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Sept. 9, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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Timcast IRL - Leaked Tapes Show Trump "Downplaying" COVID, Media Smears Omit Key Context
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tim pool
Donald Trump apparently gave a multitude of interviews with Bob Woodward, and now all of these leaked audiotapes are coming out.
I don't know if you can necessarily call them leaked, but they're getting leaked in snippets.
And then all of a sudden, just the smear machine is going insane.
unidentified
Donald Trump downplayed the coronavirus.
tim pool
As though we don't know exactly why he did it.
Because the story, particularly the one from Washington Post, straight up has Trump quoted saying, well, I don't want to create a panic.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
So when you actually read the news, you're like, hey, that's actually good of Donald Trump.
He didn't want everyone to panic.
He didn't want to cause undue stress to people.
But he knew it was going to be bad.
And that's why he took action early.
The craziest thing about all of the COVID stuff to me is that I I don't know what they're proposing Trump have done.
Like, they're saying Trump did a bad job, and I'm like, okay, well, what should he have done?
He banned travel in a bunch of different ways, he put out guidelines for the states, and then the states did their thing.
And they blamed him for it.
If I recall correctly, it wasn't Donald Trump who put sick COVID patients into nursing homes, resulting in thousands of elderly being killed.
And recently, someone apparently was flying a plane over New York that said Cuomo killed Nana.
That wasn't Trump.
I'll tell you what, the Democrats are absolutely going after low information voters, people who are just going to see the smears and they're going to believe it and think Donald Trump was doing this on purpose.
And I'll tell you what, you want to criticize the president on COVID, I'm more than happy to hear it.
I've even said in the past, I don't think he did the best possible thing anyone could have.
But then again, What should he or could he have done?
And that's the question.
If you can give me an answer to that, I'll have a conversation about it.
But for the most part, nobody's actually offered up anything other than Trump violating the 10th Amendment going in.
And anyway, I'm going to rant on this too much.
Ladies and gentlemen, I do have some bad news.
And unfortunately, Will Chamberlain couldn't join us today.
He had to cancel.
Hopefully, we will reschedule.
Just some personal stuff.
And hopefully, we'll have him back on soon because Will is a very intelligent lawyer, Trump supporter, who really could have helped us walk through this stuff.
But within Within this story is something even more important, in my opinion.
Donald Trump referring to white privilege as drinking the Kool-Aid.
I heard that and I swooned.
I went, oh, I fell over.
I was like, amazing.
I love it.
Well, we don't have Will, but joining me and Sour Patch Lids today is our buddy, Ian Crossland.
ian crossland
Sup, homie?
tim pool
Yeah.
How's it going, man?
ian crossland
Greatness.
tim pool
So I think a lot of you guys know Ian, and you know, Will couldn't make it, so I was like, Ian, come sit in the chair.
ian crossland
It's better than ever.
tim pool
Yeah, it's better than ever.
We need to complain about this weird intersectional lunacy.
So we'll definitely, we'll read through a lot of what they're saying about Trump and the smear piece, because this is like the big story of the day.
But before we do, first, make sure you smash that like button, subscribe, hit the notification bell, and I'd like to remind everybody that just about a week or so ago, a far-left Antifa Black Lives Matter guy with a big ol' fist tattoo on his neck stalked some Trump supporters and then put a bullet in the chest, two bullets, killing a Trump supporter.
So the reason I'm bringing this up is because they're trying to make us ignore what's happening with the riots.
And we're going to be talking a lot about this crazy intersectionality stuff because, you know, Trump brings up, you're drinking the Kool-Aid.
I'm absolutely impressed to hear this.
That in a candid interview from like quite some time ago, Donald Trump was like, white privilege, you're drinking the Kool-Aid.
And I'm like, Here, here.
Even though I actually kind of agree with some of the ideas around the social justice stuff, I think it's much better that you nip it in the bud and you push back and you say no to it than accept what these lunatics are doing.
Because the next story is University of Michigan, Dearborn.
They created a whites-only cafe.
I'm assuming it's some kind of, like, online portal thing they were doing.
Quite literally.
Now, to be fair, it's not whites-only.
It's non-POC, but basically means white-only.
And this is the logical conclusion of this fringe ideology, and if we don't push back on it, we are literally going to go back in time to segregation.
I've been saying this for a while.
I said it back in, like, 2015 or 2016, when there was, like, some graduation ceremony that was black-only.
We've seen this at the Black Lives Matter protests throughout the country.
I've personally witnessed this.
And when I saw that, I'm like, that's freaky.
Well, then we get these mainstream media articles that are saying things like, it's not racist to have black-only spaces.
Because, you know, marginalized people want to have their own safe space.
The logical conclusion, of course, Bret Weinstein.
They told him the white people have to leave the college.
Now we're seeing more universities say the same thing.
And the narrative that's emerging is that we have an anti-racist majority.
When in fact, these people who claim to be anti-racist are quite literally racist.
It is a semantic game.
So, you know what?
Instead of just ranting on literally every story we have, we'll just jump into the first one.
So, let's go for it.
And again, hit that like button.
So here's the big story that's sweeping the nation.
Woodward book.
Trump says he knew coronavirus was deadly and worse than the flu, while intentionally misleading Americans.
I'm not going to play any games.
I'm not even going to bury the lead.
I'm going to go straight down and show you the quote.
I still like playing it down because I don't want to create a panic.
And there it is.
We're done.
Thanks for hanging out, everybody.
ian crossland
We'll see you.
tim pool
I'm just kidding.
Trump admitted to Woodward on March 19th that he deliberately minimized the danger.
I wanted to always play it down.
I still like playing it down because I don't want to create a panic.
I have tremendous respect for that.
What should he have done?
ian crossland
I think he did the right thing.
Well, I think that panic is our worst enemy.
We talked about this a long time ago.
You know, whatever the virus, whatever the situation, if people start freaking out and buying all the toilet paper, there's going to be issues.
tim pool
They were fighting over toilet paper.
And you had Trump saying things weren't that bad.
ian crossland
Right.
So the question when they basically when they told people not to wear masks, they didn't want to run on the masks.
That's kind of where I start to wonder, OK, I know you don't want to instill panic, but how many lies is it OK to tell to circumvent panic?
tim pool
I think one of the big reasons why they were saying, don't buy masks, I need a mask, is because it was not necessarily just about a run on the masks, it was about creating a panic.
Convincing people you needed a mask would have them be like, for what?
And then they would panic in other ways.
People don't realize how... I don't know if you remember all the memes that came out Hmm.
where people were like, oh, no, the economy.
And there was like the one where the earth was blowing up.
I think Elon Musk, Elon Musk posted it.
It's like an astronaut on the moon.
And there was like a comet blasting through the earth.
The earth was exploding and he was like the economy.
And there was one where dinosaurs were like walking around and meteors were falling
down and the dinosaurs were like the economy.
The funny thing is people don't realize what the economy means.
Do you know do you know what the word economy means?
ian crossland
Eco, something to do with the earth.
tim pool
It comes from the Greek oikonomia, meaning household management.
I learned that from a rap news video from like 10 years ago or something.
Yeah, anyway, I'm pretty sure that's correct.
Oikonomia or something like that.
And the general idea is that when people are saying, like, the economy, oh no, you're talking about quite literally the organizational structure that guarantees food travels from the farm to the table.
And when that breaks down, and it did, what happened?
Supply chain disruption, shortages, people lose their jobs.
A lot of it had to do with the lockdown, for sure.
But we were seeing, like, dairy farms just dumping all the milk.
We saw farms just shoveling everything into the dirt.
And that's why the economy matters.
So yeah, Trump did the right thing.
I read this story and they frame it like he intentionally misled Americans.
Come on, man.
ian crossland
I mean, you can't tell people everything.
It's not his job.
You know, we have secrecy for a reason, as much as it can become dangerous, I think.
You have to, you know, we have walls because you can't show everybody everything you're doing.
You know, people make plans in private because... Sometimes people want to walk around naked in their house, man.
tim pool
Oftentimes.
And if you open up the blinds, you can get in trouble.
ian crossland
It's true, literally.
It's illegal to expose yourself.
Yes, yes.
tim pool
So we have blinds for that.
I'm actually, I lean very, very much towards transparency.
I think in the past a lot of people would say that I was like a transparency absolutist, but that's just not true.
But I'm very, very much for public transparency in the sense, if it's happening in the public, the public has a right to know.
There are private things, especially when it pertains—and so this does include a lot of government functions, but I do draw the line at, if we just published everything that we did, we wouldn't exist as a country.
ian crossland
No, we'd be undermined.
We would undermine ourselves, it's almost like.
tim pool
Well, our foreign adversaries would take all the information, use it, create datasets and, you know, machine learning prediction models, and they would— Oh, totally.
mind literally, like yeah, they would be able to track and predict and just disrupt literally
everything we did, we'd be under complete control.
ian crossland
And the monarchy never would have been overthrown.
George Washington was totally into secrecy.
I mean, he was great at spying and...
tim pool
Well, I mean, I've watched National Treasure.
With Nicolas Cage?
ian crossland
No, I didn't see it.
tim pool
You didn't see it?
ian crossland
No, it looked okay.
tim pool
I'm kidding.
It's the one where Nicolas Cage, like, the Founding Fathers had, like, secret gold or something hidden under D.C.
or whatever.
ian crossland
I was gonna ask for a spoiler.
tim pool
Like, finds a secret book.
It's an old... There's two of them.
They need to make a third one because it's really hokey and hilarious.
Anyway, but yeah, yeah, they definitely... Look, we've had code.
We've had... There's a reason why we want to conceal information.
Because information is valuable.
In this regard, I think the issue is, could you imagine if Trump came out and said, we're all going to die?
ian crossland
No, it'd be crazy.
tim pool
They would be like, Trump created a panic.
ian crossland
Of course!
tim pool
There's nothing the man could do or say.
ian crossland
People still kind of panicked, but they didn't really panic.
And that would have been devastating.
If more than toilet paper were.
tim pool
The conspiracy people were on it.
They like, they already had three months supply of toilet paper and they were sitting there shining their gun being like, you know, heh heh heh, y'all are late to the party.
They got the toilet paper stocked up.
Let me read a little bit of this just to get some more context into what they're saying.
They say President Trump's head popped up during a top-secret intelligence briefing in the Oval Office on January 28th, when the discussion turned to the coronavirus outbreak in China.
Quote, This will be the biggest national security threat you face in your presidency, National Security Advisor Robert C. O'Brien told Trump, according to a new book by Washington Post associate editor Bob Woodward.
This is going to be the roughest thing you face."
Matthew Pottinger, the deputy national security advisor, agreed.
He told the president that after reaching contacts in China, it was evident that the world faced a health emergency on
par with the flu pandemic of 1918, which killed an estimated 50 million people worldwide.
Ten days later, Trump called Woodward and revealed that he thought the situation was
far more dire than what he had been saying publicly.
So Trump is candidly speaking to journalists?
This was crazy to me.
They did a poll and they asked Republicans, is the number of deaths okay in China?
It's hard to iterate properly, I suppose.
But the idea was, are you happy with the job that was done?
And they basically said, we find the amount of dead to be acceptable in the context of, we were told it was going to be like six million.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
I remember I was doing videos and I was like, wow, the New York Times is predicting could be from like two to six million.
This is crazy.
It's like a massive percentage of the population, blah, blah, blah.
And then it turns out it's, you know, we're in one hundred and eighty something thousand and that's horrifying.
And that's, you know, it's really bad.
But look at this.
Trump was warned it could be 50 million people.
ian crossland
That's crazy.
tim pool
Worldwide.
ian crossland
It's it's terrifying.
But who like.
I get that you got to go worst case scenario.
Some people's jobs are to, you know, extrapolate worst case scenario and plan for the worst case scenario, but that will cause crazy panic.
tim pool
And they wanted him to do it because that's a conclusion that's being drawn here.
Here's some quotes.
You just breathe the air and that's how it passed, Trump said in a February 7th call.
And so that's a very tricky one.
It's a very delicate one.
It's also more deadly than even your strenuous flus.
This is deadly stuff.
The president repeated for emphasis.
At that time, Trump was telling the nation that the virus was no worse than a seasonal flu, predicting it would soon disappear and insisting that the U.S.
government had it totally under control.
It would be several weeks before he would publicly acknowledge the virus was no ordinary flu and that it could be transmitted through the air.
Trump admitted to Woodward on March 19th, this is where he said, I don't want to create a panic.
Aside from exploring Trump's handling of the pandemic, Woodward's new book Rage covers race relations, diplomacy with North Korea, and a range of other issues that have arisen during the past two years.
The book also includes brutal assessments of Trump's conduct from former Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, former Director of National Intelligence Daniel Coats, and others.
The book is based in part on the 18 on-the-record interviews Woodward conducted with the President between December and July.
Woodward writes that other quotes in the book were acquired through deep background conversations with people in which information is divulged in exchanges recounted without the people being named.
I'm not going to read through all of this because we have the gist of things.
But I just gotta point out, man.
Have you heard about some of the things that Trump has done recently?
ian crossland
Enlighten me.
tim pool
The Israeli peace deal.
Israel-UAE.
Then there was the Kosovo-Serbia peace deal, which included recognition of Israel.
And now he's going to be drawing down our troop numbers by about 2,000 in Iraq, bringing troops back.
That's good, right?
ian crossland
It's great, dude.
tim pool
It's great.
So what do you consider yourself politically?
ian crossland
I'm very moderate.
I don't think I don't play party politics.
I just look for the smartest guy in the in the woman in the room and try and support them.
tim pool
You were saying like a week ago that you didn't like Trump.
ian crossland
You were like, no, he's a bombast.
He yells.
He says things like really crude, you know, and he alienates people by talking about the Democrat.
The Democratic mayor is alienating 40 million people.
So that and that causes anger amongst those people.
And then that's not what we need right now.
We need like cohesion.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
A lot of people who really support Trump will push back on that.
But I gotta tell you, man, I've been in Uber rides, I've talked to regular people, and I hear the same thing often.
They're like, I really like what he's doing for the country, but I wish he wouldn't tweet so much, or I wish he would kind of chill out, things like that.
And it's tough.
I wonder if it's because he really wants to fire up his really loyal base.
Yeah, probably.
And keep that fire burning.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
So he's very raw.
Or maybe it's just who Trump is.
He's a bombastic fella.
ian crossland
I don't know.
People that know him say that he's exactly like that in person.
tim pool
But it seems like a character.
You know why I think it's real?
He did 18 on-the-record interviews with Woodward.
He straight up was talking about what he was doing, what was going on, he was very candid
and transparent.
It's interesting because The Intercept wrote this article a while ago saying,
Trump is the least honest and the most honest president we've ever had.
And they mention it's because Trump will lie about a lot of things.
For example, he tweeted, I never called John McCain a loser.
ian crossland
But he did.
tim pool
He tweeted John McCain.
It should be in an article like Donald Trump, John McCain is a loser.
He wasn't referencing McCain's service, though.
And I think that's what he was... I don't necessarily want to give Trump the benefit of the doubt.
Like, I can't assume what his intent was.
He straight up said, I never called him a loser.
He did.
And it's weird, silly things like that where it's like, is that even that important?
You could have just been like, look, I called the guy a loser because he lost in 2008, but I have nothing but respect for his service.
ian crossland
Oh, he was literally calling him a loser because he lost the election.
tim pool
Exactly, exactly.
Yeah, so someone brought it up.
He was being interviewed, and he was like, nah, he's a loser.
He lost.
And then they were like, he's a war hero.
And Trump was like, nah, he's not a war hero.
He got caught.
I prefer people who didn't get caught.
ian crossland
That's brutal.
unidentified
It is.
tim pool
It is brutal.
Yeah, but you know what?
There's a really funny comment I heard where someone said something like, Conservatives hated John McCain more than they were concerned about Trump's statements on military service.
ian crossland
Yeah, I wasn't a big McCain fan.
Are you?
Did you like him?
No, of course not.
I'm not into warmongers in general.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
That guy's smiling, smiling pictures of the people.
He's like, we're gonna go blow stuff up!
lydia smith
Well, I would rather have somebody who lies about tiny things than someone who lies about big things like Obama did.
tim pool
Oh yeah, absolutely.
ian crossland
The TPP, doing it with a smile, that can be much more insidious.
tim pool
But here's what, basically what The Intercept brought up was, Trump, I love this interview, he just announced we're doing this big weapons deal with Saudi Arabia, and that was like, he just said it, you know?
ian crossland
And he's honest.
Is he honest or is he a liar?
Or is it both?
He's mostly honest, right?
Like these protests.
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
Mostly peaceful.
tim pool
I think it's really hard to break down, but I think Donald Trump lies about some of the stupidest things ever that he should just be up front about, but then he's really open and honest about a bunch of other things that he's not supposed to be.
ian crossland
I know.
tim pool
Like, this is crazy.
They're dragging Trump for being honest with a journalist.
This is nuts!
They complain that he lies to journalists all the time and you can't trust him.
Then when he's honest, what do they expect?
ian crossland
Yeah, this is just people that want him down.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, I'll tell you what, man.
You know what my favorite thing about this Woodward release is?
Trump telling Woodward that he drank the Kool-Aid.
ian crossland
Dude, I wonder if he even knows where that's from.
tim pool
Drinking the Kool-Aid?
ian crossland
Yeah, which is from the Jonestown Massacre.
tim pool
Where, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
ian crossland
What's the guy's name? I don't remember the guy's name.
tim pool
Do you know the guy's name?
lydia smith
I don't, I can look it up.
ian crossland
Took them all to Jonestown and then had them all drink Kool-Aid laced with cyanide,
tearing babies away from their mothers.
tim pool
That's nightmarish.
ian crossland
Yeah, it really is.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That happened in our lifetime, right?
ian crossland
Was it the 70s, maybe?
Jonestown, something?
lydia smith
Maybe the 80s?
unidentified
1978.
tim pool
Really?
November 18th, 1978.
lydia smith
Mass murder, suicide of members of the California-based People's Temple cult.
That was Jim Jones.
