Andrew Neville joins to dissect Canada’s April 2024 Portapique massacre, where Gabriel Wartman—a denture salesman with cartel ties—killed 22 in an 18-hour rampage using fake RCMP gear, burning homes and impersonating officers. Police delayed response despite active alerts, and Wartman’s neighbor, Peter Griffin (a La Familia cartel member), helped him print decoy police decals; two victims were Griffin’s cousins, prison guards linked to $600K drug busts. Wartman withdrew $475K in cash weeks prior, possibly as an RCMP informant against the Hells Angels, while his prior arrests—including assault and cigarette smuggling—went unchecked. Media ignored failures until public outrage demanded a civilian inquiry, exposing systemic gaps in gun laws, police oversight, and cartel-biker collusion along Nova Scotia’s drug routes. [Automatically generated summary]
The Mounties, you know who else always gets his man?
Hmm.
You.
What?
Nah.
Oh, gosh.
Nah.
I got a haircut.
Yeah, you got an illegal haircut.
I got an illegal haircut.
Did you work with someone in the mob?
You know, I got connections.
Oh, here we go.
You know, I know a couple of people here or there.
You know, I know a couple of, a couple of guys who use the blade and, uh, you know, I asked them, they were studying the blade.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
No, I mean, I mean that literally, this guy learned how to do haircuts two weeks ago.
No, perfect.
Online courses, of course.
And he gives me this sharp haircut.
You know what I'm thinking?
I'm like, I should have had him shave me.
Yeah.
Remember when we did that in LA?
Oh, yeah.
I got that.
Yeah, well, that guy did it for free.
I don't know if this guy would have, but yeah, my friend shaved me for free in LA.
That was great.
Yeah, you look nice.
That was, I don't like the thought, though, of a guy with such a sharp blade so close to my throat due to the feelings that I sometimes elicit in certain gentlemen.
And also, you never know who's out there and who's a double-aged.
Exactly.
And you never know.
I could be out there, you know, relax in the barber chair.
Someone comes in, two in the dome, I'm killed over.
No more podcast.
Well, we'd still keep going.
No, you wouldn't.
I have a dead man switch.
So, I get all you fucking assholes all the fucking time emailing me, calling me, doing WhatsApp messages to me, sometimes sending me obscene letters, being like, why don't you talk about Canada more?
And let me be clear.
I think of Canada, North America, Mexico as basically the same country.
Yeah, you're a NAFTA man.
NAFTA.
I'm a NAFTA man through and through.
And so, yes, we have not done a Canada episode before.
But we also haven't done like a Wyoming episode before, you know?
So it's like, it's, you know, we haven't done a, we haven't done a Chihuahuan episode before.
Well, I was going to say, because we are talking about Canada today, I think you should lay off the swear words.
Oh, yeah.
My bad.
Let me think of some Canadian.
You know, these cropulent fuckwaffles that have been Emailing me have been have been really getting on me old nervy worvies.
That's a Canadian cockney right there.
All right, all right, all right.
Uh, hello, everyone.
Welcome to Truanon.
I'm Liz.
Uh, my name is Brace.
Just keep interrupting each other.
We're joined by Jank Chopsky.
Interrupting you.
No, you're interrupting him this time.
You're not interrupting me.
You're interrupting him.
And so that's double rude.
I'm sorry.
Sorry about that.
Apology accepted.
Well, we're off to a good start.
This is great.
I will say, because we're recording this after we did the episode.
We basically did no Canada jokes.
We did it.
You know why?
Great respect.
Great respect.
Wonderful.
Well, decent nation.
Never been there.
I was banned for three years.
We're banned.
Literally was banned from going back to Canada.
That's not surprising.
How do you even get banned from Canada?
Long story, but I did.
Should I say this?
I will say this.
I jerked off in the Border Patrol booth.
That's not true.
I swear to God.
Ask Max.
Ask Max.
I will text Max right now because I forgot to text him back earlier.
Because the thing is, it's notable is because we were there for so long.
Everybody did it.
How did 48?
Like something like six or seven hours.
Dude, what?
You can't wait?
Wait and do what, dude?
They had all of our shit.
I didn't have phones weren't good back then, and we couldn't use them anyways because of roaming.
I jerked off.
Oh my God.
I hate this story so much.
I hate knowing that.
It could end if you stop doubting me.
I will never stop doubting you.
You could just be like, that's true, and I accept it and it's valid.
And I'd be like, thanks.
Moving on.
You know what?
I accept that that story is true.
It's absolutely not valid.
Do not do this.
Do not do this.
Do not do it.
Do not do this to me.
Do not do this to me.
Do not do experiential erasure to me on this fucking podcast right now.
All right.
Let's get, let's mount up and hop to it.
Let's go get our man.
Is that true, Brace?
Yeah, it's true.
Every single one of us jerked off.
This is not the first time I've done the skidding, the revving car and skidding intro.
But this time, many of you will notice by my vocal intonations, it was two wheels instead of four.
Welcome to a very special, I think our inaugural episode of Northern Lights edition of Truanon.
We have with us here, straight from the fishing boats and smuggling boats.
I'm not really sure what other kind of boats there are there of Nova Scotia.
We have Andrew Neville from the Dog Island podcast.
Andrew, how you doing?
I'm good.
There's like leisure boats too for just like chilling and like jumping off of and stuff, I guess.
Oh, that sounds nice.
Just a word.
I'm doing well.
Just a word real quick.
We will be doing this podcast in both English and French.
Mass Shooting Rampage00:09:34
So that's the reason it's three hours long.
Certain regulations in Canada do compel us to that, and we don't want to stir up any separatists.
Yeah, I am a famous supporter of the Quibécois separatist movement.
The only French I really know is like how to ask if it's like okay if I go to the bathroom.
I think that's like the or like air or like airline French.
Like I know like yeah, yeah.
I'll tell you this.
Once when I was in Quebec, I saw beer come out on a conveyor belt.
Oh, fuck yeah.
I thought that was very, I was like, damn, that's that's crazy.
You guys do it there.
So we have brought you here today because a couple of articles have recently come out, which have ignited a lot of talk about what is the worst mass shooting in Canadian history that occurred not very long ago.
A lot of you guys might have maybe vaguely heard about it, but it really wasn't followed up much on in the news here in America and apparently not too much in Canada either.
But yeah, let's just dive right into it.
So what happened back in April, Andrew?
Wow.
Okay.
So this was two months ago.
So this is between April 18th and 19th.
And it's important to note that it's over two days because there's about 18 hours of this man, Gabriel Wartman, sort of driving through Colchester County, which is on the northern side of the province, starting in the town of Port-au Peak, where he lived, which is a town of about 100 people, tops.
And beginning, apparently, if the timeline is to be believed, at a party that night after a fight with his girlfriend, he attacked her, shot her.
She got away.
