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June 2, 2022 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
01:02:53
THE TRUTH ABOUT THE JOHNNY DEPP TRIAL!
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Okay, so let's talk a little bit about this thing.
I think, you know, I think they're important lessons.
And listen, I know, I know, I know that people, look, and I have the same impulse.
I think we all do.
Maybe it's just me. I know it's not just me, but so we all have the same kind of impulse.
And what's the impulse? The impulse is something big is happening and How does this affect my politics, my zeitgeist, my worldview?
There's a shooting. What's the race?
Was it gun-free? Was the FBI involved?
Everybody's like, they grab this thing and they try and like Rubik's Cube fit it into their political agenda, right?
I do it. You do it.
I think we all do it.
And I understand the impulse.
It's not always the wrong impulse, of course, right?
But with this one...
I mean, it's really divided people, right?
It's really divided people. It's divided families, divided people like crazy.
And the reason being that for the people who are on the left, it's, I believe all women...
Amber Heard was a...
I'm just parodying these opinions, right?
Just so everyone's perfectly aware, right?
This is not all my opinions.
I'm just sort of saying whatever. So people are saying, oh, well, Amber Heard was a victim of patriarchal rape culture and abuse culture, and the moment she tries to stand up and push back, she gets slammed and slandered and lied about and attacked and defamed, right?
And it's just a Me Too heroine trying to shine a light on...
Evil, horrendous masculinity and its horrible, destructive, toxic effects and patriarchy just smashes her down, this brave warrior of blah, blah, blah, right?
So that's the thing, right? Because, you know, the world's nothing but toxic masculinity, toxic masculinity, right?
And what they mean is that men vote Republican, right?
Toxic masculinity is just men vote Republican.
Men want smaller government. Why?
Because we pay the fucking bills.
So, of course, we want smaller government, right?
Whereas women vote for the left.
So women are heroes. Believe all women.
I mean, it's the usual fight for your side, attack the enemy, right?
So toxic masculinity, patriarchy, blah, blah, blah.
It's just, oh, yeah, okay, we get it, we get it, we get it, we get it.
Men vote Republican, so toxic masculinity.
Because, of course, if masculinity was so toxic, then all the young boys and girls who grew up without fathers would just be the best and Most well-adjusted and healthy people on the planet.
Because, you know, if lead paint is really bad for you, then all the kids who grow up without any lead paint in the environment will be healthier, right?
And if masculinity is toxic, then all the kids who grow up without that toxic masculinity in the environment will just be super healthy.
Except the exact opposite is true.
So, that's the important thing to understand.
Everything that goes on is so shaded by the trillion-dollar back-and-forth political grab bandwagon that it's just...
Ugh, it's just horrendous.
It's just horrendous. Whites and white males are just terrible!
Toxic whiteness, blah, blah, blah.
It's like, yeah, okay, we get it.
White males are pro-free speech and pro-gun ownership and they vote for smaller government.
Yeah, we get it. Okay, just, you know, it's just demonizing political enemies.
It's all it is, right? It's all it is.
It's why we can't solve the school shooting issue, right?
Because everybody who would fix that is...
I mean, there's no actual analysis.
It's just political wrangling, right?
So... The people who try to grab onto this as a Me Too kind of thing and all that, right?
So, that's on the one side, right?
Now, on the other side, of course, there is the men's rights.
And I say this with a great deal of sympathy for men's rights.
I know it's a hot-button issue. I know it gets me in trouble.
Don't care. Don't care.
You try being me and having your mailbox fill up with unbelievable horror stories of men in the family court system.
Sorry. Sorry. I don't care whether they vote Republican or Democrat, left, right, in between, I don't care.
Men are getting chewed up alive in this slow grinding machinery of the family court system.
It's horrifying.
Absolutely horrifying. So, of course, for a lot of men, and women who love men, right?
The girl rights what category, right?
So, for a lot of men, When they see being played out in the wider sphere of society, culture and law, they see being played out the false accusations.
False accusations of abuse.
Horrifyingly, horribly common in divorce.
It has its own acronym, S-A-I-D, Sexual Abuse in Divorce.
Sexual allegations or sexual abuse allegations in divorce.
Horribly common. I've known people, not just online, but in the harrowed flesh.
So for those men who've gone through these brutal situations where you just get some lawyer who goes thermonuclear on you and convinces the woman to do the same.
So for men who've gone through this process, who've seen their fathers go through it, their brothers, their uncles, gone through it themselves, they're looking at this and saying, oh man, Society's got to wake up to false allegations of abuse from women to men.
So those are the two polls, and I think one of them is specifically political, but the other one is quasi-political insofar as family courts cater to women because women vote for the left.
It's just, you know, that's the consequence, right?
And this is why vetting is so fundamentally important.
So So the verdict came out, and I don't, you know, I'm not a lawyer.
I don't understand half of this stuff.
I'll be straight up front with you.
Maybe you do, but you can explain it to me.
So my knowledge, limited though it is, is that it's easier to prove defamation in England than it is in America, if you're a public figure.
So in America, if you're a public figure, you have to prove actual malice.
On the part of the person.
Reckless disregard for truth, actual malice.
Right, so basically, if a reporter writes defamatory stuff about you, or horrible stuff about you, the fact that you can prove it false, if you're a public figure, the fact that you can prove it false means jack shit.
Right, you might get a correction, but you won't get punitive damages or damages, right?
So what you have to do, again, my amateur understanding, what you have to do in America, if you're a public figure, Is you have to prove actual malice or a reckless disregard for the truth.
