John Rich frames Christian devotion as a battle requiring divine possession, dismissing modern believers’ avoidance of persecution while citing biblical figures like Stephen and Paul. He ties the Hallow app’s Pray 25 Challenge to reclaiming Christmas from secularism and warns that 63 million abortions and a $220 billion child trafficking industry demand urgent action—proposing 20,000 rescuers for $1–2B annually. His new song, The Righteous Hunter, merges faith with armed vigilance against predators, rejecting "rapture" theology as complacent. Rich brands Sean Combs’ influence demonic and praises Tucker Carlson’s endorsement of his shift from music to anti-trafficking activism, urging Christians to embrace suffering as redemptive. [Automatically generated summary]
They are that much of a degenerate now, that much of a reprobate now, that they will carry out that mission.
That's what I'm saying.
Just like on the other side, when you see a real Christian come straight at you with something, like Charlie Kirk, for instance, okay, that's not normal either.
That's outside the capacity of a human being to do what he was doing.
And so if you're possessed by that, it's no longer Tucker making a move or John Rich making a move or whatever.
When you really walk in on something and you claim the Holy Spirit and you claim, you claim what you're promised, the armor of God, for instance, which there's only one offensive weapon in the armor of God.
Everything is defensive.
Oh, by the way, nothing guards your back.
There's nothing in the armor of God that goes on the back.
It's all in the front.
It's the helmet.
It's the shield.
It's the girding of the legs.
It's the shoes.
It's all that.
But the offensive weapon is the sword.
And it says that the sword is the word of God.
That's the word.
That's the scripture.
And that it's sharper than any two-edged sword, dividing even between the spirit and the soul and the joints and the bones.
And that it divides.
And that's another misconception that a lot of Christians have is that Jesus wants everybody to get along.
He did not say that.
Jesus said, I came not to bring peace, but to bring a sword, to divide mother against father, father against son, brother against brother.
Because when the truth really drops, there is no middle anymore.
It's a clean cut and it's this and that.
And that is it.
That is it.
This is all in there, but Christians just can't seem to get their head wrapped around it to a large degree.
And I believe that stems from the churches in general just refuse to go there.
And so if you're a Christian watching this interview and you're starting to get keyed up about what I'm saying, good.
I'm glad you're getting keyed up.
Why don't you pick up the Bible and read exactly what it says without your preacher, without your Bible group, without anybody, and just read what it says.
Read the examples that are laid out by the people God thought the most of.
Go read about Stephen, who was stoned to death in the New Testament as Paul, who was then Saul, is holding the coats of the men who were stoning Stephen to death.
And not long after that, Paul had his road to Damascus event, and then he went on and all these churches popped up and he wrote half the New Testament.
Nobody wants to get stoned to death.
Nobody wants to get shot in the throat with a 30-odd six, do they?
No, we do not want that as human beings.
We do not want that.
But it tells us to go forward, not backward, forward.
We don't retreat from the devil.
He is so weak and his people are so weak in the face of who God really is and who God's real people are.
He has no chance at all to succeed.
The only way he succeeds is that those people won't engage.
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In the New Testament, I think all the disciples are certainly the majority or the ones whose fates we know.
For instance, my two sons, they're 14 and almost 16.
And there is a resurgence of interest and true passion about learning who God is.
What does God want me to do with my life?
Reading their Bibles, having their own Bible studies.
I mean, teenagers having their own Bible studies.
That's happening all over the U.S. right now.
I mean, that's a big deal.
That's a big deal.
And they are very wise for their age because they have been through so many lies and seen the lies debunked and realized, oh, they're not telling me the truth on television.
Oh, they took two years away from us in school and made us all wear masks and told our parents if they didn't get vaccines, that they would lose their jobs.
And so my parents took the vaccine and now one of them's got myocarditis and the other one can't breathe.
Or my parents didn't take the vaccine and they both lost their jobs.
Like they watched the U.S. government brutalize their families and them.
They watched it.
They lived through it and it imprinted on them in a major way.
And so now they're coming out of that and they're starting to get older and they're going to be moving out of the house, this generation I'm talking about.
