Milo Yiannopoulos and Tucker Carlson dissect the "born this way" myth, citing Uganda’s death-penalty laws for gay rape and Western hypocrisy—where sanctions over homosexuality ignored its criminalization in 49 U.S. states as late as 1962. Yiannopoulos ties same-sex attraction to trauma (e.g., priest molestation) and Freud-inspired therapy, calling modern LGBTQ+ identity politics a "1980s PR strategy" that stifles personal change. He mocks performative figures like Buttigieg while defending conversion therapy’s success in clinical trials, framing gay culture as a tool for societal control—from "faggotized" fashion to Capitol Hill influence. Carlson agrees, linking the push for monogamy and dependency to broader cultural decay, concluding that forcing people to stay gay contradicts free will. [Automatically generated summary]
Of all the great memes and clips on the internet, Fat Kid Falls Off Bike being, of course, the top of the list, really in the last 13 years, 13 years this week, almost nothing created on this planet has surpassed in popularity or sheer hilarity an interview that took place on Ugandan television in December of 2012 on a show called Morning Breeze, the morning show of Kampala,
Uganda. in which a trans activist, a woman who now identifies as a man, came on and was asked a series of questions by the host.
And if you don't know what we're talking about, here is a two-second clip that reveals the essence of the conversation.
And it's kind of the question that no one in the United States is allowed to ask.
Why are you gay?
And of course, it's being asked by an East African with kind of a quaint, semi-colonial accent.
And, you know, conservatives can laugh at it.
Liberals can laugh at it.
Really, this is the kind of the only way a white liberal in the United States could ever laugh at a black person.
If it's an African expressing non-PC views on homosexuality, why are you gay?
And of course, people in the West laugh because the guy's an idiot.
Why are you gay?
We all know why you're gay.
Why are you gay?
Actually, we're laughing in part because we're not allowed to ask that question.
It's settled, though no one's really explained what about it is settled.
If you were to ask the average American, why are people gay?
They would probably say, well, they're born that way.
And then if you followed up with, well, how exactly does that work?
They would have no idea and would tell you to shut up.
Because again, like so many myths or things that we think we know, we don't really know.
We can't really explain it, but we do know for dead certain we're not allowed to talk about it.
So when some African morning show host in Uganda, wherever the hell that is, asks it out loud, we can't help but laugh nervously.
Why are you gay?
If you watch the whole interview, and actually it's worth watching because it's really revealing both about Uganda and about the West, the first thing you notice is how polite everybody is.
That tone, why are you gay?
Continued throughout the entire interview, which lasted over an hour, just watched it.
And the morning show host, whether you like him or dislike him, was just unfailingly polite to the guest who was him or herself also unfailingly polite.
And they were just sort of talking past each other.
The trans activist couldn't really explain why he or she was gay or whether gay was different from trans or what was good about being gay.
That was another question the host asked.
Why would you want to be gay?
And the trans activist just like didn't really have an answer.
What was amazing was the sweetness of it.
It was not a hate crime, not even approaching a hate crime.
No conversation like that could take place in the United States.
But the host was coming from a position of total certainty that this is just weird and wrong.
And that is the consensus in a lot of the world.
And it's certainly famously the consensus in Uganda.
And the consensus in the United States across both parties and pretty much the whole educated population is they're horrible because they think homosexuality is wrong.
And we know this because about 10 years later in Uganda, the legislature passed almost unanimously with only, I think, one dissenting vote, a law against something called aggravated homosexuality.
Aggravated homosexuality as of 2023 is a death penalty offense in Uganda.
What?
Aggravated homosexuality?
A death penalty offense?
That's medieval.
But how is it defined in Uganda?
Well, if you read it, and you can because it's online, the Ugandan government defines aggregated homosexuality as gay rape of children, gay rape of the elderly who can't consent, people over 75, gay rape of people who are mentally deficient, and the intentional transmission of deadly diseases to another person.
So it's rape and murder, effectively, are against the law, in fact, capital crimes in Uganda.
It's a little different than advertised, but you would never know it because the entire American political class erupted as one when this law passed in East Africa, thousands of miles away with a non-relevant trading partner with no real military.
In other words, there's no actual reason to care about what Uganda does, but everyone here did care bipartisanly.
And we're actually not going to expect you to take our word for it.
We're going to go right to the CIA for the answer, meaning Wikipedia.
This is the Wikipedia description of the response.
President Joe Biden weighed in.
This was two years ago.
This is 2023.
President Joe Biden condemned the law, calling it, quote, a tragic violation of universal human rights and quote, the latest development in an alarming trend of human rights abuses and corruption in Uganda.
Corruption.
So here, the Ugandans, the Ugandans, had the temerity to exercise a democratic process using a legislature elected by the people of Uganda to pass a law almost unanimously with one dissenting vote.
And that's corruption.
It's almost as corrupt as the anti-gay marriage initiative in California that voters passed, but judges wisely struck down in the name of democracy.
Okay, so that was Biden's response.
But it wasn't just Biden.
Here's Senator Ted Cruz, the self-described conservative from Texas.
Here's what he said.
He tweeted this.
He put this in writing, as he so often does.
And we're quoting: any law criminalizing homosexuality or imposing the death penalty for, quote, aggravated homosexuality is grotesque and an abomination.
All civilized nations should join together in condemning this human rights abuse.
So it's uncivilized to penalize gay rape or the intentional transmission of a deadly disease.
You'll notice that Uncle Ted called it an abomination.
And the Anglican communion agreed.
Here's Justin Welby, the Archbishop of Canterbury, the leader of the rapidly dying Anglican communion, which would include the Episcopal Church of the United States, the State Church of England.
He wrote to the Archbishop of Uganda, Christian brother to Christian brother, to express his, quote, grief and dismay at the Church of Uganda's support for the Anti-Homosexuality Act.
The head of the Church of England was filled with grief at the thought that rape would be banned and the intentional transmission of AIDS, et cetera, et cetera.
But it didn't stop with expressions of grief and condemnation and tweets from Ted Cruz.
No, it got right to the hard stuff, to the things that matter, meaning money and foreign aid.
Here's the World Bank.
Immediately, the World Bank swings into action.
The World Bank announced it would halt lending to Uganda in response to the new law.
No more lending.
No more money for you.
We're cutting you off.
The financial institution noted that the act, quote, fundamentally contradicts the World Bank group's values.
Ooh, what are the World Bank's values?
That'd be interesting to know.
You know, in a single country, contradicting the World Bank's, quote, values would be a sign of virtue, probably.
Probably get a merit badge for that.
But the World Bank was outraged.
They know sin when they see it.
Banning gay rape will tolerate a lot, but not that.
And then finally, Joe Biden in October of 2023, spun fully into a frenzy at this point, watching taking the lead of the World Bank, announced that Uganda would be expelled from the group of sub-Saharan African countries that benefit from tax breaks under the U.S. African Growth and Opportunity Act, AGOA, because of the country's, quote, gross violations of internationally recognized human rights, which violate the AGOA eligibility criteria.
So that was 2023.
So bottom line, no more money for you.
What happened next?
Well, Ugandan starved.
Next year, there was a famine.
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Not to laugh at famine, but it's almost unbelievable.
It's about being forced to say this is an affirmative good.
And if you disagree with that, then you are affirmatively bad and we're going to stoke a famine in your country to punish you.
That's literally where we are.
And some of us should have been paying closer attention as this movement never formally declared, not the gay rights movement, but the terror against anyone who opposes gay rights, whatever those are, worshiping homosexuality.
We should have paid closer attention.
I'm going to refer you to one of the great clips of the entire Biden administration.
When people look back on the Biden administration, there'll be, of course, an endless loop of him falling off his bike or identifying his sister as his wife or clips designed to show how confused and senile this poor guy was.
And those will, in a lot of ways, represent the administration, but it's the moment of clarity, those occasional moments of clarity where Biden was really saying something on purpose because he meant it and he wanted to tell you what was important.
Those are the clips that actually define the four disastrous years of Joe Biden.
And above all, I would argue this clip tells you everything you need to know about the values of the U.S. government, of our popular culture, of the West collectively.