Now, actual malice is, oh, I know this stuff's false, but I hate that guy.
Okay, well, reporters are never going to write that down because they know that's a standard.
They're never going to write that down.
They're never going to tell anyone. Even if it's their motive, it's never going to be provable because they know that that's a standard that will screw them, right?
If they write down, oh, I know this stuff's false, but I hate that guy, I want to destroy him, so I'm going to write it anyway, right?
They're never going to say that. That's not a thing.
That doesn't happen, right? That's the kind of thing where once you identify that standard, it'll never happen.
A reckless disregard for the truth is like, I don't know, you didn't vet anything, you didn't check anything, but that's real hard to prove as well, right?
What is a reckless disregard for the truth?
Eh, not really an objective legal standard or whatever, right?
This is hard to define. Whereas in the UK, I don't think that those same restrictions...
I think it just has to be a false and some sort of measurable and objective harm.
Now, the measurable and objective harm that Johnny Depp received because of these allegations...
I mean, he was thrown out of...
Was it Fantastic Creatures?
I mean, he can't get any work.
I mean, he's one of the most popular movie stars in the world.
Now, admittedly, he's aging out and his former...
You know, sultry, Cherokee, gorgeous, youthful face and figure have been replaced by a bit of an aging shoe-leather wino thing that's going on.
But, you know, nonetheless, you know, actors can get roles as they age.
Even actors renowned for their physical beauty, such as Johnny Depp.
I mean, the guy obviously is a very talented actor and performer and so on.
But yeah, I mean, the measurable, the economic damage that has occurred to him as a result of these things.
Is, I mean, horrendous and very specifically measurable.
And this is tough because I think he faces a pretty massive tax bill.
I think he had some accountants for which there seemed to be some hinky stuff, and I think that's wending its way through the courts as well.
But the guy faces a huge...
Oh, somebody says, malice is a required element.
Reckless disregard can show malice.
Yeah, I mean, you could infer malice, but again, you're then two steps.
You've got to define reckless disregard and then how it infers malice and Things get pretty sketchy, right?
So, again, I know it's civil, not criminal.
Nobody goes to jail, but you've got to pay a lot of money, so it's preponderance of evidence or 51% rather than 95% for criminal stuff, which is proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
So, I mean, Johnny Depp's got a lot of taxes to pay, but He can't get a job that pays him any money, right?
So, I mean, he's kind of fighting for his life here, I think.
Again, I don't know, right?
This is just sort of my, you know, circle by understanding of it, right?
I think he owes a lot in taxes, and if he can't make money as a film star, he's got no chance of, it's not like his album's going to sell, right?
Hollywood winos or whatever it is, Hollywood vampires.
So, yeah, I mean, he's really fighting for his life, and this has been going on for, what, six or seven years, this whole thing, right?
So, yeah, the false allegation thing is really touching a nerve.
And there are, of course, many, many, many people who have gone through this ringer and watched their ex-wives or sometimes even ex-girlfriends, if you're in a palimony situation, they've watched their ex-wives and ex-girlfriends just kind of sail off into the sunset and While they're, you know, struggling to stay out of jail.
And, oh man, it's just, it's brutal, right?
The Dave Foley stuff and all that.
It's just, it's unbelievable what can happen.
So, these false allegations.
So, I'm going to just read some of the details about this sort of false...
Allegation stuff. Now, I don't know why.
Honestly, I don't know. I have a theory, which I won't get into here, but I don't genuinely know why, if anybody does have more insight into this.
Why did she sit down with a group and write this op-ed about domestic abuse in the first place?
Why? I have no idea.
I have no idea why. But that's kind of what it all is going.
So here's the issue, right?
I'm going to read from The New Republic.
So the evidence in the case strongly suggests that Hurd has told numerous significant lies and largely misrepresented her status as a victim of abuse.
Whether or not the op-ed at the center of the trial meets the necessarily high standards to constitute defamation is.
You don't have to hate women or love the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise to honor deep misgivings about Heard's credibility.
The evidence on offer is difficult to discount.
Multiple audio recordings, some recorded as part of a therapy assignment, others surreptitiously by a second party, feature Hurd admitting to hitting Depp and refusing to promise to stop instigating physical fights, calling him a fucking baby for attempting to diffuse volatile arguments by leaving the room over his pleas that there can be no physical violence.
Trying to get him to stay in the room during a fight by saying she'll die if he leaves.
Admitting she hurls pots and pans when angry and mockingly saying that no one will believe him if he goes public as a victim of domestic violence.
Multiple witnesses describe personally seeing Hurd physically assaulting Depp, including former estate managers and several former security guards.
Heard's former assistant recounted the actress once spitting on her.
After one contested incident that resulted in part of Depp's fingertip getting sliced off, there's an audio recording of the security team discussing which of them should escort Heard by plane back home to Los Angeles and whether it should be someone better at mollifying her anger or someone strong in case she, quote, kicks off.
An independent medical examiner Subsequently hired as an expert witness for Depp's side, testified that Heard's symptoms were not consistent with PTSD, but were consistent with exaggeration.
Meanwhile, Heard has described horrific and frequent beatings and rapes at Depp's hands, a pattern of violence that apparently left her in fear for her life.
Heard has contended that Depp's abuse left extensive injuries and allegedly occurred in the presence of multiple witnesses.
She hasn't come close to persuasively corroborating these claims.
