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June 6, 2025 - Sean Hannity Show
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The Biden Pardons - June 5th, Hour 2
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Sean, if you want to be a part of the program, well, the scandal just is not gonna go away.
They want it to go away, but it's not gonna go away.
And you know, it's fascinating to watch Karin Zompier, Independent.
Now, we went earlier today.
I don't know where exactly it is right now, and we just kind of checked.
Okay, she she announces a book.
She's the former White House press secretary.
She's she's gotta be doing, you know, a pretty good book sales or something.
No.
Not even close.
It is one million eight hundred and twenty thousand eight hundred and fifty-three on Amazon.
That is an unmitigated disaster.
That means maybe you sold two or three copies.
I mean, that's how bad it is, as she announces her big switch of affiliation to independent and how disappointed she was.
A look inside the Biden White House, outside the party lines, and how angry she was that they they chased Joe Biden out of the way.
And but of course, she saw no cognitive decline at all.
Anyway, brain fog uh Biden to mention.
He's claiming that he made all the decisions on pardons and executive orders himself, which is very hard to believe.
Uh, the Doge subcommittee has revealed how the Biden autopen may have funneled money to leftist NGOs.
Uh, we'll get into more details than we mentioned in the last hour, but and Biden is accused of dishing out 27 billion as a matter of fact on Green New Deal projects run by cronies in one of his final acts.
And it just Clearly was a cover-up for anyone with eyes to see.
Never mind the fact that the DHS under Donald Trump has slammed the Biden administration over the Ohio train derailment response and ignoring residents and hiding a potential cancer cluster according to their own report, which is you know pretty unbelievable.
Now, this is finally getting the attention of President Trump, and it is getting the attention of members of Congress.
Here is President Trump talking about the auto pen scandal.
Somebody said autopen.
Did I know the word autopen?
I'm just curious because I think it's the biggest scandal, maybe in the last hundred years in this country.
So when I hear that word, I think it has to be discussed because the fake news will try and you know hide it, and we can't do that.
But you discovered any evidence that anything specific was signed without President Biden's knowledge or by other people in the administration acting illegally.
Well, I don't think Biden would know whether or not he signed it.
I'm asking if you've uncovered it.
No, but I I've uncovered, you know, the human mind.
I was in a debate with the human mind, and I didn't think he knew what the hell he was doing.
So, you know, it's just one of those things, one of those problems.
We can't we can't ever allow that to happen to our country.
The danger our country was in, and I know some of the people that worked with him looked radical left horrible people.
And I could give you the name of some of the people that use the autopen, because I'm here, and I asked questions about people that were here also.
There are a lot of people that were here when that happened, and they're here right now, and they'll answer your question very accurately.
Uh, but I know some of the people that use that autopen, and those are not the people that had the same ideology as Joe Biden.
These were radical left lunatics that used that.
I mean, this this is this is the president's right.
I think it's the biggest scandal in White House history and presidential history.
Now, you might say it's comparable to Woodrow Wilson, but as far as we know, after he had a stroke, it was his wife that was making the decisions.
There's there was no evidence that I've read.
I'll ask historians, I'll bring them on the program to get more details, but that there was this vast conspiracy where everybody knew and everybody covered it up.
Now, the co-author with fake Jake Tapper over at Fake News CNN, this guy by the name of Alex Thompson, revealed who he believes was running the country during Biden's decline.
Listen.
By the end of 2023, I think it becomes clear that there is a bigger issue than just him struggling in ways beyond our normal principle, and that there's actually a decline and in his ability to do the job.
And I think there is a point when loyalty, there's a there's always a tension between loyalty the principal and loyalty to the larger institution.
And I think it was at that point that there was that tension, and I think they chose loyalty to the principal.
And who who is they?
And and this is what I really again, because again, I know so many of the people that I'm sure you all talk to off the record, who, again, in real time we were sort of trying to sort through and figure this out.
But who is the who in this conspiracy?
I mean, the inner circle?
Yeah, the people that were in charge were Mike Donald, Steve Raschetti, Bruce Reed, Anthony Bernal, the first lady's chief chief staff, the first lady and Annie Tomasini.
Those are the people that saw him the most and that had the most control over what he was doing and uh his day-to-day.
Now, James Comer, who we've interviewed twice, is now calling up more and more people to get to the bottom of what is a frankly a conspiracy cover-up here.
Everybody knew, and the uh and if they say they don't, I think they're lying.
That's my opinion.
I'm allowed entitled to my opinion.
Mike Howell is with us, president of the Oversight Project and leading figure in uncovering the autopen scandal is now weighing in the issue of Joe Biden, and they have officially uh uh opened this investigation into whether or not you know Joe Biden was confident when he used the auto pen to issue these lame duck pardons to family members and death row inmates, etc.
