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Navarro's Prison Ordeal - September 18th, Hour 3
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If you want to be a part of the program, in just a minute, a friend of the program, our friend Peter Navarro, is going to be with us.
He's got a phenomenal new book out.
I want all of you to get this book because what happened to him should never happen to any American ever.
I went to prison, so you won't have to.
A love and lawfare story in Trump land.
And I'm going to tell you something.
Once you pick it up, you're never going to put it down.
But before we get to Peter, I want to take you back.
President Trump commenting.
Remember, this all had to do with Peter Navarro.
He had the option.
He could have gone before the, what, January 6th committee, whatever it was, and pled the fifth and just sat there and said, I plead the fifth, I plead the fifth, I plead the fifth.
And he refused to do that.
And they did this to him.
They did this to Steve Bannon.
And they never do this to other people.
You can go back into the Obama administration, et cetera, et cetera.
All these people, you know, would get referrals.
Nothing ever happens.
But no, in their case, they put them in jail.
And I remember the day Peter was going to jail.
I remember the day that he was outspoken speaking to the cameras.
And my heart broke because, you know, nobody deserves this for that.
It's so ridiculous.
Anyway, I want to play what President Trump said at the time.
This is back in March of 24.
Shame.
I think it's a disgrace.
It's a disgrace to our nation.
Anyway, Peter Navarro joins us now.
Sir, welcome back to the program.
Glad you're with us.
I'm glad you wrote this book and thank you for sharing it with us.
It really is pretty unbelievable.
You stood on principle because you said at the time, and I remember and you repeated it, that this was a constitutional issue.
This is about executive issues, executive power, executive privacy.
We'll never have people that can advise a president if they're going to go to his advisors and demand that they tell them what advice they gave the president.
Nobody will ever be free to do that.
Sean, you're absolutely right.
And the good news here is that my case remains on appeal.
It's on its way to the Supreme Court.
U.S. versus Peter Navarro is a landmark case on the constitutional separation of powers.
And you're absolutely right.
It's not a partisan issue.
Senior White House advisors will never be safe from imprisonment if I lose my case.
Sean, I went to prison so you won't have to.
You are in the dedication, my brother.
You were there for me throughout the whole thing, not only with support, but also with really good analysis.
You were one of the few who understood the constitutional issues.
And I went to prison so you won't have to.
is a warning.
If they can put me and Bannon in prison, if they can try to put Trump in prison, they can come for you.
They will put you in prison.
In fact, I would say that if we lose the White House again in 28, there's going to be people on our side of the fence who are going to prison simply because the other side can.
But it's also an expose, Sean, because what's really interesting is the FBI agent who put me in leg irons and handcuffs, a guy named Walter Giadina, on that fateful day when they surrounded my fiancé and I, five darn FBI agents, it's come out now that I was just a tip of the Junior Dina's iceberg.
This guy, Sean, was one of the guys, according to whistleblowers at the FBI, who said the steel dossier, the fake steel dossier funded by Hillary Clinton, was real.
And essentially, because he vetted it in that way, it went forward, gave birth to Crossfire Hurricane.
And Chuck Grassley, through whistleblowers, has now uncovered a whole treasure trove of how this guy, you follow him, what he did to me, Sean, and what he did to Donald Trump.
And he was involved in virtually every opportunity and targeting of Donald Trump, either to stop him from getting elected 2016, 2020, and 2024, or getting him out of office.
He's an insurrectionist, in my judgment, and an election interferer, in my judgment.
But he's one of many, Sean.
And the whole message of I went to prison so you won't have to is simply this.
If we don't hold these people accountable, they'll do it again.
And the people, Sean, you know the list.
It's Comey, Clapper, Brennan, Paige, Strzok, Garland, Matt Graves, his assistant.
It's Pelosi.
It's Benny Thompson.
It's Liz Cheney.
It's all these people who think that they can use our justice system to punish us.
And Sean, this is, I mean, everybody I served with in that first White House at the senior level has paid a heavy price.
Dan Scavino, close friend of the president, you know well, Sean.
Mark Meadows, former chief of staff, millions of dollars they had to pay.
Rudy Giuliani, America's mayor, they bankrupted him.
Jeff Clark, John Eastman, they're trying to take their law license.
They put Steve and I in prison.
They tried to put President Trump in prison.
They tried to assassinate him twice.
