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Autopen Scandal Continues - July 17th, Hour 3
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It's getting interesting, and that is the issue of the autopen scandal as it relates to the Biden uh crime family, if you will, or the Biden syndicate.
Whichever you prefer.
We had House Oversight Committee Chairman Jim Colmer on this program earlier this week.
We had him on TV again uh this week.
And uh he said last night that he may call President former President Joe Biden and former First Lady Joe Biden to appear uh before Congress as part of the investigation because all these people keep pleading the fifth.
Uh and he's had it, and he wants answers.
And I don't blame him.
And I think he's right.
Joe Biden's chief of staff, better known as uh Joe Biden's work husband, Anthony Burnell, uh went before Congress yesterday, and he kept pleading the fifth again and again and again.
Uh let me play it for you.
Mr. Bernal, did you ever advise President Joe Biden to pardon his son Hunter Biden?
On the advice of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer the question pursuant to my fifth amendment rights under the constitution.
Mr. Bernal, was President Joe Biden fit to exercise the duties duties of the president?
On the advice of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer the question pursuant to my fifth amendment rights under the constitution.
Mr. Bernal, did any unelected official or family member of President Joe Biden execute the duties of the presidency?
On the advice of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer the question pursuant to my fifth amendment rights under the constitution.
Mr. Bernal, did President Joe Biden ever instruct you to lie regarding his health at any time, including but not limited in your testimony to Congress today?
On the advice of counsel, I respectfully decline to answer the question pursuant to my Fifth Amendment rights under the Constitution.
Now we're gonna be joined in a minute by Mike Howe.
I think he might have had one of the best exchanges ever, barring with Democratic Congressman from Arizona named uh unsari over these detention centers.
Remember, there's they're struggling.
Should we call them internment camps or concentration camps?
No, they would be temporary prisons uh to hold people that violated our laws and that are going to be deported.
They're not concentration camps, they're not internment camps, people that violated our laws and didn't respect our borders and our sovereignty.
Anyway, this exchange what went pretty viral and it was pretty awesome.
Take a listen.
So, Mr. Howell, I have a couple of questions for you.
Very straightforward, yes or no.
Do you support this type of treatment of human beings?
I'm sorry, I wasn't listening.
All the other Democrats haven't asked the question, so I kind of wasn't paying attention.
Can you restate it?
Okay.
The detention center facility conditions in this country are atrocious.
Women are being harassed, they're being dehumanized in Arizona.
They were forced to march outside in a hundred and twenty-degree heat until somebody fainted.
I have visited these detention centers as part of my oversight responsibilities.
I know you're a big fan of oversight.
Do you think that is acceptable treatment of human beings by the United States of America?
For illegal aliens to be detained throughout their immigration proceedings, yes.
I'm not taking your word for it.
Okay.
Um on top of that, uh, 17 million Americans were just cut off of health care thanks to the vote of all of the Republican colleagues over here.
Meanwhile, Republicans just gave more money to ICE and DHS to the tune of 170 billion dollars.
It's now one of the largest funded um agencies in the world, about 16th or 17th in terms of what a military would look like for other countries.
Again, you talked about the importance of oversight, Mr. Howell.
Do you believe that members of Congress are legally allowed to conduct oversight of ICE detention facilities?
As we've written excessively the oversight project, because we're trying to help keep your colleagues out of jail, like Representative McCyver, who was indicted.
I misspoke when I said she was arrested.
You as an individual member do not have oversight authority.
Oversight authority by the rules of the House flows through the full House to the chairman, and that right now is held by the majority.
So it is that you cite the case.
I want to keep you out of jail.
Anyway, Mike Howell joins us now, president of the Oversight Project.
Wow, that was a pretty pretty incredible exchange yesterday.
Thank you for being with us.
Yes, sir.
We had a great time yesterday.
Uh sometimes you got to jump in there and actually engage with the opposition.
And they weren't asking questions for the most part.
They tried kicking me out of the hearing room at the beginning because Benny Thompson didn't like that.
I was reading uh violent quotes from Democrats back to him, encouraging for violence uh against ICE, and then at the end, that Congresswoman, you know, sat there for seven hours because that's how long the hearing was, and that's the exchange you just heard.
We had a great time.
Well, I actually have one of Joe Biden's spokespeople that has agreed to come on Hannity tonight.
And uh I have some very pointed questions I'm gonna ask.
I'll be respectful.
