I'm so excited about this next guest because, you know, I don't know if you all know this, but last week, she and others gathered at the Pentagon.
It was the first ever Christmas worship service.
And joining them, among others, was Franklin Graham.
And I think that's interesting because one of the things I was thinking about before preparing for the show and talking to our guest was that Billy Graham met after World War II with, I believe, every single president after that time.
And he did get a chance, if I remember correctly, to meet with President Trump before Billy passed away.
I think it was in 2013.
But here's the thing.
All of those presidents, they may not have shared the same theology, but there were those who understood something larger than politics was at work, especially if you're holding that office.
And because something larger than politics is at work, for the first time ever, America has a White House faith office.
And the director of that faith office is here with us today, Jenny Korn.
Thank you so much for joining us.
Thank you, Rose.
It's so wonderful to be on with you.
And Merry Christmas to everyone listening.
Thank you.
Same to you.
And, you know, I am so excited to talk to you because I did a lot of research on you.
Linda adores you.
So, I mean, that's all I needed to hear anyway.
She's amazing.
I love her.
She is.
I do too.
Everyone does.
So, well, maybe not everyone, but they don't have good taste, I think.
I don't like the way this interview is going.
Let's go back to the first part.
For listeners who might not be familiar with your role, Jenny, what is the mission of the White House Faith Office?
Just quickly, if you could.
Thank you, Rose, and thank you, Linda, for having me on and for Hannity for having this amazing show.
And for all of you listening, I'm so excited in this new role.
You know, I've been in government and campaigns and politics and policy for about 25 years, and I would never thought that my career would veer into this coalition, but it has been so amazing.
For the first time ever, if people don't know, the White House has a White House faith office, newly created and historic.
Now, some of you might say, well, you know, the president's had like initiatives and offices in other buildings.
Yes.
But this is the first time, and that's a credit to President Trump, that there is a White House Faith Office in the West Wing as a direct report to President Trump and works directly with Domestic Policy Council on policy.
Because people say, you know, what does the faith office do all day?
Do you pray all day?
Which is kind of, you know, of course, we do pray a lot.
You'll be all happy to know that the floor and the walls have been anointed with oil, and we've had prayer from so many different people in our office.
But truly, what we're there to do is to give a voice to people of faith in their federal government.
Because far too long, the federal government and really even state and local have been discriminating against people of faith instead of championing people of faith.
So that's who we are, and that's the whole reason we exist.
I love that.
I love that you said you anointed with oil.
I do that every time I move into a new home or if someone I care about moves into a new place or office.
I think it's significant.
And I love that you're there.
It must be really amazing for you to suddenly find yourself at the White House.
I mean, you probably never imagined you would be there, did you?
Well, I will tell you.
So the answer to that is yes, but I have been so blessed.
This is my third time back at the White House.
I was there in 2004 and then did all four years with President Trump the first time.
I was one of about 12.
And I say I have the bruises to prove it because that was a rough and tumble first administration.
But, you know, when we I was in the Office of Public Liaison, it's handled all the coalitions, Hispanic, women, faith, veterans, you name it.
And then came to know Pastor Paula White, who was President Trump's pastor for 25 years.
And her and I became very close, started working on the faith initiative that was there beforehand, got very close, and then we created what was called National Faith Advisory Board on the outside during the four years President Trump was out of office.
And so we went to him of March of 2024 and said, sir, here's this idea about a faith office.
Now we know branding, so we named it President Trump, White House Faith Office.
He loved it, made a few things, you know, read through it.
It's only four pages, read through it, made the markings of like, okay, let's add this, let's do this.
But you know what was remarkable?
He didn't have to ask an advisor, should he do this?
He immediately wanted to do this and wanted to bring it to the White House.
Get Susie on the phone.
We walk her through it too.
Promises made, promises kept.
We have this White House faith office since February 7th of this year, and he's very involved with what we're doing.
He wants to know how the pastors and rabbis and all the faith leaders are doing.
He wants to know about their cases.
Some of them have been discriminated, especially during the Biden administration.
And you know what?
Just one, because I'm going to forget if I don't say this.
You mentioned Franklin Graham.
Reverend Franklin Graham is a wonderful man, and he has been such a great partner with us.
But think about this.
Going back, Billy Graham, his father, worked with every president, whether they were Republican or not, and was welcomed into the White House.
The first time that the Graham family was not invited to the White House was during the Obama administration and then the Biden administration.
So something is fundamentally going wrong with the federal government that doesn't, you know, who cares about the politics of it, but doesn't invite people of faith to the White House and really uplift them.