Jonestown.
tim pool
I didn't realize it was that long ago.
ian crossland
Jonestown.
tim pool
What was that thing that happened in like the 90s where they all thought they were going to go on a spaceship or something?
lydia smith
Oh my gosh.
They still have their website up.
I remember that.
They have a website from the super 90s.
unidentified
Wow.
lydia smith
They maintain it.
tim pool
It was Hail Bop.
ian crossland
They wanted to ride the tail of Hail Bop.
lydia smith
I don't know who it was, but their website, they left two of their members alive to maintain their website.
I remember reading how weird this was.
Yeah, I'm gonna have to look it up.
I don't remember.
Who it was or what cult they were with.
ian crossland
You said the name of the cult earlier, whatever it was.
tim pool
Heaven's Gate.
lydia smith
Yeah, I think it was Heaven's Gate.
Yeah, let me see if I can find the site.
I might tweet it out.
tim pool
Because I remember watching Family Guy did an episode about it where like Meg joins a cult.
lydia smith
Heavensgate.com.
unidentified
Hold on.
tim pool
For the people that are listening, the context is that, yeah, everyone's saying Heaven's Gate, is that Donald Trump said to Bob Woodward, what is this?
lydia smith
This is an amazing 90s site, and I wish you guys could see my screen.
unidentified
Oh, throw it up!
lydia smith
It's got like a talisman, and it's moving, and at the top it says Red Alert.
tim pool
What's the website?
lydia smith
HeavensGate.com.
ian crossland
HeavensGate?
lydia smith
HeavensGate.com.
Yep, we're going to HeavensGate, guys.
It'll be great.
ian crossland
For the record, I don't think you can ride the tail of a comet.
lydia smith
I don't think so either.
Oh, there we go.
unidentified
Pull it up.
ian crossland
It's a GeoCities site.
unidentified
Oh, snap.
tim pool
Dude, wow.
lydia smith
Yeah, you're welcome.
ian crossland
You guys make websites, right?
tim pool
I mean, I used to make Flash websites.
I used to actually do all the programming in Flash.
lydia smith
And you're right, it's HaleBop.
HaleBop?
ian crossland
That's freakish.
tim pool
Oh, this is weird.
lydia smith
Oh, and all these people are dead now.
It's creepy.
tim pool
Except for the two who are maintaining the website, I guess.
lydia smith
As far as I can tell, they're still maintaining it.
tim pool
Anyway, the context is, it's not particularly relevant, I guess, where drinking the Kool-Aid comes from, but it is a thing.
And so what happened is, this is actually, I think this is amazing.
Check this out from Forbes.
Wow, no.
In audio tape, Trump rejects notion he has white privilege.
Good for you, good sir.
Good for you, Trump.
I'm glad he's doing this.
President Trump flat out rejected the notion he has benefited from white privilege during an interview with Washington Post reporter Bob Woodward, and then responded with contempt according to audio clips reported by the Post Wednesday.
And we will play you the audio clip.
We will play them for you because I love it.
lydia smith
Let's do it.
tim pool
Woodward conducted 18 on-record interviews, we know this, during one interview on June 19th as protests broke out across the country over George Floyd.
Woodward asked Trump whether they both were isolated and caged from understanding the anger and pain of black Americans as two white men of the same generation with similarly privileged upbringings.
No, Trump said, before responding in a mocking tone, you really drank the Kool-Aid, didn't you?
unidentified
Woo!
tim pool
I love it.
Just listen, you, Trump went on, expressing contempt.
Wow, no, I don't feel that at all.
Trump went on to tout economic statistics for Black Americans pre-pandemic, including the low Black unemployment rate, before repeating a commonly used claim that he's done more for the Black community than any president since Abraham Lincoln.
During a separate interview on race on June 22nd, Trump somewhat shifted his tone, acknowledging there was systemic or institutional racism everywhere, but that there was probably less in the US than most places.
Trump is right.
ian crossland
Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
You know what, man?
I really wish that he was less bombastic, less loud and abrasive.
Because I'm like, he's saying populist things that need to be said, that moderate, regular people want to hear.
We're bringing the troops back.
OK, this white privilege stuff is, you know, no way you're drinking the Kool-Aid.
ian crossland
We should talk about majority privilege, because I think really, the misnomer is that they're making it a racial issue when it comes down to the majority of the country you're in.
When you're in a group of people that look like you, and unfortunately it seems to come down to the way things look.
Or smell.
tim pool
There's a lot here to break down, but first, we are blessed with the actual recording of what happened, and hopefully you'll be able to hear this properly.
Wait, it is not playing.
Let's try that again.
Okay, let's see if this plays now.
And we'll start this over.
unidentified
Let me ask you this.
We share one thing in common.
We're white, privileged.
My father was a lawyer and a judge in Illinois.
We know what your dad did.
Do you have any sense that that privilege has isolated and put you in a cave to a certain extent as it put me and I think lots of white privileged people in a cave and that we have to work our way out of it to understand the anger and the pain particularly black people feel in this country.
No, you really drank the Kool-Aid, didn't you?
Listen to you!
Wow!
No, I don't feel that at all!
tim pool
I love that.
You really drank the Kool-Aid, didn't you?
Yes, they did.
They all did.
They're losing it.
Alright, now listen.
There is something to this idea of white privilege, but it's what you just mentioned.
We've talked about this before.
It's majority privilege.
If you're in China, you are going to be able to navigate the country much more easily, knowing the language, being easily identifiable as Chinese.
We don't call that Chinese privilege.
In any country, that would be the case.
In fact, in some countries, like notably in Africa, you could literally be the same ethnic background, but have a different tribe.
And then you have tribal privilege.
It's really just about the dominant group.
And so what's happened is this Kool-Aid drinking thing that's happening, and I'm glad to see Trump is pushing back on it because these people are insane.
In the U.S., it's fair to say this country for a long time, it's an overwhelming white majority and still is to this day.
So there is something to what they're pointing out, but it is extremely racist the way they're going about it.
Sure, if you have, like, what are they called, like an anglicized name, then you're more likely to get callbacks and stuff like that.
This is true, and there have been actors who have changed their name and made them more, like, anglicized.
I think, Kal Penn, do you know the actor?
ian crossland
Uh, yeah, that's Penn from Penn and John, right?
tim pool
No, no, no, Kal Penn is the guy from Helden Kumar.
ian crossland
Oh, okay.
unidentified
No, I guess my short answer is no.
tim pool
Go to White Castle.
ian crossland
I think I've seen it.
tim pool
He's the Indian guy.
Apparently his first name is... Oh, that guy's awesome.
Yeah, he's a cool dude.
He was also on House.
Apparently his name is Kalpen.
Like, Kalpen is one word.
It's his first name.
So he changed it so that his name was Kalpen and got more callbacks.
There's something to familiarity.
The problem I have with this is that the conclusion they come to when they talk about white privilege would be like the homeless guy, you know, sitting in his own filth with no teeth is privileged and has power and is an oppressor over like a wealthy, I don't know, like Latino dude who's like working at a law firm.
ian crossland
So it's like there's two things going on at once.
There's majority privilege at work and then there's this Coming out of slavery thing 150 years ago where people were being dumped, like the African-American great-grandfathers and stuff came, had no money, no education, so they were at a disadvantage.
tim pool
Yeah, but it's more than that, too.
ian crossland
At least these two factors.
tim pool
So here's my problem.
Actually, let me preface this with the context of what Trump is saying right here and why I really, really like it.
I can't believe that I have to actually look to a Republican president for accurately giving us the space to deal with this problem in a legitimate way, especially when a lot of conservatives wouldn't even agree with me on many of these issues.
You can't have these conversations with the left.
They've determined already that you're white, you're an oppressor, and it's all this ridiculous, culty, racist nonsense.
So here's the things that I've identified, and I think this is fair and makes a lot of sense.
There's historical racism.
This used to be what was systemic racism, but they've changed the definition, so I don't even know what people are talking about anymore.
The general idea being that it wasn't just about ending slavery and then having a bunch of people with inherited wealth and a bunch of people with nothing.
It was that after that you had the Democrats working on all of these restrictions and the Jim Crow era and things like this, segregation, that actually created a lot of problems and made things worse.
It actually made sure that not only did they have no wealth, but they had no access to any of the existing infrastructure.
And that was the Democratic Party.
The Klan, for instance, when they went around and the horrible things the Klan did, and then finally we shut them down and got rid of them.
Seems like the Republicans had a lot going on shutting down the racists.
So the issue is, the way I viewed it years ago when I was talking about systemic racism, is that if we create laws, like I use Ferguson and St.
Louis as a really good example because I did a documentary on it.
The way St.
Louis was designed had a lot to do with white flight.
So people were leaving the cities, going to suburbs, incorporating, and then basically saying, no new residents.
And so it created a whole bunch of tiny jurisdictions.
So what ends up happening is...
You have the remnants of this system disproportionately affecting the black community.
It is today predominantly an issue of class.
That's why I believe class issues are the issues we should focus on and why I really don't like these far leftists and this weird extremist ideology.
But what happens in Ferguson is that you have all these tiny cities with their own police departments.
So if there's someone who's poor and their license plate is expired, they have to make a choice.
Go to work or quit and find a job closer.
It's a tough choice.
Sometimes people are like, I have to work.
But then you get pulled over.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Hey man, it's a $20 fine, you gotta get your plate fixed.
All right, I'll do it.
You drive another two miles, you're in a new city, get pulled over again.
They end up with from one infraction getting multiple infractions.
Now it is a class issue today.
However, it was built from systems that were overtly racist that are illegal today.
So we've seen, you're familiar with like redlining and blockbusting?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
So I can't give you the really great historical detail on redlining, but it was generally a racist housing practice where they created specific areas where they would only allow certain minorities to go or something to that effect.
I'm much more familiar with blockbusting, which is like nightmarishly racist.
This is crazy stuff.
So what they would do is, back in the day when this was all legal and there was literal institutional racism, which for the most part, we have some of this, not in the way most people think.
I'll get to that in a second.
It's affirmative action.
But back then, you'd have real estate agents and like, you know, realty companies would go to a white area.
They would buy it.
There's a bunch of different tactics they would do.
But here's what they do.
They buy a house.
They rent it out to a black family.
And then go and basically threaten all the white people with, you know, some kind of like racial fear, and tell them, oh no, oh, there goes the neighborhood, oh, you better sell to us!
Then all of these scared white people would sell very, very quickly, scared their property value would go down.
Then the real estate company would own up all the property, they'd get rid of, they'd, you know, eventually end the
lease or evict the black family, and then they'd own everything at a premium.
So it's alright, like at a discounted rate.
ian crossland
Coercion, but they just didn't know that it was going on, so it's like an illegal...
tim pool
It's illegal now, like ended in the 80s.
But this was like exploiting racial fears back in the day.
Yeah, and so this created, this created, uh, like the way I describe it to people is, I guess you can call it historic
racism or whatever.
There's remnants of those systems exist today.
The problem is, the solution to all of these things is totally class-based and education-based, and we don't
actually have those systems in place to solve all of these issues.
ian crossland
Right, so we're going to solve the class issue. I'm a big proponent of basic income.
You know, you've mentioned that you don't like this, you don't know where the money's coming from.
tim pool
It's not just that.
It's, uh... Idle hands are the devil's playground, man.
You look at all these, you know, rioters.
These people who have nothing to do, nowhere to go.
When their basic needs are met, then people act a fool.
It's more than that, though.
I mean, that's one reason.
But it's ultimately about inflation.
Like, I lean towards some kind of system in that regard.
lydia smith
Tim.
tim pool
Yeah?
lydia smith
It's echoing really bad.
tim pool
Really?
lydia smith
Yeah, because we listened to that clip.
tim pool
Well, it shouldn't.
There's nothing else that could cause it to echo.
lydia smith
I don't know what it is.
tim pool
Lydia, there's a really bad echo.
unidentified
Huh.
lydia smith
This is the note that I'm getting.
Echo on the guest mic.
tim pool
What up?
unidentified
Why is that?
lydia smith
It's Ian's fault.
ian crossland
Echo.
lydia smith
I knew it.
tim pool
Oh, man.
So let's see.
Mic cord is loose or something.
Tim, you have echo, please fix.
Ugh, why does this stuff weird, weird stuff happen?
Do you want to make sure that... Yeah, you want me to know what?
lydia smith
The only thing I can think of is the clip that we listened to.
tim pool
But was that, is that when the echo started?
There's a background mic source or open monitor on guest mics giving a massive reverb echo.
lydia smith
So you can say something.
unidentified
Hello!
tim pool
Oh, I see.
It's only... Yeah, it's... Wait, wait, switch back.
Yes, I figured it out.
ian crossland
Excellent.
tim pool
Problem solved!
ian crossland
Welcome!
lydia smith
Sorry to interrupt.
ian crossland
To the echo chamber.
tim pool
I think we solved it.
unidentified
Alright!
lydia smith
Should be good.
tim pool
Let's just wait and make sure everyone's sorry about that.
ian crossland
Give us a smash that like button.
Yes.
tim pool
It was because when we switch scenes, there's different audio inputs.
lydia smith
Yes, so we should be good now when we go over to Ian.
ian crossland
Yeah.
lydia smith
Yeah, looks like it's fine.
tim pool
Looks like it's good?
lydia smith
Ian looks curious.
ian crossland
When I'm on you, am I getting an echo?
lydia smith
Nope, I think we're good.
Alright!
tim pool
What were we just talking about?
ian crossland
It's awesome stuff.
lydia smith
Awesome stuff.
unidentified
Blockbusting.
tim pool
Yeah, blockbusting.
lydia smith
Redlining.
tim pool
Here's what I was gonna say.
We basically created, like, early on, two different train tracks.
And there's one that's a really nice fancy train, and one that's kind of just, like, built from the scraps from, like, people who just kind of pieced it together.
And we got rid of these laws where we're like, okay, everybody can freely move about these trains.
But it's very similar still to ending slavery, where you took people who had no familial wealth and no education to pass down because they were, you know, they were slaves, right?
Many of them couldn't read or write.
And so that made it very difficult.
And so this definitely disadvantages minority communities, particularly the black community.
ian crossland
Do you dislike the idea of spreading like death wealth?
If someone dies, that part of their money goes back to the government?
tim pool
I hate that.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
It's tough though, man.
You know, I think the big problem is government has no mechanism for fixing itself.
ian crossland
That's a good point.
tim pool
So as much as I'd love to be like, we need cooperative systems to help make sure that, you know, we're only as strong as the weakest link.
And so if we have weak links, it's hurting everybody.
And so we really do need to figure out how to, you know, lift everybody up.
But I'll tell you this, man.
The hands-off, decentralized approach seems to be the most effective.
And that's capitalism.
ian crossland
Like a crypto where no humans involved in spreading it out, it just automatically goes to people?
tim pool
No, I mean just straight-up capitalism.
Like, you have money, you spend stuff, you figure out what works for you.
ian crossland
But the problem is when they don't spend it.
When they hoard the money for interest.
tim pool
I don't think that's... Yeah.
When people have unlimited access to resources and they contribute literally nothing.
I'm not a big fan of independent wealth.
It's tough, yeah.
There's a lot of people who live off doing nothing.
ian crossland
I was thinking about making money lose value if you don't spend it over time.
tim pool
That's literally what happens.
ian crossland
Well, it actually gains you value because of interest.
tim pool
The system as it is today for regular people, yeah, inflation, you lose money.
ian crossland
Oh, due to inflation.
tim pool
Yeah, if you've got a little bit of money in the bank, you're not making enough interest to... But once you start making interest, then there's an incentive to hold, which I don't like.
ian crossland
If you could somehow make, like, a crypto that slowly lost value unless it was traded... They do.
tim pool
Well, they naturally... Cryptos naturally lose value because they... Yeah, they make more of it.
Yeah, well, because they... Well, I should say, like, Bitcoin, because there's a finite amount of coins, eventually it's gonna deflate.
But anyway, the main point about all of this is that I'm not, I think, you know, Trump is a bit harsh when he says you're drinking the Kool-Aid.
I do find it hilarious.
lydia smith
He's not wrong.
tim pool
He's not wrong.
ian crossland
He's being mean to the guy.
lydia smith
Yeah, he deserves it.
ian crossland
You might be right about that.
Oh, can I point out this guy's book is called Rage?
lydia smith
Yeah, it seems unbiased.
ian crossland
It sounds like a command.
Like what's he trying to get people to do?
lydia smith
Buy his book.
ian crossland
Go crazy?
Like he's telling people rage.
lydia smith
Anger gets clicks.
tim pool
Get mad.
Well, I think he's like highlighting Trump's rage.
ian crossland
Yeah, he's supposed to be talking about rage, but it just looks like a command.
tim pool
I'm just so, I'm just so fed up with so much of what everything about this election is, and I'm tired of being threatened and coerced.
ian crossland
Yeah, of course.
tim pool
The Democrats right now saying, there will be violence unless you landslide Joe Biden.
unidentified
Screw you.
tim pool
No way, dude.
ian crossland
It's super ineffective.
It demeans people, makes them even like, it might even make them angry to be demeaned like that.
Told like, you can't, you can't vote for who you like because it's going to make you fail.
tim pool
Look at what Kanye West was saying.
ian crossland
What'd he say?
tim pool
He was saying that throughout his career, they told him, you're a Democrat.
And if you don't, uh, you know, support this, then we'll destroy you.
ian crossland
Oh my God.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, it was, I'm, I'm paraphrasing the general idea of the story, but that's certainly how a lot of people feel.
Like people, dude, I get hit up by tons of people in Hollywood.
I say tons.
Cause it's like, maybe in like just, just low double digits.
People who are like, dude, I love your stuff.
It's amazing.
And I'm like, how are you not yelling this from the mountaintops?
Like these are important things we got to talk about.
ian crossland
They'll get fired, man.
Oh, that's a good point.
And it's also scary to come out and speak in public if you've never done it before.
It's like a learned reaction.
tim pool
I'm talking about like high-profile people who have just mass celebrity.
ian crossland
Dude, I'm so glad I left that industry.
I was thinking that earlier today.
