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April 11, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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TimcastIRL - You May Have To "Show Your Papers" After The Pandemic With New "Immunity Cards"
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adam crigler
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unidentified
What's going on everybody?
tim pool
Welcome to the show.
This is TimCastIRL Podcast, and I am Tim Poole, joined by... Adam Krigler.
adam crigler
What up, everybody?
How's it going?
tim pool
And... Here's Lydia.
Lydia, the ghost lady of Whiterun.
adam crigler
The ghost.
tim pool
Welcome to the show.
We've got a bunch of stuff to talk about tonight, and as always, it is the apocalypse.
Things are getting worse.
It's getting worse every day.
They're apparently banning seeds.
I talked about this a little earlier, but yeah.
adam crigler
Yeah, this is messed up.
tim pool
It's been popping up all over the place.
Michigan did it, Connecticut did it.
You can't grow your own food.
adam crigler
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
tim pool
They're arresting, they're trying to arrest people who are just like walking around minding their own business.
I don't know what's going on, but I'll tell you what, man.
I've never been more conspiratorial than I am today, after seeing all these videos and these stories.
Like, remember when we were talking about the potential for war, World War III?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
They arrested that guy paddleboating in the water?
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
It feels like something else is going on.
adam crigler
I agree.
Like... Something else must be going on.
tim pool
Yeah, it'd be cool if it really was the aliens coming in April.
adam crigler
Anytime now then, huh?
tim pool
Anytime!
It's April!
lydia smith
Let's go!
tim pool
So, yeah, let's see it happen.
So then, mathematically, we're looking at a decent probability for the 15th.
But, you know, we can see it extend down to the end of the month.
Yeah, I have no idea what's going on other than just taking them at their word.
We have a pandemic, people are dying, and Simple Solution tends to be the correct one.
And it's possible that, you know, the videos we're seeing are just overzealous law enforcement who just want to grab people, and it's insane.
adam crigler
Seems pretty accurate as far as what I've seen.
I mean, I know good cops and I know bad cops and they both exist.
And, you know, you see these guys that are tackling people or there's one person sitting on a bench and it's like, I'm giving you a ticket.
tim pool
But how do we get to the point now where they're talking about these immunity cards?
You've got to get the government.
The government will test your antibodies.
adam crigler
That's nuts.
tim pool
And then give you a card certifying your immunity.
adam crigler
That's crazy.
tim pool
Or you'll need to get a vaccine.
This is literally... Yes, let me line up for the government to get injected with the medication approved by them.
adam crigler
Yeah, you made a joke about it.
You were like, well, what would you do if the government forced this upon you?
tim pool
I wasn't making a joke.
I was just... It's actual speculation about what's going on.
adam crigler
It was a speculation, but I mean... Look where we are though.
unidentified
Right?
adam crigler
Yeah.
unidentified
Yikes.
tim pool
So I will say, it's a little preemptive, but don't be surprised, China's done this.
So we got a couple stories, we got this one, we've got Neuralink stories, they've got this new story about how they're actually coding brain activity into text.
And then there's also like another story we can, we want to talk to about this, uh, in this realm of downloading your brain into a chip.
Cause we were talking about, was it altered carbon?
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
That'd be so cool.
You got like a thing in your brain you can download yourself and then like put it somewhere else.
adam crigler
Yeah, it would be cool.
I mean, there is some drawbacks as far as like, well, they call them meths in the, in the show.
unidentified
Meths?
adam crigler
That's, that's the name of the, like the ultra elites that are basically immortal now because they're so rich.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
adam crigler
They just keep getting new bodies.
They live in the sky, yeah.
tim pool
And then we got another crazy story.
Apparently there's a dude who's, he has like one of the biggest, it's a private guy who has one of the biggest air forces in the world.
Because somehow he's ended up buying up all of these old, like these retired fighter jets.
adam crigler
It's cool.
tim pool
Like what are they, F-8 Hornets?
adam crigler
I don't know.
tim pool
Yeah, and he's got a bunch of them.
adam crigler
It's great.
tim pool
It's a private air force.
adam crigler
I don't know why he needs that many, but...
tim pool
And when you're rich, you're rich.
Good point.
I was looking at properties just around the country, because I like to look at houses and stuff, just like I'm on board.
I'll be browsing Zillow.
And I'm looking at Maine, and this state makes no sense to me.
You go on Zillow, you type in Maine, and all these houses are like $3 million.
And I'm sitting here thinking, who can afford all this?
Who's going to buy a house in Maine?
It's empty.
No one's there.
There's no town.
And then I decided to look it up and I'm like, how many millionaires are there?
Oh, there's like, what was like 80 something thousand?
lydia smith
Yeah, there's a lot.
adam crigler
A lot of rich people.
80,000 live in Maine?
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
Just like in general.
adam crigler
Oh, in general.
tim pool
So if you're, if you're, if you're somebody who's, yeah, there's like a million plus people with more than $10 million.
Yeah, so that's the kind of person who's gonna be like, I'm gonna buy a $3,000,000 house in Maine I'll never go to.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
That's crazy to me.
adam crigler
It's my vacation home.
tim pool
But hey man, that's where people bug out to, I guess.
Although I hear they have black flies up there.
Like nasty little things that bite you.
adam crigler
Yeah, those are all up and down the eastern seaboard.
tim pool
West Virginia seems like where it's at.
adam crigler
I like West Virginia.
Yeah.
tim pool
Especially after playing Fallout 76.
Not a big fan of the game.
adam crigler
But the music is great.
tim pool
Yeah, the music is great.
adam crigler
And they sing about West Virginia.
tim pool
Yeah, Country Road, man.
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adam crigler
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tim pool
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adam crigler
Yeah, share it for us.
Appreciate that, whenever you do.
tim pool
Alright, so let's talk about the apocalypse here.
Well, the apocalypse is probably the wrong term for it.
adam crigler
Right, because it's really not.
tim pool
The dystopian nightmare.
That's more accurate.
I'm actually kind of shocked that it's been, what, like a month and a half, and we've gone from, there is this thing that's happening around the world, to literally, don't leave your homes or we'll arrest you, don't go for a run or we'll arrest you, and you may have to get a card to prove the government has tested your antibodies.
That's how crazy this is.
Check out this video.
adam crigler
That's scary, yo.
tim pool
So this dude, John Roberson, tweeted, Check out this video.
I'm gonna play this for you.
It's actually kind of funny, and I'll have to describe it for those that are just listening.
is an individual doing their daily run and no one anywhere near 20 foot distancing suggestion,
not law suggestion, a cop wants to enforce. This person doesn't want to be enforced upon.
Check out this video, I'm gonna play this for you. It's actually kind of funny,
and I'll have to describe it for those that are just listening. It is a beach,
presumably in California. It's playing the Pink Panther music and there's a dude just jogging.
Very lightly jogging.
Here comes the cop, running full speed.
Gotta get him!
Can't have someone out there, you know, exercising.
adam crigler
The cop's like, stop.
unidentified
Stop.
tim pool
Yeah, the dude's ignoring him.
unidentified
Uh, nope.
No way.
tim pool
Here comes the ninja music.
Now the jogger just goes full sprint, and he's gone.
Cop can't catch him.
adam crigler
Yeah, look, he's gone.
lydia smith
Cop's like, I quit.
tim pool
He's looking back, too.
He knows it.
unidentified
Screw you, dude.
adam crigler
And he's gone.
tim pool
You know what's funny, though?
adam crigler
What?
tim pool
There's something funny about a cop trying to chase down a guy who was already running.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Because it's like this dude who's jogging clearly goes for runs every day.
He's going to be really fit.
adam crigler
He's probably already stretched.
tim pool
Yep.
adam crigler
He's in his stride already.
He's rocking it.
tim pool
Think about how insane things have gotten to where a dude's just going for a jog on the beach and the cop's trying to get him.
adam crigler
Yeah, that doesn't make any sense to me.
tim pool
What was he doing wrong?
adam crigler
Something to do with the water?
Something protecting the coast?
Is that what you were alluding to?
tim pool
No, I was going to say simple solution.
Cops want to enforce.
They want to tell you what to do, I guess.
I almost don't believe it.
Maybe it's because we're seeing these videos from heavy liberal urban areas.
Because I feel like conservative areas, like the sheriff, local cops, are much less likely to do this.
Well, they're not as authoritarian. I don't think well if you take a look at like the sanctuary the two a sanctuaries
that popped Up in West Virginia, okay?
Yeah, when when I'm not in West Virginia in Virginia when Virginia straight-up said we're gonna ban all these weapons
All these local cops were like nope. He's like you're not gonna get me to do it
I swore an oath to defend the constitution, not violate it.
adam crigler
That's awesome.
tim pool
But what do you think happens in New York?
The cops walk right up to the young kid, slam him up against the wall and frisk him in violation of the fourth and second amendments.
Yeah, they don't care in these areas.
So that's why I'm like, look at this.
This person would have tweeted, Governor Whitmer has banned us from growing our own food.
This is effing insane.
adam crigler
Yeah.
What is up with this?
Why can't people buy seeds?
Why not?
unidentified
Maybe they want civil war or some kind of revolution.
adam crigler
What is wrong with people growing their own food?
tim pool
I don't know.
adam crigler
You'd think that in this time, that would be a good idea.
Hey, supplement your food by growing some of your own.
Done.
What's wrong with that?
tim pool
This is why a lot of people have been saying it can't be about a virus.
Can it?
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
That's weird.
The whole seed thing doesn't make sense to me.
tim pool
Maybe it's because they're trying to force consumerism in the supply chain.
adam crigler
Good point.
tim pool
They're trying to say straight up, no, you must buy vegetables from Jewelosco or, you know.
adam crigler
The seeds aren't going to yield, you know, vegetables for a couple months at least.
It's not like people are still going to need to buy vegetables over the next, like, course, you know, couple months, whatever.
tim pool
I can't give you a reason why this makes sense.
adam crigler
They're stupid.
I can't either.
I don't understand it.
tim pool
Government bureaucracy makes no sense because they're all dumb.
Look, if I was going to take the less conspiratorial approach, it's that these bureaucracies and these government officials can't plan for everything.
So in their minds, they're thinking, these stores shouldn't be selling things like board games.
We should just make it so they have to sell food.
Seeds aren't food.
Technically.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So then this happens, which is why command economies and authoritarianism doesn't work.
Because now you got to answer the question of why can't I go some green beans in my backyard?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Like, well, only essential items is food essential.
It is, but that's not food.
Not yet.
I don't know.
But when you see these videos, it's really easy to see why people get off.
They go full conspiratorial, especially when you end up with, Immunity cards for Americans are being discussed.
adam crigler
Yeah, this is frightening.
tim pool
The proposal already being implemented by German researchers is under consideration in the United Kingdom and Italy.
And they do it in China.
You gotta get a phone code.
They put it on your phone and they scan it to make sure that you're approved.
And if you leave the city, you lose your approval.
Is this the world you wanna live in?
adam crigler
Nope.
tim pool
Yeah, this is freaky, man.
adam crigler
Definitely not.
tim pool
So, this is what we see from Daily Mail.
The terrifying reports that tell the truth about how lockdown ends.
There will be no return to normal.
America's top experts explain how the nation faces mass digital surveillance, testing on
an unimaginable scale, or recurring social distancing.
Are they trying to get Donald Trump re-elected?
It feels like it.
Because Trump just said, he gave a press conference where he said he's got a very difficult decision to make and he's worried he'll make the wrong choice.
Open up the economy or keep it locked down.
There's not going to be mass testing and he wants to get everything open as soon as possible.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah, you're going to find most Americans saying like, yes, please.
adam crigler
Yeah, let's do it.
tim pool
When you do stuff like this and you send out your people saying like, well, hold on, Trump's wrong.
We want to make you all get tested by the government and vaccinated, mandatory vaccination, and then we'll give you your papers.
People are going to be like, no, I'll go with the other guy.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
I have to wonder.
It's like, is that what they want?
adam crigler
What, is this like the Democrats doing this or something?
tim pool
No, I don't- whoever is doing it.
I'm not saying the Democrats.
adam crigler
Oh, okay.
tim pool
I mean, I wouldn't be surprised, yes, because they're ragging on Trump no matter what he does.
So when Trump says, let's open it up, they're like, ah!
But the end result is what?
It's people saying, give me the guy who's telling me he's going to get things back to normal.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
It's crazy how fast all this kind of started to break down.
Coronavirus immunity cards.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's crazy.
tim pool
Would determine who is allowed to re-enter the public.
There you go.
You can never come back into public unless you get your shot.
lydia smith
Seriously.
adam crigler
That's scary.
That's a scary premise.
tim pool
Check this out.
adam crigler
You're not supposed to have that much control over me.
I don't like it.
tim pool
Well, how about this story?
Should we save this one and do it?
No, we'll just talk about it.
adam crigler
No, let's do it.
unidentified
Please.
tim pool
This guy in India was on coronavirus quarantine, escaped naked, and then bit a woman on the neck, killing her.
Maybe that's it.
adam crigler
Zombies.
tim pool
Yeah.
Now here's what they say.
He was mentally ill.
He had a history of mental illness.
And he was returning from Sri Lanka.
What did they say?
They say, according to local news, the crazed man fled his house naked and bit an 80-year-old woman on the neck.
Indian cops said the woman was admitted to a hospital on Friday but died today after her condition worsened.
A police spokesperson told NDTV the accused Manny Kendon has a history of mental illness for which he was treated in the Madurai back in 2010.
On Friday, he disrobed himself and ran from his home.
He tripped and fell 100 meters from his home and targeted the elderly woman who was sitting outside her house.
According to the man's family, ever since Manny Kendon returned from Sri Lanka, he was stressed about losses in his business suffered there and his mental illness deteriorated.
So, you know what I was thinking when I was reading this?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
How would the news media react to a zombie apocalypse?
Because we don't see that in movies.
Kind of.
Like in Shaun of the Dead, you had that bit where he's like flipping channels.
adam crigler
Oh yeah.
tim pool
You know, and it's like every sentence is completed, but it's like telling him zombies are coming.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
And then you have that one section where the guy's like, stay in your homes and lock your doors.
But I wonder what the news reports would be like in the very early stages of a zombie apocalypse.
Mentally ill man bites woman, woman dies.
adam crigler
Like what we just read?
tim pool
Boom, just like that.
Zombie apocalypse.
unidentified
Oh my gosh.
adam crigler
But he was in quarantine because he had coronavirus?
Is that what I understand?
tim pool
I mean, that's what it says in the title.
Presumably.
adam crigler
So maybe that's phase three of the coronavirus.
lydia smith
Zombification.
adam crigler
Turns into a blood-grazed throat biting.
tim pool
Not likely.
But the reason I did pull that up is because a lot of people, like you saw in that tweet, is this really about the virus?
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
And so there's a lot of people who want to like the immediate reaction is that there's something else going on we don't know about.
It could just be you give the government power and they abuse it.
It's a simple answer.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But a lot of people are looking at this and they're saying things like this doesn't add up.
Why would they need to force Medicaid us?
Why would they be arresting random people?
Is it a coincidence these cops are arresting people on the beach for no reason?
Like, when they said straight up, you can go exercise, what's the difference about the beach?
What's going on?
And if something different was happening, they're not going to tell you.
I mean, look at what they were saying about the report being given to Trump in November.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
So this was a big story that was reported.
Apparently some U.S.
intelligence official came out and said it's not true.
It was never reported to the White House.
So the best case scenario is we're looking at in January.
This is interesting.
January 29th, the Trump administration received a memo saying, this is coming.
It could get really, really bad.
The left and the Democrat types have said this is proof that Trump knew and ignored it.
The same day Trump formed the task force.
adam crigler
The same day he got that letter.
tim pool
Same day he got the letter, he formed the task force.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
And then went on to start, you know, and two days later, banned travel from China.
And then later on, he definitely did downplay it, said, oh, it's like a flu, don't worry, it'll be gone.
That seems to me like evidence that he was trying to stop people from panicking.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But it's also a question of, we're only learning that they got this memo now, months later.
I'm curious what else they knew and aren't telling us.
adam crigler
Yeah, what they know now.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
About what's really going on.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
Because, security?
They wouldn't tell us, right?
adam crigler
Yeah, they don't want the general public to riot, you know?
It's like, I mean the whole seed thing, not being able to buy seeds is weird, you know?
That's really weird.
It doesn't make sense, you know?
I just don't get it.
tim pool
Bureaucracy?
Stupid people?
Why would that happen?
adam crigler
I feel like you're right when you said they want people to need them.
They want them to buy into the supply chain and keep the supply chain moving, essentially.
Go buy all the veggies from the store so that the veggies that are coming out, or if the farmers are making veggies still, who knows?
Some farms are straight up closing and stopping production.
tim pool
Some people, like, are tweeting, you know, the government doesn't want people to become self-reliant.
They don't want to, you know, they don't want us to get to a point where everyone just starts fending for themselves, growing some, you know, grows their own garden, gets a decent amount of their food on their own.
adam crigler
Going off the grid, yeah.
tim pool
Not even off the grid, I mean, you could live in the suburbs.
You could live in Detroit and be growing food.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And that cuts you off from the economy and it makes you harder to control.
It's a good point. Whether it's about control, I don't know.
But they definitely want to control things.
adam crigler
It certainly feels like it's about control.
They're saying you cannot buy seeds because they're non-essential.
Everyone's at their home.
What are people doing?
They're working on their homes.
It makes sense to grow a garden.
It's great.
tim pool
Maybe it's just an example of the government being completely inept and not understanding anything about what their policy is supposed to do.
adam crigler
That's possible.
That would be great if that's all it is.
It's just ignorance.
That would be wonderful.
tim pool
I'll tell you what, man, we are getting dangerously close to me getting outright banned on every YouTube platform.
