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Aug. 19, 2024 - The Tucker Carlson Show
02:43:37
Vince Coglianese: Free Vasectomies at the DNC, Don Lemon’s Arrogance, and the Humiliation of Biden

Vince Coglianese joins Tucker Carlson to dissect the DNC’s mobile vasectomy clinics as part of a leftist "death cult," linking declining birth rates to corporate exploitation and immigration-driven demographic shifts. They mock Kamala Harris’s incompetence—from awkward Doritos purchases to policy flip-flops—while framing Biden’s treatment of family as morally bankrupt, contrasting it with Trump’s resilience after the July 2024 shooting. The duo exposes media bias, from CNN’s racial identity debates to The View’s dishonesty, and warns Harris’s presidency hinges on unchecked censorship, not legitimacy. Ultimately, they argue the left’s policies—abortion, trans ideology, and voter fraud—accelerate societal collapse while elites like Lemon and Behar thrive in protected bubbles. [Automatically generated summary]

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Anti-Masking Laws Debate 00:07:14
tucker carlson
The Democratic National Convention starts this week.
Appalling, but there are, thankfully, entertainment possibilities, and we think we've found them.
So for the first time in a long time, we are going live this Thursday night, 8.30 Eastern.
We're going to be doing a live stream to react to Carmela Harris' primetime speech.
Great Jason Whitlock will join us in studio.
This will be airing on TCN only.
We recommend it strongly, so go to tuckercarlson.com.
See the whole thing live Thursday night, 8.30.
In the meantime, here's our latest episode on the DNC with Vince Colonese.
So someone just sent me a video of the protesters outside the DNC.
So I guess, almost by definition, even crazier than the people inside the DNC. And the first thing you notice is they're all wearing masks outside.
And I don't want to be mean.
Mental illness is real.
They're obviously mentally ill.
vince coglianese
Definitely.
tucker carlson
What's so interesting is I never see that in my life.
Do you ever see anybody wearing masks outside?
vince coglianese
Well, I live near Washington, so yes.
tucker carlson
You actually do now?
vince coglianese
Yeah, but that's...
So there are categories of people, I think, who are just neurotic and who've been misled, especially by the left, and they wear the mask still up until this very day.
tucker carlson
Do you know how bad that is for your health?
vince coglianese
It's awful.
It's awful.
tucker carlson
It's also...
I'd rather smoke cigarettes any day.
vince coglianese
I actually think the cost to socialization is even worse.
It's like your health is awful, but like...
Like, what does that say about you and how isolated you are from the rest of society?
That can't be good for your head.
And the truth is, I think, I don't think it's, for like a lot of these people, I don't really think in the end it's really about the health.
They maybe soothe themselves by saying that.
Fundamentally, it's a political gesture.
It's, I'm a part of a club.
It's a uniform.
It's signaling you're with the left.
And they're still doing it to this day.
It's like, crazy.
tucker carlson
I think I'm just too out of it.
I mean, because I see that and I'm like, okay.
Especially if it's a man, you're totally emasculated and pathetic.
vince coglianese
Definitely.
tucker carlson
You have no self-respect at all.
You hate yourself and for good reason.
That's the first thing I think.
With contempt but also pity, I just can't.
You actually see people with masks outside.
vince coglianese
Yeah, unfortunately.
And I do think the people that you're talking about outside the convention, that's also a means to commit a crime and get away with it.
tucker carlson
Well, that's right.
vince coglianese
A lot of states in our country, I don't know if it's all the states, but a lot of them, have anti-masking laws on the books.
And the concept is that you shouldn't...
tucker carlson
Going back to the 1920s.
vince coglianese
You shouldn't, like a bandit, be able to just rob a store with a handkerchief tied around your face.
So, they have anti-masking laws, which I think are still on the books, and no one's ever gotten rid of them.
tucker carlson
Those were anti-Klan laws, I think, in most places.
vince coglianese
Well, that would be a useful law in order to prevent that activity.
So, anyway.
But these guys, and they commit crimes.
And it's the same.
It's the truth about Antifa.
How often did we see a riot committed by Antifa where they destroyed things, where they killed people, where they burned down the third precinct in Minneapolis, all of the chaos, and they're wearing masks in order to prevent people from knowing who they are so that they can be held accountable.
And we accept it because the left says, well, mask wearing is necessary.
tucker carlson
I don't want to digress too much, which is a problem that I have, but...
Did the FBI ever—I mean, I know we spent a lot of time tracing the roots of Christian nationalism and, like, scary middle-class grandmothers who are still in jail from January 6th, etc., etc.
But did anybody in law enforcement ever get to the bottom of Antifa?
vince coglianese
No.
No.
And they've shown almost no interest in it.
tucker carlson
In Antifa.
In fact, you remember when— They came to my house and threatened my wife, vandalized my house, killed a bunch of people around the country.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
And were just totally ignored?
vince coglianese
I remember really clearly.
unidentified
Did the cops ever follow up with you after your house was attacked?
tucker carlson
I don't want to make it about me or whine about it.
It's not about me.
They didn't hurt me.
vince coglianese
You would think as a victim of it, as your wife being a victim of it, then maybe you'd be given a readout on what happened.
tucker carlson
No, nobody cared.
And the cops did come to my house months later.
In fact, two black cops, both of whom told me they were voting for Trump, In D.C., great guys, came to my house and told me to carry a gun when I went outside.
vince coglianese
The cops told you, you're on your own.
tucker carlson
They didn't say you're on your own.
They said, we recommend that you carry a gun.
vince coglianese
But that is the message of that.
tucker carlson
Which I did, of course.
No, they were actually great.
No, but there was no effort to kind of find out who did this.
But it's just interesting.
Again, I don't want to make it about me.
Because it's not.
But I just think it's remarkable that you could have this armed militia in the streets that still exists and nobody at the FBI, they really are criminals, the people who run the FBI, if I can just say.
Chris Ray's a freaking criminal.
I'm trying not to use the F word.
But they don't get to the bottom of it.
vince coglianese
Well, just ask the crisis pregnancy centers around the country.
So all the pro-life pregnancy centers, the ones who actually help mothers, who actually provide diapers and formula, and who work with them in the early stages of their child's life.
Yeah, adoption.
Like, angels on earth.
Every single person I've interviewed who works with or for a crisis pregnancy center is, first of all, a lot better person than I am.
And you can feel the spirituality come off of them.
tucker carlson
Yes, I totally agree.
vince coglianese
The goodness, the innate goodness come off of them.
All of the crimes against those places, they don't get solved.
In fact, they don't even get looked into in any meaningful way.
And that includes firebombing, that includes vandalism, smashing windows, attacking these facilities.
Meanwhile, if you're singing church hymns outside of an abortion mill, your life will be destroyed.
If you're a grandmother singing church hymns outside of an abortion mill, your life will be destroyed.
And when Merrick Garland, the Attorney General, was asked about this in Congress, like, hey, crisis pregnancy centers being destroyed.
Old ladies singing outside of abortion mills, he said, well, he didn't say the old lady, but the old lady, her face is out, and it's in daylight, so we can catch her.
But the Antifa people, they do it at night.
tucker carlson
So Speaker Mike Johnson, who's constantly telling you what a great Christian he is, sort of led the effort to refund the FBI and build them a new headquarters, and has done nothing.
I mean, the FBI is now a kind of anti-Christian secret police force, and the purportedly Christian Speaker of the House just sort of rubber stamps their funding every year, and nobody does anything about this.
I mean, you can feel the frustration in my voice, I think.
vince coglianese
It's totally despicable.
And I hate dwelling on that.
tucker carlson
I do too.
vince coglianese
Because what it starts to do is it creeps into your mind.
None of it matters.
Like, you start becoming so fatalist about it, you know?
It's like, I don't care.
Speaker's Christian Complicity 00:09:57
vince coglianese
Whatever the outcome is, it's all going south.
tucker carlson
It's totally right.
vince coglianese
And I don't want to be tempted by that thought.
Like, I really don't.
tucker carlson
That's deep.
vince coglianese
Actually?
Yes.
tucker carlson
Not that I have any idea what you're talking about, Vince.
vince coglianese
It drives me so crazy.
tucker carlson
No, I know.
vince coglianese
Which is why, okay, so do you think Trump learned enough lessons from round one in order to do it differently in round two?
tucker carlson
I can't answer that question.
vince coglianese
You can't because you have no idea.
tucker carlson
I don't want to.
vince coglianese
You don't want to.
tucker carlson
You hope so.
I mean, I think like a lot of people...
Why am I talking?
I'm here to interview you.
But since you asked, I think like a lot of people...
Well, first of all, I really like Trump enormously as a person.
A. B. I think that the alternative is so shocking that I've kind of put on pause all thoughts like the one you just raised.
vince coglianese
Exactly.
tucker carlson
Right.
Because it's super clear what's going to happen if the Democratic Party holds power.
It's not about Kamala Harris.
She's not even...
I don't think there's any evidence.
She's like an actual person.
Right.
So it's about the party.
It's about the collective.
It's about the people who really have wrecked the country continuing to loot it and to destroy the First and Second Amendments, the Bill of Rights, civil liberties in the United States.
For another four years, which will really be kind of the end, and then just a one-party state.
That's what I foresee, and that's just so bad that I'm not spending a ton of time thinking about the question that you just raised.
But, you know, I hope so, for sure.
vince coglianese
Yeah, but the, I mean, first of all, the chances of both of these scenarios are very high.
Like, one where Kamala wins, and we head for what you think is the end.
Is it that dark for you?
tucker carlson
I have no idea.
My ability to foresee the future is non-existent.
Every political call I've ever made is wrong.
vince coglianese
And that's true, by the way, of literally everybody in politics.
tucker carlson
Yeah, and I also think, just judging from my own brief and not very exciting life, one takeaway from it, though, after 55 years, is your victories turn out very often to be your losses, and your losses almost always turn out to be your victories.
And we don't see that as people.
Consistent theme throughout history, throughout the Old and New Testaments.
It's like, just when you think everything is lost, that is, I mean, well, that, actually, that's the theme of Christianity out of, you know, being tortured to death.
vince coglianese
Don't you feel like, don't you feel like that that happened in 2020?
So, in a sense, the losses of 2020 have definitely hardened, like, the world of normal people.
To the point that, like, they're not playing games anymore.
They're not dressing up their language.
They're being very clear about their thinking.
They know where all of this is going.
They're not trying to suck up to everybody else.
tucker carlson
No, that's right.
vince coglianese
I mean, look, if we had to do 2020 over again, I don't want the outcome that we got.
But I will say, it's made a lot of people better.
And in fact, you and I have talked about this.
tucker carlson
It's made a lot of people better.
That is absolutely right.
vince coglianese
The spiritual component, the religious component in the country, took off in a way that I couldn't have foreseen.
tucker carlson
No, that's right.
vince coglianese
In 2020, don't you think?
tucker carlson
I felt it coming.
I don't know why, but I actually have not been surprised by it.
I've been delighted to see it, but not surprised.
But I do think that people I know, I'm really blessed to know, are all deeper and smarter and warmer with each other, more real with each other, more I love yous, more honesty.
vince coglianese
They're more intentional.
tucker carlson
Way more.
I just know for my own family, and I'm not talking about material prosperity, I just mean, I'm speaking only in terms of love, is so much stronger and happier after COVID, after the BLM riots, after all the sadness we've seen, after the clearly stolen election.
All these bad things happen, but people I know love each other more.
I'm not going to even guess.
I shouldn't even have said all that about.
vince coglianese
Well, I guess if you take the long view, which as a Christian you should, if you take the long view, in the end, you're not really all that disturbed by the pace of this.
I mean, you're disturbed on behalf of your family, of course.
You care about your country.
tucker carlson
Right.
vince coglianese
But you have this eternal optimism that, well, the Bible does kind of lay out the misery that precedes glory, you know?
tucker carlson
Well, that's exactly right.
vince coglianese
And so, in the end, you always wonder, like, at what stage in history are we living through?
tucker carlson
Yeah.
So I think you have an advantage because you're 15 years younger than me-ish.
vince coglianese
Something like that.
tucker carlson
Something like that, maybe more.
But I was born in 69, and so from 69 to 2016, my core assumption was, you know, everything's great, and everything's going to get better every year, and bad things don't happen.
Our system is totally solid.
And, you know, they're, of course, bad actors within the system, but they don't control the system.
The system is fundamentally real.
It is a democracy in some loose sense.
The people do have a say in how they're governed, etc., etc., etc., etc.
9-11 is real.
I mean, you know, like, whatever.
I just, like, kind of believed everything.
But, you know, the lesson of history is there's always turmoil, and a lot of things are always going to be fake.
vince coglianese
Right.
tucker carlson
And, you know, the Lord of the earth is Satan.
I mean, that's kind of right.
And so it's just like, this is what it is.
It's what it's always been.
I just think people who are your age are less shocked by that than I am.
Yeah, yeah.
My main impediment is just being shocked.
Like, I can't believe this is happening.
vince coglianese
Yeah, that's true.
tucker carlson
What?
They're putting people in prison for praying at abortion clinics?
Like, what?
They replaced Easter with Trans Visibility Day?
I can't believe this.
vince coglianese
I know.
tucker carlson
Which is kind of like, I'm not a boomer, but it is kind of Thankfully, I'm not a boomer, but it's...
It's kind of a boomer response.
vince coglianese
The opening ceremonies to the Olympics.
unidentified
Yeah.
vince coglianese
The fact that they would do a fake Last Supper with all trans people or drag people, it's like, does it get any more brazen?
I mean, and they're like, oh, it's totally normal.
Like, what are you all complaining about?
What?
I mean, it is, they double-barrel middle-fingered every Christian on Earth.
tucker carlson
Of course, because Christianity is the enemy.
That's what they hate.
That's what they actually hate.
Like, all the other...
All the nonsense.
We're here to help black people.
We're here to help trans people.
We're here to help immigrants.
You're not here to help anybody.
You're here to oppose Christianity is what you're here to do.
Period.
That's their goal.
Whether they know it or not.
But don't listen to what they say.
Watch what they do.