And they want to know what the real truth is.
They know they've been lied to for pretty much their whole lives and they're sick of it and they want to know what the truth is.
And thank goodness they're realizing the only infallible truth is in the pages of the Bible.
That's it.
Not what the preacher says, not what I say or you say or the president says, ah, what's in this book?
That's really important to know because he says, I am the same yesterday, today, and forever.
My word does not change.
He does not change.
We change, culture changes.
He does not.
So if you look at, for instance, this stat.
So I started working with DHS with their cyber predator sting units.
Okay.
Because I saw a little presentation was done with my wife and my older son with like 30, 30 boys.
And a DHS agent came in.
And he's telling these boys how these predators can get them on their phones, like how they can track them, how they talk to them, how they present themselves as a, I'm a 15-year-old girl.
I'm a cheerleader.
I go to school right down the road from you.
And here's a picture of this pretty girl.
I'll send you a picture of me in a bikini.
You send me a picture, blah, blah, blah.
And they start this whole thing.
And then once they've got them, then they say, yeah, I'm not a 14-year-old girl.
I'm a 55-year-old man in Cleveland, Ohio.
And here's your dad's name, your mom's name.
Here's all your siblings' names.
Here's your home address.
Here's where you go to school.
And if you don't do X, Y, Z, I'm going to show up there tomorrow and kill everybody in your family.
And then the kid is in this position of, what do I do?
What do I do?
And then sometimes they'll go and they're told to meet this guy at a park or meet him at a store or a gas station or whatever.
And you never see him again.
So my wife and son saw this one-hour little seminar from this guy and came home.
And my son pulls his phone out and starts changing the settings on his phone, deleting apps, certain apps that he had gone.
That one's gone.
No, that one's gone because this guy's telling them, get this stuff off your phones.
So I'm like, what in the world did this guy say?
And so my wife starts telling me what all he said.
And I said, my God, that needs to be heard by every parent in America.
I said, what was the agent's name?
And she actually had a business card on this guy.
And so I emailed him and I said, hey, Agent so-and-so, this is John Rich.
You just had this seminar with my wife and son.
And that message needs to be heard by every parent in America.
How can we make that happen?
And he goes, hey, John, nice to meet you.
That's above my pay grade.
I said, well, send me up to somebody that it ain't above their pay grade.
So he goes, okay.
So he sends me to their regional director, a guy named Dennis Fetting, Agent Fetting.
And I told him, I said, you guys are doing a horrible job marketing this message.
I'm glad that you go to the school.
I'm glad that you'll go to the church.
I'm glad that you'll go to the youth group.
That is admirable and great, but you're throwing a snowball at a brick wall.
I said, why don't you work with me and let's put you on live stream live on X and promote it for two or three weeks and do the exact same thing you just did there, but let's do it in front of millions of people.
And today, it's somewhere around 9 million views has been seen now for parents.
And I get it all the time.
Parents hitting me up going, we changed everything on our kids' phones after we saw that.
We made their accounts private.
We got rid of these apps.
We got rid of blah, blah, blah.
Because you would literally do anything as a parent to keep a bad guy, a predator, from coming into your house at night and stealing your kids out of their bedroom, wouldn't you, Tucker?
But they're getting to your kids as you're sitting there watching the news or football, and your kids back there on their iPhone on some app talking to somebody they think is one person, but it's somebody else.
And they're getting them right there inside your house, and you don't even know it.
You're derelict on your duty as the parent because you're just ignorant of the fact that this is what's going on.
So that started me down a road of significance in that sector of educating parents and blowing the whistle on what the bad guys do.
The DHS told me that last year there were 36 million reports that came into them on kids that had been targeted online.
David took his wife after he had him basically murdered.
And Bathsheba got pregnant.
And a prophet came to David and he said, God knows what you've done.
He knows what you've done.
And he sent me to tell you that that child will not be born alive.
He's taking your child from you.
That's your punishment.
And that, and David just went into an absolute tailspin.
I mean, it said, covered himself in sackcloth and ashes, ripped his beard out.
I mean, he was just writhing around in the street as the king of Israel at that point because he realized the immense nature of sin that he had committed.