And then he spent the next sort of 18 hours just driving through the countryside, just killing people and burning down homes.
Yeah, I thought it was really astounding that like from what I gather, and it's hard to get like a sort of a straight reporting of the events, but he at one point handcuffs his girlfriend.
She somehow escapes and he shoots her, or I'm not really sure the order of those events, but she spends the entire night hiding out in the woods.
And in fact, police sort of assumed she was dead because they couldn't find her.
Yeah, and I think that one of the initial, like, The initial 911 call, there was a shooter.
I don't know if it was her that made it or like there was it stemmed from this party.
Like that was the first, the first call to the police that something had happened.
Yeah.
Um, and then I believe it was also like a very slow response.
A lot of the stuff that happened over the night, like the sort of repeated motif is that it was a slow response by the RCMP to anything that had happened.
Like there's one story about these two kids whose parents he killed while they were still in the home.
And they apparently were on the phone with 911 dispatch for hours waiting for someone to show up.
Jesus Christ.
Yeah, like the individual, I don't know how like, I don't want to get too like morbid on it, but the individual details of like every event over those 18 hours are like pretty chilling.
It's a lot of stuff like that.
Yeah, it's really shocking that this like didn't get that much coverage for like two things that you pointed out right off the bat.
One, the most like gruesome mass shooting in Canadian history occurred during the like COVID lockdown, which is even, I mean, this is like after the pandemic has hit.
So that's even weirder.
And that it lasted about 18 hours, which I think for Americans, I mean, like, I don't know, at least for me, it's like hard for me to even wrap my head around how this was able to continue for 18 hours, right?
And you mentioned the like slow response, but it seemed like all the details of this story just are going to get weirder and weirder.
So I just kind of want to prep people for listening if they aren't familiar with this case.
It only gets weirder and weirder and weirder.
Yeah, it's a it's sort of like a it's bad for your brain, I think, to think about it.
Maybe absolutely.
I mean, I found the details.
So right after, right after he shoots his girlfriend, she runs off.
He sort of goes from house to house in his little town, Portopique, shooting people and then setting people's houses on fire.
I think he also set his own house on fire too.
And when the police get there in sort of reports made afterwards, they found just like bodies in the street and houses on fire.
Yeah, the stories from the RCMP that night are like, they showed up and it was like a war zone.
Yeah.
Like it was just buildings burning and bodies everywhere.
And then like, so, so he starts driving around.
And from what I gather, he is dressed as a police officer and driving a car that is a decommissioned police car or a car that's the same.
You know, how like you can buy a replica police car with the actual decals.
And I've seen pictures of the car.
It is realistic.
Actual decals of a of a real police cruiser around.
And so he's driving around and for quite a long time, too.
That's what's like so astounding.
Yeah, he like swaps cars at several points throughout the night.
Like it's it's a really wild because he had more than one of these fake police cars.
Yeah.
Which okay, wait, I want to stop with that for a second.
This is another insane detail.
Okay, so not only just this, just to like back up for a second.
So this guy, so it's like a 10.30, 10, 10.30 p.m. that he like starts this like rampage where he shoots like seven people, burns all these houses, and it's wearing a fake cop uniform and owns not one, but two replica cop cars that he then uses to drive through Puerto Pique,
shooting up random, what it looks like, random bystanders through the night.
Yeah, there's a story that a friend of mine's father, I know a bunch of people that live in the area, but like a friend of mine's father said a friend of his got a knock on the door in the middle of the night and he thought it was the police and he looked at the window.
It was like clearly this guy who he knew knew who he was and was just like, I'm not answering the road.
What the fuck does he want?
I'm going back to bed.
Yeah.
That's incredible.
Which is really, yeah, just like so horrific to think of.
I mean, and to be clear, like this guy killed whole families, I think 13 in total in Portopique.
He killed people and their kids.
He killed dogs.
That's been mentioned a few times.
And he burned and burned and burned, which is, I will say, like, you know, we get a lot of mass shootings in the States, of course.
But like, usually they're like one location or like sometimes they'll go to like a couple other places.
But rarely is it this sort of like sprawl of mayhem and destruction.
Yeah, he just didn't like didn't stop.
Yeah.
And by all accounts, like was prepared to keep going.
Yeah.
Like the whole ordeal ends the next morning near Enfield, which is a small town quite far from where he started.
And it's just by chance that two cops are getting gas there while he pulls in to get gas.
Oh my God.
And they spot him and shoot him.
And that's why it stops.
So it's just by accident, basically.
It's like total, yeah, just like dumb luck.
And forgive me if I'm wrong, but I think he shoots two and kills one other.
Well, I guess he's not technically actually a Mountie, although maybe that's not so good.
But at one point, he shoots a couple of mounties that are going around who have been looking for him, who I think were fooled by his car's appearance at first.
Yeah, so the one Mountie that he does he does kill is a Heidi Stevens, I think was her name.
And he spots him on the highway and tries to run him off the road.
She tries to ram the car, but he had the like the front of his car had the like cattle catcher.
Yeah, yeah, like the grail that these cop cars have.
Yes.
So he overtook her, hit her off the road.
And then the detail allegedly is that he just walked up to her, took her gun out of her holster while she was like sort of stunned in the driver's seat and then shot her and then took her gun and just kept going.
That's like, that's what I'm saying about this massacre is that like the details of this are some of the most like gruesome that I've seen yet, just because he interacted with so many different people in so many different ways.
But like a couple other things happened.
I know at one point the police opened fire on like a fire hall that people had taken refuge in.
Yeah, so that's like that's another unbelievable part of the story.
Yeah, there was this fire hall that they were using to shelter people once the police actually told people this was going on.
Because a big part of it is no one knew this was going on for quite some time.
Inquiry Buck Passing00:09:16
Because we have an emergency alert system here that they just decided not to use.
Classic.
Yeah, which despite the fact that they use it for other things all the time.
Like.
Yeah, like it's it like an amber alert style thing or is it just like yeah like everyone just phone gets a buzz that says like uh there's gonna be lightning tonight.
Be careful basically.
And these two cops both show up at the at this fire.
It's a firehouse and just open fire because they think they see him and like riddle the building with holes while there's people sheltering in place inside.
Jesus.
And those people were probably like, wait a minute, this gunman's dressed like a police officer.
Yeah, I know.
It's like it's, yeah.
It's so, yeah, just impossible to imagine being in.
Like terrifying.
And can you describe to me like a little bit about like where is Porta Peak or like talk about, because I don't, I mean, I, I've been to Canada, you know, and I don't have a great understanding of what's going on here with Nova Scotia.
So like explain to me, and we'll get into this more later, but like what's up, what kind of town is Porta Peak?
Like, where is that in relation to these other places?
It's like not, I mean, I wouldn't call it even a town.
I think it's just sort of like a street.
Not even a village.
Like it's, it's a street, basically, like, or a series of rural roads just outside of Truro.