Multiple people who had contact with Hurd in personal and professional capacities, including several medical professionals, simply didn't see evidence of the injuries Hurd described.
Photos and videos that she's entered into evidence have documented Depp's problems with drugs and alcohol use and ashamed post-bender apologies.
Concerning episodes of property destruction and a toxic pattern of mutual name-calling.
Her photo evidence of injuries, however, are decontextualized and simply not in league with her descriptions of them.
One picture she has said depicts her face with two black eyes, a broken nose, and a split lip.
It doesn't obviously contain any of these things, save for a small mark near one eye that could have any number of plausible causes.
Her most significant eyewitness is her own sister, Whitney Enriquez, whose former colleague and roommate has claimed that Enriquez had apparently moved out of Depp and Hurd's home because she was scared of her sister and contemporaneously confided that Enriquez saw Hurd attack Depp, not the other way around, an account corroborated by Depp's bodyguard on duty.
So, I'm going to guess that's probably why It played out the way it played out with the verdict coming down today.
Now, again, I don't know why this thing happens, but he was suing her for 50 mil, I think.
She was suing him for 100 mil.
And let me see here.
I'm just going to get, maybe it's changed a little bit, or there's a better explanation since I last read about this.
But, let's see here, yeah, a jury ruled in favor of Johnny Depp in his defamation case, but also gave her some cheddar as well, right?
So, a seven-week trial, a seven-member jury ruling in favor of Depp, awarding him $15 million over his defamation case against his ex-wife.
The jury also awarded her $2 million, finding that Depp had defamed her through his attorney.
So, that's interesting.
Thank you.
So, yeah, I mean, are they going to appeal?
They probably are. I don't know why you can get someone who you're suing for defamation, who is countersuing you for defamation, how you can both win.
I don't know. I don't understand.
I'm not a lawyer. So, I don't really...
I understand that. If anybody knows, please let me know, but I don't do as many interviews with lawyers as I used to do, so that's the way it is.
But here's the thing, right?
Here's the thing. Look, there are two people who had miserable childhoods.
I don't know much about hers, but his for sure.
You know, a violent mother who was crushingly depressed and his dad vanished on them and so on, right?
Just... A very, very horrible childhood.
He was sneaking his mom's pills when he was, I think, 10 and got into drugs in his teens and all that kind of stuff, right?
So it's a pretty horrible childhood that he went through.
And, you know, it is kind of sad that, you know, what's that old line from, I think it's Leonard Cohen, it's like everything is broken, that's how the light gets in.
There is a funny thing, like creativity comes out of a truly cracked and broken soul.
Like you smash up a child's soul and what?
What bleeds out is violence and creativity.
And if you have a creative streak, then you become very creative.
If you have a violent streak, you become fairly criminal.
You smash the soul egg and out comes demons and angels.
And clearly these are people with few angels and a lot of demons.
So... Was she an appealing person?
Of course not. As a person, like as a soul, was she an appealing person?
Of course not. So what did she have going for her?
Physical beauty. No question.
She's a beautiful woman. I mean, one of the top ten faces since Helen of Troy, right?
So a beautiful woman, no question.
Was she very talented? I don't know.
I think I saw her in Aquaman and she was like a wig with a blue man suit get up.
That's as far as I can remember or anything about her really at all.
But even if she was talented, it doesn't mean that she's a good person.
In fact, talent can often give you an excuse to be a perfect monster because people need you.
They need you for their income. They need you to make money for them.
They need you for their paycheck. And so it can enable you to become a perfect monster.
Talent can be unbelievably destructive for a personality.
Talent is like steroids for narcissism.
And it's monstrous.
I remember when I... Made my first short movie many years ago.
I went to the Hollywood Film Festival and there was a panel about how to get into the film industry or something and somebody mentioned Harvey Kittel and one of the women up there was like, oh yeah, Harvey's great.
Oh yeah, we're on a first syllable basis.
They're just kind of name dropping and just like, I don't know, it's gross to me.
It's gross. And so she's not appealing...
Except for her looks, right?
She ain't pretty. She just looks that way.
So what does she have going for her?
Well, high status, some wealth, but mostly like a lot of crazy women, right?
The sex is great until you wake up with a knife at your throat and a badger in your pants, right?
Trust me. So that's the only thing she's got going for her.
Now, with regards to him, is he a wonderful guy?
No. Like, no.
And I say this with some sympathy for his childhood, but the dude's in his 50s, for God's sakes.
You know, you should have cleaned up your shit by now, right?
certainly got the money for it so you have two broken people whose venom and vanity have been totally steroided up by talent and wealth and fame and looks and those are the real people
Like what you see on screen?
Complete fantasy, right?
Bottle smashing, drug binges, physical violence, split lips, attacks, sliced fingers.
That's the real people.
Those are the real people because that's what they're doing.
When the cameras are off.
Now, of course, we only know about some of what they're doing because the recordings are on, but some of these recordings, they didn't even know they were being recorded, right?
So, you know, strip away the noise, the glitz, the glamour, all of that.
Those are the real people. Mask off, right?
You get down to the core. Two broken children With vastly inflamed material wealth, charisma, beauty, and fame.
Two children deep down in the machinery of exaggeration that characterizes modern celebrity.
But you take all of that away.
You have two toddlers desperately at war with their parents lashing out at each other.
And this is the price of a lack of self-knowledge.
Anybody with self-knowledge, let me speak to the men here, right?
Anybody with self-knowledge, we know as men that there are fertility markers that we are going to respond to whether we like it or not.
