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Sept. 10, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - BLM Leftist Arrested For Igniting Wildfire, Democrats Say its Climate Change
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tim pool
how's it going everybody Welcome to the TimCast IRL Podcast.
We got some crazy news right now.
I feel like we have a confirmation on this story.
A Black Lives Matter leftist arrested for starting a fire.
I don't believe it's arson.
It may actually be, but we've got these wildfires sweeping across the West Coast.
And this story is crazy, but I've pieced a bunch of things together.
There's other people who have already worked on this story.
For some reason local outlets aren't giving out the guy's name, but you put two and two together like a, you know, like a Sudoku puzzle.
You can put the numbers up.
We see this guy is actually a Black Lives Matter.
He had been arrested previously at a protest years ago.
There's videos of him at various protests.
I don't know, I don't think it means he's like a dedicated hardcore kind of like Black Lives Matter person, and we don't know if it's arson, But because this is kind of, like, going crazy, and now there's apparently, like, armed dudes coming out and guarding these dry areas, we definitely gotta talk about this.
So today, I'm hanging out with my friends.
We got, uh, my buddy Ian.
ian crossland
Well, hello, everyone.
tim pool
That's, uh, that's Ian.
And then, of course, that's our petulance hanging out.
lydia smith
Yes, hello, how's it going?
tim pool
And we're gonna talk about this, because if you Google search the wildfires, what are they saying?
Climate change.
lydia smith
Hmm.
tim pool
Yeah.
And I'm sure some of it is related.
You know, I personally believe we've got issues with, you know, just... I think climate change is a serious issue.
However, you cannot ignore the fact that we have a lot... I pulled up a lot of stories, man.
ian crossland
Nice.
tim pool
A lot of arson.
No joke.
ian crossland
Awesome, I guess.
tim pool
Not fun, but it's... So this story about the Antifa guy...
Might not be arson, but there's many many other stories that are and they and they bring it up
So I'm telling you man. There are people literally out there right now
Starting fires. I don't think they're all intentional. It's probably people flicking cigarettes
There's literally stories of like people spraying accelerant and oh my gosh lighting things up man. Yeah, dude
So we got some other news, too.
Considering the kind of, I don't know, man, this story's, it's kind of crazy, right?
People getting riled up about this.
We're also hearing now the Oath Keepers have been suspended from Twitter.
lydia smith
That is correct, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, for violating their rules on extremism and stuff like that.
And then we got some other stories to some, well, they banned tear gas in Portland.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Again.
lydia smith
Ted Wheeler.
tim pool
Again, I guess.
And then some kid, I guess he accidentally went to school.
Was it an accident?
lydia smith
No, he was being defiant.
unidentified
A kid was protesting by going to school.
ian crossland
Good for him.
tim pool
He got arrested.
lydia smith
He got arrested for showing up to class.
tim pool
Yeah, dude.
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Let's just, uh, let's hop into this first story.
We got a lot to talk about.
Check this out.
First, from Kero7.
Live, local, in-depth.
They say, So, there's a lot we gotta break down.
First, they don't say who the person is, and they don't say it was intentionally lit, alright?
And of the same age!
Pulley up police and state troopers arrested a 36 year old pulley up man Wednesday for allegedly starting a large
brush fire which temporarily shut down state route 167 and
several ramps near Meridian Avenue.
A man with the exact same name as the one police arrested recorded a Facebook live of that fire saying he reported it
to first responders and of the same age.
So I wonder if it's the same person.
Pulley up police told Cairo 7 that they were made aware of the
Facebook Live which showed his interaction with officers after the arrest.
After the arrest?
unidentified
Whoa!
tim pool
He says, I'm out here on 167 right now, the man said in the stream.
Looks like a fire literally just started and I just rolled up on it and it looks like it's going crazy.
I'm here with the police and they're talking to me about it because I just called it in.
Now that's the gist of that story, alright?
We gotta read more because they mentioned there was a person was seen intentionally lighting a fire somewhere else.
So first of all, a lot of people are saying it's intentional.
We don't know that, but we do have this- I think we do have the tweet here.
Check this out.
Trooper Ryan Burke tweeted, Okay, hold on.
People are correcting us here.
PD and Pully Up PD just arrested a 36 year old Pully Up resident. I think I
lydia smith
hope okay. Okay, hold on. People are correcting us here. It's Poo-Yul-Up.
unidentified
Poo-Yul-Up. I was saying Pully Up. There's not even an L in there. Yeah, there's the L comes later.
tim pool
Um, um, I just should read these words. Yeah, it's a crazy, it's a crazy name. Poo-Yul-Up resident.
He was caught in the median setting a fire.
He is currently on his way to jail.
Great job, everybody.
Play stupid games.
Alright, now hold on.
They said he was setting a fire.
That sounds like Arsene.
lydia smith
Yeah, it sure does.
Is that not the definition of arson?
tim pool
I guess.
lydia smith
Am I crazy?
tim pool
Well, the definition is the criminal act of deliberately setting fire to property.
Oh, there you go.
It's not property because... It's literally property.
lydia smith
I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
tim pool
You can't, like, own property, man.
You know, we abolish property, therefore you can't have arson.
ian crossland
Dude, fire is, like, mass destruction.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Like, this is, if someone set off a nuclear bomb, they'd go to jail for, like, Much worse.
tim pool
These wildfires, like, yeah dude, this guy was like...
That...
They're lucky it didn't spread.
Cause you look at this photo and that was a huge, that's a big fire.
It's not the biggest, but it was a large fire.
And I gotta say right now, look, they're saying...
He was setting a fire.
Now that's, they gotta be very careful about what they say.
So all we know right now, officially confirmed, some people are saying...
They're posting some photos of what appears to be...
Like court, or like police records.
I could not verify them.
In these records it says something like reckless second degree fire or something.
Which may have been, what's reckless?
Flicking a cigarette?
ian crossland
Right, something like that.
tim pool
I can't confirm that's real though.
So all we have right now is this cop saying that he was setting a fire.
So let's talk about who this guy is first.
We have this tweet from Katie Davis Court.
She says, Puyallup arrested Jeffrey Accord in relation to the arson along 167 Highway.
In 2014, during an anti-police protest, Accord was charged with possession of a concealed weapon without permit, carrying a knife, and illegal possession of fireworks.
I wonder what the fireworks were for?
Well, she posted this video.
She says, earlier in the day, Jeffrey Accord called in his own arson, Puyallup PD.
He even filmed himself at the fires on Facebook Live.
After questioning him, the Puyallup Police Department arrested him on suspicion that he started the fires.
So I actually, I went to his Facebook page, sure enough, there's the guy, and yes, I legit, like, we confirmed, he posted this.
So, here's a story from the local news, Seattle Times.
When you Google search this guy's name, this is what you get.
They say Jeffrey Allen Accord, 31, was charged Wednesday in Seattle Municipal Court with possession of a concealed pistol without a permit, carrying a dangerous knife, and illegal possession of fireworks.
They say that he was at Monday's Ferguson protest in Seattle, had a cachet of weapons, I guess it's a cash cachet?
We were just talking about this.
ian crossland
Yeah, a cachet.
tim pool
A cachet of weapons including a handgun, knife, shotgun, semi-automatic rifle, ammunition, and powerful fireworks.
They go on to mention, A court of Covington was among five people arrested during the march and protest Monday in Seattle after a Missouri grand jury decided not to indict a police officer for fatally shooting an unarmed black man.
Protesters marched from Westlake Park to Capitol Hill, and some later clashed with police and climbed onto Interstate 5, blocking traffic.
During the violence, fireworks were fired into the sky, and police say they were pelted with rocks, bottles, and canned food.
Seattle Police Chief Kathleen O'Toole said it's unclear why Accord had the weapons.
I don't know what his plans were, but it's obviously of great concern that somebody would come to an event in Seattle with those weapons readily available.
Okay, so let's go back to the official confirmed source from Kero7, and they say, the guy said, I'm out here on 167 now.
I'm here with the police.
That's a quote.
They also say a man with the exact same name was arrested.
I can't imagine that someone of the exact same name was wandering around.
ian crossland
Very unlikely.
tim pool
Yeah, just like two guys, same age, same name, like, wow.
ian crossland
That'd be some multiple dimension stuff.
tim pool
So, I think for legal reasons they're saying it that way, but when you watch the actual stream he put out, that's a quote.
Like, they've quoted what he said.
This is the guy.
I think it is fair to say, beyond a reasonable doubt, this is the guy.
Now, whether or not he's guilty of intentionally setting fires, it isn't until proven guilty.
ian crossland
So, is this the same guy that at the end of that article they said another guy was standing on the side of the road lighting a fire?
tim pool
Somewhere else.
ian crossland
Oh, it's a different guy.
tim pool
We got a bunch of stories, man.
ian crossland
Dude.
tim pool
Yeah, this is crazy.
This is crazy.
I think that's what we have in terms of just like confirming this.
So I want to make sure there's a few things that are very very very clear before we start getting into the next bit because there's more, dude.
The important thing to talk about is First of all, it sounds like arson.
From the police.
I'm gonna put these important disclaimers out.
We don't know for sure.
They did not literally confirm the guy's name.
And it may not be that this guy is a dedicated Antifa dude.
Another important factor is, just because he got arrested in 2014, doesn't mean he's going out to all these protests.
We don't know, maybe he was.
ian crossland
Could just be a reckless guy.
tim pool
Right, he could be just a firebug.
He's a dude who likes to cause trouble, so he brought fireworks and guns to a protest for fun.
I looked at this guy's information. I did not see anything that would suggest he's a dedicated diehard leftist or
anything like that.
However, I have to err on the side of he's been to these protests, he's brought weapons to these protests.
There's other videos.
There's more videos that people have pulled from his Facebook where he's at protests and he's yelling.
Recently, actually.
He's at the George Floyd protest and he's yelling about, you know, six feet apart and he's laughing about it.
ian crossland
Oh, right.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
That was very strange.
tim pool
Well, actually, I got to stop there.
They're alleging that's the case.
I want to be very careful with here.
ian crossland
They don't know it's him.
tim pool
So some people have posted videos saying, here he is, we pulled this from his Facebook.
And it's him laughing and filming himself.
It looks like him, but I want to be very careful.
Because I think, you know, this is already making the rounds, this story.
And people are saying, it's legit, it's confirmed.
It's not, it's not, it's not.
So, it seems like this guy does support Black Lives Matter, he's protested with them before, and I have to assume he's probably done it more than once because we've seen, you know, potential evidence as more than one.
So, there you go, there you go, alright?
This is what I want to make sure is clear.
The bigger issue at play, I believe, is that if you do a Google search, of wildfire and climate change.
You'll see all of these stories where they say, New York Times, the straightforward link between climate change and California's fires.
Yeah, perhaps.
I'm not discrediting that.
I'm just saying that there's a big narrative that everything we're seeing is, you know, wildfires and weather extremes.
It's not coincidence.
It's climate change.
Wildfires are worsening.
The way we manage them isn't keeping pace.
California governor on wildfires.
No patience for climate change deniers.
Well, I certainly think that's an issue.
If they don't address the arsonists, then I think you're going to get a group of people who say it's not climate change, it's arson.
And then you're going to get a group of people who don't even know the arson is happening.
It's both, right?
It's totally possible, yeah.
I think it's fair to say there's a happy medium.
Well, I shouldn't say it's a horrifying medium.
ian crossland
It's terrible.
tim pool
Not a happy medium.
You've got people who want to start fires, and there's conditions being met because of climate change that make the fire substantially worse.
But you've got to address the arsonists.
Check this out.
They also go on to say, after this, In Graham, a person was seen intentionally setting a fire to a field in front of a business in the 10-400 block of 229 SE early Wednesday morning.
This was 100% intentional.
There is zero doubt, said Jonas Petit, the owner of VacTech Septic and Water.
Surveillance shows the suspect drive up, dumping gasoline and a match, setting fire to dry grass next to the business.
Pierce County detectives have the video which doesn't show the suspect or the vehicle, but Petit says it does show a random act of potential devastation.
You watch the flame, and then where he flips it, and it just goes boom, big ball of flame, he said.
Firefighters and a lack of wind kept the flames from destroying their business only a few yards beyond the burn.
If the wind would have been blowing like it was the other night, you wouldn't have stopped this.
It would have added up onto the other fire in Graham, Petit said.
The area is only a couple miles from the Graham fire which destroyed eight homes.
And they go on to show the trooper, of course.
So there's more, man.
We got another one.
ian crossland
Give it to me.
tim pool
We got another one from Kiro7 News.
lydia smith
Seriously?
tim pool
Look at this.
This is from today.
Second man arrested for intentionally starting brush fire in Pierce County.
This is Parkland, Washington.
Troopers at the Washington State Patrol on Thursday said they have arrested a second person for intentionally starting a brush fire in Pierce County.
Troopers said someone saw a man setting fire to grass with a match near State Route 512 and State Route 7 and called police.
Troopers arrived at the scene, chased the man, and took him into custody.
Wow.
Thursday's arrest comes one day after a 36-year-old Puyallup man was arrested for allegedly starting a large brush fire, which temporarily shut down 167.
That's the story we were just talking about.
Fire danger remains very high across Washington.
Due to low humidity and high temperatures, more than 480,000 acres in Washington have burned since Monday.
So, here's another tweet from Trooper Ryan Burke.
We got another one.
Great job, Trooper Morfield.
A pedestrian decided to match light the grass at SR-512 and SR-7.
Citizen observed at an alerted 911 after a short foot chase.
One is in custody and on the way to jail.
What if I told you we had more?
But wait, there's more!
Arsonists, for some reason, are trying to just destroy everything, man.
ian crossland
It's copycat criminality.
tim pool
No, I don't know, man.
It's like the Joker.
ian crossland
Or it's the collective consciousness is sparking, you know, bad analogy.
tim pool
I don't know, man.
I think it's, you take a large population of people, and there's a standard deviation, you know, of people who happen to be arsonists.
So, like, for every thousand people, you have one arsonist?
What happens when you have a million people?
You have a thousand arsonists?
And then they're all going around?
ian crossland
Yeah, I mean, that's the assumption.
tim pool
Scaling up.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
So maybe it's like every one in ten thousand?
Even if it's one in a million.
In these areas, you'll have four or five.
ian crossland
And when they see stories online about it, then they're like, oh, I could go do that?
I mean, that's a crazy...
If you read an article, how easy it is to go out there and destroy property.
unidentified
You see how dry it is.
ian crossland
You don't even have to stick around, you know.
Look at this.
This is terrorism to me, and I don't like to use that word a lot.
tim pool
I don't know.
I don't know.
Terrorism is like, there's a goal, a political goal.
unidentified
It has to be politically motivated.
ian crossland
This is terrifying, though.
unidentified
This could destroy thousands of people.
lydia smith
It has, yeah.
ian crossland
Their homes, their lives, their animals.
unidentified
Yeah, the roads, the everything, the whole forest, the ecosystem.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
So I don't know if it's terrorism, but I just got another story, man.
Go for it.
What is this?
Look at this.
lydia smith
So we have two different locations in Oregon and Seattle.
tim pool
Now we have Eugene.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
So, no, those two were in Washington, weren't they?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Now we have one in Eugene.
A man arrested on arson allegation in wildfire west of Eugene, deputies say.
Look at this photo, man.
The Sweet Creek Milepost 2 fire seen in an undated photo.
So is this... No, that's not it.
That's not it?
unidentified
Uh-oh.
tim pool
Why not?
lydia smith
Because that's an undated photo.
They're talking about maybe a large fire in the area.
tim pool
Undated photo just means they don't know when it was taken.
So it could be the fire.
unidentified
Maybe.
lydia smith
You'd think that would be dated though.
Sorry, I'll let you read.
tim pool
A 44-year-old man was arrested Tuesday on suspicion of arson in a wildfire that has burned nearly 400 acres and prompted evacuations west of Eugene.
Elias Newton Pendlegrass is accused of first-degree arson in the Sweet Creek Milepost 2 fire, which covers 382 acres near the community of Mapleton.
Pendlegrass, a Mapleton resident, is being held in the Lane County Jail.
The county sheriff's office didn't provide details about the arson allegation in a news release Tuesday afternoon.
Officials have previously said several fires started Sunday afternoon, and that they were managing the blazes as a single fire.
Some area residents are still under evacuation, while others have been told to be ready or set to leave.
The blaze is estimated to be 15% contained, fire officials said early Wednesday.
So what do you think happens when these stories start, you know, flying off the shelves, the virality?
People, I mean, we're in a hot political environment.
It is, it's 2020, the election is less than, you know, two months away.
And everybody is pointing the fingers, which is why we end up with a headline like, you know, BLM leftists arrested for starting a fire.
For one, to what degree are they an active, you know, they are, they've supported and protested for them, so I think that's fair.
But, uh, they're not necessarily an organizer.
Was it actually arson?
I don't know.
I don't know.
But we're already seeing the ramifications of this.
And here we go.
Check this out.
Justin Yao.
He's, uh, at PDocumentarians, and he's a freelance journalist, tweeted, So here's the image.
You can see fire season in effect.
All burning prohibited.
to leave. They are wary of outsiders based on rumors of arsonists setting fires in the
area.
So here's the image. You can see fire season in effect, all burning prohibited, fire danger
listed as extreme. And there's, there's, we can see one guy right here who's armed.
This guy doesn't appear to be, maybe he's got a handgun or something.
This guy right here might actually be armed, also we can't see, we don't know for sure.
But the way, you know what I think when I see this?
