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March 30, 2020 - Timcast IRL - Tim Pool
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TimcastIRL - Iran, Russia, China Media Push COVID Bioweapon Theory, Is Disinfo An Act Of War?
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adam crigler
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tim pool
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unidentified
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tim pool
What's going on, everybody?
I am Tim.
Tim Poole.
And this is Adam.
adam crigler
Hey.
tim pool
Craigler.
adam crigler
That's me.
tim pool
How's it going, everybody?
adam crigler
All right.
tim pool
Hey, we're back.
We weren't here on Friday because I was on the verge of death.
I'm just very exhausted.
And I was like, I can't move.
Help me, please.
adam crigler
Not actual death, but... Figurative death.
Figurative death.
tim pool
Yeah, I was just like, dude, I need to just lay down and stare at a screen.
I think I ate something bad, actually.
adam crigler
Oh, really?
tim pool
Yeah, because usually what I do is when I do my morning show, then I go eat, and then I come back, and I was just like... That's okay, I just played Division 2.
unidentified
There you go.
tim pool
Was it good?
adam crigler
Yeah.
Yeah, New York, they're back in... It's crazy how many similarities... You know how you find the random microphone recordings every so often?
tim pool
And it's the same thing like now?
adam crigler
Every single one I'm listening to, and it's like preppers, like, man, we should have gotten more food!
Or someone else is like, give me your food!
And I'm like, oh my gosh, this is kind of... You know, man, they're...
tim pool
Why are they saying F?
They always do this?
lydia smith
That's what they do now.
adam crigler
No, because there's a delay.
Right, right, right.
tim pool
But I started the stream early.
adam crigler
That's all right.
tim pool
Whatever.
adam crigler
No worries.
tim pool
So there's food riots starting up in Sicily.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Because my understanding is that the ferry company that shipped the food back and forth went out of business.
adam crigler
Because of coronavirus?
Or just in general?
tim pool
Yeah, the economic shutdown for three weeks and boom, they were gone.
Now the food's not coming in.
Then people can't get food.
It's not just that, but some people on the island, they don't make money anymore.
So they ran out of money.
I'll tell you what, man.
adam crigler
No food, no money on an island?
tim pool
No, no, no, no.
It's worse than that.
adam crigler
That sounds pretty bad already.
tim pool
If your mom is in bed and she's sick and hungry and she's like, please, can you get me food?
You're going to be like, anything.
Anything.
And then they show up and they bring rocks and they're like, I don't care.
I don't care about you.
I care about my mom.
So they're organizing on Facebook group raids to go raid grocery stores.
So it's getting serious.
I gotta do the general plug before we get started, though, because we're gonna get in.
This is good.
The lead of this is that earlier this month, there was a story from Defense One about Iranian, Russian, and Chinese media pushing the bioweapon conspiracy theories.
They're blaming the United States for it.
We've seen this from the U.S.
Twitter doesn't care that China is saying the U.S.
military did this, and it's insane, yet they'll delete a tweet from Trump or something.
But this is going to be our lead story.
We've got a bunch of other stories.
People are getting arrested.
We're seeing a rise in, I guess, authoritarianism.
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tim pool
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tim pool
And as we now have gone to the wide shot, I have a special announcement.
You can see here the new centerpiece for the show.
This is Giant Eagle.
1000 sheet bath tissue.
This is in fact toilet paper.
adam crigler
I think this is like the big pack you can get when you're in the middle of nowhere.
Yeah, like the biggest you can get.
You're like, oh a four pack, yeah!
tim pool
And it's 4000 sheets.
They want to make sure you know.
Well the reason, for those that are wondering, is because someone actually sent us this.
adam crigler
That's true.
tim pool
And, uh, it's gotta be what, like a, like, maybe, what do you think, like a thousand dollars worth of toilet paper right there?
adam crigler
Eh, give or take a few years.
tim pool
Give or take a few years, yeah.
Make sure you stock up.
No, but someone really did send us some toilet paper, so thank you!
adam crigler
And some mixed beans, and some rice, and some chia seeds.
Man, they sent a bunch of random things.
Broccoli rice.
lydia smith
The story here was that he listened to the stuff that we said that they were, it looked like they were kind of running out of, and he sent us all that stuff from his store.
unidentified
Oh yeah.
adam crigler
They gave us the mustard.
tim pool
The Engelhofer mustard.
adam crigler
Engelhofer mustard.
We love it.
We couldn't find it anywhere around.
They sent it to us.
So thank you for sending us that.
tim pool
Nothing else matters.
No donation.
adam crigler
No super chat.
I haven't used it yet, but I'm extraordinarily excited to make a sandwich.
I'm gonna make a really nice sandwich tomorrow.
tim pool
Some chow cheese.
adam crigler
Put some chow cheese on it.
tim pool
So, let's go to the first story, because we were going to talk about climate change stuff too, which we will get into this, but the lead story is the UK is pissed off because China's been engaged in this disinformation campaign since the start of this.
They've been lying to us, it's been getting worse, and I had to wonder, at what point do we consider that an act of war?
adam crigler
Yeah, good point.
tim pool
Look, so BuzzFeed reported that Chinese trolls are going online and they're sowing disinformation which results in a slower response and it actually results in people dying.
Civilians.
This is not like a military thing.
So at what point do we say they're actually killing our people and we do something about it?
I honestly don't know, but in this whole controversy involving the UK government, this circumstance, they're actually saying they think China's numbers are 15 to 40 times worse, so that China might actually have 45,000 dead.
adam crigler
Why would people choose to, like, believe this kind of stuff, but then... Convenience.
Yeah, it's like, they're obviously not giving us the truth with their numbers, but then they're like, oh, well, but they say it's the U.S.
now, so let's jump on that and run with that story.
tim pool
Political experience.
So you get some journalist who's trying to craft a narrative.
They know what the story is before they even looked anything up.
They don't look up all this information and then think to themselves like,
whoa, here's what's happening.
They say, how do I do a story about Boris Johnson of the UK being bad?
Ooh, I know, here's a story from China.
And they say, but China says this.
Like, as if we take anything they say seriously.
adam crigler
Right, exactly.
tim pool
So I see this story, and I started wondering about, like, what the limit would be to where we actually say, hey man, you know, like, you're getting people killed.
And this is a story from Defense One from March 10th, where you have major adversaries of the United States, you know, their media is pushing bioweapon conspiracy theories.
I believe what they say in this article is that Iran is the main culprit in doing this.
So, you have Chinese officials going on Twitter.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Claiming the U.S.
military spread this in China.
adam crigler
Officials are saying it.
tim pool
Officials, yep.
adam crigler
I thought you were saying just regular citizens.
tim pool
Verified.
Verified Twitter user.
adam crigler
Oh, wow.
tim pool
And Twitter does nothing.
That's ridiculous. Yeah, man. So listen, this is going to damage our reputation around the world.
It's going to impede our ability to get supplies. At what point? I don't know. I think I feel like
adam crigler
every story I'm reading is people all these different countries are like pissed at China
for sending them bunk like face masks. Yeah, but it's Europe. It's not, you know, Iran. Dude,
tim pool
did I tell you about what China was doing back in January?
I don't know. Siphoning away medical resources from Australia, Canada, and other countries? No,
I didn't hear that. So this was what? Sydney, Sydney, Sydney Morning Herald and news.com.au
in Australia. Okay. A whistleblower came out and said that around the time that China was
telling all of the world there was no problem, no human human transmission. They were advising their
employees in foreign countries to start buying up as much medical supplies as possible, like hazmat
suits, masks, PPE gear, and shipping them off to China as much as they could.
And they did.
And Canada and Australia were two countries that gave away a ton of their medical gear, and now we're all panicked.
We can't get it.
And then when masks were being made in China by American companies, China turned around and took it back.
So China knew.
And we have a timeline that, going back to like December, China had evidence there was human-to-human transmission, and this was getting really bad.
adam crigler
But then January 5th or something, the WHO was like... 15th.
Oh, 15th.
tim pool
They were like, China says there's... So, like a month later, basically.
China says there's no human-to-human transition in preliminary tests.
And then they have... Do you see that guy from Who?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
When asked about Taiwan?
adam crigler
Shut the camera off?
tim pool
Turns his Skype off.
adam crigler
Dude!
unidentified
Yes.
adam crigler
What is up with that?
It's like, it makes me feel like the WHO is just a Chinese entity.
Like, are you supposed to believe them?
tim pool
Japan apparently called them the Chinese Health Organization.
Like, just straight up called them out.
adam crigler
Really?
tim pool
So for those that aren't familiar, there was a woman from Hong Kong interviewing a guy from the World Health Organization.
And she said, I wanted to ask you about Taiwan's response.
And the guy just says nothing.
He stares blankly.
And she's like, hello?
And he goes, oh, I didn't hear you.
adam crigler
But let's move on to a different question.
tim pool
She goes, let me ask you again.
No, that's OK.
We'll take another question.
She's like, no, I want to ask you about Taiwan.
And then turns off Skype.
They call him back, and then when she asks him again, he calls it China.
Oh, we've talked about China already.
All over China they've had a great response.
No, they haven't.
They're lying about their numbers.
They're cranking out—the crematoriums are running at full capacity, according to numerous stories.
What, like, China screwed up.
China lied.
They exploited it.
They're exploiting it now.
Their disinformation is getting people killed in our countries.
And every step of the way, they're doing this really annoying tactic of, like, whatever we say, they say it right back.
So when we started seeing people question whether or not this originated in a Chinese lab.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
So there was a study out of, uh, and this is, this is China's fault.
It's not, not anything to do with us.
There was a study out of South China university saying that some guy was doing experience, was, was, uh, researching bat coronavirus.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
And then he had gotten bitten or that he had, you know, been peed on or something.
And so he self quarantined.
And that may have been the cause because this was like literally across the street from the, from the, from the food market.
adam crigler
I don't know what article I was reading, but I did read one.
I can't verify it because I don't have it with me, but it's saying that it's not man-made.
This is a biological from an animal that happened to be transferred to a human and then exploded from there.
tim pool
And we've known about the possibility of this for a long time.
It's happened before in smaller numbers and weaker viruses.
Sometimes you win the lottery, man.
It happens.
Now, I do think it's hilarious.
And I don't mean hilarious isn't like, haha, we're having a good time.
I mean, like eerily strange, kind of funny.
That it's like we had a meme, a meme going around of like 2020, we're going to have a pandemic.
And everyone's laughing and they're like, ah, yeah.
And then it happened.
adam crigler
Yeah, then it actually happened.
Yeah.
tim pool
Well, we should actually read this bioweapon thing.
adam crigler
Yeah.
So I don't know anything about this.
tim pool
Yeah.
Basically, the reason I bring this up is like, they're throwing extreme conspiracies back in our face.
And what worries me is if we have this disinformation that's getting people killed, this right here is them accusing us of an act of war.
adam crigler
Yeah, I mean, everyone, I mean, I heard rumors for two months now that, oh, did they do this on purpose?
Is this a biological attack?
Like, it's not like this is a rumor that is just popping up.
It's almost like they heard.
I mean, I don't I don't see any senator or like Trump didn't say, like, I think it's a biological attack.
You know, it's like it's random people who are just conspiracy theorists saying it.
tim pool
Well, for them, it's like their media, right?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
So let's actually, let's read this, get some context.
Defense One says, Chinese authorities maintain that COVID-19 likely originated at a market in Wuhan where people were selling bat meat.
But Iranian, Russian, and Chinese propaganda media outlets would like you to believe without evidence, I love that, without evidence, that the emerging public health crisis comes from U.S.
biological weapons.
Disinformation about the coronavirus is spreading as quickly as the outbreak fueled by Iranian, Russian, and Chinese government-backed campaigns blaming and attacking the United States as the source of the scourge.
One narrative all three countries, including China, highlight is the notion that the U.S.
is weaponizing the crisis for political gain and thus worsening its spread globally.
Rachel Chernasky, a project manager for the Foreign Influence Election 2020 Project with the Foreign Policy Research Institute, wrote yesterday.
You know what's funny?
adam crigler
It's true.
tim pool
Literally what I've been saying.
adam crigler
That part's true.
tim pool
No, no, I totally disagree.
adam crigler
Well, you mean the Democrats weren't, like, using this to try to sneak more stuff into the bill that they just passed?
tim pool
Yeah, but not globally.
adam crigler
Okay, not globally, yeah.
Okay.
tim pool
Well, so I guess the way I see when they say the U.S.
adam crigler
is weaponizing it for political gain, it sounds like... And thus worsening it spread globally, I feel is a separate statement to the first part, is weaponizing for political gain, period.
tim pool
I definitely think that there is an activist media contingent with a political overlap that are trying to exploit this to hurt Trump and make political gains.
I mean, you look at Joe Biden saying it was xenophobic to close the borders, and it's like every country in the What planet did this dude?
What are you talking about?
Yeah.
What I see from this is basically what I've said about China.
We know they're lying.
We know they're engaging in disinformation campaigns.
It's getting people killed and they're doing it for political gain.
They're sending bunk equipment to Italy and Spain, the Netherlands.
adam crigler
I mean, China's claiming that those weren't like, I want to say FDA approved, but I don't know what their approvement Yeah.
But it's a company that isn't approved by, like, the government.
So, supposedly, the government's issued stuff is okay.
tim pool
Do you know how piracy worked back in the day?
Back in the colonial era?
adam crigler
I'm not sure.
I don't know.
tim pool
Let's say, you know, you're France.
You've got a bunch of boats full of spices.
Delicious, delicious spices.
adam crigler
Sure.
tim pool
When all of a sudden, another ship comes up, privateer, with, you know, black sails or whatever, whatever they did, and they start firing on you.
And you fight.
But you win, and so you board the privateer, and it turns out all the dudes, English.
And you're like, these English MFers, man.
So when you go to England, they go, oh, it's a privateer!
They're criminals!
Oh, we have nothing to do with this!
And then the next day, they go to another privateer and say, here's your mission, go disrupt the French supply lines, and if you get caught, we disavow.
So what we see with China and other countries today is something very similar, where you'll see private criminals Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
So you think that's what's going on?
will be like, when we catch these people, we'll bring them to justice. We are so sorry
they sold you faulty equipment. And then they go back home and say, good job. Because that's
adam crigler
the point.
tim pool
So you think that's what's going on?
I mean, maybe. It could be that people are exploiting the crisis and they're selling
garbage for a quick buck. You know what I mean? If you could mass produce trash and
sell it for $10 per trash, these people will do it.
And it doesn't seem like China cares, because they're exploiting foreign interests, not national interests, you know?
adam crigler
Do you think that's what's happening here?
Do you think that this is them going, all right, go spread this information.
tim pool
Yeah, totally.
adam crigler
But if you get caught, we're just going to be like your regular citizens.
tim pool
Well, no, no, this is coming from, like, their official media outlets.
adam crigler
Oh, no, you said that it's official.
That's crazy.
So in the Iranian government also, and the Russian government, it's all official people?
tim pool
Look, the governments are playing it up like, no, no, we're not claiming it.
Like they mentioned, China is saying it was from the bat.
But then Chinese media goes, but what if?
adam crigler
So the media, newsflash, the media everywhere pretty much lies most of the time.
tim pool
Yeah, but their media is an arm of the communist regime, you know what I mean?
Yeah, that's true.
So it's much worse.
I'd be willing to bet, based on the title of this video, me, like, criticizing these foreign countries, they're gonna claim I was pushing the conspiracy.
Because that's what our media does.
adam crigler
True.
tim pool
Like, they carry water for China, man.
They love it.
They love the communist teat.
All the sweet milk that comes along with it.
Dude, so Marco Rubio.
You know who Marco Rubio is?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
He tweeted something like, journalists are gleefully, you know, celebrating or enjoying the damage or whatever, something like that.
I don't want to misquote him, but it was, you know, a bunch of journalists were like, how dare you?
No one takes pleasure in any of this.
So then he posted a bunch of tweets where it was like, A bunch of stories!
adam crigler
Pretty much.
tim pool
I'm taking Gleana.
Yeah, right?
And, like, making snarky political jokes about it and stuff.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
So, you know what, man?
The media in this country is free.
And they do this.
And I think, you know, the bigger question I have about all of this is at what point are we going to see a crackdown on the First Amendment?
Because guess what?
We're already seeing a crackdown on... We're already seeing a crackdown on most of the First Amendment.
Freedom of religion and the right to peaceably assemble.
Both completely infringed upon right now.
Gone.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's true.
tim pool
You can't gather in groups of more than two in some places.
How does that make sense?
And they're saying you can't go to places of worship and they're actually, you know, they're calling out people who are engaging in worship and it's like the government can't stop you.
The argument is, well, quarantine.
Is that a good enough argument?
adam crigler
It's tough, right?
Yeah, it's a tough question, you know.
I don't know how to answer it, really, because, you know, I believe everyone, like, you know, we're both libertarians.
Like, I want everyone to do what they want to do, but then at the same time, I don't want stupid people going out and gathering and spreading it around, like that story we read, or that we're going to later on.
tim pool
It's a great conundrum, man.