And once we understand the values, we can assess, are those the right values?
And can a civilization continue with those values?
But first, the clip.
Here's Joe Biden describing a trip to downtown Wilmington, Delaware with his dad in 1962.
I remember getting out of a car when I was trying to be dropped off at the local city hall to get a job to be the only white employee in the east side of town, in the neighborhood, in the projects as a lifeguard.
My dad was dropping me off so I could go around the block.
I'd run and get the application.
And two well-dressed men kissed one another as I was opening the door.
And I hadn't seen that before.
And I turned around and one walked off to the DuPont building, one walked off to what used to be called the Hercules Corporation.
And I looked at my dad and he just looked at me and said, it's simple, honey.
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But the main thing to notice is this is 1962 that this supposedly happened in downtown Wilmington, Delaware.
And in 1962, what was the state of America's views about homosexuality?
Not an individual gays.
This has always been a very, very tolerant country for all minority groups, actually, by any global standard.
But the country's official views on like gay sex, for example.
Well, it was a felony in 49 states in the summer of 1962.
The only state in which it was legal, Illinois, had just legalized it several months before.
So having gay sex in the United States when Biden claims this happened was a felony pretty much everywhere.
A felony.
Very few people ever went to jail for it because no one was really interested in enforcing it.
But the laws of the United States mirrored those of pretty much every country in the world from then going back maybe to Athens.
Like people have always been against this.
It's always been officially discouraged by every single society.
The question is why?
That's worth a conversation at some point.
Probably not just random bigotry.
Every society that we know about ever has had an official policy against gay sex or forms of gay sex.
Why?
Again, can you explain it to me without getting hysterical?
Maybe there's a reason there.
Who knows?
But that was the state in the United States in the summer of 1962.
So the idea that Joe Biden's drunk used car salesman dad turned to him, this brutish Irish guy who Biden has described many times and says, honey, honey, it's just love.
It's okay.
It's just love.
Two guys making out outside the DuPont building in downtown Wilmington.
It's such an obvious attempt to graft modern values onto an antique setting that it's so clearly fake that amazingly no one laughed, but no one did laugh because no one was allowed to laugh.
But that's absurd.
Ask anyone who was alive in 1960s.
You just use common sense.
That didn't happen.
But notice how Biden frames it.
He said he was getting dropped off to get a job as the only white man working in the hood, breaking the color barrier.
It wasn't just a summer job.
It was a victory for civil rights.
And he was the kind of guy who would do that because his family had a long commitment to civil rights as evidenced by his father's kind of casual acceptance of homosexuality.
Well, we learned that Biden's, of course, a fabulous.
We knew that.
But in this specific clip, he's lying for a reason to transmit to the nation its essential values.
And at the very top of that list is we are for homosexuality.
That's number one.
It's right up there with civil rights.
People get to vote.
People get to have gay sex.
That's America.
That's our culture.
Okay.
So it probably shouldn't surprise you that the self-reported incidence of homosexuality and its many varieties in the United States rose dramatically during that period.
And here are roughly the numbers.
So about a little over 10 years ago, 2012, among young people in the United States, about 6% said, yeah, I'm not heterosexual.
So that would be in the range that, you know, we've been told for many years was natural, right?
Maybe 10%, a little under 10% of people say they're not heterosexual and whatever, you know, gay, lesbian, transgender, bisexual, whatever, but they're not one man, one woman, monogamy people at all.
So that was the number a little over 10 years ago.
Last year, the number among young people was over 20%.
So a little more than a decade, you have a threefold increase, 300% increase in self-identified non-heterosexual orientation in a little over 10 years.
What are we looking at?
Well, we're looking at demographic collapse, among other things, right?
But what is the phenomenon actually?
Where does this come from?
Or to put it in Ugandan terms, why are you gay?
Well, let's see.
We have been told for the course of my life that you're born gay.
It's like handedness or eye color or height.
It's just something that you're born with.
God created you that way.
You are unique.
Your iris, your fingerprints, your sexuality, they're all unique to you.
And that's something not to be embarrassed of, unless you're a white man, in which case, of course, slink away in shame, be denied admission to college or a job.
But for everyone else, your immutable characteristics are something that you celebrate, that you should be proud of.
They not something that you chose.
They're not something you can change.
And this is the story that all of us have been told.
And most of us, me included, sort of, kind of believe that.
Okay.
And if that's true, of course, you could never, ever show bias against someone on the basis of his immutable characteristics because that's wrong.
It's also unchristian.
And that is true.
It is un-Christian to attack someone on the basis of something with which you was born, of course.
Really, no one has put this in clearer terms than the former mayor of South Bend, Indiana, the former transportation secretary, and as of today, the leading candidate for the Democratic nomination in 2028, Mr. Pete Buddhajudge.
Here he is.
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I can tell you that if me being gay was a choice, it was a choice that was made far, far above my pay grade.
And that's the thing I wish the Mike Pence's of the world would understand.
That if you got a problem with who I am, your problem is not with me.
Why was Pete Buddhajudge dating chicks for the first part of his adult life?
By his own admission, he was dating women, like a bunch of women.
He was openly heterosexual, including in the U.S. military after the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell.
So it was totally legal to be gay in the military, but Pete was still heterosexual.
So the answer I think most people come to is, well, he was just ashamed of being gay.
Like he couldn't be his true self.
He couldn't kind of let it out.
Maybe that's true, though.
Those of us who were living in the United States 10 years ago remember that there was no sanction against being gay.
Tons of gay television filled with gay people.
Those of us who worked in television are gay people, great gay people, actually, just being clear.
Really nice, good people all day long.
There's nothing weird about being gay 10 years ago, 15 years ago, when Pete Buddha Judge was like, I couldn't come to terms with my own sexuality because his parents are so oppressive.
No, they were actually lifestyle liberals.
They're big left-wingers, his parents.
So probably unlikely that his parents are like, don't be gay, son.
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So it's a completely fair question.
You were dating chicks not that long ago, a bunch of them.
And all of a sudden you're getting all self-serious about how God made you this way.
Explain how that works.
It's a totally fair question, especially since Pete Buttajudge's whole identity is wrapped up in being gay.
His whole identity.
It's not like Pete Buttigiege is running for president because he's had such an incredible career as a public servant.
He fixed South Bend, Indiana.
He's still a really good mayor.
Nobody thinks that.
Ask anybody in South Bend.
He was just a really good driver in the U.S. military who's an awesome transportation secretary.
He was a joke as a transportation secretary.
Did air travel get better under Pete Buttigiege?
Did the roads get fixed?
Did anything improve in American transportation during Pete Buddhajudge's tenure as transportation secretary?
And it's like not even worth dredging that up again, except to make the point that being gay isn't just this thing about Pete Buttigiege.
It's the whole point of Pete Buddhajudge.
It is the reason that he has the plurality of support from Democratic primary voters who are not black.
His support among black voters, they're more in the, why are you gay, Camp?
They're not impressed at all.
In fact, I'm trying to do the math here.
I think his support, Pete Buddhajudge's current support among African-American Democratic primary voters is, let's see, around zero.
So 0% in that range, meaning nobody, like no black people.
They're not going for it.
Why are you gay?
You can almost hear them saying that.
But among white liberals, Pete Buddhajudge's gayness, the fact he's married to a dude called Chason and has somehow acquired babies somehow.
How do you get babies?
Just sort of buy them somewhere, whatever.
He has these babies.
And he is the model of whatever, a modern gay man.
That's the whole point.
He is a civil rights hero because of who he sleeps with.
Pretty amazing.
So two, two obvious points to make about that.
First, do you remember when they used to tell us, we don't care what happens in your bedroom?
Do you remember that?
We want to keep politics out of the bedroom.
We want to keep politicians out of your bedroom.
This was a way to justify the Holocaust of abortion, of course, but the line sounded kind of appealing.
Yeah, politicians probably stayed in my bedroom.
That seems fair.
Now your bedroom is the whole point.
You've got politicians running on what they do in their bedroom.
And on the Democratic side, succeeding.
