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April 9, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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TimcastIRL - New York Digs Mass Graves For COVID Dead, Claims Prisoners NOT Digging This Time
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unidentified
How's it going everybody?
tim pool
Welcome to the show.
This is the Tim Cast IRL Podcast.
unidentified
I am Tim Poole, and I am joined by... What's up, everybody?
adam crigler
Adam Krigler here.
How you doing?
And also... And we also got...
lydia smith
The Invisible Lady?
Lydia?
tim pool
The Invisible Lady.
adam crigler
Alright, we got the F's in chat.
We're ready to rock.
tim pool
We got the F's in chat.
There was a period where there was a light at the end of the tunnel.
We've been having this pandemic thing kind of come and go.
It's been up and down.
It's like, ah, it's not so bad.
Oh man, it's the end of the world.
Ah, it's not so bad.
And then these drone shots get released of New York City digging mass graves.
And I'm like, ugh.
adam crigler
Corona Coaster.
tim pool
They're double stacking dead bodies on top of each other.
adam crigler
That's nuts, I saw those pictures.
tim pool
It's disgusting.
It's horrifying.
adam crigler
It really is.
tim pool
And they're saying, don't worry, don't worry, the mass graves are temporary, you just gotta come and claim the dead.
It's like, hold on man.
adam crigler
Wait, seriously that's what they're saying?
tim pool
I think, we'll read through it to be sure.
All right, but anyway, we got a bunch of stories for all of you guys.
Make sure to hit the like button, subscribe, hit the notification bell.
YouTube makes it very difficult for everybody, but also hop in the super chat if you want us to read your comments.
We will.
And everyone's going nuts in chat with all the Fs.
adam crigler
Appreciate you guys.
tim pool
Hopefully it's working.
We're live, right?
adam crigler
That's F for love.
F for love in the show.
lydia smith
Perfect.
adam crigler
That's how I take it.
tim pool
Well, we're gonna start with this horrifying story, and then, because, you know, we love to just be pessimists.
But there's actually another, there's a couple of things within this.
Normally, they use prison labor to dig the mass graves.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
And it's like a normal thing.
Really?
adam crigler
Yeah, when somebody... Wait, to dig mass graves is a normal thing?
tim pool
Yep, normal thing in New York.
adam crigler
Are they constantly digging mass graves?
tim pool
Yes, they are.
adam crigler
Really?
Not because of the pandemic, just in general?
tim pool
In general.
adam crigler
Wow, I didn't know that.
tim pool
Yeah, and so apparently, I could be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure somebody asked Bill de Blasio, the mayor, like, hey, what's going on with these prison inmates digging mass graves for the COVID dead?
And he goes, no, no, no, no.
We do this all the time.
It's normal.
Everyone was like, oh, God, what do you mean?
adam crigler
That's way worse.
You're not making us feel better.
tim pool
Dude, everybody wants to walk around with their blinders on.
adam crigler
Yeah, clearly.
tim pool
And there's serious problems with population expansion and population density in New York.
So we'll say we'll say we're going to come up on this story.
We've also got Vox asking the strange question.
There's so much wrong with this.
Why is it that men are more susceptible?
Why fewer women are being impacted?
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
But the first problem I have with this article from Vox is like, you can't spend the past several years talking about how there's like no sex differences and all this weird social justice stuff.
I'm not saying they're the worst, but now all of a sudden when there's science involved and men are dying more, like double, twice the rate women are, now it's like, hmm, why is this?
lydia smith
Are there differences?
tim pool
Perhaps there are.
adam crigler
Oh, I can't wait to get into that.
tim pool
Oh yeah, that's gonna be fun.
adam crigler
That was sarcasm, by the way.
tim pool
But also, the coronavirus has exposed just how deep toxic masculinity runs in our culture.
unidentified
Oh!
tim pool
That's right.
adam crigler
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, there's always some way to weasel in some stupid ideological nonsense.
adam crigler
Great!
More fun.
tim pool
I'm trying not to swear.
But we do have a fun story.
We've got moon mining coming.
We got a big telescope.
We got some space exploration.
unidentified
Yes!
tim pool
We just watched Interstellar again.
adam crigler
I'm all about it.
tim pool
What a fun movie.
adam crigler
It's a good movie.
tim pool
It's fun to watch stuff and be optimistic.
adam crigler
You should watch the show Mars.
I just finished watching it.
It was really good.
tim pool
What's it about?
adam crigler
It's about us colonizing Mars, but it's half documentary, half show.
And it goes back into basically like four years ago into the science of what we knew because that's when it came out.
tim pool
Oh, it's legit.
adam crigler
Yeah, a legitimate documentary and fiction.
It's both.
So it's cool.
It's a mix because half of it is showing what we had prepared for, say, a pandemic that would have hit us on Mars if we were to find one and have it run through us.
And they talk about SARS.
They talk about China lying about stuff and SARS.
Of course, this now happens.
You know what would be cool?
The episode then, they hit a pandemic in Mars and it kills a bunch of people.
tim pool
You know what would be cool?
adam crigler
It's crazy, but yeah, it's awesome.
tim pool
It'd be cool if they do experiments in Antarctica.
We were reading a story, I think it was last week, that they found evidence that Antarctica used to be a tropical paradise, jungle, whatever.
Dig deep into the ice and it releases some ancient viruses or fungus that infects the human brain and turns them into host zombies that run around.
What's that video again?
The Last of Us?
Wouldn't that be awesome?
adam crigler
No.
tim pool
All humanity wiped out in a fungus zombie apocalypse?
adam crigler
I'm sorry, no.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Yeah, but as part of one of the themes we've talked about in the past several weeks, there's so many people who pretend like that would be fun.
Yeah.
adam crigler
They think it would be fun because it's not the movies.
They see the movies and they're like, oh man, I would be awesome there.
That would be great.
Sure.
unidentified
Man, if I saw a zombie I'd be like, I'm so much better and faster.
tim pool
It's like, those are the people you don't want to be in the apocalypse with.
adam crigler
It's also kind of like... Those are the fake tough people.
tim pool
Exactly.
lydia smith
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
What's the saying?
It's like, the quiet guy at the bar is the one you don't want to mess with?
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
It's the guy who's pretending to be all tough?
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
I mean, it's not always the case.
Often there's a lot of arrogant dudes who are tough.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's a good point.
tim pool
And they'll be like, I can do whatever I want, and they'll actually punch you in the face.
But, speaking of getting punched in the face, let's jump to our first segment.
lydia smith
Alright.
tim pool
The Daily Mail reports workers in full hazmat suits bury rows of coffins in Heart Island Mass Grave, as New York City officials confirm coronavirus victims will be buried there if their bodies aren't claimed within two weeks after death toll rises to 4,260.
So man, this is brutal.
There's a few things that need to be pointed out, because I don't trust the city.
I think they're lying.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
They're claiming these are contract laborers.
Alright, I'm gonna give you all a warning.
For those that are just tuning in, there's gonna be some images that might not make you happy.
They're not graphic or anything, but they're images of the mass graves.
And so, look, I think this is newsworthy.
It's important to talk about.
adam crigler
It is pretty shocking, yeah.
tim pool
But my deepest sympathies and condolences to those who have lost their lives, their loved ones.
These are people who haven't been claimed by anybody, so it's probably older people, homeless people.
I'm not showing this out of a lack of sensitivity.
I'm showing it because we need to have a conversation about what real life is like.
adam crigler
I didn't even think about the homeless in New York.
There's a lot.
tim pool
And that's why they do this normally.
adam crigler
Wow.
tim pool
So here you can see these workers in full PPE gear.
They're stacking bodies.
This guy's standing on the grave, on these coffins.
And you can see that they're stacked two on top of each other, maybe even more.
adam crigler
Yeah, at least.
Can't really see very well, but at least two.
tim pool
This guy's like standing up to his shins in the dirt that's being poured in.
These are mass graves, man.
Now look, New York City said these are not prison laborers doing it.
And it's kind of insane they had to do that in the first place.
I don't believe them.
You know why?
Check this out, this is from March 31st, The Intercept.
Rikers Island prisoners are being offered PPE and $6 an hour to dig mass graves.
adam crigler
$6 an hour?
That's BS, man.
That's ridiculous.
That's hard labor, yo.
tim pool
Let me just say, these people who are begging for a zombie apocalypse and a nightmare dystopia, Like, wouldn't it be really cool if I lived in the future?
You're living in it, dude.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
You are here.
You're locked in your house.
People are getting arrested for going outside.
They're spying on your cell phones.
Google knows where you are.
You know Google's tracking everyone's phone data and publishing it?
adam crigler
Publishing it?
tim pool
Not your individual data.
But they're tracking what everyone is doing and then publishing the mass data of like, here's what humans are doing.
So they're tracking you.
unidentified
I didn't know that.
lydia smith
So my siblings and I tried this where you type into Google, we are with you, and it pulls up your location.
tim pool
Yeah, if you type in something like we are with you here or something like that.
lydia smith
Yeah, we're here with you.
tim pool
We are here with you.
Yeah, some weird thing like that.
adam crigler
What, and it shows you where you are?
tim pool
Yeah, it pulls up your location.
lydia smith
So my sister did it on DuckDuckGo and nothing, obviously.
tim pool
Of course, it's Google being creepy.
adam crigler
Yep, that's what I use, DuckDuck.
tim pool
We are living in a world where a pandemic is sweeping the globe.
People are being arrested when they go outside.
People are being arrested for telling jokes in some countries, like in the UK.
adam crigler
People are being shot in other countries for just breaking quarantine.
tim pool
No, that's not true.
That was fake news.
adam crigler
Oh, was it?
tim pool
Totally fake news.
adam crigler
Interesting.
tim pool
Yeah, so we'll clear this one up.
I was gonna do a segment on this.
adam crigler
Yeah.
lydia smith
Yeah, man.
tim pool
So, Duterte in the Philippines said, shoot them dead if they break quarantine.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
Was that true?
That was true.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
And then all of a sudden this story started going around saying, man who breaks quarantine is shot dead.
Yeah, and so I'm like, wow, look, there it is.
There's the news.
So I pull it up, I'm like, let's talk about it.
And so then I start, you know, I read a little bit and I'm like, man, that's crazy.
Guess what the story really was, a few paragraphs down.
adam crigler
What?
tim pool
Well, the guy was drunk and swinging a scythe at people.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
They didn't shoot him for breaking quarantine.
They shot a drunk man swinging a scythe at civilians.
adam crigler
Whoa, that's crazy.
tim pool
It's a crazy story.
adam crigler
It's crazy, but it's not.
tim pool
But it's not someone.
adam crigler
He's not breaking quarantine.
No, he's actually a threat to society.
tim pool
But you know what's really scary?
You know what proves we're in the dystopia?
adam crigler
What?
tim pool
That people don't think we're in one.
adam crigler
That's a good point.
tim pool
It's like you've been coaxed into this nightmare world.
adam crigler
Well it feels like some people are in this and some people aren't.
You know I took a walk today and I saw other people, my neighbor, Hey, what's up?
How you doing?
Walked past, you know, across the street, you know, social distancing and all, but it, you know, it, it felt normal, you know, it didn't, it there's a, you know, that's why people were like, is it real?
Is this really happening?
Cause I don't see it.
I don't know anybody that's sick.
And obviously it's really happening, even though you can't see it, but it does feel like there's still bubbles of people that are life still kind of normal.
tim pool
This is how movies desensitize us.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
We're so used to watching a movie where there's constant action.
adam crigler
Yeah, like something has to happen for you to know that, okay, whoa, now we're in the pandemic.
Now it's actually happening.
tim pool
Let me tell you, buddy, when they started digging the mass graves, and they started using prison labor to do it, that was a long time ago.
We've been here for a minute.
So, what I guess people don't realize, New York, what is it, 8.6 million in the city.
adam crigler
Yeah, almost nine.
tim pool
400, so it's 150 people die per day in New York on average.
adam crigler
Normally.
tim pool
Normally.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Right now it's way, way up, like, it was what, like 750 the other day, like ridiculous because of COVID.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But what people don't realize, there's homeless people, like tens of thousands.
adam crigler
There really is a lot.
tim pool
They die.
Like, what do you think they do with them?
They dig mass graves and just dump the bodies on Heart Island.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
That's, that's, that's, and it's only gonna get worse.
And it's gonna get, yeah, it's gonna be increasingly, I don't know, man, look, New York City's population density, it's like 28,000 per square mile.
People are living in smaller and smaller houses, microscopic apartments for insane amounts of money.
At a certain point, it's got to snap.
adam crigler
I mean, this is the snapping point.
I know people personally that have left New York because they lost their job.
tim pool
But not coming back.
adam crigler
And they're not coming back.
They packed their stuff up and took it with them.
They can't pay for their apartment anymore.
Luckily, they have places to go.
But I can't imagine this is not happening everywhere.
in New York, because New York's expensive.
It's not cheap to live there.
Food's more expensive.
Living's more expensive.
Everything's more expensive there.
So, and you don't necessarily make more money there either.
You know, sometimes you do and you get lucky, you get a good job, you know,
and, but it's people are, people are going there and they're realizing.
tim pool
I think, I think COVID was the dam breaking.
adam crigler
It is, yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Because now people, like so many people are dying.
So many people have left because of economic reasons don't want to come back.
And I'm sure a lot of people are scared to come back.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
But the population density was so insane that New York City apparently now is like the worst city on the planet for COVID.
adam crigler
Wow, really?
tim pool
New York State is like the epicenter of infections.
And people keep trying to flock into these big cities.
At a certain point, you can't sustain life that tightly packed.
adam crigler
The crazy thing is, I have friends that are still in New York.
They send me pictures, like, check out the park here.
And there's people hanging out in the park.
Not, not just like sporadically by themselves, but just, you know, hanging out in the park, like everything's normal.
You know, the, the mayor actually took up all the, the hoops in the basketball courts, took them off.
I don't know if you guys heard about this.
It's because people kept playing basketball and it's like, you're sweating, you're coughing, you know, you're not coughing, but you're, you know, sweating all over each other, you know, playing basketball.
Basketball is fun, but when there's a pandemic, you know, maybe you shouldn't play, but now they don't have a choice.
tim pool
Even outside of the pandemic, these photos of these people digging mass graves, like the defense was, no, we did this all the time.
There's tons of mass graves.
Yeah, they did all the time.
lydia smith
That's not a defense.
That makes it worse and weirder.
tim pool
Right.
Oh my gosh.
They actually, imagine this.
Bill de Blasio is so used to them doing this.
He actually thought people would be like, oh, they do it all the time.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
What do you mean?
Is that a big deal?
We do it all the time.
unidentified
People are like, oh, yeah.
tim pool
It's it's it's creepy, man.
The fact that we've gotten to the point even beyond before the pandemic should have been a red flag to everybody.
Take a look at these photos, man.
For those that are listening, I can just describe them, but... You got a bunch of people walking around in the white, like, hazmat suits.
And on both ends, it looks like, of this big trench they've dug, there's just caskets stacked up.
They have a ladder going down.
It's gotta be, like, what?
Ten feet, you think?
adam crigler
Maybe maybe yeah 12 feet 12 feet.
Yeah at the deep part.
tim pool
Yep at the deep part 12 feet They got little little was that a little bobcat or something dude.
adam crigler
That's four three four look at that whoa That's this is showing three coffins deep Wow three coffins deep wow That's crazy.
Oh, you know where you know that one coffin there.
It looks empty.
I don't know what that means oh Yeah, that was like, maybe it busted open and I don't know.
Let's hope not.
tim pool
Yeah, dude, they're stacking three coffins.
adam crigler
Three coffins deep, man.
tim pool
Wow, dude.
Welcome.
Why would anyone want to live in this place?
Now it's an island.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
It's not like you could stumble upon it.
adam crigler
Yeah, and that building looks pretty abandoned.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
There's trees growing out the top of it.
tim pool
But that's so messed up, dude.
We can't live like this.
What's going to happen in a hundred years?
You're going to run out of space on the island.
What do you do?
adam crigler
I mean, we're already plowing over everything.
Yeah, and just more concrete, put more buildings up.
tim pool
Dude, you look at a map, a satellite map of the United States, and you see it's green, right?
You see it's green on the East Coast, and then as you move to the Midwest, you start seeing a little brown in the Rockies and everything like that.
I always thought it was like you were seeing trees and stuff.
You're not.
It's all developments.
So I was actually, I've been looking just around various areas for like farm properties.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And I keep, I would look, I would find like a very green area when you zoom out on satellite.
When you zoom in and get closer and closer, it's houses, suburbs, you're seeing the grass, but everything's been ripped apart.
There are some parts like the Pennsylvania wilds that are still, you know, very, very foresty for long stretches.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
For the most part, man, everything's been torn up no matter where you go.
lydia smith
Not in Kansas.
adam crigler
No?
tim pool
Well, no, obviously as you move west it starts getting, you know, further and further apart.
lydia smith
Definitely on the east.
tim pool
But the east coast, you know what?
Now here's where it gets worse.
lydia smith
Oh boy.
adam crigler
Well, I mean, have you looked at Europe?
It's basically the same.
unidentified
Right?
tim pool
No, it's worse.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
New York is way worse.
Check this out.
More coronavirus patients testing positive again after recovery report.
And here I was getting all, I was feeling better because they were saying like, we think we're nearing the peak, we think we're gonna, you know, I think it was, you know, Trump's administration said May 1st, we're aiming for reopening.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Then this story comes out.
This is from today.
People are testing positive again after recovery.
Like, they're getting reinfected.
adam crigler
Didn't we know about this, like, two months ago?