So, you know, this whole thing is interesting.
And I think we should actually touch a little bit upon like the possibility of war before we get into like, you know, because it's, it's, it's the war.
If we go, if we get, if we enter any kind of war, then you'll see your, your civil liberties gone.
Right?
adam crigler
Yeah.
So do you think this is why they started talking about the draft last week?
tim pool
But they talk about the draft all the time.
adam crigler
What, right now in the middle of a pandemic?
Why is that on the docket?
tim pool
And mentioning the women can do other jobs, so it's time to get them involved.
adam crigler
Yeah, why are they talking about that right now?
Yeah, yup.
It's kind of an interesting time.
tim pool
I mean, this international conflict has been brewing for a long time.
adam crigler
True.
tim pool
And me and many other journalists who cover conflict have been kind of, I don't want to say waiting for it,
but speculating as to when we would actually see full-scale warfare.
Apparently we had World War III with Iraq and Iran already.
So this would be in fact World War IV.
adam crigler
How would that, is the entire world included in that battle?
tim pool
It's a joke.
Okay, so.
You know, like Iran fired Iraq and then everyone's like, no.
adam crigler
Sorry, no, whoever calls it World War III, you're wrong.
But there's a- It's a joke and.
tim pool
So, you know, there's been a lot of speculation about Syria, the Qatar-Turkey pipeline,
Gazprom, natural gas in Europe, the conflict we have, and the proxy wars.
They've all been going on for decades.
It's all part of the same conflict that's never ended.
But at a certain point, you know, a spark hits.
We were sitting on a powder keg and then the coronavirus happened.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Now maybe it's a bioweapon.
I don't think so.
I think it's just these things happen.
adam crigler
But is it going to be a spark that lights the fuse or is it going to be like an acid that just melts away the barrel so nothing happens?
Do you know what I mean?
It's like, I feel like it could go either way.
tim pool
I don't know, man.
So, China's claiming they have 2,500 dead, and they're like, no new cases, and we're like, on the downturn, and people are uncritically showing their numbers.
There was a really funny thing I saw on Twitter, where this guy has a graph, where he's like, I took all of the data on coronavirus and you can track different countries, and then there was a frequently asked question, why isn't China on this graph?
And he said, because their numbers are fake.
unidentified
Yeah.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
So we've seen locals saying the crematoriums have been running full speed, non-stop.
adam crigler
In China.
tim pool
And people have been... That was originally a conspiracy theory.
The original conspiracy theory was that people could see satellite images of crematoriums going nuts.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
And then all the fetching agencies were like, no, no, no, it's not true.
adam crigler
It's medical supplies.
tim pool
Now a bunch of mainstream outlets are like, we have some serious questions about the number of urns being delivered.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Because apparently, like, 5,000 got delivered in, like, one period or something.
I don't know how long a certain period is, but they said, over the next 12 days, we're gonna be delivering more urns.
And people are like, so that's what, like, 45,000 to 50,000 urns?
adam crigler
Yeah, why?
unidentified
Right.
adam crigler
2,000 deaths?
2,500 deaths?
Yeah, but it's empty.
tim pool
Everybody gets an empty urn.
adam crigler
Just in case.
tim pool
Just in case.
adam crigler
We're just, you know, restocking up.
That's all.
tim pool
Like those videos we saw, people are collapsing in the street and it's really, really bad.
So here's the bigger question.
You say, could it be like an acid just dissolving the powder keg and it just fizzles away?
I don't know, man, if the amount of deaths are seriously that crazy in China.
We now have 17,000 combined in Spain and Italy.
It's like 11,000 in Italy.
If the numbers really are that high in this short of a time span, then at what point do they become desperate?
People are starting, you know, countries are now hoarding food.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
So we're, you know, one of the first things that needs to happen is hard dividing lines, so people know who's, you know, who's fighting who.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's a good point.
tim pool
We've talked a lot about, like, the possibility of a civil war in the U.S., and one of the things that makes it less likely is that there's not going to be a clear delineation between factions.
And so it's really difficult to fight if you go outside and you're like, here's a guy, okay, he's wearing a muse shirt.
Are you on my side?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
I have no idea.
Versus if people are like wearing clear, you know, patches or in a certain area and you walk into there and say, Hey, you!
What are you doing?
You know, you're on this territory.
You know what I mean?
adam crigler
Yeah, I'll suit it up.
tim pool
So I guess, I guess my, my, my question is like for this, for this opening segment is like, at what point do we say this is war?
Is it going to be like a shot heard around the world moment?
Because look man, Well, what would that be?
adam crigler
Like, I can't picture any sort of warfare where anyone gets out of this, you know, on top, you know?
tim pool
Of course.
adam crigler
Like, China claims if their numbers are wrong, which everyone's assuming they're wrong.
tim pool
Lies.
adam crigler
Yeah, then they're not in very good shape.
We're not in very good shape.
No one's in very good shape.
You know, if we go to war, that means, you know, we would want to supply them with food and whatever to keep... But the supply lines are already kind of... Oh yeah, man.
tim pool
They're getting interrupted, so... In some areas, I'm already hearing that people can't get supplies anymore.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
So, it's interesting because when you're on Twitter, you're like in one place where you can see everyone talking.
But then you gotta realize, people are all over the world.
So I saw one person tweeting about how there's no, you know, like, there's certain supplies are completely drained in my area and we can't get them anywhere.
We can't even order them.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And so, like, we went to the store the other day to like, you know, just get food stuff and we're like... Seemed fine.
Oh, they had tons!
adam crigler
Seemed normal.
tim pool
They had a full pallet of 25 pound bags of flour.
adam crigler
Yeah, I didn't know eggs was the one thing that was gone, right?
tim pool
No, they had eggs, but it was less.
They had eggs at Sam's, not at Walmart.
adam crigler
At Walmart.
tim pool
Walmart was missing a ton of stuff.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
That makes sense, though, because Sam's is like... Not that much, though.
Right.
adam crigler
As I expected to see.
tim pool
Yeah, they had milk and everything.
adam crigler
Eggs were gone.
That was it.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
So, which are perishable, which, well, I guess you could keep them.
There is ways.
tim pool
There were some things, but for the most part, it seemed like there was a little bit less of most things, but most things were there.
But in some areas, they are getting hit.
So anyway, I guess... I don't know, man.
I think if China gets strained, and their factories are shut down, and they can't produce food, if we can overproduce food, then I don't think we have anything really to worry about.
I don't think anyone's gonna wanna fight.
They're gonna try and secure their own circumstances, their own situations.
But if somebody died in the U.S.
because of disinformation, and they did, what do we say to their family?
Like, so we have what?
I think around 2,000, just over 2,000 people have died so far in the U.S.
Now, some people want to blame Trump.
I don't think that's fair.
I think to a certain point you can criticize the president, you can criticize Bill de Blasio a lot more because New York City is the hardest hit place, and Cuomo gets some of that criticism, but come on, the fault is really on China for lying to us.
If they came out right away and said, look, preliminary data shows human-to-human transmission, it could be a false alarm, but seriously, get ready for this.
adam crigler
Everybody lock down.
Let's do this.
tim pool
But they're exploiting it.
No, they're exploiting it.
How so?
Well, for one, they immediately started having their employees in other countries siphon away emergency medical gear and send it to China.
And so they did it in a legal way.
They did it through the free market, which leads to a serious conundrum I see on the internet where they're like, all they did was buy up as much as they could through free market practice.
And my response is, by lying to us, lying to the World Health Organization so that no one understood how bad it was, And then a lot of people were like, oh, that's really cool that we're helping China with their medical gear, because, you know, they're facing a shortage.
And now that we've got 120,000 or so people in the US, we're like, we need medical gear.
And that, to me, is why it's so annoying when people are like, Trump has fumbled this across the board, and it's like, look, man.
adam crigler
Well, people feel better when they have someone to blame.
tim pool
Blame China!
Come on!
adam crigler
Good point.
tim pool
Yeah, but the media is too busy carrying water for them, saying, it's racist if you blame China.
Yeah, the Communist Party of China is not a race.
It is an authoritarian organization of some sort.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's a good point.
tim pool
Yeah.
So anyway, here's the main point.
We can move on to another subject, but I'm just... To the people whose families have lost their lives, you know, who have lost loved ones, if they want answers, you know, are they going to ignore this?
Or do we need to tell them, like, China lied and the people you cared about died?
And is there anything that's gonna come from it?
And if we do want something to come from it, what if China says, F you?
Do we just say, okay, that's cool, we're not gonna do anything, you're good?
Or does somebody say, nah, and then, you know?
I think really in order for war to break out, you need some kind of hard desperation or ideological zealotry.
China would have to be like, We are seizing the South China Sea.
Period.
Full-on military blockade.
adam crigler
We will shoot down any plane, any ship that comes into that space.
tim pool
And then if the U.S.
says we're going to, you know, fly in international waters and then, you know, because China already lasered a plane a couple, you know, last month or whatever.
So we've been dangerously close.
I don't want to act like I think it's guaranteed, but I've had people, you know, who cover this stuff and who have, you know, worked in military stuff being like, dude, it's getting worse than it's ever been.
Especially with the pandemic, with the loss of food stores, hoarding.
And then you have these media companies, or I shouldn't say companies, but state-run propaganda, trying to convince their populations, we did this to them.
adam crigler
Yeah, there's this article I read about the escalation of the blame game between China and America, basically.
Because once Trump went on and said the Chinese virus, it was kind of like pointing a big finger at China and saying, you're to blame.
And it's not necessarily the Chinese citizens, you know, it is the CCP who was like, we're not saying anything to anybody, you know, and that's why CCP virus is better.
Right, exactly.
tim pool
Or Jinping plague.
adam crigler
That makes a lot more sense.
But then now they're doing this because it's what, how are you going to go further up from it's not our fault and like, we're, it's not the Chinese virus.
Well, you're the one who put it there then.
tim pool
Yeah, but a bioweapon claim is so much like more egregious.
adam crigler
Absolutely.
I agree.
tim pool
It's, look, if we've got a bunch of random people on the internet claiming that it was a Chinese bioweapon, like, come on, of course, it's like people are gonna go on the internet and say whatever they want.
If state-run media organizations or state-sanctioned or controlled media organizations are telling their citizens the United States engineered a bioweapon to go after them, they're gonna be like, they're gonna be rallied, right?
So this is what people, you know what a false flag is?
So this is what people basically, it's kind of like a false flag.
Convince your people that you're under attack.
You know, a false flag would be they attack themselves and then blame it on someone else flying a false flag, right?
But it's similar in that they need to get all of their people on board with full-on conflict with us.
Not that some of these countries actually need that, but Russia kind of does.
Because the Russian people and the American people, for the most part, they absolutely do not hate each other.
adam crigler
You know what, this almost feels like, remember we were talking about those videos that were emerging, we weren't able to show them to you guys because we can't really confirm them, but we were seeing videos out of China of almost like civil war, like people were fighting and like being locked away and like joining their own police force and fighting other police forces.
tim pool
Well that video is public, everyone's seen it, that's reported.
Yeah, Wuhan, they're flipping a police vehicle.
adam crigler
I mean this almost seems like they're trying to convince their own citizens, and it has almost nothing to do with us.
I mean, obviously it does, because we're the main target here, but it's like, if people are actually rising up against the CCP in China, we won't know.
We're not going to know anything about that.
But if that's actually happened, which it looks like that could be happening, we won't ever know about it until years from now.
You know, finally the CCP will get overthrown and people will be like, oh yeah, remember back when the coronavirus hit?
Yeah, we started at that point and we had a civil war.
tim pool
And how does China stop that from happening?
adam crigler
It was America. Yeah, let's let's you know, don't worry. It wasn't us. It was America. They did it
tim pool
It's like and we're here to protect you right? You must trust us. Yeah, that's what Americans are doing
adam crigler
That's what it sounds like to me. Yeah, it's like they're really
Because it's it's stupid like it's I think it was a Chinese doctor that that
That no, no that not that blew the whistle but confirmed that it was an animal like natural in nature
And then like we confirmed it and like a bunch of doctors around the globe were like, yeah, it's a natural thing,
tim pool
right?
adam crigler
It's not like it was a bioweapon, which now they're pushing.
It's kind of convenient in the time where I saw those last week where people were fighting.
tim pool
Yeah.
I don't know.
We can kind of wrap up on this point because I think you kind of nailed it, but when the people of China flip over a police vehicle, these are people who get arrested and tortured for saying naughty words.
adam crigler
Yeah, for saying, I think you're stupid, policeman.
tim pool
Yup.
adam crigler
And then they get beaten, so they say sorry, right?
tim pool
Say sorry 20 times.
And they're sitting there, like, clearly all messed up.
adam crigler
I mean, dude took the riot shield and was beating the other cop with it.
tim pool
Yeah, man.
adam crigler
You know?
tim pool
So they need to get a handle on things.
It's no surprise they do this stuff.
Well, the UK's furious about it.
But we do have another story.
So, the next one, we're gonna bring it back home.
I will say, it is so unfortunate that quite literally the only news is coronavirus.
But I'm not kidding, I went to BuzzFeed and I'm like, BuzzFeed surely has something.
And I'm like, dude, when BuzzFeed has nothing else to talk about, like man, of all the outlets.
adam crigler
You know it's bad.
tim pool
Yeah, it's just coronavirus.
But there's a few stories and this kind of, there's a pastor got arrested because he's ignoring the quarantines and lockdowns.
Another pastor died and he was posting on Facebook things like he thought it was a hoax or that the numbers didn't add up and stuff like that.
And then in Spain, something I was talking about earlier, Thousands of feminists ignored warnings and went out and marched on March 8th, and now Spain is like the third worst country.
And they actually said that masculinity kills more people than the coronavirus.
Yeah, so what I kind of want to talk about in that one is like the ideological ignorance, essentially, of people who are refusing to accept it because their ideology is, you know, their tribalism, but also civil liberties.
They have a right to protest, right?
adam crigler
I guess you're right.
tim pool
Even in the midst of this.
So let's do this.
Let's jump over to Super Chats, and then that'll be the next segment we do.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
So for everybody that is in the Super Chat, thank you all so much.
adam crigler
Indeed, thank you.
tim pool
We will try our best to get to everybody, but sometimes we can't.
Just...
You know, put it in there and we'll do our best, but also hit the like button if you haven't already, and subscribe.
Let's read what people have to say.
adam crigler
And follow us.
tim pool
Yes, our names are there.
Kyle Buchanan says, if you look back at world history after a major problem with a nation, they go to war.
So do you think this one will be any different?
There are a lot of factors involved in whether or not a war breaks out, but I think there has to be a hard reason for someone to go into someone else's territory.
Typically it's resources.
So if China starts freaking out like, we need food, we need something, then yeah.
The South China Sea.
adam crigler
We're gonna suspend all the- It is the perfect brewing pot, dude.
You're right.
tim pool
We'll see what happens, man.
We'll see.
So I'm... I don't know, man.
I don't want to say I'm bullish on it, but I am worried.
Maddie Bone says, it's not a conspiracy theory about it being a bioweapon.
Just that it's Chinese and they accidentally released it.
Wasn't this tweeted years back?
So what was tweeted years back was that there was a news story published in... I can't remember what the source was.
It's a legit source saying that Wuhan had a biolab and there was an international concern.
Because they didn't think the Chinese could handle a level 4 biolab.
They thought there would be a breach at some point.
And that was two years ago.
So when it happened, everybody was like, we think they were engineering viruses and it escaped.
Not that it was supposed to be a weapon or anything.
adam crigler
Yeah, yeah.
tim pool
None of that is confirmed.
I'll tell you what is true.
There is a biolab.
It was reported on by legit sources.
After that, nothing else.
It seems, based on South China University, and look, I gotta be honest, I don't trust them for the most part, but this is stuff that makes them look bad and counters their official narrative.
It seems like there was someone working in the Chinese version of the CDC that got contaminated by a bat.
That seems to be at least the best guess we have now.
adam crigler
Yeah, it's plausible.
tim pool
Yeah, because China's trying to have the narrative be like, it has nothing to do with us.
And they're saying the U.S.
did it.
And then some researchers come out and say, actually, we think it was our lab.
adam crigler
Or the dirty wet markets that they have that suddenly China decided to ban all wild animal consumption.
It's like, what?
Now you're going to do it?
Now you're going to ban all wild animal consumption?
tim pool
And the media was claiming it was a conspiracy theory that people were eating bat soup and stuff.
And now it's like, now they, you know what, man?
The media in our country is garbage.
They are so far behind what's going on, it is mind-numbing.
And like, you know, for me, it's like navigating a piece of Swiss cheese.
It's like, there's holes everywhere, and I'm trying to find the pieces that are legit, and putting them all together.
adam crigler
And make a slice of solid cheddar.
tim pool
Solid cheddar.
Well, solid Swiss.
All right, let's read some more.
adam crigler
Swiss, whatever.
tim pool
Chase, thanks for becoming a member.
