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April 20, 2019 - Freedomain Radio - Stefan Molyneux
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Dead Men Found at Home of Democrat Donor! Mike Cernovich and Stefan Molyneux
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Hi everybody!
Back with a good friend, Mike Cernovich.
We have a lurid, dastardly, devious, and potentially demonic tale to tell you tonight.
And the moral of the story, or the morals I suppose, can scarcely be believed.
Mike, thanks so much for taking the time today.
Yeah, this reminds me of what is becoming a more common assertion or whatever you want to call it, saying.
What we're about to talk about does not sound true.
It just doesn't.
Yeah, and it really, it's so unbelievably lurid.
And what strikes me as, I don't know, arguable police misconduct resulting in the death of another young man is absolutely jaw-dropping.
So I guess we'll stop teasing and start talking.
Let's talk about Ed Buck.
Yeah, Ed Buck is a name that everyone should know about and most people don't know about.
And it's so bizarre and so weird and also so well documented that it's kind of hard to comprehend.
We do know for a fact that a few things about Ed Buck.
He was a wealthy, high-level Democrat donor.
And there's pictures of him with Ted Lieu and Adam Schiff and Hillary Clinton.
This is not a random person.
And two African-American men have died in his house in a way that is, again, utterly bizarre.
So maybe you can take it from here so I don't go X-rated off the bat.
Okay, so it's within the span of 18 months.
And that just strikes me as more than coincidental.
There was one in July of 2017, and then there was one in January of this year, of 2019.
And I'll just read from the article and then we'll go into what it means.
A dead man was found early Monday in the Los Angeles area apartment of the Democratic fundraiser, Ed Buck, authorities said, the second time a body has been discovered in his home in the last year and a half.
The dead man, whose identity wasn't disclosed, was found at 1.05 a.m.
In Buck's apartment in West Hollywood after someone called 911, said Los Angeles County Sheriff's Deputy Charles Moore, who said that while the Homicide Bureau was investigating, the cause of death remained unknown.
Federal election records show that Buck, who's 63, who has advocated for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender issue for decades, has donated more than $53,000 to Democratic candidates and to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee since 2008.
In July 2017, authorities cleared Buck in the death of Jamel Moore, 26, a gay male escort whose body was found in the same apartment after investigators declared his death to have been the result of an accidental overdose of crystal methamphetamine.
Now, what is really quite astonishing is that according to a woman who's looked deeply into this case, I'll put all links to this below, Ed Buck appears to have had some sort of bizarre sexual fetish for picking up young black gay sex workers and then paying them extra to inject themselves with hardcore drugs and this was his kick, his thing.
And it's absolutely astounding that you can skate off this stuff, it would seem to me, for $50,000 and change.
I mean, it always strikes me how little money, I mean, that's a lot of money, don't get me wrong, but relative to what's been going on in this guy's apartment, it seems like kind of chump change.
Yeah, and more so in terms of His kink, there's a whole fetish because, yeah, there was apparently a third potential victim who got away, and there was an article about a third sex worker who got away, and the fetish goes, the fetish appears to be as such, and this is what I pieced together from other journalists and other reports.
He dresses them up in long johns, very tight long johns, and again, this is, I'm sure people listening are gonna say, wait, what are you talking about?
Yeah, this is all Documented source.
There are pictures of it.
And he dresses them up in long johns and he encourages them to inject crystal methamphetamines.
And his kink is watching them inject meth and get either high on meth or potentially die.
One man died due to it.
Another man came over and died.
And Ed Buck claimed that it was an old friend of his who just happened to go over there.
But then a coroner's report revealed that he didn't call 911 for 15 minutes.
After the injection had occurred, and then a third man came forward and said, no, there's actually a bunch of us.
We all kind of know to avoid that guy.
And he has this very elaborate fetish where they come over, they put on skin tight, white long john underwear, and then inject crystal meth.
And you're thinking, you know, this can't possibly be true, right?
This is utterly, absolutely bizarre.
But this has all been documented.
It's very well sourced.
This isn't a couple people on the internet making stuff up.
Well, and there's some documented evidence.
There's this woman named Kinnick, who I talked about before, and this is a quote from an article since Moore's death.
Kinnick has collected a trove of information in an attempt to make the case that Ed Buck is a, quote, predator, end quote, who preys on down and the reluctant black men by inviting them to his apartment and suggesting They try methamphetamine injections or slamming.
And I got to tell you, there's a whole bunch of underlined terms.
I really had terms I had to really look up at this point.
So, Canik conducted interviews with first-hand sources, men who said they went to Buck's apartment for paid sex and drugs, several of whom told her that Buck offered them more money for the chance to administer an injection of crystal methamphetamine, the most dangerous way to take a dangerous drug.
All of her reports are published on her personal website.
She also published journal entries from Jemel Moore in which he writes that Buck gave him his first meth injections and got him addicted.
Kanick published photographs and videos taken by the men who said they were taken inside Buck's apartment that corroborate key details from the initial death report and contemporaneous journals.
A rolling red toolbox filled with sex toys and drug paraphernalia, a sportswear fetish, and an aversion to sexual intercourse.
And that is...
Again, I'm not a cop.
I'm not a DA.
I'm not a prosecutor.
But it seems like some stuff should be looked into here.
Get some people on the beat.
Go interview people.
See if you can find a pattern of behavior.
I just don't, I mean, is it just the Democrat privilege?
I mean, this is truly astonishing stuff.
And of course, the fact that it is a white man preying upon vulnerable, down-on-their-luck, potentially homeless young black men.
Is it just you and I who are bothered by this?