Yeah, you're making a distinction because I know that I think that Franklin Graham did visit Barack Obama at his home.
I'm pretty sure I remember that, but you're right.
Where is the invitation to the White House?
So that's significant.
And I have to say, Jenny, in an era where faith is so often pushed to the margins of public life or else it's treated as something private and inconvenient, it's really nice to see that we have a White House that still understands what so many presidents once did when you bring up the previous presidents, that prayer isn't a weakness in leadership.
And there is a recognition here, and I applaud that.
I really do.
So while we're on that subject, because religious freedom, I mean, we consider here in this country religious liberty or America's first freedom.
So where do you see the greatest threats to religious freedom today?
And we can even go beyond this country.
You can start with this country, but I know that you're also working with Nigerian Christians.
Let's talk about that.
Yeah, so I would love for all of your listeners, especially, I know that they're smart and they talk to lots of family and friends, that when people come at you with, oh, separation of church and state, because we get that a lot, right?
And I just remind people that the separation of church and state means that the government cannot dictate to you what religion you can be.
It does not mean that people of faith don't have a voice in the policies that are directly affecting them.
And that's why saying giving them a voice is a big deal.
We engage thousands of faith leaders.
And you talked about prayer.
We pray with the president in the office, whether the cameras are on or off, because he welcomes prayer.
And not just from evangelicals, but from every denomination, Catholic, rabbis, imams, you name it.
We make sure that we are there for all people of faith in this country because we were built on faith.
But if you just look at the Biden administration, you know, when people say, oh, you know, well, I have my religious freedom.
I'm fine.
I can go to church.
I could pastor.
I could do whatever I want.
We have a problem in this country when 23 innocent people who are praying outside of an abortion clinic silently are put in jail and the president of the United States has to pardon them.
That's what President Trump did.
We have a problem when the IRS, instead of collecting your money, which we don't like anyway, are watching pastors' sermons to find out if they're going against the Johnson Amendment in their opinion.
And then imagine you're a medium-sized pastor, you know, of a medium-sized church, and you get a letter from the IRS.
That's really scary.
We always say the process is the punishment because it never gets to the Supreme Court on those issues.
Because if it did, and we have plenty of scholars that will say this, we would win that time and time again.
We have a problem when people who are our heroes in the military, maybe SEALs, who are kicked out of the military under Biden because they would not get a religious exemption for the COVID vaccine.
So all of these, and I can go 15 minutes of the examples of where the federal government discriminated against people of faith.
But what we're doing is turning that around.
We're working with the Department of Justice, working with the State Department, working with the Department of War.
Basically, every department and agency has an extension of our office with a faith director specifically in that department and agency to make sure that people's rights are upheld, their religious rights are upheld.
And so we are fixing policy throughout the federal government so that people have their rights.
And so fixing it in the workplace, whether you want to wear a cross or want to pray at work, the fact that you can do prayer in school.
So all the things that were sort of turned on their head in the Biden administration, we're fixing those.
We're trying to codify as much as possible.
Yeah, that's wonderful because when you think about it, here we are celebrating 250 years of liberty.
One of the first things, one of the main reasons that our founding fathers arrived here was for religious liberty.
And they would be turning in their graves if they knew that we are actually fighting for that at this moment in this country.
Absolutely.
I mean, again, we have to remind people that we were founded on God.
We were founded on faith.
And we were founded on a Christian faith.
But we welcome faith because we are a free country.
Now, you did hit on a thing I didn't mention, which is Nigeria.
I just happened to go to Africa in November.
We went to five different countries, meeting with all the presidents, meeting with faith leaders from five different countries.
And Nigeria is so important.
And this is what shows you the heart of President Trump.
He learned, and we put together briefings on it, about how many Christians were being persecuted in Nigeria.
And he went and put that post on his own and then did two subsequent posts about saying that the killing in Nigeria of persecuted Christians had to stop.
And unfortunately, the Nigerian president came out and said, oh, this isn't happening.
That's not why they're being killed.
Well, that didn't sit well with the president.
So he came out again.
So working with Senator Secretary Rubio, our office met with their Nigerian delegation, and we are working together.
I will say the good news is that Nigerian delegation wants to work with the U.S.
They said to us, you know, our Constitution is the most close constitution to the United States Constitution in all of Africa.
And we said, that is awesome.
But our Constitution has stayed the same.
But yet a president before that was discriminating against people of faith.
So it really matters who the president is.
So your president's going to have to step up.
And then you've got Nikki Minaj coming out of her celebrity and making this a big deal.
So we are working very hard in Nigeria.
And the good news is that the Nigerian government is a willing partner to work with us.