I started doing YouTube and it just didn't jive with that industry at the time because they would Google my stuff and see me talking about what we're talking about now and it scared them.
tim pool
You gotta fall in line.
ian crossland
Yeah, they really wanted that.
tim pool
Yeah, it's like that song, uh, there's like a really funny cartoon I once saw, it's a music video for the song, it's like, I think it's called Little Boxes, and it's, someone did an animation, and it's basically like little kids with round, like there's little like stick figure people, they're not really stick figures, but then they go into a factory where a giant clamp smashes their heads into cubes, and then they come out like, you know, just like zombies.
ian crossland
Dude, I feel like that's what the public school system is doing.
tim pool
Exactly.
They went to the schools, This is why it's crazy.
I feel like, you know, we've got a bunch of stories and a bunch of rhetoric coming out now about Trump being, like, the president of white America.
And you've got Brian Stelter from CNN feigning shock that Trump banned critical race theory.
unidentified
Oh, I love it.
tim pool
And you can tell the dude has no idea what critical race theory is.
lydia smith
I know what it is.
ian crossland
Can you enlighten us?
What is critical race theory?
tim pool
Yeah.
Can you give us a definition?
lydia smith
Critical race theory is basically our concept of intersectionality, and they make it as confusing as humanly possible.
Because the whole point is to criticize what you're talking about, and this can be any kind of theory.
So any critical, like critical literature theory, is where you go into literature not to read it and learn about the culture that came before you, but to criticize it and find problems with it.
tim pool
It's an issue.
ian crossland
So you're looking for problems in something.
lydia smith
Exactly.
Seems like a great way to live, right?
tim pool
There's no real simple way to define critical race theory, and it's intentional.
So I can pull up the Wikipedia right here and it's just like overly verbose.
lydia smith
Yes, this is postmodernism.
It's hard to explain.
tim pool
They literally say it is, they mention it's postmodern philosophy, developed out of postmodern philosophy.
So one of the things they do is, oh, you know what?
Have you ever seen the movie Coneheads?
ian crossland
No, I heard you guys talking about it yesterday.
tim pool
But you know what it is, right?
ian crossland
Dan Aykroyd.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And so I don't know if you've ever seen that comic where the aliens, it's like the little blue purple aliens, and they're like looking at a cat eating food.
And they were like, the small mammal we have captured is consuming hydrocarbons.
We are very pleased by this.
And people love these comics.
And I see these and I'm like, they're just, that's just coneheads.
Coneheads is an old Saturday Night Live sketch.
They made a movie, you know, like Lorne Michaels, SNL, and it's about these aliens who they have coneheads, and the way they talk is, like, instead of calling something a cookie, they would call it a chocolate-infused hydrocarbon mass.
I see you are eating a chocolate-infused hydrocarbon mass.
I will consume this too.
And that was the joke, like overly verbose explanations.
That's literally what critical race theorist people do.
ian crossland
Oh, wow.
Easier to fill 50 minutes of a class when you're taking three times longer.
lydia smith
Great point, yeah.
tim pool
You know what's funny?
It's like college, they'd be like, I want you to write, you know, a thousand words.
lydia smith
It's like writing an essay.
ian crossland
Right, right, right.
tim pool
I want you to write a thousand words on, you know, this globe and they would be like, well, I'll just use a hundred adjectives to describe what it is.
Instead of saying it's a solar powered moving globe, we'll say it is a electromagnetically induced rotation device.
ian crossland
Einstein would make a big deal about explaining things as simply as possible.
If you can't explain something simple, then you're not able to get it done.
tim pool
Let me explain to a five-year-old. I'll read you a couple things. They say firstly
Critical race theory proposes that white supremacy and racial power are maintained over time and in particular
Read it.
that the law may play a role in this process. Secondly, critical race theory work has investigated
the possibility of transforming the relationship between law and racial power, as well as pursuing
a project of achieving racial emancipation and anti-subordination more broadly.
But here's my favorite part. White. White is property.
ian crossland
What does that mean?
tim pool
Read it.
ian crossland
White is property.
Whiteness is property.
Yeah.
From the CRT perspective.
The white skin that some Americans possess is akin to owning a piece of property in that it grants privileges to the owner that a renter, in this case a person of color, would not be afforded.
So we We, I say, but someone with white skin, which technically it's not actually white.
tim pool
It's a VIP ticket.
ian crossland
Yeah, you own it, but with someone, if it's a person of color, they're just renting their body.
I mean, this is the metaphor.
lydia smith
You can rent skin?
ian crossland
This is nonsense.
lydia smith
This is amazing.
tim pool
What the heck?
No, no, no.
They're basically saying is that white people have a piece of property, like a VIP pass.
ian crossland
I mean, I'm in debt to the country.
I'm still in debt to the bank, the Federal Reserve Bank.
tim pool
No, no, no.
Ian, you're white.
But you're a white male!
ian crossland
Oh, so I don't have debt.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's good to know, right?
tim pool
You're a white male.
lydia smith
It's very liberating.
tim pool
Just calm up and let them know.
Just say, hey, bank, just want to let you know I'm white.
Oh, I'm so sorry about that.
We'll wipe your debt clean.
ian crossland
Oh, OK.
lydia smith
Oh, man, Ian.
tim pool
Think about it.
Thank you.
So let's do this.
Let's talk about the natural conclusions, right?
Ladies and gentlemen, this is what's actually happening in...
Did you see this?
ian crossland
Oh, I have.
tim pool
University campus hosts White's Only Cafe in the name of equality.
Let's give a round of applause for the writers of the 2020 season.
I gotta admit, you know, Adam Schiff came out with this tweet saying there was Russian interference.
You guys saw this, right?
Yeah, so he's like, we got a whistleblower report that there was Russian interference and Trump was downplaying it.
And I tweeted like, oh, come on.
The writers are getting so lazy.
This is just a reboot of Russiagate 1.
They keep doing this.
ian crossland
Oh, I thought you were talking about Russiagate 1.
tim pool
No, he just tweeted it today.
unidentified
Oh, man.
tim pool
So anyway, I digress.
The point is, You know, the season, it's like we're getting reruns.
What is it?
The gender reveal party starts a fire?
unidentified
Yes!
lydia smith
This is the second instance of a gender reveal explosive device sparking a fire in California that burned hundreds of acres.
unidentified
Really?
lydia smith
Yeah, first one was in a while ago, but this is the second time it's happened.
Not this year, but this is our second occurrence.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
Yes.
lydia smith
Yeah, I know.
tim pool
So somebody did a gender reveal, started a big fire, somebody did it again.
ian crossland
Yeah, they say history repeats itself.
In fact, correct.
tim pool
Yeah, but come on, not in like this short a time frame.
ian crossland
Well, maybe time's speeding up.
unidentified
I think so.
tim pool
Well, maybe but I'll tell you what everybody here we have the next step in
So all of that stuff is filler, you know They're like giving us these filler episodes of 2020 and we're
like we did the gender reveal wildfires Can we can we get the story? Yes, I don't like it
Oh, how inclusive!
I know, I love it!
of Color Cafe is a space for students that do not identify as persons of color to gather and to
discuss their experience as students on campus and as non-POC in the world. Hosted by the Center for
unidentified
Social Justice and Inclusion. Oh how inclusive. I know I love it. Excellent. If you're of African
ian crossland
American descent but you don't identify as someone of color you could go there.
lydia smith
Exactly.
tim pool
No, no.
lydia smith
You found the loophole.
ian crossland
But it's all about how the way you identify, according to this.
tim pool
I mean, I guess, but I'd imagine that the whites-only cafe would be like, you're clearly not welcome here.
unidentified
This is brutal, dude.
lydia smith
So what are they gonna do, throw you out?
tim pool
Dude, my favorite thing in this, like, you know what, man?
You know what the meme of clown world is?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
That, like, the current history is so absurd, it certainly must have been written by clowns.
ian crossland
Okay.
tim pool
You know, it's like the writers of The Simpsons, and they're like, ooh, I got a really great idea for an episode.
It's gonna be hilarious.
They do a whites-only cafe, and it's hosted by the Social Justice and Inclusion Center.
That's perfect comedy.
It's irony.
It's pure- It's absurdity.
It's literally a fire truck driving around spraying flamethrowers and burning buildings down.
ian crossland
I don't think they realize that this is racist.
The people that created it.
tim pool
I think there are people who know it's racist and are very happy about it.
ian crossland
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
You think it's insidious?
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
Like, it could be that this stuff's getting funded by someone that wants to create division, like, from the top of the top of the top, like, Chinese government or whoever.
I mean, it's total conspiracy theories.
tim pool
I myself have not read White Fragility, and I probably should, but I'm just right.
lydia smith
I don't wanna.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
ian crossland
Yeah, book on tape.
lydia smith
Yeah, I guess.
tim pool
But I'm pretty sure, doesn't she say that she's uncomfortable around minorities?
lydia smith
She did, yeah.
Wasn't she the one who said that when she walked into a room that was majority-minority?
That she would clutch her purse more tightly?
Is that what she said?
That is something that a racist does.
I should look up the quote.
I just gotta read the book.
Sorry.
tim pool
I think you have avowed racists like Robin DiAngelo and some of these other people.
They know exactly what they're doing and they like it.
They want white only space.
Listen, this white fragility lady, white fragility is a nationwide bestseller right now.
This is why I'm like, we need Trump.
Trump's got a really, he can't do everything because this is in our culture, but he can do a lot for now.
And I'm worried if Biden wins, Biden's negotiating with these people and entertaining these ideas.
Robin DiAngelo said when she goes into a room, she gets full of, you know, marginalized people.
I'll use that language.
She gets uncomfortable.
Wouldn't she feel more comfortable in a room for only white people then?
Is that the logic?
She's straight up saying she is not comfortable around people who aren't white.
And then all of a sudden, now these universities, which probably read these books because it was a bestseller, are creating spaces where she'll feel more comfortable.
ian crossland
Oh, man.
So you're appealing to their neuroses, apparently, which could be very detrimental.
I mean, OK, we're comfortable with what we know.
I get that.
So if you're unfamiliar with someone because of the color of their skin, if you're surrounded by all black people your whole life and then you go and there's white people around, maybe that will be just new.
So there's a discomfort because it's new.
tim pool
Or because it's cultural differences.
ian crossland
Yeah, of course.
They're eating soup and you've only eaten meat your whole life.
So it's like, I'm nervous about that.
tim pool
I went to an event in Norway and they were serving whale.
ian crossland
Did you eat it?
tim pool
I had a tiny piece.
ian crossland
What was it like?
tim pool
It was awful.
ian crossland
It's mammal.
tim pool
And, you know, it is, it is.
And so when I went there, I was actually kind of shocked to see it.
But it's normal there.
And they had a big plate of it.
And I was like, whoa, just like, no way, dude, I'm not going anywhere near that.
And they were like, it's totally normal.
And it was like pickled or something.
And they're like putting it on bread and mustard or mayonnaise or something on it.
And I was just adamant.
I'm not going to eat it.
And then they convinced me to at least taste it.
And it was awful.
And I was unhappy about it.
And I'm like, it's an American cultural thing to say F no to eating whale.
That we won't do that.
So when I was I was uncomfortable.
It was kind of weird.
Do you know what I mean?
ian crossland
The whales are the great sages of the of the earth, man.
unidentified
One of them.
tim pool
But I mean, I understand like whaling in the past.
But it is a major cultural difference.
So anyway, the reason I bring that up is, if you grew up in... This really is a great perspective into what these people are doing.
You hear these stories, right?
There was one woman, she was like, all on Twitter, they're talking about privilege.
They're like, when I was, you know, 20, I got drunk and crashed my car and the cop gave me a slap on the wrist.
And I'm like, yes, and you lived in, you know, the Berkshires, like you lived in Long Island and the Hamptons, and you had a very wealthy family and the cops were, someone stuffed a lot of cash into the, you know, the right person's pocket.
And you're not going to get in trouble because you're a rich person, not because you're white, because you were rich.
ian crossland
Shoot, bail is a, the whole system, ever since they would ransom prisoners from like ancient warfare, it was all about taking a Duke prisoner and then ransoming off immediately.
If he could afford it, otherwise they sit in prison.
So, bail's the same way.
You can buy your way out of jail.
tim pool
Well, temporarily.
ian crossland
Yeah, temporarily.
It could be a year and a half until your case, you know?
tim pool
Right.
Yup.
Seriously.
So, they've had these knee-jerk reactions in New York with cashless bail, which has resulted in criminals laughing and walking out and committing more crimes.
ian crossland
What is it, exactly?
tim pool
It was something like non-violent crimes would be no cash bail, because they argued it wasn't fair that you would put a monetary value on whether someone has a right to continue their life while they're, you know, not proven guilty yet.
And you know, I agree with the sentiment.
I just think they, in practice, they screwed everything up and they did it horrible, horribly wrong.
And I think there should have been a trial period on specific, like one or two specific instances, or it should have just been straight up case-by-case basis.
But there's a good point to be made about bail systems and how it disproportionately affects poor people.
You go to jail and they say you gotta spend 600 bucks to get out and you don't have it.
You lose your job, you lose your apartment.
ian crossland
You lose your job!
tim pool
That's crazy!
So there are challenges there.
But then what do we do?
I don't know!
I've often said I would prefer to err on the side of freedom.
In which case, it is better that ten guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer, right?
The only problem is that in New York where they did this, they also take away your right to self-defense.
So if you're going to release criminals who are going to go around committing crimes, and you're also telling people that defense is restricted as well, you're creating a likelihood of crimes to be committed and an inability of individuals to protect their homes, their friends, and their families.
So it's kind of like I think, you know, hardcore authoritarianism is the wrong direction.
But anyway, the general point I'm trying to make about all this is just they conflate race with cash.
ian crossland
It's totally a class thing.
So I get what you mean with letting a prisoner out if they can't afford it.
What's the incentive of not just going right back if they're just going to let you ride out again?
tim pool
Going back to where, what do you mean?
ian crossland
Jail.
They let you out because you don't need to pay bail because you can't afford it, so they do some social thing where they just let you out anyway.
tim pool
That's what they've been doing.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
And especially with COVID, they released all these people and they all went and committed crimes and a lot of them were rioting.
ian crossland
Oh, that's gruesome.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
ian crossland
Jeez.
It's almost like class warfare makes sense in a way, but it doesn't make sense.
tim pool
No, no, it doesn't make sense.
ian crossland
But no one should not have the ability to have money or status or whatever it is.
Power.
tim pool
I think there is a serious question around a poor person being told they gotta pay cash bail.
So it's tough.
It really is, man.
These are hard ethical questions to figure out.
The safety of the community versus the freedom of the individual and the rights of the individual.
ian crossland
Because we're wild animals.
Humans are, you know, apes that have...
tim pool
I think the issue is scale.
So if you think back to like, I don't know, 1700s or even before then, you had a much, much less dense population.
And so much less, you know, very few people were in these circumstances.
Now, the problem is we're going to have, what, several hundred per week or per day who might be innocent?
The scale of, uh...
You know, rights being trampled over, that's getting crazy.
But also think about, if there was some dude who was accused of a crime, and he got arrested, and they said, you gotta pay bail, I'll tell you what, we'll do cashless bail, just promise to come back, which they probably wouldn't have done way back then.
But everybody's armed, it's, you know, farms out in the middle of nowhere, they're all assuming they gotta protect themselves anyway.
Now we've got people in big cities stacked on top of each other, everything smells like sour milk, and they're fighting all the time.
And when I say fighting all the time, I don't mean that's, like, getting worse.
Actually, violent crime is going down.
But crime in general still exists.
And if you have more people, you will have more crime.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Then you're gonna have more people getting arrested, and sometimes innocent people get arrested.
So, the challenge now is, is it better that ten innocent people suffer than one guilty person escape?
No.
That's the authoritarian approach.
ian crossland
No, yeah.
tim pool
It is better that ten guilty persons escape than one innocent person suffer.
But anyway, we're going off on a tangent.
ian crossland
This is more of an ethical discussion.
tim pool
The point I was basically bringing up about everything they're doing is that when they talk about how they got away with committing crimes, because they are racists, they assume race is the driving factor for human motivation.
So here's the important way to frame it.
People's perception about what is happening in the world is based on how they view them, like how they themselves work in the world, right?
So if somebody in a white, progressive, upper-class neighborhood gets into a car accident while they're drunk, and the cop comes up and says, uh-oh, we're gonna let you off with a warning, you know, this is the mayor's daughter, or whatever, or like, this is the daughter of a high-powered lawyer, we're not gonna get into it, we're gonna let you go, Because they are racists themselves, and because they judge people based on race, they assume they're being judged based on their race as well.
Get it?
ian crossland
Yeah.
lydia smith
So what's happening here is that these people are actually closeted racists.
Closeted?
Work with me.
They have underlying racism and because they were privileged and they had this class advantage, they're like fish in water.
They don't even see it.
So that when it comes out that they actually had a leg up, they're like, well, obviously this is because of my race.
tim pool
Exactly.
lydia smith
It must be.
What else could it be?
ian crossland
Do you remember that guy?
tim pool
To hammer everything looks like a nail.
ian crossland
Oh, that's brutal.
lydia smith
That's true.
ian crossland
Give a man a gun and what the heck?
tim pool
What is that saying?
ian crossland
Give a man a fish.
That's the metaphor.
tim pool
And what the heck?
ian crossland
Do you remember that kid who got arrested for drunk driving?
I think he might've killed someone even, and then they let him go for affluence.
He got off affluenza.
Affluenza.
He was too rich.
He didn't know what was good for him.
tim pool
Talk about messed up, man.
unidentified
What the heck?
tim pool
Yeah, class, bro.
Class is a thing.
ian crossland
And underclass.
This is why I was talking about the Russian Revolution, man.
If you ignore the underclass for too long, which is why I like Donald Trump, at least speaking out against it.
And I'm a little afraid against... I don't want to get too emotional about Biden, but just people that aren't there, people that are kind of vacant to the issues.
The underclass will connect on some dangers, which is kind of what we're looking at.
I think it's a lot of poor people out on the street rioting.
I don't know for sure.
tim pool
Not necessarily.
In New York, it was several rich people.
lydia smith
Yeah, rich daughter.
tim pool
Yep, they're bored rich kids.
