Russell Brand details his spiritual transformation from hedonism to Christianity, triggered by his son's heart diagnosis and sexual assault allegations. He plans a 2028 London mayoral run for direct democracy while facing an October trial, arguing that globalist elites use occult rituals and child abuse to gain supernatural power. Brand critiques mainstream media suppression, advocates for open-source governance over representative systems, and warns against post-enlightenment morality lacking divine grounding, asserting that true identity stems from God rather than nationality or gender. [Automatically generated summary]
Heavenly Father, thank you for this chance for us to be together where two or more are gathered.
You are present, Lord.
Can you help us to put aside any prejudices or biases that you might carry into it?
Can you help me, Lord, not to look at Tucker as a person that exists for my benefit or to facilitate me, but to know that he is like me, a person that's broken and that will die one day, and that we're here to love one another and serve one another.
And by the way, we love one another, they will know that we are in you and that you are in us, Lord.
Let's communicate graciously and with grace and do nothing that dishonors your name.
Or your kingdom, which we are here to serve, however you decree, we pray in the name of God the Father, with all your infinite creativity and wisdom, God the Son, with your compassion and your holy sacrifice, taking on our sin, and God the Holy Ghost, who moves among us mysteriously now in communication and endless unity.
He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place.
He will show no regard for the gods of his ancestors or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any god, but will exalt himself above them all.
Instead of them, he will honor a god of fortresses, a god unknown to his ancestors.
He will honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts.
He will attack the mightiest fortresses with the help of a foreign god.
And he will greatly honor those who acknowledge him.
He will make them rulers over many people and will distribute the land at a price.
At the time of the end, the king of the south will engage him in battle, and the king of the north will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships.
He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood.
He will also invade the beautiful land.
Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab, and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand.
He will extend his power over many countries.
Egypt will not escape.
He will gain control over the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt with the Libyans and the Cushites in submission.
But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many.
He will pitch his royal tents between the seas at the beautiful holy mountain.
Yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.
I remember when I met years ago, His Holiness, the Dalai Lama, someone said, like, you know, oh, he meditates like eight hours a day.
And I thought, oh, that seems excessive.
But now, like, What else is there to do except be in continual prayer?
Increasingly, as my walk with him, yoke to him continues, I recognize any time I let go of his hand, any time I step back into even neutrality, neutrality metastasizes immediately into self and therefore sin.
I see sin now, Tucker, not as the transgression of stealing or lying or whatever, but as the mental state that precedes it.
When I'm in that mental state, suddenly I elevate myself like Lucifer, like the fallen one, I think I can create my own circuitry, my own neurological circuitry without his.
Angelic agency.
As soon as I'm in that, I belong to the world again.
I belong to empire.
Forget the tyranny of those most powerful people in the world.
Even in my petty, trivial tyranny, I bear their insignia, not his.
It was you, in fact, that made the observation one of the times we met.
I think I was doing one of your tremendously successful and well attended live shows in Fort Lauderdale.
I'm still showbiz.
I still know how to do those bits.
And like we were, I showed you this bit from Orwell.
And you said, oh, well, you said Orwell's anticipate this is prior to the most recent American electoral cycle.
You said that Orwell understood Soviet communism well.
And at this point, you said in 1984, he's talking about social democracy's tendency to evolve towards, or degenerate, one might say, towards tyranny.
And we discussed together, oh wow, what is Orwell's most famous maxim?
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever.
And in that moment, I think both you and I discussed, yes.
And what is the face?
That is the image of God.
They are annihilating the image of God.
They remove the image of God.
Once the image of God, our personal imprature, our signature, the hieroglyph, he's present in us, the creator of meaning.
Without whom there cannot be geometry, mathematics, or music, but even meaning itself.
He is a storyteller, our Lord.
He comes and tells stories to show you that meaning itself is what we must align with.
Because, you know, when people say, oh, it's astrological, the three kings and the virgin is the star virgin, it's an astrological description of movements, and Osiris was this, and Isis was that, and Dionysus meant that, you know.
And they try to say that Christianity isn't unique, particular, and special, that the incarnation of God, that these principles being made flesh didn't establish.
Establish the new frequency through the Holy Spirit.
They tried to say it's just another story.
When you go into the Word, you feel it, you know it, it changes you, it reverses and undoes so much.
Your whole life, C.S. Lewis says, Tucker, your whole life is redeemed.
You look back at all of it the Father, and you see it differently, the career, you see it differently.
You see that you were being prepared always for this.
And C.S. Lewis says in The Great Divorce when you accept Him, your whole life will have been heaven.
If you reject Him, you are in purgatory forever.
And why do they stay in purgatory in The Great Divorce?
I'm recommending read The Great Divorce.
Is because they won't let go of their earthly identity.
They won't let go of it.
We have to let go of that in order to receive the kingdom.
We have to let go of who we are in shame, who we are in fear, who we are to the world.
And once you do that, you're kind of already dead, but you're also in eternal life.
And that's what's been amazing about watching you in the last month, in particular, is a sort of the jaw dropping boldness and bravery that sometimes can seem like frightening.
And like, you know, Woody Allen, he says with the autodidact, superficial, I've never been properly educated.
So everything's thin across the top.
This is the first time I've gone deep into anything.
How it's different, how it's different, Tucker, from what I've accrued culturally is that it moves effortlessly into mystery.
It is divine and profound truth.
Now, I think that one of the conversations we might have.
If you think during the brief time that you and I have both, I'm going to say the word transitioned now, but don't panic, transitioned from mainstream media into whatever this is, this kind of independent media, what that's been accompanied by, if one envisages a spectrum and at one end of it, the New York Times, the BBC, MSNBC, one might even include Fox and more sort of particular flavors of mainstream media.
And over here, you're Alex Jones, you're David Icke.
Where is the needle moving?
Well, it's obviously moving radically in a direction that Alex Jones and David Icke have been in for some time.
That's not to say that either of those two men are without flaws.
Of course, I wouldn't make that claim for any human being.
But during that time, people have started to look at paedophile rings, conspiracies, global events that seem to be managed and manipulated, the possibility and potential that real power is not government or party political, but is in fact controlled by institutions that are imperial, transcendent of global boundaries and may even be occultists and dark and demonic.
I mean, certainly the trend is moving in that direction.
And I think one of the great challenges for people that are telling the truth at a public level to a lot of people is how do we remain in that which is corroboratable?
And what I feel is so important here is when you're dealing with people that might say there are demonic forces at work, they're occultists, they're pedophiles, they're doing child sacrifices.
Well, it's all in here.
Like when I, prior to coming to the Lord, or rather more accurately, Him coming to me, I felt I knew what was in the Bible because I thought I understood.
And like, so I felt it's going to be about ethics and morality.
And sort of a kind of a rather obviously piety, but I sort of felt that it might be a bit anemic.
But what was really struck me is it moves between sort of like myth so powerful that it takes you to the sort of edge of what consciousness can ever comprehend, obviously, while telling you that's what it's doing.
My ways are not your ways.
Do not conform to the patterns of this world.
The evil one is in control of this world.
We fight not against flesh and blood, but we fight against the authorities, the rulers.
The dark heavenly powers.
All these things are in there.
My children, don't worship false idols.
Don't make gods with your own hands out of metal and then stare at them the whole time.
You will glimpse God as if through a glass, or perhaps for contemporary language, as if through a mirror darkly.
It'll be like you're looking at yourself and you see that Christ is in you and coming through you.
That means you are owned by him and there is a restoration of the original state.
It has been completed.
Our God breathed life into the dirt man Adam and Christ on the cross exhales the final breath.
It is finished.
It's possible for us to return To absolute harmony with God, for us to live not in some utopian afterlife, but in the present moment to be in the kingdom of heaven, which our Lord said is here, ever present and all around us.
I did not anticipate the depth of the mystery that we live among forces undiscernible to the senses, angelic and indeed demonic, that there are dark energies that are affecting us and impacting us and attacking us and significantly controlling the most powerful institutions in the world.
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I see the work of those forces and I see the presence of God.
I see continually this unfolding discourse throughout time in my own little life.
I see I'm being shown this.
I'm being offered that.
You know, one of the things I'd forgotten, Tucker, is that.
At the point of first becoming famous, there was a kind of glory in it.
And by true glory, I don't mean personal glory, because anything that's personal is not true glory at all.
There was a moment where a world that continually said no to me, suddenly, after decades, said yes, that suddenly the golden light was upon me and open, that I was appearing on television.