Uh but you know, we were pointing out Joe's cognitive decline.
We we've traced back, I think it was August or September of 2019, when it was becoming pretty apparent to me that that he was struggling mightily, and you know, the rest of the media just turned a blind eye to it all.
And the idea that what we're learning from the New York Times and elsewhere is that is is pretty spectacular, is that Biden only set up standards and and criteria and that he absolutely had no specific knowledge of either the commutations or the pardons that were were being given out.
I mean, that to me would render it invalid.
You're absolutely correct.
I mean, that only the president has the power to pardon.
It is really that simple.
You cannot just float an idea and then have staffers go fill in the blanks.
It doesn't work that way.
It's the entire basis of our system of government where we invest tremendous power through elections in our constitution into one individual.
And that didn't happen for four years.
What I don't understand, and and maybe you can help me out with with this, and and this is the problem I think they have, and they're they're all pleading the fifth on this, and I don't really think they have any choice because if you lie before Congress, that's a crime, and you could be facing jail time, right?
Contempt of Congress.
Uh lying to Congress is a is uh is a crime.
I think every one of them knew what was so transparent and obvious to the country, and that was Joe was was in a significant cognitive decline.
Now there are some people, if you ask them, they will still stand by the big lie, like they lied about the borders being secure and they lied about uh inflation being transitory.
They the big lie is uh I'm having a hard time keeping up with Joe Biden.
He's so articulate and sharp.
I'm like, well, you must be in really bad shape.
But the reality is if you knew that this was the case, to me, that is a massive constitutional crisis.
That means a duly elected president is not capable of performing the duties of the office.
That means the 25th amendment should have been invoked.
That means people not only covered for him, but took on uh the uh uh uh a role, the role of an as as an unelected president with no accountability to the people and involved in a cover-up of incredible magnitude, especially when you factor in the the nuclear football and access to nuclear weapons, this could have been catastrophic in my view, And I think everybody needs to be held accountable.
Now, if they tell the truth that they really did see the decline, then that would mean that they they're admitting to guilt.
I don't I don't see that they have an option but to plead the fifth.
Well, there is an option, sir, and it's one we've been pushing uh publicly and privately.
And you might recall when Oliver North testified in relation to Ren Contra, he was immunized.
He was the Congress has the power legislatively uh to grant immunity to witnesses, therefore they do not have criminal liability that they can use the Fifth Amendment uh to cite to.
So that the Fifth Amendment issue goes away if you immunize certain people.
It gets a little hairy because at the committee level, you need two-thirds of the vote, and obviously Republicans don't have two thirds of the committee.
They have a little more than half.
But the statute allows for basically a a full house action.
And so if all Republicans, a majority of the House wants to do this, they could do it.
There's a couple of procedural things that I won't bore you with, but it's basically they they they launch a formal house investigation and and give this power of immunity to Comer, and so he calls Bernal or whoever back in and says we grant you immunity in exchange for your testimony, therefore you you cannot claim the fifth, and if you refuse to answer, then we cite you to for contempt and prosecute you.
So uh the the fifth citation is a speed bump, it is not a stop sign.
Okay, that's what that's definitely I think part of a process that that Comer should use, A, and B, all these people like Hunter Biden and Jim Biden, uh that had a lot of influence with the president, uh, they don't have the ability because they got preemptive pardons to invoke the Fifth Amendment either.
And I think they should all be called in.
They should all be put under oath, because at that point, if they don't acknowledge the truth, uh, and it's clear Hunter won't ever tell the truth, but if he lies to Congress, he would be at that point, he's not covered by immunity or by the pardon that was given to him by his father, because that's post pardon.
That that's absolutely correct, as already lost to Congress that happened after the term of the pardon.
So they should be in there, they should be under subpoena and held in contempt if they don't provide the information requested.
And it shouldn't just be, you know, verbal testimony under subpoena.
Uh, you know, we should think of this the way the January 6th committee uh proceeded, where they got text messages, bank transactions, private emails, you name it, they got everything.
And to really unpack this grand conspiracy, because it is a conspiracy, many people were involved, they're going to need to get evidence outside of just traditional official emails and overly lawyered verbal testimony.
If the truth is out there and they could get it.
All right, quick break.
We'll come back more with Mike Howell, president of the Oversight Project, testifying uh yesterday.
I mean, it was a beatdown of all beatdowns.
Uh that and much more coming up for Benny Thompson.