For sure.
Tell me what to make of, speaking of spiritual themes in our politics, the abortion lobby shows up at the DNC this week.
And sends with them a mobile vasectomy clinic so you can get snipped if you want at the DNC. This at a time where the birth rate among native born Americans is way below replacement from not having babies.
Why would that be your priority?
vince coglianese
It's a death cult.
It's a total death cult.
At the bottom of every one of these policies that they pitch and they sell you is a good thing.
Is human suffering?
At the bottom of all of them.
So a really good example of this is the climate stuff.
So let's assume for a moment that all of their climate catastrophizing is correct.
tucker carlson
Yes.
vince coglianese
That it's our activity that's making the Earth warmer.
Okay.
Well, it turns out that the warmer the planet is, the better it is for humans.
tucker carlson
Right.
vince coglianese
More humans survive in an environment where the Earth is warmer.
In fact, when the Earth is colder, lots of people die.
Lots of people die.
And there's no challenge to that science whatsoever.
It's totally clear.
If it's a matter of sea level rise and all this other stuff, we have amazing alert systems, hurricanes.
The reason people don't die to hurricanes is because we have such a far-out advance notice that they're coming.
Our buildings are so much more durable.
They never talk about death counts, by the way, when they talk about hurricanes and what they're doing and the climate change.
Way fewer people die due to hurricanes now.
It's never at its core about human flourishing.
Ever.
So if it's not about human flourishing, it's about the opposite.
It's about death.
They're totally fine with it.
In fact, they view us as a cancer on the earth, at least the radical left's so-called environmental movement.
And the abortion thing, it's a death cult.
All sort of like pagan tribal religions have had death rituals.
tucker carlson
Of course, human sacrifice is the one constant.
vince coglianese
On my radio show, I refer to this as human sacrifice all the time because that's what it is.
Breaking yourself of the spell of using their terminology is such a challenging thing to do because it's everywhere.
It surrounds you.
It's like every newspaper you read, every television show you watch, every social media post you consume.
Lots of them in the past.
They use the language of the left as it's shifting, as it's modifying.
And if you don't use the language, you're censored.
So it's mind control, as you know.
And so the obsession with death and advancing it as a social good is one of the most destructive things that any culture can do, and we're living through it.
I mean, this abortion fetish is out of control.
And you know what's even crazier is that the Kamala campaign, to the extent that one exists that has a policy agenda, that's their thing.
They think that's their number one issue.
tucker carlson
Is abortion.
unidentified
Yeah.
vince coglianese
And they think that she's a great pitch woman for it.
She's so good at an abortion.
tucker carlson
So how many abortions would equal freedom and happiness?
We don't have enough abortions?
That's the...
vince coglianese
No.
tucker carlson
But is there, can they, I mean, I always feel like in politics, you know, effective politicians describe the future they will bring you if you vote for them.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Vote for me and you get, whatever, a new car.
Abortion Fetish Dilemma 00:02:59
tucker carlson
Fine.
I get that.
What...
But when you run on abortion, it's like we have hundreds of thousands of abortions every year.
Hundreds and hundreds of thousands of abortions every year.
So how many more until we're happy?
vince coglianese
I mean, some years we've had, I think, in the vicinity of a million abortions a year.
Which, for those people who pay attention to immigration, that's about the number of legal immigrants we bring into the country every year.
So we're aborting a million Americans and then importing a million workers each year, give or take.
tucker carlson
Right.
vince coglianese
That number changes.
And it's super disheartening because it's like, first of all, you're killing off the next generation of the people who have a vested interest in this country.
And then you're importing people who don't at all.
unidentified
It's.
tucker carlson
And no tie to its history at all or to its systems or to its creed.
vince coglianese
Yeah, it's not...
tucker carlson
To its culture, to its language?
vince coglianese
They're not even bothering themselves with that question.
It's like a sensible immigration system would actually be predicated on those questions.
What can you contribute?
How much do you adhere?
Are you going to assimilate?
Are you going to buy into our culture and creed?
Those are the core questions of how you compose a country and allow immigration at the same time.
They're not even, they're aligning those.
Who cares?
Just bring everybody in.
And forget legal.
We'll establish an app south of our border.
You just, like an Uber, you just sign up to come into the country and the Biden administration will human traffic you in.
tucker carlson
Yes.
vince coglianese
Which is what they're doing at your expense.
Isn't that wild?
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tucker carlson
And then convincing Americans that having children is like the worst thing that they could ever do.
Who would get a vasectomy at the DNC? That...
vince coglianese
Component of this is the part that makes me think that Turning Point is paying for it or something.
Like somebody set up, like a right-wing group set up a vasectomy machine outside of the DNC is pretty funny.
But I don't know.
I mean, the left has been obsessed with abortion for years.
tucker carlson
And birth control.
vince coglianese
It hasn't diminished the number of people who buy into the storyline.
tucker carlson
It's just so interesting.
I mean, I've been pro-life, you know, since my 20s anyway.
When I had kids and really thought about it.
vince coglianese
Yeah, yeah.
tucker carlson
Even before then.
But I never really connected that to birth control.
I mean, I'm Protestant.
I never had any problem with birth control, practice birth control.
But isn't that fine?
I'm not even sure to think of it now, but I know what I think of people who are obsessed with preventing conception and childbirth.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Like, what is that?
Why the obsession?
vince coglianese
Yeah.
They're obsessed with it, and then they pretend that there's no moral qualms about it.
tucker carlson
Well, they're obsessed with it, and then they pretend that everyone else is like, you're obsessed with controlling women's bodies.
No, I appreciate women's bodies.
I don't really want to control anybody.
vince coglianese
It's stupid, but that's misdirection, of course.
tucker carlson
It has nothing to do with that.
vince coglianese
That's like putting the debate in a place that they feel that they can have it safely.
But if you were for it, and there are a limited number of people who I've heard make honest arguments, like, yeah, it's extinguishing a human life.
A human life dies.
But I think it's worth it.
At least that person is being honest about what's happening.
At least that's an honest conversation.
Instead, with the left, that's just like, you'd be like, okay, we want to pass a law to prevent late-term abortions.
No late-term abortions.
Which, by the way, the whole country agrees that no babies should be killed in the third trimester.
That's a terrible time to do that.
It's always a terrible time, but that's where the public thinks.
tucker carlson
A child who can live outside the womb?
vince coglianese
Yes.
And so what the left says is, oh, that never happens.
Or they'll say, oh, it only happens in very rare, very rare circumstances where the life of the mother's on the line.
Really?
Because actually, that's bullshit.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
vince coglianese
That's total bullshit.
And the reason I know that is because the Guttmacher Institute, which is the leading gatherer of abortion statistics on behalf of the abortion industry, says that the majority of abortions that take place late term are healthy babies, healthy mothers.
Healthy babies, healthy mothers.
The majority.
Nobody knows this because the media doesn't tell you that.
It oftentimes involves women who either didn't know they were pregnant, which suggests that they probably weren't all that healthy, physically healthy, or it's women who dither on the question on whether or not they would get the abortion at all.
They eventually, in a very late stage, decided to do it.
tucker carlson
Or are pressured into it.
vince coglianese
Or are pressured into it, which is a means for helping the worst kind of men in our country.
tucker carlson
Of course.
vince coglianese
And that's really, I mean, At its core, like if you really wanted to attack it, it's a deeply misogynist institution.
You know?
tucker carlson
Women only have value to the extent they work for me at some bank.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
I mean, no one ever says the truth, which has to do with labor, but women are amazing employees because they're more dutiful and reliable than men.
And having had a lot of women work for me, I can say that.
I worked in a business that was mostly women.
And they're amazing employees.
vince coglianese
They're less distracted.
They're more task-oriented.
tucker carlson
And they actually do what they say they're going to do.
You know what I mean?
They don't space out and try to improvise midway through or get high in the men's room and forget.
They're just like women, just like my daughters as compared to my son.
They're just like, they do the job.
And so it's great to have women work for you.
And they're nice, too, especially if you're a man.
You just get along with them.
It's great.
And I love working with women.
But there's a temptation, like if you were soulless, to want to encourage them not to have kids because kids are a higher priority than whatever stupid job you're offering them.
Do you know what I mean?
vince coglianese
100%.
tucker carlson
And so the labor market pushes this shit, this anti-fertility stuff on women, tells them it's liberation, and I'm sorry to say this, but a lot of them don't think it through, and they're like, yeah, it's liberation.
It's sad.
And that's how you wind up with this.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
There's a group, I think it's based in D.C. It's capitalism, Vince.
tucker carlson
We have to support it, or else we're against free markets.
vince coglianese
There's a left-wing group in D.C. that's dedicated to this issue, what you're talking about?
tucker carlson
Really?
Well, I support them, because I agree with that.
vince coglianese
I think the PPAU, I think is what they're called, the Progressive Anti-Abortion Union, or something.
And at its core is exactly the argument you're making, which is like, why are we telling women to be wage slaves?
tucker carlson
Right.
vince coglianese
Like, why are we telling them that their most important purpose is corporate America?
tucker carlson
To work at a bank!
vince coglianese
All the way through their ability.
tucker carlson
You were born to work at a bank!
vince coglianese
Like, literally, imagine if you had a window of time where you could perform magic in your life.
Literally, and the magic could only be performed during this, like, 20-year window of time.
And some company hired you and said, we'll hire you under this condition.
You never use your magic.
Never once will you be able to use this magic ability that you'll never be able to do again.
You can never use it during the time that you work for us.
Okay.
In fact, we'll pay for you not to do it.
Which is what they do.
They do this to women.
And they have this incredible, magic, miraculous ability.
And we have huge sectors of our society dedicated to telling them, don't use it.
Don't you dare.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
You can create life.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Or you can create a spreadsheet.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
And we think the spreadsheet's more important.
vince coglianese
Or you can create value for our stock.
What would you like to do?
tucker carlson
It's so unbelievable.
And what's interesting is I'm now, I'm sorry, I keep attacking Republicans.
I plan to vote for them, just to be clear.
Don't have an option.
But the number of Republicans who sort of leaders, I'm talking about, not the voters, by and large, but their leaders totally buy into that.
And they're like, I wish these pro-family, anti-abortion people, Christians, would just shut up.
Just shut up.
Like, how does that help private equity or war against Iran?
vince coglianese
No.
tucker carlson
Do you know what I mean?
Like, they totally agree with the left on these issues.
vince coglianese
Yeah, because...
tucker carlson
And they'll call you a socialist if you disagree.
vince coglianese
I think part of it is, like, they're too lazy to take the mental inventory necessary to make the arguments.
I think that's part of it, honestly.
Having met, I mean, you've met way more of these guys than I have, but I've met a lot of them.
tucker carlson
Oh, they're so disgusting.
vince coglianese
And if it's not an issue that's, like, in the headlines right now...
There's not a lot of deep thoughts on the subject.
tucker carlson
No.
vince coglianese
You know, like, there's not a lot of, like, existential thinking going on.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
vince coglianese
Which is unfortunate.
It's really unfortunate.
Because the right, the normal American, which I love using, by the way.
I think the phrase normal is, like, the best way to attack.
tucker carlson
It's the best.
vince coglianese
Because it really does reflect, like, what we are all thinking fundamentally.
Forget right and left.
Normal people like babies.
tucker carlson
Right?
vince coglianese
Normal people like flourishing families.
Normal people recognize the value that it's given to them.
And they feel awful for the people who've been sold the lies.
And so, we should just speak up for it.
And you should, if you're a conservative politician, a Republican politician, and you don't have a good argument against the death cult, one, you shouldn't be a politician.
You should get out of the game entirely.
But two, at least sit down.
Maybe have a wife.
Sit down with her and talk about it.
And come up with some clear answers.
And then fight for what's right.
And then...
Fight to create a world where people don't feel like they need to kill a baby in order to thrive, you know?
tucker carlson
I would like to see, I mean, maybe I'm getting less, I don't know, laissez-faire as I get older, but if you see the energy that went in to destroying the lives of all those middle-aged, diabetic, lower-middle-class white Americans who went to defend the Constitution on January 6th, like, really, we harnessed the entire...
to crush them.
vince coglianese
Yes.
tucker carlson
As long as that machine exists, why not turn it on any company that encourages its female employees to, quote, freeze their eggs?
There's something about that.
Like, any company that encourages women to work themselves to death in pursuit of some totally pointless goal like private equity or banking and then tells them, but we'll pay for you to freeze your eggs, why don't we sick the FBI on them?
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
As long as we're sick in the FBI and people.
vince coglianese
I don't know.
I mean, it's like...
tucker carlson
Sorry, I know I'm not supposed to say that.
But I think that.
Like, those are...
Like, that's evil.
That's totally evil.
unidentified
It is...
I mean...
tucker carlson
Give up the one thing that really matters that will bring you joy in your age in exchange for some shitty job at Citibank.
unidentified
Ugh.
vince coglianese
The January 6th thing is like...
unidentified
Is the perfect...
vince coglianese
The perfect understanding way to...
The perfect template for understanding all of this because...
Remember in the wake of January 6th, that Washington Post article about how they were all in debt?
tucker carlson
I never will forget it.
It was the last piece of journalism that paper committed.
vince coglianese
It was like three or four days.
It was very close to January 6th.
They did a basic piece of journalism like, who are the people in the crowd?
And the answer to that question was that they were all in deep financial distress.
Most of them.
Not all of them, I guess, but a lot of them.
They had bankruptcies and massive amounts of debt and had a lot of financial discontent.
And that was the last time I think that that paper treated them as humans.
But at its core, what that story tells you is that they don't have the financial means to fight back.
If you have the full weight of the federal government against you with the bottomless pit of resources, they can print their own money, there's no chance you, who have declared bankruptcy, are going to survive in the face of that.
No matter how decent you were, no matter how few laws that you actually broke or whatever, it doesn't matter.
You're going to be destroyed.
But if you're Purdue Pharma, you're going to get immunity.
To litigation.
If you make opioids that kill people.
tucker carlson
The Sacklers are still billionaires.
vince coglianese
And then lie to them about that.
Or, you know, if you're...