People were saying yes to book deals.
I was in movies.
I was experiencing, and this is where I think I went wrong, abundant sex, for example.
And as that took hold, that's where I feel and see the presence that.
I, you know, the tempter, the accuser, the fallen one, the enemy requires our complicity.
I did participate.
I did participate in elevating false gods.
I did allow sex to become a kind of idol, fame to become an idol.
And neither of those things are possible if you don't first fall into self.
I consider sin to be in self, in self.
Once I'm in self, the sibilant S, lacking vocal.
The serpent has no vertical axes.
I crawl upon the floor.
I'm only a belly.
We're continually in the garden and we're continually, as Rene Girard obviously observed, observing Satan fall from heaven like lightning because he wants his own kingdom.
I'm continually believing the lie the lie that I'm worthless, the lie that I'm ugly, the lie that I'm shameful, the lie that I don't deserve to be successful.
I enter into that lie.
And once I'm in that lie, then I belong to the world.
Now I have to prove myself in the world.
I have to make myself beautiful, lauded, and applauded, celebrated, adored.
Perform all of those rituals before his altar if I don't stay with the one that made me.
It's an apostasy to be in this world.
You don't convert to Christianity, you let go of the false conversion of being in this world where you have been placed by the evil one, by the enemy, lured, tempted, hypnotized.
We all understand it.
We all understand the idea of facsimile, the counterfeit, the emulation, the simulation.
You know, see when people posit about the sci fi version, perhaps we're already in a simulation.
You don't need to use that lexicon.
Through the electromagnetic moment where sensory information is converted neurologically, and that happens to all sensory input, you live in a synthesized reality in your own consciousness.
There are peculiar, inexplicable moments, as with all scientific disciplines, when you take it to its edge land, i.e., between the synapses as electromagnetic energy travels around in the brain.
There's a moment where it's hormonal, it's inexplicable.
We're surrounded in every direction by endless miracles, which we nullify through dumb orthodox science, as we've witnessed at length.
In depth through the pandemic, we deny him continually.
We are continually Eve.
We are continually Lucifer.
Why does our Lord say when the hubristic disciples return, saying, We moved among scorpions.
We were casting out demons?
He says straight away, and it's an odd non sequitur.
I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning.
You will move among demons.
You will move among scorpions and snakes and do great healings because your names are written in the book of heaven.
What can that even mean?
You are encoded.
You are encoded.
You are made.
Did you see that it looks like a cross at some micro, micro, microscopically observable level?
There's a cross down in our DNA.
There's so much poetry in it.
Of course it's interpreted because interpretation is relationship.
Of course people will say you can use the Bible to prove anything you want to prove, but One of my teachers said, The main things are the plain things, and the plain things are the main things.
We're men who live here harmoniously with one another.
We're meant to be one human family.
You have to accept Christ as the Messiah.
If there's any particular group of people that deliberately do not accept Christ as the Messiah, you might want to investigate that thoroughly.
And there's instructions for how to do that in there.
You know, there's some powerful information in here that must be acted upon.
Now, from the other side, from the countercultural perspective, they'll say, Oh, this is, you know, it's put the Council of Nicaea and all that kind of stuff.
And I'm Thinking now of like the sort of the people that you surely we must pay our due to the likes of Ike and Alex Jones, who clearly are carrying not Alex Jones actually because he's so sort of in the moment, isn't he?
But David Ike, I feel that he carries this weight of I've been saying this for ages, I've been saying this for ages.
But what he doesn't do with love and respect to him is honor that Christ is real, real, that this is a transcendent manifesto of all reality.
The author of reality entered into his own story, the creator of the simulation entered into the simulation to establish a new way of.
Communicating and being.
And I think, to forgive this ramble, is I think that what we're trying to do is look at anodyne and sanitary Christianity and look at where it needs to be revived and reignited.
Then we're looking at a conspiracy culture that's endlessly carooming and tangled.
We have to look at these two worlds and recognize that the same thing is being approached.
And without the cross, without him, without personal acceptance of him, we'll just end up.
Critiquing without energizing will end up in dead tradition, just ashes and incense.
I'm trying to recognize that there is a subjective experience and we might be told an objective experience and through prayer collapse that.
The kind of Christianity that I feel like I've been called to is a kind of a quantum physics Christianity.
And of course, I don't understand quantum physics.
No one does because it's sort of unknowable.
But what seems to be real is that the process of observation alters physical reality.
It is the smallest observable level.
So in prayer, it's an incantation to become who you really are.
And to be in absolute truth and to recognize, as with Paul's great analogy, that we move in and out of Christ.
Like that there are moments, like now I feel all right.
I feel like I'm doing this properly.
I feel like I'm not trying to get anything from you and I'm not trying, I'm not frantically panicking about what other people think of me.
But I know there will be points over the course of the day where I'll experience either temptation or intimidation.
And in those moments, I'll lose myself.
Prayer is to ensure that we establish such a strong connection with God that it can withstand that we can sleep in the storm with him.
That when the storm comes and we know it's coming, that we can rest in the boat in total trust and faith in him.
Oh, jail.
Okay, jail.
Assassination.
Okay, assassination.
When you no longer belong to the devil, when you belong to him, then as Paul says, I'm only here to talk to you lot.
I'll go now.
I want to be with him.
I want to see his face.
I want to see his face.
I love him.
But I know at the moment I'm meant to be here to be with you, to love you.
To train with you, to be in discipleship and training together with you.
I don't question that.
It's not our job to question it.
So, prayer is to collapse it, to collapse it, to collapse the wave particle, to live in the unknowable, to recognize that we are being made pure in Him and through Him, that in and of ourselves we do nothing.
We do nothing.
We saw what we did when we were in sin and He loved us then.
I have a vision of you in DC and I know because you've told me and you've been honest about it, cocaine and the things that I assume accompany that.
And He loved you then and He died for you then and He.
Brought that shame onto himself that you may know him.
And then when you are not, he can't be with us when we're in sin.
All systems of power attempt to impose a narrative that facilitates their further power.
I realized after you, but like I realized that the problem with the kind of imperialism that would have occurred if Kamala Harris had been president is it's globalist and it's bureaucratic and it's managerial and they use compassion to maximize total control.
I was not, you know, everyone's got 2020 hindsight, but I like, you know, the videos exist.
I think Trump is an extraordinarily enjoyable public figure.
I think he says what's on his mind in a way that's sort of almost unprecedented, but it's certainly seeming to become somewhat unpresidential in addition.
What I didn't enter into was the idea that Trump MAGA could be anything other than a bulwark against the annihilation of bureaucratic global imperialism.
That's I, because I think a personality like that.
Can slow things down.
And I think it's an obstacle.
But the thing that's particularly disheartening about this war, and I know that you spoke about it extensively prior to the election of Trump with the Iranian war, is that this war would be happening if Kamala Harris was president anyway.
That's my very distant, hazy view.
I'm not really in this view.
Is oh, if someone as particular, personal, and extraordinary on the human plane as Trump ultimately ends up doing what the globalist imperialists would have done anyway.
Then, what are we all discussing when we're talking about America first and MAGRA and all of that stuff?
So, what I'm saying there is global bureaucracies is a terrible instantiation of Satan's counterfeit power, omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence through technology, absolute ownership.
Nationalism, I thought, would instill a temporary preservation, at least of the nation, but the nation is corruptible and is corrupted and is fallen.
And now, I think the call is, and you seem to understand this, I know you understand it better than me.
Historically and geopolitically and politically and nationally and domestically, and I would run out of words in all of those ways.
But what I know as a Christian is that there is something about your sovereignty in absolute submission to Him that we need to tell people.
There is something in the principle of democracy when practiced correctly using the maximum technological efficiency that gives us the chance to live truthfully.
We can't live in this loopy, lunatic illusion.
Any longer of moving between false polarities that appear ultimately to have an ulterior or at least superior power that directs them, regardless of the mandate offered through some phatic electoral process.
I don't know if you can double the speed of a YouTube video.
I don't know if you can cut it in half because I want everyone to hear every word that you just said because I think they're inspired words and I think that they're all true.
Um, and I won't summarize, but I was asked people to rewatch what you just said in case they missed all of it the first time.
I'm good at listening to fast talking, so I caught every word.
I think you're absolutely right.
And so let me just rephrase what I think you said.
We spent all this time trying to construct a defense against what was clearly happening to us in the West, maybe the world, which was this globalist totalitarian nightmare, only to awake to realize actually we may have been participating unknowingly in the creation of it just.