Someone in Japan got reinfected?
tim pool
Yeah, but one story is like, maybe it was a false positive.
Maybe it was a false negative.
adam crigler
Yeah, but we talked about having multiple phases, you know, and that could potentially be a thing.
tim pool
Now we have more stories of people getting reinfected.
So what?
Are we going to be locked down forever talking about this stuff?
You know what I mean?
adam crigler
And what's really scary is if it does mutate and we make a vaccine for the first version, and by the time we make the vaccine and start working it into the population, if it mutates to something different, will we always just be chasing this?
Are we going to ever beat it?
lydia smith
That's kind of what we do with the flu, is we're constantly chasing it.
Sometimes it's not very effective.
adam crigler
It's not the flu.
It's different.
But in that same sense, are we just going to forever be chasing coronavirus?
tim pool
Maybe we can't even.
Maybe we've just reached the point where humanity can't grow larger than it is.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
adam crigler
There's a scary premise.
tim pool
What do we have like seven point?
What are we eight billion seven billion seven point something billion?
Maybe that's the line and then the the the population density is so intense the and plus with airplanes Yeah, and and the transport we have maybe this is the point where it's not even about the coronavirus But any virus this point could spread so fast that we can't have yeah, we are traveling everywhere.
I Even if we had less people, it really is airplanes that have changed the game.
adam crigler
It's true.
tim pool
Now here's, but here, you know, we're not at Spanish flu levels.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
And, you know, even then they had the first wave and the second wave, and then I think there's like a third wave, but even as bad as it is right now, it's, we're not, you know, it was like, what, 20 million died of the Spanish flu.
adam crigler
Right, but can you imagine if they had airplanes as normal as it is now?
tim pool
Well, that's what I'm saying.
Even with airplanes, COVID is nowhere near as bad.
But what's strange is that the Spanish flu's mortality rate was less.
I think that's why everyone's freaking out.
They also didn't have the internet.
And there was a war going on.
adam crigler
That's a good point.
tim pool
So we might be facing something comparable, but we're better equipped to deal with it.
adam crigler
Right.
So the wartime, a lot of soldiers died.
And was it because they strictly were healthy and got this?
Or were they wounded from battle already and, you know, were susceptible?
tim pool
I was reading about it.
They said that the natural selection was inverted because typically when people get sick, they stay home.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Makes it harder to spread.
Makes sense. But with the war, people who got sick were sent back on trains to go home.
And so it spread everything everywhere. Made it a lot worse.
But it did come in a couple waves.
So it was like in August, it came back really strong and started hitting younger people,
I believe. Or I think it started hitting younger people in the second wave.
I don't know what's going to happen with COVID.
I can't tell you.
I'm bored and it's frustrating.
I mean, we're lucky enough to have a house in the backyard and some, you know, open space, but I can't imagine these people are going to get restless.
New York City is going to be a nightmare.
Well, it kind of already is.
lydia smith
It's kind of a time bomb.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Seriously?
So these stories I'm seeing, like in South Jersey, they arrested a bunch of people for walking around outside.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
Seriously?
tim pool
Yeah, it was a couple people were like seen leaving a house.
Someone called the cops on them.
The cops rolled up and said, you guys need to go home.
And then apparently one of them said, F you, I don't need to do anything.
So the cops were like, you're under arrest.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Yep.
adam crigler
It's like, why though?
tim pool
Why would they go in there?
They said, like, obstructing government, something.
adam crigler
No, I mean, yeah, okay, why that?
Why would they arrest them?
But why would you just say that to the cop who's just doing his job?
It just feels a little... It's America.
tim pool
First Amendment.
adam crigler
Yeah, sure.
tim pool
Can't get arrested for it, but apparently they'll make it up.
adam crigler
Yeah.
Is that not common knowledge now?
It's like... Well, what do you do?
tim pool
Do you just bend the knee and just say, yes, I'm sorry, my liege?
Or do you... I mean... I go after stuff.
I can do whatever I want.
adam crigler
Sure.
I don't know.
I mean, I went for a walk today.
If someone came to me and was like, go back home.
You're not allowed out.
I'd be like...
I would say, okay, my home's that way, even though it's that way, and I'd go around and finish my walk.
Like, how are they gonna know?
tim pool
Well, like, what if the cops pulled up, and they were like, hey, turn around and go home right now?
adam crigler
Okay.
Okay.
tim pool
You turn around?
adam crigler
Yeah, whatever.
I can still turn the block and keep walking a different direction.
tim pool
What if they're following you?
adam crigler
Okay, if they're following me, I'd be a little creeped out, but then I'd walk home, probably.
tim pool
This stuff happens all the time in Chicago.
adam crigler
Sure, I'd probably walk home.
tim pool
And I've had cops follow me to my house, and they wait and say, go inside.
Because Chicago has curfew for people under 18.
unidentified
Aww.
tim pool
so so if you're lucky if they do if you're unlucky they pick you up and then they
Bring you you know if they can't get your house Then they I don't know exactly what they do in Chicago
because every time it's happened to me one time I did some they bring me home and then someone's a sign for
you for breaking curfew Yeah, if you're a minor in Chicago this curfew
That's ridiculous. Yeah, I agree. That's pretty crazy, but I mean I would go out and skate in the middle of the night
But like what do you do? I mean that I'm a you know, I was a teenager. So it's like whatever but today I
I don't have to explain myself to anybody.
If I'm going to the grocery store, I'm going to the grocery store.
It's none of your business.
Bug off.
And then what, they're going to arrest you?
That's apparently what they did.
Someone mouthed off, so they arrested him.
Yeah, I mean, look, that's stupid to mouth off to people.
At the same time, that's not illegal.
adam crigler
You're right.
I agree with you.
tim pool
Yeah, dude, we're in it, man.
The Nightmare Zootopia is so boring.
That's what's frustrating, you know?
Can't we at least have, like, some kind of law resistance?
Like a real one, not like these weird, scrawny, low-T college kids who think they're fighting, you know, Nazis.
Like an actual... You know, like... You want some action?
adam crigler
Go to New York.
tim pool
Mix it up there.
adam crigler
And you get to New York and there's just nothing there.
The streets are empty.
tim pool
It's the romanticizing of the apocalypse.
It just doesn't exist.
There is no fun adventure.
Life is not a movie.
It's either boring or it's stressful.
I think people think that they're going to be on a roller coaster.
lydia smith
I think the only thing that would cause this kind of post-apocalypse we usually think of is something like someone attacking us on our shores, which we've already established is not going to happen.
tim pool
No, I don't think so.
lydia smith
You don't think so?
tim pool
Having actually been in places where there are explosions and people shooting at each other, There's this feeling you get watching these action movies where you see like the hero do a backflip, you know, and like land perfectly and then do like roundhouse kick the bad guy who then falls into the meat grinder.
It just doesn't exist.
adam crigler
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
That feeling you get watching these movies doesn't exist.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
The excitement of watching the guy, you know, draw the bow and fire at the zombie's head and his head explodes.
adam crigler
In slow motion.
tim pool
Yeah, it doesn't exist.
I'll tell you what you really get, you get anxiety and panic attacks.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
You're standing there and then all of a sudden you're shaking and you're like about to throw up because your stomach's clenching because there's people screaming and stabbing each other.
adam crigler
And you haven't eaten in a while.
tim pool
Right.
adam crigler
There's... It's not going to be people landing on our shores.
It's going to be other citizens that are hungry that want your food.
tim pool
Well, no, no, like in the event, let's say like someone did land on our shores, like an invading force.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
All these people who are like, man, it'd be so cool, like, you know, like Red Dawn or whatever, they would, it would be five minutes until their buddy's head got blown off where they'd be sobbing in the corner, crying, begging for how the world used to be.
It doesn't exist.
But there are adrenaline junkies.
And there's a reason why I skateboard and why I was interested in doing conflict journalism.
It doesn't phase me the way it phases like 99.9% of people.
And I'll tell you what, man.
It's really, really funny.
When I did this, they call it heat training, hostile environment action or something, I don't know what it's called.
But it's called like a heat course.
And some of the people that were there, it was like a weather guy there.
Now, there's a reason why a weather guy will be at a hostile environment training course.
Because, hurricanes.
It wasn't just about, you know, getting kidnapped.
adam crigler
Because they have to go stand on the beach while it's behind them, and they're like, I'm here reporting!
tim pool
It's like the lowest tier.
And I swear, this guy was so arrogant.
adam crigler
Oh, the news reporter?
tim pool
He's a weather guy!
adam crigler
That's not surprising, actually.
tim pool
And I'm sitting there like, listening to this guy talk, and he's like, there's a bunch of women, we're like sitting at a table, it was like lunch.
adam crigler
He's so tough, I bet.
tim pool
And he's like, listen, here's what you gotta do, you know, like, when you're dealing with this stuff, and I'm just like, tell me, Weatherman, tell me more about how you respond to when the terrorists are kidnapping you.
adam crigler
Willy Wonka.
tim pool
And then I was like, I shook my head, and I was just like, I started talking about what actually happens, and he's like, you think you know how this stuff goes on?
And I was like, dude, I was like, first of all, everybody has a different reaction.
You don't know, you've never been in situations, and you have?
I was like, yes.
adam crigler
I wish I was a fly on the wall.
tim pool
Yes, actually I have.
unidentified
Right, me too.
tim pool
I swear.
There was a really funny thing that happened with this training.
They put us in this scenario where we are driving in SUVs to go meet with, you know,
like a terror leader or something.
It's all, you know, fictional.
And then the cars get stopped at a fake checkpoint and the guys have a bunch of random weapons
and they start yelling and then our driver, who is, he's part of the training, he's supposed
to be a local affixer.
It's the local who tells you.
He says, oh, it's a government checkpoint.
They want everyone to get out of the vehicles.
And so, okay, we all get out.
They make us all lay on our stomachs.
All of the women get brought to a shed, where we then hear all the women screaming.
And the guys with the guns are all laughing, saying, like, there are women now, and stuff like that.
And then they start going around saying, give us all your valuables.
And so then they went up and the guy was like, give me your wallet.
And I said, here you go.
And they start to walk away and I was like, oh sir, you forgot my watch.
And he was like, oh yeah, I did forget your watch.
And he takes my watch.
The funny thing about it was the watch was a GPS tracker.
So after it was over, we went back to the main area and the guy, someone asked.
So the trainer guy was like, sometimes these things happen.
You know, you'll get stopped.
You'll notice that all the guys had different weapons, which means they're likely not government, because they don't have standard issue.
These are things you gotta pay attention to, but if you're being stopped by a group of armed individuals, there's not much you can do.
And someone said, what about the women who were kidnapped and clearly being abused?
And he just goes...
They're gone.
You know, sometimes there's nothing you can do about it.
And afterwards, one of the guys was there, and I said, I'm just gonna let you go, you guys were wrong about that.
And he was like, oh yeah, what do you mean?
And I said, well, remember when I said my watch?
He's like, yeah, I'm like, that watch is a GPS tracker.
As soon as you let us go, I called the State Department, told them how to find it.
And he went, really?
And I was like, this was back when smartwatches weren't a thing.
Okay, so it was a a 4g watch that looked like a regular watch got him got him boom And so I told him I was like listen, man I was like in this in the stuff that I've done with my buddies who actually work in like infosec and actual opsec stuff We've gone through contingencies for how to deal with Legit top-tier full, you know full tech warfare to the best of our civilian understanding one of the things was like They actually said to charge your GPS and bring it with you.
And I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Marie Colvin was a conflict journalist, and what we understand is that the Assad regime was tracking her sat phone, found out where she was, and then started shelling the building.
So you don't want to have an active GPS signal they can track and figure out where you are.
A satellite link.
So what we did was, When my buddy went, we gave him a two-way satellite communicator to make sure he had one.
You know why?
You leave it off, and then once you're compromised, you turn it on and throw it down a hill and run the other direction.
You buy yourself some time.
They know where you are already.
Then they'll chase after the dummy signal.
adam crigler
Oh, okay.
tim pool
So this is the kind of stuff they don't teach you, but, you know, I'm interested.
Anyway, I digress.
That was a fun story.
I love that.
adam crigler
I love it.
Someone just went, Tim pulls the Jason Bourne on budget.
tim pool
On budget.
unidentified
That was a good comment.
tim pool
Not even.
I would never consider myself to be an expert, within reason, but what I would always tell people, like when this guy's mouthing off about how he's like, here's what you gotta do, and here's... I'm like, listen, anybody who tells you they can guarantee you security and safety is lying to you.
Anybody's gonna tell you here's definitively what you do is lying to you.
And I said, we were talking specifically about what to do in the event of a kidnapping.
And I said, so we did this mock scenario where we're going to interview.
It's all basically the same thing.
You're going to interview this leader.
We pull up to the building and I'm on a hair trigger already because I know the game.
And so they say, okay, everybody get out of the cars.
We're going inside.
And then the guy in front of me was a, he just out of the Marines.
So he was getting a job in security for like a security contractor.
This guy's a Marine.
Yeah.
All of a sudden we hear someone yell, and we pop our doors and just both run full speed, slightly zigzagging down through dead ground.
adam crigler
Nice.
tim pool
We knew what we were doing!
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And then all of a sudden we get like 100 yards out, we duck behind some trees, and we hear, You guys are dead!
unidentified
You're dead!
tim pool
Come back!
And we looked at each other and started laughing.
No, we're not.
We got out.
lydia smith
We're literally not dead.
tim pool
And so we walked back and one of the training guys was like, you guys died.
And we were laughing.
We're like, okay, sure.
Like, no, we hit dead ground.
So dead ground is when the people, you can't shoot.
So like a hillside.
Once you clear a certain amount of space, someone standing up on the hill can't shoot through the hill.
They have to run to the edge and then try and shoot down.
So we hit, we went straight for dead ground.
And then we were gone.
But they told us to come back and he goes, well, if you want to do the training exercise, we'll pretend like you're not dead.
And we're like, all right, fine, whatever.
And so then they literally told us, do whatever you can to do whatever you want to do.
You're being kidnapped.
Do whatever you want.
Get out of it.
Figure it out.
And I'm like, you got it, buddy.
And so I passed out and fake threw up.
And they started freaking out and canceled the event.
They were like, oh, everybody stopped like, buddy, buddy, are you all right?
And I was like, yeah, I'm totally fine.
And they're like, whatever you want.
And I was like, I was faking being sick.
And they went, oh, why?
And I was like, to make it a burden on the kidnappers to decide whether to take me or
leave me.
And they were like, oh, OK, stand back up, get back in line.
adam crigler
And I'm like, so you fooled them twice.
So the first time they're like, man, we shouldn't have at least, we could have told them to do whatever they wanted before they did what they did, and then we would have told them they were dead.
You fooled them twice.
tim pool
This is what precipitated the guy who's talking about him knowing what he was doing, and then I was explaining why I ran in the first place, and why I feigned being sick.
And I said, I can't tell you this would work, because you don't necessarily know the mentality of the people who are trying to kidnap you.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's a good point.
tim pool
But I can tell you my logic.
The first is, if they're gonna kidnap you, now as an American, you're actually likely to get rescued.
The American government does not negotiate, and they do not pay ransoms.
So, in many circumstances, kidnappers will avoid Americans at all costs.
adam crigler
Interesting, yeah.
tim pool
A lot of these poor guys in these countries, when they kidnap somebody, they're thinking about, can we get cash quick?
What happens if you kidnap someone who's Spanish or German?
Those governments pay out right away.
unidentified
Boom.
adam crigler
Really?
tim pool
Oh yeah.
adam crigler
Is that true?
tim pool
Yup.
And because of this, they're sought after.
If you're an American, do you know what Americans deliver when you kidnap an American?
lydia smith
Payloads?
tim pool
A helicopter commando raid kicking your door in and killing you and your family.
So it's not all the time, but the American government's dead serious about, we're not gonna pay, and we're gonna F you up.
So that's the goal.
The goal is to deter.
And so that's actually what they advise.
They advise to capitulate.
Do whatever your captors want, because in all likelihood, the American government's going to come in guns a-blazing.
adam crigler
Just be like, just tell them you're American.
I'm American.
Oh, next.
tim pool
However, at this time, we're talking about the expansion of some certain factions in the Middle East that glorify the execution of journalists on purpose.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's true.
tim pool
And so, you know, what I was basically saying to people is like, listen, Live on your feet, die on your knees.
I can run, and if these guys are using long guns, they can be extremely accurate with low training.
And, hey man, maybe they'll waste a bullet on you.
Maybe they'll say, it's not worth it, we've already got 15 other people, let them go.
Then when they brought me back, and I pretended being sick, people were like, yeah, but then they'll just kill you.
I'm like, why?
lydia smith
Maybe.
tim pool
What do you think they're thinking?
Are they thinking, this person's having a panic attack.
They're sick.
I don't want to deal with it.
I don't want to get sick either.
adam crigler
Or carry them.
tim pool
I don't want to carry them.
I don't want to get sick.
I don't want to deal with it.
Maybe they'll kill you.
Maybe they won't.
Maybe they'll kill you regardless.
adam crigler
Not everyone has a Lydia to carry your burdens.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
That's what I'm for.
So I said, listen, no one's going to tell you.
In fact, the people training specifically said, you can't predict these things, but we can maximize your opportunity by preparing you to the best of our abilities.
And so I said, my instinct would always be, run.
Run.
Don't give in.
Don't bow.
If they catch you, they catch you, but run.
And if you have to passively resist, do so in a proper way.
Don't antagonize them.
You just become a burden that they don't want to deal with.
It's not perfect.
Many people who have survived have just done whatever they're told and just waited that for a couple years.
That may work, and that's what a lot of people have done.