Anyway, Mike Howell, thank you for being with us.
Hey, thank you for having me on.
All right.
Well, what have you learned?
What do we know?
Uh I've been chronicling this since 2019, and then you heard the media, you know, that was liberal Joe, and then they the media on fake news CNN started talking about cheap fake videos.
Now Jake Tapper's making a profit off it, but he's the same guy that excoriated Laura Trump and said you're making fun of his stuttering uh when it was so obvious to anyone with eyes to see that he was in a massive decline.
So back in the the summer, we began a very comprehensive and exhaustive investigation.
Our team at the Oversight Project began pulling the paperwork because we saw what the rest of the world saw, the incapacitated president.
And we wanted to know how the White House was actually operating.
So we went to the paper, and you know, the papers that he allegedly signed, and what we discovered was shocking.
And we put this out a few months ago, which kicked off this whole autopen story.
Um, and that was an auto pen device was being used basically as a default mechanism for a lot of documents, and it particularly picked up as the White House went along, which matches kind of some of the reporting out there that the decline started sharpening, you know, in the later years of his presidency.
But uh we have another update for you.
Uh this is just uncovered by our team today.
Uh we had previously disclosed that there were two auto pen signatures, so think about like two versions of the same signature applied over and over again.
But now today we've discovered a third autopen signature type that was used on proclamations.
So think of things like tariff related or the you know trans day of visibility, those types of documents.
So what does that mean?
It could mean a couple things.
There could have been multiple auto pen machines, there could have been multiple settings, which then begs the question of did multiple people have access to it, what were the control mechanisms, and it makes this look like it was very chaotic without ample control.
And so we're very excited that President Trump has, you know, taken up and ordered his Department of Justice to watch an investigation based off our findings.
Comer in the House, and then over in the Senate, there's another investigation, so it's full speed ahead, and we got a lot of useful information that we're we're cooperating with them on.
Well, I'll tell you what it could be, and I know this from experience.
Um I only wrote four four books in my life.
I swore I was never gonna write another book in the and the previous book I wrote before twenty twenty was in twenty ten.
I just don't like to write it's too much work.
I find it painful.
And uh anyway, and it was in the middle of COVID when that book came out, which meant I had to cancel a book tour.
And what I did instead is I signed uh close to a hundred thousand what they call tip sheets that they actually inserted into the book, and it's it's really genuinely part of the book.
And when they told me, you know, what the early demand was, and they said we're gonna need a hundred thousand signatures.
I I was like, what?
Um but and they said, Well, we can auto pen them, and you can give us like six or seven versions of your signature, and they'll like alternate them with every signature.
And I said, I can't do that.
That's that's not sincere to me.
And so I signed them all, and I spent, you know, uh almost two straight weeks and and longer uh signing all of them because I'm very appreciative that people would be interested in my book, to be very frank.
And so I think that's where the setting issue, the third signature could come from.
Am I wrong on that?
No, I I think you're mostly right.
We've also uncovered several documents that do bear human signatures, and they vary wildly and dramatically uh on things like legislation and the like.
And there obviously are some things that Biden did sign publicly.
I think it could be a host of issues related to that, whether he could actually operate a pen in a you know similar manner over time as an open question.
But unlike you, the big difference between you and Joe Biden is you actually had the capacity to know, you know, you were signing your own books.
No, and the here's the interesting thing is people would say, Well, look at this signature and look at this signature, and they're so different.
I'm like, after you signed 5,000, it's not going to be the same signature because I could barely hold my hand up.
That's absolutely right.
But some of these signatures from Biden, you know, are so dissimilar, it really makes you wonder if he was even signing some of these things himself or if the human signatures were by uh another hand.
But here with the you know, multiple kind of versions of the autopen that we've we've uncovered, uh it really gets to the issue of did Joe Biden even delegate this kind of authority, or was he even aware of it?
And I think that's what makes this so functionally different.
The autopen was the device, the instrumentality to keep the White House operating as if everything was okay.
And what it really is in historical terms is a workaround of the 25th amendment, which you know, after JFK was assassinated, we had four assassinations in a hundred years.
Yeah, as you referenced the Woodrow Wilson incident, uh, the country came together and said we need a process to make sure we actually know who's in charge and have this figure it out.
One of the elements of the 25th amendment is the vice president and a majority of the cabinet can you know transmit to Congress and the Senate that the president is incapacitated.
So they didn't do that, obviously, and I think that's the big historical question as to why they they did not.
Their solution was to work around this, and the autopen was a device, an instrumentality, a strategy to get around the not have a president.
There's no way anybody can convince me, especially in those last three months that he knew everything that was being auto-penned.
I don't believe it for a second.
Now, it was interesting.