If we had any faith in any personality or person other than Christ, it's only in Him.
Like that, what I was kept thinking about today is let people, like that verse that's like, by the way, we love one another, let them know that we're Christians.
So, my job while I'm here, I know you're in Christ.
So, my job is to love you.
That's my job here.
And with my friends, Dave and Jake that I'm traveling with, and beloved Lexi and the people that I'm working here that I'm most familiar with, just to be loving and present with them.
And that's my primary job.
I can do that.
And when I notice myself stopping doing that, which I will do because I'll get hungry or something, then to intervene with myself as best I can by honoring and knowing my weakness.
Now, I didn't believe that, and I don't believe that there is any political figure operating within current systems that is going to bring about the type of change that's required to at least forestall total annihilation.
That's right.
I don't see anyone.
Gavin Newsom, AOC, Bernie J.D.
And in fact, what I was saying around 2015 when I've First, I stepped into when I stepped out of what you might call vanilla celebrity and into political opining, even though my vanilla celebrity was shellacked in a particular kind of louche decadence.
When I stepped into, when I stepped into, because I was like, I had a girlfriend at the time that was involved with a new statesman.
And so I did an edition of the new statesman, British, one might say Fabian, kind of Fabian.
So, so, so, sort of fetishizing leftist ideas in order to create centralized.
Bureaucracies that will never deliver to the people that they purport to care about, the famed ordinary Brit or average American, that poor bunch of chattel churned and tossed about on the storm of any passing breeze or fad.
Anyway, so I said yes to this thing.
And like, man, I knew a lot of famous people back then, like Alec Baldwin, David Lynch, that I we we dude out in China who just said that he went back to his native China, Ao We We.
I think I'm saying his name right.
He went back there.
He's like super famous and the left love him.
And like, you know, because he left as a dissident from China and lived in Germany for a while and he's a Apparently, a very brilliant artist.
I didn't know that.
I think he did the cover, along with Shepard Fairy, the ardent Democrat supporting American artist.
So, we went back to China.
He goes, Germany's worse than China.
Like, there's more centralized control, manipulation, less freedom of speech than China.
And this guy's a darling of the left type figure.
Anyway, so when I was doing that New Statesman thing, that's when I did an accompanying promotional interview with our defining show, Jeremy Paxman's News Night.
Jeremy Paxman was Fox News Tucker.
He was like the guy that people got off on, like watching that dude mess with politicians.
I'm not talking about like, you know, he'd probably be more liberal left than you were sort of a traditional conservative during your sort of Fox.
Pomp and heyday, but we got the same commodity from him.
Jeremy Paxman would sit there with a home secretary and just go, come on.
Like he was more bombastic.
You know, that time, like, oh no, I get why you think it.
No, you just don't want us to have guns, but you have them.
And I was talking about I'm going to run for mayor of London because, like an idiot, like the disciples actually, I thought this is what I thought.
I thought, you've really, what I should have thought is people have heard what you've said is true and they're responding to the truth in what you've said.
That's why I should have recognised.
But what I thought, being fallen and a fool, was.
Oh, I'm really great and I should be powerful.
I made it about myself.
I thought that I was fantastic and I got involved in it, I got involved in my own thing.
And obviously, it all went terribly, terribly wrong, as it always does when you do.
Well, I did say that I was going to run for mayor of London.
And I did say that, uh, that, um, there's, yeah, I participated in some brilliant movements like housing movements in London.
And we led like this big march into Downing Street and outside Downing Street, I got into a confrontation with a reporter and they had to talk about me in Parliament.
This is 2015.
And what happened was, is I think from that moment, I think I was on the, uh, I would say the, uh, radar of certain forces that probably monitor, uh, Online threats and vocal critics of establishment power.
And I would suggest that in the UK, it's a little more insidious, nefarious.
And the image I have is like dirty soil, like oil in soil, like toxic land.
Like Britain's a deep rooted, toxic land.
Now, I know a good deal of British, UK, imperial power migrated to your country in the same way that Nazi physicists migrated in order to ensure Babylon succeeds.
What happened was that I got attacked a bunch, like seriously attacked.
Seriously attacked, and I sort of withstood it somehow.
But that's what it did, it eviscerated me, and I withdrew to the country.
I got married, and I bought my beautiful dog bear, and I had my beautiful children, and I lived out there calmly.
I mean, we're going to the moon, so everything's cool.
We've got this device now that's going to solve everything.
Gandhi, in like 1940, said, check this from Gandhi.
Gandhi said, as the British were finally expelled, he said, there's no point in us beating the British in this revolution and then imitating and emulating the systems that have been bequeathed by them to us.
India is a country of 70,000 villages.
Each village should be fully autonomous, trading only where necessary.
We must lose our fixation on gadgets and technology.
1940s, he's saying this.
Of course, India, we know what happened.
It emulated and, like, is essentially sort of, you know, it got conquered in an entirely different and more insidious way.
The two of them go down like Coca Cola, McDonald's, and the Olympics, you know, like Coca Cola, McDonald's, the Olympics, and satanic festivals where you mock Christian imagery.
And if you find people that are prominent and outspoken and willing to risk their lives, probably what you should do is shoot them dead and then blame, like, something that will work in the culture, like, I don't know, trans people.
That wouldn't work.
Knowing in your heart of hearts that Christ would love and minister to all of us, seeing us all as one family.
I'm not interested in race.
I'm not interested in color or skin or sexuality, although I am a bit interested in sexuality.
All of you don't make a God out of it, whether you're a heterosexual, homosexual, single, celibate, whatever you are.
Anyway, so I got in a lot of trouble, but it was the first time I got in trouble.
The thing is, because he is real and because it is true, the very fact that, as a result of presumably certain demographic information in your country, there's a requirement even to imitate Christianity, as with that lady sort of charging her way to be first rather than last.
And if she'd read the Bible, that's not what she would do.
Once you've said America is a Christian country, we're running this on Christian principles.
We need to return to how Christianity informed the constitution and the founding fathers.
And as Charlie Kirk, God rest his soul, used to say that this was meant to be practiced in alliance and alignment with Christian principles.
If you, that telos will be used in his service because we now have a standard.
We now have a standard.
Now, of course, we have forgiveness and we have anyone.
He will forgive all of us if he can forgive me.
He's taken my sin, he's taken my shame, he's taken yours, and he'll take anyone's.
The most powerful people in the world, the most vulnerable and weakest person in the world.
Indeed, he has no favorites.
He doesn't even care about those categories.
He doesn't recognize those categories.
So, what I'm saying is, the reason that they annihilated Christianity is because it gave us a verifiable, permanent, indeed eternal basis upon which to run the kingdom.
It gave us instruction, it told us what's going to happen.
Now, if as some kind of gambit, People have been emulating and performing Christianity, that's in there too.
He says, No problem, no problem, because people will hear the name of Jesus Christ and they'll be saved.
They'll be saved by that name and by acceptance in their hearts.
And more practically, once those environmental conditions have been set, those of us that truly are following him and are trying our best to follow him and are trying to make ourselves smaller so that he can become greater, we can say, Well, we've been looking in here and it doesn't say that you're meant to have a war with Iran.
And it doesn't say that you're meant to validate.
People performing surgery.
In fact, you are perfect already.
Did you not know?
You are so beloved.
Let's help you.
How can we help one another?
Because you know, our Lord, He would have been down with a trans, down with a homeless, down with a fentanyl, down with a junkies.
He wouldn't have been going, oh, this is disgusting.
How can I love you?
How can I love you?
And I spend a surprising amount of time actually speaking to gay people about Christ and, like, you know, because obviously they're concerned.
And I'm trying to understand how we love.
And what I can tell them absolutely is.
is I overly identified with my sexuality.
I'll tell you that I made my sexuality the most important thing about me.
And I thought it was okay to be hedonistic and decadent.
And it was an expression of my sort of neo pagan self.
And can I say there's been some consequences?
So you, you might want to consider, you know, there's something more beautiful about you.
Are you saying, for example, that Jesus Christ and the beloved disciple John would have improved this great intimacy and total love between them?
By ejaculating, is that what you're suggesting?
There is more to you than that.
There is a supreme intimacy with God.
He actually wants to be inside you right now.
Look at the carnality.
He's incarnate.
We eat his flesh and blood.
There's, as well as the agape love, there's Eros love in that.
We are his bride.
We are his bride.
We had like it's there, it's a very powerful energy, the sexual energy.