Joseph says, do you think we're headed towards World War III?
What do you guys think?
adam crigler
I don't think so.
But I'm more optimistic than you.
tim pool
Yeah?
Yeah, I'm pretty pessimistic.
adam crigler
What do you think?
lydia smith
I think so.
If we have food shortages, people are going to fight each other.
That's a civil war.
tim pool
And if the economies don't get back on track, Sicily could just be the beginning.
adam crigler
But yeah, I guess the difference would be, is it going to be a world war with countries fighting countries or just everybody, humans fighting humans on the world?
tim pool
We've got the BRICS nations and NATO.
You know, we've got big factions that, you know, but it is tough.
I mean, Trump has been trying to repair relations with Russia.
If that's what you believe, it seems like it's possible.
unidentified
Mm-hmm.
tim pool
Because Hillary was very much adversarial.
We still are very adversarial with Russia.
The media doesn't give Trump credit for, like, the pushback he's given to Putin and stuff.
But if it's true that Trump is trying to, you know, ease relations with Russia, like, if there's a world war, and it's US and Europe versus, like, Russia and China, that's gonna be devastating.
There's not gonna be a clear path.
I mean, America's got technological superiority.
adam crigler
Yeah, but... You know what, though?
tim pool
I'm willing to bet America's got weapons we can't even think of.
adam crigler
I wouldn't be surprised.
You're right.
tim pool
Like, crazy stuff's gonna happen.
All of a sudden, they're gonna deplore, like, XO suits, like, Iron Man crazy, like, jet packs, and, like, you're gonna see a whole bunch of... You know the city shield over Asgard that they turn on in Thor?
adam crigler
It's like, we look outside.
tim pool
No, Wakanda.
adam crigler
And Wakanda.
tim pool
Asgard didn't have the shield, did they?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Oh, that's right.
That's right.
adam crigler
The second one.
So, or Wakanda.
Same thing, you know?
It's like we walk outside and we like look up and there's like this blue halo thing.
We're like, what's that?
And we see like missiles hitting it.
We're like, whoa, I guess we're safe.
tim pool
Iron Dome.
Well, the Iron Dome in Israel is like they target the missiles and then blow them out of the sky.
lydia smith
It's so amazing.
adam crigler
I'm pretty sure we have a whole network of that kind of stuff too.
tim pool
We have a, what is it called, SDI, the Strategic Defense Initiative.
It's like an old program.
I don't know where we're at now, but we were trying to figure out how to counteract a nuclear strike by intercepting missiles.
And so in Israel, for instance, they have the Iron Dome Defense System.
So when rockets come in from Gaza, they have surface-to-air missiles that pinpoint it and go boom and blow them out of the sky.
That's scary stuff.
I've never seen it myself.
I've been to Israel, but it didn't happen when I was there.
But you'll be out at a cafe and all of a sudden, boom, explosions in the sky.
Yeah, that's scary.
And then in South Korea, they have something, I can't remember what it's called.
I don't know if it's called like tarp or something.
I don't know.
But it's similar.
adam crigler
Did that happen to you when you were in Israel?
Did you actually hear an explosion?
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
I went and got falafel and had a good time, you know, just chilled out.
adam crigler
Yeah, right.
tim pool
But I know people who were there when they were like, you know, like, oh my God, and they like run and hide and take shelter and the sirens are going off.
Yeah, so we wouldn't be sitting here going, like, oh, look, a missile!
We'd be like, go, dude!
And, like, we run and hide, man.
Like, missiles blowing up in the air?
Dude, not something you want to experience.
All right, let's grab some more of these Super Chats.
Corto says, I know you're no fan of authoritarians, but how does it make you feel that a particularly authoritarian-leaning person, me, is a big fan of yours?
I don't know.
I don't care.
adam crigler
I have no— Appreciative?
tim pool
Yeah, like I was saying, you know, I disagree.
You know, I disagree.
Is that it?
What are we gonna do?
adam crigler
Everyone's right to disagree.
tim pool
Two authoritarians would like, have a conflict.
A libertarian's gonna be like, hey man, I'm gonna go do my thing.
You know, leave me out of it.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But I think I should clarify too, it's little L libertarian, not like big L American libertarian, because I'm pretty lefty libertarian.
And I would probably actually say, while I have very libertarian ideals, I'm a liberal, in that I do believe in authority.
So the easy way to put it is, on a scale of like 1 to 10, if you actually look at like the authoritarian libertarian spectrum, If 5 is the middle, 6 is towards authoritarian, 4 is towards libertarian, I'm like a 3.5 or a 4.
adam crigler
I thought you were lower than that.
Idealistically.
Because I was higher than you on that chart.
Someone actually tweeted at me, like, you guys should do the political chart, and we actually have, and that's what he's talking about right now.
And I'm a little higher than you, and I think a little to the left?
I'm not sure.
tim pool
But it's idealistic.
It's like my perfect world when they ask me these questions.
adam crigler
Yeah, yeah, that's true.
tim pool
In the end, I'm like, you need to have some kind of authority, but I don't like the idea of authoritarianism at all.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, let's grab some more.
Ceylon says, is Lydia a waifu?
Hold on, it's complicated.
Good to see some of you back.
Oh yeah, because you can't see, you shouldn't have a camera.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
To Talbot, Link says, YouTube pulling some serious ass.
Had to exit the mobile app, go to the channel in browser, then access history and app to see the stream or announcement.
adam crigler
Whoa, really?
unidentified
Whoa, what?
adam crigler
Not fun.
Well, thanks for fighting to see us.
Yeah, man.
I appreciate you.
tim pool
Oh, here we go.
MinMac says, CNN be like, Tim Pool, far-right conspiracy theorist and Zeppelin architect, spills gumbo on his shirt, so I just watch as in anguish.
You know that my Wikipedia said I built a Zeppelin for like years.
lydia smith
That's so cool though.
tim pool
My Wikipedia claimed that I built a Zeppelin for years.
lydia smith
What?
adam crigler
Interesting.
tim pool
It's like the craziest thing.
lydia smith
Why haven't you told me this, Tim?
tim pool
You didn't know this?
adam crigler
I didn't know this either.
lydia smith
I know, I know.
Why didn't you tell me you built a Zeppelin?
tim pool
And I tried, when I tried being like, like, can I get someone to fix this?
They were like, you're not a good source.
And I'm like, I never built a Zeppelin.
adam crigler
Who would know?
tim pool
Someone wrote it.
adam crigler
You're not a good source.
tim pool
You're not.
That's how Wikipedia works.
adam crigler
They need other people?
tim pool
Well, I'll hit them up.
adam crigler
I feel like you would have included me in this project.
tim pool
Wikipedia is insane.
You've got to do something.
If I came out and said, I personally believe in free speech, and then someone at Huffington Post says, Tim Pool does not like free speech, they would ignore what I said, even though I espoused my belief, literally.
I could show someone a picture of my ballot saying, I voted for Barack Obama.
Then Huffington Post can write, but he didn't actually.
He voted for, you know, Trump.
And then Wikipedia would say, nope, Tim Pool is not a good source.
Do not trust the information from him.
adam crigler
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
It's like, why would I trust the random guy who doesn't know anything about me?
adam crigler
Well, you heard it here.
Things on the internet are not always true.
Well... If you didn't know that already.
tim pool
I've complained a lot about this.
I even talked to some Wikimedia people.
adam crigler
Wikimedia?
tim pool
Yeah, Wikimedia is the bigger foundation.
adam crigler
Never heard that term.
unidentified
Oh, okay.
tim pool
It's the bigger non-profit organization.
adam crigler
Oh, alright.
tim pool
And I was like, there's an institutional media bias that exists which defends fake news from predominantly left-wing sources, in that if the Washington Post is considered to be a good source, therefore, if someone else writes something and the Washington Post says it's fake, the Washington Post must be telling the truth, proving it's fake.
So it's like a default assumption that long-standing newspapers are correct.
It's so circular though. Exactly. It's like we know it's true because the New York Times said
it's true and we know the New York Times is true because they... The New York Times said it's true.
And then so like the New York Times will say like apples are yellow and then all these other sites
will say apples are yellow and then Wikipedia will say apples are yellow and then if you
actually pick up an apple and say I'm an apple farmer...
No, you're not a good source.
We got to go to the media for this one.
And that perpetuates the insanity of Tim Poole apparently built the Zeppelin.
I kid you not.
Yep.
They think I did.
Well, they finally got it removed because people were like, what is this?
It was the guardian or something.
adam crigler
I'm going to get you a little model Zeppelin for Christmas.
tim pool
You know what it was, though?
I actually know where this came from.
adam crigler
Just a little one that we can have, like, right here instead of the toilet paper.
tim pool
But I know where this came from.
I was talking with a buddy about how to make a drone that could be deployed from a rooftop remotely anywhere in the world.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
So, let's say, like, you're in New York, and you have an office in Cairo.
You could have a Zeppelin on top of... The reason you want to do a Zeppelin is because of the flight time.
You could have it attached to the building charging and then you could be in New York and you could press a button
and it would launch.
There would be a latency issue but you could literally fly it around the city and then press a button and use GPS to
send it back.
That was the extent to which I have ever talked about a Zeppelin.
But apparently some journalists like saw it.
adam crigler
He's secretly building them.
tim pool
And then gave a telephone with other journalists and they were like Tim Pool comma who once built a Zeppelin comma
and then boom.
adam crigler
When you were doing the like basically starting live streaming?
tim pool
Yeah, like back in 2011.
We did the first ever live broadcast via drone.
Or live news broadcast via drone, because drones do broadcast, but we streamed it to the web, we did a series of tests, and then I went to an immigration protest, and we were filming live via drone of this protest.
And I don't know if they've, like, I think they may have done it, I think CNN may have done it.
But I don't think for the most part they've done live broadcasts from the drone.
So we actually hacked it.
We hacked the video feed from the drone using the software development kit.
So basically what it is, you can see all the telemetry data and the code going in controlling
it and then you get a window of it and instead of actually programming it, we screen grabbed
it and pushed it out to Ustream.
And so what most of these companies do, or did, they don't really do the drone stuff anymore, they just recorded it and then uploaded the raw footage later.
So I don't know how many people have actually done live broadcasts.
adam crigler
Well, I mean, as far as the media goes, they probably don't want to do much live stuff because they can't control it.
And they like to be in control, I'm sure.
tim pool
Well, they do live stuff, but it's like they've given up on actually covering the news.
All they want to do now is sit at a table and complain about Trump.
That's where they make their money, you know?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Yeah, let's grab some more.
All right, we're gonna have to start speeding up, though.
Bob Gett says, so have you gotten New York Collapse yet?
I still highly recommend that book.
It seems quite relevant right now.
Yeah, sounds interesting.
adam crigler
Haven't gotten it yet.
tim pool
We'll check it out.
TheOrangeNinjaTurtle.
What turns your run-of-the-mill conspiracy theorist that doesn't believe the official story of 9-11, or who killed JFK, into an anti-Semite for not believing the official Holocaust story?
I don't know.
DarkRengi says, Tim, buddy, thanks for keeping it real and working so hard.
I respect you.
Also, it's pronounced Renji.
Oh, there you go.
DarkRenji.
David says, thoughts on 2A violation closed LA gun stores?
Messed up.
Los Angeles shut them down.
adam crigler
Really?
tim pool
Yeah.
And Trump ordered them essential.
Like, look, man, I don't care.
adam crigler
So, federally, they're essential.
tim pool
But I don't know what's gonna happen.
I don't know if they're reopening or whatever, but... Like, dude, the government swoops in.
Here comes the authoritarians.
We're gonna get to the authoritarian stuff in a second, too, so let's speed up.
Unknown Millennial says, What's up with that story about Vladimir Zelenko in New York curing 350?
Was that fake news?
I see it on the Daily Beast.
Thoughts?
I don't know.
adam crigler
I don't know either.
tim pool
Epith movie says, Tim, try eating your gumbo instead of wearing it.
Absolutely.
I have no idea what anyone's talking about.
adam crigler
I don't know where that came from.
I love this gumbo thing.
tim pool
I would love to make gumbo.
I've actually never made gumbo.
adam crigler
I actually really like it a lot.
tim pool
What is it?
adam crigler
That diner makes, it's like beans and pasta.
Oh.
I'm pretty sure.
Or maybe not beans.
It's like a soup.
Yeah, okra and broth.
Yeah, maybe rice as well.
tim pool
Austin says, Tim Pool nightly show on Subverse News Network.
When?
Um, probably never.
I don't think so.
Yeah, we do the show.
adam crigler
He does enough shows.
Please don't.
tim pool
Three and a half hours every day.
lydia smith
Oh my gosh.
tim pool
Redbeard says, three hours and 40 minutes might do.
Redbeard says, company I work for is defying NC's executive order 121 and staying open.
We make furniture.
adam crigler
Whoa.
Furniture is not essential.
tim pool
Matthew Hammond says, Cassandra Fairbank's article call with Kennedy Center.
I saw a little bit of this.
Jack Posobiec, I think.
I don't know if it was Cassandra, but apparently a whistleblower recorded a phone call with the Kennedy Center.
They received like 25 million dollars from the stimulus and people are... And then didn't they like lay off a bunch of people?
Yeah, yeah.
adam crigler
Right afterwards?
tim pool
Money in the pocket.
Line your pockets with gold.
Marcin says, haha, you need to watch the World Health Organization answering questions on Taiwan.
Yeah, we talked about it.
It's crazy.
All right, I'm gonna start speeding things up.
Mac3n says, nursing homes are getting hit with COVID.
I live in Morgantown, West Virginia.
Sundale is a local one that was hit hard.
Residents and employees are both affected.
Them and their families are being harassed.
Wow.
Student of History says, China's reckoning is imminent.
They caused all of this by downplaying this, taking medical supplies and chipping faulty medical supplies.
They're going to make a lot of people angry, and the CCP deserves it.
Yep.
Matthew, thanks for joining.
adam crigler
Thanks.
tim pool
Ryan Walker says, do you think there will be a legit pushback to China moving forward or back to our old ways?
We'll certainly push Trump's message out into reality.
adam crigler
There's no way we're going back the way it was.
tim pool
No way.
adam crigler
We're going to be building everything ourselves now.
tim pool
Trump's approval is going way up, and I think there's a lot of people who are begrudgingly accepting it, but there's also a lot of people who are waking up to how much the media lies, and they're also realizing how vulnerable we are and how scary it is.
adam crigler
That's, I think, the biggest factor out of all of it.
tim pool
Brett Hutchinson says, hey Adam, once you finish Doom Eternal, check out Shadow Warrior 1 and 2.
They're great games in a similar vein as Doom.
Should also scratch the same itch for anyone who can't afford retail price games.
adam crigler
All right, Shadow Warrior, I'll check it out.
tim pool
All right, I'm gonna speed up a little bit.
Brett Marino, thanks for coming to member.
adam crigler
Yeah, thanks.
tim pool
Let's see.
Annoyed Moderate says, Tim, can you please say China in your best Trump voice?
Yes.
I can't do a particularly good Trump voice, I think.
unidentified
China.
lydia smith
China.
tim pool
Yeah, I know.
adam crigler
You're going downhill.
The first one was the best.
tim pool
No, it was not good.
I can't do it.
Trump is really hard to do impressions of, I gotta be honest.
There's a lot of people I'm really good at.
I'm like, I can just get it.
Trump is tough.
adam crigler
You do better Trump than I do.
I've never actually tried, but I don't want to try.
It'd be horrendous.
tim pool
Joseph Metzler says, China sending out bad products is nothing new.
There is a U.S.
website for recalls.
China is almost all of them.
Their chemical, farms, drums, and PPE cause injuries every year.
My experience as a hazmat worker.
I mean, we actually have a meme in this country, going back to when I was a kid, where stuff would be, say, made in China, and it would break.
That's like, it was a joke, you know?
adam crigler
Yeah, well known.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
Lotus and Myer, thanks for becoming a member.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
Bone says, China nationalized some of U.S.
companies to give them medical PPE first, yet not a peep from the mainstream media.
We only won World War II because our factories were unharmed.
This will lose World War III.
Whoa, scary.
Tyler says, China, Russia, and Iran could be prepping their own populaces for war by spreading claims that we released a bioweapon on them.
Exactly, that's what we are saying.
Yeah, man.
Indist says, from Sydney, Australia, restrictions passed last night with immediate effect, two-person gathering limits.
Whoa, in Sydney, two-person gathering limits and no non-essential travel with $11,000 fine and six months in jail for non-compliance.
What if?
The reason they're giving such heavy-handed, like, quarantines and stuff is more so because they're concerned about war.
They want everyone locked down.
They want to know where everyone is.
Because this is, like, I mean, these are draconian measures we're seeing starting to be implemented, especially for liberal democracies like us.
And no, liberal democracy doesn't mean left.
It means, like, freedom and of liberty.
But I did a video once about, like, how America is a liberal democracy, and I had a bunch of people hitting me up being like, We are not a liberal country.