Because we're getting to the point where the law is a complete violation of the Constitution, where the cops are trying to arrest people for going for a jog, and there's a point where YouTube will ban me for advocating for breaking the law.
Because at what point, you know, so there's like a, you know, all these lefties are mad at Infowars.
Apparently, I think Owen Troyer said something like he's planning mass civil disobedience of some sort, violating these social quarantining things because of how overzealous the government and the police have become.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Well, yeah, at what point do you say you can't do this?
Look, look, I get it if you say, hey, don't go outside, we got a pandemic.
adam crigler
Right.
But you can go grocery shopping, you can take a walk, you can go exercise.
tim pool
No, they're arresting people for doing it.
adam crigler
I know, but that's what they're saying, though.
unidentified
Right.
adam crigler
They're saying you can go whatever.
And like, there's some places that people are getting tickets for being in their car.
Just going places.
tim pool
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I saw that.
adam crigler
Being pulled over and getting citations for... Yeah.
Like, what?
Why?
They're in a quarantined place.
Like, how is a car not in quarantine?
tim pool
You know, it's not like... There was people going to like a church, right?
Is that what you saw?
adam crigler
I'm not sure where they were going.
tim pool
I just saw that they were pulled over and... I was reading a story of people who pulled up to like a church parking lot and no one got out of their cars.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
And the cop went up to all the cars and started giving them tickets.
Started threatening them.
It's like, but they're locked in.
You're violating the... This is why people think it's not about the virus.
Why would a cop try and grab you if it was about not spreading a virus?
These people are either ridiculously stupid or they're lying.
I never attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence.
unidentified
So maybe it's just a bunch of moron cops who are like, duh, I'm gonna touch somebody because they're not supposed to touch people.
adam crigler
Well, I know in New York that cops had to fill a certain quota or else they either got knocked pay or the whole department got less money like the next quarter.
So, you know, is that what this is?
tim pool
I don't know, man.
adam crigler
They're just like, oh man, we got to figure out any way to fulfill our quotas.
I don't know.
tim pool
I don't think so.
Everything's frozen, so they certainly can't be doing quotas.
adam crigler
Well, what is it?
tim pool
New York's got about one in five cops who's out sick.
adam crigler
Yeah.
unidentified
That's a lot.
tim pool
And it's like I was saying, too.
It's like, I wouldn't expect to see this in a more rural area.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
And it could be because the cops know they're gonna be accountable to their community.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Whereas this cop, he's like, I don't know you, and I don't care.
I'm gonna chase you down to the beach because you went for a jog?
adam crigler
Yeah, what?
tim pool
Like, seeing that dude get arrested from the paddleboarding thing makes no sense.
adam crigler
It doesn't.
tim pool
They're touching him.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Then there was the dad who got arrested in the park with his daughter playing t-ball.
Four cops show up, breaking the social quarantining, the social distancing, and start touching the guy.
So either they're really, really dumb, like, man.
You know, I've seen people dumb as a box of rocks.
I didn't know people could be dumber than that.
Like, oh, oh, there's a pandemic?
I better go and touch a guy who's minding his own business.
What?
Unless it's about something different.
And I don't know what it could or would be, but this is why people are certainly saying it on social media.
Because it feels like we're just being fed nothing but lies.
Nothing but lies, man.
adam crigler
I agree.
tim pool
I don't know though, dude.
Something's off.
There's ups and downs.
We were just talking about this.
It sometimes feels like things are getting better.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
We're hearing reports out of New York that the ICU usage has gone way, way down.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Projections were off.
Not that many people are going to die.
adam crigler
Yeah, I'm hearing that from multiple states.
They're like, all of our numbers are actually going down.
This hospital was prepared and it looks like we're not even going to need it.
tim pool
But do we get a wave 2?
Good.
adam crigler
I mean, and is wave two going to be nearly as strong as wave one?
tim pool
It was in the Spanish flu.
It was worse.
adam crigler
It was worse in wave two.
unidentified
Way worse.
adam crigler
Yeah.
unidentified
Hmm.
adam crigler
Because everyone let their guard down.
tim pool
I don't know.
adam crigler
I'm assuming.
tim pool
I can't tell you, man.
I can tell you this.
There comes a point in time when these, you know, here's what I said earlier.
That cop broke the law.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Because that guy didn't do anything wrong.
You see the video out of Philly where the guy's dragged out of the bus?
Yeah, I saw that.
Like a bunch of cops go on the bus and drag him.
adam crigler
Because he wasn't wearing a mask.
tim pool
And you don't have to wear a mask.
There's nothing... The bus... It actually says on the bus ticketing things, like, no one is required to wear a mask.
And the cops don't care.
They were like, let's all go in in a huge group and grab a random guy and drag him out of the bus.
They didn't even arrest him or anything.
adam crigler
Seriously?
They just pulled him off the bus?
tim pool
There was one guy who was wearing a mask, but it wasn't a surgical mask.
And they were like, no mask, get off.
And he's like, well I have this.
And he's like, I don't care, get off.
And he's like, okay.
Like dude, we can't, we can't, I'm surprised.
So here's what I'm saying.
I'm gonna get banned on YouTube, you know why?
Because the guy who's resisting the cops, those cops are breaking the law.
I'll put it this way.
You should follow the law.
Those cops, they broke the law.
So when a bunch of criminals, that's what those people were, they were petty criminals, assaulting somebody in a bus who did nothing wrong, That was an instance of someone violating the law.
But you know how YouTube's going to interpret it.
Oh, the cops are right.
adam crigler
Of course.
tim pool
Oh, but you can't encourage people to resist police.
You can't say that.
You'll get banned.
So you quite literally now have several instances where police are breaking the law.
Criminal activity.
Petty, for sure.
Like low assault and battery, maybe.
They're doing it.
They're the ones violating all these quarantining rules.
adam crigler
You know what?
I feel like this has always happened.
There's good cops and bad cops out there, and everybody's inside.
So it's kind of like the internet all over again, because now everybody's seeing everything.
So the little things that happen, everyone's like, whoa, now we can see it.
Because there's nothing going on anywhere.
tim pool
I mean, kind of, but police brutality was hugely viral over the past decade.
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
And they've actually tried shutting it down.
What I'm saying is... That proves my point even more, because... If I make a video where I say, if a police officer tries to break the law, you should not abide by what they're saying.
If I said that, and told people to do that, I would be banned.
Like that.
adam crigler
Boom.
tim pool
Gone.
So we're supposed to sit here and take it.
As we see seeds get banned.
As people get chased down the beach by cops for no reason.
As people get dragged off of buses for breaking no laws.
adam crigler
And not even arrested.
unidentified
Not even arrested.
tim pool
Or a dad and his kid being, you know, the dad gets locked up.
Dude paddleboarding by himself.
They're asking for trouble.
I'm not advocating for anything.
I'm saying people are going to put on Guy Fawkes masks and go march around.
adam crigler
That's not even bringing into the conversation the red flag laws and the no-knock warrants that are getting people killed.
Innocent people getting killed because they got the wrong house.
tim pool
That's what I'm saying.
It sounds like they're trying to make it happen.
Yeah, it does.
What bothers me more than anything is inefficiency.
The government right now, and typically, is just so ridiculously inefficient.
I can't stand watching someone with a square peg trying to jam it into a round hole.
It's like nails on a chalkboard to me.
And I'm sitting here being forced to watch this.
And so, you've got some people who think it's more nefarious than that, like there must be something else going on.
I can respect it, but we don't have any evidence to suggest that.
I'm just looking at a bunch of really, really dumb people running around like chickens with their heads cut off.
Like, I guess we should ban seeds?
That seems like it's a smart idea.
We should stop people from running on the beach!
It's like, who are these?
You know what, man?
It takes a really, really stupid person to enact these kinds of rules or to think that their authoritarian decree will actually solve the problems.
This is why I hate government.
I don't want to have anything to do with it.
Because everybody thinks they know the answer.
Everybody thinks that, I know, here's the plan.
If we do X, we will get Y. No, you don't know that.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
adam crigler
That's a good point.
tim pool
No one human can calculate all of the variables that will come out of your stupid policies.
adam crigler
Truth.
tim pool
Well, I guess we can just sit down and look forward to the point when the government, you know, Uncle Sam comes in Akka and says, I want you to inject this in your arm.
Don't ask me what it is.
Shut up.
adam crigler
Oh, and are you saying no?
Okay, fine.
You're not allowed out of your house anymore.
You're not allowed in the public space.
Right?
That's what they're saying.
That's crazy.
tim pool
You know what?
I think it would be fair to say it's a bit preemptive because Fauci says we're talking about it.
I don't care if it's preemptive or not.
I think it's important to talk about it, make sure everybody knows they're talking about it.
And if they want to do it, I'll tell you what, no one's going to do anything.
No one's going to say anything.
They're going to be like, okay.
When he started saying all this stuff and you started seeing, you know, more like right libertarian types refuse and like, no way, you get mainstream media attacking them.
Saying like you're you're you're causing all these problems.
You know, what's really funny is like the fluoride thing You know about fluoride. Mm-hmm how it's like bad for you,
unidentified
right?
tim pool
Yeah to ingest it right and we ingest it because it's in our water
adam crigler
Well, if you drink water from the faucet, right? It's fluoride in it
tim pool
That does.
adam crigler
Which I do not.
tim pool
So there's a couple arguments.
Initially, for the longest time, I remember Alex Jones talking about this stuff quite a bit.
But he often layers things in a kooky way.
So for the longest time, fluoride.
If it's good for your teeth, that doesn't mean you should swallow it.
The argument was mainstream science saying the concentrations in tap water were too low to cause neurological impairment, but high enough to actually protect your teeth.
And this is a really good thing.
One of the arguments from the libertarians was that it doesn't matter whether it works or doesn't, you can't mass medicate the population without their consent.
Turns out, a collection of reports were put together, and I think this was by the National Institute of Health, finding that, yup, guess what?
They found neurological impairment from lifelong exposure to fluoridated tap water.
adam crigler
Not surprising.
tim pool
Now don't, don't, look, I'm not, I'm not a scientist, so this was like, it was an aggregation of like 26 studies that each found in various ways there was a slight impairment due to drinking tap.
adam crigler
There was a study, a documentary I watched about ancient Egyptians and there's a gland in the center of the brain.
tim pool
Pineal?
adam crigler
The pineal gland.
I think that's what it is, yeah.
And it's supposed to be like where your soul resides.
tim pool
So they believe.
adam crigler
So they believe, right, you know, it's all hearsay, essentially, from what I understand, what they believe, but it turns out fluoride, like, mutes that gland.
I don't- Supposedly, again.
tim pool
Right, right, right.
adam crigler
Again, supposedly.
tim pool
Let's put it this way.
adam crigler
But it's interesting though, you know.
tim pool
as as fairly skeptical people this the claim the claim is that the pineal gland
the third eye the gateway to the soul whatever they want to call it yeah
exactly is like petrified or damaged or muted as a fluoride I don't know if that's true I don't know if
it's true either I've seen the stories what I can say I I have read some
articles a really long time ago so it's even possible I'm totally wrong about the
fluoride thing But there's still the argument from the libertarian's perspective, is that if you're saying it's good for someone's teeth, then why are you forcing people, like why are you putting it in the tap water so everyone drinks it and bathes in it?
adam crigler
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
tim pool
You know, that's like, people should have a choice, right?
adam crigler
Right, they should have a choice, I agree.
tim pool
So I'll tell you what, I'm not gonna be too keen on them saying, so apparently, I guess this is how it'll work.
Once things start to die down, the CDC is saying that people have been exposed can start coming back to work.
Well, how do they know if you're cleared to go back to work?
Immunity cards.
So they'll test you by swabbing the back of your, like, they go all the way back up to your brain, basically, with the Q-tip, and try and swab, you know, get a sample.
I don't think it's the same test, that's the COVID test, but they want to do an antibody test to see if you have the COVID-19 antibodies.
lydia smith
I think that one will be a blood draw test.
Probably.
tim pool
And if you do, then you are cleared.
And if you don't, you must get your medicine from the government.
I'm not too sure I would like them to inject me with their quickly, hastily made injection by mandate.
And here's the thing, I got tons of shots.
Like I was saying before when I went to Egypt and all that, I don't care.
I'm really not worried.
If it really was really, really bad, you'd see adverse reactions.
If the people who want to be the guinea pigs who get the first shots, you can do that.
I'm not super worried.
adam crigler
Isn't that already happening?
tim pool
Yeah, people are doing tests.
So something really weird is going on, depending on what you read.
You'll see a lot of Trump supporters are saying you've got hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and zinc, or some other combinations, have been anecdotally effective, and you're seeing this treatment used around the world.
Yeah, for some reason, I can't tell you why, there's all these non-profits and news organizations trying to tell people not to do it, not to take it.
You got a Democrat in Michigan saying it saved her life.
Then I saw this journalist, blue checkie, tweeting out guidelines saying, a lot of people are taking this, but here's what you need to know, it can kill you.
And I'm like, why are you, who's not a doctor, telling people not to take this, The conspiracy theory is that the pharmaceutical companies stand to gain a massive, massive amount of money if the goal is a vaccine instead of a cure.
adam crigler
Oh, okay.
tim pool
It's a conspiracy theory.
I'm not saying it's true, but I'll tell you what.
We're dealing with capitalist America, whatever you want to call it.
I mean, if I ran a vaccine company or pharmaceutical company, I'd certainly be lobbying, like, the vaccine is the best way to do this.
You know, you don't got to worry about reinfection.
We don't got to worry about manufacturing the medicine in the future.
And yeah, I think there's some fair arguments for a vaccine.
But the argument now is that, you know, Trump is interested in whatever will get the job done and getting things going again, but big corporate interests want a vaccine they can patent and control.
adam crigler
Yep, that's true.
Especially if this virus is going to be around.
If it keeps mutating a little bit, just like the flu stays around, they'll forever be in business with a whole nother thing.
Everyone gets their flu shots.
I mean, I say everybody, because not everybody.
I don't.
I don't either, but I don't get the flu.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
It's weird, you know, because if you're healthy, you stay fairly healthy.
tim pool
The flu shot only works for a few strains, though, right?
lydia smith
Yeah, they try to calculate as best they can with scientists in Australia, because their flu season is before ours.
tim pool
Really?
lydia smith
Yeah, that's why half the time it doesn't work.
By the time it gets here, it's totally different.
unidentified
Yeah, I mean, that's why I kind of just like... But they're churning them out, though, aren't they?
adam crigler
Those flu shots.
lydia smith
I had to do it because I worked with compromised populations, but I probably wouldn't do it otherwise because I never get the flu.
I just don't want to pass it on to somebody who doesn't deserve it, you know?
tim pool
You know why I think I'll get banned?
Because if you look at the mainstream media, what do they say?
Don't question the government, young citizen.
The government is always right, unless it came from Trump.
That's really what it is.
It's weird.
adam crigler
It's like... That's a good point.
tim pool
That's what it sounds like nowadays.
Yeah, so when the government says, vaccines are good, the media says, well, the government said it, therefore it must be true.
Like, what happened to the days of, like, we don't trust anyone in the government?
adam crigler
Or trusting anyone at all until you do your own research.
That's my favorite thing, to do my own research.
I want to find out all the different sources I can, and sometimes I'm even wrong, and it's okay, you know?
Just find out the best stuff.
tim pool
I'm on YouTube, and they'll probably, you know, take cuts of this and be like, you know, accuse me of being anti-vax or something.
They've done it to a lot of people.
There was, I can't remember who this was, but there was a celebrity who said that, you know, vaccines are good, vaccines are important, vaccines save lives.
It's one of the greatest accomplishments in medical technology of the past hundred years.
But we should question government mandated vaccinations.
And then all of a sudden all these stories popped up saying anti-vaxxer, anti-vaxxer, anti-vaxxer.
Sponsorships would be like, you're totally going after their career because nobody wants to be associated with that smear campaign.
adam crigler
Yeah, okay.
tim pool
Yeah, but are we supposed to just be like, I think everyone should just get a mandated injection from the government.
adam crigler
It's a scary premise.
Because where does it end?
tim pool
It doesn't.
It's not gonna.
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
It keeps happening.
It keeps getting worse.
And I wonder where the breaking point is.
Like, I've never seen... I've never seen it this bad.
I wonder if there's something else we don't know about.
But I don't know what it would be.
I don't have evidence.
I'm not going to speculate.
adam crigler
I think you might have shed some light a little bit on it.
The pharmaceutical companies want to be the ones that make the money off of whatever we do from this.
Why wouldn't they?
tim pool
I wouldn't even call it necessarily a conspiracy.
That's exactly how businesses run in this country.
adam crigler
And that's what they've been doing for quite some time.
How is it anything new, actually?
It's not.
So, of course they want a piece of this.
tim pool
So they'd lobby for a vaccine.
Right.
adam crigler
A worldwide pandemic.
Everybody's affected because it's novel.
tim pool
Money to be made.
adam crigler
Yeah.
They see dollar signs.
You know, that's all they see.
Scary-o.
tim pool
I mean, yeah, but can they get it out fast enough?
I don't know, man.
I think the system can only handle so much.
And I see people going for walks every day outside.
adam crigler
Me too.
tim pool
Yeah.
How long until some cop walks up and just shuts them down?
Because in South Jersey, there's stories like several people getting arrested for doing just that.
adam crigler
Seriously?
Just walking around?
tim pool
Just walking around.
adam crigler
I don't understand.
tim pool
Now, back talking, like one of the stories I read was that a couple people were walking
and the cops rolled up and said, hey you need to go home.
adam crigler
And they swore at him.
tim pool
And they yelled back, I don't need to do anything, you know.
Like I don't need to fucking do anything.
Oh I just swore, there you go.