Heck, even Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was headed towards a settlement until there was a national uproar about it.
And that guy, the 9-11 mastermind?
How many years out are we from that?
And we have January 6th grandmas who are serving years in prison.
The guy with...
The guy who you interviewed, Jacob Chansley.
unidentified
Like...
vince coglianese
Years.
Like, the sentences that these people have been given.
Lives destroyed.
Khalid Sheikh Mohammed still haven't resolved that.
The 9-11 attacks.
It's crazy.
tucker carlson
Have we...
So we got Kevin McCarthy, the former kind of mediocre speaker who is now much missed by me, to give up some of the 9-11 footage right before I got fired.
vince coglianese
The January 6th footage.
tucker carlson
Rather, the January 6th.
Did I say 9-11?
vince coglianese
Yeah.
I was like, wow, that's a story.
Tell me.
tucker carlson
Yeah, that is a story.
Why are there any 9-11 documents still classified?
What is that?
vince coglianese
Why are there any JFK documents still classified?
tucker carlson
Well, you know why.
To protect people who lied about those events.
But anyway, back to January 6th.
Why are we going to have to wait 61 years to see the rest of the January 6th footage?
It's been almost four years.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
So why is the Republican speaker continuing to hold all this footage?
Why not make it all public?
vince coglianese
Sometimes I think that they get so obsessed with controlling the storylines.
They're not even good at it, though.
But it's like, well, we can't let that become the story because that could be a cost to us.
I'm like, I don't know.
What is the evidence that you're great at this?
What evidence should exist that demonstrates that you are the person that we should rely on to set the timeline for when the public finds out this stuff?
That's idiotic.
And I'd happen to believe that telling the truth is the most important thing.
Because the more you do that, so long as you actually believe in our system as a place where the voters get to say, they have to have that in order to make those decisions.
That's it.
That's the whole ballgame.
tucker carlson
You can't have democracy with censorship, period.
vince coglianese
Can I? I know you don't want me to ask you too many questions, but let me ask you one, at least.
The fact that they replaced Biden made me a little bit hopeful that the election isn't quite as rigged as you might expect.
In other words, they were so concerned that the voters really would have their say with Biden in office that they replaced him.
They said, we can't, this is too much.
And I've talked about this with friends on the right, and some of them...
I think that's wrong.
Because the left is completely brazen about their lives.
I don't think they would pause for a moment to be like, oh no, the public thinks it's rigged because Biden got reelected.
I actually think that, at least at this moment, that voters, kind of like the way Trump is saying.
If they can make it too big to rig, they really do have a say right now, which is why the info war continues, like the battle, as Alex Jones says.
But the battle over the voters' minds is still so intense.
It suggests to me very strongly that the election system really does work, at least to an extent.
tucker carlson
But I think that's true in any system.
I mean, what's so striking to me...
Is how, just having traveled a lot and looked at a lot of different systems around the world, is there really are no purely totalitarian countries or systems that never have been.
I mean, Stalin, who is about as close to an absolute dictator, Mao, same, as the world has ever seen, you know, both of those regimes spent a huge amount of time and money on propaganda.
Even though they had absolute power, they could kill anyone they wanted.
So you really do end up ruling by consent whether you want to or not, whether it's manufactured consent or legitimate consent, but you have to control people's brains.
You can't just rule indefinitely at the point of a gun.
So, you know, I think you make a good point.
I want the people in charge to at least try to convince me because that shows respect.
I'm not sure what is going on.
To be honest with you, I mean, I haven't done hallucinogens in 35 years, but I'm getting that kind of weird dream sequence feeling about American politics right now.
I'm not quite sure what the hell is this.
vince coglianese
Well, you had Ben Carson on recently.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
vince coglianese
And he said something that stuck with me.
I love Ben Carson.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
vince coglianese
He's a great human being.
tucker carlson
I agree.
vince coglianese
And he's the perfect case study in the way that the media will destroy you as soon as you turn against their interests.
tucker carlson
Yes.
vince coglianese
Because Ben Carson was a celebrated...
I know.
Pediatric neurosurgeon.
Up until the moment, and to the point that it was in childhood curriculums to learn about Ben Carson's life in schools, and you'd read his book, Gifted Hands, and learn all about him.
They later made a famous Hollywood movie about his life, and the second he ran for politics, they cast him as a moron.
He's an idiot.
tucker carlson
He's an idiot.
vince coglianese
He's so stupid.
He messed up brain surgeries all the time.
You started seeing all these stories.
Ben Carson's Fall 00:05:40
vince coglianese
Come out.
And he was heralded by places like the New York Times and then, of course, and then after that eviscerated the second he declared interest in Republican politics and the second especially that he spoke up on behalf of life.
tucker carlson
That was so on the God frequency, though, as you know.
I know you know him.
He's like, it doesn't even, it doesn't.
vince coglianese
It doesn't bother him.
tucker carlson
He's got such a great attitude.
vince coglianese
I love it.
It's infectious.
So he said to you that this switcheroo that they just pulled off is a test of the media's ability to rig the election.
tucker carlson
That's right.
Nicely put.
vince coglianese
And I love that.
I love that because it's true.
And we're witnessing it right now.
So my thought process is, and I wonder about you too, is that at what point does the media's ego get in the way of their partisan priorities?
In other words, Kamala's refusing to do interviews.
And right now their partisan priorities are to get her elected.
But you and I both know these people in the press.
And if there's one thing that might override their partisan priorities, It's their obsession with themselves.
To the point that, like, this drumbeat of, like, why isn't she doing an interview?
Why isn't she sitting down with CNN? Why isn't she sitting down with ABC? It's enough to be enticing to the people in that world that they're, like, you're beginning to see at least little murmurs of it, like, oh, she should do an interview.
Well, you know, the voters deserve that.
You're beginning to see, I think that their egos may override their part.
tucker carlson
I hope so.
unidentified
I hope.
tucker carlson
Though, I guess the kind of argument would be...
To work at a place like NBC News or CNN, and I've worked at both, now requires total degradation.
unidentified
Total.
tucker carlson
Like, you can have no self-respect at all.
Or you couldn't work there because you're being told to say things that are obviously untrue, to lie every single day.
There's no dissent allowed.
And your average adult man wouldn't put up with that because it's like, well, I have opinions too.
And as a human being and not a slave, I get to express my opinions.
No, you can't.
I think that's an intolerable work environment for anyone with any dignity at all.
Therefore, the people who work there, most of whom I know, they just don't have any dignity left.
I mean, I hope I'm wrong.
I want everyone to have dignity, but I don't see it.
Do you?
vince coglianese
No, it's very humiliating.
tucker carlson
It's so humiliating.
I work at CNN, really?
vince coglianese
Just the crimes of omission are really obvious.
tucker carlson
No, they're just liars.
vince coglianese
And then to, like, go on TV and then to treat people who would support Trump with contempt, which they were doing, like, this very weekend.
There's, like, the Sunday shows.
They're like, we interviewed these people and they have no idea what they're talking about.
It's basically, like, what?
tucker carlson
I know.
vince coglianese
And you do, living, like, this absurdly pampered life, like, completely away from all of the problems that these people have.
Very real problems.
I saw Don Lamont is running around right now.
He's doing man-on-the-street interviews.
That's his latest iteration.
tucker carlson
For whom?
vince coglianese
For Don Lamont.
It's his DL on his microphone.
tucker carlson
For his own.
vince coglianese
On his microphone flag.
tucker carlson
I haven't talked to Don in a while.
I had high hopes for Don, but he learned nothing.
vince coglianese
I know you did.
tucker carlson
I know you did.
Because you're good about that.
vince coglianese
But when he was talking to these voters.
tucker carlson
We got fired the same day.
vince coglianese
Yeah, I know.
tucker carlson
I called him right away.
But yeah, I call everyone when they're fired.
Period.
But yeah, Don, I wanted him.
Because usually getting fired.
You know, you learn something about yourself.
vince coglianese
It's humbling.
tucker carlson
It's so important to be fired regularly, I would say, especially if you're arrogant like I am.
So I've really enjoyed getting fired.
And I thought, this will be totally good for Don.
It'll be totally good for me, which it was.
But Don didn't seem to even pause.
unidentified
No.
vince coglianese
And the giveaway was his interview with Elon Musk.
It was a total disaster because he refused to take any inventory of his priors.
It was entirely a political, like, partisan talking points exercise.
It was really embarrassing, actually, because if Don Lemon, I want to get back to his man on the street thing in a minute, but Don Lemon, like a decade ago, was willing to say things on television that his network didn't agree with.
And there's like this famous Morgan Freeman interview he did where the two of them were sitting around talking about how obsessing over race actually exacerbates racial division in the country.
And we should stop doing that.
That's what the two of them sitting there agreeing on that subject.
I was like, what happened to that guy?
He just...
He just sold out, I guess.
From afar, I don't know him.
tucker carlson
But how can you get fired if you're Don Lemon and you get, you know, you're hired at CNN, you're gay, you're black, you obviously can never be fired, obviously, because you can't fire someone in those categories.
Ask anyone who runs a business.
You can't.
You're afraid to.
And they fire you anyway.
Then, at least part of you has to think, like, how did I get fired?
Like, what did I do wrong?
I must have played some role in this.
They suck.
Okay, that's fine.
I hate my bosses.
They humiliate me.
You know, I'm mad at them.
I get it.
I've certainly been there.
But, come on.
It's like a marriage.
Like, if it blows up, each side has some culpability.
What's mine?
Like, what did I do wrong?
That's true.
I don't think he even...
And I had a long conversation with him on the phone.
I should have said, Don, you know, you've got good...
I think Don has good qualities.
Great qualities for TV, actually.
And I told him that.
But you should just really pause and ask yourself, like, yes, CNN sucks.
I can confirm that as a former employee.
But you kind of suck too.
So that's what fired people have to ask themselves.
But he never did.
vince coglianese
Well, the underlying question for, at least for me, watching from the outside was, okay, so now he's free.
He doesn't have anybody telling him what he has to say.
Supply Chain Dilemmas 00:03:38
tucker carlson
I know!
It's so great!
vince coglianese
The script is gone.
And there's nobody, there's no advertisers for you to, in fact, you can build your own.
You have to, that whole world.
And he stuck to the script.
unidentified
I was like, oh, so I guess he truly believes this nonsense.
vince coglianese
And that gets to this man on the street.
He's talking to people like all across, I guess, across the country.
He's going to different places or beach communities that he's staying in.
And he just happens to put a microphone in people's faces.
I'm not sure.
But he's talking to people and he's asking them who you're supporting.
And he's getting a lot of people saying, Trump, I'm voting for Trump.
And a lot of black people responding, I'm voting for Trump.
And in one, he confronts the guy who says, I was better off financially under Trump.
And he says, that's not true.
That's not true.
tucker carlson
No, you were happier when Trump wasn't president.
vince coglianese
He's like, fact check, false.
Fact check, false.
tucker carlson
Did he actually say it?
vince coglianese
He didn't say the words fact check, false.
But he virtually did.
He was like, no, no, no.
Things are much better now, economically.
unidentified
And you're like, what world is he living in?
vince coglianese
I guess in some sense, it's definitely, I guess he buys into the facade.
If he truly believes it, he buys into the facade.
Because all this conversation about the economy, it's very, it's skin deep.
It's so crazy.
tucker carlson
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So if you're in a family or people around you you care about, just remember that supply chain from China could be the thing keeping them alive.
What if something went wrong with the supply chain from China?
We don't have to imagine that.
We just saw that during COVID, the lunacy of COVID. Foreign supply chains collapsed in some cases, leaving American consumers without Products they needed.
Products as simple as toilet paper, machine parts, and potentially antibiotics.
This is something we're thinking about.
You're not crazy.
You're not some radical prepper to want to have a steady supply of life-saving medicine in case something went wrong.
We spent a lot of time thinking about this because you need to.
You need an emergency supply, of course, of water, food.
Everyone knows that.
But also medication.
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jacemedical.com, promo code TUCKER. No, but can I just ask, even economic analysis aside, the arrogance required to look into someone's face and disagree with his own assessment of his financials is like, no, actually, no, actually, we've never met before, but what you just told me about your life is not true.
Disagreeing Face-to-Face 00:15:35
tucker carlson
It can't be true.
It's like, shut up and listen.
Just listen to people for a second.
First of all, it's kind of fun.
Second, you learn a lot.
But how arrogant would you have to be not to listen?
vince coglianese
Just ask a few questions and then bounce your own assumptions off them and see what they say.
tucker carlson
Vince, I know you told me that you were diagnosed with cancer recently, but you don't have cancer.
We've never met.
I'm not a physician.
But I just want to say you don't have cancer.
Silly man.
That's right.
vince coglianese
That would be true if I met Cori Bush, right?
She has healing hands.
You know that story?
unidentified
No!
tucker carlson
Wait, stop.
Wait, Cori Bush has healing hands?
vince coglianese
Cori Bush is convinced that she has the ability to heal.
She just placed her hands on you and you're healed.
tucker carlson
I believe that that exists.
vince coglianese
No, but Cori Bush specifically has this power and she's been holding out on us, I think.
tucker carlson
Was Cori Bush the congresswoman who just got beaten in the primaries?
vince coglianese
Yeah, there's a lot of illness all across the country.
Why is she wasting her time not healing it?
tucker carlson
Yeah, what is she doing in a committee meeting when she could be fixing pancreatic?
vince coglianese
Yeah, I thought Biden's whole thing was like curing cancer.
The moonshot initiative.
Hello?
We've got Cori Bush.
tucker carlson
Yeah, hello, cancer rates.
Skyrocketed under Biden.
Quite incredible.
Yeah, amazing.
Wow.
So Don is doing, sorry, just to close out the Don Lamont conversation, he was highly annoyed he told me that I called him Don Lamont.
I thought it was hilarious, and by the way, I said it with affection.
Mr. Lamont is here.
He always reminded me of Ricardo Montalban in Fantasy Island.
Welcome to Fantasy Island.
vince coglianese
It is a better pronunciation.
tucker carlson
I just always pictured him like an ascot.
Like, roll with it.