Some of those fertility markers could be different for different guys, could be an ass man, could be a boob man, could be a leg man, could be whatever, right?
But there are fertility markers that will work to destabilize us.
Women have, and it's not their fault that women have them, and it's not our fault that this is how we respond, but you've got to know this shit about yourself.
I mean, you just have to, right? Otherwise, you're just a three-year-old with a bag full of candy, right?
You just eat until you get sick.
So your basic self-knowledge is, if someone like Amber Heard comes into your vicinity, you've got to know your susceptibility.
You've got to know your weakness.
You've got to know where you're going to fall.
You've got to know the cracks that can easily swallow you up, so to speak.
I haven't told this story for a while, so I'll touch on it briefly here.
I used to go to this on my Sunday afternoons before my modern life.
Oh, they were sweet, man.
I'd go and do an hour and a half of Ashtanga yoga.
And then I would go and get an hour and a half aromatherapy massage.
This unbelievably great Chinese masseuse, man.
She was just fantastic. And...
I mean, you do an hour and a half of ashtanga yoga, you do an hour and a half of aromatherapy massaging, you are just a puddle of sheer relaxation, right?
Now, in the yoga class was, you know, a couple of women who were tense, like with just straight up tense, right?
Now again, I was a single guy back then.
So I always aim high.
So I'd chat with the women. I'd chat with the yoga teacher and all that.
You know, just see if there was any mutual interest or whatever, right?
And anyway, so I was chatting with this one woman.
I mean, just stunning.
Like the kind of thing where I'm a fairly self-possessed guy, but you know, you've got to keep your alert about you because part of you is just like doing that wolf whistle, Jim Carrey mask thing, right?
And she was all like, yeah, you know, it's interesting that you're an entrepreneur because I've got a great idea for a business and, you know, I just, I need a hundred grand to get started and blah, blah, blah, blah, right?
And, you know, part of me could hear my wallet flying towards me like some deranged spermicidal butterfly saying, oh, well, maybe we could get that money together and maybe we could get that business going because then we'd have business meetings and you'd get to know how wonderful you are.
She could be your girl. Like, just crazy, insane stuff, right?
Because, you know, you see a 10 and your resources are just trying to escape you.
It's like watching that alien come out of John Hurt's chest.
Must break free!
Or that baby from the movie It just clawing its way out of its mother.
Resources must fight free and attach on ovaries!
We've all been there, right?
We've all been there.
And I literally, you know, if I had been able to delicately and surreptitiously punch myself in the nads, I would have.
Absolutely. Like, you need to keep a little hot poker pincer thing in your pocket to just jam it down and sizzle your nuts off so that you don't do anything stupid, right?
And I literally had, oh, wow, you know, that's interesting.
Best of luck, blah, blah, blah, right?
And, of course...
Whether it was unconscious or not, she's looking for resources, right?
She knows she's got the beauty.
I mean, if she'd been some 250-pound chunker, right, she would be sitting there saying, I only need 100 grand.
Maybe you can get a meeting with me.
So, I was a young man, but I knew enough about myself to, like, not go down that road, right?
Because you know what's going to happen.
You're going to somehow raise a hundred grand for this woman.
And you're going to say, let's have a business meeting.
And you know what she's going to say?
Yeah, my boyfriend will be there too.
You know. You know.
That's what you're going to have to live with.
You know. Or she's just going to string you along until she gets the money.
Because, you know, we're back to the before mentioned you never have to pay for dinner, right?
So knowing that resources are going to fight their way free of your wallet and land like green vultures on some woman's cleavage, yeah, okay, that's just something you've got to know.
It's the same thing with Amber Heard, right?
Same thing with Amber Heard. Now, I don't know much about Amber Heard other than what I've heard, but obviously she's a mess.
She's just a complete mess.
Yeah, see, people say she ain't pretty enough for that emasculating shit.
I don't know if you... Amber Heard? Like, Amber Heard is a beautiful woman.
Like, I don't care which way you slice, you know, what you're...
Like, she is objectively...
I mean, it's like saying, well, Salma Hayek, you know, okay figure.
Like, no, no. Salma Hayek has a bizarre back flap of a Playboy Trucker's Fantasy curvaceous Fertility symbols of the gods.
Salma Hayek looks like one of those ancient carved African fertility goddesses you'd rub on a woman who couldn't give birth to the point where she'd spontaneously give birth out of her eyeballs.
Amber Heard is beautiful and Johnny Depp when he was younger was gorgeous.
I know more about Johnny Depp's talent but they're completely messed up people.
I'm always trying to keep Me, you, people interested in philosophy, what am I trying to keep you safe?
I'm going to keep you safe, right?
So, I don't want you guys to get caught up in anything like this.
Anything like this. Man, I had a pretty messed up childhood.
I was never involved in anything within a million miles of this kind of stuff.
Yeah, I had some cantankerous relationships here and there, but, you know.
Nothing. Nothing within a billion zillion miles of anything like this, right?
You know, maybe a little bit of raised voices here and there.
That's it, right? No even any name-calling, right?
Just exasperation, right?
So, please, I'm on my knees.
I'm begging you.
Reward the virtuous women.
I remember, I think in junior high school when I first started getting interested in dating, I went after the pretty girl who was not a great person.
And I remember there was a woman, a girl, obviously a girl, I don't know, I was like 15 or 16, right?
A girl who sat next to me. She was a really good cello player and she wore a t-shirt that said cello power.