David is the only man in the Bible that God said is a man after my own heart.
I mean, the greatest compliment you could get from God.
Yes.
But David still did that.
And God brought him low.
He humbled him in a major way.
And so if we look at the history of God and what his MO has always been, when his people refuse to do what he's telling them to do, and they stand back and let the devil just run right over them over and over.
And by doing so, allow tens of millions of kids to be harmed or worse because Christians, God's people, refuse to engage the situation.
I mean, they're just humans, but he gives you, I've said this before.
If God really loves you, he'll only slap your teeth out instead of your brains.
If he really cares about you, you're a dad.
I'm a dad.
If our kids, when they're little, they're playing out in the road, going to baseball around or whatever, and you go out there and boys, you can't be playing in the street.
Come on back in the yard.
Okay, dad.
And the very next day, they're back out in the street throwing the baseball again.
Are you going to have the same demeanor at this time?
Tremendously, many times, because I'm a very stiff-necked, I would say it's a battle for me to sacrifice my self-confidence and arrogance and my alpha male attitude.
That is my biggest thing is I've got to kill it every single day.
Every day, I got to just tie that up in a knot and throw it over my shoulder.
They fail to yield to him, number one, but they even fail to yield to their fellow citizens to say, I am sorry, that was a huge mistake.
And why do they fail to do that?
Because they feel like if I admit that I really made that horrible mistake, they won't re-elect me or I'll lose my job at the big company or whatever it is.
So that is more important to them than owning up to whatever they did that was wrong.
They're only concerned about success, their success.
That's it.
And I'm telling you right now, man, he does not care about your personal success.
He may give you a lot of success, but that's not the point.
And I really think that he gives guys like me success and you success and other people success so that some point, back to your original question, it seems like, John, you've changed gears here.
Yes, I have changed gears here because the fuse is burning down on whatever this situation is going to wind up being.
And I want to be on record that I said true things that are backed up by the word.
I want to write music that backs it up.
I want to do podcasts that people can watch and think about it and go pick it up and read it for themselves.
So we talked about earlier when you pray for things, you have to be specific about what it is you're asking for.
And then he has to give it to you if it serves his will.
Well, I would hope protecting me serves his will.
I hope he wants me around a long time.
There's one verse in Zachariah in the Old Testament, and this prophet, he was being hunted, basically, and like all of them were.
And he asked God for protection.
And God responded to him.
The Lord responded to him and said, I will be a wall of fire around you.
I personally will.
Not I'm going to send down the angels.
I, the creator, will be a wall of fire around you, and they will not be able to get to you.
Granted, Job is another example.
Job had a hedge built around him and his family that God built around him because God loved him and protected him.
And the devil went to God and said, Take that hedge off from around Job, and I bet I can get him to curse you.
Like, this is the devil up there, this Lucifer up there talking to God.
God goes, No, he won't.
He goes, Well, you'll never know because I can't get to him because you built this hedge around him.
I can't get to him.
But if you take it down, he'll curse you.
He will.
He'll turn his back on you and he goes, No, he won't.
He goes, All right, fine.
And so God took the hedge away from Job.
And it says, A storm blew through, killed his entire family, took all of his crops, all of his land, his animals, everything.
And then Job got struck with a disease.
And he went from being a wealthy, successful guy with a nice family and all that to sitting outside the walls of the city covered in sores, scraping himself with pieces of broken pottery, begging for people to give him food.
And his family and friends are walking past him going, Job, just curse God and die.
And Job's response is this: Though he slay me, yet will I trust him.
Though he slay me, yet will I still trust him.
And when he made that statement, God replenished him with everything he had lost, time seven and put the hedge back around him and told the devil, said, I told you so.
So you're changing your orientation away from just amusing people in bars and stadiums to trying to use the authority that you have, you've been given, you've earned, to teach and to shine light on evil and to help the weak.
And Sean Combs standing up there and he's looking into the cameras and he says, I own your kids.
I own their souls.
I determine what they wear.
I determine what they listen to.
He's looking right in the camera saying this, meaning he's looking at me.