And you're going to see a lot of that on the horizon as more things were able to announce.
Yeah, that just does my heart good because for so many of us, when we hear what's going on and how those Nigerian Christians have been persecuted, you know, you wonder what can we do?
How can we help?
And we know that our country is helping.
It's just so heartwarming.
And I'm so pleased to hear that.
Thank you for what you're doing.
Absolutely.
And you should be, everyone should know, too.
Secretary Rubio, Secretary Hegset, the president, the vice president, everybody's on this and working towards a solution.
Hard to turn around a problem when it's Islamic terrorists.
And so it's not the Nigerian government, right?
It's that they're being overrun.
But they continue to allow that to happen.
It's got to make this stop.
And so, you know, the president is all about peace deals and he's wanting to make sure that peace reigns throughout the world.
Jenny, I, you know, when we talk about the chaplain corps, and Linda said that you're, you know, that the Secretary of War's decision to make chaplain corps great again, it really is encouraging to hear because I am reminded, I'm someone who reads a lot about history and history of wars.
And, you know, there's that old saying, there are no atheists in foxholes.
But so many times you will hear stories from men who fought in battle and thought they were going to die or they were next to someone who was in fact dying.
And their first thoughts, actually, their first thoughts were of their mother a lot of times and in books that I've read.
I like that.
But also God.
So it's great that you're bringing that back too, because that's something that I think is so essential, especially when you're out there and you're fighting for righteousness and you're fighting to keep America safe to know that they have that, that that foundation is available to them where they serve is remarkable.
So good.
I mean, Secretary Hegset, since day one when we met with him, has been all over this.
I mean, he has really run with this and just brought, you know, they do a Bible study, a worship service every month for the staff, making, you know, really rising up with the chaplaincy very close to my heart.
My husband spent 22 years in the Marine Corps, and I can tell you that when he was in combat, boy, prayer was a big help on our part and their part.
And having a chaplain with them and available to us, such a big deal.
And I don't know anybody that would be against having the chaplains there because again, chaplains are ecumenical.
And so whatever faith you are, the chaplain is there to pray with you to help you through things.
Daily life, too, just the marriages between the people in the military and whether you're in, like you said, you're in combat.
The chaplain key program is so important.
And there's something fun that I'll tease out a little bit that we're going to do for next year with the chaplain.
So stay tuned for that.
Oh, that's great.
We will be.
We'll be anxious to hear more.
Hey, I have to say, Jenny Corn, thank you so much for what you're doing.
And with everything that's happening and Americans still discouraged about a lot of things, the nation's direction, I'm so glad that faith still plays a restoring hope in all of this.
So God bless you and thank you so much for what you're doing.
Thank you so much.
Thank you for having me.
God bless you.
Merry Christmas.
Merry Christmas.
All right.
We'll be back with more of Hannity after this.
So don't go too far away.
We've got lots planned for you.
You're going to love it.
Welcome back to the Sean Hannity Show.
I'm Rose sitting in for Sean today.
So love being with his audience and with everybody in the New York studios.
These people are great to work with.
I promised you I'd take your phone calls, and that's exactly what I'm going to do right now.
The phone number is 1-800-941-Sean, 800-941-Sean.
And I'm going to take Russ because he's come from Pennsylvania.
He's the first one on the list.
And Russ, what a fascinating story.
Can't wait to hear it.
You're from PA, and you know Dr. Carson.
Yes, I met him 45 years ago when he operated on my son's neck at Johns Hopkins.
I originally was living in Baltimore, Maryland area.
No kidding.
And your son was how old at the time?
Because he was a pediatrician.
He was a surgeon.
Not even two months old.
No, you're kidding.
No, I'm not kidding.
I pray for him every day and thank God for him.
He really saved my son.
I hear, I have heard that more than once about him and what he's done for children and the surgeries he's performed.
What an amazing man.
What a gifted man.
And I'll tell you something, Russ.
What I really appreciate about him is that he did have a hard time when he was growing up.
And he was told by others, you know, classmates and so forth, that he was stupid.
He's anything but stupid.
He's one of the most brilliant minds, brilliant surgeons that we could ever hope for.
Yes, he is.
I thank God every day for Dr. Benny Morrison, and I pray for him.
I'll bet you do, sweetie.
Thank you so much for that call.
I appreciate that.
Oh, that is so beautiful.
Phil is calling from Michigan.
How are you, Phil?
Doing well.
Hey, before I start, I want to wish you a very merry and blessed Christmas.
Thank you.
Same to you and all of you.
I'm sorry.
You were talking about socialism earlier.
