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April 8, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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TimcastIRL - Woke Twitter SHREDS Ellen Degeneres For Comparing Lockdown To Being In Jail
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unidentified
How's it going everybody?
tim pool
Welcome to the show.
I am Tim Poole.
adam crigler
And I'm Adam Krigler.
What up?
How you guys doing?
tim pool
And we're also joined by... The Invisible Lady.
The Invisible Lydia of Whiterun.
Boy do I have good news for everybody, and you can tell by the title of this stream.
Guess what we're gonna talk about today?
Celebrity gossip.
adam crigler
Yay!
Celebrity gossip!
tim pool
It's actually, it's, it's, you know, okay man.
As long as it's not the apocalypse, I'm kinda happy.
Cause there was this period where it was like everyday we'd sit down and be like, what's in the news today?
adam crigler
Oh.
Coronavirus.
unidentified
Oh, wow.
tim pool
So I don't know if you guys have heard, Bernie Sanders quit.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
And somebody tweeted something.
They were like, I would like to thank Bernie Sanders for giving us something other than coronavirus to talk about.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And I was like, here, here.
Because like the top four national trends were like a million tweets about Bernie and Biden.
adam crigler
And we're not even going to talk about that.
tim pool
Oh, no, we're not.
No way.
No, I'm not interested.
No, we're gonna have a more fun time.
It's woke Twitter, and they're just tearing Ellen DeGeneres apart because she made a stupid joke about how being in lockdown is like being in jail.
And part of me is like, well, it's a bit insensitive, you know?
adam crigler
And then I'm like, You're like, oh, wait a minute.
I made that joke.
tim pool
I made that joke yesterday.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And I just don't care.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And then, like, we were sitting here and I was like, you know what's really happening?
Ellen made a joke.
These woke Twitter people are pretending to be angry about it because they're bored.
And we're pretending to be angry that they're angry because we're bored, too.
And that's just that's just how the Internet works.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
For real, dude.
So much of every kind of political content is people pretending to be mad about something.
adam crigler
That's so true.
Yeah.
I'm angry.
Well, why?
Well, someone out there somewhere might be angry.
That's why I'm angry.
tim pool
Right?
adam crigler
Wait, what?
tim pool
But like all of the all of this anti-Trump stuff.
So one of the funny things I was talking about earlier today was that Snopes actually fact checked the New York Times as false.
It's kind of the New York Times, but a bunch of articles like the Huffington Post were like, Donald Trump owns a stake in the company that makes the coronavirus treatment he's been pushing.
And it's like, he doesn't.
It's just not true.
Snopes actually fact-checked them.
But it's because they need to pretend to be angry.
How insane, man.
When you actually get fact-checked by Snopes, and they're like, being honest, that must have been really bad.
adam crigler
Snopes is like, alright guys, we're gonna actually do some work today.
tim pool
They didn't want to.
You know, they were like, don't make me do it, boss.
adam crigler
How can we put ice cream into this somehow?
tim pool
The boss walks up to the staff, and he's like, I hate to have to do this to you guys, but... You're gonna have to work.
You're gonna have to fact check the New York Times.
unidentified
No!
tim pool
Not the New York Times!
Don't make me do it!
And then like... They pay our bills!
adam crigler
No, I don't know.
tim pool
Somebody writes it, and the boss is like sent the draft, and he's got his finger over the enter key to like submit.
He's like, I can't do it!
adam crigler
And then like...
Someone else comes and pushes the hand down.
tim pool
His secretary, she's like, be a man, and she pushes his hand.
It's enter.
New York Times fake news.
The story was so insanely fake, they had no choice.
That's how insane it was.
Very insane.
Well, today, we got a couple stories for you.
We got some fun science stuff.
We got how to be a man.
Testosterone makes men more honest.
And there is a real tough man versus a fake tough man.
I think we got some stuff.
Oh yeah, no one's paying rent.
This is crazy.
adam crigler
Well, there's people paying rent, but there's a good chunk that are just not paying rent.
tim pool
A third of people just didn't pay rent.
adam crigler
That's not really surprising, though.
tim pool
We will break down for you how many of them are just communists and how many of them actually just lost their jobs and are in serious trouble and need help.
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tim pool
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lydia smith
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adam crigler
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tim pool
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The most important thing is to go and tell all your friends how cool I am.
adam crigler
Yes, thank you all for hitting me up with awesome ideas.
You guys are great, and keep up the good work.
Oh, it's over here now.
There's my handle.
Hit me up on Twitter, and that's the best way to send me ideas.
tim pool
There you go.
Yeah, on Twitter, Instagram.
Well, let's talk about Miss Ellen DeGeneres.
Ah, the poor multi-millionaire TV celebrity who is stuck in her mansion while the help cleans her windows.
So, she's getting ripped apart by woke Twitter, and it's kind of woke Twitter, it's not the wokest of Twitter, it's just the blue-checky journalist types that are piling on.
Just, you know what?
They're piranhas.
There was blood in the water.
adam crigler
Yeah, none of them actually care about Ellen at all.
They're making fun jokes.
They're like, oh, I can make some funny joke.
And they're like, well, do you really care about Ellen?
No, no, no.
But I can make funny jokes out of it, though.
And that's what we're seeing.
tim pool
It's like a mob, you know?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
It's just a mob of people running through the streets screaming.
And one person does something, and then everyone else wants to be a part of it.
So they jump in.
No one really knows why they're angry.
But hey, man, it's fun to be a part of the crowd, right?
adam crigler
It's true.
tim pool
So here's what.
We've got an excellent source for you today.
Our source today is Cosmopolitan Magazine, the bastion of great journalism.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
And here's what they wrote.
Since it's incredibly unsafe to go outside, if you're not an essential worker these days,
many celebrities have been social distancing in their gigantic homes while slowly unraveling.
We saw it happen with Gal Gadot and her celebrity friends who decided to sing
Imagine instead of donating some of their millions. We saw it happen when Vanessa Hudgens
went on Instagram Live and said deaths related to COVID were inevitable. And we're seeing it
again with Ellen DeGeneres.
As part of her new temporary Ellen Show setup, Ellen sat in her living room in front of a floor-to-ceiling window overlooking lush greenery.
After giving some words of encouragement to her fans, Ellen then compared her new normal to being in jail.
She first joked, There is so much wrong with that joke from a woke perspective.
That's true.
because it has the best light and sound, and all the other rooms in my house are filled with toilet paper."
Then she added, "'This is like being in jail, mostly because I've been
wearing the same clothes for 10 days and everyone here is gay.'"
There is so much wrong with that joke from a woke perspective.
adam crigler
That's true.
tim pool
First of all, wearing the same clothes is like the least of the issue of being in jail.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
But also saying everyone is gay.
Wow, that's that's bold to make a rape joke about our prison system.
adam crigler
It's true.
tim pool
No wonder she's getting torn up a bit.
adam crigler
Yeah, it's a little it's different than I expected it to be.
I actually didn't hear that whole the whole thing.
tim pool
Yeah, the people there aren't gay by choice in many of those circumstances.
adam crigler
Or they're not gay at all, and things just happen that they have no say in.
tim pool
Not funny, but you know what?
I'm not somebody who gets bent out of shape because someone said a joke I don't find funny.
I'm like, oh, I get what she was going for.
Yeah, I don't care.
I'm an adult.
I've got bills to pay.
I'm not gonna cry about this.
Well, apparently there are people who will cry about it, and we all expect it as much.
Obviously, this is a tone-deaf comment to make any time, but it's especially grating now as inmates have an increased risk of catching coronavirus and feel like sitting ducks.
One man at a facility in Louisiana even told NPR, Surely that's not what's happening in whichever mansion Ellen decided to social distance and film her daily talk show in.
There are a bunch of sickly people in this camp. I just pray something happens soon.
Surely that's not what's happening in whichever mansion Ellen decided to social distance and film her daily talk
show in.
Just a hunch!
Predictably, after people watched this segment, they dragged Ellen for the comparison.
Making this one of the many times in recent memory that people were not laughing along with her.
They say, remember the Dakota Johnson interview?
And when she hung out with George W. Bush?
One variety writer.
Oh, here comes woke Twitter.
Carolyn Frampke tweeted, What a great look for Ellen as thousands of people sit in actual jail cells just hoping for the best without soap and basic protection.
Others said, Ellen really is the worst.
And people are dying.
I'm afraid to leave my house every day, but I have to.
But okay, go off, Ellen.
Social isolation is bad, stressful, and causes increased depression and anxiety, but it ain't jail.
I mean, there are so many tweets about this.
Some of the tweets are actually pretty funny.
This one, I love this one, look at it.
Reductress said, it's sort of like being in prison, says woman eating yogurt in bed who also has voting rights.
So, I don't care if Ellen makes a stupid joke.
adam crigler
It is kind of telling, though, when you see that other video.
That video that you found.
tim pool
Oh yeah.
Do you want to go straight to the darkness?
adam crigler
I mean, it just touched on that, though.
It was talking about exactly that.
tim pool
We're going to go straight for the darkness.
adam crigler
Yeah, straight into it.
It's fitting.
Look at this.
tim pool
I'm actually going to play this video because it's kind of brutal.
adam crigler
It is pretty brutal.
It's true. I mean, they have masks, but they're not there.
They're not right next to each other.
tim pool
Yep. Cram the rooms. So there's this video that's gone viral and we got to be careful
because we've seen viral videos in the past just because it's viral doesn't mean it's true.
Yeah. But it's also, but it's, it's purportedly of a dude in jail and one dude's wheezing because
he's got COVID and this, this, the dude filming is like, what are we supposed to do? This dude's
literally dying right now. I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing. And he's like, he's
He's just sitting right here.
adam crigler
Like what?
tim pool
Yeah, he's like, we can't even social distance.
Meanwhile, you got Ellen chilling in her mansion like, oh man, I'm in jail, hee hee!
So, here's a funny thing.
The people are dying quote.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
You know what, man?
I hear you.
People are dying.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But they've said that about literally everything.
It's like... It's true.
You walk outside and some kid drops a glass of milk and they're like, people are dying!
And you're like, it's spilled milk, dude.
To use a silly analogy, but they literally cry about everything.
adam crigler
Yeah, some food, like the biscuit.
I didn't finish eating the biscuit.
unidentified
You know, they're starving people out there, dying.
tim pool
People are dying, as a quote, is used in every single social justice protest.
So, like, if you say something like, I believe in free speech, they'll go, people are dying!
And you're like, I have no idea what that has to do with, like, Louis C.K.
making an offensive joke.
I'm sorry, I just, I don't understand.
But that's what they say.
So now it's funny because one of the things we've talked about is how the social justice activists kind of have no leg to stand on.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Because a lot of their vanity politics, nobody cares now that people are dying.
adam crigler
Yep, exactly.
tim pool
But now they're like, people are dying.
And it's like, well, this time you're right.
All right.
adam crigler
You got me now.
tim pool
Yeah, this time.
That's why it's funny, I think it's funny that we're reading like Woke Twitter and Cosmo making fun of Ellen and we're all like enjoying it.
There's like something interesting, like something amazing is happening.
Alyssa Milano came out and she sides with Joe Biden and then both sides of the culture were come together in harmony holding hands to make fun of Alyssa Milano.
And you get Bernie Sanders dropping out today.
And then you get the Trump supporters and the Bernie Sanders supporters like
holding hands like in harmony, like ragging on the democratic establishment.
unidentified
It's weird.
adam crigler
I said it like a month and a half ago when this whole thing started happening.
Like, is this going to be our space race?
Like that's going to bring everyone together.
It really does feel that way.
Like we're all coming together, like realizing celebrities aren't really that special.
You know, what's really special is the people that are being, I mean, they're
not going out and working by choice.
They have no choice.
They have to go work.
It's like, we're all calling them heroes, but they have no choice.
It's like, they're risking their lives to be out in man, the countless
different things that they're doing.
tim pool
You know, I can only think of the Lord of the Rings meme.
adam crigler
Which one?
tim pool
Gimli, he looks at Legolas and he's like, I never thought I'd die fighting beside an elf.
adam crigler
Oh yeah.
tim pool
And I'm like, I never thought I'd laugh at jokes by woke Twitter making fun of, you know, a celebrity.
Side by side.
So they just show a bunch of tweets.
But I gotta be honest.
It's just people trying to get in the bandwagon.
Does anybody really care that Ellen made a stupid joke?
adam crigler
No, it has nothing to do with Ellen.
tim pool
Right.
adam crigler
It's like, oh, I can make a funny joke and people will spread it around.
Exactly.
And I'll get some hits.
And I'll get some likes.
tim pool
It's like, oh, I want to play?
I want to play!
adam crigler
Yeah, that's what it is.
tim pool
And they tweet it.
And somebody just, like, quoted it.
Some of it's just not even... Like, I'm angry about this.
What is this?
Yeah, Ellen might want to address this on her next YouTube video.
Well, she deleted the video, apparently.
adam crigler
Oh, did she?
tim pool
Yeah, I guess you took it down.
Oh, no, it's right here, isn't it?
Is it up?
Okay, it's up.
I'm not going to play that.
I do not want to hear that music.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
Yeah, apparently some people were saying it.
I mean, celebrities have been, for the most part, going insane.
What is this?
Can we not?
Are you going to... You're giving me the business?
Okay, I guess they kicked me out because I...
What is this?
Oh, I see what happened.
They were like, why don't you subscribe?
adam crigler
Why don't you pay for this?
tim pool
So we covered, I don't want to say we covered it, but we made fun of celebrities quite a bit a couple weeks ago.
adam crigler
It's fun.
tim pool
And everyone seems to be in on it.
And it's kind of a cool thing, you know?
Like, hey, let's make fun of these people.
It's cool because we used to just needlessly prop them up.
Everybody wanted to know who they were, what they were wearing, where they took poops and like, you know what I mean?
People would like hide in bushes, take pictures of them.
Now everyone's just making fun of them.
So as much as like the Ellen DeGeneres thing is a bunch of people who just don't, they don't actually care about Ellen, but they want to be a part of the crowd.
I kind of dig it.
adam crigler
You know what?
I feel like there's one celeb that might be above this.
tim pool
Ryan Reynolds?
adam crigler
Bill Murray.
tim pool
Bill Murray!
adam crigler
Bill Murray can just do whatever he wants.
tim pool
There's a handful.
lydia smith
Yeah, there's a few.
adam crigler
I don't know.
I feel like Bill Murray, he's kind of like the craziest one of them all that can just pop into your party and be like, hey, what up?
He's not going to lose it though.
I feel like he lost it long ago.
tim pool
If Bill Murray made a video and he was like, Hey everybody, Bill Murray here.
I hope you're all staying safe.
Just want to make sure you're doing all right and you're staying home.
Have a good one.
Then people would be like, Whoa, what happened to this guy?
Oh my God.
adam crigler
Wait, Bill Murray's normal?
tim pool
Yeah.
He's a normal celebrity.
Say something crazy.
He's like, you know, kind of like a Ryan Reynolds kind of character.
Ryan Reynolds is kind of like Bill Murray.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
So I'm not going to read through this article, but it's just funny because this is the cut from New York Mag.
The celebs are losing it.
I saw this and I said to myself, I read this article two weeks ago.
They keep losing it.
They're consistently losing it.
adam crigler
But this just came out like five days, six days ago.
tim pool
Yeah, it was like a week ago.
And then we have, this one's funny.
from the spectator. Why we love to hate celebrities. One world together at home is a weirdly complacent
unidentified
Tell us.
tim pool
name. And this is just again. It's not that I care to like read the opinion pieces about
celebrities. Yeah. But I noticed there was something unifying all of us. We used to be
unified by knowing these celebrities and talking about them.
Now we're unified in our hatred of them.
adam crigler
Our love slash hatred.
tim pool
You know what's interesting?
I heard that, you know Bollywood in India?
For those that don't know, India is Hollywood.
I heard that in India, they're looked down upon.
Whereas in the United States, celebrities are looked up to.
Yeah, so I don't know if that's true.
People have said to me that in India they don't consider it to be a high class kind of thing, where in America they're celebrities.
They're the rich and the wealthy and the famous and everyone wants to be like them and all that stuff.
Now we're just making fun of them all.
That's kind of a cool thing, because if we can discourage people from trying to be like these awful people, then, you know... And be more like doctors?
Yeah, or grocery store food stalkers.
adam crigler
Well, no, I was talking about, like... I mean, sure, yeah, that's a necessity right now, but, you know, back in the day, it was more like, you know, you aspire to be like a doctor, or the president, or an astronaut, or a scientist that discovers life on another planet.
tim pool
You know what kids want to be today?
adam crigler
Celebrities?
tim pool
Kind of.