We are a conservative constitutionalist.
And I'm like, that's not what it means.
adam crigler
Come on.
tim pool
All right, let's read more.
Matt says, y'all probably consider me a conspiracy nut at this point, but I really do get a strong gut feeling that the disinfo we're seeing from China is just the prologue to actual war.
World on the brink.
That's not a conspiracy theory!
That's not a conspiracy theory at all.
Like, a lot of people are... I'm talking to journalists, I'm talking to people who work in Intel, and they're saying, like, what are the chances of this?
Because we've been worried about it for a long time.
Like, I'm telling you, man, when I was working for the ABC News Univision company, there were journalists there talking about China invading and, like, doing these things in other countries.
We've known.
Gregory says, hey guys, just got my DD214 on the 26.
I joined the Washington National Guard to help out against coronavirus.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
Will never turn on Americans.
Awesome, appreciate it.
adam crigler
Yeah, appreciate you.
tim pool
Petro says, cheaters are the first to accuse someone of cheating.
This virus is already showing signs of being a bioweapon, and they're trying to get ahead of the curve.
Maybe.
There's been some speculation, but I don't think we've confirmed anything.
But I will say this, there's no point in speculating or saying it is, because they will use that against us.
What we need to do is talk about the effects, our solution to it, and where it originated.
The facts are on our side.
It started in China, and they lied.
If we start playing this game where we're like, we know it's- They're still lying.
They're still lying too, and it's costing lives.
If we play the game where we start accusing them of a bioweapon, that's when it discredits you.
Because you need hard evidence for that.
adam crigler
Yeah, when I was talking earlier about the back and forth, it's like, we gotta just stop the back and forth and not keep escalating it back and forth until then it becomes a war.
tim pool
It's not that, look, if you go to a regular person and say, I bet it was a bioweapon, they're gonna say, I don't know about that.
If you say, it started there, they lied to us, and they're still lying to us, and now our people are dying, they're gonna be like, whoa.
Like, yeah, I know.
That's clearly provable.
So that's where we should go.
If we get evidence it was, that's fine.
Look, even the official best case scenario that would prove China's lying
is that they just had a breach from a lab.
That would be the, you know, and not a bioweapon.
Like some guy was doing research and then they're bad at what they do.
adam crigler
Or the wet markets are just gross places that are just petri dishes waiting to explode.
tim pool
Oh, totally, man.
adam crigler
And someone... Gutter oil.
Someone eats a rat that... or a bat or something that had it in it.
tim pool
And what's the other one?
Hantavirus or something?
adam crigler
Yeah, but I'm eating rats or something around for a while.
Well, yeah, but I just mean like yeah eat nasty right up So yeah, man, and the fact that they just they finally implemented that the banning of eating wild animals It's just like the timing is crazy like well, they have to it's it's the same face for sure I are they saving face cuz it's like you think that they would yeah, it's all about saving face.
That's why they're lying Yeah, you're right.
tim pool
Totally Swampy says, Nostradamus said the world as we know it would end in 2012.
It wasn't Armageddon.
But think about it.
Society and the world has changed drastically since 2012.
Maybe he wasn't wrong.
Was it Nostradamus?
It was the Mayans' calendar who ended in 2012.
I don't know about Nostradamus.
adam crigler
Well, that's just the Great Year resetting.
unidentified
Right.
adam crigler
And it has nothing to do with the end of the world.
tim pool
It's like someone saying the world ends December 31st because the calendar ends.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
It's like, no, January 1st is next.
adam crigler
Yeah, the year ends.
unidentified
Right.
tim pool
Right. Right. Shun Raiyuanji Matao, Matoi, sorry man. While it may be a conspiracy theory that
China plotted this from the start at the cost of their constituents and silencing Hong Kong,
the trade war and claiming how good they are by the insane left.
That's New Jersey isn't it?
That's where we are.
Brian says, Murphy enacted executive order closing gun shops and NICS background checks
a week ago.
Today, he reversed half of it, opening gun stores, still leaving the NICS system down.
You need it to purchase a gun, clear violation of 2A.
Murphy, that's New Jersey, isn't it?
adam crigler
That's where we are.
tim pool
I don't know.
I mean, dude, it's so hard to get a gun in New Jersey.
You have to write an essay.
adam crigler
I mean, I could write an essay.
unidentified
I kind of want to.
tim pool
Come on, why do I have to write an essay to you?
You know what I mean?
I don't mean you, I mean the government.
I'm not going to write anything to you.
You have to justify why you need it.
unidentified
What?
adam crigler
Get out of here.
tim pool
I don't need to justify anything.
You know what I'll do?
I'll write the Constitution.
That's what I'll write.
adam crigler
What's the reason?
Well, it's my right.
Okay, good enough reason.
tim pool
Second Amendment.
Submit.
adam crigler
It's like getting your weed card in California.
Well, I just... I'm stressed at life.
All right.
There you go.
tim pool
Because.
adam crigler
Because.
Period.
All right.
There you go.
tim pool
Yeah.
adam crigler
All right.
tim pool
Brian M. says, China is an economic built society.
A combat war would never work against them.
Just too many numbers on both sides.
Financial stress is the only and best way to beat them and get their attention.
Trump is doing it pretty well so far.
adam crigler
Well, I think that's kind of why we're bringing it to the brink.
I mean, this whole thing is like a microscope on the fact that we don't do anything for ourselves.
And I bet every American out there is like, we need to do it ourselves and bring it back to America.
China's probably like, uh oh, that's where all our income comes from.
tim pool
You know what's really funny?
I'm sure you will find, like, okay, so Donald Trump comes out and says hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine shows we're seeing studies with promising results.
And he's literally touting some preliminary research that is promising that could cure this disease, and the media comes out against him.
There was a joke that Trump could cure cancer and they would find some way to make it negative.
And now Trump literally comes out and says, like, there were studies.
Numerous countries were like, these things may work.
adam crigler
I saw the charts.
It does show that it drops off everything in like three days.
tim pool
It's fair to say it's preliminary.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But for the media to come out and be like, oh, How dare Trump!
He's not a doctor!
adam crigler
Well, they had the perfect story because that couple... The guy who ate fish cleaner?
Yeah, drank it.
tim pool
But Trump literally said at the press conference, I had to watch it twice today to make sure I had my facts straight.
And he was like, we're hoping to make it available by prescription.
The FDA will be moving as quickly as possible to make it almost immediately available.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
And then he talked about how these treatments have been approved before for other things, so we know that you won't die if you take them, so we're hoping we can go quickly.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
The media writes all this fake news attacking him.
adam crigler
Of course.
tim pool
It's like, that's how insane it is.
adam crigler
It's like, but it has been a prescription that you can get.
Right.
I think it, what is it, not schizophrenia, what kind of... Lupus, rheumatoid arthritis.
Yeah, right.
tim pool
And other autoimmune disorders, but the FDA has now approved it.
Boom.
And now what are they gonna do?
It's like, you know what, man?
It's just, yeah.
Student of History says, where is the hard line with China in your opinion?
I also saw an old video of you with Vice, and all I have to say is, Vice is dead.
Long live the beanie.
CCP virus.
The hard line for me... I don't know what the hard line is, man, because I'm a very, like, anti-war kind of person, but China's got a camp full of a million people where they steal their organs.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's nuts.
tim pool
You know, what's funny is these activists on the left talk about, there's a saying, if you have ever wondered what you'd be doing in World War II Germany, you're doing it right now.
Every day, Donald Trump.
That's what they say.
adam crigler
Seriously?
tim pool
They actually, it's because like, Trump is caging children.
It's like, oh please, Obama was.
Obama was the deporter in chief.
Like, you're not going to play that argument with me, dude.
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not interested.
Like, I'll be critical of it for sure, but I don't believe you actually care.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But now people are saying, back to them, if you ever wondered what you'd be doing in World War II Germany, you're doing it right now because China has a million plus people in a concentration camp where they harvest organs and you are doing nothing and saying nothing.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
Exactly.
So these people want to act all high and mighty.
And look, I'll be honest.
I don't know what I can do.
I complained about it a lot.
We're in America, so we have a constitution, but yeah.
adam crigler
Yep.
tim pool
Alright, let's see, where are we at?
We just had a big super chat jump, because YouTube loves to do this, so it makes it really hard.
adam crigler
I appreciate everybody.
Thanks for coming out.
I know we weren't here Friday, but... Oh man, we've got a ton of super chats in.
For those wondering, the toilet paper is sitting here.
We explained it when we first got here.
Someone sent us a nice care package of a bunch of different food items and a nice four pack.
tim pool
And we just had to put it here to brag.
It's basically like, we know you ain't got any toilet paper, we got And also to say, if you want it, you gotta pay.
No, I'm just kidding.
It's just funny.
Someone sent it to us.
We appreciate it.
All right, here we go.
GS says China buying supplies is insider trading.
Yeah.
adam crigler
Oh, that's true.
tim pool
Augustine Uribe says, I hope it will not come to war, but as a soldier who has trained with forces all over the globe and observed the capabilities of our opposing countries, I know we can win.
It will be a terrible cost, but we would prevail.
At least I hope so.
Shire says, as I've said before, China owns 1.1 trillion in U.S.
bonds.
We can cancel those bonds and recover some of our tax dollars.
Also, the truth will only come out if the CCP falls.
Oh, you know it.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
John Munk says, New York Times reported leaked Pentagon plan three days ago
to launch major military campaign against Iranian militias in Iraq.
COVID-19 be darned.
My wife is deployed. Hope Trump says no to this insanity.
I hope so too.
adam crigler
Never heard of that.
tim pool
David, thanks for the super chat.
NopeNope says, wars are hard to justify when dealing with nuclear powers.
There is a reason there was never a direct conflict between the US and USSR.
Could face cyber trade and proxy wars in China to hurt them.
Jay, thanks for coming to Member.
adam crigler
Thank you.
tim pool
Kyle says, I keep seeing articles of people dying from complications due to coronavirus.
What exactly does this mean?
Do you want to explain that?
adam crigler
Yeah, I don't know about it.
lydia smith
So I'd assume that complications related to coronavirus would be pretty much all of the ways that you could die of coronavirus in a hospital.
Like suffocating?
Like the fact that you can't breathe.
adam crigler
That's just basically how they say you died of coronavirus.
tim pool
Sean says, EU civil war more likely than anything else.
When Spain and Italy decide to no longer pay the dues and Germany and France send an army to force them to, the rest of the EU nations pick sides.
I agree.
adam crigler
Yeah, didn't even think about that.
tim pool
Harry Butensky says, thanks for the great stories.
Stay safe and ration the toilet paper.
Oh, we will.
lydia smith
We will.
adam crigler
We're going to divvy it up after the show.
tim pool
Everybody gets one play.
Not looking forward to when the Chinese run out of food.
Supposedly a swarm of locusts heading to China.
Fake news?
And yes, Asgard had a shield.
Oh, it's heading.
Yeah, it was in Egypt and it's making its way through the Middle East.
adam crigler
Yeah, worst timing ever, too, man.
tim pool
It's a plague, man.
This is, yeah, terrifying.
Hikage says, keep up the good work, man.
What you do is important.
Appreciate it.
Kaj says, Soy Jesus, World War III is inevitable.
War brought our economy back from the Great Depression, and if you, our economy, tanks because of Chinese plague, war will bring our economy back again.
China started this.
I love him.
I am familiar.
some toilet paper today only because it looked like it was out of stock. Always look, don't
assume, love your content. P.S. Caps isn't yelling.
Appreciate it.
Annie says, Take a look at Dr. Warren Farrell. He has talked about the boy crisis and how
fatherless homes have negative effects on the development of children growing up, and
how culture worsens some problems. I am familiar. Yeah, we'll check him out.
Benito says, What's up?
Beanie bros and Lydia of Whiterun.
Oh yeah, thank you.
XI says, USAF has wild weasel squadrons in South Korea and Japan.
WW pilots wait for missiles to be fired, then fire their own missiles at the enemy ground radar and then evade the enemy... Whoa!
Wild weasel pilots.
Gnarly.
adam crigler
Boss.
tim pool
Jean McLeod says, a YouTuber, Mr. Reagan, has a friend that says Italy is fudging their death numbers.
The friend had a grandma die of cancer, but the doctor wrote down death as CCP virus.
Do you have friends in Italy that can confirm this?
No, but I have heard the exact same rumor from several different people, and I don't believe it's real.
I don't know who Mr. Reagan's source is or anything like that, so this is nothing on him, but outside of anything he does, because I'm not trying to impugn the honor or credibility, I have had people say to me, like, dude, my friend's grandma died of cancer and they claimed it was this.
And I'm like, that's funny.
Cause like seven people have all said the same thing to me.
My friend's grandma, my friend's, it's very much like the text messages that were going around where it was like, my friend works for the military and they said, Trump's going to do this.
Everybody got the text.
Everybody was sending it and they all were claiming it was their friend in the military doing it.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
So look, before his video came out, I already had three people tell me that their friend or family member or, you know, friend of a friend in Italy died of something, you know, died of cancer, and then they recorded it as something else.
So it could be a sign that they're actually doing it, because it's happening a lot.
Or it could be kind of strange that people keep saying, my friend's grandma died, my friend's grandma died, my friend's grandma died, and I'm like, you know, at the third or fourth time I hear about someone's friend's grandma dying, I'm kind of like, did someone just claim that's what happened?
And you're acting like it's your friend, when it's actually just you repeating someone else's, you know.
adam crigler
Yeah, I'm pretty sure they can tell if it's a death by coronavirus.
tim pool
Well, it's not just that, it's like, if someone has a pre-existing condition, like cancer, and the coronavirus kills them, Wouldn't they say it was a complication due to the coronavirus?
A death with a pre-existing condition?
adam crigler
Yeah, that makes sense.
tim pool
Is it possible the person was immunocompromised because of the cancer?
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
So, yeah, you know, whatever.
adam crigler
Good point.
tim pool
Mr. Paul says, The enigmatic disconnected voice Lydia is correct.
Gumbo is with okra.
Soy Jesus Jesus won't like the next chicken and sausage with rice.
Lydia needs camera.
We're getting there.
We actually have the camera, we just need to actually start, you know, building stuff and getting ready.
Paxton Fairbank says, Yikes.
Alright, did we just have a big jump again?
is what we have call it forever for crap from China and just Google gumbo pick New Orleans
or other Southern will do.
Paxton Fairbank says if this breaks out into war with China and I will never be convinced
General MacArthur was wrong when he wanted to continue through NK to Beijing.
Yikes.
All right.
Do we just have a big jump again?
Where are we at?
So YouTube likes to do this.
Here we go.
I don't remember that episode.
Yeah, what episode was it?
We'll figure it out.
about Star Trek TNG episode that is mirroring what is happening now.
I would like to see your opinion on it.
However, it does not bring me hope.
Ooh, I wanna watch that.
What episode is it?
adam crigler
I don't remember that episode.
tim pool
Yeah, what episode was it?
We'll figure it out.
Who did you say?
Accursed Farms.
We'll take a look at that.
Super Bam Bam says, Our insurance company for where I work said they would pay for the testing for COVID, but not for treatment.
Well, at least you know, right?
Sumner Robertson says, Is it more beneficial for you if I become a member or donate weekly?
Um, well, I'll tell you guys, we used to be heavy on the membership, but there were, you know, there's a lot of challenges with maintaining it, and we wanted to make sure we had the podcast available on various platforms, which kind of negates the purpose of, like, making someone pay, so now it's just unlisted every day.
Superchat's probably the best way to do it, but there was also a challenge with overlap between my content and the content we do for the show, because it's not necessarily the same thing.
Like, you know, I don't want to get into too much of the details, but...
If you like the show, contribute to the show, and that's the easiest way to put it.
Superchats are probably better if you do them more often.
YouTube takes a huge cut, by the way.
So, honestly, just do what you want to do to help out the show, and it's appreciated.
adam crigler
And like, subscribe, and share.
Maybe that'll help a lot, too.
Spread it.
tim pool
Oh yeah, sharing definitely helps.
Spread the word.
Thanks for becoming a member.
Cliff says, when you can, take a look at the YouTube channel Dr. Mike. He's a real
medical doctor from New York and I find him very reliable.
He just interviewed Dr. Fauci. When this is over, you should try to get him on
the podcast. Sounds good. Brian, thanks for becoming a member.
adam crigler
Thanks.
tim pool
Andrew Simmons says, the main problem with the idea that there would be a World War III, the USA will not go after population centers.
There is no hate for Chinese citizens.
Unlike World War II's us-versus-them mentality, war is different today.
Absolutely.
adam crigler
That's a good point.
Really good point, yeah.
tim pool
Some Grumpy Goat says, hey Tim, hope you're all doing well.
If this tussle between US and China continue, by 2077 our currency will be bottle caps.
I completely agree.
adam crigler
Or toilet paper.
tim pool
Or toilet paper.
Possibly toilet paper.
adam crigler
I'm going to get rid of this, though.
tim pool
Or why are you going to take it out?