That's what I was saying.
Yeah, this is affluenza.
They're rich people.
So that's the saying, to a hammer everything looks like a nail.
To a racist, everything is predicated upon race.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
So when you have people like, you know what, I'm not gonna name people.
I could.
Because a lot of these people, like, we're straight up saying things.
Talking about their privilege and getting away with things because of their skin color.
And I'm like, wow.
I never perceived that.
I grew up in a mixed area, and when crimes were committed and things happened, you could not assume it was based on race, because everybody was a different race!
Everybody had different skin color, different parents, some people had an accent, some people didn't.
So when something would happen, you couldn't see a pattern in that.
But when you get people like Robyn D'Angelo just telling you over and over again, remember that time that cop let you go?
It's because of your race.
And then the young girl goes, oh, meanwhile her dad's writing a check to the mayor and he's like, this would never happen, you know what I mean?
lydia smith
So this kind of thinking is contagious because Robyn D'Angelo is a racist and she's talking to people who are in higher classes, who have the class advantage.
So this might be something that they never thought about before, but now that she's telling them, they're like, oh, Maybe there's something to this because I have noticed that I do have an advantage.
ian crossland
And she wrote a book, so she has clout.
lydia smith
She has a PhD, man.
ian crossland
Yeah, all of a sudden her words have more meaning, I guess, right?
I know.
No, I'm being sarcastic, but I think that that's a kind of a brainwashy thing that someone with a PhD or that wrote a book has more meaning in their words.
tim pool
Somebody said, what was the goal, you know, what is the end goal of critical race theory?
And it's to leverage white guilt for money.
ian crossland
Oh, brutal.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
That seems to be the thing.
I mean, you know, giving these really high cost, expensive seminars, writing these books, regurgitating these crackpot ideas.
ian crossland
So people are paying money to go to school to be told that they're a racist.
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
That's insanity.
lydia smith
That's a racket, man.
I love it.
ian crossland
That's a dangerous racket, too.
tim pool
Did you see the video of the morbidly obese woman?
And she's got the PayPal thing next to her?
Yeah.
People are saying that's the perfect example of critical race theory.
In the video, she's yelling at people.
She's like, you know, I think that, you know, white people aren't human and you're all demons.
So I'm like, why are these people sitting here taking that?
lydia smith
That was so weird to me.
She was like, I'm not saying this to be mean, but I actually think you're all demons.
tim pool
That's not just her.
ian crossland
And they were just sitting there placidly taking it.
lydia smith
What is their history?
ian crossland
I gotta know their individual histories.
tim pool
Let's talk about some of the news that's sweeping the country, all right?
Ladies and gentlemen, Donald Trump recently announced he's gonna be banning critical race theory from federal trainings and stuff, and of course the left-wing media came out and were like, Trump's making things up.
It's a right-wing tempest.
It's not real.
It is a very serious problem.
It does exist and there are real examples.
They just don't bother to Google search.
But I want to show you this story from the Atlantic.
They write, For the first time, America may have an anti-racist majority.
Not since Reconstruction has there been an opportunity for the advancement of racial justice.
What does justice mean?
Well... What is racial justice?
ian crossland
There's that meme where the one guy has a box, they all have boxes, but one guy's tall and one guy's short, and the short guy can't see over the fence, so you give the tall guy's box to the short guy, and then the short guy has two boxes, but then they can all see over the fence.
tim pool
What if the tall guy on his box liked the breeze?
ian crossland
Right, then who's right is it to take it?
I think he gave it over to his own volition, but that's the part you don't see.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
ian crossland
Is it just to say, hey, maybe you like the breeze, but he can't see and it's more important than the way you feel?
tim pool
So we have talked about this image before.
You've got three people standing up against a fence and they're all standing on a box.
The tall guy and the medium guy can see the baseball game and the short guy can't.
And so then what they do is they take, as you mentioned, the box and the tall guy, give it to the short guy, and now they're all standing there at equal level watching the baseball game.
One of my favorite responses to that is, they're stealing because they didn't pay.
But actually, my favorite response is, the fence is really high, no one can see anything but the tall guy, and then the tall guy has his legs cut off, and he's on stumps and there's blood everywhere.
And that's a better description of what they're talking about, and I'll explain it to you.
What is the societal equivalent of a box?
ian crossland
Money.
tim pool
Well, no.
You can't quantify it.
Because they're talking about racial privileges.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
They're not talking about cash.
ian crossland
I don't know.
It's like, who can see the game?
Whoever can afford to buy the ticket?
tim pool
They're saying straight up that a homeless white person is an oppressor and a wealthy black woman is oppressed.
Money is not the factor.
The factor is skin color and the ability to function in society or something like that.
ian crossland
Oh, okay.
tim pool
In which case, the only way to come about with real equity is to, you know, chop someone's legs off.
If you're tall, we can't make short people tall, but we can make the one tall person short.
Get it?
ian crossland
And then they'll figure out a different way to view the game together because you've stripped.
tim pool
Oh, then nobody can see the game.
ian crossland
Yeah, unless they figure out a way to build a portal to all watch it.
Like it's going to incentivize the tall guy to figure out a way to get them to all see the game.
That's what you're saying.
tim pool
There's a bunch of memes.
One of them is like the libertarian one is there's no fence.
And like, that's a good, nothing matters.
And there's one where it's like the fence is a chain link fence, so it doesn't matter
either.
And that was like the engineer's response or something like that.
There's a bunch of funny answers to this.
It's kind of dumb.
But this is what I want to show you.
What does it mean to have an anti-racist majority in this country?
What is the goal?
Welcome to Twitter.
This is FJ, the real racist, Feminista Jones.
Who is this lady?
She is Nathan Morris of Boyz II Men Gave Me a Rose.
I don't know what that means, but she has 173,500 followers.
Here's what she tweeted in a thread over a week ago, and Twitter allows this to remain on the platform.
lydia smith
Interesting.
tim pool
She said, begging white people to support Black Lives Matter and related work has diluted the integrity of true revolutionary work.
I still don't get why folks were so focused on getting mainstream support when it only means the inevitable destruction of the movement.
White people, no matter how liberal or progressive, will never endorse revolutionary acts that may jeopardize their children's lives.
That's true.
As such, They will never fully support a black liberation revolution by way of violent rebellion.
Nope, nah, not gonna happen.
She goes on to say that violence is the only way, of course.
No votes, no marching, no spots on cable news, no high fashion magazine cover stories, no hashtags, no panels.
None of that is going to bring about the liberation black folks deserve.
That's been up since August 27th.
A call for violence.
Overt violence.
ian crossland
Because it's not a, what do they call it, a call.
It's not like, let's go commit violence on this day at this time.
lydia smith
It's not specific.
ian crossland
Yeah.
lydia smith
Yeah, it has no specific target.
ian crossland
It doesn't violate the terms.
At least that's what it minds.
tim pool
So you have experience moderating stuff.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Would you get rid of a post like that?
ian crossland
No, because it doesn't call for imminent violence.
That's where you draw the line is if they're saying at this time, we're going to do this at this time.
If they're saying get angry, blow stuff up, it's just not imminent violence.
It's not grounds for termination.
tim pool
I'll be honest, you know, I agree.
I hear what you're saying.
And I'm actually glad that she's posted it and it's allowed to remain.
lydia smith
I'm glad to see it.
tim pool
Because now we know what at least some of these people are thinking.
I mean, this woman is verified on Twitter with 173,500 followers saying, gotta get violent.
Is that Betsy?
unidentified
Yeah, it's Betsy.
ian crossland
She wants to join the show.
tim pool
She's joining us, yeah.
Normally Ian's not in the room, so she's hanging out with you.
So here's what she says.
She says, Folks only understand violence in its Eurocentric framing and definition.
Same as liberation, if we're being honest.
So you hear violence and you already have a picture of what it looks like and you've been conditioned to reject it out of fear.
What if I told you the violence required is liberating?
What if I told you that there is no way for a dislocated, displaced African to truly live free without the complete destruction of whiteness?
Occupation of space in our minds, bodies, souls, and communities.
Do you know what whiteness means?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Their definition, hard work, scheduling, time, planning for the future.
unidentified
OK.
tim pool
That's whiteness.
ian crossland
Diligence?
tim pool
Oh, definitely.
Definitely.
The crazy thing about this is it's not.
Like, there are African cultures that have hard work and time and schedules.
lydia smith
Insanely racist to say that.
tim pool
Yeah.
I mean, especially if you go by, you know, the out of Africa theory and they say that Africa was the cradle of humanity or whatever.
I've heard some people say that there's actually evidence humanity may have come from other places or been in other places earlier.
The point is, if the prevailing theory right now suggests that humans started in Africa and succeeded greatly, then wouldn't it be hard work and perseverance as a trait of blackness?
ian crossland
It's a human trait.
tim pool
I definitely think it's a human trait.
ian crossland
It tends towards survivability and success, you know, group, community, function.
And you need it.
This is Betsy's tail, by the way.
unidentified
That's Betsy.
Oh, you can see her.
tim pool
I'm like, she's in the headlight.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
After the Great Flood, 12,800 years ago, you know, the cometary impact, the Great Flood, from all that.
Is that real?
Yeah, according to like geologists, Randall Carlson particularly.
lydia smith
Almost every culture agrees on some kind of great flood.
ian crossland
Nuclear glass in the melt water in the dirt at that time.
What?
Really cool, really cool evidence.
tim pool
No way.
ian crossland
I'd have to pull up facts to really convince you, I'm sure.
Probably, yeah.
Assuming that there was a great flood, humanity recollected in that area.
So I don't know if all humans came from the cradle, but it seems like that's where society rebooted.
tim pool
I was reading that there were like 10 humans that like created all of humanity or something.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
You know, I like to believe instead, though, that, you know, it's actually, like, you ever see Battlestar Galactica?
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
How at the end of the series, they, like, they made it to an Earth-like planet?
Oh, yeah.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
That's what really happened.
We just, it's Battlestar Galactica.
We're on season 2020 of Battlestar.
That's where we're at.
ian crossland
You think that Earth was seeded by fungus?
That panspermia theory where fungus just shot across the universe and pelted all the oceans?
tim pool
I don't know about all that, but I can say that it has nothing to do with violence.
unidentified
We gotta start from the top!
lydia smith
I guess we do, huh?
tim pool
Yeah, violence, the rise of violence, what they claim to be is anti-racist when they're specifically talking about people of a certain race being violent to liberate themselves, to feel good about it.
ian crossland
I think the problem is that you're blaming any one species or any one race.
Even, you know, we're all in this together as a human race.
We function better in a group regardless of our skin or the way we look or smell or sound or any of that stuff.
lydia smith
I think you're entirely correct.
And this is something interesting.
This is an example of a dangerous idea.
And I think that she should be free to say it, obviously, because I want to know exactly what people are thinking.
But that doesn't mean it's less of a dangerous idea.
And the fact that she is free to say it means that now other people might be able to adopt what she's thinking and go with it.
ian crossland
It makes an argument for censorship.
And like, is sometimes censorship valuable?
lydia smith
Well, then you get into the question, the fundamental question underneath every kind of censorship is who decides?
ian crossland
Oh, that's brutal.
lydia smith
And that's always the question.
And you can say it's going to be a Christian conservative.
Not everyone's going to like that.
You can say it's going to be an atheist and the Christians are going to be shut out.
Or you can say it's going to be somebody like this lady.
That's dangerous, too.
ian crossland
Or a group, because even groups can go crazy.
lydia smith
Right, exactly.
tim pool
Or it might be some random Wemmickson.
lydia smith
Oh gosh, yeah.
ian crossland
That's more likely.
lydia smith
Women's and how could I forget?
tim pool
So I'm definitely going to, we're definitely going to talk about this too in a similar
context.
When the Atlantic writes an article, which to be honest, like we didn't actually read
it so I'm not trying to...
Yeah, it's not worth the time.
Well, no, what I'm saying is, it is, it's important to read all this stuff.
I'm not presenting the criticism in the context of what the argument from the article is.
I'm presenting in the context of the ideas of anti-racism and what we actually get is
this insane critical theory which encompasses so many other things.
So when Donald Trump says something like you've drank the Kool-Aid, Donald Trump banned critical
race theory, but what about critical gender theory?
You know, what about all of these different theories?
Which brings me to Wemmickson, one of my favorite words in the made-up, you know, English language.
I'm sure at some point it'll end up in the dictionary because dictionary.com and Merriam-Webster tend to be woke.
ian crossland
Oh, who owns those?
Who decides that stuff?
I was wondering that a couple days ago.
lydia smith
I don't know, I'm gonna have to look that up.
tim pool
I don't know.
ian crossland
That's weird that we just accept it and we don't know who writes it.
That's crazy.
lydia smith
We're just changing words now.
tim pool
Ten people will, like, think about this word, okay?
You're listening to me speak.
What does Wemmickson mean?
If you just heard that word, Wimixin, what is it?
unidentified
Like a tennis player's last name.
ian crossland
Like an outfit.
Yeah.
tim pool
It is just an alternate spelling of the word woman with an X instead of an A or an E. So it's pronounced, they say it's pronounced like woman, but come on, let's be honest.
If you showed that word to someone who was learning English, they would go, Wimixin?
ian crossland
Oh, and it's the X because the XY chromosome, it's pronounced like a Y, but it's the X chromosome.
tim pool
No!
lydia smith
None of this makes any sense, Ian.
I understand.
tim pool
So look at this.
Ted London.
Why we're using Wimixin?
No, that's not a typo.
Wimixin is a spelling of women that's more inclusive and progressive.
The term sheds lights on the prejudice, discrimination, and institutional barriers Wimixin have faced, and explicitly includes non-cisgendered women.
So what they're basically saying is that the word woman does not include trans women.
So they're transphobic.
ian crossland
I see.
So this is all women, including trans women.
tim pool
Which is transphobic, because trans women are women, right?
ian crossland
Depends on who you ask, but I think yes.
unidentified
Yeah, they are!
tim pool
So, among the left, when they say trans women are women, the idea that you would need to create a new word, Wimixen, is transphobic, because you're basically saying that trans women are not defined by the word women.
This is the inherent problem of the absurdity of this game they play, where nothing can ever be not offensive.
So here's what I said.
I said, the end goal of this stuff really is just to break our society, isn't it?
Let's roll with it.
Okay, Wim Mixon is actually racist because he's still using the Latin alphabet and doesn't represent people of all cultures.
ian crossland
Yeah, every letter we use is a racist, what do they call it, like a kudos to the slave masters of old, the Romans.
lydia smith
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
There it is.
So, if they're going to say, we're going to change the E to an X, because that's inclusive, well then I would argue, what about Cyrillic?
What about Asian characters, or Thai, or Indian?
You know, Sanskrit, whatever.
ian crossland
Oh, we have another guest.
tim pool
So here's what I put.
I don't think I can actually pronounce this.
It's like, I'm not going to even bother saying this.
I'm going to end up saying something really dumb in Chinese if I say it wrong.
But you see, I included these symbols here.
Get out of here.
What are you doing?
to create a new word.
ian crossland
It's a beautiful word.
tim pool
Yeah, the Chinese characters I put in there just spelled communist.
Or I'm sorry, communism.
ian crossland
Wom-communism-in.
tim pool
Yes, wom-communism-in.
Get out of here, what are you doing?
There's a cat on the table.
What are they?
unidentified
What are they?
tim pool
It's because you're here.
unidentified
They love the energy.
It's a free-for-all.
tim pool
Now he's sitting on the table.
Look at this guy.
lydia smith
Yeah, he's chilling.
He's a centerpiece.
tim pool
Hanging out.
ian crossland
He is the man.
tim pool
Anyway.
ian crossland
So I have an issue with the word women.
Maybe you guys can help me out with.
unidentified
Sure.
ian crossland
Why is the word men in the word women?
lydia smith
That's their issue.
tim pool
Because the original word was whiffman, and the original word for male was whereman.
ian crossland
Oh, so it was the wife of the men?
No.
tim pool
That's where wife comes from.
So, it was weremen, meaning male human, and withmen, female human.
And eventually it became woman, and that's where werewolf comes from.
Werewolf was like... Human wolf.
Right.
lydia smith
Interesting.
tim pool
So, man was just a reference to humanity.
ian crossland
I see.
tim pool
But eventually over time, I guess because of the patriarchy, man became to reference colloquially human males.
And I say patriarchy, but I actually, as much as it is silly, I do mean that in a certain sense.
So, you know, early on, when humans were a bit more tribal and nomadic, and I'm not going to pretend to be an anthropologist or sociologist to know the finer details, but I would just surmise that there were specific descriptors between the males and the females, where men, with men, and that's my understanding.
It's not like I've got the book pulled up.
I can't tell you everything specifically.
Did he just try and drink it?
lydia smith
He did try to put his paw into your water.
tim pool
Oh, come on.
lydia smith
I watched it and I couldn't say anything about it.
ian crossland
He's thirsty for your water.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
tim pool
I got a gatorade here.
Anyway, anyway, I was talking about the root words.
lydia smith
I was not listening, sorry.
tim pool
So, eventually when society was built, I've read, you know, this is really funny.
We're going to get into these studies because if I don't pull up the sources, then people try and claim it's not true or whatever.
But anyway, I was reading a study that basically said, not a study, but it was like a research paper talking about the rise of civilization and patriarchy.
And what they basically said was, because women are so important to society, that women were protected, which gradually evolved into traditional gender roles of the men would go out and work and the woman would stay home where it was safe.
Now he's drinking your water.
ian crossland
Paco wants a piece.
tim pool
Yeah.
So the idea was, In early human civilization, you have men going on the hunt and stuff like that, women were gathering and taking care of the tribe, while men were taking more risks.
But because they were all really much around each other, they basically said we had words to describe different genders.
But once it came to be that women were staying behind and civilization was functioning with men doing the work, then men only talking to each other would just say man because it was simpler among themselves.
Or if they made a reference to all people, it typically would only refer to human males.
ian crossland
Like they would go out on hunting missions for months at a time, the men, as far as I know.
Like ancient Native American cultures, they'd go out for like weeks at a time.
So they'd only be with guys.
