Dead.
Me neither.
seamus coughlin
I'm just ripping out- God's Still Not Dead.
I'm just laughing.
I'm horrible.
It could be a perfectly decent movie.
tim pool
I've seen- No, no way.
I've seen these shows.
There was one- I used to watch these shows.
What was it called?
ian crossland
Psycho Cop 2, Psycho Cop Returns.
tim pool
No, no.
We had a Christian channel in Chicago.
It was a long time ago.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, there's a couple, I think.
tim pool
But they had cartoons that were actually decent.
They were rather poorly produced, but still entertaining.
seamus coughlin
Did you ever watch Gerbert?
unidentified
Gerbert?
seamus coughlin
Do you remember Gerbert?
It was like a Christian cartoon.
Alright.
It wasn't a cartoon, it was like a puppet thing.
tim pool
That's amazing.
seamus coughlin
I was curious if you saw it on this channel.
There was a couple.
tim pool
I remember watching these shows.
I can't remember what it was, but it was like a cartoon that was moderately well produced, but nowhere near on par of like Batman the Animated Series and stuff.
And it was entertaining.
And then I watched The Craft and I'm like, This is the worst movie I've ever seen in my life, and I've seen Birds of Prey.
I've seen Cats.
I saw Cats in theater.
seamus coughlin
Why did you do that?
tim pool
Because the song Memory is a really good song.
And so is Mr. Mistoffelees, and they ruined both.
And that's when I was like, Harumph!
I will sit through!
seamus coughlin
That's when Tim turned against the media.
unidentified
It was.
tim pool
It was on that day.
unidentified
Hollywood!
tim pool
Everybody knows that Mr. Mistoffelees and Memory are great songs.
seamus coughlin
Not everyone knows that, because I didn't.
unidentified
I don't know where.
seamus coughlin
I don't even know if I agree or not.
ian crossland
Memory's good.
tim pool
Your memory was just repressed because the greatness of the song, like... So what?
unidentified
I had to bury it in my subconscious.
When you saw it, you were like... He's putting it in his subconscious, man.
You, like, buried it way deep down.
ian crossland
Your parents passed it down.
tim pool
The original versions by Andrew Lloyd Webber are excellent.
I believe Andrew Lloyd Webber is phenomenal.
Webber is amazing.
And in the movie, it was just like, when the woman was singing Memory, she's crying.
So it's like, and there's snot pouring out of her nose.
And I'm like, this is awful.
ian crossland
They want to make it as gross.
tim pool
Now, hold on.
seamus coughlin
They're like, how do we make the most unpleasant looking film?
tim pool
The Craft Legacy is worse than that.
The Craft Legacy is a woke movie where the only thing is, um, I want to spoil so much.
unidentified
Dude, I don't think right.
tim pool
It's funny.
It's funny though.
I want to say it.
It's funny.
There's so much funny stuff.
I'm gonna tell you.
I'm gonna say it.
seamus coughlin
I don't know because the audience might not appreciate it.
The audience might want to watch the Jordan Peterson is Hitler film about witches.
unidentified
That's amazing.
tim pool
He's like, he's got... Dude, he's having like... I'm spoiling the movie.
unidentified
Masculinity, man.
It's like the best thing ever.
I bloody don't like women.
That's what I've been about all along.
tim pool
So, hold on.
I'm probably being a bit hyperbolic by saying the villain is Jordan Peterson.
seamus coughlin
Oh, well, now I feel fooled.
tim pool
Bamboozled.
In the movie, when he says that we are order or something, I was like, dude, Jordan Peterson has said masculinity is order and femininity is chaos or whatever.
And he's talking about, what, archetypes or something?
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
I'm spoiling it.
I'm going to do it.
Chat says spoil.
Okay.
seamus coughlin
Well, did the chat consider that maybe I want to watch?
tim pool
They break into a guy's house, and they turn him woke with magic.
They take his bong, and they take a used condom, and they put him together, and they put a bunch of magic items in it, and then they wipe it on his pillow, and the next day, he's woke.
seamus coughlin
That's like a horribly disgusting thing to do.
tim pool
Who would think of that?
seamus coughlin
Who would think of that and put it in a movie?
unidentified
Who does that?
ian crossland
Like, did they put the condom in the bomb and then poke a hole in it so we didn't know there was a condom in it?
tim pool
No, no, I don't know.
And then, like, for some reason they have the power to freeze time.
It just, like, happens randomly.
So, this is the weirdest thing.
She is like walking through the hall.
This is in the trailer, so it's not spoiling too much.
And the guy who they turn woke, he's mocking her and he puts his hands on her shoulders and then she like puts her hand up and he goes flying 20 feet through the air.
So then she gets put in detention for hitting him and I'm like, what person in their right mind would see a guy go flying 20 feet and be like, that little girl must have struck him.
They'd be like, whoa, what the, what's going on?
Anyway, so when she goes home, her new stepdad, who is Jordan Peterson, He's like, it's an evil version.
It's how they view him.
He writes books about masculinity and he has seminars about masculinity.
He's very calm.
He goes, what's this I heard that you hit Timmy in school?
And she goes, I was defending myself.
And he goes, don't speak when I'm speaking to you.
I have a zero tolerance policy for violence in this house.
I'm disappointed.
And he walks away and that was it.
And she goes, and she's like freaking out.
And I'm like, wait, wait, hold on.
seamus coughlin
That's reasonable.
tim pool
That's all he did?
That's all he did?
He said, I'm disappointed in you?
seamus coughlin
Sounds like the villain.
tim pool
I thought if he was going to be a villain, he would have smacked her across the face and be like, I am the man of this house.
No, he was just like, I have a zero tolerance policy for violence.
Policy for violence.
And I am disappointed.
And he walks off.
And she was like, what a grave injustice.
So later on, there's like, Okay, man, I don't want to spoil too much, but I'm doing but but there's there's a moment where a character dies and Her new step family.
There's like a ring of people a ring of men and and they're all snapping their fingers for some reason going like this It's a weird thing.
seamus coughlin
Well, like men do right?
Do you guys want to go to the Jordan Peterson masculinity seminar?
tim pool
Yes, but wait, he's doing he's doing a seminar with these people and then he's like You know, weakness is like, we are not weak.
And then he calls his son out.
And then he says, you know, my son lost a friend today who died.
And then he looks at his son and goes, you are not weak.
Let it out.
And then his son starts crying and yelling.
And then he hugs him.
And then everyone starts like snapping their fingers.
And then it shows this main character's face, like shocked as she's secretly watching from the top of the stairs.
And I was watching, I'm like, wait, wait, hold on.
seamus coughlin
Isn't that what they want?
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait, wait, like, hold on.
A bunch of guys got together.
The snapping the fingers thing was weird.
The guy explains that his son lost a friend.
So it's a guy going like, you're not weak, you can let it out, and then he starts crying and he hugs him.
I'm like, that's pretty alright.
But she freaks out about it.
seamus coughlin
Seems like a good thing, dude.
This seems like emotional maturity.
tim pool
She freaks out about it.
seamus coughlin
His friend died.
tim pool
So anyway.
ian crossland
Is it the Duke of Niaz the guy?
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Awesome.
tim pool
Yeah.
So basically he writes a bunch of books about like what, like being masculine.
And it's like a point where she's like reading it and she's like shocked at it.
And then he walks in and she drops it.
seamus coughlin
She's like, why would anyone be masculine?
Who would choose such a thing?
Isn't it funny though, that like, if this is truly a Jordan Peterson stand-in, like that's the thing, like to boil him down to his worst trait would be the fact that he doesn't think masculinity is evil.
He's writing books about what masculinity.
tim pool
The reason I say he's Jordan Peterson is because he said, you know, something about the order that they bring or whatever.
Like, what he does with masculinity is order.
And that, you know, Jordan Peterson is viewed as this villain by these people.
And based on that, the general idea, I guess he's like an MRA or something?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, that's weird.
tim pool
Masculinity.
ian crossland
What's MRA?
tim pool
Men's Rights Activist.
seamus coughlin
Men's Rights Activist, Ian.
ian crossland
I know now.
seamus coughlin
Get in the know.
tim pool
I'm gonna spoil a lot more.
seamus coughlin
Aren't you an MRA?
tim pool
The movie makes literally no sense.
There's no plot.
seamus coughlin
That's not a spoiler, I figured.
tim pool
That's why I'm saying it's like... How do you spoil something that's rotten?
So it's like... Boy, I love that.
It's like watching a bunch of random things happen in succession that make no sense.
And it really feels like, I guess, they wanted Gen X women to have their kids watch it.
Cause like the song, the movie opens with Alanis Morissette.
I think... Oh, I love her.
I can't remember which song it is.
ian crossland
I love her from 2001 or whatever.
Jagged Little Pill.
tim pool
Yeah, it's one of the songs from Jagged Little Pill, I can't remember.
But I was like, very obviously, they're trying to cater to the women who were young when The Craft I came out.
ian crossland
You know, she wrote Jagged Little Pill about Dave Coulier.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
No, no, that's You Oughta Know.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
The song You Oughta Know.
ian crossland
Most of the album was inspired by her relationship with Dave.
tim pool
But anyway, the movie is a bunch of random garbage that makes no sense.
And I gotta tell you guys, I was triggered.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, of course you were.
tim pool
You don't get triggered very often.
seamus coughlin
No, stop.
tim pool
This is serious.
Sounds like a sick film.