They don't want outsiders coming in, there's major fires and a massive natural disaster occurring.
Why, should I be upset by them saying, you know?
lydia smith
I don't think so.
So what, what occurred to me when I saw this picture was that these guys don't want people to come in and start fires.
tim pool
I know, it's that simple, right?
lydia smith
Yeah, and I'm not convinced firing guns is a good way to keep fires from starting, but I mean, they probably think it's better than nothing.
They're like, just like, stay out, stay out of the national forest or whatever.
tim pool
So, if this was any other disaster, would we be surprised?
You know, if there was like a flood, or a hurricane, or a tornado, and then, you know, there were armed guards like, we don't want looters, we don't want... You know what I mean?
ian crossland
No, especially with a flood.
If there were armed guards, I think they'd be very normal.
tim pool
So the responses to this are really interesting.
Some of them, and it's kind of random, they're saying, and so this is turning into a partisan political issue.
like far-right Chandler Pappas are spreading the rumors on social media.
And so this is turning into a partisan political issue.
lydia smith
Why should this be partisan?
tim pool
Oh my gosh, why?
Because I just started a stream with a title saying BLM left this.
Because it's the lens that which everything is being based right now.
And for me, I guess I'll fully admit to there being an issue of like doing this live stream from this headline.
But, it's because I see these posts getting a ton of traction.
A lot of articles are popping up.
People were contacting me, being like, yo, look what they're doing!
Like, Antifa's going around setting fires on purpose!
And I'm like, okay, maybe... First, I started researching it.
It took me a little bit to actually confirm a lot of what they were saying, and I've excluded some of what I couldn't confirm.
But it looks legit, like this guy was a protester, but people are taking it to, you know, like, I don't know, taking it pretty far.
ian crossland
Yeah, he was a radical protester.
Whether or not, whatever political party, that kind of radical protest is dangerous, where you take guns, weapons, and fireworks to a rally and try and set stuff on fire, like they did at Ted Wheeler's house, like, two weeks ago, trying to set the guy's house on fire.
tim pool
Well, that was a complex.
A whole building with like 100 people in it?
114 residences or something.
ian crossland
They're gonna burn them to death.
That was their plan.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's a good plan.
I don't know.
tim pool
I know, I shouldn't laugh, but it's like, it's that, that's that, yeah, dude.
Well, it's tough, right?
Because I don't want to come out and be like, people listen, the Antifa's are going around, they're burning down forests.
Like, you've got people who broke through the windows and then someone lit a bunch of newspapers on fire and threw it on the first floor of Ted Wheeler's building.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
So, naturally, you can say, they were trying to burn the place down, right?
lydia smith
Looks like it.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Or what if they were just morons?
ian crossland
It was a newspaper, so like, what are you gonna get done?
tim pool
It was like a stack, though.
ian crossland
I mean, you could... They were definitely morons.
tim pool
You could burn a building down.
ian crossland
No judgment.
But that's not a good thing to do right now.
lydia smith
Yeah, seriously.
ian crossland
You can get your point across in many other ways.
Write a song.
tim pool
But maybe they don't want the point across, maybe they want to kill people.
ian crossland
Why, though?
tim pool
Well, so, this is what I'm trying to say, like, I'm really reluctant to be like, they were trying to kill people.
ian crossland
But they were trying to burn them.
tim pool
Weren't they trying to kill people?
ian crossland
In their house.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah, it seems like they were trying to kill everyone.
Like, they're that angry that they're gonna... At least negligent.
tim pool
But I wonder, because here's why I'm reluctant to actually go that far, because I've talked about what happens when they show up, when the mob shows up to your house.
And what happens is, one person, like, here's what happens at Ted Wheeler's place.
Someone runs up and throws a brick through the window and it shatters.
And then he runs away.
And then other people see him, when he's running up to it before he throws it, they're like, oh, I'm gonna walk up too.
He throws the brick, it shatters, and it runs, and then someone looks through the window.
Someone- people behind him see him going towards the window like he's gonna go in, and they go in, and one by one, it's like an avalanche.
Each individual is just doing a little- a little incremental thing and leaving, but the whole group is moving, and then all of a sudden they're inside, then someone looks over and they see like, you know, some thing, they take it, and then people see him grabbing something, so they all start grabbing stuff, and then some dude chucks the flaming debris that's- someone else lights debris on fire, someone sees it and chucks it into the building and runs off.
So they're all doing a little bit to like stack up.
ian crossland
I think these people are desensitized because of, I don't know why, because they've been exposed as a five-year-old to pornography or violent video games and their minds are all like, I can light stuff on fire and then reload the game later if it doesn't work out.
lydia smith
Interesting.
I don't know.
tim pool
I think there's no, there's no punishment.
I think people like these, you know, it's crazy.
It's like, aren't they scared of going to prison?
You know?
ian crossland
I don't know.
It's almost like they're not.
Well, I mean, the people that were faking, I mean, I don't know that they were faking having, what was it?
Seizures?
Yeah.
They might've been afraid of going and that's why they were faking a seizure.
tim pool
I don't know, man.
It's little kids having temper tantrums.
ian crossland
That's what it seems like to me.
tim pool
So the context here is, yeah, like during the riots, there were people who were, when they get arrested, they have these Hollywood-style seizures.
And anybody who's ever actually witnessed a seizure is like, that is not a seizure.
You are acting something you saw in a movie.
lydia smith
Seizures are not dramatic.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, so like there's like a video of and but that the EMTs and the medics will hold their heads properly Just because they're like, you know, and it's really funny man.
I it's so it's so annoying You got this video of an actual EMT with armor and like, you know, he's cities you sanctioned gear he's holding the man's head doing everything properly because I like this is the basis of what I was trained when I did the first aid training and hostile environment stuff and The activists are yelling you need to turn him on his side.
You need to turn his head.
What are you doing?
And I'm like Why are you, random protester, yelling at the emergency medical professional what they should be doing with someone who might be having a seizure?
ian crossland
Wow.
Because they saw it on TV, I think.
lydia smith
Probably, yeah.
tim pool
And that's why people are doing the fake seizures, because they're acting like what they saw on TV.
ian crossland
What is going on?
tim pool
Man, it's like...
Why are they allowing these people to do it, is the bigger question.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's like they don't want to shut it down without allowing them, because it's the United States.
You want to give people the right to protest, and if that means that you trip and fall and break someone's arm while you're protesting, so be it.
But then now they're like aggravating, like they're attempting to destroy people's arms and buildings.
unidentified
The police?
ian crossland
No, the protesters.
tim pool
Oh yeah, for sure.
ian crossland
And at that point, I don't know why they're letting it happen.
tim pool
I don't know, man.
I'd love to get conspiratorial.
lydia smith
Do it.
tim pool
Just like the district attorneys in Washington are in on Antifa and won't charge them?
ian crossland
That'd be crazy.
tim pool
It's not even conspiratorial.
They've said that much.
We're not going to charge them.
So what we're seeing in Portland with these riots, and they've actually chilled out quite a bit.
So I don't know if you guys have been, I think we've all been kind of following what's going on.
And for those that are listening, the people in Portland last night, Dance party.
ian crossland
That's awesome.
tim pool
That's it.
And I'm like, I'm like, bravo, everybody.
It's amazing.
Thank you for the dance party.
I reported on it.
I said it was really great.
You did that.
And I wondered, where are the extremists?
They've been out there for a hundred and something nights.
And all of a sudden, the past couple of nights, everything kind of just, you know, dance partied out.
ian crossland
It's federal, right?
The feds came in and they deputized the cops and then snatched up the terrorists.
It's time.
tim pool
Plucked them out.
And now all that's left is a bunch of dance, a dance party.
All right.
So what ends up happening with these district attorneys and these other jurisdictions is that you have a big group of regular people, and then you have some extremists.
The extremists start the fight, but they tell everybody to wear all black.
So when the cops were going in and trying to arrest, like, they'll see someone throw an explosive, right?
The cops will run in and grab the person and say, we don't know if this is the person who threw that because they all are wearing the same thing.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
So they charge them with interfering with a peace officer or something like that, or disorderly.
The DA then says, so you don't actually know what they did?
I can't charge them with this.
Free to go!
ian crossland
I would have a similar thing where if I would drop a piece of food on the ground, I'd look around and if I couldn't find it, I'd just pick up one little piece of trash and throw it away.
One for one.
tim pool
So what you're saying is you're violating the rights of that garbage?
ian crossland
I did.
tim pool
It was not in fact your garbage?
No, but the point is the tactic of Antifa is to confuse the police and become impossible to identify.
ian crossland
How do you get around that?
tim pool
They tried charging them with conspiracy in DC in 2017.
ian crossland
The ones that would get in the way?
tim pool
So the cops just arrested all of them, and then charged them all with conspiracy.
ian crossland
Okay, that's heavy-handed.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know what you do, man.
ian crossland
Well, if you're out there wearing black, you're allowed to do that.
tim pool
You know what you're doing.
No, that's rough.
ian crossland
It seems like you're signing up for something.
tim pool
Look, let's say you go for a jog and you're wearing black sweatpants, or let's say you're wearing an Adidas tracksuit and a hoodie or something.
You're going to look very, very similar to the rest of them.
And so they're going to arrest everybody and they're going to say, no, look how he's dressed.
He's in on it.
You can't, you can't arrest somebody for that.
ian crossland
You're not supposed to wear black and white.
tim pool
In D.C.
it was during the day.
ian crossland
Yeah, you can't arrest everybody.
That's not the way to do it.
tim pool
They arrested like 200 and something people.
And then the charges all basically, look, some people pled guilty, pleaded guilty.
They were like, it's easier, they thought they were gonna get in trouble and it was gonna be bad.
So the cops, the state ended up getting a handful of these people, but then everyone else stood their ground and said no, and then the charges all just got dismissed.
Because the judge did the same thing, it's like, you have no evidence this person did anything wrong.
You can't, just because they're wearing a hoodie, and the argument from the prosecutors, I don't know if this is their exact argument, but the general idea is, if they tell everyone, wear all black so that we get away with crimes, You're aiding and abetting all these crimes and you pre-planned it.
ian crossland
There was a guy, I saw a video where he was like, we don't want to record anyone doing crimes.
And then the guy went up and like, did a crime or something.
lydia smith
That sounds right.
ian crossland
We don't want to record this.
tim pool
Have you seen that video of the kids getting arrested at one of the protests and they're like crying and freaking out?
ian crossland
No, I don't think so.
tim pool
But the girl was wearing a shirt that said, be gay, do crimes.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
And it's like a meme thing, like do crimes.
It's like you say something and say do crimes.
It's like, dude, they don't understand what it means to do crimes.
Like, they've not grown up in any world with any kind of discipline.
And so what happens is, it's crazy.
You grow up in the city and you actually see, like the inner city stuff, and you see some dude running down the street full speed and the cops tackle him and then throw him in a police car.
You're like, wow, I don't want that to happen.
But if you grow up never seeing it, what do you get?
You get these videos of these women in New York going, Or effing what to the cops.
ian crossland
Oh, that was great.
tim pool
And the cop grabs her and just pulls her like, oh, help, help!
ian crossland
Justice.
lydia smith
Vindication, seriously.
ian crossland
You know, if it's a bad law, then I think it's your duty as a sovereign human to violate it and cause a crime, which is crazy.
But if it's a vicious, like, immoral law that some corrupt government put into place, you kind of have to commit a crime.
tim pool
Maybe that's too absolute, though.
ian crossland
Nazi Germany, for instance, they had horrible laws that people had to violate and became criminals just to do the right thing.
tim pool
And there's a really good point about, there's like a protest sign, and the left loves to prop these things up, where it was like, the Nazis were acting legally, and the people who were helping the Jews escape were the criminals.
So absolutely, like, yeah, just like law does not mean morality by any means.
But I say absolute because maybe sometimes there's unjust laws and the appropriate response is like tactful legislation.
ian crossland
Petitioning your legislation to change the law.
tim pool
Yeah, like something dumb.
I don't know, there could be some dumb law about computer programs and labor rights or something.
ian crossland
Jaywalking.
tim pool
Like if you think, I guess the challenge there why I say it's you gotta be careful about how absolute you go is because some people are gonna be like, I believe that taxes are, you know.
ian crossland
Oh yeah, like making their own moral justification.
tim pool
And then they go and do something crazy.
ian crossland
Right.
Law and order is so important.
tim pool
I believe I have a right to, you know, and they insert nonsensical psychotic.
ian crossland
I guess it's why we put so much faith in our lawmakers and why having these almost like clowns dance around and in office for 40 years disassociated from the populace is so detrimental to people's psyche right now and why they're out there.
They don't know if they should or shouldn't.
tim pool
A lot of these leftists think that the logic you just said, they have to stop these unjust laws.
So they're going out and they're throwing explosives and starting fires and attacking people.
Because they think they're in Nazi Germany.
ian crossland
But what laws are the unjust that you know?
tim pool
I mean... They literally think police shouldn't exist.
ian crossland
Oh, that's... no, okay, that's extreme.
tim pool
Right, but imagine you have a large group of people saying that it's unjust to have police incarcerating people.
ian crossland
That's crazy.
tim pool
So they go and they're like, abolish the police!
ian crossland
Then they need to study mercenary warfare before we invented standing armies.
unidentified
They need to study, seriously.
ian crossland
Because the mercenaries would be hired to cause chaos, they would, and then when the war would end, they'd go cause more chaos so they'd get hired by the other side to go stop it.
tim pool
And it was... That sounds like, um, the premise to... Actually, it sounds like the premise to Iron Man 1 and 3.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, have you guys seen... You've seen them both, right?
ian crossland
I saw the first one.
tim pool
Yeah, the first one is, uh, the bad guy, what's his name?
Ironmonger Obadiah.
He's dealing weapons to the terrorists.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
So, you know, so that he can get what he wants or whatever, but then he's also making weapons you know, for the United States, so he's double dealing.
And Tony's like, are we double dealing?
But then you literally have in Iron Man 3, the bad guy, Aldrich Killian,
is like, I'll have the president and the world's most powerful terrorist, I'll own the war
on terror.
I'm like, that's like the same plot from the first one with a different villain.
ian crossland
Oh, how cheap.
His name's Killian, too.
tim pool
It's like so, so cliche.
Anyway, the point is, you've got people who think they're... This is a serious challenge.
You know what the ethical conundrum is?
That if the Nazis won, then everything they did would be called just.
ian crossland
Isn't that nuts?
tim pool
It's scary.
It's very scary.
ian crossland
And like, what world are we living in?
Did our ancient ancestors win and they were the bad guys?
tim pool
Bro, do you know about the Japanese experiments in World War II?
A little bit.
And we just, what was it, Operation Paperclip?
You know about that?
ian crossland
That's when we brought a bunch of scientists from Nazi Germany into the U.S.
to continue their work.
tim pool
So we were more than willing to be like, we'll take all of what you got.
lydia smith
We need smart people.
ian crossland
Science first.
tim pool
Dude, what's that unit in Japan?
lydia smith
Uh, 741?
Was that what it was?
tim pool
Or 471?
lydia smith
Was that what it was?
Let me double check, yeah.
tim pool
They would, like, take someone's arm and put it through a hole in, like, a crate or something, into, like, a refrigerator or something, to watch it freeze in real time to see what would happen.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Yeah, dude.
unidentified
Jeez.
tim pool
They did really creepy stuff.
ian crossland
And this is just the stuff we know about.
Right.
Since radio and television were invented.
lydia smith
Like, before that, before... Oh, it was way worse.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh, the wheel, the way they would torture and execute people, like, 400 years ago.
You should look up the wheel.
It's such a digit.
unidentified
They would tie people to a rack and then break their arms on the wheel.
lydia smith
Exactly.
So if you're interested in that, okay, I was totally wrong about the number of the unit.
It's unit 731.
731.
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
And then, yeah, so much, so much torture.
It's amazing that we have peace at all.
Like, people don't understand peace is the anomaly.
tim pool
I was reading that a lot of what we know about hypothermia, we only know because of that, was it 731?
lydia smith
731, holy cow.
tim pool
Yeah, that we took their research.
And so it benefited us, but the human exploitation and experimentation and all that stuff happened.
So, anyway, look, I think a reasonable human being hears a story of, like, scientists putting humans into, like, torture devices to watch their bones break, and we're like, yo, that's evil stuff!
Or they're, like, you know, taking people for no reason other than their ethnic background and loading them on trains, and we're like, dude!
And then you have police who are like, please stop burning down the neighborhood, and they're like, we live in a fascist dictatorship!
unidentified
No.
ian crossland
It'd be a hard job to be a cop.
I've never been a cop.
I don't know if you guys have.
I mean, I don't think either of you guys have ever been cops.
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
So go out there and be afraid someone's going to fire on you to shoot you, basically, if you don't shoot them first.
tim pool
A cop got shot in the head in Vegas.
And he's paralyzed now.
ian crossland
This is crazy!
What a crazy job!
And I don't want robots to do it, because the robot is gonna be on automatic, and it's gonna be like, you are guilty, or whatever.
tim pool
I don't know though, I don't know though.
Because the robot's not gonna have to use lethal force, because the robot's not alive.
ian crossland
Indestructible.
tim pool
I mean, not indestructible, but the robot doesn't need to fear for its own destruction.
ian crossland
That's a good point.
tim pool
It can be repaired inside a person, so the robot can have only less lethals and be effective.
ian crossland
That's a good point.
tim pool
However, a robot's not gonna chase down a dude hopping fences.
ian crossland
Well...
