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June 18, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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TimcastIRL - Rumors That Atlanta Cops REFUSE To Answer Calls As Cop Charged With MURDER
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unidentified
How's it going, everybody?
tim pool
Welcome to the TimCast IRL podcast.
I'm Tim Poole, hanging out with some of my friends.
adam crigler
Oh, I'm your friend.
unidentified
You are, indeed.
adam crigler
That's so nice.
tim pool
That's Adam.
He's not going to introduce himself.
adam crigler
I'm Adam.
I wanted you to introduce me.
It was a trick.
It worked.
tim pool
And we also have the lovely Lady Lydia.
lydia smith
Sour Patch Lids.
Thank you.
I like that introduction.
tim pool
Yep, that's our fancy introduction.
Boy, is the world to end yet.
I feel like, you know, as per usual, the simulation's broken.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
They charged the cop in Atlanta in the Rayshard Brooks case with felony murder.
adam crigler
I can't believe that.
tim pool
And a collective brick was... Pooped.
unidentified
Pooped?
adam crigler
Yeah.
lydia smith
I guess.
tim pool
I guess.
adam crigler
It's nicely played.
tim pool
Yeah, because no one but, like, how do you, how do you get murder on this?
Has anybody, have you watched the video?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And they apparently, in like a press release, they said something like there was no aggressive action against the police.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
These dudes are literally beating, this guy's literally beating up these cops.
adam crigler
Yeah, did they not see the video themselves?
tim pool
They're lying.
adam crigler
It seems like they didn't watch the video.
tim pool
This is a really, really crazy story and there's rumors going around right now that the police are refusing to answer calls or walking off the job.
Rumors.
Can't confirm it yet.
We'll see what happens.
We're hearing a lot of, my friend just called me and said this.
And I think there's a lot of people online who want that to be true.
So they want to encourage it and like, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's happening, it's happening.
But I'll tell you what, man.
Every single cop in Atlanta should walk out right now.
adam crigler
I wouldn't blame them at all.
tim pool
But you know why I say that?
Not at all.
You're seeing conservatives say things like, blue flu, go on strike.
And I'm like, alright, I hear you.
And then you're seeing the left go, defund the police, disband them, and abolish the departments.
I'm like, okay, looks like everyone's in agreement.
Bye bye cops, time to go.
You either got to stand up for yourself and walk out, or they want you to leave anyway.
Hey, we got bipartisan approval on this one.
It's time for the cops to walk out.
adam crigler
I don't want this to happen at all.
I don't want this to happen.
I really, I appreciate you cops.
You guys, there's law and order in the land for a reason and they're there to, if they're not there, we see what's going to happen.
tim pool
It's crazy.
I'll tell you what though, I got a lot of problems with a lot of cops right now, especially after the COVID stuff and the, like in Jersey near us, the unconstitutional enforcement against small business owners.
So I'll tell you what, like we were saying this before, a lot of cops lost a lot of goodwill from people.
That's true.
when they were like, there's a meme going around where it says something like,
isn't it strange that if you don't break the law, the cops leave you alone?
It's like, it's really funny that people are sharing that meme because it was like a month ago
that some conservative dude tried opening a gym and the cops showed up and literally arrested a guy.
adam crigler
I went, I drove down the street, what, four days, three days ago or something like that.
And five sheriff cars were, lights were flashing.
I'm like, oh, what is going on here?
I'm looking.
And it was like a chop shop.
unidentified
What?
adam crigler
And it was like the owner opened and was just working on bikes.
lydia smith
Seriously?
adam crigler
It was by himself.
tim pool
Wow.
adam crigler
Just by himself.
I was like, what?
Okay.
That's weird.
tim pool
So I'll tell you what, it does look like cops are starting to get a little bit of that goodwill back.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Especially because the Atlanta department's gone so over the top.
But we're gonna go through this and the rumors and we'll talk about cops walking out, but it looks like tonight, the purge, Atlanta.
adam crigler
Oh man.
tim pool
If the cops are really walking off the job.
adam crigler
I hope you're wrong though.
tim pool
I know, I know.
We don't know for sure.
I am being a little facetious, I guess.
But, hey man, if it were me... Think about this, man.
You have a guy steal your lethal weapon, fire it at you, and they tell you that's felony murder for defending yourself?
What cop in their right mind would be like, I'm gonna keep doing this job!
adam crigler
You're right.
tim pool
There's a lot of people calling out cops right now and saying like, you better, you better.
But we also got larger, larger scale stories.
Apparently China's trying to go to war with India.
But you were reading a lot about this too, so.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
My thoughts on the matter is, what if, and this is just fun speculation, everything we're seeing from the riots in the streets to what China's doing is the pieces being lined up for an international war.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
Because a part of what's going on with China is water, right?
adam crigler
Well, that's something that I think.
I think that's part of it.
We don't have any confirmation of that.
tim pool
Somebody wrote about it.
adam crigler
Oh, really?
tim pool
Yeah, some blurb was mentioning the water control.
I think the New York Times mentioned it.
adam crigler
This is what I think that is about, though, because of where it is.
There are some people trying to say, no, that's not the case.
Tibet doesn't have water.
And I'm like, yeah, but that's not where the fighting is going on.
It's further west.
So, I mean, and it's closer to the Pakistan-Indian border, which is have water rights coming from those mountains.
So if China were to go into the mountains and take that water source, I mean, that's some serious change.
tim pool
So here's what I was thinking, right?
You also have the mass exodus from the cities.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And you have all these rides breaking out.
And what do we get?
Well, our cities are like, what, half our population.
And that means if we went to war, they could easily just taint our water supplies in our big cities and disable half the country, half our economy.
adam crigler
Or hack it somehow, hack the water sources.
tim pool
Yes, the water rough.
adam crigler
Just, you know, make it back.
tim pool
So now take a look at this.
adam crigler
And blow the pipes or whatever.
tim pool
Liberals are fleeing big cities, we're spreading out, so it's harder to hit the economy, and they're buying guns.
Sounds like war, maybe?
adam crigler
So this is all some weird, uh, subversive way for us to just prep for war?
tim pool
No, I don't believe that.
I think it's an interesting speculation.
If you think about what the result will be if a war does break out, it'll be advantageous for us.
In a certain respect.
There's pros and cons.
The cons would be that we're fighting each other.
But if that resolves because of a common enemy, then we're better off.
But we do have another story!
I put up a tweet, a poll.
Nearly 77,000 people answered, in the affirmative, that Donald Trump should pardon every non-violent marijuana offense.
That's legit.
Like 27 said, not every, but some.
And then about 53% said, all of them.
And we'll talk about this in the war on drugs.
I've seen a lot of Trump supporters say Trump should just do it.
adam crigler
Yeah, he should.
I agree.
tim pool
He'd win in a landslide.
He would crush it.
adam crigler
People are already saying it's going to be a landslide, but if he made that move, it's like, wow.
tim pool
Could you imagine, like, we're releasing everybody for pot.
It's fine.
Free to go.
adam crigler
Pot's illegal.
tim pool
So he can't legalize it himself, but he can instruct federal law enforcement to stop enforcing it.
adam crigler
Oh, wow.
tim pool
He could do it.
adam crigler
Well, that would be huge.
lydia smith
That'd be great.
adam crigler
Because that's a big thing of why a lot of minorities are getting in trouble with cops is because of that.
And it's stupid.
It's like, stop.
tim pool
Shut her down.
lydia smith
Yeah.
adam crigler
Shut her down.
tim pool
But I mean, it's also dumb that people are being arrested for pot anyway.
adam crigler
I agree.
tim pool
I think it's time to legalize, decriminalize, regulate tax control.
adam crigler
Yeah, tax it.
tim pool
And it'll shut down the cartels in a lot of ways.
adam crigler
You'll make the money, government.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
You'll be the one making the money.
tim pool
No, but we're there.
We're there.
How many states have recreational pot?
adam crigler
I know.
Colorado.
Are from Colorado.
lydia smith
Yeah, we've had it.
adam crigler
How much money did you make the first year?
lydia smith
We made a ton of money, and technically it was supposed to fix our potholes, ironically enough.
Didn't really fix the potholes, but I understand that they spent it on schools.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's what I heard, that they dumped it right into schools, which is dope!
Put it back into schools!
tim pool
I'm just gonna do a quick shout-out for Phil from All That Remains, because I saw his tweet, and it's a good tweet.
He said, I'm sorry, but... He's like, I gotta say it.
I don't trust the government to fix my potholes.
I'm not gonna trust them to take a person's life for the death penalty.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's fair.
tim pool
He was like, the death penalty is wrong because... And I'm like, that's actually a really good way of putting it.
lydia smith
They are totally incompetent.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
If they can't fix the potholes, the last thing I wanna do is for them to tell me who's worthy of death.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
But anyway, that was an aside.
I just thought it was a great tweet I wanted to mention.
But how do we do this?
Let's talk about what's going on in Atlanta.
adam crigler
But before we do... Before we do.
Smash that like button!
tim pool
That's right, that's right.
You've got to smash the... I forgot to do the normal... Yeah, man, what are you doing?
Well, you've got to smash the like button.
Smash it!
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adam crigler
Smash!
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tim pool
Subscribe.
Smash the subscribe button!
unidentified
Yeah!
tim pool
But also, feel free to get in your superchats.
Now, we can't read every single superchat, but if you want to, you know, support the channel, the superchats support the channel, and we will read as many as we can.
lydia smith
We do our best.
tim pool
We do our best, yeah.
adam crigler
We do what we can.
tim pool
With that being said, check this story out.
This, I couldn't believe when I heard it.
So I recorded a segment earlier, alright?
I recorded a segment where I was like, this dude, was his name Rolf?
Officer Rolf, I think?
Was heard on the body camera saying, keep breathing, keep breathing, stay with me.
Trying to save this brooks guy's life.
And I'm like, see he clearly didn't want to kill this guy.
And then you look at the other footage and another breaking story.
The other footage showing that the guy aimed the taser at him.
The other story was that Rayshard was on probation and would go back to prison if he got arrested.
And so that's why he fought them.
That's why he ran.
And so here I am making this segment where I'm like, see dude, look, this cop, it looks like it's gonna be clean.
He's gonna get maybe some kind of administrative duty while he undergoes psych or something like that.
I don't know how it works.
Nah.
I'm like, I'm sitting down and I hear, oh, they charged that guy with a felony.
And I was like, what?
No way, dude.
adam crigler
Yeah, I was surprised also.
tim pool
This is not George Floyd.
This is a guy who stole a taser from a cop after beating two cops in a fight, who was drunk.
adam crigler
Getting arrested for his second DUI.
tim pool
Found in his car, drunk, engine running, in a drive-thru lane,
and they calmly were like, you know, put your hands behind your back.
The dude beat up the two cops, grabbed his taser, ran for it, fired at him.
And then the cop fired a couple shots and then tried to save his life.
And they said, death penalty.
adam crigler
That's insane.
tim pool
I kid you not.
adam crigler
Death penalty?
tim pool
He's facing the death penalty.
adam crigler
Are you serious?
tim pool
Now whether or not they actually try and go for it, the charges this guy got could get him the death penalty or life in prison.
lydia smith
Threw the book at him.
tim pool
They more than threw the book at him.
They pinned him down and beat him with a sack of books.
This is like, this is crazy.
Check this out, this is from CBS.
adam crigler
No wonder cops are quitting.
tim pool
Yeah, dude.
adam crigler
No wonder.
I don't blame them.
tim pool
But listen, this is what the far left wants.
They're saying straight up, abolish the police.
Hey, if we can't get them to abolish it, we'll just make all the cops quit.
Think about what happens after that.
Morality policing?
I'm telling you, man.
When New York said, we are not going to criminally charge the Black Lives Matter protesters, but if you go to church, we're coming for you.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They welded the gates shut of a Jewish playground.
I said, this is freaky.
adam crigler
It is.
tim pool
This is when the government supports an ideology and oppresses people.
Then we heard in Fort Worth, they're like, the people who have been arrested for rioting charges will have their charges dropped.
Tucker Carlson comes out and he's like, and now they're going to drop the charges.
Fort Worth is just a statement saying, that's not true, Tucker Carlson's lying.
I'm like, wait, what?
adam crigler
Really?
tim pool
Yeah.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
We specifically meant rioting.
The specific word.
adam crigler
Wow.
tim pool
And even NPR reported this.
I warned this.
Everything is moving at lightning speed, man.
adam crigler
Yeah, it's crazy.
tim pool
When did I say it?
You watch my videos?
When did I say it?
That eventually you will end up with them throwing people to Antifa.
That someone will be accused of something and they'll just say, well, it's easier to deal with throwing this one person under the bus than dealing with the mob.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
And here we are.
So, when they showed up to Cassandra's house, for those who aren't familiar, Cassandra Fairbanks, conservative journalist, they showed up to her house, banging on her windows, firing fireworks, I said, it was funny because I was like, at a certain point, they'll dox you, they dox Cassandra, and after that I'm like, well, you know, at some point someone will show up at her house, we don't know when that'll happen, it was that day.
Then they had this guy in Minnesota, Chauvin, and they hand him over to Keith Ellison, who's Antifa, whose kid is, and I'm like, you see?
Now this guy is getting charged, and they're giving him to this Antifa-aligned guy, who's gonna overcharge him, because he wants, I don't know what he wants.
lydia smith
I think he wants riots, too.
tim pool
Maybe.
Yeah, overcharging, the guy gets off and they say, how did he get, you know, acquitted because you overcharged?
But I did not expect that in the span of like a week or two, they would be in Atlanta, taking a guy who had, you know, for the most part, a regrettable and unfortunate but clean, you know, use of force, and put him in the position where he could face the death penalty.
That is them saying straight up, we don't care about the law, we don't care about what's written down, we don't care about the Constitution, if there's a mob and they're mad, we will burn you.
Check this story out from CBS.
FIRED ATLANTA OFFICER CHARGED WITH MURDER IN RAYSHARD BROOKS SHOOTING.
THE FORMER ATLANTA POLICE OFFICER WHO FATALLY SHOT A BLACK MAN AS HE RAN AWAY WITH THE OFFICER'S TASER, COMMA, AND FIRED IT AT HIM, LAST WEEK, HAS BEEN CHARGED WITH MURDER.
FULTON COUNTY DISTRICT ATTORNEY PAUL HOWARD ANNOUNCED WEDNESDAY.
GARRETT ROLFE, WHO WAS FIRED AFTER THE KILLING OF 27-YEAR-OLD RAYSHARD BROOKS, FACES 11 CRIMINAL CHARGES INCLUDING FELONY MURDER.
IF CONVICTED OF THE MURDER CHARGE, ROLFE COULD FACE THE DEATH PENALTY OR LIFE IN PRISON WITHOUT PAROLE.
Howard, speaking to reporters Wednesday, said prosecutors reviewed eight videos of the shooting and spoke with ten witnesses and determined that Brooks did not pose an immediate threat of death or serious physical injury to the officers.
The district attorney said the officers failed to provide timely medical attention to Brooks for two minutes after he was shot, and that Rolfe kicked Brooks as he was lying on the ground, fighting for his life.
So, wait a minute.
So they're turning on each other now?
Brosnan faces three charges, including aggravated assault for standing or stepping on Brooks'
unidentified
Yup.
tim pool
shoulder after he was shot, Howard said.
Brosnan had agreed to become a cooperating witness for the state and testify against
Rolfe.
Wow, dude.
unidentified
Wow, wow, wow.
adam crigler
There's no loyalty.
So, wait a minute.
So, they're turning on each other now?
tim pool
Yep.
Welcome to the purge, baby.
Look, they're accusing this guy of kicking him, and there's a photo that came out where his leg is bent, and I'm like, come on, show me a video footage of this.
Show me video footage proving he kicked the guy when he was down.
adam crigler
Yeah, where's the proof?
lydia smith
Seriously?
tim pool
I don't buy that.
I watched that interaction on the body camera footage, and the officer was not overly aggressive.
He was very calm, and he was like, you wanna do breathalyzer, man?
Yes or no question?
Alright, let's do breathalyzer.
The guy says yes.
Brooke says yes.
And then he's like, can you turn around for me so I can cuff you?
And then the guy fights him.
How do you take, watch that footage, and then all of a sudden this Rolf guy becomes this vicious, snarling monster.
Now I'm going to kick him while he's down!
And his friend comes up and starts stepping on his shoulder?
I don't buy it.
I don't buy it one bit.
adam crigler
I don't either.
tim pool
Look at this.
Brosnan agreed to become... Wow, dude.
The second officer at the scene has agreed to become a witness for the state and testify against Rolf.
This is insane, man.
Howard said, adding that prosecutors are recommending a bond of $50,000 in exchange for his cooperation.
They're bribing the guy.
adam crigler
Wow.
tim pool
The district attorney said, dude, I'm sorry.
Atlanta is a lawless state.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
You want to talk about the Chaz?
You want to talk about the chop?
Atlanta is lawless.
The cop is basically being threatened.
If you don't turn on your buddy, we're going to, we're going to increase your bond to a number you can't pay.
adam crigler
Yeah, it's because they know that if they roll the video footage that they have, a judge will be like, how is this murder?
How?
It doesn't make any sense.
But if they have this guy going, oh, he definitely wanted to kill him.
tim pool
He definitely did it.
It's not just that.
Apparently felony murder, and I'm hearing this from a lawyer on Twitter, so for all I know it's wrong, but what some people have said is, felony murder is reserved for in the commission of a felony, you kill someone.
What crime was this officer committing by trying to arrest a guy who was in his car drunk, engine running, in a drive-thru lane?
This is open and shut DUI.
adam crigler
Yup.