So Truro is the third biggest, third biggest city in Nova Scotia after Halifax and Sydney.
Truro's about an hour outside of where I am here in Halifax.
Porta Peak is just like sort of a basically part of Truro.
Like I know lots of people who went to school in Truro and have grew up and new friends in Porta Peak.
So it's like kind of like an unincorporated area, basically.
Yeah, so it really is like the middle of nowhere.
Totally, totally, totally.
Yeah.
And how like, and he made it pretty far to other places too?
Yeah, so he made it to Enfield, which is where Enfield where he was caught.
But my understanding is he sort of drove like north through the province first and then cut back down.
So Enfield's maybe about 20 minutes from where I am.
Okay.
So he didn't go, he didn't really go like that far in terms of, in terms of distance.
I mean, a lot of the stories coming out now are that some of these places where he killed people, he just like hung out for a few hours after doing it.
There's some stuff like that.
We'll get into it later, but especially the prison guard couple.
The story is that he was at their house for like three hours after he did it.
So there's like a, it's not a, it's not like a geographically massive area he covered, but he just was, you know, just taking his time.
Yeah, in total.
So just again, like in total, this starts at like, you know, 10.30 p.m.
And he's not shot until about 11.30 a.m. the next day.
Yeah.
So I woke up.
I woke up around noon, I guess, on a Sunday, as you do.
And I had gone to bed quite late the night before and had heard nothing about this.
And then when I wake up at noon, all of my, you know, the boys and the boys DM are talking about this.
And I'm like, and I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about?
And they're like, it's the denturist.
It's the denturist, the guy with the smile face, like it's him.
And I had like no idea what, like, I just did not know what they were talking about.
Yeah, I think like, you know, we mentioned this at the beginning, but the not only, okay, so the, the, the press not covering it is very weird.
And we, we touched a little bit on, but I think we should get into, if we can, like, all of the things that the cops did wrong, which are all also very odd details.
You mentioned the alert system that didn't go off.
Now, there was like one alert, but it was like not very specific, right?
No, so there were, there was no alert.
The only, the only thing that the RCMP did to alert anyone this was going on was tweet about it.
Oh, that's right.
It was a tweet.
Oh, my God.
The tweet seems super vague, too.
It's like there was a discharge of firearms in Port-au Peak.
Yeah, that was basically there were shots fired.
And I mean, that's a rural community.
It's a place where it's a rural, and also it's a community where the population is quite old.
So you're saying a very extremely online population that would be on Twitter looking for damage from the mountains.
Definitely all night on Twitter for sure.
Probably a lot of people who don't know what Twitter is.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Be my guess.
Um and, and that was their, I mean their excuse for not sending the alert out is they were worried that if people were hiding and their phones started going off, he would find them easier.
Uh, which I i'm not quite sure.
Yeah, that seems a little.
I mean, the thing is too like there there is at least one victim whose death is basically directly attributable to not getting an alert.
Uh, it's a woman who, I think, went for a walk or a jog and you know, her husband quite rightly says that like, if we had received any kind of uh, you know alert that that, that that there was a, a raging gunman on the loose killing people both mercilessly and, in some cases randomly, probably would have told my to my wife to skip her evening walk.
Yeah um, and I I just want to clarify too when I say that like this hasn't been covered a lot, like it was on the news constantly for like days and days after.
But there's like a specific relationship here.
I think that, like the like the the media and press landscape in Canada is is pretty bleak right now and uh, like a narrow pool of people and it was just like sort of the news just regurgitating whatever the RCMP press release was for that day and then, and then anyone, especially in the first few weeks that like really pushed it or questioned what what had happened, was just sort of like told to shut the fuck up yeah,
like by both the RCMP and by like just people at home.
That's.
That's like why I I said this before we started recording, but like that is, it is kind of like Nova Scotia's 9-11 in that regard, where it's like it's a so yeah, that like you learn a little bit about but you can't learn too much about.
Yeah well, and even now, like people it seems like people have been really pushing for there to be a civilian review of what like exactly how and why the police made the choices that they, the decisions that they did, they made that night and that morning and they're just completely shutting it down right yeah, so I, I mean, even when it first happened, like our Justin Trudeau was like we're not gonna say his name on television anymore like that was the sort of response to it.
Classic true yeah yeah yeah, yeah.
Um god, all these guys that went to like the Macron school OF Politics, man.
Just they do that.
You can't see the hand motion that Liz is making.
That's probably good.
But that's that's they try to do that here for a second, too.
I don't know if you guys remember that where they're like, We're not going to say any of the shooters' names.
But it's like, Yeah, you are.
Give me a break.
It's not like it's not like I'm getting this name tattooed on me, but come on, it's in the news.
Yeah, so the inquiry stuff, there's been a lot of like the province and the federal government sort of trying to pass the buck back and forth.
Um, like the province, uh, most of the calls have been for the province to do an inquiry into it.
Um, but the RCMP is our is a federal policing agency.
Um, so they're saying because it was it was an RCMP like investigation or fuck up that it's the it's the federal government's responsibility to look into it.
Um, there's also there's also a lot of stuff if we're gonna we're gonna get into it, but like reasons why I don't think a civilian inquiry is gonna really get to the bottom of this because there's rules in Canada about the RCMP disclosing uh certain things to oversight bodies or that they can only disclose to to courts if ordered,
Well, let's start getting into that because we started teasing it.
Let's talk about who exactly um Wartman, Gabriel Wartman, is because this figure he's uh I mean, there's a lot to talk about here.
It's a real uh, I don't want to say interesting but confusing character.
Yeah, if we hadn't learned, if you were looking at this guy's life like a year ago without any of what we know now, you'd be like, This is one of the most boring motherfuckers in Canada.
Gabriel Wartman: The Boring Joker?00:02:49
Yeah, uh, you know, it's so tell me a little bit about this Joker.
Uh, well, Joker is a good way to start.
So, the thing that yes, uh, for several reasons.
So, the first thing, my introduction to Gabriel Wartman as a human being is there's this denture clinic he owns in downtown like for dentures, like for dentures.
He's yeah, he's so he's not a he's not a dentist, he's not a denturist, but he's a he's a denture salesman.
Um, and he owns this, he was the owner of this denture clinic in downtown Dartmouth.
Oh, God, it does sound like Joker.
When you go to Dartmouth, uh, so Dartmouth's another town here, but when you drive, when you drive by it, the the reason this place is notable is there's a giant, like 10-foot-wide, smile, like lippy Joker-style smile.
Oh, my God.
Like a sculpture on the side of the building, like this horrific fucking guest.
Like zero subtlety.
That was a thing, like really quickly, like about a week after, like, the city just went and ripped it down.
They were like, we're going to get rid of this.
I saw there was a news story about like people taking down the smile.
But it's like, yeah, this thing that like I've been driving by, you know, like my entire life.