Now, you know, I'm happily married now and have been for almost 20 years, but looking back, it's like, no, I should have gone for the girl who With the cello power t-shirt.
She's probably a super nice person.
Was she gorgeous? No.
Was she hot? No. But she was a solid woman who would be a great wife and a great mom.
Again, just looking back, you know, if you ever listen, ever hear of this, sorry.
I was a hormone-based life form with enough testosterone to power Fukuyama plant.
So... Oh, Salma Hayek was the one I was talking about.
It's got the general outline.
Salma Hayek is like, you know, when I was a kid, you'd draw naked women, and that's basically all you could think of was this ridiculous, like there's no straight line on Salma Hayek's body.
So, please, please give the good women a second look.
Because, you know, it's really tough.
You know, there are so many good women out there.
And the good women, look, they're not super hot.
They're like, but it's okay.
You're not Elon Musk, right?
Neither am I, right?
So there are all these good women out there.
And you know what they do? I tell you what it's like to be a good woman, right?
Now, a good woman is not going to push her tits in your face.
She's not going to stick her butt out.
She's not going to put on a lot of makeup.
She's not going to manipulate you in that kind of way.
Because she wants to be chosen for who she is, not because you've got a penis.
All the good women, let me tell you, just so you understand.
The good women are out there.
And the good women See the hot, crazy women.
Now, they see the crazy because they don't care about the hot because they're straight women, right?
So they look at the crazy women and they see all the guys, all the guys, circling and circling and asking and this and that and the other.
And they know that this woman is a total Venus flytrap that's going to gorge on their penis and leave nothing behind other than living in a lot and a puddle of drained regret, right?
And so all of these...
Good women, they have a tough time looking at us guys, man, because they just know.
We just walk into these blenders.
You know, we're basically mounting the old school pencil sharpeners saying, oh, hey, I put my dick in here.
What happens if I crank this handle?
Hurts so good.
Come on, baby, make it hurt so good.
So they're just like, oh my God, what is wrong with these guys?
Yeah, I get that she's pretty, but I'm a good person.
I'm a good person. People say there's good women, but I still have to be somewhat attracted.
Well, I'd question that.
I'd question that. You see, we men, like, you know, women are constantly talking about, and I think it's a fair thing, right?
So, we men are constantly exposed to the one in a million women who look that way.
You know, Advertisements in TV or whatever is on the internet.
You see these one in a million women who look that way and you imprint on that and that becomes your average.
You consume women through the media, then hot women, that becomes your average.
It's like somebody who's addicted to cocaine saying, Well, yeah, I could go birdwatching, but I have to be stimulated.
It's like, don't you think your stimulation's been a little messed up by, I don't know, facefuls of cocaine over the years?
So do you have realistic standards for female attractiveness?
Do you have realistic standards for female attractiveness?
And especially relative to yourself.
Because, you know, if you look at most couples, end up of similar levels of attractiveness.
Right? Similar levels of attractiveness.
My wife is about, physically, is about as attractive as I am.
I think she's great.
She thinks I'm great. Who else cares?
Doesn't matter. And you look at this, right?
Now, you'll see some mismatches, right?
You know, the millionaire with the whatever, right?
So, yes, women...
I get this.
Women also fall into the trap.
Okay, for God's sakes, guys.
I hate to say man up because it's such a goofy phrase, but for God's sake, man up.
We're talking about men and you want to pivot to women.
Well, women need to change their...
Forget that, man.
I'm talking to you. If you immediately pivot to women, you're missing the whole point.
You can't go around changing women's levels of perception and attractiveness.
You can only work on your own.
When I say to you, you need to have a realistic sense of how attractive women are, especially relative to how attractive you are, and you say, well, women have unrealistic standards, you're just dodging what I'm saying.
It's a cowardly move.
It's a cowardly move.
And I say this with love.
I say this with respect.
And I say this with a deep, near-fatherly desire to protect you.
It's the shallow hell thing, right?
Find a good woman.
Find a woman you can trust.
Find a woman who will support you.
Find a woman with character.
A robust woman.
A woman of ethics.
A woman of moral strength.
A woman you can trust.
Now, if you go for the super high demand...
Barbie caricature women, they're always going to have other options than you, my friend.
They're always going to have other options than you.
Find someone. You're the best they can do.
They're the best you can do.
And I'm not talking physically.
What's the lesson that comes out?
These are two of the most beautiful people on the planet.
Johnny Depp a little bit more in the past.
They're two of the highest value people on the planet from a material and look standpoint.
And they were literally tearing each other apart.
It was like watching two cheese graters trying to get it on in a windstorm.
Somebody says, so true, but I can still draw one line.
Can't be obese. Well, yeah, of course.
Of course. Like, obesity is...
A true tragedy. A true tragedy.
Oh my god, and the number of lies people say.
Oh, but I don't eat much, but I still keep gaining weight.
No, no. Physically impossible.
No, no. Physically impossible.
Otherwise, you found some beyond perpetuation motion machine.
Perpetual motion machine. You've actually found something where you put in less energy and get out more energy.
because fat is just stored energy, right?
Somebody says, I don't know if this is a song maybe, remember when I was in the grocery store?
Now's my time. Lost the words.
Lost the nerve. Lost the girl.
Left the line. I would wish upon a star, but that star, it doesn't shine.
So I read my book with a boring ending, a short story of a lonely guy.
It is horrible for women.
And listen guys, you've got to get this.
It's horrible for the good women to watch all the men chase men.
These pretty evil witches off a fucking cliff.
