Dasha Nekrasova, Epstein investigator and "Epstein Truther" leader, debunks the suicide narrative, citing MCC timeline gaps and defense team suspicions while detailing her firsthand visits to Epstein’s death sites. At a recent court hearing, 15+ victims testified about systemic abuse tied to figures like Ghislaine Maxwell and Bill Clinton, with ages as young as 14—yet media fixates on his death over their trauma. Nekrasova’s Union Square meetup (60 attendees) sparked debates over QAnon ties while pushing for victim reparations from Epstein’s estate, now entangled in lawsuits and dismissed indictments, revealing how elite impunity silences justice. [Automatically generated summary]
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So welcome to a special edition of Truan.
We are here live in studio.
Actually, we're not live in studio.
We're over the.
I don't know what that means, so maybe it applies.
With me.
Yeah, we're live recording.
I am your host, one of your hosts, Brace, and joined by Liz.
And a special guest tonight, Dasha Nekrasova.
Hi, guys.
Thanks for having me.
No problem from the hit podcast Red Scare.
Yes.
Yes.
So Dasha, you are quickly gaining a reputation as a New York's biggest Epstein investigator.
It's true.
I don't want to publicize it too much out of fear for my life, but I'm at the forefront of the Epstein Truther movement in New York City, I think.
Due to my involvement with the case since his death and my ongoing investigations.
Yes.
And relentless pursuit of information.
So the day that Epstein died, you went down to the MCC, right?
I did.
I went to the MCC.
I went to the hospital.
I went to the medical examiner's office.
I went to the townhouse and then the complex.
Can you give us sort of a quick rundown of what you feel went down that day?
I don't believe that there was a body double with sort of some of the independent press outside of the hospital were kind of like saying that the media had been misdirected to the coroner's office before the body had actually left.
I don't think that's true.
I think that he was, I believe that he was murdered, as does his defense legal team, which they made a big point of bringing up the hearing.
I think, you know, that the timeline is suspicious, but that I don't, you know.
They said that he was found in his cell.
He had been dead for hours.
That doesn't seem to line up.
Yeah, ridiculous.
And now, of course, the camera doesn't work.
Yeah, there's no footage.
They want to see the footage.
They want the court.
They think it's under the court's jurisdiction to investigate independently what happened to their client, Jeffrey Epstein.
Right.
So you are also, so you were at the courthouse yesterday for the hearing.
In the courthouse.
Yeah.
I was in sitting in court.
Yeah.
So give us.
Go over to the public.
Yeah, give us kind of a rundown of like what happened just yesterday morning.
Well, Yeah, they had the hearing to sort of dismiss the indictment, which they basically have to do because of legal precedent and all that.
And no one really contested.
That wasn't really what the hearing was about.
They also used the hearing as an opportunity to let the victims speak who don't get their day in court due to Jeffrey Epstein's mysterious death.
And so that was mostly the reason for the hearing.
But then Jeffrey Epstein's defense and their opening statements really reiterated that they want to know what happened to the body.
The prosecutor, the United States, then went on to say that that's not relevant to the case.
And the judge, Judge Berman, who I think is a good guy, honestly.
Okay.
Berman?
I had, yeah, I think Berman is like maybe on the right side of history.
What makes you think that?
Well, because he held this hearing in the first place and he was really against the advice of like legal scholars who also happened to be part of Epstein's defense team.
He made a point of bringing this up.
You can read all this in the transcript.
He like described sort of what happened and he he just made a real, he put a real emphasis on like transparency and the need for transparency in this case especially and like why it's important to hear the victims speak.
How many victims did speak yesterday in total?
There were maybe 30, 25 or 30 there and they all speak.
But it was powerful to see them all in one space because they're all blonde and they all, most of them sort of grew up to be the same kind of woman also.
Okay.
What do you mean?
You know, like they all looked kind of the same.
I imagine they all probably looked similar when they were teenagers as well.
Right.
But they all, they had like a very powerful, uniform, cohesive, like glamorous blonde look.
And to have them all like grouped together was powerful.
Sounds stunning, which maybe that's not the right word I should use.
What was the sort of feeling of the general atmosphere in the courtroom?
There wasn't too much public there.