No, joke.
They don't want to have like joker hajj to the smile.
Yeah.
Oh my God.
Yeah.
So yeah, so he's this, he's this denturist.
He operated this business in Dartmouth, but lived in about an hour away from there.
And then there's some stuff I had learned the last week from people who knew him where he allegedly through much of the 90s was a cigarette smuggler.
And that's where most of I guess his money came from was running cigarettes.
There's this sort of like famous like cannonball run style thing where it was just like a cigarette corridor between like Maine and New Brunswick.
Wait, how much are cigs there?
Oh, they're so expensive.
They're like 25 bucks a pack.
Oh shit.
I mean how much are they in Maine?
Let me let me hold on.
Let me see what that $25 Canadian to US.
What is it?
Like $25?
That is, I don't know.
I just Googled that.
It didn't tell me anything.
That is $18 a pack.
Yeah.
Cigarettes are very expensive here.
So they're sort of actually the one of the cigarette smuggling is one of the main like organized crime in Canada and has been for a while.
Like in both sort of with biker gangs and then with the it looks like cigarettes are $7.37 plus $2 in tax in Maine.
So that's a that's like a great little that's a nice little margin.
Cigarette Smuggling Complaints00:03:31
Yeah.
So that's a that's a that's a allegedly where he made his money.
I don't know.
I wasn't there.
I'm not going to say what the guy was doing.
But then he, yeah, for a it seems like mostly unremarkable.
There's a few other like criminal or like things that pop up over the last 20 years where he gets in trouble with the law.
Like in at some point in the 2000s, he beats up a 15 year old kid outside of the denture clinic just for loitering, I guess.
There's another story from some point in the last 10 years where he gets in a fight with some cops outside of the clinic because they had been parking in his parking lot while he while they go to the Tim Hortons next door to get coffee.
Fucking me.
Come on.
It's like every time I hear a Canada story, it involves like the same four things.
Yeah, it sucks ass.
It's a fake country.
So and then there's a few things like that.
He's like now coming out.
There's a bunch of stories where his neighbors had complained to the RCMP about him just having guns on his property.
There's a story from a few years ago where his father complains about him.
His father made a complaint saying he thought he was going to do something violent.
And just like a series of things that, you know, as standalone things are unremarkable, but then when you piece it together, when this becomes the final part of it, that he murdered 22 people, it's like, ah, yeah, of course.
Yeah, I read that apparently he kept lime and muriatic acid on the property in barrels, which like one reason to do that.
Yeah, yeah.
And he had talked to like friends before about like how to dispose of bodies.
Yeah.
And you're just like, by the way, for those of you who are not, I mean, all three of us, of course, are veterans of the Sicilian mafia.
Well, all four of us, technically.
Although Young Chomsky was killed and then replaced by a namesake.
But that's how you dissolve bodies.
Like that's how you get rid of bodies is using those chemicals.
So there's also a National Post story that was up for a while, but I can only find reference to it and can't find the meat of it anymore, where he had written an email to a friend about a month before this all happened saying he was looking forward to his soon retirement.
Oh my God.
So this was like, I think clearly a thing he, if not, I don't think it was like, this is the night I'm going to do it, but this was like a like, I don't think this is a thing that was not thought out.
Oh, yeah.
This is, I'm seeing it here in the notes is that an email sent by Wartman to a potential business associate said he was residing in Porta Peak, enjoying his prelude to retirement, and that he was around in the AMs 5 to 12 studying the news on YouTube.
And you is just the letter U itself.
Nice.
So he is, from what I gather in that, he is around from 5 to 12 a.m. watching YouTube for seven hours.
Which is like normal 51-year-old guy stuff.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That seems like it's not dark.
It's dark.
I shouldn't laugh at this.
Yeah, but it's, I mean, Jesus Christ.
It's so weird.
It's so weird.
And it's only about to get weirder.
La Familia Member's Guns00:15:33
So not only, so he's got like, okay, he's got acid for dissolving bodies on his property.
He's got a shit ton of guns, shit ton of firearms, like tons.
And what are like Canadian gun laws exactly?
Bryce, you actually probably know this better than me.
You were sort of talking about the other day.
But it's pretty hard to get a gun here.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Like the guns he owned were all illegal.
Okay.
And it's like a pretty, you do have to do like a pretty thorough background check here.
Here, you have to take a test.
There's a like anyone I know that owns a handgun, it was a pretty complicated process to get it.
And there were even like we've been back and forth the last like probably 10 years on like even establishing a long gun registry, which a lot of, I guess, like people that hunt really fought against, but that's sort of the state of it here.
Um, and it's like it's not easy to get a gun.
Yeah, from what I gather, a lot of the guns, I don't know a ton about it, but for some reason, Norinko, which is like a kind of shoddy Chinese gun company, um, sells a lot of guns, some of which are like there's a lot of workarounds that they do basically of American guns that's just for sale in the Canadian market.
Just to reiterate, because we're trying to paint this picture.
So, you've got this like creepy, joker-fied denture magnet salesman who has like acid on his property for dissolving bodies.
He's got a shit ton of guns.
He's got not one, but two fake cop cars, which he had told people he wanted to make.
Like, he wanted cars that looked like fake cop cars.
He's got a fake mounting uniform or like, or not a fake one, but a real one that's maybe a little ill-fitting.
He's got like other, you know, like the vest that you put on to let people know that you're a policeman, the like reflective vest in his car.
And he's got, you know, a neighbor who is also possibly a little bit mobbed up.
A little bit.
I don't even think it's possible.
It's like he's been convicted.
Yeah.
He faced so many charges.
This is what's so wild to me that this guy's not in prison.
Is the last news story I can find about him?
He's been arrested a couple of times at least.
This is a neighbor.
His actual next door neighbor.
He is the last, the last thing out for him was 13 warrants, like just a couple of years ago.
And this guy's on.
Tell me about, tell me about, and let our listeners know his name as well.
His name is Peter Griffin.
Like the family.
And he's in Canada's Nova, or excuse me, Canada's Maine, too.
It is our, it is, yeah.
We are in, we are in New England North.
It's like the simulation is starting to show the engines.
They're cracked out.
The fucked up thing, too, is that a lot of people don't know this, but he actually stole his uniform from a policeman in a wheelchair.
And he had a, yeah, I don't want to make it a family.
I'm not going to do it like that joke.
Yeah, I know.
You can do it.
I'm a gun.
I haven't seen Family Guy.
There's a pedophile, I think.
This show is about him.
So Peter Griffin is a man who was his neighbor.
Is the man who printed the decals for the fake cop car at the print shop he worked at?
Um, I tried to figure out exactly what print shop he worked at, um, and it was pretty hard, but there's only like two or three of them.
Well, he's no longer working there.
I couldn't figure out the name, he's no longer working there, apparently got fired.