Like, be who you are.
You know what I mean?
He had a kind of Suave Bolo vibe to him that I found hilarious and kind of charming.
And just be that guy.
Don't give me a lecture about journalism.
You have no idea what it is.
You've never practiced it.
Just, like, be your kind of 70s self.
You know what I mean?
Whatever.
But who is he working for now?
vince coglianese
I have no idea.
I don't know how much money he's generating or what, but...
I guess it's kind of funny because he's complaining about his relationship with Elon Musk and he thought he had some arrangement.
I don't even know what that means.
But he's still producing content and posting it to X. So, whatever.
tucker carlson
My feeling was, and again, I haven't called him, I should, is that he was kind of running out of options.
Again, if you're Don Lamont and you get fired from CNN, how hard would that be?
I mean, how many times did the HR department say when he was hassling female employees, for example, Like, we can't fire this guy.
I'm sorry.
Like, it had to have been pretty bad.
vince coglianese
Yeah, to get that far.
tucker carlson
I think so.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
Yeah, it's pretty amazing.
tucker carlson
So, what Biden's talking tonight at the DNC, what's he going to say?
vince coglianese
I know what he's not going to say, which is he's not going to hold everything that happened to him against his own party.
He's not going to take it out on them.
Suffering the latest indignity to his presidency, which is the sitting president of the United States is speaking on night one of the Democrat convention.
That's as humiliating as it gets.
tucker carlson
You're so right.
vince coglianese
It's the lowest billing place they can put him.
They want to get it done and over with so people don't think about him for the rest of the week.
tucker carlson
Such a good point.
vince coglianese
It's the whole thing.
And they're dressing it up as, oh, it's a theme.
We have him first, and then Obama second, and then Clinton third.
And then Kamala finishes things off.
This is what they want to leave you with.
But realistically, you understand the tactics here.
It's like they want to bury this.
They know they've got to feature him, but they want to bury it on night.
tucker carlson
If the DNC was a fancy restaurant, Biden would be seated right next to the men's room.
vince coglianese
For sure.
tucker carlson
That is not a fashionable table.
vince coglianese
He's in the last row and coach.
tucker carlson
I know, totally.
vince coglianese
Really upset that there's a line for the bathroom next to him.
tucker carlson
He's in a middle seat.
Yeah, that's...
unidentified
I know it's such a good point.
tucker carlson
I mean, he deserves it and so much more, and he'll get what he deserves.
But it does seem like prerequisite for party membership is being willing to set aside your own interests, your own self-respect, your own dignity on behalf of the collective.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
I mean, how bitter do you think he is about this in real life?
tucker carlson
I don't know.
I don't know to what extent he's capable of complex emotions or thoughts like that.
At this stage, because he is impaired.
But I know pretty certainly that his wife and his son and his daughter, you know, feel the sting.
I mean, how could they not?
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
The guy's president of the United States.
He is still president, right?
vince coglianese
But then Obama stabbed him in the back and in the front.
And, you know, Nancy Pelosi stabbed him.
They all did.
They swooped in and they took him out.
And they're not really ashamed of it at all.
They're pretty nakedly brazen about it.
And that's what we're left with.
And it is so fundamentally, at its core, anti-democratic.
It's not about at all about the consent of the governed.
In fact, the primary itself was rigged.
I mean, Biden should have never even been on their primary ballot.
The voters, 14 million, which is not that many people, but 14 million people registered this awesome subject.
And they said, we're with Biden.
But again, it was rigged.
They kept everybody else off the ballot.
They wanted to keep RFK away from it, and Dean Phillips, and anybody who would possibly even deter from Biden gathering votes.
tucker carlson
My pal Jill Stein.
vince coglianese
Yeah, Jill Stein.
unidentified
All of them.
tucker carlson
But can I just ask just about the nature of the Democratic Party?
I don't vote Democrat because I don't agree with them on most things.
Well, now I don't agree with them on anything.
But really, I don't vote Democrat because I don't understand the requirements for membership.
You've got a couple of brothers, parents, wife, child.
I know your family, a very close family.
If somebody said, in order to remain a conservative or a Republican or a radio show host in good standing, you have to denounce your brother Fred.
vince coglianese
Not a chance.
tucker carlson
I think you'd die before you did that.
vince coglianese
Not a chance in the world.
tucker carlson
Right.
That's right.
vince coglianese
Not a chance.
If they told me to reject the tenets of my faith, I wouldn't.
If they told me to attack my family, I wouldn't.
tucker carlson
Under any circumstance.
unidentified
No.
vince coglianese
In fact, that courtesy, that obligation extends to the people I care about who aren't my family members.
tucker carlson
Me too.
Me too.
vince coglianese
So that's like...
tucker carlson
So personal loyalty is more important to you.
Love is more important to you than any human-made structure.
Correct?
vince coglianese
A hundred percent.
tucker carlson
Right.
vince coglianese
A hundred percent.
tucker carlson
But that's not true for partisan Democrats.
vince coglianese
It's not true in the Biden family.
Just look at what they did with Joe.
tucker carlson
I know.
vince coglianese
There's no circumstance where I let my senile grandfather run the country, nevertheless drive a car.
I know.
You take away his license, and you figure out how to take care of him.
How many people do you know where, as they had relative advance to a really late stage of losing their faculties, they had to take their guns away or take their license away?
tucker carlson
That's right.
vince coglianese
It's a super difficult conversation.
But it's one that's done out of immense love.
It's really hard.
And that's not what happened here.
Instead, we all got stuck with the liabilities.
The country, that is.
And, you know, I do think that, obviously, crystal clear, as you've said for so long and I've been saying a long time, there's a lot of string pulling going on with Biden.
You're supposed to comfort yourself with this notion that somebody else is actually running the show.
Don't worry.
The senile guy's not.
But I actually think the most dangerous answer is that he is in charge of some things.
Yeah.
that i think afghanistan in a big way was probably as a result of his senility the fact that we lost all those people 13 and then he gets there to that dignified transfer of remains which should be a dignified transfer remains in delaware and um doesn't for a moment give them the decency that they deserve in light of his decisions about himself and his his own son who died in a rock in a firefight yeah ignores them stares his watch
tucker carlson
it's it's um some of the most offensive things that any of us have ever seen Well, he did something that I saw personally up close several years ago before he ran that I thought was one of the lowest things I've ever seen.
He had this daughter-in-law, his son Hunter's wife, who I thought was a great person.
I thought she was a great person.
And he winds up having an affair with his sister-in-law.
And, you know, obviously this is devastating to his wife and three children.
You know, but these things, you know, whatever, I'm trying to judge, but it's a big deal, right?
And it's a big deal in the neighborhood that we live in in D.C. at the time.
And Joe Biden and his horrible, disgusting, ludicrous, fake doctor wife issue this statement saying, we support Hunter and his new love, you know, our deceased son's widow.
And don't even mention...
His daughter-in-law, who has been a loyal family member for over 20 years, has traveled a lot with Joe Biden because his wife didn't want to go with him.
I saw this.
And, you know, Kathleen Biden's like the mother of their three grandchildren.
Like, this is not my business, someone else's family.
Okay, I generally try not to judge these things.
But he's just a public statement saying we're on the new chick side.
Well, what about this girl is your daughter?
I have a daughter-in-law.
Like, I know that's a really intense and important relationship in a family, particularly The father and his daughter-in-law.
vince coglianese
The mother of your grandchildren?
tucker carlson
Are you joking?
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
And they just ignore her like she never existed?
I thought, I was so offended by that.
I just couldn't believe a man would do that.
vince coglianese
But then they reiterated it with London Roberts.
tucker carlson
She's been a loyal, good daughter-in-law.
vince coglianese
They did the same thing with London Roberts and her daughter, Navy Joan.
You know, they, Hunter's daughter.
You know, just ignoring her existence, not...
Like, actually going out of their way to insult her existence with the whole, like, stockings thing at Christmas.
Like, they won't even hang her name up.
They refuse to acknowledge she exists.
And to this day, I just talked to London Roberts not long ago.
unidentified
We interviewed her.
She put a book out about the subject.
vince coglianese
And it's kind of, she still wants to kind of earn her way into their world, I think.
That's the impression I got.
unidentified
And I don't think she should bother with that at all because, like, they've been pretty clear about what they think of her and the family.
tucker carlson
How could you do that?
How could you do that?
William F. Buckley did that.
His son had an illegitimate child, his grandson.
And William F. Buckley, in his will, said, I'm not, you know, no money for him.
If I'm remembering this correctly, and I'm sorry, I know everyone reveres William F. Buckley, but I just, I lost all respect.
I have no respect for that at all.
If you, your child or grandchild, like, that's really important.
vince coglianese
The grandchild's innocent.
tucker carlson
Well, I totally agree.
vince coglianese
And your blood.
tucker carlson
Yeah, I know.
Sorry.
It's a big deal.
I think Joe Biden is actually a really rotten person, I guess is what I'm saying.
I hate to say that.
And I think it matters what sort of person you are.
I do.
Everyone's like, oh, it doesn't matter.
Well, it matters to me.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
It does matter.
And all of the, like, the, you know, and Trump is a complicated person, of course.
unidentified
For sure.
vince coglianese
And he has moral failings, no question.
But the lies that we're constantly told about, his moral failings are, like, absurd.
The idea that he's trying to personally profit off of the presidency.
All of the available evidence demonstrates the complete opposite.
He's lost billions of dollars in net worth by doing it.
It's endless hassle, endless litigation.
What deal has existed that has enriched him as a result of having been in the presidency?
tucker carlson
Well, he's gotten a lot poorer, for sure.
It does feel to me like he's going to go to jail if he doesn't win.
They're going to put him in jail.
vince coglianese
They're very desperate for that.
tucker carlson
Are they going to put him in jail before?
I keep hearing, people keep sending me this stuff.
vince coglianese
That sentencing date is mid-September.
tucker carlson
That's correct, the 18th, I think.
vince coglianese
And they really want to.
This will come down to, I think, a political assessment.
Because they don't want to martyr him ahead of it.
tucker carlson
Putting a man in jail two months before a presidential election?
No, that's right.
On fake charges?
vince coglianese
That's right.
But that judge, remember, he kept threatening him with all these gag orders and saying, oh, you violated it, violated it.
But he never quite put him in jail, even though he was constantly hanging that thread out there.
I think it's because they became aware during the trial that this was backfiring politically.
So it wasn't just Biden self-immolating.
It was that the public started becoming convinced that Trump really is a victim of a rigged system.
And that was showing up in the polls throughout that process.
And so they have to be cognizant of this.
Now, I won't put it past them.
To do something tyrannical that's against their political interests because they have this overriding desire.
tucker carlson
They can't control themselves.
vince coglianese
Yeah, but it's one of the factors.
It's so unfortunate that that's it.
That's what it's all about.
tucker carlson
It's hard to believe.
Yeah, I guess this is the disadvantage, as I said earlier, of age.
It's like I refuse to believe that could even happen in the United States.
But if it did, I think we could wind up.
vince coglianese
I mean, that close to the election, I don't know if they'll do it.
But here's the thing that still amazes me.
July 13th, Trump was shot in the head this year, in case you were forgetting.
The news cycle lasted maybe a week, maybe two on that subject, and it's evaporated.
It's gone.
Do you?
I mean, I know how quickly news cycles move, and the desire not to talk about that.
I could smell it coming a thousand miles away.
I knew that they would move on.
tucker carlson
The Trump people didn't want to talk about it, to be honest.
Biden's Secret Service allowed Trump to get shot in the face.
They allowed it, whether, you know, intentionally or not.
So, like, why is that not the biggest story in the world?
vince coglianese
But you would think it would be the biggest story all the way through the election.
Like, in, once again, normal America, if a presidential candidate gets shot in the head, you would think that the overflowing of sympathy and certainly all of the media attention on that subject would basically put him on a glide path to the election.
That for the remainder of the election, which is not that much time left.
That we'd be litigating all of this.
How did this happen?
How do we prevent it from happening?
Why did somebody shoot Trump?
The underlying motivations.
Have you noticed there's no conversation about that anymore?
The motive question disappeared in like five seconds.
It was like the Vegas shooter.
It disappeared.
tucker carlson
Well, he was just your average 20-year-old with no social media profile whatsoever.
No motive at all.
No one helped him do it.
And, you know, there was no...
Real security failure at all.
You just couldn't put an agent on a roof with a pitch that steep.
It's pretty conventional stuff.
140 yards from the stage.
But you saw the Biden administration allow an assassination attempt to shooting.
And that's a fact.
They allowed that.
And again, I'm not saying they did it on purpose.
Seems pretty clear they did.
How could that not be on purpose?
But I don't have any proof of that.
But they allowed it.
We can say that conclusively.
And no one ever mentioned it again.
And Republicans don't mention it.
I don't understand why.
vince coglianese
One of the ways I think that they allowed it, because once you're knocking on really important doors, and if you start opening a bunch of them, eventually you get to a place where you're like, man, this is really dark, what we just saw.
tucker carlson
It's so dark.
I agree.
vince coglianese
I think one place that I've been in is that the Biden administration, Is ruthless in how they wield the government politically, as we know, with the United States Department of Justice.
Protection Breaches 00:04:55
vince coglianese
And they resent the fact that Trump gets Secret Service protection at all.
They hate that they have to give him, by virtue of the law as a former president, Secret Service protection.
So to the extent that they give him anything, they're just like, whatever.
We'll send him something.
But protecting him?
Not a priority.
Protecting Dr. Jill when she's doing an event in Pittsburgh in an indoor arena just down the road from Trump, you know, in a really sophisticated way with all the teams necessary to protect her and going above and beyond, 100%.
We'll do that.
tucker carlson
Yeah, the repulsive fake Dr. Harpy wife gets all the bodyguards she wants, but the candidate doesn't.
vince coglianese
But the Secret Service director that she handpicked for the role, Kim Cheadle, because Kim Cheadle served on Jill Biden's detail when she was in the White House originally.
When Joe Biden was vice president.
So they choose Kim Cheadle to run the show.
The last thing they're going to do is concern themselves with how safe is Trump and should we give him what he needs?