And I'm thinking, oh, is that right, Sean Combs?
You own my sons.
You own the souls of my sons.
Really?
And I thought, this guy has no fear whatsoever of a mom or a dad and what they would do to him if he came and tried to take one of their kids.
No understanding whatsoever.
And basically what you're seeing there is a demon-possessed man.
And don't forget this, Tucker.
The devil and his minions are the most arrogant creatures in the universe.
They are so arrogant with their wickedness.
They don't care what you think about it.
I mean, they're just going to say it, right, right to your face.
And so I saw him say that and I went, this guy, music for Sean Combs is like a weapon.
He uses his music to indoctrinate to we talked about music earlier, how it can go in between all the defenses you have.
It can get through your soul and your spirit and all the way down into you and get stuck in your head for the rest of your life.
And he knows that too.
He uses it for wicked purposes.
So it's a weapon for him.
It's something that's his main go-to.
And I was thinking about that and I said, yeah, me too.
Music is my weapon of choice.
And is anybody going to rebut this devil and what he just said about our kids?
Nobody did.
Nobody said boo about it.
Well, there's Sean Combs up there just declaring that he owns the souls of our children in America.
I said, yeah, I don't think so.
And I got really intense with that thought process.
And I thought, there needs to be a song that talks about what a mom or a dad would be willing to do to keep a Sean Combs style person.
And there's millions of them in our country.
As we discussed earlier, there's literally nothing they wouldn't do to protect their kids.
And I really don't think that the people on the other side of the table, the predator class out there, don't really have an understanding of that.
It's almost as if they have no fear of the American parent, of the dad, the regular guy, the guy that keeps to himself, works hard every day, just leave me alone guy.
I think they don't really understand what that person would turn into if you put your hands on one of their kids because they would rip you limb from limb.
They would become the most primal beast you've ever met in your life.
They would lose all inhibition.
You lose.
They win.
All they would care about is that they live long enough to kill you.
Because I promise you, he's a hunter on many levels.
But as a dad, that is the last human being you would want to see coming for you.
The last human being.
And so I asked Sean, I said, I know this is way outside, man, of what you normally do or have ever done, but would you play the dad in this video, The Righteous Hunter?
And I sang The Righteous Hunter on his podcast about two months ago.
And he looked at me and he said, that's going to be the biggest song you have ever put out.
I'm going to make a prediction.
That is going to be the biggest song you've ever put out.
Tears in his eyes, the whole thing.
So I brought my guitar up here because we're not going to show the video on the podcast, but you can get the song.
You can go watch it.
Just look up John Rich, The Righteous Hunter, and you'll find it.
But I brought the old Martin there.
That's actually my son's name, Colt, my younger son, and his birthday, September 29, 2011.
And I memorialize my kids on my guitars.
I love my kids more than life, more than anything.
And there's literally nothing I would not do to protect one of my kids.
And we're going to have to stop running in this country.
We should not have the posture of, oh, I just hope they don't come get my kid.
That's not the posture, man.
The posture is, you come on and try it one time, big boy.
Come on into my yard and try it one time and see how you wind up.
You freak sitting behind your computer acting like you're a kid, entrapping these kids, stealing these kids, pimping them, prostituting them, harvesting their organs, all the horrible demonic stuff you're doing to our kids.
Why don't you step in my yard one time and try it and see what happens to you?
You better give your soul to Jesus while I get my gun Evil runs around this town undercover Looking for a soul to take But they better stay away from the righteous honor, or hell is all they'll pay.
It's just a little weird because if you go online, even in your private conversations, which are not private at all, they're all monitored, as I know you know.
That's a fact, and start talking about overthrowing the government or killing your leaders or whatever.
Boy, they come to your house.
That happens a lot, a lot.
So how are people consuming child exploritation pornography?
How are they engaging this digitally and the government just kind of isn't picking up on it or something?
So the only way I have thought of how to start knocking these numbers back, which by the way, less than 1% of kids that are trafficked and taken are ever returned to their parents.
Less than 1%.
The only way I have determined, and at the end of the video, and I really hope people go look this video up, The Righteous Hunter.