And the worst of all is my brother, Charlie Kirk, getting assassinated by these people who seem to have no bounds or boundaries in terms of what they will do to us.
So, Sean, I appreciate the time today.
I went to prison so you won't have to is the wake-up call.
And I can't thank you enough for being so supportive, sir, during my trials, literally, and travails.
I have spent years on this issue of the deep state, starting with the dirty Russian disinformation dossier, FISA applications, the phony Russia-Russia-Russia hoax.
We had a very small ensemble cast of people that, you know, I spent years exposing it.
Everything that has now recently come out has proven us to be correct, more right even than I knew at the time, but we knew we were right.
And, you know, what's amazing about your story to me, and I can't put enough emphasis on this, is you stood on principle.
You could have taken the path of least resistance.
You could have just pled the fifth, and you would have walked out of there, and it would have been over.
However, the principle of what you were doing was right.
And then as a result, they tried to treat you like a terrorist for crying out loud the way they treated you.
And if you want to talk about that, feel free.
Sean, I believe very strongly that we have to honor our oath of office and protect the Constitution.
And yes, I was willing to put my life on the line, literally, because prison, that's no country for old men, my friend.
It was a dangerous place.
I made the best of it.
But I hope, you know, if you remember my speech at the Republican National Convention, the remarkable thing about that was that was the night of the day I got out of prison.
And having the opportunity to talk about that experience to the American people, I think it was a wake-up call.
I think it might have got one or two votes for the boss.
He would have won in a landslide anyway.
But this battle is far from one.
I mean, look, it's like if you look at what they're doing, here's the thing, Sean.
How do they call us fascists?
It's like Schumer.
It's just Jasmine Crockett who's so unhinged, Maxine Waters, AOC, Bernie Sanders, Hakeem Jeffries.
They all got the same talking point.
We're the fascists, right?
And I went to prison.
They put me in prison, and I'm supposed to be the fascist.
They killed Charlie Kirk, and he was supposed to be the fascist.
They tried to put Donald Trump in prison.
So, look, if we don't hold him accountable, that's the message of I went to prison so you won't have to.
They'll do it again and again and again and again.
Because, Sean, they have no filters, no boundaries.
You look at the crap they spew, these congressional representatives.
I mean, can you imagine Adam Schiff being Senate majority leader and Jasmine Crockett being the House majority leader?
What kind of work.
I'm about to vomit, but keep going.
Yeah, so I think that after President Trump got elected in a landslide, too many of us on the MAGA side of the fence relaxed and said that, okay, now we're going to get great government.
We're going to get things.
And that's what we're getting from Donald Trump.
No question about it.
But these dark forces are just waiting to get back power.
Oh, they're dying to get back.
And they will come after conservatives with a vengeance, just like they did the last time, probably even worse than before.
You know, when we had Paul Manafort on the program and man, what they did to that guy and put him in isolation.
I don't know if you've ever had a chance to read his book, but he would tell the story.
Basically, on a regular basis, they'd come and say, just tell us what we want to hear.
We'll let you out today.
And that is an incredible incentive because I got to imagine, as you said, not a fun place to be in prison, right?
And he said, well, if I told you that, it would be a lie.
And he could have sold his soul and he could have lied and he would have gotten freedom, but I don't think you're ever free if you live with that kind of lie.
And he wouldn't do it.
And then he told me, and this shocked me, that the one thing that gave him hope is I didn't know he'd listen to Rush for three hours, me for three hours, Levin for three hours, and then one of the prison guards would put up my TV show and he'd hear me talking about him every night.
And that made me, you know, feel good that it gave him some hope and comfort in a time where, you know, his life was falling apart in many ways.
It just life stops.
Two days before I went behind bars, I had a long talk with Paul, and I feature that in I Went to Prison So You Won't Have To as a thank you to him because he let me know what the worst case scenario might be.
He was the worst case.
The thing they did to him, Sean, which was so unforgivable, is they put him in jail before they even charged or tried him with anything on the grounds he was a flight risk.
And I think he spent over a year behind bars before he was even convicted of anything, which is just, I mean, that's beyond criminal.
But he gave me some guidance about how to structure inside, you know, to make sure you work, you do your writing.
That was the basis for the diary, actually, Sean, that constitutes the bulk of I Went to Prison So You Won't Have To.
I did a daily diary in hand.
No computers in there, brother.
And he also talked about the importance of routine and doing your push-ups and sit-ups and taking care of your body because prison will kill you and it will take time off your life even if you survive.