Have you seen those Boston Dynamics?
unidentified
Oh, dude, I do not want to live in that world.
ian crossland
But what if it's only for just?
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no.
It's going to turn around and be like, it's going to face a recognition you and it's going to go, Ian Crosland, you have jaywalked.
unidentified
I didn't mean to drop the paint.
tim pool
You have jaywalked for the last time.
ian crossland
Yeah, one time I was in LA, I was driving down a hill at night and it was raining and I was moving fast down the hill and the light turned yellow and I hit my brakes but I was gonna skid and I didn't know if someone was coming behind me so I just, it turned red and I just went through it because it was the safe thing to do.
If I slammed on my brakes and someone came behind me it would have been an accident.
lydia smith
Robot cop would arrest you.
ian crossland
The camera took a picture of my car and sent me a ticket but a cop wouldn't have.
A cop would have been like, you did the right thing.
tim pool
And I've had a friend who got a ticket in the mail for blowing a red light, and they show you the picture of you doing it, and it was basically a comic of someone doing a legal right turn on red.
It was like, you see the car pull up, stop, and then the next panel's just waiting, and then it's turning to the right.
ian crossland
Yeah, clerical error alone is... I mean, humans have clerical error, and that's kind of what there's these revolutions about right now.
tim pool
Think about what happens if... So if the robot has no lethal capabilities, and it can catch you, That might not be a bad thing.
ian crossland
Stun you?
tim pool
Because, what's the word?
ian crossland
Put you to sleep?
tim pool
But it might not need to do those things.
It can just grab you and you're like, ah, I can't get off this robot and I can't carry it, it's too heavy, what do I do?
ian crossland
Break a bone trying to get away.
I mean, but you might be right.
I mean, if you do that... Just subduction, is that the word?
Subduing people?
tim pool
Subduction.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Sounds right.
lydia smith
Maybe, I mean, kind of right, kind of wrong.
tim pool
Subduing people?
You know, so I guess the issue is...
Maybe it does make sense, and maybe it can be done better, because, like I mentioned, if the robot breaks, it's vandalism.
ian crossland
So cops could be in a VR helmet, like how drone pilots are, commanding their AI robot.
tim pool
Have you seen those things where it's like a cradle, where you strap on a harness, and then you stand to the VR gaming rig?
ian crossland
Oh no, let's get one.
tim pool
And you wear these special shoes, and you're in a bowl, and you- when you run, your feet slide.
lydia smith
Yes!
ian crossland
I love those things.
tim pool
So the cops have- so basically like, like the movie Surrogates.
ian crossland
I haven't seen it.
tim pool
So like, in Surrogates, everybody lays in this bed, and then connects their brain to a fake robot version of themselves.
unidentified
Yeah!
tim pool
And that's- it's- or maybe even like Ghost in the Shell.
Nah, that's still human- human, uh, acti- like- Right.
The problem with, like, a robot is that you're gonna be, like, on your way to your job, and you don't have money for bail, and you really need this interview, and the robot's gonna look at you and go, you blew the red light, Ian, and you go, I'm walking.
Submit!
I'm not driving, I didn't blow up.
Submit!
Submit!
And you're like...
ian crossland
It could be way worse.
tim pool
Who programs the robots?
lydia smith
I don't know.
ian crossland
We would have to be free software.
We would have to know the code.
On demand, you would have to be able to look at the robot's code, like, show me your badge number, show me your code to make sure it's not doing something faulty.
tim pool
The robot could maybe just hold you until a human officer showed up, but then you still have the problem of the human officer being like, look, I don't know what happened, I have to review the file, you're under arrest.
And then what if the robot malfunctions and it accuses you of like some really crazy crime?
ian crossland
I know, that's dystopia.
tim pool
But I guess they could review footage and then have to prove it.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Otherwise you get cut loose immediately.
You know what, this could be, like, there is a net benefit to the surveillance state that people often don't talk about.
Sure.
So I was reading this thing on Reddit about I think it was on Reddit, how they catch serial killers.
What was I watching?
I think I was watching Sherlock, the BBC one.
That show's pretty good, actually.
I'm gonna watch more of that.
ian crossland
It's a Benedict.
tim pool
Yeah, Benedict Cumberbatch.
ian crossland
Yeah, he's great.
tim pool
And they said, like, how would you go about catching a serial killer today?
And they said, what people don't realize is that it's actually really easy to... Oh, no, no, no.
I think I was watching... I was watching Red Dragon.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah, we just watched that.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And they were saying, why am I watching these similar color things?
I just watched Dexter.
No, I'm just kidding.
No, they said basically, when there's a car spotted, they just punch it in and they can pull up surveillance footage from a lot of things that are like networked and facial recognition.
And then they immediately are like, oh, look, we found out who was there.
And here's our suspect.
ian crossland
Fingerprints in general, man.
That was a huge leap forward in law enforcement that I think, for the most part, has done a lot of good for society.
Criminals are caught, you know, that otherwise would have just been in and out.
tim pool
Think about what the surveillance state can actually end up doing good.
I ultimately think the surveillance state is going to be really bad.
Because I think there's certain laws that have to be broken, and I'll talk about in a second.
But, uh, think about it this way.
We hear all these stories about innocent people getting charged and innocent people going on death row.
Imagine if a dude, you know, the cops show up to his house and say, the description, you know, of this murder, they said, you are the suspect.
And the guy goes, dude, I wasn't anywhere near there.
I was at work that day.
And they go, oh yeah?
Well, we're gonna check the surveillance network.
It looks like you were right.
Sorry to waste your time, sir.
And they leave.
So it can prove innocence.
People are worried about it because you'll be like found guilty or caught.
And I'm kind of like... There is something to be concerned about because we never get rid of laws.
ian crossland
Right.
That's the big problem.
It's so easy to make them relative to getting rid of them.
tim pool
So then how do you actually get rid of these laws?
ian crossland
I don't know.
You have to repeal them.
tim pool
People have to break them sometimes.
ian crossland
Or go, yeah, go to a state next to where it's illegal and do it until the people are pressured to change it where they are.
But if it's a federal thing, then how do you do that?
tim pool
Marijuana is a really good example.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I was talking to this hacker.
His name's Moxie Marlon Spike.
And he explained to me the problem with mass surveillance and a lack of secrecy and privacy is that people need to break the law to know when laws should be broken or should be repealed.
And he said marijuana is the best example.
If people weren't breaking the law by smoking it, Then how would they know they wanted it to be legal?
unidentified
That's a good point.
tim pool
So the problem then is not about whether you think marijuana should be legal or not legal.
It's that, illegal or not, is that we keep making new laws.
And when do we get rid of them?
My favorite is there's like, there are books about wacky laws.
I don't know if you've ever seen them.
ian crossland
A little bit.
tim pool
It's like, you can't take a shower on Tuesdays, you know, if it's sunny out or something like that.
ian crossland
You can't tie your goat up to stop signs.
lydia smith
Stuff like that.
That makes sense though.
tim pool
There was one where it was like, you can't make a cherry pie and put it on your window sill on Sunday afternoon.
ian crossland
Oh, because it's tempting.
tim pool
All the churchgoers, you don't want to... What happened to make these laws required?
lydia smith
These laws are interesting to me because you know there's really interesting stories behind all of that.
Like, why can't you put a cherry pie on your windowsill?
Why can't you tie a goat to a stop sign?
tim pool
And it's probably some law that was created just to appease, like, an angry old lady.
lydia smith
Probably.
tim pool
Like, her neighbor kept putting pies.
It was a Karen.
Yeah, her neighbor was attracting the local kids.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
So she went to, like, the local mayor.
lydia smith
Those darn kids.
unidentified
And was like, these kids keep coming because she's putting her pies up!
ian crossland
She knew somebody.
lydia smith
Yeah, she had connections.
tim pool
And the mayor's like, okay, how about you can make your pies, put them on the windowsill, but not on Sunday because we're gonna go to church and you don't want the kids coming around.
unidentified
Leave her alone!
tim pool
Fine.
Now there are these crazy laws.
There's like, there's a lot of the laws that are crazier about like water conservation.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Like you can't take a bath on this day at this time.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Something like that.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
And it's like we never got rid of those laws.
ian crossland
Oh, okay.
tim pool
But I, I, I, that's what, this is what judges are for.
Like if, if a cop kicked in your door, It's like, aha, taking a bath on Sunday at 4 p.m.
lydia smith
Oh, snap.
tim pool
Jimmy, lock him up.
The judge is gonna be like, get outta here, what is this?
ian crossland
There's some weird federal laws on the books right now, like ancient, you know, espionage.
Is it the Espionage Act?
Is that one that's like this old from like the 1780?
tim pool
Logan Act.
ian crossland
The Logan Act?
How old is that?
tim pool
1700, late 1700s, I think.
ian crossland
And it's one of the, I don't know much about it, but.
tim pool
It's that you can't represent, you can't, so this is what got Michael Flynn, and it's a bunk law because it's never been used.
You can't go to a foreign country and claim to represent the US
The law was made because we didn't have phones right if you if like if you went to Egypt and you like went
to a state building and you said you were like a Diplomat they'd be like they pick up their phone and be
like no you're not is Ian Cross on a diplomat
What are you doing here?
It's that simple.
There's no real concern about it.
You get charged on the Logan Act.
I'm not sure if the Logan Act applies to private citizens.
I think it does, right?
lydia smith
I'm not sure.
I don't think it does.
ian crossland
But like a congressman couldn't go to Egypt and be like, I'm here on behalf of the United States.
tim pool
I think that's it.
That's right.
Actually, yeah, I think they're not there on behalf of the United States.
You know what?
That's a good question, actually.
I know that, yeah, maybe it has to do with you're there as a part of a delegation that's confirmed and assigned versus you going there as a private citizen and negotiating.
There are some concerns about it, like, if Trump is negotiating some deal with, say, Iran, and then a senator flies to Iran and then undercuts that deal.
There's issues there.
But, like, the Logan Act is one of these laws that doesn't really make sense anymore.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Because they can make a phone call.
ian crossland
If they know you're a senator, you don't have to say you're a senator to go talk to some Israeli businessman.
I mean, so are you auto... just by nature of your title are you... If you DM someone on Twitter, is it...
Exactly, with the internet, like cross-border communication is just so natural now.
tim pool
So anyway though, back to the point before we go off into, you know, Wally World or whatever.
ian crossland
The stratosphere.
tim pool
Deep space.
What do we do to get rid of all these laws?
Should we have like a lawdit?
ian crossland
Yeah.
unidentified
And we go through all the laws, like this one's gotta go, this one's gotta go.
ian crossland
I'm gonna spin the UFO for that because we should do a lawdit and smash that like button if you like that word as much as I do.
unidentified
Lawdit.
tim pool
I'm adding it to the dictionary to speak.
No, but for real, yeah, we've got, uh... It seems like we only ever stack laws up.
ian crossland
Very much.
tim pool
Could you imagine a robot that enforced every single law?
ian crossland
It would be pure insanity.
tim pool
That'd be a really chaos.
ian crossland
It would probably have conflicting laws.
tim pool
Yeah, dude.
Yeah, definitely.
ian crossland
Especially when you do federal law and state law.
tim pool
I am federal.
ian crossland
I am state.
Robot warfare.
tim pool
They probably oh man well I mean that kind of exists today but could you imagine like
DEA robots encountering state police robots?
And warfare.
And then the robots are just fighting in the street because like the laws are different.
lydia smith
And the criminals are running around.
tim pool
Think about it this way.
With the kind of chaos we've seen where the states are going up against the federal government right now, like, say, Oregon, for instance, where the Attorney General sued the federal government, and they're saying, like, you can't do these things here.
We had a DA in Philly say that he would arrest feds if they came to enforce the law in Philly or something like that.
So what would happen if the state robots are programmed and they're like, don't allow anyone else to enforce the law.
Federals are not allowed to be here.
Then ATF or robots or like Federal Protective Service robots show up and then the robots like, I'm imagining those Boston Dynamics things and they like run and they see you and they're like, Citizen, you are in violation of, you know, City Ordinance Unlawful Assembly Declared.
ian crossland
You're freaking me out.
tim pool
And then the other robot runs up and goes, you know, like, Law Enforcement Unit 7369 Federal 234, you are in violation.
And they both start spouting code at each other.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And they both just grab each other and start shaking.
ian crossland
Interface.
And they're like, zzzz.
And then they start zzzz.
tim pool
And then one climbs on top of the other and now there's two robots and they're running around.
unidentified
Oh, it's crazy.
ian crossland
I think you're right because if there's bad laws and a robot has to enforce that, that is bad news.
Humans are like, I know it's bad.
I'm not going to enforce it.
Like you see cops, they were like... Well, in theory.
In theory.
tim pool
I don't know about that.
ian crossland
Okay, maybe you're right though.
Maybe it's actually like an anomaly when a human disenforces a bad law.
tim pool
I mean, you've got these cops in Virginia saying, the sheriffs, we're not going to enforce these gun control measures.
You know, they're violations of the Second Amendment.
And they started setting up these sanctuary jurisdictions.
That's the police being like, I will not cross that line.
But if we did robots, then you could just be like, here's the law update.
And then you're like, it's like a gigabyte file of all these crazy laws.
lydia smith
Yeah, yeah.
So this could be like how they do plane manuals.
Because instead of carrying really big, thick books around now, pilots just have these tablets that they carry with them, and before every single flight, the manual for the whole plane is updated, and they can look through it if they need to.
tim pool
So imagine, like, you're standing next to a robot, and you're like, uh, you're like, Robot!
Inquiry!
And the robot goes, Yes, citizen.
Would it be illegal if I, uh, crossed the street right here?
No, you're okay, thank you.
And then all of a sudden it blinks a light, downloading new laws.
And then you cross the street and it goes, stop citizen, you have violated the law.
And then you're like, wait, what?
ian crossland
That'd be cool because the robots would never get tired of answering your questions.
And they wouldn't get frustrated.
And if you could be like at any time, tell me the law, they would have it for you.
tim pool
I actually think it might be cool to have robot cops.
But, uh, because I think it would reduce the amount of, it would actually reduce the amount of physical harm that comes to people.
Like humans make mistakes too.
Robots don't make mistakes.
ian crossland
They get scared.
Robots don't get scared.
tim pool
And so the robot, but also that the robot's going to be like, there's no fear of lethal, like lethal force.
So you could be a criminal running with a gun and the robot's going to be faster than you.
It's going to be able to run longer.
You're not, it's going to subdue you.
ian crossland
It's going to, uh, it's going to have connections to like helicopter.
It's going to ignore, it can see you from the helicopter.
So like it doesn't, you know, it doesn't, it can track you easier with like stuff.
I agree with you, man.
I'm all about using technology to help solve problems.
tim pool
The challenge, I guess, is like we already said, though, the laws get out of hand.
Right.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
Yeah.
And sometimes, you know what?
To be fair, though, maybe we'll get to that point where we'll create some good A.I.
that can have better judgment.
One of the really interesting things about A.I.
and judgment right now is self-driving cars.
So one of the biggest problems with self-driving cars is that somebody has to program whether the car crashes into a grandmother or a baby.
ian crossland
Oh, that's wild.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yep.
So I don't know if you guys have heard about this.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So basically, When a human is driving a car, and then all of a sudden an old lady stumbles out in front of the car, you're like, oh no!
And then you have a split second, and it's like, if I keep going forward, old lady goes flying.
If I veer left, I will crash into a tree and die.
Someone, so you choose.
And if you hit the old lady, like you might get some kind of charge.
It might be considered an accident.
You might not get in trouble.
You'll live.
If you try and avoid the old lady and you die, you made the choice.
And everyone makes a choice, you know, based on their own morality or whatever.
Someone's got a program into these self-driving cars.
Which one to kill?
ian crossland
And then does it- The driver or the- Does it go to like the car company?
Have to cover the legal ramifications?
unidentified
I don't think so.
tim pool
I think it'd be an insurance company.
ian crossland
The insurance company.
So if your car, automated car, kills somebody, it's not in your hands.
tim pool
It would be... Would you get in a car that told you outright, if this car encounters any potential lethal, fatal instance, it will sacrifice you?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Yeah, I wouldn't either!
unidentified
No, there's no way.
tim pool
Hi, welcome to Tesla Automatic Driving Car.
unidentified
Good luck.
tim pool
If we crash, we'll kill you.
It's like, no, I'd rather... We'll kill you first.
Yeah, I'd rather... What have you done?
ian crossland
I bumped the table.
lydia smith
You broke the UFO.
ian crossland
You got the magic touch.
tim pool
No, you have to do it.
Knock the UFO off.
So you just gotta center it.
Anyway, we talked enough about robots.
lydia smith
No, we haven't talked enough about robots.
tim pool
Let's talk about what's going on with the Oath Keepers, man.
Check this out, everybody.
We got some news.
Did you figure it out?
ian crossland
I think so.
unidentified
No, you can't get it.
You got the touch!
tim pool
Just take it off, otherwise it'll overheat from that.
Check this out!
Twitter bans far-right extremist group, the Oath Keepers.
The company says the group violated its policies on violent extremist group.
The first question I have is, Ian, do you know who the Oath Keepers are?
ian crossland
I'm just learning about them today and yesterday.
Do you?
lydia smith
I do, I do.
tim pool
Do you think they're an extremist group?
lydia smith
They are not.
tim pool
I don't think so either.
lydia smith
They're like the three percenters.
tim pool
Yeah, I think they're just like, well, I think they've been pushing the rhetoric for sure.
lydia smith
Yeah.