That's it, we just got totally demonetized.
Ah, whatever, I don't care.
But yeah, they swore at the cops, and then all of a sudden the cops arrested somebody.
adam crigler
That was an actual quote, right?
That's what you were doing.
You were actually quoting them.
tim pool
Direct quote, yes.
Well, we did just get everything completely demonetized, but I'm not gonna cry about it.
You know what, man?
I'm tired, and we're dealing with the apocalypse, dystopian nightmare, all rolled up into one.
Cops are arresting people for swearing.
It was newsworthy.
It doesn't matter, YouTube doesn't care.
No, but I mean it, man.
I'll tell you what in a week.
What happens if cops are going door-to-door and arresting people for some stupid reason?
No, no one thought we'd get to the point where a cop would arrest somebody on the beach.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
For no reason, for just like for walking.
adam crigler
Or attempted to arrest them.
tim pool
No, I just mean, we've seen all the stories, the guy in the paddle boat.
adam crigler
Yeah, the paddle boat guy.
tim pool
Like, nobody thought, if I told you that in January, that the cops would randomly grab someone saying you're not allowed to be outside, they'd be like, shut up.
adam crigler
Right.
Like, come on.
unidentified
Yep.
adam crigler
Ten years ago, you said, look, Donald Trump's gonna be president.
There's gonna be a worldwide pandemic.
You're not allowed to go outside unless you get a vaccination card issued by the government.
tim pool
Immunity card.
adam crigler
Or you'll be arrested for going into public.
People would be like, get out of here.
tim pool
Yeah, that's funny.
adam crigler
I was like, yeah, that's where we are right now.
tim pool
I was looking at Amazon, and I can't remember what movie it is, but it was like, the movie was made in the 80s, and it was like, in the distant future of 2013.
Like, the world isn't, like, in ruin or whatever.
adam crigler
The distant future, 2013.
tim pool
And I'm like, man, seven years ago.
lydia smith
Oh, man.
tim pool
Nothing happened.
I don't know.
adam crigler
All those movies.
unidentified
Right.
adam crigler
So many of them that the past is their future.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, they always thought the year 2000 would be crazy.
I remember seeing this comic of what they thought the year 2000 was gonna be like, and it was like firefighters were flying.
Like, yeah, they... What did we do wrong, man?
lydia smith
Where did we go wrong?
tim pool
Yeah, like in the 60s.
adam crigler
Where's our jetpacks?
lydia smith
Yeah, seriously, my flying car.
adam crigler
I want a jetpack.
tim pool
The past generations had such high hopes for us.
It's 2020, and what do we have?
lydia smith
Social justice?
tim pool
Social justice.
We do have cars that can drive themselves.
adam crigler
No, you know what we have?
Complacency.
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
Yeah, I think that's it.
adam crigler
That's what it is.
People are comfortable doing nothing.
They're not striving to further the human race anymore.
tim pool
I blame video games.
adam crigler
Really?
tim pool
There's a quote that I love that says, if humans ever meet extraterrestrials, they'll shake hands not because they overcame nuclear weapons, but because they overcame the Xbox.
It's in reference to, we evolved a certain way.
uh... to chase after certain things we love fatty sugary foods right
okay so we we chase after these things and we mass-produce them to our own detriment
we end up as morbidly obese americans we get sick we get heart disease and we end up dying
some people resist some people exercise and do better and you know because it
feels good as well but that's also another issue
dopamine so we create video games that simulate goal completion
And now we've actually mastered the manipulation to get people to waste as much time as possible on these addictive games.
adam crigler
That's true, I see that.
tim pool
I mean, look, Twitter and Facebook, they know they're extremely addictive.
It's on purpose.
adam crigler
It's just a different game.
tim pool
You know why Twitter won't get rid of the like count and the retweet count?
adam crigler
Why?
tim pool
That's the addictive nature of it.
adam crigler
That's the game.
tim pool
How many points can I get?
adam crigler
Yep.
How many followers can I get?
How many likes?
How many retweets?
tim pool
You put out a tweet, and you look at those numbers, and you're like, ooh, I can do better.
adam crigler
Ooh, dopamine kick.
tim pool
Yep.
adam crigler
Yep, exactly.
tim pool
See, I get mine from skateboarding.
I go out, I do a trick, and if I succeed, I'm like, yes!
adam crigler
Yeah, and there's some people that say they don't play games, and yet they're heavy Twitterers.
tim pool
It's a game.
It's like Facebook, too.
adam crigler
What's the difference?
You play with other people.
I play on a PlayStation 4.
tim pool
It's an addiction.
adam crigler
It's the same thing.
tim pool
It's meant to be addicting.
adam crigler
Same with shopping.
Shopping is very much the same.
tim pool
It's all a game.
Do you know what Fermi's Paradox is?
It's a bunch of different ideas as to why we haven't encountered extraterrestrial intelligence.
The idea being that you could do a mathematical equation of how big the universe is, how many planets can sustain life as we know it, and then, you know, why is it that we have yet to find them?
There's a bunch of reasons.
It could be because, you know, we're the first.
That's one.
We're the first intelligent species to harness technology.
It could be because the intelligent species doesn't use radio waves, so they're giving off no signals, and we may have already seen the planet with life on it, we just can't tell because they use wired technology.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
It could be that the universe is so old that intelligent life flickers like lights on a
Christmas tree lighting up and then dying out and lighting up and dying out.
Or it could be something called the great filter that every intelligent species at some point
comes across a filter that wipes them out. One of those is self-gratification.
That instead of saying, we need to survive, we say, we need to feel good.
adam crigler
Oh, that seems pretty prevalent right now.
tim pool
Totally.
That's like, everything we have is decadence.
adam crigler
People don't know how to grow food.
Even if they wanted to, they're not allowed to buy seeds anymore.
Building shelter.
Like, if everyone was just dropped in the forest, there's a huge amount of people that would just get wiped out.
tim pool
Oh, dude, most of them.
But the idea in this regard is, you know, so we evolve.
We are goal-oriented.
We get satisfaction from solving something, you know, something in our brains.
We get satisfaction from eating sugary and fatty foods because they were rare.
And it was like high energy density, so it was good for us.
These things helped us succeed to this point.
But now that we've controlled it all, what do we do?
Right into the veins.
Crispy cream donuts.
Wads of sugar, wrapped in sugar, soaked in fat, sent right to your arteries.
adam crigler
Colorful images for your two-year-olds on their iPads.
tim pool
Final Fantasy VII Remake.
adam crigler
Mm-hmm.
Don't bring that into this.
tim pool
Oh, I have to.
adam crigler
Don't you dare.
tim pool
It makes you feel good.
adam crigler
It does.
You're right.
tim pool
Storytelling.
adam crigler
No defense there.
tim pool
So then, what we had to do in the past when faced with real challenges was scary.
The bear emerges from the forest.
Panic!
What do you do?
Well, solving these problems, you know, completing goals, And fighting for your survival felt good and it helped you survive and you had to do it.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Now we're at the point where, you know, wild animals anymore for the most part.
Sometimes a deer wanders into Chicago and everyone panics.
adam crigler
Or there's a turkey in the front yard and everyone freaks out.
A turkey!
That's exciting.
tim pool
What we've done is we've wrapped ourselves in a self-gratification cocoon.
unidentified
Yep.
adam crigler
A comfortable bubble.
tim pool
But now here's the real challenge.
We've evolved to survive on this planet in this planet's conditions.
If we need to go to other planets, we don't have any evolutionary development in our minds that's saying, go to Mars.
Some people just want to do it.
It's there, right?
Because they're smart people who can think ahead and see the future.
But in terms of the immediate self-gratification?
No way, man.
A Twinkie solves that right away.
Look, man, if I want to feel good and get a dopamine trigger, I can try and build a rocket over 20 years, or I can eat a Twinkie.
adam crigler
That's why people are just greedy.
They want, period.
That's basically all of them.
tim pool
That's it.
They want.
That's what the point of the quote is, basically.
That humans might wipe themselves out because we're more interested in the quick, easy, feel-good than we are the long-term.
You know, humans want short-term gains.
They don't want to deal with long-term gains.
It's like, I gotta wait three, five years for that?
Not interested.
So then what ends up happening is we build a bunch of dumb stuff on the earth, grind it to its core, rotting and withered, and then some smart people may have built rockets and GTFO'd, landed on Mars or some other planet.
The rest of us, most of us, just want the quick dopamine trigger.
That's the worrying great filter.
Yeah.
And you know what's even worrying about it, I guess, as well?
Maybe there's some weird authoritarian light at the end of the tunnel.
But this is another thing.
If governments start coming around and saying, like, you must do this, you must do that, and people are like, I got a PlayStation.
Why am I going to resist?
I feel good playing this video game or watching this movie or eating these Krispy Kreme donuts.
adam crigler
I don't know.
People seem to not really care about voting anymore.
Young people don't vote.
They don't care anymore.
tim pool
Maybe the goal with Biden was they were trying to make everyone give up.
adam crigler
Maybe.
tim pool
The DNC is like, how can we get people to just stop caring?
Just give up!
Ram Biden down their throat.
And all of a sudden people are like, dude, I am so out.
I do not care about this.
I mean, maybe because think about how the culture war was bubbling up.
Like it was kind of scary, right?
Like even I was being bullish on civil war.
That's all changed now with the coronavirus pandemic.
But I was saying like, you look at these factions fighting in the street, what do you do?
Well, the DNC rams Biden down everyone's throat, and they just give up.
They stop caring.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And that simmers things down, I guess.
adam crigler
Yeah, I guess.
tim pool
I don't know, man.
Well, Nightmare Dystopia is fun, but why don't we jump over to some Super Chats, see what the crowd is thinking, and then let me see, what's the next story that we have?
Should we talk about the guy who wants everything to burn?
adam crigler
Yeah, that's awesome.
tim pool
He wants it all just to burn?
adam crigler
No, no, no.
He doesn't want everything to burn.
Just the corporations that already have a good standing.
tim pool
He brings up a really good point.
So basically this guy said, let all the big companies just go under.
Just let them drop out.
Who cares?
Save Main Street.
Forget Wall Street.
adam crigler
Yeah, he says, like, we gotta help the actual people.
That's not wanting everything to burn.
tim pool
Well, no, no, no.
It's even a business thing.
He's like, they failed.
Congratulations.
adam crigler
You're out.
tim pool
Sorry.
That's how business works.
I'm like, That's a good point.
adam crigler
He's got a good point.
tim pool
You want to play the capitalism game, you play the capitalism game.
adam crigler
Yeah, let's talk about business.
tim pool
Yeah, let's grab some superchats.
We'll talk about this guy who said, let them all fail.
Swordsman Mike says, Tim, when I get home from work, I'm going to make that face you made reacting to that screeching about Bernie losing an emote on my Discord server.
Degenerates, which you can find on the website, uh, Disboard.
Not safe work, by the way.
Hey, appreciate it.
Redbeard says, immunity cards.
Hey, feds, do you want boog stuff?
Cause that's how you get boog stuff.
Boogaloo.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
Boogaloo.
They're dancing on it, man.
This is crazy.
YuYu says, F non-essential stream.
Oh, we are so non-essential.
lydia smith
No, we are super essential.
tim pool
We're non-essential, but we work from home, so you can't do anything to stop us.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
tim pool
Yeah, you know what'd be funny?
adam crigler
That's a good point.
tim pool
Like we get a call from some cop and he's like, how are you working?
You should not be working.
We work from home.
It's like, urgh, I want to shut you down, but I can't.
lydia smith
And we're socially distanced.
Look at us.
tim pool
We are actually.
lydia smith
We're all six feet apart from each other.
tim pool
Two meters.
adam crigler
That's a good point.
We are.
Two meters.
Nice.
tim pool
Sneaky says, thankfully Winnie the Flu hasn't done much here other than some closures and supply chain slowdown.
lydia smith
That's good.
tim pool
Go back, I wanna read that!
There we go.
We gotta do that.
lydia smith
I wanna read that.
tim pool
Lord Squirrel says, Tim, remove the beanie and use the power surge
to save us from this idiocy.
Sincerely, a Michigander.
It cannot be done.
Only in the gravest of danger.
Jacob, thanks for the super chat.
The Unrefined says, my mom thinks that CV test drive-thrus
are collecting your DNA.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Aren't they though?
adam crigler
Aren't they?
lydia smith
Technically correct, I guess.
tim pool
Yes.
What's it called, like the epigelial or whatever it's called?
unidentified
Cells?
adam crigler
They have to test the DNA.
tim pool
What's it called?
When they swab the cells in your mouth?
lydia smith
Yeah, the back of your throat.
tim pool
Well, so they're gonna get your DNA.
Are they really storing your DNA?
I doubt it.
Ancestry.com was like, giving away your DNA.
Wasn't one day doing that?
adam crigler
Yeah, I read about that.
It's like, whoa.
lydia smith
They already have it.
adam crigler
Dude, they don't got my DNA.
lydia smith
Nope.
tim pool
But hold on, like, a genuine question, like, serious question.
Why should I care if they have my DNA?
adam crigler
They're gonna make a clone of you and replace you so they can have Tim Pool.
lydia smith
It's true, we need more than one.
tim pool
I understand that law enforcement issues, people are worried about violations of the Fourth Amendment and all that stuff.
Yeah, I guess that's it?
Privacy rights and stuff?
adam crigler
No, they want to replace you.
They're gonna make a clone of you.
unidentified
No, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
There's serious concerns about giving DNA to companies.
adam crigler
Saying they're propaganda.
tim pool
There's serious concerns about giving your DNA to companies, and I'd like to hear them articulated.
Because I haven't heard any cohesive reason why someone would really freak out about bulk collection.
There are issues of people who have committed crimes and then been caught later because they gave their DNA to Ancestry.com.
lydia smith
Or their sibling, their parent gave it to them.
tim pool
And so, does that... I mean, if a criminal got caught because they gave it their DNA?
I've been fingerprinted.
When I got hired by American Eagle Airlines, I had to go through the federal registry thing where it's like, if you want to work at the airport, they take your information.
And I was like, I don't plan on committing any crimes.
I do think it's fair to say that, you know, who knows what the next crime is going to be.
adam crigler
I mean, walking down the street.
tim pool
Exactly.
adam crigler
You can get arrested.
Go run on the beach.
You're committing a crime now.
tim pool
Exactly.
That's what I'm saying.
adam crigler
Get on the bus.
Without a mask.
tim pool
It's easy to say right now, like, I don't care if they have my fingerprints.
I'm never going to commit a crime.
And then in a year, they're like, it's illegal to go to the bathroom.
adam crigler
It's illegal to have a YouTube live show and talk about whatever you want.
tim pool
Well, how would fingerprinting?
If they say straight up, no one's allowed to go outside, period.
And then they do a fingerprint test on a railing, and they're like, we got Tim Pool's fingerprints.
That proves he was outside.
adam crigler
We got you.
tim pool
We got him.
So I understand that.
But you know what we'll do?
I'm sure some people have already popped into the Super Chat with the DNA stuff, and so we'll get down to it.
Brian M says, Have some stimulus monies.
My check is in account.
Government giving me some of the money.
They stole back to me finally.
Glad to hear it.
Muffin says, I'm a Subverse investor.
Love Tim and gang.
There hasn't been an investor update since August.
Would it be possible to get quarterly updates or access to financials?
Thanks.
I will absolutely sync up with the team on all of that stuff.
And we've got really, really awesome stuff going on.
The quality has been taking off, the camera work, we got some really cool documentary, it's gonna be awesome stuff, so absolutely.
I will send them a note and we'll go over everything we need to do.
The Memes of Destruction says, If we are doing a $6.2 trillion stimulus and divided by 210 million adult Americans, we could do about $30k per adult American.
Employees could buy stock to help out and take percentage ownership.
Thoughts?
unidentified
I don't know.
tim pool
I don't think anyone knows.
I seriously don't think so.
And that's why I'm like, leave me out of it.
I would never try and implement policy because you don't know what the ramifications are going to be.
adam crigler
It's always something.
tim pool
I think one of the issues is that if you give everyone 30k, all of a sudden nobody needs to work anymore.
And that would just cause hyperinflation.
adam crigler
And humans always love to take the easy route and the lazy route.
So you give everyone 30 grand, a lot of people are going to stop working and you think it's shut down now.
Imagine after like six months of that when suddenly all the money runs out and there's no jobs available because the people already who want to work took all the jobs.
The mess.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
Never played Saints Row, no.
Whenever I hear about rising house prices, I think back to Saints Row 2 and that mission.
You know, the one with the septic tank?
I don't, but I'll take your word for it.
Evil Morty says Google wants to track you now opinion.
Yeah, Google is tracking people's like cell phone data for like...
adam crigler
They are.
tim pool
Yeah, they are.
They are.
You know what?
Everyone agreed to it.
Everyone who's got a phone.
We just like cheerfully go to the store like, I can't wait to get the new tracking device.
I'm so excited.
adam crigler
Oh, what's this?
You have to accept?
Okay, yeah, whatever.
I'll accept it.
tim pool
Self-barked that episode where it's like, he agreed to become a part of a human centipede.
Like, well, you should have read it and everyone else.
He's like, did you guys read it?
Like, we did.
You did?
Well, yeah.
Why would I agree to something if I didn't read it?
And he was the only one who just clicked yes.
So then he gets, you know, human centipede, yeah.
I won't explain it.
Della Morte says, Fallout 76 so bad it made me not like John Denver.
Julia Braunbeck says, I think YouTube has found this channel.
For the past few days, your livestream has not showed up in my notifications.
And you guys were saying something similar, right?
adam crigler
Yeah, I mean, that actually has been going on since we started the show.
So it's not anything new, and I don't know what it is.