Why?
It was a good centerpiece.
adam crigler
Well, I mean, we're going to have a different segment.
It's a conversation starter.
It's fine for the first one, I bet.
tim pool
And that brings me to the next story and a potential controversial subject, civil rights in an era of global pandemic.
What you see now on your screens is a story from U.S.
News.
Thousands march in Spain on Women's Day despite coronavirus fears.
March 8th, the day before my birthday.
Tens of thousands of feminists in Spain did not care, ignored the warnings of the coronavirus.
Many of them probably didn't know.
And they marched side by side in a massive crowd.
adam crigler
That is a huge crowd.
tim pool
That is a huge crowd.
Look at that picture.
And at the time, you know hindsight is 20-20, so at the time they didn't really think anything of it.
Oh a couple hundred, it was 600 or so people who had the coronavirus.
Now Spain is one of the hardest hit areas.
So it's easy to look back and claim how stupid these people were, and I certainly think it is a criticism.
This was at a time when we already had China locking down the entirety of their country and people were really concerned it was going to get bad.
But it's not just about the feminists.
It's also about the pastors.
A Florida pastor was arrested after ignoring coronavirus emergency orders and bringing crowds to his church.
There is, you know, a bunch of studies, a bunch of polls, I should say, came out showing the left is more willing to adhere, you know, to the warnings, I guess, and the right is less likely to.
Okay.
Because many people on the right feel that the media is just trying to drum up fear for either ratings or to make Trump look bad.
This results in a lot of people on the right downplaying things.
adam crigler
Makes sense.
tim pool
So, you know, even though—the funny thing is, I feel like the right also got roped into this, they got baited, because Trump actually started the task force on the 29th, banned travel on the 31st, I think, and the media was still saying, nah, ignore Trump, he's a xenophobe, he's overreacting, the flu is worse, and then finally when Trump and his supporters started buying into what they were saying, saying, oh, we don't think it's that bad, the media flipped and then started saying, ah-ha, we got you!
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And then it made Trump double down.
He's like, ah, it's the fake news.
And it made sense, because if you have a media saying everything's fine, and then you say everything must be fine, but then they start accusing you of saying everything's wrong, you're like, I don't believe you.
You're just lying to make me look bad.
And so now we have this, you know, basically, this thing basically happening.
But it actually does get kind of a bit more sad.
A pastor who claimed COVID-19 hysteria was a plot against Trump dies from the virus.
So this one actually makes me sad.
adam crigler
Yeah, it's a bummer.
tim pool
Serious bummer.
adam crigler
He actually died on the way home, too.
He wasn't even home.
He was on his way back from... From the hospital?
Yeah, he was in New Orleans and doing some sort of, you know, spreading the word.
And he caught the virus and was on his way back.
And like halfway home, he collapsed and went to a hospital right there.
And I think it was like the next day.
unidentified
Whoa!
tim pool
Like that fast?
adam crigler
Yeah, so it's really, it really is a sad story, yeah.
tim pool
Man.
Yeah, so, look.
You know, we were talking about this earlier, and I was like, you know, making fun of a large group of feminists is like, you know, who's really going to complain?
It's like a group of people, it's not an individual.
None of them, like, necessarily lost their lives or anything.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But this is like a dude.
And so this stuff kind of worries me that if people aren't going to take it seriously or they're going to, you know, downplay it, And then they're going to end up losing their lives.
This makes me sad.
This is a human being.
This is an individual who, at least according to Patheos, had an incorrect view of how serious this was.
And now people take this stuff seriously.
I don't know.
Do you want to read the story?
adam crigler
I mean, no, not really.
We pretty much covered it already.
It's pretty much a bummer.
I mean, he was basically believing the media, or not believing the media, like, no, this is just some thing against Trump, and Trump's telling me it's okay, so I'm going to go out and keep doing it.
And, you know, believing that the Lord was going to keep him protected, which is obviously not true.
Or like that other article we just had, what did the pastor Rodney Howard Brown told his followers there was a plan to shut down Christianity and that God might replenish their low supply of toilet paper.
tim pool
It's just like... You know, I almost don't believe it though.
I gotta be serious.
adam crigler
It's tough to believe.
It is tough to believe, you're right.
But you know what's crazy?
That same day that the feminists marched is the same day, I just checked it out, is the same day the Smurf gathering in France.
unidentified
What?
tim pool
These people, man.
adam crigler
Yeah, I had to look it up.
I was like, no way.
Is it the same time?
Because it was right around our birthday.
tim pool
Oh, tell people what the Smurf thing was, because they probably don't know.
adam crigler
Right, so actually in France, the same day as this feminist gathering was the Guinness World Record of the largest Smurf gathering of people dressed up as Smurfs.
And sure enough, two or three days later, France's COVID-19 cases spiked up.
tim pool
Well, but the incubation period's a couple weeks.
adam crigler
True, that's a good point.
Maybe it wasn't a day or two later, I don't know exactly, but I remember having a conversation with you.
I saw France is spiking now, and I'm like, hmm, what happened recently?
Oh yeah, there was that Smurf gathering.
And it's like, what is up with these people gathering?
It's like they didn't believe it.
You can't blame the media, because the media flip-flops.
Sometimes they're saying it's crazy, sometimes they're saying Trump's lying, it's not so bad, it's just the flu.
tim pool
No, I blame the media.
That's good point.
flip-flop when it's convenient so they can get traffic that's good that way
they can simulate like you can google search something like Los Angeles is a
paradise and Los Angeles sucks vice.com and see vice writing both articles yeah
they do it because they want to capture the entirety of the audience so then
what ends up happening is people don't trust the media They assume everything the media is saying is a lie.
So if a story comes out that's actually important, they won't actually believe it, right?
So a lot of people end up not believing it.
They'll fall victim to this.
But I'm not super concerned about whether or not people choose to believe the media or not.
The bigger question here is, should the pastor be arrested for telling his congregation to come together?
Should the feminists be, you know, broken up?
Should the event be shut down because of the coronavirus?
Should people have a right to peacefully assemble?
Should people have a right to go on Facebook and post memes saying they don't think it's real?
adam crigler
I can't say no.
Yes, people should always have the rights.
But people should be smart!
It's like, it doesn't make sense to be going out and when this is going on.
It's like, I don't understand why they would want to still, you know?
It's like, Yes, I get, you know, coming together for a reason, you know, like the Feminist March makes a lot more sense to me than the Smurf gathering.
You know, it's like that could have very easily been postponed.
There seemed to be a lot more people.
This was in Spain, is that where it was?
tim pool
Yeah, the feminist march.
adam crigler
Yeah, okay.
It's like, that was a lot of people, you know?
I wouldn't have expected that many people in Spain, you know?
It's like, but I guess so.
tim pool
Oh, totally.
That's a big lefty.
adam crigler
In a pandemic.
I'm sorry, in a pandemic.
tim pool
But it wasn't a pandemic at the time.
adam crigler
Oh, okay.
tim pool
Or actually, was it?
unidentified
It was.
adam crigler
I'm pretty sure.
unidentified
It was.
adam crigler
Yeah.
I think it was.
I'm pretty sure it was, you know?
Because we were talking about the Smurf thing, like, what are these people doing?
tim pool
Or it was an outbreak, at least.
Let's figure out when the pandemic actually was declared.
Because it was March 8th, they went out protesting.
Well, so here's the bigger question.
You know, Trump was talking about hard quarantining us.
That was freaky.
You know, we're like, whoa.
adam crigler
Yeah, you freaked out there for a little bit.
tim pool
Well, but I mean, for good reason.
We're going to close the bridges?
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
How do we, where do we go?
Like, what do we, you know, are we trapped?
adam crigler
What goes through, like the food trucks?
Is that the only thing that is allowed to pass through?
tim pool
So Dr. Fauci and other medical experts talked to Trump and said it was a bad idea.
So they issued a strong travel advisory.
Because if they did announce a hard quarantine, people would flee this state so fast they couldn't do anything about it.
It would cause just pandemonium.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Like, if there was, you know, the National Guard on the bridge, and there was, like, I don't know what that would entail, like, would they just park a couple trucks and, like, have it just, you know, like you were saying, like, turn around, go back, you know, like, have, like, some sort of turnaround system.
But, like, if enough people wanted to get over that bridge, They're gonna make it over that bridge.
tim pool
I think we're still close to that happening.
Like, China locked everything down.
That's why you saw the riots.
So yeah, if in China they're gonna riot and flip over a police vehicle and bash people with shields... Well, I feel... People here would.
adam crigler
I mean, I don't know for certain, but knowing the temperature in China, like, not actual temperature, but just like the...
The environment of China, CCP versus the people, basically.
It's just like, we've seen it in the past.
tim pool
Well, a lot of the people in China, they're used to this.
The government will oppress you, you can't do anything about it.
In the U.S., we're rebellious, hard-headed, F you to the government.
adam crigler
But what generation, though?
What generation in China is used to it?
tim pool
All of them.
adam crigler
It feels like there's younger, like some sort of young, like all the whistleblowers are younger generations.
They're not old people, they're younger people.
tim pool
Because they have access to better access.
adam crigler
Younger meaning like, probably like in their 30s or 40s.
It seems like, you know, they seem younger, you know.
But, you know, that's, and those are the people that I saw fighting.
You know, it wasn't a bunch of old people fighting the police.
It was like a younger generation fighting.
tim pool
All right, so here's the question.
First, I'll get to the serious question.
We have another story here from Buzzfeed.
They were opposed to government surveillance, then the coronavirus pandemic began.
As nations around the world take on sweeping new powers to fight the disease, critics aren't sure what's necessary and what's too far.
I don't necessarily want to read this, but I just want to highlight that the conversation is here.
We are seeing an expansion of federal authorities.
We are seeing, in Maryland, one year in jail and a $5,000 fine up to if you violate their stay-at-home order.
And they've announced, in the decree, it's indefinite until they say so.
adam crigler
Man.
tim pool
In Virginia, they said until June 10th.
adam crigler
You know, all I see is...
Like a lot of people even people that I know I'm sure a lot of people out there are staying in They are abiding by the quarantine and like trying to stay in and only go out when needed But then we got all these stupid spring breakers and like, you know people gathering going like I have a lot of friends in New York that are posting pictures of the park and And there's mad people in the park.
tim pool
Yeah, totally.
unidentified
Of course.
adam crigler
Like, no one cares.
And it's like, they're the reason, the people that are going out to the parks, I mean, are the reason that this is going on.
This is getting worse and worse because them just going, let's just quarantine, please just stay inside, that's not working.
tim pool
And so what, the only answer is hard enforcement?
It's a violation of the First Amendment.
adam crigler
I agree.
You know, but it's like, what is, you know, where's the line?
tim pool
Here's the question.
I'll give you a scenario.
It's 10 a.m.
You hear a knock on the door.
You walk to the door, open it up, and there's a guy in military uniform with his hands behind his back.
Next to him is a doctor, and he's got a needle, and he flicks it, and he says, Mr. Krigler, your shot?
Your arm, please?
What do you do?
Do you say, yes sir, please inject me with this unknown foreign substance.
I'll just trust you.
Or do you say, I'm not letting you put that, who are you?
You're not my doctor.
I don't know who you are.
adam crigler
I mean, I would definitely deny that because if they're going to do that, it's going to be, you know, at a hospital or some sort of like, you know, tent that they set up.
tim pool
Let's say they announce, um, in order to lift the quarantine, everyone's got to get a vaccine and they get, you get a card in the mail and it says you must arrive to the, this, you know, makeshift FEMA emergency camp at 10 AM.
You show up a bunch of people in line one at a time and they walk up they prick you in the arms next person
They just keep giving everyone vaccines. Would you would you walk in and just take the shot from the government? I
adam crigler
think so, I Don't know if I would I
I say that begrudgingly because I'm the same as you.
I need to know research.
I need to know what's going on.
I need to have all the details.
I want to see all the tests.
I want to know that it's been proven and that it works.
If I'm not getting that, I'm going to be I agree.
hesitant, but if every single person is getting it and they're not giving me a choice, it's like
tim pool
What is the choice then right? You know, that's authoritarianism. I and that's no that's terrifying
I agree. Do you stand your principles and say like so here's the issue, right?
I'm so we talked about before I've gotten a ton of vaccinations because I when I would travel around like you
got to do it man You don't want to get yellow fever or like typhus or something.
adam crigler
Definitely.
tim pool
So I got no problem.
I went to the doctor and I was like, give it to me, you know.
And you know what's crazy is one of them, I think it was the Hep A shot.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
Goes in your skin.
adam crigler
Ooh, really?
tim pool
Yeah.
Like not all the way, just like a little... They go sideways into your skin and that hurt.
He was like, this one's gonna hurt the most.
And I'm like, all right.
And I was like, wow, that did hurt the most.
It hasn't hurt that bad.
adam crigler
So it's interesting though that you would freely just take these vaccines that have already been proven.
tim pool
Longstanding.
adam crigler
Right, longstanding.
tim pool
Lots of data.
adam crigler
True, right, lots of data.
tim pool
Now we have a bumbling government.
adam crigler
It feels like they have everything they can on this because I still believe that they're freaking out.
The reason they... I mean, one of the reasons, because there's many reasons I'm sure they're freaking out, is because it's hitting the generation that's in charge.
tim pool
Right, right, of course.
adam crigler
You know, so they're really trying to figure this out so they can have a vaccine soon.
tim pool
Let's do it another way.
Let's say the government showed up, and badges, verified, you're like, it's very obvious it's the government, and they said, we want to take this pill of hydroxychloroquine and this pill of azithromycin right now.
Would you take it?
adam crigler
No, I don't have the disease.
unidentified
No, no, no.
tim pool
They said, we've found it's prophylactic.
We want everyone to take it, and it'll protect you, and this is the official thing.
Don't worry about a vaccine.
Just take these pills, and you're good to go, and we're going door-to-door to administer this.
adam crigler
Okay.
Can I ask, do they watch me?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or can I pop it in my mouth and be like, thanks?
No, no, they're right there.
tim pool
Like, put it in your mouth.
unidentified
Take it.
adam crigler
Alright.
Put it in my mouth and walk inside it.
tim pool
No, they want you to take it.
The reason I'm asking it this way is... Hide it in the closet for, if I do get it.
The reason I'm asking this way is because what people need to understand about my reticence is that the media just spent the past several weeks telling me that these treatments were dangerous and will kill you.
adam crigler
That's a good point.
tim pool
So now if the government says, Hey, it actually does work.
I'm going to be like, I don't know, BuzzFeed told me it'll kill me.
I'm not going to take that pill, are you nuts?
And it's BuzzFeed's fault, not mine.
adam crigler
Well, I don't believe the media and hopefully a lot of people, I mean, seriously, a lot of people are learning that the media is crazy and not paying attention to it anymore.
tim pool
Look, a ton of sites told me that the drug tethered by Trump will kill you.
And I just heard a story about a man in Arizona who took the drug and died.
And they're going to try and explain to me it's not true.
And I'm going to be like, blame BuzzFeed.
adam crigler
Yep, blame the media.
tim pool
Blame these sites that were lying this whole time.
adam crigler
And that he took the drug.
I say in quotes because it wasn't.
tim pool
This is a real conundrum though because there, look man, there's a lot of people who are anti-vaxxers for really strange reasons.
Like they see memes and they believe fake things.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
There are a lot of people who ask legitimate questions and get smeared in the press as being anti-vaxx.
Like one of the things that comes up is they ask, I don't think my child should be forced by the government to medicate in order to go to school.
I'm like, okay, that's an interesting point.
You can believe that vaccines work and they're very important, but not like the idea of the government forcing you to medicate.
I certainly don't like the idea of the government mandated medication.
That sounds insane.
It's like 1984 or worse.
The government doctor shows up, here's your pill for the day.
Nah, not interested.
So the challenge now is, we have a pandemic.
People are dying.
adam crigler
Yes, they are.
tim pool
Vaccine sounds like it'd be a pretty good thing.
adam crigler
I agree.
tim pool
I would like to not get the coronavirus and have my lungs explode, right?
Yeah.
But it's a question of, if we just give in today, what does that mean for tomorrow?
If we just say like, I don't care if the government forces us to medicate, then at what point are they just like, it's a normal thing, everyone medicates, take your pills, shut up.
adam crigler
And get your chip when you're born.
tim pool
Yep.
adam crigler
Because it's normal.
tim pool
You know, I don't think the chip thing will ever really catch on though.
It's like, I feel like the implant chip idea, which exists, and it's not a conspiracy theory, there are companies and people actually voluntarily get the chips in their hands.
It's like, you know in Back to the Future?
In part two when they go to the future and they see the hologram of the shark and the self-lacing shoes?
It's an archaic view of what the future would be.
What didn't they predict?
Cell phones.
They hit a hoverboard because they had skateboards and they're like, what if a skateboard could float?
And so they imagine that, no, we invented cell phones and now we can have access to the summation of human knowledge anywhere we are and use it to look at pictures of cats and argue with strangers.