I was triggered.
Okay, I was literally shaking.
Because one of the actresses who plays a trans woman is cisgendered in real life.
seamus coughlin
Oh, no.
No joke.
Shut it down.
tim pool
That's true though.
seamus coughlin
You can't make this film.
That's horrible.
tim pool
So, in the movie, randomly and for seemingly no reason, one of the characters just says she's a trans girl.
But the actress is actually cisgendered in real life.
I thought that was like, not okay.
seamus coughlin
I'm pretty sure that's a faux pas.
Cisgendered means comfortable in skin.
That's what the acronym is.
tim pool
Comfortable in skin.
Love it.
The actress is a human female.
And the character she's playing is a human transgender female.
ian crossland
Meaning that it's a man that has transitioned to a woman.
seamus coughlin
Yes, correct.
tim pool
A male transitioning to a woman.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
Got it.
tim pool
I thought that was not allowed.
seamus coughlin
I'm pretty sure it isn't.
unidentified
It's not.
seamus coughlin
I don't know why they made the exception here.
It's funny, you mentioned this film being really pandering and bad, and this is something that I actually talked about.
tim pool
The ending's the best part.
seamus coughlin
Well, this is something I talked about with the Babylon Bee guys, about like Christian films, but it also applies to what you're discussing, is so often people will try to tailor the media they're producing to a specific demographic, and they get really heavy-handed with it, but then That doesn't work.
You just have to make something that you think is good or funny or whatever you're going for.
And if your worldview matches up with your audience's, as it should if you've amassed followers, they probably agree with you about things, then that's just going to come through.
You don't have to put an effort in to represent your worldview.
It's just going to come out of you if you're being honest with the art that you're producing.
ian crossland
Similar to singing and being a musician.
tim pool
Think about this.
Jon Stewart was hilarious.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I know I liked Jon Stewart.
tim pool
And now, probably the funniest, or one of the funniest political comedians we have is Steven Crowder.
seamus coughlin
Or you, actually.
tim pool
No, no, yeah, Freedom Tunes is fantastic.
seamus coughlin
I really appreciate that.
It's hilarious.
I was kidding, but I really appreciate that.
tim pool
Dave Chappelle's great, but he's not overtly a political comedian.
ian crossland
Political comedians, yeah.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
So, if you watch any of the woke brigade stuff, John Oliver, it's like they're not even telling jokes.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
When you watch Crowder, Crowder is actually funny.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
So it's like the weirdest thing to me that this flip is happening where now when I watch, you know, internet cartoons that make jokes, it's, you know, freedom tunes.
And then I turn on like Samantha Bee and I'm like, you're literally not telling me a joke.
You're just insulting Trump, calling him a pig.
seamus coughlin
This is funny because, um, I was, you wanted to watch my most recent video today.
And while we were sitting down to watch it, the advertisement we got before it was for Trevor Noah.
It was really bad.
tim pool
Trevor Noah.
seamus coughlin
And he's on television, right?
I just have a YouTube channel.
tim pool
But the funny thing about Trevor Noah is that his comedy right now is like YouTube videos from 2008.
It's him sitting in his room with a TV behind him.
And I'm like, dude, even I, like, we pulled a sheet over some wood.
You know what I mean?
unidentified
We made an effort.
seamus coughlin
No, this looks good.
This is a good looking studio.
tim pool
Well, we did do a decent amount of work in this place.
But like downstairs, where I do my normal show, it's downstairs from where we are.
I just put stuff in the back, put a bookshelf up.
ian crossland
And I'm like... Dude, this isn't even that hard to do.
tim pool
I know.
ian crossland
Minus the cameras.
seamus coughlin
It hits your whole career like it is for them.
tim pool
There's no excuse for the... How many months has it been now?
Seven, eight months or whatever of lockdown.
They couldn't have been like, you can work from home like you normally do.
Here's a good camera and a background.
ian crossland
Yeah, really.
tim pool
It makes no sense.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
It just looks... It's like... That's really weird.
And I'll tell you what.
These people live or die by their studio audience being told to laugh.
seamus coughlin
That's very true.
tim pool
Because a lot of what they say... Please laugh.
Exactly.
Exactly.
It's Jeb Bush.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Jeb energy.
That's true.
seamus coughlin
No, laugh tracks are Jeb comedy.
Yeah, it's true.
unidentified
Jeb comedy.
tim pool
That's what it is.
seamus coughlin
Please laugh.
Please laugh.
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, I feel bad for, uh... Well, I shouldn't say I feel bad, but there's so many shows that rely on laugh tracks.
I'm not a fan of them.
seamus coughlin
Well, like, here's the thing.
All these comedians who we're criticizing because we don't think their work is very good, I mean, almost all of them are certainly funny people.
They could write good jokes, but they have a writing staff, I think, oftentimes that probably doesn't feel they need to put the effort in because they're pandering to a political subsection.
It's like, as long as I say something they agree with, they'll think it's funny.
tim pool
Claptor.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, exactly, Claptor.
Whereas I think if you just like try to put something out there that's zany and goofy and funny and makes you laugh, but it's about a political topic again, like the angle you're gonna take and what you are going to find funny is going to appeal to your audience without you needing to go overboard to make it clear.
ian crossland
Your audience finds you.
You don't have to search for an audience.
seamus coughlin
Exactly.
You just make stuff that's true to yourself.
tim pool
Exactly.
Oh man!
do woke comedy when you can't make fun of your own side.
ian crossland
Exactly.
seamus coughlin
That's exactly it.
So like I make fun of conservatives and it's clear, it's clear that I have a right
leaning channel and I'm a right wing person or conservative person.
tim pool
Your Dave Rubin video was brutal.
unidentified
Oh man.
seamus coughlin
Thank you.
Yeah.
I think I've mentioned this.
I agree.
And I felt bad.
So when I wrote that Dave Rubin video, the original idea was just to, I didn't
even think I was going to make it a cartoon.
I was just writing the script out and I was trying to figure out what impressions
I could do, or like trying to write for different political figures for other
videos, just an exercise.
And I was like, well, where do I put them?
What's the framing device?
I was like, oh, well, of course, Dave Rubin's show.
And I didn't really have a Dave Rubin impression, but I thought he pronounced the letter G kind of funny when he said agree.
He's like, I agree.
And so I just started writing.
I just wrote a bunch of lines that sounded like really over-the-top things political personalities would say, and then in between each one, just, I agree.
Because it's just an easy way to write it.
But then I got progressively more and more ridiculous.
unidentified
That's got like a million views and it's like some yeah Well, I so I uploaded it in fans.
seamus coughlin
Some of the fans were like, why did you go so hard on me?
I'm so stupid.
I literally I wasn't even trying to rip on him, but He commented the top comment I refreshed the video the day of because I was feeling kind of bad and the top comment was from the Rubin report And it said I agree That's the point He's cool, he was very cool, and I've met him, and he and I have actually, the video's not done yet.
This video's been very much on the back burner for over a year, because I want it to be really good since Dave Rubin took the time to voice act in it.
I don't want it to be one of the videos that I just complete in a week.
But yeah, he and I got together and recorded a script for a new video.
He was very cool about it.
tim pool
This is the point.
When you did the McCloskey's video, you show him holding the gun backwards.
There's self-awareness on the right right now to, like, being made fun of and knowing why you're being made fun of that the left doesn't have anymore.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, because we're funny too.
And, like, even if you're right, you can still be ridiculous.
ian crossland
Dude, there's just this group of people that saw Hillary Clinton's email scandal and chose to go cognitive dissonance, and then there's everybody else.
And we're not on the right.
I'm not on the right.
Those people are crazy that they're dismissing that crime.
seamus coughlin
You know what else is something about the Hillary Clinton email scandal that no one really talks about?
Like, yeah, she deleted all those emails and it's horrible because we never got to find out what was in them.
But, like, other people have the emails that she sent out.
Like, that's how email works.
It's a correspondence.
Other people have those emails.
It'd be very easy for them to blackmail her if they had that information.
That's not the kind of person you want as the President of the United States.
unidentified
That's a good point.
I hadn't thought about that.
Thank you.
ian crossland
They pulled a lot of her emails from her chief of staff.
What was that guy's name?
The guy who has the crazy brother.
seamus coughlin
I don't know.
ian crossland
Who does the blood magic.
unidentified
What?
seamus coughlin
Oh, yeah, Podesta.
Oh, is this the spirit cooking thing?
tim pool
No, get out of here.
seamus coughlin
His brother works with spirit cooking.
unidentified
No.
seamus coughlin
There was a weird thing with the Podesta.
ian crossland
Yeah, the Podesta.
John Podesta.
They got a bunch of emails from Podesta.
tim pool
There's that artist woman.
She did a thing called The Artist is Present.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
tim pool
And she does a bunch of weird occult stuff.
That's right.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Obamavitch or whatever.
ian crossland
And John Podesta's brother, Tony Podesta, hangs out with her or is affiliated with that
girl.
I think he's the weird one in the family.
tim pool
I think it's like, you've got a bunch of super rich weirdos who do weird stuff.
Like to use that to go to weird conspiracies and stuff.
seamus coughlin
I don't know.
It is really weird that they're doing that stuff, and at the very least it shows they're pretty out of touch.
tim pool
Weird rich people doing weird rich people stuff, man.
Don't they go into the woods and do a theater performance over a giant owl or something?
seamus coughlin
I don't know.