It was mostly press.
I was there to support a friend of mine who is a Jane Doe victim of Epstein's, who I helped with her testimony and then went to support her in court.
I think maybe like 15, more than a dozen, maybe 15 girls testified.
And then some lawyers, attorneys also read statements from girls who couldn't make it, some of which were harrowing.
It was very, it got very dark.
It got very like, what I liked about it was that a lot of them talked about the systemic aspect of what had happened to them.
You know, like they really hit the points that I like wanted them to hit.
Yeah.
What do you, what, like, what do you mean specifically?
Like, well, the testimony I helped my friend write sort of dealt with.
Like that there was the real injustice is sort of that.
Like there is a whole system in place that disenfranchises people, that makes them vulnerable to exploitation, like this right and that, like Jeffrey Epstein wasn't acting alone.
It's not as if, like this, was one single heinous pedophile right who happened, who these girls happened to run into.
It's like no, like this is a whole system of powerful people working together that these girls were trafficked amongst hundreds of other powerful people and that he didn't act alone.
And girls really made a point of saying that the themes were like he didn't act alone.
We still want justice.
This ruined our lives.
You know, like they, a lot of the girls described like their lives being plunged into like serious darkness after being sexually assaulted obviously um, and some of them like could barely talk.
You know it was really heartbreaking.
It was really fucked up and sad.
One girl called him a demon.
One girl described like how, Ghaslain, there was lots of Ghuslain references.
There was one reference to Bill Clinton.
Really wow um yeah yeah yeah yeah, um.
One of the girls while described like, while she was being molested, Epstein sort of positioning her in his bedroom at the ranch to look at the framed photographs of him with like politicians and celebrities, and that she sort of like dissociated while looking at these images, while being sexually assaulted.
And how old were they when this was happening?
Um 15 yeah, was seems to be the median age.
One girl was 14.
Um, there was several.
There were several attorney teams and then they all had different clients and there was one guy from Florida who had like 15 girls with him.
Women, Jesus Christ yeah, it was very I mean it really my day up for sure.
Yeah, it's been kind of crazy.
I really wanted to have you on because it's been.
I I was sort of floored by the lack of media coverage of this.
Like it felt like there's so much um, like just media like detritus after this whole Epstein affair, but then the thing that actually focused on the victims in the courthouse, talking about the heart of this freaking case, which is like the body of young girls, is getting absolutely no coverage.
The pedophilia aspect is huge for me.
Yeah, I feel like that should.
That's like integral to like the moral rot of the ruling class and I feel like the NEW YORK Times really reported on it in a way that just like reinforced the suicide angle.
You know like they really ran with details of like girls being this like because a lot of victims did reference his suicide as being a way of like re-triggering their trauma and like what a coward he is and all of that.
But I feel like putting an emphasis on that sort of supports the narrative that he killed himself, which most people don't think is true right, So you mentioned Ghillain came up quite a few times.
Was there like a general feeling in the room that people wanted to, let's say, have it out with her as well?
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah.
And most of them were recruited by Ghelane, interacted with her directly.
You know, one girl was recruited by Ghelane because she was holding a violin and she was brought to Jeffrey Epstein's townhouse to play violin for a benevolent billionaire.
That is.
you know, who ended up being Jeffrey himself.
Yeah.
No, it was like, I wish that it had been better publicized.
I like.
Yeah.
My friend was like, do you think it's going to be crazy?
Do you think there's going to be a lot of people there?
And I was like, honestly, no.
Just like I thought there would be people outside of the prison the day he died.
Like, there weren't really.
Yeah, it's just been, it's been really weird seeing the kind of, yeah, the disparity and coverage where it's like, yeah, all of the conspiracy stuff and trying to figure out and take and kind of like make shape of like a whole powerful ring is like animated in everyone's mind.
But then, you know, it's like the young women and what happened to these girls is really kind of getting brushed aside in a lot of ways.
Yeah, it's not merely like the pedophilia isn't nearly an end to black male powerful people.
It's like a symptom of like why the bourgeois mind is sick in the first place.
Exactly.
Like the depraved, like, it's just like another, another, another manner in which they're depraved, right?