I mean, it's astonishing.
Yeah, the lack of mainstream interest Especially was troublesome after the first death and then after the second death they did the obligatory coverage but it isn't the sort of wall-to-wall stuff and this is only being handled that sort of the the social justice kind of journalistic beat but not the SJWs the actual people who care about these issues and you know another example for we're seeing now the intersectionality implosion where
Black male victims are the left does not care about them.
We saw this.
There's a potentially a major false rape case out of Kansas where a guy got 12 years in prison, a black man for essentially hooking up with a girl at a party and it doesn't sound real.
And the left wing media beat who obsesses over you and everything you tweeted today and everything, you know, anybody tweeted today, they're nowhere on this.
And that's one of the, Not weird, but it's one of those patterns that you notice is, hey, I get it if you want to be a Twitter cop and report every kind of offensive tweet you see, but hey, there's a couple dead bodies.
You can't fly out there, you can't interview some people, you can't talk to people in the community, you can't do a fully developed report on it, you can't do a video report on it.
There's been no real interest among the so-called truth-seeking press about this story, and that's why it, again, has went away after the first one.
Then there was a second body, and then it was covered for a day or two, and now it's forgotten again.
Okay, so let's talk about all of the flags that this should be raising in front of the charging bulls of the leftist outrage mob, right?
I mean, you've got a very rich, this guy was a millionaire by the time he was 32.
This is Ed Buck.
He's, you know, reportedly been preying on these young men.
He may be forcibly or enticing them with money to get them addicted to drugs.
You've got two deaths.
So he's like a rich, white guy preying on young.
They always talk about marginalized and vulnerable populations.
This is the textbook definition of that.
These young black men, some of whom of course I'm sure have STDs and they may, they're homeless and who knows what's going on because we don't have the reports.
But this is every conceivable.
Red flag for the charging social justice warrior bulls.
Rich guy preying upon marginalized community.
They end up dead.
Police in action!
Black Lives Matter!
You couldn't design, if you wanted to, something that you think would be a better bait for this.
And a just and fair bait.
I mean, these guys are dying like flies in this guy's apartment.
There's documented evidence.
There's a conclusive.
I don't know.
I'd like to see some more investigation.
But this is everywhere.
Nobody's picking it up.
And that's because, I think, and I think we all know, not just because this guy gave 50 large and change to Democrats, and Ted Lieu and a couple of others have returned his donations, but because of where it leads.
Where does it lead?
And who knows what?
And who took what money?
And whose photographs?
They just seem to me to want to seal the whole damn thing up.
Yeah, and I think also there's no hook.
One thing I found with the modern media is unless there's an anti-MAGA hook, they just don't really care.
Everything is now culture.
It used to be, like, you think about this and I think about it in terms of, this is a big story.
What the heck is going on here?
But unless there's an anti-Trump hook, Then the media just doesn't care.
Well, if we solve this case, could it be used to harm Trump?
No, and actually somebody might politicize it in a way that might be bad for, you know, Adam Schiff or Ted Lieu or someone else.
So therefore, we'll just pretend that it doesn't exist.
And stories like these really do show the utter callousness of the media when it comes to real death, real harm, real tragedies, and real stories.
So I'm glad you brought up this case that I did read up about after you tweeted about it.
This young black man sent Up the river for 12 years for something that looks like, if it was even achieved at all, took only five minutes.
And I wonder if you can just give people a little bit of information about this, because this seems to me like something that could use a second look as well.
Yeah, there was a young man, a college student, who went to a bar.
When I was in college, you call them hookup bars.
I guess you're not allowed to say that anymore because that's rape culture or whatever, but there are certain bars that are hookup bars.
People go there to look to, you know, do things that college people do, and that was normal human behavior for the past, I don't know, a couple decades.
He meets her.
She's seen on video leading him to the Boom Boom Room, which is the make-out room.
And if you actually do research into that place, people have openly fornicated in it.
It's a very, you know, it's the kind of place you go to meet people and whatever, have a little carnal fun.
Then there's surveillance tape showing them leaving together.
She's not stumbling, falling down or anything, They go to his house.
They seem to have been there for about five or ten minutes, but people are trying to put that together, piece that together.
They leave, and next thing you know, he's accused of rape, and he drops out of college.
He goes to trial.
He's convicted of rape.
No DNA evidence indicating that fornication even happened.
Nothing to indicate it, and 12 years in prison.
And that's it.
This is a very shoddy case.
And the reason it came to me, which is unusual, I had multiple people come to me and they were lefties and they go, we've been sending this to Sean King.
We've been sending this to all the like Black Lives Matter people and nobody will touch it.
You know what is going on?
And I go, well, I hate to break it to you, but to the modern left, black men are just men now and they just don't care.
And that just the way it is now.
And that's the same thing, too, with the Ed Buck thing.
The victims are black men, and they're viewed by the left as, well, you know, that's men, whatever happens to men, they just don't really care about.
But when you think about it, I mean, I sort of contrast this in my mind to the Covington kids' debacle, right?
And that's, of course, because we all know that the real red flag is the MAGA hat, right?
So you've got a bunch of Covington kids sitting there waiting for a bus to pick them up, and then Well, everybody knows that I've done whole videos on this.
You've done shows on this.
We all know how that played out.
If you look at the outrage over a kid who's clearly uncomfortable and trying to make the best of a bad situation as this fellow is banging the drum in his face, Nathan Phillips, and you look at that level of outrage and wall-to-wall coverage and attack and brutality on children, children not even legally allowed to drive, and you compare that
To two drug-addled dead bodies in a rich white guy's apartment, it really does feel like... To say clown world has become a bit of a cliche, but if that clown is it from Stephen King's novel, I'm there.