And I definitely, definitely misused it extensively by worshipping it and identifying with it.
So when I'm talking to people about problems around identity and sexuality, even though I've never had the challenge of same sex attraction, my certainty is that we shouldn't be sex, should not be our God, that love must be first.
In fact, the 12 steps puts it so well, Tucker.
In the great big book of Alcoholics Anonymous, which I'm a student of, it says, um, We want to stay out of this debate around sex.
Some people think that sex is the be all and end all, and some people want to live in absolute denial of sex.
This is a controversy we don't want to enter into.
Some people would have a man with no flavor for his fare, and the other camp would have them on a straight pepper diet.
Someone pointed out to me that straight pepper diet would be eating a condiment as if it were the main course or the meal.
Sex is a condiment upon which you add flavor to the meal of love.
That's what it is, according to scripture, in a marriage between a man and a woman.
I'm still, you know, for my own.
I'm trying to understand how to be completely loving to all people and not, I don't, it says here clearly, don't judge, get the log out of your own eye.
So I guess it's not my ministry is not about that.
But I'm just what, what I don't want is to be a participant in a church that prioritizes judging and condemning others rather than dealing with our own evident internal fallen broken problems.
We had this conversation at breakfast this morning with a wonderful person who works for us and, um, I was telling her about being in church a couple of weeks ago when somebody got up to read who, you know, I knew a lot about and was judging so much based on, you know, behavior that we judge or whatever.
And this person gets up to read.
And I really felt very strongly that God just like spoke to me, which doesn't happen every day.
And the message was, You are no better than her.
And I turned, it makes me emotional thinking about it.
And I turned to my wife, who I know was having similar thoughts or I thought she was.
And I whispered to her, I said, We are no better than her.
And she goes, I know.
And I think that is, that's really at the center of it.
And also, but it, I mean, there is not a sense in which, I hate that phrase, but there, It is true that all people are connected to all other people in some way that's impossible to understand as a person or for me to understand in any case, but that is absolutely real and you can feel it.
And it's almost like there are moments, these rare transcendent moments in your life.
I mean, sex is one of them where the barriers between people get thinner.
They may not dissolve entirely in this life, but they're definitely the membrane is thinner.
And you feel a great satisfaction in that because that's kind of how it's intended to be.
That's so much that divides us is fake.
Put there on purpose in order to divide us, but that it doesn't reflect reality like our humanity, the fact we're all created by God is the most important fact about us.
For decades, Russell Brand was one of the most famous actors and comedians and agnostics in the world.
Today, he is one of the most sincere Christians we know, a follower of Christ.
His personal transformation is remarkable.
We saw it up close.
He has now recounted it in an amazing book called How to Become a Christian in Seven Days.
And it recounts what happened to him.
And it makes the case to all of us for stepping away from our secular assumptions and returning to the only thing that matters, which is God.
And that if we are able to receive our identity in him, then we will find in that a kind of harmony, not necessarily ease or absence of suffering, but at least a certain truth.
And isn't it extraordinary that in this world of counterfeits, the identity politics, a peculiar facsimile and emulation of individual sovereignty, has come to the forefront?
You start to identify with false things that you made with your own hands.
No, the message to people about gender identity is go further.
You are more individual than that.
He loves you more than that.
You are more unique than that.
You're not part of a group of people that happen to feel that you don't fit with the arbitrary gender identities of 2026 American cultural identity that wear this and wear that.
Indeed, in the word, in heaven, there is no man woman.
In heaven, in the supreme reality, there is no man, woman.
He says that.
That's in there.
You're right.
You're right in a way.
It's a kind of a performance.
But if that performance leads you to like, you know, changing your body surgically, then that's potentially there might be another route.
But we can look at the data and see if that's working for people post surgery and how many of them are happy with it.
And I guess we could make a scientific, a kind of a scientific judgment.
But the problem is, is that all of us have been now recently exposed to the total illegitimacy of science in so much as we all know that only Profitable experimentation is being undertaken.
Who's doing and conducting the experiments to demonstrate absolutely that there is no causal link between the childhood vaccine program and the rise in autism?
Who's going to pay for that?
Vaccine manufacturers?
I wouldn't have thought so.
The government?
I don't.
And then that's the end of the list.
There's no one else that can afford to.
Who, by the way, I mean, one of the moments of a deeper awakening to the immersive, ubiquitous insidiousness of global imperialism came for me.
You know, when you sort of realize things yourself, that then becomes Somewhat culturally evident and obvious and explored in the future.
We can't have significant audiences online where people are getting non mainstream information.
What do we do to annihilate that?
Well, can we create some kind of ideological diaspora where they're all arguing with one another, sometimes about important things, sometimes about dumb stuff?
And as Dave Smith, I know he's a collaborator and friend of yours, when he said that 2008 and the Occupy movement was a kind of unique solidarity when it comes to the typical political taxonomies in your country and mine, people transcended that and recognized, hold on a minute, it's financial institutions that are to blame for this.
No, I became a Christian both instantaneously, but over the entirety of my life.
When it happened, it happened in an instant.
It happened when I was, I reckon, even though I wouldn't have termed it this way at the time, probably contemplating suicide.
I was probably considering suicide.
Do, is this, would this, is there a way out of this?
And the reason was, of course, was because of the allegations in the UK of criminal sexual conduct, specifically rape and sexual assault.
At the same time as my son had been diagnosed with a heart condition, which we've discussed previously.
And those two things happening simultaneously did something extraordinary to me.
In so much as it was exposed to me that I've, I mean, I heard it as a voice, like you just described, sometimes you hear these voices.
You've spent your whole life worshipping fame and sex.
Well, now look, fame and sex have come together.
Is this what you wanted?
And all the time that I was famous, by the way, I think there would have been people that are the only things they would have known about me is, oh, isn't that that guy that was married to Katy Perry?
And isn't that that guy that likes always talking about sex and stuff and being all like a sexy rock star in movies in your country?
They might say that.
So, those two things sort of compounded to show me the nature of my worship.
You have been worshipping false gods.
You have been idolizing yourself.
And fame can be glorious for the kingdom.
He is a tool he can use.
Sex, magnificent source of creation, connection, of course.
But I was misusing those things.
Now, when that hit me, even though I kind of understood it a little bit before, I didn't understand it as viscerally as I did in the new context of your son.
I'll tell you this, man, there was a moment where.
I was walking my dear beloved dog bear and check out this thought.
This is, I think, the tempter.
I think this is the accuser.
This thought occurred.
Would you, what if your son, Laura's still pregnant, my wife is still pregnant.
What if your son died and this could all go away?
Would you accept that?
And I sort of went, Oh God, no.
Like that, like I felt, I sort of fell to my knees and I cried.
I cried for thinking it.
I cried for thinking it.
Like, how could you even think that?
How could you even think that?
And it sort of purged me a bit, that cry and that cleanse.
In this period of contemplation, a friend of mine from a 12 step support group sent me a video of Rick Warren.
And Rick Warren, I'd never heard of Rick Warren.
I don't know that Purpose Driven Life sold 30 million.
And the way he spoke about his son killing himself, because for me, in my mind, this is Tony Robbins, like someone I deeply admire, as a matter of fact.
I'm thinking, Rick Warren, he must be like a personal coach kind of person who brings out your ex.
Excellence or whatever.
You know, I didn't even have a reference for what Christianity is thinking about it now.
Like, but like, so Rick Warren spoke about his son's suicide without shame, with pain and sorrow, but without any kind of indulgence of that.
And I thought, what is that?
What is that?
What is that that you can, because if your child kills himself, you ain't better not be writing no books about personal development because the worst thing that can happen has happened.
But when I saw it modeled, delivered, when I encountered it, I felt like, oh, he's what is it?
And that sort of somehow glitched something in me.
And I was out there and I was in the fields by my house.
You've visited my house.
I'm by the River Thames, by the river, by the still waters, and I'm in green pastures.
And it was only when my dog died that I realized that my dog is a German shepherd, that he was a shepherd, and that the shepherd made me sit down in green pastures and he made me be still by the waters.
And I understood that I was being spoken to and that through my son, I was being spoken to.
Tucker, in those moments where you, if you hand over your boy, Like, you're 12 weeks old to surgeons and you don't know if you're getting back again.
Like, and then when you see him with the wires and the tubes and all that stuff, he's so visceral.
And in those rooms, me and Laura, we felt okay.
We felt fine.
We felt peaceful.
We felt protected.
And I was going into those hospitals in like the first time I wore a mask during that pandemic.