Because that leads very obviously to the second point, which is there are a lot of rewards in store for someone in the Democratic Party, an ambitious politician, someone who really only cares about the goal, which in Pete Budijudge's case has always been becoming president.
Is it bad to come out of the closet and announce that you're gay?
No, no, no.
That's like the only way you're going to get to the White House.
So given that that's obviously true, and given that this guy dated girls as an adult, it's totally fair to ask the question, why are you gay?
Like, what is this?
Starting to think that maybe it's not genetic or entirely genetic.
And if it is, show me the gene.
We've decoded the human genome.
We can tell you where the gene for eye color comes from.
Where's the gay gene?
Maybe there is a gay gene, by the way.
Lots of things we haven't decoded yet.
Maybe it's there.
Are you looking for it?
Are you trying to answer this question?
No.
The whole game is to make you be quiet, ashamed, because it has something to do with sex.
And what are you a creep?
Focus on sex?
You're obsessed with gay sex.
Sort of a variety.
You're obsessed with Israel.
Actually not.
But you're way up in my face about it.
And so I think it's fair to ask you a couple of very simple, straightforward questions, foundational questions, like what is this?
Where does it come from?
Why is it good?
Why is being gay better than not being gay?
And if it's not 100% genetic, clearly isn't.
If you've had a 300% increase in 10 years, probably not genetic.
Unless our genetics are changing at lightning speed, unless evolution is a much faster process than Darwin ever reckoned.
If it's not entirely genetic, then what are the other factors?
And since apart from moral concerns or the concerns of human happiness, does this actually make you happy?
And what does it mean to live as a gay person in the United States?
What exactly does that look like?
Like, what's your life like?
How many people do you have sex with?
How are those unfair questions?
Since you're the one throwing it in my face and telling me I'm not allowed to be against it, maybe I'm allowed to ask the questions I don't really want to ask, don't really want to know the answers to.
But since you've made it the North Star of our moral system in the United States, since you're willing to starve an African country because they disagree with it, maybe it's time for me to ask those questions because you push me to.
On this and a lot of other issues, if you just back off a little bit, if we could just return to the status quo of, say, 1985, where yeah, they're gay people, they're great.
They're off, you know, whatever.
They're here, they're there, whatever, but they're not pushing gay sex on my kids in school.
That's clearly not a good idea.
Tell me why it is a good idea.
And of course, it's a crime to intentionally infect someone with an infectious disease.
And of course, it's in fact the hallmark of civilization to make rape illegal, gay or straight.
Since you did all of that, how about we just slowly in a non-hysterical, obviously non-hateful way, ask, what are we looking at?
Why are you gay?
Why is that a good thing?
What is it exactly?
And there are a lot of people we could ask about this, but we thought, believe it or not, the most articulate person we know to answer these questions is Milo Yiannopoulos, who was very famous 10 years ago as a, what was he called, conservative provocateur, running around the country, making the case against liberals as an open, in fact, flamboyant gay man.
And that was part of the shtick, right?
It's like, we've got a gay guy too.
What are you going to say now?
You know, we've got black conservatives too.
You can't call us racist.
We've got a gay conservative.
You can't call us homophobes.
And so Milo was unleashed on the world.
And then in literally one day, he was canceled, really destroyed as a person in a sort of non-scandal that, like so many of that period and of this period, took him right off the stage.
You never heard from him again.
But during the period when he was flitting around America on his dangerous faggot tour, spreading whatever it was, libertarian economics or something to the kids, it became obvious that this guy was actually really smart.
You know, even for those of us who were never that interested in the dangerous faggot part of it, if you listen, you thought, well, this guy's not dumb at all.
He's actually very thoughtful, very thoughtful, high IQ guy who thinks about things.
So over the last couple of years, during text conversations, I became aware that Milo had decided that he didn't want to be gay anymore.
That's kind of interesting.
I didn't know you could decide you didn't want to be gay.
And then you read about it.
And it turns out there's a whole industry movement and laws designed to prevent you from deciding not to be gay.
Parts of the United States have banned conversion therapies.
You're not allowed to talk to a psychiatrist about not having same-sex attraction.
Wow.
What is that?
Like once you're in, you can't get out.
It's like mandatory gayness.
What the hell are we looking at?
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And so it seemed worth a sit-down conversation with Milo Yiannopoulos and to ask him sincere questions like, what is this?
Why did you decide to change?
What's it like changing?
What does it mean to be gay in the United States specifically?
And so that conversation follows, and we hope you enjoy it.
Well, sort of and personal, but you know, it's occurred to me, particularly when I have interviewed Republican politicians, particularly neocons over the years.
Homosexuality comes out, I've always wanted to say in a Ugandan accent.
And with the collapse in people identifying as trans, you're beginning to now see what some of us have always known about homosexuality, which is that this is a product.
I mean, there are some people, obviously, who were probably always going to be gay.
Tammy Bruce.
But, you know, like maybe she might be the only real lesbian.
She might be the only real lesbian.
I believe when Tammy Bruce tells me that she was only ever into women, I believe her.
And I like her, by the way.
I think she's great.
But she's like the only real lesbian.
With gay men, which is completely different, we see the numbers go up, the numbers go down.
This is not without some change in environmental factors, this doesn't make sense if we believe the old lie born this way.
If we believe what was in fact invented in the 1980s as a public relations strategy born this way.
So what happened back in the days?
Gays were in the 80s and with AIDS and all the rest of it wanting to be out and proud and to wear their sins on their sleeves.
And somebody came up with this idea, which caught on and worked.
And it was twofold.
One is, well, what if we say that being gay is like being black or being a woman?
And so it takes the religious, the moral majority's sinful lifestyle choice argument and it screws them because now they're saying like, you're wrong to be a girl or you're wrong to be a girl.
It was invented wholesale by the activists in the 1980s.
And the second part of it was, and this is in a book called After the Ball, which is kind of defined how gay activists were going to, Well, it really was very influential because it was really the book that told gay activists how to get this revolting sin that most people don't even want to think about up front and center, family friendly, and ultimately to the state where we let them adopt children, which is a whole thing we'll get into.
And you need moms with gay sons to affirm their homosexuality.
And so what is that homosexuality?
Long answer for a short question, I understand.
In almost every case, and in certainly in every male case, it is a trauma response.
It is not a sexuality.
It is not part of what you are or who you are or a component of your personality or a function of.
It is a set of behaviors that emerges in people with a number of very easily identifiable common etiologies.
One of them is, well, so for instance, among gay, excuse me, among black and Jewish Americans, they report statistically significantly higher rates of homosexuality.
Why could that be?
Overbearing moms and absent dads, or in the Jewish case, nebbish fathers.
And, you know, like Jewish, my Jewish friends, I always call their marriages are like lion taming, you know, where you have a sort of nebbish, scholarly, bookish dad and a larger-than-life mom who, you know, one day decides she's going to be a rabbi.
But, you know, that, or in the black community, of course, it's the fatherlessness.
And it's why, why, if you're born this way, if you don't have some other better explanation, could it be the case that there are more gays among black and Jewish populations?
Well, something's going on here.
Why are we getting more trans and more gays and then less gays?
Well, this was Freud's position, which was kind of conventional wisdom for the better part of 100 years, that this was a response to the environment and particularly to the relationship with the mother that a young boy has and a relationship with his father.
I mean, this was, this was like people just assumed that was true when I was a kid.
They were not gay haters or homophobes.
That just, that was a state of knowledge on the subject.
And it's funny that, you know, the way that that's actually in line with Catholic Church teaching and now has become, now you see the terminology in the medical industry has begun to change as well because, you know, now gay people are sort of saturated everywhere.
You know, like when you get a, it's kind of like America, you get a whole country full of people who are very similar, but all think they're really, really individual.
You remind me of a line from Black Adder sometimes, you know, because you have this sort of like lovely kind of like ingenue kind of thing that you do.
And it's like, well, no, I've just, I don't know anything.
But do you remember that line from Black Adder, like slumbering altrogenarians who claim never to have heard of the Beatles?
They won't go along with a lot of this stuff like, you know, the proposition, whatever, in California, gay marriage.
Why?
It's black women who are like holding on the fall.
That's all of Candace Owens so much.
