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Timcast IRL - NY School Sparks OUTRAGE After Comparing Cops To The Klan, Colin Wright Joins
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tim pool
Welcome to the Tim Cast IRL podcast.
I am Tim Poole.
I'm hanging out with some friends today, a special guest.
We're hanging out with Colin Wright.
Do you want to just give a real quick introduction?
How's it going?
Who are you?
unidentified
Why are you here?
colin wright
I'm an ex-evolutionary biologist.
I'm the managing editor for Quillette magazine.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
colin wright
And I'm here to talk about, I guess, cancel culture and sex and gender and whatever.
tim pool
Yeah, schools have gotten woke to an ever-increasingly insane degree.
colin wright
Yes, they have.
Absolutely.
tim pool
And there's a cat just chugging away in front of you.
He's just drinking water.
Special guest.
Yeah, well, you know, he runs the place.
And also, of course, we have Sour Patch Lid.
She's hanging out.
lydia smith
Yes, I'm here.
tim pool
So we have this story.
I thought it was really, really fascinating because I definitely wanted to talk to you because, well, you're an ex-evolutionary biologist.
So I guess you're an expert on biological sex.
colin wright
Well, I technically studied social behavior and insects and arachnids.
tim pool
Ah, okay.
colin wright
But I started talking about biological sex because, one, it's not too much of a difficult subject to get into, especially if you're a biologist.
You kind of, you're pretty familiar with what biological sex is and just seeing how the narrative around sex has just been sort of going, spinning out of control over the last several years.
tim pool
I've heard it doesn't exist.
There's no biological sex.
colin wright
You heard wrong.
tim pool
Well, well, well.
A man on Canadian public access television told Dr. Jordan Peterson that there is no such thing as biological sex.
This is Nicholas Matt, and Nicholas is a historian of medicine.
lydia smith
And can unpack that for us at great length.
tim pool
Why should I trust you?
colin wright
I wish he did unpack that.
I would like to hear him unpack that at length, which he didn't get around to.
tim pool
I know, right?
Well, so we got a bunch of other stories, and actually I want to lead with this one about this New York high school, because they're comparing police to Klan members.
There's also a ton of videos coming out, and I couldn't just pick one of these stories.
So I did a Google search about school and Black Lives Matter, and you can basically find just, I don't know, on the front page of Google, it's just a bunch of stories about all of these schools that are bringing in Black Lives Matter curriculum.
They're not even teaching kids math, they're teaching them social justice.
There's one clip going viral right now that purports to be — I say this is important, purports, because I don't know exactly what's going on — but there's this kid, and the parent, I guess, is filming the computer from the other side, and they're talking about how if Joe Biden dies, Kamala Harris will be the first female president.
And what that has to do with school, I have no idea, and it's also kind of morbid, but perhaps that's what people are really banking on.
But we've got a bunch of other stories, too, so you have a lot to say about transgender athletes and biological sex and all that stuff, and we could definitely talk about, I guess, insect evolutionary biology.
colin wright
We could.
That'd be something I haven't talked on in a while.
No one seemed to care about that ever since.
tim pool
Well, I think it's relevant to the conversation.
I mean, maybe we'll get into some crazy stories about, like, crazy creepy bugs or something.
Sure, why not?
Who knows where we'll go?
But there's a lot to talk about, because it's not just schools.
It's government.
It's schools and government, but also, of course, in culture.
There's a really funny story.
We're going to have fun with this one.
Wimmickson.
Yeah.
You know Womxn?
colin wright
Is that how you pronounce it?
We saw a different pronunciation.
tim pool
No, they want to pronounce it Wimxn.
colin wright
Wimxn.
tim pool
So this is, they've changed the word woman to W-O-M-X-N.
Sorry, that's Wimxn, not Womxn.
That doesn't make sense.
They're not even pronouncing words.
This dude's a bucko the cat is having a good time.
lydia smith
He's all about that, wow.
tim pool
He still wants water.
All right, but let's just jump into the first story and see what's going on in these schools.
Check this out.
From the Daily Mail.
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Now, let's read the story.
Yeah, you got to see the cat's butt.
Daily Mail says, New York High School under fire after teacher handed out
cartoon which compares cops to the KKK and slave owners on first day of class.
And I saw this story and I thought to myself, look at this image.
So first you have what looks like a colonial guy.
He says, I, and then there's a black man on the ground and each and every one, I can't, I can't.
Wait a second, I, I can't, I, I can't breathe.
And then the last one is the cop kneeling on a dude's neck.
And it just does not represent historical context at all.
And so it's just one example of grade school indoctrination.
So let's, we'll read this story and then I'll show you some of the searches, because you can find this at every school basically.
They say a school in Westchester has come under fire after a teacher handed out an image to students about the Black Lives Matter movement.
Comparing modern-day cops to slave owners and the Ku Klux Klan, Westlake High School educator Christopher Moreno gave his 11th graders a handout on September 8th, on the first day of classes.
The handout included a five-frame cartoon panel titled George Floyd.
Each panel showing a white man kneeling on the neck of a black man from different historical periods.
In the first frame, a pirate is shown kneeling on- a pirate?
Is he a pirate?
Kneeling on a black man in chains, having been captured.
I think that's supposed to be just like a colonial slave trader.
I don't know why they call him a pirate.
He probably had governmental authority to do the things he's doing.
Let me go and explain this.
I showed you the picture already.
But yeah, so for those that are listening, it's what looks like a colonial slave trader, followed by a plantation owner, followed by a Klansman, and then just a cop, and there's a sign saying white only, and then finally what looks like supposed to be Chauvin and George Floyd.
They say Westlake mother, Anya Pattern-Nostro, told the New York Post, my daughter showed me the paper.
I said, what is this?
You've got to be kidding me.
The cartoon compares the police to the Klan.
It's an attack on the police.
Pattern-Nostro said that she immediately sent letters protesting the cartoon to Mount Pleasant School District Superintendent Kurt Coates and Westlake Principal Keith Schenker, whose school is in the district.
Enough is enough, Pattern-Nostro said to the Post.
This cartoon is disturbing.
We have to respect the men in blue who protect us, added the mom of two, a native of Poland.
Wow, interesting.
We don't need a teacher brainwashing my kids.
I'll teach my kids about what's right and what's wrong.
Her daughter Nicole said that she was troubled by the cartoon included in Moreno's lessons plan, calling it disgusting for comparing the police to all the terrible people in history.
It wasn't fair.
It wasn't right.
The high school student said she had since been bullied on social media since she made the controversial lesson plan public and has been called a racist.
Oh, wow.
Well, that's it.
Shut her down.
She's a racist, you know?
So she wins.
So she's out.
colin wright
Is there any sense of whether this is part of the curriculum?
Because to me, there should be maybe some sort of stopgap, some process of knowing what belongs in schools.
Or are these teachers just going out and finding cartoons online and just, you know, on Twitter and memes, and they're just putting it in their classroom because I can't see any school board approving something like this.
tim pool
I don't think they have, yeah I don't think it's part of the curriculum.
Although there was a leaked school curriculum that was just basically all social justice activism, was not even teaching kids anything.
I don't know why parents are still putting their kids in these places, man.
colin wright
It's hard to know, yeah, how much it's... if it's in the curriculum, how much the ideology has seeped in where this is just what's being offered by these institutions, or if this is just, like, rogue teachers just bringing their politics in the classroom, or just a marriage of both.
tim pool
It's probably that, but who's gonna speak up against them?
You're not a bigot, are you?
Well, you are, right?
You left academia.
colin wright
I have been accused of that, yeah.
tim pool
You're not, but they say you are because they say that about everybody.
colin wright
I mean, to me, this is the critical race cartoon version of things like the genderbred person and the gender unicorn.
tim pool
Genderbred person?
colin wright
Yeah.
You've probably seen those before.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
colin wright
But it's, again, it's all part of this, like, critical theory assessment of how, how power dynamics are playing in society in different areas.
This is the critical race version of it.
And then you go with the gender, gender studies version, there's like the colonial version of it.
Right, right, right.
And these things manifest themselves in weird cartoons like this that we're teaching our children, apparently.
tim pool
What, would you put your kids in the school?
colin wright
You know, I used to be a pretty strong proponent of public education, and I used to be very much against voucher programs.
And this is mainly because I didn't want students to be, you know, not taught evolution or taught creationism and intelligent design.
But over the last three years, I've done a complete 180.
I'm now 100% vouchers.
I don't think I'd want to send my kids if I ever had to.
tim pool
This is crazy.
It's crazy.
It's totally off subject, but I was just talking about earlier today, I bought a bunch of guns.
Think about how crazy left has gone to where you used to be against the voucher program for school choice.
Beginning of this year, I was like, no guns in my house.
And now, like, a combination of factors has, like, pushed us both, like, just on the other side of these things.
colin wright
I will march for vouchers now.
You will march for... I mean, I have an evolutionary biology background.
I have a PhD in evolutionary biology.
I don't want creationism or intelligent design in schools, but frankly, I'd rather have my students at a private school teaching religious notions of creationism and intelligent design, as long as they're not teaching a lot of this wokeness.
I'd prefer an indoctrination into creationism than into this critical theory nonsense.
tim pool
But why is that?
Do you think critical race theory is more dangerous?
colin wright
I do.
I mean, I used to argue with intelligent design people, and at least they're up for an argument.
At least they're presenting some sort of evidence that I think is bad evidence.
But they're at least willing to engage with you in a public sphere.
They at least think The outside world exists as, you know, we see it to some degree and they'll use certain facts.
I think they'll use bad facts to make a case for themselves.
But then when you talk to these critical theorist people, they don't even think that facts are something that is real.
They think these are all social constructions.
So there's just no... There's no objective truth.
There's no foundation.
We're not starting from the same place to have an argument.
They're starting from a place where knowledge is socially constructed, white, western, everything.
tim pool
This is really interesting.
colin wright
So when I talk to them, it's not just a clash of ideas.
It's a world of views that are diametrically opposed in every single way, trying to figure things out, and they don't translate.
tim pool
But I wonder if it's actually that they have political views, or they're just your enemy.
You know what I mean?
Like, they're emotionally invested in opposing the other.
And so, here's basically what I'm saying.
You go to a creationist, and they'll say, here's why I believe in creation, and they'll try and find evidence to support that.
Because they understand the concept of evidence exists.
Like you said, bad evidence for sure.
colin wright
And at some point, a lot of times they'll get down to, like, well, I just believe it on faith.
But there's some that are sort of... It's in the Bible.
There is a movement of just sort of like a justified faith thing where they try to ground it all in reason and evidence, and I'm happy talking to those people.
tim pool
Well, so here's what I'm trying to say.
If you go to these critical race theory people, they'll say whatever they have to say at any given moment to make it make sense, even if it contradicts what they said ten seconds ago.
colin wright
Exactly, yeah.
tim pool
But that's because- So I'm wondering if it's really about an actual ideology, or if they're kind of making it up as they go along, they're basically just saying, you're a bad guy.
And so no matter what you say, I oppose.
You know what I mean?
Like, they don't actually belie- Like, I'll put it this way.
Like, yes, there are some tenets of what they believe in, but it's only because they've been espoused enough.
But it comes to a point where if you say, okay, well, the evidence doesn't suggest this, and their response is, you believe in evidence?
They're clearly just contrarian.
colin wright
Yeah, well, they're diametrically opposed to, like, stable notions of reality.
And so when you try to drill down on any certain aspect, their main tactic is going to be to just problematize it, to try to just shift the floor out from under your feet.
Problematize.
A lot of their tactics, if you read some of their papers and stuff, they'll take some concept And then they'll deconstruct it into a million pieces.
And then their ultimate conclusion at the end of the day is almost entirely, well, there's not much to conclude here.
It's just, they just, yeah, they just break binaries, break any sort of boundaries, blur the distinctions between borders on any concept.
And that's just sort of their, that's how, that's how it works.
They don't want this stable.
tim pool
Like two plus two is five.
colin wright
That's a good example of, wow, there's so much of this stuff.
It's everywhere.
tim pool
Yeah, it's everything.
It's crazy.
I want to say, because we're definitely gonna talk about Trump banning this stuff in the government, but I want to show you this, because this is a story from just last month.
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U.S.
tim pool
schools are changing their curriculum in response to Black Lives Matter, as survey finds 81% of teachers support the movement.
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81%.
tim pool
Now, I gotta say, if all of the teachers believe this, why should I think you're correct?
colin wright
I'm half kidding, but yeah, it's it needs to be broken down into what is meant by black lives matter and the language
game They play where it can be both a movement an ideology
Statement of of clear fact that black lives do in fact matter and that's why it's one of the best
Slogans I can imagine because no one would be against saying black lives matter as a general statement of what's
true about the value of life But they can change the meaning in any context they want to, to sort of get what they want, get their result.
No one's going to be standing up in a group, you know, in a school setting where they're trying to have... People are going to be voting on whether or not the curriculum gets based on Black Lives Matter or something.
No one's going to be the one guy standing up to say, I'm actually against Black Lives Matter.
Because you'll just be harangued out of the room.
tim pool
Yeah, they'll say, what do you think?
They don't matter?
What's wrong with you?
colin wright
Not a good look.
tim pool
It's a semantic manipulation.
But here's the important factor.
If 81% of teachers agree with the movement, and we have an endless number of schools that have adopted the curriculum, won't it just be that the next generation, these young kids in grade school, are going to grow up indoctrinated into that worldview, and you are going to be a creepy weirdo who doesn't understand reality?
colin wright
I'm sure there's a lot of people saying that right now, that I'm the creepy weirdo.
I try to think, if you have things like intelligent design, what if 81% of teachers were pro that?
We have to have Some notion of what can be taught in schools that can't just be based on, do most teachers believe in this thing?
You need to have something that's based in evidence, something that's factually able to be argued from first principles like evolutionary biology over creationism, intelligent design.
And what we're getting here with the Black Lives Matter critical race theory that's being put in there is people are bringing their politics to the table, and they're asserting that this is the only way we can deal with racial issues.
They reject the sort of liberal approach to race.
And just because people believe in it, it seems to just be steamrolling ahead.
tim pool
Did you hear about that group of people who want to create a black-only city?
colin wright
I did, yeah.
Also, the Michigan State University, they have the two... UM-Dearborn.
Is that what that is?
Yeah.
tim pool
Where they did the white-only thing?
colin wright
Yeah.
The white-only... Was it a cafe?
tim pool
Yeah, but it was like a virtual hangout session they called a cafe, which is really weird.
colin wright
Oh, it was virtual?
tim pool
I didn't even know it was virtual.
Yeah, it was a remote... It's even stranger.
It's still really weird.