It's hard to know.
We've also seen people get their heads chopped off.
So you've got to decide based on the current circumstances.
If it was a 1% chance they're going to film you being lit on fire.
adam crigler
1% chance.
tim pool
1% chance.
That's the saying.
It's like if it was a 1% chance something could happen, would you take the odds?
So for me, I'm kind of like, eh, I'd rather run.
I'd rather run than put a bullet in my back.
At least I know I tried.
I'm not gonna bend the knee to anybody.
And if they catch me, you know what, then I lost.
But when they made me feign being sick, I'm like, at least at this point I can be annoying passively.
You don't want the person to get mad at you thinking you're doing it on purpose.
But it's reasonable to think that if someone got kidnapped, they'd be panicking, shaking, and getting sick.
And then you'd be like, I don't want to deal with this.
You know what I mean?
Now, if they're trying to get a ransom from you, it might be worth the vomit.
They might be like, I'm going for a million bucks, dude.
You can barf all you want.
I'll take you.
But at least you tried something, I guess.
Yeah.
I don't know how we got into this, but... How did we get into this topic?
unidentified
What?
adam crigler
Wait a minute.
Where are we talking about patients getting tested again and getting... We're talking about macho meteorologist who thought he was a... Yeah, we were talking about the end of the world.
You're like, I got a good story for this.
tim pool
Yeah, we were talking about how people think they're basically super tough and like... Right.
They know what's going to happen.
They know what they're going to do.
unidentified
Nah.
tim pool
Nah, man.
I would say 99% of people like...
As soon as someone landed on the shores in a U-boat and a bunch of like foreign Russians and Chinese or whatever started swimming on the beach, they'd be squealing like pigs and running full speed in the other direction.
adam crigler
It wouldn't be people, it'd be robots.
lydia smith
Oh yeah, you're probably right.
tim pool
I don't know, man.
adam crigler
If there's going to be something that storms our shore, like in the future, like it's not going to happen right now, but if it was in the future, it wouldn't be people, it'd be robots.
tim pool
How far in the future?
adam crigler
Who knows, man.
tim pool
Well, we've seen Boston Dynamics.
adam crigler
That's what they're trying to work on, like the military studying gamers' minds that play StarCraft to see how they work and what works and what is the best way, and they're turning it into Maybe in 50 years we will have mass-produced robots like
tim pool
the Boston Dynamics robots.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
You're like, right now I would actually say that not the two-legged one, which is really good.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
But you've seen the four, like the horse one.
adam crigler
Yeah, the dog.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, you could mount guns on that, unleash those things.
Yeah, exactly.
adam crigler
And they'd be brutal.
And they, you know what?
We know what Boston Dynamics has done.
So you can only imagine what we don't know that the army has done.
Yeah, dude.
It's like, come on.
tim pool
For all you know, there's some people you've met who are actually...
adam crigler
They're studying gamers' brains right now to make the AI for the dogs that they've got, dude.
It's a thing.
tim pool
But if that's true, then I think we're dealing with cyber war in the future.
I don't think it's even going to be... So let me ask you, what is the point of war?
adam crigler
To take over someone else's property, basically.
tim pool
Resources.
adam crigler
Yeah, for their resources.
tim pool
It could be ideological.
adam crigler
All right.
tim pool
But we're in an age now where you can win a war without even lifting a finger.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
You can just convince someone.
adam crigler
Well, you'd have to pick up the phone or maybe hit a button.
tim pool
All right, you don't gotta pick up a weapon.
Good point.
The pen is mightier than the sword.
So I was thinking about this.
What we're seeing with all this election meddling stuff and fake social media and sock puppets, It's more effective to manipulate the public into believing you than it is to actually go and force them to do anything.
Yeah.
It's actually interesting.
I don't know if you've played The New Civilization.
No, I haven't.
So, there's a couple ways you can take over cities, and one of them is through cultural pressure.
Basically, if your civilization has massive cultural output, Eventually your boundaries will be pushing on another city who will then basically revolt and join you.
adam crigler
Yeah, okay.
tim pool
So if you successfully convince an entire population that you're better and they should live the way you want to live, they're going to want to be like you as much as they can.
And then you can take away the power of that government through cultural export.
adam crigler
I mean, I see parallels with what's going on in China right now, because they're trying to convince their citizens that the U.S.
dropped it in Wuhan, and that's what happened.
And then there's videos of Chinese citizens probably risking death to send it out.
Like, we don't trust the CCP either.
We're not happy here.
We can't stand what's going on.
We know it came from here.
tim pool
Take a look at this.
We had a bunch of people messaging in the chat saying that there was some pro-China YouTuber making videos about me.
I don't want to say the guy's name.
I don't know who he is.
I don't know anything about him.
I don't have any issue with him personally, but he's pro-China.
It makes sense.
I'm pro-America, not pro-China.
I view China as adversarial to the United States, and I view them as doing really horrible things.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
I'm sure there are people over there that view America the same way, like they want China to win.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's true.
tim pool
So then you get a pro-Chinese YouTuber who makes videos saying, you know, I'm a conspiracy theorist and I believe crazy things and I think the U.S.
is coming for me, clearly an attempt to manipulate and discredit me.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Because I put out a story where I, one of the things he said was, I read an article where it said U.S.
intelligence agencies leak show that China's been lying about the COVID numbers.
I read that story, I believed that story, and so he said I was a conspiracy theorist.
Because his view is that U.S.
media is lying, and I shouldn't believe it, and he's pro-China, and his viewers are all Chinese.
That's the game right now.
I'm a useful idiot, I guess, for the United States.
Because I like America, because I want America to win, so the content I make will be very much pro-America.
And that's bad for America's enemies, so they'll counter it with their own propaganda.
But propaganda, at this point, is way more powerful.
It's actually, it's almost inverted.
If a soldier, like, think about false flags, right?
Do you guys know about the Operation Northwoods?
This was back in, I think it was the 60s, where, man, I'm gonna mess this up, and I know a lot of people who are listening probably know what I'm talking about.
A guy named, like, L. Lemnitzer, or L.L.
Lemnitzer or something, proposed dressing up people like Cuban soldiers and then attacking Florida.
To, so that people would hate Cuba.
It's called a false flag.
And then apparently the whole thing was scrapped, like, no way we're not gonna do this.
adam crigler
Yeah, okay.
tim pool
So, if a Chinese soldier was seen on camera violating the rights of somebody, that's a negative, you know, that's negative propaganda for them.
It's bad.
People will say, I don't want to have anything to do with that.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
If they put out videos where they're, like, helping children drink water and, like, saving lives and, like, building bridges, that's good.
So if they actually engaged in war, and we filmed a boat crashing on the shores and a bunch of soldiers coming out and, you know, gunning down civilians, it would be a major negative event around the world because of the spread of information.
It used to be that war was quiet and no one really knew what was going on.
And because no one knew, the US would be like, our heroic soldiers stopped the evil, and everyone would believe it.
Now we have the events filmed.
It was, I think in 2014, was the first time we had GoPro footage from both sides of a conflict.
There was a camera mounted on a tank, and a camera mounted on a few rival infantrymen, and they filmed both sides and uploaded it.
And the news organization found both and put them together like, you can watch both sides of the conflict.
unidentified
Holy cow.
tim pool
Now because of the spread of information, You can't get away with these atrocities.
adam crigler
Nope.
tim pool
Like, there's no way.
You know, the U.S.
nuked Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
There's no way that could happen this time.
The whole world would watch in horror and disgust.
adam crigler
Agreed.
tim pool
But it took a while for people to find out what had happened.
adam crigler
At least, I want, I really want to believe that.
tim pool
Theoretically, someone could launch an ICBM and no one would claim responsibility for it.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But then we would be like, the US would be like, we know it came from here.
And then everyone on the world would probably know.
adam crigler
Yeah.
I feel like propaganda almost is losing its edge though, because people aren't going for, you know, the classic news sources.
You know, they're going to YouTube.
They're finding the people like you, for example, that are like, I'm just reading everything and giving you my you know, view on it and it's not necessarily this, it's
not necessarily this, but this is what I've found.
You know, this is the truth that I've found and people are taking everything more with a grain of salt because
it's too obvious that everyone's skewing everything to try to like, you know, push their biased opinion, you know?
tim pool
Yeah, but in terms of... that's very much like local politics, like American politics.
Okay.
adam crigler
I am thinking very in American, that's a good point.
tim pool
Yeah, the Democrats, you've got like progressive YouTubers who'll be like, oh, harumph these conservatives, and then you'll have conservative, oh, harumph these, you know, liberals, and then you'll have moderates like, you know, oh, harumph whoever.
And that's very internal.
But I don't...
There's no progressive or lefty or Sanders supporter or even social justice activist who has said anything negative to me, as far as I can tell, over my criticisms of China.
They don't care.
They're focused on internal issues.
Was mad at me, you know, calling me all these names, was a pro-China YouTuber, apparently like a big personality in China.
For obvious reasons.
adam crigler
Yeah, makes sense.
tim pool
So the real issue is we do have internal political conflict, but I definitely think our foreign adversaries exploit that and try to make us fight each other more so we can't be focused on fighting them.
But now that we have this pandemic, it's been pretty bad because everyone's kind of leaning more towards China bad.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
For a lot of reasons.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, still the media hates Trump so much and this is really dangerous for us.
I think, you know what I really love about all of the like the super anti-government conspiracy theorist people is that the government can't even get control over all of this.
It's like you really think the government, you know, in all of its different functions and forms and divisions is in control enough If that was the case, then they would get rid of all of the anti-America sentiment, which is rampant and insane.
And they're like, oh, it's Russia.
They're smearing us and they're doing all these things.
And it's like, you can't even stop a few 13 hackers in Russia who spent a few thousand dollars and then not everyone's complaining about it.
The US government has got power in a lot of ways.
But they are not some all-powerful Illuminati entity twirling their mustaches.
I'm sure there's a lot of things they do that would surprise you, and you'd be like, wow, I can't believe they do that.
But when you've got adversarial conflict right now, the way it is with, like, China, you'd think the U.S.
government would be like, we need propaganda that's pro-America, and people who are disruptive to America should be stopped.
I don't think they don't do anything like that.
adam crigler
I still can't believe that the media hasn't like spread the the whole China was bringing in these These diseases for the past five years.
It's like a department of justice report, right?
How how is the media not reporting on that spreading that like telling not spreading it because that it feels like spreading lies But like that's actually a report from the Department of Justice like, you know, you don't understand, you know, ABC News did what?
tim pool
They ran a story claiming that sources say that back in November they reported to, you know, White House officials that there was this outbreak coming.
And then the, what is it, the National Center for Medical Intelligence, I think it's called, said no such report exists.
ABC ran with the story anyway, because sources say.
I don't know who the sources are, why you'd believe them, and you didn't publish any documents, so why should I believe you when the actual people there said that's not true?
And China was lying about this in January and only found out in December.
Why should I believe that your unnamed sources know better than the actual officials speaking out?
Why should I trust the random nobodies?
That's what the media has been doing.
adam crigler
Good point.
tim pool
It's really bad for America.
Unless there's something I don't understand and there's a grand conspiracy, fine, sure, whatever.
But right now you've got a media that is damaging the credibility of the U.S.
government, that is spreading lies that hurt the ability of the U.S.
government to respond to things.
Why, you know what?
We got serious problems, you know, in terms of international conflict, especially in the South China Sea.
adam crigler
I agree.
tim pool
And unfortunately, we, there is no, I mean, I'm saying this as a joke, there's no grand, you know, all-American militaristic conspiracy to control everything.
It would be so much more efficient for the U.S.
to go after its adversaries if that was a real thing.
Even when it comes to Hillary Clinton and the Qatar-Turkey pipeline and all that nonsense with Ukraine that was going on, they didn't even do a great job of it.
It's just agendas and people and these things change in government.
If we had a more efficient authoritarian government, we'd have a much easier time of going up against China like they do against us.
Or containing the coronavirus, if we should believe them, by welding people's doors shut and leaving them to die in their houses.
Yeah, we can't do that here.
So you know what?
adam crigler
If we were unified as a country, and it feels like we are, we are unifying.
I think so.
I think at the end of this, we're going to be much more together than we were before.
tim pool
Yeah, possibly.
lydia smith
I think we'll be a lot better about ignoring the media because we'll have watched them lie to us straight, left, right, and center.
tim pool
I think come November.
I'm willing to say it right now.
I'll make a bet.
I could be absolutely wrong about this.
lydia smith
Write this down.
tim pool
Because it's very early.
But I feel like based on everything that's happened so far, come November, especially with Joe Biden, we very well may see A mass majority of this country rally behind Trump and the administration.
His poll ratings will skyrocket.
I don't know for sure.
I know it feels like it's a strong possibility, at least as far as what I've seen, with his polls climbing better than they've ever been.
There are a lot of people who really, really hate the guy.
But you've got Bernie Sanders supporters who hate the DNC.
You've got Trump supporters who hate the DNC.
So already they've got a common enemy.
Joe Biden is a joke.
I don't know what they were thinking.
adam crigler
I agree.
tim pool
But with the pandemic, as bad as it is, I mean, you see what Chris Hayes said the other day?
adam crigler
No, what'd he say?
tim pool
So they came out, Dr. Fauci and Birx revised their numbers down from 240k to 60k.
Wow.
Or 100, whichever number you want.
adam crigler
Like the projected numbers?
Yeah.
Okay.
tim pool
So without social distancing, they were saying like 2 million or more.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
With social distancing, they were saying 200,000.
Now they're saying, based on current numbers, it looks like 60.
And Chris Hayes says the most cynical, you know, thing I can see, and I really don't want to believe it, or something like that, is that they fluffed the numbers up higher to anchor everyone to that number so that when the numbers were lower, people would think they did a good job.
Are you insane?
lydia smith
What?
tim pool
Man.
It's like how about the reason the number like Dr. Burks is the one who made the number up.
Are you accusing Dr. I'm sorry, Dr. Burks and Fauci, are you accusing these doctors
of creating fake numbers so they would look good? They're not even elected officials.
They're appointed as far as I can tell.
lydia smith
How would that make them look good? It's terrible.
Yeah.
tim pool
These people are weirdos.
Chris Hayes.
adam crigler
All I can think is, that's a significantly smaller number.
I'm so thankful.
tim pool
And it's still horrifying that many people are going to die.
adam crigler
Yeah, it sucks, but 60,000 is way better than 200,000.
That's the only thing I can think of.
So wait, we're going to put blame on them because they fluffed the numbers.
It's like, oh, come on.
tim pool
The main issue is just that there are people who hate the president so much, they will say these things.
But here's what I'm thinking.
I don't believe Chris Hayes actually knows or cares.
I think he's just trying to say things because that's what he's supposed to say.
Here's my tribe, here's what Trump does to be bad.
adam crigler
That's the media for you.
tim pool
So what happens if we have a really serious catastrophe, like COVID gets worse or something, and then Trump really does do a good job?
What's surprising to me is that even after the polls, the majority of polls are coming out in Trump's favor, The response from these people in media is, this can't be real, I refuse to believe it.
adam crigler
Impeach him.
tim pool
Right, well Alyssa Milano said she should be impeached for a news that wasn't even real.
And that's another thing too, like Snopes fact-checking the New York Times?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Like maybe we are unifying.
It's a cold day.
adam crigler
It feels like it.
It really does feel like it.
tim pool
So maybe by November we might be shocked to see, and I could be absolutely wrong about this, There's so much that could happen from now and then.
That's another thing that really annoys me about, you know, these activists will like to go back and look at things you said to make it out of context, to make it look like you're stupid.
adam crigler
I know.
tim pool
Because hindsight is 20-20.
adam crigler
That's what bugs me also.
You know, it's like people have to know you're allowed to make mistakes.
Humans make mistakes and we learn from them.
That's why we've been around as long as we have, because we've learned from our mistakes.
tim pool
Well, it's not even about mistakes either.
It's like right now I'm saying, man, I think Trump might have a really high approval rating.
And then a month from now, Trump walks out into Fifth Avenue and shoots somebody.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, like that's this famous thing.
He was like, I walk out of Fifth Avenue.
adam crigler
And then someone's like, well, Tim said that he's got a really good approval rating.
He's doing great.
And look, he shot a man.
It's like, right.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
But that was that was a month.
tim pool
No one knew that was going to happen.
adam crigler
He shot somebody.
tim pool
Exactly.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And they're like, where are you at now, Tim?
You think he's gonna get elected?
He didn't do that when I said.
He hasn't done that yet.
That's why I'm like, based off everything we're seeing now, is he perfect?
Far from it.
But the American people are generally approving.
Democrats and independents have a higher approval rating of him in his response to the coronavirus.
I think, depending on how bad this gets and how fast we can pull out of it, I mean, the economy is rebounding.
The CDC has already said people who are exposed can start getting back to work.
We might recover from this and people might say Trump was the leader when it happened and they might rally behind him.
I still think you're going to have a very strong contingent of orange man bad types.
But look man, look what Joe Rogan said.
He'd rather have Trump over Biden.
adam crigler
I am inclined to agree.
tim pool
I mean, yeah.
Look, people have argued that Trump has dementia and all this stuff, and it's like, you're only saying that because he talks weird.
He says weird things like bigly, or bigly, or whatever it is, I don't know.
adam crigler
I mean, I make up my own words.
lydia smith
Right?
adam crigler
I'm serious.
I do all the time.
It's fun.
tim pool
Trump does talk weird.
It's the adjectives he uses and the ways he describes things.
It's the best medication.
It's very big.
It's great.
But that's not dementia.
That's just him being an eccentric, strange billionaire.
