All Episodes
Oct. 28, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
02:13:51
Timcast IRL - Riots Erupt, Jack Murphy ATTACKED By Antifa In DC, Riots Continue EVERYWHERE
Participants
Main voices
i
ian crossland
12:14
j
jack murphy
39:14
t
tim pool
01:16:36
Appearances
l
lydia smith
03:09
| Copy link to current segment

Speaker Time Text
unidentified
You You
jack murphy
Last night in Washington DC Philadelphia and New York City Antifa Black Lives Matter go crazy blowing up things
Burning down buildings smashing windows looting stores rioting again all over again now just a few days away from the
election Twice.
What triggered it? Who knows?
Why couldn't they wait?
Why couldn't they wait?
What's going on?
Why is the police department in Washington, D.C.
under attack right now?
Why are people looting?
Why are people driving their cars through police lines?
Twice.
Twice.
Why are stores being looted?
Why are people wheeling away washers and dryers on dollies out of Walmart?
How many Walmarts do we need to loot until we've reached racial equality?
Tim, Ian, these are the questions that were facing us tonight.
unidentified
Seven.
Yeah.
lydia smith
Okay.
jack murphy
Yeah.
I don't know.
I think we just need to loot a few more Walmarts, maybe a Best Buy, if those things even exist.
Circuit City?
Anybody ever heard of Circuit City?
unidentified
Oh yeah!
jack murphy
Maybe they should loot a blockbuster and that will like close the loop on this entire thing.
There's one left.
tim pool
They did this really cool thing where they made a 90s style living room and you could Airbnb it.
And so there was like 90s era snacks and like a TV.
It gave me a really good idea for a business where you create uh different era airbnbs like you get like a warehouse or like a multi-unit building and you got a 50s 60s 70s 80s 90s 2000s and 2010 style place and then it's like you spend a night in a place imagine this you go into like the 80s room and the tv is on a a loop a 24-hour playlist of a bunch of different channels you literally like see what's on mtv nice could you go to like the porn channel it's blurry remember that no
ian crossland
When you didn't pay for it, it was all green and red.
tim pool
You'd have actual snacks from that era.
jack murphy
Like combos.
tim pool
Combos?
jack murphy
Combos.
Combos are from the 90s.
unidentified
I have five boxes of combos now.
jack murphy
In the pantry downstairs, it looks like a combos outlet store.
unidentified
I thought I was buying 10 bags for the party.
tim pool
I bought 10 cases on accident.
jack murphy
When I walked in the door here, that was the first thing.
The first thing I had to see was the combos for life.
lydia smith
Combo's Castle, baby.
jack murphy
This is Combo's Castle.
That's what we're calling this place.
tim pool
I hope enough people show up to eat them all.
lydia smith
Please.
jack murphy
I had half a bag.
tim pool
They're good.
lydia smith
Be careful with those.
ian crossland
These guys are nasty.
unidentified
Delicious.
jack murphy
Perfect.
High quality food product.
unidentified
Anyway, anyway, anyway.
tim pool
We had Jack just do that opening shout-out because Jack got attacked by Antifa in his own neighborhood.
jack murphy
Dude, so I have been doing on the street reporting right in the riots in DC end of May throughout June a little bit in July go downtown watch and observe the looting, the arson, the vandalism, the destruction, the assaults on police officers.
tim pool
Well, let's go through it.
jack murphy
We're gonna go through it.
tim pool
Yeah, I'll just do the normal intro plug and then we'll throw it right to you.
jack murphy
Alright.
tim pool
So, subscribe, the notification bell, we're live.
Hit the like button, all that stuff.
Jack's doing the intro because Jack's the one who got to face that anti-fascist.
And I will mention too, we had anti-fascist socialist Vosh just here the other day sitting in that very chair.
jack murphy
I can tell.
tim pool
And you notice there was a water bottle there.
jack murphy
Somebody left a pallet of water bottles here for us.
tim pool
And you were like, you gave a water bottle to anti-fascists?
That's like their source of power.
jack murphy
Did you get hit in the head?
tim pool
No, Vosh was alright.
We did not.
We had a long, it was like four hours.
jack murphy
That's what I heard.
tim pool
But anyway.
So, uh, we threw it to you to open because riots are breaking out right now.
jack murphy
Right now.
tim pool
That's crazy.
I mean, I, I, I just finished dinner and you're, you show up and you're like, and the rights are happening now.
I was like, wow, dude.
jack murphy
Yeah.
Well, that's, that's kind of what happened to me.
tim pool
So let's, let's do this.
So it's now the third night of the reignition of, of protests.
And it's, and it's, it's, we got, uh, what is it to Washington, DC, New York, and Philadelphia, East coast wave.
You live there.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
They surrounded you.
They attacked you.
Tell me what happened, brother.
jack murphy
So just like you were eating dinner tonight, you didn't know the riots were going on.
Same thing happened to me last night.
I'm just hanging out with my family.
We're having dinner.
I hear a helicopter overhead hanging really low.
I go on Twitter.
I check it out.
Turns out that a Black Lives Matter protest riot had tried to lay siege to the fourth district police department in Washington, DC.
And so I'm eating dinner.
I'm hearing the helicopters.
I'm with my kids.
I read Twitter real quick.
I'm like, oh my God, they're doing it again.
And this time walking distance from my neighborhood, walking distance from my house.
So I jump out.
I'm like, guys, I'm out.
I got to go.
Kids are kind of used to this by now.
Daddy's got to go to work.
So I jump out and I run up to Georgia Avenue, where the 4th District Police Department was.
And I get there and there's already hundreds of riot cops out.
I go up to the police station and they've already had bashed in numbers of windows on the first floor and the second floor.
Apparently, they attempted to sort of run in and take over the police, the police department there.
And things were kind of chilling out a little bit and I was walking around and sort of filming and I took a couple good pictures and I was done filming.
I was just standing there and these like four Antifa kids all in their black gear with their matching pink gas masks that they all ordered off the Antifa wish list that they have on Amazon.
And they were like a little team.
They come up to me and this guy's like, this is our space.
You have to leave.
What?
This is our space.
You have to leave.
And funny enough, I was actually just getting ready to go, but then when an Antifa guy comes up to me and tells me it's time to leave, what am I going to say?
So all of a sudden I'm staying.
I'm like, no, there's no way I'm going anywhere.
And so they tried to push me around for a little bit and bully me out of there.
Two, three, four, five of them come up and I'm not going anywhere.
And it kind of diffuses for a second and I'm just hanging out a little bit more.
And then they come up to me again and then there's like a group of four and then five and then six and then ten and then there's like 20 of them and now I'm surrounded by Antifa.
I'm surrounded by sort of Black Lives Matter type people just sort of random street thugs are there and they circle and they circle me and they're screaming at me.
They're saying, you know, white people don't belong in this city.
Get out of here.
You're a gentrifier and I tried to engage with them.
I tried to have a conversation.
I'm like, man, you got the wrong guy.
I spent 10 years helping African-American kids in this city turn around public charter schools, trying to sort of explain, you know, I'm like, Hey, I'm here.
And they're like, but what, whose side are you on?
Whose side are you on?
Whose side are you on, man?
And in my head, I'm thinking, okay, got to say nothing.
If I say I'm on their side, just to diffuse, it's going to like, start to rewire my own brain.
This is a little reason why they do struggle sessions.
So I'm like, forget it.
I don't say anything more and more people come up and I'm starting to get nervous at this point and there's probably 20 or so people I walk slowly towards the police line as they are pushing me and pushing me and there's probably 20 or 30 people at this point there's individual young black men just staring me in the eyes with these like very angry angry just just intense eyes are just waiting to pounce on me they're getting up in my face that I pull out my camera I start to record then the umbrellas come out Right?
So there's like umbrellas all around me, all in my face.
You can see it on my video.
If you go to Jack Murphy live on Twitter, you can see the periscope that I did last night.
And you can hear the vile things that they're saying to me.
White people get out of here.
You don't belong here.
All kinds of nasty stuff.
They're screaming at me to stop recording.
This is our space.
Get out of here.
And then like another four or five guys show up that look like they were ready to go.
Okay.
And that's when I started to think, oh man, I'm actually, I'm actually in a little bit of trouble here.
And right as the energy is peaking, right as it looked like I was probably about ready to get like literally jumped by 30 guys, I feel somebody grabbed me from behind.
They grabbed my belt and they just yanked me back like 20 feet.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait, hold on.
jack murphy
The cops.
tim pool
How tall are you?
jack murphy
I'm 6'4", 250.
tim pool
Exactly.
jack murphy
Okay.
So they came up behind me, SWAT team, you know, assault rifle, the whole thing.
Sorry guys, not an assault rifle.
It's a rifle that looks like...
So they grabbed me by the belt and they yanked me through and all of a sudden, boom, I'm back behind the police line.
I'm like, Oh God, I got my hands, my hands up.
I'm like, I'm complying.
I'm complying.
And they were like, you got any weapons on you?
No.
And then they walked me back and they're like, dude, we just saved you.
Like they said that they said that they're like, yeah, it was about you were about ready to get just jumped right then.
And they saved me after I was protesting their protest.
I'm like, I'm not going anywhere.
I'm holding my ground.
They kept saying, this is our city.
I'm like, dude, I have lived here for 30 years.
I live walking distance from here.
My kids go to school in the city and you're going to tell me it's not my town.
And that's what this whole thing is, right?
It's like, this is our space.
This is our space.
They don't live in our space.
They don't live there.
These little Antifa guys, I can see their eyes.
And it's so weird when everybody has masks on.
Cause you really can see their eyes and you can see the intensity in their eyes and you can see the anger and the seething rage.
And the funny thing that I noticed is that when you refuse to bow to their intimidation, it just makes them so mad.
tim pool
That's what they want.
What they're looking for is they want to know.
That you know, they've caused you pain.
jack murphy
Yep.
tim pool
And if you don't experience pain, or acknowledge it, because it's not just about being hurt.
It's about them knowing, you know, they hurt you.
They want it.
They want you to be like, that was me.
I did that.
jack murphy
Yep.
They wanted to bully me out of my own town out of my own city.
ian crossland
So what you said that it rewires your own brain to acknowledge that you're on there.
tim pool
That's so It's true.
jack murphy
It's true.
It's the whole point of the struggle sessions is to get you to say things that you don't believe in.
And then you start believing it.
ian crossland
What is a struggle session?
jack murphy
I've never heard of a struggle session.
I believe it comes from communist China where they went into the countryside and around and they just gathered up everybody who wasn't, you know, with the communist effort and they made them, you know, swear fealty and like do all these things.
I'm not an expert on it.
But I know that the intention there is to rewire your brain and break down your defenses by getting you to repeat things that A, you know are not true, and then B, that are in line with the authoritarian or totalitarian state that's trying to control you.
And when I refused to do it, dude, they flipped.
They thought that they were going to bully me.
Now, I had run into a guy that I knew from Twitter there.
And he is much smaller than me and we got separated and he did get assaulted.
He got head butted and punched and chased out and he ran.
He ran the other way.
Well, I drifted towards the police and I kind of knew the whole time the cops are there, right?
So like I'm surrounded by all these people and they're screaming at me and cussing at me and threatening me.
I'm like, the police are right there.
If they assault me, the cops will be on this and it'll be just fine.
And they just kept pushing and pushing and pushing.
But the cops surprised me when they grabbed me and just yanked me through.
And all of a sudden, I'm on the other side of the police line.
And that's when they all thought over there, like, oh, he's a cop.
unidentified
He's a cop.
jack murphy
He's a cop.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack murphy
He's like, I mean, I love my law enforcement officers and friends and family and all that.
But like, I grew up not being a big fan of police.
tim pool
When someone who is over six feet tall and, what, you said 250?
jack murphy
Yep.
tim pool
They automatically assume you must be a cop no matter what.
jack murphy
Right.
tim pool
That's the thing.
So there's also, I guess people are saying there's audio issues.
I don't know.
lydia smith
I'm trying to adjust, guys.
tim pool
Literally no idea how it just like instantly the other day just the audio just went dropped.
And we're like, I have no idea what it is.
I think, yeah, the cat like jiggled a cord or something.
There was a really funny moment where the camera started shaking like crazy and we were like, whoa, what's happening?
And she was like scratching herself and hitting the camera.
Anyway, so there have been a bunch of instances, there were viral videos of three guys who were wearing combat boots, or some kind of work boots, and then they got pointed out, this was a big protest that happened in Toronto, and they were like, those guys are cops, this is proof.
So, there's tons of instances where regular-looking guys who might wear... I mean, let me start for a second.
You know how in D.C.
everybody wears the same kind of North Face stuff?
It's like, anybody who knows D.C.
knows what I'm talking about.
You go to these... wherever you go, everyone's wearing North Face jackets and khakis and it's like the same outfit or the same style.
They'll see someone like that and think, they clearly aren't one of us.
You're a cop.
You're a cop.
You don't fit in.
And it's like a regular dude, like eating, you know, nachos at a Mexican restaurant and they start screaming, you're a cop.
Like you, you were at a restaurant.
Is that what you're doing?
jack murphy
No, I was at home.
This is how close it was to me is that I heard the blue, the copper, the cop chopper.
The cop-chopter?
unidentified
Cop-chopter.
jack murphy
Can we edit that out somehow?
lydia smith
No, I love it.
ian crossland
The cop-chopter.
lydia smith
We're keeping it.
jack murphy
The cop-chopter.
The police helicopter hovering basically over my house.
And when I saw that there was this happening right in my neighborhood, I just jumped up.
I literally left my dinner on the table and I had to go.
ian crossland
I gotta bring it back to the intro.
So why are they out there?
jack murphy
In Washington, D.C.
in particular, it was because of this one incident where a black kid was on a moped without a helmet.
The cops saw him, flipped on the lights, because it's illegal.
And instead of talking to the cops, he sped off on the moped.
So now he's like a fugitive running away from the cops.
So the cops chased him.
And as they're chasing him, he gets hit by another car.
unidentified
Whoa.
jack murphy
Third car.
And he ends up dying.
Right.
ian crossland
When?
tim pool
They blame the cops for that?
jack murphy
This is like two or three nights ago.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack murphy
They blame the cops for that.
And it's a tragedy.
It sucks when somebody gets killed, obviously.
But if the guy just would have stood there, he would have been fine.
It's not the police fault.
So instead they use this.
They don't.
It doesn't matter what the reason is.
They're always just looking for any reason, any reason to rile people up.
And so when I was there, I noticed it was just sort of like regular townsfolk, let's
And then the Black Lives Matter banner showed up.
And then the Antifa crew showed up.
And then you could just tell like that the medics were there.
And then all of a sudden you could tell that they had like rallied the troops to come all the way uptown.
This is not downtown.
This is not by the main protest zones, not by the White House.
This is not where any really of this has been going on, which is why I was so incensed.
I had actually decided to leave the street reporting up to fearless people like Shelby Talcott and Elijah Schaefer.
tim pool
DC Riot, Riot Squad.
jack murphy
Yeah.
They do a tremendous job, you know, and they're out there, but, you know, they have a little bit of a different demo than I do.
I've got three kids and a family and the whole thing.
And it's like, I have to stop putting myself in danger like that.
But this was in my neighborhood.
tim pool
Elijah Schafer got punched in the face.
jack murphy
Oh, he got bloodied up.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
We had Elijah on the show, what was a month ago?
lydia smith
A few weeks ago.
Yeah.
tim pool
A few weeks ago?
ian crossland
No, more than that.
unidentified
More than that.
tim pool
It was like a month ago.
ian crossland
Two at least.
tim pool
So he's another one of these dudes who goes out there and does his reporting.
I saw a video where he was like, his face was swollen and he was bleeding and he was still reporting.
I'm like, geez, dude, go to the hospital, get some stitches.
jack murphy
Yeah, he's hardcore.
He's hardcore.
I think he's having fun doing that.
I'd have never met him, but like the vibe I get when he posts the pictures and the tweets about him getting beat up or punched or whatever.
unidentified
I get the sense that it doesn't bother me much.
tim pool
There's this thing I heard about firefighters who wish for fires.
Wow.
It's true though because, so my dad was a firefighter and he explained to me that some people get this thing where they get depressed when they're not doing something.
Like their job is to help people and save lives.
And then they go weeks with like no fire or no real calls and they feel useless.
So they start wishing for fires.
Like inside, in their own minds.
Like, I want that fire, I want to run in.
And that's a scary thought, because they're like, they want the destruction, but because they're... It reminds me of, like, the dogs on 9-11.
Do you know about the dogs on 9-11?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
They would have to bury themselves, and then have the dogs find them, because the dogs were getting demoralized by not finding the bodies.
ian crossland
Oh, wow.
tim pool
So they would have to pretend to do it, to give the dog, like... Because it's a feeling everybody gets when they feel like they're not doing anything, not helping, not being useful.
jack murphy
Yeah, so I can relate to this story.
One of the reasons why I stopped going out on the street as much is because I found myself hoping that something terrible would happen.
And that's a bad feeling.
I didn't like it.
I don't want to hope that ever.
So I would go out and if nothing bad happened I would say publicly, oh this is great, thank God nothing bad happened.
But in my mind, I'm like, hey, I'm coming out here to work.
Like, where is it?
You know?
And I didn't like that feeling at all.
ian crossland
Journalism in general is a tough job because if bad stuff doesn't happen, what's the news?
Like, good news doesn't really fly.
tim pool
Dude, have you guys seen Bruce Almighty?
ian crossland
No.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
You've not seen it?
What, with the movie?
The movie, Bruce Almighty, where Jim Carrey is a local news reporter and they're like, go do the cookie story, the world's biggest cookie.
And he's like, come on, man.
And he really wants to be an anchor.
And so the movie is basically, he's complaining about life.