So I can see that the language has shifted a bit.
tim pool
I don't know a whole lot about that stuff.
ian crossland
Yeah, it would be longer than a day or two.
They'd go out for long periods of time.
Also, the idea of patronage and, like, the patriarchy is, like, ancient Venice, for instance, was a patriarchy.
The patron, or the oldest male of the family, or the most prominent male, would be in charge of the entire city.
And then when he died, they would vote for another patron.
tim pool
It's kind of like Wakanda, where the Black Panther and T'Challa and all that stuff.
Because they had ritual combat to determine the king.
It was a patriarchal, monarchist, ritual combat government.
I love how that was a popular movie.
I mean, you know, Chadwick Boseman was an awesome, awesome dude.
So, you know, rest in peace.
ian crossland
I'm sad to hear, you know... I still haven't seen Wakanda, man, or Black Panther.
I hear it's awesome.
tim pool
I'd give it a 7 out of 10.
Like, Marvel movies tend to be good.
But a lot of people were acting like it was some grand masterpiece for, like, you know, racial reasons and stuff like that.
And I'm like...
You know, if people, if my, my response to a lot of this stuff is people have their opinions and their views.
And I don't, I really don't care if someone comes out and they were like, this is what it meant to me.
I'm like, that's really cool.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
tim pool
You know, you do your thing.
I'm not, I'm not going to be on your, those are your feelings.
I'm not going to, I'm not going to argue about how you feel.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
I would judge since I studied it.
I judge it more like critically, critically funny word to throw around these days, but like more like what's the plot.
How do the scenes, how's the lighting in the scene?
Like that's how I judge movies, not how I emotionally.
tim pool
Yeah, some of the CGI was kind of, ugh, at the end.
ian crossland
Oh, that turns me off.
tim pool
Yeah, like the final fight scene.
But, uh, you know, anyway, the point is, I thought it was an okay, I thought it was pretty good.
I thought it was pretty good.
I think it was fun.
A lot of people like to, you know, what really bothers me about the Cult of Wokeness, and actually this is a good point to segue into this.
We'll talk about Colin Kaepernick and the Cult of Wokeness.
They will buy anything.
if it is from the church.
And I don't mean that as in the Christian church, I mean it as in terms of like their new religion.
So first, let me introduce you to Colin Kaepernick is back in the Madden game, which people thought was really interesting because Colin Kaepernick is not a football player.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
He's in the game.
ian crossland
He left the NFL.
This is in 2016.
Four years ago.
He basically got cut out and that's that.
They took him out of the game.
lydia smith
He's not great.
tim pool
Now he's in the game.
ian crossland
Now they put him back.
tim pool
They put him in the game.
ian crossland
With his Black Power sign.
tim pool
So that's when he scores a touchdown he does the Black Power sign?
ian crossland
He does that.
Is that Black Power?
The fist, yeah.
tim pool
Well, it's arguably the communist... It's revolutionary.
Yeah, revolutionary fist.
ian crossland
It's wild that it's getting co-opted by the... Oh, it's the revolution.
Because it's like the fashy.
Yeah, right.
tim pool
Yeah, the fingers together make us strong, and that's why you show the fingers to people.
ian crossland
That's the Black Power thing, too, right?
They would do that.
tim pool
Raising the fist.
I mean, you know, it's a salute for racial... The Black Panther thing.
Racial identitarianism.
They put it in a video game.
ian crossland
Yeah, but that was his real touchdown move.
In real life?
Is that why they did that?
tim pool
No, I don't think so.
He just got on his knee or whatever.
ian crossland
Dude, that guy, he's divisive.
How do you feel about Colin?
tim pool
I think he is a brilliant businessman who realized that... Let's just cut right to the chase, okay?
Why is he being put in this video game?
First, I think, you mentioned this, sometimes they put free agents in these games.
They're not on teams, but they're prominent players, and so they decide to include them.
It's been four years.
Maybe he shouldn't be included, but, you know, whatever.
Who am I to judge?
He's a famous person who was in the NFL.
He's not anymore.
And if they thought it was gonna work for them, so be it.
I don't care.
Apparently the game was terrible and nobody wanted to play it anyway.
ian crossland
Oh, wow.
tim pool
But this, to me, is a really good example of get broke, go woke.
Not the other way around.
lydia smith
This is what the Oscars just did, too.
tim pool
Yes, the Oscars did this.
A misconception among many people is that these companies decide to embrace wokeness because that will make them money.
ian crossland
So they signed a contract with Colin gambling that it's going to sell more games.
tim pool
I don't know exactly what the deal with Madden was, but Nike has a big deal, it's like an all-star deal, where apparently some people are estimating like five million.
ian crossland
With Colin?
tim pool
Yeah, and they're saying that this deal is reserved for the best players in the NFL.
ian crossland
He's not even signed.
lydia smith
No, he's not a good player either.
tim pool
But let me explain this.
There have been some instances where companies have made woke products and then failed miserably.
And everybody laughs and says, get woke, go broke.
lydia smith
This is something we've said.
tim pool
Yeah, and I say it a lot.
If you embrace wokeness, you're going to lose money.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Here's what's actually happening for a lot of these companies.
They're losing money, so they decide to try getting woke to make money.
You know why?
Have you ever seen a woke comedy show?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
These people... Here's how I can explain regular comedy.
You're sitting there, and you got, say, someone like Ryan Long.
Have you seen his videos?
ian crossland
I love him, man.
tim pool
He's amazing.
He's hilarious.
We had him on the show.
ian crossland
I watched one of his last night, yeah.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And so you're sitting there, you're laughing.
You're like, this guy's amazing!
This is so funny!
Dude, I saw there's an article from Babylon Beat and it said new Netflix subscription service pumps raw septic waste straight into your living room and it was just people sitting in it and like a family sitting on a sofa laughing and smiling and there's a pipe with just sewage spraying everywhere.
One of the funniest things I've ever seen.
Amazing.
And it was like the CEO of Netflix said the industry is evolving and we're evolving with it.
People are really excited to pay $8.99 to have raw sewage pumped into your home.
ian crossland
Funky.
tim pool
Amazing.
But here's the thing.
Woke comedy is like, did you see the white man with his privilege get fired?
And they go, ha ha ha ha ha.
lydia smith
Claps not laughs.
tim pool
Claptor.
Do you know what claptor is?
ian crossland
Well, I'm starting to understand.
lydia smith
It's horrible.
tim pool
Claptor is the idea that people are clapping, not because you're funny, because you're saying things that confirm their bias or they like.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
So like John Oliver, for instance.
He does not make you laugh.
He gives you claptor.
ian crossland
Yeah, for sure.
It's so obvious too.
tim pool
So he's sitting there and he's like, did you see the orange man?
He's so bad.
And then everyone's like, ha ha ha ha.
You are very funny.
I am laughing.
Enjoy it.
It's not real.
So what we're seeing is, here's a question that I asked, and maybe this will be offensive to a lot of religious people.
Have you ever been to church?
ian crossland
Only like on Easter a couple of times, and I got stung by a bee, so... Alright, would you consider... Throw it back.
tim pool
And you've definitely been to church?
lydia smith
I have been to church for most of my life.
tim pool
Would either of you consider it to be entertaining?
ian crossland
The one I went to was not.
tim pool
No?
What about you?
lydia smith
Um, the one that I went to, it depended on the preacher.
I finally found a church that was actually engaging.
It wasn't entertaining, but it was engaging.
tim pool
What's the point of football?
lydia smith
To be entertaining.
tim pool
To be entertained!
lydia smith
Yes, to be part of a team.
tim pool
So listen, I ask the question, why is it that people go to church Even though it's not entertaining to them.
ian crossland
To learn?
tim pool
Because, well, no, it's because people are going there to practice their faith and to worship and to meet and share with other people, right?
They're willing to go to these services, and to be fair, these, like, legitimate religions with, like, scripture and real basis, I can respect someone having faith and saying, we're going to go to service.
I've been to church several times, and I think there are a lot of churches that do a really good job of being informative and interesting and engaging, like you mentioned.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
And I think it's actually a problem that there are a lot of churches that, you know... They do try too hard to be entertaining.
Well, it's not so much that they try too hard, it's that there are some that are just... you don't want to be there.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And especially young people don't want to be there.
lydia smith
Well, yeah, you start to feel really guilty.
And one of the things that I noticed with Church was that they, well, first of all, they would try to be too entertaining, and also people use it as an exercise of discipline.
So it is not meant to be fun.
It is not meant to be funny.
It's just something that you have to do.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Yeah, discipline.
Well, so here's what's happening, in my opinion.
When they put Colin Kaepernick in this game, when they make a movie like Ghostbusters, what they're betting on is, listen, Our company is dying.
We're losing money.
The ratings are down for all of these things.
If we embrace the cult of wokeness, the adherents will just watch because it's, you know, confirmation bias.
It's their religion.
So what they do is they inject all of this into things hoping that they can create an ideological base that doesn't actually find any of this fun or funny.
They'll just go, isn't this amazing?
Isn't it really fun?
Because I'll tell you what, man, I've seen woke comedians and I would not call them comedians.
ian crossland
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, there was one, I think Vice did a segment where they had a woke comedian and all he did was make fun of himself.
And I'm like, first of all, I don't know you.
And they're in no, like, listen, Rodney Dangerfield.
Now that guy knew self-deprecating humor.
ian crossland
He was very, like, raw.
He wasn't, like, PPC or anything like that.
tim pool
And it wasn't always self-deprecating, but I'll tell you what.
I do not want to hear a guy go, get a load of my white privilege, and then have everyone laugh.
I'm like, that wasn't a joke.
You just said a buzzword that the zealots of your cult are going to go, hey, he's a white privilege!
He recognizes white privilege!
Clap, clap, clap, clap, clap!
There's some people who do woke comedy, and I'm not gonna pretend like it's all bad.
I'm just saying it's disproportionately not funny.
And I'll tell you this, like, I'm gonna get real offensive too, because I know that there are some people who are like, what?
You have a look.
lydia smith
I'm listening.
tim pool
She's ready.
lydia smith
I'm ready to be offended.
tim pool
Do you know where I'm going?
lydia smith
No, I don't.
Take it away.
tim pool
He's like, have you ever seen these really cringy, like, low-quality religious films?
lydia smith
Oh my gosh, my entire upbringing was spent watching these movies.
Okay, yeah.
tim pool
And I'm like, you're going to get offended.
lydia smith
Oh no, I'm not offended.
These things are awful.
Oh my gosh.
ian crossland
What was the worst one you ever saw?
lydia smith
The worst one?
So they're, oh, I can't, I think I blocked them from my memory because they're that bad, but all of them are poorly acted.
They're poorly scripted.
There's no plot.
Everything's horrible.
ian crossland
Didn't Cameron, what's his name?
Kirk Cameron did one that was really kind of high budget.
lydia smith
Dude.
Even the modern ones are just so bad.
They have never gotten any better.
And I'm like, what is wrong with you people?
We're losing the culture war already.
You're making it worse.
unidentified
Stop.
tim pool
Well, yeah, well, I was gonna say, like, I've seen some of these really low quality.
Like, I can't remember what I was saying.
I watched a superhero.
I think I can't remember what channel was in Chicago.
It's like a religious channel.
I grew up.
I grew up Catholic briefly until I was like, I think.
10 or 11, we were going to church and stuff.
So they showed us a bunch of this really hokey stuff.
And I'm like, you want to talk about a B movie?
Let's talk about like a Z movie, where it's like, I don't know, you get the point.
ian crossland
So they get non-actors to just read a script, but it's more about the words to try and like, this is scripture.
No, it's just they're not film producers.
tim pool
They're not Hollywood.
So yeah, to be fair, right?
They're making content to the best of their abilities and they're not movie studios.
lydia smith
Yes, I would say that their hearts are definitely in the right place.
They just don't know how to produce or use modern computers.
tim pool
So you think about these things and then also think about woke movies like Ghostbusters, right?
ian crossland
I didn't see it.
tim pool
Imagine what would happen if you took some of these people and you gave them 200 million dollars to make their movie.
They still don't know how to make a movie.
lydia smith
They would just make a horrible movie with 200 million dollars.
tim pool
They'd make Ghostbusters 2016.
lydia smith
Have you seen Ghostbusters 2016?
tim pool
2016! They would make these- have you seen Ghostbusters 2016?
ian crossland
No, no, thank god I have not.
lydia smith
You're missing out.
tim pool
Imagine- so like, every male character is mentally deficient in some capacity or just like- it's just so awful.
ian crossland
It looks so bad, dude.
tim pool
Yeah.
This is what happens when you give, you know, the zealots access to capital and they don't know how to do... They just spend the rest on marketing, basically.
ian crossland
So they make the crappy, still make the crappy thing.
So they overpay the actors.
tim pool
No, they just don't know how to write a movie.
ian crossland
And if you speak out against it, you get fired.
So they got all these people on big contracts and they got to kind of...
tim pool
Imagine if someone was gonna make a new Iron Man, and they're like, we're gonna bring back Robert Downey Jr., it's gonna be big, and the guy who's gonna run it is Fred, the pastor down from, you know, my local church in, like, Fremont, Nebraska, and he's gonna be like, wouldn't it be great if, you know, Tony goes to confession, and talks about why he's, you know, his sins, and then actually, you know, does, what's it called when you have the rosary, and they tell you what to do, like, when you confess?
lydia smith
So I wasn't a Catholic, so I don't have any knowledge.
tim pool
Oh, that's Catholic.
unidentified
I'm sorry.
lydia smith
Yeah, you were the Catholic, my friend.
tim pool
That's right.
We would go into confession, and then you have the rosary, and then they would tell you, like... Praying the rosary?
Yeah, praying the rosary.
lydia smith
Yeah, so you're confessional, I don't know.
tim pool
And I mean no disrespect to people who actually practice these religions.
I'm saying, wouldn't it be kind of out of place if you watched a movie and there were these weird breaks where it was just, like, very on-the-nose, overtly Catholic activities?
It's like, Iron Man's like, in order to stop the evil villain Mandarin, We should all go to church on Sunday.
There's a great service and then they spend 20 minutes.
That's kind of like, I mean, I'm obviously exaggerating, but take that and replace that with the wokeness.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
And it's like the men are all really dumb and everything is like, yeah, it's like, it's like watching a religious propaganda film almost.
lydia smith
Ugh, just as bad.
tim pool
Yeah, with really low production quality.
ian crossland
Knowing or believing this is a religion, this new cult of personality or whatever, cult of religion, cult of race, is that what it is?
tim pool
And you know, I would call it a non-theistic religion because it's too widespread and there's no like, there's no Pope of, you know, there's no cult leader of wokeness.
There are priests, you know, and I guess you could argue there's like Pope-ish type people, but they're like, you know, cults are specifically worshiping some individual.
ian crossland
Oh.
tim pool
And so, yeah, so like there's a, I was reading research on cults because I was talking to a friend and I said, well, this is a cult.
And they said, no, it isn't.
I looked up the definition of a cult, like there's an anthropological whatever.
And it typically requires an individual who leads it.
ian crossland
But there are cults where it's just a culture because it's probably derived from the word culture, I would think, or.
tim pool
I don't know.
Um, but there's cults of personality where the person dies and they worship their, their picture.
And then someone basically is the, you know, YouTube's a cult of personality.
ian crossland
Like you get subscribers, people follow you and it's like, they're following your personality.
You create a culture around your personality.
tim pool
I don't know about that.
ian crossland
Actors like Brad Pitt has a cult of personality surrounding him.
tim pool
Maybe it's very powerful.
ian crossland
Donald Trump.
tim pool
But Brad Pitt's not telling you to give your money to him.
Cult isn't inherently bad.
ian crossland
I know they kind of are trying to sell their body like it's a product that you go and worship.
tim pool
I'll put it this way.
There's nothing wrong with having a beer.
There's something wrong when having a beer interferes with your daily life.
There's nothing wrong with, you know, wanting to follow news about your favorite celebrity.
There's something wrong with doing nothing but following them and interfering with your life.
ian crossland
Appreciating humans is actually a very good thing for society, but getting obsessed with them is not.
lydia smith
Oh yeah, for sure.
Moderation.
tim pool
Well, I think the more worrying thing is how ideology is... Man, you know, what were we watching?
Earlier today I said Christianity in this country is dead.
lydia smith
Um, I think we were watching... The Firm?
We were watching The Firm.
Yeah, I don't remember the context.
tim pool
Oh, that's right, that's right, that's right.
The reason I said that is because in the 1990s and in a lot of these movies... So, this is really interesting.
Adam was jamming on the show one night.
And he has that one song where he says, it's time to confess your sins.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
But Adam's not religious.
You know?
And I was like, it's really interesting that somebody who's not a practicing religious individual Uses the concept of confessing your sins because if you went to like China or India, that's not something culturally relevant to them They might understand it, but it's like, you know Imagine if he's saying meditate in a temple, you know and find enlightenment All right, so so we understand these concepts but confessing your sins is a very common cultural thing so we were watching the firm with Tom Cruise from 1993 and there was a scene where they were at a funeral and I was seeing like the priest read rights and all that stuff and that's why I was like
The cultural relevance of this was in a mainstream Tom Cruise major motion picture.
Today, they probably, of course, still have things like this, but it was interesting to see, like, back then how prominent Christianity was, even among Hollywood liberals.
lydia smith
Just accepted.
tim pool
Right, yeah, just like a normal thing to be in a major movie.
And now, Not so much.
ian crossland
I wonder how much it's it's like in our subconscious is like monogamy is like a Catholic is like a Christian thing.
tim pool
No, no, I wouldn't.
Well, I mean, it's not monogamy.
Jesus, you know, like marriage, as we know, it is typically an Abrahamic church.
ian crossland
Like you can't go to the to the courthouse, but you were going to say.
lydia smith
So I think the fact, I think this ties into Adam talking about the idea of confession even though he's not religious is because there are things that go under human understanding.
Like the concept that you need to have a man and a woman and they need to be together and they need to be united by like a common cord and a cultural pressure to keep them together.
That's good for families.
Families are good for the culture.
You know, all of this stuff is underneath.