So, he like off the books printed out just like all of the shit that you which is, I gotta say, I've seen there's a lot of decals in that fucking cop car, and so like he did this dude he got a good deal, yeah, printing's expensive.
Um, so so this guy, Peter Griffin, was uh was a member of the La Familia uh Mexican drug carpenter.
Can you repeat that?
Can you repeat that sentence again?
So, this like real white, real, real normal-looking, like boring white dude living in like butt fuck nowhere Truro, Nova Scotia, was a member of the La Familia uh Mexican drug carpenter.
That is so when I read that, I was like, what the fuck?
And then I started looking into La Familia, uh, its activities in Canada's Canada more.
And I didn't go super in-depth, but I found some other arrests of members of the cartel related to Peter Griffin that like part of the whatever cell he was in.
The names of those are La Familia members Cody Sterling Tribbett and Penny Sue Fleming, who got arrested, I think the year before Peter Griffin did in 2015.
They had $600,000 worth of drugs, two assault rifles, and $45,000 in cash proceeds of crime.
Latina statement.
But yeah, so this guy was just in the cartel, I guess.
He was convicted in 2017.
He was sentenced to seven years.
Apparently, he did not serve seven years.
Yeah, it appears not.
I mean, and he must not have served much at all because if he had time to befriend, you know, our man Wartman here and print these decals, get a job, et cetera.
I mean, he must have been out for kind of a while.
Yeah, like he couldn't have served more than a year if he served that.
Is my read, if that.
So yeah, so he's there.
He is hanging out with Wartman.
They're like drinking buddies, apparently.
And yeah, I don't, it's like so hard to know what the relationship past that is.
But I think like knowing that allegedly Wartman was also into like some level of organized crime vis-a-vis smuggling, that it seems unlikely that they weren't discussing, you know, their trade.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, how come you live in Port-au-Peak, Mr. Griff, instead of anywhere else in Canada?
Well, and Griffin has another is has there's another relationship, no, with Griffin and one of the victims.
Yeah, so this is the part where when this came out last week, so this is all all this sort of new stuff about Griffin.
And it comes from this McLean's, this series of McLean's articles that came out last week by Paul Polango, Stephen Mayer, and Shannon Gormley.
first one i believe was was like wednesday of last week and then the next one was was saturday morning maybe um and they what they had done is they had they had done the you know the smart journalist thing where they followed the money um and And back in March, Wartman from a Brinks facility took out $475,000 in $100 bills.
And that was constantly.
That was the thing where they were like, wait, why is no one following up on this?
Which is sort of where you start running into this stuff with Griffin.
And we can get to the money more.
Yeah, we'll get to the money more in a second.
Yeah.
But the other connection from this article with Griffin is that two of the victims in the shooting are his cousins.
His cousin and his cousin's wife.
Stephen McLeod, I believe is his name.
Sean McLean.
Sean McCloud.
Sean McLean.
Sean McLean.
I don't know how to pronounce it.
McLeod.
And so he and his wife are also both prison guards in Truro.
Let me read from Sean's obituary real quick, which was, I mean, just in the context of this shooting, I just found weird.
So Sean's lifelong career choice led him to the Holland College where he took the policing and corrections course.
He had also taken the emergency response team basic training and negotiator training and became a skilled crisis negotiator for a number of years.
In March 1997, Sean completed the correctional training program, which was just the start of his 23-year career as a correctional officer at Spring Hill Institution.
During his time there, he had worked in various capacities, including correctional officer one and two, acting assistant warden of operations, coordinator of correctional operations, and recently correctional manager.
As a past founder of the Union of Canadian Correctional Officers, he was Spring Hill's first local president and said to always have the health and safety of all members in mind.
Oh, a leftist.
Yeah, yeah.
But also just like astounding, like this guy was not just like a prison guard, but this guy was like the head of the local prison guard union.
He apparently served a wide variety of like mid-level to mid-upper level positions at Springhill.
I mean, this is wild.
And his partner, Alana Jenkins, was also a prison guard at the nearby women's prison.
So two prison guards, and they like were the fact that they were both killed that night and that their house was burned down Seems like impossible to have been coincidence, I guess.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Because he had, they didn't live in Port-au-Peak.
He had to go out and find them.
Yeah, he had to go to their house.
And especially that they like the fact that they were this cartel guy's cousin is crazy.
It's just fucking crazy.
Every part of it's crazy.
Yeah.
And like, I don't want to like cast aspersions on these people at all.
That's not.
No, I don't want to.
I don't want to insinuate that they were involved in organized crime.
I don't want to disrespect the dead in any way.
But like, that's not like, that's something that happens.
Yeah.
You know, like, that is.
No, I'm not saying, not saying that they are, but like, I'm saying that in the past, you know, similar things have happened.
Well, without the mass shooting part.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've got a certain incredible type of thing you sometimes end up getting involved in when you do a certain type of job.
Yeah.
Absolutely, absolutely.
And so, La Familia, like, I mean, there's a lot of weirdness about a member of La Familia named Peter Griffin living in a small 100-person town.
which by all, you know, by all appearances seems pretty quiet in Nova Scotia.
But well, there is another name out here who did a murder in 2011 named Stephen Douglas Skinner, who lived in Dartmouth, where I grew up, who did this murder and then fled the country and then was arrested by the Venezuelan police in 2016 and extradited.
Yeah, good job.
Extradited back to Canada where the and the Venezuelan police have suggested that he was a member of a Colombian drug cartel.
Wait, and this guy's just from like a bunch of people I know went to high school with him.
Like people I know know him.
Oh, no shit.
And like he was, I got to be careful.
But he was like notoriously kind of this like white supremacist Nazi guy in Dartmouth who was who was also a drug dealer when I was a teen.
Like people knew who he was.
You hear that people?
If you want to, if you're like, fuck, how do I make people not racist and like hang out with and hang out with people from other races?
Get them into the city.
He diversified his personal life.
He, you know, he checked a lot of boxes and he did, but he learned to do better.
Yeah.
Exactly.
How many white supremacists do you guys know that would go to Venezuela?
So yeah, so this guy is also a, he also allegedly was involved in sort of, you know, big, big drug trafficking through Central and South America.
Okay.
And so, I mean, Nova Scotia is coastal, right?
Like there's a lot of coastline there.
And is that like, is that, so the kind of this picture I'm putting together here is if you want to bring things into Canada, a good way to do it is to just zip them across across up from Maine.
So we're, so we have two fairly sizable ports in Nova Scotia.
Like Halifax, where I live, is a, is a massive port.
And then Digby, which is about four hours away from me, is another, is a fairly big port, especially relative to the size of the town.
I find that a charming name for a town.
And then also St. John, New Brunswick, which is about five hours away from me, is also a massive port.
And that was like St. John, historically, and again, word on the street is that that is where the majority of sort of contraband actually end up coming in through is St. John.