They literally want to just slap a silly and say, wake up, I'm a good woman.
You know she's crazy.
You know she's high maintenance.
You know that she's not going to settle down.
You know she's got substance abuse issues.
You know that she's never going to be a mom.
At least not a good one.
It is horrible for good women to watch all the men chase these pretty vapid demons right into the meat grinder, right into the, dare I say it, sausage grinder because of a lack of self-knowledge.
The pretty women did not earn their prettiness.
The hot women did not earn their hotness.
And somebody says here, yoga pants should not exist.
That's my first law. Fuck women, it's true.
Fuck Steph, it's true, but it's so hard not to look at hot women.
Okay, look at the hot women.
That's fine. Look at the hot women.
And say, yeah, that's a hot woman.
I can feel that physical response.
And you understand, your physical response is not you.
Your physical response, I'm not just talking like an erection or anything, but your physical response towards a hot woman is your lizard brain.
Your lizard brain is not you.
Like your leg, everyone's got a leg.
Almost everyone, right?
Your leg is not you.
It's not individual to you.
Oh, look, I have an eyeball.
What an individual. Hey, man, everyone's got an eyeball.
Some even have two. Your physical response, your lust, your alertness, your attention, your dilation of your pupils, whatever's going on for you, your erection, that's not you.
That's just lizard brain programmed bullshit.
And I got no problem with that.
That's fine. You know, it's why we're all here.
I get that. But it's not you.
And it's not her either.
That's just blood rushing around a body.
penis, vagina, that's it.
Vaginas are as common as noses.
Or at least one nostril of the nose.
It's not you.
Lust is not you. You know, it's like I was filling up gas the other day.
God help me. I was filling up gas the other day and, you know, the convenience store, right?
They got the window and on the window was like one of those really scrumptious photos of a slice of pizza, right?
I wasn't even that hungry.
And I look at that and I'm like, oh my God, that is like Perfectly programmed to hit my taste buds and I literally felt myself drooling.
Now, I didn't buy any pizza.
I went in, I don't know, paid for the gas, got a bottle of water or something.
So, but I know that, right?
That just, was my drooling me as an individual?
No! They didn't even know I was going to be there.
Unless they did. No, they didn't even know.
So they just, oh, here's the most attractive...
Picture of a pizza that we can possibly find.
They did a whole bunch. They took the photos.
They took 50 photos or 100 photos of pizza.
And they did a test market with a whole bunch of people sit down.
Which do you find the most attractive picture of the pizza?
Boom, boom, boom. That's your picture.
Right? They're trying to hit my salivary glands and my physical reaction to delicious looking food.
It's not me. It's not personal to me.
It doesn't differentiate me.
It's not who I identify as.
It's nothing specific to me.
Now, I write a book, as I just did, the future, freedomain.locals.com.
You get your copy there. You've got to sign up.
It's a couple of bucks a month. Well, worth it.
Plus, you get, I don't know, dozens of bonus podcasts and a pretty great community to chat with.
So, I write a book.
Okay, that's me. I do this podcast.
That's me. Guaranteed.
Nobody else could do it the way that I'm doing it.
A boner? That's not you.
You know... Here's my big standard, right?
It's my big standard. You ready?
Ready to have your mind blown? Here's my big standard.
If dogs can do it, it ain't you.
Can dogs get boners?
Yes, they can. When dogs see food, do they drool?
Yes, they do. You understand?
It's like saying taking a dump is me.
Can dogs take a dump? Yes, they can.
It's not you. That's just the machinery of your body.
It's like saying, I'm an individual and special because of my kidney.
Do dogs have kidneys?
Yes, they do! Women have asses.
They jam them into yoga pants and sometimes those asses look good.
Do dogs have arses? Yes, they do.
Do other dogs get turned on by those arses?
Yes, they do! It's just base, physical, level rutting.
And again, I'm not hostile to it.
There's no big mind-body dichotomy going on here.
It's fine. I like a good meal.
Sex is wonderful. I'm not saying these are bad things.
I'm just saying have the knowledge to not be controlled by nature's blind photocopier.
Don't be R selected.
Somebody says, Steph, it's like you're reading my mind through the screen.
Today I was just thinking about callers who were dicknapped and remembered always feeling baffled that something like that can happen to someone who listens to this show.
Yes.
Yeah, I remember Jung many years ago when I was reading it.
I went through quite a long phase of reading.
Gustav Jung.
And he was talking...
Oh, the guy got attracted to some younger redhead, and Jung wrote it like, he fell happily into this pit.
It was a disaster. Left his wife, blew up his...
but he fell happily into this pit.
Yeah.
She's got the right curve.
She's got the right body.
And it's dog on dog, man.
It's just mammal on mammal.
You're just programmed this way.
You just program. Wherever you are programmed, you are not yourself.
Programming makes you not yourself.
Now, this is programming.
Yes, it's exploited by the media and the internet and so on, but we're just hardwired into it.
It's just how we're programmed. So, the Amber Heard thing is that these are two people who were drawn to each other through superficialities and hated themselves and each other for it.
Two people drawn to each other by superficialities and hated themselves and others for it.
A woman who puts herself on sexual display, like there's this crazy thing these days, it's been going on for a couple of years, like the short shorts, right?
all the girls are in these short shorts and it's ridiculous Like, you know, the short's so short you can see the curve of the butt cheek starting.
It's like, for God's sakes, just wear a hairband and call it a day.
Just wear a...
Nah. The butt floss bikinis, right?