That's sort of where we are.
Yeah, I was thinking a lot about this story today, because I knew we were going to do this podcast tonight, and you try to find a non-evil explanation for this kind of stuff, And I have a number of hypotheses that may or may not be true, but one is that the people have just sort of lost their sense of proportion.
So to them, Roseanne made a bad joke.
That's outrageous.
Two black men died at Ed Buck's house.
That's outrageous.
Wouldn't be outraged about tomorrow.
And there's no sense of, well, no, no, no, no, no, actually a bad tweet and two dead people are not even in the same stadium, right?
No, no, they're not the same.
A bad joke, an offensive remark.
This isn't even remotely in the ballpark of what's happening in Ed Buck.
But journalists, their brains, they just live online and everything to them is just like a dopamine hit.
Roseanne, bad.
We're mad.
Covington, oh, I'm mad at them.
Two dead people or two dead black men.
Oh, I'm mad at Ed Buck for like a half an hour.
But now, tomorrow, Trump wants to bus in people, so I'm mad at that now.
And they don't lack moral gradation.
They don't lack the ability to sense, like, well this is, proportionally, this is as bad as it gets.
Because if they did have a sense of proportion, they would have thought twice before going after the Covington kids who are 15 years old, right?
So if you're even going to be mad, you're like, well, I'm really mad at them, but they're 15.
But you had people like Reza Aslan saying, well, we need to beat these kids up.
But then now they're saying quoting a congresswoman is inciting violence.
And you're just like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Like, hold on.
15 year old kid, member of Congress, supported by the media.
They're not even in the same range, right?
And I think that's a problem with a lot of the journalist brains.
They don't have moral.
They don't have morality.
So if you have morality, the sign of a moral thinker and a moral reasoner is that you can say, well, sure, there's a lot of things that are bad happening, but not everything is bad.
There's, this is heinous, and this is kind of bad, and you should maybe do something about it.
And the left, they don't have any morality, and because of that, they can't filter and properly categorize and assign the level of seriousness that should be assigned to something like Ed Buck.
Well, but they do assign seriousness, as you know, right?
They assigned enormous seriousness to the Jussie Smollett case.
They assigned enormous seriousness to the Covington situation and so on.
So they certainly can.
It's not like there's some theories of lack of concentration or maybe certain kinds of autism where you can't filter out.
Everything comes at you at the same level and you can't filter out and you can't concentrate.
But they don't have that.
Because they really do have the capacity to dive in and dedicate themselves.
You know, you've got the reporters gunning after you.
I've got the reporters gunning after me.
And they've got this monomania.
Oh, you tweeted something!
Oh my God, let's go fight!
Like, they can stick it through.
They can drive things through.
So I don't know that it's just like, squirrel!
You know, like some new distraction.
I think it's, well, it's political.
It's something that you said months ago that kind of haunted me and still does from time to time.
Like, we live in an ancient universe.
It's all will to power.
It's got nothing to do with ethics.
Yeah, there is nothing to do with ethics, and there's also... Again, I do think it's something with their brain, though, where because they don't actually go out into the real world and do real journalism, they don't have any appreciation for what they're seeing.
Everything's like a video game to them.
You gotta remember, most of these so-called reporters are, you know, 25 years old, and they're just like video game players, where they're just mad about something on the internet, Because to them the internet is as real as people dying and they don't understand.
I mean I'll give you another example to kind of illustrate this thinking.
There was a video game streamer and they were live streaming in real life and then one of them convinced another one of them to pull a gun on somebody because there was a fight and an altercation and everything and they were in Florida.
And in their own mind they didn't realize you're pulling a gun on someone.
This is a very serious thing that you're doing, but a lot of the people who live on the internet don't have any sense of, no, this is actually a very serious thing that you're about to do.
There are very serious consequences to this.
And you can't just say, well, there was going to be a fight and one of them might've got punched or something, but it certainly didn't justify pulling the gun.
And I've noticed that with a lot of people who live online, regardless of their politics, they don't appreciate the seriousness of their own actions.
And they don't appreciate the seriousness of what is happening in the world.
So, you know, for example, Ed Bach, if, you know, two people dying in his house, this is a very serious thing to people who don't live on the internet.
You're like, wow, two dead bodies.
They get dressed up in long johns and injecting meth.
And one guy got away.
Sounds like a serial killer.
This is like a terrifying thing.
But to people on the internet, that's just the latest thing they're looking at.
They're mad at.
And now they're going to go look at your tweets and try to find something Maybe you're being too charitable.
I think also one of the things that I've kind of noticed.
this is, these are just as bad.
Or even in many cases, they act like whatever you said today is worse.
It's like, no, no, no, there are a couple dead people here.
Why don't you go take a look at that people?
And their minds, I don't think that they just appreciate it.
But maybe I'm being too charitable. - Yeah, maybe you're being too charitable.
I think also one of the things that I've kind of noticed is that it's almost like a mark of, that you're a good, decent person if you're attacked, right?
Because look, if Ed Buck is as dangerous as some people say he is, certainly as the guy who got away and the word on the street in the neighborhood say he is, then, you know...
Maybe there's some risk involved in that, you know, like getting mad at your tweet or my tweet, you know, well, not dead people showing up in our place on a regular basis.
So it's almost like, well, I can vent my frustration and my anger and my thwarted whatever on these guys because they're reasonable people and they might make sort of a video mocking me, but you know, there's not bodies raiding down from the sky in their vicinity.