Like St. John is like quite close to Maine.
Like it's like it's like literally on the other side of the river.
Like there's a there's a border at Fort Kent, a border crossing at Fort Kent, Maine that like is just right by St. John.
Yeah, so you just have lots of drug cartels basically running like motorboats of drugs into like not even ports.
Like they just bypass the ports like just right up on the coast.
Which is weird because you can't get good drugs here.
Like it's a it's a very strange like, you know, it's like it's like Australia or something.
It's like you always hear about like drug busts and then you like, you look at the prices there.
I'll tell you guys about it after, but they are tremendous.
So that's a thing that was going on.
And I mean, Halifax was also sort of up until the up into 2001 to 2003 was a pretty big biker town.
Like the Hells Angels had a pretty assertive presence here.
Yeah, we should pause and talk about the Hells Angels for a minute because that's also kind of a group that looms large over the story.
And I think like, you know, they've kind of fallen out of the popular American imaginary, but they're still very present in Canada, correct?
Yeah, so they were actually gone from Nova Scotia for quite a while.
Yeah, I read that they were made illegal in 99.
Yeah, they were made illegal and then a sort of series of busts starting in 2001 made it so that the clubhouses in Nova Scotia could no longer make quorum and then by their own bylaws were no longer allowed to have clubhouses here because they didn't have the membership.
Clever, very clever.
I can't believe that there actually like rules cocks like that.
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These were wreckers.
They did it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But the so from about 2003 until quite recently, there was no officially no real Hell's Angels presence here.
There's a number of sort of proxy outlaw biker gangs that weren't full patch angels, but I think we're sort of doing a lot of the same thing.
Yeah, From what I gather, there was like a series of them.
I think at one point they had like eight different clubs that were essentially like front groups for Hell's Angels or whatever.
It's the old Trotskyite sort of tactic of just creating these, well, not just Trotsky, but Matt.
Trotsky also was imprisoned in Nova Scotia once, not far from where this happened.
Yeah, sidebar.
Yeah, so the Angels are definitely back, though.
Like I've been seeing them probably the last three years just like around a lot more again.
Oh, yeah.
No, I see them like drive and drive down my street all the time.
Like they're back.
And I think like the that coincides with the RCMP's sort of re-upping the effort to drive them out of the province again.
I know I read an article from just last December about how they're butting heads with a group called the Black Pistons, who appear to sort of be a front group for the Outlaws, which are like another old, old biker gang.
Or I don't even actually think that they're that.
I'm not a super into biker stuff.
I'm not as knowledgeable as I should be, even though I did used to hang around the Hell's Angels Clubhouse here in San Francisco, although it was very, it was not the most exciting thing in the world.
But apparently there's been some beef with them.
And a little backstory on this, there was actually like a decades-long biker war in Quebec that killed over like a hundred people.
And this ended in like the early 2000s.
It went on from, I think, the early 90s to the early mid-2000s, which is pretty crazy.
Yeah, I mean, the hell's like, I mean, make no mistake with the Hell's Angels are bad.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I really think Americans like don't know very much about this, to be honest.
Like, even like the suburb where I grew up, like, there was a Hell's Angels hit around the corner from my house when I was a kid.
Like, that was like a really big thing where a man was just shot in his driveway in the suburb one night, and it was like an angels hit.
Like that's like a thing here.
And a lot of the, even through the like the 80s and 90s, a lot of pretty much all crime that happens is just like attributable to them or people who they hire.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I also saw that like you sent along that article earlier.
There was another murder in Porta Peak a while ago that seems to be connected also to yeah.
So this was a a disappearance that happened in 2000 of a man named Charles Madison, who also lived in Porta Pique.
Small town, big, big presence.
And so there was a, there was also at the same time a, an outlaw biker named Randy Merceau who had been murdered allegedly by a man from Windsor named Michael John Lawrence, who allegedly was a Hells Angel.
So there's a, that's like, I gotta say, for such a small town, like that's some connections to some pretty big organizations.
At least 3% of the population.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, Well, and that's doing good for the Hells Angels, notoriously call themselves 1%ers.
But that's from what I gathered from reading a succession of articles about this is that at times cartels sort of cohabitate and sometimes even cooperate with the Hells Angels in terms of drug smuggling and then distribution as well.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
And so that got me to put my thinking cap on here.
And so why are we bringing up the Hells Angels?
So to go back to the money, the money from March, one of the sort of the big assertion made in these McLean's articles from last week is that Wartman's withdrawal of that much money from this CIBC Intria account,
which is a specific kind of account that is used for RCMP drops, indicates that he was at the very least a criminal informant, if not like a sort of active undercover agent for the RCMP.
So wait, can you explain a little bit about the bank account?
You said it's used exclusively for RCMP drops.
Not exclusively.
It's just like this, it's so these intria depots.
I had a friend who worked at one in high school as an intern, and it's just like you go to a door where you're not allowed in and you like knock on it and you hand them the thing and then they count your money and they give it to you in a bag.
You know what I mean?
And so the thing that they pointed out in this McLean's articles is these spots are what they're not exclusively used by the RCMP, but they are what the RCMP use to hand cash off to informants because they don't just keep cash a half million dollars at the station.
And like specifically, like that amount of money would be for some sort of buy.
Yeah, they said in the article, and this sort of rings true to me, is that that sort of money would be used to flash for a buy.
So like from what I gather, like, you know, you go and you're like, hey, I want to buy, you know, some yellow cake.
And, you know, you, you go and you got, you know, yellow cake uranium.
And you go and you have the fucking bag and you're like, I got the money.
Check it out.
$475,000.
Count it.
They're counting it.
Bam.
RCMP come in.
They're like, sorry to arrest you, sir.
I'm just kidding.
No disrespect.
So this big cash, big movement of cash happens.
And then about a month before this happens, too, there is a night back in February, early evening, when Wartman is pulled over, just sort of on a rural route by an RCMP officer at 6 o'clock in the evening for speeding, which is apparently the common way that the RCMP hand information off to informants is to sort of indicate them, to indicate to them to be at a certain spot at a certain time.
And we'll trump up some sort of traffic violation and pull you over and we'll pass stuff through the window.
And this, this, that makes a lot of sense to me.
This specific ticket, within like two days of this happening, there are a number of high-profile Hells Angels arrests in Nova Scotia and New Brunswick.
So it seems very possible, likely, somewhere in between possible and likely, that the Dunsherman was like an actual informant for the cops on the Hells Angels who were in cahoots.
And I want that to sound Canadian when I say it.
With the drug cartels and smuggling in, you know, guns, drugs, cigarettes, whatever else into Nova Scotia.
And so if that were to be the case, wouldn't this lead, you know, inquiring minds such as our own and others out there, little gumshoes, to ask, well, wait a second.
Is there any relationship between the reason or like perhaps were the amounties not responding to or like to anything having to do with this shooting because this guy was an informant and working for them?