Let me tell you was to be out in the streets in London because every single newspaper and every single TV station was dedicated right up until October the 7th, peculiarly to saying Russell Brand's a rapist.
Could we have done something like, and like in plain sight, suggesting that somehow I'd conducted my entire career and in anticipation of a time where in the future I would be accused of sex crime brilliantly.
He was flirting with every single woman he ever met on TV, on camera and chatting up.
If, like, if there's, if there was a talk show and there was a female here, I'd like to know, are you single?
And if she said yes, I'd like start flirting with her and try and detect that she attracted to me.
And if she was, I would pursue that till it's natural, literally natural conclusion.
If I, on the other hand, detected revulsion, resistance, then like, I'm like, okay, luckily I'm famous.
So like, and they tried to somehow reframe that as some, as like, I don't know how you would even do that.
But the problem is.
I created a lot of data out there during those years.
I was sleeping with thousands of women, and I was sleeping with women that will have sex with you immediately in a bathroom or backstage or in a corridor or in a car.
So I create quite a lot of, I hurt people, I exploit people.
That's greedy, that's selfish, it's inconsiderate, it's mean, it's certainly sinful, immoral, it's all of those things.
There's no question about any of that.
So when, show me the man, I'll show you the crime.
If people's phones are getting scraped, as Edward Snowden revealed from more or less the late 90s, Just in case one day you do something we don't like, we're ready to go.
It's either going to be the pink or the green, the money or the honey.
We're going to get you financially or we're going to get you sexually.
Unless you're a person that's lived in Christ.
If you've lived in Christ your whole life, they're going to have to kill you for doing nothing.
They're going to have to kill you for doing nothing.
Probably what happened to Charlie Kirk.
Probably there was nothing shady to get him with, was there?
That may be what it was.
So, you know, luckily I was a philanderer and a hedonist.
So, well, we'll just do rape and sexual assault with that guy.
That's, it's going to take minutes.
So they're able to, it's unbelievable.
When you see the material that was generated initially, I mean, their documentary by this company called hard cash.
It was a actors played the women that were making allegations that had not gone to the police or anything like that.
And they used bits of my stand up where I was saying stuff like, um, You know, like really in a camp, I'm a British comedian, so I've been super camp and crass, but using campness to take the edge off very vulgar, anatomical, and sexual, and erotic jokes, which I was very explicit about.
And they would pose that next to someone being shot in silhouette, even though it was an actor, shot in silhouette, even though it's an actor, to protect the identity of an actor.
Like they should, like, you know, if you put them with music, you know, people don't realize a documentary is a construction.
What archive music did you choose from the archive library?
But the reason that there were no allegations, I'm assuming, contemporaneously or during Me Too, or, you know, all the way up to there was a television program called Russell Brand Has Secretly Been Committing All These Sexual Offenses.
I'm assuming, and then there was a phone number at the end of, Have you ever met Russell Brand?
Then I'm assuming that was a component in this.
So either we believe that the Times, owned by Rupert Murdoch, are a great, you know, they're a force for good in the world.
And, you know, Hard Cash, whose name has certain indications, are that they're there to help us and that the mainstream media at large are here to help us.
Or there might be some other agenda at play.
That if people are prominently talking about COVID and Moderna and Pfizer and Rishi Sunak invested in Moderna when it only had five employees.
And then when he was Chancellor and Prime Minister, they did deals with Moderna to the tune of millions.
And all of the things that we understand took place in the COVID period or the Ukrainian war and that the CIA carve out, I I should say, made content saying Russell Brand's an asset for Russia and put it into Ukrainian language.
That's an indication of the presence of the state, or if the 77th Brigade, run by Mark Lancaster, who's married to Caroline Dynage, who's the department head of the social media department, and Caroline Dynage on like day one of Russell Brand's accused of sex crimes is like, he should be demonetized on X and YouTube.
When did she learn what the word demonetized means?
Does she know about CPMs, does she, and programmatic ads?
Or did she have a conversation with someone?
I wonder who.
I wonder if it was her husband, Mark Lancaster.
Guess what their job is?
In when Britain are occupying or working in Afghanistan or Syria or wherever to protect us, like the 77th Brigade, what they do is ensure that there is no significant uprising by managing the social media, by de amplifying and controlling social media in, for example, Afghanistan or Syria to make sure that only the correct rebel factions are able to organize their information.
Shadow banning, we'd call it here.
Well, 77th Brigade aren't allowed to operate in the UK because you're not allowed to use military psyops on a domestic population, except.
In COVID, special suspension was made, allowing 77th Brigade to operate inside the UK.
And to allow them, and it said this in the Times newspaper, the same newspaper, in fact, that published much of the nefarious and untrue reporting about me, that 77th Brigade are going to take down vaccine misinformation, social media commentators.
And I was beginning to think, I have to be involved in politics.
It's not enough.
It's not enough to just talk about this.
Indeed, look at what's happened with cryptocurrency.
Technology means that the same centralized financial institutions cannot control global finances in the way they once did.
Don't look too much into where that power is primarily housed, but it seems that you can generate false revenue through inflationary measures.
You can control entire economies and indeed base an economy on the one thing that's explicitly forbidden in here.
Debt and usury.
Thankfully, all our debts are paid by the one who truly loves us.
So, technology changed currency and finance forever.
Technology is changing media forever.
It's inevitable that it will change politics when people accept that we now have the technology for direct participatory democracy, where every single issue could be polled and voted on by the population, that you could have minimum centralization and minimum intervention as the principles, that the states, each state could be independent.
Wherever possible.
Each town could be independent wherever possible.
Each individual could be independent wherever possible.
In here, of course, we have some significant guidelines for transgressive behaviors that would require legal intervention.
And pretty much all of us know what those are.
We've all, like, indeed, C.S. Lewis's primary argument along with Aquinas is morality doesn't have to be engineered.
And it's not some sort of post truth, post structuralist, there is no truth arbitrary thing.
We all know good and bad because we feel it viscerally and we feel it in our cardiovascular system.
We have inbuilt sensors.
If you don't turn them off with that, And bad food and bad signals continually.
In a manageable way, Tucker, the City of London is having an election for mayor in 2028.
The reason this is fascinating is because the office of mayor is manageable.
The London mayor, Sadiq Khan, right now, is only in control of the metropolitan police force, London transport, and certain issues regarding planning and housing.
All of these areas in a participatory direct democracy could be opened up to people that live in London, that love London.
All of a sudden, you don't have politics that thrives and runs on ideology and debate.
You have a pragmatic democracy.
Do you want ULES cameras that charge you if you have a certain type of vehicle?
Do you want a congestion charge?
Vote for it.
If you vote yes, we'll do it.
If you vote no, we won't.
Do you want this type of policing where people are arrested for Facebook posts or do you want to focus on knife crime?
Which boroughs, which areas, what time of day?
Do you want us to investigate historic crimes or do you want us to focus on contemporary rape gangs?
The beauty of it is you would say we have an opinion and we have a voice and we have advocacy.
You could even, if you wanted for free, because there's no way I would pay people to do this, have a council of elders from the LGBTQ plus community, from the Muslim community, from the white working class community, from the left.
And from the right, from all potential groups and say, why don't you advocate and advise?
Because I don't want to be in charge of London.
I want to participate in an end to the kind of politics that we know is birthing, midwifing the apocalypse and Armageddon through duplicity, through conflict, through endless self obsession, through pornography, through addiction, using addiction, even where it doesn't typically play out every time we look at a screen, the food that we eat, the things we believe about ourselves.
I would like to run for mayor of London in 2028.
So that the people of London would run it, so that politicians are not involved in politics, so we have true, open source, transparent democracy.
I bet you, like me, do polymarket adverts.
They seem to be advertising absolutely everywhere.
That technology for polling and electing could be used to determine where you want your local budget spent, who you want running a particular area of public life, if there is a requirement for any representation.
And most importantly, you will be in control of your own lives.
And we don't need to quarrel and squabble about Islam and Islamic invasion.
If the people of Epping, Don't want to have migrants in their community, then let them vote on it.
Now, that's not an area that the London mayor controls, but certainly if the polling was available, it would be difficult to impose that on the people of Epping.
Perhaps if people in other communities are very pro refugees, they would get a budget for and the ability to house refugees.
There's no point in us living in this tower of babble, madness of incessant, unending conflict online and sometimes in person when we have the opportunity for real community, real change.
At this point, Tucker, we know that the Republicans aren't the answer.