Joe Biden says words but they don't make sentences.
And someone posted, I think it was like a MedRx thing, about word salad.
That when people are in the early stages of dementia, they start saying words, they're real words, but they don't make sense in their sentences.
adam crigler
Well, that reminds me of a certain somebody running for president right now.
tim pool
Well, yeah.
adam crigler
Joe Biden, for those wondering if it wasn't clear enough.
tim pool
There is no honest person who really believes that guy could be president.
I am flabbergasted by these Democrats who are like, yahoo, Joe Biden.
Why?
What are his policy positions?
lydia smith
Joe doesn't know.
tim pool
Joe doesn't know?
unidentified
He really doesn't.
tim pool
Did you see what Tucker Carlson said the other day?
He said, here's some serious questions that need to be asked.
Could Joe Biden find his car in a three-tiered parking lot?
Could he navigate a salad bar?
adam crigler
The fact that we're asking these questions is a problem.
tim pool
Well, listen, the salad bar thing was silly, but a three-tiered parking garage isn't.
adam crigler
No, it's not.
You're right.
tim pool
Like, you know, come on, we walk out of the store and we're like, oh man, where do we park?
And then it takes a quick second, like, ah, there we are.
adam crigler
Yeah.
Joke.
Yeah, it's like, yeah, I want to think that it's a joke, but the fact that it's actually serious is like, ooh, come on.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
Joe.
lydia smith
Come on, Joe.
tim pool
Joe.
unidentified
Retire.
adam crigler
Retire, man.
tim pool
For sure.
But on Twitter, and Twitter isn't real life, the progressives This is, this is, this is the crazy thing.
Like, I'm looking at mainstream blue checkie journalists tweeting, don't vote for Trump or Biden.
adam crigler
That to me was... What's the difference?
tim pool
No, no, they're saying don't vote.
unidentified
Why?
tim pool
I mean, like, you could vote third party for sure.
And I respect people who vote outside of two-party because I think voting on principles is the most important thing.
I'd rather vote third party even if I thought I was going to lose because I knew I stood on my principles.
But telling people not to vote because you're mad Bernie lost?
Okay, Trump's going to landslide.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
For real, man.
I don't want to act like literally every American is going to wear a Trump hat and go around singing.
I think we're going to see a lot of Democrats and Independents being like, yeah, I'll vote for the guy.
I don't like him though.
And I think we're going to end up seeing Trump win.
It might be like Nixon in his re-election or Reagan when they got like 500 electoral votes.
I don't know though.
You know, I really hate saying things like this because I, well actually, I hate saying them but I do love to go back.
Like hindsight.
adam crigler
And see that you were right.
tim pool
Yeah, like my video where I'm like, Republicans are gonna sweep the House in 2018, the Democrats are gonna lose, and the next day I'm like, well, about that.
adam crigler
Well, I was wrong.
tim pool
I was wrong about that one.
Way off.
adam crigler
Well, it's good to admit you're wrong.
tim pool
That's why I don't like making predictions.
You need to have that ability.
I can't see the future.
You know what I mean?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But we can move on and begin talking about, I don't know, what is it?
Like, how the coronavirus is bringing out toxic masculinity.
lydia smith
Yeah, let's talk about that.
adam crigler
Let's talk about that more.
Yay!
tim pool
Coronavirus reveals just how deep macho stereotypes run through society.
Oh, I love it.
And then we have this one from Vox.
Why are fewer women dying of the coronavirus?
Thank you, Vox, for now coming out and explaining to us that biological sex is an important factor, particularly in healthcare, which I've been saying for a long time.
lydia smith
It is a real thing.
tim pool
I don't want to pretend like Vox is the worst of all these organizations that come out and straight up say there's no such thing as biological sex, which we've heard.
But still, you know, because I've done a series of videos critiquing Vox for their very, very pro-intersectional view of gender and sex and all that stuff.
But before we do, let's move over to the Super Chats to everybody who's been patiently waiting for us to read your comments.
unidentified
Thank you, guys.
adam crigler
What up, everybody?
tim pool
The first thing you gotta do is hit that like button, subscribe, hit the notification bell, and follow our social media accounts.
We're on Twitter and Instagram and YouTube and all that stuff.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
And hop in the Super Chat if you haven't already, because now we are going to read comments.
Alright.
Ultimate Power says, if they bury all the bodies, then what will we eat?
More importantly, when the apocalypse comes, I know what island I'm not- when the zombie apocalypse comes, I don't know which island I'm going to avoid.
unidentified
Yep.
adam crigler
Heart Island?
tim pool
Yeah, so assuming the zombies can't swim?
Is that too insensitive?
I don't care if my jokes are offensive.
I'm not like Ellen.
adam crigler
Yeah, but see, we're used to the zombies that are portrayed in the movies.
Who knows, zombies aren't going to be like superhumans.
tim pool
Right, exactly.
adam crigler
Without brains, they will ignore fear, pain.
tim pool
But they're not going to, they need oxygen.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah, so it's like, are they going to be the infected kind of zombies or like the undead?
Because like the mystical paranormal ones.
What movie was it where they like walk on the ocean floor?
lydia smith
Oh, that was Pirates of the Caribbean, wasn't it?
tim pool
No, no, no, that was like 28 weeks later, I think.
adam crigler
Is that the second one?
tim pool
Yeah, and they have like, Manhattan is like, or some island is secure, but then the zombies go on the water and then, or whatever.
So if we're talking about infection, you know, like disease, like rabid or whatever, they need air.
adam crigler
No air.
tim pool
But if it's supernatural, where they're just animate.
adam crigler
They're the true undead.
tim pool
Yeah, then they can just float and be alive forever.
lydia smith
Do whatever they want, yeah.
tim pool
But if we, like, the realistic ones are the scarier ones, because the other ones, like, it's never gonna happen.
We'll see.
Professor Romandev says, Mass graves.
Did communism come early?
Well, we are awfully close, it would seem.
Brian M put an F in the super chat.
Appreciate it.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
Maddy Bones says, When life gives you lemons, make lemonade.
When life gives you Don lemons, make a donation to Timcast.
Appreciate it.
lydia smith
Excellent.
adam crigler
Nice.
tim pool
Joey Klein says, 2 a.m.
in the Netherlands here.
I love the work you all do.
Went to the doctors today with all symptoms for COVID, but they only test the hospital cases.
adam crigler
Oh, bummer.
Stay healthy, yo.
tim pool
Andrew Platt says, do you think Joe Biden would pick Michelle as VP in hopes for Obama's endorsement?
Yes, but I don't know if Michelle would attach her name to that failing ticket.
adam crigler
Yes, exactly my thoughts.
tim pool
Wolfsbane says, tried to explain the mutual fund fake news to a few friends on Facebook,
insinuated that I was defending him and me not just calling out media bias
can't win them all, I suppose.
That's exactly how I see it.
JP says, men aren't women though.
Well, now you will be banned from YouTube because that is bigotry.
Eric says, in Ontario, Canada, female 3101, male 26.
Interesting.
Oh, interesting.
lydia smith
That's kind of backwards.
tim pool
Thunder says, Tim, this is serious.
New report from Epoch Times with real news.
This is not the flu.
Think seriously about whether you want to publish after you see the report.
If you want, I'll put the video link in chat.
Interesting.
Holly Movie Star says, need segment on black Egyptian sarcophagus that people warned ancient curse would be unleashed on world if it was opened in 2018, it was still opened.
lydia smith
Of course it was.
adam crigler
I did see that.
For real?
Yeah.
tim pool
We should definitely talk about that.
adam crigler
Yeah, let's talk about it.
tim pool
Phil A says, four weeks into socialism and Bernie bailed out.
You see, we had the free trial of socialism and Bernie couldn't do it?
lydia smith
Yeah, nobody liked it.
unidentified
No.
adam crigler
That's funny.
tim pool
S. Head says, Apparently China has a secret Mars mission that may launch
in July.
Cue the conspiracy theories.
Andrew says, What are you talking about with a plague being unearthed in
the Arctic is actually the plot of a book series called After It Happened.
Well, right.
Yeah, it's the plot of many different articles and fictional stories.
Like, they drill into the ice caps to try and, you know, see what the air was like back then and they unleash a
virus.
Yeah.
Didn't I just watch a... wait, oh, wait, wait, wait.
There was some movie I watched where they did this and the guy turns into a vampire or something.
Really?
Yeah, yeah, I can't remember what movie that was.
adam crigler
I don't know.
tim pool
Oh, there was that TV show!
You know what I'm talking about?
It's on Netflix, I think.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Yeah, they're doing, like, Arctic Research, and they unearth, like, vampirism.
And then the guy turns into a vampire.
adam crigler
No idea.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
lydia smith
It might have been one of those short Shudder movies.
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
unidentified
No?
tim pool
It's a series on Netflix, like, 13 episodes.
unidentified
Hmm.
tim pool
It wasn't bad.
It was pretty good, actually.
lydia smith
I think I saw that one.
unidentified
Cool.
tim pool
Student of History says, in regards to your first view today, does WaPo think the weird turtle man is Korn the Blood God?
Also, 300k plus cases healthy worldwide for some good news.
Yeah, Washington Post wrote an article.
It's amazing.
It said, sitting on his throne of skulls, Mitch McConnell confirms 8,999th judge.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's that one we were looking at yesterday.
tim pool
The whole article was nuts.
The sky was grey and the buildings had collapsed.
A man crawling on all fours reaches up at Mitch McConnell and says, Why?
Perhaps it was Chuck Grassley.
What are you writing?
What are they trying to insinuate?
I couldn't tell if it was pro-Mitch McConnell or anti-Mitch McConnell.
lydia smith
Sounds pretty pro, Mitch McConaughey.
tim pool
It's making him look like like yeah, somebody posted a picture of of him sitting on a throne with like fire in the
sky And it's like this guy looks like a turtle and sounds like
one too when you're trying to make him seem like this Overlord on a throne of skulls
I don't know what their what their point was Super Bam Bam says Tim it don't pick on the quiet kid. It's
don't pick on the quiet kid in class. Oh my Among other sayings.
Hydro says, hey Tim, Adam, and Lydia, you guys making the homey cozy on this rainy LA day.
Numbers here aren't so bad and hopefully we keep inside.
Stay safe.
unidentified
Will do.
tim pool
Appreciate it.
Joseph says, positive news.
I build equipment for airlines.
No new orders for a month due to COVID.
We just got a bunch of new orders this week.
Few million dollar revenue.
Shows confidence in the administration and potential economy upswing.
And I would also bet- That's good news.
If these companies are starting to put in orders, they probably know something we don't.
lydia smith
Yeah, I bet they do.
tim pool
They probably got someone in the administration saying, heads up, get ready for this time.
We're going to be moving forward.
So, they don't want the public to panic.
But privately, they can probably give people a heads up.
unidentified
Hm.
tim pool
Brian says, all my friends told me you should watch Tim Pool.
You guys would be best friends.
Now that I have, I hate them because I can't stop watching.
unidentified
Thanks.
tim pool
Hey, I appreciate it.
lydia smith
Thanks, man.
tim pool
NGO, thanks for becoming a member.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
MindMillX says, you recently talked about how one could increase your testosterone level.
You said the trick was working out.
The real key is diet and sleep.
Oh, there you go.
lydia smith
Yeah, I wasn't sure.
adam crigler
All three things.
tim pool
Or apparently, Frank Thomas tells me there's something called Nugenics.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
tim pool
Have you seen those commercials?
Yeah, it's like, there's tons of commercials where he's just like, If you're a man over 50, you gotta take this pill.
GNC proves it.
And now they have one where, like, a bunch of other, like, former athletes are, like, a pro football player, and they're all- Wait, wait, let me guess.
adam crigler
Shaq?
No, I'm just kidding.
He's in everything, though.
tim pool
Shaq is?
No, he's in the general commercials for that fly-by-night car.
lydia smith
He's in a bunch, yeah.
adam crigler
That's the joke.
I was just making a joke.
lydia smith
Not him, though.
He's not quite old enough, I don't think.
tim pool
Jean McCloud says, uh, Tom, saw you on Crowder and think you are the most handsome man.
Must be the Japanese in you.
P.S.
I am a chick.
Appreciate it.
And, and that's actually true.
Uh, I, I am part Japanese.
adam crigler
Oh, I was gonna say, oh, you're attractive?
lydia smith
Oh, yes, indeed.
tim pool
No, no, because I often just say that I'm a quarter Korean, but I'm actually 5% Japanese.
I did not know your name was Tom.
Yes, well, I am also Tom.
lydia smith
Tim Tom.
adam crigler
Tom Poole.
tim pool
Tom Poole.
Gord Funk says, I'm more afraid of some pathogen being released from the ice melting than the sea level rising and extreme weather.
adam crigler
Or a combination of the two, because the ice melting will be washed around by the rising ocean.
tim pool
Yep.
Some ice chunk will break off and then drift around.
adam crigler
I mean, it already happened in New York.
It already happened.
tim pool
Anthrax.
adam crigler
Anthrax.
We talked about this the other day.
tim pool
It released from the ice.
adam crigler
Yeah.
The Arctic drilling, uh, they brought up, they found an anthrax pocket basically, and it started killing a bunch of people.
And they were like, Oh wow.
That was, that was stuck down there.
tim pool
What if that's what the curses were, like someone mentioned the sargophagus?
What if they, like, put some kind of, like, virus or contaminant in it?
adam crigler
Or contained it, finally.
And like, let's paint it black, because no one will ever open it then.
tim pool
You know what bugs me?
adam crigler
Cue humans now.
tim pool
I would prefer it if they actually captured the demon, you know, blood god in the sarcophagus and released him.
Because it's always so boring.
It's like they thought the flu was a demon possessing you.
And then they wrote books about all this crazy cool stuff we never see and we're like, oh man, vampires.
And it's like, actually the vampire was a guy who had an iron deficiency and so he looked very gaunt and pale.
And it's like, oh.
lydia smith
Boring.
tim pool
Yeah, they're in the hospital.
We see those people all the time.
Yeah.
They're not vampires.
adam crigler
Now we know everything.
Right.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
If only we can go back to a time where we don't know anything.
unidentified
Well, I mean, I don't want to make this joke.
adam crigler
I'm not going to continue.
tim pool
Have you seen or read Watchmen?
adam crigler
I haven't read it.
I saw the movie though.
tim pool
At the end when Dr. Manhattan says to Ozymandias, he's like, you know, it's the first time in a long time I didn't know it was going to happen.
He's like, I want to thank you because, you know, you've, I've actually got to experience some not knowing.
Yup.
I Guy says, CA has been changing the locks on churches.
In Lodi they shut down a service and changed the lock on the pastor.
Newsom is already, is really pushing it.
Yeah, that's a violation of the Constitution.
adam crigler
And yet at the same time, like I'm reading about all these different countries, the epicenter
of the reason it's so bad is all these church conventions.
In France, it wasn't, it wasn't the Smurf.
tim pool
It wasn't the Smurfs.
adam crigler
Well, that did play a part in it, but it was this 2,000, 3,000 person church convention that they had.
And then in South Korea, I think it's the same thing.
And they were shutting these churches down because people kept going.
And even still, you see these pastors are like, I'm blowing the coronavirus away with God's wind.
And it's like, that doesn't work.
unidentified
You're going... That's not spreading it!
tim pool
There's actually a bunch of some religious websites that are really pissed off about this.
adam crigler
Because one of the biggest... What, that they're saying that they're gonna blow the virus out?
tim pool
No, just that they're having these events.
adam crigler
Right, okay.
tim pool
Because the bigger thing, I'm seeing, like on Twitter I see this from a lot of religious people saying that they've innovated to the best of their abilities to maintain services, communion, while social distancing.
To respect our responsibility to society.
And then you get these more... I don't necessarily want to say they're all crazy, but some of them are.
And they make everybody look bad.
And then, of course, you'll end up with many people on the left latching onto that to try and claim that everybody who's religious is causing the problem.
When it's like, dude, the Smurf people contributed.
Is it as bad as it could be based on some of these more kooky pastors?
Maybe not.
But when you actually seek out what's really going on with churches, I watched a video, I think it was even from like a mainstream news like BuzzFeed or something, where a priest was outside and they kept six feet and you could come up by yourself and receive communion.
And it was like a very structured kind of drive-through thing.
Right, exactly.
adam crigler
Yeah, it was neat.
tim pool
Yeah, trying to like, listen, we're not crazy.
We understand there's a virus, but we're going to do the services to the best of our abilities.
adam crigler
Or webcam it, I don't know.
tim pool
And then it just takes one crazy dude to be like, ain't nobody gonna get me down!
Did you hear about the Easter Sunday thing with the militia?
adam crigler
No.
tim pool
The Bundys, the Ammon Bundy I think his name is, said that they are going to have Easter worship and no one's gonna stop them and they will defend it with physical force if they have to.
adam crigler
Where's that?
tim pool
Idaho.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Idaho's got it decently bad, and that's, it's a tough question.
You know, a lot of people, I see a lot of people say, oh, just follow the law if the law is passed and everything like that.
It's like, if the government just starts trampling all over the Constitution, do we just say, okay, well, I guess the Constitution's gone?
lydia smith
No.
tim pool
Or do we have to defend our rights and say you can't do it?
lydia smith
It's time for civil disobedience.
tim pool
Yeah, yup.
It's tough though because the biggest challenge is do you trust the government?
Right, but if the government comes out... Sorry, that cracked me up.
adam crigler
I guess we got your answer.
lydia smith
No way, yeah.
tim pool
If the government comes out and says there's a plague, are you gonna be like, liar?