Screw that guy.
We'll give him the bare minimum.
Meanwhile, in case you're looking for evidence that Biden and Jill and the Secret Service are political, look no further than RFK. RFK asked for Secret Service protection because he's from the most assassinated family in American political history and because there's actual threats to his life.
And he actually needs it in order to conduct a presidential campaign.
But because they were so petty that they didn't want to dignify his campaign as real, they refused to give him Secret Service protection merely because they didn't want to give him the visual of being considered a presidential candidate.
That's it.
They were just like, screw that guy.
So they're making all these political considerations.
They refuse to give RFK protection.
And then Trump, they barely give him, they give him the B squad and he gets shot in the head.
That's one interpretation of events.
tucker carlson
Yeah, here are a couple of fat girls who don't know how to operate a firearm.
Yeah.
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But is it?
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These companies aren't developing expensive products and just giving them to you because they love you.
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Yeah, it's so overwhelming because if you live in a country where the Secret Service is corrupted, and we clearly do live in that country, then it's like at that point, that's a life or death thing.
That's not the education department.
That's a core function.
vince coglianese
They investigate who left cocaine at the White House, and then they destroy the evidence within weeks.
And they say, the investigation's closed.
There's no chance we'll ever get to the bottom of it.
Tim's Doritos Theory 00:10:53
vince coglianese
They destroyed it.
They didn't keep it.
I mean, how much cocaine could they possibly have had?
It's not like they were running out of real estate.
Like, just keep it in the evidence room, you know?
We can keep this for a while.
We'll keep the case open.
We'll see if we can get some answers.
They destroyed it.
What does that tell you?
tucker carlson
Yeah, it tells you that, like, maybe the one, the agencies that can never be corrupted no matter what, that have to remain as pure as any government agency can remain pure, have been totally, you know, so that would include I'm sorry to say it in your presence.
I know you're a product of a military family, but DOD, FBI, and Secret Service, and of course, CIA and DIA. And they're working really hard to do it to the Supreme Court right now.
Oh, I know.
vince coglianese
They're working very hard to corrupt that institution because it's not serving their power interests, at least not to the extent that they want it to.
And so that needs to be corrupted too.
It's a virus, and it just keeps on spreading.
It just keeps spreading.
And now they're using Kamala as the vehicle for all of this.
unidentified
And she is so dumb.
vince coglianese
She's shockingly dumb.
tucker carlson
Is she?
vince coglianese
You can tell.
Can't you tell?
tucker carlson
Well, she seems...
vince coglianese
Well, she's socially dumb.
She doesn't know how to communicate with people.
tucker carlson
Yes.
vince coglianese
Like, human beings are alien to her.
tucker carlson
Yes.
vince coglianese
And she really doesn't have time for them.
And she tries to figure out a way to condescend to them, and then she just ends up speaking in circles.
tucker carlson
Yes.
vince coglianese
Because she doesn't actually know how to communicate.
tucker carlson
Well, she kissed her husband with a mask on.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
And, you know, as a married person, I looked at that, and I was like, there's kind of no explaining that.
You know, that is sort of the end of any potential respect I had for you.
Kiss your husband with a mask on?
vince coglianese
Tim Walls shakes his wife's hand on stage.
tucker carlson
Well, Tim Walls.
unidentified
I mean, you know, yeah.
tucker carlson
Come on now.
vince coglianese
Walls out for Kamala.
tucker carlson
No.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
I mean, Tim Walls.
I'm sorry.
It's so funny to live in a society where you have to deny obvious things.
I look at Tim Walls and I'm like, oh, I know exactly who you are.
Like instantly.
I went to boarding school.
I know who Tim Walls is.
Big time.
I mean, I actually don't.
I know I have zero actual evidence, but.
Having spent four years in a New England boarding school in the 80s, like, I... You know his type.
Are you kidding?
Oh, yes.
Oh, I had a couple of doormasters like Tim Walz, for sure.
Well, he did start...
Show up in your room late night drunk to talk about stuff?
unidentified
Yeah.
You know, he's like, he's like, he's absurd.
vince coglianese
He's a cartoon character in so many ways.
He is.
A tyrannical cartoon character.
tucker carlson
Well, of course.
vince coglianese
So, like...
He did start the gay club at his high school.
tucker carlson
Oh, I'm very aware of that.
vince coglianese
He started the Gay Straight Alliance.
Totally normal.
tucker carlson
He was just sick of bullying.
He couldn't handle the bullying.
It's just so funny.
vince coglianese
That's funny for a guy who shot his own residence with paintballs for standing on their Porsche.
He established a snitch line during COVID for non-compliance.
tucker carlson
It's all of a piece, I would say.
It's all very consistent with what, I mean, I remember, oh, I could tell you stories.
It was, you know, whatever.
I can't even get into this.
But the bottom line is, I look at Tim Balls and I'm like, I know exactly.
You could have been the doormaster on my hall in 1984, you know, getting all the boys to.
Let's go boxing Sunday morning.
Here's our special athletic supporter that you have to wear.
vince coglianese
But he's a very deceptive human being.
tucker carlson
Oh.
vince coglianese
Everything about him is...
tucker carlson
Does anyone else notice this about Tim Wallace?
I mean, is this...
Again, I shouldn't...
I'm probably way over my skis.
I have zero evidence other than just what seems clear.
Some of the best advice I ever got, which has turned out to be true all these decades later from a really wise person, is like...
Trust your instincts on people.
Okay.
vince coglianese
I mean, he allowed American cities to burn to the ground.
I think you can mock him a little bit.
I think that's allowed.
tucker carlson
I know, you just hate to say things that you can't...
I'm doing heavy implication here, but...
There's something wrong with the guy.
I guess that's just really obvious.
Does it matter?
He's the running mate.
He's the beta.
He's in the bitch seat.
Does it actually matter politically?
Probably not.
vince coglianese
Maybe.
But I just don't want somebody working out their issues while trying to take charge of the country.
unidentified
The whole thing.
tucker carlson
These people are all freaks.
There's not like one person who has a normal, happy, personal life.
And by the way, there are very few on the Republican side.
J.D. Vance is one of them, which is one of the reasons I was so enthusiastic.
The guy was a pretty normal guy, actually.
But I think it really matters.
If you don't go home to some normal relationship that's based on love and respect and honesty, if you're kissing your husband with a mask on or shaking hands with your wife, you're a freak.
And I feel sorry for you, but no, you can't have power.
No power for you, freak.
That's how I feel.
vince coglianese
This weekend, they put Kamala in some small test unscripted moments.
Let's see what she can do with this.
And it all went disastrously.
But one of them was that she was in Pennsylvania.
She stopped at a Sheetz gas station.
Now, when I think Sheetz, I think it's basically, you know, like a Wawa.
It's a touchscreen sandwich shop.
You know, you go and you enter your order and then the sandwich will show up a few minutes later.
Somebody makes it for you.
tucker carlson
I thought it was a gas station.
vince coglianese
Yeah, it's a gas station.
But fundamentally, on the inside, if you're going to visit the indoors of it, you'll get your sandwich there on the touchscreen.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
vince coglianese
Anyone who lives near a Sheetz knows that that's what it's worth.
That's what you do.
Kamala Harris goes into the Sheetz gas station.
She brings Her husband.
And she brings Tim Walls.
Phony Tim Walls.
And they go in together.
And what does she shop for?
A bag of Doritos.
She walks in.
They're like, what are you getting?
What are you getting?
And she's like, Doritos!
She says.
And she walks around like she has no idea where the chips are.
She's like staring all around the store.
She has no idea.
And her husband grabs it.
And she goes...
Oh, Dougie!
And she reaches and she grabs the bag, she pulls them away, she's like, I'll take those!
And she rips them out of her hand.
Rips the Doritos out of his hands.
And then cackles, and she walks off.
Everything about it felt so completely unnatural and controlled.
tucker carlson
Well, I think it's, I mean, I've only been to Sheetz a few times, but the one thing I remember about Sheetz, they have one of the world's, second to Buc-ee's, but one of the world's largest selections of chewing tobacco.
unidentified
Uh-huh.
tucker carlson
Every kind of dip, like, ever, including, like, some you've never, you know, pomegranate-flavored or whatever, I always buy a tin or two there.
I don't know how you could pass by the extensive snuff selection to buy Doritos.
Like, that itself is disqualifying.
vince coglianese
Yeah, and they're not even Cool Ranch.
Like, they're regular Doritos.
Like, I'm not a Doritos person, but I know Doritos aficionados.
tucker carlson
Yeah?
vince coglianese
They're all Cool Ranch people.
tucker carlson
Are they?
I totally believe that.
vince coglianese
Like, the regular Doritos?
Like, what a poser.
And she has no idea what she's doing.
And by the way, you're making me think, I want to see her in Buc-ee's.
I want to see the Kamala Harris-Buc-ee's fusion experience.
I'd love to...
tucker carlson
I doubt there are many people in Buc-ee's.
Buc-ee's is a truck stop in Texas.
I think it's moved to Florida now.
vince coglianese
It's all over the place now.
tucker carlson
Right.
vince coglianese
And they have more gas station bays than any other conventional gas station bays.
tucker carlson
And the cleanest bathrooms, most famously, a candy selection.
I was in there late night.
vince coglianese
You can buy artwork in the bathrooms.
tucker carlson
For real?
Yeah.
vince coglianese
The walls leading into all the bathrooms.
They have artwork on the wall with prices.
So when you're in the bathroom, you can choose art and buy it off the wall.
unidentified
Wow.
vince coglianese
It's pretty cool.
Yeah, it's a cool place.
They make beef jerky and all the fudge you could possibly eat and all the barbecue you could possibly have.
tucker carlson
Tell me about it.
I was in a Bucky's.
We were doing a book tour in like 2018 maybe.
I was on the road.
Emily Lynn is sitting right there.
And I had the driver pull over into Bucky's like three in the morning.
We're driving from like Dallas to Houston.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
And no one had been to Bucky's, and I was like, Bucky's is the greatest?
Because I always buy all the weird chewing tobacco there.
So we're wandering through Bucky's, and I get to the candy area.
I love candy.
And they have like old-fashioned candy.
They've got like walls.
And they had like a thing, like malted milk balls.
It was like $4 for four pounds.
And I'm getting this thing, and Emily comes up and takes my arm, and she's like, I think that's enough.
Thank God you're here.
vince coglianese
That's true.
unidentified
You do need a woman nearby to impose restraint upon you.
tucker carlson
You totally do.
vince coglianese
My wife was kind of rushing me out.
I'm like, but wait.
And you could buy housewares there.
tucker carlson
Oh, 100%.
vince coglianese
And then I would get distracted.
tucker carlson
Basket, barbecue, charcoal.
vince coglianese
And I had my dog in the car with me.
We were traveling this past week or so.
When you have a dog in the car, you put a water bowl usually outside the vehicle on the ground and let the dog drink.
And I didn't need to, because Bucky's had a water fountain for dogs.
Like, they had a regular water fountain, and right on the ground, they had a little unit for dogs, so you could just get the water fountain going, and the dog can drink right from there.
unidentified
I was like, I love it.
tucker carlson
So that's, okay, Bucky's is the kind of capitalism we were promised.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
And BlackRock is the kind that we got.
Right.
And let's get more Bucky's, less BlackRock.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Right?
Yeah.
vince coglianese
Someplace that you enjoy going.
That doesn't sap your soul when you're there.
tucker carlson
That is interested in what you want, is trying to serve you in some way.
Yeah.
You know, is not like buying every house on your street and turning them into rentals, or like really wrecking your life.
vince coglianese
Well, they have a Chick-fil-A style enthusiasm.
tucker carlson
Yes.
vince coglianese
So when you walk in, they say hello, and they like...
tucker carlson
But wasn't that the whole point of market capitalism?
It was going to serve what people wanted.
It was going to respond to the needs and desires of the population.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Not redefine them.
And actually what you...
You don't want grandchildren.
You want a trans kid.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
I don't know how we got there.
No, you don't want that, Vince.
What you want is density in your neighborhood.
You want public housing on your street.
You want that.
And if you don't want that, you're a racist.
vince coglianese
Right, right.
tucker carlson
That's actually what we got.
vince coglianese
Yeah, yeah.
tucker carlson
We got gay race communism, but it was supposed to be Buc-ee's with super clean bathrooms and dog water fountains.
Like, massive malted milk ball supplies and, like, every kind of dip.
Not just, you know, Skoll and Copenhagen, but, like, getting into the serious, esoteric chewing tobaccos.
unidentified
That's right.
vince coglianese
A chewing tobacco for every man.
tucker carlson
Yeah, with no lecturing about it either.
vince coglianese
No, not at all.
tucker carlson
Yeah, I'd like the kiwi fruit dip.
Okay, coming right up, sir.
That's awesome!
vince coglianese
That is awesome.
And no judgment.
I mean, yeah, it's...
I don't know.
I mean, you talk about this a lot, but I just spent the last almost two weeks driving through most of East Coast America.
Suffering Across America 00:04:28
vince coglianese
I was all the way up from Maine to Florida, back and forth.
tucker carlson
Did you really?
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
And what did you think?
vince coglianese
I felt sadness for a lot of what I saw.
Well, actually, I love the country, so I found so much of it to be beautiful.
tucker carlson
And you grew up, your dad was in Marine Corps, or you grew up everywhere.
vince coglianese
Yeah, most of the East Coast.
Hawaii was our one detour away from that.
But almost the East Coast my entire life.
And the country is beautiful.
I love driving through it.
I love seeing how much, you know, so much land.
And there's so much to drive through.
And really neat.
And cool people.
But then, like, you see so many communities where things are, like, completely falling apart.
Completely.
tucker carlson
What were the signs of that?
vince coglianese
Like, all of the elements get through your home.
You know?
The roofs are falling apart.
You know, the water clearly must pour in every time it rains.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Oh, so it's not just you saw junkies at a gas station.
It's like you saw people with holes in their roofs.
vince coglianese
Yeah, yeah.
All over the place.
tucker carlson
Like actual poverty.
If there's a hole in your roof, you're impoverished.