He blames God for everything.
So God, Morgan Freeman, Grants him the powers of God and says, you be God.
And then what does he do?
He starts making like meteors crash into the earth.
They find Jimmy Hoffa's grave or whatever.
He's making all this crazy sensational news that he's right there for.
He falsely frames his rival news team for having a bunch of pot in their car and they get arrested by the feds.
Like totally the Russians.
Super brutal, but like, I think that that's it.
I know it's a fictional movie, but it's a play on an idea we know.
They call him Mr. Exclusive because he was finding all of those big breaking news stories of shocking explosions and drug busts.
So yeah, if it bleeds, it leads.
Bad news doesn't sell.
ian crossland
The movie Nightcrawler was like that.
tim pool
Dude, that movie's so good.
ian crossland
Jake Gyllenhaal.
tim pool
Have you seen Nightcrawler?
jack murphy
I haven't.
I have some pop culture deficiencies, I'll admit.
tim pool
But Nightcrawler is a movie for anybody who agrees with Trump on fake news.
If you've seen Trump say the fake news and you're like, that's right, go watch Nightcrawler.
And I can't believe there's not more lefties who are like, that movie is awful!
Making journalists look like sociopaths!
unidentified
Because the dude in the movie, it's so good, dude.
tim pool
Long story short, I don't want to ruin the movie, it's about a sociopath who figures out he can make money selling if it bleeds it leads.
unidentified
So, take that, basically all of them.
tim pool
It's such a good movie, man.
Because it's not like it's a murder or anything.
Kind of.
You gotta see the movie.
I don't want to spoil it for people, but he's legit trying to, like, I don't want to ruin the movie.
ian crossland
Don't ruin it.
tim pool
But journalists who want to make the story happen, essentially, you know, they know.
jack murphy
Well, I mean, you have every incentive in the world to make that happen.
Fame, power, money, reputation, career, stability.
I mean, if that's how you make your money, then of course you're going to want to see that happen.
ian crossland
Fortunately, the cops and the firemen don't get paid for crime and fires necessarily.
Cops do have a quota.
Quotas are very weird.
Like you've got to fine the guys that break the law or you're going to get in trouble with your department.
So they're out there.
Making it happen.
tim pool
They claim there's no quotas, right?
They say over and over again, there's no quotas.
ian crossland
I think some departments have them and some don't.
jack murphy
I don't know.
But the stats have to be good.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
And in Chicago, everybody always knew, be careful driving at the end of the month.
ian crossland
Yep.
tim pool
That's what everyone would always say.
So it's kind of like, is it one of those myths or whatever?
But, you know, we are kind of getting off.
We were talking about Antifun.
I really want to focus on this because five days to an election.
lydia smith
Yes.
jack murphy
Can't believe it.
tim pool
I have to wonder if, like, this next part is a joke, okay?
Because I know people are going to freak out that a bunch of Trump supporters dressed up like Antifa, like, this is how you get Trump elected in PA.
I'm joking, okay?
The point is, though, Donald Trump is going rally, rally, rally in Pennsylvania.
Vote for me!
And he's going, suburban women!
Love me!
You have to love me!
I've done so much for you!
It's actually funny.
They criticize him for it, but he's half-joking.
He really does need their vote, but he's just hamming it up.
There's only so much rallies can do.
You've got western Pennsylvania.
Fracking country.
Joe Biden sealed the deal on that when he was like, yeah, he's like, we're going to transition out of oil.
Yes.
Yes.
And then the moderator's like, why would you do that?
Like almost like she was facepalming that he said it, not that he would actually want to do it.
jack murphy
Why would you say that?
tim pool
Exactly.
That's what it sounded like to me.
But how do you get Eastern Pennsylvania?
Riots erupt in Philadelphia three nights in a row.
People are looting, you know, Five Below, Walmart.
Like, you see the video where the cars are just, like, crashing into each other and, like, TVs are flying through the air?
It's like, so they're in the parking lot of the Walmart and people are just running away with stuff and then, like, someone's got, like, a TV in the middle of the road, a car hits it, it just flips over the car and they're, like, crashing into each other.
It was nuts!
jack murphy
Yeah, and even a guy, like, loaded up his truck full of looted material and then he got robbed.
unidentified
They're looting the looters!
jack murphy
And apparently they were shooting each other too and fighting and fighting over it.
Yeah.
I think Shelby and Elijah were there with shots fired.
And so, you know, it's just criminals doing criminal stuff.
ian crossland
Yo, in D.C., is it federal?
So it's federal, right?
Are they sending out the feds to take care of that?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Dude, if you get arre- so, uh, activist organizations warn protesters.
You get arrested protesting in D.C., those are federal charges.
They're very, very hard to beat, and the penalties are severe.
jack murphy
What is the name of that legal fund that's always bailing out those Antifa guys?
They were down on the scene last night too, and I think that's what happened.
They saw me streaming the Antifa guys, because I was streaming the cops and stuff, but then I saw the Legal Aid National Lawyers Guild.
National Lawyers Guild.
tim pool
Progressive organization.
jack murphy
They were on the ground there, and that's part of the support ecosystem that enables people to go to jail and have lawyers and bail, and that way they can get arrested with impunity.
tim pool
You know, I'll tell you what, man.
During Occupy, things were different, and there's a weird authoritarian switch that occurred.
I remember I was on, you know, I can't remember what street it was, maybe like 12th or something.
It was in New York, it was like the Lower East Side, and there was a National Lawyers Guild lawyer who had just witnessed an arrest.
We were standing on the sidewalk, and he starts- I'm standing here on the corner, and he starts walking through the crosswalk, not jaywalking.
And he's on his phone, and he's looking at cops as they're making an arrest, and he starts reporting to his colleagues, and a bunch of cops run up and grab him and throw him against a car.
His phone goes flying, and I'm filming.
I'm like, whoa, what the- And then he's like, what are you doing?
I'm a lawyer!
I'm a lawyer!
And they were like, shut up.
They cuff him, they arrest him.
And then I actually had a phone call like, what happened?
Why did they arrest him?
Like he literally wasn't doing anything, man.
It was a lawyer on the...
So I see things like that.
I've seen things where the National Lawyers Guild has done good in stopping things like
this.
But something changed.
And I remember when I was in Boston, it was 2018.
And there was Antifa and there were right-wing protesters.
The Antifa guys had clubs.
They were wearing black masks, full blackout gear, with clubs and bats.
And there was the National Lawyers Guild standing at their side.
And then across from them was a bunch of guys with Pepe signs and shields.
And I asked the National Lawyers Guild, I was like, hey, how come you guys are only on one side?
And they're like, what do you mean?
And I'm like, why aren't you guys observing for those guys?
And they were like, I don't understand.
And I was like, okay.
And then I tweeted about it.
And then a bunch of lefties, they were like, Tim Pool's defending the fascists.
And I'm like, the National Lawyers Guild said their mission was to observe the police, not counter protests.
jack murphy
Right.
tim pool
I thought they were there to make sure that people were peacefully, legally allowed to protest, and that includes the left and the right.
No, it wasn't.
It was about supporting progressive causes.
And now that the conflict isn't about police versus protester, it's like, left and right tribe or whatever, National Lawyers Guild is overtly tribalist and will not help you in defending your rights.
They won't, like, was anyone there when you were getting attacked?
Any of the NLG guys?
jack murphy
No, nobody.
Luckily the police were there.
tim pool
Because I'd imagine they're going to be like, oh, we're not going to film this, we don't want to observe this, because then we've got to testify against them.
jack murphy
Right.
There were a number of people filming and taking pictures.
I haven't seen any of them surface just yet.
And I would like to see them.
I was standing there surrounded by like 30 people.
That would probably be a good pick.
I'd like to see it.
So if you were that guy last night, send it out.
Hit me up on Twitter, JackMurphyLive, or on my YouTube channel, JackMurphyLive.
Thank you very much.
I'll see you guys there as well.
unidentified
Excellent.
tim pool
So you think the riots are going to... So as I was saying about Pennsylvania, I don't know exactly if you can turn a city red.
You know, I don't know what would make something like that happen.
But I imagine, I don't know if you remember that video where the Christopher Columbus statue was getting attacked, and so all of these like middle-aged and younger dudes, like union guys, came out and surrounded it, and got physical, like shoving antifa, some guys had bats, some guys had guns, and they were like, get out of here!
Then the city came and took the statue away anyway.
I can only imagine.
These are probably union democrat guys in Philadelphia.
80% democrat city.
Now they're taking your statue down.
You tried to defend.
Now they're rioting.
And it's not just in downtown.
I think they call it center city.
It's spread around all over the place.
And the videos are nuts.
I got to imagine there's a certain part of these regular working class union guys who are democrats who are probably going, I've had enough of this man.
And I wonder if it's going to be a big push for Trump.
jack murphy
I mean, they did make a big part of the nine million Democrats as deplorable voters in 2016.
I'm hoping that that trend is going to continue.
It's very clear to see that the Republican Party is becoming sort of the party of men and the Democratic Party is becoming the party of women and minorities.
tim pool
I gotta stop you there, though.
There's something really interesting I saw.
I was looking at early voting data in, I think it was Michigan.
Most of the votes that have come in so far early in absentee lean GOP.
The plurality is GOP voters and women.
jack murphy
Nice.
tim pool
That was weird to me.
I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait.
The majority of returned ballots and early voting came from women.
And the majority, and it was a plurality, it was women, not a majority.
And then the plurality was Republicans, meaning there's an uptick in Republican women who are voting.
jack murphy
Awesome.
tim pool
And they're helping get that push.
jack murphy
So that's... I've always said that it's the party of masculine men and the women who love them.
Yeah, that's true.
That's that caveat, right?
tim pool
Dude, how weird is it that that's true?
So millennial women are like 70% Democrat.
That's Pew Research.
68% of millennial women are Democrats.
And then among men, it's slightly conservative, but pretty even.
jack murphy
Yeah, well, that's by design.
So in the late 60s, the Democrats decided to to jettison the white working male from their efforts in terms of recruiting people.
And they specifically set out a strategy to court the disaffected.
They used words that we wouldn't use today about homosexual people and about minority folks and about just all the other factions.
tim pool
Who is the dude who ran against Nixon in his reelection?
jack murphy
McGovern?
tim pool
McGovern.
And he got obliterated.
He was that guy who wanted to do the coalition of progressives of like white college-educated elites and minorities, and he got annihilated in a 49-state landslide.
Is that going to happen?
jack murphy
That would be amazing, but I doubt it.
I don't really know what's going to happen.
In fact, I got to admit, it's getting a little jittery.
I mean, either way, everything will be, you know.
ian crossland
You said Nixon and McGovern, is that right?
He also did a 49 and started Reagan.
tim pool
And I think Reagan was for similar reasons, too.
They tried doing a big progressive push and regular people recoiled.
ian crossland
That's what Biden's doing.
It's so cringy.
tim pool
Well, here's the crazy thing.
ian crossland
Mondale.
tim pool
We're looking at early voting data, right?
And it's like, right now, nationally, I think it's like four points up Democrat.
What if those Democrat vote Republican?
You know what I mean?
It's probably wishful thinking to be like, oh, the polls are wrong and the Democrats are actually voting for Republicans.
Yeah, no, no, no.
Democrats are probably up.
We expected this.
And Republicans, surprisingly, are doing really well in Ohio and Wisconsin and Michigan.
They're leading in those three states.
So I think we're actually, there's a scenario where, could you imagine if we do 269 to 269, Biden and the Electoral College?
lydia smith
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
It would go to House Delegations, Trump would win.
It's not going to be this hardcore deadlock, but that would be so on point for 2020, you know what I mean?
jack murphy
Well, I mean, either way, unless it's a clear landslide in either direction, it's going to feel like 269 to 269 the way it's going to be drawn out.
I think we all need to prepare for that, like save your adrenal system, save your dopamine surges, save your stressing out.
I really don't think that there's going to be like a decisive factor on the third, although I would greatly welcome it in our favor.
tim pool
Seriously?
We're gonna have this big election night party, so... What, what?
Yeah, we still got, and what we're gonna do is we're just gonna stream the whole night, and people are gonna come in and out, whoever wants to hop on the stream and be like, yo, what's going on?
And I'll probably be downstairs hanging out with people, I'll come up periodically and a bunch of people do that.
But I'm wondering, like, at what point do we turn the stream off?
Because it's gonna be like 4 a.m.
and they're gonna be like, we have no idea what happened.
lydia smith
2 a.m.
tim pool
2 a.m.
lydia smith
is when they end everything?
tim pool
No, but there's not gonna be results because I think Pennsylvania is not doing their results until the 10th or whatever.
lydia smith
Yeah and I found out so I have someone who voted in Colorado and so they got their ballot back and they're like something's wrong with your signature.
All right cool I'm glad you're checking out my signature.
You can vote again on the 12th like you can just go in until the 12th remember?
tim pool
You can go in on the 12th?
lydia smith
So you can go on the 12th and they'll set your signature correct as late as the 12th of November and I was like there's no way this is gonna be done by November.
tim pool
Well unless unless like They can map out, so a lot of people are saying, and I literally just said it, Pennsylvania is not going to know their results until the 10th or whatever because of late ballots, but they can actually look at registered voters and likely voters, they can model out and be like, there's literally no way
Any amount of votes will change the results of this county.
They always do that.
jack murphy
Yeah, that's what happens every time.
tim pool
Exactly, we see the like, you know, 89, there are some places where it's like 37 precincts reporting landslide because it's a guarantee there's no amount of votes they could get with the remaining precincts to win.
So we might actually just see that.
We might, on election night, might be, you know, landslide Joe Biden.
jack murphy
I would welcome a landslide just to get it over with.
tim pool
I don't want to sit around for two weeks.
Not for Biden.
So I said Biden instead.
ian crossland
That'd be cool.
I would welcome a landslide.
lydia smith
I would too.
ian crossland
Just to get it over with.
I don't want to sit around for two weeks.
Not for Biden, obviously.
Dude, did you...
I just want it to end on the third so we can move on.
tim pool
Yeah, it's not gonna end, man.
Like, so, the media has become addicted to culture war.
Everyone has.
And when you have billion-dollar corporations that are like, what do we do when the orange man is gone?
It'll be Kanye.
going to start looking for for villains to write about.
ian crossland
It'll be Kanye.
tim pool
Maybe, yeah.
And Joe Rogan, for sure.
And comedians.
And what did Robert Wright say?
Truth and Reconciliation Commissions?
ian crossland
Dude, we gotta have him on the show or something.
tim pool
I mean, well, I'll tell you what, sure.
Like I'm willing to have anybody on.
Well, not anybody.
Someone asked me on Twitter, like, are there limits?
And I was like, yeah, like physical safety and people have to be relevant to the conversation.
So he is.
Sure, I'd have him on.
But he's like, truth or reconciliation?
ian crossland
I know, it's so weird.
tim pool
Yeah, you know what they're gonna do is they're gonna no-platform, de-platform, and cancel people.
So we all end up with no technology, no bank accounts.
Like, oh, you know, nobody wants to work with you because you're one of those.
jack murphy
I heard a very scary bit of speculation that the reason that they selected Kamala Harris was so that she could be the chief.
unidentified
Kamala.
jack murphy
Sorry, what else?
lydia smith
Kay Harris.
jack murphy
So that she could be the prosecutor in chief of the Truth and Reconciliation effort.
unidentified
Oh, gosh.
jack murphy
Which actually makes pretty good sense.
I mean, there's one thing she can do, right?
tim pool
So they're gonna, like, rendition people?
ian crossland
It's like, you know... That makes me angry.
That makes me want to riot.
Not much stuff makes me want to riot.
tim pool
You guys have all seen V for Vendetta?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
You know the scene where Creedy comes in and knocks out Stephen Fry and then he, like, drags him away?
Like, it would be fun to make, like, a gif where it's, you know, Kamala Harris as Creedy and then, like, Stephen Fry as Alex Jones.
ian crossland
It gets blackbagged and, like, Oh, by the way, he was on Rogan.
Did you guys see Tim Dillon?
tim pool
I saw that he did it, and the left is going after him like hardcore.
ian crossland
Oh, I haven't seen it.
I only watched a few minutes.
tim pool
These people don't know why they're mad at Alex Jones.
They really have no idea.
ian crossland
He's funny.
He's a comedian.
tim pool
Sandy Hook!
Check this out, though.
I thought of something.
I was thinking of something really interesting.
I did a segment on this.
There was recently Jacobin magazine, which I'm sure you guys, it's a socialist magazine.
First, I want to say my respects to Jacobin.
They've done repeated articles defending free speech, arguing that if they give in to restrictions on fascist speech, the government will go after them next.
And I'm like, yes, yes, exactly.
And so they called it the Anti-Fascist Hate Speech Boomerang, was an article they wrote, where they basically said, we cannot give in to these demands to censor speech, because they're going to come for us.
So I respect that.
They did a show.
It got censored on Facebook.
And one of the hosts of that show was on The Young Turks.
So while I'll give my respects to Jacobin for defending free speech, because they understand how important it is for a movement like theirs especially, the host they had from The Young Turks was in favor of censoring Alex Jones.
And so I thought about something.
I was like, How many decades of content does Alex Jones have?
Like three?
Three decades.
And that means he's probably got, out of those decades of work he's done, how many hours of content?
ian crossland
60,000?
tim pool
Maybe 10,000.
ian crossland
10,000 was my first guess.
tim pool
It's probably a really ridiculously huge number, right?
How many videos did he have on YouTube?
How many subscribers?
Because he said one thing, He's gone forever and every bit of speech he ever said, think about how insane that is.
That you could talk for 30 years and then say, and also this, oh there it is, get him!
And they delete literally everything you've ever said.
Not just the things you're saying now, everything you've ever said.