Or are you gonna be like, I better stay inside?
adam crigler
I do believe them because as far as I know, that's how I know there's, well, a pandemic, not necessarily a plague, but you know, it's like we're getting our information from the governments.
tim pool
And what happens if, in a month from now, it's completely gone and cleared up, but they keep saying, nope, nope, it's there, look at these numbers?
Do you just go, okay?
It's hard to know.
adam crigler
I don't know.
tim pool
Look, because we want to be trusting.
It's one thing if the government was like, we've arbitrarily decided that you all must stay in your houses.
We'd be like, no.
But when they're like, please stay in your houses, there's a pandemic and people are dying, then you're like, okay.
And just like that, we all agree with it.
adam crigler
Good thing Final Fantasy VII Remake's coming out tonight, because I'll be good.
lydia smith
It's gonna make it.
tim pool
Yeah, just plug in and disappear.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
Alright.
Let's see, where are we at?
Alex says, today feels like a 90s game throwback.
Mitch McConnell is a half Doom guy, half Duke Nukem, and the victor of Ragnarok.
Adam gave hope in dire times with Final Fantasy VII.
Boom.
Padre says, thank you for the late afternoon entertainment.
Pim and Soybeanie.
Lydia Yemen.
Soybeanie.
adam crigler
That's good.
Soybeanie.
tim pool
Luke Wood says, meat lovers pizza for the win.
Keep up the good work.
Oh yeah, we had deep dish the other day.
lydia smith
It was totally worth it.
adam crigler
There's actually a vegan meat lover's pizza that's really good.
tim pool
Really?
adam crigler
Yeah, it's got different types of sausage on it.
tim pool
It sounds like a contradiction.
And you know, it's funny because people like to say soy all the time, but I'm pretty sure they use seitan more than anything else, right?
adam crigler
Yeah, which is good stuff though.
It's wheat gluten.
Right.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I might be vegan, but hey, I enjoy meat.
I like the taste of hemoglobin.
That's why Beyond Meat spent a lot of money trying to mimic the taste of blood with plants.
And man, I live in a wonderful age where I get to actually eat plants that taste like blood.
tim pool
Vampiric.
Riley says, Tim, thanks for what you do.
I listen to your content daily.
This donation is a protest against the mainstream media.
A conservative Navajo Army officer.
Cool.
Appreciate it.
unidentified
Right on.
tim pool
Very much so.
adam crigler
Right on.
tim pool
Roto says, Bacon, mmm.
I agree.
adam crigler
I agree.
tim pool
Chrism says, Tim, when you going to watch Gandahar or Wizards?
Um, can you write it down, I guess?
lydia smith
I'll write it down.
tim pool
Yeah, we'll check it out.
It's written down.
RJ, thanks for becoming a member.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
I write Tim and Adam fanfic.
unidentified
Ooh.
tim pool
Oh no.
adam crigler
That's the name.
tim pool
A. Adam Sama, Tim said blushing.
Yes, Tim Chan, Adam replied.
We mustn't.
But we must, Adam reached under Tim's beanie and began to massage his dome.
He gripped Tim's beanie and pulled it off.
That was totally worth the $10.
I should pay you for writing that.
lydia smith
I want to be this person.
adam crigler
That was amazing.
Thank you for that.
tim pool
This is not necessarily fan fiction, though.
This is something else.
I forgot what it's called.
unidentified
Oh, that's funny.
tim pool
South Park did an episode about it, where all the girls were writing, like, gay lover fiction about the boys.
lydia smith
I think technically it is called fanfic.
tim pool
Is it?
lydia smith
Yeah.
There's different kinds, but yeah.
Ugh, spicy.
tim pool
That was the best segment yet.
Redbeard says, company I work for just started doing furniture delivery again to VA and OBX area.
Full week of deliveries this week and next week.
unidentified
Yes.
adam crigler
Nice.
tim pool
Looks like we're back on.
adam crigler
Feels good.
tim pool
Looks like we're back.
lydia smith
Yeah, man.
tim pool
Yeah, that's because I think the CDC was saying if you've been sick or exposed, you're good to get back to work.
So I think.
First thing I'm going to do is I'm going to go to Best Buy and just walk around and be like, I'll take one of those, I'll take one of those, and then I'm going to return everything.
adam crigler
See you later.
tim pool
Because I'm bored.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
Suba Bam Bam says, did you see the story on Fox News about the Georgia bar that removed close to $4K worth of dollars stapled to the inside as decoration and donated it to staff?
I did see that.
unidentified
Whoa, that's cool.
tim pool
Yeah, the money on the wall.
Yeah, crazy.
lydia smith
Awesome.
adam crigler
That's cool.
tim pool
Kate Bell says, never in a million years would I have, would, would, uh, never in a million years would have thought I would be trusting and have more faith in a skateboarding kid to comment on news stories in the MSN, MSM.
To be fair, I am 34 years old.
Yeah.
I worked for a bunch of news organizations.
lydia smith
Carry it well.
adam crigler
But the skateboarding part, very accurate.
tim pool
Yeah.
You know, it's funny though.
We, we look at kids like on scooters or rollerblades and you don't see that in your generation.
You see it in kids.
And so those are the kids to you when you're older, they're still the kids, but now they're adults and they're like running businesses, you know?
adam crigler
Yeah.
unidentified
Right.
adam crigler
The millennials aren't the youngins to blame for things anymore.
tim pool
I think, well, I think that was a family guy joke.
Someone was like, mentions millennials.
And then I think Lois goes like, I don't know, millennials.
Aren't they 40?
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Yes, they are.
unidentified
We are.
adam crigler
Well, the oldest, the elder millennials are just getting close to it.
Well, it used to be like 83, 84. Now it's been pushed back to 80, I guess.
tim pool
There's different scales.
I don't know.
It depends on what you Google.
adam crigler
I liked when it was 83, 84 because that means I'm like the eldest millennial.
tim pool
But I mean, generations don't even necessarily make sense, because it's not like everyone's born the same year.
adam crigler
I know, right, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, so then they're talking about like Xennials, Exials.
They're people who were born in like 81, 82.
They're almost Gen Xers.
adam crigler
Well, like the Baby Boomers was like a long span and that makes sense.
Yeah.
Now we're just like so obsessed with naming everything that we're like coming up with all the different things for whatever.
It's like, you know what?
In 30 years, no one's going to remember all of these crazy names we're coming up with.
lydia smith
Right.
adam crigler
It's good.
They're going to come up with something for this generation, probably the crazy generation.
Man, people were crazy back then.
tim pool
All right, I am going to start speeding up, so I apologize for the superchats.
I cannot get to, but we do have too many.
M.H.
Keffie, thanks for becoming a member.
Kevin, thanks for becoming a member.
adam crigler
Thank you both.
tim pool
Lucifer says, so let's aim for space colonization.
Absolutely.
Nathan says, a preacher estimated all the Baguette children to be about 7 billion people on Earth before the Great Flood in the Bible.
There is 7.8 billion.
Maybe God is telling us something.
Maybe it will be, what, we got locusts in Egypt.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
We got earthquake in Idaho.
adam crigler
Someone said that without the Tower of Babylon, is that what it is?
lydia smith
The Tower of Babel.
adam crigler
And that's not here yet, so we're good.
tim pool
Really?
adam crigler
I don't know anything about it actually, but I remember someone super chatted us.
They were like, no, no, no, we're good.
The tower has not been seen yet.
tim pool
Can I donate to start that project?
adam crigler
Start building it?
tim pool
Yeah, let's get going, man.
It's the waiting.
I can't stand.
Where is it supposed to be?
adam crigler
This is somewhere in the Middle East.
tim pool
Ancient Sumeria?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Where is that now?
adam crigler
Iraq?
unidentified
Yeah, Iraq and Iran, probably.
tim pool
Well, then.
unidentified
Let's get that going.
tim pool
AmericaFloat says, Zinc and chloroquine is the cure, homies.
Say no to this global vaccine push.
SunCormack says, Brighton, Colorado.
Arrest father with his daughter in the park.
Abuse of power with social distancing.
Oh, I did a video about this.
It's ridiculous.
Yeah, man.
They ended up letting him go.
unidentified
Cops apologized.
Yeah.
tim pool
Some call me Casey, says, halfway to seeing snake Plissken walking around town.
I don't know what that is.
adam crigler
Same.
tim pool
Pink says, demographers say world population will stop growing by 2100 and it will go down from there forever.
Today, 30 countries have more dying than being born.
It's mostly prosperous countries.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
New York, I believe in 2017, had four births.
adam crigler
Four.
tim pool
Per day.
adam crigler
Oh, per day.
unidentified
Okay, I was like, four?
tim pool
And eight.
unidentified
It's the end.
adam crigler
I was like, dang, that's nothing.
Four?
Four per day, okay.
unidentified
That seems a little small.
tim pool
No, no, no.
My numbers are way wrong.
I think what I was actually looking at, it was like for every two deaths, there was one birth.
lydia smith
Okay.
adam crigler
So it's like they're definitely going down.
tim pool
So the population was declining.
But I could be wrong.
Maybe I read that wrong.
adam crigler
I heard that that's kind of like a general thing around the globe.
tim pool
Totally.
Well, only in rich countries where people are perpetual children.
unidentified
Where women are given an option.
adam crigler
It's true.
tim pool
Yeah?
What about Sweden?
unidentified
They're on the decline.
adam crigler
Child deaths are probably much more prevalent in those third world countries too.
unidentified
Exactly, so they'll have like eight or ten kids.
adam crigler
Right, and only two or four, yeah.
tim pool
Well, then you know what?
Maybe we'll never make it to Mars.
lydia smith
Yeah, who knows?
tim pool
Student of History says, Timbo Slice, the international man of mystery.
You know it.
Uncle Bubba says, you need to make t-shirts that read, Harumph, I say.
Well, I mean, it's just a general joke, but you know, perhaps.
All right, let's see.
Superchat just did one of those wonderful jumps.
adam crigler
The jumps.
tim pool
Brian Telford says, I have never voted Republican in my life.
After the impeachment sham and the crown of fear from the news, I am voting for Trump.
I may never vote Democrat again, he says.
Wow.
adam crigler
Democrats are doing it to themselves.
tim pool
They totally are.
Jamie, thanks for the super chat.
KX says, my elderly gay former meth dealing front desk secretary watches your vids every day on loudspeaker in our apartment lobby all day long every day for a year and a half straight.
Your number one fan.
Wow, they sound awesome.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
Swampy says, World Health Organization talked about people being out of their homes.
YouTube updates their terms.
Says no videos about people in distress.
Next to it says, people being forcibly removed from their location.
unidentified
Whoa.
tim pool
What?
lydia smith
I gotta look that up.
No way.
adam crigler
Is that true?
tim pool
Here we go.
lydia smith
I would be inclined to believe it.
tim pool
It's probably about China.
lydia smith
Yeah.
adam crigler
That's a good point.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Scott says, check out the Brown Mountain Lights in NC.
Bunch of videos and some scientific investigations.
Ooh, will do.
Very cool.
Clint Flippo says, is anyone looking forward to Final Fantasy VII Remake?
adam crigler
This guy right here.
unidentified
No one that I know of.
adam crigler
I am very excited.
It's already downloaded.
It's on my PlayStation upstairs.
I cannot wait.
That's all I'm thinking about right now.
I just want to play it.
tim pool
So as soon as the clock strikes.
adam crigler
For 22 years.
Final Fantasy VII came out 23 years ago. 1997.
And I got it.
I was waiting to get that game and I played it and I was like, this is amazing.
And all my friends were like, this is amazing.
And then I just played it for like a year straight.
And then I said, man, wouldn't it be amazing if they remade it?
I didn't even, I mean, I played the rest of them actually.
I really like Final Fantasy, but they did remake this, this game.
tim pool
You're close.
adam crigler
They listened.
tim pool
Only about two hours and 45, 43 minutes.
I can't wait.
Oh, I can't wait.
Damian Maddox says, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have shut down all services worldwide until this blows over.
We've prepped for this.
We'll all be fine and get through this if we just sit at home.
It's that easy.
adam crigler
Good point.
tim pool
Morph1 says, hey Tim, perhaps you can get in touch with Rogan and do a half-and-half cast.
Either way, you would be his best guest all month.
Hey Lydia, give us a cameo if you're up for it.
I think I speak for all of us.
We'll figure it.
We'll figure out the camera stuff.
We keep saying it, but I think it's just that we all kind of work a lot.
Adam's going to be very, very busy working on that Final Fantasy VII, so he's going to have no time for this.
adam crigler
Yeah, I've got no time for at least a month.
tim pool
Too much work.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
tim pool
Russ says, I'm paying you to call out the lies of the mainstream media.
Thanks, Tim.
Oh, you don't need to pay me to do it.
I do it because I can't stand these people.
unidentified
Drives me crazy.
tim pool
Oh, man.
I want to say something, but I can't say it.
But I will just say this.
I have received messages from some of these mainstream journalists.
adam crigler
Oh, really?
tim pool
Oh, and they're such crybabies.
Such crybabies.
unidentified
I know who you're thinking of.
tim pool
Because I know most of them.
And they always try to justify their ridiculous positions.
adam crigler
After they hear how you rip them apart, then they're like, well, wait, I gotta explain myself to you.
tim pool
I think it's because they feel, like, embarrassed.
unidentified
They should.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
Yeah, they should, right?
So look, I used to work for these companies in New York.
I know a lot of these people.
And some of the stuff they write, they know is total BS.
adam crigler
Yeah, but they know it'll get the clicks.
tim pool
And then when I make videos and I'm like, look at this, I'll get a message where it's like, look, you know, I'm just saying, you know, I think, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, uh-uh.
adam crigler
Whatever you say right now doesn't matter.
tim pool
It doesn't matter.
adam crigler
It doesn't matter.
tim pool
You're full of it.
You know you're full of it, and you're trying to justify your position.
You're trying to like squeeze in some excuse so you can sleep well at night, because you know you're not a journalist anymore.
I feel bad.
Some of these people got into this thinking, like, I really want to go down there and report on, like, real issues of police brutality and, you know, civil rights and liberties and free speech, and now they're in their, you know, New York office writing about Brad Pitt's junk.
And like the social justice implication of the white male gaze.
And then I'm like, that's not real.
And they're like, well, you know, you got to understand.
I'm like, no, I don't got to understand anything, dude.
You used to write about protests and civil liberties and freedom.
And now you write about stupid ideological dogma.
unidentified
And they get all mad like, well, you're, you're, you know, you're not even a journalist anymore.
tim pool
And I'm like, I don't care.
I didn't say I was.
adam crigler
Well, you, you wear a beanie all the time.
It's like, great.
unidentified
You're the one who started this conversation.
tim pool
No, but typically the stuff they send me is like, it's not even an argument.
It's just emotional venting where they're like, it's, it's, you know, like, oh, you think you're so big that you're going to, you're going to talk about what I'm doing to find whatever.
It's stuff like that.
adam crigler
And I'm like, well, I talk about what everyone's doing.
So I've reached out special.
tim pool
I've reached out to like, uh, you know, some of these top, like, I'll, I'll just say like, I've reached out to Ben Smith, formerly of Buzzfeed when Buzzfeed's written fake news and they won't correct it.
They don't care.
They know.
And they're like, mm, well, good enough for us.
adam crigler
I know, but it gets good hits, so we're just gonna leave it.
tim pool
Well, listen.
It's like I said the other day.
You write fake news, you get a million views, the next day you correct it, you get 30,000 views.
Either way, you already made the money.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
So it's probably factored into their business model.
I wouldn't be surprised if these editor-in-chiefs or, like, the people running the business are actually projecting out, like, we've allotted for two fake news stories with a correction every month.
Can you pull it off?
Think about it.
Like, you've seen all the prank videos on YouTube, right?
Have you seen those videos?
The pranks?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
I have.
I had a friend who was adamant.
There was a video you watch where a guy went around saying, Hey, my neighbor.
Two people really fast.
Hey, my neighbor.
And he would go into a black neighborhood and go, what's up, my neighbor?
And then the people would be like, yo, what did you say to me?
And he'd be like, what?
What's your problem?
And then you get into a fight.
And he would be like, my friend's showing me this, like, dude, you gotta see what these people are doing.
And I'm like, bro, that's all fake.
And he was like, no way, dude, it's real.
And I was like, are you kidding me, man?
Look, I grew up in a mixed area on the south side of Chicago.
Do you know what would happen if you walked up to somebody on the street and was like, you know, what up, my neighbor?
They go like this ago, so and they keep walking right you could literally call them a slur and you know what they would do They'd be like What?
And they'd walk away.
They wouldn't just get in your face and start swinging at you.
These are all fake.
adam crigler
Well, there's a slim percentage that probably would, but that's not, yeah, it's all fake.
unidentified
It's fake.
adam crigler
It's not normal.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Turns out, now, we know they're fake because new policy updates say, if you don't label this, so like, if you put up a prank video, and it shows people getting hurt, then it'll get removed from most platforms.
So now these, you'll see prank people putting disclaimers in, saying like, these are all performers, it's all fake.
Which really ruins what the video is supposed to be.
unidentified
Kind of ruins everything.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
Good.
tim pool
So here's what I tell people.
Do you think that these news organizations don't know if they write fake news they'll get clicks?
They all know it.
adam crigler
They know it.
tim pool
And they know there's a certain boundary they can push upon to where they'll still be considered credible because sometimes, you know, we make mistakes.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
So I would not be surprised if you go to one of these offices and they're like, um, where are we on views?
So here's how it works.
They'll sell a certain amount of views, so without calling out anyone individually, they'll like tell a company, we'll guarantee you 500,000 views for X amount of dollars.