And that's what I went through, you know, the conditions in there.
And if you want to learn what it's like to go to prison for a misdemeanor defending this country, like read I Went to Prison So You Won't Have To.
That's part of the story.
All right, quick break more with Peter Navarro.
I went to Prison So You Won't Have To.
A Love and Lawfare Story in Trumpland telling us his incredible journey.
He didn't have to go to prison, but he stood on his principles.
More with Peter on the other side.
If you want to get the book, Hannity.com, Amazon.com, bookstores now all around the country as we continue.
We continue now with Peter Navarro.
His new book is out, I Went to Prison So You Won't Have To, A Love and Lawfares Story in Trumpland.
And you can get it on Hannity.com, Amazon.com, bookstores around the country.
How bad was it for you?
I mean, I remember being, you know, I had like sick to my stomach watching that all unfold and watching you go in that day and just, you know, hoping everything was going to be okay.
What was it like for you in there?
Sean, I went in there not knowing that, but it was interesting.
The prison was largely supportive of Donald Trump because Biden had let so many prisoners down of so many colors.
And there's a funny story in the book about how like on the third day these guys surround me and it's like I'm thinking, okay, what's going to go wrong here?
And they start telling me about how they admire and trust me because I didn't snitch.
You know, I'm sitting there.
It's like this comic Kafka Joseph Heller MoMA thinking about the moral equivalence between refusing to testify to defend the Constitution and on the one, from their point of view, not telling on their gang members because of something they did that broke the law.
But dangerous guys, but a lot of humanity in there.
There's another story about how the first day they helped the culture there is that a new prisoner comes in.
They don't hate them.
They actually give you some sneakers and a blanket if you need it and things like that that they collect from everybody who leaves like the day before.
But yeah, I was able to save at least one guy's life, maybe two, while I was in there.
And Sean, you'll never have a story like this.
I went in there and became an investigative reporter that uncovered a $5 billion scandal inside the Bureau of Prisons.
And the epilogue to I Went to Prison, So You Won't Have To is simply that on the outside, I played a key role reforming the Bureau of Prisons, got a new director in there, and I solved the very problem I identified, and that's going to help over 50,000 inside and their families at the savings of a million dollars so it's quite Peter I want to you you let out that you might have saved a life or two
I'm going to hold you over for just a couple of more minutes if you have the time, because I think it's worth people hearing these stories on the other side.
If you have the time, we'd love for you to stay another minute.
Our friend Peter Navarro is with us.
I went to prison so that you won't have to.
A love and lawfare story in Trumpland.
We'll get back to Peter on the other side.
We'll also get your calls in, 800-941 Sean is on number if you want to be a part of the program.
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I just had a couple more questions from my friend Peter Navarro.
I went to prison, so you won't have to, a love and lawfare story in Trumpland.
And it's on Hannity.com, Amazon.com, bookstores around the country.
So you take this stand-on principle.
You could have gotten out of it, but you thought it was morally wrong to do so.
They go full bore at you.
They put you, they did the same thing to Bannon, put you and Bannon in jail, and you go to prison.
And you said when we were going to break that you even had a couple of moments that you were like Switzerland.
You didn't get involved with the various factions and groups within prison.
You just kept your head down.
You had a routine.
You did your writing.
You did your exercising.
And people were very nice to you because you weren't a snitch.
But then you said you even saved a life or two.
That got everybody's attention.
I want you to explain that.
Yeah, Sean, I didn't keep my head down.
What I did was move fluidly among the groups.
And over time and quickly, when they needed help, I would come to it.
And there was one instance about a month or so in when one of the toughest and gruffest guys in the whole prison, big, big, big guy, he'd be on the basketball court every night, just throwing elbows.
Tough guy.
He comes to me about 6 o'clock at night with an interpreter.
He didn't speak a lick of English.
This tough, gruff guy is literally in tears.
He's in so much pain.
He looks like he's like eight months pregnant.
And through his interpreter, he's telling me that he went to the guard on duty asking for some medical help and just wasn't getting it.
So I go down the hall to the guard and I look him in the eye.
I say, look, brother, you got two choices here.
You can either not help this guy now, and he might die.
Tylenol is not going to fix because that's what they wanted to give him.
Or you can get him some help.
And I walked back and within 20 minutes, they had an ambulance there.
And that night, they operated on him for three hernias.