It freaks me out.
It's hard for me to not see that as satanic.
ian crossland
I just freak out.
What about satanic?
seamus coughlin
It's just freaky.
These weird, bizarre pagan rituals.
Especially the spirit cooking stuff.
ian crossland
Like worshipping the sky and stuff.
Do you think of that kind of stuff as satanic or just not Catholic?
seamus coughlin
I would say yeah, I would say generally satanic.
I believe pagan is I don't think that's always the intention But I would say with a lot of stuff what they're doing like from what I was hearing about spirit cooking like that It's creepy over-the-line stuff that really like is a total affront to the dignity and value of human life Yeah, that is kind of I guess I would feel weird.
Yeah, anything.
I don't know like human blood or human parts Yeah, I said, is that something true though?
ian crossland
Yeah, I don't- I mean, I've just read stuff about it.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I don't trust- I don't know.
ian crossland
I wasn't there.
tim pool
You know, man, I don't- I don't spend my time going- But she's, like, a crazy artist.
ian crossland
You know, they do- People will paint blood on themselves.
unidentified
True.
seamus coughlin
I think there was- No, I think the story about the crazy artist lady was true.
unidentified
Yeah, I think so.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
I'll tell you what the crazy thing is.
There was a Reddit account from somebody who posted saying, like, hey, I've got some emails that are very, very VIP that we gotta get rid of.
What do we do?
And that turns out the guy who said that was, like, the guy who worked for Hillary, who had to get rid of- What?
Yeah, and it was on Reddit, and people found it, and they were like, look!
unidentified
What?
seamus coughlin
That's crazy.
ian crossland
Like I want a hammer at home, but I almost don't want a hammer at home.
Like, is it good for us?
Is it good for anyone to go after her?
As powerful as she is, as corrupt as that was, do we just like, like if they did with the Soviet Union, just accept it and move on?
seamus coughlin
So yeah, here's a question.
Do you think that that's something that Trump would actually do if he got a second term is go after her?
And the reason he has it is because it would be, yeah, you don't think so.
tim pool
But she said something like that.
She was asked, do you think if Trump wins, he'll come after you?
And she was like, look, Donald Trump has shown his willingness to blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
seamus coughlin
Oh wow, okay.
tim pool
I-e yes or no.
I'm not so sure.
seamus coughlin
One can dream.
tim pool
Look, I don't want the DOJ to indict anybody who shouldn't be indicted.
unidentified
I don't even want to destroy people.
ian crossland
It's like, God, fine, people were corrupt.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
ian crossland
Who cares?
Let's move on.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, but I don't know, because if you don't punish any of those people, it just keeps happening.
tim pool
No, no, no, listen.
Maybe, but... No, stop.
If we... Forgiveness is divine.
No.
If we don't prosecute those who broke the law, the country is already gone.
Yep.
If Hillary Clinton broke the law and gets away with it... But some laws are not...
Good, you know?
Yeah.
ian crossland
I agree, that's a good law.
tim pool
If she got away with that, assuming all of that's true, then we've already lost.
Then you've already got untouchables.
And we live under... there's two classes of people now.
The established, protected crony elites who can never be touched.
ian crossland
With the Patriot Act in their back pocket.
tim pool
And there's a few of them.
There's not as many as you might think because these lower ranking and like regular rank-and-file politicians in Congress or whatever can easily be, you know, prosecuted or gotten rid of.
But there's people like Hillary Clinton that seem to be absolutely invincible.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
Nothing sticks.
tim pool
Well, no one will do anything.
But I want to stress, I want to stress.
It could just be that people are politically biased, and the people who deleted the emails was a company.
The official story, I suppose, was that she was supposed to have gotten rid of them a long time ago.
And then at some point, they subpoenaed her, and she didn't instruct the company to do it, and the company went and destroyed them or something.
Of course.
I'm not entirely convinced I believe it, because a bunch of phones got smashed by hammers or whatever.
unidentified
Yeah, weird, right?
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
You wanna do a Super Chats?
tim pool
Oh, Super Chats.
I know, I'm sorry.
unidentified
Sure.
It's a rhyme.
tim pool
Sure.
unidentified
I'm really trying to be punctual, guys.
ian crossland
You're trying to end the show because you're tired.
unidentified
That's true, too.
I'm sorry.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Mark6889 says, Hey Tim, if Trump loses, he should come out as trans and the first female president.
Can't challenge his lived experience.
Cue the no girl meme.
Oh, that on.
unidentified
I like it.
tim pool
Matthew Perkins says, please don't bring any more pet apologists like Vosh on.
There has to be others on the left that don't dox and call women the c-word regularly.
No, I will book whoever I feel is relevant and I don't like it when people post clips that are six seconds long and then try to make accusations about people without actually presenting a legitimate case.
I got really annoyed when people are posting that video of Vosh.
Because I don't know what the full context is.
He said he was making a point about child exploitation being wrong, and they pulled it out of context because he worded it poorly.
And if someone's gonna come to me and be like, look at this out-of-context video!
It's six seconds long, you have no idea what anyone asked or what was said, and for all you know he was reading a super chat.
That's like the most ridiculous thing ever.
I'm not a fan of that.
Evan, and I will say for people I book on the show, there's like a certain group of people that are demanding that I no-platform people, which is... Not gonna happen, man.
Never gonna happen.
ian crossland
We're in a position where we really have to bridge the gap, man.
We gotta come back from this dark hole of cancel culture.
tim pool
Look, it's not even about that.
It's about, are we gonna have an interesting conversation with somebody?
Do I feel like having somebody on to talk about certain ideas?
And if the answer is yes, we're gonna do it.
unidentified
Do it.
tim pool
I'm not going to be bullied into not having people or having people.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
And so now I've got people saying, you know, I had people who were, like, upset that we had Enrique Tarrio of the Proud Boys on.
ian crossland
I thought that was a good show.
tim pool
And I was like, I don't care.
I literally don't.
ian crossland
And then me and Enrique got to talk after the show about, like, peace, like, peace, and using, like, having, turning the Proud Boys into a peace movement.
And, like, he's a legit guy.
tim pool
Look, there's a lot you can criticize him for, there's a lot you can criticize Vosh for, so long as you're getting it right.
And perhaps, you know, you can criticize Vosh for a lot of things.
But it's absurd that there are people on the right now telling me that... Here's what they're saying.
There's a handful of people saying, there's a difference between canceling someone and giving them a platform.
And I was like, right, right.
That's exactly what they said about Ben Shapiro in Berkeley.
It's not true.
It's called no platforming.
It's literally called no platforming.
And the argument is, Ben Shapiro has the world's biggest podcast.
You don't need to give him your platform.
No, we have people on to challenge his ideas.
ian crossland
Canceling someone and not giving them an opportunity are different, but they're both aspects of cancel culture.
tim pool
I agree, yeah, 100%.
Banning someone from a show after they were booked versus saying, we won't book them because we refuse to give them a platform, it's the same thing.
If you're having relevant conversations in key political areas, and I'm not building an echo chamber, you know, it's like, if you want to have your ideas robust and strong, you must challenge them.
ian crossland
Dude, I was at Burning Man, and speaking of echo chambers, there's like 60,000 Camps at Burning Man all playing a bunch of we're playing music.
So there's like 30,000 different musics going on at once and it creates this Multi echo chamber where it creates a new form of echo.
tim pool
It's really interesting Yeah, there's something really funny that happens when you take like I lived in it I lived in an apartment with three guys won't is from France Italy and Spain terrible.
Oh None of them spoke each other's first language, but they all spoke English as a second language.
So they created this very strange colloquial vocabulary amongst themselves, creating their own weird isolated bubble.
And there was a funny thing happened where, like, someone used the word defenestrate, and it was just like, it means to throw out a window.
And it's just such an obscure word.
unidentified
It's a French word, right?
tim pool
Defenestrate?
unidentified
Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
I don't know, but they were speaking English, and everyone was like, what?
It's just really funny.
ian crossland
That's kind of how the American Constitution was written.
tim pool
Defenestrate.
ian crossland
A bunch of people speaking their own languages came up with the U.S.
Constitution.
seamus coughlin
What do you mean?
unidentified
They all spoke English.
ian crossland
A bunch of different ideas, language meaning ideas, and they came up with all these rapidly different ways of looking at what they wanted it to become.
tim pool
I mean, that's just everything.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, they were pretty fairly classically liberal.
Maybe not all of them, but...
tim pool
If you haven't smashed that like button, you're making Seamus angry.
seamus coughlin
You're making me mad.
If you don't smash that like button, here's what I'm going to do.
I'm actually going to go find this video and I'm going to hit the dislike button.
Now you guys have to make up for it right now.
Smash that like button.
Smash the like button right now or I'm never coming on again.
I was supposed to be here next week.
tim pool
You know what I really want to do?
So what happened with like this no platforming thing is at the exact same time with people complaining about Vosh saying you shouldn't give him a platform, the left is just saying the same thing about Alex Jones.
Why is Spotify giving a platform to this man?
There's a difference between banning blah blah blah.
And I'm like, I would like to have Vosh and Alex Jones on the exact same time now.
Create a cancel culture singularity Like everyone's like the whole show is banned outright.