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
He tried to, okay, I'll tell you what, right now.
adam crigler
You're going to jail, dude.
unidentified
DUI.
adam crigler
You can kill somebody.
You're driving a death machine.
tim pool
This is crazy, dude.
adam crigler
Very easy to kill somebody while driving.
tim pool
Look at this.
The DA said Brosnan is one of the first officers in Fulton County to testify against someone in his own department.
adam crigler
I don't believe that.
I don't think I believe that.
I think that's fake.
tim pool
That they're lying, that he's actually going to be a witness?
adam crigler
Yeah, I don't think that's real.
I just can't.
I don't believe it.
unidentified
Why?
adam crigler
I think it's fake.
Because they're... I mean, cops protect their own.
They're like a family.
tim pool
It's true, but think about what's going on right now.
You get a guy who walks up to you and says, I know you did nothing wrong.
We don't care.
We're going to execute you.
The state will execute you.
Now play ball or die.
And the guy went, I'll do whatever you say, please.
Please, I'll do whatever you say.
This is insane, dude.
There is no law at this point.
adam crigler
You know what this feels like?
tim pool
If you can give a cop death penalty because someone stole his weapon and fired it at him, what does it feel like?
adam crigler
Execute Order 66.
tim pool
Just purge the whole system.
adam crigler
Yes.
I kind of said it as a joke earlier on Twitter.
But it feels like it more and more, man.
tim pool
I'm not going to compare the police to the Jedi.
adam crigler
Well, they kind of were.
They kind of policed the whole universe.
tim pool
That's true.
I've seen some analogies about an unappointed council of people with supreme law authority to go around on military excursions with powerful weapons.
And special training.
unidentified
It's like, you know, maybe they were... It's Order 66, man.
tim pool
Purge the cops.
adam crigler
I mean, but it's everything, though.
It's not just cops.
It's Aunt Jemima.
Uncle Ben.
tim pool
Well, hold on, hold on.
adam crigler
It's Magic the Gathering.
tim pool
Aunt Jemima, I'm actually... It's our history.
adam crigler
It's all this stuff.
They're purging everything.
Order 66 has... This is just one piece of it.
They're burning the whole system down.
That's what Order 66 was.
tim pool
Well, it was killing all the Jedi.
adam crigler
Which is burning the whole system down to take over.
tim pool
Sure, but let's not compare Aunt Jemima to the Founding Fathers.
I made that joke earlier and it didn't work because the left doesn't understand the difference between Aunt Jemima and Thomas Jefferson.
adam crigler
Look, they're both being cancelled.
They're not the same, sure, but they're being cancelled.
It's the cancel culture.
It's running rampant.
tim pool
It's crazy.
It's true, but I gotta admit, I'm fine with the Aunt Jemima thing.
adam crigler
What, you're fine with what?
She was awesome.
tim pool
Aunt Jemima's literally a minstrel show character.
adam crigler
But she went from being the actual person, went from being a slave, to being freed, to then being a model for a major brand.
But she was doing it.
It was her recipe that they bought.
tim pool
No it wasn't.
adam crigler
Are you sure?
tim pool
Absolutely.
adam crigler
That's what I've been reading.
tim pool
It was two guys who created a quick rising flower that needed a brand they could sell.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
And so they used the old minstrel song, Old Aunt Jemima.
adam crigler
So she wasn't a part of it.
tim pool
No, she was a model.
They got a model to... That's what I read.
Fine, sure, whatever.
But here's the point, man.
Look, if a company says, this is a marketing technique and it's not working anymore, I don't care.
If they're like, we literally have the marshmallow guy giving the thumbs up and a wink because we want people to buy this.
If they're like, nobody wants to buy this mascot of Aunt Jemima, I don't care.
Uncle Ben either.
adam crigler
So if your spokesperson is a person of color, your product isn't good enough.
So there's no more spokespeople for anything.
If you're a person of color, it's racist.
If you're white, it's racist.
It doesn't matter what it is, they're canceling everything.
That's my point.
tim pool
If a company doesn't want to use a mascot, I don't care.
If someone wants to tear down a statue of Thomas Jefferson, I care.
It's a big difference.
Oh, sure.
So, what if I came out and was like, you know, we gotta get rid of the UFO because, you know, some people, you know, we just think it's kind of a bad representation.
Like, who cares?
adam crigler
Try it.
unidentified
Whatever.
adam crigler
Try it.
unidentified
Yeah, try it.
lydia smith
Seriously.
tim pool
I'll fight you.
adam crigler
Cancel the UFO.
tim pool
I'll fight you.
I'll fight you.
All right, but let's bring it back.
We got more to talk about with this cop here, right?
adam crigler
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Check this out.
Blue Flu Mike Cernovich tweets, if you're an Atlanta police officer who shows up for work, you are a coward who co-signed that press conference.
You know, I gotta say, I'll tell you what.
I agree.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
I agree.
We cannot function as a society if someone is asked to do their job and then they're facing the death penalty because of it.
adam crigler
I'll tell you what, I wouldn't want to be in Atlanta right now.
tim pool
Oh, no.
lydia smith
I wouldn't either.
tim pool
But I'll tell you what, man.
What are the locals gonna do?
Are the locals gonna riot?
Nope.
adam crigler
They're probably leaving.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
They're probably going out to their family's place out in the country, somewhere, anywhere.
tim pool
The criminals are getting excited.
adam crigler
Yeah, they're cracking their knuckles.
They're like salivating.
tim pool
It's gonna be another run on the businesses downtown, huh?
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
No cops?
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
I wouldn't be surprised if they're going out already.
adam crigler
I wouldn't be surprised, you're right.
tim pool
Wow, man, how insane.
adam crigler
That's what people are saying, is that they're not responding to calls.
tim pool
Well, so here's some of the rumors, right?
We got Steve Deese.
adam crigler
Yeah, here we go.
tim pool
He said, just got this email from an Atlanta police officer.
Atlanta police officers are refusing to answer the radio and walking off the job.
The county can go screw themselves.
If you want a society without police, we'll give you one.
Let it burn.
unidentified
Oh, man.
tim pool
The let it burn thing gives me pause.
I don't know.
But hey, I'm not going to challenge the integrity of DC.
adam crigler
I mean, it sounds accurate, though, because when they leave, it's going to burn.
lydia smith
That's what they wanted.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
Check this one out from Wayne Dupree.
Quote.
Atlanta police officers are refusing to answer the radio and walking off the job.
Oh, it's the same email.
A quote from ATL police officers.
Well, there you have it.
So it seems like it's the same source.
adam crigler
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Now, I haven't seen a whole lot.
adam crigler
I haven't either.
I was looking for more sources on this, but it seems to be happening now.
tim pool
You're not gonna get a breaking news story just yet.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
Because the journalists gotta verify, confirm, and figure things out.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
Scuttlebutt and rumors, you'll start getting.
lydia smith
I'd wait for footage, honestly.
tim pool
I'd wait for a cop to come out and be like, yo, we out.
adam crigler
But am I surprised at seeing this?
Not in the slightest.
If I was a cop in Atlanta, I would be afraid for my life.
tim pool
I don't care if you're a cop.
I don't care if you're a waiter.
I don't care if you're a lawyer or a janitor.
If your industry is being threatened unjustly, stand up for yourself.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
Listen, man.
I've had cops, that mean it's going around.
It's like, have you ever noticed if you haven't done anything illegal then the police leave you alone?
I'm like, yeah, right.
adam crigler
Yeah, right.
tim pool
When I was sitting in my apartment in Chicago and the cops kicked my door and at gunpoint came to me and my three friends while we were playing GTA, what did we do?
We did nothing illegal.
They were looking for somebody else.
And they broke all the laws, nothing happened about it.
When I had a cop pull me over and lie about me speeding, what did I do illegal?
Nothing.
But I'll tell you what, my complaints over having negative experience with the cops, my complaints over the cops who are enforcing unconstitutional decrees from their governors, is irrelevant to the conversation about whether or not we need police.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
Police reform.
Hey, maybe cops shouldn't be enforcing these unconstitutional orders and we need to have a conversation about that.
Hey, maybe there are bad cops that sometimes do bad things and it happens more often than you realize.
We should have some reform.
There's been a big conversation about non-police first responders.
That's exactly what I was talking about before.
Some kind of civil guard or community response.
You know, division that can handle fines, petty offenses, parking tickets, and then the cops can, you know, spend
their time dealing with more serious offenders and things like that.
There's a complicated conversation around that, but we're actually having a real conversation about the reform.
My negative experiences with police, I've got like one or two positive experiences and then like seven or eight
negative ones.
adam crigler
Yeah, I've got a few negative experiences myself, but I don't care.
I mean, I've dealt with people that have scared me, you know.
I was on the subway and some dude pulled a knife on me because I was wearing new shoes.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's so weird.
adam crigler
And he looked at me and he was like, I'll cut you.
And I was like, I was just sitting there.
I was not talking.
I didn't even notice him.
I noticed the blade in his hand.
And then I looked up and he was Deadlocked with me, and I'm like what's going on here, and you know what he did He looked me right in the eye, and he stepped on my shoe the new shoe, and I was like wow okay, I Had what am I gonna?
tim pool
Do you know fight you know, but I would have I don't know I don't know what I would have done, but it's crazy look man people are there's crazy people out there I've had I've had bad experience with cops, but I think it this way I When the cops kicked my door in, without a warrant, and came into my apartment with me and my friends, with their guns drawn, saying, they were asking for some guy, and we're like, who?
Like, what are you talking about, dude?
They're like, where is he?
unidentified
Where is he?
tim pool
And we were like, we moved in here a couple months ago.
If you came to me and said you were gonna put those guys up for the death penalty or 20 years in prison, I'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, dude.
lydia smith
That's way too much, yeah.
tim pool
The guy illegally entered my house, I don't know, like, suspend him or something.
adam crigler
Well, imagine if one of your friends got killed.
They came in and then shot your friend?
tim pool
Oh yeah, they committed a crime.
Felony breaking and entering.
Gun with weapons and then shot an innocent person.
adam crigler
But what if your friend started fighting him?
And they didn't realize they were a cop?
tim pool
Doesn't matter, they still committed a crime.
If they break the law, then I think they should be held to a higher standard if they break the law.
adam crigler
Let me ask you a question though about this.
Say they let the guy run away.
You don't think that they could have gotten in their car, and followed him, and been like, dude, we know where you live, he's been arrested for a DUI, like, they could have... Nope.
It's like, what?
No what?
tim pool
They couldn't have done it.
adam crigler
Because he was actually fighting them.
tim pool
Well, it's, you got a guy who's drunk, .108, In the process of committing a felony offense.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Who got violent with you and successfully fought off two cops.
adam crigler
Yeah, it's messed up.
tim pool
Who has a history of apparently being violent with other people.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
I think as kids.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
He steals a deadly weapon, which Atlanta just deemed.
They said, you gotta understand, taters are deadly weapons.
He fires at you.
And in that one split second moment, you have to decide, does he have a weapon?
Is he gonna kill me?
He tried to kill me.
I don't know what his intent is.
Will he hurt someone else?
Will he take someone hostage?
So, my initial assessment was, let him go.
The problem then is, what happens if he runs and grabs a woman and puts a taser on her neck and says, get away from me.
And now you've got a hostage situation.
adam crigler
Well, it looks like he dropped the taser.
It looked like he shot it.
And like, blindly.
That's true.
He got shot.
tim pool
So, I'll tell you what, man.
How many of these people who think they know what this cop should have done have ever been in a situation where their life was threatened?
adam crigler
None of them.
lydia smith
Absolutely not.
adam crigler
I mean, you've seen crazy videos.
Everybody has seen crazy videos of cops.
Not police brutality videos.
I'm just talking about plain old cop videos of stuff that they're going through that they have to deal with.
tim pool
Well, we have that one viral video.
adam crigler
That's insane!
tim pool
Let me pull up the story.
So this was actually brought up.
James Woods tweeted a video of this.
We can't play you the video.
adam crigler
It's hard to watch.
tim pool
It's very hard to watch.
And I'll tell you what this video is about.
Check this story out.
Man who shot Trooper on Route 33 gets up to 110 years in prison.
Fortunately, both cops survived.
Here's the story.
They pull the guy over.
Two guys are trying to arrest one man.
Yeah.
The one man starts fighting them and actually, you know, gets off of them.
They draw their tasers and tase him.
He breaks free, pushes them down, and they don't draw their weapons.
And he does.
And he shoots both cops.
And then you watch one of those cops, with his hand covered in blood, struggle to climb
over a guardrail and roll to get to what's called dead ground at an angle where he can't
And this guy leans over his car, still shooting at the cops, gets in his car and fires out the back window several times and then speeds off.
adam crigler
You see videos like this, this is what, every single cop, when they're getting trained, sees this kind of stuff and they're like, this is worst case scenario.
You need to prepare for worst case scenario because any situation can go into a worst case scenario.
And it's like, okay, that makes sense.
Seeing this, it's crazy.
That guy got tasered by both of them.
tim pool
I'm still, fought him off.
adam crigler
Both of them had their tasers on him.
tim pool
They didn't want to shoot him though.
adam crigler
They didn't want to shoot?
Of course!
lydia smith
Right.
adam crigler
Who wants to kill somebody?
lydia smith
Well, you're gonna get shot then.
adam crigler
That probably marks you in your brain, you know?
That probably never leaves you, you know, once that happens.
tim pool
Here's the problem.
We have a bunch of stories about cops who got scared for stupid reasons.
You ever see that video where the guy gets pulled over and the cop's like, you got a license and ID?
And he goes, yeah, I got it right here.
And he reaches into his truck and the cop goes, ah, and starts shooting him.
adam crigler
I have seen that, yeah.
tim pool
I'm like, well you told them to get it, man.
What are you doing?
Yeah.
Now those cops need to be like put on desk duty permanently.
adam crigler
You're right.
tim pool
It's like, dude.
Definitely.
There is a real question about when, the difficulty is if the cop really was scared for their life and we asked them to enter a situation where they could be put in harm's way and they overreact and panic, can we really hold them criminally liable for being scared And kind of pathetic.
It's a hard question, but it typically leans towards the no.
Like, when it came to Philando Castile, right?
Legal gun owner.
And the cop got scared because he was reaching and he says, don't grab your gun.
And then he shoots him.
That's a very murky situation because you have a guy who has a gun and a cop who panics.
So should the guy go to prison for that or be stripped of his powers and removed?
The line is so fine, I'm not going to pretend to know the answer.
But I can tell you in this instance, at least, with Rayshard Brooks, this is clear-cut use of force.
adam crigler
Yeah.
Well, you said it already, though.
All these people that are saying they shouldn't do this, they should blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
None of them knows what it's like to be a cop.
None of them to be in their shoes and deal with this kind of stuff where anything can happen that you can even a knife a knife is is is even more deadly because you don't even see it coming right you know it's like not just they don't know who knows but as soon as you start resisting and fighting them like their minds instantly get well pumped with adrenaline because they suddenly are going from you know on edge to actually fighting like who knows Oh man, this shit gets me, sorry.
tim pool
Mythbusters did a video on bringing a knife to a gunfight and they found that an average person, notably themselves who are like middle-aged and overweight dudes, a knife is more deadly than a gun.
adam crigler
Yep, yep.
And that's something that cops are trained- He closed the distance, right?
We were talking about this.
tim pool
What is it, 21 feet or something like that?
adam crigler
Wow.
Before he can pull the gun out.
tim pool
Before the gun could be drawn from the holster and fired.
adam crigler
Wow.
tim pool
He was able to tag him with a knife.
So, people don't realize that they often say, like, don't bring a knife to a gunfight.
It's like, actually, depending on the distance... Maybe you should, yeah.
adam crigler
Bring both.
tim pool
Well, no, a knife is a guarantee.
If you're in close quarters, a knife is a guarantee, a gun isn't.
adam crigler
You can't run out of bullets if you're using a knife.
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Man, I've watched videos on, like, knife training stuff, too.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, you see in the movies when they swing the knife and the guy grabs the rest and flips them over.
And then I watched a video on, like, actual knife fighting and the guy's like, don't believe the movies, man.
lydia smith
No.
tim pool
And he's like, let me show you with a practice knife.
adam crigler
Yeah.
unidentified
And whooo!
tim pool
Man, in like three seconds, you got five lethal wounds just like with an untrained person swinging a knife and jabbing and stamming.
You can't stop him.
But anyway, in the Rayshard Brooks instance, you had a regrettable case.
We have asked this police officer to enter into a situation where his life could be in danger.
Violent offender, committing a felony, drunk, aggressive, steals lethal weapon.
Death penalty for that?
lydia smith
Seriously.
tim pool
Makes no sense.
You know these people who are saying that he's a murderer and stuff, they don't even know the story.
They didn't read any of the news.
Probably.
I have a friend who's a celebrity lefty.
adam crigler
Not only that, all the news, all the facts aren't even out yet.
unidentified
Right.
adam crigler
They're just surface, looking at the surface, whoop, yep, that fits our narrative, let's run with it, go.
tim pool
All of the activists are saying he was sleeping in his car at Wendy's and the cops shot him.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
That's ridiculous.
It's like, wait a minute.
Like, you left at the part where he was pulling out a weapon and shooting it at him and like... No, no, no.
adam crigler
Wrestling their weapon away from them.
tim pool
And then shooting at him with it.
Yeah.
lydia smith
So I did have a thought.
So I wonder if the cops in the parking lot at this Wendy's were thinking about this video that we just watched.
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
When they were pulling their weapons and they were like, I got no choice.
This guy, not only did he get away from both of us, now he has our taser and he's tearing off into the neighborhood.