You're like, the ungovernability of black women is the only thing that might possibly save America, you know, as embodied in our friend Candace, who is just like, you know, she's ungovernable in the best possible way.
And Candace is a very beautiful, polished, you know, intelligent Sort of microcosm of a trend that you see everywhere in black America now, which is like, ain't doing that, ain't doing that, definitely ain't doing that.
They kind of intuit what white people I think have forgotten because we're just also like bomb boats and weakened, demoralized, and like kind of overburdened with this nonsense.
The truth is that homosexuality and in particular conversion therapy is the first thing upon which the liberals tried what they later did to Trump, which is just this wall of fake news, misinformation, propaganda.
It's the first time, I mean, there's other examples around wars and things like that, but when it comes to social issues, it's the first time I think the press just says, oh, hell no.
Well, except they didn't do that because they're white, but you know, they said sometimes I lose the characters, get confused.
I'm going to put Rwanda away.
No, so the first time that the media decides this is a social issue we care about enough because we don't lose our gay friends, that we're going to just lie and demonize and give the full fake news treatment that we later saw in its most sophisticated form leveraged, praise God unsuccessfully against Trump again and again and again, right?
So they start off with this, with this, you know, you were born this way, Heini, you are born this way, Heini, you are beautiful, whatever you are.
No, you're like that because you got raped by a priest, or you're like that because your mom was overbearing and your dad wasn't around, or you're like that because you failed to form a platonic, stable attachments to other men as a child.
For some reason, maybe you didn't have a good male role model or whatever.
But there is a relatively small number of identifiable and repeated etiologies that mark somebody out as being, you know, vulnerable to this.
And you look into the histories of gay people, they will all deny it.
I'm saying, oh, that's just me.
But it's not.
And they know, they know, because I knew and they know, and I talk to them privately when there's no cameras that I could squeeze it out of them.
Eventually that you get there.
Yes, there's something about their sexual activity they know isn't right.
And it's not just in the technical sense that the sex is sterile and therefore can never be part of the holy sacrament of marriage because it can't be co-procreation with God, right?
Yes.
Co-procreation with God, meaning, you know, you make a physical body with your wife, but then God puts a soul in.
And that's why it's the most precious sacrament because, you know, you do the others, you do your confirmation, the rest of it, but it's leading up to you getting to make something with God, right?
Which is the real reason that Lucifer is so mad and because the angels can't do that, right?
The angels don't get to participate in creation with our Lord, but every single human being does.
This is going to sound completely pathetic, but I have some kind of pathetic simulacrum of it.
Now I've become a cat dad, just in the terms of like caring for something helpless.
And it's bringing out of me something that I know is going to lead to fatherhood because I'm responsible for this being that loves and laughs and they do, you know, and requires regular, not just maintenance, but affection and to be tended to and loved.
Like I love dogs.
I'm like, I used to be more of a dog guy, but I live in a house on the National Register of Historic Places, so I can't have dogs.
And I got a cat one day, you know, just because just because somebody found it in an engine, I was like, I'm so alone.
So, you know, I said, sure, I'll give it a, give it, give it a, give it a, give it a damn kitten.
And at that point, I wasn't sure I was going to drown it, wear it, or, nurture it.
Um, but, but I was just like, oh, okay.
And being responsible for shaping the personality, which anybody who has animals who loves animals knows that is 100% real.
Responsible shaping the personality, nurturing that being into either being a parent itself or just into being a companion or to being the best that it can be, right?
It's bringing something out in me, you know, that wasn't present when I was having a lot of what most people would regard as, well, what homosexuals would regard as very desirable kind of sex, you know, with a particular kind of person or whatever.
So this, you get to the base of it and you get to the heart of it if you're sort of one-on-one with the gay, but they will, they won't just talk about the emptiness of their life or the fact that the sex is sterile or whatever.
They will know that there's something not quite right.
And it's all that you can, you, you got to get it out because if you don't do a line or have a smoke or do something, if you don't, if you don't get it out, it's just going to be all that you can think about for the rest of the day.
It's just driving you crazy because it floods your mind.
I realized that when I was on a plane, I'm sitting down, hey, Team 1A, I'm sitting on the plane.
I'm like, yeah, I'll have a gentleman girl.
And then, you know, like a basketball player, well, not basketball player or gay nerds, but like a football player would sit next to me.
Like it would take hold of me.
There were times I had to like go to the bathroom and like, you know, because I, because I had to get rid of it because it was, it was taking hold of my mind.
So I don't do cocaine anymore, but I, you know, it'll shock people to learn I used to be a bit of a cokehead.
You know, when I was, you know, that rush of dopamine, the rituals associated with it as well, you know, I was like, oh my God, that's, that's how I feel about sex.
But it is the only human right people still care about.
Oh, I'm your right to be sodomized, your right to wake up in the morning and you're like, oh, okay, you're ready to go and hear that voice in your mind.
And it's not a sultry voice.
It's not a sexy voice.
It's go and get it.
It's, you know, it's like it's, it's, it's Gorgoroth.
Anyway, sorry, I'm interrupting you, but that's dark.
But first, let me ask you about your own life because you never get to ask, you know, everyone's telling you how proud they are to be gay, and that's great.
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And all that, but to sin, by the way, pride is a sin.
There are things about like maybe Alex Jones that remind me of him a little bit, just in that kind of like, just in manner, you know, like a bit of a bruiser, but with a heart, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like he's a bad guy with a heart of gold.
It reminds me a little bit of the good bits of my dad, right?
But there was another section which Alex does not have, which, which, which was that, you know, he was a bad guy and I saw him do really bad things to people.
I would come down.
I told this story before, but I would come down sometimes.
The kitchen door would be closed and I would hear, you know, Nikki, Nikki, I'm giving up a life of crime.
I'm turning over a new leaf.
I'm not going to do anything that's going to give me any more than 18 months.
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You know, it's funny, but it's all about goals, Milo.
But he was a bad guy and I saw him do things that really frightened me.
And, you know, he was in pubs and nightclubs in a, you know, running the clubs and the security and sort of like, you know, he's gone now, so I can say it, laundering millions.
So he used to let me sit in the booth and like do the stamps and I would watch people go in and I'd watch the behaviors of like low socioeconomic white working class like in their 20s, just you know, just drinking, effing, you know.
And then I saw some of the things my dad did.
And they would start with that joke.
They'd start with that very charming joke.
They'd start with that alluring joke.
And my dad had like a degree in, my dad had a master's in fine art.
He was a great sculptor and painter.
But that, but that was the charming bit of him.
The dark bit was, you know, like he would say to people, can I use bad language on the show?
And then my mother left him and married a new guy.
And he was very like, sort of a nice guy now, but he would go through all my stuff.
Like, if I had papers, you know, if I was reading something for school or whatever, he would, like, when I was out, go through every page and just sort of leave it like this.
Just that I knew that he'd been in there, you know, and that kind of like invasive, like, like, just horrifying, like, it was just for a very sensitive, autistic child like me.
Um, you know, I'm already on my way then, you know, having a much larger than life grandmother who was like, you know, egging this stuff on.
And by this time, I had had some interactions, sexual interactions with a Roman Catholic priest who's dead now, has been dead for a long time, but that had obviously, you know, that fed into it as well.
And then I cast my, see, if you let me get to it, then I cast my mind back to a lovely old rich man in a frock, Father Michael.
And I, you know, and I, yeah, and I, and I, who had not been like that with me.
And one of the things that got me into trouble 10 years ago was when I said I felt like the kind of the aggressor in that situation.
I didn't know what bad stuff it had done to me.
And at the time, I didn't.
You know, I made a couple of jokes that got GOP Inc. hot and bothered because they're all faggots.
They weren't happy about some of the truths that we're talking about today kind of toppling out, you know.
And so these things combined the having what I perceived to be at that time, I perceived as a child to be consensual sexual experiences with an older man who was a kindly sweetheart.
You know, he was, I think of him now as a harmless old queen, you know.
And not necessarily have to go on live international television and apologize for it like I did, but I'm not better.
Fortunately, I carved out a much, I have a new kind of career and a new life now that I much prefer more satisfying, lucrative, blah, blah, blah.