Okay, well, they're like middle-aged guys who really want to do something and this is what they do on Saturday afternoons is the vibe I kind of get off them?
tim pool
I'm not convinced, yeah.
lydia smith
I'm not convinced they're going to do anything crazy.
tim pool
Isn't like the general concept of the group is that they're staunch constitutionalists?
lydia smith
Yeah, I think that's why they're called Oath Keepers.
tim pool
This is going to be really interesting.
You know, because we got problems, man.
I'll tell you what.
I'm not a fan of people calling for violence.
I think we got to simmer everything down.
But I've been having conversation after conversation about how the Constitution is Swiss cheese.
It's a guideline at the very least.
I mean, not even.
There's no penalty for any of these lawmakers proposing unconstitutional laws and getting them passed and then violating people's rights.
It's incumbent upon you to sue if your rights were violated.
ian crossland
What's an example of something?
Is there anything that stands on top of your head?
tim pool
If you want to...
Look, to be fair, there are a lot of things in the Constitution that, like, rules have
been imposed based on Supreme Court rulings, specifically on, like, Second Amendment's
the easiest one.
But search and seizure.
It'd be violated every day, okay?
Like, metadata spying.
ian crossland
Oh, that really seems weird.
tim pool
The NSA spying stuff that Snowden revealed?
Like, that's really obvious.
ian crossland
The CIA got invented in, like, the 40s, and that didn't exist when they wrote the Constitution.
tim pool
I'm gonna give a mention to Caitlyn Bennett.
You know who she is?
ian crossland
She's the gun rights activist from Kent State.
Is it she from Kent State?
tim pool
Alma mater, what up?
Okay, so this video going around today of her, and she is angry mob screaming, you know, F you and stuff, and the cop says, you have to leave.
And she's like, why?
I didn't do anything.
And the cop says, I can't control these people.
So we're gonna leave.
We'll make you leave because it'll, you know, be safe.
And then she says, a very good point.
If you can't control them now, you're not gonna be able to control them even if I leave.
And that's true.
But this is a really good example.
The police straight up saying, we will violate your rights in order to make our job easier.
That's it.
So the police, they do this all the time.
They will arrest you saying you're out of line and you're interfering with police work because the crowd's angry at you.
ian crossland
And this is because they're fearing for their own personal safety.
tim pool
It's the way I've often described it.
If you put a human being in front of a giant, angry, screaming mob, and they say, okay, I can try and get a ton of officers to stop this mob, or I can just arrest the one person.
ian crossland
Oh, that's a slippery slope.
tim pool
But that's what they do!
That's what I see. So listen, this is why I've explained that as the chaos and the calamities escalates,
that there's a real fear that with these extremists showing up to the homes of mayors and police chiefs,
like they showed up to the home of Carmen Best, the Seattle police chief,
and the neighbors came out with guns, eventually they're gonna come to someone's house, and the
mob's gonna be so large, the people there, like, imagine if a mob showed up in front
of our house.
And then, we're like, what do we do?
Call the police!
The police show up and see 300 people screaming and throwing bricks and, rah!
Rabble, rabble, rabble!
And they're like, oh man, what do we do?
And they're like, what do these people want?
And they're like, arrest them!
They're Nazis, arrest them!
The cops are like, we can't stop them.
And they're gonna hurt a lot of people.
But if we arrest the people in this house, maybe they'll stop.
ian crossland
So the police capitulating to mob justice is unconstitutional?
But the police can't do anything about it because they're not strong enough?
tim pool
A cop arresting you for expressing your free speech rights because other people are threatening you?
Like, you're not committing any crimes!
lydia smith
Wait, the cop didn't threaten to arrest Caitlyn.
Did he actually effectively kick her out, and did he even have backup, or was he like a security guard?
tim pool
He removed her, and I'd be willing to bet she would have been arrested if she said no.
Remember when Ben Shapiro tried speaking at that event?
And the cop was like, if you cross this line, you will be arrested.
lydia smith
I remember that.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
What did Ben Shapiro do?
Nothing.
He was gonna speak at a college campus.
Protestors showed up, started screaming, rabble, rabble, rabble.
And then Ben was like, I'm supposed to speak here.
And the cop's like, I don't care.
ian crossland
Is it because the cop's job is to keep the peace at a local level?
Whatever the national law or state law is, it's the local peace that's the first priority?
tim pool
I don't know, man.
I don't know if their priority is supposed to be keeping the peace, but I'll tell you this.
I have a right to speak.
I have a First Amendment right.
If other people are committing crimes, the police need to arrest those committing crimes, not me.
ian crossland
And peace can come from, like, Subduing who you hate like if a crowd goes and wants to lynch somebody if they get to lynch the guy There might be peace afterwards, but right that justice it won't be though Let's be let's be real if if if they're all if they get away with this like they do with Ben They will keep doing it realizing it works tactic.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So anyway, let's go back to what's going out the Oath Keepers The reason I bring all that up is they're staunch constitutionalists.
They're banned now because they're basically... One of the things this guy tweeted, and I don't agree with it, he said the shots have been fired, the guy who died in Portland, and he says we're going to give Trump one more chance to declare this a Marxist insurrection, otherwise, you know, we're going to take action or something like that.
And so there's very serious questions that are asked among very politically charged groups, even Antifa.
At what point are they allowed to have a violent redress of grievances against the government?
That's a scary thought.
ian crossland
I think they should avoid doing that.
If you study the Russian Revolution at all, this is kind of interesting, calling it Marxist, because...
When capitalism starts to fail, as what it did in, you know, 20th, early 20th century, the Great Depression was coming on.
There are other people look for other methods of economy and communism was the main one.
And so it looks like people are in a similar situation with COVID shutting everything down people losing their, and so they're better than ever.
Um, it technically Yeah, society in general, the poorest among us have a better than the richest 200 years ago, I would argue, but Responding to that uprising with violence, like they had the white army and the red army, basically the monarchs tried to stop the communist uprising by creating a white army and fighting back against them, so then the communists created a red army and fought back against them.
It just escalated the violence.
So I don't want to relive that.
tim pool
Who would you rather win?
The far left or the far right?
ian crossland
I don't know who they are, that's the problem.
It's just extremists are extremists to me.
tim pool
Well, hold on, hold on.
The Oath Keepers are... they purport that they are staunch constitutionalists.
ian crossland
They don't seem far anything.
That's middle of the road.
tim pool
You think?
ian crossland
I mean, the Constitution's legit.
tim pool
Yeah.
And then you have the far left, which are avowed Marxists and communists.
ian crossland
People that want a Marxist revolution is a little extreme to me.
It didn't work in Russia.
Really, really didn't work because you have to put somebody in charge of like everybody's property.
lydia smith
Yeah, you can't do that.
ian crossland
If they had like an AI system built out that was going to be like a literal, like everyone had a piece and we had, you could measure it on like a blockchain and see, and no human was involved with like passing out anything.
It just came to us.
I could see like a technological revolution.
We wouldn't call it, I'd call it something other than communism.
lydia smith
Who designs the AI?
ian crossland
It would have to be free software.
It would have to be agreed upon, voted on, and then we'd have to see the code.
tim pool
Well, let me tell you something.
If there was... I think one of the ideas the far left has, in terms of their goal for revolution, is that if they can purge any memory of liberty, then people won't crave what they don't know exists.
You know what I mean?
lydia smith
It's true.
ian crossland
Book-burning.
tim pool
So, yeah, yeah, right?
If right now... Actually, have you seen... Let's do some Marvel references.
Have you seen Captain America Winter Soldier?
Negative.
lydia smith
Yeah, yeah, I've seen it.
tim pool
That's the one where the bad guys took the Hydra-infiltrated... That's what it is, right?
Hydra-infiltrated ship?
I believe so, yeah.
And then they want to have the giant helicarriers just kill all the undesirables?
unidentified
Oh, jeez.
tim pool
Yeah, they're like, if we kill, you know, three billion people, those are the ones who cause the problems, then we'll have a bunch of, you know, just like, sheeple, I guess.
They didn't use that word.
But the general idea is, they think that if you have a society that from birth was raised to never understand concepts of freedom, then they would be happy.
Ignorance is bliss.
And that seems to be a tactic that they kind of go for.
That's why everything they do is a lie, everything is manipulative, everything is deception.
For me, that's the antithesis of, like, life, what you're supposed to do, explore, create, experience.
And so they want to create a rigid, gray, colorless, you know, cube world, where everything's like, just... Have you read A Wrinkle in Time?
Oh man, when I was like seven.
ian crossland
We do not want that world.
tim pool
What is that world like?
ian crossland
That's the gray, colorless, mother brain, controlling everything world.
tim pool
The Borg.
ian crossland
Yeah, basically.
tim pool
And then you have the Borg Queen controlling everything.
ian crossland
Ooh, funky.
tim pool
It does feel like we're headed towards Borg reality, man.
Are you going to get the Neuralink?
ian crossland
I'm going to let the people that have debilitating injuries test it for 10 years, you know, five years.
lydia smith
Yeah, kind of like a right to try thing almost.
ian crossland
And if they turn out to be superhuman and have mega access to the internet, yes.
lydia smith
Super cool.
tim pool
Like the Neuralink people?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
So, there's an Outer Limits episode about this, where everyone is connected to something called the stream.
But then, like, the general idea of the stream is to give people access to knowledge.
So they have these brain implants, and they don't think for themselves for the most part, because they don't have to.
They'll be like, there's a door, and then they'll think.
Like, it just streams the information right to their brain.
So they know where everyone is, they know what everyone is doing.
And so, there's one guy who's got some kind of, like, neurological issue where he can't get an implant.
He has to read books.
He's a normal guy, but they call him disabled because he can't...
Access the stream, right?
But then something happens where the stream's goal is to, like, acquire information and provide that information to people, but everything is information.
So it starts creating information where it's like, how many hairs can you pull out of your head?
Just, like, arbitrary.
ian crossland
Oh, that sounds like Twitter.
No, I'm just kidding.
tim pool
No, no, but right, that's kind of what I'm getting to, where you'll end up with a bunch of people, like, look how bad Twitter is.
Right?
Is it even a bad thing that Twitter has banned, you know, the Oath Keepers, in a sense?
ian crossland
I don't know why they banned them.
tim pool
Well, because they were posting things like, you know, the first shot has been fired and whatever.
ian crossland
Well, that other girl was posting all that violent stuff we were talking about yesterday.
tim pool
That's a good point.
ian crossland
If it wasn't imminent calls for violence, then I don't think they should have been banned.
lydia smith
Exactly.
tim pool
What was that lady's name?
ian crossland
I agree with what you say about removing information.
I think if someone's in that path, I don't agree with them, whether they're far, this or that.
lydia smith
Yeah.
You know what I was thinking too?
The fact that if you did take liberty away from us within a generation, everyone would have forgotten because people adapt so quickly.
This is why we've come up with like word of mouth, like storytelling.
This is why we write stuff down and write books and we communicate with our children.
It's because we don't want to forget the stuff that happened before us.
We stopped doing it.
This has happened.
And before we know it, we're going to lose all this stuff we worked for.
tim pool
It's like, have you guys seen Stargate?
ian crossland
Yeah, the movie.
tim pool
Like, we're just doing movie references tonight.
lydia smith
Yeah, tonight is movie references.
ian crossland
I love James Spader's The Man.
tim pool
When they meet the people they can't write because the aliens realized that humans having the ability to share information and record it allowed them to fight, like, realize their freedom and their rights.
And so the enslaved people on the other planet are, like, scared of writing.
But because of this, they can't organize properly and fight back.
lydia smith
Yes, slaves weren't allowed to learn to read or write.
ian crossland
That's amazing.
lydia smith
And they had a verbal tradition, too.
tim pool
This is why they banned people from the Internet.
lydia smith
Interesting.
ian crossland
Do you think that liberty is a natural human desire?
lydia smith
Yes.
unidentified
100%.
lydia smith
Yeah.
ian crossland
Okay.
Then you can never stop it.
tim pool
Listen, they just banned the Oath Keepers like today, I guess, was it?
lydia smith
I think so, yeah.
tim pool
So I made this point, right?
We talk a lot about civil unrest, the potential for civil war and all this stuff.
And I hear all the time from the right, they're like, if there's ever a war, we're gonna crush the left!
unidentified
Yeah!
tim pool
And they like high five and chest bump and stuff.
I'm kidding.
But they say like, the left won't know what hit them because we have all the guns and stuff.
And my response is, your internet will cut off.
You're going to be sitting in your house and you're going to be like, I am ready if these people want to take my constitution, I'm ready to fight.
And then all of a sudden your internet goes out and you're like, I wonder what's happening.
lydia smith
Then what do you do?
tim pool
They're all organized now because they control social media.
Twitter just banned the Oath Keepers and they allowed this Black Lives Matter woman who said violence is the only way to stay up.
This huge screed about how they have to get violent.
And that's allowed to stay.
And it's been up for days.
And you have Antifa actively organizing on the platform and the Oath Keepers?
Gone.
ian crossland
I wish I saw what literally was the thing that banned them.
Is that public knowledge?
tim pool
Let me see if I can pull it up.
ian crossland
That's another problem with banning someone, is you lose access to what it was that got them banned, and then how do you... That's a good point, because then you're like, how extreme are they actually?
lydia smith
Because I know that people like to call anybody right of Mao, you know, far right, or whatever.
tim pool
Here, check this out.
From Talking Points Memo.
With itchy trigger fingers, some right-wingers predict the next civil war has finally arrived, and they say, quote, I don't think they're anti-government.
First shot has been fired, brother," said Stuart Rhodes, founder of the armed anti-government
group Oath Keepers.
I don't think they're anti-government.
I think they're constitutionalists.
He says, quote, Civil War is here, right now.
We'll give Trump one last chance to declare this a Marxist insurrection and suppress it
as his duty demands.
If he fails to do his duty, we will do ours.
Hmm.
Yeah.
lydia smith
I would contest to that being constitutionalist is being anti-government because the entire point of the Constitution was to constrain not the people, the government.
ian crossland
What that guy typed is legal, but Twitter's terms isn't about what's ever legal in the US.
That's one thing about Mines is it's like, what's legal can do on the platform.
So that would be allowed on Mines, but on Twitter, it's, I don't know what their terms are probably different.
tim pool
And you mentioned, we talked about this the other day, the lady saying violence is the only way or whatever.
And you said that would also be allowed.
ian crossland
It's not imminent violence.
It's not saying, do this violent thing on this day at this time, because then you're calling for imminent violence.
That is illegal.
So that would come off Mines.
But just saying let's get dirty. Let's go kit. Let's kill them. I mean it's crazy to say that but it's legal
tim pool
Yeah, Wow Let's kill this person. What if what do you said like I'm
so angry everyone burn it all down burn it all Yeah, it's too vague. It's legal. That's vague. Yeah, that's
saying burn it all because you're not saying burn it all down at 2 p.m
ian crossland
On Tuesday is illegal What do you mean? It's imminent becomes an imminent threat.
tim pool
Oh If you say go do this, right?
All right, if you said everyone go out burn it down because it because there was a guy who actually said that right
like during Ferguson, yeah, I think he was like burn it all down just
something like that So this is the this is the this is the big issue man. It's
If you don't have access to technology, how can you actually win?
ian crossland
So you think if someone attempts a violent uprising that the tech companies would be in cahoots with, like, the government and shut them out?
Like, cut off their ISPs, cut out their communication tactics?
tim pool
It's hard to say.
What's the allegiance of these corporations, right?
ian crossland
No, that's really freaky.
tim pool
They're very ideological.
ian crossland
They're corporate.
It's just their allegiance is to their business plan.
lydia smith
Oh, they're very left-wing.
tim pool
Maybe, but we've seen them overtly, like, I think they're willing to sacrifice business in exchange for ideological gains.
Some of them.
Twitter especially.
Some people have argued, why is it that they allow Antifa to stay on the platform?
There's actually a really, really good answer.
You know why?
So the cops know what their plans are.
ian crossland
Good point.
tim pool
Otherwise they'll be in the shadows.
They're not concerned about Stuart Rhodes, Oh wow, maybe yeah.
thing whatever so there's so Twitter's just like get rid of them and then you have all these antifa
accounts saying here we're gonna go do this this thing at this place and then you probably have
the cops saying please don't ban them they're giving us their intel oh wow maybe yeah yep it's
impossible to know that's crazy but so so the main the main point though uh is would Twitter
side with the far left in the event of some kind of civil war and it's like
The answer is yes.
ian crossland
Flip of a coin, Matt.
Who runs Twitter?
We don't even know.
tim pool
It's overtly yes.
Stockholders.
Here's my prediction, because I've had this conversation with people and I'm like, listen.
Let's say that right now, Twitter and Facebook have both said, if Donald Trump tries to declare victory in the election, they'll remove his posts.
ian crossland
This is after the votes come in?
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
If on November 4th, it is a Trump landslide, with no possible way for Biden to win, and Trump says, we did it, I won, there's no way the mail-in votes will get it, they said, if Trump tries to declare victory early, we will remove those posts.
Twitter and Facebook said that.
Just Trump, not Biden!
Just Trump.
ian crossland
Do you think they were insinuating that anyone that does it would be removed?
But that's a dumb question because they didn't.
They just said Trump.
tim pool
Right.
So here's what happens.
November 4th.
Landslide Trump.
400 electoral votes.
No way Biden can win.
Trump comes out and he has a press conference and says, even if the mail-in votes come in, no one expects, you know, the experts are saying, and you'll get like a bunch of conservative outlets saying, there's no way you could possibly flip these to Biden even with mail-in votes based on, you know, traditional voter, like, turnout and stuff like this.