And if they hadn't operated that night, there's a good chance we would have lost that guy right in the dorm.
And it wouldn't have been the first guy who died in that dorm.
So these are the, I mean, if you want to find out what it's like to go to prison, read, I went to prison so you won't have to.
That's part of the story, the whole prison experience.
But it's also this warning cry here, Sean, because you know, if they get powered back, they're going to come after us.
So the law fair is draining us dry, taking our money for legal fields, putting us in prison if they can.
And now we've got just crazy people running around shooting people on the right because they call us fascists after they put us in prison.
It's just infuriating.
So, you know, I appreciate your support, Sean, on this.
And as you can see, listen, they wanted to go after everybody.
I mean, I had to hire a full-time legal counsel and legal team.
And I'm just, I'm in the media.
And man, did they come, they just come after you with a vengeance and they try to get you on everything.
Unbelievable, but nothing compared to what you went through.
I don't want to even begin because, you know, I just have admiration for the fact that you stood on your principle.
I have admiration for the fact that, you know, you looked fear in the eye and you just said, you know what, this is too important to give in to people that are abusing their power.
And I do hope, and I pray, with all the information that has come out, that all of these deep state operatives, all these people that abuse their power, all of these people that were dropping cinder blocks on the scales of an election, I hope they're all held accountable for what they did because otherwise the constitutional republic that we love is forever in jeopardy and it scares the daylights out of me.
These elections matter.
Peter Navarro, appreciate you.
Appreciate the book.
I went to prison so you won't have to.
A love and lawfare story in Trumpland.
And it's on Hannity.com, Amazon.com, bookstores around the country.
God bless you, my friend, and keep up the good work in the White House.
Thank you for always having my back, brother.
800-941-Sean, our number, if you want to be a part of the program.
All right.
Oh, Professor Katz is here.
Last time we had Professor Katz on, he was going into surgery.
It had to do with cancer.
We've all been praying for her.
And welcome back to the program.
How are you doing?
Thank you, Sean, so much.
Well, first of all, I just want to say thanks to God.
And thank you to you and Linda and all the Hannityites for your love, your support, your prayers.
The doctor went in.
He was able to ablate the mask and the whole area.
Unfortunately, they had to go in through some of the lungs.
So that's why I have this like, you know, Sean Hannity's sexy voice.
But I'm waiting on the CT scans to see if they did, in fact, get everything.
They're hopeful that it didn't metastasize, but they couldn't do the biopsy because I was not doing so well under the anesthesias, and they felt it was too risky to go through.
So they did keep me in the hospital, but I wanted to come home quickly.
I kept saying I want, I was like Dorothy and the Wizard of Oz, you know, about there's no place like home, but I really was not wanting to leave mom.
But I will say that there is no cancer that I went through that is worse than the cancer that has infected our media and our society with the assassination of Charlie Kirk.
And that just, you know, that whole thing was playing out during my recovery.
And, you know, that's what did they say there, but for, you know, God go I. You know, we just, my heart goes out to his beautiful wife and children.
I know what it feels like to lose a husband and for my son to be without a father under totally different circumstances, but it's never easy.
And I'm just so sad that there are so many young people that are so hopeful and they're doing the right thing and opening up Turning Point USA chapters in their colleges and that we need more adults in the room.
You've got Jimmy Kimmel and you've got the entire left media saying things that are, you know, anti-Judeo-Christian, anti-Semitic, anti-Christianity, anti-American, you know, anti-all the MAGA movement, which does nothing.
You've got the people that are using this to grift about the whole Second Amendment.
You know what?
The lady in Ukraine who was killed on the train, that was a knife.
What happened in Boston years ago, that was a bomb.
Are we going to outlaw cutlery?
It's not the instrumentality.
And then you have the little group on our side of the aisle that are attacking Fox News and attacking you and Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro, attacking Prime Minister Netanyahu, attacking Israel.
And if it wasn't for Fox and Ben Shapiro and Dennis Prager, a lot of these people wouldn't even, you know, we wouldn't even know about them.
And so I want to say to all of them, stop your grifting, stop your, you know, clicks.
Put your prayers and, you know, your support for the Kirk family, for those children.
And what you're doing is you're hurting President Trump.
You're hurting his foreign policy.
You are the same people that said, oh, we shouldn't go into Iran and it was going to cause World War III and called you and Mark and Ben warmongers.
It's like, knock it off.
We don't need any division.
We need unity.