That's crazy.
And you know what's really crazy about it?
The stuff that Jones was saying, as reprehensible as it was, for sure, was like, what, seven years before they went after him?
It was from a long time ago.
ian crossland
The Sandy Hook thing?
tim pool
Yeah, it was from a long time ago.
jack murphy
Well, you remember the incident involved Oliver Darcy.
tim pool
Oh, of course, yeah.
jack murphy
Right, it was about Alex Jones confronting him in the halls of the Capitol building.
And basically being a dickhead and and like cornering him and intimidating him.
And believe me, Oliver Darcy, if you're watching, there's no love lost here.
unidentified
Right.
jack murphy
I met Oliver years ago back at Business Insider when he was there and he was trying.
tim pool
He was writing favorable articles.
jack murphy
He was trying to be all chummy with us MAGA crew in D.C.
and showing up at all the events, him and Rosie Gray and Andrew Marantz.
And they all just turned.
tim pool
You know that Oliver Darcy interviewed me when the alt-right got banned, and I said, slippery slope, we can't just ban people for bad opinions, and he wrote an article about it.
And it was like, you know, renowned journalist or whatever warns of the coming censorship.
He was a business insider.
Then he got hired by CNN, and, you know, rosy-cheeked Oliver Darcy walked in with a smile on his face, like, looking up at the big building and all the floors, and he was like, I finally made it!
And that's when Jeff Zucker jumped out of the shadows and latched onto his back and sunk his teeth into his neck, and Oliver went, AHHHHH!
Turn into a fake new zombie.
jack murphy
That's exactly right.
They turn him in they turned him into the schoolyard snitch Yeah, like he's got to be like the most hated of all of those people from that time and he's really sort of sold himself on that But anyway, that was for Alex Jones.
tim pool
He got banned off of Twitter for what he did outside of Twitter That's so crazy, but it was years before and it's like what if the main issue I see is If you say one wrong thing years ago, and we decide now that was wrong, we eliminate everything you've ever said from the record.
ian crossland
Now, I'm working with mines and banning accounts and being in charge of that kind of thing.
I was of the ilk that if an account violated the terms, I don't care who the human is using that account, that count is nuked.
I'm not going after the person.
If the person makes a new account, it's fine.
They violated terms with that account, that account is gone.
It's not the person.
And that's where cancel culture comes from.
tim pool
The problem I'm seeing, you know, as I think about what happened with Alex Jones, and so anyway, the gist of it was that, you know, one of the Young Turks people on the show was like, I'm glad Alex Jones can't harass people.
And I'm like, so you're okay with him having literally every bit of his work removed and annihilated because he did this one wrong thing?
And I guess he did it a couple times.
I'm not, you know, I think what he did was wrong, for sure.
Reprehensible.
And you tell him, hey, that thing you did?
Don't do it again.
Okay?
Okay.
No, they didn't.
I think he remained on Facebook for a while, and then they were just waiting to press the nuke button, give him any excuse, and then they went for it.
So it really was not about just that one thing he said.
It was a political move.
They didn't like this guy, he had too much influence, and he says crazy stuff.
So they were like, he's a problem, so get rid of him and find any excuse to do it.
jack murphy
The funny thing about it, I watched like maybe the first half hour of the Joe Rogan show with him, and Alex starts to say something that seems all crazy and Joe's like, no, no, no, no, no.
Hold on.
What you need is a fact checker.
Let's fact check this one.
Come on, we're going to fact check this one.
lydia smith
He needs Lydia.
jack murphy
Jamie, Jamie, bring it up.
That's right.
Bring it up.
tim pool
And Jones was right.
jack murphy
And they brought it up and he's reading it and he's like, oh snap.
lydia smith
Holy crap, you're right.
tim pool
Do you know what he was saying though?
jack murphy
Yeah, he said that corporations were making payments to sub-level, lower-level staff members in the Trump organization because Trump is uncorruptible.
He's not beholden to lobbyists.
He's not beholden to corporations.
And so that he's saying that corporations were going towards people in his orbit and below him in order to get influence.
And the example he's like, he's like, yeah, AT&T paid people, you know, millions of dollars just to get access.
And they're like, well, hold on a second.
And they checked and they pulled up USA Today, I think is what it was.
ian crossland
And this is snap.
tim pool
This is a thing.
It's low information individuals with power who don't know what they're talking about and getting mad about it.
The other day when we had Vaush on, he mentioned that I got into like conspiracy realm stuff.
And he mentioned, you said if Joe Biden gets elected, they're going to come to your house, they're going to change definitions.
And I was like, they've done both of those things already.
Like, I didn't say, here's my prediction of the future.
I said, here's what they've already done.
If Joe Biden gets elected, it locks that in.
It exacerbates the problem.
ian crossland
But his argument was, because it happened, doesn't mean that something's going to trigger it to happen again.
tim pool
He didn't say that.
ian crossland
Yeah, that's what he was saying.
If a toilet exploded in someone's house, and you say, hey, if that guy gets elected, there's going to be exploding toilets.
tim pool
He said that after I said those things already happened.
And then he went, oh, well, just because.
His initial argument was, He didn't know people have already gone to several houses.
And then he was like, which people?
And then I was like, the McCloskeys for one.
He's like, oh, OK.
ian crossland
So clearly... I want to go more into that, too.
How many more people?
tim pool
I really do think one of the biggest issues between left and right is the sources we consume.
But it is a fact that the right knows what the left is thinking.
The left does not know what the right is thinking.
The best example of this is when the hashtag proud boys went viral and it was a bunch of like gay men kissing and they were like, take that proud boys.
And then Enrique like, uh, posted Milo and Gavin making out like, what are you talking about?
jack murphy
Like, what do you think this is?
Somebody once took the graphics for liminal order and they like put, made it in rainbow flag and they were, and they tried to make it out like this was like being, being mean to me.
Oh, they made it look like it was the gay flag.
tim pool
They don't know who you are.
You've repeatedly said that the Republican Party accepting gay marriage was what allowed you to be like, OK, I can go in this direction.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
Like socially accepting.
jack murphy
Absolutely.
And just piggybacking off your idea there that the left does not know what the right is thinking, but the right does know what the left is thinking.
I have made a terrible mistake.
I have reengaged with my old friends on Facebook in this election season, and it was a big mistake.
It's a big mistake.
There's no question.
And I just had it totally reconfirmed to me when I'm trying to explain to them their thought process, because I know it.
I've studied critical race theory.
I've studied radical feminism.
I've studied intersectionality.
I know how it works.
I know there are Kafka traps.
I know their intellectual framework, if you can call it that.
And I'm explaining it to them and they don't even know.
They're just all foot soldiers that have been sort of co-opted by Black Lives Matter, Antifa, etc.
And they think they're doing a good thing.
They're like, yeah, Black Lives Matter, of course, Black Lives, Black Lives, of course.
But they don't understand what the system is that they're in.
And it's just I try to engage with them.
It's just it's not possible.
And I just have this hope, I have this naive notion that in like five years, when maybe everything just completely falls apart and everybody suffers the traumatic experience they need in order to rethink their worldview, that one of them, at least, is just gonna be like, oh, you know, that Jack...
He was right.
ian crossland
Yeah, they will.
tim pool
No, I don't know about that.
ian crossland
They come out.
jack murphy
They're never gonna do it.
Never, never, never.
tim pool
The interesting thing we were talking about earlier when you mentioned rewiring in your brain is that people do trainings where they tell you to tell yourself things to do that.
And so you think about these people who are watching TV and they say Black Lives Matter everywhere.
It becomes, they have no idea what it is, but they just adhere to it.
And when you challenge it, you threaten their worldview.
So I think a lot of the reason we see Antifa getting crazy and foaming at the mouth and like, well, Black Lives Matter, because they are righteous and just.
They don't know why, but they've said it over and over and over again, and it's in their being.
And so when you are opposition, when you are the other, you are the evil villain destroying the world.
And they have no idea why.
You ask them, they couldn't tell you.
I've tried.
ian crossland
I feel like there's three strata of the way that people interact or interface with that movement.
One is like the ideological one where it's like, why is Black Lives Matter?
Why does it exist?
And this is kind of what Vash was kind of hinting at that last night.
It's a class issue thing that's caused this thing to erupt.
Then there's the people that are in it and using it as a business and profiting from it in a lot of ways.
And then there's the foot soldiers who are like, yeah, black lives are great, so I follow it.
They don't know anything about it.
tim pool
And that's most people.
Like, I have friends and family that are posting things like, it is not enough to be not racist, you must be actively anti-racist.
And I was like, what does that mean?
And they can't give me an answer.
I once did this really thoughtful post about the problems of leftist identitarianism and critical race theory, and tried explaining to them using their own words and language, and they just said, you know, F off, basically.
Like, I'm sorry, we're in the tribe, the tribe is good, you say bad, you bad.
jack murphy
I have pity.
I have pity for them because they do believe that they're possessed in like a spiritual demon way.
Maybe.
But they're possessed by an idea.
I think it was Jordan Peterson that said that people don't have ideas.
Ideas have people.
lydia smith
Yes.
jack murphy
And these people, these ideas got these people.
Right.
And and it's really just it makes me sad when I can see people that I know are otherwise decent, good humans that are just acting in a way that I know if they really understood that they would change their mind because they are good, decent people.
And this is sort of the mission.
And I see a path to redemption for them, but they don't see a path to redemption for me.
And just to finish up on the suffering sessions or struggle sessions, copter chapters, you know, think about it in reverse.
You visualize success.
You tell yourself success.
You say it over and over again.
I'm going to do this.
I'm going to be great at that.
I am this.
I am this thing I want to become.
Because you can rewire your brain using your self-talk and the things you say.
So you can do it in the other direction.
They say, raise the fist.
That's the thing that stood out to me is the guy's intensity.
Nose up in here, coughing their corona all over me.
Whose side are you on?
unidentified
Say it!
Say it!
jack murphy
And when I wouldn't, it's just like, oh, they just explode inside their heads.
It's awful for them.
tim pool
Think about this.
You got a nice beanie there, good sir.
There's a symbol on that beanie.
What is that symbol?
jack murphy
That symbol is the logo for the Liminal Order, my all-men's organization, national, 300 members.
tim pool
You've got a national organization.
And I take a lot of people often want to join and you get like, you know, you put the word out and then people hit you up.
jack murphy
Three thousand people on the waiting list.
tim pool
Imagine if you had mainstream dominant culture promoting the ideology for you and you needed only walk up and say, you think Black Lives Matter, right?
OK, well, join my organization.
jack murphy
Slick.
tim pool
Yeah.
So imagine.
You, all of us as critical thinkers, and the people watching, who would challenge what we're told, and be like, let me check on that first.
And that's a big thing about the internet, is a lot of people who consume news are actively looking for it, as opposed to mainstream media, which is they're sitting there absorbing it.
So you're more likely to find people who know more about specific things, they're seeking it out.
Now, imagine you've got half the people who are just absorbing information, have no idea, never challenged.
It's true.
It was on the TV.
If you want to use them for your advantage and your power, well, if you go up to them and say, Black Lives Matter is, you know, out of control, identitarianism, and while I can understand the core complaints and I can agree police brutality is bad and we respect these lives, the movement has its problems.
Now, join me.
They're going to be like, screw you.
What are you, racist?
If you go up to them and say, You want to join a Black Lives Matter group, right?
You're not racist, are you?
Yeah, you're right, you're right, yes.
Because dominant culture told them to.
jack murphy
You're not racist, are you?
tim pool
Yep.
jack murphy
You're not racist, are you?
tim pool
The issue is, you've got this person, right?
And they see you walk up to them and you say, give me your money and your time and your energy.
And they say, why should I do that?
And then you say, look around you.
You're not a racist, are you?
And they see signs everywhere, Black Lives Matter, Black Lives Matter.
And they're like, I don't want to be another, I don't want to be another here.
Whatever you want from me, please, just don't ostracize me.
So, I think a big component of a lot of whatever, like, this moderate space, intellectual space, whatever you want to call it, or a bunch of just, I don't know, rebellious morons, if that's apt, I think it's just an issue of people who are self-sufficient to a certain degree, not too concerned about being ostracized.
I would rather live on my feet than die on my knees, versus people who would rather live on their knees than die.
jack murphy
Yeah.
I'm comfortable being the other.
That's how it's always been my life.
I've always been contrarian, counterculture.
That's just where I feel more comfortable.
But on this issue of passive versus intentional learning or understanding, we in the liminal order have come up with a name.
We didn't determine this name, but we've determined that it's an essential tool in this world.
It's called sensemaking.
And sensemaking is intentional understanding.
And part of intentional understanding is a desire to want to actually make sense of the world.
And B, it's also an internal process where you have to understand your emotional triggers, understand what states you are in that lead to emotional triggers and irrational behavior.
And it's a process by which you learn how to control your emotions, your emotional triggers, your physical integrity, in order to increase your ability to discern between right and wrong, good and bad, so that you can be an intentional understander and do this art of sense-making.
So if you want to be an independent, sovereign person in an information war space, which is where we are, and the information battlefield is deliberately polluted at all times, If you want to maintain your sense of personal sovereignty, you have to develop this skill of sensemaking.
And that's one of the things we do in the Liminal Order because we think it's vital.
It's like a life skill at this point.
tim pool
Well, we get, on the other side, willful ignorance, which is kind of like the other end of the spectrum of that.
People who just choose to be swimming in bliss.
Ignorance is bliss, man.
jack murphy
I mean, there is some truth to that.
tim pool
Dude, it must feel good to be morally righteous and wield righteous indignation, watching down a street with a bunch of people telling you and patting you on the back how right you are and how smart you are, knowing that all the corporations support you and the government supports you and you are on the right side of history, and that throwing that brick, ooh, just crunching it to that face, that face of the other, the evil.
They love it.
It feels good to them.
They're attacking symbols to make themselves feel good and they get pat on the back for it.
So it's funny because they often talk about right-wing love bombs.
Have you guys heard about what right-wing love bombs are?
jack murphy
I have not.
tim pool
The idea is that someone will go on social media, and this is what the left calls it, which says a lot about the left, and you'll get a person and they'll say something like, I think Donald Trump is just not that bad.
And immediately all the Trumpsters are like, you're so cool, you're so smart, that's so rational, so reasonable.
It feels good.
You're getting all this love and attention.
And so then you go, oh, I think he's actually cool.
And then they're like, oh, that's even better.
You're so much smarter than we thought.
And then you're like, he's actually the best.
And they're like, oh, you are so amazing.
lydia smith
You're the best.
tim pool
The left is the opposite.
They hate bomb.
Like, that's their strategy.
Hate bombing.
You go on and you say, I think Donald Trump isn't that bad.
Why are you a bigot?
What's wrong with you, racist?
You better get on your knees.
Some people are coerced by that.
Some people are recruited by that, saying, I don't like the way this feels.
They're being mean to me.
No, no, no, no.
I agree with you.
You're right.
Please don't be mean anymore.
And now they're angry.
They're forced into this.
They don't understand.
They're just mad.
And it reminds me kind of like hazing, right?
So why do people at colleges or high schools haze freshmen newcomers?
They went through it.
Now it's my turn, right?
jack murphy
That's to build a shared experience and a common language.
tim pool
I mean, some of this hazing, dude.
ian crossland
Oh, sure.
jack murphy
Like hurting people, making them drink themselves to death or have sex with animals or whatever.
unidentified
That stuff's whack.
tim pool
I mean like the stuff you hear about making somebody you know strip down to their boxers and jump in a potato sack is one thing but I'm talking about like there was one thing that happened in Illinois where they all like took a dump all these women took a dump in a dumpster and then made like the women like put it over their heads or something just really Weird.
ian crossland
Humiliation.
tim pool
Like serious.
ian crossland
Established power hierarchy.
tim pool
But what was happening was that every time someone got hazed in an extreme way, it traumatized and made them angry.
So then they wanted to repeat it and feel that power.
ian crossland
It's like beating kids.
I mean, that's a lot about child abuse and the cycle of abuse.
That's kind of what we're in right now.
It feels like a political cycle of abuse.
tim pool
These Antifa people, in my opinion, feel like they've been abused, and now they want to feel good being the abuser, and they don't care who they take it out on.
Small business owners, random people, you know, living in the neighborhood.
ian crossland
Buildings.
tim pool
You look at what happened, journalists, reporters, whatever they can justify.
And on the other side, this is a funny thing, you know, we had Vosh there the other day.
He did make a good point, but the point wasn't, I think, what he thought it was.
He said that the left doesn't have the kind of fervent militia or like far-right support of their leaders.
that the right does. So like on the right, there are right-wing militia groups, there are groups
like the Proud Boys that are overtly like yelling Trump and cheering and jumping up and down. Antifa
does not like Joe Biden. They want Joe Biden because Joe Biden will capitulate to them in
some capacity, but they despise him. So that's a good point.
As they should. But that also means that if Trump came out and was like, stop, then they'd be
like, okay.
Whereas Antifa goes, shut your mouth, Biden.
And they go around smashing and destroying things again.
So the left does have its violent apparatus, rage and anger.
And it's the ideology that's fueling a lot of the anger is supported by all the mainstream corporations and all these institutions and colleges.
And I mean, just to put it bluntly, I think all that just gets worse under Biden.
Or at the very least, it's empowered their ideology.
jack murphy
Well, it's not only supported by the institutions and corporations and academia and whatever, but by the municipalities themselves.
When you've got the mayors of Washington, D.C.
and New York City putting, you know, painting Black Lives Matter on the street, changing street names to Black Lives Matter Plaza like they did in Washington, D.C.
That's 1984, dude.
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
They named that street.
It's 16th and H in Washington, D.C., right across from Lafayette Square in the White House.