You're close.
adam crigler
It's more specific.
Uh... Influencers?
tim pool
Even closer!
You're getting warm.
unidentified
What is it?
tim pool
You want the answer?
adam crigler
Yeah, just tell me.
tim pool
YouTuber.
adam crigler
Oh, really?
tim pool
Yep.
I mean, it might... Okay.
So this was, I think, last year they did a survey, like, what do you want to be when you're an adult?
And, like, the biggest group said YouTuber.
Like, YouTube famous.
And then there was, um...
I would imagine today it's like TikTok.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah, but you guys want to hear a funny story?
Because you weren't around for this.
adam crigler
Sure.
tim pool
When I first moved to this house, I'm like, it's kind of empty.
And there's a knock on the door.
And I walk up to the door and I open it and there's a bunch of like 14 year old girls.
Standing on my porch with their arms crossed like you know looking all I don't know
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Sassy 14 year old girl, and then one girl's like she looks at me
She goes are you a famous youtuber?
And I was like what and she goes my mom says you're a famous youtuber
And I laughed and I was like I don't know and she goes I bet you're rich, and I laughed
I was like, what?
And she goes, yeah.
And then the other girl was like, my dad said you're really rich.
And I'm like, who?
I just moved here.
Who are you people?
Like, who's going around and saying all these things is not true.
And I was like, your parents probably make way more than I do.
And then they were like, I can't remember what they asked me, but I was like, is that, is that all you wanted to know?
Can I, can I go back to like playing video games or not?
Just playing Warcraft or something.
But I think the reason, I don't know why they, why they came here and did it.
It was funny.
I was like these weird little kids, but uh, yeah.
adam crigler
You're a mini celebrity to them.
tim pool
Well, no, but to me, I grew up in an era of YouTube, so YouTube to me isn't special.
It's interesting because I feel like we're always looking up to the people who came before us, and so, to the person, like, man...
When you get to that point, when you're in your thirties and you're like, you are the head of your, you know, uh, your office or something.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Like, let's say you're, you're no longer the apprentice.
You've now taken over the principal, you know, task at your, at your company.
Maybe you've become like the chief, the chief chef or whatever.
To you, it's just normal.
It's like, I've been here for a long time and now I'm doing my thing.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But other people come in, they look at you and you're like, you're the man, you're the boss.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
So for me, it's like, I'm just like, I'm not, I'm just a guy who started filming myself.
I don't know anything about YouTube, but these younger people see YouTubers and they're like rock stars.
adam crigler
Yeah.
You saw you too.
You, you were there when there was no YouTube.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
You know?
So now, you know, and you've seen it and you've grown with it.
tim pool
But for me, it's, it's still like, it reminds me of that episode of the Simpsons where Homer wanted to be an inventor.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
And then he made that, uh, he's like, he, he was obsessed with Thomas Edison.
So he made this little chart showing Edison and all the things he had invented by a certain time frame and then him.
And then when he finally went to Edison's office museum or whatever, he saw the exact same thing where it said Da Vinci and Edison.
And so he was like, wow, it's just like me.
It's kind of a stupid thing because Edison was just like a businessman.
But that's kind of the idea.
These kids look at me on YouTube and they think like, oh wow, and for me I'm kind of like, I'm looking at TV anchors and like multi-millionaire network hosts.
adam crigler
Who's the person you look up to?
Look up to?
tim pool
I wouldn't say I look up to anybody.
adam crigler
No?
tim pool
I'd say like, in terms of production quality and wealth and success, it would be like primetime cable news anchors or personalities.
adam crigler
But no one in particular?
tim pool
No, I mean, I think one of the things that'll lead you to success is thinking everyone's a moron.
So I think everybody on TV is stupid, like Ellen especially.
adam crigler
Pretty sure she can take a joke?
tim pool
No, I don't really think she's stupid.
She's obviously smart enough to be successful in everything she's done, so that means she's avoided pitfalls and has been able to expand her company.
In terms of the news space, I think no one does it better than Joe Rogan, whether he will publicly say it or not.
He does shows where he interviews smart scientists and stuff, and it's the biggest podcast in the world.
I look at the cable TV people.
And I do think it's fascinating that they have less influence.
That's like the old guard.
It's kind of fading away and dying out.
So anyway, that's kind of the point, you know, whether it matters or not.
As for the celebrities, I'm actually excited that the old traditional TV style stuff is burning out.
adam crigler
And they're trying to be YouTube stars.
unidentified
Yep.
Boom.
adam crigler
They're trying to dive into YouTube and it's not working.
unidentified
Nope.
adam crigler
It's like, get out my house.
tim pool
That's literally what Ellen was doing.
adam crigler
I know.
tim pool
And it ended up blowing up in her face.
adam crigler
I mean, everyone's talking about Ellen right now.
So it's like Alyssa Milano.
Everyone's talking about Alyssa Milano.
And it's like, maybe that's all she wanted was just people talking about her.
tim pool
Maybe.
But they're more sensitive to high profile brands.
adam crigler
I don't think that's exactly what Ellen was doing though.
tim pool
She wasn't trying to get attention.
adam crigler
No, no, I know.
That's what I'm saying.
tim pool
She's just corny.
adam crigler
Yeah, she's quirky, and honestly, it is kind of funny.
If you take out any of the being offended part of it, it's kind of funny.
It's like something George Carlin would say.
It's like, oh, well, that's what George Carlin would say.
He's like that.
tim pool
It's like, well... Her saying, it's like being in jail, that's the joke.
It's ironic that she's a wealthy individual in a mansion comparing it to jail.
That's literally the joke.
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
Now that everyone here is gay, I thought was pretty brazen considering, you know.
lydia smith
She's gay, so maybe that was part of the joke.
tim pool
Right.
adam crigler
Well, and her wife is also gay.
Yeah, and so I mean...
tim pool
But I mean, talking about prisons and the people there don't go in like...
lydia smith
Voluntarily gay.
unidentified
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
That's really it.
Look, I'm not gonna complain about a joke that's offensive.
I'm the last person to.
I'm the one who turns on the Count Dankula videos and laughs at them,
and they're like as offensive as they possibly come.
But you give the woke Twitterati an opportunity to pretend to be angry.
adam crigler
Yeah, there you go.
Yeah, exactly.
That's really it, nailed it.
tim pool
All right, so shall we just jump over and talk about the rent stuff?
adam crigler
Yeah, let's do it.
tim pool
So the next bit we got for you guys is actually on a more serious note.
And I thought it was a good segue because we just talked about Ellen DeGeneres and her fancy mansion and the celebrities with all their glorious wealth.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And now we have the other side of things.
The people who don't live in mansions, who live in cubicles in New York and can't afford to pay rent because most of them lost their jobs at some point in March.
And now they're not paying them.
And this is also interesting because over a week ago, we were talking about it.
TikTok, the time bomb, when rent won't get paid and the ripple effect it'll have on the economy.
So they're doing this thing with the CARES Act, the stimulus package, that all businesses can apply for like a three month loan that will cover your payroll.
And then as long as it goes to payroll, you don't got to pay it back.
adam crigler
That's dope.
tim pool
Basically a grant.
adam crigler
That's really cool.
tim pool
It is, but I'm curious as to what the long-term effects are going to be.
adam crigler
Yeah, printing more money, right?
tim pool
What you've got to understand, too, is there are a lot of businesses that don't need it.
adam crigler
Okay, that's a good point.
tim pool
And it's going to cause inflation, will devalue currency, and you have some businesses that are desperate for it, and it won't be enough.
Because it's not just about payroll, it's like, if you've got to buy product, you've got to move product.
Oh, that's great, I can pay the staff, but how do I buy the thing to make them actually, you know?
Let's say you have a company that makes birdhouses.
It's like, congratulations, you can pay the guy to make the birdhouse, but you can't pay for the wood.
Then you've got companies where it's like, I don't know, some dude on YouTube who complains about his feelings.
And it's like, I just keep doing my thing, and it's the same eligibility.
So it's not perfect.
But, you know, it's curious.
I guess the general idea is they want to give people money, but they don't want to break the economy.
So it's like, you're not working, but we're giving you money, but through your job.
So it's like... Yeah.
One of the other big things, apparently, was that they're going to give everyone guaranteed unemployment if they lost their job, plus $600, thus incentivizing people to quit their jobs or leave their jobs.
adam crigler
Right, because you'll make more money that way.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Yeah, there was a concern that, you know, people would ask their bosses to, like, lay them off so they could make more money.
But the rent thing is interesting because I think we've got a mix of the photo they used is great.
adam crigler
Let's get into superchats so we can actually do this.
tim pool
Do what?
adam crigler
Do the subject.
We were gonna do superchats.
I thought so.
tim pool
Well, we'll jump into superchats.
adam crigler
Let's do that.
What up, everybody?
unidentified
Heyo.
No.
What?
tim pool
I didn't know anything about that.
It seems awfully specific.
adam crigler
Yeah, but alright.
tim pool
Yeah, right?
Justin O'Toole says, Have you heard about players in Borderlands 3 being able to help
unidentified
Very cool.
tim pool
scientists with research into microbes via a minigame?
I think it's awesome.
adam crigler
Thoughts?
tim pool
I didn't know anything about that.
It seems awfully specific.
adam crigler
Yeah, but all right.
Very cool.
Interesting.
tim pool
Mark Taylor says, Mr. President, the resident perpetual intellectual and political semen
demon that gets me screaming.
Wow.
UU says, Soy Jesus hearted my Twitter post thanking y'all.
Well, there you go.
Is that true?
You did.
adam crigler
I must have.
Alright.
tim pool
Brother says, Adam looks like a BeeGee.
Yes.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Do you know the BeeGees?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, staying alive.
Kyle Buchanan says, Hey Tim, can you post a pic of your PC?
Lydia, you are beautiful, Adam, and Tim, I have never played Magic, can you explain it to me?
It is a trading card game where you have a stack of cards, you draw them, and each of them has a special thing on it, and you do that.
And then, that's the game.
adam crigler
And you try to kill the other person.
tim pool
Yes, but only in fantasy.
adam crigler
Yeah, and it doesn't ever cause arguments among friends.
tim pool
Oh, man.
Never.
adam crigler
That was a lie.
tim pool
I once watched two kids playing the Pokemon card game, and one kid picked up his Razor Scooter and just smashed the other kid in the arm.
adam crigler
Whoa!
tim pool
Yeah.
Yeah, man.
adam crigler
People get into their games, yo.
tim pool
So they were playing Pokemon card games a long time ago, when I was a teenager, and the one kid got mad.
He's like, you can't do that!
And the other kid's like, yes, I can.
And the other kid's like, no, you can't!
They started yelling, and then the kid just picked up his Razor Scooter and was like, ah!
And whacked him with it.
adam crigler
See, a lot of these things, when I see people smashing their controllers or flipping the table, it says a lot more about the person than the game they're playing.
Oh, of course.
Any game is susceptible to getting the controller thrown.
It's all about the person holding it.
tim pool
Oh, yeah.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Matthew says, MLB is considering opening season in Arizona.
Cool.
And I heard MMA bought a private island.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
Oh, they did buy it?
Oh, I don't know.
Did they?
I knew they were looking for a private island to host a fight every weekend.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
Should be interesting.
tim pool
Jack H., thanks for becoming a member.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
Grizzly Jack says, if I make a Minecraft server that teaches Kids Economy 101, would you advertise the server?
I don't know anything about Minecraft, so I would not know how to properly... Same.
Yeah.
UU says, my local comic card store has an open drive-thru.
Oh, that's really cool.
unidentified
Oh, cool.
Interesting.
Yeah.
adam crigler
That's neat.
tim pool
Midland says, the closest feeling to the stay-at-home order for me is when I would stay on campus during fall-spring break, no one around, and peace and quiet.
Mark Taylor says, Tim, I don't like videos because liked videos go into a playlist that I save for my favorite videos on YouTube.
Well then, there you go.
Don't like it.
Push it in anyway.
Alex says, Joe Biden's new campaign slogan, vote for Joe and put the Dem back in dementia.
lydia smith
Spicy.
adam crigler
Zing.
tim pool
The Price is Right Review says, being respectfully honest, women like Melissa Milano, uh, Alyssa Milano, is that what you mean?
Amber Heard and Blasey Ford are why MGTOW exists.
The saddest thing is thousands of women being influenced by these women, thus men do not trust most women as a result.
And that's always a mistake, to blanket over every person because you saw one bad person, or even a handful of bad people.
Yeah, so true.
I get it though, I mean, you gotta solve, we gotta break that cycle.
Diego says, Trump 2016, if you vote for me, I'll make America great again.
Trump 2020, if you vote for me, I'll pardon Joe Exotic.
Yeah, he did joke about it.
It's not true.
You know, people, of course, are trying to pretend like he's actually going to pardon the guy.
adam crigler
Yeah.
Nah.
tim pool
Featherfall says, if you had absolute power to change or add one law, what would it be?
Mine would be to make lobbying punishable by life in prison.
If you could make one law.
adam crigler
I like that a lot.
Not punishable by prison, just make it illegal.
tim pool
Term limits.
adam crigler
The lobbying thing would be a big difference.
If they weren't getting paid crazy amounts of money to influence their decision, then the term limit thing, I feel, wouldn't be as big of a deal.
tim pool
I wouldn't change anything.
adam crigler
You wouldn't change a thing?
tim pool
I would change nothing.
adam crigler
I think lobbying doesn't make sense.
tim pool
You would enact the law and then realize where the pitfall was after the fact and be like, shouldn't have done that.
adam crigler
Well, I'm also not a politician, so I don't know the intricacies of what would happen.
tim pool
I'm not gonna mess with the machine if I don't know what it's gonna do and where it's gonna end up.
lydia smith
I thought you were gonna get rid of hipster music for us.
unidentified
What?
lydia smith
That was the promise.
Yeah, the Lumineers.
tim pool
That music that goes, hey, hey.
No one would ever be allowed to say hey in music.
No more songs where they go, hey!
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
You know?
Is it just the Lumineers?
lydia smith
Yeah, well, no.
tim pool
No, no.
In all honesty, though, if I had the power to enforce any one law, it would be the permanent and complete banning of anise, cilantro, fennel, and caraway seeds, punishable by death, of course.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
On the spot.
lydia smith
Ooh, yeah.
tim pool
No questions.
You're fine with it?
adam crigler
Just lace them with anthrax?
tim pool
Oh, we would, like, we would do tons of stuff.
lydia smith
Oh yeah, man.
tim pool
So, you know, that the U.S.
government, I think this is an urban legend, I'm not sure if it's true, they, like, spiked alcohol during Prohibition.
adam crigler
Really?
tim pool
Yeah, because they were like, we've put, you know, we've spiked this, I think they spiked it with, like, menthol or something, like wood alcohol.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
And people were drinking it anyway and dying.
Yeah, it could be an urban legend, I don't know if it's true.
Is it true?
lydia smith
Well, Slate says it happened, a little told story of how the U.S.
government poisoned alcohol during Prohibition.
tim pool
Well, there you go.
adam crigler
What law would you put in?
lydia smith
Me?
Um, I do like the term limits thing and I like the lobbying thing.
I think that they're really tied together, so.
adam crigler
Yep, makes sense.
tim pool
Any law though?
Just like, you do any law?
adam crigler
That's what I would do.
I would stop lobbying.
That's the number one thing I feel is a problem with our government at the moment.
tim pool
You know what most people would probably say?
adam crigler
What?
tim pool
Like, I get a million dollars.
adam crigler
Is that a law?
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
There's a law that I'm gonna amend.
tim pool
It is illegal to not give me a dollar if you see me.
unidentified
Boom!
tim pool
Not give me a dollar.
And now next time when I see you tomorrow, you better give me a dollar.
Somebody would do something stupid.
lydia smith
It would work.
adam crigler
I guess.
tim pool
Yeah.
Alright, where are we at?
King Lenny says, what do you guys and Gal think of these corporations offering to help people by elevating some of the cost put on them?
Alleviating.
I don't know about what's going on in that regard.
adam crigler
Yeah, I don't know.
tim pool
What's that in reference to?
lydia smith
There was a company that makes insulin that was cutting the cost of insulin for people with diabetes.
I thought that was really nice.
tim pool
It's gonna deflate the economy.
adam crigler
It's probably still like four times the price of every other country.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
What's the result of this?