So what's going to happen if I don't shoot him?
Like, am I going to be dead too?
Or am I going to be shot?
Whatever happened to those other guys?
adam crigler
Or like you said, is he going to grab a hostage and hold the taser to their face or whatever it is?
tim pool
But it's not even about these questions.
You know why?
Because it is a fraction of a second when you see the taser being pointed at your face.
In the video you see him switch hands and reach for his gun when he swings the taser back.
The taser fires and then he goes pop pop pop.
Someone's aiming the taser at your face.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
How about this one?
First and foremost, the cop had no idea.
It's a fraction of a second.
Decide.
Will you wait to see what happens?
adam crigler
No.
tim pool
He's trying to kill you.
Don't wait.
adam crigler
This is ridiculous.
tim pool
What would have happened if Rayshard got the taser on him, and he dropped down paralyzed, and then Rayshard grabbed his gun?
adam crigler
Right.
Exactly.
unidentified
You can't... Look.
tim pool
As much as people don't want to accept it, when the cops say you're under arrest, you put your hands behind your back and you shut your mouth.
Rayshard Brooks should have shut his mouth.
Yep.
And this is for everybody, not just him.
When the cops started asking questions, what are you doing?
What are you doing?
He could have said, just fell asleep.
Or he could have said, I don't answer questions.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
And then when they were like, you want to do a field sobriety test?
I don't.
I don't answer questions.
Well, how about a breathalyzer?
I don't answer questions.
adam crigler
Yep, he would have been in a jail cell now.
tim pool
Maybe.
So, depending on the jurisdiction, I don't know how Atlanta works, but I think in Illinois, if you refuse field sobriety and a breathalyzer, they can arrest you and then force a breathalyzer at the station.
adam crigler
Right, but wasn't he on parole?
tim pool
He's on probation.
adam crigler
Oh, probation?
tim pool
Yep.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
I mean, look, if he had... For a DUI though, right?
adam crigler
I'll tell you what, man.
I don't know.
tim pool
The first mistake that was made in this whole circumstance was Rayshard Brooks driving drunk.
End of story.
The next mistake was him resisting arrest for committing a felony.
I'm pretty sure DUI is a felony, right?
adam crigler
Yeah.
I'm pretty sure you're right.
Absolutely.
lydia smith
Yeah, 100%.
adam crigler
Definitely.
tim pool
So, listen, man.
I just gotta say it.
If you get caught, Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
This guy wanted to drink and drive and risk other people's lives and he got caught.
At that point you say, you got me officer.
Put your hands behind your back and enjoy your ride downtown.
Yep.
Don't do the crimes.
But instead he said, I'm gonna make everything worse.
These cops knew who he was.
They knew his name.
adam crigler
Oh, really?
tim pool
Yeah, and apparently, I heard they called in backup because they knew he had a violent history.
lydia smith
Oh, wow.
tim pool
I don't know if that's just more of what I heard on social media.
lydia smith
Well, I do know backup was on the way, right?
unidentified
It was.
lydia smith
That's what I heard, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
I think when they found out who he was, they decided to call in backup.
And death penalty, man.
So, I guess the big question is, we've already seen police across the country resign.
Just straight up, I'm out.
adam crigler
A lot of people are saying DUIs are not felonies.
tim pool
They're not felonies?
adam crigler
And I think what that means is there's a certain blood alcohol limit that makes it a felony.
tim pool
I think there's... Well, they're saying the first... Some people are saying it's usually a misdemeanor.
DUI is a misdemeanor.
unidentified
I think this is the second one.
tim pool
What about your second DUI?
adam crigler
Yeah, maybe I'm not...
See, we're not lawyers.
tim pool
We don't have all this information.
I'll simplify it.
If you commit a crime, and you get caught committing that crime, don't fight the police and steal their weapons.
adam crigler
Yeah, if you get caught.
tim pool
Dude, listen, I really hate it when the left tries to use this argument.
You know what I heard?
They're like, man, you gotta understand when they watch videos all day every day of cops killing people, they get scared and they run for it and they resist.
It's like, what are you talking about?
The videos are them getting killed for resisting.
Like, look, not every single video, but I'll tell you what, we do have a big problem, and it's social media.
adam crigler
You're absolutely right.
tim pool
These cops who watched this one video, and then they assume it could happen to me, it's like, bro, there's 375 million interactions in New York, according to the NYPD union, and almost all of them positive.
Don't assume that guy's gonna shoot you.
But they do.
adam crigler
They get scared.
I'm thinking it's like in their training.
They have to know that any situation can result in someone pulling a gun or a knife out.
You have to be prepared for that.
tim pool
Yep.
adam crigler
So.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't know.
tim pool
Especially when they're committing a crime and trying to escape, and they're attacking you.
adam crigler
And stealing your weapon.
tim pool
Yep.
Tough calls, man.
Tough choices.
It's hard to know what the right move is, and people seem to think that, if it were me, I know what I would do.
No, you don't, man.
adam crigler
Everyone always loves to know the answers.
They think they know the answers.
They just want to play the blame game.
Look, if you have an issue with police, go become a policeman.
Be the cop that you want cops to be.
tim pool
Be the change you want to see in the world.
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
How many of these people are like, I'm going to become a cop so I can clean up the department?
adam crigler
None of them.
No.
None of them.
tim pool
Dude, it's just like that meme of the feminists where it's like, you know, the woman reads a paper saying not enough women in STEM.
So she goes to college and the next panel is her holding up a gender studies thing, like protesting more women in STEM.
Go to school for STEM, man.
adam crigler
Yeah, if you want to be in that industry, do it.
lydia smith
Make it happen.
adam crigler
If you have an issue, if you're fighting for it, what are you really fighting for?
tim pool
Where was it where the Black Lives Matter protest was all white people and all the cops were black?
Do you remember that?
lydia smith
I don't remember where that was, but something did just happen.
adam crigler
Yeah, I saw that picture.
lydia smith
So it's just confirmed.
Sources confirm that Atlanta PD Zones 3 and 6 Southeast Area already have 20 to 30 cops walk out.
That is half of an entire shift.
tim pool
What's the source on that?
lydia smith
That is Seth Weathers, who reports for... Weather Corps?
So he's like a weather dude.
tim pool
A weather guy.
adam crigler
A weather guy, huh?
lydia smith
He says it's confirmed.
That's my source, is a weather guy.
So take that with whatever you want.
tim pool
What's his Twitter account?
lydia smith
That is Seth Weathers.
That's his handle.
tim pool
Just like regular Seth Weathers?
lydia smith
Yes, regular Seth Weathers.
tim pool
That is very easy to find.
I know, right?
Seth Weathers here.
Sometimes tweeting the truth.
Weathers Corp owner.
So he's tweeted it.
Confirmed.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, I'll take his word for it.
Source confirms, Atlanta PD zones 3 and 6, southeast area, already have 20 to 30 cops walk out.
That's half an entire shift.
Bravo.
To those cops.
Bravo.
Stand up for yourselves, man.
lydia smith
Do it.
We need more.
tim pool
Who are these other cops that are staying there?
adam crigler
Chickens, I don't know.
No, I don't think that's not fair at all.
lydia smith
You don't think so?
adam crigler
No, because there are cops that are going, if we leave, then we're gonna have the whole, it's their town, it's their city, they probably love it.
lydia smith
I'm sure, yeah.
adam crigler
They might be the ones that I'm talking about.
Go up and fight and be that cop.
That might be them.
They might be like, you know what?
No, we're here to make a difference.
We want to help our community.
I, they exist.
I know they do.
I've met a few of them.
I have, I have friends that are, you know, are cops and it's like, they're not all bad.
There's good cops.
tim pool
The cops walking off are good cops too, right?
adam crigler
Sure.
But you know, it's like, but you can't just call the ones that are staying chickens.
That is not fair at all.
lydia smith
Well, they need to have a conversation then about why two thirds, why three quarters of them are walking, half of them, sorry, half of them are walking off the entire shift.
adam crigler
Well, I mean, obviously there's a huge issue.
I'm not saying I blame them.
I'm not saying I blame them for walking off.
lydia smith
Maybe a chicken is too strong, but I would really like to see them stand up for what they believe.
I want all of them to stand up for what they believe in.
And if it takes a night of chaos, I don't want that.
I don't think they want that either, but maybe that's what needs to happen.
I don't know.
I don't know.
tim pool
I agree that there's probably a political difference between the cops, and you can't tell who's a coward or who's a chicken just because some want to stay.
But I do think the ones staying are making a huge mistake.
Notably because the left wants you gone, and the right wants you to stand up for yourself.
adam crigler
Right, it is clear that.
The extremes, the extremists.
Doesn't matter if you're on the left or the right.
They want the cops to be, you know, either expunged or just to leave.
But you got to remember that these are the extremists.
These are people on the far sides of the population.
And as everything we talked about, there's a bell curve.
Most people are in the bell, in the middle.
They're like, what is going on with these two extremists?
lydia smith
Yeah.
adam crigler
I'm sure a lot of them are.
Our police officers are the same.
They're like, man, what is going on here?
tim pool
Twitter is lighting up with a bunch of players.
I'm sure it is.
Way more zones have walked off.
But I got to tell you, man, you do not want to be and I believe Atlanta is trending.
I'm sure it is.
How much of this might just be a bunch of people on Twitter all hooting at each other and high-fiving each other about what's going on, and meanwhile the Atlanta PD are sitting there like, we're doing our jobs, what are you talking about?
adam crigler
Maybe.
Who knows?
tim pool
But the Seth Weathers guy says he's got it confirmed.
Some people on Twitter have said that absolute dead air on Atlanta PD zones 5 and 6.
So I don't know, I wonder if anybody listening, are you guys in Atlanta?
lydia smith
I guess I could pull up my police scanner and see if I can hear anything later.
tim pool
Like the app or something?
lydia smith
Yeah, an app.
tim pool
Red State just mentioned the various reports that they're walking off following this charge.
lydia smith
This is their chance to take a stand?
I don't know.
tim pool
They have an update.
They say the story below has to do with a decision by Fulton County.
Oh, okay, so they changed the title.
Still, you know, I guess if Seth Weathers is saying it's confirmed, then that's the best we can say.
I have no reason to challenge his, you know, integrity.
Sounds like it's happening, man.
Yeah, I didn't want an actual source, but... Across the country, cops have been resigning.
It's exactly what the left wants.
The far left.
I wonder what this means for November.
We talked about it the other day that regular people in South Philly.
There was another story earlier today where a bunch of 80 Black Lives Matter protesters came to some small town of 2,800 people.
700 counter protesters showed up with weapons.
They were smacking people around.
I wonder.
They call it the silent majority.
But what's interesting is that I often hear that from Trump supporters as though the Trump supporters are the silent majority.
Technically true.
But I think there's a better way to put it.
Regular Americans have had enough.
adam crigler
Absolutely.
tim pool
Regular Americans, doesn't matter what they vote for.
adam crigler
Yep, exactly.
tim pool
All they know is some crazy people show up to my town smashing up my stuff.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
And so I'm gonna show up with a baseball bat.
adam crigler
That's what I've been saying.
That's what I've been saying, exactly.
Go out to... Get out of the cities.
Go to the smaller... Get out, man.
Yeah, well, I mean, I'm... Everybody.
If we're talking about the Antifa folk, the people that are smashing stuff, it's like, yeah, sure, leave the cities, see what happens.
And go to the smaller areas and start riling up someone who will shoot you.
We just saw it in New Mexico.
tim pool
But you're not actually telling anyone to do anything.
adam crigler
No, no, no.
Definitely.
I'm not saying it.
I was just referencing that I've been saying that that's what's going to happen.
They're going to meet the huge force of what America is.
The average American is like, we're not going to stand for this.
Now we're seeing it.
tim pool
A couple of good old boys show up with some baseball bats, some crowbars.
adam crigler
Oh, you're going to come to our small town?
Sure.
lydia smith
Come on.
adam crigler
Sure.
We all know each other.
lydia smith
Right.
adam crigler
We're going to stop you.
Yeah, this is our home.
tim pool
700 people.
700 people in a town of 2,800 people.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
And 80 Black Lives Matter protesters were there.
unidentified
80.
tim pool
Yeah.
700 counter protesters were like, nope.
adam crigler
Yeah, they're about to be woken up.
They want to be woke.
They will.
tim pool
Yeah.
They will.
Yeah, you know, one way to wake someone up is to give them a nice little love tap on the back of the head, I guess.
I'm kidding.
But, uh, all right.
So look, we'll, we'll, I guess we'll, this, this is a crazy story.
All right.
People are, people are making fun of the Atlanta police.
They're throwing a tantrum because they're being held accountable.
Oh, please spare me, dude.
You have no idea.
Welcome to the purge, man.
But, uh, I think the, the horse is, uh, effectively dead.
We've beaten it.
So, uh, we do have, we do have like bigger stories that extend beyond just what's happening in Atlanta that we definitely need to talk about.
So I'd love to talk about Atlanta all night, but we got war.
Now, before we get started on this segment, smash that like button!
lydia smith
There we go.
adam crigler
Yeah, smash it!
Smash, smash, smash, smash!
tim pool
And also, smash the subscribe button.
lydia smith
Yes, subscribe.
tim pool
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unidentified
Yes!
tim pool
You can follow at AdamKrigler on Twitter and Instagram as well.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And you can send Adam story ideas on Twitter.
adam crigler
Send them my way, please.
He collects for the show.
And better than that, it's even if you don't have a story, go check out the thread and you can comment on the story.
And I read all your comments.
It really helps me get more of a perspective of what you guys are feeling.
You know, we got this guy who's really into the journalist side of it, the official side of it.
You know, I want to hear what you guys have to say.
And that really helps me out.
So thank you.
tim pool
And you can also follow at Sour Patch Lids, L-Y-D-S.
lydia smith
L-Y-D-S.
Yes, I will talk to you sometimes.
I'll try.
tim pool
But now we got some international conflict and crisis.
And I do think this, in my personal opinion, there's an interesting conversation around how the conflict with India and China overlaps with what we're seeing in our cities with the police and the riots.
So I'll just give you the straight up speculation.
I've said it, we're on the brink of war with China.
We've had destroyers going to the South China Sea.
We've had China threatening us, us threatening back.
China doing like beaching trainings with Taiwan, you know, not with Taiwan, but doing beaching trainings and, you know, escalating tensions with Taiwan.
They want to take that island.
adam crigler
Yep.
We just moved some carriers into the Pacific.
unidentified
Yep.
adam crigler
Three carrier groups.
tim pool
Mike Pompeo said in February, we have been infiltrated by China.
Now all of a sudden China's engaging in this conflict with India.
And you were mentioning that you think it has to do with, it may have something to do with water.
adam crigler
I think it has a lot to do with water, yeah.
tim pool
So put a tag in that for now.
And my idea earlier on is just, if we do enter a war with China and people are fleeing the cities, which they are, and then you have people buying guns like crazy, which they are, I mean, we're going to be in a pretty good position relative to where we were.
lydia smith
Could be worse.
adam crigler
True.
tim pool
If we go to war with China, China could easily just be like, I'll put a drop of this polonium in the water and whole city's gone.
adam crigler
I think it would be more like they would hack our systems, you know, shut the reactors down or the water system, make it backfire, blow pipes, so that entire cities would just not have any water.
Right.
tim pool
But now we've got tons of people fleeing cities, distributing themselves about the country, so it'll be harder to hit any single point and cripple our economy in the event of a full-on war.
adam crigler
That's true.
tim pool
So we'll get to that, but first we have this story.
I don't know if you want to read this one, because you've been reading into it, right?
adam crigler
Well, I mean, I could just... I don't know which article this is here.
tim pool
It's a really short editorial talking about China provoking India.
adam crigler
Oh, let's just read what it says here.
It says, provoking a crisis with India, China's latest aggression.
says China continues to mark the global pandemic with troublemaking the world really doesn't need
right now the latest aggression across the line of actual control on its border with India. Monday's
deadly skirmish killed 20 Indian soldiers and likely left Chinese casualties too although now
it's been reported that 43 Chinese citizen or fighters have been killed. But they were
tim pool
bludgeoned to death you were saying. Well yeah I'll get to that let's uh.
adam crigler
I'll just keep reading.
It says, though Beijing won't confirm it, these are the first combat deaths on the border since 1975.
China blamed India for carrying out provocative attacks, leading to serious physical conflicts in a snow-covered West Himalayas.
But Beijing is the one who's been pushing for weeks, impinging on territory it hasn't actively claimed for decades, supposedly because Delhi has modernized the highway that runs along its side of the line.
Now, that's that's that's very accurate.
That's that's basically what's happening.
China has been like, we have this area.
Well, I think it was in 1967, India and China agreed upon like a border line and said, all right, this is the line.
China's been building up on it.
India basically hasn't been until recently.
So now they're like starting to build infrastructure in this area, you know, and China's already overstepped their grounds.
So India's like, hey, this is our, this is our territory back off.
and uh it it's basically reaching ahead now it's like they're they're finally coming to blows over this this push push back and forth and it is it's pretty crazy it was a battle in the night it was nighttime they didn't know who like you know they were fighting with throwing rocks they were they were they had sticks it wasn't it wasn't like a gun battle it was like a mountain side Skirmish?
Yeah, I guess skirmish.
tim pool
Sounds like Anteo versus the Proud Boys.
adam crigler
More people died from head injuries the next day.
Not even during the battle.
It was because they were getting bludgeoned in the head with these rocks.
No, no.
Well, yeah, I guess rocks with sticks.
I did read once somewhere, I don't know if this is confirmed, but they were like wrapping barbed wire on some sticks and using them to fight.