You're gonna be like, you know, we're gonna put out a link, come hang out in this Zoom chat if you're white.
That's the logical conclusion to what these schools are promoting.
It's crazy.
I was talking to a friend about a lot of this stuff.
who used to be a normal liberal and now is like... I hate to say it, but I'm like, it's hardcore identitarianism.
This is a white woman telling all of her white friends to form a collective, to take collective racial action for the betterment of the poor minorities who are underprivileged.
And I'm like, dude, you're asserting superiority over this group in some capacity, and you're pushing for white racial collective action?
Can you look in a mirror for two seconds?
What would you call that?
colin wright
Sounds like racism.
tim pool
With extra steps.
colin wright
I just don't see how an intense focus on making race the most important issue is some way going to make race less important or make race go away.
tim pool
I don't think that's their plan.
colin wright
What do you think their plan is?
tim pool
Well, I will say, seeing schools adopt all this stuff, seeing schools call cops, like, clan members and slave owners, how absolutely psychotic is that?
Slave trader?
Very, very different from a guy who's trying to stop a mugger from, like, beating the crap out of a woman, you know what I mean?
Not like they always can do that, but they respond to crimes, and they file reports, and they help arrest people, lock people up.
They do a lot of things I don't like, recently with COVID, a lot of unconstitutional law, and they just kind of follow the order.
But you can call the cops and be like, someone broke into my house, and the cops will rush there.
I had someone trying to break in here.
I called the cops.
They came and said, you know, we got you.
Whatever you need, man.
We got your back.
I'm like, man, so grateful these guys are here.
So dramatically different from a Klan member.
And so these schools are... It seems like...
There's two visible outcomes that are coming from this.
The first is, they want to destroy our institutions.
So first, you take all these bad things from history, slave owners, clan members, and then align them with police.
A lot of these Black Lives Matter activists are going around saying, like, police are hunting us.
No, that's like paranoia, that's not happening.
And they claim it is.
And then you get these well-to-do liberals who are pushing the stuff saying, look, look, they are because they said so, because their lived experience is more important than empirical evidence, which they don't believe exists anyway.
The end result of changing the definitions of words, changing the pronunciation of words like Wimixin to Wiminks, Like, that's not even how the letter... Spell it W-O-M-N-X.
and we'll talk about women's...
Women's?
I don't know.
It's spelled...
It's kind of like a game.
Anyway, but they're just basically deconstructing everything, like you were saying this, right?
They take everything, they strip it for parts, and then they leave the parts laying on the
ground.
They're not rebuilding anything.
So in the end, what happens?
The schools teach kids a bunch of nonsense.
The kids grow up and have no idea how to function, because instead of learning math, they learned
police are bad.
So that's one outcome.
I don't know if their intention is to do that, or if their goal is to break everything down and then once it's completely destroyed, create their socialist, you know, Marxist utopia or whatever it is they think.
colin wright
I think that's the second one is what I think they're mainly doing, because they need the institutions.
tim pool
They don't want to, well, they want to destroy them as we know them, but they want to use them as sort of their recruitment ground and their rhetorical They want to wear the institutions like skin suits after they latch onto the neck of the institution and suck the moist juicy innards of the creature out and then parasitically take over.
It's like Men in Black, you know?
colin wright
I think it was like Eric Weinstein that talked about them being sort of hermit crabs and we have all these different institutions and they have different shells and we see that the shells remain intact.
tim pool
And then some at some point all the crabs that used to inhabit them left and now there's these new crabs in the masquerading around as the New York Times as right you know whatever you want they still have this prestige of having those shells but I like I like you like yours I like mine better, you know, the Vincent D'Onofrio from Men in Black, you know, the giant centipede alien goes inside his skin and then he's like jerking around all like... I like that better because the jerky, like, broken motions represent what these institutions are becoming.
colin wright
You can see that they're zombies of what they used to be.
tim pool
Yeah, for sure.
Well, uh, so, so, yeah, yeah.
If you, if you were to say that, like, like, uh, I think what you said, Eric Weinstein was saying that they're shells.
Well, that's assuming they're still moving around like regular hermit crabs, but they're not.
They're, they're grotesque, weird bugs that are wearing the skin and, like, lurching around, and they don't speak proper English, right?
So, when you see the guy Edgar in Men in Black, and she's like, Edgar, and he's like, sugar water!
You're like, that's not a normal human thing to ask for!
lydia smith
Interesting.
tim pool
So when these institutions are... Womynx.
Yeah, womynx.
lydia smith
Yeah, they're not speaking the same language anymore.
tim pool
Or the other thing is, like, there was a curriculum leak, and I talked about this before, where it asked a math question, but instead of being something about, like, the farmer has, you know, a dozen apples, how many apples do you take away, blah, blah, blah, it was like, the police stop, you know, 1,300 black people, and they only stop, you know, 246 white people.
What percentage of, you know, the stops are black people?
And it's like they're injecting this racialized worldview.
So anyway, here's the other thing, I think.
Like, the first one is maybe they're, like, destroying the system, or the outcome is going to be a destroyed system.
Maybe they'll rebuild it.
Not that they would destroy the institutions.
It's the innards that are getting ripped to shreds.
Like, the core structure, and then they're occupying it like some kind of parasitic alien.
The other thing is, also in that vein, it's about what their goal is.
Is it Marxism?
Or is it overt Balkanization, racial segregation, and white supremacy?
colin wright
That's a good question.
I think it's... They're just trying to blur the boundaries between things so they can sort of assert what they want to assert at any given moment.
It's... It sounds nuts, but... I mean, it is nuts.
That's kind of where they're going.
tim pool
So, like, they just want to permanently be able to control whatever they want by making up random BS?
colin wright
Well, when they look at the way society is structured, their worldview inherently puts power dynamics in everything and so they want to just blur these distinctions because every time there's a category that's made, it's not just a category, it's been made by someone in power to oppress some other person or idea or You know, some group of peoples being oppressed.
And so they just want to disrupt all of these categories.
All the categories need to be blurred.
They need to be broken apart.
tim pool
But why create racial segregation?
That's the other outcome I'm looking at.
If they're saying that University of Michigan-Dearborn is going to do a white-only cafe event, and then they later apologize.
I'm sorry, it was non-POC only, which means white only.
And they were like, no, no, everyone was welcome, but it was for non-POC to share their non-POC feelings about how their non-POC community is being impacted.
Are there, like, Nazis running this with, like, a wink-wink and a nudge-nudge to their Nazi friends, tricking the left into adopting these things?
So then we see there's a group of black people who got a sponsor, they're buying up land in, I believe it's in Georgia, near Macomb, I think it's pronounced, and they want to create a town called Freedom that is what they describe as pro-black, which for the most part is black only, but they say white people can apply to live there if they're pro-black.
colin wright
Rejected.
tim pool
Well, so, look, I was reading the story.
Actually, I find it kind of funny, because I'm like, I can respect the pioneer attitude.
We're gonna go make our own city?
I'm like, that's awesome.
You know, we don't have anybody doing that anymore.
Go do it.
But to, like, racially segregate?
I don't know about that, man.
colin wright
If you found, you know, a country like the U.S.
on freedom from religion and good values like that, like, that's, you know, go for it.
But if your foundation is racial segregation, I mean, they're literally creating an ethno-state and that's for some reason... That's not legal, is it?
I can't imagine how it would be legal, but the thing is, who's gonna step up and say, you can't do this because they'll be called... I'm gonna get all political, like, if Joe Biden wins...
tim pool
Right, right, so Donald Trump bans critical race theory, right?
And that's, that's the, so I guess, I guess the easy way to explain it is like, you could argue that there's, what is that, critical gender theory?
colin wright
Gender studies, colonial, post-colonial theory.
tim pool
One of them is critical race theory, like these are the core tenets of the far-left woke cult or whatever.
colin wright
Gender studies, fan studies.
tim pool
Trump bans critical race theory.
And that is a major... Some people have said, what, like a shot across the bow?
Like, letting him know?
No.
No way!
He straight up took a push broom and shoved him right up the building.
And they got really mad about it.
The worst part was when, like, CNN, for instance, defended critical race theory and white privilege training without actually knowing what any of it was.
colin wright
Yeah, I mean, you're seeing the way they talk about it shift in real time, because critical race theory is sort of this obscure thing.
Nobody knows what it is.
I think if you probably look up critical race theory, people have just been googling it nonstop now.
But they're trying to reframe it as, like, no, this is just racial sensitivity training.
tim pool
Right.
colin wright
You know, this is diversity training.
It's not the same thing.
It's not a liberal approach towards racial issues whatsoever.
It sees race in everything.
I mean, Robin DiAngelo specifically said things like, it's not a question of whether race is taking place here.
There's a racial issue.
It's what is, what is the racial component in there?
tim pool
So it's just like, he's a Nazi.
colin wright
It's this nitpicking with every situation where you're just going to start seeing these phantoms of racism everywhere because You're told they're everywhere if you just squint hard enough and do the amount of rhetorical work.
tim pool
So that's why I feel like one of their goals might be that, listen, if you were a neo-Nazi, but a smart one, you know, and trying to figure out how to implement racial segregation, this is exactly what you would do.
There's no other way to do it.
You come out waving a Nazi flag, people are going to be like, get out, and they're going to beat you up.
There was that guy in, I think, Portland walking around wearing a Nazi armband.
He got punched in the face.
Yeah, like they're not going to let you do it.
colin wright
If you see the list of what they have is what they consider to be white and Western includes things like rationality, you know, hard logic.
And I'm going down this list and it's like, who else would agree with everything on this list that is inherently white?
probably every white supremacist knows that white supremacists are nodding their head feeling yes rational thought is an inherently white thing hard work it's hard work like preparing for the future yeah preparing for the future this is this is for them to take that and insist that this is somehow white and western i can't even imagine a more racist narrative that is gonna one keep black people from probably wanting to participate in in stem in the first place if they're taught that Going in the academy, going to academia is, you know, the master's house.
And I've seen flyers that have talked about academia as being the master's house and we're going to give you tools to survive your time in the master's house.
What are the chances that someone who wants to be, a black guy who wants to be a scientist, and they're getting a flyer from one of these critical race theory meetings, and it just says, here's how to survive at the master's house.
Are you going to want to go into STEM if it's portrayed as a battleground?
If you're thinking like, oh, they're literally calling it going on the plantation.
Maybe I shouldn't go into STEM because this is how it's being portrayed.
tim pool
Or the threats that black conservatives get, the insults, the cancel culture.
Kanye West was speaking wearing his body armor.
And he's crying, talking about, you know, being pro-life, and his daughter, and abortion, and all that stuff.
And they attack him in the media, saying he's unwell, and I'm like, dude, imagine, how old is that guy?
Do you know how old Kanye is?
lydia smith
He's like 38 or something.
tim pool
38.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
38 or so years, you go through your entire life being told you're not allowed to say what you believe is true, or else.
And finally, this dude gets the courage to go up and start saying all these things, and he starts crying, and they attack him for it.
Oh, he's 43.
He's 43?
I'm not surprised he's crying.
He's like, all of these things he's always wanted to say but they were like, don't say this or else.
And that's what they're trying to create.
So I bring this up specifically because I'm wondering how it is that this is like, this weird ideology among the left has creeped in where acting quote-unquote white is like a horrible thing you can't do, it's a slight against humanity.
And then they go around claiming that all of these positive traits which exist in like almost every other culture are only white people.
colin wright
Yeah.
I mean, you get people like Nicole Hannah-Jones that come out and they criticize people like Kanye on the basis that there's this difference here between being someone who happens to be black and someone who's politically black.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
colin wright
So Kanye isn't even considered capital B Black.
He's lowercase B Black, but he's not capital B Black.
And if you look at all the BLM flyers they put out, black is always capitalized.
And that is just the dead giveaway that they're talking about politically black and not black as the color of your skin.
lydia smith
Wow, that's amazing.
tim pool
I think it's funny that people were bringing up BIPOC, Black, Indigenous, and People of Color.
And this is what I was told, and you can let me know if you agree or not, that they created this term specifically to remove Asians, because Asians are considered privileged.
colin wright
I actually thought about that, but yeah.
tim pool
Have you seen the book, In Defense of Looting?
colin wright
I've seen the cover, and I've seen some articles written about it.
tim pool
Apparently, there's a passage, and this was going on, I think, was it Carlin who tweeted about this?
lydia smith
Possibly, yeah.
tim pool
That it said that Jews and Asians are the, like, the face of capital or something like that?
Oh, wow, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so, I gotta say, man, when you put out a book called In Defense of Looting, it's written by a white person defending the looting that is destroying the black community, and you have in it a direct attack on Jews.
I gotta wonder.
Dude, I really do think there's probably a bunch of white supremacists and white nationalists who have backed away from Trump specifically because they're like, whoa, these people over here are giving us what we want.
colin wright
They're the real anti-Semites on this side.
tim pool
Yeah, do you know Sargon of Akkad?
colin wright
Yeah.
tim pool
He did, uh, Carl Benjamin.
A long time ago, he says, a long time ago, he said that the SJWs and the alt-right were like, they completely agree with each other.
Now, they disagree on, like, positive and, whether it's positive or negative, the different things, like, you might have the alt-right being racist, you might have the far-left being racist in a kind of different way.
I guess they only disagree on whether or not white people are good or bad.
But they agree on literally everything else.
He was like, they should work together.
Because then the far left is saying, you know, white people don't come here, go your own space.
And the alt-right's saying they want that too.
That's why I wonder if, like, the end goal of the critical race theory stuff is going to be racial segregation.
colin wright
I mean, it's already happening.
You're getting this type of segregation going on.
unidentified
Right.
colin wright
I mean, you get the Richard Spencers of the world, and he wants, you know, a white ethnostate.
He might not even have to take steps to achieve what he wants.
He can just sit back and watch the critical race theorists make their own ethnostate and just absent themselves in a day of absence or, you know, eternity of absence or something.
tim pool
Have you seen the Onion article that was like, Al-Qaeda sits back and watches as America collapses?
You know, like, that could be it.
Where did the alt-right go?
They were so prominent and now they're gone.
Yeah, they're kicking back on the couch being like, we don't got to do anything.
In fact, speaking out was bad.
Let them do it.
And there you go.
colin wright
And they're going to do it way more effectively because somehow this is underneath the radar and no one's standing up for it because it's just using the right words.
tim pool
Yeah, it's crazy.
I covered a bunch of the riots, Ferguson, you know, Baltimore, just all over the country.
And they had, at many of these places, black-only rooms.
During Occupy Wall Street, they had, like, meeting groups they called caucuses that had voting power, and they were based on race.