I pull it up right here on my computer, and sometimes it pops up, sometimes it doesn't.
tim pool
You know what you do then, to fix this?
For one, always just show up.
I think you can go to youtube.com slash timcast IRL slash live, right?
adam crigler
I just go to my homepage at like two minutes, pretty much when you get the live stream going.
I can see it here on that monitor.
So then I open up YouTube and usually it's right on the homepage.
tim pool
Here's what you do.
Here's how you solve that.
You take the URL right now and you paste it into Facebook and Twitter and every other social platform and you say, watch this podcast.
If there's one thing that's going to bypass YouTube's algorithmic suppression, it's if you choose to be something more powerful than the algorithm.
So it is a shameless plug, but it's also legit.
If we only relied on YouTube to promote us and letting everyone know we were doing shows, yeah, we're going to burn, we're going to go down in flames.
And you know, we don't, we don't deserve to survive if that's the case, if nobody actually wants to, you know, spread the word.
adam crigler
Yeah.
So thanks for showing up.
unidentified
Absolutely.
adam crigler
I'm hanging out with us.
tim pool
And hit the like button, because that could be a factor.
YouTube, like, they really do recommend channels that get more likes.
adam crigler
I'll go ahead and hit that like button right now.
lydia smith
I'll do that too.
Good idea.
tim pool
DarkRenji says, Tim, if Cali does try to separate from the U.S., how long would it take for it, uh, take?
Or is it even possible?
Also, I really hope they do screw woke people.
You guys hear about this?
Gavin Newsom said... Yeah, I heard about it.
But it was, it's, it's silly.
adam crigler
I agree, it's silly.
tim pool
People are like, he declared independence.
He did describe California as a nation state.
He did.
I don't know how far you get with that.
lydia smith
They are a pretty big economy.
tim pool
Yeah.
And he said, as a nation state.
So some people tried downplaying it, like he was comparing it to the purchasing power of, and it's like, no, no, no, no.
He said.
lydia smith
Not that either.
tim pool
The power of California as a nation state.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
Does that mean they're independent?
No.
We did see this big wave like 10 years ago where all these states are declaring their sovereignty.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Like asserting their state right to like do their own thing.
adam crigler
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
I don't think California can actually do it.
Because all the other states have to agree to it.
adam crigler
I think it was when Colorado legalized weed.
There was a big uptick of it because the federal government would come and crack down on some places.
But then the Colorado government was like, no, we legalized it.
And there was this huge battle.
And then it started going on in California.
And I don't know if it's still going on.
tim pool
But like every state basically was like, we don't care what you're doing.
We just want to let you know that we're sovereign.
We can do what we want to do.
And that was crazy.
adam crigler
That is pretty crazy.
I mean, it is 50, the United States.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
So the states are united, but if they become divided, what's going to happen?
tim pool
If California wants to leave, then all the other states have to agree to it.
adam crigler
Is that the case?
tim pool
And so they won't.
I mean, actually.
Well, I think it's like a two-thirds thing.
adam crigler
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
I'm not entirely sure.
I'm not a, you know, constitutional scholar.
But something to that nature.
Yeah.
adam crigler
Yeah, I don't know.
tim pool
Super Bam Bam says, that wasn't a cop, that was a zombie and the dude outran it.
There you go.
adam crigler
I agree.
lydia smith
Training's paying off.
adam crigler
Cardio.
unidentified
Yeah, man.
tim pool
Victor says, hey Tim and Beanie Crew.
The 19 has hit close to me.
My sister has been asked to join FEMA and NY and NJ to provide medical relief.
adam crigler
Wow.
tim pool
Redbeard says, I would love to see the fight if CA tries to leave the union.
Do you know how much US military force is in CA?
Yeah, it would never happen.
They're gonna be like, first of all, you gotta vegetables, and you gotta guns.
Yeah, it's not gonna happen.
Callum says, no offense intended, I swear, I love y'all, but how do y'all plan to defend our rights without owning firearms?
Is it down to us AR-15 owners?
New Jersey makes it extremely difficult to own firearms is the problem.
So, that's a great point.
Rely on, I don't know, National Guard?
lydia smith
As far as I can tell, each person should be planning to defend themselves, right?
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
So AR-15 owners are defending themselves and their families.
We're defending ourselves.
It's all good, as far as I can tell.
Yeah, we're independent citizens.
tim pool
You know what I'm gonna do?
You know what?
I think these guys got it all wrong with AR-15s.
While they're all busy with these Air 15s, I'm gonna study the blade.
Get some ninja stars, no one will ever see it coming.
Caltrops. Grow a big beard.
Grow a big beard. Yes.
Wear all black. Get a mask.
They'll be like, that guy's just in coronavirus protective gear.
I'll go, ha ha, and throw a star at him.
lydia smith
Katana. Yeah. That's right.
tim pool
No one will ever see it coming.
No, that's a really good point though.
adam crigler
We should get some shurikens, that'd be cool.
tim pool
Nah.
We can set up like a throwing board.
That'd be fun.
lydia smith
There you go, that's our plan.
tim pool
They're not even a practical weapon.
Maybe in, like, feudal Japan.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
A heavy piece of metal that was sharpened that you could... But it also kind of feels like a waste of the metal.
Like, well, I guess if you need to throw it, you need to throw it.
adam crigler
Well, if you hit your target and it works, you can just go and collect it.
tim pool
Retrieve it?
Not if you're, like, raiding the Emperor's throne room and you gotta, like, go in for a quick feudal Japan assassination.
adam crigler
Well, it's silent and at a distance, so... That's true.
Depends if you're truly a ninja.
tim pool
Yeah.
Maybe we're just in trouble.
I don't know what'll happen, but that's a good question.
Nash says, do you want a boogaloo?
That's how you start a boogaloo.
Oh yeah, definitely.
Nava says, hope you build a bad A van.
Well, I already swore, so.
Or RV and take your crew on the road.
Solar, lithium batteries, and mobile internet.
Plenty of people do it.
I actually have a van conversion already to go.
Eve Welcome says, control the food, control the populace.
Could be, yeah, they don't want people growing food.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Jim Wattari says, the LA County beaches are closed.
Too many people were ignoring the social distancing rules.
That I get.
But why chase after one person?
lydia smith
Because it's closed.
Can't make any exceptions, I guess.
tim pool
I guess.
lydia smith
Same for paddleboarding.
That kind of makes sense.
adam crigler
It's just the no exceptions.
It's like, oh, there's one guy and then other people see it and start running too.
And then all of a sudden there's like 500 people along the beach running.
tim pool
But still, all they have to do is, if there's one person running, they're saying, you know, whatever.
If there's two people running, yeah, whatever.
If there's 20 people running, they get a boat, they pull up, and they go, you know, like, 20 people, like, time to break it up.
Get everyone off the beach.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And they'll just get off the beach.
You don't gotta chase after it.
It's the weirdest thing.
It is weird.
Yeah, I don't like zero tolerance.
adam crigler
Well, if you're not a cop, you're a criminal.
That's right.
tim pool
DC Pagan says, daily reminder that coronavirus tests only test for antibodies.
A positive result implies the immunity system is working.
Nunya Biz says, think of the budget of modern policing.
It's based on fines for traffic, scoff laws, and offensive from a lot of people moving, but no one is going out now.
That's why you're seeing police do stupid enforcement.
No money means no job.
adam crigler
That's what I was saying earlier.
Exactly.
They need the fines.
They need people to do wrong so they can fine them and make money.
unidentified
It's a business.
adam crigler
The business of policing is taking a hit right now.
And that makes sense.
tim pool
Vulgar display of power says, talk about people in South Korea that have been cured from COVID and got sick of it again.
94 confirmed cases so far.
Oh man.
Yup.
That's why they're saying it's like time to lock everyone down forever.
Because this sickness can't... How is it possible that we can't become immune to it?
adam crigler
I don't know.
tim pool
That's weird.
I'm not an epidemiologist or a virologist, so I can't comment, but it's not something I've ever seen before.
adam crigler
Yeah, I don't know.
tim pool
Maybe it's a thing.
I can only assume it is.
lydia smith
There are a few diseases that are biphasic.
You don't really get immune.
It's like encephalitis and some other stuff.
tim pool
I mean, there's a bunch of stuff we can't fight off.
Like, you get infections, like in the Wild West, you would die.
adam crigler
Would it be biphasic, though?
lydia smith
If it has two phases?
adam crigler
No, I know what biphasic means.
I'm saying, if we just can't be immune to it ever, wouldn't it just be one phase over and over and over again?
tim pool
Yeah.
lydia smith
Oh, maybe.
Yeah, maybe you're right.
adam crigler
That's what this would be.
lydia smith
Yeah, I don't know.
adam crigler
Because if we can't grow in immunity and stay immune, then...
unidentified
I'll tell you what this is.
tim pool
Human justice.
Comeuppance.
Our time has come.
There's no cure.
Everyone must lock down their houses.
lydia smith
Forever.
tim pool
You know, like, if the apocalypse was gonna be, like, a big meteor or, like, a nuclear bomb, and it's, like, I had to shelter in place and, like, hide in the basement?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
At least that would be exciting.
unidentified
It's like, oh, man, the giant meteor's gonna slam into the Atlantic and, like, vaporize half the planet or something.
tim pool
Everybody duck and get in the cave.
adam crigler
Will that mining team be able to fly and land on it and blow it up in time?
tim pool
Now it's like, oh, my neighbor got a cough.
Quick, go in the basement and lock the doors and put on a mask.
Oh, no, I'm coughing.
unidentified
Oh, it's over.
tim pool
It's much less exciting.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's not exciting.
tim pool
So it's slow, too.
adam crigler
I don't know.
We'll see.
tim pool
Drunk Shovel says, grow victory gardens where seeds are available.
Don't let the government control the food.
Americans must stay independent.
It's in our blood.
It certainly is.
James Hoover says, Alex Jones was right lol.
What about the fluoride thing?
DC Pagan says, zombie apocalypse confirmed.
Yeah, the dude in India.
I don't know anything about it.
No idea.
Oh, that's right.
What's your thought on Barbie Crucifix controversy?
I don't know anything about it.
adam crigler
No idea.
tim pool
Joe Johnson says, Tim, I guess you never seen Battle Los Angeles.
They're in the water.
That's why they want to keep the beach clear.
Oh, that's right.
unidentified
They're in the water.
Oh, yeah.
adam crigler
Never seen that movie.
tim pool
The Civic Nationalist says, in the UK, you can get arrested and fined if the police determine
that your trip is unnecessary.
We live in the police state.
Dude, in the UK, Count Dankula got arrested for making a joke on YouTube for his friends.
This is not the moment where you wake up to the police state.
You've been there well before Dankula got arrested.
I think it was, who was it, Nigel Frage who was calling for that?
adam crigler
Nigel Frage, yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, y'all need a constitution.
First Amendment, all that stuff.
Rye says, look, the headline for the zombie apocalypse will read, Florida man comes back to life and bites someone to death.
Comes back to life.
adam crigler
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
Dark Sun says Bill Gates and the elites are all behind this.
I don't believe so.
I really don't.
There's a lot of interesting threads about it, but, you know, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Wattlespire says greetings from rural Iowa.
80% of our workforce is considered essential because of farming and factories, and we have less than a dozen cases in our county.
I'm doing my best to stay connected, but it still feels a world away.
Glad you guys can still work, especially because we need food.
Morgan Gray says, TDS will lead to zombie apocalypse.
Liberal media and Hollywood mainly affected.
Afflicted.
Hutch the Wolf says, if you want an idea of how the early reaction to a zombie apocalypse would be like, read World War Z. Better yet, listen to it.
It's probably the best audio book out there.
Will do.
Some guy says, zombo-phobia is the new trend among alt-right fascists.
How zombies are the latest minority under attack.
lydia smith
Yeah, I can see it.
tim pool
Yep.
Jeffrey Jeff says, thanks to the advice to download Doom Atom, internet is so bad I'm still waiting on to download Super Chat as promised.
adam crigler
Well, I hope you get to start playing it eventually.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
iGuy says, there are a lot of counties in CA that have farmers who will burn their crops if we try to secede along with 5 million gun owners who don't want to live in what they described as a monarchy and 30 military bases.
unidentified
Oh boy.
tim pool
All right, I'm gonna have to start speeding up because we do have too many superchats, so I apologize for those that we miss.
James Wallace says, look back at all Pelosi and Schiff's actions and you asked why would they do these things?
They did and they must be idiots.
Then look at the timeline of the virus.
They aren't dumb, it was orchestrated.
No, I think they're really dumb.
Subba Bam Bam says, with the police doing this, are they trying to start an insurgency?
I think it's just grains of sand in a heat, man.
One cop says, I'm gonna tell them to stop, and then eventually everyone sees these videos, they get mad about it, and then, you know, breakdown happens.
David says, Italy has one-fourth of the cases and more deaths.
Europe has a bit less than double of the cases as us, but three times the deaths.
But somehow we aren't doing well?
Media is nuts.
Well, there you go.
It's already happening, apparently.
About 100 people showed up to protest the stay at home order here.
And yes, someone showed up in a guy Fox mask.
Well, there you go.
It's already happening apparently.
Brandon Gravely says Boogaloo cowabunga it is.
Yeah.
Harry To says I don't believe it's true, but it feels like the movie V for Vendetta.
Doesn't it really?
lydia smith
It really does.
tim pool
Yeah, you guys should go watch V for Vendetta.
Awesome movie.
But it really does.
You've seen it, obviously.
Yeah, but it's like the government, or yeah, we talked about it.
They make the disease and the vaccine and then, you know.
Alright, let's see where we at.
Jmax says, Adam isn't playing FF7 right now.
I've barely put it down.
In Sector 5 at the moment myself.
What's Adam's thoughts so far?
adam crigler
I'm playing it right now.
In here.
No, I'm just kidding.
I was playing it all day and it is incredible.
It's great.
It feels like the first game, but with all the details.
With all the...
Uh, you know, the emotions that they're going through, you really, it really feels like you're kind of watching the movie, but living the life also through, through the whole, uh, beginning.
It's, it's pretty great.
I like it.
tim pool
It's a game play.
adam crigler
There's a little cheesy moments in it, but the first game had those moments too.
So it's, it's good so far.
I really, really am enjoying it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Right on.
adam crigler
It's great.
tim pool
Well, I think people in New York won't go out and be free, and it's not gonna be like them saying, like, we're free.
It's gonna be them, like, salivating and going crazy, like, thirsting for blood because they're starving to death.
better to die free than die cowering in our homes."
Well, I think people in New York won't go out and be free and it's not going to be like
them saying, like, we're free.
It's going to be them, like, salivating and going crazy, like thirsting for blood because
they're starving to death.
Yeah.
Trapped in a big city that's all concrete where they can't grow food.
Being trapped in their homes.
Not allowed to leave.
Not allowed to buy seeds.
Can't even grow a garden on your window sill.
People are gonna just go nuts.
It's not gonna be zombies.
It's gonna be like ideological zombism.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Whatever you wanna call it.
lydia smith
Zombie-ism.
tim pool
Zombie-ism?
lydia smith
Zombie-ism.
tim pool
Zombie-ism.
lydia smith
Yeah.
adam crigler
That's a thing?
tim pool
I don't know.
It's gonna be people who are just fed up, desperate, and hungry, and they become, you know, cannibals.
For that matter, I just watched Book of Eli the other night.
Have you seen Book of Eli?
adam crigler
Yeah, it's great.
tim pool
That movie's awesome.
adam crigler
And then you gotta watch it again.
tim pool
You gotta watch it again.
If you haven't seen it.
Actually, it's a 10-year-old movie.
I still don't want to spoil it.
But they do this thing where they're like, show us your hands, because cannibals get the shakes from eating too much human meat.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's a cool movie.
adam crigler
We never know what you're capable of until you're there.
Remember we were talking about this?
I was talking about some, man, someone corrected me about what was actually going on.
It was out in Soviet Union in like 1910 or something, 1915, and people were selling human meat.
Whoa.
tim pool
Oh, that's right, that's right, that's right.
I remember that.
It was the Holodomor or something like that.
adam crigler
Yeah, something like that.
tim pool
Ugh, man.
I'm sorry, dude.
I'm not eating human meat.
Not gonna happen.
I will swear upon my soul.
It's never gonna happen.
Super Bam and now like the guy from CNN.
What's his face?
adam crigler
Yeah, he tried brain or something.
tim pool
Reza Aslan.
He'll never live that down.
I think you really messed him up.
I do.
Because he's become a really awful person.
adam crigler
Really?
tim pool
And I think it's not that he ate human meat, human brain.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
I think it's that he's been shunned so much.
adam crigler
Because of it?
tim pool
Yeah, and so he's got friends who are in high places, so he still gets to exist in society as like a wealthy individual, and he's super rich.
But he gets torn up all the time as the guy who ate brain.
And so you see his reaction to things, like with the Covington kids, he's like, I want to punch that, you know, he's like, have you ever seen a more punchable face and post a picture of a 14 year old kid?
It's like, dude, chill out.
But I think he's be, it's like, I think, It's almost like he was canceled.
Like when that segment came out where he ate brain, everyone was like, you are a disgusting piece of human filth.
And he'll never, never escape.
He is trapped in this world.
And it was funny, I was talking to somebody who knows him.
adam crigler
He ate human brain.
What do you expect, man?
tim pool
Check it out.
I was talking to somebody who knows him.
And they brought him up and I was like, wait, isn't he a cannibal?
And they were like, he is not a cannibal.
And I was like, he ate human meat.
Yeah, he ate a little bit of brain for a show, and I'm like, that makes him a cannibal.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
They argued, no.
Cannibals, like, are people who eat human meat.
It's like a thing they do.