They named it Black Lives Matter Plaza because just a few nights ago there was a riot there and they destroyed the buildings and set the churches on fire, hit the cops with bricks, chased people around and were violent, and they celebrated it by naming the street after them.
tim pool
You see what happened to that NYPD officer who yelled Trump 2020?
jack murphy
I think so.
tim pool
Suspended. Suspended no pay. Meanwhile, the officers who took a knee were cheered and praised.
Morality policing. When your police departments literally show the symbol of the ideology,
and then you oppress the officers who say anything in the other direction or in any other, you know.
ian crossland
There's something to dictators and the power of like benevolent, like Athens was founded by a
benevolent dictator. And it's not, the word has taken a new connotation where we think of modern
dictators is like strong men that control through military force.
But the idea of being dictating speaking orators there like a good Obama was a dictator.
He spoke a lot.
He was very eloquent.
Trump is a dictator.
He gives two-hour speeches.
Biden's a very failed... he's not able to dictate.
And dictators rally crowds.
You can call it now an orator.
The word's kind of morphed into now orator.
And having a great one will become... that can empower and become a leader.
And a good one, if you are benevolent, can tell people, like, stand down.
Be kind.
tim pool
Trump knows how to speak to his base.
jack murphy
No, Trump knows how to speak to anybody if he so chooses.
He's a code switcher.
He's an incredible communicator.
You catch him in these off moments where he's being very sociable and fun.
Remember, everybody loved Donald Trump in 2014.
unidentified
Yep.
ian crossland
What did Obama say about him?
Was that the birth certificate era?
jack murphy
Oh, forget about that.
I'm just saying, leading up to that.
tim pool
Kirk, if I'm wrong, didn't Obama say the American dream is to be Donald Trump?
jack murphy
No, probably.
tim pool
Can you Google that?
jack murphy
Can we get a fact check on that?
tim pool
That might just be a fake meme that, you know, people push around because it sounds good for Trump.
But, I mean, people did want to be Trump.
ian crossland
I thought he was a clown when he was going on about Obama's birth certificate.
tim pool
Oh, I mean, that was so ridiculous, for sure.
jack murphy
But everybody watched The Apprentice.
tim pool
I remember when the birth certificate thing was coming out, people were like,
if you load the birth certificate into Photoshop, it creates layers.
And I'm like, it doesn't mean anything.
But then you have people analyzing the video on YouTube and like, it's fake.
And I'm like, do you really think if Barack Obama was going to fake it,
he would forget to export properly?
It's just come on, dude.
jack murphy
I'm just I mean, if you put like pictures of you smoking crack and doing other terrible things on a laptop, would you just like leave it at a repair shop somewhere?
tim pool
It's worse.
Guys, it's worse.
It's worse.
It's worse.
lydia smith
Ready for this?
tim pool
It's so bad.
lydia smith
This is so exciting.
tim pool
From SF Gate.
In law school, Obama co-wrote a paper referring to Trump as the American dream.
lydia smith
Booyah!
ian crossland
That's funny.
tim pool
That's amazing.
I had not heard that.
I can't believe I hadn't heard that until now.
I kind of disagree though because he was born into money.
jack murphy
That's amazing. I had not heard that. I can't believe I hadn't heard that when Barack Obama was in Harvard Law
tim pool
School He once alluded to businessman Donald Trump as representing
the American dream. Boom. That's from SF gate done certified
ian crossland
New York, I disagree though because he was born into money.
Isn't the dream coming from nothing and building like an empire? Oh
tim pool
Well, there's a lot there's a lot of things you can talk about. How about his his it was his grandfather started the
business, right?
Yeah, and so isn't part of the American dream creating your family. Yeah making your family and your children better
off Yeah, man, and now the American dream for a lot of people
is what people don't realize what the American dream When these migrants come here and they cram their whole family in a studio apartment, five people, and the dad is working 16-hour days, that's the American dream.
That is the American dream.
The dream that you could leave a country with no upward mobility, with class repression and dictatorship, come here, Cram your entire family into a tiny, awful living space, work 16 hours a day, and then your kid gets a better job.
Then they start a family and they get to be a part of that wealthy American dream.
jack murphy
People come here for capitalism.
They don't come here for socialism.
Jeez Louise, people.
Can we get this straight?
tim pool
I do love the meme where it's like, how come no one's fleeing to Venezuela?
And the only real excuse you typically get from socialists is, well, the United States caused those problems.
And it's just like, Get lost.
You're telling me your solution is a magic, like your problem is with a magic wand.
A nebulous statement doesn't mean anything.
Prove to me that the failed state of Venezuela was caused by American influence.
ian crossland
I would like, I think, I thought it was the sanctions that put too much pressure on their government and they couldn't, it just broke their economy.
tim pool
Why can't they support themselves with their own economy?
ian crossland
I don't know.
tim pool
Why aren't they energy independent?
Why aren't they able to grow their own food?
ian crossland
They're small and they're like a jungle They were the wealthiest country.
jack murphy
No, they sit on a giant pile of oil.
ian crossland
Yeah, but you can't extract it.
tim pool
Why can't they extract it?
jack murphy
They don't have the technology.
lydia smith
Boom, yeah.
tim pool
No, that's not true, dude.
They're socialists, dude.
I could be wrong, so I guess maybe... I can fact check this, too.
My understanding, it's been a long time, it's been six years since I went there, was that they nationalized the oil industry so that we can share all the profits.
Here's the good news.
The people of Venezuela pay ridiculously low costs for gasoline.
It's really, really cheap.
And they can't trade or do anything else.
ian crossland
Because OPEC won't buy their oil.
Is that what it is?
Unless they take OPEC money.
tim pool
Yeah, they nationalized in 1976.
Yeah, it's called PDVSA.
ian crossland
And they won't, they take the Bolivar.
tim pool
Bolivar Fuerte now, I think.
ian crossland
Oh, is it?
tim pool
I don't know.
They keep changing it.
jack murphy
They got to slice off like easier.
ian crossland
One of the ways OPEC bullies countries with their oil is they make them sell their oil in U.S.
dollars.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
If they won't bow to that, then they like ostracize them.
They'll put sanctions on the country and be like, you know, Take our money or... So what's stopping the country from... I'm not sure that's exactly right.
tim pool
Well, the international oil trade is in U.S.
dollars.
ian crossland
Correct.
jack murphy
But I don't think that that's OPEC's decision.
tim pool
Well, I think there's a lot more than just OPEC.
I don't think it's OPEC's decision.
It's probably, you'd be better off saying, I don't know, IMF or something.
ian crossland
Jeez, how deep does it go?
Well, international... International settlements, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
EIS.
tim pool
So I put it this way.
I mean, there's no reason Whether they're sanctions or not, a country should fall into absolute chaos or whatever, because that implies that other countries just magically have the ability to be successful and grow their own food on their own.
And for some reason, this country can't do it.
You know what I mean?
ian crossland
Well, U.S.
is very unique that it has such a landmass, that it can grow crops, and has oil, and has uranium, I think.
tim pool
But that doesn't explain why Venezuela has like 12 jobs in one cell phone store, right?
So, when I went to Venezuela, this is the easiest anecdote I can give to people, it's like, what's wrong with the country?
I wanted to buy a cell phone.
It was like six people.
In the United States, when you want to buy a cell phone, you walk into T-Mobile, and the lady walks up to you, and she's like, how can I help you?
I'd like that phone.
You're like, okay, let me go grab it from the back.
She walks out, it's this much a month, here's how much it costs, and you go, awesome, and you sign the thing, and then she types the things in, then she puts SIM card in, she calls, boom, you got a cell phone!
Yeah, so good.
You know what it was like in Venezuela?
I walked in, walked to the counter, I had a translator, and they showed me a list of all their phones,
and I said this phone, and then they gave me a piece of paper and sent me to acquisitions,
then I went upstairs and went to someone, showed it to them, and they said, ah, okay,
and then they went and came back with the phone, then they pointed me, gave me a slip,
pointed me to planning, then I went to another guy and he showed me the plans, then I picked a plan,
then he wrote a piece of paper, gave me this.
ian crossland
Sounds like the DMV, dude.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm not kidding.
I was laughing, it took two hours.
It took two hours for me to get a phone, and then the last thing was the SIM card,
and then finally it was the payment, and the dude who was with me, I was laughing,
and he was like, it's crazy, right?
Because the government mandated these jobs.
Everything slowed to a crawl and breaks.
And you have people working jobs that don't do anything but reduce efficiency.
And so, like, he's explaining to me, because the government has to mandate jobs because of socialism, they just figure out ways to make people work in some way, even if it doesn't help.
And so what they did was, okay, everyone's got a job now, even though your job literally makes the thing harder to do.
ian crossland
One of the Federal Reserve's goals is to give everyone jobs, even if it means one guy's digging a hole, the other guy's filling the hole back up.
They want them working so they're not focused on, you know, the debt machine that wants interest.
tim pool
Well, that's too much.
Like, the Federal Reserve does a lot of things, but to say that they're trying to do that... Venezuela's literally a socialist government that had to figure out how to put everyone to work.
ian crossland
Whenever they're like, jobs!
I'm gonna bring jobs back!
Jobs, jobs, jobs, jobs!
Like, what kind of job?
A crappy job that is a guy digging a hole in the other guy's job as fill it?
tim pool
Yeah, but what's a real example of that?
ian crossland
A job to go murder people in another country?
Like, what's your job?
Jobs doesn't mean it's good.
There can be bad jobs that we need to get rid of.
tim pool
Yeah, for sure.
I think one of the biggest problems we have is that we have a bunch of jobs that are intermediaries that don't do anything.
ian crossland
Or that do damage.
tim pool
Yeah, I think we're getting to a point where there are a lot of jobs that are remnants of a bygone era, for instance.
I don't want to call on anyone's job specifically because I don't want to drag anybody over their job that I might think is obsolete.
But there's a lot of jobs that have been made obsolete by the internet.
By kiosks, for instance.
jack murphy
you know, fast food and stuff. So when you have a market based economy that responds to price
signals set by buyers and sellers, then we allocate our resources efficiently. That's why we like our
system, because we are generally moving towards efficiency, even if we're not 100% efficient,
we're moving towards efficiency.
I want to back up a second and talk about these empathy triggers that we were talking about earlier.
We were talking about the way that they create these tribes, right?
The tribes of the other and the good and the bad and the way that people absorb information and then believe something without understanding it.
It's because we're being sorted now into tribes based on empathetic triggers.
So think about it.
You see a video.
And one person, if you're in this tribe, you feel a certain way about, you know, George Floyd and the knee on the neck or whatever, or you see a video of somebody coming out of a store with loot in their hand and you get an emotional trigger.
If you believe in Black Lives Matter and all the thing and you see somebody looting, you're like, yeah, man, you know, just destroy, get it, whatever.
But if you're on the right side, you see that and you just feel immediately like rage.
And so we're just being bombarded constantly with these images that are supposed to elicit this emotional response out of us that's like deeper than our voice or our speaking or our self-talk, right?
It's empathy is in dogs and animals and chickens and whatever.
It's in us to it predates language so we can communicate with each other through empathetic triggers and that's what's happening with social media with the videos with the Internet and we're all being completely sorted based on our empathetic responses to the same kind of images and that's why It also triggers this hate as well, and there's just no reasoning behind it.
You can't reason people out of it when they're responding on a level that's like below language.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, reason breaks down after taking empathy.
tim pool
Well, when you get angry, you don't think logically.
So there was a, uh, I was reading this story once about, it was like a U.S.
naval vessel that was sank, and all the soldiers, you know, or sailors, fled to the life rafts, and then one guy, everyone's freaking out, he pulled out a service weapon, dismantled it, took out all the bullets, and then gave everyone a part, and said, shut up, we're gonna rebuild this.
And then everyone was confused, and he's like, shut up, we're rebuilding it.
ian crossland
Go!"
tim pool
And then they had to piece it together.
And that was a survival training to put people back in a logical state of mind to get them out of the rage, the panic mode.
So then they start thinking, I have to wait for my name to be called.
So it puts them in a systematic.
That allowed them to think clearly and rationally, come up with a plan.
And survive longer.
jack murphy
That's very smart.
That's actually a fantastic stress management tool right there.
tim pool
But assigning everybody a piece, saying what's all your name.
ian crossland
Sounds like giving people jobs.
And it does, doesn't it?
Yeah, it does.
tim pool
People love jobs, man.
ian crossland
I want to keep talking about what you're talking about, but I want to talk about, say this real quick, that if, like in the matrix, it looks like if we were automating jobs away and it's going to like, what is our job now?
Talking into a camera or whatever.
And then in the future, like, what's your job?
Using the heat that your body produces to create electricity, and then they put them in tanks, and you're just plugged in.
tim pool
That was so dumb, by the way.
ian crossland
Yeah, but that was like, their job became just to produce heat, their body.
And maybe that is our ultimate jobs.
tim pool
Well, I mean, look, to be fair, that dude, I forgot his name in the Matrix, who wants to go back in.
jack murphy
Right, the guy with the steak and the red wine and the red dress?
He's like, just put Yes.
ian crossland
Cypher.
tim pool
Cypher, yeah, yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
He's like... Joey Pantalone.
jack murphy
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
What was the joke he said?
You know why everything tastes like chicken?
Because the machines never had real meat before, so they just make everything taste like chicken.
Something like that.
But I empathize with that idea.
That he's just put me in the machine where I just generate heat and get to live a normal life.
You know, what's the point of being flushed out into the netherworld of, you know, weird robots and eating sludge and stuff?
For me, I'm all about freedom though.
jack murphy
I was gonna say, where would you go?
I've already established that I'm comfortable being other and counterculture and I like to resist the mainstream sort of themes.
Would you want to be in the Matrix or would you want to be in the in the spaceship trying to find Zion and save the world and free everybody from the Matrix?
Where would you be?
Red wine, red dress, red steak?
No.
tim pool
I'll tell you what, man.
You know what the best part about getting out of the Matrix is?
You can control your own virtual realities if you're outside of it.
So the people who were in it were doting about normal lives with limited control, but it was, like, calming, I guess.
Because that was one of the points that Smith made in the Matrix, that they gave humans paradise, and humans rejected it, because it was not normal.
But the people who leave the Matrix can have that thing go into their heads or whatever, and then they can create their own little virtual world.
So it's kind of like, hey, I'll tell you what, man.
You get to go out.
Life's not easy.
I'm okay with life not being easy.
But then you get really awesome breaks where you can learn kung fu instantly and stuff.
I gotta show everyone this comet.
lydia smith
Oh, snap.
tim pool
He's a guy and he's got a packet of silica gel.
Do not eat.
And he goes, those silica gel industry big shots can't tell me what to do.
And then he eats it.
The next one is him with like a cap on with electrodes and he's like shocked.
And there's two doctors and one says, congratulations, you've escaped the simulation.
Welcome to the real world.
ian crossland
Don't eat silica gel.
unidentified
Industry big shots can't tell me what to do.
ian crossland
Now going back to empathy triggers.
jack murphy
Yes.
ian crossland
I think social media and these algorithms are exacerbating that corralling.
jack murphy
Definitely.
100% and it's gone beyond political networking.
It's gone beyond emergent political networks like Hong Kong or Chile or France or whatever.
Now we're moving into tribes.
tim pool
Bro, it's the aliens.
jack murphy
Do you think so?
ian crossland
Because if our brains are receivers, check this out.
You know your brain's like a bunch of neurons of electricity.
That's very sensitive to other electricity.
And you know, what if something's beaming something to our brains?
Like if obviously the sun's beaming light to us, but what if there's the galactic core or something or.
The Galactic Federation.
Intelligent vibration is like interacting with our brain.
And they're more like radio transmitters that are, they're tuned in to the right frequency
and then behaving the way that the free.
And so when you're writing information and your brain is like growing,
you're actually writing a new tuning shape that's receiving different information.
tim pool
That's just wildly speculative.
It's like, the joke I was making was like, you're talking about how we're being corralled.
And I was just like, like sheep, we're being corralled like sheep, like someone is, you know, they got they got a stick and they're flapping it and there's like a dog running around and barking at us and we're going, we're all running into little corrals where we're being neatly tribalized.
But what's also happening, talking about empathy triggers, it's interesting.
People who are likely to get angry, people who are likely to get sad, people who are likely to get angry at X, people who are likely to get angry at Y, are all being put in bubbles that can be mapped out.
So these data networks are really interesting where they take, they do visualizations of Twitter, and you'll see Democrats and Republicans, and like Republicans smaller, but like really tightly packed, meaning they agree more with each other, and the Democrats are very spread out.
And so what happens is, it's like you were saying, you show someone a picture of You know, George Floyd, some people react X, some people react Y, and they all immediately cluster.
And now we've created, we've strengthened the borders around the different types of people, the different emotional reactions, all neatly packaged and quantified.
The joke I was making was that aliens are shepherding us.
I don't think aliens are shepherding us.
ian crossland
But why would we be doing that to ourselves?
tim pool
Accidentally.
ian crossland
Is there such a thing as an accident?
jack murphy
Well, the systems evolved to do whatever we thought they were going to do.
We created this social media network, DARPA started on it, whatever we got here.
But now it's like an emergent phenomenon.
You know, people figure out something that works and then people repeat it and repeat it and repeat it and repeat it.
So in a way we are doing it to ourselves on purpose.
And then the meme makers, the meme magicians, the people that control narrative, They are DEFINITELY doing it on purpose.
tim pool
Okay, 100% Well, so I've been thinking about
unidentified
100%.
tim pool
It's what we're doing Especially, right, for sure
So like my main channel is like typically Democrats are doing this
and I don't like them for these reasons But you know, I've fought long and hard
I'm like, first of all, I do think there's criticism towards me, same as any other partisan who's producing content because they're focused on something they don't like.