If prices are dropping artificially, people are losing their jobs, but the super wealthy corporations still have tons of money, won't this just consolidate power in the hands of major corporations and wealthy billionaires?
adam crigler
Yep.
lydia smith
I don't know.
tim pool
Well, there you go!
adam crigler
I see it.
tim pool
Blacktron says, Hi Tim, I saw an article on Breitbart about Wuhan COVID patients being burned alive.
Can you look into this and see if it's true?
This story comes from Radio Free Asia, where they said unconfirmed rumors from locals.
They say that they heard screams coming from the incinerators, from the crematoriums.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
That's not confirmation of anything.
And the reason I don't believe it is because if the Chinese government was going to burn people alive, first of all, they're harvesting organs.
So...
lydia smith
It's a waste.
tim pool
I'd imagine that they wouldn't immediately.
But maybe that's proof they kind of would.
But also, wouldn't you just knock them out to stop them from screaming?
lydia smith
And how would you hear them through the walls?
I guess I don't know.
There's too many variables.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Maybe they're in the incinerator where the vent goes to the roof and they're screaming and people can hear it kind of like a trumpet or something.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
That's a good point.
Radio Free Asia reported it.
They said it's unconfirmed rumors.
So that's as far as you get with it.
adam crigler
Who knows?
lydia smith
Grisly.
tim pool
Rick Sanchez, thanks for the super chat.
He says, repeal the NFA.
James Mayweather says, been gaming and watching your show during the quarantine.
I am temporarily out of work, was a bartender due to CV, but I was able to get unemployment.
Awesome, glad to hear.
InfoMinimal says, it isn't jail, it's sloth life like Orange Cassidy.
Well, I don't know what that is.
Neither do I. Michael Warris says, buy some more cat litter.
unidentified
Okay, we will.
tim pool
Hmm says, can mechanics have a shout out?
We are still keeping people safe on the road along with disinfecting vehicles all day.
I'm sure we'll get coronavirus.
Definite shout out to the mechanics.
Hey man, we'll rag on celebrities all day and then praise people who do real work.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Like mechanics, electricians, plumbers, even landscaping.
adam crigler
Sewage workers.
tim pool
We have a guy who came by because we had to deal with some diseased trees.
Substantially more important than celebrities.
Yeah, definitely.
adam crigler
Trees that are diseased can fall over and kill people.
tim pool
Yeah, exactly.
It's true.
That's an essential service.
You know it's not?
Ellen complaining in her mansion.
adam crigler
Ellen's show.
tim pool
Definitely not this show.
adam crigler
No.
tim pool
Not essential.
adam crigler
No.
tim pool
That's why we're in our basement.
adam crigler
Let's not say it too loud.
tim pool
We are very important.
lydia smith
Yes.
tim pool
Without us, people would lose their minds.
lydia smith
It's true.
adam crigler
People are saying, you know, they like listening to us.
tim pool
No, man.
It reminds me of how these journalists are so snooty.
Like, I told this story recently, I think, where I was at that conference, and somebody asked these, like, the journalism panel, name three things you can do that a citizen journalist can't.
unidentified
And they were like, oh, well, I never.
tim pool
That's not an answer.
That was their response.
lydia smith
That's not an answer.
tim pool
But it was, I'm obviously exaggerating, but their response was like, well, we're professionals.
I mean, we have standards and you know that we are honest.
And people were like, uh-huh.
adam crigler
Uh-huh, I stopped listening.
tim pool
Right.
That's why I would never play a game and try and pretend to be essential.
But you know there's gonna be a bunch of celebrities where they're like, celebrities are very important.
We give people hope.
You know, all these poor people, they get to look at us how wealthy and beautiful we are.
And that makes them feel better about themselves because they can live vicariously through me.
adam crigler
Yeah, there's some celebs that definitely feel that way.
And there have already been rudely awakened I don't know if they have been.
Some of them have, or at least the celebrities might not have, but the entire rest of the world who used to idolize them have been awakened.
They're like, oh yeah, that's not so special anymore.
tim pool
Me on the other hand, I'm a dude in his basement complaining about his feelings on the internet, so I'm not gonna pretend to be important.
But hey, thanks for watching, everybody.
Apparently it's pointed off.
adam crigler
Appreciate you.
tim pool
Socialism says, did you see the leader of the WHO say to Trump, unless you want more body bags, don't politicize the virus?
This was after Trump said we are not going to support them.
unidentified
Yikes.
adam crigler
I did.
tim pool
I didn't see that.
And you know what?
They pumped out fake info.
So at this point, what do you do?
Do you give them more money?
They did a bad job.
lydia smith
Yeah, no, you get a pay cut.
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
Sorry.
tim pool
Well, we'll see how things play out.
I don't know.
lydia smith
I hope.
tim pool
Space Dan, thanks for becoming a member.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
Talbot says, plenty of time at home, for most, for homework.
Shame I make industrial protective and PPE gear.
Plenty of work for me.
I like homework.
Sad.
Well, at least you're doing something very important.
adam crigler
Thank you for doing it.
tim pool
Judge Tater says, hey Adam, you might like the YouTube channel Jack's Blade.
He's a personal trainer and anime nerd who makes fitness videos based on anime characters.
Oh, that's really cool.
adam crigler
Yeah, that sounds cool.
Yeah, right on.
tim pool
Merrick says, Tim and Adam are currently the most trusted news sources on the planet.
Hire more reporters.
lydia smith
Yes!
adam crigler
Nice!
tim pool
Think about what that means.
Even if one person thinks that's true, like three people in a basement reading stories online and complaining about stuff is more trustworthy than CNN.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
That says bad stuff about CNN or really good stuff about us.
unidentified
Good stuff about us.
adam crigler
Let's go with that.
lydia smith
Yeah, let's go with the latter.
unidentified
Let's go positive.
adam crigler
Stick with it.
tim pool
Yes.
adam crigler
I like it.
tim pool
CNN is trash anyway.
adam crigler
Thank you for that.
I appreciate you.
tim pool
JWillie says, United Nations calling for 10% tax on global gross domestic product to combat the virus.
Oh, yeah.
lydia smith
Oh, sure.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
lydia smith
That's gonna happen.
tim pool
Jonathan says, I play Abzan reanimator combo with Carador as my commander.
What are your thoughts on the 2020 commander releases?
adam crigler
Well, first off, I have two comments on this.
Caridor Reanimator is the deck that I built against you.
I called it the anti-Tim deck.
And it was basically just to counteract every shenanigans he pulls when playing Magic.
I don't have that deck anymore, but I might actually bring it back.
And I have pre-ordered all of them, the new Commander decks, because they look amazing and fun.
And I'm going to make the Hydra nightmare.
For those who know what it is.
tim pool
James says, Hey peeps, stay at home if you can and wear a mask, banana, etc.
If you need to go out, my mask protects you.
Your mask protects me.
Masks for all.
There you go.
adam crigler
Yes.
If you can find them.
tim pool
Baltazar says, CO2 isn't a pollutant.
Plants eat CO2 and sacrifice 100 molecules of H2O to acquire it.
Historical records of CO2 were in the thousands, not hundreds.
We need more CO2, not less.
Source William Happer.
Not familiar with who that is, but thanks for the suggestion.
adam crigler
Very interesting though.
tim pool
Ryan Walker says the left and their kinder, gentler politics have been frankly abhorrent regarding Boris Johnson's health.
On Twitter, there are large groups of korbanites wishing death upon him, disgusting animals.
It's always important to point out, though, that the fringe limetics on Twitter are a very tiny fraction of the real world.
adam crigler
That's a good point.
lydia smith
There was a labor mayor who lost her job.
She will not be re-elected because of what she said about Boris Johnson.
adam crigler
What'd she say?
lydia smith
She's like, good, I'm glad he got sick.
unidentified
Jeez.
lydia smith
I think she went short of saying she hoped he died, but I was like, that is awful.
tim pool
These people are crazy.
adam crigler
You wish that upon anyone.
lydia smith
I don't know.
adam crigler
I don't get it.
lydia smith
I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
tim pool
Arrogant narcissists who think they're smarter and better than you.
unidentified
They're not.
tim pool
They're just really dumb people.
It's really frustrating how stupid many of these people are, and they think they're so smart.
Man, it's just so awful.
adam crigler
And they gotta shout to the world.
And actually, you know, it kind of goes in, they're not tough.
It's fake toughness.
We're going to go into that later.
It's kind of interesting, right?
tim pool
Seeing the story about Trump owning a stake in this company that makes the hydroxychloroquine.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And all these people are, you look in the comments and they're just talking about how smart they are.
It's like, man, if only you could literally smack sense into somebody, you can't.
They're just stupid people and they think they're smart.
That's what's so scary.
Granted, there are people who exist on this in all spec, you know, every, every spec, you know, every side of the political, Isn't that Dunning-Kruger, where you think you're a lot smarter than you are?
Yeah.
It's like you're so dumb, you can't realize how dumb you are.
Scary.
Harold says Trump could go bankrupt because of decisions he's making in the best interest of the country.
He can't get bailouts.
Where's the credit for this?
Yeah, somebody pointed out something funny.
They were like, the amount of money Trump stands to make if the economy recovers is in the millions.
The amount he stands to make if he sells some of this generic drug through a company he owns a minority stake in is like four figures.
Like a thousand bucks.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
So dumb.
John McGarry says the answer to the Edpocalypse is simple.
Content creators band together and tell their viewers not to watch commercial TV on YouTube.
It just would never work.
It's not gonna happen.
A Handy Redneck says, if that prison video were real, ask yourself, how did the inmates get a smartphone and post the video?
The phone is contraband and not allowed, yet tons of people in prisons and jails have cell phones.
They smuggle them in all the time.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's true.
tim pool
There was a story recently where a guy had a cell phone because they forgot to take it from him, and so he asked them to charge it, and then they charged him with smuggling contraband.
Yeah, and it was like a big controversy.
adam crigler
He's like, you didn't take it from me, what?
tim pool
But yeah, this could literally be someone who smuggled in a phone and filmed.
I mean, phones are ubiquitous.
I mean, for all you know, they paid a guard to do it or something.
There's a bunch of different ways someone could sneak in a phone for them.
adam crigler
Haven't you ever seen Shawshank Redemption?
Come on.
tim pool
So what you're saying is the guy chipped away a hole in the wall, climbed out through the sewage line, made it out, made it back in with a phone, and filmed it.
lydia smith
Yeah, probably.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
It's true though, I think we gotta be skeptical of these videos.
adam crigler
No, you're absolutely right.
tim pool
Jazz Meyer says, wah, don't break the law.
The Game Freak says, hey Tim, Adam, and Lydia, I'm here in Florida preparing for an eventual lockdown.
I watch your vids every day alongside local news.
Hope things are going all right for you guys.
Keep up the good work.
adam crigler
Appreciate it.
tim pool
The Unremined says, I'm McFreakin' losing it.
Loosing it.
Oh, sorry.
Annoyed Moderate says, you should looking into Patrick Henry if you haven't truly an awesome American.
I encourage everyone to research the founders and the beginnings of this country.
Yeah, he's the guy who said, give me liberty or give me death.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Second Virginian Convention.
Alex Aiello says, in MI, some celebs are buying meals for healthcare.
unidentified
Oh, good.
tim pool
That's cool.
lydia smith
That's nice.
adam crigler
That is nice.
tim pool
Abated says, this question is for Chad Jesus.
When you were still a model, did women constantly approach you for spiritual strength or ask you to relieve their sins?
It was one of them.
adam crigler
Wait, is this serious?
Is this a serious question or a joke?
Oh, that's funny.
tim pool
Nev says, where is the Cove 19 2020 version of We Are The World?
LOL, stay everyone.
Shout out to my essential workers.
Ketoth says, Tim Pool is so cool.
I heard that.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
That's great.
Thanks for the super chat.
Renison, thanks for joining.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
Austin Laverty.
Oh, we just got the big jump.
Wonderful.
Thank you, YouTube, for helping me not know where the super chats are.
lydia smith
Getting close.
tim pool
Are we?
Nope.
There we go.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
Austin Laverty says, Might use this time to study for ham radio tech and general test.
You can use HF bands to talk around the world to real people instead of internet people if this hits again, and can do both tests at the same time.
Cool.
Eggman says, Speaking of celebrities, are you guys ready for that inevitable movie based on coronavirus, probably starring Tom Hanks playing the role of Tom Hanks?
adam crigler
It's already happening.
Is it really?
What did they make?
I think the makers of The Office are writing a new sitcom called Quarantine.
I don't know what it's called.
It's supposed to be a comedy though.
But I'm sure there's going to be a movie about this.
tim pool
We'll be surprised.
adam crigler
Many movies.
tim pool
Azazel says, I look up to Jon Stewart, even though we probably disagree politically.
Yep, he's a cool dude.
Paul says, Bernie voted in support of illegal bombing of Yugoslavia, which targeted and destroyed beautiful Orthodox churches, infrastructure, and civilians.
He was never the anti-war candidate.
Yes, I think he voted in favor of the first AUMF as well, after 9-11.
Not the second one, though.
Student of History says, if they wanted to send a message and be relatable, these celebrities would be better off saying, stay home and stay safe and promptly streaming COD.
Yes, they would.
Zachary says, what negative repercussions would there be to legally mandate the MSM to air their retractions first thing at their next primetime online and on TV?
I don't think the U.S.
can pass a law controlling the freedom of the press or infringing upon in any capacity.
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
That's it.
adam crigler
Yeah.
lydia smith
I wish that were a requirement, though.
That seems like a good thing.
tim pool
There's civil things to it.
Right.
So the Covington kids should have mandated that they issue an on-air apology.
Maybe they did.
I don't know.
adam crigler
Yeah, who knows?
lydia smith
I don't know.
tim pool
Kasper, thanks for the super chat.
Ethan says, Tim, soy Jesus ghost girl.
Thoughts on Joe Exotic?
Innocent, guilty?
Should Orange Man pardon?
adam crigler
I don't know.
tim pool
I watched 20 minutes and I was like, what is this?
adam crigler
I was like, holding my eyeballs open.
I'm like, I must watch this.
Everyone seems to really want us to talk about it.
And then I'm like, man, this show is really bad.
And I like look around.
I'm like, right guys.
unidentified
Right.
lydia smith
Right.
adam crigler
And I'm like in the room by myself.
And I'm like, Oh, we used to live off.
tim pool
I used to live right by that guy.
adam crigler
No, no, no.
That was, um, that was his competitor.
The woman.
Where do I get that globe and saucer?
Yeah, Carol Baskin's place was right near our...
tim pool
Remember the monkey jungle thing?
adam crigler
Yeah, we never went to it.
tim pool
I don't know.
There's probably her neighbor.
Yeah, something like that.
Jeremiah says, where do I get that globe and saucer?
The saucer I got from Instagram.
I found it on eBay just recently.
adam crigler
I really want to spin it for the chat.
Everyone's like, spin UFO!
They're trying to will it.
And I'm like, I'm watching it and I'm like... It could fall very easily.
I know.
I know it can.
tim pool
It's super... Why did it stop?
adam crigler
It's really delicate.
tim pool
Why did it stop?
adam crigler
I don't know.
unidentified
I'm gonna just like... Wait.
adam crigler
Careful.
unidentified
There we go.
adam crigler
Soft spin.
Gently.
There we are!
unidentified
Yay!
lydia smith
We fixed it.
tim pool
Well, it usually spins and then goes the other direction.
adam crigler
Tim didn't just do that.
That wasn't Tim.
That was you guys.
Yes.
All of you just made that UFO spin.
tim pool
Through the power of the internet.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
All right.
Jesus Perez says, I once saw this guy turn himself into a pickle.
I swear it was the funniest thing I've ever seen.
I saw that, too.
I, too, have seen that.
Corey Davis says, Tim, let's... No, I'm not.
I'm not reading that.
unidentified
Nope, nope, nope.
tim pool
Michael Conner says, gone to an argument with a friend as she was saying Trump has dementia just like Biden, if not worse, and that she will always vote blue no matter who.
adam crigler
So many of these.
tim pool
Somebody made a website called Bernie or Else.
Yeah, Bernie or Else.
adam crigler
Really?
tim pool
Yeah.
Not Bernie or Bust.
unidentified
Or else!
adam crigler
Geez, what are they going to do?
lydia smith
That's a threat.
Yeah, it's a threat.
adam crigler
Yeah, it is.