So you had working groups based on like, if you do work, but then you had the racial component.
So they quite literally created a system where they were like, all of the Asian people come together, and then they get to vote because they're Asian.
And all of the black people and all of the, you know, Hispanic people.
There wasn't one for white people though, but that was supposed to be progressive and I was like, why are they segregating everybody?
colin wright
I wasn't aware that was a component of Occupy.
I know that was like a Chaz Chop thing.
They had a whole area where the only black people were allowed and they had white people guarding, acting as bouncers for this area.
tim pool
Yeah, Occupy Wall Street was my first time encountering the, I guess, what we would call now Critical Race Theory.
I just called it, like, woke progressivism.
colin wright
I was involved in that too, because I was at UC Davis as an undergrad where they had that pepper spray incident.
Yeah, you were there?
That was right when I was walking to my other class.
Whoa!
tim pool
The famous photo!
colin wright
I was there during the whole Katehi walkout and everything.
tim pool
And you were firmly on the left, weren't you?
colin wright
I was.
Well, I still consider myself on the left, but... But now you're an avowed fascist?
tim pool
I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
colin wright
According to some people, I'm not.
I get a lot of people that are trying to recruit me over to the right, but I don't even know what it means anymore, so I'm just going to believe what I believe and support what I support.
I don't either, but... However people want to classify me, they're free to.
tim pool
Yeah.
It's kind of crazy.
I mentioned it earlier how we both had very left positions a long time ago, but now we've been basically like, I'm gonna go over here because y'all are getting crazy.
Yeah.
We're gonna burn the building down.
They're riding in the streets.
This is the craziest thing to me.
Joe Biden came out, what, 12 hours, what, like, no, like 16, 17 hours ago saying, you know, basically ban assault weapons and high capacity magazines.
And I'm like, why would he say that at a time when mass rioting, like race riots are sweeping across the country and gun sales are through the roof, ammo is gone.
And Joe Biden's like, all you people who just went out for the first time, bought a weapon because you're scared.
I'm taking your guns.
colin wright
It's not good messaging, especially now.
tim pool
Yeah, what do you think about guns?
colin wright
I'm pro-gun.
tim pool
Were you always pro-gun?
colin wright
Yeah.
I mean, my family had grown up, we have guns in our house, but I'm sort of for the universal background checks and everything that's needed.
I don't think you should just be able to walk in to a Walmart and walk out, you know, with one.
Although I do hear it's not quite that easy because some people tried to do that and just to like prove the system of how easy it was to get a gun and then they realized like, no, I actually have to come back later and get one.
So I don't know how, I know different states differ on their laws, but I do think you should maybe go through some sort of safety training before you can, And remarkably, Joe Biden's campaign, Kamala Harris, supporting the rioters with bailing them out, and then saying, we're going to take your guns away at a time when the left is calling for defunding the police.
tim pool
Now, Joe Biden can say he's not for that.
But Black Lives Matter has defunded the police as a core mission statement, and he certainly supports them.
colin wright
And didn't you have that couple that was outside of their house with the guns guarding their place?
tim pool
Oh yeah, felony charges.
colin wright
Didn't their guns get confiscated?
tim pool
Yeah, they want you to be defenseless.
It's so hilarious to hear the words come out of my mouth.
I just think back to the conservatives ten years ago.
The liberals hate America!
They want you to be defenseless!
And now, here I am like, these crazy leftists hate this country and they're taking my guns!
I'm like, wow, how did they do that to me?
It's remarkable.
No, for real, I remember when I was younger and I was thinking about politics and I was like, I gotta remember where my grounding is and what I believe in.
And that was like, I was watching a lot of freedom stuff, like libertarian stuff on the internet, talking about what the Constitution was supposed to do and where we've gone.
And it was like, like Ron Paul, the Ron Paul era online was huge.
And so I didn't agree with Ron Paul on a lot of issues because he was very religious and conservative in some respects.
But from, from a liberty standpoint, I was like, yeah, freedom.
You let me look, you know, let me do my thing.
And so I was, but I was fairly liberal.
And here I am today being like, You know, I lived in Miami, and we had someone break onto the property.
And I only had an air rifle.
You know, just a break barrel.
Break it, and you can fire a pellet.
And I was like, I didn't feel like, you know, dealing with getting a gun or wanting to deal with any of that stuff, so I didn't get it, even after someone broke into my property.
Widespread rioting?
Nationwide racialized riots is probably the better way to put it.
I don't think they're race riots because it's white, you know, woke progressives that are doing most of the destruction or whatever.
But, I'm not gonna sit around and wait to find out.
colin wright
Well, especially because you see a lot of them now moving into residential neighborhoods.
And I saw videos of people climbing on the roofs of houses just in, in, you know, residential areas, upper class neighborhoods.
People are going to get shot.
Like it's just, it's going to happen at some people got shot.
Is that something recently happened?
tim pool
No, I'm just like Kenosha.
colin wright
Well, yeah, that was in like the street violence I'm talking about in, in neighborhoods.
Now people are going to start knocking on doors and I don't think they're going to knock.
Yeah, probably not.
tim pool
I think they're gonna be like, this is where the bigot lives, and they're gonna kick the door in.
Well, you look at what happened to Mayor Ted Wheeler, his condo.
You saw that?
They smashed up the first floor through flaming debris or whatever on the first floor.
And fortunately, that was like commercial at the bottom.
But it's only a matter of time, in my opinion, before they go to like residential homes.
And it's the craziest thing because I think all of the violence and destruction plays into the idea I was saying earlier about this critical race theory, and how its only real goal is the complete destruction of the system, I guess.
lydia smith
I think that all they want is power.
I literally think that's all they want.
And I think it's a case of the dog chasing the car and not knowing what he'd do if he caught it.
Because I think they want power, they think they have...
They have this idea of utopia and they're like, well, we'll just get in charge and everything will be perfect.
And they have no idea.
Like, I think that's that power because it's their end goal.
They're not actually thinking any further and all they want is just to get there.
colin wright
Well, they make this, they make this error that they think the power exists in every single sentence, every single enunciation, any discourse that you have, which I would say is not the case.
You're not always inflicting power on people by the way you speak.
lydia smith
Right.
colin wright
And so since they think that this is just the way reality is, then they just say, okay, everyone else is using these power games.
We're going to use these power games too.
And then they just double down on it 100%.
And now they're doing the thing that they're accusing everyone of doing that's bad.
And it's like, no, you're actually the only one that's doing this.
No one else is doing this.
I mean, there's some people probably doing these power games, but not as like a tenant of their, their whole politics is based on it.
tim pool
Well, let's talk about gender.
Cause, uh, you, uh, you studied insects, I guess, right?
colin wright
I did.
tim pool
Insect evolutionary biology.
colin wright
Social behavior, animal personality.
Yeah.
tim pool
Did that include studying the like behavior of the different sexes and like mating rituals and stuff?
colin wright
Not so much.
So I studied social spiders mainly for my dissertation and their colonies were almost entirely female.
There's like a 10 to one male to female ratio.
tim pool
So anyway, you have a PhD, right?
colin wright
Yeah.
tim pool
Okay, we'll just ignore everything else and we'll just say, PhD from now on, everything you say is academic, boom, expert.
We'll just... He's got a PhD, therefore listen to what he has to say.
lydia smith
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
But no, no, I think we can talk about the gender thing too, because now it's not just about race.
They do the exact same thing to gender.
They've taken the word gender and they've beaten it to a point where it's unrecognizable, and I don't even know what they're trying to say anymore.
Because at first they said that gender and sex are different things.
You know, sex is biology, but gender is social construct.
Now they're saying there's no biological sex.
I mean, they've been saying that for years, but you know, that's where we've gotten.
colin wright
Yeah.
I mean, those are like the second wave feminists who were, they wanted to deconstruct gender as like the social construction that keeps males and females.
Playing these certain roles in society, but they definitely wanted to keep a very strong notion of biological sex because sex was the The object it was the physical entity that people are identified that you can use that to then discriminate people you know people are discriminated against because of the perceived sex that they are and this was something that I You know, the second wave feminists we're very aware of, but now we see this like third wave intersectional feminism where they're blurring the boundaries between sex and gender, they're the same thing or they're different depending on the context and how they want to win an argument.
Right.
And they've completely de-centered biological sex from the talk of women's rights, so now we can't even talk about the ...actual basis of the oppression of certain individuals based on their sex, because now it's just a state of mind.
But, you know, for all you know, I could be genderfluid.
I could be going back and forth between male and female in my mind.
tim pool
Well, in the first segment you were a dude, then you were a woman, now you're back to being a dude again.
colin wright
I mean, I just switched again.
But there's nothing that changes physically about me.
You can't see it.
And so the idea that we can actually, that we should be centering a state of your mind of how you feel about yourself in relation to your body as the object of oppression just makes absolutely no sense.
tim pool
I think you said something.
They want to win an argument.
It's almost like they're toddlers, you know?
Like their mental maturity is that of a seven-year-old who's like, nuh-uh, you're dumb.
No, I'm smart.
That's racist.
Nuh-uh, you're not allowed to say it.
Uh-uh.
colin wright
Yeah, that's how it manifests itself.
It's very, I mean, they have so much snark in their arguments.
It's just they get brownie points for how snarky they are.
But it also boils down to sort of this, what would I call it?
Gender, critical theory, mainly queer theory is what they're using to just try to blur the boundaries between male and female.
Because again, you can kind of keep going back and you see these certain themes, they think that there's power dynamics just by the fact that you're categorizing things.
Male and female, are these real entities?
Well, no, this is just a, you know, white western notion of how, you know, people try to oppress certain groups by maintaining these binaries and forcing people into them.
So that's sort of where we are right now in terms of third wave feminism and gender and sex.
tim pool
I think we may be reaching a point where I don't know if the critical gender theory people can actually pass this.
And it is, you think they'll be able to just keep going and doing whatever they want or?
colin wright
I don't think so.
Because it's one of those things, I mean I've said it before that this is one of the last tests for reality.
It's like reality's last stand in a way.
If we can convince a large swath of America or humanity that there's no such thing as male and female, then you can just roll ahead and get anything you want in there.
Because it's one of the most things that I think, well, luckily almost everyone who's not super woke leftist realizes that male and female are different.
Almost everyone on the right is going to acknowledge the fact that males and females are real and different.
Probably most people on the left as well, especially in the realm of sports.
I think that's where it's gonna really show.
tim pool
I don't know, man.
I look at, like, the younger generation and there's, like, a left-wing meme that mocks the right's 5th grade, 20-year-old understanding of biology.
And the angle they're taking is science is supposed to change because we learn more.
And we heard it from Bill Nye on Netflix.
We learned a whole lot now.
It's a spectrum.
There's not male and female.
It's like male, female, male.
You know, just like weird gradient between the two, huh?
I was going to say, I think we're reaching a point where there's going to be systems in place that are going to be very difficult to overcome.
So, one example, Wikipedia.
Wikipedia is a structure.
It functions in a specific way.
You can't use many of these broken definitions, because you need to be able to say, word means this, and link to another word, and it has to be a... It's basically like you're looking at an actual structure of a building.
You can't just randomly place things, the building won't stand.
If the building is already there, you can't move blocks out.
So I'll give you an example.
This is the Wikipedia page for woman.
A woman is an adult female human.
End of story.
What's a female?
Well, female is specifically defined as, it is the sex of an organism or part of an organism that produces non-mobile ova, egg cells.
Barring rare medical conditions, most female mammals, including humans, have two X chromosomes.
So Wikipedia, you can't just go in.
Look, they even locked the page.
Isn't this crazy?
It's semi-protected, probably because people... I'm sure it's getting bombarded.
Yep, trying to change it.
Here's the problem.
Ask any one of these critical gender theorists, what's a defined woman?
colin wright
Oh, they can't do it.
tim pool
Right, because woman is adult human female.
What would they say it is?
colin wright
They would say a woman is anyone who lives and identifies as a woman.
And then when you drill down on that, well, how does a woman live and identify?
Well, then they just get into certain stereotypes of masculinity and femininity, even though they'll insist that it's not based on stereotypes.
Whenever you drill down on saying, like, what does it mean to live as one?
What does it mean to identify as one?
Or express yourself as one?
It boils down to stereotypes.
Progressive, conservative stereotypes.
It's backwards.
tim pool
Interesting, right?
This is why I think a lot of... So a lot of what we see... I was reading about rapid-onset gender dysphoria.
You're familiar with this?
Oh, yeah.
And there was one study I was reading.
I think it got polled, actually.
I'm not sure.
colin wright
Lisa Littman's paper?
tim pool
I don't know which one, but they said 85% of trans children are female-to-male.
Did you read that?
colin wright
Yeah.
tim pool
Is this just, I'm gonna say it, internalized misogyny?
Because here's what I gotta say.
They talk about stereotypes, right?
That, you know, a woman can look wherever she wants, right?
Some women have facial hair.
It just happens and they're still women, right?
And so you have a bunch of young women who are calling themselves male names, dressing in male stereotypical ways, almost like a caricature of a man.
And I wonder if they just hate women and they hate womanhood.
And it's not about being trans or non-binary.
It's about literally just hating femininity and loving masculinity.
colin wright
I think there's some of that.
I mean, if you're going to define gender identity, ultimately boils down to differences in stereotypes.
Then you get to this point where you have children growing up.
They're told these ideas that being a man or woman or even male or female, because these are the same thing now.
Uh, is based on gender stereotypes.
Now you got, you get a tomboy who has more male typical behaviors, like to hang out with boys, like rough and tumble play, all that stuff.
Now suddenly they're questioning their gender identity.
Now suddenly they're like, well, I'm, I have these, I'm more stereotypically male on my behaviors.
And then some of this gender theory tells them that you might be a boy.
tim pool
Quite a lot.
I mean, nowadays they're saying you are.
colin wright
Yeah, you are.
Or at least you're highly suspect.
So you get a lot of lesbians who also are very much correlated with gender atypical behavior, more male-like behavior.
And so you're basically getting the situation where you have a lot of young lesbians showing up to these gender clinics that are saying that, I think I'm a boy because I have, and they list all these Male typical behaviors and then in some states you can just, you know, you can get your puberty blockers or your hormones right across the, right over the counter.
tim pool
So the Wikipedia thing is really interesting to me because right now there's a debate, right?
They say, well, you call it whatever you want.
Trans women are women, right?
That's what the left says.
Not according to Wikipedia.
According to Wikipedia, because you have to have clear definitions of what both of those things are.
So when you're talking about someone who is assigned male at birth and then identifies as female and undergoes transition, that is classified on Wikipedia as trans woman.
So if you ask these people, they'll say, no, that's a woman.