The Democrats aren't the answer.
The Conservatives aren't the answer.
The Labour Party, the Greens, Reform, whoever.
What you want is for people to be absolutely empowered in their own lives, as our Lord suggests.
Each of us has direct access to divine truth, and you can participate as much as you want to.
So, that I want to tell you as well that my intention, amidst all this madness, with a forthcoming trial and a book out that I'm very pleased with, I'm going to run for Mayor of London in 2028.
And I don't want to be willfully ignorant, of course, but I tend not to ask what will happen if I'm not acquitted because I've got a wife and three young children.
Also, by the way, I do believe if someone committed a rape 20, 25 years ago and that's proven to be true, that person should go to jail.
Like, rape is abhorrent.
I watched the other day, like, something like Pretty Woman with my wife.
And, like, when there's an attempted rape by the brilliant Jason Alexander, it's An appalling, abhorrent, jarring moment.
I'm not saying I wasn't a pretty appalling lowlife of an individual, but what I was not doing was imposing, forcing, coercing, attracting, charming, seducing.
I was actually in the British Isles the day this happened, and I called you.
I'll never forget it.
And I gave the bad advice I give to everyone who's charged in a political case like this, which is run as fast as you can to a country with no extradition treaty and, like, don't, which is an option.
It is an option.
Of course, run away.
Like, this whole system is rigged.
Against people who question its most basic premises, as you have.
So, like, why are you submitting?
You're choosing to participate in this to take the risk to submit.
Firstly, because I believe all things are from God.
And I recognize that this is what it took for me to accept that my life is not my own, that I belong to a higher calling, a higher purpose.
I recognize that.
I also recognize that what I demonstrated and how I lived for a long time was wrong.
I also believe in trial by jury, as a matter of fact, even though the United Kingdom are trying to obliterate that.
And that's not a good sign.
They're trying to remove that, except for murder and rape cases, but they are try as well as advancing surveillance technology, facial recognition, digital ID, all of the things you're aware of in the dystopian UK.
They're trying to get rid of jury trial.
And I believe it is possible to have a fair trial.
And I believe it is necessary to confront and stand up and stand firm in your conviction.
In this case, in my conviction about the truth of what I've done and what I haven't done, because as a Christian, we're all forgiven for all of the things we've done wrong, but you don't need to be forgiven for things you haven't done.
And There is, of course, in a way, no choice.
You say that I could go to a place where there's no extradition treaty.
And in the moments of my worst fear, those are the kind of things I think about.
But in reality, Tucker, it says in here, the book of James opens with, We consider it pure joy when we face trials of any kind.
And there's no exemption in the Christian life.
It's not like, well, except unless you actually do have a trial, in which case, get yourself to Bora Bora quick, smart.
You know, this is what I'm called to do.
This is what I am called to do.
This is what we are being called to do.
I'm not trying to drag you into my terrible trial with me.
I'm saying that your trial, I think, is of a comparable nature.
Because, in a sense, it's sort of inadvertent that we find ourselves in this position that you had an enormous audience on Fox, and then you become an independent journalist and become even more successful, and you go from advocating for Trump for reasons that are perfectly understandable to.
Condemning Trump for equally evident and obvious reasons, more or less, even if we take personalities out of it, the Iran war, that where does that go for you now?
What are you going to be called to do?
You will note that most of the people that get called in here are like, no, thanks.
I'd rather not.
I'd rather not.
I've always been a sort of a bit of a glory hunter kind of, you know, well, that's actually the wrong way to put it.
I felt so worthless and inferior as a child, so this sort of unapproved of, unwanted, and unloved.
That's not to do with my parents.
They really did their best.
Level best.
And then, as a drug addict, anyone who's like the kind of drug addict I was, you're moving among poor people, prostitutes, broken people.
And all of that time, I felt a kind of an emptiness and a worthlessness.
And when my identity was fulfilled, it seemed at least to me in a kind of stardom and acceptance and being lauded and applauded and celebrated and loved and given the kind of attention that I thought would work.
And it was really quickly meaningless and empty after this beautiful golden moment of feeling like, oh, wow, Lord, you love me.
I feel that there is nothing for us to do, but to lovingly participate in whatever he puts in front of us.
And the examples are alive in here that all of them are persecuted and often just killed for what they believe in.
Normally, because at some point they encounter conflict with real power, either the kind of cultural Pharisaic power of the early Christians or the monarchical, oligarchical, terrifying despotism of the kings of the, of the earlier empires.
And for the first Christians, their role was to, well, indeed, isn't that the primary character of their conversion?
All these people that were willing to look into the eyes of people, including the 12 year old girl at the fire, and Peter said, I don't know him.
I've never met that guy where minutes ago he was willing to sort of get in a fight for him.
These people, these men, these ordinary men and women, these ordinary Christians, when they're confronted with a moment where they might have to die for what they believe in, take it.
Now, I recognize I'm not standing trial for being a Christian, I'm standing trial.
According to the lexicon of the British judiciary for the crimes that I've already discussed.
But in what this is my opportunity to do is to show that I believe in truth.
I believe you can have a justice system because there is a God.
If you don't believe in God, you can't have absolute justice or absolute truth.
They are, by definition, constructs of the human mind arrived at using a mind that, by its own belief, is itself an arbitrary system born of chaos.
You can't have morality.
And when you live in that culture, People do, a lot of people seem to anyway, because I'm talking about like a lot of Christians aren't living like, oh my God, this is actually real.
And that's, of course, forgivable.
The first Christians had that problem.
They found it hard to live as Christians, live as disciples of Christ, yoked to Him, following Him, eyes on Him at all times.
This is for me a difficult thing.
I wish it would go away.
I wish it would go away.
But what I pray for is the strength to be who I am in Him as I walk through it and to go where He wants me to go.
Power no more.
I don't want the power of being a celebrity or the mayor of London or a lothario.
I don't want that.
All I want is to know him intimately.
And I forget that sometimes because I'm weak and I'm easily distracted and I'm fallen.
But in him, I am none of those things.
He made me and you and everybody to know him, to know him and love him.
And it doesn't all have to be on a big, grand global stage in great big trials against a fallen nation.
Britain's fallen apart.
That's obvious.
It's evident.
It's on a different trajectory from your country.
It's still owned by dark imperial power.
And The thing about the idea of participatory direct democracy, Tucker, is I don't care if I don't want to sit in an office somewhere making decisions.
I want to pray all of the time.
I want to be with God and I want to be with my children and the people I love.
And to tell people to do what it says in the Great Commission tell people in a language that they'll understand God is real, Christ is real.
Stop worshiping the world.
You're going to die.
You're going to die.
And it's all meaningless.
All of us, evidently, all of us have experienced grief and death.
I can't even get through the death of my dog without Jesus.
In fact, but with Jesus, the death of my dog shows me, oh, My God, I may find it hard to think of a Galilean man 2026 years ago laying down their life for me, but I know that dog would have done it.
I know that dog would have done it.
And that opened enough in me for me to receive him more deeply when my beloved dog died.
I don't want to be in any other communion.
I don't want to be in any other conversation.
I don't want any of the world's power anymore.
I know how broken I am and how corruptible I am.
And I know I can't take my eyes off him for a second, but thankfully I see him everywhere now.
Well, you began the process at the beginning of your life, but you began the conscious change from pagan to Christian or whatever you were before to Christian after your son was diagnosed with a very serious ailment and you found out you're going to be indicted for rape.
You come to believe there's a power greater than yourself.
You hand over your will and your life to the care of God as you understand God.
But the problem, I think, with paganism is you will always, one will always revert to self amidst, if everything is, if everything is God, then anything is God.
And I know what I tend towards.
Me, I'm God.
I should be in charge.
That's where I incline towards.
So when I was in there, I don't like people saying that, you know, if it was up to me, people would only say nice things about me all of the time.
Well, actually, I was around really good Christians that were like, sort of like going, Well done.
Well, I was being, I was so encouraged.
Like, I was sent people, like, you know, like when I got baptized, because those kids, they were trying to, they were like, I remember those kids from hanging out with you that time around Easter.
They were like, Hey, I baptized her.
Can we baptize you?
We baptize each other.
It's like they were going to gang baptize me there and then.
And like, and I knew that Bear Grills had been saying to me, Hey, he actually termed it this way, Shall we get baptized, is what he said.
Like, and I thought, oh, me, because I had been so solipsistic up to that point, I didn't know that Bear Groot was a pretty passionate Christian and had been public about it.