And it takes as long as they need to get those views.
So, it might be a day with one article getting half a million views.
It might be a month because you're only getting a few thousand per article, but they guarantee you the views over however long, whatever period of time.
Near the end of the month, they might be saying, we won't be able to renew this contract because we haven't completed the view delivery.
What can we do?
adam crigler
Boom, fake news.
tim pool
Can you write a story about Hillary Clinton running in 2020?
Yes.
Okay, boom, there's our million views, we're good to go.
Now, can you put out an apology and retract it?
Yep.
Sources say.
Look, man, the people who run the businesses don't care about ethics.
They care about getting their deliverables to, you know, their clients.
So I'm not saying I've personally witnessed this kind of thing.
I'm just saying, considerate when you're talking about money.
Journalists might have scruples.
The business people are like, look, I'm just trying to sell eyeballs, man.
So write the story, say Clinton's running, we'll apologize tomorrow, we'll get a million hits.
Obviously no one's ever written that she is running, but you can see it in some of the stories they do.
adam crigler
I did make a joke that once Biden said that, actually before Biden announced that he was gonna pick a girl as his running mate, I always said like, man, he's gonna pick Hillary and croak.
tim pool
I don't think he'll pick Hillary.
adam crigler
No, no.
I think he'll croak though.
unidentified
I do think he will croak.
tim pool
I'm not trying to be mean.
adam crigler
I know.
unidentified
Whether he picks Hillary or not.
adam crigler
Whoever it is.
tim pool
Listen, I mean this sincerely and I do not mean this... It's the job that's killing him.
I don't think he's doing anything.
I think he's sleeping all day.
adam crigler
Really?
tim pool
And they got a few minutes per day.
adam crigler
Pre-browse him before the makeup powders face real quick.
Get out there.
Go say something.
tim pool
I wouldn't be surprised if Biden's got a good 20 minutes per day, you know, of like alertness,
of lucidity.
And so they do all the work for him, get him ready, prop him up, put the sunglasses on
and put the marionette strings on his arms.
adam crigler
It's like, cause it's too late.
It's too late to rally anyone else against Bernie.
tim pool
They did it on purpose and I don't know why.
Like we were reading the story earlier where all of these different Democratic people running
like Buttigieg and Klobuchar outraised Joe Biden.
So Joe Biden wasn't even raising money, yet they still propped him up to win.
adam crigler
Yeah, they did.
tim pool
Bernie Sanders raised $100 million more than Joe Biden.
Look, I don't care if you like or dislike Bernie Sanders.
He was the choice.
adam crigler
Yeah, he was.
tim pool
As far as anyone who's active in politics on the Democrat side was concerned.
I think it's fair to say maybe it's just a bunch of Biden supporters are passive and not paying attention.
I have no idea, but it does not seem to make sense that Joe Biden had no grassroots support, but he still got it.
Alright, let's read some more of these Super Chats.
Juan Machado says, does that globe a nine dash on the South China Sea?
Ah, does it have a dash?
It doesn't.
I'm looking at it right now and it doesn't.
adam crigler
Nope.
tim pool
It was not made in China.
Justin Wright says, the freight situation is not so clear.
Hard to find loads in the 500 mile range.
My company can find work moving out of Wisconsin.
Much harder to get back.
Interesting.
adam crigler
Hmm.
All right.
There's a jump.
tim pool
There we go.
unidentified
Oh, nice.
tim pool
Not Heisenberg says I followed Lydia on Twitter, and now I have to replace my mental image of the disembodied voice.
Thanks, everyone.
You're welcome.
Because you can see her face.
unidentified
I know.
lydia smith
It's crazy.
tim pool
Socialism is for figs says our ancestors had to fight a massive war to save the world.
We just have to sit at home and play games.
Really, really hard times.
I drive a semi and still have a PS4 in the rig.
That's cool.
adam crigler
Nice.
tim pool
I tweeted about that.
A ton of people started attacking me, like, How dare you?
You have no idea.
And I was like, listen, I know people lost their jobs.
I know they can't pay rent.
You want to compare getting shot on the beaches of Normandy to not being able to pay your rent?
You're free to do so.
I don't care.
Vongo, thanks for the super chat.
Vipera says, I was born in 82 and growing up I was told I was Gen X by adults.
Then last year I was told I was a millennial.
Also, the shifting of the gen dates left my mother and sister one year from being the same generation.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
Kyle Miller says, Soy Jesus, how about you livestream Final Fantasy VII tomorrow?
Would be fun to watch.
Also, if you dye your hair white, I will call you Sephiroth.
Soy Sephiroth, sorry.
Soy Sephiroth.
adam crigler
Wow, so many levels here.
First off, amazing.
I love Sephiroth.
He's a really amazing character.
And I think what I'm going to do is play the game myself, because I've been looking forward to this game for a very long time, and I want to just soak it up.
So I'm going to do one playthrough, just myself, just playing it, and then I'm going to actually do a livestream of the game again.
And, uh, I don't see myself dyeing my hair white, but man would I love to cosplay Setheroth.
Man, he is... You could do it.
Sweet.
tim pool
Jessica says the overflowing hospitals you see on the news are cherry-picked.
We have thousands of cases in upstate New York, and the hospitals are not even close to capacity.
Actual nurses here say it's fake news.
They're definitely... well, it's hard to... I don't know if I would say cherry-picked, but they're highlighting for sure the hospitals that are being overrun.
unidentified
Yeah, there's a tendency to the dramatic, definitely.
adam crigler
Right.
And upstate New York is not the epicenter of what's happening, you know?
It's like...
How far upstate is it?
Upstate New York is a lot of space.
tim pool
I think it's important and fair to point out not every hospital is overrun.
I also think it's very important to point out New York has begun digging mass graves for the dead in New York City.
New York City is insanely dense.
adam crigler
They haven't begun.
They've always done it.
tim pool
No, I mean for the COVID deaths.
adam crigler
Right, but what's that if they've been doing mass graves?
It's like he even said it's like we've been doing this.
This is like half of them might not be COVID deaths.
They just are continuing on, you know?
tim pool
Well now they have substantially more dead in New York City.
So they're hiring contractors instead of prison labor.
So, look, you get it.
unidentified
Whatever.
adam crigler
Yeah, I do.
tim pool
The point is made.
All right, what do you got?
adam crigler
Soy for off.
tim pool
Soy for off?
Bongo says, you guys would have a blast here in Puerto Rico.
Keep up the great work.
By the way, what do you think of the political situation here in Puerto Rico?
I honestly don't know a whole lot about it.
unidentified
Not familiar enough.
adam crigler
I have been to Puerto Rico, and it is awesome.
The people there are incredible.
I have some Puerto Rican friends in New York.
In Brooklyn, there's a pretty solid Puerto Rican area.
I lived right in the middle of it.
tim pool
Do they do mongoo in Puerto Rico?
unidentified
They're awesome.
adam crigler
They're awesome.
I don't know what mongoo is.
tim pool
The mashed plantains?
adam crigler
I didn't have it in Puerto Rico, but I did have it in Brooklyn where I was living.
tim pool
I think it's Dominican food.
adam crigler
I mean, why aren't they a state if we do control them?
I don't really know too much about it, but they should have the right to vote as far as I'm concerned.
I think it's their choice.
I don't know if they can vote.
I'm not a politician, so I don't...
I don't know exactly the depths of it all, but it's like... I don't know.
I love Puerto Rico, though.
Rock out, Puerto Ricans.
You guys are great.
tim pool
Eslor says, just pitching in.
Appreciate it.
Jacob says, hey Tim, I'm a new listener, but I just wanted to say I love your content.
Keep doing what you do.
Thank you very much.
Appreciate it.
adam crigler
Nice.
tim pool
Master of Skitarii says, off topic, but have you seen the Estardas channel and his awesome videos?
They are pretty epic, since you missed me.
I did not see it.
We'll check it out.
Michael Connor says, so tired of having to explain to people the differences between a racist and a xenophobe.
All the people that cried racist effed everything up.
Bongo X says, yes, soy Jesus.
unidentified
Yes!
tim pool
Excellent.
adam crigler
Yes.
tim pool
Excellent.
Well, how about we talk about what it means to be a real man?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
The Conversation writes, the coronavirus reveals just how deep macho stereotypes run through society.
And you know what I actually saw in that headline?
Yadda yadda, grumble mumble, social justice nonsense, coronavirus.
unidentified
Yep, I saw that too.
adam crigler
Nailed it.
tim pool
I read that now, that's all I see.
unidentified
Blah blah blah blah blah blah.
tim pool
Social justice, social justice.
We can shoehorn our ideology into anything.
Macho stereotypes.
adam crigler
See, now this is how we know that the pandemic is coming to an end.
tim pool
Social justice is back.
adam crigler
It's back on the rise again.
tim pool
We're running out of things to talk about, so they're putting this stuff back in.
And I am very happy to say that while we still are talking about the pandemic, as you mentioned, we're on the downswing, so we get to pretend to be angry at them pretending to be angry about macho stereotypes.
I mean that only somewhat.
I think we're angry a little bit.
So let's be fair and see what they have to say.
Because maybe we'll agree with them.
unidentified
Yeah, maybe.
adam crigler
There's always a chance.
tim pool
Here's what the conversation writes.
Early indications suggest more men are dying from COVID-19 than women.
unidentified
Strong start.
tim pool
Although some countries, including the UK, are not publishing data on this.
Experts aren't sure exactly why this might be.
It may in part be due to differences in biology.
Suggestions have been made, for example, that it might be because men and women have a different immune response, and that men's immune systems may not activate in the same way as women's to fight the virus.
But lifestyle and behavior are also likely to play a role.
For a start, Men are more likely to have underlying health problems relevant to COVID-19 such as high blood pressure, cardiovascular disease, and some chronic lung diseases.
This is in part because men are more likely to engage in risky behavior such as smoking, drinking, and drug-taking.
Is that a macho stereotype?
I don't know.
Research also seems to indicate that some men may take personal hygiene, such as hand-washing, less seriously than women.
I agree.
This could be due to the fact that cleanliness is often associated with femininity, domesticity, and beatification.
Okay, now you entirely lost me.
I think it has to do more with guys not caring.
unidentified
They're lazy.
tim pool
They roll out of bed, they don't take a shower, they slap a hat on their greasy heads, and they're like, let's go skate.
That's about it.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
I don't care.
It has nothing to do with like, oh no, if I wash my hands, I might be a woman.
I don't think any dude has ever thought that.
adam crigler
Nope.
Maybe.
I mean, I can only speak for myself.
I have not thought that.
tim pool
Maybe in the 1200s.
unidentified
I will not be a dainty flower and wash my hands.
tim pool
I'm a warrior!
unidentified
That's right.
tim pool
However, the writer Carolyn Criado-Perez has also pointed out that because most medical research focuses on male bodies, there is a lack of understanding about why women may be better able to fend off this virus.
Now hold on there, the conversation.
This is a particularly transphobic assessment.
Women's bodies?
Women can be born male.
unidentified
Whoa, I'm really triggered right now.
tim pool
If we're going to go by the standard set of social justice narratives, this is very confusing.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
They're trying to talk about femininity, male behaviors, but I don't know.
I'm very confused by what the point is anymore because this ideology makes zero sense.
adam crigler
Well, and they started this article by saying, expert are unsure exactly why this may be.
It's like, what?
So wait, you led with, we don't know exactly why the title of the article says this, but I'm going to give you all my opinion on it.
That's what I read from there.
So, and what you just read is just like, yep, exactly.
It's what you think.
tim pool
You know, they have a story here.
Oh, they're linking to slate.com.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
adam crigler
What's slate?
unidentified
Slate is regressive leftist.
Great.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
So when they mentioned that men, or that cleanliness is associated with femininity, domesticity, and beautification, I'm like, what's their source?
Because they did put a source.
Ah, it's Slate, their aggressive left website.
unidentified
One strike.
tim pool
You know, to be fair, Slate did write correctly about my trip to Sweden, only because it benefited them politically in the beginning.
unidentified
Oh, that's nice.
tim pool
So it's funny, though, because people rag on me for going to Sweden and reporting what I did.
I'm like, I don't know.
Slate in the Huffington Post said I was right.
Here's what they write.
Loneliness and social isolation.
The COVID-19 pandemic has also highlighted the different roles men and women are still expected to play in society.
Men are not only less likely to take care of themselves, but also less likely to be involved in caring for others.
It is striking how much women are depended on to deliver both low-paid and unpaid care work, whether for children, disabled people, older people, or those in ill health.
Indeed, the pandemic is placing additional caring responsibilities on women.
I'm curious about their assessment of this.
A woman taking care of her own child.
Right?
That's the unpaid caretaking, right?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
I don't think women are going off on routine to, like, work at daycares for no money.
Right?
unidentified
Yeah.
Yeah, you're correct.
So that they're slotting this in under being a mother.
tim pool
Right.
That's why I'm like, what if the woman got a job and the man, I don't know, like, I don't understand how this is, like, an issue for you.
You have kids, you take care of them.
Congratulations, you're a parent.
unidentified
And if you're lucky, your parents live a long time and you might have to take care of them too.
tim pool
COVID-19 is forcing people to reflect upon human fragility, mutuality, and interdependence.
Oh, here come the weird adjectives and pronouns.
But gender norms also require men to be invulnerable, always strong and self-sufficient.
Does it?
Men who also tend to socialize more in groups in public may take social distancing less seriously than women.
They may find it difficult to accept.
They need help too, seeing it as unmanly to do so.
adam crigler
Where's that source from?
tim pool
What is this?
adam crigler
Wait, what?
You just completely lost me.
tim pool
PromundoGlobal.org.
Masculine norms and men's health making the connections executive summary.
That's their source.
adam crigler
No, if I'm going to do a job and I need help doing it, I'm not going to do that job.
I'm going to go find someone to help me.
I like getting other ideas because sometimes mine aren't the best.
tim pool
This is what we were talking about yesterday.
Why male feminists aren't real men.
adam crigler
Exactly.
Yeah.
It's a lie.
Right.
tim pool
They're pretending to be tough and just saying what they think they need to say.
That's not real man or manly.
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
Most guys I know who are regular guys don't think this way at all.
It's a weird caricature.
adam crigler
It is weird.
tim pool
It's like feminists got together and started drawing a picture.
It's like, ooh, make the eyes really big.
Now make his cheeks really high.
Okay, make his brow really curled.
And they're drawing this picture where they're all pitching in weird things.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
They take bits of every person they've ever hated and mash it all together and they've like drawn Gaston, you know?
unidentified
Yeah, I think you're right.
tim pool
From Beauty and the Beast, you know?
adam crigler
Oh yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
Older men in particular are more likely to experience loneliness and social isolation.
What's your source on that one?
Bristol.ac.uk, but that I believe.
And this could put them at increased risk of mental health problems.
adam crigler
Okay.
unidentified
That's terrible.
tim pool
Gender norms also expect men to be powerful and in control.
So while many men may relish the opportunity to be more involved at home, some have used it to assert more dominance and control over their partners and children.
This is r- this is so weird.
adam crigler
It's really, it's getting further and further down the hole.
tim pool
Yeah, that's the goal though, because they know if regular people read it, and they start with the crazy first, they'll be like, I'm out.
So you gotta rope them in, you know?
unidentified
Yeah, take it real slow.
tim pool
Alright, what is this?
adam crigler
Yeah, please.
tim pool
Oh, there it is!
Patriarchy.
unidentified
Yes, we made it.
tim pool
We made it to the patriarchy.
adam crigler
Of course, further down.
Tripped and started rolling, and then smack face into the patriarchy.
tim pool
These patriarchal discourses can have serious implications for government policy, such as encouraging overly militaristic authoritarian approaches and prioritizing male-dominated sectors of the economy and society.
For instance, women are more likely to be in temporary, informal, or precarious work, which falls outside the protection packages being established.
You know what, man?
So women don't choose to be petroleum engineers.
We need petroleum for the economy to function, for cars.
And then they're complaining that we're not prioritizing their not-as-necessary job.
How important is it for some of the work that they're doing?
Probably important, with a reason.
adam crigler
Well, for specific jobs, sure.
tim pool
But there's a reason why some things are paid more than others, like high risk or high necessity.
So if you're not working in petroleum engineering, which is a very important role in sustaining the economy, as much as environmentalists might not like to hear it, then don't be surprised when the government doesn't say, we're going to make feminist dance class an essential function.
We're going to subsidize all feminist interpretive dance lessons.
Why would they do that?
Okay, I know I'm exaggerating, but... You know, they... Is part of the argument that if you're a mother you should be paid something?
adam crigler
Yes.
tim pool
Like, if you have a kid?
adam crigler
Is that the argument?
unidentified
Yeah, they call it unpaid and they call it emotional labor.
tim pool
Who should pay you?
unidentified
I the government.
I'm sure it comes from the government.
tim pool
The government should pay me because I had kids.
I mean, they kind of do that in what country is hungry.
Was it?
unidentified
Yeah. If you have more than a certain number of children, you get a tax break.
tim pool
Yeah. Yeah.
A tax refund.
All right. Here's what they say.
More broadly, this crisis is a huge opportunity to reassess political priorities and gender relations.
It offers the chance to overturn years of neglect by recognizing the essential contribution of care to society.
This will not only help to encourage men to play their part, but it will go some way towards shifting harmful gender norms in the aftermath of the COVID-19 pandemic.
adam crigler
Well, bravo.
We did a video, and if you guys missed this video, Go watch it because there's so much that we can say, but we've said it.
We've had this conversation so many times.
And what I'm really thinking of right now is, is the, what was that video that we said?
Who are the real, um, privileged in the society?