I'm sorry.
Woman is defined on Wikipedia as an adult human female, meaning they produce, barring rare medical conditions.
colin wright
I'm actually shocked that Wikipedia hasn't been corrupted.
I would expect that.
tim pool
I don't think it can.
That's the problem.
That's where I think the wall is being hit.
Because you can't have one word linked to two articles.
So how does the system function?
colin wright
Logical consistency is not their strong suit.
tim pool
Exactly.
colin wright
I imagine they might not care at some point.
tim pool
Well, no, that's not the issue.
The issue is, Wikipedia is a digital structure.
Logical consistency is mandatory for its function, to a certain degree.
They could probably create a hybrid article and say, a woman is anyone who claims to be a woman, but then what's female?
They have to address the idea of male and female, but they're already arguing it doesn't exist.
How will that impact plants and insects, for instance?
We were talking about this before the show, the anglerfish.
Right?
So, I didn't realize it was the angler.
They're the ones with the weird little doodads on their heads.
That's so funny.
They have, like, lights on their faces or whatever.
That's cool.
So, basically, the female is massive and nasty looking.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And the male is a little nasty looking thing.
And it latches to the female.
colin wright
Bites them.
tim pool
And then just becomes a permanent attachment to the female.
unidentified
So weird.
tim pool
And then just deposits, you know, sperm and stuff into the female.
colin wright
Constantly.
tim pool
Constantly.
Okay, so when you see that biological sex literally exists in nature very obviously, so there's a clash then on personal identity.
If they try and go into Wikipedia and change female and male, because they want to get rid of it, that would shatter the systems already created around our mapping of biology.
It can't.
Humanity is tied to the animal kingdom.
You can't just claim male and female don't exist because we can see it expressed in ridiculous ways across the animal kingdom.
I mean, cardinals, for instance, you have the bright red cardinal and then the little tinted red female.
lydia smith
All birds are like that.
unidentified
Yeah.
colin wright
Yeah, you have this conflation among the activists where they try to look at... they conflate sexual dimorphism, which is, you know, different features that males and females have, with sex itself.
Okay, so if you were to look at something like the genderbred person that they have... What is the genderbred person?
It's this...
poster that they have in certain schools I've heard that it's even being used in some college courses on in gender studies where it lists basically it has this gender bread gingerbread gingerbread person and then it labels it highlights different areas on the on the body like it'll be like gender and it'll have in their head like how you identify Then it has a little box that says biological sex and it's pointing to, you know, the crotch of the genderbred person.
And in that crotch area, where it breaks down biological sex, it will list things like voice pitch, body hair, things like that.
Well, these have nothing actually to do with what sex you are.
So the biggest conflation is conflating primary sexual characteristics with secondary ones.
They'll try to say that if you are an individual and you have a beard and you have, you know, more upper body strength and you have a deep voice, they're trying to say that you're actually more male if you have those traits, even if you're biologically a female.
So I try to use... I use an analogy that it's like... it's like bikers and cyclists, okay?
Like, if you define a biker as someone who rides a motorcycle and a cyclist as someone who rides a bicycle, These are two different types of vehicles, okay?
They're very different.
One's motorized, has gas, one's you pedal.
But then you can also say, well, what are the secondary traits of bikers and cyclists?
And a secondary trait of a biker would be, you know, leather pants, skull tattoos, bandanas, you know, smoking cigarettes, whatever, all those things.
And you look at bikers or cyclists and their secondary characteristics are a spandex bodysuit.
tim pool
And those weird helmets.
colin wright
Weird helmets, you know, probably more clean-shaven.
lydia smith
They shave their whole bodies.
colin wright
Vegan or whatever you do.
tim pool
Vegan?
I'm not sure that one makes sense.
colin wright
Those are like secondary traits that are associated with being cyclists and bikers.
But if you were to have someone riding a motorcycle who's wearing a spandex bodysuit and you know all the stuff a cyclist typically wears, they wouldn't magically become a cyclist.
They would still be a biker because they're riding a motorcycle.
That's a good way to put it.
You can have the secondary sex characteristics That doesn't have anything to say about what your actual biological sex is, which has to do with what is the reproductive anatomy that you have.
Has it been organized around the production of sperm or ova?
You don't actually have to make sperm or ova to be a male or female, but what is your reproductive anatomy?
How is it developed?
What is it centered around the production?
tim pool
Well, so, all that stuff in mind, there's, how do you create, how do you take the existing scientific infrastructure, and, I mean, Wikipedia's a great example, specifically because you click words to link to articles.
If you can't change the article and have one word mean two things, that's a key component of the critical race theorists, of the critical gender theorists, is having one word mean multiple things at the same time.
colin wright
Yeah.
Well, they're against any categorization whatsoever, so... So Wikipedia's just gotta go!
So Wikipedia.
They could probably make their own Wokapedia or something.
tim pool
Wokapedia!
Ooh, that's a good one.
That'd be a funny one to make.
colin wright
We should get that domain.
lydia smith
Seriously.
tim pool
Someone just bought it.
Wokapedia.
Someone probably got it already.
But you could do all satire and, like... Actually, no.
You could actually break down the absurdity of...
Their beliefs.
colin wright
In a way, that's kind of what James Lindsay's New Discourses is.
It's basically... Well, he calls it translations from the Wokish.
unidentified
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
colin wright
It's basically Wokipedia.
tim pool
Yeah, so I've seen... I think it was Heather Hying and Brett Weinstein talk about this.
Like, that sex is bimodal.
Have you heard that?
colin wright
I've heard that.
I don't agree with that statement, but... What they often show...
tim pool
When they say that is that, you know, 99% of males and females fall within a very specific range.
But there is an extreme that slightly cross each other in terms of like estrogen or testosterone or masculinity or femininity.
They don't connect though.
So the idea is you can have a male who is more stereotypically female and effeminate than the average female, but still be producing sperm and being male.
They don't connect.
They're just two different independent trees that can surpass each other on a scale of femininity to masculinity.
But what the left does is they say it's a spectrum and they connect them.
So as though that at some point you actually switch to the other side and your body starts producing the other, you know, Yeah.
colin wright
So if you're looking at like the secondary sex characteristics, like breast size and facial hair and body weight or whatever, those are very bimodal.
Like they're correlated with sex, but they're not definitional and of sex.
Um, but then there's this other structure underneath of sex, which is basically the binary male or female, even though the secondary traits can sort of map on over the top of that.
I usually use it as like, I do like a coin flip analogy.
Because, you know, you have heads and tails on a coin.
About one out of every 6,000 flips with a nickel will land on its edge.
tim pool
Is that true?
unidentified
Yeah.
6,000?
colin wright
I have a study.
tim pool
Wow!
colin wright
And that's almost the exact same rate of intersex individuals that are in the population that have somewhat ambiguous genitalia that might not be easily classifiable as male or female.
Not always, but sometimes it can be pretty ambiguous.
So what a lot of the trans activists try to say is the existence of these intersex individuals, these 1 out of 5 or 6,000 individuals, they're calling into question the existence of males or females.
Well, that's kind of like saying that just because a coin can land on its edge, that means that heads and tails are not real discrete outcomes.
So male and female, they're discrete outcomes.
If you're a male, you're just as much as male as a male who's got a weaker beard, who's not as tall, who's got a high voice.
There's not like more or less male there.
You're just, it's a discrete category.
Even though we can acknowledge that there is an edge, someone might land on the edge, where they could have ovo testes, they might not, they're infertile, they don't produce either sperm or ova, they have ambiguous genitalia.
And who's gonna say whether this individual's male or female?
I don't think... maybe in some instances you can't quite assign them to or categorize them to one sex.
tim pool
It's one of the things they actually bring up because there are some people who are intersex who look like they're male or look like they're female but they're intersex.
unidentified
Yeah.
colin wright
And there's a bunch of different, you know... Most intersex conditions are sex-specific, which a lot of people don't tend to realize.
tim pool
Like, what do you mean by that?
colin wright
So, like, um, let's say, like, Kastor Semenya, for instance.
What is it?
He has a condition called 5-ARD, which he has basically... Well, so, real quick, who is she?
Oh, she's the South African runner, basically, the Olympic runner.
And she's recently been banned from competing in the Olympic in some events because...
She was assigned female at birth, but she has a condition that basically makes it so your male genitals don't develop when you're in utero.
So you're basically born and your genitals can look stereotypically all-female to sometimes they can also look male depending on how severe your case is.
And so she presumably has more feminine-looking genitalia because she was marked down as female at birth.
But her condition is a condition that only affects biological males.
So she's XY.
She has internal testes.
That's why her testosterone level is so high that she can't compete in these leagues because they have certain rules for athletes who have her specific condition.
tim pool
But did they used to?
Like, they didn't use them.
They'd just be like, you look like a woman.
Congratulations.
You can run.
unidentified
Yeah.
colin wright
I mean, there's a whole history of how people were banned and kept out of certain categories for the, you know, the woman's category.
And there's some horror stories of, you know, what people were subject to back in the day as well.
But people try to make it, they say that Semenya is, you know, she's a woman, she's a female.
That's what people say.
But no one ever really brings up the fact that Semenya is actually XY and has testes.
tim pool
Is it fair to say biologically male in that capacity?
colin wright
I would say biologically male.
People with her condition have fathered children before, if that puts it into perspective.
tim pool
Well, the only thing that really matters is everyone is deserving of the same equal rights under the Constitution in our country, and human rights in the world, period.
And I think that's one of the things they try to use to make it seem like conversations like this are meant to attack an individual's rights or anything like that, and it's not.
But we have sex-specific categories in sports for a reason, right?
colin wright
I mean, of course we do.
tim pool
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
I heard this.
I don't know if this is true.
I think it is.
There's no rule keeping women out of the NFL or the NBA or the MLB.
colin wright
Yes, that's a common misconception is that these leagues are male only leagues, but they're actually open to anyone who wants to be in them.
So the fact that you don't have any females.
tim pool
So they're sexist.
Yeah, they're keeping them out on purpose.
colin wright
I mean, a lot of people would actually make that argument.
lydia smith
Sorry, I don't mean to interrupt.
Can we adjust his volume a little bit?
unidentified
More?
lydia smith
Yeah.
colin wright
I can try to go closer.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
So, yeah.
We've seen some women try and compete in the NFL, like to try out for it, I should say, as kickers.
And there's been a couple, I think, who've gotten close.
But there's no women in Major League Sports, even though it's open to them.
colin wright
Yeah I mean it's the gap is so huge and it's all part of the the push to get trans athletes or to get males to be able to compete against females it all comes back to the language game they play which is actually the most horrifying part because they've realized that you don't actually need to change laws in order to get them I guess expressed differently, enforced differently, if you just change the language around them.
tim pool
Exactly.
colin wright
So we have leagues like the WNBA or women's sports, women's categories.
But if you redefine what a woman is to be not adult human female, but to be anyone who identifies as a woman.
Then all of a sudden you can have people saying, you know, and if you're chanting the mantra that trans women are women, full stop, then why can't a trans woman play in the women's category?
So we need to try to say and call the, what we should be doing is calling them female sports, but then of course they'll come after the word female too.
unidentified
They are.
colin wright
I mean they are.
tim pool
Biological sex doesn't exist.
They've been saying that for years now.
colin wright
And they'll point to overlap between males and females saying that like not every, you know, some females can compete against some males.
I was like, well, if we're talking about the elite of elite athletes, we're not talking about the center of the bell curves where there's some overlap in ability.
If we're sampling the 0.01% of elite athletes, it's entirely dominated by males.
tim pool
Yeah, this is something really interesting that I had talked about before in terms of, like, why don't we see women at the top of, like, CEO positions or in Major League Sports and things like that.
There's a bunch of sports, intelligence-based, like strategic games, games like chess, obviously, and you don't see a lot of women at the top of these things.
Are you familiar with the greater male variability hypothesis?
So there are more male idiots and more male geniuses, and women tend to be closer to average.
So if that's true, that means you've got a ton of really dumb guys.
And that's unfortunate for those guys and for the women who have to deal with them.
But then you also have a certain factor more of genius men versus genius women.
So then if you have... I don't know what the proportion is to, you know, how many... Actually, do you know how many genius men to genius women?
colin wright
I'm not sure.
I know as you get further to the, you know, tail ends of the distribution, the proportion of male to female goes up.
tim pool
Yeah, it's rather extreme.
It was interesting because based on the Greater Male Variability Hypothesis, there are more women than men who are of average capability and intelligence.
I was also reading another study that was very interesting.
SAT scores align similarly to the Greater Male Variability Hypothesis in terms of intelligence.
So if you have, for every 8 male geniuses, 2 female geniuses, then don't be surprised if you have 80 male CEOs and 20 females.
Or even less, because what happens is, if you have a million people, now you're getting dis- it's just disproportionately becoming more and more male geniuses that have to compete for the same space, and it's just harder for everybody.
But if you look at our society with 328 million people, And whatever the proportion is, let's say you have 10 million geniuses and only a million are female.
That means a woman has a 1 out of 10 chance of getting that job.
Which means, more often than not, won't get it.
And you'll see a lot more men as CEOs, a lot more men in higher ranking positions in general.
colin wright
Yeah, and this is what the whole diversity, equity, and inclusion is trying to undermine, basically, because they just look at the outcomes, the disparate outcomes that we have, and they assume that there must be some structural problem they're keeping females out of these certain fields.
tim pool
Because everything's a social construct, therefore.
colin wright
Yes, I mean, that's where they're coming from.
We have this concept in science, you've almost certainly heard it, that correlation doesn't equal causation.
We're taught that first day of intro bio or intro science class.
But something that's not really taught, that should be, is that disparity does not equal discrimination.
That's, you know, Thomas Sowell right there.
That needs to be something that is just ingrained in us, because If you just look at the different backgrounds of certain white Americans, like French-Americans versus Russian-Americans, you have differences in their average income.
It's pretty large.
Are we really going to say that there's some structural discrimination against Russian-Americans and things like that?
Yeah, so we need to look at what I call a multivariate analysis.
Whenever you're looking at the differences in outcomes, you can't just stop at the difference of an outcome.
You need to go and look at other variables.
How many individuals are majoring in this in school?
Are there differences in just preferences going up?
Once you control for these variables, Uh, you usually find out that, well, the disparity at the end is kind of what we would predict based on, you know, sex related proclivities and, um, you know, it's just randomness.
I mean, randomness can produce unequal outcomes all the time.
Get like a random number generator.
It's going to give you a different number every time you do it.
tim pool
So, you made an interesting point about, you know, France versus Russia.
And I remember reading something interesting about France, you know, they smoke a lot.
I don't know if they smoke as much as they used to, but that was like a trope.