But what are they going to do, though?
tim pool
Go smash up windows and start fires.
lydia smith
Set Milwaukee on fire.
adam crigler
Get arrested.
tim pool
Well, no one's going to Milwaukee now.
lydia smith
No, right.
tim pool
Casper says, ABO Comics is publishing an anthology of art by queer prisoners about the pandemic behind bars.
All proceeds go to emergency support.
I mean, that's cool.
If somebody makes a product, people are into it.
You know, when I typically complain about like... My big problem with how they do woke movies and comics and games is that they usually...
Retcon existing stuff.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
They'll take an existing IP and say, like, Iron Man, but now it's a young black woman.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
It's like, why not just make a new character with a new power and everything?
adam crigler
Yeah.
lydia smith
And make her special.
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't get it.
Because Static Shock is like one of the coolest superheroes ever.
You know Static Shock?
unidentified
No, I don't.
tim pool
It started as, I think it was a Dark Horse comic.
I'm not sure.
I don't know.
But it's an original character.
And the show I remember watching when I was growing up It went through a bunch of social justice and, like, educational storylines.
Like, his friend ends up being gay.
He's, like, involved in, like, you know, local gang stuff.
adam crigler
Oh, you told me about this before.
tim pool
Yeah, it was cool.
That's how social justice was done right.
Like creating a cool character who is inspiring and heroic with cool powers in the situations that would help you understand something.
Today it's just like bashing you over the head, making just bad content.
Not funny jokes.
adam crigler
Rewriting stuff that's already around.
Beating it to death.
tim pool
Exactly.
Sick of it too.
It's like they can't make new things.
adam crigler
But I will gladly play Final Fantasy VII Remake tomorrow night.
tim pool
Well, that's different.
That's like the same game, but better.
unidentified
I'm so excited.
adam crigler
Anyway, please continue.
tim pool
Aaron says, Hey guys, the UFO isn't spinning.
It's really distracting.
Now it's spinning.
Why did it stop spinning?
It's speeding up.
That was weird.
adam crigler
The power of the comments minds.
Yeah, that's what it is.
tim pool
Graves says you hear about the Bernie donation refunds.
I didn't.
Is he going to give refunds?
adam crigler
I don't know.
tim pool
Liberty Levin says, move to Asheville.
Also, her name was Breonna Taylor.
Not sure who that is.
Neither do I. And well, you know, the comment super chats will come in on a delay.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
Like people will comment and then we go back to it half an hour later.
So.
Ntero says, I agree, it's so dumb.
It's like, if you want more daylight, wake up an hour earlier.
How stupid is that?
I'll just turn the clock so everyone, you know what?
Swampy says term limits removes power from the people and makes them feel less on the
hook if there's bad officials.
If we elect good people, we lose them.
Yeah, yeah.
That's why term limits... We have so many bad politicians who are like, term limits, without realizing that term limits doesn't guarantee you get a good politician.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
It just guarantees you get a different one.
adam crigler
Maybe gerrymandering would be a thing that I would like to get rid of.
tim pool
People don't understand gerrymandering either.
It's not like someone goes in and goes, It's arguments and debates between groups as to what makes up for constituency.
I'm not going to pretend to know enough about gerrymandering to defend it, but I can at least draw some skepticism on the activists who are acting like it's this grand evil when it exists for a reason.
We have redistricting for a reason, and then you actually have different groups deciding where the lines will be drawn.
And so, it only functions because both the Democrats and the Republicans are benefiting themselves.
adam crigler
Yeah, alright.
tim pool
I don't know.
adam crigler
There's a lot to it.
I'll stay with Megan.
Lobbying.
Illegal.
tim pool
Yep.
Let's see.
Furby says, since you don't understand that you walking up to and asking your own rep to look into something is lobbying, maybe you could brush up on the subject.
Oh, there you go.
adam crigler
I got nothing.
tim pool
If you went to the local congressman's office and started explaining why he needed to do something, that would be lobbying.
adam crigler
Okay, but are you paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to that person?
tim pool
You're not legally allowed to.
Nobody does.
adam crigler
Well, how do they pay?
What's the case then?
Because that's what I assumed is what it was.
tim pool
There's no way to get rid of all the loopholes.
adam crigler
Right.
Lobbyists spend millions of dollars to sway them, but if they're not paying them directly, what exactly are they doing?
Backroom deals?
I'll give your fund $100 million, and it's like, sure, their fund isn't necessarily them, but they own it, and then they get a cut from that anyway.
tim pool
Or it's a favor.
adam crigler
Right.
It's like, I don't know.
tim pool
Yeah, it's not always as simple as everyone thinks it is.
adam crigler
It's a good point.
And again, I'm not a politician.
tim pool
Julia says, Tim, how dare you come for the Lumineers?
You have lost my vote for Supreme Overlord.
lydia smith
That was me, not Tim.
tim pool
No, no, no, no, no, no.
No.
I did not say there will be no more Lumineers.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
They will not be allowed to say, hey.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's all.
tim pool
All songs will have the hey's removed.
lydia smith
Surgically removed.
adam crigler
Oh, even older songs will have, so then we'll have like bootleg tapes underground.
It's just, oh, I got the original.
Oh, you want that original song here?
tim pool
Oh, I got that.
unidentified
I got that OG song.
tim pool
How many Hayes are in it?
adam crigler
Don't worry about it, Tim.
Nothing.
tim pool
Over here.
adam crigler
I got this.
I got this.
tim pool
And then he walks up, and he puts a headphone jack into it, and he puts one ear up to it, and he goes, you cut this.
There's only three Hayes.
unidentified
There should be six!
adam crigler
The original had six!
tim pool
Dealing in Hayes.
Max Lang says, would you ever go on the Jesse Lee Peterson show?
I'm vaguely familiar with him, but for the most part, I'm going on no shows at all anymore because I work here, like, all day from 7am to 10pm.
lydia smith
Yeah, man.
tim pool
Nano says, what about lobbying for orphan adoption?
That's right.
Would you ban lobbying for orphan adoption?
Yes!
lydia smith
I don't know.
adam crigler
Are people actually doing that?
Are they going and lobbying the government for orphan adoption?
tim pool
Yeah, probably.
adam crigler
It's like, yeah, probably.
I want to take money out of it.
That would be the key.
It's funny.
I'm like, I'm not a politician.
Let me keep saying it.
I'm not a politician.
I don't know enough about this kind of stuff.
You asked me what law I would make and I would dig into that if I was a politician.
tim pool
The issue is that everyone else is evil, right?
So when the NRA lobbies, you get all these activists, people like David Hogg, being like, we're coming for you, NRA!
And the NRA is like, we need the right to defend ourselves.
And so they see this angry kid who wants to shut down their civil liberties and civil rights.
It's everyone else who's evil, you know what I mean?
Granted, I think...
These activists who are trying to like go after the NRA are just doing it to virtue signal to make money and none of them have any idea what they're actually talking about.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Which is a serious problem in politics.
adam crigler
It's true.
tim pool
Carl says, your thoughts on conspiracy theory.
The conspiracy theory that China created the virus and cure, released them on their own public knowing it would spread worldwide, but cover the fact that it was intentional, and that way it would tank the markets to buy up companies, I know.
China's had stuff like this happen before.
They're inept, they're incompetent, and you know.
adam crigler
And they don't want the world to know.
tim pool
I think it's fair to point out governments are incompetent in many different ways.
So it's just, in all likelihood, we can speculate all day, but I don't like speculating without evidence.
If I look at the polls, and the polls are like, Donald Trump goes up non-stop, and the economy's doing well, I'll be like, I'm gonna speculate he's gonna win.
If we have no evidence whatsoever on what's going on with this virus, there's literally no reason for me to be like, 5G!
It was planned!
The 5G thing is the weirdest thing to me.
adam crigler
It is weird, yeah.
tim pool
Because, like, the virus has hit, like, 180 countries or whatever, and there's, like, four or five countries that have implemented 5G technology.
adam crigler
Yeah, it makes no sense.
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
Now they're gonna start saying it's, like, it's the Starlink satellites from Elon Musk.
There's always some weird stuff happening.
adam crigler
There's always something.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
tim pool
Alright, but I think we're gonna have to start speeding things up because we are getting inundated with these superchats.
Apologies if we miss you.
adam crigler
But thank you.
Mark G. I appreciate you guys.
tim pool
Mark G says, I was fine with Tim Pool after until he went back until he went after Big Anus.
Let us plebs enjoy our licorice flavoring in artisan fashion.
unidentified
Never!
No!
tim pool
We will hunt you down.
We will take the licorice from your cold dead hands.
Terrible.
There's gonna be like people shoveling licorice into like incinerators.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And just like a woman falls screaming.
Let's see, all right.
Warren, thanks for becoming a member.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
S-Head says, you're definitely providing an essential service.
I don't know a single mainstream network covering the news without an obvious agenda at hand.
Also keeps me sane while I'm truck driving for Walmart.
Appreciate it.
adam crigler
Cool.
tim pool
Logan, thanks for becoming a member.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
And I think that is a good point, because my thing is always like, I really don't care if Trump gets reelected.
You know, what am I going to do?
Yeah.
Be an adult.
I don't know anybody.
adam crigler
You're not going to run through the streets screaming no at the top of your lungs?
tim pool
Drop to my knees and go, wow!
adam crigler
I can't believe anybody saw that video.
tim pool
That's insane.
Why would anyone... What's wrong with people to where they act like this is something that matters?
adam crigler
Yeah, there's something that I deal with my issues that are happening.
I go, how do I move forward?
I don't tend to wallow and I don't like that.
I like going, you know what?
This is my problem.
How do I work through it and get past it and forward into like a new space because obviously I don't like where I'm at right now
or like what happened and that's what people need to do they need to look
forward and go how do I if I truly don't like this person how do we make move
forward and like fix what they think is wrong
they don't want to do that they just wanna complain about what is
now but have you ever tried their method for screaming Screaming at the top of my lungs?
unidentified
No.
tim pool
Yeah, so let's say you're trying to get that back disaster revert.
adam crigler
I was thinking, it's like, alright, maybe if I'm skating... Well, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
When you don't get the trick, have you tried, instead of trying to do the trick, just going on your knees and screaming as loud as you can?
unidentified
Maybe that will actually help you get the trick, right?
adam crigler
I mean, no, I'm good.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
I like my work better.
It works for me.
tim pool
I think young people need to learn some kind of sport activity and music, some kind of strategy.
There should be various things you can do with kids.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But one of the most important things is physical activity because, you know, there's cheating in some sports.
There's ways to cheat.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But for the most part, if you're playing baseball and you don't hit the ball, you can't pretend you did.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's a good point.
tim pool
You have to actually hit it.
adam crigler
You gotta hit it.
tim pool
it. Yep. And so if the only way to improve is to actually figure it out but we got so many kids
who grew up never having to do that so they just drop to their knees and scream as loud as they
can. Yeah. But also like what do you think's gonna happen?
adam crigler
This worked when I was a child!
tim pool
It did. I know that's what I'm saying. Do they think Donald Trump is gonna pop out of the sewer
and go and then like throw a rock at him or something?
You're never going to see the guy.
He's never going to impact you.
adam crigler
That's a funny image though.
tim pool
It's funny because activists are posting on Reddit and stuff.
They're like, Joe Biden and Trump have both been, you know, credibly accused of assaulting women.
Who do I vote for?
And there's like an argument, like no one knows.
They're like, don't vote.
No vote for Biden.
Are you nuts Biden?
He's a, you know, assaulter and abuser.
Yeah, but we can't let Trump win.
It's like, what are you kidding?
They're just going up in flames.
adam crigler
I'm just looking forward to that first debate.
I'm going to make some popcorn.
tim pool
Isaac says, Tim, did you see Betty Crowder destroying the pyramid of toilet paper?
Source, louder with Crowder.
No!
I didn't.
lydia smith
Betty's the puppy.
tim pool
Oh, really?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, no.
adam crigler
That's cute.
lydia smith
That is adorable.
I'll have to watch.
tim pool
Let's see.
Rimser says, what are your thoughts on Greg Reese, Owen Schroyer, and the rest of the gang from Infowars?
They present many interesting theories.
Just wanted to get your opinion.
By the way, love your work.
I don't know a lot about him.
I haven't seen a whole lot of the stuff.
I've seen a little bit of Owen Schroyer, but I don't know enough to comment.
I know he is, and I know that he got sexually assaulted in D.C.
It was the Women's March, right?
lydia smith
Yeah, I remember.
tim pool
Yeah, a woman grabbed his junk, and then she got arrested for it.
Yeah, she got in big trouble.
Didn't she get charged?
Convicted?
lydia smith
She did, yeah.
unidentified
Yup.
tim pool
They thought it was funny.
It happened to me.
Yup.
And then he called the cops.
They were like, no, who cares?
I can do what I want.
And the cops arrested her.
And it's like, you play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Warm Susu.
Thanks for coming to member.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
And then we get the big super chat jump, man.
We are getting absolutely inundated with all these super chats.
adam crigler
Yes.
What she said.
lydia smith
You're the best.
tim pool
Psygnosis says, Hey Tim, I am from Denmark.
We shut down very early while our neighbors in Sweden just shut down now.
You should keep an eye on these two countries since they could be test cases for the different strategies.
Yes, Sweden in two weeks is going to be bad.
adam crigler
Yeah, I was watching a video yesterday about, I don't know if it's the Surgeon General or whoever, it's basically the person in charge, and he was like, they're trying to do herd immunity, and it was like, look, there's nothing showing that quarantining everyone works, and this is new, so we're gonna do herd immunity, and if they just shut down, that's new, I didn't know that they actually did shut everybody down.
tim pool
UK tried it initially as well, and then immediately backtracked, like, it's not working, stop!
adam crigler
Maybe this is not a good idea.
tim pool
Yep, yep.
Alright, let's see.
I do not- I am not familiar.
and Lydia of Whiterun. Have you seen Fate Zero Anime? The arguments of celebs
being aspirational is the same argument that Iskender uses against Arturia on
the meaning to be king. I do not, I am not familiar, but yeah I appreciate you know
the anime. Phil Yu says if one law could be changed it should be that all members
of the House and Senate are only paid the national median wage.
If they want a raise, they need to help everyone across the board.
I like that.
I've heard that before.
adam crigler
I do like that.
That's a good saying.
tim pool
The problem is they'll just find ways to enrich themselves.
They will be like, yes, we will.
And then they're like, in two years I am out of here and I'm going to get a job as an inspector for this big company and make a million bucks.
adam crigler
Well then, good.
They shouldn't be in government then.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, but they're gonna- Right?
adam crigler
Wouldn't that be the thing?
tim pool
That means while they're there, this big company's gonna be like, we want you to pass this law that makes it so we can, you know, eat babies.
And then they're gonna be like, you got it!
And then they're gonna get a job once they leave.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
You know?
Sandwich says, the UFO ran out of juice.
Juice it up for us.
unidentified
There you go.
lydia smith
Done and done.
tim pool
Ebrox says why is the UFO not spinning it has been solved mm-hmm Daniel Sotelo says top three bands musical
influences muse
adam crigler
Muse is good, and I don't know what else I gotta go with Led Zeppelin.
That was my first concert ever.
It was in 1998.
It was their reunion tour.
It was awesome.
John Bonham's son played the drums.
tim pool
Cool, wow.
adam crigler
So it was like basically the entire band.
It was awesome.
And let's see, Sublime.
Incubus was a huge influence of mine.
tim pool
I like Muse.
I like Metric.
adam crigler
I like Muse a lot.
I just saw them in Madison Square Garden a couple months back.
Maybe a little more than that, but my goodness.
Yeah.
And Tool and A Perfect Circle, both are really up there as well.
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know.
I listen to a lot of music, but I don't have any favorites, aside from Muse, probably.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Where are we at?
Amber says, Daylight Savings helps farmers and ranchers, the forgotten food producers.
The Civic Nationalist says, I live in a household who despises the President and the Prime Minister.
They don't want to hear about them.
The strong leader derangement syndrome is here.
What's your opinion on civic nationalism?
I'm not super familiar with all of the tenets of what civic nationalism is.
That's just like general nationalism, right?
Like American nationalism?
adam crigler
Yeah, I'm not sure.
tim pool
That's, like, been the default of the country for the entirety of its existence.
adam crigler
I know, right?
tim pool
Yeah, it seems horrible.
adam crigler
So I'm like, AMERICA!
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
Yeah, right?
Well, I don't know.
I love America.
Yeah.
lydia smith
Pros and cons?
tim pool
I don't know what the differentiator is between that and the other forms, because there's, like, economic—like, Steve Bannon talks about economic nationalism.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
And then there's obviously racial nationalism, which is stupid.