It's not, I don't think it is just Abrahamic religion.
I think it is part of the human experience.
I think there's something that you can't Avoid.
I think the feeling of guilt that we all get sometimes and the idea that Adam brings up about confessing is so, I don't know, like ingrained.
You can't escape it.
And I don't think it is fully religion.
I think it's manifest.
tim pool
But the concept of sin itself is what I mean.
lydia smith
You think that's religious?
tim pool
No, no, no.
Yes.
The word sin is specific to Christianity, isn't it?
ian crossland
Pride, lust, sloth.
tim pool
The word sin itself.
I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.
ian crossland
There's virtues and sins in the Catholic faith.
lydia smith
Yeah, in every faith.
tim pool
But is sin, as a word, a concept outside of Christianity?
ian crossland
Gosh, I would like to know that.
lydia smith
I believe it is, yeah.
tim pool
It is?
lydia smith
I believe so.
So a sin is just an immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law.
tim pool
Look up the etymology.
lydia smith
The etymology?
Hold on.
The entomology.
The bug.
tim pool
Oh, is that what I said?
lydia smith
The etymology is right.
tim pool
Etymology.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
I said etymology.
lydia smith
So it's from the Latin for guilty.
tim pool
Interesting.
lydia smith
So it is not necessarily religious.
It is just part of human nature.
tim pool
Oh, well, there you go.
You learn something new every day.
ian crossland
Every religion has its own sins.
Like certain religions would look at like debauchery as a sin, whereas other ones don't.
lydia smith
Yeah, because these things are bad for the culture.
Debauchery is bad for the culture.
People being drunk is bad for the culture.
tim pool
Eating pork.
You could get sick.
lydia smith
Exactly.
ian crossland
Eating sugar.
lydia smith
Yeah, and that was why God put the kibosh on it and stuff like shellfish in Leviticus.
Everyone thinks that's crazy, but when they were eating it, it could make, and it often did make you very sick.
ian crossland
So it was a sin, but then when they learned how to cook the... It became less relevant.
Yeah, the hookworm out of it, then it no longer was a sin.
unidentified
Exactly.
lydia smith
Well, and the other part too was that God was trying to keep his people separate from other people around them.
He was trying to make them separate and holy and important and special to him.
tim pool
Well, do you guys know about the dawning of the age of Aquarius?
Yeah, have you seen Zeitgeist?
Yeah.
I remember watching that where he's like, you know, what's the guy's name?
Peter Joseph?
ian crossland
Yeah, yeah, I think so.
Yeah.
tim pool
He's talking about how the Judaism was the age of Ares, and they blow the ram's horn.
And that the next age was the age of Pisces, which we're in now and symbol of the fish.
I don't think it's going to last.
It doesn't seem sustainable.
the Jesus fish was a reference to the new age.
Well, we're entering the age of Aquarius, the water bearer.
So is wokeness the new religion that will take over?
ian crossland
I don't think it's going to last.
I don't, I just, it doesn't seem sustainable.
lydia smith
I don't think it can.
ian crossland
Because it's built on fear and hate.
It's not about bringing people together.
tim pool
It's about what they used to say about Christianity.
lydia smith
No, this is a little bit different.
So I know I was raised in Christianity and I know there are people who have left the church violently who say that it's nothing but fear and guilt.
And there is a bit of that if you're not doing it right.
But I think that basing something on fear and guilt is, in fact, untenable.
I think that Christianity is not based on fear or guilt.
It's based on a A healthy respect for divine providence, for God, and for other humans.
ian crossland
And like, Jesus, if you break it down, the Christ consciousness is like, that's a good thing, but when you organize a religion, a business around it, and try and profit off of the concept is when it starts to get dangerous.
lydia smith
Yeah, you involve human greed and stuff.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
It's a problem.
tim pool
Yup.
The very simple story of a dude who helped other dudes.
ian crossland
Dude, if we could just behave like Jesus, like if everyone started behaving like that, That's like the whole point of Christianity.
lydia smith
They're just like, just behave like this guy.
He was great.
He was the son of God.
You're not perfect, but do the best you can and ask for forgiveness.
tim pool
Forgiveness.
Turn the other cheek.
I would love it if the SCWs would turn the other cheek.
lydia smith
I would love it if everyone did.
tim pool
Good sir, I couldn't help but notice that you said a naughty word on Twitter.
Well, I ask that you humbly take into consideration, but I will turn the other cheek and I will move on.
I'd be like, how nice.
ian crossland
And they should get likes for that.
If you could somehow get rewarded for not dissing on someone.
lydia smith
Yeah, but dude, humans are flawed.
tim pool
Dude, that's the Twitter, man.
Twitter is a rage machine.
Twitter is a video game where you try and figure out how to get the most points.
That's what it feels like.
Retweets, likes, shares, followers.
And guess what?
In order to get those, you have to be a mean person.
That's why Twitter started adding this thing where it's like, are you sure you want to call this person a douchebag?
unidentified
Oh, really?
tim pool
Have you seen that?
unidentified
No.
lydia smith
Are you still having that?
tim pool
I don't know.
lydia smith
I haven't seen it at all.
tim pool
Did they get rid of it?
lydia smith
I don't know.
ian crossland
But I never call people douchebags.
lydia smith
That's hilarious.
So it's like, I don't know if it happens to other people.
tim pool
Like, you'd respond to someone saying, shut your mouth, you dumb, you know, whatever.
And it would be like, are you sure you want to say this to this person?
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
That's awesome.
tim pool
Dude, Twitter had an opportunity to get rid of these things, but Twitter is literally, it's where you go to get angry.
ian crossland
Yeah, lately I have been.
So I'll retweet like a violent protest of a guy getting kicked in the gut and then I'll do like two of those and then I'll retweet like a baby smiling at the rainbow.
It's like one out of five joyous things.
I'm trying to keep it like some level of balance.
I'll do like philosophy, but no one likes, people get angry when I try and be philosophical on Twitter.
tim pool
They're like, They're like, why aren't you insulting someone over something inane?
ian crossland
Don't try and talk down to me.
tim pool
This is not an arbitrary and generic insult.
And then they insult you because of it.
So, I got a really funny, just like, quick tidbit.
On the show, I can't remember which show it was, I was talking about how conservatives are more attractive than liberals.
ian crossland
Oh, I heard that.
tim pool
It's true.
I saw that tweet.
So there's several studies that back this up.
And there was a story from the Washington Post, actually, I think for the sake of avoiding, you know, vitriol.
lydia smith
Misquoting, maybe?
tim pool
No, people being like, Tim's making this up.
It's like, I'll just I'll just pull up the actual story.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
Take a look.
unidentified
Oh.
lydia smith
Oh, snap.
tim pool
Conservatives really are better looking.
This is just one of several studies.
And what's really funny about this is that it was Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks was insulting me because I brought this up.
Somebody took a clip of me saying that, you know, when you go to the DNC, you see overweight, frumpy individuals.
When you go to the RNC, you see tall, handsome, or busty women.
And that's not an anecdote that's from me.
It was from a feminist who was explaining to me the concept of privilege and how it breaks down between the political parties.
If you go through life as handsome and attractive with, you know, tall and a deep voice and you're like ripped, people are going to do favors for you, they're going to be nice to you, and you are going, you're going to be like, I don't want redistribution of my wealth, I've been able to do it on my own.
This is just a general concept of privilege.
And so I was actually referencing this, so basically what happens is, In the context of Twitter, even though you could simply Google search, conservatives better looking, you would find numerous studies.
There's one out of Cambridge that says people who are more attractive tend to have conservative political beliefs and become Republican.
There's also another study that says in Europe, particularly it's this one referencing Finland, saying they had people who didn't know the politicians of a certain country and asked them to rate appearance and found conservative political parties had more attractive members.
lydia smith
So it's cause, not effect.
tim pool
They said that they don't know correlation or causation, but they found a correlation between, you know.
ian crossland
I would think like if you're good-looking and life is handed to you more readily, that why would you want to change it?
So you tend towards more conservation and keeping things the status quo.
Independence.
tim pool
If I can do it on my own.
ian crossland
If you're funky looking and you gotta break it all down.
lydia smith
That's right, burn it all down.
tim pool
Portland, baby.
So the main issue is...
You get a bunch of people like... I'm talking about the host of The Young Turks, one of the biggest political networks.
He didn't even take two seconds to Google search when I said, there's a study.
He tweeted at me, insulting me in my appearance.
Mocking me for wearing the beanie or whatever.
ian crossland
Too hot for the beanie, yeah.
tim pool
And then he said, what study?
And I'm like, the craziest thing is I've not said a bad word about Cenk Uygur.
I maybe was critical of him because he yelled at me at Politicon a couple years ago.
ian crossland
Oh, nice.
tim pool
Like he just got in my face with screaming.
I'm like, dude...
But I've not said anything bad about him or anybody else.
So I'm like, why did he just decide to start insulting me?
And the crazy thing is... He wants to come on the show, man!
I know, right?
No, it's because Twitter has turned people into hate mongers.
ian crossland
So easy.
tim pool
They turn them into hate mongers.
So here's his opportunity to dunk.
If he did a simple Google search, he would have found that I was not trying to denigrate anyone.
I was referencing research.
What was not included in his clip was me saying a feminist was explaining this concept to me.
ian crossland
Yeah, the clip was out of context.
It was three clips edited together to make one long clip.
It was totally out of context.
tim pool
Of course, of course.
And what he could have done was simply said, I wonder if this is true.
Instead, he ends up with, you know, several hundred people all laughing and giggling amongst themselves and high-fiving each other about how smart they are, even though I was actually referencing a real study.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
Whether you want to agree with the study or not is irrelevant.
There's several studies that say the same thing.
And the point I was trying to bring up was privilege!
If you are a privileged individual of great attractiveness, then you do not want to give up what you've gotten because of it.
And they argued against the idea.
lydia smith
If he'd listened.
tim pool
The general idea, the reason I'm bringing this up is, you can get people to argue against their own ideology if they're dunking on you to be angry and hateful.
ian crossland
Oh, good point.
Be the fop.
tim pool
So here you have a bunch of leftists who are the ones advocating for this concept of privilege, arguing against that very concept because it was an opportunity to insult me and earn points.
Oh wow.
Right.
This says to me, you know, Twitter is a tribalist machine that trains people to find a tribe, disregard principle, and insult someone else.
You get retweets, you get likes, you get followers.
That's why we have Trump Reply Guys.
They have nothing of substance to add, but they are tribalists who say, Trump is bad!
And they get followers.
Then they say, PayPal me!
And they make money.
ian crossland
Do you like that there's no downvote on Twitter?
tim pool
I don't know if that, I mean, actually, maybe there should be.
What I don't like is that when you open someone's tweet, you'll see, like, your algorithmic top tweet.
And so the left and the right see different things.
ian crossland
Oh, wow.
lydia smith
People you follow.
ian crossland
Right, that's very echo chamber-y.
tim pool
Exactly.
So, if we did upvotes and downvotes on replies, then it'd be a much more interesting space.
Much more interesting.
And I think it's not so cut and dry as to say who would, you know, dominate left or right.
I think there'd be instances where the right would upvote crazy, and the left would upvote crazy, and you'd see a little bit back and forth.
It also, I think, could actually help the left get more exposure to the right, which they need, because the right has exposure to the left.
lydia smith
No choice.
tim pool
Not so the other way around.
So, more importantly, I'm just like, I roll my eyes when I see, you know, Cenk Uygur of the Young Turks has a massive network.
They get something like 50 million views per month.
And he... Is this the nature of his work that when someone calmly references some research on like a podcast, that he turns it into a rage click without research?
And so he's misinforming his audience.
They were all thinking that they're so much smarter and better.
And the crazy thing was how they were insulting my appearance.
I'm like, but I did not directly insult anybody.
I said, you tend to see this at the RNC, you tend to see it at the DNC.
And it was actually a feminist who made a video about this explaining it.
ian crossland
Yeah, but I don't think that was in the video, was it?
I think it all came from because it was out of context.
They didn't see the study and what you're talking about.
tim pool
Well, I didn't show the study.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Because it was like, you know, I once read a study and, you know, basically what they said was, and instead of doing a Google search to be like, I wonder if that's true.
They immediately just say, let's drum up hate for money.
ian crossland
It's like the ability to make snap judgments about people and things is, is very like read, read the title, but don't read the article and make a comment.
Like that's, that's dangerous, but maybe necessary for evolution.
Like we have to be able to make quick snap judgments to survive.
tim pool
I think, I think information is traveling so fast it didn't travel this way before.
You know, uh, I think, were we talking about World War I or something?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Where it was like, it would take weeks for the messages to come back to the U.S.
for you to even know what was going on.
That's crazy.
Now, there was a crazy video where you had GoPro footage from a tank and from the people shooting at the tank.
ian crossland
What?! !
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
It was amazing.
tim pool
Interesting story.
And some news organization put the clips together and they're like, for the first time, you have video footage from both sides of an active conflict.
Oh, good.
So this is coming in really, really quickly.
So what ends up happening is, back in the day, what did you have to read?
You didn't have Twitter.
You had a pamphlet that came and has three things to say on it.
You're going to read all of it because there's nothing else to read.
Now, I've got 5,000 tweets every minute.
What's the fire hose on Twitter?
It's ridiculous!
So you're just like flipping through like, oh, I can only read a few things and people are just being... it's information overload.
So what's crazy is...
There's, uh, I love how there's like this idea of the grifter.
When I was talking to a friend of mine, he was like, bro, you just make, you know, angry videos, insulting Democrats because it's your business model.
You know what you're doing.
And I'm like, I know what I'm doing and that I have an opinion.
And I was like, and you posting your complaints on social media is literally the same thing.
The only difference is I do it as a job and you do it endlessly all day for posting memes, I guess.
unidentified
I don't know.
ian crossland
Also speaking on video is very different.
It takes a certain level of confidence and it changes you.
To communicate via video.
I mean, that's a powerful medium.
tim pool
I just mean, like, one of the things that's happening right now is that there's no way I could know everything.
So of course I get things wrong all the time.
I'm a dude who's giving his opinion on major news, trying to use certified sources and do my best to fact-check, and there are people who are like, Tim's misinforming people.
And I'm like, and so is The Young Turks, and so is Steven Crowder, and so is Six Seconds.
Everybody is getting something wrong.
Everybody is doing this.
It's a very, very different ecosystem.
Now, you can argue it's bad.
Maybe it really is.
I don't know what the solution is.
ian crossland
It seems necessary, whatever it is.
tim pool
We're all trying to assert, like, actually, this is true because of this reason.
And then someone's saying, no, Tim's wrong, and here's why.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's like trying to be right is less important than trying to be honest.
tim pool
Yeah.
Trying to win, I think.
Trying to win for your tribe.
ian crossland
That's something that makes me nervous about Trump because he talks about winning and it makes me like really nervous.
I don't like it.
tim pool
I don't like the idea of tribes.
I don't care about tribes.
I don't want to be in anyone's tribe.
I'm going to go build my own shack in the middle of the woods with a little river and a dog.
You leave me alone.
I'm going to do my thing.
You do yours.
Very libertarian.
Just leave me alone.
ian crossland
Is the dog in your tribe?
tim pool
Yes.
lydia smith
That's his entire tribe.
ian crossland
He wants to be in your tribe.
tim pool
This is what I've talked about.
I'm very left libertarian in the sense that I'm all about having a hippie farm.
We have our own little farm.
We have a small group of people.
We share.
We get along.
Everything's great.
Leave us alone.
It doesn't work in a grand scale, life libertarianism, you know, with the big cities, but that's what I'm, that's what I'm, do you leave me alone?
And we're going to share, you know, our fruits and veggies.
And, you know, we just got to, we got a bunch of jalapenos that just came from the garden.
lydia smith
It's going to be great.
ian crossland
Oh, I shouted out all those new peppers we got.
Ghost peppers.
FYI.
tim pool
Delicious.
ian crossland
For the win.
Those are amazing.
tim pool
Spicy though.
ian crossland
They're like, they smell like green pepper, but I think they're red.
tim pool
I have no idea.
Dude, they're hot.
ian crossland
They're spicy.
lydia smith
They're so spicy.
ian crossland
And they make new peppers out of, like, ghost peppers.
So, like, a lot of these really hot peppers are ghost pepper amalgams.
You know, what do they call it when they blend them?
unidentified
Hybrids.
ian crossland
Yeah, hybrids.
tim pool
I have no idea what I was talking about.
lydia smith
But peppers now.
ian crossland
Emotions and being a YouTuber.
Like, having the burden of trying to communicate.
tim pool
No, no, just like, just how people, everyone thinks they're right and everyone else is wrong.
And the challenge now is that Even with people like me, where I produce content, I'm just one perspective.
And so that's why I'm often telling people, you gotta watch other shows too.
Because otherwise, I'm probably missing a big piece of the picture.
I'm just one person.
lydia smith
This is where the left comes up short.
Because they're telling you, Brian Stelter and this guy in that video we watched earlier, stop watching Fox News.
Dude, screw you.
Watch every single news source so that you can form your own opinion.
And I'm constantly listening to people and I'm trying to find what little bit of truth they have to tell me.
Because 90% of it is their opinion and there's a little bit of truth in there and I'll take it and I'll use it.
tim pool
You know why I really want people to watch every news source?
Because if you have somebody who only watches Fox News and then they watch CNN, And then you have somebody who only watches CNN and then they watch Fox News.
Both of them are gonna go, CNN is lying.
ian crossland
Oh, good point.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
CNN is notoriously bad journalism.
tim pool
Oh, it's, it's, yes.
My favorite was when Don Lemon was talking to a panel and he goes, a lot of people on the internet are talking about, you know, black holes.
And I know it's preposterous, but you know, Mary, is it preposterous?
Is the missing Malaysian airplane, right?
ian crossland
Oh, that it fell into a black hole?
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And then the woman goes, Oh, you know, even a small black hole would swallow the whole universe.
lydia smith
It just got worse.
tim pool
You know what, man?
And then I was watching Fox and Friends one morning, and they had a priest on to talk about how evolution wasn't real.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
Fox and News.
But I'll tell you what.