And I was like, wow.
tim pool
We skipped over the whole nuclear weapons thing, you know?
unidentified
Went straight to sticks and rocks.
adam crigler
Right back to Stone Age.
It is kind of crazy.
tim pool
I got a message from somebody.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
They said when we were talking about China and war with China.
Yeah. For one, a lot of people have pointed out China's attack is trash.
But another really good point is that we got a billion allies shown in India.
adam crigler
Well, and and Trump and Modi got their their.
Their buddies buddied up.
tim pool
Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't India's.
adam crigler
India's our ally.
If we were to go to war with China, India would be like, let's do this, America.
tim pool
They're the ones who are going to do the fighting.
adam crigler
They have 1.3 billion people.
China has 1.4 billion people.
Jeez, dude.
tim pool
What is that?
Like a sixth of the world fighting a sixth of the world?
adam crigler
Yeah, basically.
lydia smith
A third of the world fighting.
adam crigler
It's pretty insane.
tim pool
So we would end up sitting back and most of the fighting would be happening on the Asian continent.
That would wipe China out.
adam crigler
It absolutely would, because we would probably go join India and it would stay over there.
tim pool
Oh dude, we'd send them crazy weapons.
adam crigler
Oh yeah, definitely.
If we haven't already.
Because Trump is buddied up with them.
The American war machine doesn't change for whoever Democrat, Republican, doesn't matter.
That still keeps rolling along.
tim pool
The one time, maybe not the one time, but one of the times the media is actually praising Trump, when he fired 59 Tomahawk missiles at Syria.
adam crigler
Really?
tim pool
Yeah.
And everybody, all the libertarian types, from like, you know, anti-war left to like, you know, libertarian right, were all collectively laughing.
Like, we knew that as soon as Trump went warmonger, the media would be like, what a great president.
adam crigler
I know, it's true.
tim pool
It's not so bad.
They ran a segment where they were like, perhaps this is Trump being presidential.
And it's like, he just fixed 59 missiles.
You people are nuts, man.
Yeah, when he does what the war machine wants, And so who was it?
At least Trump didn't start any new wars.
lydia smith
Yeah, Gates.
adam crigler
Yeah, right.
tim pool
But yeah, we also had, was it North Korea blew up the South Korean liaison office?
adam crigler
The liaison building, yeah.
tim pool
And they announced they're going to stop cooperating.
China's not the enemy.
I'm sorry, South Korea is not the enemy.
And they're going to move on the DMZ or something.
adam crigler
That's not a good idea.
tim pool
They were demilitarizing the demilitarized zone, which is really funny.
Like clearing landmines and stuff.
adam crigler
Wow.
I thought... North Korea was?
tim pool
Both were like, we're gonna start, you know, opening things up and normalizing relationships.
Now North Korea's like, they're going for it.
adam crigler
Yeah, probably because China's like, hey, North Korea, it's time.
tim pool
Yep.
lydia smith
Let's do stuff.
adam crigler
Start it up.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
adam crigler
And he's like, OK, let's do it.
tim pool
I have to wonder if, you know, we sit on the brink of war with China.
Is what we're seeing now on the border with India because China knows their real fight will be India, not us?
adam crigler
Probably.
I mean, before I was reading into it, I did.
So you said put a pin in it.
I thought it was about water.
So Pakistan and India fight over water rights from a lot of the rivers that come down from the Himalayan mountains.
And, actually, the same water source, if you follow it all the way up, goes down the other way into China.
And, I mean, water is a precious commodity that we take advantage.
People want to talk about American privilege.
It's like, we have running water that you can drink.
That's amazing.
tim pool
We literally flush it down the toilet.
adam crigler
We flush fresh water down the toilet.
Exactly.
That's insane.
There's people around the world that don't have fresh water.
Or toilets.
So, think about it.
Man, if China goes, if they are pushing over and they, they want to starve out India, if they think India is actually one of the threats, taking one of the main water sources away is a huge deal.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
And that, and then when you brought that up, I was like, interesting.
And we're, everything happening in the U.S.
is forcing Americans to flee cities and buy guns.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
So how easily could these riots be, could be wiped away and washed up and it's all over?
adam crigler
Oh man, like that.
lydia smith
Yeah.
adam crigler
Like that.
tim pool
But there's a couple of reasons how it could be done.
The Insurrection Act, the army comes in, National Guard gets deployed, or the media stops covering any of it.
adam crigler
That's a good point.
tim pool
People forget all about it.
adam crigler
Stop shoving it down people's throats.
tim pool
Or an enemy that we unite against.
lydia smith
An outside enemy.
adam crigler
Or aliens.
lydia smith
Yep, yep.
adam crigler
Aliens finally make their appearance and everyone goes, July 4th, Independence Day is coming!
It's coming!
lydia smith
It's coming up!
tim pool
Did you see the Babylon Bee's future timeline?
adam crigler
Oh man, what?
tim pool
We should pull it up.
lydia smith
Yeah, we should.
adam crigler
Yeah, do it.
I don't know anything about it.
tim pool
Where did they post it?
On Twitter?
lydia smith
I can tweet it out just now if you guys want to see it.
adam crigler
Babylon Bee is... Yeah, put it on Twitter and then... A goldmine.
lydia smith
I love the Babylon Bee.
tim pool
And then I'll go to your Twitter.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
So basically, the Babylon Bee created a timeline of 2020 so far.
Oh!
unidentified
10K!
adam crigler
Congratulations!
No, get the camera over there.
Not on me.
Yes!
lydia smith
Oh, I have 10k followers.
adam crigler
Lydia finally hit 10k.
unidentified
Thanks.
adam crigler
Congratulations.
That'll beat me.
Well, you're the one making a competition.
I don't care.
lydia smith
I did make it a competition.
adam crigler
I mean, I love the people following me, don't get me wrong, but it was not a competition.
lydia smith
Yeah, I did.
tim pool
All right, I want to pull up this, uh, this is hilarious.
lydia smith
Okay, this is great.
tim pool
So, war.
War, perhaps.
Or how about this tweet right here?
You can't see because of, uh, my face.
lydia smith
You could, yeah.
tim pool
Maybe I can shrink it.
Can I shrink it?
lydia smith
Yeah, I don't know.
tim pool
No, I can't because Twitter doesn't let you do it anymore.
adam crigler
Well, that's all right.
It's COVID-19.
There's a little bat symbol.
tim pool
Yeah, and then it says, then Trump was impeached, then acquitted.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Tiger King released.
International IQ drops 40 points.
Kim Jong-un almost dies.
Sister pretty, uh, what does it say?
Pretty mad.
Murder hornets skipped right past torture.
Riots.
Cops abolished.
Free, what does it say?
Free, uh, what does it say?
Free Legos and cheesecake.
unidentified
Oh gosh.
tim pool
Oh, that's right.
lydia smith
Oh yeah, everyone was stealing it.
tim pool
Then we have this one.
Monkeys steal COVID-19 samples.
COVID-20 now in production.
Country of Chaz founded or chop or something.
Now stop.
Those are all real.
lydia smith
Yeah, those things really happen.
adam crigler
So that's the actual timeline.
tim pool
A monkey actually stole the COVID samples.
That was in India, wasn't it?
Yeah, that was in India.
lydia smith
I'm not feeling good about our allies over there just now.
What is happening?
tim pool
Wait, wait, wait.
So here's their future predictions for what's going to happen.
Amy Schumer releases new comedy special.
Yikes.
Hillary accepts nomination after Biden mysteriously dies.
It keeps getting better.
Ninjas kidnap Trump while golfing.
Adam Sandler wins presidency right in victory.
Genocidal honey badgers erupt from volcanoes, slay millions.
Diabetes goes airborne, everyone comes down with the fat.
adam crigler
Oh my god.
tim pool
This is great.
adam crigler
This is brutal.
tim pool
Bear hurricanes created by the military in an attempt to defeat badgers backfires.
Alexa and Siri enslave humans.
Feminism win.
adam crigler
Well wait, wouldn't it be a bear-nado?
Come on, I'm sorry.
Whoa, hold on.
Hold on, Babylon Bee.
Your satire isn't exactly correct.
lydia smith
Barricade.
adam crigler
Barricade.
lydia smith
Barricade is pretty good.
tim pool
But it's a picture of a tornado, so you're right.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
It's a picture of a tornado.
adam crigler
I'm upset!
Cancel Babylon Bee!
Cancel them!
lydia smith
Snopes and CNN been trying, man.
adam crigler
Just kidding.
I love Babylon Bee.
tim pool
I love that Hillary accepts nomination after Biden mysteriously dies.
adam crigler
Mysteriously.
unidentified
So weird.
adam crigler
Do you get my quotes?
You got my quotes.
lydia smith
We've been talking about this, man.
tim pool
Amy Schumer releases new comedy special.
lydia smith
The worst part of this timeline.
tim pool
Wow.
But what's messed up about it is like, Man, the jokes write themselves.
Did you know that before they pulled Aunt Jemima, eight hours before they announced they were cancelling Aunt Jemima, The Onion wrote an article saying Aunt Jemima was cancelled.
lydia smith
It happened.
adam crigler
Wait, that was a... Seriously, that's the way it happened?
tim pool
Eight hours before Quaker announced pulling Aunt Jemima, The Onion had published an article saying they were replacing Aunt Jemima with a less offensive character or something.
What is this?
lydia smith
We're rushing off somewhere.
I'm not sure.
Oh, oh, oh!
tim pool
Oh yeah.
lydia smith
Okay.
adam crigler
So I walk in here today, or was it yesterday?
Yesterday, yeah.
And I see this sitting there.
Can I get a close-up?
I can't, I'm sorry.
lydia smith
Can I get a close-up?
No, I can't.
It's Blazing Saddles!
adam crigler
Check it out!
This is the DVD for Blazing Saddles.
I don't know when this is going to get cancelled, but it's a hilarious movie making fun of racism.
tim pool
But it's racist.
adam crigler
Oh, I'm sure it is.
To everyone who's going to cancel it, do not cancel it, but they're going to do it.
It's going to happen.
tim pool
They've already brought it up.
adam crigler
Oh, are you serious?
unidentified
Yeah, they brought it up.
lydia smith
Watch it tomorrow.
tim pool
yep we'll see we'll see all right onion don't don't write the article do it don't do it no i bought this i bought a bunch of uh oh man a bunch of movies you did yeah in preparation this is one of them and and uh ian and i bought a bunch of magic cards we think are about to get banned Man.
It was rated the most complex game ever.
magic card fiasco that to me is the most shocking because it's like you have one
of the most popular games in the planet one of the most complicated strategy
adam crigler
games yep what it was it was rated the most complex game ever like chess on
steroids yeah I don't know we're talking about it's this magic magic the
tim pool
Magic the Gathering.
It's the original playing card game trading card.
And they've begun banning things like this for being racist.
This card.
It's called a Jihad.
They banned this from the game.
You can't use it.
It's not the best card in the world anyway.
But they literally said because the card is racist you can't play with it anymore.
Not even game function.
So Blazing Saddles and a bunch of other movies.
I can't remember which ones I went in.
I bought Gone with the Wind.
No, no, I couldn't get Gone with the Wind.
Gone with the Wind is sold out.
adam crigler
Oh, you can get it now.
It's like 150 bucks on eBay.
The last I saw it was 150 bucks on Amazon.
tim pool
But apparently HBO is going to bring it back.
But if you want the real unedited version, the historical version, you better buy it now, man.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
That's a good point.
adam crigler
Well, they're gonna bring it back with a prologue before the movie starts from a social justice warrior.
tim pool
So dumb.
Whatever, man.
So, Ian.
You guys might know Ian.
He co-hosted the show with me a couple times.
adam crigler
They know him as Cosmic Garth.
tim pool
Cosmic Garth.
adam crigler
Cosmic Garth.
He joined me on AdamCast while you were gone.
Go ahead.
tim pool
He comes to me and he's like, bro, they're gonna ban all of these cards look and he starts telling me like look at these cards and I'm like these cards are all racist.
lydia smith
You are correct Ian, you are correct.
adam crigler
More so than the ones they actually did ban.
But they set the precedence man.
Check it out.
There's the angel of jubilation.
All non-black creatures get bigger.
tim pool
Hold on.
There's a card that people immediately highlighted.
The company that owns this is called Wizards of the Coast.
It's also owned by Hasbro Toys.
When they started declaring that art and game function was racist, they banned Crusade because it shows Templar knights in ones like Raising a Sword, and it says all white creatures get plus one strength, plus one, you know, defense or whatever.
I'm trying to simplify the game for those that aren't familiar.
And I guess because it makes white creatures stronger, that's racist.
So there's another card called Cleanse that says all black creatures are destroyed.
That just refers to black magic.
So I immediately bought a mint version.
I put it on my Instagram so you can check it out on Instagram.
Instagram.com slash Timcast.
adam crigler
It's 9 out of 10.
tim pool
Right, whatever.
unidentified
The point is, hold on.
tim pool
So when wizards banned this card because it destroyed all black creatures, immediately people pointed out another card called Virtue's Ruin.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
And it shows a knight, noble knight, in black goop, sinking in, dying apparently, and it says, all white creatures are destroyed.
They're saying, why won't you ban this one?
This one's targeting white people, and I'm like, you want these people who are highlighting this one card didn't understand?
Is that the card Crusade is just a historical reference.
White knights being like, hurrah!
Virtue's Ruin literally shows evil blackness destroying the virtuous knight.
Saying all white creatures are destroyed and I'm like, that is substantially more interpretably racist by their standards.
But this is what we have now.
They're banning everything.
Yeah, so the funny thing about the Aunt Jemima stuff is, because we were talking about this a little earlier, I don't care if they ban Aunt Jemima.
It's a brand for a company, and if they're like, it's not going to help me sell a product, I get it.
Now, what I don't like is when, you know, companies pander by actively trying to engage in some kind of activist thing.
It's like, we get it, brand.
You don't care about us.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
changing their mascot to to adhere to a more modern whatever whatever dude whatever but a lot of people kept saying Uncle Ben was next and sure enough I'm gonna pull up this this card that I found I posted on Twitter we were talking about it the other day but I have it here what's it called Oh no, this one's so racist, bro.
adam crigler
I know!
Oh man.
How is this- should we- you don't even want to show it?
tim pool
Sure, it's a magic card, man.
adam crigler
So this is Sanger Autocrat.
lydia smith
Oh boy.
adam crigler
When he comes into play, create three black serfs.
And if you don't know what a serf is, it's a slave.
tim pool
Kind of, but yeah.
adam crigler
In essence, yes.
So it's like, The whole game is done.
The whole game of Magic is done.
Wizards, they made their own game racist.
tim pool
Yep, it wasn't.
adam crigler
Never in my entire history of playing Magic, 20 years mind you, did I ever equate it to anything outside of the Magic realm.
I was playing with summoning creatures and casting spells.
tim pool
Goblins and vampires.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
It was a fantasy world for me.
They did it!
They brought it out and said, hey, by the way, these colors are racist now.
These specific ones that we've titled.
And it's like, OK, whoa.
So you just popped this bubble that now this game isn't fantasy for me anymore.
You made it realistic, Wizards.
You did this to yourself.
You're making these cars racist.
tim pool
So here's what's really crazy about it.
The reference to white and black is like white and black magic.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
We have those in movies, we have those in books.
It's a reference to night and day.
Depending on who you ask, consult an expert on folklore and mythology, but my general understanding is it's a reference to, in ancient civilizations, humans knew the day was good.
It was warm, it was safe, you could see the crops grew.
adam crigler
It grew the crops, yes.
tim pool
And night was scary and dangerous and predators.
adam crigler
Because they believed that the night ate the sun.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
And there was, like, this epic journey every single night to fight through the darkness for the sun to rise again.
tim pool
And so from this, you end up with concepts like white magic and black magic, a reference to night and day and darkness.
adam crigler
Yes.
tim pool
Magic the Gathering is a game that has those as key elements.
Never, ever was the reference to white or black about race.
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
They decided, because of the wokeness, this one white card must surely be about race.
Therefore, we're gonna ban it.
Effectively telling everyone who plays their silly little goblin fantasy game that all of these references to Magic are now race-based.
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
And then Adam pulls out a card that is a black card that generates black serfs.
And it's like, Magic, you want to play the woke game.
Ban the whole game.
adam crigler
Ban all of the colors.
Look, black and white.
Just get rid of them.
Just get rid of them.
tim pool
It's not just about that.
It's about opening the door to the cult.
adam crigler
Exactly.
It's the first domino being pushed over.
tim pool
And they did it.
adam crigler
Yep.
They did it to themselves.
lydia smith
Kicked it over.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
And now what's going to happen?
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
As we've seen with people like Drew Brees, you can apologize.
It won't work.
adam crigler
Yeah.
Apologize again.
Guess what's gonna happen.
tim pool
Apologize again.
adam crigler
Nothing.
lydia smith
That doesn't matter.
adam crigler
You're just making their fire bigger.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
Toss some gas onto the flame.
tim pool
You admitted fault.
adam crigler
Yep.
unidentified
Exactly.
tim pool
So Magic came out and said, you know what, you're right, this game is racist.
And now I can just see all this swarm of zombies have just found a pile of brains.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And they're like, here's the thing about a lot of games.
If there was a game where it had, like, one character... Like, let's say you're playing Fallout 3, and one of the characters in the game is deemed racist.
Or, you know what?
Aunt Jemima.
adam crigler
Sure.
tim pool
They say Aunt Jemima is based off of a racist stereotype, the old mammy, the minstrel show character.
So we've decided to change it.
That's one thing.