By the way, what did he do with the files for January 6th?
Inquiring minds would like to know.
Just saying.
Uh anyway, he was not happy with Mike Howell.
Uh, we'll continue with him on the other side, then your call's coming up.
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All right, we continue now, Mike Howell, president of the Oversight Project.
I mean, just a complete beat down of Democrats yesterday on the Hill as we continue our discussion as it relates to the autopen issue.
All right.
So let me let me ask you this question.
Now, based on what we learned in the New York Times that Joe Biden did not know about the cases of commutation, the specific cases and pardons, uh, and that somebody else authorized the use of the autopen.
Does that render those commutations and pardons invalid?
And how do we get to that point?
Yes, yes, it does.
As we mentioned earlier, only the president can pardon.
He can't set categories if someone goes and fills in the blanks for.
How you get to it is you uh for those those commutations are basically death row inmates.
Yeah, you put them back on death row, and you make sure you they proceed towards execution.
Obviously, the prisoner will cite his pardon and then it'll be litigated, which will bring on a whole new discovery period where more evidence could be gathered by the government, the witness could assert evidence, the Biden officials could come in and try to provide evidence that Biden actually authorized it and it was good, but ultimately it takes an executive action to charge these individuals, and also people like Fauci or Millie Or uh, you know, the January 6th committee members, Adam Schiff.
I told him his pardon was no good, and that's how you need to go about it.
Oh, it's gonna be interesting to watch all of this unfold, and uh what do you say to people that just stick by this idea that Joe was not a cognitive mess?
What do you say to them?
Because I I think they're just lying.
Lonelier.
Everybody knows at this point.
It is just a matter of degrees that people are willing to admit blame.
You know, you have these tapper types, Jake Tapper out there saying, Oh, we were duped, but he was incapacitated.
You have members, even Biden's friends in the Senate, admitting it it got too bad.
So it's just a matter of degrees, but at its core, everybody knows Biden wasn't fully operational, and it's getting worse over time.
And I think the the real danger to to Joe Biden himself now is there's not a political reason for people to lie for him anymore.
And that's why I think people are claiming the fifth now, because the first witness that went in, near a candon, she broke with the administration in a couple subtle ways that didn't really get picked up.
She was a staff secretary, and that that person is who handles the paper for the president.
It's the guy Will Sharp that everyone sees on TV handing President Trump, executive order after executive order, and they're in charge of the paper and making sure the president signs it and everything's bund up in accordance with the right procedures.
Well, she told Comer she only saw Joe Biden about once a month at best.
So she had no proof of life, so to speak, that he was actually authorizing the paper that she was in charge of moving.
That was a massive revelation.
She would just send up decision memos, quote unquote, uh into the board of senior staff, even though she was a senior staff, and they would come back returned to her with an initial.
And think about that.
So she the decision memo wasn't the text of ultimately what spat out.
It could have been something as simple as, hey, we're gonna do some immigration EOs.
Are you good with that, Mr. President?
And then an initial comes back, and then something comes out that opens the border to and does tremendous damage.
And when you break the chain of custody and control and approval like that, you allow other people to assert presidential authority, which is illegal in a lot of ways, not just in constitutional ways, which it clearly is, but potentially in criminal ways.
You can't impersonate a federal official, you can't forge signatures.
You cannot be a misprison uh uh misprisonment of a felony, which basically means everyone's aware something's wrong happening and they have the power to stop it, but they don't.
This could be criminal very quickly.
Well, appreciate you being with us.
Mike Howell, great job yesterday.
It was very impressive, and I don't get impressed that often.
Uh great day for you.
Thank you.
All right, 25 now to the top of the hour.
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Um, you know, we talk a lot about making America great again, making America great again.
But then there's Donald Trump.
And Donald Trump also is making America fun again.
No other president would ever think about doing what he's planning to do.
And that is a UFC fight at the White House next year.
How cool is that?
Did you hear that Connor McGregor is thinking of maybe coming out of retirement to be on the card?
How cool would that be?
And I know he's older, but he was he was definitely one of them.
It's like the best thing ever.
Yeah.
I I mean, if Mike Tyson wanted to get in the ring as like an undercard boxing part of it, I'd love to see that.
I love to see Iron Mike.
I spent time with him.
I did a the podcast with him.
Um I mean, he's such a nice person in real life.
I mean, it's it was really remarkable, so soft spoken.
He's like into pigeons.
He does smoke a lot of wheel and you got that company of his.