Then Biden refuses to concede like Hillary Clinton asked.
Hillary Clinton straight up said Biden should not concede.
So he goes, I am not going to concede because we're going to count these votes to the very end.
Trump says, there's no way you can win.
I'm the victor.
A week goes by and all of a sudden, huh, record voter turnout.
unidentified
Who'd have thought?
tim pool
And they found a bunch of ballots just stacked in the back of a post office.
Well, convenient for them.
And then Biden squeaks by with just enough electoral votes for a narrow, very narrow victory.
And then Biden comes out and says, you see, we've won.
And then Trump says, this is not possible.
And then you have two factions declaring victory.
Trump then says, we're going to sue.
We're going to sue.
They say, well, we're going to sue you back.
No one knows what happens.
And then you end up with a circumstance where you now have Trump declaring himself victor, Biden declaring himself victor.
What do you think happens in that scenario?
ian crossland
That would be like an instance of a potential civil war when you have two leaders that are at it.
tim pool
Nope.
ian crossland
What would you think would happen?
tim pool
Nope, nope, nope.
New York Times, Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, Time Magazine, Newsweek.
ian crossland
Oh, they would just start printing, Biden's the victor.
tim pool
Biden's the victor.
Done.
ian crossland
And then just try and, just move, if you tell someone a lie enough times, they start to believe it.
unidentified
It's true.
tim pool
And then what happens when Trump, when, I'll put it this way.
What would happen if Trump does win, and it's, and because they won't give us the results right away, Trump wins, you know, 400 whatever electoral votes.
Then Trump says, I won, there's no way they can win.
And then all of a sudden, all the media companies just announce Biden won.
ian crossland
That would be like, not treason.
I mean, I don't want to use that word improperly.
tim pool
What if someone from the Democratic campaign, or like, I was going to say Podesta, who was Clinton's campaign manager, they go and they say, here's the proof, here's the documents, we won.
And then the New York Times, all these mainstream outlets say, you know, election commission reports that we've reviewed show that Joe Biden is in fact the winner, even though the official election results reported to the federal government would show Trump the winner.
In fact, Joe Biden won, right?
So now you've got the media telling everyone, no, no, look, we went over the numbers.
It's true.
Joe Biden won.
And Trump starts saying, I won.
Then Twitter bans Trump.
Then you've got a bunch of people actually within the government, right?
Let's say a bunch of Secret Service people and a bunch of Feds know for a fact it's certified a Trump victory, but the media is reporting otherwise.
So they go with Trump and say, don't worry, Mr. President, we're going to get a hold of things.
And they start rushing to the White House or whatever.
And then all of a sudden, a bunch of National Guardsmen have their phones go vroom vroom vroom and they all see
this.
Donald Trump is trying to stage a coup.
New York Times, Washington Post, Trump is trying to steal the White House.
What will they believe?
And their commanding officer is sitting there saying, I don't know.
unidentified
Who won?
ian crossland
That's drastically confusing.
Trump is still president, right?
Until the 4th, no matter what.
Until January something.
tim pool
Until January 20th.
ian crossland
So if there's a contention, he's still president until the 20th.
So that's why I think that scenario is... And if Twitter banned him, he would go after Twitter in those months.
tim pool
What could he do?
ian crossland
Make them reveal their code or something.
How?
tim pool
He can't do that.
ian crossland
I don't know what he would do, but I think he would go try and arrest...
To be honest, I don't know.
tim pool
I'm not saying that scenario will happen.
I'm trying to make a point about what happens... The confusion.
Yeah, if there comes a point where Joe Biden and Donald Trump are both standing there and they both point to the Secret Service and they go, arrest that man!
ian crossland
Hopefully the Secret Service won't do anything.
tim pool
The Secret Service are gonna look at their phone and they're gonna see all the mainstream media saying Joe Biden won.
ian crossland
Yeah, but they're supposed to be Trump's bodyguard, or the president's bodyguard.
tim pool
What I mean to say is, the media is on the side of the left, and so is social media.
And if Trump can't communicate, and Trump supporters can't communicate, then regular people are going to see Trump as the bad guy because the media will say so.
ian crossland
That's probably kind of what's happening already, I think.
tim pool
Exactly, exactly.
ian crossland
So, the vote's coming in and it's going to be confusing.
There's going to be mail-in votes, right?
It's decided we're doing mail-in votes.
tim pool
In many states, not every state.
ian crossland
So it's going to be, give it two weeks after the 4th before you start deciding who won, because they're going to have to count all the stuff.
It's going to take weeks.
tim pool
I've got to tell you, man, I'm really excited for November 4th till January 19th.
ian crossland
That's going to be awesome.
tim pool
You know why?
Because it's just... No, no, no, look.
ian crossland
It's a rainfall, what are you talking about?
tim pool
There's going to be a lot of bad things.
ian crossland
A windfall.
tim pool
There's going to be a lot of bad things.
But if Trump loses, I'm actually really looking forward to that.
You know why?
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
Could you imagine what that guy's going to do when he knows it's like... Oh yeah.
ian crossland
Go on Rogan first.
Immediately.
Which he should do anyway.
tim pool
I lost.
It's fine.
ian crossland
I'm telling everything.
tim pool
Here's a book of all the pardons.
ian crossland
That'd be awesome.
tim pool
Everyone!
What if he pardoned everybody?
Literally everyone.
ian crossland
He could do that anyway.
Win or lose.
He could just go on a pardon spree.
Well, I think he should pardon a lot of people.
That'd be great.
unidentified
That'd be great optics for him and for his family.
tim pool
Whether he wins or loses, even if he doesn't know, it's going to be like January 19th and he's going to be like, well, I guess Nancy Pelosi is president.
No one has any idea who won the election.
I'm just going to pardon everybody.
unidentified
Just goes forward and he's like... Executive order!
tim pool
Just goes nuts.
So there's actually an article that came out today where they were panicking about it.
And it was like, it was like, what is it called?
Like the 78 days of destruction or something?
It was like, yeah, the day, the day after the election until the 20th, Trump is going to unleash fury.
And it was a picture of Trump, like looking all like grim and there's like fire behind him.
And then, and then like America is floating above the fire.
lydia smith
Oh, they're crazy.
tim pool
I don't know about all that.
But Trump will probably order a withdrawal of all the troops, and it'll jam up the courts.
They'll go to the courts, and they'll try and block him, and he does a bunch of things.
But I think he's gonna... Man, I want to believe.
Could you imagine if he was like, Flint water crisis?
Allocate federal resources, solve that problem.
Snowden, Assange, pardoned.
Soldiers in the Middle East, withdraw everybody.
ian crossland
Legalize marijuana.
tim pool
Executive order.
Release the offenders.
Well, he can't legalize it, but he can put an executive order ordering them to... Taking it off Schedule 1?
Not to enforce.
unidentified
Oh, great.
tim pool
Yeah, Congress would have to do the scheduling, I think.
But he can say, no longer enforce marijuana laws, de facto legalization.
But then he could also say, non-violent offenders, free to go, pardon all.
ian crossland
So anything he was going to do in his second term, he'll do before.
Hopefully we don't have to force him to do it in a few months and give him some time, because I think he's going to figure out new stuff to do as time goes on.
tim pool
Yeah, of course.
Who knows what's going to happen?
I think there's always a lot of developments.
And the interesting thing right now is that although they keep saying Joe Biden is favored to win, The polls are in his favor.
unidentified
Sure, sure.
tim pool
Nate Silver tweeted that the only safe bet for Biden is if he wins five points more than Trump on the national popular vote.
Then he's safe.
ian crossland
What does that mean exactly?
tim pool
So if Joe Biden gets 45 and Trump gets 40.
ian crossland
Okay, and that's percent of the national vote?
tim pool
Or if Joe Biden gets 49 and Trump gets, you know, 44.
But if Joe Biden gets 47 and Trump gets 46, or what was the percentages last time?
It was like the 40, it was like 42 or something.
lydia smith
Yeah, I would say 42, 45 percent.
tim pool
Yeah, so like Trump got 40.
If it's within two points, Trump has a 78 percent chance of winning.
ian crossland
What's that?
tim pool
Because the Electoral College favors him.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
tim pool
Rural states.
Yeah, they jam too many people up in California, you know?
ian crossland
Oh, weird.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So when you look at the Electoral College, I don't think Joe Biden's going to get a five-point lead on Trump.
ian crossland
I don't know much about how it's built, how that system works, unfortunately.
tim pool
Well, so the general idea is that the national popular vote doesn't matter because California and New York are so populous.
Of course the Democrats will win the national popular vote.
ian crossland
OK.
tim pool
But when you factor in the electoral college, because the president has chosen based on states, then Trump is favored, because more states are willing to support him.
So it's hard to know, man.
There's been a lot of changes in the polls.
But if I look at the polls now, I look at Joe Biden's character.
There's a lot of reasons to believe that Joe Biden's absolutely going to lose.
I know.
But there's reason to believe he's going to win?
ian crossland
Well, it wouldn't be a Biden victory.
It would be a Trump loss.
tim pool
Yeah, right, right, right, right, right.
ian crossland
The media is smearing Trump.
They're not pushing Biden at all because there's nothing positive, barely anything positive about that guy to show.
He talks and makes mistakes with his words, which is horrible.
Hilarious.
It's sad.
tim pool
Did you see the guy from the Biden campaign was asked by Brett Baier, does Biden use a teleprompter?
And the dude just was like, that's a Trump talking point.
I am not gonna allow Trump to filter questions through Fox News.
And Brett was like, so you can't answer yes or no?
lydia smith
Does he use a teleprompter?
tim pool
Of course Biden uses a teleprompter.
Here's what people don't get about Biden.
Let me clarify some things for you.
People say he's a gaffe machine, right?
lydia smith
Oh, yeah, he always has been.
tim pool
He is a gaffe machine, but what people don't realize about a lot of his gaffes is that the prompter stopped moving.
It's that simple.
And he has no... And so there was one point where he said his wife... Improbability.
What did he say about, like, he repeated her name?
unidentified
Yeah, like, um... My wife, wife, my wife, my wife.
lydia smith
Yeah, yeah.
So something was wrong with his teleprompter for sure.
tim pool
Exactly.
lydia smith
It was stuttering or something.
tim pool
No, it stopped.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
And it was stopped on his... Right, right.
He said something like, this is Jill, my wife, my wife, my wife, my wife.
And people were like, what's he doing?
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Because the prompter stopped.
Dude, that guy was a plagiarist.
My wife, my wife.
ian crossland
In the 90s, he plagiarized and got made fun of.
tim pool
He plagiarized his speech last week or whatever.
lydia smith
I'm that Canadian guy.
ian crossland
This is insanity.
tim pool
Yeah, Joe Biden, man.
ian crossland
Just give it.
I mean, no, vote.
That's the way it works.
You know, just give it to somebody.
But let's just kind of work on other technologies together.
lydia smith
Yeah, we could focus on other stuff.
tim pool
Here's one of my bigger concerns about everything.
So the Democrats blocked the COVID relief package.
ian crossland
How's that work?
tim pool
So, they needed 60 votes in the Senate to get it passed, and it's not.
It's like 52 Republicans or whatever, so it was partisan lines.
And the Democrats, in their bill, they wanted to ban voter ID.
unidentified
Why?
ian crossland
Yeah, so why?
tim pool
That's like, make elections less secure.
ian crossland
Do people not have IDs?
Is that a common thing?
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
Are there citizens... I mean, mine's expired, I'm in the process of getting a new one.
tim pool
Some people don't have IDs.
ian crossland
But no, I still have an ID.
I have my passport.
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
You kind of got to have an ID.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
lydia smith
You have to, to be a functioning person.
tim pool
So I feel like what we're seeing with this with blocking this bill, the Democrats wanted to change a bunch of election rules.
They wanted to change voter signature verification rules to give people a chance to correct them, which could draw out the election.
The Republicans said no.
The Republicans offered up COVID relief.
The Democrats said no.
And it's just purely tribal lines, purely tribal.
ian crossland
This two party system has gone too far.
tim pool
It's going to collapse because it's not about do we need COVID relief?
No, it's don't let the Republicans win.
lydia smith
That's craziness.
ian crossland
And they want to tag things into it, like a voter registration law to a COVID relief package?
tim pool
Yeah, isn't that weird?
Well, to be fair, the Republicans put in, like, FBI building and, like, new Abrams missiles or whatever.
ian crossland
Has that been legal since the beginning of the country?
tim pool
I think so.
It's just, like, what do you do?
You can't add something else to a bill, but how do you determine what is, like... You could argue it's... How do you define the terms, you know what I mean?
ian crossland
I don't know.
I don't know.
Good point.
Like, is it in the same genre of what you're voting on?
Is it related to COVID relief?
If not, then no, it can't be part of this package.
tim pool
Well, they can argue, well, as part of COVID relief, we need a strong federal apparatus to enforce the rules around COVID.
ian crossland
So they talk.
It's a big talking game about talking.
It's a debate.
Yeah. Convince them of nonsense. I'll tell you what, but I'll tell you what,
tim pool
if people in the government are like, we're going to provide COVID relief and build tanks,
I'd be like, yeah, what else is new? Give me the COVID relief. If the Democrats are like,
we're going to give you COVID relief three times higher than Republicans and weaken all of our
election processes, I'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. What are they called?
ian crossland
Earmarks?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Something like that.
ian crossland
Where they stick random stuff into bills?
tim pool
It's called pork.
ian crossland
It's so weird.
tim pool
Random stuff.
And I want a boat.
I'll sponsor this, but I get a boat.
We get a congressional boat.
ian crossland
These 90-page bills that I don't even think they hire lawyers to write for them, and then they don't even have to read it before they vote on it.
tim pool
Let's jump to this next story real quick, because this kind of falls in line with some of what I was saying.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Check this out.
New York high school student arrested for attending in-person classes on remote learning day.
lydia smith
What?
tim pool
School district says Maverick Stowe displayed irresponsible and selfish behavior with today's latest publicity stunt.
Well, I learned his name, I guess.
Maverick Stowe.
It's a great name, dude.
lydia smith
Cool name, yeah.
ian crossland
It's the first thing I thought.
tim pool
That's a publicity stunt.
He's protesting the coronavirus regulations in place at his school, at William Floyd High, in Massick, New York.
The teen was being held at the 7th Precinct in Shirley, New York on Thursday morning, his mother, Nora Stowe, told Fox News.
Okay, listen.
That's the gist of the story.
They're doing remote learning, and he's rejecting this, so they arrested him.
That's insane.
I mean, like, we're getting to the point where the whole system has gone insane, in my opinion, right?
The bigger issue I have, and the reason I bring this up is, I don't understand what we're supposed to be doing.
We're not going to school, we're going to school.
What's the Democrats' position again?
Because I don't understand.
ian crossland
Are they into school choice?
lydia smith
No.
tim pool
I have no idea.
ian crossland
Does Biden even have a position on this stuff?
tim pool
I don't know.
Trump is school choice.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
So wait, wait, wait.
They want us to keep paying for these schools even though you'll be arrested if you go there.
lydia smith
Yes.
Are you tracking?
Yeah, I'm not tracking either.
ian crossland
But they don't want your parents to be able to watch you get taught even though they're paying for it.
lydia smith
Exactly, that too.
And also they do want you to attend in Zoom meetings for your college classes and they will charge you full tuition for the semester.
It's a wonderful situation.
tim pool
You know what, man?
I was sitting here and my main segment today was like, they're cheating.
It's so obvious they're cheating.
So Will Chamberlain, he was supposed to be here the other day, but he couldn't make it.
He has a tweet, it's really good.
He said basically, mail-in voting is low integrity.
He said in-person voting is high integrity.
Absentee voting is high integrity because you request it and there's a process.
Universal mail-in voting is low integrity, it just goes out to everybody.
If you want low integrity voting, I can only assume it's because you intend to cheat.
And I'm like, you've got Dr. Birx, you've got Dr. Fauci saying it's safe to vote in person.
Straight up, they said it.
ian crossland
That's where it should end.
tim pool
But it doesn't.
We're still locked down.
You can't go to the restaurants.
There's 25 capacity waiting rooms.
And we have to have universal mail-in voting.
And I'm like, you guys are cheating, aren't you?
Then Twitter and Facebook come out and they're like, if Trump declares victory, we will ban him.
We'll delete the posts.
So if Trump literally wins, it's everything being stacked up.
ian crossland
Trump needs to diffuse out of Twitter.
He needs to... what's the word when you... Divest.
Yeah, he needs to divest into multiple platforms.
tim pool
Because he needs to be able to speak to the public.
And Twitter and Facebook are going to ban him.
ian crossland
Yeah, he should not have to go through a corporation.
tim pool
He should be on Mines.
ian crossland
He's our... he should definitely be on Mines.
tim pool
Here's why I bring this up.
It's kind of like, look, there's only so much to be said about the New York high school student thing, but it brings up a really good point about the absurdities of the Democrats.
Democrats.
ian crossland
Another one!
tim pool
Spin the UFO!
The Democrats are pushing this absurd policy so it's like, we're going to shut down the schools.
But you have to go online and use remote learning, and you have to pay, even though you're not, like... How is it that, you know, we agree when we move somewhere.
It's like, I'm gonna move to this neighborhood.
Okay, here's the property taxes, here's what the city provides and everything.
Okay, I get it.
Well, now the schools are shut down.
OK, give me that money back.
Why do I just have to give you that money?
unidentified
Right.
ian crossland
You're not using their bathrooms.