Yeah, it's it's women.
Yeah, well and we explain it though.
We go through it in depth in this video Right and and and there's a there's an age level and it changes vital value changes through the years So it's not always true.
tim pool
Yeah, but for the most part it is well, no, no, no, no, it's early on in Yeah, early on it.
adam crigler
So early on it.
Right.
And as it gets, as they get older, they get less and less important.
And that's the louder and louder mouth happens.
tim pool
So the general problem, my hypothesis is that, so when you look at the data, dating data
from like OkCupid, and you look at other data, you can see that young women have, are the
baseline for highest possibility societal value.
And young men are, young men start off as a zero, quite literally, and young women start
off at 100, from on a scale of zero to 100.
Over time, yeah.
Young men having no status.
They're not strong.
They're not tall.
They're not developed.
adam crigler
They have no money.
tim pool
No money.
adam crigler
No job.
tim pool
Right.
They're very, very low in societal value.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But young women are very high for obvious reasons.
Child rearing and healthy birthing and things like this.
Whether feminists want to admit it, that's what the evolutionary psychologists have pointed out.
And, over time, as young men become more experienced, more capable, more skilled, more wealthy, they start becoming more and more valuable.
And considering that a man can have kids well into, like, his 70s... However late he wants.
However late he wants.
adam crigler
As long as the gun still shoots.
tim pool
It takes men a long time to grow.
But here's the thing.
A man in his 30s, around 33 or 34, becomes the most valuable they will ever be.
And it doesn't get anywhere near the top.
So young women will always have more value to society based on certain data sets than a man ever could.
But around their mid-20s, I think around 28 or 29, men and women invert.
Men are going up and passing women who go down in value.
But there's a fair point to make in that the value for women was never about their careers, their minds, their abilities.
It was always about their ability to have kids.
So the value they did have as young people might not be the value they wanted.
unidentified
It's about their looks, isn't it?
tim pool
Well right, it's a combination of factors but Luke's like so a man looks at a woman he's trying
to see you know when it comes to evolution who's going to have good kids right yeah I don't need
to know if you're smart or not right kind of. It's important to some but not all. No but it actually
does play a really big role.
The reason why 22 is the most sought-after age for all men is because of life experience.
So you want to know something really, really creepy?
adam crigler
I guess.
tim pool
They did a blind study.
I don't know who they is.
I was reading this article about it, where they showed images of women and asked men to rate who do you think is the most attractive out of all these women.
And guess what the age was?
adam crigler
22.
No.
unidentified
Really?
tim pool
Go down.
adam crigler
Oh no.
unidentified
18.
tim pool
Go down.
unidentified
Younger.
adam crigler
Younger?
Yep.
Really?
tim pool
Yep.
adam crigler
I don't want to guess anymore.
tim pool
Yeah, because it's under 18.
And this is what people don't realize.
adam crigler
I don't get that because I mean looking at if you were to look at like 10 to 100 and the years there's a point where you know like 24 you kind of look more adult-ish.
And under that, it's not even attractive anymore to me.
It's just childish now.
tim pool
What I was reading was that- I don't get it.
22 is the prime age because it's young, but you're like an adult.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
So men didn't want to be around someone who was a child, who was going to act like a child.
So when they were given images of women but weren't told their ages and left to make assumptions, they chose very, very young on average.
adam crigler
What was the age?
tim pool
You really wanna know?
adam crigler
Everyone's now guessing in the chat, so.
tim pool
Let's see, what are they guessing?
adam crigler
We gotta find out.
unidentified
16, 14.
14.
adam crigler
It was 14.
unidentified
14.
adam crigler
That's the age.
Gosh.
No!
tim pool
You wanna know something even grosser?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
I can't.
I don't.
You ever go to a mall?
adam crigler
I'm with Lydia here.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
You ever go to a mall?
adam crigler
I'm good.
tim pool
You've been to a mall, right?
adam crigler
I've been to a mall.
tim pool
Alright, you know, you ever walk past those lingerie shops and you see the beautiful men in their underwear on the, you know?
adam crigler
Sure.
tim pool
You've seen like ads with models for like perfume and stuff?
adam crigler
Yep, I've been in them.
tim pool
And you know how old these women are, right?
adam crigler
I've... yes.
tim pool
And you know many of them are 14, 15.
adam crigler
Not all the time, actually.
It depends, actually.
I actually know because I was in that world and I worked with these specific models.
Not all of them.
It depends on what you're doing.
I would say, of the jobs that I did, the average age was probably like 20 years old.
20.
tim pool
20.
There were some ads.
adam crigler
I mean, yes, there was very few times.
I'd say about 2% of the jobs that I did, and I modeled for a long time doing, like, the top stuff.
tim pool
But could it be that it's because you were older that they had you working in similar spaces with people who are old enough?
adam crigler
No.
I mean, I did American Eagle three times, and it was like they wanted everyone to look young, you know?
So it's like they got...
But there was always like 20-year-olds, 20 to 24-year-olds.
I've never worked with anyone under the age of 18.
tim pool
I've been on a bunch of sets, and I don't want to violate anyone's privacy by getting into too much detail, but it's young, man.
adam crigler
All right, sure.
I mean, that was my main job for like 15 years.
I know what I'm talking about.
tim pool
And I could say exactly this.
I've been on a bunch of sets where the women were all underage.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
So I'm wondering if the reason you were on sets with women who were older is because you had a certain look and they wanted that to match versus putting a woman in a bra and panties and taking pictures of her.
adam crigler
You know where the young, that I saw the young models, what they were doing?
Runway.
And it's a different, it's a different environment.
Runway modeling to like print modeling, it is two completely different things.
And print modeling, I didn't see a lot of younger, underage models.
I have seen it.
I'm not saying it doesn't exist.
I did see it, but not much.
Not as much as you're suggesting.
tim pool
I mean, the experience I've had Have you been a model?
I want to avoid violating the privacy of certain individuals.
I've been on many sets.
I've seen a lot of it.
And I've looked at ads and been like, oh my god.
And I've had agents be like, you know how old that girl is?
The one who's got her bra falling off and she's squeezing?
Fourteen.
I've been in these offices where the agencies are talking about who they're booking and why they're booking it.
Okay.
And that's why I'm asking.
I'm wondering if it's like you, with a certain look, they were like, we're going to have women who fit your style, and maybe that was your experience.
I guess.
I mean, I believe you.
adam crigler
That was my main profession for a long time.
tim pool
I'm not saying literally every single thing all the time, but a lot of these ads that I've They're young women.
unidentified
They're underage.
adam crigler
It's funny, but they look older, though.
Those 14-year-olds, 15, 16-year-olds that you're talking about look of a certain age.
And that's not, um, that's, it's, it's rare to get the on camera look that they want of
that younger age.
And usually it's not American.
It's not usually not American girls.
It's usually other from other countries, but, uh, yeah, it's not good.
tim pool
Well whatever that data, that's, that's the thing I was reading was like nuts.
And also the thing I was reading from OkCupid about like peak societal value.
I think they don't allow people to evaluate people under 18.
So it like started at 18 as like 100 and then went down.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But there was some other study I was reading where they were like, we just took a bunch of images and asked men to rate them.
It's interesting.
What I was reading from that was they mentioned something about the age of models and why
models are chosen who are typically very young for these reasons because without knowing
anything about them, men are like, ooh, that's attractive or something.
adam crigler
It's interesting.
There is a direct correlation with what you were talking about, how women started at 100
and go down and men started at zero and go up.
And in the modeling world, it is the exact same way.
All my friends that are girl models, they are always talking about, I really need to
maintain, I need to stay in shape.
I like competitions getting rough.
You know, I'm not getting booked as much.
And then the guys, I know some guys that are still modeling and they're in their fifties now.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
You know, it's like, I mean, I guess, I guess it depends on what you're doing because women could switch to lifestyle or something or catalog.
adam crigler
That's true.
Yeah.
tim pool
And then it's like, then you're the, they're the mom, then you're the grandma.
adam crigler
Yep.
And they're still looking for it exists, but those jobs tend to be already have them filled, you know?
tim pool
Yeah, so a dude will be like, oh great, I'm getting gray coming in.
And they're like, ooh, that's great, we could use that.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
And the women are like, oh god, my wrinkles, what do I do?
adam crigler
Yep, that's why I'm growing this beard out.
No, I'm just kidding.
I don't model anymore.
tim pool
All right.
We do want to get to the moon mining one, so I definitely want to read Super Chats, but I'm going to have to go quick again.
Quick.
We've got a moon mining story.
unidentified
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Which is really, really interesting.
adam crigler
I don't mind going long, because I'm just waiting for midnight.
tim pool
I do need to sleep.
adam crigler
I don't care about you.
I just want to play Final Fantasy.
tim pool
Alright, let's see.
Where are we at?
Bobcat says, for all three of you, if you could own any one firearm in regular use, what would it be and why?
In regular use?
I don't know anything about guns.
adam crigler
Wait, wait.
Any one firearm.
tim pool
Didn't Nazi Germany build this gigantic 200 caliber, insanely large... It says, in regular use.
adam crigler
No, I would probably want a hunting rifle of some sort.
Some sort of hunting rifle.
You know, long range, bolt action.
tim pool
50 cal anti-material.
unidentified
No, not that crazy, but... Tripod, belt fed 7.62, 50 cal or something.
tim pool
belt fed 7.62, .50 cal or something.
unidentified
Sure, yeah.
adam crigler
Yeah, have at it.
tim pool
Yeah.
It's in regular use, just in what context, I don't know.
I don't know anything about guns, man.
Let's see, Kiki says, Tim, you ever see the Gurren Lagann?
If you like DBZ, I have a feeling you'll love it.
I will look into it.
Jordan says, Mr. Poole, look up the COVID-19 situation in the Philippines.
It's messed up here.
I was hearing it.
That sounds crazy.
Andrew Kelly says, Hey Tim, any updates on the US Navy's action near Venezuela?
Not that I've seen so far.
unidentified
I haven't seen anything.
adam crigler
But you will talk about it.
tim pool
Yeah, if we see it.
Angry Bellsprout says, I mean, if there's something I can't do, I put it on my TimCast News channel.
And then when it gets demonetized and flagged, I'm like, eh, whatever.
You know, there it is.
It's because my main channel, the people in San Francisco literally watch every video.
My second channel, they don't seem to care about.
James Spoon says, really enjoying the new show format, Tim.
Keep up the good work.
I will do my best.
Student of History says, hey Tim, want to play a buzzword drinking game for a live stream?
We can.
Andrew says, hey Tim, you have a fave meme?
Um, I don't know.
Probably not.
Maybe, I just can't think of it.
No idea.
unidentified
Oh, you do have a favorite meme.
Which one?
It's the Lord of the Rings one.
Where he's casting it into the fire.
I mean, kind of.
What's the one you reference most often?
tim pool
Well, I've referenced it three times.
Yes.
unidentified
Keeping track?
tim pool
I am.
unidentified
Okay.
To me, that seems like your favorite one.
tim pool
Yeah, because the first recent context I used it in was the moderate Democrats being voted in promising to get rid of the Orange Man bad narrative, the impeachment scams.
And then as soon as they were given the ring, the moderate districts were like, Cast it into the fire!
And they're like, no.
And they put on Impeach Trump.
And now they're gonna get voted out, but I guess we'll see.
Kevin says, working through these times from home, appreciate having you guys on in the background.
Thank you.
Hey, appreciate it.
adam crigler
Definitely.
tim pool
Wolfsbane says, for these feminists complaining about being a parent, what you want, a cookie?
Chris Rock.
Right, it's like you're a parent.
You gotta raise kids, man.
Yeah, wasn't that a Chris Rock joke where he was like, so many people are like, well, my kid's never gone to jail.
And it's like, what?
Your kid's not supposed to go to jail.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Julian says, you have to be married to get those tax breaks.
Ah, interesting.
unidentified
Very traditional.
tim pool
Yuyu says, Pool Jesus 2024.
Josh Clark says, you get a tax refund in the U.S.
if you have kids.
We have three, and I get, I think, $2K for each child.
Also, y'all are my nightly routine.
Love y'all.
Hey, appreciate it.
unidentified
Thanks, man.
adam crigler
Appreciate you.
tim pool
And we just jumped.
Edwin says, hello from Long Island.
Staying strong with Staples still open.
unidentified
Oh, nice.
tim pool
Staples?
unidentified
Staples?
tim pool
Like the office?
adam crigler
The op store?
Supply place?
unidentified
All right.
Okay.
tim pool
Sorry, petite ladies.
Yep.
Yeah, for real.
Adam if I if we have if if I have to guess keep moving sorry petite ladies
Yep, yeah for real. Yeah, and says sexual marketplace value isn't the same as a side all value
Well, so so the point I want to clarify too is that I'm not saying women should be happy with that metric like just but
just because
You know, they're valued because they're young and attractive. It doesn't mean they want to be
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And it's not, you know, some women are complaining that they're not valued for their time, effort, talent, intelligence, and things like that.
Fair argument.
adam crigler
Yeah, I feel like that whole study is taking the base animal nature of humans, and that is what they're looking at.
Right.
Very polarized.
But when you broaden it out, and it's like, no one says that women can't do anything a guy can do.
They can do it, and mentally, there's women that are smarter than men.
tim pool
It's just about the bell curve.
adam crigler
Right, the bell curve.
tim pool
There are more male geniuses than female geniuses.
adam crigler
Right.
It's not to say that they're not out there.
tim pool
So if you have a million people and 1% of the males are geniuses and 0.2% of the females are geniuses, but there's only 500 available jobs, it'll most likely be filled by men.
It's not an issue of bigotry or discrimination, it's that there's more male geniuses.
There's also more male morons than female morons.
Men are more likely to be stupid than women.
Or really stupid, I mean.
It's actually average when you put them all together.
Let's see.
Gothic says, you also have to factor in the women over 18 that can look underaged.
Bloody says, men prefer women between the ages of old enough, but not old enough to be a hoe.
There you go.
Base says, why can't Lydia sit in your spot for a segment to our show?
I love y'all.
Keep doing what you do.
Finding lefties with integrity is refreshing.
Thank you.
Because she's actually doing the camera work and other general production stuff, writing things down and looking things up.
adam crigler
Yeah, you can't see it, but she's got a whole setup over there.
lydia smith
Yeah, I got my little desk over here.
adam crigler
You'll be able to see it eventually.
lydia smith
Very important.
tim pool
Yep.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
TheDisabledBeauty, thanks for becoming a member.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
Mark G. says, Tim, you can go to sleep and leave us with Soy just reading Super Chats and talking about what he's excited about for Final Fantasy VII.
Maybe just leave it running and he can come down and play Final Fantasy VII.
adam crigler
I could talk about Final Fantasy VII for a while.
I don't know if you guys, you guys maybe want to hear it.
I don't know.
tim pool
Some Grumpy Goat says, out of curiosity, do any of you listen to retro wave synth wave music?
I do not.
adam crigler
I don't.
lydia smith
I don't classify my music like that, but I might.
I listen to all sorts of music.
tim pool
All right.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, here's what we're going to do.
We're going to go a little later today because we got a moon mining mission.
adam crigler
Let's do it.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Ladies and gentlemen, Donald Trump is an authoritarian dictator who has just signed an executive order.
adam crigler
Here's the proof.
tim pool
Listen to this.
The authoritarian madman has signed an executive order to commercialize the solar system and mine on the moon.
I'm kidding.
He signed an executive order, but I don't think it's, you know, even if it was a decree, it's actually kind of cool.
It's not going to hurt anybody.
It's going to be fun.
adam crigler
It's not really surprising.
tim pool
But you know what?
You know, I'm curious about moon mining.
Like, what if we're going to, we're going to mine on the moon and bring it stuff back, right?
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
We're like reclaiming the moon.
It used to be part of Earth.
It got like blown off by like a collision.
adam crigler
Supposedly.
It's actually in the air.
tim pool
You know what?
adam crigler
They don't know exactly where the moon is formed.
There's three different theories that they're toying with.
tim pool
Why don't we just take a cable?
adam crigler
We could talk about that.
tim pool
We should just take a cable, right?
And hook it, you know, just like hook it to a, you know, a hitch on Earth.
And then, you know, go up to the moon and hook it to a hitch on the moon.
adam crigler
You know why that wouldn't work?
tim pool
We'll crank it in.
adam crigler
You know why that wouldn't work?
unidentified
Why would that not work?
adam crigler
Because it would slow the rotation of Earth down to a stop and we would stop turning.
tim pool
If we pulled the moon into Earth?
adam crigler
The drag of having, they thought about like you know space elevators.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
Or like someone wanted to do like a tether to like a satellite something and the research showed that eventually it would it would affect the rotation of Earth So, if we were to hook the moon up, it would just like halt us and we would stop spinning.
tim pool
I wasn't gonna say just stop, I was gonna say crank it in.
You know, once you get the cable in, you can start... Oh, bring it closer?
Yeah, spinning the crank and then, why mine the moon?
Just bring the moon here!
adam crigler
Well, technically, it's in a perfect orbit around us.
So, if it gets closer, it's actually moving further away from us.
lydia smith
Oh man, wrong way!
adam crigler
But if it were to get closer, eventually, it would fall and connect with us and that would Be pretty bad.
lydia smith
Yeah, that would not be good.
tim pool
Well, back to the fun.
Donald Trump did, in fact, sign an executive order.
They say, I love when they do these narratives.
You know, honestly, I can't stand it.
Neil Armstrong captivated the world when he took one giant leap onto the moon's surface.
Moon's dusty surface in 1969.
Yes, we know this.
It has nothing to do with the news.