So I do think that there's a fair amount of just, yeah, The most reasonable get the most attacked, because the least reasonable have the least to fear from them.
Yeah, what you touch on is actually something that I can't remember I heard at first, but right when you hear it, it makes total sense, which is, if you were really afraid of Christians, you would never do the Book of Mormon.
Because you would not be allowed to do the Book of Muhammad in New York.
We know what happens if you do a satire of Islam.
Pamela Geller experienced that firsthand.
So we're always told, Oh my God, these Christians, we're so afraid of them, but we're going to go make fun of them and ridicule them.
Or they're like, Oh my God, Molyneux is so dangerous and scary, but nobody who comes to an event is like threatened.
The threats are all Antifa outside.
One of the greatest juxtapositions of all time actually was with, you know, we did a big event in New York.
And one of these left-wing rags said, angry white men party inside, you know, in New York or whatever.
And I was like, well, it wasn't a bunch of angry white men, but be that as it may, there was actual deadly attack outside by a white man.
Yeah.
So there were angry white men and they were out there with Antifa.
But, but in their mind, you know, oh, they're, they're so dangerous inside that I can go mingle among them and Chelsea Manning can mingle among them and nothing, she doesn't even get misgendered or whatever.
Like nobody was even mean to her.
And that's also, they feel like they're doing something risky and dangerous, but they are absolutely gutless cowards.
They never take on anybody who, like Ed Buck, who actually has connections or who indeed may in fact be quite dangerous.
Well, and that view from inside and outside the Night for Freedom in New York was really astounding.
Inside was a serious blast.
Great music from Milken Cooks.
There was Owen Benjamin cracking everyone up with his comedy.
I gave a speech where I ripped my jacket off, threw it into the crowd and bellowed for peace, love and reason.
And then I spent four or five hours hugging people and listening to their stories about how philosophy had changed their lives for the better.
That was the inside.
Of the environment, and outside people are screaming, you want a red pill?
How about a lead pill?
So inside, there's love, there's joy, there's positivity, there's hugs, there's friendliness, there's curiosity.
Outside, there's death threats and a vicious assault upon a man.
Right, and that's what, that's the juxtaposition to these reporters, or so-called, because they're not really reporters, they're just little bloggers with an agenda They don't go after people who are actually dangerous.
They don't, they're not going to go report negatively on Antifa.
They're not going to report on Ed Buck.
They're going to, you know, they want to sit on their computers and report on whatever, you know, mean tweets happen to be.
And, you know, again, and maybe I'm just too charitable by not, it could just be that they're evil agents, right?
The least, the least charitable thing is they do on us all.
In gulags, and they are just really bad people, nasty people, and they just don't care about Ed Buck.
They don't care about two black people being killed because maybe they want to kill other people.
Who knows?
At this point, because the way, here's the way I kind of look at things more and more is like, okay, you're on the internet all day tweeting about how you're mad at whatever conservative you're mad at that day, but you're not talking about Ed Buck.
But you know it's happening because you read us, right?
So it's like if you follow you or me obsessively, you've seen Ed Buck.
If you're whining about whatever we said today, then that's proof that you know all about Ed Buck, but you're not saying anything about Ed Buck.
At some point, that does become a tacit endorsement, in my view, because you can't talk about that.
Just like the same thing with Julian Assange.
All these people, oh, poor Ben Shapiro, He's such a bully even though he's got billionaires backing him, literal billionaires backing him.
A college kid was mean to him.
What about Assange?
They're putting him in jail, right?
He's slowly gone, I mean I would assume he's slowly gone insane.
What is it?
Seven years?
Eight years?
Something like that.
He was locked in this room in the Ecuadorian embassy and I think he was allowed out sometimes but you know the reports are that you know I don't know if they're true or not because you know Ecuador just got what four point something billion dollars from the IMF a month ago I guess it's 30 pieces of silver but they're reporting that these like smearing human feces on the wall I mean he hasn't had any internet for Lord knows how long he's got one treadmill one cat a bed and it's absolutely inhumane solitary confinement
And listen, the thing is, too, I mean, how about dental care?
How about health care?
You know, like, when was the last time he got his teeth cleaned or scraped?
You know, has he got blinding toothaches and agony and isolation?
I mean, this is absolutely brutal and inhumane.
And, you know, part of me is just wondering if the guy's like, yeah, okay, I'll take this next step because I could see the giant pit of insanity that staying in that room would have cost me.
Right.
And the meta commentary or the meta observation of that is all these people who live on the internet and cry about how mean it is on college campuses.
It's like, okay, so you support free speech.
Nothing on Assange though?
That to me, because you always, you don't want to say that a person being silent On an issue as a tacit endorsement because people are busy.
You can't talk about everything.
Maybe you don't even know something's happening, right?
I've even had people say, well, how come you never even tweeted about this?
I'm like, I didn't know about it.
Like for example, there was some black churches burned down Louisiana.
I didn't know about it.
And they're like, I think they got me like checkmate.
And I'm like, no, now that I know about it, I'm happy to tweet about it.
Right.
So you can't just say you haven't talked about that.
Therefore you endorse it.
But if you're following us obsessively, And you're not talking about Ed Buck, then I can only conclude that you support tacitly what he did.
Because you know about it and you're not saying anything about it and you're talking about things all day.
That's the inference.
Well, another way of looking at it is not even the tacit endorsement, although that may be the end goal, but just it's that instinct that, you know, like the butterflies know how to get down to Mexico and the geese know where they're going to fly south and all that.
It's the instinct of, does this serve my team's goal for power?
Right?
I mean, so, I mean, the Covington kids, sure.