Magic the Gathering has, what, 20,000 different depictions of various arts?
adam crigler
20,000, yeah.
tim pool
Is it 20?
adam crigler
It's probably more.
tim pool
Probably more than that.
adam crigler
I'm pretty sure it's over 20,000 cards.
tim pool
Especially with alternative art.
adam crigler
Oh yeah.
tim pool
So, if you go to a game, and there's like one thing someone can complain about, and you change it, that might be the end of it.
This game, each individual card has unique art on it and a unique function and there's 20 plus thousand?
adam crigler
There's only one card that they banned that I agree with.
Invoke Prejudice.
I don't agree with it though.
You don't think they should have even banned that?
tim pool
Because the card was not itself racist.
adam crigler
That's right.
So they made it racist by saying it's racist.
Taking it out.
tim pool
The card was a play on racism.
So this one card, for those that aren't familiar, literally had something to do with the colors of the creatures you have versus the color of the creatures your opponents have.
adam crigler
That's a good point.
The card itself is a play on racism.
That's what it's about.
tim pool
The card itself didn't say white or black.
It wasn't derogatory in any way.
adam crigler
It was invoke prejudice against a color of your enemy.
lydia smith
It was all colors actually.
tim pool
It was all colors actually.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
It was specifically a like, yeah, it was a card designed to thematically be a reference to racism.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
So now when they loaded it in the database, they coded the number 1488.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
So somebody thought it was funny.
That was not a smart move.
adam crigler
But you can change this.
We don't know if it was a joke or someone intentionally meant to do that.
tim pool
It was a joke.
Like, even if the person who worked for this company was a Nazi, him putting it in there he thought was funny.
Like, there's no one who's going like, haha, I will secretly add this number and my mission will be complete.
No, no, no.
It was somebody messing around.
They thought it was funny because of what the card represented.
adam crigler
Yeah, either way though.
They did it to themselves.
tim pool
Here's a point I'm making.
The Woke Outraged Committee have just found an endless pot of gold to be outraged about.
adam crigler
Endless.
tim pool
Endless.
adam crigler
You know what?
Maybe it's good.
tim pool
This is gonna be the most glory.
adam crigler
They can keep digging through magic cards forever.
I know I do.
Just keep them busy.
To just, I have that many cards, just dig through cards.
It's like, sure, if they want to do that, have at it.
Whatever.
This is going to be one of- It will appease them.
tim pool
It's gonna be one of the most epic meltdowns in the history of the woke outrage.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
I bet you right now there's some bored SJW who's going through the entire database going like, do-ba-do-ba-do.
Ooh, this one.
What's that about?
Ooh, green.
unidentified
Mm, I don't know.
tim pool
I don't know what that green mean.
That's bigoted.
Wizard said they're going to ban more cards.
adam crigler
And they said they're gonna ban more cards.
It's never gonna end.
tim pool
Man, that's crazy.
Could you imagine playing chess?
This is the joke I made on Twitter.
I was like, we should make all chess pieces pawns because to have nobility is classist.
And then all the pieces should be the same color because, you know, equality.
It's racist to have white versus black.
And it's also not fair that white gets to go first.
So we definitely ought to change that.
And then actually nobody should be allowed to touch the pawns because that would assert your privilege over the pawns.
So basically we'll just have a board full of pawns and you just watch.
You just look at it.
adam crigler
You just watch them do nothing.
tim pool
No, you just look at the board.
You're like, that's nice.
No playing games.
And for that matter, winning is unfair because you had an advantage by being taught how to play and someone else didn't.
So it's not fair that you get to win.
lydia smith
We've known that, man.
tim pool
Think about that, that absurdity of the woke cult.
adam crigler
Cancel participation trophies.
lydia smith
Yes.
unidentified
Do it.
adam crigler
Cancel them.
Why do we have them?
lydia smith
Oh, that's a good idea.
adam crigler
Oh, I don't want my kid to feel bad.
Yes, but it'll make them want to be better though.
You're losing that.
Hello.
tim pool
Think about the absurdity of the woke cult saying that it's unfair that someone had access to an education.
And it's like, okay, If I know how to do a backflip and you don't, you're arguing that my privilege in being taught to do a backflip means that I have to be knocked on a peg or two.
So there's no competition at all?
Ever?
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
Just literally none?
Yeah.
So what does the world look like at the logical conclusion of what they do?
Is every magic card going to just be blank?
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
Because you can't have color?
adam crigler
Yeah, we gotta learn how to have thicker skin and be okay with losing.
Learn how to lose.
We've forgotten how to lose.
tim pool
Do you know what colorism is?
adam crigler
I'm not familiar with it.
tim pool
It's like a new thing they invented a few years ago because they replaced racism with some kind of like... You know, they basically said that racism is prejudice plus power.
And thus, by changing the definition of racism, they had no word for racism.
So then they created colorism.
adam crigler
Colorism?
tim pool
Yeah, where you're biased against someone based on the pigment of their skin.
And it's like, bro, you just reinvented racism.
Racism's a part of that, but you changed the definition.
That's the problem with changing definitions.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
But they're doing it to change the laws surreptitiously, like the Supreme Court just did.
So if biological sex doesn't exist, or gender is no longer biological sex, then any legal depiction mentioning the word gender has just changed its definition.
adam crigler
It's crazy.
tim pool
Yeah, the crazy thing about the Supreme Court ruling Was that some conservatives are saying legislators in Congress will no longer understand how they're drafting law if they understand that in the future definitions of words will change.
Therefore, the meaning of the law is irrelevant.
That means you could literally lead a campaign to change the definition of a word as a joke, and then all of a sudden you have like, I don't know, weird laws.
Like, I don't know, it actually says in the 1964 Civil Rights Act that you can't discriminate on the basis of color.
What does that mean?
Color?
The color of my shirt?
Just color in general.
adam crigler
Well, you were wearing a blue shirt, and it was making everyone uncomfortable.
tim pool
In all seriousness, what does color mean in the interpretation of the 1964 Civil Rights Act?
We don't know.
How about I interpret it to say, the color of my hat.
Therefore, if someone wears a MAGA hat, you can't fire them because it says color.
My color.
The hat.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
It doesn't say skin.
It doesn't say body color.
It doesn't say hair color, eye color.
It just says color.
lydia smith
That's why you define your terms.
tim pool
Exactly.
Yeah, that's the first thing you do.
So if we're gonna start reinterpreting what these things mean, like the Supreme Court did, okay.
Color now is a reference to anything pertaining to you with the color.
unidentified
So if they say, I don't like your red hat, ooh, I got you.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
You can't fire me.
Nope.
I don't like the color of your hat.
There you go.
But I'm willing to bet that Actually, no, I'm not willing to bet.
I was gonna say that we get to a point where everything is banned to a degree that people snap.
But I don't know, man.
adam crigler
People are starting to fight back, man.
tim pool
They're fighting back in the streets because they're being physically threatened.
adam crigler
I think we're gonna see a wave of, not like a red or blue wave, but a wave of logic-based humans.
Logic-based Americans.
tim pool
I don't believe it.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
The guys in South Philly with baseball bats?
adam crigler
Sure.
tim pool
Were acting like Antifa.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Wearing masks, hitting people, smacking cameras.
adam crigler
Yeah, but as you said, those are the people that are physically out in the streets.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
Those aren't the people that I'm talking about.
I'm talking about the new politicians that are taking over.
The people that are gonna, you know, people like me, you know, I'm eventually I mean I've been thinking about it for a little while you
know getting more and more into politics because it needs to be have we need some
people to take over to just get in there and make a difference you know that's
what has to happen yep we got to stop going how do you how are you
making all these wrong decisions man it's like
And what are you doing for decisions?
Nothing.
You're just letting them make decisions.
So why?
How can you complain and yet you're not actually stepping up and doing something about it?
tim pool
Like the situation with the police.
adam crigler
Yes.
tim pool
How many of these people are actively getting involved in fixing these problems?
adam crigler
None of them.
Exactly.
They're just screaming.
They're reeing from their corner.
tim pool
You know, one of the craziest things is, in 2015, a 62-year-old, I think he's 62, black guy in California started a non-profit called the Black Lives Matter Foundation.
adam crigler
Okay.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And now that they're trying to start the global network, an actual foundation from high-profile activists, they were shocked to discover somebody has already got the name.
Because the name was just a hashtag.
This dude said they didn't want to create a 501c3, so I did.
And his goal is to bring the police and the people together to mend these wounds.
adam crigler
That's great.
tim pool
So you know what the media is doing now?
adam crigler
What?
tim pool
Attacking him.
adam crigler
Really?
tim pool
Claiming he's not the real Black Lives Matter, and they've frozen the donations to his non-profit.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
That's messed up.
Yeah, that's crazy, dude.
adam crigler
That's so messed up.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
adam crigler
They don't want equality.
They don't want us on the same page.
They don't want us together.
We gotta fight that.
I think it's crazy that a lot of these people are feeding into it.
And I don't think it's the majority.
tim pool
It's definitely not the majority.
adam crigler
It's not!
tim pool
But I'll tell you what, man.
The majority that we're talking about, this like, this other group of I think, you know, 35 to 40 percent of people, don't care about anything.
adam crigler
You're right.
tim pool
And they're the ones who are going to show up with baseball bats and crowbars when you try and knock down their statues.
Cause they're going to be like, I don't know, none of that Trump stuff.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
None of that Hillary, whatever, man, you come into my neighborhood, you try to mess with my stuff.
We're going to get the boys and we're gonna go outside.
And they're going to have all their women with them too.
We're going to be filming and yelling and cheering them on.
That's what happened in Philly.
Like they're going to come out and be like, I don't know who you are.
I don't care.
I don't know about communism.
I don't know what you're talking about.
adam crigler
I don't care who you vote for.
tim pool
They're calling these people right now.
adam crigler
You're not taking down our neighborhood.
tim pool
Yup.
Yeah.
adam crigler
Period.
tim pool
Man.
adam crigler
That's going to be, that's going to happen everywhere.
tim pool
Definitely.
So I heard that in the Chicago suburbs, these outside people were coming to protest.
People from outside of these suburbs would come there and set up these protests and get people to march.
But the people marching didn't live there.
We're getting to the point now, after all these riots, that these outside groups are trying to come into these areas to protest.
And the locals are showing up and being like... That's exactly what I've been saying.
Like, what you doing?
adam crigler
Get out of our neighborhood.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
adam crigler
Yep.
Now, let's talk about the War on Drugs.
tim pool
The War on Drugs!
This is a very, very important one for all of you.
adam crigler
I think this is huge.
tim pool
Well, a question to all of you listening.
Should Trump pardon every federal inmate convicted on nonviolent marijuana-related charges?
That's my question for you.
adam crigler
76,826 votes on this poll here.
76,826 votes on this poll here.
tim pool
76,000 votes, 53.9.
8.4 said no.
27.2 said not every but some.
10.5 abstained, just wanted to see the results.
So that's over 80% of 76,000 people that think, yes, we should do that.
10.5 abstained, just wanted to see the results.
adam crigler
So that's over 80% of 76,000 people that think, yes, we should do that.
Even though a little bit of them are going, you know, maybe not all,
tim pool
but a lot of really good points were brought up in this.
uh... so sticks hexenhammer with the top slot says woke smeed ever uh... evity
ray uh... alright night six now we got jack murphy
jack murphy of uh... democratic deplorable fame here at the book yet
said what if trump legalized weed and released all non-violent we defenders
everyone saying yes the chat is lighting up yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes
adam crigler
dude trump's and i agree i think you should yeah he would he
tim pool
says that's leader leadership about capitulation
It's the moral high ground and on message for Trump.
Release the black men who are shamefully imprisoned over possessing a plant.
Leadership.
adam crigler
Yes.
tim pool
I love it.
adam crigler
A plant that was legal for the longest time.
tim pool
It's an excuse in a lot of ways to even lock people up and jam them up.
lydia smith
Yeah.
adam crigler
That is exactly what I was going to get to.
It is an excuse to lock people up and make make money.
It's like a money income situation for These small towns, big towns, cities, all of them.
tim pool
Look at all these yeses, man, this is great.
adam crigler
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Some no's, some no's.
adam crigler
I saw one no so far.
tim pool
But check this out, we got some good points that were brought up in this, right?
Vanilla Thrilla says, what about those with a history of violent crime that just happened to get nailed and convicted for weed?
I answered, not all but some, for what it's worth.
adam crigler
So wait, wait, wait.
Did they get convicted of a violent crime, do their time, and get let out?
tim pool
Exactly.
adam crigler
And then they got caught with some weed on them?
tim pool
Exactly.
adam crigler
So they did their time.
So what, we're gonna let go of that?
That if you mess up, do your time, and get out, that you did your time?
Exactly.
What does that have to do with it?
tim pool
It's a good point, though.
It's a good question.
adam crigler
Sure.
So a violent, but you said non-violent crime.
tim pool
And so the question is, what about people with a violent history who just happened to be caught on this one crime?
My response is, if you can't prove someone committed the other crime, it's irrelevant to me.
Yeah, they're totally separate.
If somebody, now Cassandra, Cassandra Fairbanks chimed in with actually a really good point.
This is tricky because a lot of them are on, a lot of them are other more serious crimes, but pleaded down.
That's a really good point.
adam crigler
So, it was recorded in the books as a non-violent crime.
tim pool
Yep.
adam crigler
Right, but the actual situation was, could have been violent, or?
tim pool
So, like, let's say somebody had a gun, and was, you know, a drug, they were slinging drugs, and they had a gun, and then they ran for it, and they were armed, and then, like, you know, stole someone's car or something.
Well, I guess that's, I guess that's violent.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's a lot.
unidentified
No, no, no, but.
adam crigler
Grand Theft Auto.
tim pool
But hold on, hold on.
And then they say something like, the cops say, okay, you stole a car, you know, at gunpoint, but if you tell us where you got the weed, we'll drop you down to possession and distribution.
And then they go, deal.
And now they're on the books as just possession and distribution, and then they get released because of that, and they're actually violent offenders.
adam crigler
But they helped bring down, they snitched, basically.
tim pool
It's just an issue of, there's a lot of cases where, like, Somebody may have been, you know, selling drugs and then robs a drug dealer and then the cops are like, we're going to get them on the drug charges.
It's going to be difficult to prove because the victims are other criminals who won't plead down to it.
However, I still lean towards, I don't like the idea of a justice system that plays the game of the trial tax.
Do you know what that is?
adam crigler
No, what is that?
tim pool
So, when they offer you lighter sentences to just give up.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
The problem with that is, because I've had it used against me before, so when I was, I got a false speeding ticket, cop pulled me over, I wasn't speeding, gave me a ticket.
Long story short, I didn't know anything about how the law worked, I was like 19 or so, and my sister paid the ticket for me, and as soon as that happened, it immediately suspended my license.
I received nothing in the mail, had no idea it even happened.
Ticket was paid, I had my license, I was fine, right?
Then I'm driving and I get pulled over and I get told I'm driving on a suspended license and that now I'm under arrest.
They did something in Illinois called an I-bond where they immediately arrest me and then release me on the spot.
Gave me my court date.
When I went to court, I was told that if I plead guilty, I can pay a fine of like 125 bucks and get court supervision.
But if I try to actually go to trial, they would fight for a year in jail.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
A full year.
That's the trial tax.
They said, hey, we're going to throw the book at you because you have an accepted responsibility.
And so when I was talking to the prosecutor, the DA, I was just completely honest.
And I said, can I just tell you what happened?
He goes, sure, what happened?
And I said, I received a ticket.
It was bunk, but I was visiting my sister on a military base at Fort Carson, Colorado.
And I was given the option to just pay the fine, so I did.
When I was driving back, I didn't receive any notice that my license was suspended, and I was coming home from visiting my sister.
My brother-in-law was overseas.
And then when I was coming back, I got pulled over.
And he goes, so you confessed to me that you were driving on a suspended license.
Yeah, that's a year in jail.
$2,500 fine.
If you plead guilty though, I'll go easy on you."
And I was like, what?
And then when I went up to the judge, he's like, I understand you'll be pleading guilty.
And I was like, yes, your honor.
And then he asked me these questions.
And one of them was, have you been coerced in any way to give this plea to the court?
I said, yes, your honor.
And he went, what?
And I was like, yes, your honor.
And he goes, someone coerced you to plead guilty?
And I went, yes.
I was like, I didn't do anything wrong, the guy told me he was going to put me in jail for a year.
And the judge goes, get a lawyer and come back.
And then the lawyer told me, I called the lawyer, I had to pay off the palace money, and he said, just plead guilty, it's the only thing you can do.
adam crigler
Wow.
tim pool
And the ticket I got on the whole thing was bunk, and the whole thing was BS.
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
I never got, and they said, ignorance of the law is no excuse for breaking it.
unidentified
Yes it is.
tim pool
So it's it's what?
Oh, right, right, right.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
So anyway, anyway.
adam crigler
Well, I want to I want to look at this.
We got to give it up to Elon.
Oh, so when when when Elon Musk says this is probably going to get me into trouble, but I feel like I have to say it and tweets that out.
I don't know how I don't know how long it was between the two tweets.
But then he goes, selling weed literally went from a major felony to essential businesses.
It's been open during the pandemic.
In much of America, and yet many people are still in prison.
It doesn't make sense, does it?
unidentified
I agree.
adam crigler
It isn't right.
tim pool
Look at this.
adam crigler
He's absolutely right.
tim pool
This is the opposite of a ratio.
adam crigler
It was an essential business!
People can't even run their own businesses, and yet weed pharmacies are open in legal places.
tim pool
Well, hold on, hold on.
This Elon Musk tweet is the opposite of a ratio.
Look at it.