You know, there is nothing stopping every person who advocates for that from donating everything they can.
You've got billionaires like Soros who could put, you know, money instead of NGOs into a massive fund and they can dole it out how they see fit, operate it as a not-for-profit, and have their own little socialist paradigm.
The reason they don't do it is because they don't want to donate their money.
They want to donate our money.
Exactly right.
And did you, you know, that reminds me of this story too.
AOC, I guess, I don't know if it was last week that made the news about her campaign finance filings and it showed that about $50,000 was spent on luxury hotels, high-end dining.
And I guess this rented venue that she had in Puerto Rico was pretty costly too.
And the reason that this matters, Phil, is because she has built her public image not only around anti-wealth rhetoric, but she's been very vocal at her opposition to gentrification, if you will.
And she has openly identified as a socialist.
And that's the backdrop.
And yet, she is the first one to criticize wealth and the top performers.
But at the same time, she feels very comfortable taking some of her campaign money and living the high life.
And it just reminds me of the whole, you know, socialism for thee, but not for me.
That's her attitude.
The contrast couldn't be clearer.
On one hand, she's a politician who condemns wealth and privilege and excess.
And on the other, her campaign funds are being used for luxury accommodations.
I mean, come on.
I played in bands for years.
And one of my guitarists was a very, very, very devout Democrat and kept talking about how, you know, Democrats want to help their band.
Republicans are just out for themselves.
And I had to point out to him, look, between you and Kim, you have four cars, a pickup truck, you just bought a new house.
And between the two of you, you make about $175,000 a year.
Now, Bill Clinton's magic poverty number, I think, was around $37,000.
So until you give away everything above that, keep your hand out of my pocket.
Well said.
Thank you.
Thanks, Phil.
Merry Christmas, and thanks for the call.
You're absolutely right.
Jeff is calling from Florida, where it's probably a lot warmer than where I am right now.
Hi, Jeff.
How are you doing?
Good.
How are you?
Doing very well.
Thank you.
Yeah, I just wanted to comment on the left insistence that the establishment clause was about the separation of church and state.
Now, that was a sidebar, but the primary purpose and theme of the establishment clause was to allow Christians who came to this country to worship in any manner that they chose.
Right.
They were chased out of Europe by King James and the Anglican church over there.
If you if you know, you know, English were Anglicans, the Spanish, the Spanish and the Italians were Catholics, the Germans were Lutherans.
Well, Lutherans couldn't be Catholics and Catholics couldn't be Anglicans and Anglicans could be Lutherans, and there was no worshiping on public streets.
So whenever Bradford came here with settlers seeking religious freedom, the Puritans were already here.
Puritans derived from the word purify to purify the Anglican church.
So the settlers here wanted to worship in any way they choose were being prosecuted, persecuted by the Anglicans.
And that's when Jefferson and Madison decided that we needed an establishment clause to allow them to worship in any manner that they chose or like the Levit like to say, or not worship at all.
Exactly.
Was it the primary purpose?
And we were founded, settled, and framed by Christians and built on Christian values.
The 56 framers were all Christians.
You know, colleges in this country, Harvard, University of Virginia, William and Mary were all founded as Christian missionaries for the sole purpose of educating Christian ministers.
Exactly.
You are exactly right.
Boy, have we come a long way, baby, haven't we?
Yes.
And back in the day, there were two Christian services every day in the Capitol building.
And there were two Christian ministers appointed.
And Jefferson, when he was president on a regular basis, would ride his horse to the Capitol to attend that minister.
But not only that, to this day, that is still a tradition.
To this day, there are two Christian ministers assigned to the Capitol.
You know, thank you for reminding us of that.
And you're absolutely right.
Thank you, Jeff.
Thank you.
I appreciate that phone call.
You're absolutely right.
And we do forget that because we, honestly, who remembers?
Ask anyone on the street, did you know that Harvard started out as a Christian institution of education?
They don't know it.
I'm going to jump to Rudy real quick too in Indiana.
Hey, Rudy, thanks for calling in.
Merry Christmas.
Thanks for taking my call.
Really, if you look at it, it's not totally the government's fault.
The government lost their resolve, and we as citizens have lost our resolve.
And we should also uphold the Constitution and act with resolve.
And we've somehow lost our way.
And if we could just hang on to it and stand firmly on it, we could wade our way through all these troubles.
Well, you know, Rudy, I mean, that's a great point.
Here's the problem.
The resolve for what?
If you, you know, young people today, and that encompasses actually a very large number of younger people.
I'm talking millennials on town.
They don't really know what it is that they have resolved for.