At the end of the video, my friend Tim Tebow saw the video.
Tim's organization, they hire former police, detectives, former military, intelligence people, and they go out and they find these guys and they rescue kids.
That's what they do.
We need, I asked the lady that was at the video shoot, she's overseen 14,000 kids rescued in 21 years.
And I asked Brooke, I said, so how many people would we need in America working full-time doing the job that you do or that Tim Tebow does and others to get this number from 1% are returned to 50% are returned?
She said, probably 20,000, somewhere in that range.
They would be hiding under the rocks and in the caves.
They would be hiding because there would be an army of people tracking them, hunting them.
The predator becomes hunted.
She said, it would take that.
So I wonder why I can't go to Congress and lay these facts and figures out while we have this current administration and say, I want $2 billion peeled off of some bullshit project you guys are working on.
And I want 20,000, 40,000 soldiers on the ground, American citizens with expertise to go drain this situation and incarcerate as many of them as you can and save the American child.
I often think if you were buying a new house and the realtor said it was a great house and you wanted the house, a beautiful house, and you got to the master bedroom and the realtor says to you, by the way, you should just know that a child was dismembered in this bedroom.
Would you buy the house?
Maybe, probably not.
Because there's something spooky about that.
There's something, I'm not a theologian.
I don't know much about theology, but there's something so dark about that act taking place in a place.
And the reason I think that is because, I mean, you're the only singer I've ever interviewed twice about something other than singing is because the last interview that we did really had a lasting effect on me.
When we did the interview, it was about your song, Revelation, which I thought was great, but I didn't understand.
I still don't fully understand a lot of the theology around it.
It's not the world that I come from, to put it mildly.
But you made a point about something called dispensationalism?
Dispensism.
Yeah.
The theology of dispensation.
And you criticized it.
You said you don't think it's biblical.
And I wasn't exactly sure what you were talking about when we had the conversation, but it set off a chain reaction in me.
I learned a lot much more about it.
And it really did change my views.
But in that conversation, you said there are a lot of preachers who will hate this.
And I've never met any preacher who even knows what that is.
And so I went, well, we hit the mark with that because their congregations are now going, I'm going to go read Matthew 24.
John said, go read it.
I don't really know what it says.
So I'm going to go read it.
And I'm telling you, man, I have had thousands of people online on social media hit me up and say, I just read Matthew 24 twice, like you said.
And it absolutely says that.
That is just what it says.
I can't believe I ever thought it was different than that.
Like the whole point of it, for people that don't know what that is, dispensationalism is basically saying that before the tribulation hits, before things get really, really bad for Christians on the earth, that they will be raptured out of here.
They'll be pulled out before the really bad stuff happens.
And it doesn't say that.
It actually, Jesus lists off all these things that are going to happen prior to his return.
And the wrath that Christians will be living under during the tribulation is the devil's wrath.
We're not spared from the devil's wrath.
We're spared from God's wrath.
And God's wrath is final.
That's when whoever's left at that point gets pulled out and then God pours his wrath out and the whole thing gets wiped out.
And then he rebuilds it.
And that's a whole other story.
But American Christians and American preachers don't want to have to think about the fact that they're going to have to go through something difficult.
Well, I'm sorry.
Why don't you take a little trip around the globe and go meet with some Christians who are literally meeting in caves and in basements of houses?
And if they're caught, they're murdered or imprisoned for the rest of their life or chopped up into pieces like what's going on in Syria right now.
They just hack them up or go down to Africa where there's Christians in mainly Muslim dominated countries and they're actually practicing Christians.
You know what happens to them?
They steal all their kids.
They hack up all the men and women and they move on and that village is just gone.
And you're telling me that fat, lazy American Christians have more of a right to be spared pain than those people?
Those people are worshiping Jesus Christ knowing it could absolutely cost them their life and they're doing it anyway.
They are elite to us.
They are giants of Christians in these other places.
And it's just most Christians don't think that there's anything wrong with it because they've always been taught that.
They don't know that that's not right.
So it's just ignorance on their part.
They just don't know.
But the real simple trick is, my man, pick up the Bible and read what it says.