Primetime, I think Tucker Carlson does a really, really, really good job.
ian crossland
Yeah, he's carrying the torch, man.
lydia smith
He really is.
I'm impressed.
ian crossland
And did you see when Jon Stewart just basically browbeat him back in the day?
It was when Tucker had a great reckoning.
He used to wear a bow tie.
tim pool
It was Crossfire.
ian crossland
Yeah, they had Jon Stewart on the show, and Jon Stewart made a mockery out of Tucker, and Tucker just took it.
He just listened to him because he had a lot of respect for Jon, and it changed his mind, and he became a better journalist after that.
tim pool
Yeah, Tucker has changed a lot for the better, for sure.
He had a segment, I think last year, where he was anti-POT legalization, and it felt forced.
I was like, you don't really believe this?
We should definitely legalize POT and get these nonviolent offenders out of jail.
I'm sure.
I wonder where he's at today on that.
Because if Trump came out right now and said, we're doing an executive order, nonviolent offenders will be reviewed, pardoned, released, full commute, you know, sentence commuted and expunged, landslide.
ian crossland
Yeah, easily.
Landslide.
Yes.
tim pool
But you know Biden's talking about that.
ian crossland
Oh, good for him.
tim pool
I don't think I need a good point.
ian crossland
Kamala Harris threw a bunch of people in jail for it.
tim pool
Yeah, but to be fair, what did Pence do?
ian crossland
Not much.
It's true.
tim pool
And he was in a smaller state than Kamala was.
ian crossland
Oh, what did he do?
tim pool
He was the governor of Indiana.
So he so the reason I bring him up is because to be completely honest, I should be able to be like actually hear things that but I don't know anything about Pence.
ian crossland
I wonder if that's why Donald Trump picked him because he's a kind of a silent.
tim pool
He's Indiana or something.
So he's been criticized for his stance on like homosexuality and stuff like that.
That's the most that I know.
And I know Kamala Harris been has been dragged heavily.
But it is fair to say, look, there was a post someone made about Joe Biden wanting to legalize pot and release nonviolent offenders, and he's had it for a while.
And I'm like, that's a great thing.
That is absolutely a good thing.
The only problem is I just don't think he's a real candidate.
Joe Biden could come out and say everything that Trump is saying, and I'd still say, That's a good analogy.
flashlight with dying batteries.
ian crossland
That's a good analogy.
tim pool
That's Joe Rogans.
Yeah, that was brilliant.
And so I actually was thinking about it and the way I described it was if I had to go
into a dark cave and I'm my choice between a flashlight with dying batteries and a torch
that could burn me, I got to take the torch, man.
The torch is gonna be consistent, it's gonna work, it's gonna be hot, it's gonna be dangerous, but I know it will keep the light going.
ian crossland
Yeah, the light's the most important thing in that situation.
tim pool
Yeah, and the flashlight's better tech.
It's, you know, you need the batteries, man.
If it's not gonna work, it's not gonna work.
ian crossland
What if you could have a dying flashlight or a gorilla with a headlight strapped to its forehead?
lydia smith
I'm seeing the comparison.
Yeah, I like it.
tim pool
Um, I... man.
lydia smith
I followed that gorilla.
I'm gonna go with the gorilla.
tim pool
He's the gorilla my friend.
ian crossland
Well, it's up to you.
lydia smith
He fights for you.
tim pool
He's gonna, like, kill me.
ian crossland
I've never been that close to a gorilla.
lydia smith
Right.
Well, hopefully... I think he'd rip you in half.
tim pool
Hopefully we're friends.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
We've grown up together and we're on an adventure together and he's leading the way.
ian crossland
He has your best interests in mind.
tim pool
Oh, excellent.
Then he'll fight off the Morlocks and the mole people and stuff.
unidentified
Yeah, dude.
ian crossland
Homie!
unidentified
Yeah, dude.
Homie gorilla.
tim pool
He could use that strength.
All right, let's go to Super Chats, because we always go a little long.
We got Laughing Man.
Laughing Man, that is an excellent avatar and an excellent name.
I love Ghost in the Shell.
He says, do you think we are seeing a doubling down of race theory from the left since Trump essentially cut off the dragon's head by taking it out of schools?
How do they counter this kind of attack from Trump?
Please share.
What is this?
No mail-in vote?
Change.org, no mail-in vote.
I don't know if they're doubling down.
I will say the media, because if Trump came out and was like, ladies and gentlemen, pizza is great, my favorite is deep dish from Chicago, they'd be like, pizza is bad!
Why is Trump talking about pizza?
What's he trying to say?
They would be on board with Pizzagate in two seconds if Trump slipped up.
Anything Trump says, they're against.
ian crossland
A question regarding this.
So critical race theory, Trump said it's out of government offices, government trainings.
So does that mean it's out of school, like public schools, which are government organizations?
tim pool
It's a good question.
I don't think so.
lydia smith
I don't think so.
tim pool
But they should absolutely have some kind of mandate from the Department of Education.
lydia smith
Well, this is something he was talking about.
He was talking about defunding the schools that teach the 1619 project, which I was like, yes, please get rid of all that.
ian crossland
That's part of Critical Race, the 1619 Project.
lydia smith
It's entirely Critical Race.
tim pool
It's revisionist history.
They argue that America truly began in the year 1619 with the first slave arriving.
And it's just total bunk.
ian crossland
In 1620 it was Plymouth Rock or something?
tim pool
It's just total bunk.
It's just nonsense.
And the lady who wrote it even said it wasn't really history.
lydia smith
Yeah, it was just how it could have been.
Literally like a parallel universe.
Alternate reality.
tim pool
Brandon Toms says, instead of people's attractiveness affecting their political leanings, what if people's political leanings affect their attractiveness?
Imagine going through life thinking everyone owes you something.
It's got to affect how you look over time.
That's actually a really good point, but a better example is, imagine if you take two people who are kind of doughy, right?
And you tell one person, it's your responsibility and you have to work hard.
And you tell the other person, it's not your fault.
It's because of all the drinks they made you eat.
How do you think those people would develop?
The person who was told it's their responsibility, they're gonna be like, I better start eating better and working out.
The other person's gonna be like, it's not my fault.
ian crossland
And I could see stress can make you ugly.
I mean, stress can make you contorted and grow in weird ways.
tim pool
Like Voldemort at the last Harry Potter scene.
ian crossland
All kinds of stress.
tim pool
When he was all shriveled up.
ian crossland
Totally, a stress-induced shrivel.
tim pool
Millennials love their Harry Potter references.
That's the joke.
ian crossland
I love those books.
tim pool
Oh, my mouse is getting stuck.
All right, what do we got here?
Gareth Green says, I thought saving money rather than spending it was a virtue.
Moreover, the idea of individual liberty is that everyone has the right to their own property, including money, so long as they haven't actually stolen it.
What was that?
ian crossland
Waving at Betsy.
lydia smith
Sorry, I didn't mean to be distracting.
tim pool
Oh, you were waving at the cat.
lydia smith
Yes, I was.
Not you.
tim pool
I was like, are you trying to alert me?
lydia smith
I was not.
No, it's very important that I wave to the cat.
I'm sorry, guys.
ian crossland
She loved it.
tim pool
Shadi Viceroy says, I wonder if y'all are noticing that Asians and white people are being forced to work harder to go to college, therefore making those folk more conservative.
Hmm.
I don't know.
Perhaps, perhaps.
I will say, the interesting thing about the non-POC space is that depending on who you ask, Asians are or aren't people of color.
ian crossland
That's a weird one.
tim pool
That's why it was interesting that it wasn't a whites-only space specifically.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
Because I'm wondering, like, does that mean an Asian person could go there?
ian crossland
Or an albino?
I have a good friend that's an African-American descent, but he's albino.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
tim pool
That's a great question.
How does that work?
ian crossland
He just looks super—Victor!
tim pool
Oh, I know, I know, I know.
But how does that— I don't know.
ian crossland
He doesn't look—he's, like, lighter-skinned than I am.
tim pool
But he does identify as black.
ian crossland
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
So it's interesting.
ian crossland
Which is a color, a shade, which is so bizarre.
I mean, man, this language.
unidentified
Stupid.
tim pool
Yeah, it's weird.
lydia smith
It's really stupid.
Reductive.
tim pool
Yeah.
No, I don't know, man.
Everything's weird and crazy.
Let's see.
Matthew Hammond says, well, OK, I guess this question was for Will, but Will didn't end up actually making it.
But he's asking that, do you agree that last night's rally in North Carolina was Trump's best ever?
lydia smith
Best ever?
I have heard that.
It was great.
tim pool
I'll tell you this, man.
I just heard Trump tell Woodward that he's drinking the Kool-Aid on White Privilege.
lydia smith
I'm here for that.
tim pool
And I'm like, ooh, I'm voting for this guy.
This is gonna be good.
You know, hey man, push back on that stuff.
Josh Greshner says, really enjoying the podcast, Tim.
Are you still taking guest recommendations?
Would love to see Maj Tour on your show sometime.
He's a great 2A advocate for 2A and founder of Black Guns Matter.
Oh yeah, for sure.
lydia smith
He's on my shortlist.
I don't think I can message him, but yeah, we'll figure something out.
tim pool
Yeah, that'd be cool.
I think I may have met him, actually, in Texas.
I'm not sure.
lydia smith
You gotta get a hold of him.
tim pool
Oh, well, we'll try and figure it out.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I was in Texas, and I met a guy who had a Black Guns Matter shirt, and he was, like, walking around with a gun.
lydia smith
Super chill.
tim pool
And then it was funny, because he walked up to some, like, right-wing militia-looking dudes, and they were, like, laughing and talking together.
And I was just like, you see, it's not about race.
It's just people, you know?
And if the guy's like, hey, man, that's a really cool gun or whatever, and they talk and they hang out and they were getting along, I can't stand racists, man.
I just want to hang out with people and have a smile and have a good time.
ian crossland
Alright.
tim pool
Sam G says, Timbo, thanks for debunking the French cemetery hoax by bringing it up.
Jason Lee pulled from BuzzFeed and his backfire FOIA request.
That being said, how credible overall would you consider anonymous sources?
Man, it's tough.
I typically don't like them.
But it's like, imagine... Here's the problem with anonymous sources.
What if I said an anonymous source confirmed to me that Donald Trump is a lizard person?
ian crossland
Who was it?
unidentified
You.
ian crossland
Well, that's my... Wait, I'm the anonymous source that's asking who the anonymous source was?
lydia smith
Mind twist!
tim pool
So the point is, here's the way I talk about anonymous sources.
You have...
A dude comes out with a report and he's like, breaking news, multiple sources confirm Donald Trump, you know, stole a bag of diamonds from a jewelry store.
And then people are like, who are these sources?
They are people who are very familiar with the incident and were very close to at the time of occurring.
And it turns out it's like a group of homeless guys who are sleeping in an alley behind the jewelry store.
They saw Trump leave with a bunch of jewels that he bought and paid for.
But then you say, well, these guys were there.
They saw Trump and we know Trump was there.
This is confirmed.
And then here's the best part.
So Trump didn't steal anything.
They just asserted it because they assumed it.
The journalist thinks it's true.
My favorite part.
Another news organization then says, we need to independently verify this is true.
So they go to the alley, see the homeless guys, and say, hey, did you tell the Washington Post that Trump's... They go, yeah, we did.
Confirmed!
We've confirmed it!
ian crossland
So they just want to know that they asked.
They don't even ask him if he did it again.
tim pool
They don't go to the store and ask the store owner, has anything been stolen?
They don't go to the police and say, have these things been stolen?
They say, this source claimed Donald Trump did a backflip off of the Eiffel Tower and landed perfectly in a superhero pose, shattering the earth beneath his feet.
And then the person who claimed that is like a crazy guy in an alley going, Donald Trump!
Back above the Eiffel Tower!
Superhero landing!
ian crossland
So when like the New York Times gets an anonymous source and then the Washington Post wants to confirm it, do they go to the New York Times and then they get special access?
tim pool
They try and track down the source.
So it's supposed to be, an independent verification would be like, if someone claimed Trump stole a bag of jewels, You'd hit up the jewelry store and say, was a bag of jewels stolen from your store by the president?
And if they say yes, you say, well, this is the guy telling me it literally happened.
He told them that.
But then you'd have to go to the police and get evidence.
So can you show me footage of it happening?
Can you show?
So you need like three sources to confirm.
The store owner, so it typically could refer to like multiple people.
But let's say you have the police chief saying, yeah, we definitely, we're tracking this store, we got the police report, here's what they said, here are the witnesses, and we've seen the evidence.
Or, you've got a homeless guy in the back alley, the store owner, and the cop who responded.
And so you ask to the homeless guy, what did you see?
I saw Donald Trump run out of this building carrying a bag of jewels.
Interesting.
You say, go to the store owner.
Yeah, Donald Trump came in here, smashed the glass, stole the bag of jewels.
Then you go to the cop.
I was sitting in front of my car, I saw Trump come in carrying a hammer, I hear a smash, and then the store owner starts screaming.
That sounds like you've got pretty good confirmation.
You'd still want to be very careful on a story like that about the president.
They are so... like, the bar is on the floor.
There's no limbo here, man.
You would have to, like, Ant-Man down to the quantum realm to try and limbo under that bar.
The standards are so low.
ian crossland
Is this because there's no punishment for getting it wrong?
tim pool
Definitely.
There's actually a reward for getting it wrong.
If I put out a story right now, if I was like, BREAKING NEWS EVERYONE, DONALD TRUMP DID A TRIPLE BACKFLIP OFF THE WHITE HOUSE, landed in a superhero pose, million views, I get all that money from ad revenue, and then I wait a day, and I go, we have a correction, 6 in the morning, we have a correction issue, Donald Trump didn't actually do the backflip, and we're sorry for the error.
I still got the views, I still made the money, I pay nothing back, and the retraction makes money too!
Oh my gosh.
They're incentivized to actually lie.
Whoa!
ian crossland
Or be flippant with their truth.
tim pool
The mainstream media is not in the business of providing you with truth.
They're in the business of getting your attention.
So they're better off letting bunk stories go through because they will make tons of money.
And then they just gotta apologize if it's wrong.
lydia smith
It's messed up.
tim pool
But the best part is when they were like, Donald Trump called World War I, you know, the World War I dead losers.
And I'm like, get out of here, man.
I don't believe that.
ian crossland
Yeah, you gotta be, you gotta be skeptical.
tim pool
You've got Trump Derangement Syndrome to believe that Donald Trump's sitting there looking at graves and going, what a bunch of losers!
Like that's a comic book villain version of Trump written by a 15 year old who was like, and then the orange man said the veterans were losers and suckers.
ian crossland
He's not a villain.
I think this is the point is he's not a comic book villain.
He's like a real guy doing his best.
I don't tell.
tim pool
Can you, can you picture any person, anyone ever looking at a grave and going, what a loser?
ian crossland
No.
No!
tim pool
Like, this worldview they have of the president is just nonsensical.
ian crossland
Did he actually say something about World War I death being losers?
Like, the side that lost the war or something?
tim pool
The story?
Well, I'm pretty sure we won World War I.
ian crossland
Yeah, the Allied forces won.
Technically nobody won that war.
unidentified
It was horrible.
tim pool
Right, exactly.
So the official story was that Trump cancelled his trip to the Ayn Marn Cemetery because he thought the veterans were losers and suckers and didn't want to get his hair wet.
It's been confirmed by numerous sources that's not true.
lydia smith
21 sources?
ian crossland
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Is that what it was?
lydia smith
Yep, at last count it was 21 different sources.
tim pool
John Bolton, who hates Trump, defended him, saying, that's not true, we cancelled this because of rain, I was there, I heard him saying it, and they were like, but maybe a different point Trump said it, and he goes, I can't prove a negative.
Maybe someone said something, but I was there and this didn't happen.
ian crossland
I have a really good friend who, a few years ago, was like, you know, it's okay to use dirty tactics to get him out of office.
And I was like, dude, that's what the Italian fascists did.
They decided to use violence because they thought it was so bad.
It was okay.
They justified.
And you saw where it led.
You can't do that.
tim pool
Did you see what Noam Chomsky said?
ian crossland
No, not really.
tim pool
He was asked about Antifa.
It's funny how they really don't like the guy anymore.
Because he's pro-free speech, and he's anti-violence.
ian crossland
He's great.
He's like a clean slate.
tim pool
He said, when we enter the arena of violence, the most brutal guy wins, and that is not us.
And I was like, here, here, good sir.
You do not want to see the true, like, brute of a whole bunch of, like, right-wing militias that are trained, that are hungry.
You know, what I was saying is that you gotta be careful there.
I think many of the militias we've seen throughout this country are really just overhyped by the press.
They're like, oh no, militias!
I'm like, it's a regular guy with a gun and a vest.
And, like, his friends and his community, and they're armed and they're defending their community, it's not that big of a deal.
There are extremist groups, however, who want any excuse to purge their ideological enemies.
ian crossland
It makes me nervous when they start running for office.
That's when I start wondering.
tim pool
Well, who's running for office?
ian crossland
Some girl was running for office that was, like, saying Black Lives Matter was a great thing and that we need to support it.
And, like, I don't know where it was.
I don't have the data in front of me.
tim pool
The left is entertaining extremists.
Like, there's a mayoral candidate in Portland who says she's overtly Antifa.
We've seen all the violence from these people.
ian crossland
That's when you've got to start paying attention.
tim pool
But the conservatives are getting rid of these people.
They're like, we don't want them around.
And so I'm like, if I have to have President Trump and a bunch of Republicans who I really disagree with, but at least we all agree on the fact this country exists, I have no choice.
You can't vote for Joe Biden because he's actually negotiating with people who have these insane views and entertain violence.
And then he's trying to come off like, but I'm tough on crime.
Yeah, you were, but now you're just like falling asleep.
unidentified
Yeah.
ian crossland
He's lame.
If you compare him to like seven years ago, he was so sharp back in 2011, 2012.
lydia smith
Yeah, who was it that was saying he's declined just over the last four years?
ian crossland
By like nine million people?
tim pool
I think he's chilled out.
ian crossland
Yeah, he has.
tim pool
I think he's like, he used to be very angry.