You know, you've got your native guy, you've got your black preachers, the street preachers, and then you've got these, you know, peach fuzz kids with the MAGA hats, so you can really grind them, you can really pounce on them, and you can scare the living hell out of young people for wary muggahuts.
And that's going to push back against Trump's very high approval ratings, and it's going to help your team hopefully get back into power through the White House and maintain their hold on Congress, you know, get the Senate if they can.
Like, that serves power.
Ed Buck, whatever he's doing to these young men that has them turning up the daisies, talking about that does not help your path to power.
Yeah, and that's again where we are.
We've talked about before.
We are just a Nietzschean beyond good and evil where they don't have any morality.
It is really all about power to them.
And that's what makes them the real threat to Western civilization is that they don't have morality.
They don't have a sense of right and wrong.
They only have a sense of they need to reclaim power.
So that they can do what?
I don't know.
I don't think it's very good what they want to do based on what they don't talk about and what they don't comment about.
Like they don't comment about Antifa violence.
They don't have a problem with violence.
They don't have a problem.
Three turning point USA people on college campuses, one got firebombed, you know, they, and then of course it's never firebombed.
It's always, Oh, there was a fire.
It was accidental.
You know, somebody cooked a couple, you know, eggs in the microwave too long or something like that.
There was a major instance where Michael Knowles, Went to give a talk in Missouri and somebody sprayed what he thought was bleach on him.
And the chancellor sent out an email saying that he was a bad person and, you know, there was just a protest, calm down.
So the left really is pushing more and more for violence.
CBS tweeted out that, you know, cleared legal where they said it's time to just start beating people up with baseball bats and other things.
One of the shows tweeted out, it's like, wait, wait a minute, this is CBS, that cleared legal.
That's what also, too, what I think about the left people, the people in their brains' inability to have nuance and proportion is, is one thing, one of us tweets something.
That's just us tweeting, maybe we had a bad day, you know, maybe two or three glasses of wine or something.
CBS tweets out a video advocating political violence.
From an official account, professionally shot, cleared, produced, acted, reviewed, signed off on knowing that there was going to be some controversy, lawyer review, and they're just like, oh, is this going to get us suspended from Twitter?
No, they're perfectly safe.
Right.
And that's where the left is right now.
At every level of the left, they endorse taking baseball bats or worse to people Who they view as being Nazis, which as we now know includes anybody who voted for Trump or is even moderately conservative is now classified with that label.
Well, it's anyone who's critical of the left.
I mean, I'm not a conservative.
I'm a voluntarist.
But if you're critical of the left, then you're immediately in the Nazi camp.
And therefore, you know, and yes, people are asking, Oh, should Nazis just be allowed to wander around?
It's like, I don't know, we've got thousands of outright communists indoctrinating the young in universities.
Communism killed more people than Nazism.
So if you've got no problem with communists in universities, what on earth problem would you have with people who like Nazism in the streets?
I don't like Nazism.
I don't like communism.
I don't think that the communists should be thrown in jail, and I don't think that Nazis should be hit with baseball bats.
Well, and not only that, but there have always been two or four hundred Nazis in America.
You know, Skokie, this has all been happening.
It was the media that decided to give all these people these glowing profiles and promote their events and everything like that.
All of the domestic terrorism and stuff, the left has asked the attention they've given it.
They've showed people, hey, if you're a little, you know, you're a little crazy in the head or whatever, we'll give you all this unlimited publicity and we'll give you infamy.
If you just go do these things, if they just ignore these people, nobody would even know they existed.
And most of the stuff that had happened never would have happened because nobody would know.
Nobody would have cared.
It was two or four hundred ideas.
And the left, they're trying to create an enemy so that they can seize more and more power.
Well, it's funny because until the last couple of years, I mean, other than one reference in the Blues Brothers movie about the Nazis, the Illinois Nazis, I really didn't know that there were Nazis.
In fact, they were so rare that you could make them the butt of a joke in a Blues Brothers movie.
I was taught by outright socialists, outright communists.
When I was in college, they were right in your face, like, this is what I believe, this is, you know, I want communism, I'm a communist, and so on.
But I never really heard of any Nazis, never met any Nazis.
I saw people walking around with Karl Marx pins and Che Guevara t-shirts and so on, and Karl Marx was a monster and Che Guevara murdered children.
Never saw anyone with any kind of Hitler, but never heard anything about Nazis, well basically since the end of the Second World War as any vital or even remotely Not only that, but I remember that they would always claim that I'm far right or this and that.
And then the only time I knew what the events were, was on lefty Twitter.
These people were so marginal that it would even percolate to my corner of the internet that so-and-so is having some kind of rally or whatever.
But then the lefty people like, oh, there's this rally, there's this event or whatever.
They were the ultimate marketing agents.
They've created way more harm by far while ignoring legitimate harm by, you know, again, the Ed Buck thing.
So it's kind of interesting.
We start talking about Ed Buck, but you, you know, we, we meander into media because it really, this is the perfect case to just show that the media, they really don't care.
And they don't care about real issues.
They don't even care about people being died.
They don't even care about the people that they claim to care about.
Otherwise, this Ed Buck thing, they would have hounded Adam Schiff.
Why were you at an event with Ed Buck?
How long have you known him?
Do you disavow?
It would be unrelenting.
And where are they?
Where are they?
They're pretending like it never even happened.
Well, now here's the thing that I've just sort of popped in my mind a couple minutes ago.
I'll let you know.
Let me know what you think of it.
So, as you know, I grew up with a mother who was very violent.
And I remember at the time being kind of baffled.
Because we grew up poor, I was in these apartment buildings.