Yeah, or or it creates an inverse effect where it's like a charged black hole
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, what a white it's called a white hole.
ian crossland
No, they're different white Oh charged black hole is when a hole has to her eye of that
horizons when a black hole and I think that you can Actually use them to super accelerate so that might be a
form of like work Super-accelerated cancel culture.
tim pool
It would be really hilarious just to have on, like, a high-profile right-wing individual and left-wing individual who are, like, just, like, you know, bombastic and just... Fun.
I think it'd be fun.
unidentified
Be fun.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, here's the thing, though.
I think that it wouldn't be the over-the-top bombastic left-wing individual that would get you banned or demonetized.
unidentified
Of course.
seamus coughlin
It would almost certainly be the right-wing one.
tim pool
But then it would be a weird thing for them to be like, are we gonna ban the show with this left-wing individual on it?
ian crossland
Interesting.
But also, it's how they talk, because if he said something crazy and you're like, no, no, then they wouldn't ban it.
tim pool
No, it didn't matter.
Joe Rogan fact-checked Alex Jones on his show repeatedly, and the leftists are still screaming, but he was harassing them.
ian crossland
But they wouldn't ban it.
But if Rogan was like, oh really, let's go, and he was inciting it, they might ban it.
tim pool
It depends on what he said, maybe.
I don't know.
Matthew Hammond says, we need Seamus and Paul Shanklin on a show at the same time.
Paul Shanklin is the voice actor that does Rush Limbaugh parodies.
seamus coughlin
Oh, yeah.
I'm not familiar with him.
unidentified
Love to chat with him, but sometimes you can be Rush Limbaugh.
seamus coughlin
But my parents used to listen to Rush when I was a kid.
I remember driving around in our van.
unidentified
Just that guitar riff that would play before every single segment.
tim pool
Stupid Monkey says, Really, Seamus?
A lion sweatshirt?
You gotta be joking.
seamus coughlin
That's right.
That's right.
tim pool
Do people know where that's from?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah.
I just love the lions.
No, don't tell them.
tim pool
All right, you ready for this?
seamus coughlin
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Sebastian Monroe says, What's Seamus' best impression of Tim Pool?
seamus coughlin
So in the news today, there was a person who did a thing down by this place.
Because he's gonna like you I feel like you you you are I would need a little while to work on it
This is gonna be really bad full disclosure So in the news today, there was a person who did a thing
down by this place now the reason Significant is because Donald Trump said that this thing
was not supposed to happen. That's the best I like it.
tim pool
It depends on how much caffeine I have.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Sometimes it might be five times faster.
Let's check it out.
seamus coughlin
So I feel like I have most of your like speech pattern, like I could give most of your speech patterns if I worked at it, but the voice would be trickier for me.
That's actually...
When Tim and I first started talking, I reached out to him on Twitter and asked him to do his voice in one of my cartoons.
I was like, dude, I can't do you.
I was like, I couldn't do his voice, so I just said Tim, do it.
That's awesome.
That was great.
tim pool
And you drew me a Stan from South Park.
seamus coughlin
Basically.
tim pool
No $500.
seamus coughlin
And that was another episode, too, because I could maybe get away with doing one character this way.
With Joe Rogan, I think I kind of have his, like, maybe some of his speech patterns down, but I couldn't do his voice.
And I was like, OK, I can't have two characters who are just my voice but with different speech patterns.
I was like, Tim, please.
And then you did it.
It was very kind.
unidentified
That's awesome.
tim pool
Peter Bemis says, Freedom Tunes, Vosch said there are no right-leaning libertarians.
Your response?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I don't know.
I mean, so I've mentioned this before.
I used to be like a die-in-the-wool libertarian.
I've become more of like, I've heard, I've had some people describe me as like Chestertonian, like kind of a limited government Catholic conservative, but I have heavy libertarian leanings.
I'm not sure what he's referring to.
I'm not sure if he's referring to the origins of the word libertarian and the groups that used to use it.
tim pool
I mean, he said right populism is fascism.
seamus coughlin
Okay, right-wing populism, and how is he defining right-wing populism?
And also, how is he defining fascism?
tim pool
He gave an academic definition of fascism.
seamus coughlin
Okay.
tim pool
You know, the veneration of the nation-state, the nation-state above the individual.
seamus coughlin
Above literally everything.
tim pool
And then he said that right-populism is a, you know, I don't want to put words in his mouth, but essentially my understanding was right-wing will of the people enacted by the government.
So that's why he said right-populism is fascism.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I don't know.
I'd have to give that more thought.
What I do know is that if you actually look at the definition of fascism as was laid out by Giovanni Gentile and Benito Mussolini, it's even more insidious than just the state above all individuals.
I mean, it's the state above literally everything, every other social institution, and everything has to be achieved within the state.
You have, I think, Gentile writing, which is just a completely psychotic thought.
On top of that, I mean, it's antithetical to virtually everything I believe as a Catholic.
And the idea that, like, a limited government Catholic conservative position is anywhere near approaching fascism, I think is kind of ridiculous.
Or even a big government!
Like, even if you were, you know, sort of a Catholic conservative who thought that the state should interfere more often than I do personally, I don't think that would be fascism either.
That's kind of ridiculous.
tim pool
Yeah, you ready for this?
seamus coughlin
Sure.
tim pool
There's two parts.
The first part just for me.
Finally caught you guys live.
Tim, have you ever read One Piece?
If you get kicked from YouTube, it may be a good time to read a modern epic.
Also, and I'm assuming this is for you.
Could you do Ben Shapiro getting wisdom teeth out?
seamus coughlin
Okay, so what does that tool do?
Okay, so the Novacane?
I actually don't think the Novacane's gonna- Oh, oh, okay!
unidentified
Okay, thanks!
Oh, thanks!
Okay, thanks!
Oh my goodness!
We're gonna get it out of my face!
tim pool
You wanna know what it sounds like when Ben Shapiro's getting wisdom teeth taken out?
seamus coughlin
What?
tim pool
I mean, he's- You wanna know what it sounds like?
Alright, here, you ready?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I'm ready for yours.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
No, he does Novocaine.
seamus coughlin
I got my wisdom teeth out with Novocaine.
tim pool
He's not going to be screaming and grunting as the dentist is working on his mouth.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, he is, because the Novocaine wasn't fully kicked in.
He had to lib dentist.
My wife's a doctor, but not a dentist, so we're just going to have to go to you.
Have you guys had your wisdom?
He's going to go, maybe if you were a real doctor, like my wife.
They put water instead of Novocaine.
tim pool
The most excruciating pain I've ever felt in my life was an infected wisdom tooth that was impacted, and they had to pull it out.
seamus coughlin
The most pain I've ever felt in my life is when Cher said she'd go to Canada when Trump won.
tim pool
No, I mean it.
I had an impacted tooth, and I had just gotten back from, I think it was Morocco, and it got infected.
So the dentist jammed a chisel in and ripped it out.
seamus coughlin
Oh, that happened to me!
tim pool
And I was, I was like, I was in a cold sweat, pale, and just shaking with pain for like two days straight, and the painkillers weren't doing anything.
It was, it was, it was the worst thing ever.
ian crossland
I still have giant gaps from like 30 years ago when I got them out, or 25 years ago.
seamus coughlin
My wisdom teeth, I remember when I had them out, which is why I don't have any wisdom anymore, get it?
tim pool
I was like 16 years old.
seamus coughlin
I went there and they asked they're like what what what?
What do you guys what do you like want Donna like do you want to go under you on novocaine?
I was like which is cheaper like I wasn't yeah, but I was like I want to be a responsible citizen
It is a bill things other people so like all right. Well.
We'll do the novocaine then and so they did it and They had to chisel away like one of the teeth was too
deeply rooted And they just took like it
I think it was a chisel was something where they dug it out They broke the tooth up and dug it out, and I went home,
and I wish I still had the picture But my jaw was so swollen. I looked like a family guy
character, man It was ridiculous.
And it took several days, it did take several days for the pain to become manageable.
I was on so many pain pills.
ian crossland
Wow, I remember those days after the surgery.
tim pool
Awful dude.
Ty Chapman says, is it sad to say that Alex Jones was right on a lot of this crazy stuff?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Like throw enough crap into the wall and it will stick?
I don't know.
Have y'all seen the Joe Rogan, Alex Jones recent thing?
seamus coughlin
Is it?
tim pool
I haven't watched it.
I've only seen a couple parts.
seamus coughlin
Isn't it funny that like the only conspiracy theory that was too insane for Alex Jones was Russiagate?
He's like, no, I'm like, come on, I'm not going to do that.
unidentified
Yeah, I'm not going to go there.
seamus coughlin
Um, but no, the, uh, yeah, Alex Jones, it's strange.
He was, he has been right about a number of things.
And I think some of that is just like, if you, if you love every conspiracy theory here, you're bound to get a couple of them right.
ian crossland
And he's very well read.
unidentified
He is actually, yeah.
seamus coughlin
I don't doubt it.
tim pool
So, Kid Truck says, election night is going to be so rough.
I've got to pick whether I want to watch Crowder, you, or Daily Wire's election party.
ian crossland
All three, baby.
seamus coughlin
You want to watch us.
Here's the thing, you want to watch us, because I'm going to be here.
tim pool
I've often said that we can't Skype people on this show.
ian crossland
I think we can.
tim pool
Why is that?
Well, for one, there's an internet connectivity issue.
We have garbage internet.
I have good news, though.
The Verizon finally came and they're like, we're going to give you really good internet.
I like you.
We don't have screens.
We're all looking at each other.
I can sort of look to my right and see some screens, but I have a screen in front of me.