And I was like, so you're saying to me, if like an old dude did okay just one time, you're not gonna call him out as a pedo?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And they were, well, I'm like, yeah, Reza Aslan ate brain.
He's a cannibal.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
We're done here.
adam crigler
Yeah, conversation over.
tim pool
There's no, he's almost a cannibal.
No, he literally did it.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
But I think that really messed him up.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Because it even looked like what we're saying about it.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
He can't escape it.
Could you imagine being trapped in that world?
You have to change your name, change your appearance, give up everything.
You're always going to be the dude who ate human on TV.
adam crigler
This is a public service announcement brought to you by me.
Don't eat human meat.
tim pool
Oh, great advice.
You know what's really crazy about it?
Is that I think this was like a CNN show.
And what they claim is that he was scared for his life and kind of like forced to do it because the tribalists who were cooking the brain were like dangerous.
You know what I think the real reason why they did it was?
adam crigler
Why?
tim pool
They wanted to be Vice.
Dude, Vice had a segment where Ryan Duffy goes down to I think, I can't remember, like Columbia or something, and he's trying out bulletproof clothing and they literally shoot him.
adam crigler
Dang.
tim pool
And the bullet just flops down and he's like, wow, it was a really big, thick, like trench coat.
I barely remember the episode, but they also did the scopolamine thing.
You know what scopolamine is?
It's this, it's this drug where they like blow it in your face and then it turns you into like a mindless drone.
adam crigler
Yeah, that does whatever.
Okay.
I know this.
tim pool
So Vice does all these like dark edgy documentaries that were extremely popular on YouTube when
they did that series and then they get HBO and they get all these Emmys and then everyone
and their mother wanted to be Vice.
I'm not kidding.
I know.
adam crigler
I got hired at Fusion.
tim pool
I lived through it.
Yeah, I watched it.
So Fusion tries poaching me and they're like, you know, we want to do what they do and all
We want to, yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure, sure, I got you, man.
Now they quickly changed their tune.
But I actually got called down to a meeting with a bunch of people and they said, how do we do what Vice does?
And I had some choice words for these corporations.
But this was around the same time CNN was trying to do these Verite-like travel doc stuff.
Dude eats brain, and it was really obvious.
I mean, for me, as somebody who worked for Vice, I was like, it's kind of like if you're, you know, I don't know how many people can relate to this, but you're like in school, and there's that one dorky kid who's kind of like, you know, a loser who's desperately trying to fit in.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And so, like, you're sitting with your friends, and all of a sudden he walks up and says something really awkward, and you're sitting there like, all right, dude, that's, yeah, sure.
Anyway, and then you, like, turn back to your friends.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
That's what it was.
Could you imagine, like, destroying your life because you were trying to chase after what you thought was cool?
For that matter, could you imagine eating human brain?
lydia smith
Nope.
unidentified
Nope.
lydia smith
Neither of those things.
adam crigler
That's amazing.
I'm good.
I have no interest.
tim pool
A lot of the media that we get today is like that, though.
Why are you familiar with... Well, it's not just that.
It's like chasing after what they think will be the hot thing.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
And so, Rezla ends up becoming, I guess, just like fodder for the machine.
Because, you know, CNN doesn't care.
They're like, cancel his show, that was gross.
adam crigler
Yeah, that didn't work.
Well, we'll just fire him and move on.
tim pool
But if you look at other companies, like Mike.com is a really good example.
adam crigler
Okay.
I don't know.
tim pool
Mike.com started out as kind of a libertarian, like seriously, like pro-Ron Paul-ish.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
And then became super social justice.
It's just because they're chasing after what they think the next hot thing is.
And they will sacrifice and burn down anybody.
So actually, interestingly enough, Joe Rogan was talking about this on a recent podcast with, I can't remember the guy's name, but he was saying that CNN's doing the things they're doing, Orange Man Bad and all this stuff, because they're desperately trying to survive.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
You look back to what they did with the brain eating, and it's like, yeah, they've been desperately trying to figure out what they think people would be into.
They're not cool.
They're doing weird, weird stuff.
adam crigler
Yeah, they're trying.
tim pool
But it's not just about them, it's like the whole landscape is kind of derivative of what we've seen from that moment.
Vice had early success, but Vice's success was not, in my opinion, based upon actual popular ideas.
Like, it wasn't based upon, how do I say, success.
It was built upon the perception of success.
People were absolutely convinced that Vice was cool, so everyone wanted to be Vice.
And now Vice is like, you know, Disney's written off their entire investment, saying it's worthless, $500 million in the toilet.
Really?
Yeah, yeah.
So, like, Disney invested, like, $500 million.
It was, like, $400, and then another company invested, like, $70, and then they merged.
And then they wrote, like, last year, we now see that investment as nothing, completely written off, we're never getting back, because it was an illusion.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
Which is so, so it's funny because you have companies like Mike.
They started, I don't know exactly how they started or what the deal was, but they started something like early 2010s and Ron Paul was really big.
You know, the Ron Paul love revolution of 2008.
You know, have you ever seen the Ron Paul and like the, the revolution, but then it says love backwards.
adam crigler
Yeah, okay.
tim pool
It was huge on the internet.
And so right now, you've got, you know, Ron Paul recently said something like, Dr. Fauci needs to be fired.
He's trying to take control of everything and stuff like this.
Reddit is tearing him apart.
adam crigler
Fauci or Ron?
tim pool
No, Ron Paul.
And someone commented, this is funny, remember when we all loved Ron Paul?
And I'm curious, like, why did that change?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Ron Paul didn't change.
He's still staying the same old, same old.
lydia smith
Been a little crazy?
tim pool
Well, they comment, like, we grew up.
Okay, you grew up.
Mike.com, my understanding, and I could be wrong about this, started out with some very libertarian stories, and then over time, just trying to figure out what would get the most traffic, turned into a social justice rage bait outlet.
The dudes who were running it were apparently libertarian bros, as far as I was told by many other people.
So this is what's actually driving politics in this country.
Yeah?
I know.
Yeah, you get... It's all fake, I guess.
You know?
adam crigler
So I'm curious... What's real nowadays?
tim pool
Yeah, nothing.
Like, this story we're about to get into, and we'll jump back to the superchats real quick, about the guy who's saying, like, let it all burn.
I don't believe any of it.
I don't believe that it's real.
You know, and that's why... Yeah, let's get to this.
Well, let me... I gotta... One more point.
I mentioned this in a couple of my videos.
I mentioned it yesterday and I say it and I have no problem saying it.
They pretend to be angry so we pretend to be angry back.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
Like, how?
I don't know.
You know, sometimes I read this stuff and I'm like, it really does bug me when the media lies about this.
And then people make YouTube videos where they're like, Tim Poole's wrong.
And I'm like, do you really care that I care about what the people in these news companies are doing and saying?
Or is it just performative art to fit your audience?
adam crigler
Yep.
That's what I want.
That's instantly what I go in my head.
Yep.
That's what it is.
tim pool
Like eating brain.
adam crigler
Catering to the masses, essentially.
tim pool
Like eating brain.
adam crigler
I guess.
tim pool
They thought they were gonna get this big hit.
That's what, you know, I've been in those meetings, man, where people are like, dude, I have this idea.
We're going to do this crazy thing and it'll work.
And I've successfully navigated away from all of the crazy people who have done the stupid things like brain eating.
Or like I've been in the meetings where they've pitched stuff that's just factually wrong but they don't care.
And I've just refused.
I'm not going to go down that road because they're not thinking about the long term results of what this is going to do to them.
Like one example is like I was at Fusion and there was this fake outrage over Ghost in the Shell.
Do you know what Ghost in the Shell is?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
So they were like, ooh, this is really crazy.
Like, it's an anime, you know, and they're doing a live action, but they cast a white woman to play Major Kusanagi.
I think the name is Motoko.
And they're like, whoa, wow, man, total whitewashing.
And then I was like, actually, I'm kind of a fan of Ghost in the Shell, and I don't think that actually makes sense.
Like, an aspect of Ghost in the Shell is that by cyberizing your brain and getting prosthetic bodies, you transcend race and gender and all these things.
And, like, it's actually one of the questions, like, asked in Stand Alone Complex of Major, why does she prefer female bodies?
And I'm like, that's actually a better question about, like, I guess maybe, like, gender identity.
And they were like, uh, no, we think racism.
And I'm like, you guys don't know anything about this show.
adam crigler
No.
tim pool
And so that's the flack they ended up getting when they write these fake articles, is that They're not actually talking about things they know and are passionate about.
They're trying to pretend to be relevant.
And so I guess to kind of wrap up that idea, you end up with a dude going to India and eating brain, and then it makes him go insane.
And then he goes on Twitter and all he is is just foaming at the mouth, screeching at everybody.
He's full of hate and vile brain-eating madness.
lydia smith
To be fair, lots of them are like that.
I don't think you could blame that on the brain-eating.
tim pool
No, I do.
No, I think it's the brain-eating.
lydia smith
Really?
You think so?
adam crigler
Yeah.
That was the catalyst.
tim pool
Wasn't he like some... He was like a scholar on religion or something.
lydia smith
I think he ruined his reputation, realized what he'd done, came back and was like, well, I have to be a super social justice warrior now or no one will ever listen to me again.
tim pool
No, I think it's that, you know, when you go on Twitter and everyone hates you and is pointing their finger at you and laughing at you, you become resentful and angry and you hate everyone.
And so he just goes on Twitter and he just scowls.
He had a show, it was about religion.
That's how he ended up eating the brain.
It was supposed to be like a serious religious scholar.
Now he's become this putrid, vile, hunched demon who just vomits on people on Twitter.
He went from being prestigious to just... Yes!
That's what happens when you eat brain, man.
lydia smith
I know.
adam crigler
I guess so.
lydia smith
So don't do that.
tim pool
Don't eat brain.
Do not do it.
Alright, we'll grab some more Super Chats.
Super Bam Bam says, please government sama, inject me with your hot sticky vaccine.
Oh yeah.
Howard A. Treesong says, Tim stood shirtless tout, proud skin, the color of fresh cream.
5'10 of world-wise, apocalypse-ready flesh.
Wow, Adam breathed, eyes roving up and down.
You're really nipping out.
I'm only 5% was the husky reply.
I don't understand it, but I am entertained, so... More fanfiction?
More fanfiction.
lydia smith
Oh, I love it!
tim pool
Keith Rogers says, good thing about living in a small town in Alabama.
During lockdown spent two weeks on the lake fishing.
Our law enforcement or our high school friends.
lydia smith
Nice.
tim pool
New York style lockdown would not fly here.
Stay safe.
That's what I'm talking about.
Like you're accountable to your community.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
If you went out and you were like, get out of the lake, they'd be like, shut up, Bill.
adam crigler
It's like, all right, fine.
lydia smith
Come fish with us.
adam crigler
Yeah, come fish with us.
tim pool
No, you Bill, you come here.
It's like, go home.
You come fish.
adam crigler
It's like, I'm standing on my porch.
Yeah, right.
What are you talking about?
tim pool
That's why I've been like, just like going on Zillow and being like, West Virginia, and you know, like all this Pennsylvania.
Like, I do not want to be by a city.
adam crigler
I agree.
tim pool
Every day there's a reason to be like, you don't want to be here.
You got to fend for yourself and be self-sustainable, but part of a community.
adam crigler
That's the key.
tim pool
Being crammed into a cubicle surrounded by a bunch of people and fighting for space is not... Humans have survived because of community.
adam crigler
Right.
Not by being by themselves.
tim pool
But it's a hybrid.
adam crigler
Working on their own thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
That's not why we're here still.
tim pool
But it's a mix.
You find a place... It's a mix.
adam crigler
But more and more nowadays is the solo greediness that's taking over.
tim pool
Right, exactly.
adam crigler
Because look at what we have.
We have everything.
You know?
It's easy to just go off on your own.
And we're taught to move out of the house, get your own place, get in debt, and then live there until you die.
tim pool
New York is the digitization of culture, of society.
It's like you've got little cubicles.
Everyone lives in their little box.
They don't talk to each other.
They're just a little block in New York.
They know a few people who live in various parts of the city.
How people don't interact with each other, it's busted.
It's broken.
you go to the middle of nowhere you're likely not going to interact with a lot of people either.
adam crigler
Almost the same though.
tim pool
But I gotta say like I've talked to my neighbors more than I've ever talked to a neighbor I've
ever had. What here? Yeah. Okay. Yeah because we all live next to each other and we're on one block
and people say like how do neighbor you just moved in?
And I'm like, howdy.
And then, you know, we talk, they explain, like, oh, you know, so I do this.
When I first moved in, I had a dude pull up in the truck, pulls in front of the house, and he goes like, how's it going?
He's like, see, just moving in.
Yeah, we knew the people who lived here before.
And we talked for a little bit.
And we ended up, I was skating.
We ended up talking for like an hour with a dude in his truck, just like sitting there, leaning out with us.
And we had a conversation.
We talked politics.
Cool.
It's a very moderate neighborhood.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Never happen in New York.
adam crigler
Never.
tim pool
If you're in New York and you like are walking downstairs and like you walk outside and there's somebody from like the next building over and you're like, how's it going neighbor?
They're gonna be like, uh, hi.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna get out of here.
adam crigler
Yeah, I lived in a predominantly black area and actually my neighbors were so racist.
I'm dead serious.
My windows would be open and I would be listening to them sitting on the front porch just complaining about white people.
And everything, it was their fault.
I mean, I'm not... I don't want to get into it, you know?
Like, sure, there's a lot of issues with, you know, race nowadays, but it's like, I didn't want to, like, go say hi to them after that.
It's like, hi, I'm your white neighbor.
I'm not racist or anything, but you sure seem to already hate me.
Great.
lydia smith
Nice to meet you.
adam crigler
Yeah, it was weird.
tim pool
I didn't really know what to do with that.
Have you not got the memo, Adam?
adam crigler
What?
tim pool
only white people can be racist oh that's that's what they actually say or or it's racist right well they're like if i if i say it's not that's not true they will sound they will clip that sound bite of you and say like you know far right adam krigler blah blah Far right to the white man.
Someone's gonna write an article saying proof that vegans can be far right racists and they'll use that clip of you complaining about black people being racist or something.
adam crigler
It's just like, there's racists in every race.
There's cool people in every race.
It's silly when people try to put you in a box.
This is what you are now, forever.
tim pool
Remember when that was the liberal position?
adam crigler
Is that?
tim pool
That's a conservative position.
adam crigler
Now?
Yes.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's changed.
adam crigler
Huh.
tim pool
Yep.
adam crigler
Are you saying I'm conservative now?
tim pool
If you, as a New York... Whoa.
Check this out.
This is hilarious.
You're from Chicago.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
You lived in New York for how many years?
unidentified
16?
adam crigler
17 years?
16 years, I guess.
In Brooklyn mostly?
No, I would say equally between Manhattan, Queens, and Brooklyn.
tim pool
This is why Donald Trump wins.
We lived next to each other in New York.
We went skating.
We played card games.
New York is not a conservative place.
adam crigler
No.
tim pool
We were very much so lefties, and that was an idea that the left used to have, that there's good and bad people of all types and all colors and all creeds.
adam crigler
That's true.
I've been across the world, and that's the truth.
There's cool people everywhere I go.
tim pool
And now guess what?
Because you've said that, and the story you just described about the black people
in your neighborhood being racist.
adam crigler
Yeah, no, no, not all of them.
tim pool
I'm not saying all of them.
adam crigler
Specifically my neighbors.
tim pool
I'm saying your neighbors, right?
You were like, they were racist, they hated white people.
adam crigler
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
Right, of course, any race can be racist.
Yeah.
It's in the definition.
Well, according to mainstream progressive leftism, you are a racist for thinking that
because you're an oppressor.
And you don't understand, see, they're resisting oppression.
So, they argue that racism is prejudice plus power.
Therefore, they can't be racist.
They're allowed to discriminate against you based on the color of your skin because you're an oppressor, because you're white, and you're a male, of all things.
I guess so, huh?
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
So, what used to be the liberal position is now considered conservative.
So conservatives have become this really big tent of former liberals.
adam crigler
I guess so.
tim pool
So what do you think is going to happen when you've got people who, you lived in New York City, like the biggest liberal stronghold in the world, well in the country, I'm not going to say world because it's about our politics, and now you're holding a position that is more aligned with the right than the left?
Yeah, I think.
adam crigler
I'm shocked.
tim pool
Even Joe Biden is pushing further left on these ideas.
adam crigler
Yeah, I don't understand what he's doing.
tim pool
Well, they've become, the left has adopted racism as like a core tenant.
A core tenant.
adam crigler
I guess so.
tim pool
And it's been growing.
It's been getting worse and worse.
adam crigler
And now it's at this point where... I'm so sick of racism as a whole because it's like, it's 2020.
Like everybody bleeds the same color.
Everybody can be an a-hole if they're in a bad mood.
You never know what someone's going through.
You know, it's like empathy needs to be go up through the roof across the board.
And that's, that's really the issue is no one has empathy anymore.
tim pool
And I tell you what, if, you know, there's a lot of factors that cause the modern left to be what it is today.
But I think one of the problems right now as to why this kind of stuff gets ignored is that people, you know, like us, that lived in Brooklyn, that were kind of liberal, I would say it's not necessarily fair to, well, I've been active in news, but more so in the past few years, politics.
There are people just like us, we hang out with every day in Brooklyn, who agree with us on all these policies, They don't watch the news.
They don't engage.
They don't vote.
They're not paying attention.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
And so they end up voting for these people who are overt racists and then don't know or care.
adam crigler
They don't even care.
tim pool
Like, you know, Bernie Sanders in 2016 said, white people don't know what it's like to be poor.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's, that's ridiculous.
And he said, it's like, there's race in general.
There's poor, there's poor people all around the world.