And the apartment buildings had sort of thin walls and so on.
So like everyone could hear the violence, right?
And I do remember like, okay, nobody calls 911, nobody knocks on the door, nobody says what the hell's going on, who's being tortured or whatever, right?
And what I realized when I got older is that my mom understood the world a hell of a lot better than I did.
Because I was waiting for the cavalry, you know, someone was... and she was like, hey, I can do whatever I want.
I can do whatever I want because no one's gonna lift a goddamn finger.
Now, I keep thinking, OK, well, this is too far.
You know, like in a CBS video there's a guy walking around saying, we've got to beat people, we've got to punch people.
It's like, that's political violence, that's straight up terrorism advocation as far as I can see.
And I'm like, oh man, this is, you know, something's going to be, and it's like, I wonder if, you know, it's a chilling thought, I shouldn't really laugh, but I just wonder if, like, they understand the world.
Hell of a lot better than you and I or me.
I would say someone speak for you, but they understand the world better than I do because I keep waiting for this recoiling where people say, oh my God, like this, this a bridge too far.
And they march in with full confidence and you know, there's some pushback, some pushback, but they keep gaining ground.
Yeah, no, I think they want us in gulags.
We talked about this when I was doing hoax interviewing you and my view is more solidified every day is show me some evidence that the left doesn't want Antifa to murder us.
Show me some evidence that the left-wing media doesn't want Trump supporters to be murdered by Antifa and attacked and beat up and harmed.
Show me some some contrary evidence and there isn't.
They defend Antifa.
They give them puff pieces.
They're not going after the CBS thing.
I googled the CBS thing.
Nothing.
There was an actor who called Candace Owens the N-word.
So I googled that guy's name.
He was on Twitter and he called her, you know, the N-word with the hard R. Nothing.
No media coverage.
It's like it didn't even happen.
No consequences at all.
Not even the media is like, oh, well, just pretend this didn't really happen.
So yeah, turning point.
USA events, all this violence, nothing.
There was an editorial in the Kansas City Star that said, with the Michael Knowles thing, it was, oh, a D-list celebrity got, you know, sprayed.
Who cares?
They were laughing at him and mocking him.
So, yeah, the left, they do understand the world, and I understand the world, and that's why I take this kind of stuff quite seriously.
And, you know, I've had people arrested, and, you know, I've probably had seven or eight people arrested.
I don't even play around.
You send some kind of thing my way, and I'm not going to think it's a joke.
So any kind of violence, any kind of threats, any kind of thing that violates California law, I'm right at the police now because I do know the true evil of the left and I do know what they would do if they were able to get away with it.
Yeah, I mean, comparing something like this CBS vignette with Roseanne Barr's tweet and the level of outrage directed at Roseanne Barr's tweet that I think I had to read three or four times to even—like, I have a tough time even—like, there's some things you look at and you say, OK, that's offensive.
Like, I'm not going to get hysterical about it, but I get that that's offensive.
I remember reading Roseanne Barr's thing, it's like, okay, so they go from here, to here, to here, and then here, and that's when they get offended.
But it's kind of like mapping something in the dark, you know, like if you navigate a room with complicated furniture and pitch blackness, you can get there, but it's not particularly easy.
And compare that to, I mean, dead young black men in this guy's apartment.
I mean, he might as well set up a full-time graveyard in his living room.
Yeah, I'm always able to see the other person's side.
Okay, the Roseanne thing.
I think it's a disproportionate reply.
I don't think she intended it that way.
She said it.
To me, it's more that the bigger issue we have is like proportionality, where nobody's like, well, that was a dumb thing you said.
Why did you say that?
That kind of was a dumb thing.
I took too many Ambien.
I was an idiot.
I won't do it again.
Okay, don't do it again.
You know, we're going to be watching you kind of thing.
That's a proportional response to something like that.
Whereas two people dying in a park, you're like, holy effing S-H-I-T, this is a serious thing.
This is, like, a potential serial killer.
We need to all go figure this thing out.
That's the proportional response to something like that.
But instead we get, we have to destroy Rosanna Runner out of town, and Ed Buck, eh, who cares?
What's the big deal?
He's just doing his thing.
Everybody's got their kink.
Sorry, it's not funny, but it's like everyone's got their kink.
Okay, that's fine.
But this is not the beat me, eat me licorice whip.
This is potentially ejecting young men and watching them die in your living room.
That's a little bit more than a kink, as you know.
And so, if it is, of course, that there's just this rapid-fire, base-of-the-brain, reptilian calculation of, does this serve my lust for power?
Well, you know, I'm sort of, I'm always trying to sort of stand back from the brink because I really do want to have the willpower to continue to reason with the world and to attempt to avert this what seems to be an accelerating disaster, which you tweeted about a day or two ago, like, you know, the fall of the West.
Like, if we don't make it, if we don't make it, if we can't find some way back to negotiating and reasoning with each other, and if this escalation continues, it's sort of like those kids who swat, you know?
Like, this one kid just went to jail for a while, a long while now, because, you know, this, oh, it's so funny, it's like, dude, this is, like, you're not sending a prank, this is not a prank.
This is like guys with weaponry descending on a house in the dark.
This consequence-free reality is really terrifying, because those of us who can see the consequences of the continued escalation are looking at a level of human suffering that has never before been seen in humanity.
Yeah, there's a glibness, and the glibness, we could probably do a whole episode on that, and that's why I mentioned that streamer earlier, you know, somebody pulling a gun on someone.
While they're streaming and they're like, stand your ground.
These people are going to try to start a fight with us.
We can stand our ground in Florida.
It's like, no, you can't, you can't pull a gun on people.