I could theoretically look down, but we also don't have playback from the computer into our headphones.
We just didn't set it up because I don't want to do it.
I don't want to create excuses for it.
However, we have a solution.
unidentified
We do.
tim pool
I am going to be calling in to Crowder's stream on election night.
seamus coughlin
Really?
tim pool
And we're going to take a computer, a separate computer, and we're going to run an audio out into our soundboard and point the camera at the laptop in the chair.
So at the point when we're doing the call-in, we're going to put... I would like to make like a fake person with a computer for a head.
seamus coughlin
You should have like a computer with wheels and then like a robotic arm so it can like grab a water bottle and like put it... Splash it and break itself?
tim pool
But yeah, so we're gonna do a... I'm gonna call in to Crowder.
And we're gonna put a computer here and film the computer, and you'll see the audio from... So you will have to choose, I suppose.
But what we're doing is not the same thing.
It's a party.
So my goal is to probably do like one big wide shot from here, pointing at everybody.
And then whoever is up here will be on the show, because I'm not going to be up here.
Like, I'll come up periodically.
You know, I'll come up here at the time when we do the call with Crowder, and then Crowder will be, like, you know, kind of on his show and my show at the same time, and I'll be on his show and my show at the same time.
But there might be, like, I don't know, some random people just showing up.
unidentified
Bopping around.
seamus coughlin
Are you saying that when you're gone, I can take the captain's chair?
ian crossland
It's true.
tim pool
Yes.
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
My suggestion.
unidentified
I'm going to be Tim.
seamus coughlin
Now I'm going to do my Tim Poole impression.
I'm going to go into your room, grab one of your beanies.
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
Open multiple tabs in the low weight browser like Brave, and just have, break them into four little boxes and watch all four.
Because Rogan's doing a show too.
So there's four shows.
unidentified
Rogan's doing a show?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, him and Alex Jones.
You're giving us more competition.
tim pool
He's doing Alex.
ian crossland
Yeah, Alex and Tim Dillon.
tim pool
Oh man.
unidentified
Shouldn't I triple check?
ian crossland
Yeah, on Instagram they posted about it.
unidentified
I can't wait.
tim pool
So we're going to have to compete.
Who gets the most numbers?
ian crossland
We'll find out.
seamus coughlin
That's the question.
tim pool
Nah, whatever.
seamus coughlin
Kids, tune into this, alright?
I'm gonna be here.
It's gonna be fantastic.
We're gonna be partying.
We're gonna be having a good time.
The Lids is gonna be here.
Ian's gonna be here.
Tim's gonna be here.
Jack Murphy's gonna be here.
And a bunch of other people.
Jack's gonna be here.
ian crossland
Sandra, I believe, will be in the house.
tim pool
Yeah, there's gonna be a bunch of people.
We basically invited every guest we've had.
seamus coughlin
You'll get to see me make friends.
Won't that be fun?
tim pool
That is actually fun.
We're cheering for you.
I don't want to say names and put them on the spot.
Cassandra's fine.
She's coming to hang out.
Cassandra's a good friend.
But there are some people we invited who would have to fly back out and make it a thing.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I get it.
tim pool
But I'll just tell you, there may be some really amazing, weird interactions where our past guests are all sitting around each other talking about this stuff.
It'd be really cool.
unidentified
It's like a Far Side comic or something.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Just yelling at Seamus.
tim pool
No, I mean, I think everyone's going to get along.
ian crossland
It's like that boulevard of broken dreams.
seamus coughlin
I walk a lonely road.
unidentified
That's beautiful.
I love it.
Thank you, Seamus.
seamus coughlin
You're welcome.
unidentified
That's good.
tim pool
Gen Z says, my friend is a registered Democrat, though he is voting Trump.
He has received six ballots himself here in Pennsylvania.
unidentified
What?
Wow.
ian crossland
Oh, man.
tim pool
That's crazy.
seamus coughlin
I need a Snopes fact check on that one, guys, before I react.
I don't gasp unless I get a fact check.
unidentified
That's right.
Okay, hold on.
I can't.
Sorry.
tim pool
Royal Canadian Moose says, Do you think the beachhead that Trump had created in the culture war, that things will change when he leaves office?
Or will it just have been a battle won in a losing war?
If Trump loses, if they're like, I'm sorry, man, the Republicans have to win everything.
Otherwise, it's over.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I don't agree.
tim pool
In terms of the culture war.
ian crossland
I think Trump is a big reason why the culture war is inflamed right now.
tim pool
I believe you are incorrect.
ian crossland
I think he's just a political hysteria.
He just says like, the left, the right, like when he talks like, the president should not be talking about that.
seamus coughlin
I got no problem with that.
tim pool
What you need to understand is, the issues of the culture war started a decade ago, well before Trump.
Good.
We have trainings occurring in the government where they're taking white people on retreats to make them renounce their
you know white privilege and supremacy And whatever good that stuff is going to get substantially
worse And there will be nothing on the right with any kind of
institutional power to stop it I don't remember Biden's gonna pack the courts like look
seamus coughlin
here's the thing the Democrats are terrified of Trump They're terrified of the fact that he got into office
They're terrified of what could happen if he gets a second term if they win
They're gonna do everything that they can to remove political power from the Republican Party
Like they're gonna do everything they can to remove the checks and balances that are in place which allow for a
transition of power to occur That's already what they did right? They didn't really let
Trump Trump.
have uh...
have in actual real term as a president they kept distracting him by picking up
phony scandals and they tried to impeach him over nothing so they're constantly
impeding his agenda which is uh... something to be expected to some degree
but on the level that it happened to trump it was totally unprecedented so
i'm i'm genuinely really frightened about what the democrats will do if they
tim pool
win i got i got i got i'll tell you what they're gonna do We have an update.
We have a super chat from Bo Jess.
He says, Governor Gretchen Whitmer rolled out more draconian orders, including giving restaurants our name and phone numbers to get service.
Noncompliance equals $1,000 fine or six months in jail.
Michiganders, go sign recall petitions Trump 2020.
I do agree with that.
seamus coughlin
Do you think that?
ian crossland
Sign recall petitions.
That girl is incredibly insane.
seamus coughlin
So do you guys think that the lockdown stuff, though, starts to end if Biden gets elected?
tim pool
If Biden gets elected?
If Biden gets elected, it's going to get extremely severe, and then... They'll go, it worked!
ian crossland
It's a shutdown, not a lockdown, which is an important distinction.
tim pool
Nothing's really been locked down in the United States.
If Trump wins, I think it'll just reopen.
ian crossland
Every time there's an election the people say this is the the biggest moment in our history every time there's a Year, this is the one this is it's like dude.
seamus coughlin
It's always the one it's always Maybe it is maybe the stakes actually are continually being raised there wasn't in 2016 2012 in 2008 2004 there wasn't What are we on now month?
tim pool
in 2008-2004 there wasn't what are we on now month six is it six
unidentified
Of what?
Four.
ian crossland
Of the pandemic?
Since March, right?
tim pool
No, no, no, five months of rioting.
Five months of sporadic rioting, escalating, mass rioting.
ian crossland
Can I say that it's not really a pandemic?
A pandemic would have killed a lot of people.
It's an official pandemic.
tim pool
It is officially a pandemic?
Yeah, the official definition of pandemic, it is a pandemic.
ian crossland
Meaning that it's an epidemic that is across the globe?
tim pool
Yeah, reaching several different countries.
So, we are dealing with pandemic, we are dealing with mass rioting and unrest.
Yeah, this is unprecedented.
That's true, I think.
And we're dealing with— Well, there's the Spanish flu.
We're dealing with the Russiagate investigation, Ukrainegate investigation, impeachment.
ian crossland
Like, we have the media.
In 1919, it was the Spanish flu.
World War I, which was way worse than what we got going on now.
But there was no media.
tim pool
So I'm just saying the extent to which... The extent to which they have tried to destroy Donald Trump in office is unprecedented as far as I can tell.
ian crossland
You know, we don't have kids coming back from a global trench warfare, so at least it's not that bad.
unidentified
True.
tim pool
Yeah.
But that wasn't about the election.
ian crossland
That was just a terrible time in history.
tim pool
Yeah, right now we're talking about there are two divergent realities.
And I really do believe that the left is comprised of low-information voters who only watch mainstream media, or typically do.
unidentified
Typically.
ian crossland
Or don't watch it at all.
tim pool
When I was watching Juan Williams on Fox News, he was like, Jesse, I've got the Wall Street Journal that says Joe Biden had no role in these companies.
What is wrong with you?
And I'm just thinking like, You must have really low critical thinking skills.
Because the accusation... No, no, it's true.
Joe Biden had no role in these companies.
And he was using his family members as intermediaries because he couldn't legally do it.
So if you're someone who's really a, you know, low information voter, you're like, oh, Joe Biden, no role.
There, we're done.
It's fake news!
seamus coughlin
Well, yeah, I think I was telling you about this a while ago, but there was a video I was making a while ago sort of parodying the Joe Biden Ukrainian scandal, and I looked up a fact check about it just to make sure I had everything right.
It's good to read some, like, opposing information.
And it was a similar thing where it was, like, it was factually accurate what the fact check was saying, but they were completely missing the point.
So what they said was, well, there was no foul play here because, yes, while Joe Biden did have this, there was An instance where Joe Biden basically got an investigator fired by threatening to withhold aid.