But what I think it is, it's not that I'm making things up.
unidentified
No, no, no, no.
tim pool
The Democrats are doing screwed up things.
Nancy Pelosi got Republicans to cave on the COVID relief bill and even
Jake Tapper and Wolf Blitzer were like, why won't you say yes? But why is Nancy Pelosi refusing to
say yes? For tribal reasons where she's like, but Trump did this, I'm not going to let him
win on this. So then I see that and I go, harumph, then she gets mad. And so there's a back and forth
where arguably, you know, different pockets of, you know, of other tribes are morally
justified in certain things.
And then people are getting outraged at the other.
You know what I mean?
It's a tit for tat.
It's a never ending cycle of, but you did screw us over on COVID relief.
I am mad about that.
Republicans didn't do that.
And then Nancy Pelosi does something, but the tribalists defend her and ignore what she's doing because they're more mad about Donald Trump and his reaction to COVID.
And so then they complain about Trump and COVID.
You see how like this machine keeps churning.
jack murphy
Yeah.
And the influencers, the people that are driving I like to consider them, and I got this from John Robb, who is a networks analyst and a special forces guy.
Wrote a great book, Brave New War.
You should check it out.
And he and I have had a lot of conversations, and one of the things we've come to the conclusion is that the influencers, the leaders, were narrative curators, right?
So, like, information is everywhere and ubiquitous.
In fact, there's so much of it, we don't want it.
There's too much information.
And it's completely irrational to think that individuals are going to be able to sort through
all that information and figure out what's what. So an easier, more efficient way of sorting people
and getting people into places through these empathetic triggers. And then the people that
can control the large groups, they're the ones that can curate these empathetic triggers and
curate narrative in a way that causes people to coalesce.
And once you control the narrative, it can control these empathetic triggers.
You can literally control masses of people, millions of people, mobs in the street, go to war, vote for this guy, change the country, go that direction through.
I mean, it sounds so silly.
Remember 2016 people are like, Oh, I survived the meme war.
I'm a meme war veteran.
unidentified
Yeah.
jack murphy
Right.
It seems so silly then, but actually, if you think about it now, it's actually very, very apt.
tim pool
I believe it is fair to say that 4chan memed Trump into the presidency.
I'm not kidding.
I'm not saying they got him every single vote, but they got Trump votes.
ian crossland
The Pepe picture with Trump's hair was really cute.
tim pool
There were funny things that would pop up that someone would see, and then someone else would laugh and be like, make your own, laugh, join the fun.
And people were laughing and sharing memes, and it probably got a bunch of people who were like, probably mid to late 20s, who were like, you know what, I like what I'm hearing, I like what I'm seeing, this is fun, it's fun, I'm having a good time.
And those memes swung opinions.
jack murphy
Definitely.
tim pool
Swung votes.
jack murphy
I mean, you know, as well as I do.
And you had Olympic car here.
He knows as well, too, that, I mean, there is a connection between Gamergate, 4chan, the issues on 4chan, people coming onto Twitter, all these people who are on these on 4chan coming onto Twitter.
Finally, the whole Gamergate fiasco.
And literally that was the trajectory that sort of led to the meme magic that brought Trump into power.
tim pool
I was talking to somebody, a friend of mine, about the split, you know, like the tribal cultural warfare stuff.
And she was telling me, you know, if we bring people together, we can end this.
And I was like, I hate to be pessimistic, but I don't think you can bridge that divide anymore.
But the split happened, you know, in the late 2000s.
What ends up happening is, it's like I was saying, you know, like, I'll see them do something and say, I'm sick of this.
I think the Republicans are bad, but can you believe what the Democrats are doing?
Like, especially COVID relief is so important, they're blaming Mitch McConnell.
Oh, I'll criticize Mitch McConnell for adjourning the Senate until the 9th.
I think they should have done something, but the problem was Nancy Pelosi would not accept them constantly giving her what she wanted.
So if you go all the way back in time, Gamergate stuff, before that, how did this Gamergate happen?
It was a gradual tit-for-tat.
Tribes were slowly forming, and then, I've mentioned this several, several times, CGP Grey has a great video called, This Video Will Make You Angry, explains how The memes and the arguments are not made... So he's like, consider it like one side are butterflies and one side are flowers.
They actually help each other become more angry and extreme in their views.
Because what happens is the one side, they all argue with each other about the other side.
So you have both sides festering and bouncing ideas around about each other and never actually crossing over and talking to each other.
So that just makes the divide get crazier and crazier and crazier and then every day people say them, them, them and complain about them and everybody's doing it.
And everybody feels justified in doing it, myself included.
jack murphy
Yeah.
And if you remember, you know, people that have transitions like myself and others that went Democrat to deplorable on amazon.com, if you, if you have a transition, usually it's because of some sort of traumatic experience that happens to you.
Something so bad has to happen that you are willing to let go of your ego attachment to your mental framework.
And you're willing to re willing to reconsider a different perspective.
And what I am concerned about right now, and I've just witnessed it by tipping, dipping my toe back into Facebook and talking to my old normie friends, is that what traumatic experience is going to happen to them in order to have them shake free of their ego attachment to this mental framework that's been inserted into their brain?
Unfortunately, if it's not an individual instance, it's going to have to be a national instance.
Man, you know, who knows what that's gonna be or when it's gonna happen.
tim pool
You couldn't bridge the divide?
Alien invasion?
jack murphy
You know, I talked about that with John Ra, but you know, some of us are gonna wanna just shoot, nuke them, you know, from, you know, nuke them in orbit.
Nuke them in orbit.
Or some of them are gonna welcome them, others are gonna think, I mean, it's gonna be divided then too.
tim pool
You know what I think it'll be?
The aliens will be, you know, they'll have some kind of ideology called, you know, Glorbobism.
And Americans are going to be like, we welcome the aliens, but they got to assimilate if they want to come here.
And the left is going to be like, they come with wonderful technology across the stars.
I think we can hear out their idea, you know, and be welcome.
It's always going to be the same things.
jack murphy
I thought there was a moment that COVID was going to be the aliens that brought us together back in the end of February, early March.
tim pool
The lattice against China.
jack murphy
You know, that lasted for like, I don't know, four seconds.
ian crossland
Hominids like evolved, you know, like Homo sapien is new relatively.
We used to be all kind of different hominid.
tim pool
I think it's like 40,000 years or something.
ian crossland
And then we annihilated the other hominids.
jack murphy
So even the other Homo sapiens sapiens.
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah.
Like Neanderthals, Homo Florensis, like we just killed them all.
jack murphy
Homo Sapien Sapien was a sub... There's like seven other Homo Sapien Sapien out there, I think, and they died off.
ian crossland
So if we don't bridge the gap, I think that part of us are going to evolve and then hopefully not annihilate the old ones, but potentially.
tim pool
This is an interesting argument about who would ultimately win in a major conflict, the collectivists or the individualists.
And it's a good argument for the collectivists.
jack murphy
You think?
tim pool
Absolutely.
unidentified
But they've lost every single time so far.
tim pool
It's tough.
I don't know.
ian crossland
Well, you have to come together to win a war.
tim pool
That's why I said it's a good argument, not a definitive position.
jack murphy
But fighting for other people or fighting for yourself, which happens to benefit other people, is a very powerful difference and a very powerful distinction.
tim pool
So why is Antifa allowed to continue this reign of terror?
jack murphy
Oh, well, that's easy because people love the destruction, they love the distraction.
They want to be able to blame Donald Trump for bad things.
tim pool
They've got allies that act in concert and protect each other.
So the media is absolutely defending Antifa and Black Lives Matter rioters.
Now, journalists will talk about the riots, for sure.
But there are major components of, say, like, the New York Times that will justify it.
There's the book In Defense of Looting.
They have powerful media allies.
And the thing is, the really simple way to put it is, When I say that journalists will cover the riots, those journalists are allied with the activist journalists who defend Antifa overtly, not with conservative media.
So there was a story I was reading earlier from San Antonio Express, I think it was, about Project Veritas' expose on the voter fraud stuff.
And the whole thing was just ridiculously poisoned well.
Veritas released a heavily edited video.
They've been accused of deceiving and running smear campaigns.
Like, before they even told you what they saw, they were making sure you hated Veritas.
That is mainstream media allied with the activists.
If a conservative outlet publishes news, mainstream establishment media typically says, go F yourself.
That's power of collectivism.
So conservatives do have their collective.
It's true.
It's like interesting moments where conservatives form collectives and we're seeing rallies for Trump and stuff like that.
jack murphy
But what's interesting now is there are things that look like collective behavior that are really just emergent phenomenon and emergent networks that have people who have Well, that's true.
momentarily aligned interests. And therefore they're willing to work in concert with other
people in order to achieve this goal that they have in common. Once the goal dissipates,
then the alliance dissipates, the goal moves. Well, that's true. Yeah. Talk about, that's
tim pool
why they're not free for free speech anymore.
That's why it was the left protesting the World Trade Organization, the battle in Seattle, and now they're in favor of international trade.
That's why the Democrats used to say, we need to regulate, and now you've got all these Democrats saying, put in a private platform.
Their tribe just said, we're going to realign in this direction.
And it's funny because it was a tit-for-tat.
Republicans have a real reason to want Section 230 reform on big tech, because their constituents are getting banned for saying innocuous things like Learn to Code.
The Democrats then must take the immediate opposite reaction of,
but my private platform, we should agree on this.
But no, it's always about being the other and the gold moves.
jack murphy
Well, if we want to throw out one major criticism of Donald Trump is that he did not move quickly
or with enough strength or with enough force to actually protect the people that helped him get
elected over social media in 2016, 2015, etc. And it's a little too little, a little too late.
It's because the rest of the senators are all taken by corporate interests, moneyed interests.
Nobody really, really wants to implement anti-trust.
No one really wants to crack down on the corporations.
They're all getting money from them.
And if Trump had actually been smarter about this earlier on, then it would have actually helped him quite a bit.
tim pool
Trump could have done one thing.
He could have just signed up for Mines.
But I mean it.
I was with Bill Ottman, co-founder, along with Ian, of Mines.
jack murphy
Co-founder of Mines?
I had no idea.
I'm on Mines.
ian crossland
Let's do it.
jack murphy
Let's do it.
tim pool
So I was with Bill.
We went to the White House.
It was a social media summit.
And someone said, will you sign up for a alternate platform?
And Trump said, which one?
And a bunch of us aren't saying things.
And it's like, well, I don't care what it is.
I say mine's Ian's in the room.
Gap.
Parlor.
ian crossland
But they're not free software.
They are also alternate.
Free software is a big deal.
tim pool
All I'm saying is, if Trump right now posted something saber-rattling, you know, oh, those Russians are in China, and he put it on Mines, the media would be forced to report about it.
And then all of a sudden people would, it would be massive press for a new platform that would attract massive user bases, and it would offset the monopoly held by these other, what was it called, the big three, I guess?
ian crossland
Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube?
tim pool
Google.
ian crossland
Oh, Google.
tim pool
Is it Google?
YouTube.
ian crossland
YouTube, Twitter, Facebook.
tim pool
Yeah, the big social networks.
So Trump could snap his fingers and just totally, you know, Twitter was dying before Trump came.
Twitter was losing users.
They didn't know what they were going to do.
And then Trump came along and then Trump started tweeting and they loved it.
What's the right way to phrase this?
It's not his fault personally, but the action did lead to the mass tribalization through Twitter and the fighting and all this stuff.
to take. Well I will I will. What's the right way to phrase this. It's not his
fault personally but the action did lead to the mass tribalization through
Twitter and the fighting and all the stuff like if Twitter just went away
we'd be a lot better off. But now we've created this you know this battlefield
for the culture war which is Twitter and people are mean on purpose to earn
I can say the nastiest thing, I get retweets I likes.
People like it when I'm nasty, ooh, and everyone does it.
Anyway, I digress.
Trump could just sign up for any one of these things, and it would have just totally shut down the bias.
If Trump said, Twitter just censored a bunch of my supporters, so I'm gonna go sign up and exclusively post on this platform, Twitter would be like, no, no, no, no, we're gonna reinstate them, we're gonna, please, we're, We're dying.
Twitter's stock was tanking.
It was totally tanking years ago.
And if Trump just said, I will leave right now and go post here, Twitter would have been like, we're so sorry, Donald.
We're gonna unban.
It was a mistake.
All of these people, Milo and Alex Jones, are welcome back on the platform.
And we're just trying to protect speech.
It would happen.
jack murphy
That makes me think that, you know, that part of the Trump phenomenon was him just getting on the right wave at the right time.
You know, it's like a balance.
Is it really just is he like a super genius and he was able to, like, make all this happen?
Or was he just perfectly crafted to ride the wave at the right time?
Because this is a major, a major issue that could have been resolved.
tim pool
He's he's he's not the cause of.
And I've said it a lot, he's a symptom of the existing cultural, the culture, the growing culture or whatever it
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
is. And a lot of people, I mean, PC was a big issue for a lot of
Trump supporters. When I traveled around in 2015 and 16, I went to a Trump rally and it was, I think it was Janesville,
Maybe it was just near Janesville.
And I talked to some young guys, early twenties, late, you know, late teenagers.
And they were Trump supporters and I said, what brings you out here?
And they were like, the PC culture stuff is just getting crazy.
These are guys who grew up on South Park and Family Guy, man.
They make really offensive jokes about, you know, Jewish people and gay people and black people.
That's like, we were all raised on this kind of really offensive humor.
The family guy, I could be wrong about this story, but I remember one of the reasons for their cancellation was that they had an episode called, When You Wish Upon a Weinstein.
And it was Peter finds like, he tracks down a Jewish guy and then says, I need help with my accounting.
And he's like, how did you know that I'm an accountant?
And then, you know, he makes a joke.
So this, so I don't know if that's why they got canceled, but it was like a lost episode and they brought it back.
You got these young guys who grew up on that, and so that leads them to supporting Trump.
The memes, the offensive jokes, all that stuff.
Interestingly, same rally, the older working class guys who are like mid to late 40s were saying factories, trade deals.
And I even met some of these guys who were pro-Bernie before, you know, Bernie dropped, like, got knocked out, and then they went to Trump.
jack murphy
Yep.
Yeah.
Uh, I did a survey and 90% of people that voted for Donald Trump in this survey cited one reason as a response to political correctness.
You know, that's not a myth.
That's a real thing.
And it's, it's about people feeling stifled and not able to just be who they are, just be crass or just make jokes or whatever.
It just was, it was a big deal for people.
It still is.
tim pool
So this is interesting because so long as you have Trump, who is the S poster in chief, and he can say bombastic stuff.
Then we can be ourselves because we're not nearly as crazy as Trump is.
You know what I mean?
When Trump goes up there and he says all this, you know, stuff, you know that your worst is not as bad as Trump has been at certain points.
Like when he called Rose O'Donnell fat pig.
He's been, he's been a lot better.
ian crossland
He's the foil in like literary liturgy.
He would be the foil.
tim pool
He's actually gotten a lot better.
I remember at a rally recently, he was like, I'm not going to say it because they're going to get mad at me if I do.
And I was like, there he goes.
He's trying to tone it down a little bit.
ian crossland
Speaking of people feeling, what word did you use?
Not oppressed, but stifled and not wanting to feel stifled.
He wants to open up the economy and Biden wants to keep it shut down.
Talking about stifling people.
tim pool
So, right, right.
That's a good point.
This is why I bring up the PC stuff and what he was saying, because now cancel culture is worse than ever.
jack murphy
Worse.
ian crossland
The worst I've ever seen in my life.
tim pool
Yeah, like what they're going after Joe Rogan right now because it Alex Jones on dude
ian crossland
They should let Milo back on the Twitter what that?
tim pool
Milo was a troublemaker Tyra. He's a troublemaker. Yeah, well for sure
ian crossland
Ban his account if he violated, but let him make a new account.
jack murphy
I was missing Milo the other day.
So I dug up an old post.
I remembered of his and I tweeted it out.
It was titled like an update on my fame or something like that.
And it was just him talking about how he has like 300,000 followers and this many YouTube views and dah, dah, dah, dah, dah.
But it really was a thoughtful piece on about why Independent media is very important, and it's not Milo that they're concerned about.
He even said it is the people that come after Milo that they're really worried about.
People that are free, emboldened, able to speak their mind, rabble-rousers, troublemakers, etc.
And this piece just cracked me up, so I dug it up from like 2016, tweeted it out the other day.
All the people that were with me from back then, they remember the nostalgia of the Milo Twitter days.
That's when I got on board Twitter, really.
It really was.
It was fun.
YouTube in 2006 was crazy.
ian crossland
Before Google bought them, you could say, Anything.
jack murphy
Dude, the bulletin board system I had in 1986, now that was badass.
We had two lines people could call in at the same time.
It was amazing.
unidentified
Wow.
jack murphy
9600 baud, bro.
BBS, what year was that, dude?
unidentified
90?
jack murphy
Yeah, late 80s, early 90s.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
Oh, sorry to interrupt.
Oh yeah, YouTube encouraged the anti-war movement in 2000.
Like, they were so on board.
Chad Hurley.
We should get Chad Hurley on the show.
tim pool
Remember when Philip DeFranco hosted Gary Johnson?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
I think it was Gary Johnson, was it?
He did a big thing with YouTube election night where they had like Gary Johnson come in.
YouTube knew at that point like back then that they were an alternative space to the mainstream and they reveled in it.
Now YouTube is the mainstream and they're scared of losing the position so they're banning whoever whenever.
They did a big purge recently of what they called QAnon or conspiracy channels.
Not all of them were.
But they don't have the voice or the PR ability to do anything about it.
So smaller channels, smaller accounts are getting nuked every day.
They could ban someone who's moderately big, and then it creates a big uproar.