So I thought, oh, Bear Groot's on this trip, is he?
I'll get baptized with him.
Well, when he arrived, it was quite plain that only I was getting baptized.
Then there was the obvious and evident demonic coughing, like I could not stop coughing.
The pastor arrived by boat.
My friend Joe, who's a Catholic, was one side of me, that hefty fallen man, and Bear on the other side.
It's like, you know, it takes for me sort of career criminals and the SAS to baptize me.
We got in that water and I couldn't stop coughing.
You know, when you get an embarrassing cough?
Oh, yeah.
One of them happened.
They were looking at each other.
We got in that river Thames.
I went under.
I came out and I felt different.
I felt different.
Now, a lot of companies in the UK that are in charge of water franchises have not behaved responsibly with that river.
So it could be diphtheria, it could be all sorts of things cholera, cholera.
It could have been many of those things.
But I came out and I felt different.
And I've not really felt an increasing.
Look, anyone that's Christian or has come to Christ as an adult knows what it's like.
There is a subtle vacillation.
There is at least temptation, a calling to go back.
What if I did this?
There is, I can feel the old identity.
Wasn't it Spurgeon who says, you know, you are drowned in Christ, but sure enough, the old guy can swim, the old man can really swim?
I feel the old man, I feel the Adam man in me, the old earth man, the fallen man calling back.
But I feel closer and closer to him all the time.
I feel like I'm able to have this conversation with you in Christ enough so that it doesn't seem to me to be a problem if some people go, I think you're only going.
I don't know if you know how the British legal system works.
But there is no contingency for Christians.
Britain has just made abortion legal till your 25th birthday.
We can abort you now if we have to.
We can euphonize you if you say, I've got a headache.
Euthanize him.
Euthanize him.
They're changing the law to put the power of God into the hands of man right now.
So saying, I'm a Christian is not like, you know, in Britain, the way things are going right now, where I pray for revival.
It means it's possible to aspire to that it's there, that there is a path, that there is a way.
No one's thinking about these things as they churn through mad post enlightenment despair and atrophy and entropy.
As the whole thing seems to dissipate and degenerate.
And as we nominate AI to be our moral center and create new false consciousness, new false gods and alarming rate, no one's considering that we've got no grounding in truth.
And until we have systems that represent our true role, Yet we are stewards of the earth.
That's why we love the earth.
We are its stewards.
We must love one another because that's what we're here to do.
When we get rid of that and put ourselves at the top, then we're just quarreling about ideologies.
How much longer in American politics do you want to go between, right, we won, let's spend the next four years desecrating the beliefs of this group, right, we won, let's desecrate the beliefs of this group, we won, let's desecrate, before we recognize, well, this isn't real.
What are we doing?
The real agenda is carrying on in plain sight.
And it seems to be a geopolitical agenda that has some weird connection both to Energy, which is another word for power, and indeed occultism, which means hidden ritual, hidden power.
Something is going on, something that I don't think any of us really understand.
And you, more than anyone, it seems to me, at least right now, appear to have been nominated to describe it to people.
And luckily, I do understand almost everything on a dog level.
It has to be very obvious for me to pick it up.
And I, But I do believe that symbols are resonant.
That's why people use them.
And if all around you, you see obvious signs that people have a religious agenda, I have been around powerful people for so long that one thing I've learned is they're the most religious people of all.
And they all pretend to be agnostic or I don't believe in anything, I believe in science.
No, They are observant religious people, they're just not worshiping the same God.
But they think their power is supernatural.
There's no doubt about it.
I know them and they believe they're special because they're getting supernatural power.
That, you know, the killing, the ritual killing of other people, whether through war or abortion or euthanasia, the death penalty, it is a religious ritual, of course.
And through killing, the shedding of blood of others, especially of innocents, they derive power.
What's child molestation?
There's no sexual attraction to children in nature because there's no reproductive possibility.
So, normal people are not, of course, there's something sexual about molesting a child.
I think that can be eroticized by sure, but the eroticization is in itself a kind of charge, I believe.
This is where again we would look to the outliers in the conspiracy community.
I know that you know, we talked at the beginning of how we've moved from mainstream media purview, where you know, just to say that I'm from the New York Times or the BBC is insufficient.
That doesn't that is not a badge of honor and authenticity.
Authority anymore.
Those days are gone, except for the sort of nostalgia around it, I suppose.
But then, like, you know, people that have been that are eccentric and are kooky, and perhaps because our culture hasn't afforded the roles that are emerging from this new kind of Jungian psyche that we create.
We create a new consciousness through AI, through the internet, through mass comms.
And so you will have the dark woman, the shadow woman that tells truth, and mad and frantic red faced preachers screaming.
Or broken, wounded men in, you will have converts and apostates too.
That's you and probably me too.
You will have the, and like, see David Icke, what I always feel about him is why can't the culture accommodate him?
And what on earth was it that happened even in the brief time that I was in media where we could, I used to have a radio show on the BBC, BBC Two, very popular, normal.
I got thrown off it, of course, because I did something ridiculous as usual.
But like, David Icke, he used to just come on.
I go, David Icke, so tell us what, the Queen's a lizard, and yes, there are reptilian entities.
Now, what David Icke would say about the rituals that involve, Child abuse is that it generates an energy that I believe they call louche that sort of is being utilized and all that adrenochrome stuff.
It's starting to seem eerily.
We're not moving away from that direction, is what I'm saying.
It's like that there's one vocabulary that describes it that seems conspiratorial, somewhat sort of baroque in its imagery.
And it's right, and then but the other one is in here.
I mean, it's like child sacrifice is clearly what they play at those high altars for Moloch and Baal and Beelzebul like that.
They're demanding innocence and there is some sort of weird aright component.
And what was Jezebel?
Doing when Elijah had to take all that time out, drive himself out.
I saw you say what you think all of a sudden, like throughout for time immemorial, the elites and most powerful people have had access to like sexual pleasure.
Do you think that's all of a sudden stopped now?
Do you think they're not doing it now because of rationalism?
Because now we can't like, we can't talk around power anymore.
That's what the decline of Trump does, I think, is it means you can't have this convenient, albeit temporary symbol of resurgent American pride and nationalism through common sense and free market and America first when there's a war with Iran that appears to be beneficial to extra American interest.
When we talk about power now, I, you know, of course, even though I don't particularly read it, I can, I could, one can sense the hysterical glee of the Democratic left.
We told you, Tucker Carlson, that Trump's a madman.
We told you that he was a narcissist.
We, we could have had Kamala Harris in that White House right now.
She would have never have gone to war with Iran.
Kamala Harris would have stood firm.
You saw the way that woman described problems and definitely wasn't drinking in the daytime.
I mean, look, you know, what I used to criticize when I was affiliated with the left by virtue of the class of my birth and the champagne socialism version of that as a sort of a star type guy, I used to, the argument that I used to really find quite repugnant was, Well, of course, we know the left's not perfect.
We know that Tony Blair is compromised.
We know that Keir Starmer at the CPS was dreadfully authoritarian.
And as I heard you once say, you won't convince me even at gunpoint that that guy's making decisions himself.
I love that.
Like, just let them be, because the alternative is so much worse.
The alternative is so much worse.
And using that polarity modality, they've bounced us around for about 100 years.
Clinging to his Bible, which I think we saw him sexually assault earlier in 1992.
I mean, like, they won't miss an opportunity to turn everything negative.
So when I say we can't be confused about power, you with your constituency, you with your voice, how can you ever again say, all right, I advocate for this party or this group?
And the one that I keep coming to is democracy could work, but it can't work at the scale of nations.
You're going to have to look at what the limits of democratic reach are.
And we've got to let go of some pretty baked in ideas individuality, individual sovereignty, beautiful, but individual expressionism, the ridiculousness of you've just got to be who you truly are.
Well, people are truly violent, they're truly corrupt, they're truly broken.
Be who you are in God, be who you are in God, not who you are according to your man.
Culture that will turn you into all sorts of crazy things on any given Sunday afternoon.
Individualism doesn't work as an idea.
Materialism doesn't work as an idea, as a highest principle.
Of course, I recognize we're in a reality that has edges.
And progressivism, the idea that we're advancing, people in the old days, they were idiots.
We've understood this now.
They needed the Bible back then because they were dumb.
We've advanced beyond that.
That idea has to go as well.
We have to move to a position of humility and righteousness.
Righteousness means I know your real God.
And I know me because I am me.
And I know you've been with me all the time.
So you know how broken I am.