I think we can say that.
vince coglianese
If your house is leaning over, you know, you've got a real issue.
You live in a death trap.
unidentified
So, yeah, there's a lot of that out there.
vince coglianese
And should you, if you...
And I saw, by the way, in a lot of those yards, I saw Trump flags as a political measure.
tucker carlson
So we're paying for the pensions, the guaranteed retirement of bureaucrats in the Ukraine who work for the corrupt government of Ukraine, run by the anti-American, anti-Christian Zelensky.
We're paying the retirement.
We're paying the civil servants of Ukraine.
vince coglianese
The whole government.
unidentified
Everybody.
vince coglianese
We're paying for businesses in Ukraine to stay open.
tucker carlson
Really?
vince coglianese
Yeah, I'm almost, I gotta go back to my notes, but I had a piece a while ago about this, and I keep notes every day for my radio show, and I remember I shared this on the air, that we were paying, I think, subsidies to keep small businesses open in Ukraine.
So yeah, we're paying for everything.
tucker carlson
It's so grotesque, it's hard to metabolize it, but you drove through our own country in the last two weeks, and you see people who don't have patched roofs.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
vince coglianese
And so, like, The country's not doing well is an understatement.
And there's lots of people who are suffering.
And that's why we kind of glanced off of the economic discussion earlier, but I really think it matters that we are at a point right now where the country is at over a trillion dollars in credit card debt.
This is a record.
We've never had this much credit card debt in our nation's history.
And credit card debt is totally destructive.
You're looking at, you know, 16, 18, 20, 22, 25% rates.
tucker carlson
Yeah, close to 30. Yeah, on these.
vince coglianese
And that means, you know, people are being destroyed.
And they can't make ends meet.
The unemployment numbers are all a scam.
tucker carlson
Wait, can I just ask, we used to put people in prison back when the mafia was offering loans at lower interest rates than those.
vince coglianese
Yeah, usury.
tucker carlson
Yeah, usury.
And loan sharking, we called it.
Yeah.
All these sort of nice Italian guys wind up in jail.
But it's cool when the credit card companies do that.
How does that work?
vince coglianese
Joe Biden.
tucker carlson
Yeah, you're right.
vince coglianese
The senator from Delaware making that happen.
That's how that works.
But people are in massive amounts of debt and the unemployment numbers are a scam because really what they represent is that there are people working multiple part-time jobs to make ends meet.
That's what that means.
So all this stuff about like, oh, unemployment is slow.
No, it's not.
People are working multiple jobs in order to pay for just how expensive their lives have been.
tucker carlson
And all the employment gains have been among immigrants.
All of them.
I mean, net zero gains among native-born Americans.
vince coglianese
Yeah, native-born Americans losing jobs.
Immigrants, foreign-born workers gaining all.
So it's, you know, my cousin E.J. Antony is, I think, the single best economist on this subject.
tucker carlson
Yes.
vince coglianese
And he's just been amazing on it.
And he's not...
All of the available evidence demonstrates he's right.
And no American needs a government report to tell them that they're miserable, by the way.
I love that the media sort of waits for unemployment reports to tell, like Don Lemon, like telling you you shouldn't be miserable.
No, the data says that you're not miserable, you're fine.
Like, what?
All of that government stuff is, one, cooked, and two, a trailing indicator of what's actually happening.
Tsa Conditions Compliance 00:03:48
tucker carlson
But a drive from, where did you go?
Like, you went from where to where in the United States?
vince coglianese
I was, so, I was...
Uh, in, from Greenville, Maine was as far north as I was.
tucker carlson
Great place.
vince coglianese
All the way to southwest Florida.
unidentified
Wow.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
And so, I got to see a bunch of places.
I was in, um, I was in the Atlanta area.
I went to Jackson.
tucker carlson
And you drove that whole way.
vince coglianese
I flew some of it at the beginning.
And then I drove most of it.
I drove, uh, in order to get to Maine, I flew into Boston.
I drove the four and a half hours, whatever it is, to Greenville.
Uh, I was in Atlanta.
I was driving in the Atlanta suburbs.
I went to Southwest Florida, drove all the way up, you know, past Tampa, went to Jacksonville, Florida, drove from there, went to coastal North Carolina, drove from there back to Washington, D.C., and I flew to be here with you.
And so get to see a lot of places.
And like I said, it's a beautiful country, but it's disturbing how much of it is in disrepair.
And like, you just think to yourself, there's a part of you that's like...
I don't know what you could possibly do to get things back on track.
tucker carlson
I don't fly very much at all.
I try not to travel at all.
But I've taken a couple of flights recently, commercial flights, and I'm shocked by the airports.
And I'm shocked by how disorganized they are, the TSA screening.
I don't remember it being that bad.
I've taken about four years off from really flying that much.
And then I thought to myself, wow, I didn't know how degrading and stupid this was.
I'd forgotten how degrading and stupid it was.
And then I thought, you know, the people making decisions about the way this country is run, they don't have any contact with us.
There's no donor to either party who flies commercial.
Nobody flies commercial with money in this country.
It's crazy.
I grew up in a rich area.
In a world of rich people, everyone flew commercial.
Nobody had a plane.
Nobody.
Now everybody flies private.
It's crazy.
And one of the effects of that is people who are making these decisions, we're paying for these politicians, they just don't know.
They don't see it at all.
And they definitely don't drive, you know, from Tampa to coastal North Carolina and then D.C. They just don't.
Do you think that has some effect?
vince coglianese
That has a huge bearing.
I mean, look, TSA conditions the rest of us to be compliant.
I mean, that's like, so, If that's not your experience, you kind of feel like you're in front.
tucker carlson
What is the facial that you stare into a camera?
This happened to me yesterday.
I had to fly yesterday or two days ago.
And they're like, will you look into there?
I was like, no, thank you.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
But you don't have to?
Like, what is that?
I'm sorry.
I know I'm showing how out of touch I am.
I just don't travel very much.
vince coglianese
It's just security theater.
And like, you know, what is, first of all, what is the ID checker assessing?
What are they doing?
Like a compelling background check on you or something?
You know, what's your history of terrorism?
I mean, the whole thing is really stupid and degrading and super annoying.
Like, why am I standing in line to get on a flight?
tucker carlson
It was all 9-11.
George W. Bush created all of this right after 9-11, and we had to because there was an imminent threat, and we were under attack by terrorists.
And then you fast forward 23 years later, and the Taliban still run Afghanistan.
They're way better armed with our money, and their infrastructure is much better because we built it, and they're still in charge.
And we're left in this decaying country with fewer civil liberties having to be humiliated at the freaking airport.
Why shouldn't we see all the 9-11 documents?
If anything justifies another January 6th, which is to say people just moving up to the Capitol and demanding something, why wouldn't it be seeing those documents?
That event changed this country.
Profoundly and forever.
Brave Acts Under Pressure 00:11:40
vince coglianese
Yes.
tucker carlson
We're its citizens.
We pay for it.
It's being done in our name.
And we can't know what exactly happened because why?
vince coglianese
And it's changed in really stupid, tyrannical, and official ways.
tucker carlson
But predictable ways.
vince coglianese
So like TSA doesn't catch anything, right?
So they do their annual screenings where they practice, like, will you catch the weapons that we put through?
They put actual weapons through the x-ray machines, and the TSA agents don't catch them.
Their fail rate is astronomical.
tucker carlson
Really?
vince coglianese
Yeah.
They're not actually even catching the things that they're tested on.
And we're all subjected to do this as if it's keeping us safe, which, of course, it isn't.
Why are we doing this?
Like, I would settle for, if you want to make one modification, locks on the cockpit door.
Totally fine.
I'm good with that.
Beyond that, why are we doing the rest of this?
I'm willing to take the risk.
I am.
I'd rather live in that world.
It's a happier world.
It's more spiritually compelling.
And it demonstrates, you know, like a cohesive society.
You don't need that.
And in fact, the more they make the society more chaotic, the more they justify all of this.
You know, the more that they import incompatible cultures and, you know, make everyone live in squalor.
Like, eventually, they're increasing social distrust so much that they're offering a justification for the system that they've built.
tucker carlson
That's right.
It's self-licking ice cream cone.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
What happens at the Democratic National Convention this week?
vince coglianese
Well...
I think it's going to be a big demonstration.
If you're clear thinking about this, if you stare at it and you're just like objective, what you're going to witness is chaos.
You're witnessing, first of all, why are they doing it in Chicago?
What world do you appeal to the broad American middle by having a Democrat convention in Chicago, Illinois?
tucker carlson
Because none of us can ever, during the course of our lifetimes, escape the year 1968. Everything is in reference to that year.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
And so, I just, why not?
I mean, they should have another march across the Edmund Pettus Bridge, too.
I mean, everything is like, everything is a replay of that period.
It's weird.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
And so now Kamala Harris is the nominee, amazingly.
By the way, this whole convention's fake because she was made the nominee weeks ago, in secret, in an online vote.
So this whole thing is like a scam.
Everything about it is a facade.
Even the votes are fake because the votes were taken weeks ago.
tucker carlson
Yes.
vince coglianese
All to foreclose on the obvious chaos that's going to happen anyway.
We're already seeing it.
tucker carlson
That's right.
vince coglianese
I mean, like, and this is, you know, God, I want Republicans to be so much better than they are.
But insofar as they exist now, the way they do, Milwaukee was like placid.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
vince coglianese
It was peaceful.
It was orderly.
It was compelling.
tucker carlson
It was great, actually.
vince coglianese
Great speakers.
I mean, you were there.
tucker carlson
You saw it.
vince coglianese
You had better billing than Joe Biden does.
tucker carlson
I didn't think that I wasn't planning to go, actually, at all.
I didn't want to go.
I've been to every convention since 96. I didn't want to go to any more conventions.
They asked me to speak.
I wasn't going to do it.
Then I was like, I should do that and make myself do it.
I loved it.
I had, like, the best time ever.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
Why?
tucker carlson
Because I liked the vibe.
I like the people.
I mean, obviously, I've been around it my whole life, so I saw everyone I've ever met was there.
But also, I thought it was a happy, happy, happy time.
And I think it really, Trump survived getting shot in the face.
And that...
vince coglianese
That's motivating.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
I mean, that just changed everything.
I know it feels like that was 40 years ago, but it was last month that that happened.
It was...
It was just it was happy anyway it was a great time I thought so they always tell you it's the most important election of your lifetime but of course this one actually is that's demonstrable and it's also because it is so important being censored at every level by the tech companies so we were thinking about this a couple of months ago and we thought why not get on the road live in front of actual people live audiences coast to coast a nationwide tour where we can't be censored That'd be good.
It would also be fun.
So we're doing it.
We're going to be on stage with some of our friends, some of the most fascinating people we know, the most recognizable people we know, responding to what is happening in America this September in real time.
It'll be just like the podcast, but it's going to be live.
So we're excited to announce our friend Larry Elder is coming to join us in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
Our friend John Rich will be there with us in Sunrise, Florida.
We're adding more stops.
We just added another stadium show in Redding, Pennsylvania.
We'll be joined on stage by Alex Jones.
They tell you what Alex Jones is like.
Have you seen him in person?
You should.
Make up your own mind.
It's going to be fun as hell and interesting and intense, and we hope you will join us.
Go to TuckerCarlson.com right now to get your tickets.
See you there.
vince coglianese
After Trump got shot, I realized I liked him more.
tucker carlson
Yep.
vince coglianese
And my views about him became less complex.
tucker carlson
I agree.
vince coglianese
Did you have the same sense?
Like, in other words, like...
I always try and maintain some objective distance.
Like, I don't like about this guy.
I wish he would do this differently.
I wish he didn't do that.
I wish he hired better people.
Whatever criticism you want to level against him.
And by the way, you should.
It's your right as an American to do that because the end goal should be to make him better.
And Trump is the rare politician who actually does listen to people no matter their station in life, no matter where they come from.
He's actually interested in what you think.
So that's a good sign.
He'll actually change when given advice.
But my views about him became less complex after that.
I was like, I really like this guy, legitimately.
tucker carlson
I agree.
vince coglianese
Because what he displayed was unusual and aspirational.
Did you feel like that?
tucker carlson
I felt that way really strongly.
I hate complaining.
I don't think men should complain.
I really mean that.
It's one of my core beliefs.
It's how I was raised, and I will never shake that belief, that conviction that, you know, stop complaining.
Like, what did you think this was?
And I will never not admire physical courage.
I just admire that.
And I want to have it myself.
I don't know if I do.
I haven't been tested very often in my life.
But I would like to think that if I was ever shot in the way that Trump was, that I would behave as manfully as he did.
I don't know that I would.
You can't know.
But he did.
He was tested in a way that was very meaningful to me.
Leaving aside the politics, but all of a sudden you're talking and...
Dang!
You get hit with something.
It's clearly a bullet.
You don't know if you're dead or not.
unidentified
Yes.
tucker carlson
And then you stand up and...
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
I just...
That's the acid test for me because it really matters what you're like as a person.
It matters to me.
I'm not a Democrat.
I don't care about your stupid party.
And it's...
The point of the exercise is not to huddle together for increased power.
Because I don't feel powerless as a person.
I have a family.
I don't need a party to make me feel whole, unlike liberals.
And so what really matters to me is what you're like.
And do you have virtue?
And, you know, Trump is a mixed bag on that question.
But part of virtue is bravery.
It's a big part of virtue, actually, it turns out.
Much bigger than I understood as a younger man.
And he's brave.
Like, actually brave.
Not fake brave.
Oh, he's so brave.
Oh, they're so courageous.
Kamala's so courageous.
She's a coward.
She's terrified.
She's clearly terrified.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
And he's not.
And that, like, okay, I'm voting for the guy who's brave over the coward.
Yeah.
vince coglianese
And on Trump being a mixed bag in terms of, like, virtue and things.
I always remember...
tucker carlson
Let me just say, I'm a mixed bag on virtue.
vince coglianese
We all are.
tucker carlson
Right!
So I thought, okay.
vince coglianese
In fact, that's a Christian admission.
tucker carlson
Well, it's a true admission.
vince coglianese
Here's the thing.
