June 12, 2025 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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| All right. | |
| I guess, since you said morality and purpose cannot be found in science, it would just depend on, like, what you're referencing. | |
| If you're saying a description of your psychological preferences would be considered within science, sure, but I don't think that you have to say that it comes from science in order to be, like, an atheist as an agnostic. | |
| Okay, sorry. | |
| This guy is... | |
| I'm not going to... | |
| He's a fast talker. | |
| So I'm going to go back a smidge here. | |
| He was defining God with... | |
| report by your own and voted out by you and nice to meet you I guess, since you said morality and purpose cannot be found in science, it would just depend on what you're referencing. | |
| If you're saying a description of your psychological preferences would be considered within science, sure. | |
| Description of your psychological preferences. | |
| I don't know how that would be. | |
| Morality? | |
| But let's see what he has to say. | |
| Boy, that's a fresh-faced youth, isn't it? | |
| What is it? | |
| Does it seem congenitally impossible? | |
| You can even see the ghost of the beard behind him. | |
| Is it congenitally impossible for young men to grow beards these days? | |
| I mean, I'm not a massive beard guy, but I'm a decent beard guy. | |
| I just find it wild. | |
| Like, you can't imagine this guy. | |
| You know, here's $5,000, grow a beard. | |
| No! | |
| But I don't think that you have to say that it comes from science in order to be like an atheist. | |
| As an agnostic atheist, I don't know if God exists and I don't believe that God exists. | |
| And the only ones that I would really reject would be like the all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good, perfect notion of God that plenty of Christians prescribe themselves. | |
| How is that relevant to this claim? | |
| you're basing a position of morality and purpose in some like notion of God that isn't the same type of notion of God that typical Christians would prescribe. | |
| Your notion of God is... | |
| What does he mean by prescribe? | |
| Prescribe. | |
| I'm not quite sure I understand this young man, but let's give it a shot. | |
| that isn't the same type of notion of God that typical Christians would prescribe. | |
| What typical Christians? | |
| Yeah, typically when I talk to Christians, they say that they believe in an all-knowing He's a major influence on all of Catholicism. | |
| Okay, so... | |
| God as the actual conscience, God as synonymous with the conscience, that doesn't make it. | |
| That doesn't make sense. | |
| That doesn't make sense. | |
| Because I really, really dislike it when people, and again, I'm no expert on Cartoon or Newman, I'm just going with what Dr. Peterson is saying, but I really dislike it when People say, God is the conscience. | |
| It's like, well, we already have the word conscience. | |
| Why do we need the word God? | |
| Right? | |
| And would you say, Jesus died for my conscience, and God is within me, and when I die, my conscience dies? | |
| Does that mean God also dies? | |
| When people say God is conscience, they're saying we need two words for the same thing that don't mean the same thing. | |
| Conscience is mortal and within my mind and an operation of consciousness that is personal to me. | |
| God is omnipotent, all-powerful, universal, and so on. | |
| So if the conscience is certainly within me, God is considered to be outside of me. | |
| So saying God is the conscience God is truth. | |
| It's like, we already have these words. | |
| So why would you... | |
| There's my handy-dandy little equation. | |
| And if I say, this ghost is two and two makes four. | |
| It's like, well, where do you have two and two makes four? | |
| Why do we need to staple a ghost onto something that is true, right? | |
| I mean, I certainly went through a phase in my early teens where I was not overly burdened with a conscience, certainly with regards to society. | |
| I considered myself in a state of nature with regards to society, didn't care about social rules because society had done Sweet F all to protect me. | |
| But then through philosophy, I awakened and restored my conscience, which was a very good thing for me, I think, for the world, for my family. | |
| Well, I wouldn't have my family if I didn't have a robust conscience. | |
| So when Jordan Peterson says, well, Cardinal Newman, again, argument from authority, Cardinal Newman has said that God is the conscience. | |
| It's like, but that can't be a valid thing. | |
| And I don't like taking natural forces, stapling a ghost on them, and thinking that you've added something to anything. | |
| It's like social theory. | |
| How about that, Christian? | |
| Sure. | |
| So do you believe in the all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good notion of God? | |
| What do you mean by believe? | |
| Oh, God. | |
| Oh, God. | |
| Oh, no. | |
| Oh, no, we're back here. | |
| Accept to be true! | |
| Oh, hold as a fact that exists independent of consciousness. | |
| Oh, my God. | |
| Oh, man, playing these epistemological semantic games. | |
| Oh, my God. | |
| I mean, Jordan Peterson has to know what is true because Jordan Peterson makes truth claims all the time. | |
| All the time. | |
| Jordan Peterson makes truth claims. |
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