You know what I've done.
You know what I've not done.
So that's the basis now for the rest of my life.
Seek thee first the kingdom of God and all this, and his righteousness will be granted to you.
If I'm in the right position with God, now I can do what God wants me to do, not what I want me to do or what the culture wants me to do.
So real power is God's power.
But as you already alluded to in both Luke's telling and John's telling of the temptation, when the devil tempts Christ, he says, I'll give you power over all of this.
And you can speak this language that you didn't invent using lungs that you didn't give yourself, walking on a land that you didn't build in an infinite space that seems to be expanding with a molecular world that's full of weird paradox and miracle.
You didn't do any of that, but you can, through his grace, participate in it through truth, first truth.
Like you said, confession.
Confess all, this is all of my brokenness.
This is who I am.
Do what you want with me.
And in a way, that is liberating because there is part of me, Tucker, that doesn't want to be convicted of rape and go to jail.
You have to, you know, like the business end of running for Mayor of London is pretty practical.
You pay 10 grand, you get some signatures in every single borough of London.
But this is the thing that I think is important.
It doesn't matter if it's me, it matters about the ideas.
If you have a Green Mayor of London or a Reform Mayor of London or a Conservative, or even if Sadiq Khan continues doing it, you know what you're going to get.
If you vote for participatory, open source, direct democracy where every single decision, Possible, and I don't see why all of it wouldn't be possible and open for referenda.
Switzerland does it four times a year, massive referendum, and that's a whole country.
You have the opportunity to change London meaningfully.
Now, that is populism, and populism is a kind of dirty word.
People sort of seem to think that the population are dirty, that there's something wrong with people.
Mob rule.
But I'd say what we have now is closer to mob rule.
And also, by the way, I rather object to the fundamental principle of contemporary politics.
By leadership and governance by appointed leaders, that you don't understand.
You're stupid.
You don't know what we know.
We need people that have been through these institutions to run government.
I don't like that.
I object to it on the most sort of personal, sociological, and relational grounds.
Some of those beautiful people I meet haven't had formal education.
Some of those intelligent people I meet haven't had a formal education.
And the idea that power belongs to an elite is, for me, disgusting.
And I think.
For a minute, if I can be entirely honest, I was so sort of blindsided and overwhelmed by the events that, you know, we've talked about a lot over the course of this conversation that I actually forgot you're supposed to be doing something for other people.
You're not meant to be here just for you.
You're supposed to be doing something for other people.
And the idea that someone as self involved as I have been, as narcissistic, solipsistic, hedonistic, and indulgent, as Epicurean as I've been in my life, would now say, listen, it doesn't even matter if it's me.
It doesn't matter if I'm the mayor of London.
The system, this idea, is what matters.
Open source, direct democracy, where you vote for if you want ULES cameras or this kind of policing or that kind of policing.
Is it Facebook or is it knife crime?
What do you care about?
You're not stupid.
You're not an idiot.
And indeed, it is possible to transcend this hysterical, endless conflict between, uh, Muslims in the UK, gay people versus straight people.
It's pointless.
It's irrelevant.
It's abstract.
I care more about my dog dying than the horrors in Gaza.
Because when my dog dies, I'm falling apart in grief and I'm coughing and I'm puking out.
And that's how God made me.
Of course, I should.
Do everything in my power to prevent genocide and destruction and war and hypocrisy and lies, but I've got a lot of that in house.
And until I deal with that, I'm no good to anybody.
I'm no good to anybody.
Maybe people in London shouldn't be thinking about Israel, Palestine all the time.
Maybe they should be thinking about how to run London themselves.
Do you want to live in what they told you forever?
Or do you want to take this precious gift of life granted to you by God or an unknown cosmic?
Force of random molecular chance that somehow ended in your consciousness and everyone you love, and grief and mourning and poetics and archetype, and participate in it while you're here all too briefly, unless you accept him, repent, and enter into eternity through him.
That's one route, and yeah, we've got a book about that.
Also, though, you could be running your community.
If it's bothering you at all, then the post Epstein file release era, we're still just like, hmm, maybe we should have this one or that one.
What do you think?
We've been told they're mad occultists having sex with children on an island.
I'm just so glad there's the footage out there of me on YouTube or on Bill Maher or wherever saying, hey, listen, Fox News is no worse than MSNBC or no better, you know.
It's out there.
I've said it on the television.
And I'm saying it now.
And I'm saying it now from a position of, I recognize the position I'm in.
I recognize my own fallibility and brokenness.
I don't think I should be in charge.
I don't think anyone should be in charge.
They're all broken and fallen.
The problem with representative democracy is on that little horse ride.
from their constituency to Congress or to Westminster, where 400 years ago, representative democracy at least had a rational undergirding as well as no obvious technological solution.
It seems that other interests get in the ear of these people and say, maybe would you vote this way?
Or maybe would you never say that again?
Or maybe shut your mouth right now?
And if we don't change that fundamental flaw, then you're going to live in an endless whirling downward cycle, a senseless spiral of their insanity, which we could intervene in with the one gift we know we have, consciousness, love, Life, glory, inclusive of everyone.
It's not your job to worry about whether someone's a Muslim or a Jew or an atheist or a homosexual.
Not like Brexit, where just keep voting until we can do what we were going to do anyway.
Not like every single general election until, or even Trump, even someone who seems pretty in themselves, eventually over time.
And I thought it was a great post you did, by the way.
Like, you know, eventually, like give him some grace.
That was great.
Like, even someone like him.
Can be just turned into whatever they want.
And then, like, the people that are ultra conspiratorial and I think probably closer to the truth than any of us would say, We told you all along, it doesn't matter who you vote for, you're going to get the same results.
Like, you know, the macro picture, you know, the geopolitical picture better than anybody, but I think the only way to do it is this thing that I'm starting to trust from being in your country.
The American people are beautiful.
They're brilliant.
They're not full of hatred.
I'm like down there in like the panhandle.
They're not all, they're not all like caught up in racism and bigotry.
You know, and like they're getting into it and it's kicking off, as you will be obviously aware, in Ireland.
And like I saw something on the BBC who said, like, in the countryside, it's too white and farmers are too racist.
And it like made me laugh out loud because I thought, like, imagine being a farmer and the sort of graft involved, the jobs, the duty, the toil, the trial.
We've got to get in there and cleanse that soil for next year.
Then I have to stop for a while, burn some Qurans.
Then I've got to shout hate language over a hedge into an adjacent field.
This field goes fallow.
This one here, this one's for my bizarre rituals of racial hatred.
That's my homophobia barn.
Farmers don't have time.
So they're telling you that people have got problems that they don't have.
The British countryside's white because that's where British white people have lived for ages now.
What are you making people hate one another for?
It's the reach to the kind of an absurd.
Frequency.
And I feel that I believe in him.
He's real.
So either I'll run for Mayor of London and nothing will happen, or I'll run for Mayor of London and go to jail, or I'll run for.
But what will happen if people talk is the idea of, hold on a minute.
Yeah, hold on.
That technology they're saying will work for our digital ID.
Wait a minute.
That would work.
And then we wouldn't have Dominion voting machines that might be maybe centrally corrupt.
And compromised.
You put the democracy in the hands of the people, open source it.
The technology exists now.
That's why dear Joe B. Weeks is on house arrest.
You should talk to that guy, by the way.
He was a Bitcoin entrepreneur.
He did some mining early on.
He got rich too quickly.
The FBI just came, took all of his equipment, put him in jail.
They've confiscated billions from this guy.
He's under house arrest this day.
He's awaiting trial.
You should meet him.
So, like, we're in these areas of innovation.
The ingenuity exists.
The grace exists.
The righteousness exists.
The talent exists.
This whole country that came from, like, dirt and paganism and in 250, 50 years is the most powerful and unprecedented and glorious nation in history, which, by the way, I think it is Jerusalem now, because if Israel was the original people, and Paul says, Go to the Gentiles, and our Lord says, Be a light to all nations, and everyone will come from everywhere, I mean, it's starting to sound familiar.
And all of these railroad entrepreneurs, and all of these miners, and this rich soil, and the furriers, and the trappiers, and the banks, and everything, and then all of a sudden it gets captured in a peculiar way that I don't quite understand, and it's got another agenda.
This is the greatest country.
In Earth, on Earth, this could be Jerusalem, but that won't happen with current institutional biases.
Don't you reckon if the founding fathers of your nation were alive now, they'd say, What should we do to implement the changes that are possible now as a result of extraordinary advance?