Like, I mean, it's, it's aside from the violence, it's like obsessional.
In which their exploitation like knows no end.
Right.
So you've also been doing like meetups in New York additionally.
I had one meetup at Union Square.
How'd that go?
It was well attended.
There were maybe 60 or so people there.
Wow.
Really?
Yeah.
It was well attended.
It was a little unorganized because we didn't really know totally what our aims were, but I think we had, we sort of were unanimously decided that like for the purposes of if the Epstein Truther movement is about raising class consciousness, which for me it is.
Me too.
Then you have to sort of, we have to sort of be agree that he's dead, you know?
Right.
You can't really speculate as to like what happened, like if he's alive or not, because it's like we have to assume that he was dead and maybe he was murdered and like what were the mechanisms that allowed that to happen.
Yeah, I mean, to me, like it's, I mean, I find all this stuff very interesting.
And of course, like I am dedicated with my heart and soul to finding the truth to this and bringing these people to justice.
But it also doesn't really change the sort of the day-to-day situation.
Like, of course, the ruling class is depraved and preys on people.
It's just like, figure out another avenue of that doesn't change exactly what needs to happen, which is to put them all in the MCC and break the hyoid bones en masse.
Exactly.
Yeah.
But yeah, there were some digressions.
I mean, some people didn't want to talk about the pedophilia aspect as much.
Some people didn't think that we should talk about the occult angle because that made us seem like it was sort of, there was discussion of like how to separate ourselves from QAnon and like pizza gators, but then also how to like make bridges to communicate with those people as well while legitimizing Epstein Trutherism as like something that's a more cohesive movement.
Yeah.
And I don't know how we're going to do that, you know?
But well, we are right there with you with our podcast.
That's what we're hoping.
That's the number one mission.
All that we can do, all that we can do is like influence discourse, really.
Exactly.
So that is the best, the best use of our efforts, I think, which is why, you know, and like educate and like keep a conversation going.
Like Brace and I keep talking about how like we can't let the kind of like figure and symbol of Epstein get like washed away.
That like actually holding on to him is like a really important like shibboleth in a lot of ways.
And the victim hearing really like reaffirmed that for me also because it really put like a face to he ruined so many, so many, so many people's lives.
And those are just the people in the courtroom.
Like it's, it's, it kind of like it gets really dark when you start thinking about, you know, probably the hundreds, if not more, that aren't there.
Or not because not because they don't want to be or because they can't be or whatever.
It's really horrifying.
What was it?
What was it like working with this person to create or to help her write her testimony?
It was nice.
I mean, I think it was cathartic for a lot of the victims to testify and to see that like their experiences like were mirrored by other experiences people had had.
And she knew, I mean, she knew what she wanted to say.
She wanted to say something about the ruling class.
She just needed to make sense of her trauma in the context of like extreme wealth culture.
So that's really all I did was like try and contextualize the she told me the whole story and then I mean, yeah.
A detail that really stuck out to me was when she was on the ranch, she was, she crashed an ATV and another girl who was there with her told her, don't worry, like nobody gets in trouble here.
That is and that was some, that's something that she like reiterated in her statement as like something profound.
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That like, right, like these people don't get in fucking trouble.
Yeah, that is no one gets in trouble at Zora Ranch.
Right.
Were most of the victims at the ranch?
Or they were all over?
They were all over.
Yeah.
A lot of them were in New York.
Was there much interaction between the victims?
Yeah, I think that they mostly sort of like interacted with the other victims who were represented by their own attorneys.
Yeah.
But then they all were like, there was a very supportive sort of vibe amongst them in court that day, more generally.
And then what can you say about Jeffrey's defense team?
I mean, it sucks to side, like, to feel like you're siding with them, you know?
I know.
It's something I'm like having trouble with, too.
Because it's like, well, they're the ones asking the questions that would happen to his body.
And obviously, I don't trust, you know, the government to do it.
Right, of course not.
But then on the other hand, they're like, you know, are defending a horrible pedophile.
I mean, critical support for Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers.
I mean, they look like fucking ghouls.
You know, they look like what you think they would be like.
They look like, you know, goblins and stuff.
But they, I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know who else would advocate for.