But we don't have self-lacing clothes.
I think the chip in people's skin is the equivalent of that.
It's like 20 years ago they were like, what if you had a chip that could do these things?
Now we have cell phones and we're like, I can just... Nike did actually build the shoes.
I know, I know.
adam crigler
They're a little expensive though.
Not worth it.
tim pool
But I can just wave my phone over the door and the door opens.
Right?
adam crigler
Yeah.
lydia smith
It's funny that you mention smartphones and chips because in China they are requiring you to have a little green barcode before you go back to work.
tim pool
Really?
adam crigler
What's a little green barcode?
lydia smith
What do you mean?
It's on your phone.
You have to scan it.
I saw them.
I literally saw a video of them scanning.
tim pool
But what does that do?
lydia smith
It tells them that you're cleared.
You went to the doctor.
You got the okay.
And they take your temperature, of course.
tim pool
Dude, I would not want to live in a place like China.
adam crigler
China is an authoritarian state.
I guess it's not really surprising.
And we're also seeing how it doesn't really work.
lydia smith
It doesn't.
tim pool
The system can only handle so much, but I will say a surveillance state makes it substantially more likely the authoritarian regime stays in power.
adam crigler
That's a good point.
tim pool
If people can't assemble and communicate without being shut down, there you go.
So that's why we have the First Amendment, right?
The right to peaceably assemble so we can talk about these ideas and push back.
But if they're surveilling us, the moment you send a text message where you're like, I don't like this, they come for you.
They snatch you up.
lydia smith
Yeah, like we saw in that one movie.
tim pool
Which movie?
lydia smith
The Hunt.
tim pool
Oh yeah, The Hunt.
We should talk about that.
Should we talk about The Hunt?
adam crigler
We should.
lydia smith
Alright, let's do this.
Let's do that next.
tim pool
Alright, we're gonna talk about The Hunt.
The movie where liberals kidnap conservatives and then hunt them for sport.
Alright, but first we'll grab some of these superchats.
We'll try to make it go quick.
But there, because there's, there's a ton of super chats, you guys.
I really, really appreciate all the super chats.
adam crigler
I just got a burst of energy that we're going to talk about something other than Corona Pirates.
unidentified
I was like, yes, a movie!
adam crigler
And it wasn't bad.
tim pool
The hunt was great.
I was, I was, I was, I was surprised how good it was.
lydia smith
I was really pleasantly surprised.
tim pool
Well, let's grab these super chats.
unidentified
All right.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
All right.
unidentified
Where are we at?
tim pool
Where are we at?
Cliff says, when you can, take a look.
Oh, we talked about that one.
Okay.
All right.
Let's see where we are.
So I'm gonna go, I think we got you.
Yes, Samuel Farmer says, all the my friends' grandma people aren't making it up.
It's just one guy they all know.
So only one grandma, but all his friends are saying it, so it seems like more.
That's a really good point.
adam crigler
Six degrees, isn't it?
Yeah, it could be one person.
Seven degrees?
Six degrees is separated.
tim pool
You know, Auntie Smith's son, or you know, Auntie... Jemima.
No, no, what's an Italian name?
I don't know.
adam crigler
I don't know.
tim pool
Giovanni.
lydia smith
Yeah, Giovanna.
tim pool
Has a son named Giovanni.
And he's a really popular guy who knows everybody.
He told all his 10,000 friends.
They tell everybody and everyone thinks it's 10,000 grandmas.
lydia smith
That's the whole world.
adam crigler
10,000 grandmas later.
tim pool
Stephen says, China is a paper tiger.
China has not seen war in decades.
Troops are ill-equipped.
They spend more time learning propaganda than military training.
Military branches don't have central coordination.
lydia smith
Yes, but they stole all our ideas and they have more men than women.
So those are my two arguments.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
unidentified
Where are we at?
tim pool
There we go.
Alright, Summoner says, I know YouTube takes some of the money when you do memberships, but I was wondering if you receive 100% of the money via donations.
I know you're not making as much money as normal, so I wanted to help.
Uh, the stuff on my website is like, I think, if you go to timcast.com slash donate, it's like, uh...
3% goes to PayPal.
But I do want to stress, this show is entirely different, right?
So my show is, you're supporting my shows directly.
If you want to support the whole crew, then giving to Super Chat and membership supports the crew.
Yes it does.
Thank you guys.
One of the challenges was that I was getting hit up by people who were saying they were going to cancel the donations to my other content and then move to YouTube, which YouTube actually takes a massive cut of.
But we're, so we're trying to create them, like, the stuff I do in the morning is very different from the stuff I do at night because Adam and Lydia are part of the show as well.
Right.
So, you know, my shows in the morning are supporting me.
The stuff you do now supports everybody.
Just so that's clear for everyone.
It's, like, different.
All right, let's see.
Harry To says, CNBC article, mall owner Taubman tells tenants must pay rent.
He owns 25 malls.
Scary stuff, man.
Well, he's not gonna get it.
adam crigler
25 malls?
tim pool
Yeah, he's not gonna get that money.
adam crigler
You don't need 25 malls, man.
tim pool
Well, I mean, you know, if you want them, it's fine.
But if you think people are going to be paying rent now... What is that saying?
lydia smith
You can't get blood out of a turnip?
You can't get something that ain't there.
adam crigler
Right.
lydia smith
You're not going to get it.
Sorry.
tim pool
Gavin, thanks for coming to Member.
adam crigler
Thanks.
tim pool
Nunya Biz says, Tim, here is the overstated Italy figure story.
Remember, Tim, you're talking about a media complex that censored Brazil's leaders and berate Trump for talking about a studied, trusted medicine as well.
Yeah, the media is trash.
adam crigler
Agreed.
tim pool
Period.
Agreed.
It's as unfortunate, but it is.
Except for Subverse News, which you should check out.
They're doing great work, by the way.
adam crigler
And also, TimCast is pretty good news also.
tim pool
Yes.
Joseph Kasky says, My concern about freedom of speech in America is that we have a media apparatus that freely lies.
If the government were to crack down on media, it could inadvertently affect the rest of us poorly.
adam crigler
How do you crack down on media without cracking down on freedom of speech?
We're the ones, the people are the ones who give the media so much power by watching them and listening to them.
tim pool
Mockingbird.
Paperclip was the World War II thing.
lydia smith
Immigration Mockingbird?
tim pool
Mockingbird was when they infiltrated media, right?
lydia smith
I think so.
adam crigler
Who did?
tim pool
The CIA.
adam crigler
Oh, okay.
tim pool
So, I don't know a whole lot about it, but there was a senator who claimed the CIA had positioned its agents within media companies.
Something like that.
There's a lot of details I don't know, and maybe it's not even true, I don't know.
lydia smith
It started in the early 50s and they tried to manipulate news media for propaganda.
unidentified
Boom.
There you go.
lydia smith
Well, that worked.
tim pool
Alright, let's see what we got.
The school bus says, Tim, I grew up in a church environment since I was a kid.
Maybe the toilet paper replenishment is bunk, but God protecting you from the virus would be something you'd hear a lot of in a church.
unidentified
Oh, 100%.
lydia smith
Yeah, totally.
Yeah.
tim pool
Paxson says, too much talk about rights and not enough talk about responsibilities.
Everyone maintains their rights, but they should also take responsibility to not spread the virus.
People should act to maintain their liberal societies.
Excellent point that we missed over.
lydia smith
How do you encourage responsibility without trampling on rights?
That is mostly the concern.
Because rights are easy to take away.
And responsibility is hard to enforce.
adam crigler
I'm right.
It's like, setting examples doesn't really work.
Like, that's what you've been saying.
It's like, how do you set an example without, like... Well, I have an idea.
tim pool
What if there was a place, and we could put people in it, if they did things we didn't like.
And if they didn't want to go there, we would use guns.
What are you implying?
unidentified
Oh yeah, okay.
tim pool
I'm sure we're going with this.
know and then what we do is we take their organs and sell them.
That's what China is doing.
lydia smith
Oh yeah, okay.
tim pool
That's what China is doing.
That is not an answer to any of these problems.
It makes them worse.
It makes everyone in the world hate you.
So yeah, it is a serious trouble.
It's cultural.
Bad parenting.
This is the problem of, uh... Public shaming.
adam crigler
Let's bring it back.
tim pool
No, we have public shaming.
It's called cancel culture.
The problem is... Yeah, I don't like that.
adam crigler
No, not everyone's online.
And you can turn it off.
It's not the same.
tim pool
No, it's not about being online, man.
Like, people who are not online lose their jobs still in cancel culture.
They'll post your photo, they'll post your face, and you'll have no idea what's going on.
And then all of a sudden you get fired.
People start making phone calls.
lydia smith
That's even worse.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's a good point.
tim pool
So, the problem is that we don't think ahead, and so we encourage really bad behaviors that have long-term negative effects.
We assume.
It's like, it's totally fine if people don't have dads.
And then 20 years later, they're like, it was really bad that they didn't have dads.
lydia smith
We tried to kick out the legs from our culture.
We're like, we can take this all for granted.
And this is something Heather McDonald, Heather Haying talks about.
She talks about how she feeds her kids organic food because she doesn't think that you should mess with stuff that you don't understand completely.
Like, don't change things that have been this way for, you know, millennia.
Yeah, you don't mess with it, and we're trying to do that.
tim pool
It's not even about trying, it's that we don't care, because we're like, I don't see any negative effects to having no dad.
Yeah, it's fine today.
lydia smith
Yeah, it's no big deal.
unidentified
Right?
lydia smith
We'll give you money.
tim pool
You don't got a dad?
No, what's the problem?
And then 20 years later, it's like a dude's in jail and on drugs, and it's like, hmm, maybe you should have had a dad.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
We know too late.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
All right, let's see.
JMAC says, I found that the more libertarian-minded individuals that trust the government less have been more prepared for this crisis than those that either like governmental control or are geopolitically unaware.
Thoughts?
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
So I think it's true that Democrats aren't preparing.
Or no, no, they are preparing more.
And that's actually proves the point because the conservatives already prepared.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And the Democrats didn't.
So now that everything's falling apart, they're rushing to the gun stores.
This is the funniest thing to me.
Seeing people in LA be like, why are gun stores closed?
Because you voted for these people.
lydia smith
Well, they walk in and they're like, why can't I get a gun today?
Let me give you more money.
Let's make this happen.
And the gun owner is like, are you serious?
This is what you voted for.
It's 10 days.
tim pool
These people, man.
They don't pay attention, and I don't necessarily blame them because it's not everyone's job to know everything, but if you're not paying attention, this is what happens when you vote for this stuff.
lydia smith
You should know what you're voting for.
tim pool
You should.
Emika, thanks for the super chat.
Oh man, it just jumped on us.
Where are we at?
There we go.
Let's see, Pousa says, yes the pastor should be arrested.
As a devout Christian, we obey the government, even if it costs us our lives and livelihood.
Roman 13, the second guy.
Sad, but wisdom prudence in is the Bible, Proverbs.
MixGChan says, I have five years in USA and the only vaccinated once when I was approved for my green card.
I have never gotten sick in the US.
I believe my immune system got enough while living in the Caribbean islands.
Interesting.
PaterisRex says, data, data, data.
Cannot make bricks without clay.
Work as shopping cart repair and cleaning tech.
Thanks for what you do.
Appreciate it, man.
Have you seen the article about the guy who owns a closed Philadelphia hospital and is refusing to let the government use it unless they pay him one million a month?
lydia smith
I saw that go by.
tim pool
Something about it.
I didn't know.
adam crigler
No, I haven't heard of that.
tim pool
Well, what I read was that he wanted fair market price.
And they said no.
And he said no.
lydia smith
That's eminent domain then.
They need to give him fair market price.
tim pool
Yeah, they do.
Absolutely.
That's what people don't understand.
If the government is going to seize your property or requisition in any capacity, they owe you the fair market.
If the government doesn't do it, you don't give it up.
Think about what would happen if this dude, like, you know, it's easy to say, do the right thing for our society and give them access to your hospital.
Think about it from his perspective.
And I don't know, maybe he's a bad dude, right?
Put that out there.
But it could also be him looking at his books and being like, if you take these numbers, we can't maintain the building, the power gets shut off, all the staff are fired.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And then they said, we don't care.
And he's like, well, then get out of here.
And then everyone's saying, like, what a bad person.
We don't know.
We don't know.
lydia smith
Yeah, the optics are bad, but he might have his reasons.
tim pool
Ralph, thanks for the big ol' super chat.
And Ray Johnson says, is your assembly peaceable if it could potentially kill hundreds or thousands of people?
Well, the problem with that is, is your assembly peaceable if you trust the government?
adam crigler
Yeah, there's a guy in South Africa who had coronavirus or COVID, whatever, and broke quarantine to go to church.
And then he was, I think, being held for attempted murder or something.
I'm not exactly sure.
But yeah, it's just like...
Yeah, some guy in South Africa broke quarantine and they were like holding him for attempted murder.
So it's like, is that basically the same thing?
You know, it's like if you're telling people to come or you're going to protest with a bunch of other people and then you go home with...
Into your neighborhoods that sprawl out back into the countrysides or whatever.
tim pool
Didn't California decriminalize no willful HIV transmission or something like that?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Is that for sure?
lydia smith
Can you check that though?
Willful?
unidentified
Yeah, 100%.
100%?
tim pool
Was it?
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Willful.
adam crigler
Seriously?
unidentified
Yeah.
lydia smith
So you don't have to tell, you don't have to disclose whether you have HIV before you have a relation.
tim pool
So that means, yeah, you can, you can, like, you know, hook up with someone, not tell them anything, and if they get infected, no problem.
lydia smith
They're like, bye!
tim pool
But I want to make sure we have that fact check, because I didn't pull up a source on that.
lydia smith
I will double check.
tim pool
Yeah, because I'm very, very... You know, I take my sources very seriously.
lydia smith
Yeah, understandably.
tim pool
Because that's always crazy.
I think it's funny that they're actually arguing, you could get someone sick.
lydia smith
It's like, but California... Yep, HIV patients in California will no longer face felony charges for exposing others to the illness.
tim pool
What's the source?
lydia smith
That is Fox News.
CNN lowers penalty for low... California lowers penalty.
tim pool
Wow, boom, there it is.
Well then, all of these hypocrites who are like, California did a good thing with this, but if you have the coronavirus, obey the government.
Otherwise, prison.
Well, anyway, moving on to the next more fun story.
We watched, we watched The Hunt.
unidentified
We did.
adam crigler
We watched a movie.
tim pool
Do you know what The Hunt is?
adam crigler
We reviewed, we're reviewing a movie.
tim pool
But it's, it's, it's politically relevant.
adam crigler
It is.
tim pool
It is about liberal elites who kidnap conservatives and hunt them for sport.
lydia smith
So, that's fun.
adam crigler
Check this out.
Talk about how it got cancelled, didn't it?
Or didn't it?
lydia smith
Yes.
adam crigler
Who did this?
tim pool
So, it was a little bit of everybody, but it was a lot on Trump.
unidentified
Okay.
tim pool
So, when the movie was originally supposed to come out, I think it was what, in like September or something?
lydia smith
Yeah, it was a while ago.
tim pool
A lot of people saw the trailers and saw opening text, because like a script got leaked or something.
And it was like, it was kind of, it was pretty bad in the beginning.
They're talking about how they're going to go hunt deplorables.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And they were mocking them.
And the trailers very much depicted like, I don't know, doting conservative types, confused, being hunted with gags in their mouths.
adam crigler
They even referred to the rat-faced president, or some sort of... Rat-effer.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Rat-effer in chief.
adam crigler
Rat-effer in chief, yeah.
lydia smith
I saw that term online, yeah.
tim pool
The movie is literally about the right and the left, and Trump tweeted that it was like, it's really awful that the liberals are depicting conservatives being hunted for sport.
And what people didn't realize is that Because I was absolutely critical of the concept from the beginning.
lydia smith
I was like, what the heck?
tim pool
But the film shows the conservatives are the good guys.
This is the craziest thing about the film.
And guess what?
If I told you there was a movie that shows liberal elites as maniacs who are so vindictive they would kidnap strangers for saying mean things about them on the internet and then hunt them for sport, you'd be like, okay, you're making fun of the left.
Like, we get it, right?
But what if I told you that Rotten Tomatoes has the official tomato meter?
If I told you it made the left look bad, could you then imagine what the score is going to be?
Well, for those that are listening, the audience likes it, the critics hate it.
Now, the audience score is only 66%, but it is considered pretty good.
adam crigler
Yeah, I would rate it a 66.6 on IMDB.
That's about pretty accurate.
tim pool
I don't know, a little bit more.
adam crigler
Yeah, it wasn't that good.
tim pool
You don't think so?
adam crigler
No, it wasn't that good.
tim pool
I actually thought it was pretty good.
For what it was.
I wasn't expecting Lord of the Rings.
adam crigler
It was kind of like a comedy to me.
tim pool
It was a comedy.