This was actually Obama administration policy and not something Joe Biden just came up with on his own.
It's like okay, but yeah.
Do you think he had some influence?
Do you think he had some influence over what Obama administration policy might be as the Vice President of the United States?
ian crossland
Yeah, and I have a feeling he wasn't like, no, no, Barack, I can't do it.
seamus coughlin
No, don't make me.
No way, don't.
Those aren't the terms he discussed it in.
Those are not the terms he discussed it in.
tim pool
All right, we got some more super chats.
Dustin says, just watched the Vosh interview.
Interesting.
Interesting watch.
Well done keeping your cool with the dude.
I mean, you know, we went off each other a little bit.
ian crossland
Vosh did a live stream today talking about it.
I haven't seen it.
I popped in at the very beginning.
tim pool
Versified says, used to work at a Unilever owned company.
They are super woke.
And when management found out that I am a free thinker, my own team canceled me.
seamus coughlin
Oof.
ian crossland
What was the Unilever thing again?
seamus coughlin
Wait, I just grunted without a fact check.
tim pool
Oh, Ben & Jerry's.
Interesting.
I want to get into talk religion with you, man.
On some show someday, we should just do religion talk.
Yeah, that'd be cool.
Check this out.
That'd be totally cool.
LDS Church and former secretary of the Department of Agriculture spoke before the October 1968 General
Conference of the LDS Church about the corruption And secret combinations within US government interesting. I
ian crossland
want to get into talk religion with you man on some show someday
tim pool
We should do a legend talk check this out. I'd be totally cool. I'd love that John Hutto says since Bolton US
drone strikes down 75%.
Oh, wow.
Yemen 2018 to 41.
unidentified
2019, 11.
tim pool
That's crazy.
It makes sense.
ian crossland
Oh, that's awesome.
Bolton was such a chump.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
ian crossland
That mustache, too.
That's like weird.
tim pool
Nicholas Whitmore says, who remembers back in the 2016 elections when people thought Trump would bring on more war and Clinton was all about peace?
seamus coughlin
I never thought that, to be honest.
ian crossland
The left did.
seamus coughlin
Where's the Snopes fact check?
No, that's true.
That's right.
They're like, Trump is going to start World War III.
And I, let me tell you, I made a prediction and I saw it in my Facebook memories and I said, What are you voting for?
World War III or Second Civil War?
It's all about the sequel.
Which one are you going to go with?
And you know what?
That turned out to be right.
That turned out to be disturbingly accurate.
It does look like we're in for a civil war.
I'm not going to say I guarantee it, but I'm pretty proud of myself for spotting that.
ian crossland
When I was in California, I think it was 2015, maybe 2016, I used to sit there with a pit in my stomach thinking, we're going to get nuked.
North Korea's going to fire a nuclear missile and hit us on the west coast.
It was that bad.
seamus coughlin
Wow, you really thought that.
ian crossland
I'm sorry, man.
Good for you, though.
Good, you've got hope.
I'm sorry, man.
I had to, so I left the state.
I was terrified.
seamus coughlin
Good for you, though.
ian crossland
We have not anymore at all.
I have, that feeling has completely vanished.
seamus coughlin
Good, you've got hope.
tim pool
It's a virtue.
We have a very important Super Chat.
Zach30 says, Brett Novak's videos of you skating are amazing.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Specifically the hang 10 hardflip, your height is amazing.
unidentified
Dude.
tim pool
That's right, ladies and gentlemen, if you go to youtube.com slash Bragic, B-R-A-G-I-C, it's my buddy Brett Novak, and you can search for Tim Pool and Brett Novak and see, we've done a ton of videos over the past decade, past decades, and there's like, one of the earliest YouTube videos ever is him filming me skating in this warehouse.
And it's not the greatest skating in the world, because I was just, we're just hanging out and screwing around in one winter.
But, uh, check out Brett's channel.
He's got some of the best skate videos.
It's cinematic and really, really amazing stuff.
But you should, uh, you should check it out.
If you like skateboarding, subscribe to his channel.
And, uh, thanks for the super chat.
Uh, DRTisKing says, get Razor Fist on.
He'd be in... He'd be in color for a change.
unidentified
Oh, I see.
tim pool
Yes, yes, yes.
That's correct.
Turnabout Turnip says, the U.S.S.R.
still functions in Hollywood and various university professors.
seamus coughlin
Look, this is why I said Russia has spread its error, right?
A lot of the ideas have moved in different parts of the world and infected people's hearts, minds, and souls, but the actual Russian government, the actual physical government of the U.S.S.R.
is no more.
But I hear what he's saying, and I totally agree.
I totally agree.
unidentified
It's in China, I mean, pretty much, right?
tim pool
Well, Hi All says, Tim, will you ever have Sargon of Akkad on?
I have probably invited Sargon like 57 times.
seamus coughlin
He's too controversial for Tim.
tim pool
No, he's busy.
First of all, he's in the UK and he's working.
And so I'm like, dude, just let me know.
And he's like, yeah, yeah.
He's like, well, we'll figure it out.
And I'd love to have Sargon on.
That'd be great.
That'd be fantastic.
ian crossland
Let's see.
tim pool
American Honesty says, Tim, I just went to my podcast app to find the latest pod.
They're cut off at May 11th.
The last few days were on there earlier.
Now last one showing is May 11th.
unidentified
Hmm.
ian crossland
Which, uh, well, I know it'd be hard to get back.
Which one were you on?
tim pool
Which podcast?
Well, because I have two podcasts.
I've got TimCastIRL and then TimCastDailyShow.
So, Tim Pool Daily Show.
Politically Defiant says, Shamus, Tim, Lydia, and Ian, good evening.
Shamus.
unidentified
Hello.
tim pool
Do anyone, uh, do have anyone that does Michael Winslow and sound effects?
Plus, Alex F. wants his jacket back.
After all, he wasn't always a peace officer.
He made an infraction or two in his youth.
Please, Peterson as Tim.
seamus coughlin
I'm not sure.
tim pool
Was that code?
unidentified
I don't know.
seamus coughlin
Some kind of code.
I think I might have misunderstood some of that.
I'm not sure I caught all that.
I apologize.
I feel bad.
I feel bad when someone sends money and then I don't know what they said.
unidentified
Thank you.
We appreciate it.
seamus coughlin
We very much appreciate it.
ian crossland
You're awesome.
tim pool
Anthony says, Hey Tim, I really think a good guest to have is Dave Smith from Part of the Problem slash Legion of Skanks.
He's one of the leading voices in the Liberty Movement and could give the best philosophical representation of anarcho-capitalism for this audience.
That would be very interesting.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I don't agree with all of his takes, again, especially as I'm not as libertarian as I used to be, but culturally, I think Dave Smith makes almost all the right noises.
He's very insightful as well.
tim pool
Josh P. says, Tim, I know you've already said that you'll have whoever you want on the show, but due to his attacks on anime, I believe you should cancel all future Freedom Tune shows.
seamus coughlin
Wait, hold on a second.
This is ridiculous.
If criticizing anime means that I'm no longer able to do Tim Pool's podcast, then I guess I'm just out.
ian crossland
What anime do you hate the most?
seamus coughlin
I just hate it as a general idea.
You know, just the concept of anime.
ian crossland
Animated anything?
seamus coughlin
I just, not animated.
I mean, I like when things are animated.
It's kind of my wheelhouse.
But anime, I mean, maybe I'm too harsh on it.
Maybe I'm close-minded.
I saw an anime when I was a younger man.
tim pool
He just doesn't like Asian people.
seamus coughlin
All right, this is, Tim is leveling the accusation here.
unidentified
That's obvious.
tim pool
I need to be honest.
seamus coughlin
I'm a phony.
I have no strong feelings about anime one way or the other.
ian crossland
It's horrible.
tim pool
If you like animation, but you don't like anime, then what you're really saying is you're
racist against Asian people.
That's it.
seamus coughlin
That's the only explanation.
I need to be honest.
I'm a phony.
I have no strong feelings about anime.
Do you?
ian crossland
Have you guys ever seen Sword Art Online?
seamus coughlin
It's horrible.
ian crossland
I've heard of it.
Have you seen Sword Art Online?
seamus coughlin
No, I've not seen Sword Art.
ian crossland
It was great at first, and then I stopped watching.
But it's about a VR world that everyone goes into, and then the guy who created the world
goes crazy and locks everyone inside.
And if you die in the world, you die in real life.
But one guy has already played the beta, and he's the main character, so he knows the game.
It's awesome.
That's nuts.
seamus coughlin
How's it going?
tim pool
Tim, you know Secular Talk?
That guy is so far in his bubble.
Reminds me if you went more left after 2015-16.
He's a smart guy, but damn.
Anyway, love you guys.
seamus coughlin
Kalinsky?
tim pool
Kyle Kalinsky.
Yeah, he's a cool dude.
ian crossland
He's alright.
tim pool
Let's see.
Kix says, that movie sounds like Daddy Issues the movie.
Here's another epically bad but hysterical movie for you to watch.
The FP.
This is a dystopian future where gangs settle turf wars through dance dance revolution.
I laughed for 90 minutes straight.
seamus coughlin
And this isn't a parody?
tim pool
I guess not.
seamus coughlin
I think so.
unidentified
Sounds blatant.
FP.
seamus coughlin
Let's look it up.
That is what happens on the south side of Chicago if you ever go out there.
tim pool
Oh, it's all dance battles.