It's got 176,000 retweets and 13,000 responses.
That is a 10 to 1 positive ratio of people being like, here, here, I'll tell you what.
If Trump, I really believe if Trump, you know what might happen though?
adam crigler
What?
tim pool
Trump's not going to give it all up right away.
adam crigler
No.
tim pool
If he came out right now and said, I'm just going to do it.
Why would anyone have to have an incentive to vote for me?
adam crigler
That's one of his, uh, his vote for me.
And I'm going to fight for this.
tim pool
He's going to, it's going to be like a month out and he's going to be like, I sat down with some top advisors, criminal reform, and we've decided to do a, an executive order releasing the overwhelming majority of inmates on nonviolent drug related offenses.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
He needs to do it.
adam crigler
He does.
tim pool
I agree.
I gotta say, man, I'm a big fan of the Portugal method.
I am very libertarian on this issue, and I don't mean Big L. Like, I'm lefty libertarian.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Legalize them all.
adam crigler
Yeah, I agree.
tim pool
Regulate control, help people.
Yes.
If somebody wants to do a drug or they're addicted, let them go somewhere to get cheap, effective, and clean treatment to help them better their lives.
adam crigler
That's a government program I can get behind.
Helping someone.
Why are you hooked on this?
Why do you feel you need this in your life?
tim pool
Not even government, though.
Think about it this way.
adam crigler
Yeah, open it up.
tim pool
I was, uh... There's a story that I read about an 18-year-old kid who went to college.
He got drunk.
He passed out.
His friend said, he looks really bad.
Just put him on the couch and lay him on his side.
He died.
He had alcohol poisoning.
And the reason nobody called 911 was because they were like...
We'll all get in trouble for underage drinking.
He'll be fine, just don't do anything.
And he died of alcohol poisoning.
lydia smith
Yep.
adam crigler
That's sad.
tim pool
And so there have been people trying to campaign to reduce the drinking age back to 18 because you have people who are literally adults living on their own who can't drink beer like everyone else, but they will!
And then they have no chance to go to the hospital out of fear of breaking the law.
So I look at drugs that way.
Let's say somebody's doing a hard drug.
And right now it's illegal.
What do they do?
They go to a scummy back alley shack, and they start putting it in their toes to hide it.
Now it's dirty, now there's diseases, now they're getting sick, and then they OD.
Someone from my neighborhood, a friend of mine, OD'd a long time ago.
And, dude, I can tell you a really creepy story, man.
I'm gonna tell you a really creepy story.
You wanna hear a really creepy story?
adam crigler
Well, now you gotta tell me.
tim pool
So let me just wrap up this one thought and I'll tell you how crazy this story is.
But if we had even private facilities that controlled the use of any drug, then you have someone come in, they're not going to OD because you've measured, you've calculated, and you've got someone watching and making sure they're doing all right.
And then guess what?
You can tax it.
You can control it.
When you ban things, you lose control of it.
The same thing is true for the speech on these platforms.
adam crigler
True.
tim pool
Like, this is what I've said, when they banned Sargon of Akkad from Patreon, I'm like, Patreon could have actually went to him and said, promise us you won't say this word again, you're good.
And he would have been like, you got it, no problem.
Instead, they were like, we're banning you outright with no recourse.
So what happens?
He has no incentive to do any better, you know, or do anything that they would consider to be better.
He just carries on like normal.
In fact, it actually pushes people into the darkness because they have nowhere else to go.
So, anyway, that's my position on this, but I want to tell you a crazy story.
adam crigler
Oh, do tell.
tim pool
But this is just a weird... Listen, man.
So, at this point, it may be... It's from my neighborhood.
It's from a decade plus ago.
You know, 15 years ago or whatever.
adam crigler
You mean Chicago?
tim pool
Chicago.
South side of Chicago.
And this is the story as it was told to me.
And I think, just to be fair, they may have embellished because they wanted the story to be true.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
But there was one dude in my neighborhood who was...
He was always working. He worked at a fast-food restaurant, and he always worked late shifts
Just always worked people would hit him up. Hey, can you come over now? I'm working and be like you sure man
We're gonna go out and we're gonna go to party. He's like no
I'm working till like 1 in the morning because he worked at a Taco Bell. Okay, so one day
For no reason he goes to his boss, and he says I'm not feeling good
I feel I just I gotta go home man. I'm not feeling good and And the boss was like, you sure?
Like, you always work extra shifts, you always pick up late hours.
Hey man, look, if, you know, whenever I've needed your help, you've always picked up shifts, so if you need to take some time off right now for whatever reason, just go.
Really, really strange, in the middle of his shift, he just said, I gotta leave, I don't feel good.
He didn't go home.
He started walking down Archer Avenue, and he walked two miles to another one of our friends' house, and he doesn't know why.
He doesn't know why he took off work.
And he showed up, and what did he find?
Two of our friends OD'd in a car.
And then he called 911, and they saved him, and they said, if you didn't get here by the time you did, these guys would be dead.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
And then one of our friends was like, bro, weren't you working tonight?
And he was like, yeah.
And they were like, why'd you leave work?
He's like, I don't know, man.
Like, why did you, you walked out of work, you never do that.
And he was freaking out and he was like, bro, I don't know.
I just, I just felt like I had to come here, dude.
And then what did he find?
Now I'll tell you what, it's a crazy story.
So I kind of like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, maybe it's just like, I don't know.
Right.
But a lot, I think a lot of people want to believe that there was some kind of divine intervention that saved those guys lives.
adam crigler
I think humans have abilities that they have yet to tap because we're just so comfortable in our lives right now.
We have no reason to be pushed to use these abilities.
I don't know what it would be, but it's an intuition, if you will.
Your instincts follow your gut.
I've had so many instances where I didn't follow my gut, and I'm like, man, maybe I should stop skateboarding
right now.
And then you get hurt.
And then, boom, I get hit by a car and fracture my cheekbone.
tim pool
That happened?
adam crigler
Straight up.
Wow.
I had the instincts, and I was like, man, I should probably take it easy,
chill for a little bit, but no, boom, get hit by a cab like a half a block later.
tim pool
Here's the crazy thing.
Depending on who you talk to about that story, you'll get different responses.
Obviously, when I would talk to my religious friends, they'd be like, bro, that's a guardian angel right there.
That's God.
That's, you know, that's the Lord saving the lives, invoking that man to do something he wouldn't normally do to be the miracle.
My hippie friends are like, bro, dude, premonition.
unidentified
He could see it.
adam crigler
Quantum entanglement.
tim pool
And it's, right, just like, and I'm like, yeah, or like, it's just, it happens.
Sometimes it rains.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
It's still a crazy story.
I love that story.
adam crigler
And I'm like, it's a good story.
tim pool
It really could just be embellished because everybody loves a good story.
But I can tell you the bulk of it is true.
They were found.
They got pulled out.
He like sprayed him with a hose.
Then like they got Narcan and they were like, these guys would have been dead, man.
adam crigler
Wow.
tim pool
If you didn't just show up randomly.
And some people took it to a dark place, and to me it was like, nah, they hit him up and they were like, we're gonna score, you wanna come by?
And I'm like, they were OD'd.
They were in the car already.
They weren't waiting for him.
That's why I don't buy it.
And this dude worked all the time, he never took off work.
Why would you assume that he wanted to get in on it when he was the one who never left work?
I'm not saying the guy was a good dude or anything, but he worked at a fast food restaurant and he always worked late.
The one time.
That's crazy, right?
Yeah, who knows?
Sometimes people win the lottery, you know what I mean?
adam crigler
It's true.
tim pool
But I think a lot of people like stories like that.
They want to believe them because it gives you something.
There's something bigger than you.
Maybe there's a purpose.
Maybe there's something we can't see.
You call it abilities, gut intuition or something.
Some people might think it's divine or some kind of, you know, hidden force guiding us and keeping us safe.
adam crigler
Or a mix of both.
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
Yeah.
adam crigler
I mean, I don't know what happens after I die, but I'll tell you what, when I die, I'll know.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
Or you won't because the concept of knowing is in your human body, man.
adam crigler
That's exactly true.
tim pool
Do you remember what it was like before you were born?
adam crigler
Nope.
unidentified
Exactly.
lydia smith
Oh, I hate this question.
tim pool
Right?
lydia smith
Because I was like... Why?
unidentified
Why?
lydia smith
I don't know what happened.
I don't know what was going on before I was born either.
And for all I know, it's just going to be like that after I die.
adam crigler
But why do you hate that though?
lydia smith
It goes counter to everything that I was raised with.
adam crigler
Well, you know what?
I don't know, but I do know one thing that is absolutely true.
I am alive right now.
Here I am.
I'm here speaking to you.
I'm alive.
I'm so happy to be alive.
I love this planet.
I love the sun.
Praise the sun!
tim pool
Big ball of energy keeping that grass growing, and that fruit's coming, and we eat various forms of it.
We are all just comprised of various amalgamations of random solar energy.
lydia smith
Carbon.
This is why I like stoicism, because their focus is on every single second.
You live in the moment.
You don't worry about the future, you don't fret about the past, and you don't waste time on regrets.
You spend every moment in the moment, and that's the way to do it.
I'm like, I don't really see a better way to do it.
There's nothing better than that.
tim pool
I think we, man, you know I love having conversations about time, reality, purpose.
adam crigler
Wasn't that what our show was supposed to be about?
tim pool
No, but it was partly.
adam crigler
Kind of.
lydia smith
Part of it, yeah.
tim pool
We're doing it right now, what do you mean?
We're on the show talking about, and I'm so happy.
unidentified
I know, I love it so much.
adam crigler
I'm so happy right now.
unidentified
It's so great.
adam crigler
Look, when it comes to- Oh man.
tim pool
Let me tell you something.
Let me tell you something.
This segment we're doing right now is about pot.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
We totally just had a stoner conversation.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah.
Oh, for sure.
tim pool
With no pot needed.
adam crigler
You know, people do say you're the bigger stoner than me.
Totally.
tim pool
Not true.
adam crigler
Which is pretty hilarious.
tim pool
Absolutely not true.
adam crigler
Come on.
Really?
tim pool
I don't smoke.
unidentified
Oh, wait.
adam crigler
Hold on.
tim pool
I mean, literally.
lydia smith
Wait.
unidentified
Oh.
lydia smith
Oh.
Hippy?
tim pool
He's taking his... There we go.
unidentified
There we go.
Okay.
adam crigler
Yeah, there's... There we go.
What do you think about that?
I don't smoke.
tim pool
I don't smoke.
I don't drink.
No drugs.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
I've never needed drugs.
unidentified
None of that stuff.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's true.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
To go back to that story, because I did mention maybe it was embellished, I think it happened, but I think people are looking deeper into it because they want to have some meaning or they want to believe.
They want to believe that everything's going to be okay.
People are scared of dying for obvious reasons, like everything that's alive for the most part.
adam crigler
Life ends.
We gotta cherish that.
We gotta stop being afraid of things.
Thicker skin.
Confidence.
tim pool
You only get one life, man.
lydia smith
Live in the moment.
adam crigler
So I'll say it one more time.
Cancel participation trophies.
lydia smith
Excellent advice from Adam.
adam crigler
Seriously, that's a big reason.
That's part of it.
We're teaching our kids that you don't have to fight to survive.
We have fought to survive for so long.
That's what humans do.
That's why we took over this planet.
lydia smith
Yeah, man.
tim pool
Could you imagine living in a world where these people take over and life is no- there's no journey anymore?
adam crigler
That's- I mean, that's happening.
tim pool
Everybody thinks that- you know, they say things like the ends justify the means, but it's not true because you never meet the end.
No matter where you are in life, you're always like- you're always looking off in the distance.
You're chasing the dragon, man.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
So what world would they create?
Where everyone sits around in a circle in a grey jumpsuit with shaved heads and just does nothing?
lydia smith
Exists.
tim pool
Eats their green cube of protein mass?
adam crigler
What's that movie, Equilibrium?
Have you seen that?
tim pool
No emotions.
adam crigler
No emotions.
Just grey NPCs living... for what?
tim pool
That's what it's all about, man.
They're banning art.
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
Alright, how about we do some Super Chats?
lydia smith
Yes!
unidentified
Woo!
adam crigler
Smash that like button!
unidentified
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
tim pool
I'm sorry.
lydia smith
He's maxing out his finger.
I'm not sorry.
adam crigler
So, smash it.
tim pool
Give it a little tap there like that.
unidentified
No, smash!
tim pool
Smash that subscribe button.
lydia smith
The subscribe button.
unidentified
Smash!
tim pool
Smash that notification bell and then make sure you click alert me via email or whatever it is that pops up.
All right, we got some super chats.
We're gonna start with... So we're gonna try and read as many as we can.
adam crigler
Oh, man.
lydia smith
Let's do it.
tim pool
Oh, did it just erase some?
No.
unidentified
No!
adam crigler
I hope not.
I hope not.
Sorry if it did.
tim pool
DeplorablePirateCaptainGunbeard says, Sierra Papa India November... Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Hold on.
What?
lydia smith
Spin.
tim pool
S-P-I-N.
lydia smith
I'm tracking.
adam crigler
No, no, you gotta read the whole thing, though.
lydia smith
Yeah, okay.
tim pool
Sierra, Papa, India, November, Tango, Hotel, Echo, Uniform, Foxtrot, Oscar.
lydia smith
I love it!
adam crigler
That is great.
tim pool
For all of you listening right now, I want you to know this.
I want you to understand the privilege that is we at Timcast IRL.
You see, someone just gave us $10 to spend 10 seconds spinning a UFO Whoa.
That is privilege.
lydia smith
That is amazing.
tim pool
Seriously, thank you so much.
adam crigler
Gotta spin it for ya.
Yep.
tim pool
Fiend5 just says, Timmy.
King Canucks says, took me forever to find the stream today.
Love you guys.
You lost the game.
I recommend doing stickers of your patterns too.
Laptops, boards, etc.
It'd be great.
Have a great night all three of you.
That is a really, really good idea.
We should definitely do some Harumph stickers.
lydia smith
Ooh, Redbubble.
I'm on it.
tim pool
Redbubble?
lydia smith
Yeah, that's the company.
adam crigler
I don't know what that means.
tim pool
Failsris says, what are your guys' thoughts on the two incidents with North Korea, South Korea, India, and China?
Well, we did a segment on it, so I think, you know.
adam crigler
Well, that was, yeah, in the past, so.
tim pool
Michael Smith says, Dems just voted no to amend, refusing funding to police departments that allow police union coal barge agree?
What is, I don't know what that means.
That destroy police discipline records and allow fired officers to get other jobs.
unidentified
Hmm.
adam crigler
I don't know much about it.
tim pool
Yeah. Cole Erdman says, speaking of Trump, what do you think would be better for him?
Sending in the National Guard or having the CIA, FBI and other Fed agencies arrest Antifa leaders
and riot rioters secretly? I think the people who should be arrested should be charged appropriately
and they should be arrested for the crimes they've committed. We know they've committed.
However, it has to be a federal crime.
That's the issue.
So a lot of these instances, if we're dealing with state line crossings and stuff like that, then perhaps Trump would need to send in federal law enforcement.
If it comes to the overt rioting that won't stop, then I don't know if the Insurrection Act is the right move.
I tweeted about Trump needing to, you know, to get up and do something.
And a lot of people were claiming that I was calling for the military.
I'm like, no, I'm saying he should do something.
Because he gave up and he made one statement about the Insurrection Act and nothing really happened.
He did the police reform thing, and I'm like, OK, OK, all right.
The police reform thing.
adam crigler
Sure.
But then you have the mayor of Seattle going, this is great.
We want this to happen.
unidentified
Yep.
adam crigler
So what is he supposed to do?
I mean, that's your mayor.
You voted that person in.
That's what they want.
OK.
tim pool
That's true.
So he did do something.
That's true. So he did do something. Right, exactly. And that's why I'm like, I was like, what's he doing?
And then he did something. I'm like, all right, that's it.
Like what I want to say like he did something.
Yeah, a lot of people weren't happy because they said that he was capitulating that it was like, here's police reform.
But I think that if you have someone who's gonna enact real leadership, it's not gonna be in favor of just one faction.
He's got to find something that can actually be, you know, amicable for both sides.
And so he tried to find a way to defend police and respect them while also implementing a program that could, you know, that could actually, I actually think the police reform thing had some really good ideas.
The idea being that police departments will be eligible for grants if they adhere to certain guidelines is a positive.
adam crigler
Yeah, I like that.
tim pool
So it's like, you do this and you get some loot.
It's a positive reinforcement.
adam crigler
Yeah, I like that.
tim pool
Yeah, so there you go.
That's that's that was my point.
adam crigler
Word.
tim pool
De La Mar says you three need to watch PCU from 1994 with Jeremy Priven about PC culture in the 90s and colleges.
Live through it.
You'll get a laugh.
Was based on Wesleyan Uni.
What is that?
Wesleyan University in Connecticut.
Interesting.
Yeah, it's crazy.
says I hear that Atlanta DA has some misgivings on his own right and he and
he had the sheer audacity of pressing charges when video evidence puts the cop
unidentified
clearly in the right that's why this is scary yeah it's crazy
tim pool
hell says question for the beanie how much longer before we will be allowed to
submit we've had enough and are willing to accept a world ruled by by
comfortable headwear are you saying submit to the beanie yeah
Go buy beanies.
lydia smith
Go ahead, do it now.
adam crigler
Submit to the beanie.
tim pool
Elijah says, expressing my support for you guys since y'all seem to be the most sane in these insane times.
Recently graduated from Air Force Basic and it seems like the world just fell apart.