Just read it.
Just read it down and then read it slower and then read it a third time and sit there and think about it.
It goes, it says all these things are going to happen before he shows back up.
And if I'm alive when those things are happening, I'm going to live through that.
And the real problem is telling people that they're going to be raptured out of here before, for instance, the Antichrist shows up or before the mark of the beast is implemented.
They think they'll be gone before those things happen.
Well, that's not true.
They won't be gone before it happens.
So what danger does that put them in?
That means if they're alive on the earth, when the mark of the beast is implemented and when the Antichrist shows up and makes himself known and they're still here, they're not going to think that's the Antichrist and they're not going to think that's the mark of the beast.
And I believe that's part of the great deception that is talked about in the New Testament.
He says, be as wise as serpents.
Jesus said that.
The deception is going to be so convincing that even some of the elect, meaning the elite Christians, the ones that really know, even they, it could be possible to even deceive them.
That's how close the counterfeit move will be made.
It is going to be something else.
And if you have been believing wrong information and believing a spin narrative that's put on the end times, you were in harm's way at that point.
And the other side of it, which actually I think had a positive effect, was they would say, the rapture could happen before this church service is over.
So you better give your life to Jesus right now because this time tomorrow, it could happen.
Well, that created a sense of immediacy for people like, well, I don't want to get left behind.
I don't want to get left behind.
And they would go down and they would get saved.
They'd give their life to Jesus.
That's great.
Right?
So that was a positive result of it.
But you're talking about hundreds of years now.
We're in 2025.
We've got AI about to show up.
You know, you wonder how my dad, who's been preaching since he was 19 years old, said we never could understand how in the book of Revelation, how they could monitor every human being on the earth because that's what they would have to do to implement the mark of the beast.
There are American Christians, including in Texas, where you're from, working very hard, raising a lot of money to build a third temple in Jerusalem on the Temple Mount.
do you think of that um when when it's very important in the bible to go back and look up the original language of what was said because it may say something a little different than what the english version of it says um um
I think that human beings that try to instigate on their own accord, instigate bringing on what Revelation talks about and what Daniel talked about, they go out purposely to instigate it really hits me in a wrong way because they're not God.
I would hope that I continue to do what I'm told, no matter how difficult it is.
If he wants me to do it and shows me I want you to go do that, that I will have the fortitude, which he also has to give you.
You have to ask for that too.
You don't have your own fortitude.
You don't have anything, Tucker.
You have literally nothing.
You have nothing.
You have to ask him for all of it that he would grant me the fortitude to follow through on what it is he wants me to do.
And my real, just what I feel like my role is right now, is to have conversations like this in front of millions of people because they're not going to hear it generally in their church.
They're not going to hear it anywhere.
They're just not going to hear it.
And I have no agenda with this.
You know what I mean?
I don't have a church.
I'm not a preacher.
I'm not running for politics.
I'm not doing any of those things.
I'm a guy with no record deal, no publishing deal.
I'm a dad.
I have a guitar.
I know how to write songs.
I can perform them.
I can take things that need to be said and put it into the form of music and put it out there and hopefully have serious, serious impact in two directions.
One, for the good people, the righteous people out there to make them think, to flick light bulbs on in their head, go, wait, what did he just say?
What did that song do?
And open them up to receive the real truth of what's going on.
And second fold on that is to put the most fear humanly and spiritually possible into the hearts of the devil's people, of his army.
I want them to be, I want them to be able to not sleep at night.
I want them to run and cower in fear because they know who they're up against.
And we have to announce ourselves.
We have to tell them who we are and we have to call them what they are.
They're not somebody with a mental problem.
They are a servant of their father.
They are carrying out their father's business and that's what they are.
And guess what?
They all have a chance to repent.
As long as they got one breath left, they can repent and they can turn, and I pray that they do.
But if they're not going to, and they're going to stay on the route that they're on, and they're going to come for our kids, then they're going to have to deal with us.
It's just who is us.
Us have to make ourselves clear.
The song is meant to clarify to them, to the Sean Combses of the world, who you're talking to.
Because I don't think you really understand it fully.
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