And they drink a lot of red wine, as does Italy.
And there are studies that tracked them and found lower rates of, say, like, heart disease or things like that.
And I wonder if, you know, these things are typically associated with being bad for you, you know, drinking too much alcohol.
I wonder if there's certain characteristics that are developed over time in different, you know, cultures, or I guess... What would you call it?
Like, the French people, meaning that they have over time developed certain characteristics based on genetics.
You know what I'm trying to say?
Like, that red wine might benefit people of France, but not people of, say, South Korea.
Is that a possibility?
colin wright
So like an actual genetic evolution that's creating these, that's not just a cultural difference, maybe?
tim pool
Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So one example is, I've often been told that I don't do dairy well because I'm part Korean, and Southeast Asians didn't have a lot of dairy in their diet, so they're less likely to produce the lactase enzyme.
colin wright
Yeah, yeah.
I would say that there's definitely some, like, human diversity that's of that nature.
It's hard to know if it could go back as recent as, like, wine drinking or something like that, because it's new, it's pretty new, and it'd have to take a lot, there'd be some directional selection for that to be, you know, those types of cultural differences.
But I do think one thing that we need to be focusing on that a lot of people don't like to talk about is cultural differences that can create these different outcomes and different preferences with individuals and populations of what to want to do in their lives.
I mean you do get, I mean some stereotypes are on average true to some degree.
I know a lot of people who had Asian backgrounds and their families are very much focused on education.
tim pool
It's a cultural thing.
colin wright
Yeah, I can't tell you how many black friends that I've had who've told me that when they're growing up they were interested in going into into STEM.
They all have the exact same story.
They were told that they're acting white.
They were made fun of.
They were discouraged from going into these fields.
And I think that's something that they don't allow us to talk about these cultural differences, but they absolutely matter.
And I think that that is something that needs to be put on the table, but they don't want on the table because that's sort of seen as putting blame on the groups that are, that are doing this, but it's, you can't look past that.
tim pool
I heard, I read this somewhere, maybe it's not true, that there's a disproportionate amount of Asian doctors.
colin wright
I think that's true.
tim pool
Yeah, have you heard that?
lydia smith
What's that?
tim pool
A disproportionate amount of Asian doctors.
lydia smith
I believe this to be the case, and I do not believe that is because of, what is it called?
tim pool
Racism?
lydia smith
No, it's not racism.
tim pool
Benevolent racism.
lydia smith
No, no, yeah, yeah, it's benevolent racism where they accept more of them because they're smarter.
tim pool
No, do you know what it's called?
Affirmative action.
Affirmative action seems to actually be a detriment to Asian people.
But I think, you know, it's really funny.
I love this joke.
I was talking to some friends and I mentioned, we were talking about YouTube demonetization.
You know, all the channels are getting their little yellow icons.
You can't make money anymore.
And there was a big trend where people are like, it's political.
You know, they're censoring, you know, people challenging the establishment.
And I was talking to a friend and I said, I don't, I don't think that's true because my mom makes math videos and her math videos get demonetized.
And then one friend said, I think it's funny that your mom, your Korean mom does math tutorial videos.
And I immediately started laughing.
I thought it was hilarious.
And I texted her right away, like, ah, and she laughed too.
Cause it is funny.
And I'm like, how did that happen?
Like, what are you doing?
It's just, I don't know.
It's remnants of the culture, I think, that mattered.
And to my mom, it was cultural.
There's no, like, genetic predisposition to be like, go study.
I think it came from, you know, her parents and their parents before her parents and things like that.
And that carries on and has a huge impact on me because then I grew up with a mom who was like, I'm going to teach you how to do all these things very early and you're going to be really good at math.
And it really did help.
And then I stopped going to high school and started focusing more on like human and social behavior stuff.
And I did nonprofit fundraising for, you know, for various nonprofits, obviously.
colin wright
I think it's actually encouraging to know that something like culture could be playing such a big role because Culture changes.
It changes very quickly.
It would be a much worse situation if these were actually due to fundamental biological differences between certain ethnic groups.
That would be a terrible situation to be in.
tim pool
You know how I know that's not the case?
Because I had a bunch of Asian friends growing up who were potheads who couldn't add 2 plus 2.
Dumb as a box of rocks.
And I'm like, that proves it to me.
It's not race.
They're just layabout stoners and people who choose to do hard work can succeed.
lydia smith
That's actually kind of encouraging to me because my take on the cultural differences is that you can't change culture.
Like, you can't involuntarily change it, I guess.
It has to be something that people do for themselves.
So it's always kind of caused me to be a little bit dejected about it because I'm like, how do you change what people think and how they view things like education?
colin wright
Well, it's going to be a generational thing.
I mean, the culture is not going to, you can't just like have someone give up their culture.
So it's going to be a generational thing, but at least it's a faster than other processes that could be happening.
tim pool
That's why I think these far leftists are actually fascistic, Nazi-esque types.
I'm exaggerating a little bit, but what I mean is, the end result of what they're doing is the preservation of individual cultures.
Like, you can't wear someone else's robe or whatever, right?
You wear the wrong—oh, the Chinese dress?
Canceler.
You can't do it.
It's not allowed.
Dreadlocks?
Well, you gotta go.
And so what they're doing is, with segregation, they're also doing cultural enforcement.
Everybody must remain the perfect stereotype of their culture based on the color of their skin, and that is the way it will always be.
And they'll even create white-only spaces.
You know what's actually going to change the discrimination and bring people together is literally people just living near each other and sharing each other's culture.
We've been doing that for a long time.
It's been kind of awesome.
You know, we can have movies where you have different people playing different, you know, characters, different backgrounds.
You can have white people, you know, dressing up in ninja outfits and whatever.
And it was just like, you know, whatever.
We share and we exchange culture.
And now it's all being reversed.
colin wright
Yeah, they allow the cultures to bleed one direction, you know, like other marginalized communities can take on the culture of, you know, quote-unquote dominant groups.
tim pool
Right.
colin wright
But the whole field of like post-colonial theory, this is what keeps them from allowing white individuals or anyone from a dominant white Western male, whatever, background to appropriate culture.
That's why cultural appropriation is considered such a taboo thing, because it's basically taking the voice away from people who've been colonized, basically.
tim pool
It's really interesting how I hear this a lot, that I was talking about anti-racism, trying to explain to people that there's racism, there's... so on one side you have racism, then in the middle you have not racist, and then on the other side you have anti-racism.
Anti-racism and racism agree on many of the same constructs, they just disagree on who should benefit from them.
I guess.
Actually, it doesn't really make sense, because anyone can be racist, but in the anti-racist worldview, like the Ibrahim X Kendi guy, he views it as, racists and anti-racists agree on the exact same things, except who should be benefiting the most from it.
And so I think, you know, we want to be not racist, and we've been doing really, really well for a long time, but now they're recreating all the identical systems Under the guise of getting rid of them.
The one thing I find truly fascinating about it is if you compare what they're saying now to, say, the dream of Martin Luther King Jr., it's completely at odds with everything he said.
So it's the weirdest thing to me when I see people holding up, you know, signs at protests referencing, you know, Martin Luther King Jr., and I'm like, but you don't agree with him.
You disagree with him.
colin wright
It's gone completely the other direction, yeah.
I don't know if you saw Martin Luther King's... was it his living daughter?
She had a post on... His niece.
Yeah, his niece.
She had a post that she did on Twitter.
I just couldn't believe it.
It was a picture of a young black man holding a sign.
What did the sign say?
It said like, dear white people, stop using Martin Luther King to Further your agenda, you know, you killed him too.
Yeah.
And that was just the most shocking thing because as people rightfully commented, like I would like to be judged by the content of my character rather than the color of my skin.
It was the poster being held was doing exactly the opposite of what Martin Luther King suggest we do.
Dear white people.
That's just group blame.
That's right.
Original sin for an entire group of people.
That's the exact opposite of what the civil rights movement was based on.
tim pool
So my prediction, I guess, is the Olympics will be a whole bunch of men.
Biological males.
Well, according to Wikipedia, men.
Adult human males.
There will be... Actually, you know what?
We'll go into this.
It's a weird thought.
The Olympics allowing male individuals to compete in the women's division.
Won't that just, over time, create two divisions?
The men's and the trans women's division?
colin wright
I mean basically it depends on if they want to just well over time yeah I mean basically because the women's division will essentially just be dominated by males yeah a lot of these trans activists in sports though they don't even want to have these different categories there's some there's a movement to just eliminate the categories and base it on just like what like weight or something like that which would still eliminate female sports because even controlling for a weight at every stage of the you know qualifying It's much more dominated by males at every weight class.
tim pool
You know, I learned this, I think it was like a year or so ago.
I was doing an interview with Dr. Deborah So, and in the course of the research for
the segment, we did like a 10 minute interview and then we put together sources and context
in between some of the things she was saying.
I didn't know this, but it wasn't until I think the early 90s.
When we did clinical trials for drugs, we didn't include women.
It was just men.
And so, surprise, surprise, some drugs weren't working on women, because women have different bodies.
And so, I think one of the big issues was painkillers, for instance.
Men and women react differently to different medications.
It wasn't until the 90s when we were like, hey, wait a minute, we might have to do clinical trials for men and women.
colin wright
Yeah, that's a good argument for things like, well, if I wanted to steel man something like feminist studies or whatever in medicine.
I would point to things like that where it's like, yeah, we need to look at, you know, the female aspect of things was not emphasized quite as much.
And it's good that we can look at that.
And maybe it's good to have a, you know, people who are looking at it with an eye for these sort of types of discrimination that maybe a bunch of guys would just kind of look past.
Yeah.
But you see a new movement now that's basically claiming that there's something called feminist science that is distinct from normal science and can only be done by females, which gets rid of the whole universality of knowledge.
And if you're going to get a different result based on your biological sex, then this isn't science.
This is just politics.
tim pool
I love it when they say things like, 2 plus 2 doesn't equal 4, because who made that up?
And there's a viral video where it's a Black Lives Matter activist saying, like, something like, so what, some white guy in Europe said 4, and all of a sudden everyone just says, OK?
That's ridiculous.
And it's like, actually, no, I think it was the Middle East.
You know, we use Arabic numerals, but it was multiple cultures coming with the concepts of numbers.
Yeah.
Well, that's where they go, man.
And you know what's really interesting is that when I bring up that we finally realized we need to do clinical trials on women, That's a good thing.
And that's a representation, you mentioned this, of feminist studies or whatever, in a positive sense, that there was a point where it was kind of like, hey, wait a minute, I just realized something.
If we have a bunch of just one group of people from the same town, from the same school, all sitting in a room, and they haven't been exposed to other parts of the world and different experiences, there's a lot they don't know.
And that's diversity of opinion, diversity of thought.
So you end up saying, you know what would really help?
If we got someone from a different school to come in here and talk to us because they have a totally different, you know, like we're researching the same things, but I don't know what they've been talking about, what they found.
If we said one of, you know, one of our dudes over there and one of their dudes comes over here, we'll all be more robust in our ideas and our perspectives.
And that was what diversity was supposed to be.
When we talked about diversity of bringing in, you know, migrants and different people from different backgrounds, it was because they had different worldviews.
Yeah.
But now what they're doing is they're like, so long as everybody looks a little bit different, we don't care.
Yeah.
Actually, we want them to be homogenous in thought.
colin wright
That's what I think is going to be the death knell of a lot of universities in fields like psychology, where you have people who are almost entirely from the left and sometimes very far left.
who are just doing these studies that are a lot of these studies even when they if they study
politics they almost look at conservatism as if it were like a an aberrant trait you know they
study at it like an alien study they're just like why do people why would anybody believe
these things so you can see that bias there um and And it's just, they're unable to cover for their own blind spots, because you're going to have... in science, a lot of people try to portray it as this emotionless thing where, you know, scientists are just going in there, leave all your biases at the door.
I'm just looking in my microscope and, you know, eureka.
There's a human aspect to it.
People have biases.
They want their ideas to be true.
And the way we control for that is by having a diversity of opinions or people who can then check your blind spot and say, like, actually, you didn't check for this.
You didn't check for that.
You know, take in these different viewpoints.
But as what you said, we're not getting that type of diversity.
We're getting superficial diversity of just skin color.
tim pool
If I dedicated a year to doing research, and I put my heart and soul into it, who are you to come in and tell me that's wrong?
That would trigger me, and thus, shut your mouth, and let me just believe I'm right, because it'll be happier, right?
colin wright
I'd be happier too.
I mean I had ideas that turned out not to be true when I was studying them.
unidentified
The moon is made of cheese and I can definitively prove it!
tim pool
And then you go back and create a fake, a revisionist history of how we've all heard the moon is made of cheese.
Well now we know for sure.
colin wright
Can't prove it's not.
lydia smith
That's right, correct.
colin wright
Redefine cheese to be rockin'.
tim pool
Well, that's a big thing about what they do.
And I've been talking about this for a long time.
With the words gender and sex changing, changing the definition of the words allows them to change law without having to vote on it.
So, I mean, we kind of have just seen this in the Supreme Court when they ruled recently, I'm sure you heard, that your sexuality and your orientation are inherent components of sex.
Therefore, That's the cutest way to get there.
trans and you can't fire someone for being you know lesbian or gay because
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
those are fundamental components of sex and so thus it's not necessarily the
same thing but it's really reaching and saying you know if X was you know
unidentified
cutest way to get there right for sure yeah I think I think it's only a matter
tim pool
of time before you know gender as I think it's obvious to most people was
was was put on documents so that we knew if you were male or female for very
specific reasons.
colin wright
That's what people have meant by gender from a legal standpoint anyway from a very long time.
It's only very recently where now all of a sudden it's a state of mind.
tim pool
So, you probably know this better than I do, Lydia, but I was told that in emergency medical treatment, knowing whether someone's male or female is extremely important.
lydia smith
Yeah, it is, and I wish I could tell you more definitively why, but I never worked in an emergency department.
All I remember is nurses telling me about needing to know whether... Different medications, I'd imagine.
tim pool
Yes, absolutely.
lydia smith
Different dosages and stuff.
tim pool
But also in, like, if someone's laying on the ground and you don't know what's wrong with them.
I was reading something where it's like, It's really important when the EMTs show up that they can clearly distinguish whether or not this is male or female for a variety of reasons.
So I wonder what would happen if in, like, New York, where they recognize, I think, 31 genders.
And it's really weird because they do, and some of them are the same.
Like, they have female to male, but they also have FTM, which is just an acronym for female to male.
And then they have something called, I'm not saying this to be disrespectful, it's literally gender blender is one of the recognized New York City genders.