I think this is one of those moments where I'm gonna take that quote and keep it forever.
He's into pigeons.
He does smoke a lot of weed.
Things I never thought I'd hear Sean Hannity say.
No, he he loves he he's in love with pigeons.
And he has uh, you know, all these pigeons, and they all all come back to him.
They can deliver messages.
Crazy.
Okay.
No, I'm I'm telling I spent all this time talking to him about it.
So you guys talked about pigeons.
That's cool.
Well, but I but you know what?
I look putting aside this guy's had an upbringing from hell.
I mean, there's no other way to put it.
And um I'm putting aside everything else.
He was one of the greatest champions of all time.
You know what?
Does he have his flaws and his faults?
Yes, he does.
All of Sind have fallen short as he has the most amazing thing, and it was Jim Gray that wrote about it in his book, Goats about Mike Tyson.
And Mike Tyson said he was not guilty of What they found him guilty of, but he had done enough wrong things and really bad things that he knew he deserved to be in jail for that.
I mean, isn't that pretty incredible?
Listen, I think he's an incredible person.
I think that he's an interesting person.
He definitely says a lot of things that are, you know, a little out of pocket.
But the pigeon thing is cool.
Well, I don't know.
I mean, that's what I love about the podcast is it's not political.
You know, why do people want to smoke weed?
I can't I I I am so anti-drug, I can't even describe it.
I am too, but I gotta tell you something, Sean.
I've been seeing the use of weed in a medicinal way for like seizures and Parkinson's and different types of palsies.
It's pretty amazing.
The bad side of it is there are people, and they'll say that it's non-addictive.
I think that's totally.
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Totally agree with you.
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Number two is you know, when it comes to like doing bad things or things that are gonna be harmful, they they're really good at that.
And the potency of the weed that they grow today is so strong that's and you have to make sure it's not laced, and then you have to get it from a dispensary.
Yada yada, all the food.
Okay, and a lot of the dispensaries was you know, in your former city, New York, uh, are not even licensed, so you really don't know what you're getting.
And and people become psychotic on this.
And and I'm I'm people don't know what the dosage level is.
I I've heard stories about people.
Oh, I'll take a little gummy.
You know, apparently this is like popular among like uh moms with kids in school.
Did you hear about this?
These like these groups.
You well you can read about it.
I don't know.
First of all, why would you do that anyway?
They taste disgusting.
Ugh.
What the gummy?
Yeah, because I take um CBD gummies to go to sleep at night.
They don't have any THC in them whatsoever.
Okay, for example, it don't work for me.
Nothing works for me when it comes to sleep.
You know, I've tried everything in the world.
Um, and anyway, long story short, and then somebody, oh, you go just try one, and they try it and doesn't work, or then they take another one.
And meanwhile, the first one didn't even kick in yet, and then they're like totally out of their mind, wasted.
But with that said, Mike believes medicinally, it helps him.
I mean, he he kind of acknowledges that he's he's had problems over the years.
He's very transparent, he's an open book, he's a co in in that sense he's very cool.
You know, the interesting thing too I've learned about people is that that I've been interviewing in these podcasts, which are not political for Fox Nation, is like Jillian Michaels had a tortured childhood, was 170 pounds, and she's like five foot two.
And Stephen A, I mean, you know the story about his dyslexia.
It is heartbreaking when he tells the story.
Or Montel Williams, you know, he actually cried in the podcast, and you listen to his story when he found out he had MS. I mean, it breaks your heart.
Um, or sliced alone, had a brutal father growing up.
I mean, there's so many people when they tell you their story.
I mean, when people get angry with you in life or people that are in bad mood, mm-hmm.
You know, you you sometimes gotta remember where they could where they're coming from.
You don't know why they might be in a bad mood that day.
You have no idea.
Uh but anyway, back to my where I was going with this.
Um, you know, we talk about Trump, make America great again, but he's also making America fun again.
And he's gonna bring this UFC fight to the White House next year.
And he mentioned it, Dana White now confirmed it.
Here's what Dana White said.
Whoever actually gets to be there live, it will be such a unique, amazing experience in their lifetime to be able to go to this fight.
And for us, when you think about um when the fight is going on while the fight's happening and we're filming, one whole side of the backdrop will be the White House, and then the other side will be the Washington Monument.
So it's just it's it's so unique, so once ever, like you said.
How many fighters reach out to you that want to fight it?