You're not dirtying up their closets.
You should be at least like a third of the price or half the price.
tim pool
Give the money back.
Well, Trump is for school choice.
But it seems like it really does feel to me.
Everything we're hearing from the media... I shouldn't say everything, but a good portion of it's just all insane lies.
Like, you know, Donald Trump calling troops losers and suckers, and then calling the generals, you know... We call them a stupid word.
And I'm just like, I don't believe any of this.
It really does feel like they will do anything to just... It's chaos.
It's chaos versus order.
And it's like the extreme ends of it.
lydia smith
So this is, I've decided that 2020 is the year of audacity.
They don't have a mask anymore.
They've taken it off.
They don't care.
And I don't know if it's because of the pandemic or if we've just been building up to it.
They stopped caring.
They don't care that we know it.
They're going to cheat.
They're doing all this stuff.
And, uh, yeah, it doesn't bother them at all.
They're brazen.
tim pool
Yeah, because that's kind of the point.
I'm just exhausted by all this stuff.
Arresting kids.
ian crossland
Dude, well, it makes me think of Australia.
Have you seen the videos of people not wearing a mask on a train?
The cops arrest them.
And there, because it's under British Commonwealth law, it's legal, apparently, to arrest people for not wearing a mask on a train or whatever.
tim pool
They arrested that pregnant woman.
Yeah.
ian crossland
For posting about to go do a protest.
Because there's not a lot of protest under British Commonwealth law.
tim pool
Well, no, that's because of the COVID lockdown.
ian crossland
Right, right.
It's their law against the COVID thing.
So like, I don't want that kind of tyranny in the United States.
I don't like people getting arrested for this mask.
Like, give it up.
We already have a study that says 94% of COVID cases were at least 2.6 other compounding comorbidities.
94% of the registered deaths had at least 2.6 other comorbidities involved with the COVID in the system.
94% of the deaths.
So it's like 180,000 deaths were just COVID.
No, it was 9,000.
tim pool
4% of that, right?
ian crossland
6% of that?
tim pool
They were all caused by COVID, but the bulk of people were vulnerable people, which is the real point that's more important.
A lot of people are confusing it, saying they didn't actually have COVID.
That's not true.
But it's a point that Ben Shapiro made a long time ago.
A long time ago.
Protect the vulnerable, get everyone back to work.
ian crossland
And we should be doing that anyway.
That should be always part of our...
tim pool
Look, man, I'm telling you, I was having a conversation with some very stoic, high-profile people that I know.
It's incredible what's happening this year.
And I said, man, I hate to do it, but I gotta get conspiratorial.
Like, last year, Moody's Analytics said if the economy remains stable and there's average voter turnout, Trump wins.
Like, 400 electoral votes.
It's gonna be huge.
ian crossland
Chaos.
tim pool
Then what happens?
We get COVID, and the Democrats immediately crush their own economies.
ian crossland
This Hillary Clinton scandal in 2016 against Bernie Sanders with the WikiLeaks drop, where it showed that they were specifically trying to get him to not win.
That is the beginning of this, I think, where it just got blown open.
And the media never really followed up, barely followed up on it.
tim pool
They don't want to talk about it.
ian crossland
The Biden-Tara Reid allegations are, like, hideous.
Where did that go?
tim pool
And it was corroborated because her mom called in, like, in the 90s, like, this happened to my daughter.
They're like, interesting.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's absolutely, I don't know how deep we can even go on that on YouTube, but I mean, it's just, this is like a rape scandal, basically.
tim pool
Yeah, totally, totally.
I mean, look, the challenge is there are people who have accused Trump as well.
ian crossland
That's a good point.
Trump is not a saint.
He's an animal.
He's a beast.
tim pool
But it's funny, because I made this point earlier when I said something like, where are the smears against Joe Biden?
And then I had people criticizing me being like, dude, you rag on Joe Biden all the time.
And I'm like, I know I do.
Like, where's the New York Times?
you know, highlighting these things. Yes, sometimes there's negative press for Biden.
And the worst we see is like Joe Biden's basement strategy is working.
Like, okay, it's not really a criticism of his basement strategy, but sure.
lydia smith
Stay alive Joe Biden.
tim pool
Yeah, stay alive Joe Biden.
Oh, I love that was amazing.
ian crossland
Why do they want, not want Trump to win?
Oh, Trump's a bone in the Chinese chabon.
Is it just because they want a warmonger in office?
tim pool
Oh, definitely.
ian crossland
That's what it comes down to is they need a military machine to keep moving or something.
tim pool
Donald Trump moved to bring our troops back from Afghanistan and Germany a month or so ago.
And now look at what's happening with all the smears.
Trump hates the troops.
You know, Trump knew about COVID.
They have unleashed the Kraken on Trump of negative press.
And it always coincides with Trump being like, war is bad, the American people don't want war, and they're like, end him.
I remember, I think I was talking about this with Michael Malice, when a few years ago Trump fired the missiles at Syria, and then we had pundits saying, is this Trump's true presidential moment?
It's funny, what was that article where Trump was saying that America's addicted to war or something?
lydia smith
So I was reading the other day something from Eli Lake and he was talking about how Trump was pointing out that military generals hate him because they are in fact addicted to war.
I think those were his exact words.
And he said, you know, the soldiers love me, the troops love me.
And I was like, that makes perfect sense to me.
He's the one who sent the generals out of the room so that he could talk to the troops.
That makes sense that they would love him.
tim pool
According to the polls, they're voting for Biden.
lydia smith
I don't believe any of this, man.
tim pool
What's happening?
This is ridiculous.
I think the polls are nonsense.
I think they're trying to create the illusion that Biden's going to win because they're cheating, and they need people to expect that Trump—like, think about it this way.
What if everyone in this country really did plan to vote for Trump?
Let's say 90% did.
How many of them talk to each other to know it's at 90%?
ian crossland
Probably not that many.
tim pool
Not that many.
So what happens is you've got a handful of people and all their friends say they're voting for Trump, then they turn on the TV and it says Biden's got 12 points up and they're like, wow, how do you really know if you just trust the media?
ian crossland
They just tell you what the vote's going to be before they vote?
Like, that's so ridiculous.
tim pool
There have been instances where TV stations have accidentally run election results before the election.
But but but the the excuse is that they have demo versions ready So basically what they do is they'll create the graphic and they can type in the vote Totals and they put in fake totals as like an example geez and then they've accidentally published it people are like what?
ian crossland
Dude, I've seen testimony of people that built technology that'll flip votes.
tim pool
Easy, yep.
It's a normal thing.
There was a kid at Defcon, the hacker convention, who it took him like 10 minutes to hack the voter machine and flip all the votes.
ian crossland
Yeah, when Trump won in 2016, it gave me hope for democracy.
Like, it's real.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, definitely.
But maybe that's the real conspiracy.
No, but I agree.
I was like, Trump winning made me believe that it was possible to actually, that we had to win an actual democratic institution.
ian crossland
It's a weird way to realize that.
tim pool
Yeah, this guy can win.
Wow, the elections must be real.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Dude, I didn't think he was going to win because I did not have faith in the election.
ian crossland
Me neither.
tim pool
I wonder, here's the crazy conspiracy.
I was actually predicting record low voter turnout very early on.
I was thinking, like, seeing these protests and seeing everything, people were demoralized.
Why would anyone want to go and vote, especially after, like, all the Occupy stuff?
Nobody felt like they were being represented.
And then all of a sudden, you get a Trump phenomenon.
And this is not something I made up, although I certainly think there are pieces you can add to it, and I certainly have.
So I remember seeing people protesting outside of Trump's rally in Fort Lauderdale, saying that Trump and Hillary were friends, and that it's a trick, and Trump is being propped up by the establishment as the fake underdog.
And so they really believe that Trump isn't actually for the people.
The theory is essentially they want Trump to win, and they're propping him up to make it seem like the people chose him against all odds.
So it restores people's faith in the electoral system, because even if you don't like Trump, you recognize anybody really can win, and you better go vote, right?
There was a fear that voter turnout was getting so low that people were losing confidence in the system itself.
And that's really dangerous for the country.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
Now think about where we're at now.
Trump supporters are like, wow, I can't believe it.
It's true.
You have to vote.
We won.
And the anti-Trump people are like, oh my God, he really won.
We better go vote.
lydia smith
There you go.
tim pool
So now everybody, so now they're expecting like a historic voter turnout.
ian crossland
Well, another great thing that you can pin on Trump's lapel.
lydia smith
That's right.
Restoring faith in democracy.
tim pool
My biggest fear is the school lockdown stuff and it's the intersectionalism.
It's the cult of identitarianism.
ian crossland
I keep thinking of Seattle.
My mind keeps thinking of upper left.
I'm visualizing a map and I just feel this tension in this northwest.
The riots and the fires.
lydia smith
It's wild up there.
ian crossland
It's bothering me.
lydia smith
Geez, yeah.
tim pool
You know what's funny is that if you took the political compass and you stretched it out so it was the shape of the United States of America, what would the top left quadrant be?
lydia smith
Yeah, you're right!
That would be the Pacific Northwest.
tim pool
The authoritarian communists.
lydia smith
Authoritarian left, yep.
tim pool
Art imitates life and what and what's what's up in Maine and not it doesn't really make sense
There's there's no Nazis in Maine But in Maine you can walk walk in there by a gun apparently
like it's super chill and it's beautiful up there. Yeah Wait, actually, they're there. No wait. Oh my oh my what so
I was actually there was a meme talking about it was a there was white nationalists talking about Maine
and they were they were making a very racist point about how
Maine is run by Democrats, but they don't have gun control and
And so they're making, you know, because the demographics, so it actually does fit the political compass in a sense.
I know.
lydia smith
So I want to live in Florida.
tim pool
And California is the surfer hippie dudes, like, yo, dude, do your thing.
lydia smith
But they're left-wing.
Florida.
Florida's where it's at.
tim pool
Florida's where it's at.
ian crossland
Except for the alligators, the 12-foot alligators that roam around.
lydia smith
They're just chilling.
ian crossland
There's some crazy alligator videos on YouTube.
tim pool
Maybe.
Maybe.
Is Florida some anarcho-capitalist place?
lydia smith
Florida, man.
tim pool
Have you heard of Florida, man?
But it is funny that the upper left quadrant of this country is the authoritarian communist quadrant.
ian crossland
I know, and it was so soothing and cool before with all the rain.
lydia smith
I know, it was so neat.
tim pool
Well, you know what it is, too?
I think this is important.
People are depressed in Seattle because of the cloud.
It's always cloudy.
ian crossland
That's why I never moved there.
tim pool
So there, I lived near, I think it's called the 26th Street Bridge, I'm not entirely sure, it's been a really long time.
But I lived in Fremont, and there's this bridge out of Seattle, and whenever I, when you walk across it, there's signs on it, and it says, feeling suicidal, call this number.
lydia smith
Oh wow.
tim pool
Now when I lived there a long time ago, you could easily just like, whoop, jump right off.
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
They've since put big... Yeah, where they curve in at the top.
tim pool
Right, you can't, so it's really hard to get over.
They did that in my hometown.
I was told that the depression is legit because it's always cloudy.
ian crossland
Makes a lot of sense.
tim pool
And so what happens with these Pacific Northwest areas, why do you have so much rioting?
Because people are just in a dark place all the time.
ian crossland
And now they're in their houses, and they're told not to go out, and they can't go to work.
lydia smith
It's even worse.
tim pool
They're sitting in the corner, and there's like mold growing around them, and they're like, they're sitting there.
unidentified
It's horrible.
ian crossland
It's wet and moist.
Yeah, it's just gross.
unidentified
Not cool.
tim pool
They're sitting on an old pizza box.
ian crossland
It's still a beautiful city.
I don't know.
I've never been, actually.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I mentioned Portland's got this really great hot sauce called Secret Aardvark.
ian crossland
Ooh, what's in it?
tim pool
You had some, right?
You tried it?
ian crossland
Here?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
lydia smith
The Secret Aardvark sauce.
ian crossland
I know what it was called.
tim pool
Remember it had all those hot sauces and like, yeah, and then, yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah, those are great.
Portland.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
lydia smith
People keep sending us those.
tim pool
People keep sending us those.
ian crossland
Send us more.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, don't send us hot sauce.
ian crossland
No, we have enough.
lydia smith
I love hot sauce.
tim pool
We have enough.
unidentified
I mentioned it.
tim pool
I was like, I call it the Antifa hot sauce and people are like, wow, it's from Portland.
They go, oh, yeah.
lydia smith
Makes sense, yeah.
tim pool
And I'm like, no, that's probably mean because I don't think the people who own the company are like, they're probably just business owners, you know what I mean, doing their normal thing.
ian crossland
Support local business.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
unidentified
How about we jump over to Super Chats?
tim pool
You know, yeah, let's just read superchats.
What do we got here?
We'll pop out these superchats.
We're chillin'.
How you guys doing?
Hey, how about you guys follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and Parler at Timcast.
And you can smash that like button.
You can also follow at Ian Crossland on, what, Twitter, Instagram?
ian crossland
Yeah, all of the above.
tim pool
All of the above.
And of course, at Sour Patch Lids.
Sour Patch L-Y-D-S.
But now we're gonna read your superchats to see what you have to say about our Crazy conversations.
That's a really good point.
I don't think humans desire freedom the only freedom that has been desired by all peoples in all places in all times
is the freedom Of your tribe ethnicity or nation in regards to political
or and individual freedom most people across history have not cared for it
That's a really good point. I'm one of those anomalous individuals where I just want to be left alone by everybody
Yeah, I just like if I had to make a choice. I'd be like I'm gonna. I'm gonna take his pointy stick
I'm gonna keep walking that way you can all just leave me alone
I'll find my own rabbits to eat, I'm gonna die of rabbit starvation.
But how would you enforce that?
ian crossland
The weird thing about freedom is that we have to enforce a state of freedom by creating a non-free system.
So like, we impose ourselves with all these laws so that we have this semblance of freedom within it.
tim pool
Yeah, it's like we created these barriers around us, and then say, here's the things you can't do.
And the denser the population, the less freedom you have.
ian crossland
Yeah, in order to establish freedom.
tim pool
But it's not even, it's like... It's not to establish freedom.
It's just... You have true freedom when you're in the middle of the woods.
Like, go to Antarctica, you'll have freedom.
You know what I mean?
ian crossland
Good point.
Deep space, totally free.
tim pool
Listen, in what part of the world could you strip nude and not have to worry about any other human taking offense?
The jungle.
Sahara desert, you know what I mean?
ian crossland
Rainforest.
But you can't live there, that's the thing.
True freedom is not habitable.
Like you need like domestication.
tim pool
There's like, there's like a bubble of freedom, right?
The further you live from a city, the bigger your personal freedom bubble gets.
lydia smith
True.
tim pool
So one of the reasons I want to move out here is for one, to get away from the
cities for a lot of reasons, mostly the escalating violence and the protests.
But I want to play music.
You can't play music in New York.
You cannot.
You're, you're, you're, you're stacked on top.
unidentified
Not inside, yeah.
ian crossland
You need to rent a studio.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
And so they create those spaces now where it's like really noisy inside and you have these little cubicle rooms to play in.
So I was like, you move out of the city and your freedom bubble starts expanding.
When you live in the city, your freedom bubble is literally just around your body.
ian crossland
Dude, the smell, too.
You're never free in the city because of that smell.
The brake dust going in your lungs.
tim pool
No, but think about it.
I could yell at the top of my lungs right now.
We all could just scream and we're fine.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
But if you're in New York city, you can't do that.
ian crossland
Not really.
tim pool
No, you can't do it.
Yeah.
So you, your freedom is curtailed, you know?
lydia smith
So is it, is it weird that I like the book of Eli, the movie, because he's spends most of it walking across the desert by himself.
I'm like, that's perfect.
tim pool
I like, I like that movie because he's like self-reliant and says, leave me alone.
lydia smith
Yeah.
He's doing his own thing.
ian crossland
It reminds me of The Alchemist.
You guys ever read that?
No.
Awesome book.
Also travels across the desert.
lydia smith
Very cool.
Perfect.
That's what I want to do.
tim pool
Let's read some more.
Let's read some more Super Chats.
Also smash that like button if you have not done that already.
unidentified
Hit it!
tim pool
Jane McGirr says, strange laws in 1838 removed 1976 Missouri Governor Boggs issued Executive Order 44 and it states, the Mormons must be treated as enemies and must be... Wow!
He says, is this real?
Exterminated or driven from the state if necessary?
For the public peace.
Wow, man, that's creepy, scary stuff.
We got First Amendment, man, you can't do that.
People don't realize that the Constitution is actually stronger today than when we first started the country.
But now it's getting a lot weaker.
Like the fact that they would say that in this country.
ian crossland
Yeah, what, it was like a local law?
tim pool
Free speech was not a thing, man.
Like, there was, like, we had obscenity laws.
Look, George Carlin got arrested for the seven words you can't say on TV.
ian crossland
Dude, men couldn't wear, couldn't go out without a shirt on until like 1915 or 17 or something.
They had to vote to get that.
lydia smith
Decency stuff, yeah.
ian crossland
Yeah, you couldn't show the nipple.
lydia smith
Wow, the Mormon extermination order.
unidentified
What?
lydia smith
Holy moly.
tim pool
How is that possible in this country, you know?
lydia smith
That's crazy.
tim pool
Yeah, the saying is legit, it's legit.
Here we got another one.