That's a, a thing that isn't, uh, you know, dropping a bomb or, you know, being a little edgy or something.
And you also saw that with like Ilhan Omar's thing.
Oh, you know, some people did something.
It's just a glibness.
I don't think she's actually pro jihad or pro terror.
I just think in her mind, she doesn't appreciate, she doesn't have any seriousness in her life.
No gravitas.
She never run a business.
She never, you know, had to, am I going to make payroll this month?
You know, did I make a huge mistake?
She's never actually been a productive member of society.
And because of that to her, just like, Oh, this thing kind of like happened.
And this is the same thing with these people who swat others.
Like, Oh yeah, we're just on the internet.
No, this is a, this is a real thing, real consequences, real impact in the world.
And there's.
Like almost an entire generation that doesn't fully appreciate that.
And that includes most of the left-wing Antifa bloggers.
They don't get it.
They don't get it.
Like me, I've been in violent situations.
It's not nice.
If somebody tried to start a fight with me, I'd be like, hey man, we cool.
You know, I would talk it down so fast because I know what can happen when things get violent.
And they don't have any Any understanding of what we're trying to preserve here.
We're the ones trying to keep the peace.
We're the ones trying to avoid that to happen because we know once, once that Rubicon is crossed, nobody wins because you don't, you know, even if you're on the winning side, you're going to have losses and lose friends and everything else.
So even if you win, you don't win.
Well, this is the thing I've thought about a lot.
So I'm glad we're tripping over this, Mike, because I think about like, to me, it's kind of like LARPing, you know, like, I do think that a lot of the people on the left genuinely do believe that they're Approach their goal or whatever will help the poor and of course I want to help the poor.
You want to help the poor.
I want a system where people get health care as reasonably or cheaply or free through charity as possible.
We want a sustainable society.
We want to protect the environment.
We have disagreements about how to get there.
But the problem is when you believe that someone else is just stone evil which is, you know, I go back and forth with the hard left and so right now I'm in a more charitable because I've been thinking a lot about Christianity.
I think some of them, like, they've swallowed the propaganda, you know, they believe that, I don't know, people like you and I just, I don't know, we want to watch the world burn or something like that.
But no, we want a good world.
We want a good world for our children.
We want reasonable differences to be resolved with discourse.
I'm a philosopher, so I want the Socratic method.
I want reason and evidence to hold sway.
But this idea that you can just stop playing around with violence, you know, like, ah, you know, let's just phone in a threat.
Let's just, you know, let's just stand there and chant something provocative.
You know, like, it's sort of like dabbling in Satanism if you believe in Satan kind of thing.
It's like, yeah, okay, maybe you'll summon something and maybe you won't like it so much.
Because the history is always very clear that the first round of leftists are generally the abstract theoreticians, right?
The next round of leftists are the people who start pushing the envelope of violence and then they open up this portal and through this portal pour the true psychopaths.
Like the people who will just as soon kill you as look at you and the sadists and the Julius Streichers from the Third Reich and the sexual sadists and the people who will torture you and like the true Absolute anti-life, base of the brain, predatory nihilism of the human condition.
And the first people that they go for are the people who open the portal.
They'll play with all this stuff.
They'll summon forth People far worse than they are who will say, well thanks for the invite, but you know what happens in video games and movies, the guy who summons the demon is the first guy to get his head bitten off.
And so they will not have what they want.
They won't have power, they'll have a grave.
They won't have Twitter to follow because there won't be any electricity and there won't be computers and there won't be video games and there may not be food and there won't be water and, you know, it's back to that horrible vision in Fight Club, you know, where, you know, the city is empty and you're hunting deer in the Grand Canyon by the Empire State Building and
It is a horrible existence because literally billions of humans' lives are supported by this incredible infrastructure that we've built, which is dependent upon us being reasonable with each other.
Because nothing that we have built as a civilization can survive any general commitment to violence.
Like it will vanish like that.
Like that!
And I'm just, they don't know what they're playing with, they don't know what they're unraveling, they don't know the wax that they're taking at the base of the structure.
And I know, you know, we've seen it in history, we've seen it across the world.
We're going to talk about billions of lives that are going to die.
if we can't sustain any kind of rationality and discourse in our civilization.
We can see it and it's almost like it's like some monkey with a machine gun, you know, that doesn't know what he's doing, doesn't know what he's summoning and the effects of what feels kind of cool and edgy and where it leads.
Yeah, and they haven't thought through too that America's the first time that You've had the left try to enslave a populace that's armed.
So I've always thought of the world we're living in as a simulation, and the simulation we're running is, what happens when the totalitarians go after people who are actually armed?
Because that's never happened.
The totalitarians, you know, Hitler and Stalin and all the intellectual predecessors to the left, or so-called intellectual predecessors to the left, Pol Pot, They all went after an unarmed population.
So these people on the left are saying, we're going to put your children into gulags.
Oh, and by the way, you're the vets.
You're, you're the people who have served in the infantry.
You're the people who know how to use weapons.
You're the, but we're going to somehow enslave you and your family.
They haven't even thought through a past one move.
And for me, the way I look at it is even though I know my side would win, I like gourmet coffee.
I like bookstores.
I like we're talking on Skype.
You lose all of this.
Even if your side is the winning team, then you have to rebuild.
And you're thinking, oh my, rebuild?
Right?
We should be in Mars by now.
Where are the flying cars or whatever?
And we're going to have to rebuild because these idiots on the left want to create some kind of civil war?
That isn't an appealing thing to me.