Well, actually, Gloria Allred, she in her statement reiterated that, like, we do need to define out what happened to his body and it is relevant to the case.
Absolutely.
Yeah, you met her, right?
Yeah, I met her.
She was briefly.
She got me in a good seat in court.
All right.
So what do you think?
How did it end?
Like, what was the sense as it was ending?
That was it.
They like, you know, the last girl testified and then there was no one else and then they sort of dismissed the court.
And then I think it's like, it was pretty unanimously agreed on that the indictment would be dismissed.
Right.
Because that's what happens when someone dies.
The prosecutor would still continue.
They said that they would continue to try and prosecute his co-conspirators and that like his assets have been seized by the government and that they're going to be used in some kind of like crime victims rights act defense fund or something.
And what's the next step here for like the this case?
Like these women bringing lawsuits against his estate?
Yeah, I think that's next.
And that's all happening like not publicly.
Yeah, of course.
That'll happen behind closed doors.
And then what do you think is next for your meetups?
I don't know.
I'm leaving New York for a little while for work.
And I hope that there will be.
I don't know.
It's hard to organize.
It's hard to know what to do.
Right.
You know?
Yeah.
But I hope that we can, we have like, we have like a telegram.
We have a Slack channel.
We're trying to stay in touch.
I know that people are still interested.
And so if we can keep people like getting together, it was nice to have a meetup because it made me feel less like insane and alone and hopeless.
That's something we've heard a lot doing this is people being like, yeah, talking to other people about this makes me feel less insane.
I mean, I think about Jeffrey Epstein every single day.
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Me too.
Me too.
I mean, obviously.
Yeah.
Obviously.
Like, it's consumed my life, I admit.
I wish I didn't know who he was.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I wish no one did.
Well, wait, actually, I guess I just wish he didn't exist.
Yes.
Yeah.
Right.
Well, I think that it would be great for you guys to keep those meetings going just again to give people space to like, yeah, feel less insane about all of this.
And to keep it off people's minds.
Yeah, definitely.
Exactly.
And giving people a public forum for it, I think, is nice.
Yeah.
And don't forget the pedophile.
Like, let's not brush the pedophilia away.
No, not at all.
Not at all.
Yeah, because it was not just Epstein.
Exactly.
It's, you know, I mean, we haven't even talked about the Hollywood connections or anything like that or DC stuff.
Well, one of the defense, one of the victim attorneys was Harvey Weinstein's former lawyer.
Yeah, David Boys.
Yeah.
I have some complicated feelings about that.
Yeah.
There's a lot to unpack there, you know?
Yes.
Unpacking the invisible knapsack of Massad.
I mean, I believe in the Massad, the Massad conspiracy for sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, thank you so much for joining us.
Yeah, this has been great.
Of course.
Thanks for having me.
We love to have correspondents.
Yeah.
Your second correspondent venture with us.
Yeah, our little like Epstein cells that we can set up throughout the country.
Thank you guys for all your great work.
Yeah, we'll talk soon.
See ya.
Talk soon.
Bye.
Bye.
I'm happy.
That was heavy.
But this is why we did a little bit of a special, a little bit of a special episode because we wanted to get this stuff out there, even the heavy stuff.
I feel bad kind of ending it on such a dour note, but this stuff is heavy, and it's good to remember that and keep that in mind.
Yeah, like this is, you know, there are, of course, actual victims involved here.
And I, for one, hope they take his whole fucking estate.
Yeah, I also hope that, you know, I hope that we can get our hands on the court transcripts and get that out to as many people as possible.
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Because I've just, yeah, I said when we were talking to Dasha, but I've just been really, really shocked at the lack of coverage of the like actual victim statements.
Yeah, absolutely.
And it just seems really egregious.
Well, I think maybe some of the media types running these large newspapers, et cetera, probably have a little bit of skin in the game here, if you know what I mean.
Yeah, so we're going to try and get that to you guys because it's important to get that stuff out there.
Yes.
We'll be back with a regular episode tomorrow.
I think so.
Soon.
Soon?
Tomorrow-ish.
Depending on you listen to this.
And yeah, thank you.
This is, as always, your correspondence, Brace, and Liz.
With producer Young Chomsky, and we will see you soon.