What is the Constitution?
What does that provide for us?
Why is it the most radical document of all time?
Why have no other governments done exactly what we have done?
You know why?
Because it would mean giving up control.
And that's why they don't.
But see, they are not taught any of this in school, in public schools.
They're not taught this in the universities.
Our youth, our young people here in this country do not understand what it is they should have a resolve for.
And that is for liberty.
And it is liberty that lifts all men and women up, where socialism does just the opposite.
It brings everybody down to a level of misery.
They don't understand that.
They don't understand the radical document that the Constitution is and why it's so radical.
It's radical because no other government would do that.
No other government is willing to give the control to the people.
Now we've lost that over time.
We have a republic, Dr. Benjamin Franklin, but it's holding on by a thread 250 years later.
They understood that there was a chance that that could dissolve that republic if we can keep it.
I just don't know how hard we are working to keep it if it's you and I and those who are our age. and perhaps older that understand why it's important to keep that republic.
These young people do not know what it even means to be in a republic, let alone resolve to keep it.
And that is what concerns me the most.
And we can't expect the schools and the history books to teach our children the truth about this country.
It is up to every one of us.
We have got to share that.
We have got to drive that home because if we don't, if we don't, there is nothing to have a resolve for.
There is no republic if we don't continue to fight to keep it.
And my God, I hope we can go beyond 250 years.
I really don't even know.
I really don't know.
But you and I and the others, Rudy, we've got to keep fighting for that and we have to keep educating.
Well, at least we got the Republicans with the majority for the moment.
So that's a start.
For the moment.
Yeah, that's a start.
But still, when you've got a mindset out there, the majority mindset is that they are, everyone is owed something.
You are owed nothing.
And I love what Dr. Carson said.
He said, you know, the only one who can make a success for themselves is you.
The only way to become a success is that you have, you participate in that process of becoming a success.
And then they've lost that.
Everybody wants a handout.
Everybody is like, you know, woe is me.
God, I don't know.
God help us.
Really, something significant has to happen in the minds and the hearts of Americans today.
It really does need to happen.
Thank you so much for your call, Rudy.
I appreciate it.
We're going to take a break.
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I don't know if you guys heard this story over the weekend, but it says a lot about where we are as a country right now.
And also, surprisingly, where our better angels still kind of show up there.
Last week, a Target employee, her name was Jeannie Beeman.
She was at work just like any other day.
She wasn't giving a speech somewhere.
She wasn't protesting.
She wasn't bothering anybody.
She was simply wearing a red shirt, which Target allows, right?
But this red shirt read freedom, you know, a nod to Charlie Kirk, Turning Point USA.
Well, that was enough because there was a woman who later was identified as Michaela Ponce.
She's an employee of Enlow Health in Chico, California.
She decided to film herself confronting this Jeannie while she was on the job.
And it wasn't a disagreement.
It was harassment.
Let me tell you.
On camera, you can see her asking Jeannie if she's blanking stupid, calling her a piece of blank, threatening to complain to management, all because Jeannie dared to wear a shirt, expressing a view that the left doesn't like.
And here's the part that really matters.
Jeannie never raised her voice.
She didn't insult back.
She calmly explained that Target allows red shirts and she wished the woman a nice day and walked away.
That is what you call race under fire.
But as you can imagine, that video went viral, understandably so, right?
But here's where the story takes a turn the left didn't expect.
Instead of Jeannie being punished or shamed, I love this, Americans rallied around her.
A fundraiser was launched called Give Jeannie from Target a Vacation.
And the goal was to give her a chance to step away from the ugliness, relax, and recharge.
Guess what?
It's probably higher now.
I checked last on Saturday morning.
That fundraiser raised over $260,000 then.
I haven't had a chance to look now, but a lot of the support said that the goal increased now to $300,000 with the organizers joking that maybe they can give her a vacation and retirement.
So here you go.
That's not cancel culture.
That's consequence culture.
I love it.
And it's coming from everyday Americans who are tired of watching decent people like Jeannie get attacked because she had a t-shirt on that the left didn't like.
I just love it.
You know, let's be clear about what this story actually shows.
It shows that the so-called party of tolerance still has a real problem with intolerance, especially when it comes to conservatives or free speech or working class Americans who don't fall in line.
But you know what, guys?
It also shows something else.
It shows decency still resonates.
Calm still matters.
And when someone refuses to bow to intimidation, people notice.
Jeannie didn't shout.
She didn't insult.
She didn't back down.
And America showed up for her.
I love this.
That's a reminder worth holding on to how we should all respond, not react.
You know, and that's something I'm working on myself.