March 21, 2025 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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Jordan Peterson on Feminism
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Let's get to your other comments.
A couple of tips would not go amiss.
A bit of a low-tip show.
Not the end of the world, but I would mightily appreciate it.
Surely would.
Did you ever hear the story?
I've never seen the movie Deliverance, but I know it's a brutal tale about the South, full of rape and so on.
And I don't know if you ever know the backstory.
The backstory is the guy, it was obviously an urban, sophisticated writer.
His car broke down and a bunch of, quote, rednecks.
Came and helped him with his car, helped him tow it to a gas station, and were perfectly polite, but he was like, well, what?
They just raped me.
And so it was the exact opposite of what happened, right?
All right.
Dr. Peterson, I assume that's of the Jordan kind and not the Jesse Lee kind.
Dr. Peterson pointed out that in politics, when politicians say they want outcome A but get result B, then they propose continuing doing the same thing to get A but still get B, but refuse to ever change what they do.
Maybe we have to consider they're lying about wanting A and really want B. Does it not seem more plausible?
Well, I mean, the purpose of a system is what it consistently achieves.
The purpose of feminism is female unhappiness.
You can't change female nature by changing female conditions.
Changing the environment does not change nature.
If it did, communism could work.
So human beings are designed to operate as all animals are, but we can do it consciously.
Human beings are designed to operate on the principle of profit, even at the calorie level.
If we don't take in more calories than we expend, or at least the same amount, we starve to death over time.
So all human beings live off profit.
But then saying, well, we can have a society where nobody cares about profit, is saying, well, if we change the environment, then we change human nature.
Which is sort of like saying, If we hold a human being underwater, he'll grow gills right away and not need his lungs.
This change in the environment does not change the biology or human nature.
Women with hypergamy, women want to...
Thank you, Jimmy.
Women want to marry up, right?
Women want to marry up.
And I talked about this with Janet Heimlich, daughter of the Heimlich Manoeuvre Guy, many years ago on the show.
I don't know, 12, 14 years ago or something like that.
I talked about this with Janet Heimlich, and she was pointing out that as women become more educated, they still want at least as educated a man, or a more educated man.
And if you talk to women, you know, they've got a master's degree, and you say, well, would you date a guy with just a high school education?
They say, no, no, no.
If I have a master's, I want a guy with at least a master's degree.
And if a woman makes $100,000, and you say, well, you date a man making $40,000.
No, God, no, it's got to at least make what I make.
Now, if income and education was a true meritocracy, in other words, if it wasn't astroturfed by government regulations and laws and lawsuits, then I think it's less than 10% of men get a postgraduate degree.
So if it was a raw meritocracy, given that there are fewer women at the higher IQ spectrum, you'd have like, I don't know, 8% of men getting a graduate degree, and then there'd be 4% of women getting a graduate degree.
So there'd still be twice as many men as women with graduate degrees.
But if you are astroturfing a bunch of women to get these semi-fake degrees with massive amounts of debt, then maybe you have 15% of women and 8% of men getting graduate degrees.
I mean, these numbers could be different in various places, but certainly it's astroturfed.
In which case then you have a lot of women chasing a small amount of men.
Because women want to marry.
To support him, to encourage him to.
Whatever, right?
And that's how she would get her pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
But now, women can, if they're dating late twenties, early thirties, mid thirties, women can already see how successful the man is.
So a successful man, who's reasonably good looking, He's like a rock star in his 30s, and women are always going to want to mate and date up, and so the more you raise women's fortunes, the fewer men they have to choose from.
The more higher you raise women's fortunes, and especially if you raise them artificially, you're just having them be perpetually dissatisfied with the men that they have available.