How, how does that make any sense at all?
lydia smith
Yeah, and because whites are a majority, because there are poor white people, lots of white people are poorer.
It's so silly to say that there are no poor whites.
tim pool
I'm backing this up.
You know what?
adam crigler
That proves to me he's in a little bubble and has no idea.
tim pool
No, he does know.
He lied.
I'm backing this up.
adam crigler
So it's a bald-faced lie then.
tim pool
So I'm doing this because I'm tired of people telling me that Bernie never said that.
Bernie Sanders said, when you're white, you don't know what it's like to be poor.
PolitiFact rated it false.
Bernie Sanders said it on the stage.
He said, quote, when you're white, you don't know what it's like to be living in a ghetto.
You don't know what it's like to be poor.
You don't know what it's like to be hassled when you walk down the street or you get dragged out of a car, Sanders said.
Several readers asked us to take a closer look at Sanders' comments that when you're white, you don't know what it's like to be poor, and they read it as false.
Why?
Because white Americans make up the largest number of people in poverty.
When you look at the population density to poverty, African Americans are more likely to be impoverished, but there are still about twice as many white people who are in poverty.
Why would Bernie Sanders say that?
adam crigler
Pandering?
tim pool
pandering, because he knows, because he's from Vermont.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
He used to be moderate on gun rights, pretty much in favor of, because these blue states up in the Northeast are pro-2A.
Yeah.
He started pandering.
And so I do see people like, you know, Joe Rogan, for instance, Joe Rogan's fantastic, but he did say in that one, you know, now famous segment, Bernie's been consistent all this time.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
How are you going to take a dude from the Northeast, which is predominantly white, who's fought for union rights and it's all about, you know, civil rights, have him come out and say this and then argue that he's been consistent?
This to me was like, I was a big fan of Bernie and then I watched that debate and I was like, what?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
It's like, whoa, he's embracing racism, man.
Yeah.
These are the leaders you get when you don't pay attention.
And then how many people do you know in New York were like big fans of Bernie even to this day?
adam crigler
Not many, honestly.
tim pool
Really?
adam crigler
They walked away or what?
Honestly, my crew are skaters or gamers.
I don't know.
tim pool
Dude, I was watching skate videos on Instagram.
It's what dominated skate videos.
Skaters were always kind of lefty, lefty libertarian.
I remember watching this documentary where it was these skateboarders talking about how the perfect thing about skateboarding is that racism is completely erased.
adam crigler
That's true.
tim pool
It doesn't matter what your race is, where you come from, what your religion is.
It's all about the tricks.
It's all about the culture, the community.
adam crigler
And your flow.
tim pool
Everyone's cool with each other.
If you show up, nobody is questioning your race.
They're questioning your tricks, your style.
You know, you talk big game.
adam crigler
No, no, no.
No one's questioning, period.
You're in the fold.
You show up on a board, you're in the fold.
It doesn't matter what you look like, what you're wearing, it does not matter.
If you're there trying, you're in the fold.
tim pool
What I mean about questioning is they're not going to be like, oh, you're this race.
They're going to be like, yo, bro, I heard you got that mad tre flip.
I heard you got that tre flip down El Toro.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
And they're going to be like, oh, I almost didn't.
It's like, whoa.
But I grew up with that, and it was pretty lefty back in the day, and I've actually interviewed a bunch of skateboarders, like it was a couple years ago I did this, and they were all, this was like two, three years ago maybe, they were Bernie supporters.
And I went to a skate park, asked people, and they were like, yeah, I'm down with Bernie.
He seems like a really cool guy.
I was watching a skate video today, and this pro skateboarder, in his clip, on a mini ramp, Gadsden flags.
You know who that is?
adam crigler
No.
tim pool
Don't tread on me.
adam crigler
Oh, really?
tim pool
Libertarian.
Love it.
And there are some really high-profile pros who follow me and hit me up all the time.
And it's kind of crazy, because these are people I used to look up to when I was younger.
Now, liking my posts and hitting me up.
And they are no longer aligned with whatever the left used to be.
Skateboarders, man!
And that's the weird thing.
It's like, these people try to accuse me of being, you know, right-wing or conservative or whatever.
And it's like, dude, are you admitting that you lost me?
Because I was a street punk on the south side of Chicago skateboarding.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And you can get mad at me, and you can accuse me of all these things.
But you gotta recognize what you've done to where you're losing the skateboarders.
The anti-authoritarian, lefty, urban dwellers.
adam crigler
People who, like... I mean, if I were to guess, libertarian makes more sense to me for skateboarders.
Leave me alone, let me skate.
tim pool
But you can be left libertarian or right libertarian.
adam crigler
Yeah, okay, I guess.
tim pool
So it's like hippies on a farm versus, you know, a small business entrepreneur who's running his own skate shop.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Yeah, so for me, I grew up, like, I've always been very... It's funny, too, because a lot of people in American politics don't understand how, like, the political spectrum works.
Basically, libertarian leaning towards cooperation is left, libertarian leaning towards competitive markets is right.
So if you're like, hey man, you do your thing, I'll do mine, I'm gonna sell skateboards and run a business, then that's more like leaning right.
But if you're like, hey, let's all rent a house together and we can pitch in to buy a bunch of skateboards so it'll be cheaper for us.
adam crigler
What's dead center between that?
tim pool
Just balance between both.
So here's the thing that I used to do with my friends.
We would order bulk skateboards because if we all pitched in, it would be like 13 bucks a board instead of 30 or 40.
That's like a lefty thing to do.
It's like, hey guys, if you pitch in, we can order 20 boards.
Everybody gets two.
It'll be 26 bucks.
You'll get two boards instead of spending 30 at the mall when you needed a board.
So we'd all pitch in.
Or we would do something where it's like everybody pitches in to rent a space.
adam crigler
We should get a Timcast board.
tim pool
Make skateboards?
If I could get, I don't know, Deluxe to make boards, I'd totally be down.
That's my point.
There are a lot of skateboarders who are totally right libertarian as well.
When I grew up, I didn't know very many people who were overtly political in skateboarding.
Very much about freedom.
Today, everyone's way more political, and it seems like more of the skateboarders are right libertarian.
Like, very, you know, Gadsden flags, don't tread on me.
Makes sense, skateboarders want to be left alone to do their thing.
adam crigler
Yep, they want to skate.
tim pool
This is what you get with political pandering.
And like you were saying just a minute ago, that, you know, everybody can be racist.
It doesn't matter who you are.
That's exactly the message I got when I was a kid growing up watching these pro skateboarders and how they viewed the world.
And it was very strange to me going to Occupy Wall Street and hearing these people say, in fact, that's wrong, Tim.
Only white people are racist.
And I was like, well that can't be right.
I grew up in an area of Chicago that was a mixed race.
We had Latino, we had black, we had white, we had immigrants from Eastern Europe.
And there was a lot of people who hated a lot of people.
Made assumptions about everybody.
And we hung out with a bunch of different people and I couldn't understand it.
I was like, how can you tell me this?
White people don't know what it's like to be poor.
The neighborhood I grew up in was white trash.
You know, like people were ODing.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
But we were standing right alongside the minorities.
And that was a weird thing to me, too, because he says, you don't know what it's like to get hassled walking down the street or dragged out of your car.
I'm like, what?
That happened to me a couple of times.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
What do you mean?
Well, I guess I'm a minority, so sure, whatever.
But my friends, I knew I knew I knew friends like the one dude I lived with who was a white dude.
We had cops kick our door at gunpoint and give us the business.
It's like, Bernie Sanders had to know that he was full of it when he said this.
This was in 2016.
And so I've been watching this happen, the political pandering, and the de-evolution, I guess, or the excising of the rational, liberal mind from the left.
That's what they say now, the left is no longer liberal.
They kicked everybody out.
adam crigler
Yeah.
Where are the liberals then?
They're in the center.
Center left, but that looks like right if you're way over there.
tim pool
Exactly.
If you're on the far left, everyone's to your right.
That's actually the joke.
It's like they have the political compass and the top left, the authoritarian left, is hope and change and then everything else is far right.
And it is. And you know what the craziest things, I always tell people to do this, if you haven't done this, take the
Political Compass test.
I think it's politicalcompass.org.
Now Ben Shapiro's had some choice words for it, saying it's like left-leaning, it's biased.
Take it anyway and see what it says.
It doesn't mean it's true.
But what's really fascinating is, I've done this several times where I've told people, take the test.
And they're adamant they're conservative.
They take it and they're left libertarian.
Mm.
Because the mainstream has become so far left, they think they're conservatives.
Like, everything you said about anybody can be racist, I assure you there's many people who feel the exact same way, consider themselves conservatives because they feel that way.
adam crigler
Right, alright.
But they're not, they're libertarian.
tim pool
Well, you go on YouTube... Probably left libertarian.
Well, they might be.
Or they might be centrists.
adam crigler
I think I was, like, right in the middle, just north of you.
Like, you were actually lower than I was.
tim pool
Yeah, I was further left and a little bit more left and a little bit more libertarian than you were.
You were, like, traditional liberal.
adam crigler
Yeah, right in the middle.
tim pool
I was like, totally socialist.
I did the compass test and it was titled like, Tim Pool is a communist.
Because my results were like, far left libertarian.
lydia smith
Yeah, like you've been saying all along.
tim pool
I know.
I took the test and I'm like, here's the answer to the question, here's how I feel about it,
here's why I'm explaining all my answers.
But to these people it's all about tribe, I guess.
Or it's ideology.
Like, what Bernie Sanders said about white people being poor has nothing to do with cooperation and freedom.
At all.
It's just racism.
I oppose that.
adam crigler
What was his point?
What was he trying to do, do you think?
tim pool
He was trying to get votes.
adam crigler
From the non-white?
tim pool
From the activist base of the Democratic Party.
Here's how I felt.
I was at, I'm pretty sure, there's this guy, his name is, he's got a podcast called Quite Frankly.
I'm pretty sure I was at his studio and we were watching this debate in 2016.
I could be wrong.
Maybe I'm misremembering.
But I swear, at the time, here's what I felt.
Watching Bernie Sanders say that, the first thing I thought was, he knows he's lying and he's really struggling to say these words.
Like, it looked like he knew it wasn't true.
adam crigler
Yeah, you can tell sometimes when someone's lying.
And they're just, like, fighting it.
But they gotta say it, I guess.
tim pool
But it wasn't so much that he was, like, lying.
It was that he was struggling to say it.
Because he knew he was crossing a line.
He knew this was the point where he was becoming that machine, the fake politician.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
I remember hearing him talk about gun rights, and he says, it was an urban versus rural debate.
You know, it's different in cities as it is in the country.
And I was like, my man.
adam crigler
That's a good point.
tim pool
And that's like, how do we rectify this?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Today, he's like on stage saying, like, no, the NRA hates me.
I'm not about that.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, I didn't understand that either.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
On immigration? A year ago.
Yeah, I didn't understand that either.
He's like, we can't have open borders, my god, there's too many poor people.
Today, we need to decriminalize it, let everyone come and get free healthcare, break up CBP.
And I'm like, what?
adam crigler
Nah.
tim pool
It's all the same game, man. I can't stand these people.
I also can't stand talking about it if we don't have to, so.
We're supposed to talk about this guy who wants to watch the world burn, so.
lydia smith
We should do that.
adam crigler
Oh, we haven't even gotten to that yet.
lydia smith
We haven't even gotten to it.
tim pool
Well, that means, you know, we're doing well, I guess.
adam crigler
You're ranting today.
tim pool
Yeah.
Well, it's because you brought up that point, and I was like, oh, you got me going.
adam crigler
I guess so.
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
Sure did.
adam crigler
It's my fault.
Blame me, everybody.
tim pool
Stacy, uh, we'll try and grab these Super Chats.
Stacey Ellis says, just because you swore.
20 bucks.
Appreciate it.
adam crigler
Nice.
Alright.
Get something out of it.
tim pool
Mr. Nice Guy says, I'm afraid we may already be at the point of no return.
The totalitarian tiptoe tends to sneak its way into society.
By the time we catch it, it may be too late.
Keep up the great work y'all do.
Thank you very much.
adam crigler
Appreciate it.
tim pool
Snafu says, how can you trust a guy, Fauci, who is paid by Big Pharma and who has worked in the government since Clinton's administration?
Everybody gets a grain of salt, or I'm sorry, that's the wrong way to phrase it.
Everybody gets a grain of sand, right?
How many grains of sand make a heap?
I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.
You know, I'm not gonna start necessarily believing every word they say.
You know, but I'll hear what they have to say.
adam crigler
I'm gonna do my own research.
tim pool
Right.
In the long term.
Rarface, thanks for becoming a member.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
Matthew Hunter says, how much do I need to donate to get you guys to learn how to use Skype?
I want to see some guests already.
It's not so much that we don't know how to use it.
It's two things.
There's a weird problem with it on this computer.
Like when I was doing the Skype with Crowder, it was weirdly choppy, like the frame rate fell apart.
I don't know what it is.
adam crigler
Whatever.
tim pool
I could probably fix it.
It's also because I don't want Skype.
We were flying people out.
We were setting up legit interviews with people.
adam crigler
We'll bring it back.
lydia smith
It is coming back.
I'm excited.
tim pool
I'm not saying we can't do Skype.
I'm just saying I was trying to resist it.
adam crigler
Well, once they prove to us that they have their immunity card.
lydia smith
That's right.
All they have to do is show us that.
adam crigler
They've got to show us their immunity card and then we'll allow them into our house.
tim pool
Muffin says, I'm a Subverse investor, and he asked a similar question, looking for an update on Subverse.
I will definitely reach out to the team literally after this is over, and we'll get something set up for everybody.
Perpetual Punster says, Tim, Soy Jesus free market capitalism doesn't include bailouts.
And Lydia, how many skill points did you put into video switching?
Damn, you're good.
There you go.
adam crigler
She's on it.
tim pool
Carl Schneider says, wishing you all happiness and health from the United States, California.
There you go.
Skip Kishi says, Tim, they want your DNA because they will copyright it and then charge you money for DNA therapies in the future.
Wow, I hope not.
lydia smith
That would not be nice.
tim pool
Che Diem says it's because they were selling the DNA information to health insurance providers.
They would then either hike up the cost or deny you coverage if they were able to see you have a genetic predisposition for a certain disease.
adam crigler
Oof, interesting.
tim pool
David Banning says, Hi Tim.
My question is, what do you think of the burden of unemployment falling on essential works and possible tax increases to help support unemployed Americans?
Also, what are your thoughts on embiotic stem cells antibodies?
I don't know enough about those to actually answer, for the most part.
I can answer when it comes to tax increases for unemployed Americans.
We already have unemployment for Americans.
Whenever we create these programs, we end up just slapping Band-Aids on them instead of fixing them.
So I would prefer to solve these issues instead of, you know, just increase taxes again, and then pay more, and then increase taxes again, and just keep recycling these programs.
I would say that I lean left because I'm totally in favor of unemployment and welfare, food benefits, and all these things.
The problem is that when they get dirty and broken, we don't fix them.
We just dump money on it, and it never gets fixed.
adam crigler
Yeah, and there's many situations where someone will get used to it and just keep using it.
unidentified
Right.
To keep, you know... You get addicted to it.
tim pool
Or you get trapped in it.
adam crigler
Get used to it.
Or you get trapped.
That's a good point.
Even worse.
tim pool
David Carpenter says, Tim, you finally said what I've been thinking for months.
Biden is the numbing drug the corporations are pushing on the populace.
Go back to when everything was fine before the orange man.
Truth wouldn't matter.
Thoughts?
Yeah, maybe.
Maybe that's it.
It's just, don't care about Joe Biden.
Just, you know, he's gonna quiet everything down.
You can cover your ears, put on your hamburger earmuffs, and close your eyes.
Just ignore everything.
Yeah.
adam crigler
Smart.
tim pool
Sumotacular says, one negative I can think of on the DNA topic.
Who owns your genetic data at that point?
If it's sold to a pharmaceutical company and they develop something based off of your code somehow, shouldn't you be compensated?
Oh man, I wouldn't want someone using my DNA for anything.
adam crigler
Same here.
tim pool
I don't know.
What if they used all of human DNA to give people superpowers?
adam crigler
Who knows?
tim pool
Yeah, it would never happen.
They'd probably just subjugate you.
adam crigler
No one would know about it.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
I'll look into it.
Antonio says, Hi Tim, have researched anything about the Stanford epidemiologists with the
alternative theory about the death rate?
If they are right, and I think they are looking at the data, this could be a game changer.
I'll look into it.
unidentified
Yeah, I don't know.
tim pool
Kevin says, Keep the conversation going.
This way it's lovely.
Self gratification and the consequences.
We all have to make sacrifices.
Working well is my sacrifice and living strong is the consequence.
Religion over PlayStation.
Tim Clark says, One concern.
employers owning your DNA is in the future we may be able to tell how long a
person will live, how long until age-related diseases start, when they get
cancer, etc. allowing for gene-based discrimination in the workforce. I mean
but that would be illegal we'd have civil rights law.
Grizzly Jack says I think there needs to be a YouTube competitor like Pepsi and
Coke, Apple and Microsoft.
Do you think starting a YouTube competitor would be like David vs. Goliath?
Do you think a video website can be just as successful?
No, because YouTube isn't just a video provider.
They've condensed a bunch of different markets, like ad agencies.
Not only are they the ad buyer, they're the ad seller, and the video hosting, and the censor.
They have centralized everything to the point where Like, Vimeo can't succeed because they don't do the partner program the same way.
So the economic incentives aren't there.
It's much more difficult to start a business.
So, while YouTube has made things easy, they've made it impossible for people to compete, and then they can shut out anybody who dare oppose them.
adam crigler
Frightening.
tim pool
Mr. Paul says, Government could be implanting nanotechnology in you and track without cell phone.