President Donald Trump, who began his foray into galactic affairs when he championed the Space Force to fight extraterrestrial wars, The extraterrestrial?
Do you know what terrestrial means?
Are you kidding me?
It would be the Mars force, you morons.
Trump did not start a space force to fight on other planets.
Extraterrestrial means other planets.
Who are these people?
lydia smith
I don't know, but I don't like their article very much.
tim pool
Wow.
adam crigler
It's a great start.
tim pool
To fight extraterrestrial wars is looking for his own moon landing moment.
I am angered.
My nerddom is furious at their improper articulation.
In the midst of the coronavirus pandemic, the White House announced Monday an executive order in which Trump calls for US business interests to mine the moon.
I love that.
That's it.
It's like Trump hereby decrees by executive order.
If you got a business, go mine the moon.
Okay, let's get started.
I'll need a rocket.
A couple of them.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Though the order specifies that a return to the moon would allow the country to explore and exploit lunar minerals, it insinuates that the scope of this new era of commercialization would apply to the moon, Mars, and other celestial bodies.
Okay, now that's extraterrestrial.
Lunar development would include a search for minerals as well as water, and this would require partnerships between the US government and private industry.
What else is new?
According to the order, one of the major roadblocks holding businesses back from mining the moon is uncertainty regarding the right to recover and use space resources, including the extension of the right to commercial recovery and use of lunar resources.
Trump's executive order attempts to advance the scarce legal framework that governs various nations' claims to space.
Several international resolutions, such as the Moon Agreement, have been adopted over the past 50 years, but the administration, in its order, did not acknowledge the legitimacy of these.
adam crigler
Yeah, in 1979 there was an international treaty saying they wouldn't mine planets, and America never signed that treaty.
unidentified
Good.
adam crigler
Weird.
It's ridiculous.
You know what?
If we're going to go, we have to mine.
Come on, it's America.
We have to figure out a way to make it self-sustaining, and if there is water somewhere, we have to get it.
You know, I told you about that show Mars.
It's really interesting how it parallels real life because it is half documentary so it talks about a lot of this stuff and it goes over the whole science is going to discover stuff but then private enterprise also goes and they're mining and they don't care about the treaties.
They're not in the treaties and it's like This treaty that they were talking about is the countries that are in the treaty.
But SpaceX can go, if they go out and land on Mars, and they can start mining.
They're not part of this treaty.
tim pool
Well, I think it's very likely that we're going to see colonization from private entities.
unidentified
Absolutely.
tim pool
That no one can do anything about.
adam crigler
Absolutely.
It's international waters out there.
No one owns the moon.
tim pool
Elon Musk is building this really big spaceship to go to Mars.
You know, he personally told me this.
adam crigler
Did he tell you?
tim pool
Because I tweeted at him, why aren't you building an Iron Man suit?
He's like, building Starship.
But I wonder, if Elon Musk does this, it won't be a country?
I gotta be honest, man.
Companies function in a very authoritarian manner.
Like, you can quit a company.
So it's not like, you know, they're Nazis or anything.
But the boss is the boss.
You can't question the boss.
They can kick you out.
You can't do anything about it.
Could you imagine being on Mars as an employee of the, you know, the corporation?
adam crigler
And then getting fired?
tim pool
Not getting fired.
Like, you can't get fired.
So they're probably gonna have rigorous testing and all that stuff.
adam crigler
That's a good point.
tim pool
But complaining.
I think I need more food.
No.
Okay.
lydia smith
Yeah, the company controls everything about your life.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
They're providing you a place to live.
tim pool
Indentured servitude on Mars.
adam crigler
Well, they have very strict regiments of what they eat, astronauts.
tim pool
But I do think, honestly, if you volunteered to be like one of the first missions to Mars, you're probably not coming back.
They're going to treat you like a king.
adam crigler
I agree.
tim pool
It's like you're going to have the best of the best every movie, every video game.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Man, I'm sure the latency is way too high.
It's probably like, what is the latency to Mars?
Like 20 minutes?
adam crigler
Yeah, I think so.
tim pool
You can't play any video games with anybody.
You know what's really crazy?
adam crigler
When we first went into space, astronauts were heroes.
They were like, everyone was like, you're going where no one's gone before.
You are champion.
You are the champion human.
And it's like, No one really thinks about astronauts.
Like, three astronauts flew off Earth this morning at 4 a.m.
I don't know if you guys knew this, but they flew off in the Soyuz and connected with the International Space Station, and that's so cool.
Like, I really... I don't know if you noticed, I'm really into space stuff.
It's great, but we don't champion them the way we used to, and I feel like it might be coming around because, you know, there's a new sense that we're gonna go out there.
We're gonna go back.
tim pool
You've seen Interstellar, right?
Yeah, we literally just watched this because I think it was on before we did the show.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And there's that scene where he goes to the school and the teacher says, we built useless machines to pretend like we were going to go places we never went.
We never went to the moon, blah, blah, blah.
Like, that mentality is actually becoming prominent.
When Elon Musk launched the car into space, a lot of people cheered.
And then a bunch of activists condemned it, saying he wasted all this money.
Why is he spending billions of dollars to go to space?
Why isn't he helping people here?
And then people had to correct them and say, you realize he didn't spend the money on the moon.
He spent it on people working on the earth to build things.
And then other people were like, you realize the purpose of sending the car into space was to make something exciting and fun that would inspire people.
So they would see this car in space, which is silly.
But then it would create a moment that people would look at and be like, wow, that was when he launched the Tesla with the guy in it.
adam crigler
Well, it was also a test payload, you know, exactly.
tim pool
So exactly.
adam crigler
They had to put something in there and they're not going to put a human in there.
And that's actually part of the reason why we stopped doing space races because the Challenger mission, when we lost all those astronauts, it was devastating for the public.
The public didn't want people.
To die going into space.
I mean it's it's inevitable and there's gonna it's space It's not earth.
tim pool
Did you hear that the Tesla car missed?
adam crigler
What do you mean?
tim pool
It's trajectory was off.
No, I didn't know they're like whoops Now it's gonna drift off into space and then come back in like a thousand years or something.
adam crigler
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, I can't I wrote I was supposed to I was reading an article about it where they were like It's a good thing it wasn't a real person.
adam crigler
Everyone's been asking Elon to post the video of the Falcon landing and he did it.
Did you see the retweet that I tweeted?
Man, it's so cool.
There's a video of just, like, attached to the side of the rocket, the rocket coming back from space and landing on the platform on the water.
tim pool
I've seen that.
lydia smith
That's so cool.
adam crigler
It blows me away.
It's so cool where we are now.
tim pool
And the government couldn't get it done?
adam crigler
No.
tim pool
You know, when the U.S.
was competing with the Soviet Union, they got a lot done.
That's true.
When the U.S.
dominated with no competition, they don't got to do anything.
They sit around on their hands.
So let me ask you, if Elon Musk came a-knockin' and said, Adam, I want you to come in the rocket and be the first person on Mars... I wouldn't do it.
You wouldn't do it?
adam crigler
No, I thought about this a lot actually.
And I don't, it's not that I don't want to go to Mars.
I would like to go to Mars, but I don't, I don't know.
It's an interesting question.
I mean, I, I want to have a family here and I want to be a part of my family.
And if, if I know what it would take to go to Mars and I can't do that, I can't, I can't commit to that much time.
tim pool
I was reading that they actually only want to send couples.
adam crigler
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, like one of the things I was reading about Mars mission was that... That makes sense.
Researchers said it has to be couples because... It helps sanity.
Right.
People will lose their minds if they're isolated this way.
And in close quarters, coupling actually works a lot better.
So, and they'll end up having kids and they'll establish themselves there with their family and be less reliant on social interaction from strangers or anything like that.
That's kind of neat.
You should see the show Mars.
They actually want like 10 couples so that there is a mini community and society where
people are reliant.
They have their social structure.
They can raise a family and be there permanently.
And then the plan would be to slowly send supplies there, not leave.
adam crigler
You should see the show Mars.
It's really cool.
tim pool
Why are we doing this?
Where's Elon Musk?
Someone give me Elon's phone number.
adam crigler
This is happening.
This whole thing that Trump just did is because we need to be able to mine the moon when we set up the base there, which is what the Artemis program is.
tim pool
And when did Artemis start?
adam crigler
I think it started last year when he announced it, but I'm not really certain.
But I know that their plan was to be on the moon by 2024.
Now it's been pushed back because of COVID.
So now it's going to be 2029.
Oh, what?
unidentified
I know.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Where's that virus?
I'm going to go show him what for.
adam crigler
Yeah, please do.
Would you please?
tim pool
Clogging up our system for five years?
adam crigler
Thank you, Tan.
tim pool
Yeah, so we're going to get to the moon, we're going to build like a moon port, and then
we're going to use that as a launching base to go to Mars.
It makes a lot of sense.
adam crigler
That's the plan.
tim pool
I wonder if, what's on the moon?
Is there anything there that we could use for refining a fuel of some sort?
adam crigler
They say that in the dust particles they've found stuff that they can use.
I don't have it pulled up right now, but yeah, there is stuff out there.
I'm pretty sure there's ice somewhere on the moon, but I'm not sure.
tim pool
I want to look into it.
All we gotta do is invent replicators.
adam crigler
Man, wouldn't that be great?
Wouldn't that be great?
Yeah, and you need tea, Earl Grey, hot.
tim pool
Boom!
A gallon of gas.
There you go.
Now you can go drive your car around.
Dude, I'm stoked.
I mean, it's cool that we're going to see this in our lifetimes.
We're probably going to be old dudes watching, you know, in the virtual neural link or whatever is out by then.
Oh, maybe we'll get it.
Maybe we can download the experience package.
adam crigler
Like Total Recall?
tim pool
Yeah, like I was actually thinking about Neuralink.
Like, if somebody's got a Neuralink in their brain and it's recording their experience and they go to the Mars, right?
And then they transmit the experience data.
It's like, you know, a 50 terabyte file or something.
They transmit it back to Earth and you can download it for like 20 bucks and get the I'm going to Mars experience.
And you just connect and then you like experience everything.
What they felt, what they saw.
adam crigler
Total recall.
tim pool
Yeah, dude.
adam crigler
You've seen that movie, right?
tim pool
Yeah, of course.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The original one, Going to Mars.
adam crigler
People are popping up in the chat with Helium 3 is on the moon.
tim pool
Oh, and they can use it as a fuel?
adam crigler
Yeah.
Interesting.
unidentified
There's a bunch of stuff on the moon.
adam crigler
Yeah.
unidentified
Cool.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
Thanks, Chad.
tim pool
According to Futurama, there were whalers on the moon, in case you didn't know this.
unidentified
I did not.
tim pool
They carry a harpoon.
adam crigler
We're whalers on the moon.
That song popped in my head.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
adam crigler
I know what you're talking about.
tim pool
And then I love it when they show the honeymooners, and he's like, one of these days, bang, zoom.
Straight to the moon.
And then Leela goes, I didn't know your astronauts were so fat.
He's like, that's not an astronaut.
He wasn't talking about going to the moon.
He was using space travel as a metaphor for beating his wife.
I love that show.
All right.
Let's go to the, let's grab the last few super chats.
And then it looks like we went a little long today, but make sure again, hit the like button, subscribe, follow me and Adam.
You can find us on Twitter.
And because you can send Adam suggestions for stories that you want us to talk about.
adam crigler
Yep, please do.
It really helps me out a lot.
tim pool
Alright.
Matt Field says, When selecting a firearm, pick one compatible with your country's military and national guard.
Ammo, parts, and magazines galore for AR-15s in the US.
Very smart.
Fearless Soldier says, Getting more CO2 for my airsoft pistol.
Only gun you can own in NJ.
They come in tomorrow and I'm gonna shoot cans to waste time and practice for arenas.
Kyle says, not gay Lydia.
It's a Crowder reference.
unidentified
Not gay Jared.
adam crigler
Okay.
unidentified
Yeah, I wish I were that cool.
tim pool
Hunter says, will you ever take feet pics and start an OnlyFans?
Who, are you talking to me?
unidentified
That's a no from everyone.
adam crigler
I don't know.
tim pool
It's a no from everyone.
unidentified
Solid no.
tim pool
Andrew says, after you guys get out of the woofloo quarantine and can travel again, if you all wind up in KS, I'll buy you all a beer.
Keep it the good commentary.
unidentified
Cool, thanks man.
tim pool
Hunter Moore says, will you ever take, what, you already asked that one.
Sir Badass says, enjoy the show.
I work night shifts at a gas station in Florida.
Business is dead here, but corporate is paying us an extra $2 an hour for this month.
adam crigler
Hey, wow.
unidentified
Cool.
adam crigler
Soak it up.
tim pool
Based Oki says, sissy boys in the chat, it's the curiosity of seeing her on camera.
I like... Okay, I'm not going to read that, but there you go.
It's a woman writing that, so I'm not going to read what she wrote.
Steelman Sam says, Sup gang, conservative viewer, love the show, enough to pay money.
Have you seen the new treatment research showing that ventilators being the cause of increased death rate?
Start looking at the virus's effect on blood cells' ability to absorb oxygen.
Interestingly, in the Spanish flu, they think that the number was increased by, I think, aspirin poisoning?
unidentified
Interesting.
tim pool
And a doctor recently came out and said they need to stop doing ventilation pressure because it's destroying lungs and killing people.
adam crigler
Yeah.
unidentified
It's too much.
adam crigler
But, he said O2 or something?
Oh two or something the ability to Take iron into the hemoglobin or something like that. No. I
don't know what that is But something similar about that, but it's about the it's
about the blood not the lungs itself Oh, but I mean people are so I need to do my research. I
don't know I don't know enough about it.
tim pool
Blinky Bill says, if we start mining the moon, are we going to worry about changing the mass of an orbiting object that has physical effects on the Earth?
adam crigler
That's a really, really good question.
tim pool
And making the Earth bigger when we bring it back?
adam crigler
Changing our tides?
Yeah, it's a big, big question.
tim pool
Yes!
Adam I too am crazy excited for Final Fantasy 7. I remember playing through and looking online for ways to keep Ares
from dying. Spoilers.
So easy to believe BS back in the early days of the internet. What was your three characters you took through
the game or did you mix it up?
adam crigler
I would do Cid, Barret and Cloud.
Those are my team.
tim pool
Right on.
adam crigler
And I always wish that she didn't die, but that's what made that game so incredible.
I mean, the game's 23 years old.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Right.
adam crigler
Come on.
It's okay.
tim pool
Cliff says, would moon mining affect the tides?
I'd imagine eventually.
unidentified
At a certain point, maybe.
tim pool
Lawrence Custom, thanks for the super chat.
Student of History says, if you think moon mining is going to get good, just wait until they get to Titan for the methane natural gas.
We're going to have giant ships of like crazy fuel and combustion.
GroundFloorGuthrie says, the major components of lunar soil is iron, titanium, aluminum, and magnesium.
There is also creep available, and possibly H3, which can help facilitate fusion power.
What the moon lacks is carbon.
Very interesting.
adam crigler
Yeah, awesome.
Thanks for that.
tim pool
JackLeone says, you guys should play Outer Worlds, RPG about a massive colony ran by authoritarian corporations.
Very relevant.
adam crigler
Didn't you try it?
tim pool
I did.
I did play it.
What I didn't like about it is that it's a bunch of mini-maps instead of one big map.
Yeah.
I like Oblivion.
I like Fallout because it's one big map and you can go explore and find stuff.
adam crigler
Yeah, you can go in any direction.
tim pool
Outer World's a bunch of small maps.
adam crigler
Yeah, okay.
tim pool
So it's like, meh.
It's a good game, but you know.
Fearless Soldier says, there is a 4K livestream from the ISS.
It's so cool.
Absolutely cool.
adam crigler
It is.
tim pool
Andrew says, when we get real hologram projecting dual disks from, when will we get real hologram projecting dual disks from Yu-Gi-Oh?
I don't know though.
we'll ever prioritize that so let's see.
Ground floor says I misspelled creep, also the moon lacks nitrogen.
Xerxes says 10 couples, oof, wait till someone cheats, then all hell will break loose.
I don't know though.
I don't know though.
I was reading about how there's like, they thought it was sustainable.
Superguy says, Adam, have you watched the 2019 Apollo 11 documentary?
They used 70mm high definition archived film to help narrate the movie.
Lots of amazing unreleased footage.
It's unbelievable.
Also, you guys rock.
adam crigler
Very cool.
I haven't seen it and I will definitely check that out.
tim pool
Right on.
Alcoholic says, there ain't no getting off this train.
We're on till we reach the end of the line.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Augustine says, a single model agency separates model lineups by department or garment lines.
My short stint at 16 with school clothes.
We did shoots next door to girls modeling team for swimwear and turns out they were all younger than me.
Wow.
adam crigler
It does happen.
tim pool
Epstein Didn't Kill Himself says, hey, did you guys ever do that poll on the floaty alien ship?
No, I didn't.
unidentified
We decided to have both, I think.
adam crigler
Yeah, we did.
Just brought them both.
tim pool
Eric says, such Tim Poolery.
That is indeed what is happening.
We're going to wrap it up there.
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adam crigler
There's my tag.
tim pool
Follow Adam because you can suggest stories to him.
So I do my show in the morning and then we collect as many stories as we can.
But if you send stuff to Adam, then Adam can prep for the show we do later in the night.
adam crigler
I peruse them.
And, uh, not all of them are, you know, a lot of times we've already done them, but it always helps.
tim pool
So basically he comes to me and he shows me on the phone and we both just point and laugh at everyone's stupid.
unidentified
It's like, Bye, guys.
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