Then they go, okay, okay, oops, it was a mistake.
And then they keep doing the same thing.
They're just trying to avoid the controversy.
jack murphy
Yeah, I've been posting more videos to my YouTube channel.
It's been going well, but yet there's always this nagging thought in the back of my mind.
It's like, how much investment should I really put in this?
ian crossland
Go all the way.
jack murphy
I am going all the way.
I'm going full-blown Jack Murphy Live on YouTube.
It's a lot of fun, and the videos have been very well received.
Tim's audience has been tremendous in coming by.
tim pool
Yeah, everybody loves you, man.
jack murphy
They all say, Tim sent me!
unidentified
They love your beard, and they love Tom Segura.
ian crossland
We gotta get Jack and Tom Segura in the room.
They look so much alike.
Similar bone structure, their voices are similar.
jack murphy
Every other comment is about Tom Segura.
I have no idea who you are, dude, but everybody in Tim's comments thinks that we look alike.
ian crossland
Good friends.
Married to Christina P. They have Your Mom's House is their show.
Check out Your Mom's House on YouTube.
tim pool
This is interesting about the Joe Rogan thing with the cancel culture stuff is that Spotify has an email that got leaked to BuzzFeed where they said, we're not going to take action against this channel because they hosted a guest on their own show.
You know, Spotify saying, we can't do anything about it.
And they said, sometimes people might actually want to flag violations of our community guidelines, but this show does not violate those guidelines.
So don't just flag things because of what you heard in the press.
jack murphy
Oh, so did the Alex Jones interview go out on Spotify?
Yeah, it went out on Spotify.
Well, I mean, you say, of course, but they like didn't load up the back catalog of those.
tim pool
I guess Joe said that was because they were corrupted.
The files were corrupted, which I know it sounds really weird, right?
jack murphy
Especially episode 9-1-1.
The first Alex Jones episode was Joe Rogan 9-1-1.
ian crossland
I would love to go so deep on 9-1-1 because I have a lot of information about the conspiracies of 9-1-1.
tim pool
I've read so much about it and I think the problem with online conspiracy stuff is that, and this is what I've said about Alex Jones, Imagine you have a big connect the dots puzzle picture, and there's like 10,000 dots, and if you connect them in the proper order, it's an elephant!
But if it's a bunch of random dots, and you start connecting them, you could draw an alligator.
A really crude one, but you'd be like, it was an alligator the whole time!
And it's like, no, look, they're the things.
You didn't connect the dots.
ian crossland
I don't know how much we're allowed to talk about 9-11 on YouTube and stay monetized.
None.
unidentified
None at all.
ian crossland
I just don't at all.
Yeah, I never have.
tim pool
Not at all?
Yeah, you bring it up, it's instant demonetization.
ian crossland
That's crazy.
tim pool
Because they actually have a specific category for discussing modern acts of terror.
ian crossland
Yeah, and it's like it was the instigation for this entire war in the Middle East.
jack murphy
We're not talking about 9-11.
lydia smith
That's right.
ian crossland
I didn't even bring it up.
I worked there at ground zero.
Wow.
10 feet away from the pile.
I didn't walk up on it because I didn't have clearance.
tim pool
Donald Trump was down there. He totally was. And there was like, yeah he was.
It's funny because they try and claim it's false I guess.
They do this thing with fact-checking where they're like, Donald Trump claims
that he was on the ground shortly after 9-11, you know, attacks occurred with
a big bucket of And then you're like, ah, wait, wait.
And there's a picture of him down there.
But then they're like, he actually wasn't there.
And it's like, there's a picture of him down there.
Right.
I don't know what the actual story is.
Like he was helping or something.
jack murphy
I don't know.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
So Britney Spears came down.
jack murphy
So the official story on the Spotify not not migrating the older Alex Jones episodes was that the files were corrupted.
tim pool
I think that's what Joe said.
jack murphy
And Gavin too.
tim pool
I think Joe said the files were corrupted.
To be fair.
Um, there are often times that we stream and, like, for some reason the recording corrupts.
lydia smith
Yeah, dude.
It's annoying.
tim pool
And then we'll try to go to YouTube to download it and it's grayed out and I can't do anything about it.
And then I'll try to, like, the video will play the full two hours.
And then I'll go to, like, one of these YouTube downloading sites and try and download it and it won't work.
So you know what I have to do?
I have to screen capture the whole show and let it play because it's there, the file's there.
It won't let me download it.
I'll say this.
It happens.
You know, we've had that problem.
You can tell because we've had a bunch of episodes that were like really low res because we had a recording error where for some reason it was not recording properly.
We had to fix it.
So it's true.
This could have happened to Joe.
The only issue is that it was like very specific people who like didn't make it.
But look, look, I think, I got sent an email from, actually a couple people were pointing out, that Joe Rogan's guest list, like all of a sudden Alex Jones disappeared from it, and they were like, it's Spotify, they're coming after him, and then he had Alex Jones on.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And now they're all mad about it, and he did what he was planning on doing, I don't know.
He's gonna host, he wants to host.
ian crossland
Maybe there were more corruptive files too, I didn't really get the full disclosure, where they're like ton, or like 30, 40, 50 episodes, and then Alex was one of them, and Gavin was one of them, I don't know.
tim pool
I don't know, I think, I wonder if, you know, we had Enrique Tarjo on this show, and I was wondering, I was like, are they gonna ban me?
Are they gonna be like, oh no, he's plaffering these guys?
I'm like, I don't care, because, you know, look, I have my limits, I suppose.
I'm sure we'll find them when it happens.
But I think if someone's extremely relevant to the conversation, we talk to them about it.
And it was absurd to me that the journalists were saying, don't interview the Proud Boys.
I'm like, first of all, let me tell you something.
I'm an American.
You know what happens when you come to me and tell me not to do something?
lydia smith
Guess what?
tim pool
There's this really great story.
Check it out.
Where some dude, his friend, put a Trump sign in his yard to mess with him because the guy was not super political.
And then, so the guy was just like, I don't feel like moving it.
My friend put it in to kind of screw with me.
Cause he knew like, Oh, you got your own flag.
But then the city came and we're like, take that flag that signed down.
And he was like, what?
So he put up like 30 of them.
unidentified
He was like, you tell me what.
tim pool
He said, I never cared what sign in the first place, but you come to me and tell me what to do.
And I'm going to do the opposite.
jack murphy
Look, Tim, I want to give you kudos, man.
I think it's a great idea to have people on from both sides of the aisle.
I think it's great idea to have people on that are don't agree with you.
I think it is an intellectual necessity to ask, inquire, and try to understand people who think differently than you do.
So, good for you, dude.
I really appreciate that.
tim pool
And the other thing too is, if you think you don't need to hear the other side's arguments, And you're the douchebag.
That's arrogant, dude, because I tell you this.
I think it's true that the left's got some things right, the right's got some things right.
Right now, I just think the left has got most of it wrong.
And so it changes.
I remember back during Occupy when, like I mentioned the story about the cops throwing the National Lawyers Guild against the car.
In that instance, the National Lawyers Guild guy was innocent.
The cops were seriously violating his rights.
I've seen stuff like that happen before.
Today, the National Lawyers Guild is overtly defending one ideology that are targeting the police and throwing bricks and molotovs.
And it's like, I hear from a lot of journalists, they're like, you know, I have friends who are still reporting and they're like, the cops are still doing these things.
And I'm like, dude, you can't for 40, you know, for 50 nights, I think it was 30, 36 or 38 when they kept going to the federal court building and breaking in.
And then complain the cops are arresting you and trying to clear the area.
If you're walking down the street on a night of protest and the cops arrest you, by all means, I respect your right to complain, depending on the circumstances.
But after 38 nights and you bring a blowtorch to cut a lock, you're like, but the police are trying to arrest journalists now.
Or are they just like, it's been 38 nights and we've got to put an end to this?
There are limits.
There's reasonable limits or whatever.
But I think things change.
You know, the early 90s cancel culture was very much a right-wing thing, you know, shutting down the rappers, explicit labels and all that stuff.
And we talked about the religious moral authoritarians and now it's the left.
And for me, it's like, if you don't listen to this other side, I think it's a fear thing that you might actually find out that your worldview has holes in it.
jack murphy
Totally.
ian crossland
Or you'll get rewired or something.
unidentified
You're teaching the kids bad information.
tim pool
There are certainly things that, like, you know, we could bring in someone that could say something really, really awful for sure.
But, I mean, look, you gotta have mental... In a charismatic way.
You have to have mental fortitude.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
And so I'll say this.
If you have blind spots, you need someone to, you know, challenge you so you can figure out what those are.
And also, you need to know your enemy.
Not that people on the other side of the aisle are your enemy, but it's like Sun Tzu art of war stuff.
Know thy enemy.
argument from your opponent and go after it as opposed to a straw man which can
ian crossland
knock down very easily. And also you need to know your enemy not that people on
the other side of the aisle are your enemy but it's like Sun Tzu art of war
stuff know thy enemy if you want to win a war you got to know what they think, how they think, where they are, what
tim pool
they're gonna do. And I'll say one more thing imagine you're like lifting weights you're trying to get
ripped and you're like I'm gonna use smaller weights today
That'll help.
It won't.
It won't.
Talking to the same people, the same opinions, and never being challenged is like trying to lift weights, but you're going smaller instead of bigger.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
Bring on those challenges.
jack murphy
Again, kudos for that.
I've tried to do the same.
I invited a Democrat onto my show.
And we had the interview and it was fantastic and I was really excited to release it
it was a different perspective from mine, but we found some common ground and
I got a phone call from him panicked later and he's like dude, you can't release it. Don't release it
Don't release it because he was afraid that the people around him in his universe
Were going to whatever cancel him for appearing on my I didn't know it was the right way
tim pool
Did you release it?
jack murphy
No, I did not release it.
I'm itching to release it because it's so good.
tim pool
I think you're obligated to release it.
jack murphy
I don't think so.
How do I disrespect my guests like that?
I can't.
tim pool
I think I have a different perspective from you.
If I brought someone in here, they were like, I want to be on your show.
I'll do your show.
And then later we're like, no, no, no, no.
I'll be like, no, no, no, dude.
I dedicated my time to you.
I made you guarantees.
I gave you a space.
You spoke.
You got scared later.
You can't put me out like that.
jack murphy
I feel that.
I read the book.
I spent 15 hours prep.
I was very detailed.
tim pool
And you don't know if anything's actually going to happen.
unidentified
I know.
tim pool
He's just freaking out and it's not fair to you.
Like there's two pieces of this equation.
jack murphy
I agree.
I agree.
But I also want to invite, I want to be able to invite other people on the show too.
tim pool
So what's the argument then?
Like some guy says, I once, you know, did you invite him or did he?
jack murphy
I invited him.
tim pool
So I was once invited to a show I agreed to be on and spent time on and then later regretted doing it and he published it.
People are going to be like, then just don't, don't go on the show.
jack murphy
Yeah.
I don't know.
Maybe it's just the pleasure.
tim pool
I mean, we're live.
jack murphy
So I mean, like once you're in the chair, you're in the chair and everybody can see, you know, this is something that I talked about with friends and advisors.
Like, should I release it?
Should I release it?
And you know, what they said to me was like, look, you know, you want to be able to invite other people on the show.
You want people to know that you treat them fairly.
You want to be respectful to these other people.
Yes.
It was disrespectful to me.
It wasted a lot of my time and energy.
tim pool
But you have an agreement and you didn't change the terms of that agreement.
jack murphy
I did not.
And it also just feeds into this culture, right?
It just feeds into this fearful culture.
We could have been an example of how to have communication across the aisle in a productive way and find common ground.
I think finding the common ground might have been the part that scared him the most.
tim pool
I think you're obligated to put it up.
ian crossland
I think you should talk to him and get him to agree to put it up.
tim pool
I tried to stop him.
I take offense to that.
You don't have to.
He already agreed to do your show.
He did your show.
And you did work and took time out of your life to get it done.
And now he's coming back to you with regret saying, no, don't?
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
The agreement was made.
The conditions were met.
We did it.
It's done.
It's going up.
You can't, after all of that, like imagine someone comes to you and says, I want you
to spend, you know, a week building me a dog house.
And then as soon as you do it, they walk up and say, nah, I'm going to knock it over and
destroy it.
unidentified
You're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
jack murphy
Tim's bullying me into releasing this podcast.
tim pool
Listen, listen, imagine a culture where every single time you did an interview afterwards,
they went, no.
Yeah.
This would be like a kind of protest sit-in where they would be like, Hey, Jack, I'll come on your show.
They'll do it and say, now don't release it because I don't want you to.
jack murphy
Right.
You know, my mistake was that I sat on it.
It was, I recorded it like two days before COVID, like before the NBA games got called and all that.
So like, like the conversation in the world just changed.
And you know, so we were just like, I'm just like, all right, let me just wait to the right time.
tim pool
Well, maybe it's irrelevant now.
jack murphy
Oh, no.
No, it's an evergreen issue.
tim pool
I once was standing on the street in Berkeley and I was filming.
I have a GoPro and a gimbal that I would, you know, walk around.
It was a really cool thing.
Great, great steady shot.
And I was talking about what was going on when all of a sudden this woman started just interrupting me because I was saying things like, so I'm here, you know, Berkeley.
We just saw a bunch of Trump supporters.
And then she started talking and started saying things.
And so then I, holding the camera, I turned and faced her and she kept going.
And then I interviewed her for several minutes.
unidentified
And then she noticed the camera and she kept going and I was like asking her questions and all that stuff.
What?
tim pool
She said something about like, the Trump supporters deserve to get hit because they're
coming here and they know what to expect.
And then I said, so that's kind of like saying the woman deserved it because she was wearing a skimpy outfit.
And then she like agreed in some way. The video's up on my channel.
And then after I was like, after we finished talking, I walked away.
She came up to me and she goes, don't use any of that.
And I was like, don't use any of what?
And she's like, you were filming me when I was talking.
And I was like, yes, I'm standing on a public street.
I was talking.
You interrupted me.
You started saying things.
I asked you questions.
Now you don't want me to use it.
I was like, you interrupted me.
And she was like, no, but you can't.
And for obvious reasons, she was going to get annihilated.
I blurred her face, but I used it.
lydia smith
That's her.
tim pool
Yeah.
I don't, I don't want to, I don't want to destroy someone's life, but.
That was a compromise that I did not need to make.
If you come up to me on the public street and interrupt me while I'm filming, I could just use it.
But I wanted to be nice, I didn't want to create any problems, so I blurred her face and then let it ride.
In this instance, however, I was like, if someone agreed and said, I'm gonna come and do an interview, and then later was like, please don't publish it, you know what?
I actually had this happen.
I did an interview with a guy who said he was a former Hezbollah, and he, I mean, this was in Sweden, he had scars, and he talked about a lot of crazy things.
And then afterwards it was edited and went live and then he asked me to take it down.
I said, no.
And he was like, you don't understand.
It's going to put people in danger.
I'm like, bro, it's, it's up.
It's done.
I was like, you did the interview.
We, we, we, we just put it up.
It's done.
It's over.
unidentified
All right.
jack murphy
I'm going to give this some thought.
I mean, people have gone through my podcast list and there's, I left a gap.
It goes number 29 to number 31.
So it's there.
lydia smith
I do have a thought, if I may, before we go to Super Chats, which we are going to do, I think, in a minute.
I think what might happen if you end up not going through with this and not putting up this podcast is that people will use it to stall you out.
If they don't like you, they're going to be like, I'm going to take this man's time.
I'm going to waste his time, man.
tim pool
It's like a sit-in.
lydia smith
Yeah, I don't like it.
Like, what's the point of that?
jack murphy
Yeah, so I do them all.
Tim, Tim, Cass, IRL Inspired.
I do them all live on YouTube now.
lydia smith
Heck yeah, man.
jack murphy
Oh, cool.
lydia smith
That's awesome.
tim pool
Well, Super Chats, man.
jack murphy
I love the Super Chats.
tim pool
Well, when you do it live, you get, you know, actual... It's amazing.
lydia smith
I love it.
tim pool
I'm just going to ask this question right now, because it's right in front of me.
Jack Coyle says, what is your opinion on the Killdozer incident?
lydia smith
Oh snap.
jack murphy
Killdozer?
lydia smith
So cool.
tim pool
You guys don't remember Killdozer?
jack murphy
I know the term, but I couldn't... So some guy, right?
tim pool
I'm going to give you the... I barely remember the story.
lydia smith
Oh man.
tim pool
Some guy had like his own business.
I forgot what it was.
And then the city says, we're going to start building this thing next to your business.
And it shut down the road.
He complained, saying, like, you're destroying my business.
And they said, screw yourself.
And so he built the Killdozer, which was this giant bulldozer, armored.
And then he started driving around rampaging.
I think he destroyed the dude's house.
And they were shooting it.
They couldn't do it.
They couldn't penetrate it.
They couldn't stop him.
And then he ended up getting... What's up?
lydia smith
He's peeing in the corner.
Sorry.
tim pool
The cat?
lydia smith
The cat's peeing in the corner.
unidentified
I'm afraid.
jack murphy
Throw the Antifa water bottle.
Oh, it's a protest.
It's an Antifa protest now.
unidentified
I had to use the Antifa cat.
tim pool
I can't believe he did that whilst telling the Killdallzers story.
lydia smith
That was really intense.
Oh man, okay.
Let's try this again.
tim pool
We gotta get the spritz bottle.
lydia smith
Yeah, we do.
tim pool
I was like, I don't have a spritz.
You know why he's doing it?
It's because it's getting close to dinner time for him, and he's pressing his luck.