Simius the first says people will tolerate tyranny as long as it is from your own tribe
Look at Zimbabwe the black people fought against the tyranny of the white government when they won Mugabe came to power
Zimbabwe tolerated tyranny for decades because he was one of their own unfortunate, but true. That's creepy
Nelson care Karayannis says Tim have you heard the podcast called it
could happen here in It's pertaining to an American Civil War.
There is a section in it about how rural people can live without internet and electricity and crush a city by shutting down trucking, water, food, etc.
Yes, absolutely.
People don't realize I was reading something about it.
They said, I think something like 16 people could win a civil war against the United States.
lydia smith
Oh wow.
tim pool
Because all they would need to do is pre-plan and coordinate interstate highway shutdowns for an extended period of time.
Yep.
So there's like... Trucker strikes.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, it's creepy stuff, man.
People don't realize how delicate the system is.
It really is.
Yep, so yeah, it's creepy stuff man. People don't realize how delicate the system is.
ian crossland
It really is.
tim pool
Imagine you have this giant machine, like it's printing newspapers, right? It's huge.
And you take one little like, you know, I don't know.
unidentified
Paperclip?
tim pool
A paperclip.
And you chuck it in and it gets into a gear and... It gives me hope because the system is so easy to destroy, but it's so hard to get it right.
ian crossland
And we get it right.
Like on a daily basis, humans get it right.
We drive down the street, it's 70 miles an hour past each other, within a few feet of thousands of times a day, and we get it right.
We're built to get it right.
tim pool
I often think about this like when I see a squirrel and like the squirrel like climbs the top of a tree and it's like 50 feet up and it jumps like 15 feet to the next tree and then catches the branch and I'm like, do they ever fall?
Cause I skateboard and I fall, you know, and I'm good at skateboarding.
I've been skateboarding for, for man, like over 20 years and I still fall.
I'm like, how does that squirrel just get it right every time?
Well, the truth is they probably don't.
You know, but then I think about driving, and I'm on the highway, and there's like a two-foot divider, and I'm going 70, and then the car's going 70, go right past each other.
ian crossland
Yeah, when your life's on the line.
tim pool
And it's like, whatever, you know, I'm not worried.
ian crossland
You get it right.
lydia smith
It's amazing we don't crash more.
tim pool
I know, it's incredible.
ian crossland
We're geniuses.
We're genius machines.
tim pool
We're good at what we do.
We're good tools, yeah.
Let's see, Olamondorius says, I've basically got a form letter set up to copy and paste
whenever someone tries to lie about the coronavirus response.
And another for when someone says Trump said to drink bleach with reference links and everything.
It's gone to that point.
lydia smith
That's great.
tim pool
It's crazy.
I remember when people started accusing Sarah Palin of saying, I can see Russia from my house.
ian crossland
Oh, I remember that.
tim pool
Because Tina Fey made a joke.
ian crossland
Oh, she never actually said it?
tim pool
No.
ian crossland
Geez, the media.
lydia smith
It was Saturday Night Live, wasn't it?
tim pool
The funniest thing is that Sarah Palin's point was actually a pretty good one.
She said that part of her experience as the governor of Alaska could help the U.S.
because she actually deals with relations with Russia.
When Russia—there's the Bering Strait, there's a trade strait, and so you have a lot of vehicle traffic, and they have to coordinate with Russia when these ships and everything are going through.
And she's like, so we work with them regularly.
I mean, you can see Russia from Alaska standing at the westernmost point.
Sarah, then Tina Fey on Saturday Night Live goes, I can see Russia from my house!
And everyone laughed at her.
And now they, it's like a joke.
And I think about it and I'm like, and what if you could see Russia from your house?
ian crossland
You remember when, I think it was, was it Alec Baldwin was doing Trump?
Somebody was doing Trump on SNL a lot when he first got elected and then they stopped.
lydia smith
Yeah.
ian crossland
Everyone just stopped.
lydia smith
They did kind of quit.
ian crossland
No more Trump on SNL.
tim pool
Well, they brought him back though.
No, they brought him back.
Alec Baldwin started doing it.
And it's the weirdest thing to me that Alec Baldwin's impression of Trump is probably the worst impression.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's not good.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's terrible.
tim pool
It's not a real impression.
lydia smith
He looks nothing like Trump.
ian crossland
He's just really famous.
tim pool
He does this weird thing where he, like, closes his eyes and, like, hangs his mouth open.
That's so stupid.
ian crossland
Unfortunately, Larry David was not a good Bernie Sanders either.
lydia smith
Oh, he's better.
But he looks just like him.
unidentified
He's good.
lydia smith
No, that was a good... I don't like... I think he's good.
ian crossland
He was just being Larry David.
unidentified
That's true.
ian crossland
Kind of overly angry.
tim pool
That's true, that's true.
lydia smith
That's true.
They're just, like, kind of angry.
tim pool
The Trump impersonations, though, were just awful.
I'm like, they're not actually impersonating Trump.
They're just trying to... It's their idea of Trump.
But Alec Baldwin not only didn't act like him, he didn't sound like him.
They put him in a suit and said, you're Trump now.
unidentified
And he's like, I am Trump.
tim pool
I am playing Trump.
ian crossland
I thought your impersonation of John Oliver yesterday was the best.
lydia smith
I don't remember what I said.
ian crossland
Remember The Orange Man?
He's very bad.
unidentified
The Orange Man is bad!
tim pool
John Oliver.
I should actually do some impersonations.
I'm actually really good.
You guys liked my Alex Jones earlier?
lydia smith
Yeah, it's great.
unidentified
I love him.
I don't know why, I just feel like I can... It's because you're two steps away from Alex Jones.
tim pool
It is.
ian crossland
You have a studio around you, you know?
The essence of what he experiences.
tim pool
Somebody mentioned he, like, shouted me out or something.
lydia smith
Oh, how funny.
tim pool
I appreciate that.
ian crossland
He'd be a hilarious guest.
tim pool
I can handle it.
lydia smith
Dude, Alex is the man.
tim pool
I remember back in the... He's entertaining.
Yeah, he really is.
I mean, you know, I don't watch his stuff to comment, but I remember when the Epstein stuff came out, people, I think Joe Rogan may have said this, people were like, they owe this guy an apology.
Alex Jones.
ian crossland
He's been calling out for a long time.
tim pool
Yeah, but he's been calling out a lot of stuff.
unidentified
I know.
tim pool
Like when he talked about the interdimensional aliens.
ian crossland
Oh my gosh, it's so weird.
Entertainment first, news second.
lydia smith
Yeah, exactly.
That's a good rule of thumb for Alex.
tim pool
All right, let's read some more of these.
Let's see what we got here.
Let's see.
Morgan Lippincott says, do you think an American version of the BBC or CBC would help in ending the craziness with the mainstream news media?
The answer is no, because we already have PBS and NPR.
ian crossland
Are those national?
Are they literally national or are they privately owned?
I think PBS is privately owned, isn't it?
lydia smith
Made possible by donations from viewers like you.
tim pool
So maybe it's not the same.
lydia smith
It's not, yeah.
tim pool
But NPR is funded- No.
lydia smith
Yeah, National Public Radio?
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
I think it's funded by grants.
tim pool
We also have, like, Voice of America.
Don't we have that, right?
unidentified
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Like, Voice of Europe or something?
I don't know, whatever.
ian crossland
But like a national- I don't- We don't have, like, the CBC.
I don't- It would have to- Yeah.
It would have to be done right, because the government's no better than a corrupt corporation if it's gone wrong.
lydia smith
But it could be harder to influence.
tim pool
I don't know.
You know, I will say, though, but I probably would like our own version of that.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, just because I like the competition.
You know?
lydia smith
I love the idea of C-SPAN.
That works really well.
If we could have more like C-SPAN, I'd be happy.
tim pool
C-SPAN's fantastic.
unidentified
Yeah.
There's no bias.
tim pool
Alright, let's see what we got here.
Jack Daw says, I have white privilege.
I start a business renting out my white privilege.
Pay me and I will advocate on behalf of POC.
Very cool.
Go to court, banks, and buy property for my POC clients.
Sit at home gaining wealth and land paid for by the labor of my POC.
That's actually a really good point.
If POC, I'm sorry, if white privilege is property, then you could be a whiteness firm and be like, right?
lydia smith
You can rent out your body.
tim pool
I'll be the one who files your paperwork.
I'll be the one who goes to court for you.
ian crossland
It sounds like slavery.
Stay away.
lydia smith
That's great.
unidentified
Yeah, I know.
tim pool
And you sign away your power of attorney, and then I just represent you.
So it's like the dude gets arrested, and you go to court, and they're like, it says here that the man who got arrested is a 5'8 Hispanic male, and there's like a 6'3 blonde-haired, blue-eyed white guy, and he goes, I have power of attorney, and I will be representing him as him, and I have a lawyer.
lydia smith
I identify as this person.
tim pool
I identify as him.
unidentified
Boom.
lydia smith
Done.
Nailed it.
tim pool
He's working on a name tag and then he's like, I reserve my right to remain silent, your honor.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
And then the judge goes, you know, I had some assumptions about you, but I was wrong.
There's something about you that's just different from what I expected.
Case dismissed!
lydia smith
So trustworthy.
tim pool
Yeah, so trustworthy.
Little Bear says, Marine, veteran, and truck.
I drove through most of those areas days ago.
Sky was orange and red like out of a horror movie.
Love y'all work and stay motivated.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's crazy, right?
ian crossland
So are the fires making it hotter and the hotness is making more fire.
unidentified
I wonder.
tim pool
Blocking out the sun, maybe, though?
ian crossland
You'd think it'd be cooler if there was no sunlight.
Unless it's just keeping the heat from escaping.
tim pool
People are going to have lung problems.
lydia smith
Seriously.
ian crossland
Weirdo.
tim pool
Michelle Therese says apparently 90% of arsonists had recorded mental health history, and very few can be rehabilitated.
Very scary.
Ian is a great fill-in guest.
I vote we keep him.
All right, there you go.
lydia smith
Very good vote, yeah.
ian crossland
Thank you so much.
And by the way, I read the chat last night after the show.
I re-watched the show and read the chat.
You guys are hilarious.
lydia smith
I love you so much.
ian crossland
I had to expose myself.
lydia smith
I love our chat, okay?
They're wonderful.
ian crossland
You guys are great.
This is so fun.
tim pool
Let's see, Hasim Retna says, Video from Neda on Twitter of live radio from northeast of black Subaru from Texas driving an i205 throwing Molotovs out the window.
Oh, man.
Ham radio frequency 155.430, 155.110.
Keep up the great work.
Wow, man.
I wouldn't be surprised because people, people, like, it's the Joker, man.
They want to watch the world burn.
ian crossland
I'm telling you, a copycat, if they see the article, they don't even know it's something they can do until they see someone else do it.
lydia smith
Here's my chance to get away with it.
tim pool
Alright, let's see.
John Hutto says, if voting by mail is secure, why do I have to be in person with ID to buy a gun?
Can't they prove I'm me via the mail the same way they do voting?
lydia smith
There you go!
tim pool
What's more important?
Your right to vote?
So, what's more dangerous?
Someone getting a gun or losing your right to vote?
ian crossland
Well, to find danger.
tim pool
What I mean is, if a civilization, if the people lose their right to vote.
ian crossland
That's more existentially dangerous.
tim pool
Exactly.
lydia smith
In the long term, for sure.
tim pool
Fascism, right?
Oh, so there we go.
So we need voter ID.
We need to shore up the security for our votes and everything.
lydia smith
True.
tim pool
And then get gunned by mail.
unidentified
Yes!
lydia smith
Okay, perfect.
Yeah, that's good compromise.
ian crossland
Well, you can 3D print guns.
That's a whole other can of worms.
tim pool
You know, one of my favorite things that people, like the conservatives, are saying right now is that if gun ownership is a right guaranteed by the Constitution, then it should be subsidized.
ian crossland
That'd be cool.
What if they gave everyone a gun for their 18th birthday?
unidentified
That'd be so cool!
lydia smith
I don't think that would be a good idea.
ian crossland
Or at least pay you back most of the taxes or whatever.
tim pool
If we had training programs, which we probably should, and kids knew how to shoot and all that stuff, I would have loved to experience something like that.
The GMV?
No, the DGV.
lydia smith
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
The Department of... No, it's not the DGV.
lydia smith
Department of Gun Vehicles?
tim pool
Yeah, that doesn't make sense.
lydia smith
Yeah, no, I want a gun vehicle.
tim pool
It would just be like the gun commission.
lydia smith
Okay, that works too.
tim pool
Let's see.
Ahmad Khan says, I am a Trump-supporting Muslim going to one of the most left-leaning college campuses in the U.S.
So many Muslims just support Democrats when we have a lot of conservative values that Democrats trample.
Love the show.
Good luck.
That's what I don't get.
It feels like there are so many groups that are very conservative, but for some reason just vote for Democrats.
lydia smith
So weird.
Yeah.
Hispanics and African Americans.
I don't understand.
tim pool
Yeah.
That's awesome.
That's so cool.
That's huge.
One guy.
guys, thank you for keeping us informed. Hopefully you'll replace CNN soon. That's the goal.
And proud to say we're about 50% of the... So when it comes to TV ratings, my channels
obliterate all of the primetime hosts.
lydia smith
That's so cool.
tim pool
When it comes to CNN online, I get just over 50% of what their views are.
ian crossland
That's huge. One guy.
tim pool
But they do have a bunch of other channels too. And they pump out crazy amounts of videos
and YouTube props them up.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
So I think in terms of influence, it's not just about me.
It's like Crowder and Styx and these are like the go-to people I name and like Kyle Kalinske and then like even The Young Turks.
Way more influential than a lot of these mainstream channels.
ian crossland
CNN's like a network of how many people work at CNN?
lydia smith
Over a lot.
tim pool
Hundreds, yeah.
Yeah, but one guy can go on the internet and complain about stuff.
ian crossland
Dude, what a world.
tim pool
To be fair, though, CNN employs a ton of people who do boots-on-the-ground reporting, although I think they don't do that great.
And they do, you know, ear-to-the-phone reporting.
I do very little.
Most of my stuff right now is commentary, but that's one of the big plans I have.
We've been trying to get a space for over a year.
And the goal for the space was actually to hire journalists so that we would actually start doing this.
And we do have, you know, we do have our friends over at SCNR who are literally doing on-the-ground journalism and stuff like that, so I don't wanna act like we're not contributing.
But the goal I have is to do a lot more original reporting.
ian crossland
That's gonna be awesome.
tim pool
So, less of looking at, like, a Fox article.
Like, right now we got, like, a Fox article pulled up.
Nah, we get our own sources.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That way we know for sure, like, so check it out.
We did this original story.
We talked about this guy, how we say, yeah, he was a supporter of Black Lives Matter.
There's no article explaining all of this.
So I want to get someone who can break it down and say, to the best of our understanding, this guy very likely was, here's why, here's the source, here's what we've confirmed.
lydia smith
Yeah, kind of like Axios style, simplified, easy to understand.
tim pool
Yeah, and then we would actually have our independent sources and we could talk about it.
lydia smith
That'd be great.
tim pool
All right, let's read some more of these here questions.
Stoked.
Kill everyone!
Full self-preservation.
I'm just not feeling it today.
Protect me at all costs.
conundrums. The solution is simple. Put a slider in the settings menu that lets
the driver choose the level of self-preservation they are comfortable
unidentified
with. Kill everyone! I don't want to die. Protect me at all costs.
tim pool
All right, let's see we got. Scrog CW says, Tim please do real research on Oath
They are not far-right terrorists.
We are veterans, etc., that have sworn an oath to defend our Constitution from enemies foreign or domestic.
lydia smith
Right, that's what I was saying.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think that's what we were saying.
lydia smith
Yeah, so I don't believe they're far-right.
tim pool
Yeah, the article said they were, but that's ridiculous.
And you even said they were, like, middle of the road.
Constitutionalists.
Is that water?
ian crossland
He thirsty.
tim pool
He's drinking your water?
ian crossland
Yeah, well, it's his water now.
tim pool
You can see him on the camera.
It's awesome.
He just jams his face in your water and starts drinking it.
Yeah, so I met the Oath Keepers in Ferguson, and it was really funny because they were walking around during the riots, and then some people started yelling at them, like, what are you doing here?
And they're like, we're here to keep everyone safe.
And they're like, well, then you should be protecting us from the police.
And they're like, we are.
lydia smith
We are.
tim pool
And then somebody was like, wait, what?
He's like, yeah, definitely.
We think the cop's stepping out of line.
lydia smith
They're cerebellum-fused.
tim pool
They're like, wait, what?
lydia smith
Like, what?
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, they were like, we don't like the cops stepping out of line, so we're here to make sure everybody stays safe.
And I was like, interesting.
lydia smith
Yeah, I like that.
ian crossland
It's the neutrality of the American Constitution.
lydia smith
That's how it should be, exactly.
tim pool
So Zhang the Great says, we must make sure our turnouts on election day are greater than 53% of the state population.
They cannot ballot harvest or mail in back-end victory with a population that doesn't exist.
Yeah, well, a lot of people don't know or care, man.
Look at him, he's going at that water.
He's chugging.
He doesn't drink all day and then he chugs.
He doesn't trust any water but yours.
lydia smith
He's like a poison tester.
ian crossland
He's royalty.
tim pool
He's like, I'm not going to drink this random ball on the ground, are you nuts?
lydia smith
That's so weird.
tim pool
All right, let's see what we got here.
Reginald Enterprises says, one thing the militias have on both sides is the radio waves.