We'll do it later.
So I haven't gone crazy like so many of my friends.
And it's funny watching them because I see some of the in the way that their personalities have become kind of empty and sharded and become filled with wickedness.
There's such a long, there's such a long relationship, a long, happy marriage between conservative politics and homosexuality.
And it's easy to joke about it and say, oh, it's, you know, all of the bells and smells and frocks of the religious dimension to it all, or it's the pomp and circumstance of power.
It's not that you can turn a person into a frog or you can make yourself look more beautiful or you can, whatever.
What's the worst thing about magic?
Is that it robs others of agency, that you can make them do things they don't want to do.
The worst and most sinister bit of magic is that you can trick someone or compel someone against their will to fall in love with you or to or to throw themselves off a cliff.
The most frightening thing about magic is its ability to compel the wills of others.
And that's what I think homosexuals are seeking when they, because they feel so powerless in their own lives and have this understanding that they are broken people without agency over their own sex lives, over their bodies, over that down there.
Like, I don't even have control over me, but I'm damn well going to have control over you.
And so, if you, if you dovetail that in with the, I know you're telling the truth here, I don't fully understand what you're saying, but I, it comports with a lot of what I've seen.
I feel as though if you are a person who intuits that you have a lack of control, of power, of, of agency over your own drives, your own desires, your, your own urges, and even your biological, anatomical, uh, your, your physical responses.
And being sucked into the nexus of intersectional, blah, you might, you're going to be tempted by explicit magic as well as the implicit magic of whatever.
And so, you know, dovetail that with right-wing authoritarianism.
And I have to say, I'm sorry to say it.
I must say it some dimensions in some respects.
I can see that that might be something that attracts homosexuals to the Catholic Church, for instance.
I'm happy to talk about the Catholic element of it.
I mean, the bishops are all faggots.
I mean, they're all whoopsies.
They're all gays.
I like that one.
It contains within it a kernel of the sort of slapstick that I think we have to.
One of the ways I got myself off it was Imagining myself in that situation as ridiculous, like I can't even perceive that I would do something so ridiculous.
Like laughing at it became because you know, I laughed as the death of arousal, right?
I read this, some I read that, or I or something like that went off from the bottom of the.
Anyone who's never been laughed at naked can tell you that, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, never have, but um, uh, uh, I haven't either, um, no, but but I mean, you know, like uh, it's a favorite, famous like British, uh, particularly a British like injunction, you know, that laughter is the death of arousal or whatever.
Um, uh, and and I just thought, okay, well, how about if I start thinking about it as ridiculous?
I mean, he's even got the fat friend, it's his daughter.
Um, you know, like he even bread, he even bred the fat best friend, you know, like is there, is there a is there a more ostentatious like fag hag in America than Megan McCain?
I, you know, she hates herself, she's fat, she's crazy, she's every gay man's dream.
Uh, you know, she can't dress.
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Um, uh, you know, she, she's, she's, why is that every gay man's dream?
Uh, you imagine like, um, imagine like a female like Lutheran pastor or a or or a female Jewish rabbi, and they're this like, you know, hey, it's great to grieve.
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You know, like that's for a TV show, but but you know, you know, one of those, right?
This is horrible, overbearing monstrousness that on some level the homosexual knows is what's made him like this because you know dad wasn't around, so mom did it, right?
This is what, by the way, this is why trans was so popular because it got parents off the hook.
If you've got a gay kid, you know, you did something, but if your kid has a disease and was born into the wrong body, well, that's not your fault, is it?
And you get all this sympathy, and oh, all your friends were like, Oh, did you got a trans kid?
How tough are you?
No, you got a faggot because you raise a faggot because you're a terrible parent.
Uh, you know, that's what's really going on.
They want to avoid that, so instead, no, I'm going to chop its ding-dong off and say it's got a disease.
Like, that's why it was so popular with single moms.
That's why that's why trans was so popular with single moms.
Um, because it got them off the hook, it means they didn't turn their son gay when they know they did, they know they did, they know they did, and the sons know they did.
And the sons grow up being cruel to women because of what mom did to them.
But it's a toxicity, it's a it's a codependent relationship that they know is they can't so sometimes they can't visit this cruelty on their mom because they have this close relationship with their mom, but they do it on other women.
It's Mr. It's redirected, right?
It's uh transferred onto other onto other women because they love a mommy.
Like, why would I do that?
My mom, but on some level, they know that she did that.
She did that.
So, so They force women into ever more uncomfortable and ever uglier outfits and throw them down runways on you know in 10-inch heels.
It's a lovely movie about a char lady, a housekeeper, housekeeper, yes, to American.
How do you know char woman?
And you've never seen Mrs. Arris goes to Paris, who dreams of one day owning a couture Dior dress, like the person she works for, right?
And she saves up and she saves up, and there's calamities with her money and some boyfriend, whatever.
And eventually she manages to go to Paris and she manages to get the dress, right?
And when society was properly ordered, there were these aspirational beauty standards and these aspirational lifestyle goals included gorgeous tailoring and beautiful silhouettes for women that accentuated their course characteristics.
Gay men turning women into the demons they see themselves as.
You see, gay, look at, look at the most, it was the most celebrated woman on the stage at the moment is the Gorgon opposite Ariana Grande, whose name I forget now.
You know, this Nosferatu, like black Nosferatu, who seems to be sucking the life force out of poor Ariana, who's, I think, going to die within the next few weeks.
If you've seen that singer's physique lately, she's sort of, but this appalling apparition, Cynthia, or something, I think.
Of course, she's called Cynthia.
You know, with these, with these claws, you know, and you look at the silhouette and you're like, that's literally Nosferatu.
It's literally Nosferatu.
And I know a gay man did that.
And of course, the gay man then put her on stage in Jesus Christ Superstar as Our Lord.
Because a lot of free thinking, and I was related to one of them, and I spent a lot of time in my house, lived under my house when I was a kid, and gay died of AIDS, you know, but and had a lot of problems.
But in some, but I will say creative free thinking, like truly free thinking, but this is Gorvid Doll, which is like the archetype.
Just like the white women of folklore who are responsible for all evils, but they become like turbocharged Karens, you know?
And it's the white women who welcome in the white single moms typically, but single moms generally, I think, who bring in a drag queen story hour because there's no gay people like banging down the door.
There's no gay people like can I come read your kids?
Do you mind?
Can I come read stories to your kids?
Like, no, they're not.
They're not.
But there are demons out there who will come do it if you invite them.
Because what do you have to do with demons?
Open a portal, open a doorway, you know?
So these women open the doorway and in comes, you know, three little pigs.
But the gays now have taken this role.
They've taken the mantle over from, you know, what we used to, I mean, we used to say, didn't we?
We used to say white single moms are the root of all evil.
Like as, you know, kind of half joking because of all this crazy stuff they support.
But now it's homosexuals.
I have to be honest with you.
I bear some responsibility for this because it was me 10 years ago mainstreaming homosexuality in the Republican Party is the great regret of my life.
More so than anything I've done to my own soul, which is a lot.
It's the great regret of my life because it has given rise to horrors I never imagined.
Let me say Lennon said, you know, all revolutionaries come to hate their children, you know, while the gay horrors that I've given birth to, Lady Marga, Nick Fuentes, I mean, they keep me up at night.
This Milo guy, he's resigning from Breitbart or something.
And he says, I'm getting letters from people who say, you make it okay that I have a gay son because if he grows up, he doesn't have to be like Ross Matthews.
And I was like, no, they should be like Ross Matthews.
They should be like Ross Matthews.
They shouldn't be like Dave Rubin, like you might not even know unless you watched him for a little bit.
Because this domesticity of homosexuals has killed all the things that were good about gays that made them like tolerable.
And instead has given them this grotesque parody, this simulacrum of domesticity, which has, of course, in their never-ending hunger, expanded to include babies.
And now we have the Buttigig couple buying black children.
Oh, because it's family, you see, because it's the sleight of hand that's going on is they're like, well, gays are just like everybody else.
So we should behave like everybody else, which means we should have kids.