But the short shorts, okay, so the short shorts with the bare midriff, this is the new thing, right?
Like, it's like half a sports bra and the short shorts and maybe some platform heels, right?
So that's the new thing these days, right?
Okay, so what is the woman doing?
When she's got more flesh than clothes, and there's no pole nearby, what she's saying is, all I have to offer is everything I have in common with every other woman, which is a vagina.
All I have to offer is electromagnetic base ECT stimulation of your balls.
All I have to offer is strip mining The legacy of hormones from our ape days.
That's all I got, man.
That's all I got. And it's really tragic.
It's really sad.
Because the women who push forward their sexuality will always end up hating you.
I guarantee you that.
You sign up for that, you are going to get lacerated horribly.
The woman who pushes forward her sexuality is saying, I don't have any personal qualities that you would be able to recognize, so I'm just going to push forward my tits and ass, right?
Now, it's not so much that you're attracted to her that makes her hate you.
It's the fact that you're going to have to end up lying about it.
Because you're attracted to her for her flesh, which she shares with everyone else.
You're attracted to her and will give her resources and data or try to because of things that neither of you earned.
Right? She did not earn her flesh and you did not earn sexual desire.
It just programmed into us, built into us.
You know, like you have to work to learn Japanese.
You don't have to work to find hot women attractive.
That just happens. Like, you know, you go to sleep one day and girls are kind of annoying and you don't want them on your baseball team and you wake up the next day and it's like, oh, rip my own arm off for a date with this girl?
Well, totally.
Yeah, I can.
I mean, I don't need to applaud that much in my life.
Somebody says, I don't understand why this stuff is wrong.
UPB doesn't ban any of this.
So, you're conflating two things, right?
Aesthetically preferable actions, APA and UPB. So, UPB does not ban you from getting involved with a woman who's dangerous and destructive.
It may ban her violence, but I'm talking APA, Aesthetically Preferable Actions.
So, if you're focusing on UPB, it's, I mean, are you in danger of wanting to rape or kill or assault or steal from people?
Probably not. So, forget about UPB as far as your own personal life goes.
So, 99.99999% of the moral decisions in your life are going to be about aesthetically preferable actions, or at least the ethical decisions.
The ethical decisions are, do I date a woman with all these red flags simply because of lust?
That's a bad idea. So she'll hate you because you have to lie to her.
Because you're only attracted to her flesh, but you're going to have to lie and say you like her as a person.
And the fact that you lie to her to get her into bed, she will wake up hating you.
Now, it may take a while, but it's going to happen.
It's going to happen.
She's going to hate you. And you're going to hate yourself for having to lie to her, for deceiving her in order to have sex, for becoming a predator.
Predators deceive to get what they want.
They sneak up. They jump.
And so you are going to have to lie to that woman to get sex.
And she's going to know that you're lying.
And you're going to know that you're lying.
But you're going to let lust turn you into a liar.
And then you'll just...
She'll hate you.
You'll hate yourself. It's gross.
It's a bad, bad situation to be in.
Let's see here.
just catch up on this.
So give the good girls a chance.
Okay.
Say, oh, well, I'm not attracted to her.
It's like, well, there's only lust at first sight.
Maybe if you get to know her, you'll find her attractive.
Maybe if you get to know her as a person, you will find her attractive and that attractiveness will last and improve her whole life.
You know the heart is going to fade.
My God, just look at Amber Heard.
She's like 36. Now I get no sleep, trial, stress, blah, blah, blah.
But she's puffy as hell and doing strange things with that.
Kleenex seems to be inhaling when she should be exhaling.
But she's already passed her prime 36. 6.
Love a woman's virtues, those virtues will only increase over time.
You love a woman for her looks, those looks will fade and be replaced by bitterness.
Somebody says, do most pretty women hate you for being attracted to them in some way?
So, I think what happens is, it's a very hard thing, and I have sympathy for pretty women this way, I really do.
So, for a pretty woman, she knows that she can get massive amounts of male attention, but it's only for her flesh, not for her personality.
And the men are going to lie to her.
And they're not going to say, I don't care who you are, you're just pretty, and I want to have sex with you.
But I don't care who you are. I have no interest in you as a person, your flesh is appealing to me, right?
But no, they're going to have to put all kinds of charm on and lie about how interesting you are, how wonderful you are, she's cute and funny, she makes me laugh, blah, blah, blah.
It's just lying, right? So the woman has this superpower called beauty, which will attract men and resources.
And men, we don't really have the superpower, so we really don't understand it, right?
You don't understand it, right?
But it would be like, if you're a man and you have to really show off your wealth in order to get any female attention, any female attention, right?
So you have to go, you've got to pull up in a Lamborghini, you've got to wear one of those Conor McGregor $3 million watches, you've got to just like, you've just got to, you know, you've got to have your, I don't know, cryptocurrency balance, well, maybe not these days, like scrolling on your forehead, right?
You've got to just talk money, talk money, talk money, and if you talk enough money, women will be interested in you.
Well, won't you kind of hate yourself and them and feel lonely and isolated and bitter and angry?
Like, I've got to pay all these bills.
I've got a champagne room.
I've got a champagne service, a VIP room.
I've got to spread out all of this money, and then women will sit with me.
They're only interested in the money.
They don't care about me. Let's say you inherited that money, so you didn't even earn it.
Because that's like women inherit beauty.
They don't earn it. So if you could never get any female attention without throwing around wads of cash, wouldn't you have significant contempt for all the women who were like, oh, you're wonderful, oh, you're so interesting.