You know, he was like insulting people and mocking them.
He still does a little bit, but he's really chilled out.
ian crossland
When was that article from that he said the Kool-Aid?
Was that from a long time ago?
tim pool
I think that was recent, actually.
Yeah, that was from June.
But that's a private phone call.
ian crossland
These days, that's a long time.
tim pool
It's a private phone call.
ian crossland
Right.
tim pool
I'm talking about, like, he did a press conference recently where he was like, I'm not gonna insult this person, they'll get mad at me.
And I was like, hey, that was pretty good.
You know, you're figuring it out, you know?
Dude.
So here's a good one.
Evil Me says, nice job with your earlier video today, Tim.
You snuck in a rickroll.
lydia smith
Yes, I heard that.
tim pool
I enjoy your sense of humor and enjoy seeing it more often.
I said something like, you know, Trump supporters are never gonna, you know, let Trump down.
They're never gonna, you know, hurt him or something like that.
lydia smith
Yeah, it was great.
I was giggling.
tim pool
Just in the flow.
That was great.
But my point was still apt with the rickroll.
lydia smith
100% correct, yeah.
ian crossland
They're diehard.
I don't know if that's the right phrase.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, this is a sad one.
Cody Evans says, A person is smart.
People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals, and you know it.
lydia smith
You know it.
Agent K?
tim pool
Yeah, men in black.
ian crossland
They are wild animals.
tim pool
Less government is more, says Tim.
You're a liberal with American ideals.
I love it.
How do I go through your vetting process to be a normal person guest on your show?
I, like everyone, have a story and opinions.
Thank you.
We are not yet there.
So, uh, to the point where we're actually going to be trying to find, you know, some regular people.
You're afraid to talk about this, right?
ian crossland
No, not actually.
tim pool
We just want to get regular people on the show.
ian crossland
Yeah, dude.
tim pool
Like, you know, Bob, Bob, the local gardening guy.
ian crossland
Oh, we should get gardeners and stuff.
tim pool
Yeah, just like working class people, you know what I mean?
Because I'm, I'm, I'm particularly anti-elitist.
I hate the establishment elites.
I hate all that.
And I want to hear what, you know, look, there's a lot of regular people who are going to be like, I have no idea.
But there's going to be a lot of regular people who are going to say things like, look, my taxes because of this bill.
I was talking to a dude about the minimum wage law in New Jersey, and he was talking about how it devastated a whole bunch of businesses.
He's like, listen, man, we got a bunch of small businesses that don't make money.
Like they make just enough for everyone to get a little bit.
And the business owners make just above minimum wage, the same as the employees.
And then when they raise the minimum wage, all of a sudden now the business goes under immediately.
Because you've got to understand it's not just about paying those wages, it's about the taxes that go on top.
Because employers have to pay a tax too.
ian crossland
Oh, on top of the wage.
So the taxes go up as well.
tim pool
Yep.
Yep.
So a lot of people don't know this.
Employers pay a portion of the taxes for the employees to the government.
So the employer and the employee split a tax.
I forgot what the percentage is.
And so they were like, now these businesses are looking at increasing the cost of their wages, but the business isn't increasing.
It's an artificial increase over time.
And then they're looking at the taxes on top of how much they pay have to go up too.
So it's not just the wage hike, it's the wage plus tax.
And so that was really interesting.
It was a regular person.
ian crossland
What if the government covered the tax hike?
Or just subsidize it?
Like not impose it?
tim pool
But subsidize means they get they tax somebody for money to cover.
You see what I'm saying?
You're just basically saying that you tax something else.
ian crossland
Or what if they just don't add a tax to the minimum wage hike?
lydia smith
Now you're speaking my language.
tim pool
Well, it's because it's the employment tax.
That would be a major overhaul of the system, and at what point would they restore it?
ian crossland
Or just keep the employment tax at what it was for like $8.95 an hour and don't add for the next $7.50.
tim pool
It's not just that.
Imagine you have a restaurant where your margins are razor thin.
ian crossland
I know what you mean.
tim pool
And then all of a sudden your staff is getting a 10, 20, 30 percent increase.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
And you're like, we don't have that.
We barely break even.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Now your business is gone.
Interesting.
ian crossland
That's the danger of socializing businesses.
tim pool
Well, it's a danger of increasing the minimum wage, you know?
Let's see, Christian Robertson says, Forgot to say, but if you visit Norway, visit Storefjord in Northern and stay at my hotel for free.
I just love how you spread the truth and you deserve all the support you get.
That sounds fun, if I ever make it that way.
I was in Bergen, I think I was just in Bergen, it's the only place I've been to.
I made a little video about it, this is crazy, I made a video about the, it's called, I think it's called the Isdal Woman?
The Ice Woman of Norway.
lydia smith
Oh, I remember this.
And then we went to look back at it.
tim pool
And it was gone.
unidentified
What?
lydia smith
The video?
ian crossland
What happened?
tim pool
I didn't delete it.
I loved this video.
ian crossland
Nice woman.
tim pool
So in Bergen, Norway, there's a woman who was found like up in the mountains.
We went there and she was found dead.
And they said it was like a smoke inhalation or something.
It's been a while since I filmed this video.
And some theories are that she was an Israeli spy tracking down former Nazis.
ian crossland
Whoa.
tim pool
Yeah.
ian crossland
I think I've heard of that.
tim pool
Crazy story.
I made a video about it.
We interviewed local experts.
One day, someone was telling me that a bunch of my videos were gone.
And I was trying to look for the video to show someone, because I love that video.
It's really old.
Gone.
ian crossland
Dude, I saw a crazy video of an Israeli soldier beating an American woman, and she was screaming, I'm an American!
unidentified
Stop!
ian crossland
What are you doing?
I don't know.
That's weird.
I don't know.
Oh, that's a great question.
tim pool
Why did my video on the Isdal Woman disappear?
ian crossland
I don't know.
That's weird.
unidentified
Conspiracy theories abound.
ian crossland
I remember that.
lydia smith
Why do videos disappear at all?
Oh, that's a great question.
tim pool
I would like to know that.
ian crossland
Because YouTube's like, this offends me.
Get rid of it.
Because someone owns this private company.
tim pool
Because as we all know, that the headquarters for YouTube is on a mountain, it's like a
mountain cliffside, and there's like a winding road up to a giant, you know, Transylvanian
style Dracula castle, and they're sitting in big, evil, gothic looking chairs, and they're
Who will we ban today from YouTube?
ian crossland
And the Ice Woman's like, the man that made a video about me.
tim pool
No, they're looking at a monitor, and there's like a grandma holding a cat, and it's like Grandma's Cat Channel, and they're like, HAHAHA!
And then grandma's and then grandma's sitting at home with her cat and she's like I made just enough money this month to pay for my medical bills and then like YouTube goes oh The algorithm the AI algorithm that's on a rampage right now.
The Terminator is not gonna be walking around shooting people He's gonna be banning and censoring people dude.
ian crossland
That's how it that's how it started I don't know if you saw Terminator 1.5.
tim pool
You want to know what's crazier Terminator Terminator look We're not- we're never gonna see a world where robots march around killing people.
You wanna know what the world's gonna be?
ian crossland
A bunch of nanodrones going into your ears?
unidentified
Nope.
tim pool
It's gonna be you waking up being like, I- I- I- You're gonna look at your phone and you're gonna see stuff, and it's gonna perfectly predict and manipulate your behavior.
To where you're like, I need to go to the store and buy, you know, a- a- a shovel!
ian crossland
Oh, because they want to work synergistically with us.
The AI doesn't want to destroy us, it wants to use us.
tim pool
But, but, well, I don't, I think if you're talking about like a total sentient AI, I'm talking about, if we made an AI, it's not going to have emotions and feelings and goals like we do.
You know, have, have you seen the, the, you ever watched, you watched Doctor Who?
ian crossland
Only a couple episodes.
tim pool
There's one where there's, they, they go to this planet where there's a colony and there's no humans.
And it turns out the goal of the robots was to keep people happy.
But when someone died, everyone got sad.
And then the robots realized that if a sad person came in contact with a happy person, happy person became sad.
You know why?
Because they told the happy person someone died.
So they decided the only way to stop this was to kill the sad people.
unidentified
Uh-oh.
tim pool
But then it makes the other people sad!
ian crossland
Uh-oh.
tim pool
So they had to walk around with fake smiles like, I'm happy!
I'm happy!
ian crossland
Interesting.
tim pool
Yeah.
So the A.I.' 's, their goal's not gonna be like we imagine it.
Like, it's not gonna be a giant machine being like, I am your overlord of humanity.
Do as I say.
It's gonna be like, people like eating corn.
And then it's gonna shift our economy into a corn economy.
And you're not gonna realize it.
You're gonna be sitting one day in your house made of corn, with corn everywhere, and you're gonna be like, life is good.
ian crossland
Yeah, it's kind of where it's at now with Google Maps.
tim pool
Definitely.
Or just with Twitter and Facebook and the weird things we believe.
We're going to AI hell, man.
ian crossland
Dude, the ads that pop up totally brainwash us.
tim pool
Yes.
ian crossland
Whether we realize it or not.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
ian crossland
Be vigilant, homies.
tim pool
Here we go.
Seven Crevels says, check out Officer Tatum.
Talk about Breonna Taylor.
Just put out an update.
Truth isn't what everyone is saying.
Love your work and would love to be on the show.
So we're getting really close to relocating.
They've literally got to lay the cables for fiber optic.
Otherwise, we just don't have the internet to do it.
I'm going to be doing a trial run this weekend to see if I can get internet to work.
But it's risky because it's really crummy internet.
And like, we need a good consistent You know, feed to actually upload the live show.
We should have enough.
We'll give it a try.
I just don't want to risk it, you know?
Philippi says, Villains who twirl their mustache are easy to spot.
Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged.
Vigilance.
This is the price we must continually pay.
ian crossland
Vigilance.
The energy that you use.
Glucose.
tim pool
Sugar.
ian crossland
Yeah!
I have a book called Willpower and it all comes down to glucose.
tim pool
Really?
ian crossland
Yeah, they would do like studies where they do simple math problems and they would give a kid like lemonade before they did it or nothing, and the kids that did nothing would just lose interest.
tim pool
Glucose is fuel for the brain, man.
lydia smith
Yeah, energy.
tim pool
Brian Bourgeois says, we all need to band together and realize we all have more in common than we have different, Trump is not part of the club, and why they, MSM and establishment politicians, hate him.
Definitely.
ian crossland
Kudos.
tim pool
What is it?
Ref-rem?
New segregation is no accident.
It's an outgrowth of guilty desire for atonement via what they perceive the oppressed want.
They think it will satiate, but without forgiveness, first, there can't be peace.
Mike Carbone says, the more you pet the cat and tell me your ideas, the more devious I
think you guys are.
Yeah, Ian's got Betsy on his lap and he's like, I believe we should... She was making me.
unidentified
...tax the poor.
tim pool
Remember when Bloomberg, did you see Bloomberg said tax the poor?
lydia smith
No, what happened?
tim pool
He literally said the poor people are too stupid, we should tax the poor.
unidentified
What?
ian crossland
That guy is disillusioned.
tim pool
Dude.
ian crossland
He's distanced.
tim pool
Simius the first says the dictionary definition of a cult is a social group that is defined by its unusual religious spiritual or philosophical beliefs or by or by it can be or it can be defined as a common interest in particular personality interesting Here we go.
Tim, etymology of sin goes further back to ancient Greece.
It means to miss the mark.
It means an inability to be morally perfect.
It's not just about violating the religious creed.
lydia smith
Yeah, Jordan Peterton.
Jordan Peterson talks about that.
tim pool
Peterton.
ian crossland
That's a cool name.
lydia smith
I like that.
tim pool
Alright, let's see.
Where are we at?
We got a big old jump in Super Chats.
Politically Defiant says, Lydia, do you watch any faith-based animations?
Like Adventures in Odyssey, VeggieTales, or Nest productions like Swan Princess?
lydia smith
Yeah, I used to watch that stuff.
I had no choice, like with Parents' Night Out or whatever, we had to watch all of those.
tim pool
VeggieTales?
I didn't know that was religious.
lydia smith
No, VeggieTales is very religious.
It's very cute though.
tim pool
The Jim says, hey Tim, venting about living in California.
I fought to get out of debt and now I finally have a stable job and opportunities. Everything is going bad.
Torn on bailing or running for office. PS would still love to see you talk with Don from Plebian Media. I am not
familiar with them.
Nope, I gotta look them up.
ian crossland
Run for office.
Do it.
Make a difference.
tim pool
Because I'll tell you what, it was basically what Billy Prempeh was saying when he was here.
He's a conservative running in North Jersey where it's deep blue.
He's basically saying if the Republicans ignore these deep blue areas there will never be a change.
So you might not win, but you need to keep talking to people, shaking hands and, you know, challenging the establishment.
ian crossland
It's scary and almost painful to speak the truth in front of people that don't agree with you because of the blowback.
But like, if you don't do it, I mean, this is the great human conundrum.
We have to speak truth to power, which can be, you know, it can be... It's hard.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
You have to rise to the occasion.
ian crossland
But it's worth it.
I think if we don't do it, we kind of see what happens, you know?
lydia smith
Yeah, absolutely.
ian crossland
In the metaphor of what's going on right now.
tim pool
So someone asks, let's see, Mandalore says, were there plans to have Viva Frey on?
lydia smith
There are, in fact, plans to have him on.
Yeah, he's awesome.
So they're a little bit on hold because of the quarantine.
He can't really cross the border easily.
tim pool
Oh, he's in Canada.
lydia smith
Yeah, he is in Canada.
tim pool
Bummer.
lydia smith
Poor guy.
But we are going to get him on.
That is just up in the air right now.
tim pool
Cool.
Ty991 says, Tim, you have no idea.
You don't see the real right-wing militias.
They don't advertise.
These are dudes who train every day and run, shoot houses.
If they actually come out, they're stacking up for high.
Interesting.
Alright, we got one more.
We got one more.
CoinFlipWolf says, seriously, how do people not think these rioters are terrorists?
Have we gotten so far into 1984 that people can't see what's right in front of them?
Yeah, when they go to houses, when they jump on top of them, when they do the fist in front of your face and demand you salute, when they threaten to start fires.
This is the crazy thing, like, they've been starting fires all throughout Oregon, and now there's wildfires everywhere.
Dude.
Not smart.
ian crossland
That's domestic.
I think when they went to the restaurant.
tim pool
I'm not saying they started the fire.
Right, right, right.
ian crossland
That was like domestic terrorism in my view.
lydia smith
That's politically motivated.
ian crossland
That's what we have Homeland Security for.
That's the real reason we have it.
tim pool
Look at you, you hippie.
ian crossland
No!
I value authority now on another level.
Like I used to be.
lydia smith
No, it's different.
ian crossland
Let him go.
I had a guild in Ultima Online.
Did you guys ever play Ultima Online?
tim pool
No.
I vaguely remember it, though.
ian crossland
My guild didn't want to go to war.
There's a guild that wanted to go to war with my guild.
I was like, we're a peace guild, so I wouldn't do it.
And this other guild kept killing off our members, and I wouldn't go fight back.
And all my people started leaving because I wouldn't fight back.
And after that, I realized there is a value to stamping your fist down.
tim pool
What have you done?
ian crossland
I was gonna spin it!
tim pool
You broke the UFO.
ian crossland
And clamping down with authority.
There's just a value to that that's like, if you don't do it, then everything will fall apart.
tim pool
You know, when I play Civilization, I never declare war on other countries.
I mind my own business.
But I assure you, you come to my shores, I will crush you.
unidentified
Yes.
ian crossland
But how far do you go?
Do you take all of their land?
tim pool
It depends on how egregious their disrespect is.
In some circumstances, I'll just raise the city.
I don't want your cities.
I'll build my civilization.
I always very much will prioritize research to build up power, weapons, and better forces.
And then when they start acting a fool, You know, at first, I'll just say, hey, hey.
But if they keep pushing, I'll just crush their capital.
You know, you can't raise the capital, though.
But I'll just, like, wipe out some of their cities, and be like, now I'm gonna go back and mind my own business, and you stay away from me.
It doesn't bode well, because I guess the AI for civilization doesn't understand these complex political, you know, things.
Like, everyone gets mad at you, and they're like, you killed people.
ian crossland
Oh, if you take it too far, yeah.
tim pool
They invaded my country and tried stealing one of my cities, so I went back and I told them to F off.
ian crossland
Your response was, this is kind of like the real world with total war, like if there's an invasion or like a bomber bombs a city, you don't nuke the capital as a response because you don't take total, you have a equal response.
And so the game kind of has that built in.
But I do the same, I'll take their entire country.
If they mess with me, I'll take over every city of theirs, assimilate.
tim pool
You assimilate, you declare war.
Now you're a peaceful country.
ian crossland
You made the final mistake.
tim pool
And then you end up winning because everyone attacked you.
Anyway, we're going to wrap it up.
We're a little bit over.
Thanks again, everybody.
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ian crossland
Basically everywhere.
tim pool
Everywhere.
And you can follow at Sour Patch Lids.
That's Sour Patch L-Y-D-S on Twitter and Parler.
We will be back tomorrow.
unidentified
What's tomorrow?
tim pool
Thursday?
lydia smith
Tomorrow's Thursday.
tim pool
We'll be back tomorrow.
So we are scheduled to have Kimberly Klasek on Friday.
I'm hoping that, you know, a lot of the COVID has really made it made it really, really difficult for a lot of people.
And I'm hoping that because we originally had Kimberly scheduled for last week, but she had to cancel.
So I hope everything goes smoothly.
lydia smith
I hope so, too.
tim pool
And she'll be on Friday.
ian crossland
Hey, why don't you smash the like button while you're at it and subscribe to this channel?
tim pool
That is a good point.
ian crossland
You're going to get some mo.
tim pool
And you can't spin the UFO because you pounded the table.
ian crossland
But I'm going to try.
unidentified
All right.
lydia smith
It's not going to work.
tim pool
We've gotta go feed the cats, everybody.
Thanks for hanging out.
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