I always think about my dad, who you mentioned, is a Marine Corps officer.
And at one point, he worked very closely, as you do, with the chaplain in his unit, a guy, great American, who has the same name twice.
His name is Alan Allen.
Chaplain Alan Allen.
And he's a great human being.
And my dad was once complaining to him about...
You know, various chaplains in the military and how some of them are not so impressive and he wishes they were better and more Christian and had more virtue and that kind of thing.
And he said, he said, Vinny, I think they were the same rank.
He said, Vinny, remember, Jesus chose 12 sinners to follow him.
tucker carlson
That's right.
vince coglianese
12 sinners.
And he was right about that.
And I always keep that in mind.
It's like, before I start judging other people for their moral feelings.
tucker carlson
Oh, I agree.
vince coglianese
The people who were tasked with advancing the greatest message humanity's ever known had immense failings.
Paul murdered Christians.
tucker carlson
Peter was a coward.
Denied Jesus three times, as predicted, because he was too afraid.
I agree, completely.
The most important apostle.
vince coglianese
God chooses unusual vehicles.
tucker carlson
I think that's right.
In a time where reality itself is hard to identify or even define, in a digital world, in an AI world, it's hard to know what is real.
Everyone is struggling with this.
One thing that is absolutely real is that when you're shot in the face unexpectedly, we can see something deep about who you are.
And we saw Trump live on camera.
We saw something about him that was just remarkable.
It was absolutely remarkable.
vince coglianese
It was animal.
It was like in a good way.
It was just like, he just, it was great.
It was totally great.
tucker carlson
And I must say, I talked to him that night and the night he was shot, that Saturday night maybe?
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
I think.
And I was in Maine, but I talked to him and he didn't, I mean, he didn't mention anything about himself.
That's just a fact.
I mean, look, I'm not flacking for Trump.
This is just a fact.
It was like, did you see the crowd?
They were so brave.
They didn't run.
That's the first thing he said.
I was like, wow.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
They also saved his life.
Because the people who were outside the perimeter who began shouting up about Thomas Crooks being on the roof, the Trump supporters, they were the only ones who were raising the loud alarm about what was happening.
And they were the predicate to that cop getting his head over the roof.
And scaring Thomas Crooks into taking action at that moment.
tucker carlson
It's so perfect, though.
It's like only the Trump voters are willing to notice the obvious.
vince coglianese
Yes.
tucker carlson
They haven't been trained to deny what their senses perceive.
vince coglianese
No.
In fact, their senses...
tucker carlson
Like, wait, there's a guy on the roof with a gun!
What?
vince coglianese
In fact, their senses are elevated to the peril.
tucker carlson
Yeah, no, that's right.
vince coglianese
And they can smell it.
And so it's not just some looky-loo who's up on the roof who's just trying to see what's going on on the stage.
They're worried about Trump's safety.
And they're yelling out, he's on the roof!
He's on the roof!
Officer!
They're screaming.
They saved Trump's life.
Every element of that, I know we keep returning to this, but it's such an amazing moment in history.
tucker carlson
It is amazing.
vince coglianese
Every element of it conspired to save him.
Every element of it.
From the people shouting, the cop getting his head above the roof, the frenzied rush to take the shot by Thomas Crooks as a result, Trump's head turned towards a chart, saying moments before, take me off teleprompter, I don't even care, I'm going to do the chart.
And just all of those things, they conspired in a way that can only be divine.
That can only be the product of divine intervention.
And I saw that, and so I had simpler views about Trump after that, and I had more grateful views about God after that.
tucker carlson
I agree with both those things.
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tucker carlson
I talk about myself way too much as it is, but I try not to because I think it's such an unattractive, the most unattractive quality in a man.
I think if I was shot like he was shot, I'd be, like, talking about myself.
Like, oh, I can't believe I got shot!
And Trump, who's, like, famously, everyone's like, Trump's such a narcissist.
He didn't mention, well, at least when I talked to him, he didn't mention himself.
It was only about the audience.
vince coglianese
Yeah, wow.
tucker carlson
And there's no one else listening to this conversation.
Well, other than, obviously, NSA's listening to it.
vince coglianese
Besides them, yeah.
tucker carlson
Yeah, besides criminals.
But anyway, but he's not doing it for an audience, just me.
No expectation, I'll repeat it.
You know what I mean?
And he didn't mention himself.
It's only about the other people.
And I thought, man, I just thought it was so revealing.
It was in a way that's not fakeable.
You know, AI didn't do that.
vince coglianese
Yeah, it's cool.
And then you talked about that at the convention.
I did.
Which was cool.
Yeah, I believe that was the substance of your remarks talking about what he was like.
Oh.
tucker carlson
I ad-libbed that speech, so I actually have no memory!
vince coglianese
So I guess it renders moot the following question.
I wonder, is there any point, do you ever give a speech where you feel the gravity of it, or are you at the point where you're so used to giving speeches that even speaking on the Republican convention stage with every network in the United States concentrated on your remarks, none of that?
tucker carlson
Oh, I felt the gravity of it.
Well, in the sense that they told me to write a speech.
I mean, I'm a writer, I can...
I've certainly written a lot, but I don't write—speech is the one thing.
I just don't write speeches.
I never have one time in my life.
But I felt like, well, I want to be the obedient little bitch or whatever.
I want to do what I'm told, I guess.
I don't know.
vince coglianese
I knew you weren't going to write it.
tucker carlson
I knew it.
I actually— I knew it.
vince coglianese
In fact, I told you, as soon as I heard that you were given an address, I said, he's not going to write it.
He's just going to do it.
tucker carlson
Well, I made a good faith effort, and I— There was no sauna at my hotel, so I said I can't write, obviously, without my sauna.
But I did actually spend like eight hours fretting about it and trying to write it on my iPhone.
And then I was like, I can't write a speech for myself.
I could write a speech for someone else, but...
vince coglianese
I gotta say.
tucker carlson
Whatever, I'm not going to, so I didn't.
vince coglianese
Guys, I know you're a good writer, obviously.
Your whole career has been writing.
Even when you were on television, I would laugh at people and be like, I wish Chuck were back to writing.
I'm like, I don't think you're familiar with what he's doing on a daily basis.
He's literally writing all the time.
I just knew that you wouldn't do it because it's just, I don't know, maybe it's your ego.
You're going to give this speech off teleprompter and you're just going to say what's on your mind.
And I knew kind of reflexively, there's no, this is the one venue.
tucker carlson
It's just.
vince coglianese
Honestly, I kind of thought, like, you're just like, no, screw you, I'm not doing a speech.
I'm not writing a speech.
tucker carlson
Well, ultimately, I said that in a much more polite way to all the staff at the, you know, the really nice people who are, you know, doing the run-through and whatever.
And I was like, I just can't do this.
No, I don't like to write speeches because then you don't learn anything.
There's something about speaking in conversation or...
I really believe that words...
Spoken words have spiritual power.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
What does that even mean?
I'm not sure what it means.
The Word, I guess, is Jesus, but that's the beginning of John.
But there's something about we tell the truth.
We don't just know the truth or believe the truth.
We tell the truth.
There's something about using the one thing that we have that the rest of the animal kingdom doesn't have, which is the power of speech that makes Things real and that gives them power.
Anyway, I find that when I talk, and I think everyone finds this if you think about it, that saying something out loud allows you to understand things.
Like, you learn.
In other words, we think of language as something that we use to inform or educate others.
I'm going to tell you something.
I do it for a living.
vince coglianese
Rawr!
tucker carlson
Here are my views!
But what we miss is that we're being educated, too.
Like, we're learning.
The speaker is learning as he speaks.
Well, do you ever experience this?
vince coglianese
Words have immense power, for sure.
For the reasons you just laid out.
tucker carlson
But they change the speaker, not just the listener!
vince coglianese
And they, yeah.
And especially, like, you know, when you repeat something over and over, it establishes a groove in your mind so that you kind of can draw upon it to use it again.
So speaking is very helpful in that way.
You know, repetition is a good way to learn anything.
But if you're deprived of the tools, it's disorienting.
tucker carlson
What does that mean?
vince coglianese
Meaning, like, the left's current program, which has been a program for a while that many of us were late to detect.
tucker carlson
Shut up racist.
vince coglianese
Was to change language in such a way.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
vince coglianese
Shut up racist is a perfect example.
To change language in such a way that you can't even think clearly about what's going on.
That reality is so distorted by your lack of vocabulary.
Or by your distorted vocabulary that you're incapable of resolving the problem.
You can smell that there's a problem, but you don't actually know how to navigate out of it.
This is like gender-affirming care is a perfect example of that.
Gender-affirming.
First of all, it's already a lie because it's establishing that your body is a mistake and that what is correct is for you to mutilate it.
unidentified
It's like, what?
tucker carlson
We're just affirming something that preexisted in this decision.
vince coglianese
And you scare people into compliance, and then they begin to lose the vocabulary necessary to untangle it, right?
tucker carlson
Orwell wrote about this at length.
vince coglianese
Yes, totally.
And he was the best at writing about it.
And that's why it matters so much, because it's mind control.
tucker carlson
Yes.
vince coglianese
Words are mind control.
tucker carlson
100%.
vince coglianese
And the ability to speak to an audience and then to, first of all, learn for yourself, but also to detect what they're actually picking up.
tucker carlson
Yes.
vince coglianese
Is a skill that you have, for sure, and has made you successful.
unidentified
It's a skill that Kamala Harris does not have.
vince coglianese
That's the skill she doesn't have.
She doesn't have that skill.
She can't do it.
She can't talk to an audience and see that they're receiving her.
She doesn't know what they're receiving.
She can't read their body language.
She doesn't know, like, how to change her tone.
Have you ever noticed she tells these jokes, nobody laughs, and then she cackles to herself?
tucker carlson
Yes.
vince coglianese
It's because she isn't able to connect on a human level because...
She's not all that interested in what they're saying through their expressions, through their reactions.
tucker carlson
Well, she's certainly missing out on one of life's greatest and richest experiences, which is to feel the vibe of other people.
I mean, that's kind of the only reason to be alive, really.
And it's like the most beautiful, great, fun thing ever.
And speaking in public is the easiest thing you could ever do.
Can't worry about it.
And as long as you don't worry about it, everyone would be great at it, actually, including Kamala Harris.
I don't know her.
I've never even met her.
I have relatives who know her, actually.
You know, whenever they say she's kind of amusing, they don't hate her.
Yeah.
But she's obviously terrified.
She's obviously afraid.
I look at her, I'm like, ooh, you're afraid.
vince coglianese
She's scared to death.
tucker carlson
She's scared to death.
That's the first thing I register when I see her.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
That woman is afraid because she knows that she's fraudulent.
vince coglianese
Like a caged animal that will hurt someone.
tucker carlson
Well, she's a fascist, no doubt.
No one ever mentions that.
Biden just had 50 years of life in Washington, kind of the precedent of how things are done in a restrained republic kind of seeped into him.
She's coming from a different world.
She's coming from California, which is post-political.
It's a one-party state.
And she has no problem using force at all.
And all the fascists around her are the same.
But I do feel sorry for Kamala Harris.
Again, I don't know where I'm just making these judgments on the basis of watching her, but I feel like this is someone who can't admit who she really is, what she really thinks, and is really, really afraid, and you feel sorry for people like that.
vince coglianese
Yes.
Which is why I loved Trump at the National Association for Black Journalists.
tucker carlson
When he went, I don't think you're allowed to love that.
vince coglianese
Oh, I loved it.
tucker carlson
You're supposed to disapprove.
vince coglianese
I adored it.
And here's why.
tucker carlson
Tell me.
vince coglianese
So think about the weeks leading up to that.
The weeks leading up to it put the Trump campaign on its heels because, one, the narrative was so disrupted by the fact that they just replaced Joe with Kamala.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
vince coglianese
And then the media went all in on selling her.
It was like, she's so great.
She's wonderful.
tucker carlson
It's all about joy, Vince.
vince coglianese
And then they adopted this line of attack that J.D. Vance and Donald Trump are weird.
Remember this?
tucker carlson
Very well.
Yeah.
vince coglianese
Okay, so.
They're like, weird.
Now, I love laughing that off because of how absurd the use of that word coming from those people is.
tucker carlson
The abortion worshippers are telling you J.D. Vance is weird.
vince coglianese
Yeah, the men in dresses crew.
Like, oh yeah, it's so weird.
Okay, okay.
tucker carlson
Here's our tranny admiral.
Not weird.
vince coglianese
But you have to be honest enough to admit it's an effective line of attack.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
vince coglianese
Insofar as it's the kind of thing that it's like the language of the teenage girl.
It's like it doesn't require A deep assessment of what's going on.
You use weird.
It's a way to make somebody toxic, and it's effective.
It's an effective weapon.
So there's going to be a category of voter that definitely cares a lot about the policies, and specifically the ways in which they affect them and their bottom line.
But there are also broad categories of voters who really do kind of ride the vibes of an election.
Who is this person?
And I don't mean vote switchers.
I mean whether or not they'll show up to the polls at all.
And so, okay, weird's one line of attack.
What's the line of attack on Kamala?
She's a phony.
She's fraudulent.
tucker carlson
She's a fake.
vince coglianese
Now, if Trump gets up on a stage and he goes, Kamala Harris is a phony, does CNN cover that?
Does the New York Times put her on A1? Does, you know, Washington Post, any of these news outlets?
No.
But if Trump goes on stage and goes, she's black?
Like, five minutes ago she was Indian, now she's black?
I don't know.
I love them both, but somebody's got to answer that question.
Everyone went crazy.
tucker carlson
I know.
vince coglianese
And it was perfect.
And the reason it was perfect was because it forced all of the places that hate Trump to carry his remarks.
And it fed an underlying, the subtext of that entire exchange is, Kamala Harris is a phony.
And it implants it right into the lifeblood of the United States.
Like, people get to see it, no matter where you consume it.
tucker carlson
I wish they'd done that with Obama.
He...
I mean, he's half white, raised by white people.
He's more white than he is black.
Yeah.