Yeah.
And that was I sort of had alluded earlier to the RCMP not having to legally disclose this kind of stuff.
So if there's there's laws in Canada they don't have unless a court specifically orders them to, they don't have to say who they're in.
I mean, which makes sense.
You wouldn't just blab about it.
Yeah.
See, in America, in fact, if you ask if someone's a cop, they do have to.
I don't think that's.
That is not true.
That is not true.
That is one of the dumbest fucking.
Like, why would you just ask anyone?
You just asked everyone.
Yeah.
Exactly.
And like, I've had guys ask me while buying drugs, are you a cop?
And I've always, of course, said no.
And I'm like, what would you do if I said yes?
Like, why, under what circumstances would I say yes if I was?
Fuck, they got me.
Fuck.
So that, that, exactly.
Even among people who make it a living to sell illegal substances, they themselves don't know the rules and regulations around such endeavors.
Sorry, go ahead.
What was I saying?
So basically, yeah, this all more or less points to like it becomes obvious that over the last 10 years, as a number of different sort of civil complaints about Wartman's behavior in town, you know, brought up by his neighbors up to and including his own father who filed a complaint to the RCMP about him, all of which were ignored.
And they've sort of said now when people have brought it up again, they're like, oh, we don't have any information on those complaints anymore because unless there's a criminal charge, we don't keep track of those things after the fact.
We just like, we get rid of those records.
So they've sort of begun the process of denying knowing him, I guess, already.
Yeah, they've said several times, like there's absolutely, and even in pushback to the McLean's article, like, or McLean's article, articles, they've said, like, this is totally ridiculous.
Yeah, I mean, they do not know this guy.
But if the law says they don't have to say it, then how do they?
I mean, they put out a press release on Sunday after the McLean's article hit saying that they believe he took out that money because he was paranoid about.
Sorry, I took out $500 because I was paranoid about COVID.
I mean, what I don't understand is, how does this guy have $475,000 to begin with?
I mean, I get it.
Dentures, you know, not cheap, but that seems like quite a lot of cash to have specifically.
And from what I understand, I mean, Brinks isn't a bank.
Brinks is who brings the money.
That's why it's called Brinks because they brink the money to you.
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And so it's like, it doesn't like the it like it's it doesn't make a lot of sense.
Like they tell her, I mean, granted, like, you know, if you take money out of bank, you know, Brinks, Brinks will send a guy, and you know, if you're taking out a lot of money, bank doesn't have that money, they'll send someone to bring that money.
But like, you know, from what I understand, is the opposite direction is not true.
Like, did they bank this?
No, like he did this, yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
Yeah, it doesn't, no, no, I mean, no part of this, the only thing that makes any of this make sense, like, is if you accept, if you begin at the premise, the premise that he was an RCMP informant.
Like, that is, that is the only thing that, like, uh, that lessens the madness.
Like, that's the that is the, the, like, the thing that makes everything else sort of connect.
Yeah, totally.
And it's, it's, it's, it does sort of leave unanswered the question, though, of why the shooting.
Yeah.
Um, right.
So a thing they, uh, I think they sort of allude to in the, in one of the McLean's articles is that it's possible his cover was blown, um, which I imagine would, like, probably put you under quite a bit of stress if you thought maybe, you know, some, some, like, some mix of the Hells Angels and a Mexican drug cartel knew you ratted on them.
I think you'd maybe, uh, yeah, maybe flip your wig.
Um, yeah, I think that would probably uh.
But it also, like, I mean, it's it is worth noting.
Like, there are, he does have a history of violence, of like, of escalating violence and of sort of like people complaining about just him like being like kind of a shithead.
Um, like, it does sound from some of the stuff of the party like that the fight with his girlfriend started as like you know, it was like a domestic dispute.
Um, and there's there's been a lot of sort of work advocacy here by like sort of feminist groups to like recognize this as like specifically a you know, like a male violence thing against women, which it's like obviously it can be both.
Like, I don't think this is just one thing, yeah, yeah.
From what I understand, this guy was not the kind of women by all accounts, like an awful person, uh, which is the kind of person who ends up being you know both a uh a a rat and yeah, just a rat.
Like you're the you're the kind of person that gets picked by the RCMP to to do this stuff, and that was like that's how it was in the 2000s.
Like they're like famous for using informants to to sort of do work against the clubs.
Yeah, I was actually just reading about uh in Seattle, I believe police used a uh convicted pedophile to infiltrate uh like uh environmentalist groups earlier in the 2000s.
He'd blend right in, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But they tend to pick some, you know, it's, it's the upstanding person, people don't.
That guy started Extinction Rebellion.
I mean, one thing I would encourage people, as, because we kind of have to wrap up this story pretty soon, but one thing I would encourage people is that like, you know, if they're interested in this case or, you know, if you're angry about this case, I mean, reading about it, it's, it's like, you know, kind of like peeling back onion layers, kind of, you know, where it's like this insane rampage.
And then you're like, wait, the cartels are involved.
Wait, the Hell's Angels are involved.
Wait, the cops are involved.
Like, it's this like, you know, starts to feel very like Twin Peaks-ish as is our style.
Twin Porter Peaks.
Yeah, exactly.
That's it.
That's what's up.
But, I mean, one thing that really makes me angry is like, I mean, what the fuck were the cops doing?
Like, this was, like we mentioned at the beginning of the show.
And again, this has to be like reiterated over and over again.
This was like nearly, you know, over 12 hours of a guy going on a rampage with the cops not doing anything they were supposed to.
And in this instance, like shooting up innocent people in a station.
Yeah, they made it worse.
And was it because of a bad relationship they had with an informant or what?
Like, where's the oversight here and what's going on?
And like, that to me is like a bigger story than the kind of insanity you can get into trying to sort of make shape of a kind of wild, you know, cartel mob hit shebang.
My, my sort of read on it is that it's both.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And like, I, I can't imagine that like the cops in fucking Troro had any idea how to respond to like a mass shooting.
And the other thing that's worth pointing out is it's not the Nova Scotia RCMP that deal with organized crime.
Right.
Okay.
Like that is done out of New Brunswick.
Sure.
So like these specific cops responding to this thing likely would have, you know what I mean?
Like they, it seems unlikely that they would have that relationship with him.
Yeah.
That the New Brunswick RCMP would, unless it came from higher, just like, whoa, like, what the fuck do we do?
Because he was identified as a suspect like pretty quickly.
Even though his house was on fire, I know that they were like, oh, I think it's this guy.
Yeah.
And notably, he didn't kill Peter Griffin, right?
No, he's just like, cause he's still like, there's one of the articles they like try to reach out to him.
Like they find his, like his Facebook was still up, I think, until these McLean's articles came out.
I mean, like, Wartman's Facebook was still up the morning this was going on.