A lot of them are ham radio operators and can communicate across the country without external assistance.
Interesting.
What's the range on ham?
It's like super far.
ian crossland
Yeah, it is, I think.
It bounces off the stratosphere, I believe.
lydia smith
We should learn more about it.
ian crossland
We should get, yeah, we should build something.
tim pool
We should definitely.
unidentified
We could build a tower.
tim pool
Yeah.
Let's do it.
I knew a dude once who created a pirate radio station, and he got in serious trouble.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
lydia smith
Oh, that's cool, though.
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
I mean, that's not terrible.
tim pool
Well, I don't know him very well.
It was a guy I met at a party in L.A., a friend of a friend, who was like, he got arrested, I guess.
He didn't really get in that much trouble.
They were like, dude, don't do that.
ian crossland
He was like, okay.
tim pool
He was like, cool thing.
lydia smith
Oh, your friends are criminals.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
All right, let's see what we got here.
We read this one.
We read this one.
Jeffrey Paris says, check out the book Influx by Daniel Suarez.
It's about culturally disruptive tech, like AI and cold fusion, controlled by the government.
The central theme is, it is the nature of consciousness to resist domination.
Whirl-a-bee Scott says, watch the TV series Continuum, all based around corporate government.
Seems what corporations are trying to do.
It reminds me of that, I think it was a Family Guy joke, where they were making a parody of like an 80s sci-fi movie, and it was like two people running on Mars towards a building, and they're like, oh no, it's the corporation!
Like, the government is the corporation or whatever.
ian crossland
Yeah, that terraforming Mars is all about corporations.
lydia smith
Yeah, that makes sense.
ian crossland
You know, taking the lead, which is basically what Elon's doing.
unidentified
Gotta outsource it.
tim pool
Oh man, we got a bunch.
Thank you everyone!
ian crossland
Jump on in!
tim pool
The Mighty Mitochondria says, love the show.
Wish you guys the best of luck.
You nailed the sentiment of Seattle in the Northwest.
As someone who lives in the suburbs of Seattle, it is quite depressing here, but compared to that of rural parts, it's a completely different state.
lydia smith
Interesting.
tim pool
Interesting, yeah.
No, not yet.
Black and White says, it's about time you talked the possibility of civil war, Tim.
The American people need to know it could happen.
You have a responsibility to keep giving us the unadulterated truth.
So far, we are all proud of you and Lydia.
Appreciate it.
Not Ian, though.
lydia smith
Nobody likes Ian.
unidentified
No, not yet.
Not yet.
tim pool
He's got to earn it.
Lawrence Atuk says, Tim, dialing in from the end of the world, Hawaii.
Love your show and what you're doing.
How are you liking your guns that you bought?
Have you had a chance to get out and shoot practice?
I have not, but I really love it when friends come over and I'm like, hey, I know where I hide my own guns.
unidentified
That's good.
tim pool
And then we go, I have a safe.
lydia smith
Isn't this crazy?
I know where I keep my own weaponry.
tim pool
You guys want to see where I hide my guns?
Interesting.
Dude, how amazing would it be to be a squirrel?
You could just climb up to the top of a tree and go like, yeah!
And just jump off and go woo!
I love those animals.
I feed them nuts.
Do you ever feed squirrels?
lydia smith
This dude's chugging, man.
tim pool
Dude, how amazing would it be to be a squirrel?
You could just like climb up to the top of a tree and go like,
Yeah! And just jump off and go, Woo!
ian crossland
I love those animals. I feed them nuts.
Do you ever feed squirrels a hang?
tim pool
This dude's chugging, man.
ian crossland
He wants it.
lydia smith
If he eat a salt block.
ian crossland
Get some milk.
tim pool
Now he stops. He knows we're talking about him.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
ian crossland
Too much energy.
tim pool
What about cats? Cats can survive.
Like, they like spread out and they like, you know.
lydia smith
They can survive falls.
ian crossland
They can, like, long distances too.
I don't know the physics of it.
tim pool
So there's something called, yeah.
I have an idea that I want to do.
I I had this idea for a lightweight carbon fiber wingsuit for cats.
And the way it works is, you know how when cats jump, they'll put their legs out?
Yeah.
That motion will release the glider.
ian crossland
That's cool.
tim pool
So when they jump, the wings come out, and then they glide, but when they land and their legs go down, it reverses the mechanism and folds the wings back up.
ian crossland
If it's lightweight enough, I think they'd get down with that.
tim pool
We're going to throw the cat off the porch, aren't we?
Thin carbon fiber.
ian crossland
Another reason to start a graphene revolution.
tim pool
And then you can, we're not going to throw the cat anywhere.
I was going to say.
We're going to make it so that when he's jumping between the couch and the coffee table, he glides.
ian crossland
Betsy could use one of those.
lydia smith
I want to be a flying squirrel.
tim pool
Yeah, well she's too fat.
She's too thump, thump, thump.
I don't want her to thump.
Betsy's very fat.
lydia smith
She bounces, it's okay.
tim pool
All right, what do we got here?
Colin Sanders says, look up comprehensive sexuality education.
Sex ed starting at kindergarten, present in 27 states.
Texas is debating it November.
Whoa, really?
ian crossland
Wow.
tim pool
Now, I gotta be fair.
I don't think there's a problem with some sex ed at, like, any grade, but it's gotta be, like... What I mean by that is, teaching kindergartners about boys and girls are different.
lydia smith
Right, of course.
tim pool
And teaching first graders about... Times have changed.
ian crossland
Kids are seeing pornography at, like, age four on the internet.
unidentified
So maybe you have to start giving them the full... No, you don't.
tim pool
I don't think so.
lydia smith
Keep your kids away from that.
ian crossland
But I mean, then they go to school and one kid has an iPhone and shows all the other ones.
tim pool
Dude, when I was in 6th grade, some kid printed out a bunch of stuff and like... Homeschool your kids!
Yeah, dude, definitely homeschool your kids, man.
lydia smith
At least until a certain age.
tim pool
Definitely homeschool your kids, man.
Kayleen Mim says, Crowder does the best, the best impression of Trump.
Okay.
Oh, everybody agrees.
Crazy Dog Lay says, the riots have taken place during the PNW sunny season.
Rarely rains in the summer.
But yes, yes, yes.
But what I just mean is like people there are more depressed than like on average.
So yeah, you have the sunny season for sure.
I just think people are really, you know, kind of all the time.
lydia smith
Yes.
Just like that.
ian crossland
Without the vitamin D. Yes.
tim pool
Yeah, definitely.
Oh man, I wonder, yeah, so was COVID more prevalent in the Pacific Northwest?
unidentified
Wow.
ian crossland
I wonder.
lydia smith
Wasn't that where it started in Washington?
It totally was.
Oh, that's right.
unidentified
You're right.
lydia smith
That's right, that's right.
Okay, figured it out.
tim pool
Zappi says, Tim, did you hear about the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomy Region Committee being credited in the new Mulan movie?
I heard they are one of the organizations that are responsible for the mistreatment of Uyghur Muslims.
Yeah.
That's correct.
Now you've got people saying, I don't normally want boycotts, but I kind of think we should boycott Disney.
lydia smith
Both sides do, yeah.
tim pool
Here we go.
Shadow of Machines says, there is the civilian marksmanship program.
It should be expanded.
ian crossland
That's cool.
tim pool
I'm gonna look it up.
Greek Oasis says, on the subject of how fragile our system is, just remember that September 11th was orchestrated by 19 extremists.
Seriously, man.
Knocked down a couple buildings.
And that anniversary is tomorrow, man.
ian crossland
Oh, it is!
Didn't see that coming.
tim pool
Never forget.
ian crossland
That's a great topic.
tim pool
Nannin says, my high school had a pistol and a 100-yard rifle range.
Shooting 22LR rifles was part of gym class.
They had to remove the firearms class and built tennis courts over the range in the late 90s.
That's kind of a bummer, man.
Gregory Chu says, FYI, before the Gun Control Act of 1968, you could order guns by mail and have them delivered straight to your home.
lydia smith
Oh, man.
tim pool
What?
What happened?
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
You know what it was, though?
A lot of racists.
ian crossland
It was like the chaos of the 60s with the hippie movement and the Black Panther movement and then Nixon trying to quash it all.
There was all that, they must have legislated away gun rights or something.
tim pool
So I was watching something and they said there was a lot of racists who didn't want to see... It's actually really interesting.
I was watching something, you know Adam Ruins Everything?
Yeah.
They did something, I think it was Adam Ruins Everything, where they had a conservative guy and a liberal guy and like they're arguing and then he like explains things and explains how gun control is racist.
And then they show some, like, mock Black Panthers, and I actually appreciated this, when he says, you know, it was actually in California, they didn't want the Black Panthers to be armed, so they started passing gun control laws.
And then the conservative character in the show says, these are just law-abiding citizens who wanted to protect themselves from tyrannical government.
And I was like...
Yeah, that's right!
The fact that they did this calling gun control racist, and at least in one part depicted the conservative as not being a racist, and really understanding why there are revolutionary groups that wanted guns, I'm like, and it's principled.
Like, the Black Panthers showed up in Virginia at that big gun control protest.
And people were like, awesome!
Because those people actually had principles for what they believed in when it comes to 2A.
That's right.
It's like you've got the NFAC.
What's that?
The Not F'ing Around Coalition.
Walking around with guns and it's like, just a bunch of Americans doing what they're legally allowed to do.
ian crossland
With 3D printing guns, the way that they're advancing that technology, Trying to legislate that away is just going to make a mockery of the system.
So I think we have to, there's a reckoning coming.
tim pool
There was a photo, there was a news story that was getting some traction and like the left was propping it up.
It was a bunch of black dudes in Michigan standing on the Capitol building with like rifles and handguns.
And they were like, look at this, you know, this is, you know, whatever, blah, blah, blah.
We're standing up for our rights and something.
And I said, it's not, this is, you know why, you know why that's not news?
Why is it news that some guys are standing on a public staircase with guns?
lydia smith
It's not.
tim pool
It's not news.
ian crossland
It probably shouldn't be.
tim pool
It's not.
So the news story is, breaking news, Americans exercise rights.
Yeah, okay, thank you.
Have a nice day.
ian crossland
That's out of the norm or something?
tim pool
But it was because a bunch of right-wing individuals showed up and the media said they were like terrorists and extremists.
And then the left had their coalition of, you know, like, minority-led groups that were armed.
And they were like, aha, see, we can do it too.
But the right, the 2A people were like, thank you, yes, that's very awesome.
lydia smith
This is so funny.
unidentified
We agree.
tim pool
We want you to protest.
It helps us.
We're not mad at you.
lydia smith
This is so funny to me because there's a picture circulating on the internet of a family that's armed, like, to the teeth.
They're African-American and they're like, what do you think about this?
And everyone's like, that's fantastic.
We love that.
tim pool
My response was they should have given the baby a squirt gun.
unidentified
I know, right?
tim pool
Like, the baby's the only one who's not armed.
Should we give the babies some?
ian crossland
Were you guys allowed to play with toy guns when you were little?
lydia smith
Oh, totally.
tim pool
Of course, yeah.
ian crossland
We were.
tim pool
Remember the cap guns?
Oh, I love those things.
Yeah, we did.
You get the paper wheel of light and then you put it in.
Smash it with a rock.
And when you pull the trigger, it goes pop, pop, pop.
unidentified
Yeah, I love that.
ian crossland
It's got like gunpowder in it or something.
tim pool
I'm gonna order some of those.
ian crossland
Those still exist?
lydia smith
I remember the smell.
tim pool
I'm sure, yeah.
ian crossland
American made.
tim pool
Yeah, maybe.
ian crossland
Let's find it.
lydia smith
I bet they're illegal, though.
ian crossland
We had super soakers.
tim pool
Yeah, dude.
lydia smith
Those are very cool.
tim pool
Yeah, super soakers are cool.
ian crossland
What an invention.
tim pool
Definitely.
Addicted to Adrenaline says, Hey, Tim, what happened to the other guy, Adam?
Just curious.
I probably missed it.
If you have already addressed it, my bad.
If that's the case, keep up the good work, my friend.
He's doing his own show.
He's doing his own show with his own guests and everything.
ian crossland
Which I have been on.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
And Ian, like, as a go, he goes back and forth.
ian crossland
Join.
tim pool
He's on two shows, and he's in the other room with his studio.
So it's like, you know, we hang out, we skate, we do our thing, and he's doing his own show.
And it's like taking off.
So it's still linked in the YouTube channel.
You can see his channel and the stuff he produces.
ian crossland
He just had Corey DeAngelo on talking about school choice last Saturday.
lydia smith
Yeah, cool stuff.
tim pool
Karlyn Borysenko.
lydia smith
Good stuff.
tim pool
Charlie Charlie says, I consult for an IT company in Cali.
Last week we had a talk about removing offensive terms from our code.
Blacklist, whitelist, server, slave, cop, etc.
unidentified
What?
What all?
tim pool
Found out there's a whole movement about it.
Yup.
lydia smith
Oh, give me a break.
tim pool
Oh man.
unidentified
Yeah.
Dude.
tim pool
You didn't know that?
Did you not know that?
ian crossland
Server?
tim pool
Yes.
lydia smith
They're making it up at this point.
tim pool
So when you go to a restaurant and you're like, who's my waitress?
Sir, that's offensive.
They're called servers.
Excuse me, server?
That's offensive.
I am not a server for you.
I am a food dispensary specialist.
ian crossland
Oh man, why?
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
Is this good?
unidentified
No.
lydia smith
This is retarded.
It's stupid.
ian crossland
You're taking it too far.
lydia smith
Pardon my French.
tim pool
Now you're going to get in trouble.
lydia smith
Now I'm going to get in trouble.
ian crossland
Blacklist.
lydia smith
I know, right?
unidentified
Now you're in trouble.
Okay, okay.
ian crossland
I got us on the wrong thing.
tim pool
All right, okay.
You know what?
Lydia, you just crossed the line.
Yeah?
You said the offensive word, so we're shutting it off.
All right.
I'm just kidding.
lydia smith
I'm just kidding.
We're ending it.
unidentified
No, it's 10.03.
It's 10.03.
tim pool
You know, let me just say to everybody, it is, it's actually fairly difficult to do guest bookings right now because of the lockdown.
And so we've had a couple cancellations and it has a lot to do with one political uncertainty around, a lot of people are scrambling and things are very, very chaotic as we get closer to the election.
And we're actually just ramping up the guest bookings and all this stuff.
So, you know, we'll probably end up with cancellations or whatever, but it's fine because we're hanging out, we're gonna do the show, you know, Ian's hanging out.
lydia smith
Always have a good time.
tim pool
But I believe we are scheduled for Kimberly Klesik tomorrow.
Correct.
And we didn't have Will Chamberlain.
And we didn't get Brandon Strzok.
I don't know if I announced the Brandon thing though.
lydia smith
Nope, we didn't. I kept it low key for that very reason.
tim pool
Yeah, we were hoping to get Brandon back in here, but he's super busy as well.
And hopefully we'll have Kimberly tomorrow.
But just, you know, I think we're trying to get...
Like, we had Sean Parnell in here, and that was amazing.
lydia smith
We had so much fun the other week, yeah.
tim pool
But he's like the candidate right now for the house.
unidentified
He is, yeah.
tim pool
He's a hot topic.
It's like one of the most important races and I'm privileged to, honored that he was, you know, able to come in.
So trying to get some really important and busy people, you know, we'll see how it plays out.
But we'll be here Monday through Friday at 8 p.m.
anyway, hanging out live.
And so come back and hang out.
We'll have clips throughout the day tomorrow, hopefully tomorrow night.
I believe we are scheduled for Kimberley Classic, so that should be really interesting and fun.
We'll talk about a lot of issues.
Other than that, you can follow me on Twitter, Instagram, and Parler at TimCast.
And you can check out my other channels at YouTube.com slash TimCast and YouTube.com slash TimCastNews.
And of course, you can follow Ian at IanCrossland on everywhere, Twitter, Instagram.
Are you on Parler?
ian crossland
I am on Parler, yeah.
And Mines.
unidentified
YouTube.
ian crossland
I have a YouTube channel which I barely use at the moment.
That may change in the future.
tim pool
And of course there's at Sour Patch Lids.
Sour Patch L-Y-D-S on Twitter and Parler.
lydia smith
Correct.
tim pool
And thanks for hanging out everybody.
Make sure you smash that like button because I see that, you know, people just stay in the night.
ian crossland
Subscribe.
Hit the bell button and share this video.
lydia smith
Push all the buttons.
ian crossland
Share it because people love it.
It's the best.
It's like the YouTube algorithm might not win.
I've seen a lot of your videos.
So you want to spread this for actually sharing the video is the best way to get it seen.
It's incredible what it can do.
tim pool
We should probably shout out in the beginning.
Like if you do, if you really like the show, share it right now.
ian crossland
Yeah.
My friends are watching.
I have some friends from home that I haven't seen in a long time watching.
It's just so fun to find out that people, you know, are It's crazy.
tim pool
I've had people hitting me up being like, dude, my brother watches your show.
ian crossland
And I'm like, wow, so connected.
The universe, like the Internet's allowing us to be to like show.
It's like the technology that's enhancing our connectivity.
tim pool
I just feel like a dude who complains about his feelings on the Internet.
You know, it works.
Holler.
Yeah.
Hey, thanks for hanging out, everybody.
We'll be back tomorrow at 8 p.m.
And thank you all for smashing that like button, subscribing and sharing.
We'll see you tomorrow.
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