Spin the UFO.
adam crigler
I'mma spin it for ya.
tim pool
Spin that UFO.
adam crigler
Thank you for your service.
tim pool
Marius, thanks for becoming a member.
Hooligan Broom, thanks for joining.
Some Civvie says, Well, I don't like the cult of wokeness values because they don't know anything.
They're walking around being like, Did you hear about the man who killed the guy who was sleeping in his car at the Wendy's?
society is deconstructed and catastrophe follows, until leadership is reshaped and our values
redefined.
Well, I don't like the cult of wokeness values because they don't know anything.
They're walking around being like, did you hear about the man who killed the guy who
was sleeping in his car at the Wendy's?
What an evil man.
unidentified
And then when you're like, oh my gosh, blazing saddles, they say the N word.
tim pool
And then you're like, oh actually the guy in the car was drunk, resisted, beat two cops, stole a weapon, and fired at him.
That didn't happen, you're lying.
adam crigler
There's a video of it.
tim pool
No, it's not, you're lying.
I don't watch videos.
adam crigler
The video was doctored.
tim pool
You're a conspiracy theorist.
adam crigler
I don't need to see the video, Tim.
I know that they killed him.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
On purpose.
tim pool
That's why it's like, what do you do?
What do you do when people who are like, I don't read the news and I don't want to?
adam crigler
I don't understand that.
tim pool
Is that real?
says, Hey, Tim, did you know that every time I've tuned in this week for the podcast, it's
been a Joe Biden for president ad that plays even funnier.
He stumbles through the words and has a gap in five seconds. Is that, does he really, is
adam crigler
that real? Is that a thing?
tim pool
Oh, I don't know about the ad, but I'll tell you what.
adam crigler
Smash the like button?
tim pool
Sure.
But one of the things I absolutely love about how YouTube's ads work is that I have nothing to do with the advertisements that appear on my channel.
YouTube just randomly assigns them.
adam crigler
Yeah, it's funny.
And it's like, if they're going to show a Joe Biden ad and listen to us at all, they'll be like, wow, Joe Biden is a joke.
tim pool
Exactly.
But they want that.
Because when we talk bad about Biden, they want their positive message on top of it, right?
I love this.
You know why?
adam crigler
Sure.
And buddy gaffs and stumbles through it.
Sure, sure, but check this out.
tim pool
Proving our point.
So I have some sponsors that I do, like out of the, what do I do?
180 or more, 200 videos.
Well, now it's like 300.
Six of them will have a sponsor spot.
So I do very few, but I actually read this and I only do sponsor spots for things that I actually think are legit.
adam crigler
That's how I would do it.
tim pool
So I recently added something, it's like a collagen stuff.
It's literally just collagen.
It's a company that does a collagen powder.
And I'm like, I actually need that because I've been skating so much and I'm an old man.
I'm 34.
That's ancient in skateboarding, man.
lydia smith
For real.
Skateboarding years.
unidentified
Like, oh my knees!
tim pool
I gotta jump off a building, can't do it.
So the point is, I have to actually endorse this, right?
Where I'm like, I like this product, I really do.
It actually is good.
It makes the smoothies taste kind of creamy.
adam crigler
I'm going to take this moment to say, Field Roast, you should sponsor me because I'm spreading the chow cheese word.
tim pool
Anyway, here's the point.
adam crigler
No, no, no, no.
Field Roast.
Hey!
tim pool
Holla!
Holla at your boy!
If Joe Biden came to me and said, oh, Tim, we want to give you the money for the, you know, the, you know, the thing on the YouTube, I'd be like, I am not going to read a positive message about Joe Biden.
I'm sorry.
adam crigler
Nope.
tim pool
However, I still get those sweet, sweet Biden bucks because he wants to run his ads on my videos where then you get to listen to the ad and then I get to say something like Joe Biden is demented and is out of his mind and you would be nuts to vote for him.
adam crigler
Yeah, right.
tim pool
So thank you for your money, Joe.
lydia smith
That's great.
We appreciate it.
tim pool
So, somebody mentioned that, who was that rich guy?
Tom Steyer, I think?
Yeah.
Ads were appearing on my channel, and Bloomberg!
adam crigler
And I'm like... Oh yeah, I remember this.
tim pool
Look man, if Bloomberg... First of all, if Bloomberg wants to put his ad on my video, I like the idea that people will get a counterpoint to what I'm about to say.
That's a good point.
And I have no problem taking his money to badmouth him.
You know what I mean?
adam crigler
Yeah, that was like right when we started this show.
lydia smith
Yeah, that was a while ago.
adam crigler
Bloomberg?
Yeah, Bloomberg books were coming in.
tim pool
What an awful man.
adam crigler
What an awful man.
lydia smith
Don't miss him at all.
tim pool
Yeah.
Merrick says, I am very good at magic.
adam crigler
It's Merock.
tim pool
Merock.
adam crigler
What up, Merock?
tim pool
He says, I'm very good at magic.
adam crigler
He is very good at magic.
lydia smith
Is he?
adam crigler
Yes.
tim pool
He's a big ol' super chit.
adam crigler
That's my homie.
tim pool
All right.
adam crigler
What up, dawg?
tim pool
Thank you for the super chit.
John DeLonge says, thank you, appreciate it.
Outlaw Bear says, America is screwed if a cop defending his life is charged with murder.
A man who protects himself from an angry mob is arrested.
When cops are leaving en masse, we're walking a fine line right now.
I don't think we're walking a fine line.
I think it's like we're falling off a cliff.
adam crigler
Some people are walking the fine line, but there's many people out there that are standing firm going, wait until you cross the line.
And you're even going as much as saying, I dare you to cross the line.
Come over here and cross the line.
I'm seeing it.
And we're going to see it more and more as the days go on.
tim pool
Everything in this country could end, all the rioting and the craziness, if the Atlanta PD en masse has a blue flu.
lydia smith
I think you're right.
adam crigler
We'll see.
tim pool
Because then the rest of the country will get a cold wake up call to what happens when the cops are like, you don't want us, you don't need us.
adam crigler
Bye bye.
Yep.
We'll see.
tim pool
Gus says, Tim, did you see Vice News reports live in CHOP Seattle?
They were showing how peaceful it is.
Yeah, Vice used to be all about the edgy darkness and now it's all about— It's CHAS.
adam crigler
It will forever be CHAS.
lydia smith
In our hearts, yeah, for sure.
tim pool
The jazz shop.
unidentified
Jazz shop.
Jazz.
tim pool
Desmond says, answering earlier question, Founding Fathers would say, we warned you about cities and newspapers.
We're catching a ride with Elon to start a new republic on Mars.
adam crigler
Occupy Mars.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
James says, Adam, please check out the Commonwealth series by Peter F. Hamilton.
Best sci-fi series I've ever read.
Pandora's Star is the first book.
unidentified
Cool.
adam crigler
All right.
I'll check it out.
tim pool
Didactics with David Lopez says, I have been a viewer since day one.
Seeing Adam gradually get into politics and have a rational viewpoint is one of the best parts of the show.
lydia smith
It's great, right?
adam crigler
Thank you so much.
I like logic.
I live my life with logic.
tim pool
Well, you're being slammed by people on Twitter who are like, hear my thoughts.
And then you're reading them.
adam crigler
Well, I mean, I'm also taking a logical standpoint because not all of them are logical statements.
No, for sure.
unidentified
No?
On Twitter?
lydia smith
Are you sure?
adam crigler
So, I mean, and not all of them agree with me.
lydia smith
Yeah.
adam crigler
So, I'm getting all sides of everything and that's fine.
I still will live with logic and that's how I live my life.
tim pool
This one's for you, Adam.
unidentified
Okay.
lydia smith
Oh, boy.
tim pool
Bradley Poole says, wait till those Participation Trophy kids grow up.
Welcome to 2020.
Enjoy your stay.
That's us.
lydia smith
Yep.
adam crigler
Yep.
That's it.
tim pool
Every kid who said, I want a prize for doing nothing.
adam crigler
Yep, that's who's out there LARPing.
They all got their prizes and they're like, look at my prize!
tim pool
The healthcare is a human right.
lydia smith
Oh gosh, yeah.
tim pool
Do you know what negative and positive rights are?
Are you familiar with those terms?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
So, a negative right to life would be that I can't kill you.
A positive right to life would mean that if you were dying, I would be obligated to save you.
You see the problem with that?
Like, if I'm walking down the street and I see you spazzing out, I have no obligation to save your life.
Now, if I see you walking down the street and you have a negative right to life, I am obligated not to kill you.
Negative rights are great.
Positive rights get freaky.
And the left right now is advocating for hardcore positive rights.
Like, we should get these things.
Like, we should have a right to this thing.
adam crigler
Man, all those people drive me crazy because they have no idea the amount of things they already have.
lydia smith
Yeah, exactly.
adam crigler
Wait till those things are taken away from you and you're going to have an eye opening.
tim pool
Did I ever tell you the favela story when I was covering for Vice?
adam crigler
I kind of know about this, yeah.
tim pool
So, I went to a favela, it's a shanty, it's Brazilian shanty towns, and I was talking to, like, a mother, and they couldn't flush their toilets.
Like, their toilet was just stacked.
It was gross.
They were like, here's, I was like, you have a bathroom?
Like, yeah, there you go.
And they pointed, I'm like, that's okay, I'll wait.
adam crigler
I can't imagine it.
tim pool
She asked, in Portuguese, she said, why are the rich people in America protesting?
And I was confused.
adam crigler
How long ago was this?
tim pool
This was 2013.
Yeah, this was like 2013.
Okay.
So it was like, Occupy was mostly over, but it was still kind of, you know, flickering here and there.
And she was like, she asked the question, the translator who then asked me, she's like, oh, she says, why are the rich people in America protesting?
And I was like, there's no rich people in America protesting, what do you mean?
And then he asked her, and then she mentions Occupy Wall Street.
And he goes, she's talking about Occupy Wall Street.
And I said, no, I mean, the Occupy Wall Street people are like college kids, and people who are upset about the financial collapse, and they're like, they're young.
And then I was like, it's not the rich people, the rich people are the ones they're protesting against.
And then he tells her this, she starts laughing, says something, and he goes, she says, all Americans are rich.
I'm like, standing here in this shantytown where they can't flush a toilet, and I'm like, uh-huh.
lydia smith
Yeah, you're right.
tim pool
And I just laughed.
adam crigler
You got me there.
I got nothing.
You're absolutely right.
You can't even flush your toilet.
We have toilets.
We flush our poop away.
tim pool
You want to know where their poop goes?
adam crigler
Where?
Out on the street?
tim pool
No, no, no, hold on.
You can watch the interview where I interviewed the gang member.
It's called Contra A Copa.
Okay.
It was published in 2014.
Oh, was it Contra A Copa?
No, when I was there, this was in 2013 during the bus strikes.
adam crigler
Where does the poop go, Tim?
Where does it go?
tim pool
Oh, no.
unidentified
No!
tim pool
Oh, man.
unidentified
That's how you get the black plague.
adam crigler
Have you ever seen Envy, the movie Envy?
unidentified
No.
adam crigler
Where does the poop go?
Oh, it's a funny movie.
unidentified
Oh, man.
tim pool
Yeah, but I interviewed a Brazilian gang leader and we're standing on a bridge over the poop canal.
lydia smith
No.
tim pool
As he's talking about what's going on and stuff.
I think I have a photo of the poop canal actually on my Instagram.
lydia smith
Oh, I'm gonna have to look it up.
tim pool
And look, I mean no disrespect to them.
She wasn't trying to dig at me.
She was just saying like... She was saying the truth.
Yeah.
adam crigler
Comparatively, it's true.
tim pool
In her mind, America is a bunch of rich people who are complaining.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
And when I explained what Occupy was, she thought it was hilarious.
adam crigler
I would too if I was in her situation.
tim pool
The rich people, could you imagine?
It's funny, I imagine someone living in a small town where their factory closed and they make very little money and they're poor, in a trailer for instance, and they look to the news and it's a bunch of rich trust fund kids in New York protesting and you have to be like, what are they doing?
unidentified
Alright, let's read some more.
tim pool
Brian says, cities and states have been diversity hiring and promoting for the past 10 years.
And Atlanta is what happens when government HR departments get woke.
ATL was ransomware a few years ago, and it came out the IT people were all Phoenix U grads.
Wow, man.
Aereo says, hey, pool party.
Take some of what is left of my Trump bucks and keep on keeping on.
I'm a little busy at the moment, so I'll miss the live, but I'll re-watch it later tonight.
I hope it's a great show as always. Appreciate it.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
Ryan Rigsby says, keep up the good work. Appreciate it.
Skywriter says, have any of you ever played Ratchet Deadlock?
The villain is the CEO of a company called Vox, and the running gag is all the fake news leveled against the main character Ratchet.
Looking back, it feels more like a prophecy.
The game released in 2005.
adam crigler
I never heard of it.
tim pool
Never heard of it.
Was it a PlayStation?
adam crigler
No, I don't know.
tim pool
Let's say, uh, Lior Egglestein says, hot take on Twitter.
The only way to be 100% sure that your food mascots aren't racist is to make them all white.
Wow.
Yeah.
lydia smith
Technically correct.
tim pool
But they'll come for you after that.
It won't matter.
adam crigler
Well, if it's all white, then it's not, uh, diverse enough.
Then you're canceled anyway.
tim pool
Just make it yellow.
adam crigler
Cancel everything.
tim pool
I was gonna say smiley face, but then I realized like yellow is also racist.
adam crigler
Just make it vegetables.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
Or a blade of grass.
tim pool
A blade of grass.
adam crigler
I don't know.
What else have we got?
tim pool
I got it.
You know what a zentai suit is?
No, what?
It's like a spandex suit that covers every inch of your body.
You ever see It's Always Sunny with the Green Man?
adam crigler
Yeah, I know what you're talking about.
tim pool
Yeah, and so he's like dancing.
That's it.
That's your mascot.
The Green Man.
Now look.
adam crigler
Or a wacky, wild, inflatable, arm-waving... I can't do it.
tim pool
How about it's a person, but they're wearing a giant cardboard box over their body and a cardboard over their head, but you can see their feet wearing shoes, so you can't tell if it's a man or a woman.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
You can't tell their height or race.
unidentified
Nice.
tim pool
And there you go.
Non-descript human.
lydia smith
Yep.
adam crigler
What a fun life.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's great.
adam crigler
Yeah.
lydia smith
I'm excited.
tim pool
Ma says, let the police boycott crime and see how long before people scream about it.
A couple hours?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
The Murray Hill riots was like 16 hours?
And, hmm, they didn't... Limousine company got burnt down by the rival taxi company?
adam crigler
It's gonna happen.
tim pool
That's the funniest part, man.
Carnell says, hey Tim, did you hear a Chazz community member defended theft after a citizen reported his computer, food supplies, and $400 stolen?
It was claimed to be considered as an unplanned donation to the Chazz.
Here's the problem.
People were saying, is this a troll post?
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Because they couldn't tell.
Someone's tent got robbed of everything.
They posted about it and someone responded, please don't take it out on the community members.
Someone needed that more than you did.
You need to understand, you know, blah blah blah.
Wow. And it was serious.
We don't know.
adam crigler
Still.
tim pool
So it may as well be serious.
You ever see that Shen comic?
You know Shen?
adam crigler
No.
tim pool
He made a comic where it's like his guy, his character, walks up to his bike rack and his bike is gone.
And then he says, so my bike got stolen today.
And I was upset about it at first.
But then I realized, whoever stole it probably needed it more than I did.
So I guess they were happier to get it than I was sad to lose it.
So the overall happiness in the world went up.
lydia smith
Dude, that comic made my blood boil.
I was like, are you freaking kidding me?
Give me a break.
tim pool
And then it became a huge meme that was ridiculous where, yeah, he was like, I'm being beaten by a bunch of, you know, gangbangers, but they probably are happier to beat me than I am sad to get beaten.
So it's like, dude, it's logic.
lydia smith
Just gotta follow it through.
tim pool
But yeah, so this is the logic we're now seeing in the Chaz.
Your stuff wasn't stolen.
It was redistributed to the community.
That's what they said.
It was redistributed to the community.
adam crigler
No, it wasn't.
tim pool
Someone not from Chaz went in your tent, stole your stuff, and left with it.
They didn't need it more than you, they sold it, and then they bought food.
unidentified
Or a bike.
Or drugs.
tim pool
Let's see.
Ryan E says, I hope you guys got my old Intel Squadron patches and coin.
Thank you for all the work you do, Tim.
Thank you, Adam, for being the voice of every average American.
And thank you, Lydia, for spicy memes.
adam crigler
Keep it up.
Thank you so much.
I try.
tim pool
We did get the coin.
It has like the bottle opener on it, right?
I think.
adam crigler
Oh, I saw that.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
The patches.
adam crigler
Right on.
tim pool
For sure.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Zachary Bird says, the double think from the media is only going to get worse as the election gets closer.
This country needs to don their mental armor and be prepared to question everything they hear and read.
Also, spin the UFO.
lydia smith
Do it.
tim pool
The UFO shall be spun.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Lucas says, do you think the counterfeit bill Floyd used was a China buck?
We talked about that because it wasn't too far away from Milwaukee where money was coming in.
But, you know, there's no real way to tell for sure.
And to be honest, there's a lot of counterfeit money all over the place.
adam crigler
There's so many conspiracies going on about all that.
unidentified
For sure.
adam crigler
It's just like, I don't even know what is going on anymore.
tim pool
There's a really interesting Medium post explaining why Chauvin and the rest of them are going to get off.
They're not going to be convicted at all.
adam crigler
Really?
tim pool
It's really interesting.