What is an EMT or a doctor going to do when there's, you know, a non-binary androgynous individual and they're trying to determine an emergency procedure with only seconds to decide and the form says gender blender?
And there's going to be like, I'm not sure quite exactly what I should do.
colin wright
Yeah, I mean if states want to go and have people put their gender identity on their IDs, In addition to their sex?
tim pool
Yeah.
colin wright
Whatever.
I don't think it really, it doesn't give anyone information that they need to know in any context.
Like, we have traits on our ID so that we can be, you know, that person has blue eyes, brown hair, is a male.
These are things that people, that can be verified and you can, you know, this is what the individual looks like.
But to put, you know, I'm genderqueer or something.
That's not something that anyone can look at you and know about yourself.
tim pool
I'm not sure why I need to know that.
colin wright
It'd be like putting, you know, boxers or briefs on your ID.
It's like there's no reason for people to know that about you or your political identity.
Identity isn't relevant on an ID in any way.
But if people want to do it, they can put it on there.
But we can't replace biological sex with it because that's something that's very important.
tim pool
You know what the problem is?
I don't care what other people do.
You want to put an X on your ID because now a lot of places are allowing this?
I really don't care.
I'm in my own business.
If you want to put your identity on your ID and you put genderblender or androgen is another one they list in New York City, it doesn't affect me personally.
But I have a concern, then, if it comes to medical treatments and the doctor can't make... Think about it this way.
A million people go through the medical system in New York in one year.
It's a random number.
I don't know what the actual number is.
Let's say 1%.
So you get 10,000 people who are of a variety of gender, right?
Non-binary, gender-blender, whatever.
Everyone goes in the hospital and there's a certain percentage of success and failure for the doctors on a variety of ailments.
If they don't know your biological sex, they can't be as effective.
So, hypothesizing, you may end up with a disproportionate amount of non-binary individuals succumbing to the ailments versus, I guess, typical binary biological sexes, male or female.
Normally, I would say, if you choose to do this and the doctor can't properly treat you, I mean, you make your own choice.
I'm not going to intervene in your life.
The problem, then, is someone's going to pull up the data and say, look at this!
There's, you know, it is twice as likely that a non-binary person dies in a hospital compared to a cisgendered person that proves the doctors are killing these people and are biased against them.
That's the issue.
colin wright
Yeah, I hadn't thought about that, but that's definitely... that is the narrative that we're gonna see if that happens.
tim pool
Absolutely.
lydia smith
Yeah, I'm afraid of that.
And doctors already pay so much in malpractice insurance, and we're already such a litigious society, and nurses already do so... they spend so much of their time on charting.
This is just gonna be more for them.
This is just gonna make everything objectively worse.
colin wright
It's like... Again, because they're only measuring after the fact.
They're just looking at the final numbers.
Do they just get a ruler?
Do they match across the top?
No, one's lower than the other.
Is that a minority group?
Yes.
Discrimination.
tim pool
And this is actually going to be, uh, it's not just about medical practices, but there's also, it's, it's going to manifest in a lot of different ways.
Perhaps police, you know, stops or something, you know, somebody who dresses a certain way is more likely to get stopped.
And then they're going to draw the conclusion, not based on the real reason, but they're going to look at the macro level outcomes and say, this proves discrimination, which is if, you know, people are dying, then that proves it.
They're biased.
Like when it came to- so this actually is really interesting, right?
Let's get in trouble.
Let's jump right in and get in trouble.
Where is this tweet?
Here we go.
So I have this tweet from JAMA.
Are you familiar with JAMA?
colin wright
I am not.
tim pool
So JAMA Network is News Guard certified.
So NewsGuard says that it is a website for 13 medical journals published by the American Medical Association.
They consider it to be overwhelmingly credible with a 92.5 out of 100.
And they say, racial ethnic variation in nasal gene expression of transmembrane serine protease 2 The tweet they put out says that, given the essential role of TMPRSS2 in SARS-CoV-2 entry, higher nasal expression of TMPRSS2 may contribute to the higher burden of COVID-19 among black individuals.
The first reply?
Race is not genetic.
Do better.
Well, what do you mean do better?
It's a scientific study.
How do you... do better science?
How is it not genetic?
colin wright
Well... I mean, if you... there was a study that's done where you get individuals and they give you their self-identified race and then they look at their genes and they look at how they cluster based on self-identified race.
tim pool
Interesting.
colin wright
And they all cluster basically in the exact same groups that you would think.
So there's, it's a very low resolution depiction of what these are general racial categories, you know, like white, African American.
It's a super low resolution.
If you turn up the sensitivity high enough, you can see these things kind of come out in sort of a clustered fashion genetically.
And they do give some useful information.
So I don't think we should be using the generic racial categories.
There's a much more easily finer scale variation that you can pick up that might have relevance in the medical field.
Like only certain populations of black individuals have sickle cell anemia.
It's like some Sub-Saharan Africa populations have these.
But to say, I mean, they're saying race is not genetic, but their idea of race is sort of this socially constructed version.
That's not to say that human variation isn't genetic.
I mean, human variation is by definition genetic.
tim pool
I mean, what do they mean by race in this regard?
That it's not genetic?
colin wright
Well, they would say the categories that we call these races were constructed by white Western heterosexual individuals.
tim pool
I mean, definitions and observations were made, typically in science as we know it, from many white individuals.
We also collaborate with other countries.
I mean, India and Japan, for instance, contribute to a lot of major scientific breakthroughs and studies, as do a lot of other countries.
We don't just assume that... Well, they make the assumption that white people have invented everything.
colin wright
Well, they would say that because there's not like any single criteria that defines one race from another, you can't boil it down to a single tiny one thing that makes somebody black, or one thing that makes somebody this, therefore these categories don't exist.
But that's ignoring the whole type of thing called polyphetic categories, where you can belong to like a certain group that's sort of a cluster concept.
It can have various characters that co-vary in a non-random way, and you can measure this statistically, even though you can't say that these are super distinct categories in any one way, but there are ways to cluster them.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It is interesting, because people often reference, say, albino black people, and they'll say, you can still tell that their facial size of the nose or whatever, you can make determinations that they're albino or black or something like that.
But it actually is a really good point to give credit where credit is due to the left, when they say that that's a really good example of the left's argument.
That there are individuals who have white skin, but have more similar facial formations to your typical black or Latino or Asian person, and that person might identify as one of those, not as white, even though they have white skin.
And you end up with really weird things from this argument, though.
You end up with white people with black hair saying they're black and getting away with it, like this professor who's apparently Jewish.
So it is interesting, though, and I've often thought about this.
How do you define what makes someone black or not, right?
So we kind of were critical of the idea of the capital B black, the political black.
But there are challenges, you know?
There are some people you might look at and say, this person has white skin, but they identify as black, and they have black parents, and there's some, you know, pigmentation issue, maybe albinism, and so they end up with whiter skin.
I guess the issue I see is the challenge in navigating the space appropriately and properly to make sure that we're being correct, we're being respectful.
Correct first and foremost, but we do want to make sure we're treating people like human beings.
The challenge there opens the door for a more extreme version of there's no race, race is not genetic in any capacity and stuff like that.
And then this just basically starts to expand from there.
And it's almost like science isn't perfect.
So they found a hole, or they found a thread, and they're pulling and unraveling the whole
sweater based off of one small thread where they find an error, you know what I mean?
colin wright
Yeah, it's like because you can't identify one thing that makes someone definitively
black or definitively Asian.
And they're, again, ignoring the statistical things that we do, and we're correlating different,
you know, single nucleotide polymorphisms and populations.
I mean, we can get down to such fine-scale population differences.
If you look in India, you can actually look at...
the way that the population is structured based on the caste system that they had for long periods of time, where you had more likely to have breeding within caste than between them.
This creates certain genetic structures between certain populations that can be measured.
That's what we're talking about.
That's a much more recent effect, but you can still say that those are real.
It's not like a person from this one caste is completely different than this other.
They're not like different species.
tim pool
Yeah.
colin wright
But you can still look at these correlational differences between their genetic structure.
You can say, you are most likely from, you know, Brahmin caste or something.
Right.
And... Well, I mean, we... This is something the human population geneticists have no problem talking about with other geneticists.
But if you were to say that this corresponds to anything real to the social justice... Well, I got my... Not me, but members of my family have gotten their, you know, ancestry or whatever.
tim pool
And it comes back and it says, here are all the things you are.
Like, how can they tell you that if it wasn't really genetic or whatever?
colin wright
Well, maybe there's something to this whole genetics thing.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But I guess it's a, it's, it's, you know, it's racist.
Bigoted.
I wonder what the, what's your, let's do this.
Let's take everything we've talked about just now.
Fast forward 10 years.
colin wright
Oh my God.
tim pool
Assuming this keeps going, what would you, what would you predict?
colin wright
I would expect, if it keeps going at the same clip, well I don't think it can, so if it keeps going at this clip I think it's going to max out and there's either going to be some sort of revolution or no one's going to know up from down or left from right because it's just going to be, everything's been deconstructed.
tim pool
I like to imagine that everybody has to wear a giant, like, cardboard box around their body.
That they, like, move around.
It's like dragging on the ground, too.
And they speak through a text-to-speech so that no one knows anyone's gender or race or whatever.
And in order to communicate, you type in the keyboard, like, I am hungry and would like to get a cheeseburger.
And it's like, I am hungry, would like to eat cheeseburger.
colin wright
That would be too colorblind, though, because that's racist.
tim pool
Oh, that's a good point.
colin wright
So then there would be... You'd need to have a checklist or something outside of like... No, no, no.
tim pool
The Asian people would have... Everyone's skin tone would be the color of their box.
But you couldn't see anything else.
Can you be gender blind?
Is that also bigoted?
colin wright
I think it probably is.
tim pool
There's no answer!
colin wright
I'm gonna go with yes on this one.
tim pool
Okay, how about everybody's wearing a gray jumpsuit, they have shaved heads, and if you're a dude, they malnourish you to a certain degree, so everybody will be basically the same height and weight, and they'll hold hands.
colin wright
Yeah, I didn't think we could get to where we are right now, so that's not too far-fetched.
tim pool
Honestly, I think, to be more realistic and, you know, put the jokes aside, I think the reality is a right-wing reaction.
I think that the more psychotic this stuff becomes, there's, whether the left wants to admit it or not, people have certain biological drives.
And they're going to want these things.
Like eating food.
You know?
Like, we all crave food or we die.
And you can't just act like these things don't exist.
And people want to have families.
It's interesting, I was looking at a study a while ago, and it was, what do you think most people value, and what do you value the most?
And most people said, other people want to be famous.
They said, what do you value?
Family.
Everybody said they valued family, but everyone else valued fame.
It's a really interesting phenomena.
If that's the case, then you have people, most people just want to have a family.
Well, if you say you want to disrupt the nuclear family, like Black Lives Matter does, eventually you're going to have regular people saying, I want a family.
They're going to look to their left, and they're going to see people saying, break the family apart.
They're going to look to their right, and they're going to see people with the smiling family in a picket fence, and they're going to be like, I'll take that.
What they don't realize is they're looking at, you know, fascists.
And they're going to say, I want this one thing.
And I bring that up almost as a bit of a self-criticism because here we are, you know, you mentioned earlier, you were not for school choice before, but you are now because of the manifestation of this weird politics.
And I mentioned that I wasn't, you know, I don't want to say I was against gun rights or anything like that, but I definitely leaned more towards, you know, what common sense gun control.
And I didn't want to own any guns.
Now I own a bunch and I'm like, nah, get out of here.
Don't take my guns.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
So we've been pushed to that side because the left is scarier and goes against our own
drives.
For me, safety and security.
And I think it's actually similar for you in terms of school choice.
colin wright
Yeah.
I've changed on minor policy type things, but I'd say since I was 20, I don't think
my fundamental politics hasn't really changed much, but relative to where the center is,
given that the left has sort of gone out super far, now I'm just considered centrist or even
maybe center-right by some people.
tim pool
I would say by standard American disgeneration, my policies, my politics are very liberal.
At least where liberal used to be.
But now liberal today is blindly following far left progressive insanity.
And so they call me conservative.
And I'm like, I have very few conservative positions.
And there are a lot of union Democrats that have historically been pro 2A.
So that's not even necessarily, there are blue states that are very much pro, pro second amendment.
You know, Vermont, for instance, Bernie Sanders used to have a good position on, on, on gun control saying it was an urban versus rural issue.
And I was like, that's a brilliant point.
That's why I liked him back in the day.
Now he's kind of sold out.
But the right is not really moving all that much, and they're opening up their tent to liberals who still believe in their same liberal positions.
But the far left and whatever liberal is supposed to mean today doesn't represent, in my opinion, the average American.
They like to claim America is a progressive country, and it's a lie.
They just do clever wordplay.
My favorite is the Green New Deal.
Here's what they do.
This is how polls work.
You probably know.
Would you support the government investing into research for green technologies to help reduce carbon emissions?
colin wright
Well, yes, I would.
tim pool
Absolutely.
You are for the Green New Deal.
Check.
Then they come out and they say 87% were in favor of Green New Deal policies.
You see, they reframe the answer, different from the question.
Of course, they'll say, here's our full, you know, questionnaire, and here's what we asked.
But nobody goes in there.
Some people do.
But then the headline is, 87% support the Green New Deal.
Why?
It's the bias.
People see polls, and they assume if most people like it, they'll just say, sure, I'm for it too, because I want to fit in.
That's where we're at.
How about we take Super Chats?
People are going to ask questions and let's do it.
They're going to put you on the spot.
colin wright
That'd be interesting.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Okay.
So this one, I guess has nothing.
What is this?
Alan Brady says, hi, Tim.
Heard about the Joe Rogan debate possibility.
Exciting.
May I suggest the hashtag Joe must go hashtag as my pressure tag of choice.
Take this wad of dough and go be my champion in the media sphere.
That actually is a pretty good one, but it sounds like you're saying he has to leave.
lydia smith
Just leave.
tim pool
Yeah, saying Joe must go is like, get out of here Joe, we don't want you.
lydia smith
Joe must go on Joe.
tim pool
Biden, yeah, it's tough because they're both named Joe.
colin wright
So I haven't actually heard about this Biden debate thing on Rogan.
What's the deal with that?
tim pool
So Joe on a podcast said that he'd be down to moderate a four hour debate between Joe Biden and Donald Trump.
And Trump said, yes.
lydia smith
He said, I do want that.
tim pool
Yes.
So Tim Kennedy tweeted on my podcast with Joe, he said he'd be willing to do this.
How many of you want this?
And Trump quote tweeted it, I do.