And if we can't physically have kids because our sex is this like demonic, sterile horror show, then we'll buy them and then we'll look like we've got it.
I mean, that's how bad it is.
That's how bad it is.
And so you have the I love, I don't know if it says anything about Republicans versus Democrats, but you have like Dave Rubin, who for whom buying a child is not good enough, it must be his own, you know, like like the conceit of that.
So on the right, you've got this sort of techno-conceit Franken baby.
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And on the left, they adopt blacks.
You know, you've got these two wispy, wiry faggots who adopted two black babies.
Like, you can barely find a woman who hasn't played around with a woman.
Queen Victoria didn't believe that this was sex or that two women would do that with one another, and she refused to accept that women even did that very wisely, realizing that lesbianism wasn't real.
And so lesbianism wasn't illegal in Britain for a long time when male homosexuality was.
But female sexuality is known in the studies to be far more malleable.
Women go backwards and forwards to men all the time.
And lesbianism is like a is a social and political decision.
It's a series of social and political decisions.
I mean, women want companionship, they want stability, they want safety.
They can find that in a woman, you know, like you can find that in a butch dyke just as easily as you can find it in an American man these days.
I haven't said anything about it for like 30 years because of my just general Anglo-commitment to not get involved in other people's business, but it's so noticeable.
I just don't know what I clearly there's something going on here.
But in this case, the Buttijija, I find him fascinating because he's he's misjudged, but only slightly what would be required to be the perfect presidential candidate, like in 2028, 2024, right?
And he starts off and he's got girlfriends, he's in the military.
I mean, like, if you want to, they say that ex-gays often go for like Near Eastern women because they're not sexually demanding and they look like boys from behind, you know, like some Malaysian girls, you know, when they come to have wives.
But isn't Chason kind of like the closest thing you can get to a girl?
Closest, you know, sort of if you need a simulacrum of a woman, you know, flip him over, it could be a girl, you know.
Not in the kind of like, so so there's whereas Pete has that kind of fake radio voice, like yeah, So, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, so, so you know, um, and it is a fake voice because you can get you can find recordings of him earlier, and he's got more into it the more gay his life has become.
Uh, he's not gay, but he's performing homosexuality because, and including having the sex, you know, uh, but probably not a lot of it.
I mean, you don't imagine them, you know.
Well, I don't want you to imagine anything because I don't wish to leave a pleasant taste in your mouth like that.
But, but I'll suggest to your viewers that it's not a particularly sexually active couple, which might also explain how it's possible for somebody to do that, right?
In the same way that a DL gay guy wouldn't be a particularly sexual husband, right?
I mean, I think you get that sort of elderly antiques dealer in Kentucky kind of, you know, you get the you get so good, you know, we have a senator like that, um, uh, who, you know, I think if he if he found a husband who was prepared to put up with um, I really shouldn't, I really shouldn't, but look up the ladybugs, uh, look up, look up his ladybugs.
Well, I think people know the one I mean, uh, the actual one from Kentucky, no, no, no, um, um, a little bit over, uh, you know, you know, you can imagine he sort of uh invites his friend uh Jasper in for a mint julep, uh, you know, you know, and it's like, do you want to just sit there while I get myself uh dusted up?
You know, like, um, yes, of course, there are loads, loads, but I'm thinking of the one in particular that everybody kind of um, he says you don't out people, so I feel like no, sorry, sorry, sorry, I'm not gonna mention O'Connell's name, um, but it was Lindsey Graham.
But, but, uh, um, uh, no, I don't uh, it's a shame, isn't it?
This, the, the falling over, the, the, the, like, how long are you going to stagger on?
They're determined to turn themselves into the goblins that dictate their behavior.
The sassy, vindictive, catty cruelty of the homosexual.
Imagine what he'd be like if you gave him a nuclear button, right?
Sounds stupid, but it's a continuum.
It's a spectrum, right?
And so those gays that have the will to power, they go get some and they use it to bomb people or to bully or to I mean, how much must they all get off on the fact that they are all having sex and nobody would dare touch it.
Nobody nobody outs them.
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Nobody says a thing.
And they're all living lies to their consideration.
And I realized he always wants a bigger laugh than the joke he tells commands.
And it's because he's actually obese, but in the body of a merely fat person.
Like, if you think of him as like 400 pounds, he suddenly makes sense because he's always doing this, you know?
And you're like, oh, you're a fat person.
You're a giant fat person.
So he's like a really fat gay in the body of like a merely slightly overweight gay.
And suddenly his personality begins to make sense.
He does all these like fat, you know, like he's got these like fat ticks that fat people do to like get a bigger laugh than their wit would normally allow for, you know?
This is why living on the DL in marriage with a woman is the optimum environment for a homosexual because all of the social cues are pushing them to do what they know that they should be doing anyway,
which is working on eradicating these disordered urges as the religious religious ex-gays would put it or unwanted same-sex attraction as the reparative therapists would have it.
Whatever it is, all of the cues and the pressure is moving them in the right way.
And so, no, I mean, Alan Turing, for God's sake, you know, is living like that.
Alan Turing, you know, the he was living like that.
And they castrated him anyway, which seems a bit mean to me after the war, after he'd, after he'd won the war for them, it's like, okay, that's all brilliant, but we're going to chemically castrate.
Seemed a bit gratuitous to me.
It's like, oh, I was like, oh, God.
Let him crack one out after he won the bloody war for you.
Maybe it's the Atlantic or Mother Jones, well, of all places, you know, some left-wing gay guy who just wrote about this really beautifully.
I'll try to find it in Twitter after this.
But he said, when homosexuals are young, they realize they have to put on different faces for different people.
I guess the racial equivalent would be code switching, right?
Yeah.
And the effect of this on a person who has disordered urges, unlike someone who just happens to be black, is that it begins to like create cracks and ultimately that turn into like shards in the personality, like bits of the personality, like burst ping off like a chandelier that fills the floor.
And it produces the space for profound denial of the type that most homosexual men find themselves in, where that flooding of addictive urge is mistaken for healthy and normal sexual attraction.
And so I kind of stumbled when I when I looked into I just woke up one day and I was like, and I was married to a dude, to my shame, and I, who's now like the ex-wife from hell, my God.
You know, look, if there's no other reason to like not be gay, just imagine like how bad a black homosexual ex-wife is.
And the way that I started to address this, I kind of stumbled upon a crude version of what the enlightened, like, they don't call it conversion therapy anymore, they call it reintegrative therapy because it's reintegrating those shards and those broken bits of like memory that lead to the wrong output.
We can talk about it in detail if you want to, but I stumbled upon kind of like a crude version of that.
So when I was trying to stop myself from doing this stuff, I was using like hot oil on my thighs.
I was like doing things, you know, like, like that hurt.
And I was trying to rewire my brain.
Because I read a lot of, you know, psychology and anthropology books and stuff like that.
And the good thing about the male libido is the less you have, the less you want, which married men can tell you is the only reason they're still married.
I'm sure I'll be mocked for this, but I did wonder like if it's because you get there's something wrong with the act itself if you're doing that many people, right?
If good-looking women wanted to, this is my younger self thinking of this.
If they wanted to sleep with me as much as I want to sleep with them, I still don't think I'd sleep with 75 of them in a year because that sounds kind of gross.
I mean, it doesn't fully explain the grotesque extent.
And by the way, it's always the gay couples that are basically lesbians that live sterile, like they live these sexless lives who are incensed when you dare to talk about gay promiscuity.
It's not because gay promiscuity doesn't exist, it's because they don't have access to it.
But most gays do.
And what we are thinking about in our hypothetical example of two men doesn't explain the full grotesque extent of it.
And it's because there is something unsatisfying about gay sex.
And it's so, so Catholic natural law and the way that low therapies work, they start with this presumption that things are working properly when they are performing the function for which they were designed.
You know, when you see somebody wicked, get the comeuppance and you're like, yeah.
And that feels like a lot of, that feels, it feels a little like, as you say, righteous pleasures, all of which tend toward the kind of satisfaction that you that a lot of people describe getting in Holy Communion, communion.
The further you get away from that, the less satisfying things are by volume, if you like.