It was literally a comedy.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
It was entertaining.
tim pool
At first, I gotta say, I was really like, whoa, this is bad, man.
This is bad, bad, bad.
adam crigler
I was like, this is gonna make me worse.
I thought that too, and then they were like, oh yeah, but by the way.
tim pool
I don't mean bad as in like it was an awful movie.
I was like, dude.
adam crigler
Oh, you mean like politically bad?
tim pool
Yeah, there are people who are gonna watch this and they see a caricature of the left as violent psychopathic murderers who mock and belittle them and then hunt them for sport, and I'm like... We already have it bad where people create a caricature of the left and the right.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's true.
tim pool
And this movie propped up the worst examples of what the left and the right were.
And not even the right, actually, to be honest.
The right was actually just, you know... Daughtering.
Daughtering, but innocent.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And like old people and like it was brutal and the left was depicted as like these snide, wealthy, savage, emotional morons.
Spoiler alert.
unidentified
All right.
tim pool
Full on spoiler alert.
I hope you guys are ready.
lydia smith
Should I open with that?
adam crigler
No, no, no, no.
tim pool
I'm just saying that now we're getting into the spoiler alert.
I'm going to start talking about stuff.
So I'm going to give you a fair warning for the next 10 or so seconds.
Spoiler warning.
So, in the trailers, if you watch it, it's very obvious the conservatives are the good guys, and the liberals are the bad guys.
lydia smith
Right.
tim pool
Now, they do make some of the conservatives out to be bad guys, for sure.
Like, but they're not bad guys in the sense that they're antagonists.
They're bad guys in the sense that where you're like, oh, the guys- They're terrible people.
They're bad people.
lydia smith
Yeah, you're just bad person.
tim pool
But here's the thing, the way the movie is set up, it's very obvious based on the tomato meter and the audience score.
I think the split might be due to the fact that they do make conservatives, some of them, look really stupid and awful people, but they more so make the left look like really nasty, evil people.
So the critics on Rotten Tomatoes normally give social justice lefty movies top scores, and the audience rags on it.
So there's like Death Wish, for instance, the Bruce Willis movie.
It's got like a tomato meter score of like 10%, but the audience is like 90-something.
unidentified
Oh wow.
tim pool
This is a fun movie!
lydia smith
That's awesome.
tim pool
It's about a guy, his wife gets killed, and he gets revenge.
It's like kind of like, it's not the same as John Wick, but there's like a similar kind of feel to it.
adam crigler
Okay.
tim pool
They called it a gun nut masturbation film.
lydia smith
Whoa.
tim pool
And I'm like, well no it's not!
It's a dad who didn't own any weapons and he buys a gun because someone broke into his house.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And then he like protects his daughter and he takes out the guy who was attacking him.
lydia smith
Sounds like a gun nut.
tim pool
It was just a movie.
It was like whatever.
But the audience thought it was fun because it was.
It was a popcorn flick.
It's not like you're going to write, you know, you're going to put it in the Library of Congress or anything.
It's not going to be autographed.
It's a fun movie.
You're bored.
You watch it.
I think you'll have a good time.
adam crigler
So let me ask you, of all the people that are watching this movie, like, are you worried that people are like, how many people do you think are going to take it as though this is how people are?
I don't feel like there's that many people out there, or am I just too optimistic?
tim pool
If I feel like, based on what I watched in this movie, there's going to be a contingent of people on the left who are disgusted by it and angry that it makes them look like monsters.
But there will be a contingent of people on the right who look at this and they say, that's exactly who these leftists are, I swear to God.
adam crigler
I mean, what's the percentage of people out there that are like that, though?
tim pool
Tiny?
Yeah.
But a decent amount.
adam crigler
And those are the people that go crazy and do crazy things.
tim pool
This is going to sow animosity and division.
And that's why I think they took it down.
Because I'll tell you what, man.
Alright, so I gave you guys a spoiler warning.
Here we go.
The premise of the movie is that these, in the beginning, these super wealthy liberal people are texting each other about going to their vacation home in Eastern Europe.
adam crigler
And blowing off steam.
tim pool
Blowing off steam.
And then someone says, I can't wait to go and hunt some deplorables.
And then someone jokingly responds, you're not supposed to text about that.
Someone leaks a screenshot and it becomes a conspiracy theory called Manorgate.
adam crigler
Manor Gate, right.
tim pool
And so it starts with them being hunted.
It's actually kind of funny.
It's super brutal and gruesome.
And the woman here on the left, this is very obvious from the trailer, so it's not the worst spoiler in the world.
She's the protagonist.
She's the good guy.
And she is a Mississippi, Southern girl, served in the armed forces in Afghanistan.
Presumably, not overly conservative.
They don't actually bring that up.
Because she is actually there by mistake.
So I've spoiled the movie for you.
But, uh, the bad guy is this liberal elite who got angry that people were saying mean things about him on the internet.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
So hired a, like a military consultant and a bunch of her friends to hunt people and drug them and then drop them in Eastern Europe and then murder them all.
Yep.
And they say really annoying lefty things.
adam crigler
God, nonstop.
Like the old couple was really cringy.
tim pool
Oh man.
Yeah, but it was cringey, but it was funny.
adam crigler
It was funny, that's true.
I didn't expect it to be a comedy, but it totally was a comedy.
tim pool
If you are a regular conservative person, or moderate, and you're not going to be... Your panties aren't going to get in a bunch.
adam crigler
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
tim pool
What I mean is, it's hilarious.
It's really, really funny seeing, like, people talk, like, one guy's, they're driving in a car and they don't realize one guy's a bad guy and he's like, I would never blame the victim.
And then as soon as he says that, the main character, like, just slowly turns.
lydia smith
She swivels in her chair.
tim pool
And then she pulls her legs up.
It's funny.
It's really fun.
They just, boom, right out of the car.
Like, she's like, oh, this guy's a bad guy.
And it's really funny seeing them like, they don't know how to use guns.
Oh dude, my favorite part of the movie is when she has some kind of rifle.
I don't even know that much about guns.
And so the liberal guy grabs the clip and then laughs.
And then she looks at him with like this look and then she shows him the chamber and then shoots him.
Because they don't know how guns work.
It was funny.
It's funny.
So I really do think this movie was made for more right-leaning people.
adam crigler
Yeah, I think so too.
tim pool
Yeah, the good guys, the liberally to the bad guys.
The whole thing is a joke on, I think, Pizzagate.
Seriously.
That's why they call it Manorgate.
lydia smith
Everything's a gate now.
adam crigler
They talk about a bunch.
Enough that you're like, okay, we get it.
tim pool
But I do think there will be a small contingent of people who look at this and it will make them feel an increased animosity towards the left.
adam crigler
There's a small group of people that look at anything and it does the exact same.
tim pool
Of course.
adam crigler
I'm dead serious.
You know, so it's like...
It's as long as they're not going out and like killing people because they just think that that's now the case, you know?
tim pool
Should I do a rundown?
Should we do a rundown of Like It?
Because we already spoiled it.
Well, at this point, I'll just say, like, you've been warned.
We've spoiled a decent amount of it.
But basically, some of the celebrity actors that are in it aren't actually in it!
adam crigler
I mean, this is... It happens all within the first, like, ten minutes of the movie.
Yeah.
lydia smith
Oh, yeah.
tim pool
Heads are being blown off.
adam crigler
Yeah, you see all these famous people and, like, the first ten minutes is like, Oh, I know that person.
unidentified
Boom!
tim pool
Oh, I've never seen this person.
lydia smith
No, you're not.
tim pool
Okay.
adam crigler
Oh, all right.
Well, maybe it's this person is going to be the main character.
Nope.
Nope.
tim pool
All right.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
I did like Glenn Howerton is in it from It's Always Sunny.
lydia smith
I liked his character.
tim pool
He's Dennis in It's Always Sunny.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
And there was a funny scene where he's wearing a...
So they're going through all the people they want to hunt down and why.
And he walks in with like a kimono robe and he gets yelled at because it's appropriation.
And they like argue with each other.
There's a bunch of moments like this where it's like very much insufferable
leftist social justice stuff.
adam crigler
Yeah, it's bad.
tim pool
But I wonder if this was them taking a bet on whether or not they could make a product
for moderates and conservatives and see if it would succeed.
And it ended up backfiring because people like Trump were like, shut it down, this is awful.
And I'll admit, even I was critical.
But at the time, we were dealing with street violence and stuff, and I'm like, whoa, man.
It's like, I don't know.
So it's almost kind of sad.
Because most of the movies that people, they make, like this is Blumhouse, for instance.
Don't they do like social justice movies?
lydia smith
Yeah, they do.
They did The Invisible Man.
tim pool
Oh, that was awful.
unidentified
Oh, man.
tim pool
Oh, The Invisible Man is so bad.
adam crigler
Yeah, I didn't see it.
lydia smith
Heavy-handed feminist.
tim pool
Dude.
adam crigler
I don't think I want to.
tim pool
You don't want to see it?
adam crigler
After you told me, I think I'm good.
tim pool
It's so bad.
adam crigler
No, thanks.
tim pool
It's so bad.
unidentified
No.
tim pool
It's like the premise of The Invisible Man is she's like, out of nowhere, her, so this guy, look, man, I can't even explain the movie because it makes no sense.
It starts with her, what appears to be like robbing a dude.
For real.
And like, drugging him.
And then all of a sudden she's the victim somehow.
But then, like, the first thing she does when something weird happens, she goes, My boyfriend didn't die, and he's invisible!
And it's like, uh, what?
adam crigler
Wait, seriously?
Yeah.
She like, figures it out immediately?
lydia smith
Immediately.
tim pool
Right, right, so like, uh, apparently she's escaping this guy.
adam crigler
Oh, sorry, spoilers?
tim pool
Whatever, man.
lydia smith
No one's gonna go see that.
I don't care about that.
I don't know.
tim pool
No, no, no.
adam crigler
There might be somebody out there who's like, oh man, they ruined this movie.
tim pool
We're quarantined anyway.
Okay, so spoiler alert.
adam crigler
You watched it?
tim pool
Look, Invisible Man is a feminist trash film that got great ratings.
Go figure.
And The Hunt is a culture war satire, and it's funny.
It's gruesome.
But in Invisible Man, it's basically like, Her boyfriend apparently dies. This is all in the trailer
by the way, so it's not, you know, really too much. And like her ex-boyfriend, she flees him.
And then she ends up, like, he leaves her money. And then all of a sudden something
weird happens and she goes and she immediately says, he's still alive. I just can't see him.
He's invisible. And it's like, how did you leap from you just saw a picture of his corpse
to he's still alive and he's invisible?
Like, how does that make sense at all? The movie was just total garbage.
adam crigler
I'm glad I didn't watch it.
tim pool
But here's why I bring it up.
It's sad because so many of the movies that Hollywood has made have been overtly woke and annoyingly woke.
Like Ghostbusters.
adam crigler
You know what?
I might want to add right now that I finally did watch the last Star Wars film.
I know we've talked about it for everyone.
tim pool
And it was terrible. But it was but it was terrible. Like you could see how they were
trying to recover what they had lost. You're right. Second one. It was sad, terrible. Yeah,
there were like, really over the top bad things where they're trying to jam two movies into one
adam crigler
because they ruined the second one. And yeah, that and whatever cohesion the actors had together,
like, you know, the first movie, it felt like, I guess there was still mystery, you know,
you still didn't know the whole story. But there still was like, they worked well together. But
this movie, it felt like they were strangers again, suddenly, suddenly, all of the actors
They didn't know each other anymore.
And they were like learning how to act with each other.
Right, right, right.
Yeah, it was weird.
I don't understand.
Like, how did they lose all of that?
tim pool
Here's the point I want to make about The Hunt.
adam crigler
Yeah, go ahead.
tim pool
They make all of these woke movies that are just miserable and everyone hates it.
And the critics pretend like it's good.
And they make The Hunt, which I actually thought was funny and mocking the left for the most part.
And it gets shut down because conservatives and Trump were, you know, calling it out.
And I'll assume some of the blanks.
I was critical of it for sure, but I was more tepid critical like I usually am.
But they do make fun of conservatives.
Like, they make one guy look like a really nasty dude, but you don't really relate to him.
Like, I think you're supposed to relate to the woman who's in between these people, like, rolling her eyes like, ugh, who are these stupid people?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But here's the thing.
adam crigler
And then at the end, you don't find out where she leans politically either.
tim pool
Well, she's very obviously conservative.
Southern military, like, weapons.
She knows how to use a gun.
lydia smith
She doesn't specifically verbalize... It's true.
Yeah.
tim pool
But come on.
Is a, you know, a woman who lives in Mississippi, who served in Afghanistan, knows how to use a weapon, more likely to be conservative or liberal?
adam crigler
Conservative, but... Yeah.
Yeah.
lydia smith
Well, I like the idea of somebody standing in the middle rolling their eyes.
To me, that's me.
tim pool
Like a moderate.
lydia smith
That's perfect.
tim pool
But here's the problem.
Or I shouldn't say the problem.
adam crigler
The conservatives... Here's the thing.
tim pool
Here's the thing.
You're welcome.
adam crigler
You're welcome.
tim pool
The conservatives are stupid in the movie.
They're not really conservatives.
They're like conspiracy theory podcaster types.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
But they're innocent.
The big problem with them is they have stupid thoughts.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Like one guy is like... It's like the premise is they were saying mean things on the internet about these people and that was justification for executing them all.
It's so ridiculous.
decides to literally go and murder tons of people for being mean online.
That's it.
adam crigler
It's so ridiculous.
tim pool
So it's like you can despise some of the things these guys say because they're really dumb.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
But there was one scene where a guy is, he's in the gas station and the woman behind the counter
says be careful with that thing, he's holding a gun, it's going to go off.
And he goes, it's not gonna go off.
And she's like, what if it does?
And he goes, I own several guns, I know what I'm doing.
And she goes, why?
And he goes, excuse me?
She goes, why do you own several guns?
And he's like, because it's my constitutional right to defend myself.
And then she's like, and what do you do after the revolution?
And he's like, what?
And she goes, what about them?
Aren't they exercising their rights?
And he's like, what?
And then, you know, she kills him.
adam crigler
Yeah, it was so weird to me.
tim pool
So, a conservative guy saying, it's my right to have a gun to defend myself, and these people are trying to kill me, and their justification was that, so, it's their right to have guns too.
Like, what sane person would agree with that statement?
adam crigler
Yeah, it didn't really make sense.
tim pool
Well, right, they're mocking the left for being insane.
adam crigler
And this is the old couple that I was referring to earlier.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's pretty funny.
tim pool
And it was, dude, it is satisfying to watch this movie.
It was well done.
I was really impressed with, like, 6.6.
The protagonist doesn't start right away with her.
You see her in the beginning.
adam crigler
It kind of alludes that it's going to be her.
tim pool
They give you this big celebrity moment, which is hilarious.
adam crigler
That was the best part of the movie.
tim pool
It was silly.
And then she comes in and she is a badass.
lydia smith
Yeah.
tim pool
It is amazing.
And it's very satisfying to see her just like, her attitude is very just like slow and methodical, but also kind of nonchalant and blasé.
adam crigler
Yeah, she was a cool character.
tim pool
Yeah.
All in all, I think it's better than a 6.6, man.
I'd give it like a 7.
Cool.
It's a movie I would watch again.
lydia smith
Yeah, I said a 7.
tim pool
I think that's fair.
So, uh, I recommend it, I guess.
adam crigler
Pretty close.
6.6.
tim pool
Yeah, I'm glad.
So we also watched Bloodshot while we're here.
Okay.
I would give Bloodshot a 6.5 or a 6.
adam crigler
I would give it also a 6.5.
lydia smith
Not as bad as I expected.
tim pool
Bloodshot was cool, but it was very much like a typical Vin Diesel action film.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
And I felt like they could have done so much more with it.
adam crigler
They were close.
It was kind of cool, the twist, that you find out what he was really doing for them.
tim pool
Spoilers.
adam crigler
I'm not spoiling it at all.
tim pool
But saying there's a twist is a spoiler.
adam crigler
There's a twist in a movie.
tim pool
Oh my goodness!
Hey man!
They're all going to be like, no!
adam crigler
No, they trust the word.
lydia smith
That's right.
tim pool
All right, so actually I actually want to do one more quick segment.
So do you guys want it?
Do you guys feel like doing the baby boom one?
adam crigler
Yeah, I guess.
tim pool
We'll just jump, we'll do this one really quick.
So this is a story that's been popping up quite a bit because we're all locked in our homes.
adam crigler
Well, yeah, we were joking about it multiple times, right?
tim pool
There's gonna be a bunch of babies we talked about on the show, coroneals.
And there's actually two things.
A baby boom and a huge spike in divorce rates.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Because people are trapped with each other now.
lydia smith
Why not both?
tim pool
Well, exactly.
adam crigler
I hope not.
tim pool
Some people have argued, it'll be, no, no, we won't see a baby boom, we'll see divorce.