At least from an American standpoint, I don't see like, well actually no, I just think it's generally dumb.
I've seen a lot of these countries being part Korean that are ridiculously supremacist.
And it's like, to their detriment.
But they hold onto these animosities from hundreds of years of history that don't pertain to today.
Young people don't care.
adam crigler
Humans need to learn to let go of their pride.
tim pool
Well, yes.
But I always question when people are like, pride is a bad thing.
Because some pride is a good thing.
adam crigler
Yeah, it's a balance.
You can't go full ham on anything, you know?
You gotta find the balance.
tim pool
All right.
Mark says, hi three amigos.
The Nuremberg trials resulted in a grand total of 10.
Yes, only 10 hangings.
I doubt anyone in Beijing or the WHO will face serious consequences for misleading the globe on COVID.
Sad.
I agree.
Cracklin says, doesn't Biden look like one of Jeff Dunham's puppets?
Seriously, Google it or look it up with your Biakugan.
Look it up with your Biakugan.
Very few people understood that reference, but I got it.
Pickle says, Adam, I sent you a tweet about the diversity shoot.
Simon is in New Jersey and a firearms trainer who has helped a lot of people.
I saw Simon liked the tweet.
adam crigler
You did send that to me, and I am going to hit him up.
unidentified
Cool.
adam crigler
I appreciate that.
tim pool
Dustin says, center-leaning right truck driver, dividing my time between work, being a dad to my beautiful six-year-old boy Devin, and finishing up RE3 Remake.
You give me with a healthy balance of different opinions.
Hey, appreciate it.
Student of History says it's hilarious how quickly the velvet glove was removed to reveal the iron fist after Bernie bailed out, no refunds.
So as soon as Bernie dropped out, his press secretary was like, oh, you know what, now I don't gotta say Democratic Socialists anymore.
The difference between Socialist and Democratic Socialists is that the reason, this is exactly what they say.
Democratic Socialists want you to vote for policies that will enact socialism.
And the difference is that regular Socialists want to take it by gunpoint.
unidentified
Ah.
tim pool
So as soon as Bernie's out, she's like, oh, I can finally drop the Democratic part of this.
It's like, ah.
Good to know.
unidentified
I see.
tim pool
That was fast.
adam crigler
Yikes.
tim pool
All right.
Cesa says, I don't always agree with your opinions, but I follow you because I trust that you provide accurate information to the best of your ability.
Thank you.
P.S.
Adam and Lydia are also pretty hecking cool.
You know it.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
Jay says, did you guys watch PewDiePie's Jubilee video on vegans?
It was pretty funny, and I bet Adam would get a kick out of it.
What YouTubers do you guys watch, if any?
None.
adam crigler
None.
tim pool
I do not watch it.
adam crigler
Actually, that's not true.
There's a few game makers that I follow.
I am really big into gaming and I'm actually designing a few games myself and there are a few like Game Makers Workshop and a couple others.
I can't remember the name of what they're called right now, but it's been a while since I've watched them, but I do dig into that sometimes.
tim pool
Couples Therapy says, Thank you for being level-headed and informative.
Your videos keep me informed and entertained while running my greenhouse selling veggie plants.
unidentified
Cool.
adam crigler
Nice.
tim pool
ISK says, On urban wildlife tangent, thoughts and possible prep for rats becoming more aggressive and desperate.
My landlord been making rounds looking for possible entry points and setting up traps.
adam crigler
Yeah, we were talking about it.
tim pool
We're gonna have to negotiate.
Find the leader.
lydia smith
Is this the strategy?
tim pool
Diplomacy first.
Oh, man, no.
We're gonna reap what we have sown.
unidentified
Oh, dude.
tim pool
It's not gonna be good.
Someone's asking if Soybra skates.
adam crigler
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Do I skate?
Totally.
You can see actually some of my videos.
Just type my name.
There's my name right there.
Type it in YouTube and Arbor Skateboards is probably the best.
I used to ride for Bustin Skateboards also, but that was earlier in my skate career, I guess.
I use that term lightly, but yeah, you can check out my stuff.
tim pool
Let us discuss the Rentpocalypse.
adam crigler
Yeah, the rentpocalypse.
tim pool
So we had talked for a bit about how people weren't going to pay rent.
People didn't have money to pay rent.
And when that happens, the next wave of economic destruction would be upon us.
Because while a lot of these lefties don't understand that there's a lot of work that goes into maintaining property, these companies have staff.
They have employees.
They have groundskeepers, electricians.
Yep.
Yeah, yeah.
adam crigler
Whatever.
tim pool
Yep.
Not those people aren't going to get paid.
But the story from the Wall Street Journal is that nearly a third of U.S. apartment renters
didn't pay April rent.
Some tenants will be temporarily protected from eviction by a patchwork of federal and
local laws.
But my understanding is it only lasts for about three months.
adam crigler
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
And what do you think is going to happen when...
So there was this big story, BuzzFeed covered it, where a building sent out an email to
everybody saying, hey, like, here's what you can do if you need benefits.
Just so you know, rent is still due.
We won't evict you because of the law, but you can be evicted later.
And so the company forgot.
They accidentally CC'd everybody on it, I guess.
adam crigler
Oh, they weren't supposed to?
tim pool
I mean, maybe they didn't care, but now everyone had access to everyone else's email, and so they organized a rent strike on the entire company.
And the reason that's messed up is like, well, if you do that, you slap your landlord in the face, what do you think is going to happen in three months?
Do you think they're going to be like, well, now that this is all over, keep paying your rent and we're all good?
Or do you think they're going to be like, Get out.
adam crigler
They're going to get out.
They're going to tell them to get out.
It's not surprising.
tim pool
I'd be willing to bet if you had an email from your landlord and you emailed back saying, I lost my job at the end of the month.
I hope you understand there's something I can do.
They'd be like, we'll figure something out.
adam crigler
Yeah.
I mean, that's basically what the email said, right?
If you need help, here's the way to get some help, but you got to pay rent.
tim pool
You still got to pay your rent and we can't evict you now, but we can evict you later.
adam crigler
And we will.
It's not really a surprise.
It's not surprising.
tim pool
Check this out.
So the Wall Street Journal writes, Nearly a third of U.S.
apartment renters didn't pay any of their April rent during the first week of the month, according to new data to be released Wednesday by the National Multifamily Housing Council and a consortium of real estate data providers.
The numbers are the first hard look at how many Americans are struggling to make rent during the coronavirus pandemic.
The data comes in the first of weekly reports on unpaid rent from NMHC, a landlord trade group.
But I gotta stop real quick because why are we assuming it was all people unable to pay?
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
How many of them were like, ooh, now's my chance?
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
How do we know?
tim pool
We saw that story from BuzzFeed where they were like, we refuse to pay.
adam crigler
I blame Cheesecake Factory.
tim pool
Cheesecake Factory?
adam crigler
Yeah, because they blasted it out.
We are not going to pay come April 1st.
It's like, what?
Why are you even announcing that?
tim pool
They said they couldn't pay.
adam crigler
Okay, sure.
tim pool
And now what's AMC, my co-out of business?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
What are you going to do with all that property and all these malls?
adam crigler
This is what I've been saying for a long time.
The housing market is going to use it.
They're going to become homes.
They have big, cute, like... Movie theaters?
No, no, well, and malls.
You said malls.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
Movie theaters, maybe, but think about what a mall is.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
adam crigler
It's got all these, like, stores with, like, nice and lit up sunroofs throughout the whole middle.
So it's, like, gardens in the middle, and then people are... it's gonna be apartments.
It doesn't make sense for everyone goes online to... Yeah, malls are collapsing.
...to get everything.
Yeah, exactly.
Small-time businesses are just... they're getting shut down, especially now.
It's like...
Half of them are gonna go under because of this.
tim pool
It's interesting because I've actually been to a dying mall.
This was during Ferguson.
Yeah.
There was like two towns over to the west of Ferguson was a mall that had I think like 90 empty storefronts.
Wow.
And it was partly because of the rioting in Ferguson.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
So when like one of the first rioting broke out, they locked the whole place down with like police because they were worried about looting and stuff.
And people naturally got freaked out and didn't want to show up.
What ends up happening then is you have a lot of these stores that operate at a loss, because these big companies... I don't know if there's any specific I can specifically name, but... You know, I'll give you a Starbucks example.
Starbucks will make a ton of money in one location of a city, and they'll be losing money in another location, but they want the marketing and the presence.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
So the successful store subsidizes the weaker stores.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
As it happens in malls, you'll end up with, you know, lids or something.
adam crigler
And Starbucks, and GameStops.
tim pool
And they know that this one mall isn't that lucrative, but they want the brand recognition of the people who come and go.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
So when one store leaves, then there's less incentive for people to go there even, and then for other businesses to even set up.
Because the benefit of the mall is that there's foot traffic.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
So if high-profile stores start leaving for any reason, they don't pay their rent.
AMC, for instance.
If AMC goes out of business, these movie theaters, even Cheesecake Factory.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
How many people have been like, oh, let's go to Cheesecake Factory.
Where is it?
At the mall.
Hey, great.
We'll go.
We'll put our names in, wait 15, 20 minutes, walk around the mall and buy stuff.
Now that Cheesecake Factory is gone, people are gonna be like, let's go somewhere else.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Now the mall is gonna, this is the cascade that destroys the mall.
And that's why it's not just about, you know, rent for people and where they live.
Cause this is a story specifically talking about apartment rentals.
adam crigler
Yeah, true.
tim pool
But businesses.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
All rent.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
It's impacting across the board, for sure.
tim pool
But then you have these activists, which the Wall Street Journal actually shows.
I wonder if they're trying to make this, you know, what is this?
They say, Protesters in Los Angeles last week called for rent forgiveness due to the surge in coronavirus-related job losses.
Why not cell phone forgiveness?
adam crigler
Yeah, rent forgiveness so they don't have to actually pay for it.
Like, oh, we get this month free?
Is that what they're asking for?
Yeah.
tim pool
What about cable TV forgiveness?
What's the difference between... I get it, you need a place to live, you can't be homeless.
adam crigler
Yeah, food and shelter.
tim pool
But you're paying for some kind of service or product or something.
You're paying to use this space.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Why should we forgive this and nothing else?
This is one of the biggest problems with a lot of these lefty activists, especially minimum wage increases.
It's like, why $15?
Why not $20?
Why not $25?
Why not $30?
Yeah.
And then you actually had, I think Rashida Tlaib said, OK, then we'll do $20.
And after they got, you know, they voted on $15, she then said $20 and then she kept, it just keeps going up.
It never ends.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
Yeah.
So I'm curious as to what the economic impact is going to be of all this.
The Wall Street Journal says that only 69% of tenants paid any of their rent between April 1st and the 5th, compared with 81 in the first week of March and 82 in April 2019.
The count includes renters who only made partial payments.
Many renters who haven't yet paid may still pay later this month.
adam crigler
Wow, that's actually really interesting.
That's not that much of a difference.
tim pool
Right.
adam crigler
If only 82% paid their rent in April last year, there was no pandemic last year.
So that's not that big of a drop.
tim pool
It's a 13% difference.
adam crigler
It's not like, you know, going in, it's like, oh, 100% of people pay the rent, you know, eventually, maybe not like right on time, but they pay the rent.
And that's clearly not true.
Only 82% paid last year.
Wow, that's an interesting number.
tim pool
The Wall Street Journal reports the federal government has agreed to let apartment building owners with government-backed mortgages defer their mortgage payments, and the Federal Reserve also said it would buy up bonds tied to certain multifamily loans.
Those measures, however, only cover part of the total rental market and don't address loans held by banks without a governmental guarantee.
Less than one-third of U.S.
rental units are federally financed and covered by protections in last month's stimulus package, according to an estimate from the Urban Institute, a Washington-based think tank.
adam crigler
That's not a lot.
tim pool
No, you know what I think it really is, man?
I think there's a decent amount of people who are like, now's my chance.
I'm not gonna pay rent.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
And they're justifying it.
And, look, you have protests in Los Angeles.
Rent forgiveness.
These people have no idea what they're talking about.
They're basically just demanding something for free.
adam crigler
Feels like it, yeah.
tim pool
I get it.
You know, we don't want people to be homeless.
But, you're able-bodied.
And, like, these people aren't, look, these protesters look young.
Like, you can get a job, man.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
So one of the biggest problems with the Participation Trophy era is that none of these people want to work at McDonald's.
I worked at a fast food restaurant.
It was my first job.
I didn't care.
It was a job.
adam crigler
Mine was Blockbuster.
tim pool
Blockbuster Video!
adam crigler
I worked at Blockbuster.
tim pool
And so what's the big deal?
How much did they pay?
Did they pay minimum wage?
adam crigler
I don't even remember.
It was years ago.
tim pool
I'm sure they didn't pay you 18 or something.
I'm sure they paid you the bare minimum.
adam crigler
Yeah, definitely.
tim pool
There are so many young people, or younger people today, that they're like, I'm not gonna work at McDonald's.
Okay, then you'll be broke.
But then what they do is they demand free rent, or free product, or government pay for things.
You know, it's kind of strange to me, because I was watching the history of the fast food burger in America, and there was a period in this country where it wasn't demeaning to work low-skilled jobs.
It was like people were like, I got a job.
What do you do?
I'm part of a, you know, food prep line.
It's like, oh, cool.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And you just flip burgers.
And then something happened where we started getting snootier and snootier.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's a good point.
tim pool
I remember growing up and, you know, people would say to me, like, you don't want to end up flipping burgers, do you?
adam crigler
And I'm like, it's like, will I be happy?
unidentified
Right.
adam crigler
It's like, yeah.
Oh, well, then what's the big deal?
tim pool
Yup.
That's what my dad used to say.
He's like, what do you want to be when you grow up?
And then I'd be like, I don't know.
He's like, wrong answer.
Happy.
adam crigler
Yup.
tim pool
That's all that matters.
adam crigler
I like that.
tim pool
Yup.
I remember I was, uh, I was riding with my dad when I was a little kid and I saw a homeless guy riding a bike.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Presumably homeless, like carrying herself around.
And I said, I was like a little kid.
I said, that's sad.
And he's like, what's sad?
And I was like, Oh, the homeless guy.
And he goes, why is that sad?
He could be the happiest guy in the world for all you know.
And I was like, and the guy didn't look sad.
adam crigler
That's a good perspective right there.
tim pool
Yeah, so, you know, the funny thing is about these people who feel like they're above everything, like they deserve free rent because, you know, housing is a human right or whatever.
It's like, why should the immigrants who come to this country, you know, they work fast food, why should they have to do that and not get free rent, but you think you're deserving of the free rent?
I mean, you encourage them to come here and stay there, and then what?
They have to wash your dishes and then you get to live for free?
How does that make sense?
adam crigler
It doesn't.
tim pool
No, it doesn't.
adam crigler
No.
tim pool
The other thing too is like, what if you were really good at flipping burgers?
adam crigler
Yeah, right?
tim pool
Yeah.
So I'll tell you my, we will wrap up on this one final thought.
Some business advice for everybody.
I may have said this on the show.
I don't know if I did, but let me ask you guys a question.
Did I ever ask?
Well, I'll just ask you anyway.
Adam, if you get a call, Right now.
From McDonald's.
And they said, Adam Kregler?
And you were like, yeah, that's me.
And they'd be like, we want you to work the cashier at our downtown Philly location starting tomorrow at 10am.
What do you say?
adam crigler
How much?
tim pool
Boom.
adam crigler
How much are you paying me?
tim pool
Exactly.
Right answer.
adam crigler
Right?
Because I love my job right now.
Right?
I get to talk to these awesome people and you too.
This is great.
tim pool
But you know what most people say?
adam crigler
What?
tim pool
No.
adam crigler
No.
I can't be seeing it.
tim pool
McDonald's?
So people often ask me, like, how do you be successful and all that?
And I ask them this question.
If McDonald's called you right now and said we want you to work the cashier, What would you say?
They're like, no.
I'm like, why would you say no?
Because I don't want to do that.
I'm like, it's the wrong answer.
The right answer is how much?
adam crigler
Like, what if they paid you $20,000?
tim pool
A day.
adam crigler
A day.
You'd be like, all right, maybe I could work that register.
tim pool
Right.
And so this is how people, you know, end up being bad at business.
adam crigler
True.
tim pool
It's like, you don't even know what they're going to offer you.
You don't even know how long it was going to be for.
And they're like, well, I just assumed, boom, there it is.
You assumed.
adam crigler
You gotta know.