There was even a fellow on Joe Rogan, an ex-Navy SEAL, and you could tell that he wasn't A right-wing guy, necessarily, but he was saying that they're getting tired of patriots in America are just getting tired of what the left is doing and how the left is trying to incite a civil war.
And so the people who are actually tough are the ones who don't want to fight.
And it's the people who would lose badly who want to fight because the people who are actually tough know that we should be 10 years from now, I want a more advanced civilization.
I don't want us rebuilding the rubble.
Well, and the people who don't want to fight are very nice until they're not.
And the people who don't want to fight, if you actually push them to a fight, they will be merciless because they have tried everything they can do to avoid a fight.
And that, to me, is a good conscience situation.
It's like what you were saying about talking down people.
I've talked down people from violent situations before.
And the reason you do that is partly for your own conscience, so that if for some reason it's impossible to do so, then you can let rip and know that you did everything humanly possible to avoid it.
But if you're cornered in that way, and all of your reasonable entreaties to peace and negotiation have been bypassed, scorned, attacked, escalated, then when you finally do resign yourself to what you have to do, boy, you know, I just... that is not a video game.
It's not, and it's not a world that, like, that's the thing, I hate that.
It's not that any of us want.
We love civilization.
We're the ones saying, no, no, we want to be more advanced.
Why is it that when people come to America, no one says, Or like when people visit America, no one says, America, that's the future.
People say that.
They go to, yeah, they go to Singapore.
Oh, wow.
Look what they're doing in Singapore.
Oh, Japan.
Every friend of mine who goes to Japan says the same thing.
I thought I was like living in a video game.
I thought I was living in the future.
I can't believe how advanced it is.
Nobody's saying about that America.
And that's why I want people who come visit America to say, wow, this country is really doing amazing things.
And instead, rather than us being more technologically advanced, More medically advanced than 10 years in the West, it is.
We're declining and any kind of sudden jolt that the left is trying to initiate is going to make us decline even more.
Do you think it's just as simple as a death wish insofar as if you are regularly striking at the base of the civilizational infrastructure that keeps you alive?
Is it like the guy who's just sawn away on the branch, you know, where he's sawn away on the tree side of where he's sitting?
Is it just a kind of suicide?
I mean, it's hard to sort of picture because life is so great and glorious and fun and wonderful and exciting.
I just wonder if it's like their life is just unbearable and, I don't know, like to create the conditions of the self-destruction of everything you hold dear, if you hold anything dear, it's just, it is kind of incomprehensible to me.
Well, I think they really are, you know, satanic or demonic or something.
I've read articles about me and I thought, 5,000 words about me and it's just vitriol.
And I'm thinking, I can't imagine being that mad about anyone.
And what, you know, I always think, what kind of life are you living that you're sitting around being angry about me all of the time?
That's your life.
And you notice they don't have families.
They don't have, you know, the only thing to live for really.
They're just angry people hanging around with other angry people.
And there is a component of their nihilism.
I've said before, the left is a death cult.
And again, I've seen nothing from them to indicate that they're not a death cult.
I've been saying this for years.
And they're behaving more and more and more like a death cult.
And the death cult, they're just nihilistic.
And to them, good and evil doesn't matter.
To them, life or death doesn't matter.
And to people like us, beacons of light.
We want life.
We want life for them.
I feel bad for them.
Shauna's maybe not quite as nice as I am.
I'm like, man, I feel bad for these people.
What kind of life are you living where you're just mad at me all day thinking about how angry you are?
And she goes, but they're bad people.
I go, I know, but that's not how I view it.
I view it as, come out to the light.
Live a good life.
You can judge me, you can write about me now and then, but your sheer level of hatred and demonicness is what is disturbing.
Hatred of the good for being the good is the way that Ayn Rand would talk about it.
I see the adorable and wonderful little videos that you post of your daughter and so on, and it's like, well, who wouldn't want that?
I guess it's the people who feel they can't have it so it has to be destroyed, or they don't deserve it and therefore nobody else can have it.
It's really tragic.
Well, listen, let's close off.
I really appreciate it.
It's a great discussion.
Let's close off with the two film projects passed and, I guess, just going on at the moment.
So, just tell people a little bit about Hoaxed and how to get it and what's going on with the new movie.
Yeah, Hoaxed has now been seen in 106 countries, which is hard to believe.
I thought it would do well.
It's exceeded expectations, thanks to you and others.
And you can go to hoaxedmovie.com and get it there.
And then as a follow-up, while we were waiting, because Hoax got jammed up with an insurance policy and a whole bunch of just really boring stuff, we went into production on a documentary about foreign influence and, you know, all these think tanks and who's funding it.
And I think people will find it quite interesting that a lot of what you see on the news or that you hear from think tanks is being funded by foreign nations and who's doing it and how much money is really going around.
And that's called Blood Money, and people can watch that on YouTube for free.
Fantastic.
Well, is that out at the moment?
Because I know you just had the launch, right?
Yeah, yeah.
That's now available publicly on YouTube now.
Okay, so Hoaxed Movie, everything the media tells you is open to question, is a nice way to put it.
It's a fantastic documentary with some real luminaries and free thinkers.
It's not a left-right film.
It's not a conservative-liberal film.
It's a truth versus illusion film, which is one of the reasons I love it so much.
And so, yeah, hoaxedmovie.com, check that out.
It's a couple of bucks to rent and sit down with people.
You'll have great conversations about it afterwards.
I guarantee that.
We'll put the link to the new movie below.
Michael, it was a pleasure.
Don't forget to check out Guerrilla Mindset.
Srinivish.com.
I'm Stefan Molyneux from Free Domain.
Thanks so much for your time.
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