Culturally, and he is exactly one half white.
vince coglianese
Sure.
tucker carlson
So why did Republicans not say our half white president or half black president?
Like, why do they have to be like the first black president and just buy into the lie?
It's a lie.
And it gave him moral power because it, you know, made him, it gave him claim to the civil rights movement, which is like the one sort of, Holy story in American history.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Supposedly.
Self-a-lie.
But whatever.
Everyone's been taught that.
And he got to lay claim to that.
But no one also had the balls to puncture it.
vince coglianese
But also, like Kamala, his family didn't come from, wasn't in the United States.
unidentified
Oh, I'm aware.
tucker carlson
The whole thing was fraudulent.
But just as a factual matter, as a genetic matter, I'm not attacking anybody, obviously.
I'm just saying, like, he's half-white.
But no one—that was considered so outrageous.
That'd be like, white lives matter, or all lives matter.
Another demonstrably, factually true phrase that became a criminal offense, literally a criminal offense.
Like, the FBI investigated people for saying white lives matter.
And nobody pushed back.
vince coglianese
And these categories don't exist for any practical sort of descriptive reason.
They only exist for political power, because, like, you know, if you call Elon Musk an African-American, like, people are like— That's a total violation.
You're not allowed to say that, despite the fact that he is.
George Carlin once cited this.
If you come from Egypt, you're an African-American.
Are we allowed to say that?
If you're an Egyptian, are you called somebody an African?
No, not in American political discourse.
tucker carlson
But what does it mean allowed?
Why not just tell the truth?
Why are we such cowards?
If you allow lies to go unchallenged, they harden.
And then they become...
You know, they become the instruments of torture that you'll suffer under.
That's a fact.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
So, like, why are we playing along with this?
unidentified
We shouldn't.
tucker carlson
What cowards are we?
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
I never called Obama.
I was on TV every day of the Obama administration.
I never said our half-white press, he's half-black, which is a fact.
Like, I didn't have the balls to say that.
What's wrong with me?
unidentified
Yeah.
vince coglianese
And, like, you like how, like, people get mad if Trump refers to him as Barack Hussein Obama.
He'll say, Barack Hussein Obama, which is actually his middle name.
unidentified
Yeah.
And you're like, how racist is he for saying that?
tucker carlson
Why am I playing by your rules anyway?
vince coglianese
Because somebody was named Saddam Hussein.
Now I can't say Barack Hussein Obama.
Like, what is that?
tucker carlson
It actually matters, though.
If you decide that you're going to lie because someone is, quote, making you, like, whose fault is that?
It's yours.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
Yeah.
And there's a lot of that going on, unfortunately.
tucker carlson
So I keep interrupting you.
Is going to be the theme of this convention.
It starts today.
vince coglianese
I mean, it's going to be...
I mean, you'll see the chaos on the outside, but on the inside, you're going to be served an endless stream of lies about the current state of our country.
They'll tell you that the misery that exists within it is not actually happening, that people are far happier, that things are fine.
Also, you're going to get this weird...
tucker carlson
So she's going to run as the incumbent, basically.
vince coglianese
They want everything.
They want it both ways because they're going to lie to you about the current state of affairs.
And then they're going to tell you what her day one agenda is as if she didn't have power to begin with.
unidentified
Right.
vince coglianese
So they're doing and the Trump campaign has been great on this.
They said her day one was three and a half years ago.
So let's stop pretending that it's starting.
tucker carlson
So that's why I mean, they could make her president.
I mean, they could 25th Amendment Biden.
I mean, they basically already have an effect, if not literally, but they could just make her president.
They probably by all rights should because she does seem non senile.
um But they won't because they don't want her to have to take responsibility for the current state of the country.
That's my guess.
I don't know.
vince coglianese
Yeah, or they're so wrapped up in the idea that, oh, we shouldn't give it to her this way because we give it to her what the election is more legitimate or something.
The woman shouldn't have to be made president by virtue of the 25th Amendment.
The first woman president!
We settled on her.
I don't know what their thinking is on that.
tucker carlson
Oh, are they doing the first woman thing?
vince coglianese
They're doing the first everything.
tucker carlson
Really?
vince coglianese
Yeah, of course.
Oh, my goodness.
That's going to be a big theme this week.
tucker carlson
First woman?
vince coglianese
The first woman president?
tucker carlson
Yeah.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
It's just crazy that, like, since we've already established that there's no definition of woman, like, why should I care?
Tell me why I should care.
vince coglianese
100%.
tucker carlson
You don't, I mean, there's no such thing as a woman.
So, like, why is it meaningful that we have one as president?
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
And there's no difference between a woman and a man.
None.
They can be Navy SEALs.
So, like, what's the significance of this?
vince coglianese
There is none anymore.
I mean, they've erased—the attacks on women that have been led by Biden and Harris are, I think, unprecedented, actually, in American history.
Black Voters and Drop Boxes 00:07:07
vince coglianese
I mean, if—this is another area where it's like, Republicans really should sink their teeth into this in every possible way.
tucker carlson
So stupid.
vince coglianese
But Title IX? Yeah.
The fact that the Biden administration came along and said that women are not a real category— And that men can be in their locker rooms and take their sports teams and all of those things.
Why isn't there like a non-stop campaign against that atrocity?
There should be.
Like, why do we have women's sports then?
What's the point of that?
Why do we have any separate category for women to participate and succeed on an equal playing field?
We shouldn't under that notion.
And so the Biden administration is leading an all-out assault on the very existence of women.
tucker carlson
Right.
vince coglianese
And then, of course, once the credit for the first woman president, should that occur?
So it's incoherent, obviously.
tucker carlson
It's totally incoherent.
vince coglianese
It's got all the markers of Marxism as it presents itself throughout history.
tucker carlson
Which is just deceptive to its core.
It's shape-shifting.
There are no fixed meanings to anything.
It's just, I need to be in power, you need to obey, and those are the only immutable rules.
vince coglianese
Yep, yep.
tucker carlson
I mean, it is very much like, my body, my choice, here, take the COVID vax or I'll kill you.
Wait, what?
I thought it was my body, my choice.
No.
Only when you're killing your kids, not when you're enforcing some...
vince coglianese
Yeah, it's every single...
I mean, it's like...
tucker carlson
I almost called it poison, but I would be censored by YouTube if I did that.
So I just want to be clear, I'm not calling any substance that was federally mandated poison.
unidentified
Okay.
vince coglianese
Good.
Thank you for that.
And so, I mean, it's like guns, too.
They're the same way on guns that, you know, you don't need them, but we do.
They'll protect us.
It's all...
tucker carlson
Is she going to get elected?
vince coglianese
Kamala Harris?
Yeah.
I think it's a lot closer than I want it to be.
tucker carlson
There are 30 states that are going to be filled with drop boxes?
vince coglianese
That seems like a problem.
And, you know, there have been some positive advances, like banning Zuckerbergs in 27 states.
You saw states like Georgia and Texas have passed real voter integrity laws that have increased the quality of their election system.
But then there are states like Pennsylvania where...
Things are still a little too chaotic.
You have these drop boxes across the country.
Wisconsin, of course.
These are pivotal states.
tucker carlson
No state that has drop boxes can be considered legitimate.
How can I believe an election result in a state with drop boxes?
unidentified
Right.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
No matter what party you're a part of, if the election doesn't go your way and your state's full of drop boxes, your suspicions are going to be sky high.
So how is that stabilizing for a Republican?
tucker carlson
So I had a conversation this morning, actually.
With someone, a well-known, very knowledgeable person from Republican politics who said, you know, there are all these states with drop boxes and I'm really concerned about this.
And I said, well, isn't there an RNC that exists to deal with this?
And this person said, well, the problem is that these drop boxes are disproportionately in what he called urban areas.
And no one at the RNC wants to be seen as criticizing the way things are done in urban areas.
And I thought, well, why is the RNC hiring guilty white liberals?
If you're a guilty white liberal, I'm not attacking you.
I don't want to live near you or meet you, obviously.
But there's a political party for you.
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Like, what are they doing at the RNC? Yeah.
vince coglianese
It's a good question.
tucker carlson
It is a good question.
vince coglianese
I mean, it is completely critical that we get a hold of that.
I mean, like, you know, you've got, was it Michael Watley and Laura Trump are now running?
The RNC, they established this renewed emphasis on voter integrity and all these, I think they've got all sorts of legal challenges they've mounted across the country.
That's headed in the right direction.
But if you are opting out of dealing with election integrity in critical areas because you're afraid you'll be seen as racist for trying to protect the votes of the people who live there, you've lost the plot.
You've lost the plot.
Because it turns out voter integrity laws, if we're talking about black voters specifically, are disproportionately beneficial.
To black voters.
Look what happened in Georgia.
After they changed their election laws to make it so that you could no longer just do signature matching on a mail-in ballot, they said, you've got to send in your driver's license number with the ballot.
tucker carlson
Well, yeah.
vince coglianese
When they did that, black voter participation went up and fewer black votes were rejected.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
vince coglianese
It's obvious, and it's always obvious.
In fact, signature matching was working to the detriment of authentic black voters.
They were having their ballots thrown out because it turns out sometimes your signature doesn't match what you signed when you were 18 years old.
Like when you get older and you sign, and you get some idiot who's looking at, not a handwriting specialist, just some random bureaucrat looking at two ballots and the signature and be like, mm, throwing that out.
Throwing what?
tucker carlson
I think the period where there's going to be this intense emphasis on black voters is coming to an end.
Because of immigration.
And native-born black voters will become less important to election outcomes, dramatically less important starting after this election.
And so that means black political power, as we've thought about it for the last 60 years, will be in rapid, rapid decline.
And it's just interesting.
It sort of reminds me of organized labor.
You know, I'm not against unions.
I'm not against black voters.
I'm for all American voters.
But they got sold out by their leadership.
vince coglianese
For sure.
tucker carlson
Yeah.
Like, so completely.
And I'm not sure people really understand that.
Like, I just don't think it's going to matter too much, actually, because the demographics of the country have changed so much in the last 10 years that, like, do people get this?
unidentified
I hope so.
vince coglianese
There's, like, some shifting, it looks like, among black men, which has been good.
The left is very angry about that, and the more angry they get about it, the more likely they are to try and take it out on you.
tucker carlson
But increasingly, it's just symbolic, though.
I mean, if you have 10 million illegal aliens or 30 million illegal aliens, we don't even know the number, but it's tens of millions, and they're all going to vote sooner rather than later, probably, but definitely at some point, no one's going to be deported, then...
Like, the whole civil rights movement, that whole mythology becomes sort of meaningless because the Democratic Party will have political power without black voters, like, no matter what they do.
It doesn't matter.
vince coglianese
Yeah, and the whole history of that party has been hurting black people, black Americans.
tucker carlson
I've noticed.
vince coglianese
It's disgraceful, all the way from, you know, you mentioned at the outset of the conversation, like, the KKK and Margaret Sanger and the targeting, the so-called Negro Project.
I mean, it has been a relentless assault, actually, on black Americans.
Which is a disgrace, and I just hope more and more people can wake up to it.
But while they still have political power, to the extent that they do, and it's being sold out now, as you speak.
And so, that's crazy.
unidentified
That's crazy.
tucker carlson
Yeah, I don't have a ton of friends who are black Democrats.
I know a lot of and love a lot of, you know...
Right-wing black people.
But I have one friend who's a black Democrat, really good guy.
But I made this point to him a few years ago.
I was like, it's kind of over for the political power that you've been talking about your whole life because of immigration.
Power Dynamics in Protest 00:15:02
tucker carlson
Yeah.
And he had honestly not really thought about it.
vince coglianese
Well, now you're seeing it in Chicago.
tucker carlson
Now I'm bragging, but I think he agrees with me now because it's just numbers.
It's a numbers question.
vince coglianese
How many angry town hall meetings have you seen in Chicago over this issue?
tucker carlson
Yeah.
vince coglianese
A lot.
A lot.
Black residents of Chicago, they're going confronting, but the alderman right in Chicago, confronting them and saying, what the hell?
Why?
So, wait a second.
So foreigners, illegal foreigners are pouring into the country.
They're coming to Chicago.
They're taking all of the public resources and we're being left in the slums.
And how many times did it happen before you wake up to it?
Like when the riots were happening, the George Floyd riots were occurring, and Chicago became one of the latest cities to be ransacked.
The lady who looked like Beetlejuice, who ran the city, she deployed the National Guard to the extent that a mayor is supposed to do that anyway, but she was given resources.
She sent it to, what do they call that, the Million Mile or something?
The really nice area of Chicago, where all of her donors live.
Like, the richest area of Chicago.
Meanwhile, the South Side left defenseless.
People were getting murdered in the streets, losing their lives, places being wrecked, because she refused to protect the most vulnerable because she had no interest.
tucker carlson
I saw this during Katrina in New Orleans.
The French Quarter was fine.
All the cops were in the French Quarter.
Lower Ninth, nobody.
I saw it.
Yeah, no, of course.
It does sort of raise the question, I mean, this is the purpose of ginning up racial hostility, obviously, is to make people vote against their own interests, their demonstrable interests, because they so despise or they're so afraid of the other party coming to power on racial grounds.
unidentified
Yeah.
tucker carlson
That's what is actually happening.
Sorry.
vince coglianese
It's totally crazy.
tucker carlson
So, Kamala's campaign is about what?
vince coglianese
This week, it's joy.
tucker carlson
It's joy.
vince coglianese
This weekend, that's what they keep telling everybody.
tucker carlson
I could think of it being about a lot of different things, but joy is the most preposterous of all.
For sure.
She's so obviously joyous.
She's kissing her husband with a mask on.
So, this is the most joyless person I've seen lately.
vince coglianese
Well, that's consistent.
The pitch is opposite of everything she stands for.
unidentified
But why?
tucker carlson
That's like a deep...
I've never really figured it out.
Why?
An effective lie is always like a few degrees off from center, from the truth, right?
vince coglianese
Yeah.
tucker carlson
Isn't it?
vince coglianese
I mean, last week she was like, I'm for no tax on tips now.
Like, the Trump policy?
tucker carlson