He knows that it forces us to get up and go after him.
ian crossland
Fucker, you son of a... Son of a biscuit.
lydia smith
Son of a biscuit.
tim pool
Anyway, the dude ended up falling into a basement, I guess, and getting trapped.
jack murphy
In the Killdozer.
tim pool
Yeah, I think he may have killed himself.
lydia smith
Here's a story if you want to read it.
unidentified
Wow.
Yeah.
lydia smith
Crazy story, guys.
tim pool
Alright, here we go, here we go, here we go.
Check it out.
lydia smith
Summary.
tim pool
Marvin John Heemeyer was an American welder and an automobile muffler repair shop owner who demolished numerous buildings with a modified bulldozer in Granby, Colorado on June 4th, 2004.
lydia smith
Colorado, man.
tim pool
Yeah.
Heemeyer had feuded with Granby town officials, particularly over fines for violating city health ordinances, when he chose to improperly dump sewage from his business instead of connecting to the city's sewer system.
His feud came to a head on June 4th, 2004.
Over about 18 months, Heemeyer had secretly modified a Komatsu D-355A bulldozer by adding layers of steel and concrete, intended to serve as armor.
He used this to demolish Granby Town Hall, the former mayor's house, and several other buildings.
Heemeyer's rampage concluded with his suicide, after his bulldozer became trapped in the basement of a hardware store he had been in the process of destroying.
So it was a zoning dispute.
They say that he purchased two acres of land.
The federal agency organized to handle the assets of the failed Savings and Loan Associations for $42,000 to build a muffler shop.
He subsequently agreed to sell the land to Cody Docheff to build a concrete batch plant.
According to Susan Docheff, Heemeyer changed his mind and increased the price, then a deal with approximately a million dollars.
Some believe that this negotiation happened before the rezoning proposal.
In 2001, Granby's zoning commission and trustees approved the construction of the concrete plant.
Heemeyer unsuccessfully appealed the decision.
Claiming the construction blocked access to his shop, he was subsequently fined $2,500 by the town council and a city judge for various violations, including not being hooked up to the sewer line, so it looks like the initial framing was wrong.
He had initially been unable to connect to the new sewer line as the line ran 60 feet away from his property and the city expected him to pay the nearly $80,000 cost of laying the connector.
After the concrete plant was built, the City Council denied him the easement necessary to join to the new line underneath.
So...
lydia smith
I recommend Count Dankula's video.
tim pool
Oh, he's got a video on it.
A mad lad.
Killdozer.
unidentified
Oh, man.
lydia smith
We were supposed to be doing super chats, but... Anyway, yes, that was a strong start.
ian crossland
So, yeah, he went on a rampage because... Well, I think he agreed to something that he took his agreement, reneged on the agreement afterwards, just like your guests.
lydia smith
Kind of a... Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying, yeah.
unidentified
Don't renege.
...example of why not to make an agreement and then take it back.
jack murphy
The other cat's coming for their turn now.
ian crossland
She's chased him out of here.
tim pool
All right, I'll read some of these superchats.
Let's see, we got David Merwin says, Tim, you rock.
Thank you.
Fractal says, please get Alex Jones on your show.
That would be incredible.
ian crossland
He's actually been coming up a lot lately.
tim pool
We might, we might.
lydia smith
Talking to his producer.
tim pool
I don't know if it's gonna happen.
But I was like, when I saw so we had we had Vaush on.
I had a bunch of right wing people being like, How dare you?
And we got, I think, 15% thumbs down from people.
Because most people who watch the show are like, you know, chill and willing to hear.
But some people didn't like it.
And I respect it.
You don't have to like it.
It's fine.
But a lot of people were tweeting at me saying things like, how dare you?
And stuff like that.
So that happened.
And I don't care.
But then I saw what was happening with Alex Jones.
And I'm like, isn't that so funny?
You know?
It's like, not like we're as big as Rogan or anything.
But Rogan gets attacked by the left for Jones.
And I get flack from the right for Vosh.
I thought it was hilarious.
I was like, bring it on, Alex.
Come on the show.
Just come on in.
We're gonna go with it.
And then it might actually happen.
unidentified
Sick.
tim pool
I don't know when or whatever.
unidentified
Do it.
tim pool
I hope so.
ian crossland
Election night.
tim pool
I wish.
That would have been awesome if he was here.
ian crossland
Alex, special appearance.
tim pool
He's far away.
He's gotta do his own show.
lydia smith
Yeah, sorry.
ian crossland
It'd be so funny if he just popped in.
lydia smith
It'd be really fun.
tim pool
Kiernoth says, thanks for the podcast.
Would have been great to have Jack Murphy on for yesterday's show.
unidentified
True.
lydia smith
I like Jack.
tim pool
You want to, you want to, you want to debate an Antifa?
jack murphy
That'd be fun.
unidentified
We should.
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait.
I mean, Vosh is not the colloquial understanding of Antifa.
You know what I mean?
So I don't want to say, you know, he's Antifa.
jack murphy
Did he come in with the pink gas mask on?
Because that is that is all black at a water bottle.
tim pool
He was lurking around and we're like, Vosch.
He was like, you got me.
No, no, he came like a normal guy with normal clothes.
I think it's silly how apprehensive people are about like, oh, no, he has other opinions.
ian crossland
He's like a political philosopher that makes- he talked about like child porn and was like, okay, people ignore the child slavery in Africa where they're mining rare earth minerals to make our cell phones and stuff.
And he was like, okay, if you're going to turn a blind eye to that, then child porn should be fine.
You're going to exploit children in that venue, and I'll exploit children in this venue?
What's the difference?
tim pool
I'll put it this way.
ian crossland
I explained that kind of poorly.
tim pool
They put up a clip video where he's only saying the last part, like, this should be moral and acceptable.
And his explanation was, he was basically saying, the child exploitation of kids in mines is as bad.
And, you know, so like, why are we okay with reaping the benefits of this?
And then all of a sudden, these people started sharing the clips and there's no contextual defense of this.
I didn't see the video.
I didn't watch his stream, so I'm not saying that to defend him.
I'm just saying that's what his explanation was.
ian crossland
He's a philosopher.
He really is.
And philosophers get a lot of... They killed Socrates because he would make crazy... I'm sure.
That's just what philosophy is.
You make crazy... Continue.
tim pool
I'm just saying, the dude has difference of opinions.
jack murphy
I'm more than happy to have people, you know, come here and give them... I would love a chance to have a conversation where the other guy can't leave.
unidentified
Yes!
lydia smith
Do it.
jack murphy
Or hit me with a brick.
lydia smith
Yeah, man.
tim pool
So I got a bunch of people saying that your mic is bad, your mic is bad.
I think we've got it.
lydia smith
We did.
We got it.
tim pool
Uh, Barney Boyle says, I don't resent Vaush because of different views.
I resent that he, as you revealed, lives in an echo chamber and condescends people who are better informed than him.
Well, wasn't it fantastic that we got him out of his echo chamber and had a conversation with him?
ian crossland
And he acknowledged he's in an echo chamber.
tim pool
He's like, I'm in some far-left circles, man.
And the truth is, we're in an echo chamber, too, if all of our guests are always of similar, you know, way of thinking.
lydia smith
That's why we brought him in, man.
jack murphy
Hey, I voted for Obama.
ian crossland
Me, too.
lydia smith
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
tim pool
But it's like, you know, you know, you know, we have a lot of, we have a lot of former liberals and we have a lot of conservatives.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
And it's like, we all easily get along.
The funny thing is, 20 years ago, it would have been like, wow, can you believe they're bringing on the left and the right?
It's like crossfire.
Now it's like, we all kind of mostly agree, you know?
jack murphy
Yeah.
Well, it is the cool kids club.
lydia smith
That's correct.
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
The coolest kids.
jack murphy
Out here at the ComboCast.
lydia smith
That's right, ComboCast land.
Yeah, man.
That's a requirement.
jack murphy
Magic is coming up next.
unidentified
Sure is.
Yeah.
jack murphy
I brought a deck.
Is that what you call it?
ian crossland
Oh, yeah, yeah.
You ever played D&D?
jack murphy
Oh, yes, back in the day.
ian crossland
Yeah, Vash is a DM.
jack murphy
Oh, never mind.
I hate D&D.
unidentified
Oh!
tim pool
If Antifa likes it.
unidentified
I know.
tim pool
So, Javi J says, when you move your van down by the river, make sure you start a fishing journal.
Need to know what and when they are biting.
Let's see.
jack murphy
There's a lesson in that comment, actually.
I remember the video that you made when you're like, it was literally down in the forest.
You're like, I'm over all this.
I'm going to do this.
I'm going to do that.
If you did actually do that, you may have an uncontrollable urge to express yourself.
It would just be about the environment that you're in.
tim pool
I'd be making a video and I'd be like, everybody today, I was down.
You're not going to believe this.
This is crazy.
There was a fish.
Can you believe these fish and this one fish?
Get out of here.
And then a beaver shows up.
I once saw beavers in Chicago.
It was the craziest thing.
By Lake Michigan.
ian crossland
Oh, really?
tim pool
Yeah, and it's like the lakefront is fake.
It's fake sand and it's concrete.
So I was in an area by, there's like this golf thing and it was concrete and there were just beavers walking along the edge of the concrete.
And I was like, what are those beavers doing here?
I guess they live there.
jack murphy
I spent 20 seconds watching a beaver eat lettuce on Twitter yesterday.
unidentified
Dude.
It was really good.
lydia smith
Excellent use of time.
unidentified
Look it up.
lydia smith
It's high quality.
ian crossland
I'll look it up, man.
unidentified
I can't believe I just admitted that.
lydia smith
I'm glad you did.
tim pool
Johan Oldman says, Tim, you should have Vosh on again, but this time with James Lindsay, too.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah.
jack murphy
Has James been up here?
lydia smith
Someday.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
But I mean, he's a good guy.
jack murphy
Great guy.
He did a spot on my show a while back before the book came out.
lydia smith
Not fair.
jack murphy
Great guy.
lydia smith
First of all, not fair.
unidentified
All right.
jack murphy
I've had some good guests.
tim pool
Brian Barton says, I'm from Eastern PA.
We have always been Trump, except Philly.
There is Trump rallies every week on the Susquehanna Bridge.
Is that how you pronounce it?
In Lancaster.
ian crossland
Susquehanna?
tim pool
I'm sorry, Lancaster.
Is that Lancaster?
lydia smith
Lancaster.
There you go.
jack murphy
The Lehigh Valley has been and will continue to be a key component to Trump's reelection.
It was a key component in 2016.
That's why I went there, interviewed people in there.
Lehigh Valley, we're counting on you.
Get out the vote.
tim pool
This is cool.
Big Megatech says, Hey, Tim, there's a flash game called We Are What We Behold, where you act as the news in a world of circle people and square people.
You play the game by inciting violence between the two factions.
You think reality sometimes parodies fiction.
lydia smith
Interesting.
ian crossland
You sell them the guns and then you... Jack.
You fund the people rebuilding.
tim pool
Acoustic Theory says, cop-chopters.
lydia smith
Cop-chopters!
Yes!
jack murphy
Thank you for that super chat.
Best super chat ever.
Cop-chopters.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
Cop-chopters.
lydia smith
Let's get started.
tim pool
Aaron Freeman says, have you seen the Decade of Health video played on Channel 4 in UK?
Has Bill Gates Foundation in the credits?
It's the Great Reset Agenda 2030 right here.
Really, really creepy.
lydia smith
Interesting.
What's it called?
unidentified
Cool.
tim pool
I'll look it up.
unidentified
Never!
lydia smith
Why would I dye it like this?
ian crossland
That's fair.
tim pool
Aquatic says how often does Jack dye his beard? Never why would I dye it like this?
jack murphy
When did it become that color so one night I woke up and boom it was there I swear to God it happened overnight
I see pictures and it's all red and brown just like the front one day BAM
ian crossland
Dude, that's epic!
tim pool
But wait, like, doesn't the hair have to, like, go somewhere?
jack murphy
I don't know what happened.
It really, it really happened.
tim pool
Did you see a ghost?
jack murphy
Very quickly.
lydia smith
Yes.
jack murphy
And it hasn't progressed at all.
Just stayed just like this.
ian crossland
Something about the consciousness, like the vibration of what we are.
When you're living your honest self, you become, like, really in tune with the matrix and it's, like, creating a physical manifestation of it.
jack murphy
Absolutely what Ian said.
lydia smith
Yes, exactly.
tim pool
Lemon Dropcake says, please invite Laura Loomer.
She has been deplatformed more than any of your past guests.
Thanks for your video about her and her campaign.
This is what I said on Twitter.
And I'm not saying this to be disrespectful, relevant to the current conversation.
So it's like, there's a ton of people I could invite.
You know, people are mentioning some America First people like the Gropers and stuff.
And I'm like, I'm not trying to be disrespectful.
I'm just saying, you know, the people we invite like Enrique Tarrio was because it just came up in the news and we're like, we got to get this guy.
But that being said, I'm not saying no to these people.
Definitely.
I, I think Laura Loomer is particularly relevant right now, uh, especially with her campaign because Donald Trump just voted for her.
jack murphy
I mean, that blew my mind.
I mean, look, I, I met Laura when she had like 1500 followers was working for, for James.
Uh, up in New York at Project Veritas and she was itching to get out there and go big and do things.
And just four years later, massive four years later, she's in the situation where she's so punk rock now, like by hijacking the system that she's got actually has Donald Trump literally voting for her, literally voting for her to go to Congress.
That is incredible.
To be fair, we don't know for sure, but straight Republican.
tim pool
I don't remember the name exactly.
Oh, I don't know about that.
Populism.
So there it is Trump just and if what what county is in was Trump in what district was that?
I don't remember the I don't but it includes Broward doesn't it's not good. It's not gonna go red. Oh, maybe
Maybe populism. Yeah All right, here we go
What is this?
Foxcoon says, Tucker just tweeted, damning Hunter Biden documents suddenly vanish.
lydia smith
That's what I heard.
I haven't, I haven't been able to confirm that.
So I didn't say anything.
Okay, let me see what I can find.
tim pool
Isaac and Baraka says, Jack, good to see you on as always.
Love what you do.
Yesterday's live chat was more annoying than the guest.
As fans, we represent the work of the host.
I learned more about Vosch from his fans than from Vosch himself.
lydia smith
Interesting.
jack murphy
Interesting.
Yeah, you do have a real whole sort of community there in the comments, man.
ian crossland
It was so cool to see Vash's community and your community- Clashing.
Yeah, or like just- Melding.
tim pool
I love it when they were like, he just owned Tim!
Oh, and there's videos popping up from the left Twitter where they're like, Tim Pool destroyed.
And it's like, the weird thing about all that is like, I'm welcoming these people in.
I'm not worried.
I, I, it's like I'm not approaching this like, Oh no, I, I've been defeated.
I'm just like, Oh, whatever.
I'm not smart.
ian crossland
I liked Vosh.
And now I liked Tim.
Like I'd see comments like that.
It was awesome.
tim pool
You know, you know, it is most people, most regular people are just like, I disagree with this guy because people say to me all the time, they're like, Tim, I really disagree with you, but I think you do good work.
jack murphy
So I get that all the time.
lydia smith
So the background on, um, the Tucker thing is that he did just put a bit out.
I don't have a piece of like news for you, but we got a bit from him.
And then if you guys want to go look it up.
Do it.
Check it out.
I'm really curious.
tim pool
Addicted2Drum says, interview Gavin McInnes, Tim.
Let him tell his story.
lydia smith
That'd be fun.
tim pool
Maybe.
Like I said, we try to book the big... So, many people may have realized we have a couple different kinds of shows.
When Jack's here, it's kind of, we hang out and talk.
When Seamus is here, we kind of just hang out and talk.
Like, recurring guests coming and chilling.
And then we have, like, stronger interview guests.
ian crossland
Where, like, you and him talk, you and them talk, or whoever, he or she.
And I sit, I usually sit silent during those.
tim pool
Well, it's kind of just because they get really, really serious and really intense, you know?
So like Enrique Tarrio, you know, he starts saying things and it's like, okay, this is like very, very heavy stuff.
And so we've only done a couple of these, but like the goal is... James O'Keefe was a good one.
Yeah, James O'Keefe, man.
That was great.
That was amazing.
And so, yeah, when we have these like, you know, big players are coming in and they're going to say things that are going to have actual weight on the political world.
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
And here I thought I was the serious one.
You are the serious one!
I'm the serious one!
kind of chill hangout guests who might show up and we just talk and you know do whatever.
So you know we'll see.
jack murphy
And here I thought I was the serious one.
ian crossland
You are the serious one.
jack murphy
You are the serious one.
tim pool
There's, oh here we go.
Take video says Kyle Kalinsky would be a great guest.
Oh yeah.
Definitely.
Definitely.
Kyle would be fantastic.
Kyle's a good dude.
I love, his tweets are funny man.
I don't know if you saw like his tweets during the debates but I can't remember what he said.
It was something about Biden and then he posted that vaporwave meme and says, stab me in the balls with a pencil.
Like that's like the debate was awful.
Kyle's a good dude.
Matt Mitchell says, Tucker Carlson tweeted that a copy of their Hunter Biden documents were mysteriously stolen without a trace while they were in transit to him across the country.
unidentified
It's getting spicy.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
Torin Donowski says, I'm in Philly.
Get out of my city thing is like being at an Eagles game as an opposing fan.
The only response is, F off.
I live here.
You live in South Jersey.
Hysterical fanboy.
ian crossland
That reminds me.
Are you going to leave the city?
jack murphy
I am definitely leaving the city.
I've lived in Washington, D.C.
30 years.
I literally built the city, built buildings, built schools, built institutions.
My kids were born there, went to school there.
My only hometown.
The only tattoo I ever considered was a D.C.
flag.
And now I'm done.
I'm out.
ian crossland
Peace out.
Houses around here.
