Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux - God Is Conscience??
Aired: 2025-06-12
Duration: 05:37


=== Two Words for One Thing (04:56) ===

[00:00:00]  All right.
[00:00:00]  I guess, since you said morality and purpose cannot be found in science, it would just depend on, like, what you're referencing.
[00:00:04]  If you're saying a description of your psychological preferences would be considered within science, sure, but I don't think that you have to say that it comes from science in order to be, like, an atheist as an agnostic.
[00:00:11]  Okay, sorry.
[00:00:12]  This guy is...
[00:00:13]  I'm not going to...
[00:00:15]  He's a fast talker.
[00:00:16]  So I'm going to go back a smidge here.
[00:00:19]  He was defining God with...
[00:00:23]  report by your own and voted out by you and nice to meet you I guess, since you said morality and purpose cannot be found in science, it would just depend on what you're referencing.
[00:00:33]  If you're saying a description of your psychological preferences would be considered within science, sure.
[00:00:37]  Description of your psychological preferences.
[00:00:39]  I don't know how that would be.
[00:00:41]  Morality?
[00:00:44]  But let's see what he has to say.
[00:00:46]  Boy, that's a fresh-faced youth, isn't it?
[00:00:50]  What is it?
[00:00:51]  Does it seem congenitally impossible?
[00:00:52]  You can even see the ghost of the beard behind him.
[00:00:55]  Is it congenitally impossible for young men to grow beards these days?
[00:01:01]  I mean, I'm not a massive beard guy, but I'm a decent beard guy.
[00:01:05]  I just find it wild.
[00:01:06]  Like, you can't imagine this guy.
[00:01:07]  You know, here's $5,000, grow a beard.
[00:01:09]  No!
[00:01:10]  But I don't think that you have to say that it comes from science in order to be like an atheist.
[00:01:14]  As an agnostic atheist, I don't know if God exists and I don't believe that God exists.
[00:01:18]  And the only ones that I would really reject would be like the all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good, perfect notion of God that plenty of Christians prescribe themselves.
[00:01:26]  How is that relevant to this claim?
[00:01:29]  you're basing a position of morality and purpose in some like notion of God that isn't the same type of notion of God that typical Christians would prescribe.
[00:01:37]  Your notion of God is...
[00:01:39]  What does he mean by prescribe?
[00:01:40]  Prescribe.
[00:01:43]  I'm not quite sure I understand this young man, but let's give it a shot.
[00:01:47]  that isn't the same type of notion of God that typical Christians would prescribe.
[00:01:52]  What typical Christians?
[00:01:53]  Yeah, typically when I talk to Christians, they say that they believe in an all-knowing He's a major influence on all of Catholicism.
[00:02:04]  Okay, so...
[00:02:09]  God as the actual conscience, God as synonymous with the conscience, that doesn't make it.
[00:02:18]  That doesn't make sense.
[00:02:21]  That doesn't make sense.
[00:02:22]  Because I really, really dislike it when people, and again, I'm no expert on Cartoon or Newman, I'm just going with what Dr. Peterson is saying, but I really dislike it when People say, God is the conscience.
[00:02:38]  It's like, well, we already have the word conscience.
[00:02:40]  Why do we need the word God?
[00:02:43]  Right?
[00:02:44]  And would you say, Jesus died for my conscience, and God is within me, and when I die, my conscience dies?
[00:02:52]  Does that mean God also dies?
[00:02:54]  When people say God is conscience, they're saying we need two words for the same thing that don't mean the same thing.
[00:03:00]  Conscience is mortal and within my mind and an operation of consciousness that is personal to me.
[00:03:05]  God is omnipotent, all-powerful, universal, and so on.
[00:03:09]  So if the conscience is certainly within me, God is considered to be outside of me.
[00:03:14]  So saying God is the conscience God is truth.
[00:03:20]  It's like, we already have these words.
[00:03:21]  So why would you...
[00:03:27]  There's my handy-dandy little equation.
[00:03:30]  And if I say, this ghost is two and two makes four.
[00:03:35]  It's like, well, where do you have two and two makes four?
[00:03:36]  Why do we need to staple a ghost onto something that is true, right?
[00:04:01]  I mean, I certainly went through a phase in my early teens where I was not overly burdened with a conscience, certainly with regards to society.
[00:04:07]  I considered myself in a state of nature with regards to society, didn't care about social rules because society had done Sweet F all to protect me.
[00:04:16]  But then through philosophy, I awakened and restored my conscience, which was a very good thing for me, I think, for the world, for my family.
[00:04:25]  Well, I wouldn't have my family if I didn't have a robust conscience.
[00:04:29]  So when Jordan Peterson says, well, Cardinal Newman, again, argument from authority, Cardinal Newman has said that God is the conscience.
[00:04:39]  It's like, but that can't be a valid thing.
[00:04:42]  And I don't like taking natural forces, stapling a ghost on them, and thinking that you've added something to anything.
[00:04:49]  It's like social theory.
[00:04:50]  How about that, Christian?
[00:04:52]  Sure.
[00:04:53]  So do you believe in the all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good notion of God?

=== Awakening Conscience (00:40) ===

[00:04:56]  What do you mean by believe?
[00:04:58]  Oh, God.
[00:04:59]  Oh, God.
[00:05:00]  Oh, no.
[00:05:02]  Oh, no, we're back here.
[00:05:07]  Accept to be true!
[00:05:11]  Oh, hold as a fact that exists independent of consciousness.
[00:05:17]  Oh, my God.
[00:05:19]  Oh, man, playing these epistemological semantic games.
[00:05:23]  Oh, my God.
[00:05:27]  I mean, Jordan Peterson has to know what is true because Jordan Peterson makes truth claims all the time.
[00:05:33]  All the time.
[00:05:35]  Jordan Peterson makes truth claims.