No, it's not.
Mitch2 says, Tim, thanks to you I have a newfound respect for anti-war, but I need to hear you talk with boots on the ground to get the full context.
Please have Tim Kennedy, Jocko Willink, or Dan Crenshaw on to discuss foreign policy.
Oh, definitely, definitely.
I've never been in Afghanistan or Iraq.
I've been in urban unrest and revolution in Egypt and things like that, so I've not been in a situation where I'm in a bullet-ridden building and they're shooting everywhere.
But we had Sean Parnell on, and he was kind of like half in agreement, like, we need to draw down our forces, but we need to maintain a presence, otherwise we get a power vacuum that can create something like ISIS.
And I respect that 100%.
seamus coughlin
Are you familiar with Scott Horton?
tim pool
I am not.
seamus coughlin
Okay, I don't agree with him on everything, but his foreign policy journalism is really brilliant.
I'd strongly recommend it.
unidentified
Horton?
seamus coughlin
Scott Horton.
Horton, okay.
unidentified
I'm gonna write him down.
tim pool
Sockpuppet Joe says, will you have Matt and Blonde on?
Oh, of course!
unidentified
They already have a standing invite.
ian crossland
Oh, Matt Christensen.
tim pool
Yeah, Matt Christensen.
He's awesome.
He's great.
I'm pretty sure he's far away from here.
He is, and he does not want to visit us.
Oh, there you go.
unidentified
Rude.
ian crossland
You heard it here first, folks.
tim pool
He hates us!
Vasht says, anime was a mistake.
How do we ban someone from permanently on YouTube?
seamus coughlin
No, we're not doing that.
unidentified
You're banned!
tim pool
That's the only thing!
No free speech for you!
unidentified
I refuse to ban you for saying anime sucks.
tim pool
Missy Riley says, I live in Michigan.
Gretchen Whitmer is an insufferable screech owl.
Every time someone comes against her, she throws a pissy fit and takes it out on the entire state.
seamus coughlin
That sounds pretty sexist to me.
I think if a man did all the exact same things, she'd call him a strong leader.
tim pool
Logan Matthews says, the Spanish Civil War, research this.
I believe we are witnessing a communist revolution, despite who wins the election.
Yeah, it looks like it, yeah.
JB Palmer says, you can't have Alex Jones on unless you have Joe Rogan there to wrangle him.
ian crossland
Correct, yes, you need one.
tim pool
We do seem to be tracking very similar to the Spanish Civil War, if you watch.
I watched a history video about it, like breaking it down.
It's creepy.
seamus coughlin
Just need another St.
Josemaría Escriva.
unidentified
What was it?
ian crossland
It was the fascist?
seamus coughlin
He's just a Catholic saint I very much admire who came from that era.
Yeah, he was the communist and the fascists.
A big part of his ministry was about like sanctifying your life and yourself and becoming a better person and holier person through your work.
Whereas because the communists have a strictly materialistic worldview, they think the only value of work can be the material which you create or the material that it provides you with.
tim pool
We just got a really, really great recommendation, and I think you have to make this.
Denine says, we need a cartoon of Tim and Ben Shapiro talking and getting faster and faster until some wormhole in space-time opens up.
Also, Obama called the right clingers.
seamus coughlin
What a rude guy.
He also said I cling to their guns and their Bibles.
I think Tim and Ben Shapiro could be funny.
I was going to do a video forever ago with Ben Shapiro and Camille Paglia because they both talk really, really quickly.
They actually kind of have similar speech patterns as well.
I think Tim and Ben Shapiro could work as well.
tim pool
What if you do a thing where it's like all of the fastest-talking commentators?
seamus coughlin
This is all in one room together?
tim pool
And they just keep talking faster and faster, and then like... There's micromachines.
Wormhole.
But then it zooms out.
The room is slowly zooming out as they're talking faster and faster.
And then you see there's a window, and there's a scientist standing outside, and they're inside a warp drive in a Star Trek ship.
unidentified
And then it goes... I love it.
seamus coughlin
That's fantastic.
That's the feel.
I love it.
Fast-talking political commentators.
unidentified
That's right!
tim pool
Sorry, I was asking if you had anyone that does their own sound effects like Michael Winslow.
Then I was inferring that your jacket was Beverly Hills Cop.
I'm gonna go to you.
unidentified
Culture commentary.
tim pool
What nine?
unidentified
Yeah, man.
tim pool
Politically Defiant says, sorry, I was asking if you had anyone that does their own sound
effects like Michael Winslow.
OK, then I was inferring that your jacket was Beverly Hills Cop.
OK, reference three.
I was asking if you could do a Jordan Peterson impression if you were to parody Tim.
unidentified
It's like, all right, so let me think about Tim Pool.
Tim Poole talks like, okay, so today Donald Trump did this thing that we have to look at because it's very important for us to examine this issue.
seamus coughlin
That's that's a Jordan Peterson.
unidentified
I love it.
I love it.
tim pool
Now what about Tim Poole doing Jordan Peterson?
seamus coughlin
Oh, that's way tougher.
I don't know.
Here's why that would be difficult, because when I did the Jordan Peterson imitating Tim Poole, I did the Jordan Peterson voice with the Tim Poole mannerisms, but I can't do the Tim Poole voice to do the Jordan Peterson mannerisms.
The only Tim Poole impression I have is his mannerisms.
I don't have his voice down.
I'm sorry to let you down.
tim pool
Matthew Smith says, Tim, you've been a big inspiration.
Matthew Smith says, Tim, you've been a big inspiration for my 15-year-old son.
He has his own YouTube channel where he exposes all the critical race theory and BLM indoctrination in high school.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
seamus coughlin
That's great.
unidentified
I can't click the link, but... Yeah, we don't do links in comments.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know.
unidentified
That's neat, though.
tim pool
You can give me the name of the channel.
I will shout it out.
Cheers, man.
seamus coughlin
Good for him.
Start young.
By the way, I think I do maybe have a Tim Pool.
If you're not going to embody the archetypal mythos of the hero by metaphorically dying, you're never going to catch the snake, folks.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Yeah, but I would probably actually do an impersonation of Jordan Peterson.
seamus coughlin
I want to hear your impersonation of Jordan Peterson.
tim pool
I don't know if I can do it right now.
A lot of my impersonations have to just happen.
seamus coughlin
I'm not like you.
tim pool
I don't practice this kind of thing.
seamus coughlin
You're not a psycho like I am and you can just belt these out.
tim pool
Yeah, you can just instantly turn into Ben Shapiro.
seamus coughlin
It's weird.
It's a strange thing.
I don't know what it is.
I think it starts, maybe I've mentioned this before, but I kind of, I'll inadvertently notice that I'm sponging off of someone's personality if I spend enough time around them or like listen to enough of their content.
tim pool
You're talking faster and faster.
unidentified
Okay, I'm starting to turn into Temple.
seamus coughlin
Especially when I'm animating, too, I'll listen to podcasts, and sometimes that person's voice will just seep into my brain, and then I'll realize that I'm using phrases that that person usually uses, and I'll flag and be like, oh, that's a phrase Ben Shapiro uses, that's not a Seamus phrase, and I put that in the Ben Shapiro voice category, and then later it comes back, which is part of why it's difficult for me to do impressions of people who I genuinely don't like.
Usually my impressions of people who I like are a lot better than my impressions of people who I don't like because it's just aggravating for me to put myself in the headspace of a person who I genuinely find difficult to think about.
ian crossland
Dude, I wrote some songs with really negative lyrics.
It's hard to sing those songs over and over again.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
ian crossland
It reinforces that.
seamus coughlin
I could totally see that.
tim pool
Let's see.
Walking Conundrum says, I recommend the anime Dr. Stone and Legend of Legendary Heroes.
seamus coughlin
Bunch of weebs, Tim.
tim pool
Their story fans are irrelevant today.
Dr. Stone's awesome.
You know what it's about?
seamus coughlin
No.
tim pool
So it's like, it's really weird.
seamus coughlin
Friendship heroes wise?
tim pool
For some reason, everyone gets turned to stone.
And then this- Well, that's awesome.
And then it's like 10,000 or 15,000 years in the future.
And one of the dudes who's a super genius like turns to normal, but humanity is like wiped out.
So everyone's living in tribal villages, but he knows all of this science.
The reason the show's cool is because, like, I only watch a couple episodes, but he's like, we're gonna build a cell phone.
How do we do it?
And then they actually go through, like, how do you mine the rock?
How do you turn it into wire?
seamus coughlin
That's really cool.
tim pool
So you're, like, watching an anime where there's conflict.
But I'm actually like, I didn't know how that's how you made filament.
He made vacuum tubes and explained why you use vacuum tubes for, like... You can make graphene in vacuum tubes.
It's like Bill Nye, but actually interesting, you know?
seamus coughlin
Bill Nye the bachelor's in mechanical engineering guy.
tim pool
Alright, let's see what we got here.
ian crossland
Chemical vapor deposition.
tim pool
Control alt right says, Tim man, when are you getting back on the road to cover stuff
like back in Occupy Wall Street days and or send people out to cover it would be cool.
There are people, it's the scanner crew, SCNR, and they've done a bunch of things.
They're editorially independent.
I don't tell them what they can or can't do.
They do their thing, so I don't know what they're covering.
I probably won't be on the ground for a while just because the more content I make, the higher my profile, and the worse security risks have become.