Hopefully we buy one of them.
jack murphy
Undisclosed combo castle location.
unidentified
Correct.
tim pool
Pauly V says, Tim, did you see the bill introduced in Scotland that talks about hate speech around the table must be prosecuted?
That's pretty crazy.
unidentified
Wait, what?
tim pool
That's creepy.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Grandpa said a racist thing.
Call the police.
Carlos Cruz says the problem isn't the attachment of their ego to a certain framework, but instead their attachment of the idea of an ego.
jack murphy
Hmm.
tim pool
XXXYYY says, Voting for Trump is akin to me being a huge Marilyn Manson fan in the 90s or 2000s.
Listened to Manson's speeches from his concerts.
Same energy.
Same media hatred.
Moral panic.
Deplorables in society.
The right protested me then.
Free speech.
Left protests me now.
That's funny.
Marilyn Manson fans for Trump.
jack murphy
Yep, definitely.
He's a big two-way guy.
lydia smith
He is.
Oh man, we gotta get him on then.
jack murphy
Can I come that day?
lydia smith
Yeah, of course.
jack murphy
All right, sweet.
lydia smith
Yeah, man.
tim pool
Ashley Fuller says, Tim, what do you think of Trump's executive order creating Schedule F in the accepted service?
It really wasn't covered in the media.
unidentified
What is that?
tim pool
Do you know what that is?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
I don't know.
Don't know!
I am uninformed.
jack murphy
Send a link next time.
lydia smith
Yeah, man, come on.
tim pool
Hatteras Rex says, Tim, I live outside of Bexar County, and seeing this here so close to me scares me, but all I can do is share the videos and talk to people.
And the X in Bexar is silent, so it's pronounced bear.
lydia smith
Oh, okay.
tim pool
Bear County.
Thank you for what you do.
That's the James O'Keefe stuff, where the lady's like, I can deliver you votes for... Oh, that is crazy.
unidentified
Yeah, dude.
ian crossland
You did a video on that today, right?
tim pool
Yeah, and yesterday, where she's on the phone and the guy's like, how much, and she's like, $55,000, how many votes will you get me?
And he's like, I want them all, top ticket Hunter, I'm sorry, all top ticket Hagar Biden.
And she's like, 5,000 votes, $55,000.
And then later in the video, this is from Veritas, by the way, the guy's like, so you're getting this 55 grand for 5,000 votes?
She goes, shut up, you're making me paranoid.
And now she's trying to claim I was stinging them!
unidentified
Uh-huh.
tim pool
No you weren't, you got caught.
lydia smith
Give me a break.
tim pool
Good morning, Sunday morning.
unidentified
Oh no.
tim pool
Good morning, Sunday morning says, I know a Philly cop who told me, the mayor and police commissioner told him not to arrest looters tonight.
Oh snap.
I mean, you know, normally I wouldn't be like, confirmed, Super Chat says it, but I believe it.
lydia smith
I do.
jack murphy
I mean, they called in the National Guard allegedly yesterday and they were nowhere to be seen.
They were supposed to be on site today.
Were the National Guard on the streets in Philly?
Good question.
lydia smith
I don't know.
ian crossland
Why would they not be there?
jack murphy
Jack Pensobic seems to think that the governor of Pennsylvania has it out for the people and wants to see the destruction.
Who knows?
lydia smith
Probably correct.
tim pool
Sung Min Bilirgyan says, Hey Tim, love the content, even with Vaush.
Would you be willing to entertain military veterans like Jocko Willink?
Is it Willink?
Tim Kennedy, Matt Best, Evan Hafer, or YouTuber Angry Cops could give different perspective on events.
ian crossland
Well, of course.
tim pool
Tim and Jocko are cool.
These are people who are largely going to agree with and have a good time with, you know?
jack murphy
Definitely.
tim pool
Connor says, I'm 23, mixed race, and voted Trump in 2016.
Lots of my friends from similar backgrounds and age, even younger, are also voting Trump.
Is this demographic and age range really being taken into account, as I've never been polled?
Well, they say young people are all going to be voting for Biden, which is the funniest thing to me.
Imagine being a young person and being like, yo, I'm punk rock!
Go corporations and political establishment!
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
And the old guy.
tim pool
Wow.
ian crossland
Who called Biden the real punk rock?
And it was someone I really respected before that.
It wasn't Seth MacFarlane or Ricky Gervais, but it was someone like I respect on that level.
unidentified
Do you remember when I was on Twitter saying he's the real punk rock?
tim pool
Biden are the stodgy parents from Footloose who are like finally trying to dance and look cool.
Like, nah.
jack murphy
I just watched that again the other day with my kids.
It holds up.
And the soundtrack is bomb.
We'll have to watch it, dude.
tim pool
Kenny Loggins, dude.
jack murphy
You know he did a Top Gun soundtrack, too.
lydia smith
I did, yeah.
tim pool
I did know that.
Has Jack heard Biden's corn pop story?
I can't stop laughing at it.
Thanks for having Jack on again.
I really appreciate all of you.
All you all do here on YouTube.
Thanks.
jack murphy
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Of course.
Of course I have, man.
I have my people, they rub things and then the floats in the water and then they sit on my lap and I don't even know who they are.
You got any more kids?
Where are the kids?
12 trillion.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh.
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
jack murphy
Did you know that 300 billion people died in the last two months?
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
lydia smith
I did.
tim pool
Someone said, Tim, you said Milo was a troublemaker earlier.
I keep hearing people say that, but you can inform me on some specific issues.
It doesn't get to me.
I'm not saying he he's like breaking all the rules and deserving of being banned.
I'm saying he's a mischievous Troll one of the things he did was he changed his Twitter
bio to BuzzFeed reporter or whatever So they took his verification badge away, and then I guess
jack murphy
it wasn't that white the White House I mean, that's a legit move right if you're pretending to
be somebody else and you're verified But wasn't it like he went to the White House press corps,
tim pool
and he was like why did they take away my verification?
He was he was a he was a troublemaker. Yeah But there's nothing inherently wrong with that.
It was just he was a troll.
ian crossland
He did violate their terms.
unidentified
He did, yeah.
ian crossland
As far as I know.
So he has accounts that should have been shut down.
jack murphy
No, the violation was about piling people on to make fun of some actress.
unidentified
Oh, right.
jack murphy
That girl from Ghostbusters or whatever.
ian crossland
Leslie something?
jack murphy
Yeah.
tim pool
Shift W says, Timcast IRL, would you have Nick Fuentes or Styx on your IRL podcast?
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Here's what I can say about this.
Styx, I know and watch a ton of his videos, so it's really easy for me to be like, oh yeah, I know exactly what we talk about.
I don't know enough about Nick.
I would say, on the surface, I see no reason why not.
lydia smith
Yeah, if he's pertinent, man.
tim pool
Yeah, the issue is more so, let me look into Nick and his content.
I know a little bit about him, and I've actually had some people hit me up saying, you should talk to him because there's some BS that they pulled to get him banned.
So, like, we're getting to that point.
ian crossland
He just tweeted out that he wants to come on today.
tim pool
Well, we'll check it out, and so I'll say... Of course he does!
jack murphy
Who doesn't want to come on to Tim Cast's IRL?
unidentified
I would be sure.
ian crossland
I'm surprised anyone would.
tim pool
Here's why I say, you know, I'm not outright just being like, of course, of course, but we've been trying to book Tix for a while, and I don't want to get to the point where everyone's gonna send me a list of, like, why I have to book that person.
Like, well then book this person, then book this person.
It's like, okay.
ian crossland
That's what I do.
tim pool
Somebody reached out to me about Nick, though, and they said that he got banned because they took a clip out of context to accuse him of something.
ian crossland
Man, that's like a rampant thing that's going on.
lydia smith
That's cool.
Yeah.
tim pool
Yep.
lydia smith
I don't like it for anyone.
tim pool
Yep.
I'm not a fan of that.
So yeah, we're looking into a bunch of guests, and I'm down to have some edgy and controversial people.
You know what I mean?
Let's do it.
I don't know who's worse than Adams Jones in terms of the most shocking to the left or whatever.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Oh, let's see what we got here.
Sporkwich says we're still liberals.
The left is not.
ian crossland
That's true.
lydia smith
Big facts.
jack murphy
Now you sound like my 13-year-old son.
lydia smith
Sorry, I'm sounding a little young there.
jack murphy
He's like, big facts, dad.
lydia smith
Big facts.
Come on, man.
tim pool
We got some Venezuelan information.
Little Bear says Venezuela at its peak was doing between 11 and 12 percent of the United States' entire oil income.
After years with Chavez, it dropped down to less than 5 percent.
ian crossland
Oh, wow.
Yeah, Shama's nationalized it.
Aran did that too, which is what caused all that heat.
tim pool
He's a little... He's been to the vet.
Yep.
And what he does is he comes in when he wants or is angry at us because it's like at 10 o'clock we're supposed to give him food and we do the shows late.
He came in at 9.43.
I think he gets too many treats.
ian crossland
I know, that's really rude.
I think he should take his treats away.
tim pool
He's spoiled.
jack murphy
The time change is screwing him up.
lydia smith
He's very spoiled, yeah.
unidentified
By the way, guys, don't forget to set your clocks back this weekend.
ian crossland
Is that happening?
unidentified
Yeah, it is.
ian crossland
Fall back.
tim pool
Wait, when is it happening?
jack murphy
This weekend from Saturday to Sunday.
Fall back one hour.
ian crossland
It's the shortest day of the year.
23 hour day.
tim pool
Oh, I know.
jack murphy
Wow.
tim pool
I don't know if I'm supposed to say anything, but my music video is done.
ian crossland
Oh, when's it going live?
tim pool
I don't know if I'm supposed to say anything yet because there's like a plan for it.
jack murphy
What genre?
tim pool
Alternative rock, I guess.
jack murphy
And you are a?
tim pool
I wrote, sang, and played guitar, and the whole song.
unidentified
Dope!
ian crossland
I have a feeling... I did a harmony track, but I don't think it made the final cut.
tim pool
It's really good.
I'm not gonna pretend like I think... Personally, it's a song I wrote, and I'm like, oh, I like it.
I wrote the song.
ian crossland
It's awesome.
tim pool
Sure.
ian crossland
I haven't heard the new... Like, I have nothing to say.
I haven't heard the mixed version.
jack murphy
Can't wait.
I did not know.
tim pool
The story is great, too.
We did a full animation.
I've played it on the show live before, Will of the People, and it's basically about the cycle of violence in political revolutions that never ends.
And so it's like 99.9% done.
And then we're going to start, you know... Oh yeah, we should look at it after the show.
Yeah, yeah.
It's not completely done, so we're going to get ready for a rollout and it's coming.
It's coming.
jack murphy
There's your next step, dude.
Your new career.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe it gets like 50 billion views and then I'm just like, wow, I don't got to do this politics thing anymore, huh?
And I just buy an infinity pool and live on top of it.
lydia smith
Let's plan, yeah.
Fish in the infinity pool.
tim pool
I was thinking about that today.
Last night when you went barefoot, I was like, oh, that'd be a good video, man.
ian crossland
It was just like eight seconds.
tim pool
Without you holding the camera and skating at the same time.
ian crossland
Last night when you went barefoot, I was like, oh that'd be a good video.
tim pool
Nah, I did a rock to fakie to fakie tail stall.
It was just like 7 year old stuff.
ian crossland
It looked cool from where I was standing.
tim pool
So there's a lot of stuff I need to do, but the ramp is new and I'm trying to get comfortable
on it, but it's so great.
The guys who built it are some of the best.
ian crossland
It's amazing.
We just put the couch up in the lounge.
tim pool
Here's what happens.
It's a mellower transition that I've been skating, so I've been slipping out on my foot plants.
You go up, you grab the board, and then you dive back in real fast, and then I'm not anticipating the transition properly.
I've never been big on doing crazy skate videos.
I did a video where I did a tray flip or something.
You know.
All right, let's see.
What do we got here?
Are we just about ready to wrap up?
unidentified
Gotta be.
It's time.
tim pool
Oh, someone said, Chris Chung says, just a heads up, new Alex Jones on Rogan is down right now.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Is that true?
ian crossland
Oh, that's true.
jack murphy
The files are corrupted and they got lost in transport coming across the country.
lydia smith
What a coincidence.
tim pool
Is it down?
lydia smith
I don't know.
We're gonna look it up.
Yeah, we're gonna look it up after the show.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Ken W. says, yesterday's cast was good.
It's nice to hear different views, but I think it went on too long and difficult to pay attention to pass the usual two hours.
lydia smith
I can see it.
tim pool
Oh, for sure.
Just turn it off.
ian crossland
I think Lydia agrees with you.
She was falling asleep.
lydia smith
I was dying, man.
It was challenging.
ian crossland
That was awesome.
lydia smith
It was really fun, though.
jack murphy
Just turn it off.
ian crossland
I want more four hours.
Well, get ready.
Build that fortitude.
I want to go late.
tim pool
Well, I think I think we're about we're about it.
unidentified
It's 1010.
tim pool
We went a little bit over.
So that's fine.
We got some super chats in.
Jack, I heard you wrote a book.
jack murphy
I wrote a book.
Thank you for asking me about it.
I was wondering, no, Democrats are deplorable.
Why nine million Obama voters ditch the Democrats and embrace Donald Trump on Amazon?
Thank you very much.
Great support from you guys out there.
There's always a nice big pop after I do the show.
Thank you.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
jack murphy
I'm really pushing the YouTube channel right now, Jack Murphy Live.
I've been putting out videos every week.
We've got a good whole new cadre of followers.
Gracias of Tim Cast and Lydia.
Thank you very much.
ian crossland
When do you put new videos up?
jack murphy
You know, I usually do them at noon.
I'm doing an interview tomorrow at noon with the author of a book called War for Eternity, which is a deep discussion about Bannon.
Dougan and Olavo and traditionalism and its impact on the political sort of sphere of the world should be good.
And there's always a liminal order liminal hyphen order.com all men's organization with the three core values of masculinity, brotherhood and sovereignty.
unidentified
Check it out.
jack murphy
Thank you so much.
tim pool
Did you mention your Twitter?
jack murphy
Twitter at Jack Murphy live.
I for today had 66.6 thousand followers for all of about five minutes.
So I was pretty happy we moved through that.
tim pool
Election night is going to be amazing.
jack murphy
Indeed.
tim pool
We're going to have every TV in the house is going to be on with the results live.
We're going to have we are we are cooking Jill Biden's famous chicken parm.
unidentified
I love chicken parm.
tim pool
And is going to be served At some point when I feel like we've got results, we'll see.
ian crossland
No tears allowed.
tim pool
Show December 24th.
I think it's funny though, because if Biden wins, then I'm going to make people eat Joe Biden.
You must eat it.
And if he loses, then we all get to like laugh and eat, you know, his wife's finished.
ian crossland
Make some pizzas.
You bringing anything?
jack murphy
I remember I'm bringing a red hen.
I'm bringing my girlfriend.
And I remember mentioning this to you a couple months ago.
Hey, let's do an election night show.
Yeah, that's a great idea.
And every time I come back, every other Wednesday guys, every time I come back, it's like, oh, this person and this person.
Now you're like catering and cooking.
tim pool
I don't know how many people we're going to have.
Maybe like 10 or 15.
I hope it's not too many.
jack murphy
I don't know.
ian crossland
Ben Stewart will be here.
Shout out to Ben Stewart.
jack murphy
Everybody will be over here fighting over the mics.
lydia smith
It's true.
It's true.
Probably that.
tim pool
But yeah, so we're gonna we're gonna stream and we're gonna leave the table open.
But we're gonna we're gonna change it probably to a single wide shot.
ian crossland
That's a good idea.
tim pool
Yeah, because we're not gonna have a producer running.
ian crossland
Unless we have a bunch of those Elgato's at every station.
That'd be fun for people.
tim pool
I think it'd just be a wide shot.
lydia smith
I'll be making chicken parm.
tim pool
And because because we want people to be able to see the room too.
As, like, people are hanging out and watching and, like, having a beer and, like, eating pizza or whatever.
So we'll probably have, like, a camera in the back showing, like, the three people who are chilling.
And then, it might be funny, you might see, you know, some prominent personality walk up the stairs and you're like, oh, it's so-and-so.
They might tweet, I'm about to go upstairs and go into the studio.
lydia smith
Oh, snap.
tim pool
And then Jack's like, I gotta hit the john, so you can take my seat.
And then people just swap out.
And we're just gonna have the show on TV.
And it'll be a whole lot of fun.
ian crossland
I wanna get some surround sounds set up.
CNN.
tim pool
We can't play the election stuff on this show.
We can have the TV in the background and talk about what we're seeing.
So it's going to be a kind of just open live stream of the party.
ian crossland
It's crazy that the election... Oh, I guess it's private channels, right?
tim pool
I mean, maybe even C-SPAN, they try and get you.
Anyway, we'll be back tomorrow live at 8 p.m.
So make sure you like, subscribe, hit that notification bell.
You can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, Parler, at TimCast.
You can check out my other YouTube channels.
I post, like, all day at YouTube.com slash TimCastNews and YouTube.com slash TimCast.
Don't forget to subscribe.
And you can follow Ian, of course.
ian crossland
Share this video if you like it, and share it if you don't.
lydia smith
I like that.
unidentified
That's right.
lydia smith
I love it.
ian crossland
Yeah, you can follow me anywhere, at Ian Crossland.
Look around, Twitter.
tim pool
And you can also follow Sour Patch Lids.
lydia smith
Sour Patch Lids, I'm over here.
O-I-D-S.
tim pool
That's right.
So smash that like button.
Thanks for the super chats.
Thanks for hanging out.
We'll be back tomorrow at 8pm as I said, and we'll see you all then.
lydia smith
Bye guys.
Export Selection