You gotta ask questions.
You gotta do the research.
tim pool
So here's what I tell people, you know, when I used to get, when I get hit for jobs, they're like, would you be willing to do this?
I say, um, I don't know.
Give me a thousand dollars.
And when they're like, whoa, a thousand dollars, that's too much money.
I'll be like, okay.
I didn't want to do it anyway.
You know?
So it's like, whatever.
adam crigler
But at least now I know.
tim pool
Yeah, or they might be like, OK, $1,000.
And you're like, wow, really?
unidentified
$1,000?
adam crigler
Maybe I should answer her a little more.
tim pool
Right, exactly.
I had a friend who got a job offer that paid too little.
And they were like, I'm going to say no.
I don't think I'm going to take it.
And I was like, why say no?
I was like, would you do the job for $90,000 a year?
And they were like, nah.
And I was like, how about $120,000?
And they went, fuck.
Well, 120.
Yeah.
I'm like, there you go.
Send the email.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
Say that's what you want.
And then they're like, but they're not going to offer it to me.
And I'm like, congratulations.
Then you don't get a job you didn't want in the first place.
adam crigler
Boom.
tim pool
And sure enough, they sent the email and the company emailed back.
That's too much.
We appreciate it.
Have a nice day.
adam crigler
Yep.
lydia smith
There you go.
tim pool
Problem solved.
You were going to say no.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Why even bother?
adam crigler
But imagine if they said yes.
tim pool
Right.
Anyway, to wrap this back up, I think we have a problem with weird urban elitism.
And I wonder if, like, these people saying rent forgiveness, can we, like, put them on a farm?
Like, I mean, like, to, like, going on a retreat.
Not, like, what was going to farm?
That was a reference to something, wasn't it?
adam crigler
I don't know.
lydia smith
Disciplinary camp.
tim pool
Yeah, it was a reference to something specific about sending people to a farm.
No, I mean, like, quite literally, like, showing them how to grow food and how to do basic stuff.
adam crigler
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Not by force.
That wasn't my point.
adam crigler
I was just thinking, like, man, the farmers are gonna be like, get these people out of here.
tim pool
Dude, for real.
adam crigler
You know what I mean?
tim pool
You know what's funny, though?
adam crigler
These people... Come on.
They don't know how to work.
You gotta work on a farm.
tim pool
Oh, totally!
adam crigler
It's serious work.
tim pool
But think about these activists, how they're like, all about immigrants and illegal immigrants.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
It's like, you wanna be really honest.
Illegal immigrants work so much harder than these people.
adam crigler
They really do.
tim pool
It was funny, like, I can't remember who tweeted this, they were like, we will gladly exchange the socialists for the undocumented workers who work really hard.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, we're good, so hey, it's your call.
adam crigler
Yeah, because all those people know what it's like to have nothing.
Right.
They had no comfortable bubble ever.
They see Americans in their comfortable bubble and they go, I will do anything to have that.
And they do.
tim pool
And then you have some overweight people demanding they get free rent.
It's like, I know people who would scrape scum off of the floor with a toothbrush For a minimum wage in this country because it's so much like minimum wage in this country is a lot of money relative to a lot of other places.
adam crigler
Very true.
tim pool
And there are people who are like, wow, I would get to do that and make all this money.
It's amazing.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
Do you think it's because of higher education?
Because I'm wondering if the bar isn't being artificially set high.
tim pool
I think it's partly.
I think it's these people are being told by their parents that they're going to be the president.
lydia smith
Well, the same parents who are telling them that they can do whatever they want are also telling them that they have to go to college.
So I'm wondering if there's overlap.
adam crigler
You can do anything, but go get in debt.
lydia smith
Yeah, get in debt first.
This'll work great.
adam crigler
That's smart.
tim pool
I think it's really funny when I see people I know who have ridiculous debt, like hundreds of thousands in debt, and they're trying to advocate for why the government should forgive all of it.
And I'm like, isn't it strange that the people who think it's the right thing to do are the ones who are saddled with debt, and the people who don't have the debt think it's the wrong thing to do?
It's almost like you dug yourself into a hole, made mistakes, and then were like, Somebody else should pay for it.
adam crigler
Debt forgiveness now!
Holding up the sign.
lydia smith
Seriously.
unidentified
Yep.
adam crigler
It's the same thing.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's exactly the same.
tim pool
Yeah.
Rent forgiveness.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
You know, cities are going to collapse.
This can't continue.
The cost of rent goes up.
The value of labor goes down.
And then how do you maintain these buildings?
I mean, look at San Francisco.
The place is a nightmare.
adam crigler
It really is.
tim pool
There's like poop everywhere.
They have a poop department.
lydia smith
They do.
tim pool
That's incredible.
unidentified
It's true.
tim pool
It's a real thing.
Look at you laughing at the misfortune of this dystopian nightmare.
adam crigler
Think about what San Fran is, too.
tim pool
It's a real thing. I know look at you laughing at the misfortune of this dystopian nightmare
Think about what San Fran is too. It's like I mean, this is this is in LA these these rent forgiveness people
You know what man?
If somebody builds something, and they use their labor, you know, and they work really hard for it, why do these people think they deserve it for free?
Just, you know what?
Maybe they don't think they deserve it, maybe they just, they found an easy out.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Put on a mask, put on gloves, threaten people, and you'll get it for free.
adam crigler
I can't pay rent, or I can, and I just, everyone else isn't doing it, so I'm gonna, I'm gonna just go full in, and make signs, and just, you know, be an activist against this, just because I don't want to pay rent.
tim pool
You know, why not go all the way?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Why stop at like, I shouldn't have to pay rent?
How about the government should give me personally a million bucks?
Let's go all the way.
I should be king of the planet.
Everyone give me everything.
It's interesting because if you're asking for free stuff because you think you deserve it, and look, I think there's an argument to be made about fighting for certain rights, but arguing that you have a right to someone else's property which is supported and maintained by their labor and you shouldn't contribute to it is a really weird thing, but why stop there?
adam crigler
Yeah, that's true.
tim pool
Why not?
adam crigler
How about... What's the difference?
tim pool
How about we own the building?
Why rent?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
Just hire.
tim pool
Exactly.
Aim higher.
Aim for the moon, man.
Because if you miss, you'll hit the stars.
Or aim for the stars.
What is it saying?
lydia smith
Shoot for the moon.
tim pool
Shoot for the moon.
Because if you miss, you'll land among the stars.
adam crigler
There you go.
tim pool
Put that rent forgiveness sign down.
adam crigler
But that's like actually flinging yourself into the moon.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
Sounds dangerous.
tim pool
Why not just hold up a sign saying, give me ownership of the building?
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Why stop there?
Make me mayor.
Supreme Chancellor of the city.
Why even stop there?
But in a more serious nature, why literally stop with only rent?
Why don't they demand free utilities?
Free utilities.
lydia smith
Free school.
tim pool
Free access.
Free maintenance.
The people who built this should be forced to maintain the building for free.
I'm not gonna give them anything.
adam crigler
It's like, well, I'll keep paying Con Ed because I want my electricity to stay on because they'll shut it off, but I want rent free.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
It's like, well, there's a lot of people that are just like, you know, my grandfather was one of those.
He had like three buildings.
He busted his butt off to try to, you know, fix everything that was wrong.
There's always things that were going wrong.
And if, uh, you know, his whole life depended on getting rent from these people.
tim pool
And you've got to maintain that building for 30 years.
Yeah.
35 years, whatever, you know, however long, and maybe longer.
These people come in for a year.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
And you don't really, it's really messed up in Chicago.
There's a problem where, it's probably not unique to Chicago, but when people get evicted, they take like Hershey's syrup and squeeze it all throughout the cracks of wherever they can.
You can't get it out.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
It's like a deep cleanser.
You've got to pull up tile floors and everything.
So you have these people.
adam crigler
Sometimes it's not Hershey's chocolate.
tim pool
That's true.
adam crigler
Sometimes it's excrement.
tim pool
Man, and you see what the result is of this mentality of, I get it for free.
Like, have you ever been to Crown Heights in Brooklyn?
Yeah, there's a bunch of boarded up buildings just like... You know what's really crazy about New York?
Have you ever played a video game where there's some building you can go in?
You know what I'm talking about, like GTA for instance.
Most buildings are just closed, but a few of them you can go in.
adam crigler
Very little.
More like division would make more sense.
There's things that are open you can explore, but most are boarded up.
tim pool
Like parts of New York.
adam crigler
Just like New York, yeah.
tim pool
It's crazy.
When I lived in Crown Heights, it's like I walk down this busy street, and I see all of these buildings boarded up, and I'm like, it's almost like being in a video game where you're not supposed to go in the building because they didn't design it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Why are all these buildings just destroyed?
And it's because there's no one there to pay to maintain it.
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
And that's what happens when you get these people who want to invert the flow of like value.
Yeah.
It's got to start from somewhere.
adam crigler
Well, there was already over the past, maybe like, I guess the past 10 years, people leaving cities, people going out into the smaller rural areas and getting huge houses for less
More their mortgage would be less than what they were paying rent wise and they're like look at my property like
I have Their gardening now, and it's like there's a lot of that
going around so cities are emptying out already with the internet and now this
I'm looking at West Virginia, man. Yeah, I mean the sky link
What's that?
What is Skylink?
tim pool
Skylink?
adam crigler
What's it called?
Elon Musk?
lydia smith
Starlink.
adam crigler
Starlink.
Thank you.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
tim pool
You know what, man?
adam crigler
It's going to be everywhere.
Internet's going to be everywhere.
That's amazing.
tim pool
Not even that.
I mean, there are parts of West Virginia that have gigabit internet, like a lot of the places there.
And so now I'm thinking like, man, you could have this massive property.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
You can run around, wherever you want, do whatever you want.
No one's gonna get in your way.
Listen, you know what's crazy to me about the cities?
You live in New York.
Tell me, when was the last time you talked to your neighbor?
adam crigler
I can't.
tim pool
Nah, you didn't.
adam crigler
I'm trying to think.
You know, there was one time that I was living in the Upper East Side where I was friends with my upstairs neighbor.
But that was it.
I lived in New York for 16 years and I never knew my neighbors.
Never.
tim pool
I lived in the building next to you and then moved a block away.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And we knew each other.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
We knew nobody else.
adam crigler
But we knew each other before that though.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
I was looking for an apartment and I'm like, oh hey, this building opened up and you recommended it.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
I talked about this before, Luke Rutkowski has a video on his YouTube channel where, it's from like 2012, where he goes in the subway and he's like, look at all these millions of people and not one of them talks to each other.
Let's talk to them.
It's like a cool video.
adam crigler
That is cool.
tim pool
Why bother living in the city crammed in this tiny box for a ridiculous amount of money and really high taxes to be around people you don't want to talk to?
adam crigler
Well, you're not thinking about what they do after work.
Sure, you see them in the subway, but they're either going to work or going to the place where they do congregate with people.
You know, when you go to a bar in the middle of nowhere, there's like five people.
They go there all the time.
They all know each other.
There's nothing new.
tim pool
Yeah, I get it.
adam crigler
In New York, you go to a bar, every single day you can go to that same bar and you'll see no one of the same.
tim pool
Well, probably.
Maybe just me, but I see these videos from quarantine, you know, people, and they're like, look, we built a pillow fort in our living room.
It's like, yes, on my property, we built a fort.
Like a real one.
With wood.
And then we climbed up in it.
Or we dug a trench.
You can do so much on a massive property.
You can farm, you can grow stuff, you can build stuff.
That's why I've been slowly moving away from cities.
What's the point?
I mean, I get it, work, right?
But now with the internet, especially with what we do, what's the incentive to be anywhere near one of these monstrosities with really high taxes, smog, garbage air, people you don't want to talk to?
adam crigler
I mean, you made mention the other day that the air is cleaner because of this, and I didn't really pay attention to it, but I was out today skating and I was just taking some deep breaths and I was just like, Wow, the air is really cleaner.
I can tell the difference.
And it was nice.
tim pool
Yeah, we're really close to Philly.
adam crigler
But imagine way out in the middle of nowhere, West Virginia.
You know, I don't know.
I can't name of a big city in West Virginia, but it's not Philadelphia.
It's not New York.
You know, it's not Chicago.
It's like these big industrial places we've lived in.
tim pool
I'm sure there's a lot of people who are listening who live in more rural areas.
And at this point, it probably makes more sense than ever.
You get a big property with a low mortgage, tons of open space, the dog can run around and do whatever it wants.
You know, you got rabbits doing what rabbits do.
It wasn't like a city, it's just concrete everywhere.
We have turkeys over here though.
lydia smith
We do, yeah.
tim pool
They walk around, rafters.
lydia smith
We have bunnies, yeah.
adam crigler
Let's jump over to the super chats.
What should we do for the next one?
tim pool
Should we talk about how to be a real man?
Let's let's let's jump over to the super chat. Yeah word and then what's what should we do for the next one?
Should we do how to be a real man? Should we talk about how to be a real man? Yeah, I think that's yeah
We have a bunch of other ones, but I think we'll get to being a real man as the next one
Let's try and figure out where the super chats are It's always the most fun part.
Oh, here we go.
That was not so difficult.
Nice.
Let's see.
Where are we now?
adam crigler
Where are we, Tim?
tim pool
There's the Rats.
adam crigler
I think, uh, let's just... We're somewhere.
tim pool
We'll just start here.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
Spaghetti Joe Rogan's Powerful Meatball says, If the general consensus is that government on both sides is corrupt and inefficient, wouldn't it be logical to be a libertarian?
I see that as concise.
What are you guys' and ladies' thoughts?
adam crigler
I consider myself a libertarian.
I know you do.
tim pool
But it's about big L libertarian in the United States, which is like more right libertarianism versus typical liberty minded.
So there's a bunch of funny things about American big L libertarians.
There's apparently some guy at the debate pulled his pants off on stage.
They had an argument about whether or not they should be allowed to sell hard drugs to kids.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's ridiculous.
Right.
So there needs to be some sort of structure in place for the people that are not logical.
tim pool
But this is classical liberal and social liberal.
That's the center left and center right positions.
So I'd be willing to bet that a lot of people who listen are classical liberals, and that overlaps a bit with, like, center-right conservative.
And then center-left, which people try to claim Bernie is, he's not, social liberal, is essentially the same thing.
But the difference is social liberals tend to think the government can play a role in solving certain social issues either through, like, Okay.
welfare programs or through social justice type initiatives.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
So the issue there for me is that these things that used to make sense or that they make
sense have been completely co-opted by authoritarian leftists.
Like social justice, a very good thing.
Like I mentioned, yeah, static shock.
Right, right, right.
Trying to build bridges, connect people, help us understand one another is real social justice.
What they're doing with these movies is not.
It's totally just ruining it.
adam crigler
It's just swinging the pendulum back to the other, on the other side.
tim pool
But it's not even, it's not, it's just, it's just con artistry.
It's authoritarianism.
adam crigler
Yeah, you're right.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So they're going to be, you know, they're going to be like, if you, if you're a thin, then you're an oppressor.
Like, what are you talking about?
It's not solving anything for anybody.
It's not social justice.
adam crigler
Right, yeah.
tim pool
You know, so now social justice doesn't even mean anything anymore.
But that was what it was.
So basically, that's the reason why I always say I'm a liberal, I'm not a libertarian.
Like, I'm on the libertarian spectrum, leading to the left, but it's basically like, I do not think you should be allowed to sell drugs to children.
adam crigler
A liberaltarian?
tim pool
Well, liberal is in the spectrum, in the libertarian spectrum, but it leans slightly more towards authority.
adam crigler
I know, I was just smashing it together.
You didn't see what I did there?
I did a thing.
lydia smith
What was it Sargon calls it?
tim pool
Liberalist.
lydia smith
Liberalist, yeah.
So it's kind of like liberalitarian.
adam crigler
Oh, there we go.
Liberalist.
tim pool
Classical liberal is the live and let live, and it does overlap a lot with what we used to think liberals were in like the 90s, but they're not there anymore.
So now like liberal or weird intersectional socialists, like it doesn't mean anything anymore.
Unless they're like voting for Biden, but those people have no principles anyway.
So I don't know.
I don't know what they're doing.
Where were we?
East Shore says, Tim, how large of a landslide are you predicting?
Also, I work for a nursing home as an EVS manager.
My staff and I are working hard for our residents, but it's a struggle since I lost six out of 11 staff last week due to COVID-19.
Man, sorry to hear.
Yeah, that sucks.
I hate predicting anything.