And everybody's like, yeah, dude, that would be the most watched thing ever in history.
colin wright
Easy.
tim pool
It would be the highest rated thing ever done ever.
No joke.
And the reason is debates are fake news.
Like a debate between Trump and Biden is just going to be stupid, corny.
You have 30 seconds to answer, sir.
Nah, nah.
I want the four hour Trump being like, excuse me, Joe.
No, you're wrong.
And Joe being like, I can't.
Come on, man.
Come on.
I didn't say that.
And then Joe being like, yo, guys, guys, why the F is marijuana still legal?
That would be amazing.
It would be like the greatest thing ever.
lydia smith
That would be so fun.
tim pool
I wish, man.
lydia smith
I would watch that.
tim pool
All right, we got one from Daniel Christman.
Brooklyn's Julia Salazar is a leader of the Justice Democrats and NYC's DSA.
I am running against her for State Senate.
One-on-one, I am pro-2A, Trump supporter, I hate Cuomo.
Daniel Christman, Google me, I'm an independent.
Hey, there you go, Super Chat, and you get your advertisement.
lydia smith
Daniel Christman.
tim pool
Why bother paying for any sponsorship on any of my channels when you can just Super Chat me five bucks and then I can read out whatever you put.
All right, here we go.
Dr. Rollergator says, Colin, you sexy nerd.
Pick one or the other.
Sexy or nerd.
You can't be both.
Are you ever going to announce which candidate is in a slick leather jacket you endorse for president?
colin wright
I do endorse Dr. Rollergator for president.
unidentified
Dr. Rollergator?
colin wright
Absolutely.
He's the best candidate.
And if I had to pick between sexy and nerd?
I probably have to go with nerd.
tim pool
Nerd?
colin wright
I think that'll carry me further in the future.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
Yeah, money talks and BS walks.
colin wright
There was a moment in the past where I was gonna either be in a rock band or go full, full throttle on the evolutionary biology.
And I just didn't think that My bass playing would have carried me as far as just like me actually studying for something and I could commit to it and have the future in my own hands.
tim pool
It's a wise, smart decision.
It's a tough industry because it's saturated.
Because everybody wants to be a rock star or whatever.
colin wright
And there's so much luck involved too of who is at your show.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, I mean, we're in the digital space now, so it's much more meritocratic.
colin wright
It's true.
tim pool
But you've got to have a marketing mind.
But the main thing I would say is that if you're, you know, a bass player, a guitar player, a drummer, you have like one singular thing you're doing, if you're not a producer of your own music or any others, then you're going to become a session musician.
Not bad, you can make money, you know?
But then it's basically like, it's an interesting industry, much like skateboarding, where it's just people in the industry paying each other in the industry for money from other industries, you know?
Like, the money it generates is from adherence of its own industry, you know what I mean?
Like, if you're a session musician, it's other bands trying to make it, hiring you to record music for them.
And for the most part, I mean, you could do composition for commercials and stuff like that, but...
Then you really gotta be a jack-of-all-trades, full-on musician who can do everything, you know?
So I think you chose the right path.
lydia smith
I would say so.
tim pool
I would love to do that.
I'll do it.
Vote for Team Tim to run real-time fact-checking for the moderated debates.
lydia smith
You broke the internet.
tim pool
Yeah, you broke the internet.
colin wright
You couldn't top it.
tim pool
It's going to be tens of millions of live concurrence on YouTube.
The full debate would be the subject of every major news outlet.
lydia smith
YouTube would break for sure.
colin wright
Spotify would be happy with that one.
lydia smith
Right?
colin wright
Oh yeah, dude, for sure.
unidentified
Oh man.
tim pool
We've got to make this happen.
What do we do?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Joe Biden!
Go on Joe Rogan's podcast with Trump.
lydia smith
There we go.
tim pool
That would be so incredible.
Let's read some more, but also, you want to mention your Twitter handle or any other thing you want to mention?
colin wright
You can follow me on Twitter.
It's swipe right.
It's swipe W-R-I-G-H-T.
tim pool
That's your name.
colin wright
I'm currently working on a book called Reality's Last Stand.
It's going to be going over sort of the whole denial of biological sex and trans issues across the board, basically.
tim pool
And it's going to say Colin Wright, Ph.D.
in the bottom, right?
colin wright
You know, I don't know if we put that, because a lot of times when you put the Ph.D., that's a lot of what a huckster's put on their front book if they're trying to sell, like, crystals or something.
Interesting.
So maybe in the back flap it'll mention it.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
lydia smith
Too funny.
tim pool
Crystals.
unidentified
I love it.
tim pool
Dr. Certifiable says, hey, can we get Aria Demetso on the show?
We can use a little trans-satanist-anarchist perspective.
That would be cool, actually.
That would be really cool.
lydia smith
Yeah, we were talking about that yesterday.
tim pool
So do you know about the story?
colin wright
I don't think so.
tim pool
Aria Demetso is a transgender, I think, I'll just say trans, that's how they describe themselves, trans-satanist-anarchist who ran for sheriff on the GOP, for the GOP nomination, and won.
unidentified
Sheriff?
tim pool
4,000 primary votes.
And all these Republicans are really angry because they didn't realize who they were voting for.
So there's a blog from ARIA saying like, you're mad at me?
You're the one who just voted for a party.
It's fundamentally broken.
And I'm like, this is great.
You know why?
Because the reason why we have rhinos and dinos, these politicians who don't do anything, is because people are like, I'm going to vote Democrat.
And they just go, boop, I'm going to vote Republican, boop.
And they have no idea who they're voting for.
colin wright
It's hackable.
tim pool
So, absolutely.
So, you end up with a trans-Satanist anarchist being totally up front.
Her website's campaign slogan was, F the police.
Running for sheriff.
It's amazing.
Look, if you voted for someone that blunt and that honest, you didn't do your homework.
That was your vote.
You chose to vote for that person.
Now, the four-term incumbent in this district is probably not gonna lose.
So that's why I think it's just a good thing to wake these people up.
Like, you gotta vote.
You gotta know who you're voting for.
And more importantly, you should run.
Because Arya was running unopposed.
So they were just like, well, we got one choice.
There you go.
Yep.
But that would be fun, I guess.
We'll try and figure things out.
lydia smith
Be interesting, if nothing else.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Alex says, first time watching live.
Much love, Tim.
Appreciate it.
Carlos Cruz says, Tim, is your pronunciation of sheriff a Chicago thing, or is that just a you thing?
Why, how am I supposed to say sheriff?
lydia smith
You said she-riff.
tim pool
She-riff?
lydia smith
I was like, sheriff.
tim pool
Sheriff?
lydia smith
Yeah, is that... You don't pronounce sheriff like... I'm saying it.
You don't pronounce sheriff like she-riff.
tim pool
She-riff?
lydia smith
Now I can't pronounce it.
That one office that this person was running for?
tim pool
Sheriff.
lydia smith
Sheriff!
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Sharif.
lydia smith
Sharif.
tim pool
I'm saying Sharif from now on.
lydia smith
Perfect.
Excellent.
tim pool
Let's see, 8BitNeko says, I'm only here for Bucko.
Well, thank you.
He was drinking water and he's since gone back to bed.
Anthony Crossland says, Hey Tim, I have a background in non-lethal hand-to-hand combat.
I want to use this to partner with local law enforcement at no cost to provide police more options for resorting to the tool belt.
Includes more training and de-escalation.
Thoughts?
You know what the problem is?
They banned some of these things, right?
Like, you know, chokeholds, for instance.
They're not... Chokeholds are an option.
You know, it's like... So you've seen a lot of the police brutality stuff.
They're banning various things.
If a cop has a choice between escalating from punching to shooting because you've gotten rid of chokeholds, wouldn't you wish you had chokeholds as an option?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So yeah, yeah.
That's the main issue I see, but talk to your local department and let them know.
Gerg C says, love cats, but maybe feed them earlier and keep them out of the room while streaming.
unidentified
No.
lydia smith
We love them.
tim pool
Yeah, we love them.
lydia smith
They're honored guests.
tim pool
See, normally we end the shows around 10, but we usually just go a little bit longer.
And so what happens is Bucko, he wakes up when the show ends and then he's all like droopy eyed and like, oh, what's going on?
lydia smith
He's a little groggy.
tim pool
But then we go, yeah, we go like 10 minutes over and he starts yelling at us like, yo, What's going on?
It's time to eat.
What up?
And it's funny.
And then he jumps on the table and starts drinking water.
It's hilarious.
Aren't animals funny?
lydia smith
They're great.
tim pool
Let's see, Keckman says, thank you for being a bastion of free speech and thought, Tim and co.
Do you have any measure, measures, policies in place so that your own businesses not go woke for after you retire or dismantle what you built when you retire?
I don't know, it's all built on me, which is a problem.
You know, I get hit by a truck tomorrow.
colin wright
Unless Tim goes woke, then your employees don't have anything to worry about.
lydia smith
I've been thinking about it.
No, I forbid it.
tim pool
I just will randomly wake up one day and be like, principals, why?
I could get a big ol' contract.
This is the funny thing when they say grifters.
They're like, the right wing grifters.
Oh yeah, I choose to oppose the mainstream establishment.
No, I'd love to get a contract standing up on a podium at Major League Baseball and saying all of the stupid corporate things they want you to say and they pay fat cash for it.
colin wright
Yeah, I'm not sure where they get the idea that there's a lot of money in someone like me just writing an article in Quillette or something about biological sex being real that submarines my whole career that I've been training for over a decade to get into.
tim pool
You're being funded by right-wing billionaires.
colin wright
There is like a small fee you get paid for publishing in Quillette, but...
So you admit it's all for money all from the work you're doing is an exchange for pay I mean when I had the article in the Wall Street Journal and someone's like he just wanted the money from that like Not they don't even pay that much to pay like 200 bucks.
Yeah, I know it's trash isn't it and it was and I tanked my career Yeah, right after that one basically so what you're saying is you're a bad grifter If there's a better way to do it, I'd love to.
lydia smith
Let me know, yeah.
colin wright
I did get hired by Quillette after I got cancelled, so.
Yeah, it works.
tim pool
You're not, you know, eating gutter oil or anything in the streets, so.
lydia smith
Not yet.
tim pool
Not yet, hopefully.
Let's see.
Caper2x says, lack of context.
It ought to be Democrats through history.
Yeah, there's a lack of context.
Aaron says, I had socialists come to my school and give flyers telling us to leave the Dems and form our own socialist party.
They want the teachers union and other city unions to strike.
I mean, the teachers unions should all join the socialist party.
They should.
I absolutely believe they should.
Totally wasn't my fault says, I believe to fight social justice, Trump should make it easier for foreigners to be citizens.
Based on personal experience, naturalized citizens have a bigger appreciation here than the SJWs who were born here.
You know what the problem is?
They have taken all of these really positive things and turned them into really bad things so you can't oppose them.
Social justice.
unidentified
Do you oppose justice?
tim pool
Do you oppose anti-fascism?
lydia smith
Anti-racism.
tim pool
Yep.
Do you think black lives matter?
colin wright
It's all the same.
lydia smith
Exactly.
tim pool
That's why I said...
colin wright
They are on point on their messaging campaign.
tim pool
That's why I said I'm going to start an organization called the Weak and Vulnerable Elderly Grandmothers.
So that way when Antifa shows up and starts punching them, the press will report Antifa
beat several weak and elderly vulnerable grandmothers.
lydia smith
Yeah, but they kind of took that out from under you, because they actually did.
Remember?
tim pool
What do you mean?
lydia smith
They beat a couple old people in the streets.
And they didn't get any bad press for it.
tim pool
Then we'll say, disabled children.
lydia smith
Yes.
Puppies.
tim pool
Bunch of like super ripped dudes like far-right militia decked out in gear walking around and they'll be caught up
there like there They'll be called the disabled children and if I shut up
and attacked disabled children Attacked the disabled children beautiful auntie for why
would you attack you're opposed you you you hate disabled children? What's wrong with you?
colin wright
Are you a bigot?
Black Lives Matter 2 or something.
tim pool
I think there actually is a group called that, T-O-O.
colin wright
Oh yeah?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yes, it's a... yeah.
lydia smith
Look it up, I've not heard of that.
tim pool
Timothy Peterson says, former Brewers, Packers, Bucks, Badgers fan.
Haven't watched or listened to the pro teams.
Badgers can't play because the Big Ten is a worthless conference.
To hell with all of them.
Used to watch sports because, gasp, I like sports.
And sports brought us together.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's a shame.
Well, there are a bunch of lunatics doing crazy things, to say the least, in many different countries.
I'm not familiar with who he is.
I haven't heard this name.
Well, there are a bunch of lunatics doing crazy things, to say the least, in many different
countries.
Joseph Aaron says, a subject that doesn't get a lot of attention is child trafficking.
Jacko Bouyans would be a great guest to have on to discuss the issue.
I'm not familiar with who he is.
lydia smith
I have heard this name.
I've got to look him up.
unidentified
That's a lot of...
tim pool
I don't know if you follow any of that stuff, but there have been like a bunch of big busts
recently of traffickers and like they found kids.
I see a lot of people saying they're going to vote for Trump because the Trump administration has been particularly active in taking down these trafficking rings.
colin wright
Have you seen that Wayfair conspiracy?
tim pool
Oh yeah.
Nah, that stuff's all silly, man.
lydia smith
So weird.
But there's weird stuff happening.
I don't know.
tim pool
It's true, but Wayfair is not the way to do it.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's a little too open.
tim pool
Yeah.
Wolfup says, Did you know that September 17th is both Constitution Day
and the bloodiest day in U.S. history?
I wonder if a leftist going to D.C. know that.
The bloodiest day is considered the Battle of Antietam.
Really?
lydia smith
Yeah, the Battle of Antietam.
And I did know it was Constitution Day.
Was it September 17th?
tim pool
That is interesting.
colin wright
Is there like a gathering on the 17th?
tim pool
The White House siege.
They're calling it the White House siege.
lydia smith
I doubt they know enough about history.
tim pool
Yeah.
It's a non-violent siege.
That's what they said.
colin wright
Siege.
unidentified
Siege.
tim pool
For 50 days they're going to lay siege to the White House, they said.
And it will be non-violent!
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Siege.
lydia smith
No doubt.
tim pool
No, they're saying non-violent because otherwise they'll be arrested, but everybody knows Antifa's gonna show up, act a fool, and there's gonna be tons of violence.
lydia smith
But they're anti-fascist, Tim.
colin wright
That's on the 17th.
tim pool
But they're pro, yeah, in D.C.
in front of the White House.
For 50 days they're gonna occupy, and they're gonna fight with cops, and I hope you're all ready for riots!