Everybody wants to fight it.
That's that's what I was gonna ask you because everybody wants everybody.
How yeah, I know you can't say too much because you guys will announce it when you announce it, but well, no, well, here's the thing.
We're still a year away.
Yeah.
So the whole UFC landscape will change over the next year.
We'll see where we're at.
And we will absolutely positively put on the baddest card of all time.
So this is not gonna be like a normal card.
All cards are great, but this is gonna be a super card.
I think it I think it's unbelievable that Dana White is doing that.
I think it's great.
I think the pre only Donald Trump would ever do that.
All right, let's get to our busy phones.
Uh let's say hi to Paul in Connecticut.
Paul, hey, how are you?
Glad you called.
Hello, Sean.
Thanks for taking my call.
I uh call a caller over the years, and I always enjoy speaking with you.
I am a lifelong Democrat here in Connecticut who has something to offer regarding uh no tax on tips and the whole uh uh no tax on overtime thing.
You had a fella on the other day talking about fairness and wages.
So no tax on tips.
In most of the restaurant industry, waiters, wait staff, what have you, they don't work full-time 40 hour weeks.
So they're not offered things like health care.
They're not offered things like uh they're not available or they're not able to make as much money as, say, the manager or the owner.
There's just no possibility.
So for instance, my wife, she blew out both of her knees in her long career.
If she didn't have my health care, she'd be out on her butt doing nothing.
So the money she makes, she needs.
Do you understand what I'm saying?
So then the gentleman went on about how, you know, the full-time workers who make a lot of overtime, the supervisors aren't making much more if they're making anything more.
Well, supervisors get po bonus potential in so many corporations.
They also get better health care.
They also may get stock options or those kinds of things.
And maybe even some of them still get paid for over 40 hour weeks.
So the whole argument that that fella made the other day, both he just it has holds no water.
Things like no.
Let me let me let me tell you, in in Connecticut, if I'm not mistaken, uh, I think it's Groton, Connecticut.
Uh uh when I lived in Rhode Island, you used to have General Dynamics there, right?
I assume it's still there, right?
Electric boat, yeah, I believe general dynamics.
Electric boat, right.
Electric boat, yeah.
Right.
So imagine you work for one of those uh boat yard shipyards.
Let's say you're a welder, you're a steel worker, you're a boat builder, you know, shipbuilder, submarine builder, whatever you happen to be.
And you're working 60 hour weeks.
Um you're already paying your fair share in taxes.
Thank God we got the largest tax cut in history.
That would have we otherwise would have the largest tax increase in history.
And let's say you do have to you work a lot of overtime because you want to have a decent house and a nice neighborhood with good schools and you want a nice truck or car to drive to work every day.
And you know, you want to take a vacation every year, go out to dinner and not have to worry if you can afford it.
Um don't those people deserve a little relief.
Are they are they undertaxed or they overtaxed?
I think everybody's over taxed.
Agreed.
I can't even believe someone will make the argument that it's not fair.
Look, I know when I work overtime, the amount of money I end up taking home is barely more than if I didn't.
So you know, if I if I work a 50 hour week, it's not all that much more than my 40-hour week.
So I mean, here in Connecticut, I don't know.
Maybe things are a little different than say Utah.
I don't know, but I can tell you, as far as overtime goes right now, it the over no tax on overtime will make such a difference in my life for my kids.
That's awesome.
I love that.
I I uh you and by the way, this is why the Republican Party is now the party of working men and women.
Democrats are the party of coastal woke elites.
And um the working people in this country, they are the ones, people like you that make this country truly great.
You're the one you're the people that make the country great, and you know what?
You don't get enough credit for it.
And I'm grateful for all of you.
And I did that.
One of the best things I did in my life is real work for 20 years of my life.
It makes me appreciate every every day that I'm behind this microphone and in front of that TV camera.
Gotta roll.
Thank you, my friend.
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All right, that's gonna wrap things up for today.
We got a great Hannity 9 Eastern on the Fox News channel.
Set your D V R. Uh Katie Pavlitch, Mark Meadows, Mark Siegel, Mike LaRosa.
Uh, Michael, by the way, well, used to work in the Biden administration.
You know, a lot to talk to him about.
Why is everybody pleading the fifth?
Uh also Joe Concher, Riley Gaines, nine Eastern.
Hannity, tonight on Fox.
We'll see you then back here tomorrow.
Thank you for making this show possible.
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