And it's like, no, I don't think you understand.
You can see both.
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
You know, and people can have kids and that's kind of a bad thing.
But the Washington Post said we might see a coronavirus baby blip, not a boom.
I don't agree.
There's a lot of reasons for the baby boom.
adam crigler
Well, boom was over a course of years, not one, like, I mean, I hope we're not stuck for years.
tim pool
They also didn't quarantine their entire population, which was much smaller.
adam crigler
Well, that's why it's going to be a crazy blip instead of a boom, you know?
lydia smith
Oh, dude.
tim pool
In nine months from like right around now.
adam crigler
Hospitals will be overrun with pregnant women.
unidentified
Yep.
tim pool
For real.
And schools a few years later.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's the blip.
Makes sense.
tim pool
Oh, I see what they're saying.
A boom is like a slow roll in expansion, whereas a blip is like a massive spike.
adam crigler
It was like that whole era of like, we finally beat the recession, we're building America, you know?
tim pool
But here's why I think it's guaranteed to happen.
Some people say, well, we don't actually know people are going to hook up and have babies, right?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Sure.
Condom shortage looms after coronavirus lockdown shuts world's top producer.
unidentified
Boom.
lydia smith
Oh, that feels good.
tim pool
Baby's coming.
lydia smith
That's it.
unidentified
Everyone was grabbing the toilet paper, toilet paper.
adam crigler
And then they weren't showing this, but they would ride around the aisle and grab all the condoms too.
tim pool
Were they really doing that?
unidentified
No.
No, OK.
tim pool
But this is Kuala Lumpur, a global shortage of condoms is looming.
So, all right, I'm kidding.
Right now we have condoms, so people are gonna get them.
So we'll see what happens if in nine months there's a major boom and we're gonna wake up tomorrow and it's like, for some reason, people all across America were running to the store and buying out condoms.
At one moment, 12,000 people went out right around 10 p.m.
Eastern and raided all the condoms.
adam crigler
Oh, man.
unidentified
Yes.
tim pool
So, The Washington Post says, Thanks to the coronavirus, Americans have been locked out of their offices and told to work from home.
There's no eating out.
Well, depends on your definition.
Ooh, I'm so funny, right?
unidentified
Timothy!
tim pool
No recreational shopping and no hanging with friends.
Almost all events are canceled and no one can travel.
There's not even live sports on TV.
Seriously, man.
lydia smith
So boring.
tim pool
Of the many questions this extreme situation raises, one will have to wait several months for an answer.
Should we expect a coronavirus baby boom?
A surprising amount of research has been done on the subject of post-disaster fertility.
The headline hypothesis is fairly straightforward.
With other activity curtailed, couples have more opportunity and perhaps more desire for intimacy.
Nine months later, the babies show up.
Is that how it works?
Yes, the stork comes.
This theory was behind a series of articles published by the New York Times in the aftermath of the great New York City blackout of November 1965, when several local hospitals registered an increase in births starting in August 1966.
The Times attributed the spike to how the infants' parents kept busy when the lights went out.
lydia smith
Hold on.
adam crigler
Thank you.
Seinfeld, please.
tim pool
Thank you, Adam.
lydia smith
So I had a question.
How long was the blackout?
tim pool
Yeah, I don't know.
unidentified
Not that long, right?
lydia smith
How long are we going to be stuck inside?
tim pool
Couple years.
adam crigler
Nope.
They said blip.
It's not a boom.
tim pool
Years.
lydia smith
I'm worried.
tim pool
I think we're going to be locked down for a long time, man.
I don't think anyone understands.
Maryland's lockdown is indefinite.
They've given no expiration.
lydia smith
Right.
adam crigler
Yeah, that's frightening.
lydia smith
So, the closest comparison these people have is, like, weather events and the blackout in 1966, which are very, very short.
tim pool
Look it up.
Pull up the wiki.
I'll keep reading.
lydia smith
Yeah, I'm really curious.
tim pool
They say sociologist J. Richard Udry wanted to test the assumption for himself and in 1970 published his findings.
As it turned out, upon reviewing the citywide data, Udry found no statistically significant increase or decrease in the number of conceptions during the blackout.
Yet ever since, each new disaster seems to have brought reports of a surge in births.
If lack of alternative entertainment doesn't spur a COVID-19 baby boom, might the widespread calls to come together for the sake of our civilization inspire people to start working on the next generation?
I really doubt it.
This banding-together theory was one of the main explanations in a 2005 study showing an increase in births in the counties surrounding Oklahoma City after the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, Yep.
When a population unites around a common goal, people feel more ownership of the future.
We might therefore expect more baby-making to result from the nationwide campaign against
the coronavirus.
And because we have no purpose, there's no need to reproduce.
And I don't think it's necessarily about people being occupied with other things.
I think it's like... So, I was reading that people die most after retirement.
Like, that's true, right?
lydia smith
Yeah, that is true.
tim pool
Typically, when people retire, they die within a year.
You know what I think?
I could be wrong, but here's my personal hypothesis.
I've never heard that.
Yeah, it's like 55 to 60, right?
lydia smith
Especially guys, I guess, when they retire.
They die really soon after retirement.
tim pool
Think about the advantage in evolution.
If someone is no longer producing for the collective, for the tribe, for the family, they're a drag on resources.
They're no longer working, they're not producing.
Them dying would be a net benefit to the rest of, to the survival, survivability of the family because now they need less resources.
So if you have 10 people and, you know, one buffalo can feed 10 people and one person does no work, everyone is doing extra work to support the person who doesn't.
There are some people, they found this in the blue zones, the areas where people live to be over 100.
One factor is that they all work well into their, you know, 90s or 100.
There was one interview I saw, I don't know if it was an interview, but there was a guy in Japan, and it was a really old guy in his 90s chopping lumber, chopping wood, and they were like, you're 90, why do you still do this?
And he said, if I don't, who will?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
So one of the big factors in survival was, you know, was that.
adam crigler
Moving.
tim pool
So I wonder if the reason people don't have babies is for the same reason.
We know, internally, we're not doing anything to better our society.
It would be a drain on society to, you know, reproduce in a world where there's no purpose anymore.
So now that we have an actual common threat and a goal, and our survivability is under threat, people all of a sudden now start reigniting a desire to have kids, and it might be subconscious.
It might just be like, all of a sudden, they're like, I'm gonna have kids, and it could be because now we are actually being threatened.
adam crigler
Or like what we were talking about the other couple, maybe a month ago now, is like how This whole thing bringing factories back to America is like bringing Americans back together.
So it's like back to the 1950s Well, you know, it doesn't have to be back to the 1950s, you know But still bringing production back here is simply a thing that could can be bringing people together It's like a lot of people on either side are like we should make our own medicine, right?
Like, China shouldn't have control over our medicine.
lydia smith
Yeah, that's bipartisan.
adam crigler
That's pretty broad, you know?
But a lot of people believe that, so it's like, we should start working towards that, and then the we in that sentence is the key, you know?
So maybe it's already kind of begun, and now we're quarantined.
Right.
tim pool
But do you think people are consciously saying, like, I think we should have children for the sake of our country?
adam crigler
No, it's more of like a comfort thing, I guess, you know?
I mean, obviously in this situation it's not really comfortable, but the thought of having kids isn't as scary, you know?
Because there is something there for them.
tim pool
We're building something.
We can rely on each other.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
And maybe.
adam crigler
Exactly.
lydia smith
When you start to think that there might not be a future, you start thinking about the future.
And you're like, well, if I want to have kids, maybe I should do that now that I have time.
adam crigler
More people should think about the future.
tim pool
Maybe it's also this.
Maybe for a lot of women who are working, they never have the opportunity.
So now that people are at home, they're thinking, we don't know how long it's gonna take, how long it's gonna last.
There's a window now where you can't work.
Like, one of the concerns I read about, because I'm not a woman, so I wouldn't know, is that if women choose to have a family, they take time off work and it holds them back.
If now everyone has to take time off work, no detriment.
adam crigler
Maybe we gotta have a bunch of kids so we can raise the farm in the old school way and get to work, kids.
tim pool
Conspiracy theory time.
adam crigler
Start plowing the fields.
We gotta raise the corn up.
tim pool
That's the conspiracy.
The governments of the world are seeing the declining birth rate of all of the different countries and we're like, we gotta figure out how to lock everyone in their homes and make them terrified of their own mortality.
adam crigler
And you know what?
It's interesting.
tim pool
I'm kidding, seriously.
adam crigler
But there's a lot of people are going out and buying food, buying a lot of things, buying stuff.
Spending money and buying stuff.
tim pool
Well, it's true, but the economy... No, I know.
It's almost like a hard reset, though.
adam crigler
Yeah, exactly.
tim pool
Like, all of a sudden now, our farmers and our grocery store workers are our most important jobs.
Truckers.
It used to be, like, celebrities.
adam crigler
Yeah, you know when you take, like a... I'm gonna pull... Well, doctors, too.
Nintendo 64.
You take the disc out.
It wasn't working.
tim pool
Cartridge.
adam crigler
You go... You blow it.
lydia smith
Reset.
tim pool
You blow it.
adam crigler
So, that wind that you use is COVID-19.
unidentified
Boom.
adam crigler
Put it back in.
tim pool
If we, if we have a hard reset, we have a hard reset to our economy and all of a sudden now we're like truckers, doctors, nurses, police, EMTs, like core jobs that actually make society function are now getting, you know, people are clapping and cheering.
You see these videos?
adam crigler
Yeah.
tim pool
Like a nurse walks outside and everyone in the neighborhood is screaming and clapping and she's like, you know, thank you, whatever.
And you don't even know if at her hospital they're overwhelmed.
Some places they are, some places they aren't.
So it's kind of like a back-to-basics thing.
unidentified
Yeah.
tim pool
Where people are going to come out of this being like, what do we need to build?
Because celebrity ain't it.
You know, we don't need to cheer.
I mean, we'll still have them for sure.
adam crigler
Right.
tim pool
But right now the celebrities are going insane in their bedrooms.
adam crigler
And everyone's watching.
tim pool
And making fun of it.
adam crigler
Why are you, like, you're in a mansion.
You have How are you not, you know?
tim pool
You're literally crying in your mansion, bro.
We're not interested in hearing about you right now.
No, this is actually another interesting point is, all of a sudden now, they're not sympathizing with the wealthy people crying in their apartments because they see how bad it is for the doctors and nurses actually catching this, getting sick, or putting themselves at risk.
adam crigler
And still out there working.
tim pool
Back in the, like, before all this broke out, a celebrity would cry and people would be like, leave them alone!
You don't understand how hard it is to be a famous celebrity.
Neither do you.
Wait, this isn't working anymore?
to mock these celebrities.
It's true.
Now everyone's jumping in on making fun of them.
adam crigler
Even the celebrities.
tim pool
Right.
They're realizing it's not cool to be the weirdo.
Yep.
Like, you have to make fun of the weirdos.
adam crigler
Wait, this isn't working anymore?
unidentified
Oh no!
adam crigler
Oh no, what do I do?
My whole premise is built on this.
tim pool
Well, I guess we'll have to wait and see.
What is it?
It's March.
So that's November.
November.
adam crigler
Gosh, it's still March.
March 97th.
Yeah, Jesus.
lydia smith
Seriously.
adam crigler
March is... April's just around the next year.
tim pool
Yep.
Well, come November, October, November, and December, we'll start to see stuff.
We'll see what happens. The baby blip, the baby blippers, the cronials.
lydia smith
You know how there was a little baby boom after that power outing?
Yeah.
You know how long the power was out for?
How long?
25 hours.
We are going to see something like we have never seen before.
adam crigler
25 hours, that's so stupid.
tim pool
Well, hold on, hold on.
They do say they found no statistically significant increase or decrease.
lydia smith
Oh, man, you ruined it!
tim pool
I read that already!
Alright, alright, let's grab the rest of these here Super Chats, and we'll try to get what we can.
lydia smith
I found an article that said otherwise.
tim pool
Okay, here we go.
Alright.
Let's see.
Benjamin says authoritarian regimes that crush individuality will inevitably collapse because without it, they won't be able to adapt to new situations, and I agree with that.
Odd Hall says, keep up the great work.
Also just realized you always tell us about your bug out van to distract us from the fact you have a bug out Zeppelin.
Stephen says, be safe, do the right thing.
God blessings to all.
Appreciate it.
Shane says, my sister was exposed because her idiot roommate thought God would protect her on a trip to Israel.
She was wrong.
Fortunately, sister tested negative.
That's good to hear.
And Kari, thanks for the super chat.
Zach Lee says, Tim, you're all the TP I ever need.
Salem County went from three COVID cases this morning to 12 this evening.
Be careful, my fellow South Jersey peeps.
It's here.
Whoa, really, Salem?
Wow, man.
Yeah, we're in South Jersey, so we're seeing it pop up now.
I'm not giving my name to a machine.
What is that from?
Is that from... I don't know.
It's Bender, I think.
unidentified
Oh.
tim pool
Bender said that.
I'm not giving my name to a machine?
Maybe.
It sounds like something Bender would say.
That's the joke.
He's a machine.
Coronavirus, fire and brimstone coming down from the skies, rivers and seas boiling, 40 years of darkness, earthquakes, volcanoes, the dead rising from the grave, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria, and that is a Ghostbusters reference.
I think.
adam crigler
Yeah, it totally is.
tim pool
Dogs and cats living together.
Dogs and cats are friends.
adam crigler
Bill Murray.
tim pool
Yeah, yeah.
adam crigler
Is a great rant.
tim pool
Jay Mac says Shapiro had Jason Blum on his show talking about it.
It was actually a really good Sunday special with some insight into Hollywood.
lydia smith
Yeah, I didn't have a chance to listen to that.
tim pool
The Hunt is good.
You guys should watch it.
You'll like it.
You'll have fun.
The Immortal Watchdog says you should watch the first season of an old show called Earth Final Conflict.
It predicted a lot including having an outbreak and a Trump-like character.
Interesting.
Ankari says, people get to vote nationally if you do military service for four years.
You always get to vote locally even without service.
Encourage responsibility, this.
That's the Starship Troopers method.
Service guarantees citizenship.
Bimbo says, in NYC, know some nurses with hours cut.
Know other people that know nurses with.
Some hospitals overrun, some slow.
Like Lenox Hill, no BS.
Yeah, yeah, it's mixed, you know.
David and Couch, thanks for coming members.
adam crigler
Thanks.
tim pool
Anuxin says, Tim, would you ever consider arming yourself?
AR-15 member?
Maybe.
Also, would you ever wear a Gadsden flag beanie for one show if someone sent you one?
Probably not the Gadsden flag, although I got no issue with it.
I like it.
AR-15, it depends.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Fullbeard says, please talk about the Duncan Lemp story on one of your videos. It's very relevant to what's going on
with authoritarianism. I'll take a look into it.
Darkduck says, the hunt got delayed because of the shootings, ATM. That's right. It was around the time there
was like a big shooting or something, right?
adam crigler
Oh, okay.
tim pool
That's kind of cool.
Well, there you go.
That'll do it.
I guess we'll see.
Non-servium says, oh no, an emergency.
I guess I'll just open up my legs and get free rent.
Well, there you go.
Non-servium says, factories will not come back to America because we will not lower our standard of living.
They'll just go somewhere else.
I guess we'll see.
Frank says, hi Tim, Soy, Jesus, and Lydia.
Thank you for the content.
I was certain things would get worse here in Seattle, but I'm glad it's slowing down.
Presumably.
Chris White says the mayor of Houston told criminals to take the month off for coronavirus.
Oh yeah, they'll do it.
Generic says Lydia is the UFO.
And John Rhee says, one thing I've noticed as a slightly younger person, 24, a lot of people are starting to learn basic skills.
A good thing!
Learn how to start a fire.
Learn how to, like, cut down a tree and, like, chop wood and, like, build a shelter and other fun stuff.
unidentified
It's fun.
tim pool
I love this stuff.
adam crigler
Me too.
I love it.
unidentified
Alright.
adam crigler
Build everything.
tim pool
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adam crigler
Is that it?
Yeah, subscribe and share.
tim pool
Share.
lydia smith
Share, yes.
tim pool
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adam crigler
Yeah, right.
lydia smith
Those bubbled, bubbled chambers.
tim pool
Well, I don't know.
Here's what you should do.
Go out and be like, dude, this guy Soy Jesus, Tim Poole, that's like the best podcast ever, man!
lydia smith
So chill.
tim pool
You gotta watch it!
lydia smith
Yeah, man.
tim pool
I don't know, somehow we ended up with getting like a ton of viewers really quickly, so you guys are awesome.
We really do appreciate it.
adam crigler
Yep, we do.
We appreciate you guys.
tim pool
When we first started, I did not expect we'd have 12,000 people watching, so it's really, really fun and really cool, and I appreciate it.
adam crigler
Yep.
lydia smith
Yeah, man.
tim pool
Alright, we'll see you all tomorrow at 8 p.m.
for the next show.
Thanks for hanging out.
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