In 2018, I was like, man, the Republicans are gonna sweep, they're gonna have a super majority, and then the Democrats won the House.
And I was like, wow, talk about being wrong.
I was way off.
So I have no idea.
I joked earlier on Twitter that Trump already won the general election.
Yeah, that was funny.
Because, like, Biden?
Come on, man.
But hey, they laughed at Trump.
They were all laughing, going like, Trump will never win, can you believe it?
Hillary Clinton had a 99% chance, according to the New York Times.
adam crigler
Wow, really?
unidentified
99%?
tim pool
Yeah, some ridiculously high.
No, I think it was like 93% or like 89% or something.
Yeah.
And then they had this meter that went like back and forth, and it said Hillary Clinton's chances to win 99% or whatever, and it was like hitting the end.
And then throughout the night it slowly started moving over, and then I remember when it got to 50% and I was like sitting there like, what is happening?
I was at the Sputnik headquarters, the Russian-funded news outlet, with Cassandra Fairbanks, who at the time was a big Trump supporter.
And she was like, everyone in the office was like a Clinton supporter, and they were all very proud of themselves, laughing, like, oh, Trump's gonna lose.
And all of a sudden, I'm sitting there like, I don't care, man.
Like, you know, people need to grow up.
And then the meters started shifting for Trump.
Cassandra's like, laughing in tears, like, I can't believe this is happening.
And I was laughing as I was like, it's just the funniest thing ever.
And then when it flipped over and it was like, Trump is basically the favorite to win.
It was the funniest thing ever.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
It was like comeuppance for these really elitists who thought they were smarter and better than everybody who deserved everything.
And then they just got, you know, kicked straight in the nuts.
And it was like, schadenfreude or however you say it.
adam crigler
So, I mean, people are laughing at Biden.
So you're saying you think there's still a chance?
tim pool
I think people would be very, very unwise to underestimate Joe Biden.
Look, he gets on TV and he mumbles and he's like, and people are like, ah, what an idiot, he's so dumb.
And then when he wins, they're going to be like, I can't believe he won.
No one could believe it when Trump won for all these reasons.
adam crigler
That's true.
unidentified
I agree.
tim pool
That's where I'm at.
Biden could win.
He's polling above Trump.
I don't believe it.
I don't care what they say.
But I also don't really consider myself to have much skin in the game.
I mean, as much as like the weird woke...
adam crigler
That's where I'm at.
tim pool
Well, you know what the weird woke lefties will say to you?
adam crigler
What?
tim pool
They're gonna be like, that's cause you're a white male.
You don't understand that marginalized people.
It's like, blah, blah, blah, blah.
I get it, dude.
We're going to, we're going to keep moving on.
Nothing is going to change that dramatically.
Grow up, solve your own problems.
And if Trump wins or doesn't win reelection, I'm going to be like, we'll have to navigate these waters.
But I think the one thing that will absolutely cause Trump to lose, hubris.
All these Trump supporters laughing, thinking they won.
adam crigler
I don't think that's happening, because he's been rallying and going around.
tim pool
And voter turnout is ridiculously up.
It's literally a 100% increase in some areas.
But Trump's the incumbent, so in the primary it's not super important to go out and vote.
adam crigler
Okay, that's good.
tim pool
But he's doubling the numbers of Obama and Bush.
Yeah.
So his fans really want to come out and vote for him.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
I see it.
So that's the thing.
If they get complacent and come November they're like, eh, Trump's going to win.
I don't need to go out and vote.
Then Trump loses.
unidentified
That's a good point.
tim pool
I don't see that happening though.
adam crigler
I don't see that.
That's not their attitude.
tim pool
No, I think the attitude of a lot of these people is like, I want to prove it.
Like, there was a story of a dude whose buddy put a Trump sign in his yard as a joke, to like, because he didn't like Trump.
adam crigler
Oh, okay.
tim pool
And so he like snuck in there one day and put a Trump sign in his yard.
The city came to the guy's house and said, remove the sign.
And he was like, what sign?
adam crigler
Oh, what?
tim pool
Wait, what?
And his buddy was like, I put it there.
adam crigler
And then he was like... But the city told them to take it down?
tim pool
Because there's like a sign law.
He was like, I'm not taking it down.
And they were like, you have to under the law.
And he was like, you can't tell me what to do.
So then he put up a ton of Trump flags all over his yard.
And he said, he told the press, he's like, I don't even like the guy, but you try and tell me what to do.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
That's the thing I think about a lot of Trump's base is that a lot of them feel like the media has been kicking them so hard and insulting them.
And that these elitists like the Biden corporate Democrats have been such just like demeaning snide.
adam crigler
It's these ego battles, man.
tim pool
Well, look, man, Michael Moore said it best.
He said, in 2016, these people, the downtrodden, Joe Blow, Bob Blow, Billy Blow, all the blows, are going to go down to the voting booth and give the biggest F-you in the history of the world to the establishments who sold them out and everything and elect Donald Trump.
Now, the rest of the quote is wrong.
He goes, and it'll feel good.
For a day, maybe a week, or a month.
And then just like the people of England who voted for Brexit, they will regret it.
Now here's the funny thing, the people of Brexit, people of Britain did not regret it.
They voted three years later overwhelmingly for Brexit again.
adam crigler
Yeah, they did.
tim pool
Fairly confident Donald Trump is going to landslide.
But to answer your question, yeah, let's read some more.
adam crigler
Way to bring it around.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Johnny Deerfist says, Rusty Cage is the Rat King.
Glad to hear it.
Psygnosis says, Socialism equals Rope.
Democratic Socialism equals Gang Rope.
No, you know what I like?
There's a meme where it's like socialism and it shows someone putting people up against a wall and then it says Democratic Socialism and they put party hats and like confetti on everybody.
adam crigler
It's the same photo.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Same photo.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Spiderman says, why couldn't senators vote for the stimulus bill that were quarantined?
It's 2020.
We have video chat now.
Enjoy your content.
Been watching for a year.
I mean, we'll see the digitization of politics soon.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's interesting.
Someone was ragging on Trump the other day about why shouldn't we vote in the mail?
Why can't we vote in the mail?
And he's like, well, because it could be Fraudulence yeah easily swayed and they're like well didn't you vote for in the mail for the Florida primary and he's like Yeah, I'm the president.
tim pool
It's like it's not even oh That's that's the most obvious thing.
adam crigler
I know it's like well.
Yeah, he's gonna fly down to Florida I mean good, but then they'd complain that he just flew down to Florida just exactly it's like oh But the other thing, too, is this is what the media does.
tim pool
They don't tell people the difference between absentee ballots, which are vote-by-mail, and there's a certification process, and completely opening up every single vote to the same process.
I feel like we begrudgingly accept we have absentee ballots to do our best to make sure people have the opportunity to vote.
But we want a secure voting system, so if we just mail out all the ballots, what happens if someone steals mine?
And that'll happen.
That's a good point.
adam crigler
And changes your vote.
tim pool
You know what, man?
I'm sorry to these people who want to keep changing the rules, but it seems like the only argument they have is change the rules.
It doesn't fly for me.
It's like, listen, we all know what the rules are.
If you want to vote, you go vote.
If you don't want to vote, well, then don't vote.
And people don't vote, well, that's too bad.
I know where I go vote, and I walk in, and I know what the rules are, and there are places that you don't even need... It doesn't make sense, the voter ID thing.
Why is it if you wanna go to the movies, you need an ID?
And if you wanna vote, you don't?
It makes literally no sense.
lydia smith
Somehow that's discriminatory?
I don't know.
tim pool
It's mind baffling.
There's no real reason.
No idea.
All right, let's see.
Ryan North says, I got your hay.
Yo, listen what I say.
Oh, all right.
Wolf and Coyote says, hey Tim, keep up the good work.
What is your opinion of graphene technology?
Heard they are finally starting to use it for batteries now that the production costs have gone way down.
I am excited for graphene.
We'll see what happens.
lydia smith
Graphene's cool.
adam crigler
And they can make it out of anything.
It's great.
tim pool
Gio says, why hasn't anyone tried to sell guns to the primate gangs yet?
Well, because they don't have money.
Perhaps they could give you a nut of some sort, or maybe a shiny rock.
David says, democratic socialism was always a sham.
Hitler was elected.
You could say he was a democratic nationalist socialist workers party leader.
Yeah, exactly.
Yu says, how does Soy Jesus have less than 500 subs on YouTube?
because you guys didn't subscribe to Soy Jesus YouTube.
adam crigler
You know what?
Come on, y'all.
Someone, you know, every so often someone calls me a Chad and it's like the last part, the driven part,
it's kind of, it's hazy because I'm driven to make myself comfortable and to make myself happy.
And I don't, like the amount of subs that I have on my channel,
it has nothing to do with that.
There's no correlation.
So I don't push my channel very strongly.
You know, some people have told me I should more.
I just, I love my life.
I love where I'm at.
I love what I do and I'm happy.
So, I think that's really it.
But thank you.
tim pool
What he's saying is you guys have to subscribe to his channel.
lydia smith
Yes, that's what I'm getting.
adam crigler
I mean, sure, subscribe and I don't, you know, I don't post that much.
So, but, you know, I would like to post some skate videos, some music videos.
tim pool
I just, I just did a scratch track for a song we're working on today.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
So here's some good news for all y'all looking for work.
I am looking for an animator.
Yes, I need an animator.
adam crigler
It's true, he needs an animator.
tim pool
So I have a bunch of songs I'm working on.
We just did the first scratch for a song about war and conflict.
adam crigler
It's a good song.
tim pool
So if you're somebody who wants to help animate a very, like, brutal, maybe brutal, serious Serious song.
I'm looking for someone to animate.
So yeah, hit me up.
Yeah, but like gritty sketchy You know murder death explosions, but not like over-the-top explosions more political than anything It's a good political military revolution style.
adam crigler
Well, a bunch of people are now asking what my Where I'm at you can just type my name in and YouTube that's actually my my YouTube name So that's it's pretty easy to find me And you can follow us on Instagram and Twitter.
And Twitter and Instagram, sure.
tim pool
And also hit that like button if you haven't.
adam crigler
And share!
tim pool
Let's read some more of these Super Chats.
adam crigler
If you want to.
tim pool
Clint Flippo says, just want to say I have been really enjoying the show.
It is way more chill than other social political podcasts and sometimes, especially now, people need that.
Stay safe, everyone.
Will do.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
John, thanks for the Super Chat.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
Interesting.
The original idea behind malls was exactly what Adam just described.
unidentified
Wow.
tim pool
They became what they are due to incentives for developers that essentially made them ideal tax havens.
adam crigler
Interesting. Wow. Let's bring it back.
tim pool
Fearless Soldier says, question for Adam, what are your thoughts on PETA?
unidentified
Uh, PETA. I...
adam crigler
I like some of the things they do, and I dislike some of the things they do.
tim pool
Didn't they, like, steal dogs?
adam crigler
Yeah, they're not the best company, but they pick and choose their battles, which I don't like.
You know, they like to save face a lot and... Play politics instead of actually... They do play politics.
Yeah, exactly.
I'm not about that.
I'm very firm in what I believe, and I don't see them doing that.
They're like, eh, we're not going to touch that.
We're going to go gung-ho on this.
tim pool
I don't have any specific examples, but... Well, it wasn't like the president diabetic, taking insulin, which was pig insulin.
There was a story about that a while ago.
adam crigler
Oh, really?
tim pool
I don't know if it's true.
I don't want to impugn the honor of these activists, but...
What you'll find with a lot of these nonprofits, having been somebody who's, like, I've personally worked for a lot of them, oh yeah, man, the playing politics is always about saving face.
adam crigler
Seriously, it is.
tim pool
You'll have, like, a politically inconvenient, you know, spectacle, and they're gonna be like, well, you know, actually, the perfect example, Time's Up.
Okay.
Tara Reid accuses Joe Biden.
She goes to the Time's Up organization, which is basically the Me Too, and they're like, well, because Joe Biden's running for president, we can't actually help you.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
The accusations are only good.
Oh, but Brett Kavanaugh!
Well... Yeah, you see how the game is played.
I don't like any of these groups.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
Mm-hmm.
Same thing.
tim pool
Kevin Kevin says, Hola.
Si, senor.
Hold your wallet.
Ghost Crusaders says, Inspire Brands, Arby's, Buffalo, Wild Wings, and Sonic are planning to pay half of the rent for May, June, July, and August.
We'll see how it goes.
Bruce Matthews, thanks for that hefty super chat.
adam crigler
Yeah, I saw that.
Thank you.
Appreciate you.
tim pool
And let's see, where are we now?
We just got a big jump.
Buick says, most property management companies are waiving late fees and offering rent deferral plans over multiple months.
These rent payments numbers for April are as real as China's reporting.
Interesting.
It's funny that we hear a lot that we're the first generation to have it worse than our parents.
for 20, 30-ish years and things getting more and more expensive or kids being raised on luxury and easy life and
thinking That should be the starting point when their when their
parents started lower We it's funny that we hear a lot that
We like we're the first generation of it worse than our parents. I've heard that so much during occupy Wall Street
lydia smith
Yeah, I don't I don't know if I agree with that So I was listening to Gary Vaynerchuk and his parents came over from Hungary when it was under... I believe they came over from some communist country and he was talking about how they never ever ever complained.
And he was talking about how people need a little bit of perspective because we live in the best time we've ever had.
adam crigler
Exactly.
That's what we were saying earlier about the people coming here, they see what we've got.
They're like, wow, America.
tim pool
Look at America.
adam crigler
And then the people here are like, what?
This is normal.
I'm bored.
I'm bored now with my life.
And it's like, what?
Look how good you have it.
You have no idea.
lydia smith
They need some perspective.
adam crigler
Yes, they do.
tim pool
All right, we're gonna have to speed up once again.
So if we don't get your super chats, I do apologize.
But I do the best I can.
Sorry.
7killer says, Hey, Tim, I do remodeling for apartments.
And there is so much that goes into it.
People who say landlord isn't a job doesn't understand how much has to be done to maintain buildings.
Our last job was 5k plus.
Definitely anybody who owns a home.
unidentified
Yeah, I was like, dude, I you do not expensive.
tim pool
But it's not just that, dealing with neighbors, dealing with taxes, dealing with infrastructure stuff.
lydia smith
All the laws, yeah.
tim pool
Oh man.
Can I do this?
Can I do that?
I can't do this?
Why can't I do this?
You know what?
Adam Kregler for president, says Joe Black.
Oh man, there's an endorsement.
This person's name is Epstein Didn't Kill Himself, saying, I'm still expecting to see y'all assemble a paranormal investigation team.
Call it Beanie Gang.
lydia smith
Let's do it.
tim pool
And we need to get a dog.
adam crigler
I would so be down.
tim pool
The Beanie Mysteries.
adam crigler
Speaking of my YouTube channel, I actually go deep into this old,
like, 1906 mortar base.
And I like, it's pitch black.
It was like Iron Gate, but these rangers opened it.
I was actually doing a photoshoot and they were like taking pictures of us and they left it open as they left and I'm like I'm going in there and I went deep into this base and I was recording and people have commented on it but I swear a ghost laughs at me and then you can hear in the white noise as I pass through this doorway a woman screaming.
It's crazy.
I did not hear it when I was there.
And if I did, I would not have gone as deep as I have gone.
I went deep into that place.
It was creepy.
But I'd love to do that more.
Anyway, go.
tim pool
Serendipitous Lee says, what are your top couple muse songs?
I love Uprising and Thought Contagion.
Love the show too.
Been watching since the first night.
Such a great trinity.
I adore hearing the Holy Ghost speak.
She has the most soothing voice.
Oh, thanks. Top Muse songs. Oh, man. There are too many that are good. They're all good.
Just all of them. Every single one. Muscle Museum, I really, really like. City of Delusion.
The obvious classics like Hysteria, Knights of Cydonia, they're all good. Thought Contagion,
Their newer stuff.
adam crigler
Thought Contagion's good.
tim pool
Pressure.
adam crigler
Dig down.
tim pool
Dig down.
Uh, Time is Running Out.
Falling Away With You.
adam crigler
There's so many good muse songs.
tim pool
I know.
I can play so many.
Muse is so good.
I can play so many on the guitar.
But, uh, I really like City of Delusion, uh, right now.
And, um, Muscle Museum is definitely always one of my go-tos.
adam crigler
Word.
tim pool
I love Muscle Museum.
On the guitar, I love playing Hysteria.
adam crigler
Yeah, you're good at it too.
tim pool
I love playing the bass riff.