Hey, if you haven't already, make sure you smash the like button.
Because we're talking about important things.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Snaggle Spice says, my best friend has a biracial kid and is now being called a racist due to her support of Trump.
Close friends of ours say she's hiding her racism behind her kid.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
It's so insane!
Sad times.
Love to you from California.
Oof, get out, get out while you can.
Isn't that crazy?
She's just pretending to not be racist by having an interracial child.
colin wright
Impressive.
tim pool
Vsidia says, When I was looking through the Cancel Netflix hashtag, I saw a name I didn't expect to see.
Richard Spencer cancelled his Netflix over cuties.
Don't know what to say about this one.
You know, a lot of people keep saying the left is pro cuties.
No, it's the media class.
Because everybody was freaking out over that.
You saw it.
colin wright
I did, yeah.
tim pool
Basically everybody.
There was like one account from an avowed Marxist.
She's like, I'm a Marxist!
I oppose this!
lydia smith
Nancy Pelosi's daughter, who's a lawyer, also strongly opposes it.
tim pool
Yeah, it's disgusting stuff.
But there were these creepy pedos in the media.
Who are like, I think the movie was fine.
It's like, I wonder what other movies you think are fine.
lydia smith
Tell us more.
colin wright
Rotten Tomatoes that had like an 80% critic.
unidentified
And it was like a 4%.
tim pool
You know, what people don't realize is I see these media people being like, well, you didn't even watch the movie.
No, because someone posted a three minute long clip of little girls doing like twerk dances humping the ground.
And I'm like, I'm not going to watch that movie.
What is this?
You know, it's... You don't need to at that point.
The way I describe it is like, imagine if you're making a movie saying murder is bad.
Or I'm sorry, not murder.
Drugs are bad.
So you buy drugs, literally give the drugs to kids, make them smoke the crack and film it.
It's one thing if they're acting.
colin wright
Look what's happening to them.
Isn't that horrible?
lydia smith
Yes, it's terrible.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
I think Sargon said it the best when he was like, if you walked around yelling the N-word at black people to point out how awful it is to do.
I'm like, no, don't.
But it's like, yeah, you can't do that.
That makes no sense.
Yeah, that was a funny point, though.
These people are crazy.
Jake Phillips says, Proud Boys are still going to Portland.
Do you still think they should relinquish their First Amendment rights for optics?
If so, at what position should my people stand up?
Honest question.
Did I say they should?
I never said they should relinquish their First Amendment rights for optics.
I said that perhaps you should consider having your rallies somewhere else because you're stepping into an arena that's going to cause a bunch of violence, and if your goal is actually to help Trump win and stand up for your rights, strategy is more important than acting tough.
I imagine it this way, you know?
I'm like, imagine the stereotypical, you know, uh, feudal, feudal lord's, uh, temple or something in Japan.
And the ninja runs full speed to the front gate, starts banging on the door, saying, let me in, I wanna kill the feudal lord!
They're gonna be like, prepare the arrows, and they will kill the ninja, and that's a horribly ineffective ninja.
But hey, they were fighting, right?
Or wouldn't it make more sense for the ninja to sneak in from the back, climb through the roof, on the ceiling, drop down, poison the feudal lord, and escape without ever being noticed?
I bring this up because I was talking to activists a long time ago about this, and I said, you can stand up for your rights, but what does it matter if you're losing and you don't care that you're losing?
Isn't winning and securing your rights more important?
In which case, tact and strategy is paramount.
But more importantly, we don't want violence and escalation.
So I don't know if you heard the Proud Boys are planning on going to Portland on the 26th.
colin wright
Is it like another caravan or something?
tim pool
I think they're just gonna go march around and wave flags.
They have every right to do so.
Does it mean they should?
Just because you have the right doesn't mean you should go into a situation that's going to hurt your own cause.
That's the weirdest thing to me.
It's like, you have your rights.
That doesn't mean it's mandatory that you go around and march everywhere all the time.
It means you do it when it makes sense because you're trying to fight for what you believe in.
And right now, there's a bigger issue.
I mean, I guess if they showed up and they did a very specific nonviolent civil disobedience, like, carefully planned, and they agreed to not be offensive in any capacity, and to only block against attacks and not take attacks, they might win in terms of how the press manipulates everything.
colin wright
Yeah, but if they're gonna go in there with, like, paintballs and start shooting people, like... People are gonna show up with guns, probably.
tim pool
The left is gonna shoot somebody.
And it's- and it's just, like, they belie- it's- it's... You know?
You have a right to do it.
I'm not- I'm not saying they shouldn't do it.
I'm saying if it were me and I was trying to win some kind of political battle, I'd be like, well, that's a bad idea.
But tons of people feel that way.
But they have a right to do it.
They do.
That's why I'm like, do your thing, whatever.
And then all the press will come out with the violent right-wing militia Proud Boys, and they're gonna lie left and right about everything that happened, and they're gonna try and use that to make it so Trump doesn't win, and then you'll end up with, you know, Marxist insurrectionaries running the government.
colin wright
I was for like straight up caravans or something like that would have been fine.
But as soon as they started the paintball guns and paintball and people like they weren't there to just like wave their flags.
They're trying to clear something up pretty good.
tim pool
But the main issue is the narrative being pushed by the left is that right wing militias are storming their towns.
And I see the journalists are salivating.
You see in Portland a far leftist stalked and executed a Trump supporter.
And that that's going to scare a lot of people.
The left is desperate to get any kind of message out that they're not the bad guys.
They need all the evidence they can get, even if it's only a little bit, to prove it's actually the right-wingers invading their town and attacking the innocent.
They're desperate.
And never interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake.
But now a bunch of Proud Boys are going to show up, the left is going to be like, listen, they're walking into a trap.
You know, the left is preparing for it right now, the media, and they know what's going to happen, and they are lining up all their narratives, and they're going to wait for the perfect shot to say the Proud Boy attacked an old lady and, you know, beat random people, and then they're going to put it in the press and say, see that guy who was actually stalking a Trump supporter?
It's because of this!
And they're going to try and justify everything.
But again, I mean, they're allowed to do it.
I'm just saying, I think it's a bad idea.
Don't like my opinions?
That's fine.
You have your opinion, I have mine.
Holly Math Nerd says, Colin, you're too sexy to do live video chats.
Way too distracting.
Audio only in the future, please.
More of these people!
lydia smith
It's triggered.
colin wright
Random Twitter followers.
I love it.
tim pool
Exile of Society says, Tim, if you have a problem with the black separation, then do you dislike Native reservations?
Do you dislike the Amish?
If you want to live in their community, you have to give up your ways and live on their terms.
You also have stated living separate by a river.
Separated by a river?
I mean, there's a river, and I live near it.
I don't know if that's intentional.
Native American reservations are based on many different things.
I mean, it was like, reserving land for the Native Americans and their communities, and it was because they were in active conflict with the U.S.
for a long time when the colonists came here, and that's all, you know, you know the history.
I don't need to read all the history lessons for you.
And the Amish, I'm pretty sure the Amish aren't based on race.
Like, a white person can go to the Native American reservation and be like, I would like to join.
And a lot of them actually said, you can.
And I don't know how the Amish work, but if you want to live in their community, you have to give up your ways.
So what's wrong with that?
If I want to go move to New York, I gotta pay New York taxes.
That's fine.
lydia smith
Basically the same.
tim pool
I just don't like them being like, we're going to say you look different, so we won't have anything to do with you.
That's a problem to me.
colin wright
that I don't like. I've seen multiracial Amish people just when I'm doing research because
I'm in pretty rural areas and there's the buggies and everything going by. Cool. I just
tim pool
don't like racial segregation. I think it's walking backwards. It's like, you know, Eric
A. says woke logic doesn't hold up under any amount of pressure.
Saw a vid of a girl getting arrested and her friend demanding a female cop.
Officer asked her, how does she know he doesn't identify as female?
Think he broke her brain.
Right?
He shouldn't have even said that.
He should have said quite literally, it's okay, I'm a female.
It's okay, I'm a woman.
Then they'd be like, no, you're not.
Excuse me?
colin wright
How dare you?
tim pool
Yeah, how dare you, bigot?
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
Sajong the Great says, look up the Battle of the Sexes.
Brash versus the Williams sisters.
Sisters claimed they could beat any man ranked 200+.
Dude played a full round of golf, came to the match buzzed, and handily beat them both in two rounds.
I remember that.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Yes, the Williams.
I remember that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
lydia smith
So funny.
tim pool
Yup.
Let's see.
Okamikurenya.
I can't pronounce that, I'm sorry.
Okamikurenya.
Identitarianism is a social great filter that an ever more tolerant society drags with it contrarians that wish to destroy it and ever more advanced technology grants them the tools to do so.
Yikes, man.
That's true.
You got people who don't have to do anything and they have food available to them.
Idle hand's the devil's playground, you know?
So they want to burn it down.
Let's see.
What is this?
Okay, I read that one.
Yaroslav Korovnikov.
Jordan Peterson said that the left doesn't believe in free individuals at all.
You are just a mouthpiece of your hierarchy.
So, what you have been previously asking, they don't care about truth or facts.
It's only about power.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
Yeah.
Havtome says, heard a joke one time.
It was when Tim pronounced Willamette.
unidentified
Why?
How?
tim pool
Am I pronouncing it wrong?
lydia smith
I remember you had a hard time with it.
I don't remember what we decided.
Willamette?
Willamette?
That sounds a lot complicated.
tim pool
I don't think that word was ever an issue.
Because I know because I had an issue with them when they wrote fake news about me and I had to call the Willamette Weekly and be like, yo, you're fake news.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Thank you for everything you guys stand for.
UFO!
Oh, you want to spin the UFO?
lydia smith
It's really simple.
colin wright
What does it do?
tim pool
So you just hold the trigger down until it starts blowing air, and then you aim it at the edge of the UFO, and the UFO will spin.
And there you go.
You have successfully spun the UFO.
lydia smith
We passed on the knowledge.
colin wright
It's like your equivalent of the flamethrower?
lydia smith
Yes, but better.
tim pool
Yeah, no flamethrower for us.
This one's safe and family friendly.
It's levitating and spinning!
unidentified
How fun!
tim pool
Douglas Damschen says, Tim, I just want you to know I'm 21, and you, Daryl Davis, and Jordan Peterson are three people I hope to live up to one day.
You're my personal hero.
Wow, thank you.
I really appreciate it, man.
I just sit on the internet and read news all day and then complain about it.
OMG Puppy says, there were eight presidents before George Washington under the Articles of Confederation.
Interesting.
We don't often talk about that, but that's interesting.
Dan Fitzpatrick says, interested in challenging my own bias.
Invite Kyle Kalinske sometime.
Otherwise, I vote talking with Dan Bongino.
He's months ahead of MSM Stories.
Kyle Kalinske's great.
I think he's a good dude.
I think we just disagree on certain things, probably because we read different sources, and I probably think I'm right, and a lot of things he says are wrong, and he probably says the same thing about me, but I think he's an honest and good dude, and I think he has a good channel.
I think he's a cool dude.
Really?
They have a pro cuties piece?
That seems weird.
lydia smith
As far as I could tell, it wasn't pro cuties so much as, like, pro look for nuance and stuff, which... Well, I'm not gonna watch that, so... Yeah, I'm not about that.
tim pool
that. M. Sheba says Seamus from Freedom Tunes would be a fun guest. He is always
welcome. Yes. Austin Skinner says, Hey, Tim, new listener.
What happens to Ted Wheeler in 5-10 years?
He seems hellbent on burning bridges in every cardinal direction.
Where does someone so universally hated go?
He walks into the ocean, just slowly submerging and never to be seen again.
lydia smith
Bye Ted!
tim pool
And then he goes and joins Atlantis, I suppose.
colin wright
Is he looking for a re-election or how does it work?
unidentified
I don't know.
colin wright
What he's doing.
tim pool
I don't know.
lydia smith
But he's also the police commissioner.
He's gonna flee the city?
tim pool
Alright, someone got me, someone got me.
They said this.
Honestly, Tim, it's Will Amet, not Will Amet.
Will Amet.
lydia smith
Will Amet?
tim pool
Will Amet.
lydia smith
That seems like splitting hairs.
tim pool
Will Amet.
No, I'll say it like that from now on.
FN says, I listen to you every morning over coffee.
Well, thank you for that.
Here we go.
Kevin C says, Poop.
People offended by offended people.
Glenn Beck, 2003.
There you go.
Will Rushing says, R and R Law YouTuber did a great legal breakdown on cuties.
I think there are real grounds for commercial sex trafficking charges.
Look him up.
Good job, Tim.
Wow, really interesting.
lydia smith
What's his name?
tim pool
R and R Law YouTuber.
lydia smith
Okay.
tim pool
Well, I think for once, it is about 10.05 or a little bit past 10 where we're supposed to end, so I don't know, you just want to shout out your Twitter or any other stuff you want to mention before we go?
colin wright
Swipe right.
That's my Twitter handle.
I think I already mentioned the book I'm working on, Reality's Last Stand.
tim pool
Swipe right.
W-R-I-G-H-T.
colin wright
W-R-I-G-H-T, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, because I typed in R-I-G-H-T like, oh, swipe right, you know.
colin wright
W. I think that's all I got.
tim pool
Right on, man.
Well, thanks for hanging out.
This has been fun.
Awesome.
Got to complain about science and academia and all that stuff, and I think we had a good time.
So make sure to follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and Parler at TimCast.
You can check out my other YouTube channels at youtube.com slash TimCast and youtube.com slash TimCastNews and of course you can follow at Sour Patch Lids.
Sour Patch L-Y-D-S.
We'll be back tomorrow!
Who do we have tomorrow?
Oh, we have... I know who we have, but I want you to say it.
lydia smith
We have Brandon Strock tomorrow.
tim pool
Brandon Strock is coming back.
lydia smith
Yes, he's coming back.
Brandon Strock 2.0.
He has a story for us.
tim pool
Brandon Strock got attacked.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
He did.
And it was a couple times, actually.
Black Lives Matter.
It was brutal.
It was bigoted.
lydia smith
It was.
tim pool
So he's going to come back and we're going to talk about what happened to him and his friends when they got attacked by Black Lives Matter and there were a bunch of other journalists there and they didn't care to run the story.
colin wright
Was that just recently?
tim pool
Yeah.
Like a week and a half ago.
So we wanted to have him back on so he can tell us all the stuff that was going down and he'll be back tomorrow and he's a very, very exuberant and fun guy.
lydia smith
Energetic.
tim pool
Banging on the table.
lydia smith
He's fun.
Super fun.
I'm glad he's coming back.
tim pool
So we'll be back tomorrow.
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