It's like, no, you're just here for the money.
So... You either go for stuff now and pay later, or you go for looks now and pay later, or you go for quality and you live in beauty for the rest of your life.
Expanding beauty. Somebody said, you're wrong, Stefan.
Women don't have personalities.
Well, that's not true at all.
That's not true at all. What you're saying, see, you think that you're insulting women, and maybe you're trawling or just joking or whatever, but, you know, All you're telling me is that the women in your life don't have personalities, which means you're just saying, women who have personalities, I can't get with them.
I can't get with women who have personalities.
I can't get with women who have virtues.
They're not interested in me. I can get with women who don't have personalities.
I can get with broken, subjugated women who don't express any personal thoughts or opinions.
I can get with those women.
And you think you're insulting women by saying you can't get a quality woman?
Women don't. There are no quality women.
It's like, well, you're just saying that You're just confessing that you can't arouse the interest of a quality woman.
And then you think you're insulting women.
women.
It's like, this is just Russian roulette, right?
So yeah, if you want to understand pretty women, just imagine if you had to splash around money to get any female attention, You just have contempt, right? Equality women were washed away by nihilism.
Oh, my God. Just be a leader, for God's sakes.
Do you think that you just have to take everyone as they are?
Do you think I just took...
Oh, this is the way philosophy is in the world.
I guess I can't do anything about it.
It's just the way the world is.
A lot of spanking. I just can't do anything about it.
For God's sakes, man. Be a leader.
Be a leader. You can lead a woman away from nihilism.
Be someone strong and inspiring and noble and heroic and then the right women who will want to go that way will get with you.
Just be willing to be a leader.
Just don't take the world as it is.
That's nihilism. Saying the world is as it is and I can't change it.
That's nihilism. Complaining about nihilism is a perfect manifestation of nihilism.
Well, the women are the way they are.
Because of the Marxists and the cultural relativists and the nihilists and the women are...
No, they're not.
Be a leader. I mean, all of the things that you enjoy in this world were there because people took leadership.
And don't be a leadership sponge, right?
And just take all of the great things that leaders have.
You know, I'm kind of a leader in the realm of philosophy and you're listening to this show, so it's a good thing someone's taking leadership, right?
Even if it's not you. No, no, no.
Can you lead a hot girl to be good?
No. If you're only interested in her because she's hot, you have no power in the situation and you're just going to get wrecked.
So forget about the hot girl.
Go for virtue.
Go for virtue.
I've said this before, I'll say it again.
Choose your future spouse, your girlfriend.
Choose your girlfriend who you get engaged to, your future spouse.
As if your children get the deciding vote in who you marry.
As if your children, think about what is best for your children.
What would your children want the most?
What would your children like the most?
What do they need?
The baby doesn't care that much if the mom's heart, what they care about is, is she going to love them consistently and be there for them?
That's what the babies care about.
All right.
I've been programmed for only seven and above.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
I mean, look. Look at how many women.
That's the funny thing, right?
Women look at this, right? Look at how many women Johnny Depp could have dated.
I mean, virtually half the planet, right?
Think of how many women Johnny Depp could have gone on a date with.
Think of how many women have worshipped the guy, loved the guy, would do anything for the guy.
Think of how many women Johnny Depp could have dated.
And who does he choose?
Didn't she also go out for a year or two with Elon Musk as well, right?
And so an average good woman looks at this thing and it's just like, oh my God.
This guy could have anyone and this is who he chooses.
Jolene, don't take away my man.
Shitty women would go for Johnny.
I don't know. I mean, he had this French girlfriend who said he was real nice and all that, so...
I won't go lower than a 5 or 6, though.
That's my standard. Okay, but you understand, right?
So, some women are just kind of plain in their facial structures.
No matter how much they exercise or whatever, they're just not going to have great figures.
They could be relatively slender.
They're not going to have great figures, right?
So, you're 5 or 6.
It depends. Okay, a woman who's overweight...
Significantly overweight, well, that's almost always bad food choices, bad exercise choices.
So that's unattractive no matter what.
In my book, right? I'm a very active guy, so I just couldn't be with a woman who's overweight.
I just couldn't because we wouldn't be able to do anything together, right?
So you've got to differentiate the women from...
Things they can choose and things they can't choose.
Now, if the woman takes care of herself and exercises and eats well and is not overweight, then she is as much of a 10 as she can be.
Right? You can't blame a woman for not having a perfect bone structure, for not having a naturally curvaceous figure.
I mean, you can if you want, but it's just genetics, right?
It's like blaming a woman for having an eye color that's not quite as attractive to you.
It's like blaming Asian women for not having green eyes, right?
Like the big trouble in Little China style, right?
So you say, well, a 5 or a 6, it's like, but if the woman is doing the best she can with what she's got, then she's a 10.
Right? The body, too.
So, again, some women, you know, just thick-waisted, and they're built like balls of cloth, as I talk about in my novel, almost.
So, you can't blame them if they eat well and exercise, and then that's this body they've got, right?
Not all men have these, you know, Kevin Bacon narrow waists and, like, these viper broad shoulders.
That's just skeletal to some degree, right?
So... We're not all Jamie Dornan, right?
I mean, he works hard at it, but part of the reason he works hard at that is because he's got these great genes, right?
So, you know, just recognize that you're programmed to celibacy, to functional celibacy.
You're programmed to functional celibacy by the endless conveyor belt of one in a million girls the average woman has no hope of competing with.
And just be aware of that.
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