Alright, let's see what we got here.
Church FTC says, Yo Tim, I'm an animator, where should I message you?
If you're an animator, and this is the challenge because I'm going to get 50 million emails and I apologize, I'll try to get to who I can, but you can email me at tim at timcast.com.
And I'm looking for an animator, so make sure you send me some videos, examples of your work.
And hopefully, you know, I can't get to everybody, obviously, because I always get like a thousand emails whenever I put a shoutout.
But we've got some music being recorded.
And I'm going to go full into this song I'm recording.
It's about... Should I say what it's about, Basil?
adam crigler
Yeah, why not?
tim pool
It's basically a song that describes the cycle of revolution where the first verse is basically the dictator who thinks he's justified executing rebels, which leads to, you know, after he kills these, like, activists, their kid is hiding under the bed and then the kid grows up and becomes the rebel who overthrows the government.
And then the last segment is that rebel now, that kid is an adult and he puts on the dictator's hat And then goes and kills activists and there's a kid hiding under the bed and the cycle just keeps churning of people thinking they're justified in overthrowing because their way of life is always better.
unidentified
I love it.
Yep.
adam crigler
It's a good song.
lydia smith
It's super cool.
adam crigler
It's good.
Gets in my head.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, hopefully we'll get it done.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
Andrew Simmons says, I find this show and your other content as a representation of what is good debate.
Extremism is the true evil of society.
Tim and Adam have their views, but don't try to force them on others.
This is how society should work.
I think it's fascinating.
I just kind of like sit here and talk about what I think, and I'm like, hey man, you do you.
adam crigler
Exactly.
I'm going to do me.
tim pool
With that being said, let's talk about what it means to be a real tough man.
adam crigler
That's a good segue.
tim pool
Yeah, this one, I don't know, you want to take it away?
adam crigler
Yeah, sure.
The title here, it's fake toughness versus the real thing.
People who are really tough rarely feel the need to show it.
Let's get into that.
An observation.
The strongest men I know, guys who deadlift over 500 pounds, run 4 minute for the mile, run a discus hundreds of feet, or run ultra marathons, tend to be caring, considerate, and generally calm dudes.
The guys I know who want to be strong and tough, but who are not, tend to be loud, defensive, and overly proud.
Seems pretty accurate, right?
So it says, uh, toughness isn't walking around with your chest puffed out trying to intimidate.
It's making the right decision under uncertainty and distress.
tim pool
So let me interject.
adam crigler
Yeah, go ahead.
tim pool
You know the reset the clock hashtag?
The meme?
unidentified
No, I don't.
tim pool
I'm going straight for the throat on this one.
adam crigler
What is it?
unidentified
What is it?
adam crigler
I don't know.
tim pool
So it's a meme that represents how many days it's been since a male feminist assaulted a woman.
adam crigler
Oh, okay.
tim pool
And this actually, I'm going right for it, it plays right into this, that I'm thinking about a regular guy who is not interested in these, like, screechy, woke feminist types.
He's calm, he's rational, he knows he's good, he's confident, he can run a four minute mile, he can throw a discus hundreds of feet, and he's not interested in playing these weird games pandering to some woman who's screeching in his face.
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
With the male feminists!
adam crigler
That's it.
tim pool
They're the chest-puffing white knights.
adam crigler
They need to prove something.
They gotta show what they've got.
tim pool
So there's the quote.
Toughness isn't walking around with your chest puffed out, trying to intimidate.
It's making the right decision under uncertainty and distress.
Strength isn't yelling and shouting.
It's having the inner resources to navigate storms.
adam crigler
I like that a lot.
tim pool
Look at this.
They actually break it down.
I love that.
More than ever, it seems we are in desperate need of new masculinity.
Just imagine if we started to raise our sons with the following core values.
I'm going to read through them first before I describe them.
Wisdom, real toughness, vulnerability, humility, authentic self-security.
I love that.
Wow.
Wisdom, allowing yourself to be open to and shaped by experience, not being scared of
change and not being scared to change.
adam crigler
Wonderful.
tim pool
Real toughness, composure, clear-headedness, and stability in the midst of uncertainty, not to be confused with machismo acts of strength.
Now hold on, weren't we just told by the American psychologist or whatever?
lydia smith
The APA.
tim pool
APA, that stoicism is like a mental disorder or something?
lydia smith
Toxic masculinity.
tim pool
Toxic masculinity.
Being calm and clear-headed, rational, is considered toxic.
adam crigler
Now, hold on.
Now, the writer actually was talking about guys, but I don't even know if this is necessarily about men in general, because this can apply to women also.
unidentified
Right.
adam crigler
You know, it's like, you can be a tough human, you know, and a weak human, and these still apply, you know, to across the board.
Totally.
Don't you think?
lydia smith
Yeah, absolutely.
tim pool
Look at this, real vulnerability.
Putting yourself out there, all of it, even and perhaps especially the imperfections and flaws that make you human.
I totally respect that.
That's exactly why I think people have been saying good things about me.
Because I'll be like, oh man, I was totally wrong about 2018, I got no excuse for that.
What am I supposed to say?
Am I supposed to pretend like I'm invincible?
I'm always right?
That's ridiculous.
adam crigler
Or ignore it.
tim pool
How many people do?
You know what really bugs me?
There are some progressives on YouTube I talk to all the time, And I've reached out to one with like, Hey man, I think you got this one wrong.
And they refuse to accept it, refuse to admit it.
Just ignore it.
I absolutely, like I get messages and they're like, Hey Tim, I think you're wrong about this.
I'll be like, Oh, was I?
And I'll go in immediately and be like, Hey, update correction.
I may have been wrong about this.
I really don't see the issue with accepting that you're not perfect.
adam crigler
I don't get it either.
tim pool
But it's the fake tough guys who think they're always right.
Humility, which brings me to humility.
adam crigler
Humility, yep, exactly.
tim pool
Knowing what you don't know, which for almost all of us is the vast majority of everything.
Exactly!
Understanding that your view of the world is merely one of billions, being curious instead of narrow, open instead of closed.
You know what the problem is?
All of these things have been described as toxic masculinity.
adam crigler
All of them, you're right.
It's crazy.
tim pool
Who was the guy here who was the doctor?
Sean Smith.
Yeah, great dude.
adam crigler
That was a good episode.
tim pool
He was talking about the importance of stoicism and being calm and clear-headed.
Like if you're driving in your car with your wife and your kids and you crash and you've got to get out and fix the car, you have to be calm.
You can't break down.
You've got to make sure that you can be a good leader so that your family is also not freaking out and they're calm.
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
But imagine what they want for you.
Like, when they say it's toxic masculinity, they want the husband and the wife to start crying and doing nothing.
The men must emote more.
lydia smith
Then he would just be sympathizing with his wife, I guess.
I guess that's what they're going for.
tim pool
Pander.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Pander to the woman.
Tell her whatever she wants to hear.
unidentified
Oh, dude.
lydia smith
That's not a good strategy.
tim pool
It doesn't sound appealing to be around any person like that, man or woman.
adam crigler
No.
tim pool
I think the big issue here actually is we get to the root of this and the real issue is don't be plastic
Hmm like be a real person. Yeah. Yeah, just be chill. Yeah, don't pretend don't make things up
Say what you say would you say what you mean mean what you say and some people show that side of themselves and
adam crigler
Very quickly revert to plastic. Yeah, it's challenging.
Yeah, it is. It's like you know, there's people get triggered or
Uncomfortable or embarrassed and instantly, you know try to you know, squash it instead of like, you know
Really exploring it really It's like, what is going through my brain right now?
What is happening?
You know, asking that about themselves.
tim pool
You gotta learn to let it go.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
Yeah.
Maybe not even just let it go, but understand it.
You got to learn to understand it.
You know, if something's happening, you should delve into that more, you know, and try to figure out what's going on.
tim pool
Well, check this out.
This is an interesting, this is a report, I guess, from the American Council of Science and Health.
Testosterone may make men more honest.
This is really interesting.
They say testosterone does a lot of different things for men.
It masculinizes the body, boosts the sex drive, and contributes to hair loss.
Now researchers think it may also make men more honest.
In recent years, there has been an interest in determining how our hormones affect our economic behavior, such as gambling and financial risk-taking.
The financial industry is dominated by men, and if testosterone influences decision-making, this potentially has a profound implication for the national economy.
Paradoxically, testosterone promotes pro-social behaviors in some circumstances, and anti-social behaviors in others.
The reasons for this aren't entirely clear, but it may involve a man's desire to increase his social status.
Previous research shows that testosterone may actually make a man a fairer negotiator.
To investigate the phenomena further, a team of researchers administered testosterone gels to 124 college-age male volunteers and placebo gels to 118.
They were then given a die and told to roll it.
And whatever number came up was the amount of money they were to receive for participating in the experiment.
Because they rolled the die in private, they could cheat by reporting a higher value than they actually rolled.
The authors hypothesized that the testosterone group would be more honest.
The results showed that both groups cheated, but the placebo group cheated more, which was consistent with the team's hypothesis.
unidentified
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
tim pool
Back to the male feminists.
Low testosterone guys.
Lying to women to try and get laid.
Why am I not surprised?
lydia smith
That's really interesting.
tim pool
It's a weird thing.
adam crigler
Fake toughness.
No testosterone.
tim pool
Lying and cheating.
Behind the scenes.
These people are made for each other.
But what can a guy do to, I guess, boost their testosterone if they are a soy boy?
lydia smith
You gotta work out.
tim pool
Not a soy bro.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Gotta work out.
Exercise-driven experience.
lydia smith
Find role models that you wanna be like.
tim pool
You know, I think about the Try Guys, the BuzzFeed dudes who took the testosterone test and they were like 30% of average testosterone, some ridiculously low number.
adam crigler
Super low.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, I mean, there's a lot of data here that I'm not gonna, you know, get into, but they show, like, the results of what people were rolling, and I guess they determined that people were cheating because the proportions made no sense based on, like, so, if you roll the dice a number of times, you should expect a certain percentage of results, but they were skewing high, meaning people were giving higher numbers so they can get paid more, you know what I mean?
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
They say, "...the fact that two different studies arrived at the same conclusion, that testosterone appears to make men more honest, suggests the effect is real.
However, the failure of the current study, which was far larger than the previous study, to find its own significant result further suggests the testosterone effect on honesty is rather small."
Well, in the long run, I think it's kind of obvious?
You know, if that was the correlation, I'm not entirely sure, but it's obvious that Guys who are sure of themselves, who are confident, have no reason to lie.
adam crigler
Right.
They know what they're doing, they know what their path is, they're comfortable.
It's like, if you're comfortable, when you lie, you have to remember that and it changes.
It adds an uncomfortableness to whatever environment you're in.
If you are telling the truth, it's really simple.
It's really easy.
tim pool
But I also wonder if it has something to do with how much you care, right?
There's kind of a catch-22 where when, I don't know in what, whatever, let me start over.
When talking about young guys who are trying to hook up with women, they say that desperate guys never stand a chance, right?
Because they come on too strong, they're very obviously desperate.
But then you end up with a dude who's never gotten laid, becoming more and more increasingly desperate and awkward, whereas the dudes who get laid very easily become less desperate and they don't care.
So now you have a bunch of guys who are aloof and confident, like, you know, whatever I want, whenever I want, I don't care.
And so now it's more attractive that they're aloof and kind of on their own, whereas the desperate guys increasingly, you know, struggle with it.
So it's kind of like, I guess the point I'm trying to make is dudes who are confident and tough and high testosterone don't need to try as hard.
It's just, it's coming to them naturally, which also makes them more confident and more successful.
It's kind of like there's two paths.
And if you fall into the depreciative path, if you're going negative, It's going to be worse until you can course correct and get out of that pitfall.
adam crigler
Yeah, if you ever can.
tim pool
If you ever can.
You might end up as one of these predatory male feminists pretending to actually care about stupid causes that no one actually cares about because you're a liar just desperately trying to get laid.
adam crigler
Yeah.
lydia smith
It's almost like a feedback loop.
If you can't do it, you're going to feel like a failure.
tim pool
If you feel like a failure, you'll never be appealing and then you'll never Yeah, exactly and then you'll find out that you you ended up as a male feminist and Like who would want to be one of these people in a room full of people that they're they're making fun of you And you're just like yeah Like it's it's if these guys who are sitting in rooms and the women are like men are awful and the male feminist goes Aren't they?
Why would you sit there and take that?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Defend yourself.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
You think they respect you when you sit there and do that?
adam crigler
I don't get it.
tim pool
It's not honest.
adam crigler
Nope, it's not.
It's like, do you not even enjoy living?
Do you not enjoy yourself?
lydia smith
That's something you can't change.
adam crigler
Self-flagellation.
Some people don't.
I'm not trying to make light on that, but it's sad.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, what can you say, man?
Well, how about we hop over to the last few Super Chats?
We'll start to wrap this up.
For those that have been hanging out, thanks so much.
Make sure you subscribe at the like button and follow us at TimCast, at AdamKrigler on Instagram and Twitter and YouTube and whatever.
And we're going to jump through the last few Super Chats here.
North Strider says, what if Biden chooses Tulsi as his VP?
I'm not voting for Biden.
Well, that's interesting.
I'm not trying to be mean or anything.
adam crigler
He picks Tulsi?
tim pool
I'm not confident that Biden is long for this world.
adam crigler
Where did you hear you said he was going to pick Kamala Harris?
lydia smith
Yeah, I heard something about Ms.
Harris being mulled.
adam crigler
Was that like official?
Just a rumor.
lydia smith
Just a rumor.
tim pool
I gotta be honest, at this point, I wouldn't vote for him no matter what.
lydia smith
Yeah, how can you in good conscience?
adam crigler
I gotta hear clear sentences from someone I'm gonna vote for.
I gotta understand what you're saying.
That's a pretty sure line I won't cross.
If I can't understand what you're saying, and no one around me can either, so it's not me, it's you, it's like, alright dude, I'm not voting for you.
tim pool
But the idea is he's not long for this world.
adam crigler
I get that.
tim pool
So his VP will be present.
adam crigler
I know, exactly.
unidentified
Right, right, right.
tim pool
I wouldn't do it, I'm not going near it.
If I was invited, I'd love to do it.
unidentified
Help!
tim pool
Is it not working?
I mean, most people have praised it.
We did address that.
Yeah, hit me up.
ChubbyChard says, here in Maine we have ranked choice voting.
Help!
Is it not working?
I mean, most people have praised it.
ChurchFDC says, yo Tim, I'm an animator.
We did address that.
unidentified
Yeah, hit me up.
tim pool
Let's see, where are we at?
Yogi Fish says, Occupy is still alive.
Look forward to you interviewing Matthew Tai.
Keep occupying the media, Tim.
Sure.
Filmilosophy says, Drinking bourbon.
Love you guys.
No idea what you're streaming, but I'm glad it's on.
Heard something about simps and just want you to keep doing what you're doing.
There you go.
There's the word for it.
Mr. Phil says, Hey Tim, where did you get the UFO and how much was it?
I saw an ad on Instagram for it and I don't remember.
It took like two months to get here.
Google search UFO levitating lamp and you should be able to find it.
Rebecca Ann says, I think if you replaced toughness with leadership in that article, it would still be accurate.
Absolutely.
And it could apply to men or women.
adam crigler
Interesting.
Yeah.
tim pool
JKT says, nice to catch you guys live up playing some old Spyro the Dragon, Ripto's Rage with my kid.
Cool.
Her being out of school has been the best thing ever.
Glad to hear it.
That sounds awesome.
Brian Levin thanks for the super chat.
Dan Roland says, your main channel video from Monday is your Magnus Opus so far.
I've linked it in several fake news video comment sections.
Appreciate it.
I don't remember which one that was, but I'll go look in a second.
unidentified
Nice.
tim pool
Marty McGill says, stay safe up there.
Not much virus in North GA.
Cheers.
J Man says, feminism slash communism only brings government into your home.
Well, I don't like that, but we will wrap up there so one last time hit the like button if you haven't subscribe Notification bell yeah, we we put the full unlisted so these videos the raw Podcasts will be unlisted, but you can find them on all podcast platforms iTunes and Spotify and all that good stuff.
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adam crigler
And Sour Patch Lids.
tim pool
And Sour Patch Lids.
lydia smith
On Twitter, yep, correct.
tim pool
And that's a Y in Lids.
L-Y-D-S.
We'll get a thing for you.
unidentified
Yeah, we'll get a thing.
tim pool
See everybody tomorrow.
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