That tiny little wafer, which is complete, you feel like you don't need to feel, eat, drink, think, pray anything else the rest of your whole life, you just feel like perfect in that moment.
Like you have, because you are just in that brief moment in dialogue with our Lord in some fashion.
And you're like, that's my Sunday vibes, you know, like whatever it is.
And it's not until Monday morning that life kind of comes back at you.
The further you get away from that, the more stuff you need to approach the same level of satisfaction.
Think about like the fake sugar you have, right?
Over here, the cornstarch, whatever it's called.
How much Hershey's chocolate you have to eat to feel the same as two squares of Capri's.
I mean, by the way, you know, Halloween candy, you can, I don't know, I don't know much about calories, but you could eat like millions of calories, but you can't eat six pounds of steak.
But the point is that not that sugar is bad necessarily, but that this fake sugar that has that waxy taste, you need so much more of it to feel satisfied, to get your sugar here.
And in so doing, you have so many more calories, right?
And you start to get fat.
And then you need not just six Cokes, but eight Cokes a day instead of one.
So homosexual sex is sterile.
It's not capable of leading to production, excuse me, of procreation, right?
You cannot make a baby with gay sex.
It is spiritually unsatisfying in addition to being, and of course, these two things are connected, physically unsatisfying too.
And when you start to think about like Everything working, performing the function for which it was designed, like doing that for which it was intended, you start to realize why gay sex is like is not hitting, you know.
You get like, um, forgive the language, but under every post that I will make online, or every, you know, on the rare occasion, I might say something about this in an interview.
One phrase keeps popping up over and over again in the comments: you can't unsuck a dick.
Meaning, there's no salvation for you once you're gay or gay.
Because we're all kind of like, you know, we see other people who are doing well in life or who have got themselves out of a sticky situation or, you know, who left their phone on the table when they went for the bottom of the break or whatever.
And who and who lash out against others who do seem to be achieving something redemptive?
And isn't it true that one of those characterizations of the demons is that they're, you know, in the presence of the light, in the presence of good, of the word of God, they hiss and spit, right?
And it's not necessarily these people who are gay themselves, but they to confront the horror that a gay person might be able to ungay means that whatever, whatever you've got going in your life, you could fix easy.
But you don't want to, do you?
You don't want to get better.
You don't want to stop.
Because if he can stop having sex with men, knowing what a powerful compulsion urge that is for most men, you know, that might mean I have to stop drinking.
That might mean I have to stop taking drugs.
That might mean I have to stop being a fat ass.
That might mean I have to stop being cruel, being vindictive, abusive, malicious.
And I think that part of it is certainly that we have become a society that encourages vice over virtue, that aggressively pushes sin.
Because dumb, dependent people are easier to control, because dumb, dependent people living paycheck to paycheck, enslaved not only to, and we, and we live in a particularly evil Environment now where we're not just enslaved to things, we're enslaved to the mechanisms by which we get them, compound interest, you know, our car payments, all this kind of stuff.
50-year mortgages.
Yeah, thanks, Trump.
How many years of that are we just paying down the interest before we own a brick in the house?
We're now enslaved to these meta addictions or these additional layers of problem, which mean that we can't even do anything about our lives because one missed paycheck.
We can't do anything about it because we're locked in from every single angle into our addictions, into our compulsions, into the bad food that we eat at the supermarket because it's cheap.
And the TV we watch, we know we shouldn't, and the video games that are fine by themselves, but which, you know, 20 hours over the weekend, like that's a lot, bro.
You know, just all this stuff.
And it's packaged and it's pushed and it's encouraged.
I looked at the sponsors of Jimmy Kimmel's show when he was taken off the air.
And it's Donuts and Banks.
Look at the sponsors of Jimmy Kimmel's show and you're like, oh my God, like, these are evil, wretched, terrible people who just want you fat, stupid, and quiet.
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There's no question in my mind you're telling the truth.
Like our pan-roasted blah, You know, the, the, the, the, they used to call it the pink pound in England.
This disproportionate ability of gays to spend, which has a reinforcing effect.
It's like a, like a, like a, um, uh, I don't know the economic term, but you probably do.
It has like a magnifying or a fortifying effect because, of course, gays spend more, so you market more to gays.
So you get more, you know, so you get more of them.
And then other people begin to acquire gay taste, which has happened to women and is now happening to men because it's seen as a prestige or a luxury or a desirable kind of lifestyle.
So you see men, as the charming ladies of YouTube would tell us, Thagataz, who are acquiring gay habits and get like, I mean, like, soul cycle for it.
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I mean, please, like, what are these people doing?
You wouldn't eat anything because there's nothing for men on the menu because it's all this like airy, fairy, unsatisfying, calorie-rich, full of like, you know, flavor, but no protein.
Food for girls or food for girls.
Look at the menu in your favorite restaurant.
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Look at the menu in every restaurant.
There's no food for men on it.
I mean, like, where is it?
Even like a heroic meat like lamb.
It's like $78 for this little, this little thanks.
That's not the guy that you were with like three days ago.
Quiet girl.
Sorry about her.
You know, like just all that kind of stuff.
And men, just the way in which the self-destructive sacrifice self-sacrifice, the relinquishment of the will to the most addictive version of everything is very gay.
So like if gay sex is like addiction, where it just floods your mind with like the chemicals where you can't get it out of your head, like we were talking about right at the beginning.
Like, doesn't mean every man has to go out looking like he wants to drop on his knees in a public park or in a toilet just because, just because his wife chooses what washing powder they use.
I mean, now we force heterosexuals to listen to Lil Nas X, you know, and this sort of, you know, endless turnover of preening homosexual crooners that we call pop stars.
There aren't any anymore because pop stars require a kind of like heroic manly virtue, I think, that is just gone now.
And it's hardly surprising given that everybody in Congress and everybody in the Senate and everybody in the party and everybody on TV and everybody else that you've ever heard of on television and everybody on all the TV shows are gay.
So when you are, I mean, a lot of this, it's like walking into a room full of women and there's all the stuff going on, but you have no idea what it is.
A daily occurrence for me.
But you know, something's going on, but you don't quite get the right on the wrong frequency.
I mean, I'm sure not all gay people have that thing, but it's just a sign of something that changed.
The biggest thing that changed for me, though, which is not like a big, the biggest thing to me, because I live quite an internal life, you know, like most of my, most of my life is up here, right?
The biggest thing that happened to me is I started caring what happened in stories.
Like spoilers started to bother me.
And I couldn't figure out what that was about.
Like 10 years ago, when a Star Wars movie came out just before Christmas, when no one had had the chance to see it, I tweeted, Han Solo dies.
But I've gone from, I went from somebody who liked Oscar Wilde because I liked the witty lines and the sparkling surface of it to somebody who appreciates instead now, or at least reads it differently now for this, for the subversion, for the little eddies in language he uses, which are meant to show this kind of like disintegrating way of life.
I mean, I know I look and sound like pretty similar, but the way that I, because I have the same sense of humor, like I have some bits of personality that I have, but the way that I acquire information has changed.
Like I, like, I forget the distinctions because it is a load of shit, but, but, you know, like the intuitive to the sensory or whatever, it feels, it feels now like I can, I feel more in tune now.
Like before, there was kind of like a sheet of glass, like some critical ironic distance between me and the world where I didn't really want to engage with it, you know?
And now I'm like, I want to grab the wood.
Sorry, I'll rephrase that.
Now I want to grab a different kind of wood.
No, I want to, I want to like know what it's made of and where it's from and look at it and think about it.
And like, so this is how you ended up, huh?
You know, you know, like, like that, that didn't used to occur to me at all.
Like this, this kind of like, everything's got to be meta, everything's got to be whatever, because I was afraid of engaging with the material critically.
I mean, you know, from having so many successful books, like all the publishing tricks, like, you know, if you, if you, if your manuscript comes in short, you're like, yeah.
You know, we probably both had that happen to us from time to time.
There was this, there was this rumor that I, there was this rumor that I didn't write my books.
It was this team, a fleet of assistants.
And so, the first interview I gave about my book about The Lost Pope, the book had been out two months, and I said, Sounds brilliant.
I can't wait to read it.