Feed is stuttering jumping.
Have you checked out nanodust?
Could be in the decontamination of areas.
Skate safely, dudes.
Justin4 says, unjust laws should be disregarded.
xgo says, can you create a hand signal to notify us if you're ever caught up by CIA to promote a false story?
Maybe you roll up your sleeve and sigh.
I would quit, hands down.
If I had government people come to me and say, here's your story, I'd be like, nope.
lydia smith
You'd never see Tim again?
tim pool
You would never see me again.
It would just be over.
adam crigler
Black bagged.
tim pool
Yeah.
Sorry, later.
Or, you know, they'd probably just leave.
You know, but I think the reason why that would never happen is they would know if they came to me and said, we want you to push propaganda.
I would leak it in two seconds.
I'd be like, let me just post that to Twitter real quick and let everyone know that you're here.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
I mean, as soon as the car pulled up, I'd be live streaming like, Hey, look, a bunch of, you know, men in black with, you know, have come here with just letting you know, in case I'm never seen again.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Jordan said, well, I mean, I, and I will also say though, that, that being said, I am very pro America and.
I think there's something about pulling the wool over the American people's eyes, which I'm never gonna do.
But I'd be willing to help the government in efforts that would pertain to, like, protecting the Constitution, saving American lives.
So it's like, I don't know what that might be.
But the point is, if somebody invaded the shores of America, I'll be on their front line defending America for sure.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
If someone came to me and said, we want you to lie to the American people, I'd be like, no, I'm, I believe in defending the American people.
I believe in the constitution.
I wouldn't do that.
adam crigler
But you know, I think the American people can handle it.
tim pool
Can handle the truth.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
I agree.
I think the truth is the easiest way there.
You know, there's people who just think you have to lie.
It's in and you trust in people.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Look, I understand people can be dumb, but if you give someone a simple, I guess the problem is they're evil people who prime, who anchor people into stupid ideas.
Yep.
So it makes it difficult, you know?
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
Jordan says Mr. Poole, they have vehicle checkpoints here in the Philippines.
If anybody breaks quarantine without good reason, they're shot.
That's what I've heard.
James says, Blades and Starts.
Alright.
Sword of Damocles.
Texas Sheriff's Deputy here.
You will find the political structure of a city-state determines how authoritarian a police force is.
Spirit of the Law vs. Letter of the Law.
Totally.
Dylan Nelson says, When you first started this channel, you claimed you would be eating pie.
Why not now?
Buy yourselves a pie and enjoy.
My favorite is pumpkin.
What's yours?
We don't have pie, but we do have some of that Chuck Schumer cheesecake.
That, you know, Chuck Schumer did that bit where he was like, I have this cheesecake and he spent like $8,000 on it.
lydia smith
And everyone was mad about it for a little while for no reason.
tim pool
Because his expense is like $50 cheesecake.
Well, I ordered one.
It's very good.
adam crigler
It smells good.
lydia smith
Yep.
tim pool
It's really good.
lydia smith
That's what we came up with.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
And for everybody who's been bugging me about putting my beanie back on, I put it on.
Are you happy now?
lydia smith
Very happy.
tim pool
People were like crying and screaming.
adam crigler
I keep seeing it randomly throughout the entire episode as people keep saying like, why isn't he wearing the beanie?
All right, beanie engaged.
tim pool
Excellent.
Let's see, Robin says, fun ninja fact, shuriken were used mostly by samurai, not ninja.
They were annoying to carry when being stealthy, and better at intimidating unarmored troops and causing pain to the horse of riders.
Wow, interesting.
Zach Smith says, the Michigan governor decided to ban the sale of seeds and use of any boat with a motor.
What?
unidentified
What?
tim pool
He can't even go fishing?
adam crigler
That's crazy.
tim pool
What are your thoughts on the current dystopia?
Also, what's up Zoey Jesus?
adam crigler
What up?
tim pool
It's nowhere near as fun as I thought it was gonna be.
adam crigler
Nope.
tim pool
That's what gets me the most, like, frustrated.
adam crigler
My life really doesn't feel like it's changed much.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
I mean, I'm here, like, hyped to get off work to go play this game I've been waiting for for 20 years.
Yeah, I'm working right now, man.
unidentified
What?
adam crigler
I mean, I happen to love my job, but... That's right.
All right, go ahead, go ahead.
tim pool
All right, I'm going to try and get through these super chats, because we got to do this guy who wants to watch the world burn, huh?
Yeah, I'm excited.
Tyler says, DNA collection issue.
If they can find genes that are linked to tendencies, they can theoretically control you easier.
Also, thank you, Adam, for suggesting my new favorite TV show, The Expanse.
adam crigler
Great show.
tim pool
Yeah, good show.
adam crigler
Oh, awesome.
Yeah, it's a great show.
tim pool
Victor says, Tim, I used to be rational just like you.
No.
Always had a sane explanation for all these conspiracies.
Then you're gonna go down that hole and see actual government docs and
verifiable connections and quotes, boom.
Mm, I don't think so.
I've read so much weird, creepy government docs.
You know who Michael Hastings is?
adam crigler
No.
tim pool
He was a journalist.
adam crigler
Sounds familiar, actually.
tim pool
He was working on a story about some general or something.
He goes to his neighbor's house and asks to borrow her car.
She says no.
He says somebody, I saw somebody under my car earlier and I don't trust it.
Later, like within a day or so, he was speeding, he was driving full speed down like Wilshire Boulevard or something in LA.
I don't know which boulevard he was on.
And crashed into a tree, burst into flames, and like died instantly.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
A journalist working on a story to expose the government said he saw someone under his car and was worried for his life.
And then his car crashed.
lydia smith
At high speed.
tim pool
At high speed.
lydia smith
Yep.
Weird.
tim pool
This was around the time when people were talking about car hacking too.
Look, I've seen all this stuff, man. Trust me.
Journalists should be a bit conspiratorial.
J- uh, JPinst says, Please investigate COVID-19 death disparity.
The media declared it's due to racism, yet specialists believe it's related to inefficient vitamin D. Sunlight generation supports respiratory system.
Same occurring in other countries.
I did hear, I think it was from the Surgeon General, that it's actually cultural, that many people in the black community think they can't catch it.
Like something went on, went, yeah.
And he's, it was some story, I could be wrong about this, but he was saying like, come on, nah, this is not true.
And so you're seeing videos of people ignoring lockdown, saying, I can do whatever I want.
lydia smith
That's why he's under fire right now.
tim pool
Oh, is that it?
lydia smith
He called him out.
He's like, let's take this seriously.
Oh no, he's a traitor.
unidentified
Yep.
lydia smith
Okay.
tim pool
Mixmaster Roshi says, so the COVID-19 bill is setting aside money for religious institutions.
How is that legal as they are not a vital business?
And the constitution says the government may not endorse or fund religion.
I didn't know that they were, and I agree they shouldn't be doing that either.
adam crigler
I agree also.
tim pool
That also entertain, you know, brings up another problem of, Can they shut down churches?
They should be able to.
adam crigler
Or start taxing them.
tim pool
Should they tax churches?
adam crigler
I said, or start taxing them.
tim pool
Yeah, well, I don't think they can and I don't think they should.
I think that they function the same thing as a 501c3.
So it's weird to me to see people say, like, churches should be taxed or whatever, and I'm like, then every non-profit should be taxed.
I don't know.
What's the difference?
You know, they do the same thing.
adam crigler
Well, I wasn't calling for it.
I was just adding to the list.
tim pool
No, I'm not saying you were.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
I'm saying, like, that's one thing that's been popping up lately.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Where they're like, oh, they're essential businesses and they should be taxed.
And I'm like, nonprofits are businesses.
They could be essential.
We don't tax them.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
You know what I mean?
And they're operating, especially homeless shelters.
Austin Laverty says, Australian art student, you say?
Oy, crikey.
I'm not gonna read that one.
Wild?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, sorry man, I can't read it.
Not on YouTube.
Will Charlton says, I noticed your interest, respect for rural living.
Really like to hear you riff on cultural pressure, only going from high to low density populations, not low to high.
Grew up in country, married city girl, can't convince her of the plus side of rural.
I know people who grew up in the suburbs who want to live in the city.
People who grew up rural want to live in the city.
I know people who live in the city who want to live in the city.
I know very few people who want to move rural.
You know?
adam crigler
I know a few people actually that were born in New York and couldn't wait to get out of New York.
But you know what?
It changes because there's billions of us and we're all different.
Completely different.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
We all are different people, humans.
tim pool
Totally.
I know a decent amount of people who want to live a role.
Most people I know don't.
I mean, maybe they'll change now.
adam crigler
I mean, the internet changed everything.
Yeah, totally.
I play games with one of my homies in New York, and I lived in New York for a long time, and we never hung out in person.
But we gamed all the time, and I still game with him all the time.
You know, it's like I could be anywhere in the world and still have that.
tim pool
Totally.
Give me good internet and I can run my business.
adam crigler
Exactly.
tim pool
Joey says, Tim, you gotta look for property in Indiana where we have gig internet and it's cheap AF to live there.
They got gig internet in West Virginia.
You gotta find the right spot, but they got it.
Sword Logic says, this show is perfect for my shifts at work operating photo radar.
Thanks for having me pass the time while I serve my community in these trying times.
Hey, appreciate it, man.
adam crigler
Yeah, thanks.
tim pool
Dan Roland says, Revelations 13, 16 to 18.
Romans 12, 17 to 21.
13, 18 through 9, listen to Mike Lindell, happy Easter, and God bless everyone.
Sounds good.
Ward says, never going to give you up, never going to let you down, and desert you, never going to make you cry, never going to say goodbye and hurt you.
Tom says, great question for Tim, where does your phrase stars and garters come from?
I have no idea.
lydia smith
It's super old school.
adam crigler
Yeah, where does that come from?
lydia smith
It's probably an old movie.
tim pool
No, I probably saw it in a cartoon when I was a little kid or something.
adam crigler
Yeah, maybe.
tim pool
Oh, my stars and garters.
Google it.
I have no idea.
I saw it on TV when I was a kid.
Matthew says, Come to Wyoming.
Low taxes.
Lots of room.
Five cows per person.
unidentified
Whoa!
tim pool
Five cows per person per square mile.
Kanye likes it here.
adam crigler
That sounds stinky.
tim pool
How's the internet, though?
adam crigler
Cows are stinky.
tim pool
Cows are stinky?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But cows are cool, man.
adam crigler
They are really cool, actually.
tim pool
Yeah, I like cows.
adam crigler
They're cool.
They are cool animals.
tim pool
America Float says, Bernie sucks, no refunds.
Frustrated Omegle, thanks for becoming a member.
adam crigler
Appreciate it.
tim pool
Bobcat says, no matter how bad things get, remember we are all in this together.
The authoritarians cannot win if we simply ignore them.
Right on.
TLR says, hey Lydia, nice bread.
They shut down boating here, even if you have a private boat slip.
unidentified
Oof.
lydia smith
Oh man.
unidentified
Wow.
lydia smith
Not fair.
adam crigler
It's rough.
tim pool
Zach says, Hey Tim, I'm getting into skating and specifically longboarding.
What's your opinion on longboarding?
Um, I don't really have one.
adam crigler
Go on.
tim pool
I don't really have one.
adam crigler
Oh no.
Yeah.
You never really, you were never a longboarder.
No.
Um, well I started as a longboarder and longboarding is great for distance skating or speed skating.
You can't really go 50, 60 miles an hour down a mountain on a shortboard.
You need a longboard for that.
And it is incredibly fun to do that.
I don't know if you know about downhill skating, but yeah, it's all about what kind of skating
you want to do.
And I taught skateboarding for a long time in a skate school in New York.
And the number one thing I would say to someone who asked me what kind of board should I get
is go into a skate shop and try standing on all sorts.
Every skate shop is going to let you stand on different boards.
Stand on them all.
Try them all out.
Find the one that you're comfortable with.
If you're just going to be going to and fro, then you don't really need a short board.
Get a longer board with bigger wheels.
That's, you know, it's all about what you're going to do with it.
So if you want a trick, you want to do a skate park, get a classic skateboard because it's significantly more fun, you know, in those kind of environments.
tim pool
We can go a little longer for the last segment, but I want to ask you, do you think we should talk about this guy?
We kept saying we're gonna talk about this guy who's saying, let the businesses fall.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Or the guy who's got the private air force.
unidentified
Ooh.
Oh man, the private air force is cool.
tim pool
We should do the private air force.
adam crigler
Yeah, I don't know.
Let's see.
Well, should we ask the chat?
I don't know.
tim pool
There's a minute delay.
adam crigler
A minute delay.
Would you rather us talk about a private Air Force with this guy who's got like over 40 fighter jets or this guy who rags on the billionaires and the corporations getting a bailout?
That they shouldn't be getting anything, you know?
lydia smith
Super free market, baby.
adam crigler
So this is a live question.
We're supposed to be ending in four minutes, and we're definitely going to go over.
unidentified
Take a little longer.
adam crigler
Because who cares?
So, alright, everyone seems... I mean, I said Air Force first.
tim pool
Private Air Force.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
It seems that Air Force is winning.
tim pool
Private Air Force.
adam crigler
I mean, the business fail guy, it's interesting.
Nah, nah, Air Force wins.
tim pool
Private Air Force.
adam crigler
All I see is Air Force.
Alright, we're doing the Air Force, and that's because you guys chose it.
So that's great.
Let's go over to Tim.
Let's go to Tim.
Tim, take it away.
tim pool
Check out this story.
The War Zone.
This man owns the world's most advanced private air force after buying 46 F-A-18 Hornets.
We talked to the owner of Air USA about probably the most incredible private aircraft purchase of all time and the future of his adversary business.
adam crigler
Adversary business.
tim pool
Look at this.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
I can't believe this is real.
I gotta be honest.
Is this guy like super rich or something?
adam crigler
Is that a kangaroo on the side there?
It is.
That's a kangaroo.
Look, right behind his head.
That is totally a kangaroo.
tim pool
And you can see a guy like Tiger.
unidentified
Check this out.
tim pool
First I want to show you some pictures.
Let me actually increase the... Let me zoom in on this.
adam crigler
That's his new Air Force team.
unidentified
Wow.
adam crigler
Dude, I mean, this is the reason I wanted to be in the Air Force.
I mean, my uncle was in the Air Force also, but I wanted to fly those planes.
But I'm colorblind, and I have glasses, so nope, not allowed to fly planes.
So that, you know, have you ever seen Little Miss Sunshine?
yeah a long time ago so the son talking about flying jets in the grand dad is like odyssey
know that uh... you know he's colorblind so he can't
and i can't like freaks out and just like screaming in the sky
yeah that was me i mean i wasn't screaming about it but i i definitely
was bombs because when i was like eight-year-old me might one of the first games ever had was this it was after
burner It was a little tiny cockpit, like, you know, you had the little thing and you'd accelerate the plane and all it was was just a little arcade, like move to the left or the right to avoid stuff or shoot.
But man, I loved it and I just wanted to be a fighter pilot and I found out I couldn't.
tim pool
Gotta have perfect vision.
adam crigler
So I'm a little jealous of this guy.
He's got 46 planes.
Well, I guess if you privately own a fighter... So that's what I need to do.
tim pool
Yeah, and they get clearance to fly it, I guess.
adam crigler
Or just befriend this dude.
He's got a couple extras to spare.
tim pool
Here's what they say.
For the last 30 years, Don Curlin has been flying for the airlines, working on real estate deals, setting up the world's biggest skydiving meets, and building a private air force the likes of which even he has a hard time believing is possible.
Just last month, the War Zone was among the first to report that his company would be purchasing multiple squadrons worth of surplus Royal Australian Air Force RAAF FA-18 Hornets to be used in the contractor adversary air support role here in the United States.
Not only do we have all the details on that purchase, which is even more impressive than it initially seemed, but we talked at length with the entrepreneur owner of Air USA located in Quincy, Illinois.
Wow.
adam crigler
Oh, wow.
tim pool
About his company's past and what is turning into a remarkable, if not downright historic future.
So is this like private air security?
lydia smith
It's for his company.
adam crigler
It sounds like it.
What, security for his company?
lydia smith
Well, I think this is, it sounds like it's run by his company.
tim pool
Well, yeah.
lydia smith
That's what it sounds like to me.
It sounds like it might not just be his.
tim pool
So I don't want to read through the basic history of his company, not to be disrespectful to his company.
I want to hear about what he's going to be doing with these things.
adam crigler
Yes.
tim pool
Check this out.
Enter the most spectacular private aircraft purchase of all time.
Air USA's acquisition of all of the Royal Australian Air Force's remaining F-18AB Hornets.
Canada had bought 25 prior to this deal going through.
The Jets Air USA is slated to receive 46 in total, of which 36 are flying today, will be replaced by the F-35A Joint Strike Fighter within the RAAF's ranks, and thus will be totally retired from service by the end of 2021.
Damn, I'd take one, man.
adam crigler
I want one.
tim pool
How much do you think it costs for them to buy?
Did they mention?
adam crigler
That was the first thing I bought in GTA V was the Hydra.
The plane that could, the Harrier, that could just go off and fly.
tim pool
But these things can't do that, right?
adam crigler
No, no, I don't think so.
tim pool
So they're talking a bit about configurations and stuff.
All of Air USA's second-hand Hornets feature AN-APG-73 radar.
The same one that is found on the FA-18CD, and this is a lot of jargon for me, on the Super Hornets that differ from the less capable AN-APG-65 radar.
lydia smith
I have no idea what that means.
tim pool
I'm trying to figure out what the cost of this and what it's going to do with them.