Like friends of mine were pulling pictures.
I have some stuff I can send you, like, of like Khajiji ads of his he had posted trying to sell motorcycles.
So it's, so what is, so, yeah, my, my read on it is, is basically similar to that.
Like, he's an informant whose, whose cover maybe got blown or something, likely something to do with his work, and I don't mean his work with dentures, is related to his reasons for, for engaging in, in this massacre.
But it is interesting, like, that, that.
This response was so bungled and now they're so tight-lipped about it that it's, you know, I want to know what the hell's going on.
It's really frustrating.
And like, I know people who know people who were killed because it's a small, it's a very small part of the world.
And like, people are really upset.
And like, me, I had a fear when this happened because a police officer was killed.
I was like, oh, fuck, we're not going to be able to be like critical of the cops in this province for like a fucking year now because a cop got killed.
And then it was just like absolutely not the same.
Good, good.
I know there's like a class action suit being leveled against the police that like.
Against the police?
Yeah.
I mean, there's like, like, I don't think it's like some sort of gladio style operation.
Like, I don't think it's like that complicated.
I think it's just like, I legit think the RCMP are just dumb as fuck.
Like, I think they just, they fucked, like, I think they fucked him both by blowing his cover and then they like, they fucked up the situation by not really knowing how to respond to it.
Yeah, I will say, like, the only real evidence or like the only sort of arguments that could be made in favor of a gladio thing are like the fact that it happened, I guess, at all.
But the details kind of don't make that as, I think, as clear.
And then that they banned like so many kinds of guns that they actually banned several like BB guns as well in the immediate aftermath.
But like, I can't imagine there would have been a ton of pushback about banning guns in the first place.
I don't think Canada has a super, you know, robust gun culture, as far as I know.
People I know that own guns were like not stoked that they, I mean, they banned a shit ton of gun.
And of course, like, this guy's guns were all illegal anyways.
It doesn't matter anyways.
Exactly.
Like, he, the one guy who, like, didn't need to buy a gun at a gun shop is the reason that they're all banned.
I mean, yeah, like, the RCMP response has been awful.
And, like, I mean, they even last week returned a car to one of the victims' families that still had body parts in it.
What?
Jesus.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
So the RCMP returned a car, one of the victims' cars to their family.
And I don't even understand how body parts would have been.
Yeah, how does that happen?
And like that part of it's like, like, when that happened, they were like, oh, we fucked up.
Sorry.
We didn't like clean it well enough.
So I think like, I can't imagine just like some.
Yeah, it's a really frustrating.
It's an incredibly frustrating story.
Oh, Canada.
And I think we'll never, I think we'll never know what happened.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, come on.
You figure it out.
We'll figure it.
Yeah.
But they're never going to say that.
They're never going to say.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or like, we'll learn in like 40 years or something.
Yeah.
There'll be a book.
Yeah.
When Trudeau's great-grandchildren are president of both America and Canada.
Oh, God willing.
Well, thank you so much for joining us, Andrew.
You guys, you assholes out there can follow Andrew at Andrew Neville.
Those are Andrew spelled Andrew, Neville spelled Neville at Twitter.
I mean, people, you know, figure, you never know how to spell that shit.
And listen to Dog Island.
Andrew, thank you so much.
My man.
You.
So, after we uh finished that, I just want to add something, because we were talking after we ended the interview and I think that um,
kind of like put it explicitly in a way that maybe we should for everyone, like Like the thing that's so crazy about this is that the cops like the Canadian police basically had this guy and like groomed him to basically do this shooting in not so many ways.
Right.
Yeah.
And it's just like so gruesome to get your head around.
And it's really unfortunate that, I mean, you know, look, everyone knows that just that Truanon don't have anything good to say about the American press and actually have very bad things to say about the American press.
But like it's really insane that this story is getting absolutely no coverage.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, just one literally like if this if this team of journalists, or as you mentioned, like another Nova Scotian journalist hadn't been looking into it, like we wouldn't know this.
And we would just see, I mean, I read a lot of articles about this case in the past like four or five days.
And a lot of them, I mean, really just regurgitations of press releases.
And to be clear, that's how like a lot of journalism works in a lot of different contexts too, not just like in police.
But, you know, really, you know, good, good on you, famous Canadian phrase to McLean's.
Yeah, we'll link to those articles because they're a really interesting read.
And it just reminds me, we were actually going to do, we were going to talk about this more, but we sort of just, there was so much to the Canada thing that we didn't.
But it is notable that, you know, this sort of recent shootings in the Bay Area in Santa Cruz, you know, the Boogaloo shootings or whatever, were also done by like someone who's connected to the government, you know, a guy who had been in the Air Force on ground teams.
And, you know, I found this astounding.
He actually, so it was done by two people.
And this guy, his accomplice, he literally met him hours before the first shooting.
They shot a couple of DHS.
police in Oakland during the protests and then they shot a couple of couple of cops down in Santa Cruz.
I think two or three.
And I found that was pretty outstanding too.
And then, of course, we have the Sarnia brothers and we have Paddock.
There's just, it's, you know, it's a big government, but seems to be a lot of people who do these shootings that are pretty, pretty connected to it.
You know, there were shootings in that shooting in the airbase, I think, in Florida too, by the Saudi Arabian attached to do training here.
My eyes are open, baby.
I'd be remiss if I didn't mention way back in the day, you know, friend and, you know, we'll say problematic friend of the pod, Ted Kaczynski, also had his connections with the U.S. government.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And we should maybe, I think it would behoove us to at some point really kind of go through these as a group, but also we are, I want to do, yeah, there's a lot of these that deserve a little bit more scrutiny.
Yeah, agree.
Especially the Sarnev affair.
Another Joker.
Moose Impression Talk00:01:23
But anyways, I, yeah, this was, I'm juiced about this.
We finally headed up north.
Yeah, it's nice.
It's nice.
I was going to, I was beginning to moose it.
Oh, my God.
Sorry.
My bad.
I just, I won't do that again.
Yeah, okay.
You know, I do a good impression of a moose.
You do?
Well, it's visual.
It's not audio, so I won't do it.
I'll just talk so there's no dead AR.
Can you do it?
I'm talking right now.
I'm describing it.
Oh, she's, she's holding her hands.
Ooh, this is pretty good.
Yeah.
I can imagine it right now.
My God.
From the profile, too.
Fantastic.
Oh, my God.
Look at this.
She knows everything.
All right.
That is for, well, that's not for subscribers.
That's for that's for team members only.
By the way, I'm going to start calling us team members.
Oh, God.
All right.
Team meeting, guys.
Good thing getting through it.
Next week, we are having the author of White Fragility here to talk to us about Waco.
Yeah.
Can't wait to circle back and talk then.
Totally.
Yeah.
On that note, I'm Liz.
My name is Brace.
We're joined by producer Young Chomsky, and that's Truan On.