Because it talks about police procedure.
It talks about what the lawyer, the defense, will actually be able to argue.
And the defense is a very, very good argument.
Really good.
The coroner's report is going to be reasonable doubt.
Easily.
Because the coroner's report said that he was suffering from a heart issue as well as being on drugs.
So, right then, that's doubt.
Did he die from the drugs?
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
And you're trying to get him on second-degree murder, but he died from the drugs?
It wasn't murder.
So, it's gonna be oof.
adam crigler
We'll see, yeah.
tim pool
VillaMusicDude says, Don't you think replacing the police with civil guard is kind of like Animal Farm?
No chain of command?
You replace those in power that are corrupt, and then you eventually become the corrupt authority.
Haven't we seen similarities like that in the Chaz?
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
I'm not saying there wouldn't be a chain of command.
There would be.
You know, like the Civil Guard would just be the menial labor that the police normally do.
adam crigler
It's the same thing.
They're trying to replace it with the same thing.
tim pool
No, I disagree.
The Civil Guard don't have guns.
The Civil Guard have a ticket book.
adam crigler
Well, we can create that anyway.
tim pool
We can create, as part of the police department, community response units or whatever.
adam crigler
I mean, we lived in New York.
There's plenty of police officers that are just ticket officers.
They weren't armed.
They didn't have a gun.
tim pool
But they don't respond to things like a homeless person or like a drug issue.
The regular cops do and the cops are armed and it escalates.
I guess the challenge is you'd see a lot of dead civil guard.
Probably.
Because you know you might you might say like what they're arguing is somebody needs mental
health.
The meme going around on the left is but what if we get rid of the police?
What do we replace it with?
And it's like, how would you... Oh, what's that?
You're sick?
Do you need a social worker?
You're hungry?
Oh, do you need someone to bring you food?
And I'm like, uh, okay.
Let's say you got a crazy homeless guy.
And he's like, you know, Beavis.
Pulls his shirt up and he starts going like... He's walking around with his hands up or whatever.
And then you say, it's a crazy homeless guy.
So the civil guard shows up or the community response guy shows up and he says, are you okay?
And the guy goes, man!
unidentified
He pulls out a knife and goes... Yeah.
adam crigler
They are crazy.
lydia smith
It's not that simple.
tim pool
Right, and that's why police are armed with weapons.
Not because they want to kill people.
Because sometimes people are crazy.
Yep.
I think everybody thinks they know the answer.
That's a sad reality.
adam crigler
And they always think they know the answer.
tim pool
And they're not cops.
adam crigler
Nobody knows all the answers.
There's way too many of us.
There's billions of us.
tim pool
Reminds me of, in a recent segment on the Joe Rogan podcast, People were ragging on Joe because he's routinely talked about masks.
He said something like, you know, he mocked the idea of wearing masks.
And Bill Burr said, he's like, I'm not going to do this.
I'm not going to sit here with no medical degree, listening to you with no medical degree, talk about whether we need masks or not.
Look, I watch the news like once every two weeks.
I turn it on.
Are we doing masks?
We're doing masks.
I'm going to wear a mask.
Yeah.
And Joe laughs about it.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And then everyone laughs about it.
Okay.
adam crigler
That was pretty good, Bill Burr.
tim pool
I'm not gonna do this right now.
adam crigler
Not bad.
tim pool
I'm not gonna sit here, not being a cop, talk to you, who's also not a cop, about what it's like to be a cop.
unidentified
Right.
adam crigler
Exactly.
lydia smith
Amen.
Thank you, Bill.
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
Even though we literally just did two hours.
adam crigler
I mean, but that is exactly what we were saying, though.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
Like, how can any of these people that are out crying for all this stuff know what it's like to be in a cop's shoes?
They don't.
So that's why I'm saying go be a cop then.
Go get into your community and do something about it.
tim pool
Watch how fast they do everything the exact same way.
adam crigler
They will understand at least.
They'll at least understand.
tim pool
Well, the problem with that is these activists are ideologues.
And so then they're gonna start selectively enforcing things like they want to.
That's why it's like, maybe they shouldn't be cops, you know what I mean?
adam crigler
I don't think that's the people I'm talking to.
I don't think those are the people that will ever think so, because those are the people that believe everything should just be done for them.
Do it, do it!
Why aren't you doing it the way I want it?
I want to fight, but I don't want to do anything.
I want everything handed to me.
tim pool
I want to complain.
adam crigler
Those aren't the people that are going to be like, you know what?
I think I can make a difference.
tim pool
I think a lot of people become cops because they want to make a difference.
And then people who don't understand what it's like...
Yeah.
Oh man, I read that tweet.
their job. It's really funny man when I hear these ridiculously stupid stories
one woman was like when I was 15 I stole a bunch of stuff from a mall and then I
was running from the cops as they screamed and I got a slap on the wrist.
adam crigler
Oh man I read that that tweet. That's stupid. And I'm like this I looked her up this lady
tim pool
grew up in an ethnically homogenous moderately wealthy suburb.
Oh so of You know, just north of New York City.
And I'm like... Stupid.
Right.
You want to talk about the inner city and what cops do?
Yeah, we can have a conversation.
adam crigler
Or deal with.
tim pool
And there was, uh, Alexis Ohanian gave an interview where he's the co-founder of Reddit, where he said when he was in college, a cop came up to him while he was drunk and high and, you know, checked on him and said he was drunk and then said something like, you're lucky those keys aren't in the ignition, buddy.
Go back to sleep or whatever and walked away.
And he's like, and that's because of my privilege, blah, blah, blah.
It's like, Are you trying to compare the fact that you were sleeping in your car, keys out of the ignition, and a cop was like, eh, later, to a guy who fought with the cops, who was on probation, and then stole their weapon and fired at him and ran?
adam crigler
Who actually, car was on, in the drive-thru, so he drove there.
It's a totally different situation.
tim pool
Let me tell you the middle ground story.
I worked a double shift one day when I worked at O'Hare Airport.
I was driving home.
It was a 45-minute drive.
I was getting, like, three hours of sleep per night working at this company, and it was miserable.
And so I start hallucinating.
I'm swerving, so I pull off the road, and I'm like, I'm gonna go to sleep just for a little bit right here so I can make it home, because I had to wake up again in, like, four hours and go back to work.
Unhealthy position.
I wake up to a cop putting a ticket on my windshield.
And, you know, he slaps it on, and then I'm like, you know, roll the window down, old car.
And I was like, excuse me.
And he's like, oh, hey.
And I was like, is there a problem?
Am I doing something wrong?
He's like, oh, yeah, you're not supposed to be parked here right now.
And I was like, I'm sitting in my car.
And he was like, yeah, if I knew you were there, I wouldn't give you the ticket.
And I was like, I'm literally sitting in my car right now.
It's running.
And he was like, yeah, well, you know, have a nice day.
I'm like, what?
I never paid it.
I don't know what happened to it.
I was like, what am I gonna do, dude?
I was making like 10 bucks an hour and I was working.
That job was killing me, man.
Absolutely brutal.
Svane says, get your Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man at the Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man Emporium.
In Wicca Pog!
unidentified
Indeed.
adam crigler
Thank you, I couldn't do it.
tim pool
Yeah.
That was good, dude.
adam crigler
That was great.
It was nice.
tim pool
I can talk really fast, so that's not even a challenge for me, you know.
adam crigler
Show off.
tim pool
It's not even a show off, I just talk too fast.
Ross says, Tim, we are steadily heading toward the world of Harrison Bergeron?
lydia smith
Bergeron.
tim pool
Bergeron.
A world of total equality.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, you can call it equality, but I'm not convinced that's what it really is.
adam crigler
Cancel those participation power trophies.
tim pool
Matt Elie says, as a center-right conservative, I kind of feel like Tim isn't lefty enough
for me to feel like you counterbalance my views that much anymore.
But I've never been far left.
I've always been fairly moderate.
adam crigler
He's known as the king of fence-sitting.
tim pool
But it's not even that.
It's about what I talk about, right?
Institutional racism.
A thing.
Systemic racism, also a thing.
There you go, I'm on the left.
Like, I don't know what else to say, you know what I mean?
But the problem, and I've explained this several times, is that the current iteration of what the left is, is uninterested in actually having a real conversation about these issues, and they want to attack people on tribal lines and ban art.
And so here's what it really comes down to.
When my friend posts on Instagram, this man was executed while sleeping in his car.
I can't talk to them. I send a message back, here's the news story of what actually happened,
and they completely ignore it. These people are zombies.
adam crigler
Block. Block.
tim pool
So whatever happened in the 90s, we had moral authoritarians on the right
with the Christian conservatives, and then it flipped to wherever the left is now.
There's zombie moral authoritarians taking everything over.
Left and right doesn't mean anything, you know?
Like, what does it really mean?
adam crigler
I don't know.
tim pool
Remember when the liberals were for free speech?
Now they're not?
unidentified
Okay, I don't know, man, whatever.
adam crigler
Yeah, free speech is dying right in front of us.
unidentified
Yep.
adam crigler
It's dying.
tim pool
Art is being banned.
And I was talking to my friend who was like super active in the Black Lives Matter protests and I said, I'm sorry.
I understand the things you're saying.
I agree with a lot of it, but I will never stand side by side with someone who champions censorship of art.
And they said, we're just trying to make the world a better place.
And I said, that's exactly what everyone always says.
They think their ideas are better and they have a right to suppress other people.
And I disagree.
That is authoritarianism.
lydia smith
Dangerous.
tim pool
So I'll tell you what the divide is, at least for me.
You may be a conservative, I may be left libertarian, but we're libertarian.
How many people said yes when I said we should release nonviolent?
It looked like 90-98%.
Yes, do it.
lydia smith
There's so many.
adam crigler
Right!
tim pool
Do it.
And how many people are left on social issues?
Well, no.
Listen, my issue is like, I think there's a ton of things that have happened throughout history that have created racial inequities and inequalities that we can solve, but I don't think you solve it by insulting people based on their race, attacking white people, or forcing them to do anything.
I think we solve it by saying, like, hey, would you like to, like, here's a left libertarian.
I show up to your house in a little bucket and I'm like, Hey, I want to help out some kids go to school.
Would you want to pitch in?
I don't.
Have a nice day and thank you for your time.
And I leave.
That's left libertarian.
What the left is doing right now is to show up to your house with a gun and they say, you're contributing to our fund.
unidentified
Now.
tim pool
And they're like, come and take it.
Come and make me.
That's nah.
That's bad.
So I think if you look at whatever is going on right now, the left is dominated by authoritarians who want to force you to do things.
And if you look at people like Dave Rubin, who was, you know, he was a liberal, now he's more libertarian, more libertarian, right?
I think you look at the politically homeless, the intellectual dark web, there are progressives in that bunch, but they're all very libertarian, respecting people's ideas, having intellectual conversation.
And that's, that's what the difference between everybody is.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
Yeah, talk to me about taxes.
I'm pretty lefty, man.
adam crigler
Here's a big quote.
Crackbot just said, the left in a quote, when I am weaker than you, I ask for freedom because that is according to your principles.
When I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.
tim pool
But that's authoritarianism.
adam crigler
Mm, okay.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
So, like, the way I explain it is, listen, man— But that is the left right now.
tim pool
It is.
unidentified
Absolutely.
tim pool
Absolutely.
The tribal left is that.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
So I think there's a few fair points to be made.
People say Tim's a conservative.
Absolutely not true.
Now, if you want to talk tribalism, I think it's fairly obvious that whatever the culture
war factions are, I am not whatever the left is.
They call it the right, and it doesn't really make sense because right doesn't mean anything.
You know these Boogaloo boys?
Like this one guy who killed those cops in the van, they're charging him, the cop who killed the deputy?
adam crigler
Right, right, right.
tim pool
He screamed Boogaloo stuff, and they're calling him right wing in the press.
Since when was killing cops right wing?
lydia smith
Since never.
adam crigler
Right when does blue lives matter?
They're just trying to smear everything and anything.
It's pretty insane.
tim pool
Left means good, right means bad to these people.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Whatever these culture war factions are, I define my position as the liberty position.
Meaning, when it comes to my view on taxes and social justice issues, I lean left on them.
I'm nowhere near as far left as Bernie Sanders on any of these things or AOC.
But I think they're only accomplished by asking people if they would like to participate in my fun, you know, cooperative program.
And when they say no, I say, well, I'll try my best to convince you, but you have a good day, sir.
The left shows up with a crowbar and smashes out your windows and says, do it or else.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
So whatever these factions are, man, I don't know.
It's, it's, it's everyone, everyone thinks they have the dividing line.
I've heard people say it's nationalist versus globalist.
Not really.
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not a hardcore nationalist.
Love America though.
But I'm not one of these people who's like, show up our borders, lock everybody out.
And I don't think most people are.
But I don't find my identity wrapped up in American nationalism at all.
So, you know, when I take those civics tests, I'm like, centrist on like everything.
For obvious reasons.
So what do we got?
We got a couple more.
Logan F says, hey my dudes, please pay more attention to Harrison Bergeron.
He's my bro.
adam crigler
I just want to say, happy birthday.
That's right, I'm talking to you.
Who?
The person whose birthday it is.
lydia smith
Sorry, sorry.
adam crigler
This spin is for you.
unidentified
John.
lydia smith
Spin it, spin it.
adam crigler
This is the birthday spin right here.
And there's a few people with birthdays tomorrow.
Oh cool.
So happy birthday to you.
tim pool
And also I just want to give a shout out to, I want to say John, happy birthday.
Oh and Bill, happy birthday as well.
adam crigler
Thanks for following us Bill.
tim pool
What are their common names?
lydia smith
James, Michael, Andrew.
tim pool
This one's for you James.
lydia smith
Super common, yeah.
adam crigler
You guys are so sexist.
All these male names.
tim pool
Oh yeah, good point.
lydia smith
No females?
What?
adam crigler
Only men have birthdays.
tim pool
Women don't get older.
There's females that watch us.
Okay, okay, I gotcha, I gotcha.
lydia smith
Agnes.
adam crigler
Happy birthday.
Oh, she's like 90.
lydia smith
Birth- birth- There's an Agnes out there that's going,
adam crigler
Myrtle.
Finally!
tim pool
Myrtle.
lydia smith
Yes, ma'am.
adam crigler
Happy birthday, Myrtle.
tim pool
And now, for our more well-mannered viewers, Piedmont, I wish you a happy birthday, and Winston.
lydia smith
Oh my!
tim pool
Yes.
lydia smith
Oh, fancy.
tim pool
Winston and Piedmont.
lydia smith
Very nice.
tim pool
Well, it is beyond 10 o'clock.
We've gone a little long, so I think that about wraps it up.
Zach, thanks for hanging out with us today.
And Josh, I hope tomorrow goes really well for you.
I hope everything works out.
I watched the Penn & Teller show on Showtime.
He did this thing where he was like, I think it was something like, I'm thinking of a number between one and a million.
I mentioned that before.
And he's like, most of you are saying, what?
But some of you are like, how did we know?
So right now there's someone named Gertrude.
unidentified
Gertrude.
lydia smith
She's also like 80.
tim pool
Myrtle.
What are some other old lady names?
Martha.
lydia smith
Elizabeth is very common.
Mary is very common.
adam crigler
Funny enough about the name Gertrude, I bought my mom a fridge and I named it Gertrude.
Gertrude.
Gertie for short.
She's amazing.
tim pool
We're gonna need a list of all of your old lady names.
lydia smith
Yes.
adam crigler
Thanks everyone for tuning in.
tim pool
Follow me on Twitter and Instagram at TimCast.
And I'll post stuff periodically.
Probably some skate videos to come.
We've been having a really good time skating.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
You can follow at AdamKrigler to send him story ideas on Twitter, but also you can follow me on Instagram.
adam crigler
I mean, you can just follow me because you like me.
You don't have to send me story ideas.
That's why they follow me.
You can just follow me if you want.
tim pool
I like to mention it because it is a function that helps the show, you know what I mean?
adam crigler
That is true, it does help the show.
tim pool
It's a good reason to engage.
And also don't forget Sour Patch Lids, L-Y-D-S.
lydia smith
Follow me because you like me.
tim pool
And I gotta say, I gotta say, we got, you know, there's still 26,000 people watching, but only 12,000 likes!
unidentified
Whoa, whoa.
tim pool
Don't yell into the microphone.
lydia smith
Please.
adam crigler
Smash the like button.
lydia smith
Thank you, Adam.
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As we sign off for the day, Helga.
tim pool
Mix it up a little bit.
Barbara.
lydia smith
Yep, yep, Barbara.
tim pool
Bertha.
Bertha's my favorite.
Bertha and Agnes.
lydia smith
Bertha, Agnes, and Gertie.
tim pool
Solid names.
I knew someone my age named Agnes, and I always thought it was weird.
lydia smith
Oh, that is weird.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
I was like... There's nothing weird about the name Agnes, Agnes.
I got you.
tim pool
People just call her Aggie.
lydia smith
Generational.
Oh, that works.
adam crigler
Whatever.
lydia smith
Yeah, that works.
Angie.
tim pool
Anyway, Bill, thanks for hanging out with us tonight.
We'll see you all tomorrow at 8 p.m.
We do the show Monday through Friday live.
Every day at 8 we put up clips throughout the day, so don't forget to smash that subscribe button!
adam crigler
And the like button!
tim pool
And don't forget to turn up the knob and rip it off.
lydia smith
Yes, that too.
unidentified
Turn it to 11 and then rip the knob off.
tim pool
We'll get a soundboard soon, I promise.
But anyway, thanks for hanging out everybody.
We'll be back tomorrow with more news and stuff and we'll see you all then.
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