Right.
adam crigler
How much did it cost?
tim pool
Check this out, the jets also come with their Northrop Grumman AN-AAQ-28 Lightning Advanced Targeting Pods, which are hugely capable in the air-to-ground targeting and non-traditional reconnaissance realm, as well as for positively identifying aircraft visually at long ranges.
You can read all about this function and its value in this past piece of ours.
In addition, the Hornets come with 68 Joint Helmet Mounting Cueing Systems, which offers helmet-mounted display capability and drastically increases a pilot's situational awareness And high-off-boresight targeting for close-range air-to-air missiles.
lydia smith
That sounds like Iron Man.
tim pool
Seriously!
lydia smith
It does!
tim pool
This will make it easier for these aggressor jets to simulate foreign capabilities of a similar nature.
But what are they going to do?
adam crigler
Like, what does he do with these?
Someone tagged me and they said that they're using them to be the adversaries in training for the Air Force.
So they're not facing each other, they're facing another group.
I don't know if that's true, but I do appreciate you guys all tagging me randomly.
It's pretty good.
It's for training.
Some other people are saying it to me.
They learned to dogfight with each other.
It's pretty cool.
It's not a part of the Air Force, so this is the team I need to get on.
That's what I'm talking about!
tim pool
Will they let you fly even?
Will they have similar conditioning?
adam crigler
No, I have no idea.
I'm not sure.
tim pool
I want to know what the price is.
lydia smith
What is this?
$70 million a piece.
unidentified
What?
lydia smith
Yep.
adam crigler
Someone tagged me and said $33 million per plane.
lydia smith
Oh, this says the unit cost is the 2017 flyaway cost was $70.5 million.
adam crigler
Where is that?
Is that in here somewhere?
tim pool
Per jet.
Yeah.
$70 million.
Wait, how much?
adam crigler
Wait, is that brand new though?
lydia smith
Yeah, it must be.
adam crigler
But these are used, weren't they?
tim pool
So $33 million makes sense.
lydia smith
That does make sense.
Okay.
tim pool
So $18 billion.
unidentified
$46 million.
tim pool
Did he spend a billion dollars?
lydia smith
Possibly.
adam crigler
That's crazy.
tim pool
Wait, am I doing my math wrong?
That's a billion dollars, right?
adam crigler
I don't know.
tim pool
Let me see.
33 times 46.
Oh, 46?
Yeah.
lydia smith
I thought it was 18 for some reason.
tim pool
He bought 46.
unidentified
1.5.
lydia smith
Yeah.
adam crigler
1.5 billion.
1.5 billion.
tim pool
Wow, man.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
I gotta become a billionaire.
lydia smith
Yes.
adam crigler
So that I can buy... No, no, you don't need 40 of them.
lydia smith
You need like one.
tim pool
Two.
lydia smith
Okay, okay.
tim pool
You're right, I need 80 of them.
adam crigler
You need your summertime jet and the wintertime jet.
lydia smith
He needs 80 of them.
Oh my gosh.
adam crigler
Sometimes you want to put the top down, you know?
tim pool
Check this out.
Here's what they say.
It says, JTACs need to get time on the mic with real aircraft overhead in both day and nighttime conditions to get accustomed to organizing the three-dimensional airspace overhead in relationship to the battle space on the ground.
and effectively, safely, and efficiently call in airstrikes on enemy targets.
This is an incredibly complex and high stakes job, but using high performance fighters in the
Pentagon's inventory that cost at least $20,000 an hour to train with is horribly cost ineffective.
As such, being able to provide far less expensive assets via the contractor marketplace
for some of this training has become a major priority.
adam crigler
Yep, so it's training.
tim pool
Dude, you mean to tell me this guy has got a lucrative business and all these fighter jets.
When the zombie apocalypse happens, this guy's got air superiority.
lydia smith
That is so cool.
tim pool
Isn't the American war doctrine based on air superiority or something?
That's a big part of what we do.
adam crigler
That's true, yeah.
lydia smith
I'd hope so.
adam crigler
Props to the chat for hitting me up with the appropriate information.
Appreciate you guys.
tim pool
What is this?
He's also got helicopters?
adam crigler
What?
tim pool
Who is this guy?
adam crigler
What?
tim pool
I want to hang out with this guy.
Wow, man.
So he also has Cessnas, apparently, which have reciprocating turbocharged IO-360 engines found on normal light planes, are extremely efficient compared to their turbine-powered competitors, and feature video downlink encrypted communications and night vision goggle compatible cockpits.
Among other modifications, they are also certified under the FAA standard category, not the experimental category, even with all their modifications, which is a multitude of benefits.
Check this out.
You know, remember earlier I was talking about people buying houses in Maine?
I'm like, who are these people who've got $1.5 billion to buy all these?
But how does he have all that money?
adam crigler
You think he's got a nice place in Maine?
tim pool
I bet he does.
unidentified
Maybe.
tim pool
Well, he lives in Illinois.
I bet he's got a really nice place in Illinois.
adam crigler
Yeah, true.
tim pool
But how do you secure... I mean, I think it's fair to say maybe he didn't personally buy them.
Maybe he secured a big loan and said, we got a government contract guarantee over 30 years or something like that.
And so he got people to finance it.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
I'd imagine that would make sense.
And now he gets to stand in front of them and talk to, uh, you know, about how he is the one who has all of these.
And, uh, I'm sure he is very happy about it.
I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm glad he's been able to.
They have a bunch of other stuff, apparently.
Check this out.
He's got tons of planes.
unidentified
Holy cow.
tim pool
Like, not just the ones he just recently bought.
adam crigler
Yeah, look at all that.
tim pool
So they do skydiving and stuff.
This is a really interesting article because it basically goes into literally everything, but I gotta, I gotta confess, I don't know enough about the jargon.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Other than...
I'm curious how big this Air Force is compared to the others in the world.
You know what I heard?
This could be not true, maybe it's true.
There's a thing that, you know, it's not really a joke, it's kind of like a point.
Do you know who has the biggest Air Force in the world?
adam crigler
I don't.
tim pool
Do you know what the biggest Air Force in the world is?
adam crigler
I don't.
tim pool
The United States Air Force.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
Do you know what the second biggest Air Force in the world is?
adam crigler
I don't.
tim pool
The United States Navy.
unidentified
Oh, I did.
lydia smith
I did hear that.
tim pool
I've heard that before.
I don't know if it's true.
adam crigler
It's not really surprising, though.
I mean, totally.
So, like, the naval vessels, the aircraft carriers.
They have planes and all that stuff.
That's not the Air Force?
That's not the Navy?
tim pool
That's the Navy.
I mean, I don't know.
I'm assuming.
unidentified
Blue Angels?
adam crigler
I always just assumed it was kind of like a joint effort, you know?
Separate.
tim pool
Because I think the Air Force was handling a lot of space stuff, too.
Now the Space Force does it.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
But they handle a lot of other stuff that the Navy wouldn't.
adam crigler
Well, actually, no.
The original space stuff would be from a little bit of everyone.
Right.
Every different aspect of the Army had a little piece of it, and it made a mess of it.
And that's why the Space Force actually does make some sense.
unidentified
Dude, whatever this guy's doing, he did it right.
tim pool
I need to figure that out.
adam crigler
Yeah, he's doing it right, dude.
tim pool
So I can have a photo like this.
adam crigler
Look at how happy he is.
That is one happy dude.
He's like, yeah, check out my jet.
tim pool
You know what's funny?
You know what's really, really funny?
What?
I think it was Eric Swalwell, I'm not sure, a Democrat, who made a point about the Second Amendment.
And he said something like, maybe it wasn't him, I may be wrong, but he said something about buying a tank.
And like, he's like, are you gonna go buy a tank?
And you know, of course not, there are limits.
You actually can buy a tank.
lydia smith
He was the one who was talking about nuking people.
adam crigler
I wonder how much a tank is.
tim pool
But I actually looked it up and fact check, you can buy a tank.
adam crigler
That's dope.
tim pool
With artillery and everything.
What?
adam crigler
With artillery?
tim pool
Yeah, I'm pretty sure actually, yeah.
And there was a story about apparently somebody bought a tank and was firing a full auto 50 cal into a lake.
And someone called the cops and the cops were like, I don't know what we do about that.
What are we supposed to do?
adam crigler
Excuse me, sir.
Excuse me.
Please.
tim pool
No, no, no, not excuse me, sir.
adam crigler
Excuse me.
unidentified
Yeah, right.
tim pool
But apparently he was allowed to do it.
He was like, I don't know the full story.
You can look it up.
Maybe I'm wrong.
My general memory of it is that, like, he owned the lake.
It was his property and he was firing into it.
And so, like, you own a tank, you own the guns, your property, you can do what you want.
adam crigler
Yeah, I read a funny article about some guy that had a tank and he parked it in his front yard and, like, the homeowners association started complaining.
And he was like, I don't care what you have to say.
Go ahead and move it.
If you don't like it, go ahead and try and move it.
And they were just like, uh.
What do we do?
tim pool
But it's but I think it's funny like the reason I bring it up
is you want to talk about the right to bear arms.
One of the things they always say is like you you you think you're going to be able to fend off the
government in a revolution?
Because it's like, you know, some conservatives will say, the right to bear arms to stop a tyrannical government.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Then the left will say, the government has nukes.
You know, what are you going to do?
Well, this guy just bought some from the Royal Australian Air Force, some hornets.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So, you know, he has the right to bear these arms, you know?
adam crigler
It probably would have been more if Canada didn't snag those 25 jets.
tim pool
Oh yeah, I bet he would have bought them all up.
adam crigler
Let's grab some of those.
tim pool
So let me just say, for those that would question whether or not you have the right to bear arms in this country, while there are certainly strange laws and infringement, if anyone ever says to you, well what are you going to do against the US government?
Show them this guy.
They'll be like, well this guy bought a bunch of fighter jets.
adam crigler
he's working with the government i was just saying he's probably contracted
so like they've might have helped him pay for this it's true because it fits that much cheaper for them to use
him as their practice pilots you know that he buys the these jets yeah i'm
tim pool
just saying like clearly the dude has the right to bear arms even
unidentified
fighter jets so you know Exactly.
tim pool
I wonder what the legal loopholes were.
You know what the other thing is, too?
But there's no law in the books saying you can't do it.
adam crigler
I didn't know that I'd wake up today with finding a new goal in life.
tim pool
To buy some fighter jets?
adam crigler
To have my own fighter jet.
I had no idea.
tim pool
Well, when you hit 33 million, you can get your first.
That's the crazy thing to me.
I'm like, how do you even get to 33 million, let alone 1.5 billion?
adam crigler
I don't know, dude.
Well, that's why I think it wasn't just him.
tim pool
It was probably financing and stuff like that.
He had a company.
adam crigler
Some tax something or other.
unidentified
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
tim pool
A lot of things like that.
adam crigler
Word.
tim pool
Alright, well, we'll grab the last few Super Chats and then we will head on off to... Adam will play Final Fantasy VII.
adam crigler
I was thinking it.
tim pool
Alright, so let's see.
Where are we at?
Let's see.
I'm still happy about it.
Oh, yeah.
I read that one. Sorry. Zach says, Hey Tim, I'm getting into skating.
And I read that one too. Okay. Joe says my GF wants to move out to the city and
own all of the dogs. I'm seriously considering it now. Move out of the city.
Oh, totally. Tim Cole says I moved from New York four years ago. Dodged that.
Yep. I don't. Yeah. I moved away. Yeah. Over the past couple of years.
adam crigler
Yeah, I moved away last year.
I'm really happy I did.
tim pool
Start small.
So I got hit up about doing promos for them.
starting a garden in an apartment.
You know, I actually do have a recommendation, passively, that I'm not gonna show the site
because it's a potential sponsor, supereasyseeds.com.
So I got hit up about doing promos for them.
I have not done one yet.
adam crigler
Oh yeah, you showed me that.
tim pool
It looks cool.
It's basically, you get this little like, I don't know what it is, like a bag or something?
lydia smith
Yeah, you get like a bag, it's a kit, and the bag becomes like this thing that you plant your seeds in.
tim pool
You unroll this sheet, and then water it, and it's like the commercial is someone's cooking pizza and plucking fresh basil like right off their- It's like a little garden.
So, again, I'm being very clear.
I'm not going to show the site or anything.
I'm just, for people who ask, supereasyseats.com.
And I will likely do promos for them in the future.
Because they're like a new, you know, we're actually waiting for the samples before I actually promote them.
So that's kind of the thing.
Whenever someone hits me up and they're like, would you like to promote this for us?
I'm typically like, no, I won't.
This one's actually really cool.
I'm stoked to get one.
So I was like, dude, please send me this.
lydia smith
I ordered some and I'm just waiting for them to show because I cannot wait to plant them.
tim pool
So before I actually say about writing recommendations or anything like that in terms of an official sponsorship, I have to use it.
Because if it's not good, I'm not going to tell people to buy it.
lydia smith
It looks cool.
tim pool
It looks cool.
So I bring it up because it's the only thing off the top of my head I can say about guarding it in your apartment.
Like this good to go thing.
adam crigler
As I said, start small, don't get overwhelmed, and build from small because then you can handle it.
So don't try to overwhelm by doing like five different plants, just do like two.
lydia smith
Yeah, make sure you've got enough sun.
I killed some plants that way.
adam crigler
Oh yeah, or the appropriate lights.
lydia smith
Right, exactly.
tim pool
Former Ghost says, Major Glory said that Dexter's Lab mini-shorts, The Super Friends, along with Van Halen and The Incredulous Crunk.
Alright.
Little Witch says, Mike Huckabee is suing FLA over using his beach.
Is that, what's FLA?
unidentified
Florida?
tim pool
No.
XNihilo says, Wyoming has gig internet in places.
Cool.
Ian, thanks for becoming a member.
The Bearded Hippie says, Adam, Tim, look into signing up to the website Storyfire.
It has potential to become better than YouTube.
Got a cool name.
Fearless Soldier says, what do you think about How Exotic and Tiger King?
Joe Exotic?
Didn't like it.
I got bored of it.
Stopped watching it.
adam crigler
So weird.
Yeah, I started watching it and all I can think of this whole time is like, why am I watching this?
Why do I care about these people at all?
You know, it's like, Yeah.
I couldn't do it.
tim pool
Yo Buddy says, thoughts on Amazon banning the movie Hoaxed?
It's still there in book form.
You can buy the DVD, but as far as I can tell it's been removed from Amazon Prime for direct
download.
I'm not surprised.
It's a Mike Cernovich's documentary.
I'm actually in it and it talks about the fake news.
And so like I tell my story how I was told to lie.
I was basically told to side with the audience and just say what they want to hear.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
And, uh, Amazon took it down and it was apparently doing really, really well.
Yeah.
And so that's one of the reasons that, well, that's why some people think they got rid of it.
Nick Crouch says, so I, so I just, I'm with you.
Check out DCS world and fulfill your dream.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
The moral pejorative says, I'm trippin' balls.
Good for you, buddy.
lydia smith
Glad you're here.
tim pool
Bradford says, Pornhub has considered making a new platform to compete with YouTube in a safer work environment.
They have the resources to do so.
lydia smith
They do.
tim pool
That would be cool.
adam crigler
Interesting.
tim pool
Yeah.
Kyle says, shall not be infringed equals buy own Air Force.
You know it.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Nick, thanks for coming to Member.
Wolf's Black Rose says, shout out to Tyler.
I'm so glad he left Gawker.
Warzone was good stuff.
I expect it still is.
Oh cool, is that who did it?
Yep, Tyler Roggewey.
Yeah, that's a really cool article, man.
unidentified
Cool stuff.
tim pool
I'd love to get like a video of what's going on down there, like do a documentary.
Nathan, thanks for the super chat.
Darkstar says, I retired from the USA after 28 years.
I was flight medicine for 24 years.
We did all the flight physicals for new pilots and kept older ones in the air.
That's awesome.
adam crigler
That is cool.
tim pool
Tony L says, hello, I live in Michigan in a pretty big fishing community.
And when the weather is nice, every guy with a boat is out on the water.
No one is listening to Whitmer's order out here.
unidentified
Good.
adam crigler
That's not surprising.
tim pool
Let's see.
Gurg says, watch Dank's Mad Lad from today.
lydia smith
I have not gotten to it yet.
tim pool
I did get recommended it.
unidentified
I need to watch it.
tim pool
I will.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
CJ says, probably bought a lot of it on credit, by the way.
For sure, for sure.
Zachary says, was in naval aviation working with F-A-18E Super Hornets.
Government issued my pilots experimental speed pills.
They were made illegal a week later.
unidentified
Whoa!
lydia smith
Whoa!
adam crigler
Jeez.
tim pool
Shy Guy says, you can buy a BMP for 100K.
I don't know what that is.
Bobcat says, Adam, forget fighter.
Ground attack aircraft are cheaper, easier to fly, and far more fun.
Okay.
All right.
I haven't.
adam crigler
I haven't.
I never really was a Resident Evil player, but I was tempted to get the VR version because it looked really cool.
tim pool
I liked one and two.
And after that, the story started getting weird and I just didn't... I never played them, no.
Evil Morty says, Amazon equals deep state.
Nathan Tucker says, I did political compass, got left authoritarian.
Did the political party test, got constitution party.
Not sure the connection.
Me neither.
All right, well, thanks for hanging out, everybody.
adam crigler
Yeah, thank you.
tim pool
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adam crigler
Send them my way.
tim pool
So you make sure you follow him and send them because then we actually pick them up if people have some good recommendations.
adam crigler
Yep, there's been a few that have helped me out.
tim pool
Totally.
adam crigler
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tim pool
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So I guess we will see you, is today Friday?
adam crigler
Today's Friday.
tim pool
I guess we'll see you Monday.
I get two half days off.
Thanks for hanging out everybody.
We'll see you next time.
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