But you just, well, you know, when you actually have stuff going on, you're too busy to write it.
And then you write other people's books in the fellow periods.
I had a research assistant, but actually, a very great guy, Alan Buccari, who's now writing a book about Gamergate, the Great Unsolved Untold Story about how Trump happened, which is completely topic for another day.
He's especially, he's especially lovely being jolly.
But I've noticed in him some little changes, some adjustments along these lines since he's had his reckoning and his, you know, I mean, he had to confront something.
Guarantee you, George doesn't die gay because he's going to see his behavior, the Walter Mitty stuff, as being in dialogue with, dependent on, congruent with the other damage.
When you see that kind of civilizational clash, as it seems to me that it is one, I can't help but hope if they're not going to do Obergefoll, that they at least let people get away from being gay.
Because I had to fumble my way with hot oil on a stove and like hurting myself to eventually get to a point where I was not seeing a particular stimulus and automatically having a particular arousal response.
To sit at home and like hurt themselves to get rid of these unwanted, disordered urges that are making them miserable, that are hurting other people, that are hurting them, that are the product of trauma, that are a trauma response.
And we can also agree that all of the Jewish trans doctors need to have their books burned.
But When he wrote about this stuff over decades, had a very tempestuous relationship with the bodies in psychology and all the rest of it and psychiatry.
But he's the person to read if you want to understand how people become gay and how many of them have got out of it.
So his, for me, the most important book is Shame and Attachment Loss.
It's almost funny looking when you see, because sometimes they'll film a session as a demonstration, you know.
But it and it almost looks sort of like something you might see from Ali McBeal, like smile therapy or something, right?
But for a lot of patients, it's showing enormous progress and progress we measure as the amount of arousal, same unwanted same-sex feelings, like are just like, I didn't, wait a minute, did I?
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I don't think I like got the hops for anyone this week.
So people become, people have gay sex urges for a variety of reasons, you know, so that the without getting too specific, you know, the passive partner in a gay encounter is looking to take on some of the masculinity he feels he lacks.
And that's in a literal physical way and in an emotional way too, right?
He's seeking to absorb in some fashion the manliness he feels he doesn't have.
And it's a way of interacting with the kind of men you've never been able to interact with or who've never taken you seriously or that you've always kind of like admired from afar or whatever, because you have had this like jump tracks thing in your brain from neglect or abuse or whatever it is.
And so you seek, you want to be, you want to, you feel like it's like getting charged up.
And this is where the magic comes in again.
This is how magic works, you know, like magic artifacts got like charged up with evil power.
Like that's what, you know, grace doesn't work like that.
You know, God doesn't work that way.
The infinite, limitless generosity and charity and grace of God doesn't work like that.
You don't have to like recharge your reserves.
Another reason gay sex is unfulfilling because it's refilling a battery that's always depleting.
It's like a slow puncture, you know?
And you just top it up.
You can never fill it up.
You can top it up for a moment with an encounter like this.
Those urges in the first place come from a memory or a thought or something that's leading to this arousal, this disordered urge.
And the way to get rid of it feels a little like some people will have heard of maybe CBT, although it's different in some important ways.
The therapy is three-step.
The first thing that you do is you produce that state.
So you think about or you look at something that will take you to the place that would have produced arousal previously.
And then you introduce something unexpected into the brain.
And the idea is that you rewire the brain in its plasticity to expect a different outcome when it has that stimulus in future.
Right.
So the way I did it was to hurt myself.
So if I saw a basketball player, I'm not basketball because we're all gay nerds, like I said, but a football player, like I said, sitting down next to me on a flight or something, I wouldn't get aroused.
Like the blood wouldn't stop flowing.
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I would get like, you know, like that or something, right?
This is that for virtuous ends because it's what works in the brain.
And it very often uses.
So people find this strange, but so Aquinas talks about how grace builds on nature, right?
Thomas Aquinas.
And so there are ways in which our bodies are machines.
They function according to mechanisms and respond to stimulus.
And although there's a spiritual dimension to all of this, the way our brains work, it's trainable.
It's trainable like a dog is trainable.
It's trainable like anything is trainable.
And so the way this therapy looks, and I provided you with a couple of little examples in video so that you can see it yourself afterwards.
The way this therapy looks is first of all, that the original stimulus will be produced.
And then there may be a pattern of like following a pen around or a particular kind of tapping on the knee or something.
It's just intended to be like a neutral, different outcome from that initial response.
So that no longer does the brain go to arousal, but it goes to something else.
And that it's very common.
If you see in PTSD survivors, if you've ever been to the VA, you'll see a lot of like this going on in like the treatment rooms.
And you're like, what the hell is that all?
That's what it is.
They're produced.
They ask them to remember something traumatic from their service.
And then something, it's just kind of a little thing.
And what's going on is the best way I can kind of describe it is it's like when you press control alt-delete and then a couple of other things and the computer reboots without the virus now.
You know, like that's not quite how computers work, but you know, it reboots and you're no longer in that situation.
Again, you can do that with the brain, but it takes not just one reboot, but it takes repeated raising if they call it the schema or the target, the thing that produced that unwanted response.
And then immediately the introduction of an unexpected outcome.
So your brain's like, hang on a second.
This happened.
So I was expecting that.
But then this happened.
And then over time, your brain learns to just do that instead.
And that instead could just be like something, you know, completely anodyne, or it could be like I did, which is a kind of clunking amateur version of it, which was something painful or unpleasant.
And the third step, just do it over and over again.
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And eventually you see people just have less of those desires.
And it works because these homosexual urges are not so totally unlike other forms of trauma, other forms of damage, other forms of deviance.
This same thing, it works on people who are obsessed with rape.
Like a guy who can't get off unless he's thinking about raping a girl.
Now, rape is something that women love to fantasize about, but perhaps don't necessarily enjoy the reality of, even the reality of play of it, right?
It's something women love to think about, but you act that one out without warning.
You're sleeping on the couch for a minimum.
It can help men to enjoy sex lives that don't involve coercion, because they have that sort of thing.
And much of the same technique is used with people who have other kinds of trauma, who have other kinds of trauma responses as a product of bad things that happen to them or as a product of just something going a bit wrong where that track is jumped, you know?
I feel embarrassed and disgusted by the things I did, but I feel ashamed, particularly about 10 years ago, about how many people, I thought I was like laying it on thick with this sort of like Day Medna average kind of hyacinth bouquet performance on stage.
And I realized people weren't picking up the layers maybe.
And every talk I ever gave in the QA, I said, if I, if I could not be gay, I would push that button, you know?
And nobody ever like, that never registered with people.
All that they, why?
I don't know.
All they got was being gay is okay now, being right wing, being gay and right wings okay.
And I know that I pushed that button with the left to annoy them and because it was absurd at that time, but people never got the message when I said, if I could possibly, I never gave a speech in my life where I told people, go be gay.
I said, my first ever appearance on television was with boy George like 20 years ago.
And I said, I feel that something is wrong inside me.
And I didn't have the vocabulary to articulate this.
And he's like, no, honey, you're perfect just the way you are.
I can't tell you why George, but you know, I was like, no, no, I feel that something is wrong in there.
And everybody around the table just left, you know, like thinking like, oh, there's a self-hating homosexual.
Well, I'm not hate.
I wasn't hating myself.
I was hating the things that I was doing because I knew they were hurting me.
And I knew even then, I never gave a speech in my whole life where I say, go beyond.
I think because, I mean, not many of them will articulate it like I do because I am a little bit cuckoo and I don't mind kind of living in public and talking about my feelings.
Like my Twitter is just like this, well, aside from the eight years missing, it's just this like insane stream of consciousness where I'll just say the most like ridiculous, absurd, outrageous things, but it's because people are getting like a tap straight in, you know?
So I'm comfortable living that way and I'm comfortable expressing myself and talking about myself.
And I think now I have a duty.
Now I have a responsibility to others because of because the message didn't land.
Like I was, I was, I was not intending to give birth to this huge generation of gay Republicans who now just, I think it's openly, like openly fine to traffic in babies and to be a gay Republican.
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And I feel a great deal of responsibility for that.