And this is a time, if nothing else, for this country to once and for all come together.
We have a wonderful president, and that's all he's been trying to do.
He's got a big tent, and everybody is welcome.
But like Ben said, that's why you get some of the clowns.
We don't need clowns.
We need people who are going to get out there.
And if you're a parent, get involved in your children's education.
If you're a teacher, stop the critical race theory, DEI, fake history garbage.
And if you're a young person, I encourage you, stay off the internet, go to the library, read great books.
Peter Navarro was just on.
He's a wonderful man, a man of courage.
There's so many great books out there to find out.
And listen to Sean.
You know, we should have t-shirts that say not only was President Trump right about everything, Sean Hannity was right about everything.
And, you know, this is really a time for kids to learn that you use your words.
You don't use violence.
Let me tell you, Professor, I wish every professor was as articulate, informed, passionate as you are.
I really do.
I am so, only because I have to, for the constraints of time, and I have to get to other callers.
I am so happy that this went well for you.
We were worried about you, we're not going to lie, and we were praying for you and in every good way.
And we need your voice, and these students that you teach need your voice.
And I just want to make sure that if there's anything we could ever do to help you, that you understand you are friends here.
Okay.
Thank you so much.
That just means the world to me.
And, you know, I hope, you know, we're just about to start the Jewish New Year.
And, you know, Charlie was a big supporter of Israel and the Jewish people and celebrating Shabbat.
He was a person of faith and family and friends and preserving the freedom of this country.
And that's what we really, really need.
And I'm just really hopeful that with the Jewish New Year coming, that when I get into the doctors for, you know, in a couple of weeks, he's out of town now, but that they're going to say that, you know, I'm cancer-free and that's what I'm looking forward to and, you know, to many more years of being, you know, on the Sean Hannige show as a caller.
And, you know.
Professor, I have a funny feeling that God is not done with you.
No way.
And we're going to have many conversations in the years to come.
Professor Katz, appreciate you more than you know.
800.
Thank God she's okay.
800-941.
Sean is on number if you want to be a part of the program.
South Carolina, Ron is next.
Ron, how are you?
Glad you called.
Doing great, Sean.
Appreciate the show.
I could have listened to the professor for quite a while.
She was very articulate.
Excellent.
I think I'll have to let her fill in one day because she can go on all day like me.
I hear you.
Well, listen, I haven't heard it in a long time, but let me tell you, you are a great American, and I appreciate all you do.
Thank you.
God bless you.
You're a great American, and we have many great Americans in this country.
People that are, you know, they never get the credit that they deserve, the people that do make the country great every day, the unsung heroes every day.
Absolutely.
Our thoughts and prayers are with everyone involved with Charlie Kirk's situation with our nation.
And I just had a question to you.
It seems to me this has the feel of a militant movement with what happened, how he was shot, the children in the Catholic Church that were killed by transvest.
It seems like it's a militant, it's a militant movement that's coming about.
I know that Cash Patel and the FBI are doing their due diligence, looking into the contacts that this gentleman had.
But I was just wondering if you thought this was an organized, is this an organized movement that's coming up on the scene?
I don't know.
The FBI, I know, is looking into any possible connections to any.
There are armed groups, radicalized groups in the area that seem to have the same political agenda as the shooter, as the assassin.
Do we know that there's a connection?
We don't, but I do know they're investigating very, very keenly.
Another thing that bothers me, were there people that had knowledge that this was going to happen?
And did they post that knowledge?
There's some anecdotal evidence, maybe real evidence, that in fact that is being investigated.
And those that were celebrating there as they were listening to Charlie, I think every one of those people need to be questioned as well.
We need to make sure any, anybody involved in this is captured and punished appropriately.
We've got to make sure we get to the root of all of this.
My friend, appreciate the call.
800-941-Sean.
I wish I had more time if you want to be a part of the program.
All right, that's going to wrap things up for today.
Tonight, Hannity, 9 Eastern, Pastor Frank Turek will join us.
He was right next to Charlie Kirk when he was shot.
He's going to tell us that story.
Ari Fleischer, Joe Concha, Miranda Devine.
Of course, we'll have an update on the latest, the indefinite suspension of Jimmy Kimmel.
Also, The Deep State, more exposure.
We have James Comer.
We have Katie Pavlich.
DVR, 9 Eastern.
Tonight, Hannity on Fox News.
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We'll see you tonight, back here tomorrow.
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