So like, I stopped doing it because Antifo was threatening me and posting pictures of my mom and stuff.
I couldn't do it.
So I was like, okay.
It was becoming like, I would go to events and people would look for me.
unidentified
Protect Tim's mom, guys.
ian crossland
I always like that story of like the the great warrior youth that goes out and lives in my fights and then
Eventually they retire to the throne and that's just all right
Wait their days in the chamber like commanding from the centerpiece because they want to protect him
tim pool
You know Matthew Smith who mentioned that his 15 year old son has a YouTube channel where he exposes critical race
theory and BLM indoctrination In his high school. He said 15 year old son's channel name
is called Maxim Smith Okay.
M-A-X-I-M S-M-I-T-H.
I'm writing it down.
Might not be... It's sometimes difficult to do a search on YouTube because YouTube is really trying to prop up big mainstream media.
seamus coughlin
Yeah.
tim pool
But y'all should see if you can find that channel, Linda.
ian crossland
Usually you can type in YouTube.com slash...
Channel name, right?
seamus coughlin
Not always.
Sometimes people name their channel, but the URL's already taken.
It took me a while to get the Freedom Tunes URL.
tim pool
And I always tell people, don't subscribe to other people's channels.
Like, don't promote them.
Subscribe if you watch the content and you plan on watching it again.
Because if I said, like, hey everybody, go watch Seamus's... Which you should.
seamus coughlin
Freedom Tunes.
tim pool
But if they don't end up watching, it's bad for your channel.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, if I have a bunch of subs you don't watch.
tim pool
Because YouTube will be like, oh, it must not be working.
The channel must be bad.
seamus coughlin
But guys, if you want to be bad for my channel, just go to YouTube.com slash Freedom Tunes.
That's Freedom T-O-O-N-S.
You know, subscribe, check the content out.
I think you'll enjoy our newest video.
ian crossland
You're also on Twitter, right?
seamus coughlin
Also on Twitter, yeah.
I really want to plug the YouTube channel, though, so y'all can see the new video I did about Joe Biden.
But yes, Twitter is at Seamus underscore Coghlan, and my name is spelled S-E-A-M-U-S underscore C-O-U-G-H-L-I-N.
tim pool
Seth Tower Heard says, Lion's Hoodie.
I lived in Brookfield from 2012 to 2013.
Always wondered if I ever ran into Tim, Seamus, etc.
Maybe.
I was not there at that time.
seamus coughlin
No, yeah.
That is funny, though.
It's a small world.
So when I was a little kid, we lived in the inner city, but we moved out to the suburbs when I was a small lad.
But the entire extended family lived on the south side, so we were out there a lot.
It's just, it's a small world because when I came and met Tim, like him and a number of other people here and a number of other people who have been guests are all from the same area.
tim pool
Jack Murphy.
seamus coughlin
Yeah, Jack Murphy.
I was talking with him about it yesterday.
We were like waxing about portillos.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's crazy.
ian crossland
What's all your favorite anime and why is it Jojo's Bizarre Adventure?
Also Tim, props for not caving to the audience when they tell you who to get.
tim pool
We have an important super chat. Seth Goldberg says, What's all your favorite anime and why is it JoJo's Bizarre
Adventure?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Also, Tim, props for not caving to the audience when they tell you who to get.
My favorite anime. Objectively, the best anime.
Death Note, excuse me.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
There's no question.
seamus coughlin
That's the only anime I've ever seen any part of.
I had an ex-girlfriend who was watching it and she's like, watch it with me.
I was like, okay, this is like, this is actually kind of engaging.
unidentified
It is, yeah.
tim pool
The first season, like the first half of Death Note's, like, story arc is...
Oh yeah, that show's awesome.
seamus coughlin
I didn't finish it.
tim pool
The last arc is good.
It's good.
But the first part with Elle and Light is just some of the best storytelling.
Oh, it is so good.
seamus coughlin
You know what?
Actually, in college, a buddy of mine and I, my roommate, we watched the Netflix adaptation of Death Note.
Oh, no.
unidentified
Oh, man.
seamus coughlin
It was bad.
It was bad.
unidentified
Painful.
ian crossland
I think mine's Cowboy Bebop, but I haven't seen much of it.
unidentified
Oh, dude.
ian crossland
It's really good.
seamus coughlin
You guys are all weebs and I'm sick.
The music's awesome.
tim pool
Cowboy Bebop is one of the best shows, period, ever.
And it's so unfortunate that it ended up getting cancelled so early.
I guess, I was reading about it, it's because it was very violent.
Gun, blood, people getting shot.
And at the time, when the show was on in Japan, there was a big push against heavy violence and stuff.
ian crossland
Are they disarmed, the population of Japan?
tim pool
I think so, I don't know.
I'm sure.
seamus coughlin
I'm pretty sure they have strict gun control laws in Japan.
tim pool
Here's the last super chat because we're a little bit over.
We're gonna wrap.
Why is that?
That's actually pretty funny.
We're gonna wrap kimchi 93 says you need to do a freedom tunes as Tim pool as Alex Jones Tim for worse
unidentified
Why that's all right. That's actually pretty funny. Why is everybody's telling what to do?
tim pool
Because they want to hear Jordan Peterson and Alex Jones mud wrestle, but they can't make it happen and you can
seamus coughlin
No, it's actually it's extremely flattering.
I do appreciate that people love the cartoon so much that they want to recommend ideas.
tim pool
So you're gonna Jordan Peterson and Alex Jones mud wrestling?
seamus coughlin
Well, we'll talk about it later, Tim.
I'm just gonna get real mugged.
ian crossland
Get real slippery slapping sound.
tim pool
Guys, my chair broke.
seamus coughlin
It did.
ian crossland
No!
tim pool
Did you notice that?
seamus coughlin
Is this your way of telling me I can't sit in the captain's seat on election night?
tim pool
No, it's my way of saying that's our show, everybody.
unidentified
Thanks for hanging out.
ian crossland
I think we'll be able to fix that.
tim pool
We're a little over.
Yeah, I just pulled the thing off and threw it because I'm like, I don't know what happened.
It just hit me in the leg.
But hey, we're a little bit over, so we're going to wrap it up.
But thanks for hanging out, everybody.
Seamus, I heard that you make cartoons.
seamus coughlin
I do, actually.
I make cartoons, I voice them, write a lot of them.
It's gotten to the point, I'm very blessed I have some people who are able to help me because of the money that we're pulling in.
But we could always use help because ad revenue is pretty unreliable.
YouTube can be fickle.
So if you want to help us make more, check us out at patreon.com slash freedomtunes.
The channel itself is youtube.com slash freedomtunes.
We upload a video at least once a week.
tim pool
T-O-O-N-S.
seamus coughlin
T-O-O-N-S.
And I think, political or otherwise, we might be one of the, if not the only animated channel that does upload a new cartoon every single week.
I think maybe... Wow.
Yeah, yeah.
Those are talented.
Animation is pretty dead on YouTube.
tim pool
Yep, definitely.
seamus coughlin
I think that there might be one channel or the other, but even they skip more often.
Like, we are really consistent.
It is every Thursday and sometimes on Tuesdays as well.
unidentified
Oh, nice.
Cool.
ian crossland
You got a team, right?
seamus coughlin
Yeah, I've got a small team of freelancers at this point, because there's just no way I could do it all on my own anymore.
Oh, that's awesome.
And we've also expanded towards... I didn't want all my eggs in the YouTube basket, so we've expanded towards taking on clients as well.
So if you are a business or you work at some kind of think tank or religious organization... Or if you want to see mud wrestling... Yeah, yeah.
But no, if you're looking for animation, hit us up.
tim pool
You have a Twitter?
seamus coughlin
Yes, at Seamus underscore Coughlin.
It is spelled impossibly.
S-E-A-M-U-S underscore C-O-U-G-H-L-I-N.
If you put a link in the description.
Seamus Coughlin.
Yeah, Seamus Coughlin.
But there's an underscore also.
So yeah, check it out.
Thank you so much.
God bless.
tim pool
You guys can of course follow Ian.
ian crossland
You can call me, not on the phone, because I won't answer that.
You can call me at Ian Crossland.
I don't know why I said call me.
seamus coughlin
Wouldn't it be funny if you just gave everyone your phone number?
Give me a text!
It's Ian Crossland.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, hit me up on Twitter.
tim pool
You can follow at Sour Patch Lids.
You can, I'm over here.
unidentified
L-Y-D-S.
tim pool
And of course, smash that like button on your way out.
You can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, at TimCast.
Check out my other YouTube channels, YouTube.com slash TimCast, YouTube.com slash TimCastNews.
We have someone coming tomorrow, right?
unidentified
We do.
It is Christopher... Guys, guys, guys, guys.
It's Chris Rufo.
seamus coughlin
Christopher Steele.
unidentified
Chris Rufo.
tim pool
He better not cancel on us now.
unidentified
He's coming.
He's not canceling.
I got him all squared away.
I got him pinned, guys.
tim pool
He's coming.
This is the foremost expert on the critical race theory stuff outside of James Lindsay.
So Chris Ruffo, he's the guy who went on Fox News and called on Trump to ban the stuff that Trump did.
So this is going to be very, very in-depth on the wokeness, intersectionality and stuff.
And it's going to be a whole lot of me going, I agree.
unidentified
I agree.
tim pool
Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
We'll be back tomorrow at 8 p.m.
live and we'll see you then.
unidentified
Bye, guys.
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