One of the people quoted in this book by fake Jake and this guy, Alex Thompson, whatever his name is, um, in this book, is actually quoted as saying, Well, we knew we could, you know, hopefully get him elected, and then, you know, we could just, you know, bring him out every once in a while just to show proof of life.
And that was their plan.
Which means their plan to me, you know, we can find that person that made that comment.
Their plan was to purposely deceive the American people, usurp our constitution, and a duly elected president with unknown radicals uh that the American people don't even know about.
That to me is like sounds like a coup to me.
That's because it is.
And I got news for Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson.
They're gonna have to give up that information in those names.
There is no right to hide sources in a criminal conspiracy, and that's what we're talking about here.
Don't take my word for it.
Take the Supreme Court who ruled on this very issue in 1972 in Brandsburg v.
Hayes, that a quote unquote newsman cannot hide sources in a criminal investigation, and that's what we are talking about here.
So I think Kapper and Thompson, who have done the most unethical thing I've ever seen in my life in the field of journalism, uh, who are trying to monetize their own cover up right now, will have to use that money for their legal fees should they be subpoenaed, which I hope they are very soon.
Well, it's really an unbelievable scandal.
All right, quick break, we'll come back on the other side.
Mike Howell is with us, president of the Oversight Project, and uh I I think we're understanding now why he's being called Trump's ultra mega pardon attorney.
We'll have more with him on the other side.
Also, uh coming up my uh we're gonna play President Trump with the German chancellor uh from earlier today, and my interview with Dan Bongino is coming up, and much more, and we'll have the latest out of Boulder, Colorado, straight ahead as we continue.
We continue now.
Mike Howell is with us, president of the Oversight Project, often dubbed Trump's ultra mega uh pardon attorney to talk about the autopen scandal and of course the cognitive cover-up scandal, the biggest presidential and white house scandal in history as far as I'm concerned.
Where do you think that this is going?
So there's a couple ways this is gonna go.
One is I mentioned this is criminal in nature.
We've listed the statutes that are implicated.
They basically revolved around bribe forgery, um impersonation of an official, a government official, in some instances, potentially yes, bribery, because there's a lot of money flying around a lot of these issues, and you have to look at the incentives that people on the inside and outside had in manipulating uh the situation.
Second to that, there's there's other issues related to people who knew about what was happening and said and did nothing, the misprisonment of the of a felony.
And you get into realms of conspiracy and all these legal theories that were applied in January 6th will really come back to to bite the Biden, you know, administration right in their backside.
And I think President Trump will ultimately waive executive privilege in the course of this investigation, so those officials cannot hide behind it.
Uh some obviously will try to plead the fifth, and I think that's something uh that Congress and others will have to get around.
It's gonna be a lengthy legal battle, criminal in nature as it relates to these things.
And also the people who received the pardons that I don't think Biden had any idea that you know where we're going out of that final day, uh should be held accountable for the crimes that they were pardoned for.
Who I'm talking about there is General Milley, uh Senator Ship and other members of the January 6th Committee and and so forth.
I think those people should be charged.
And in the course of those charges, they of course will assert their pardon as a defense and it'll be tested in criminal court.
Uh I think you're right on this game.
Honestly, now I know whether they call you Trump's ultra MAGA pardon attorney.
Uh we really appreciate you being on the program.
Mike Howell, president of the Oversight Project.
We will get updates from you as warranted.
Thanks for your time, sir.
Thanks, sir.
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All right, so you might recall Angela Merkel.
Angela Merkel, one day, Donald Trump hands her a white flag.
She goes, What's this?
It's the white flag.
The white flag is surrender.
Why are you handing me this?
Because she had just done a multi, multi, multi, huge, massive billion dollar deal for cheaper energy from Vladimir Putin and Russia.
You know, NATO mostly is designed as an alliance to prevent Russian aggression.
Most people should know that by now.
And it certainly is evolved into that.
Uh and you know, uh they don't want to pay their fair share of NATO.
Most most NATO countries are not paying their fair share like we are.
And he was making a point because when Europe buys Putin's energy, they are funding Putin's war machine.
Because Joe Biden turned a blind eye to sanctions on Iran.
Well, that funded their terror machine.
So anyway, the president met with the new German chancellor, MERS today.
They had a sit-down.
They talked about the travel ban in the US, stricter asylum laws in Germany, and their discussion about Ukraine and Russia, and here's how it went down.
I'm right about the great big beautiful bill.
We call it a great big beautiful bill, because that's what it is.
And uh again, biggest tax cuts in history, biggest economic development moves anywhere.
We've never done anything like it.
Uh business is spurred.
And I don't know if you've seen the numbers, but the numbers came out.
Even the CBO, which is run by Democrats, said that we're gonna be uh doing you know, I'd like you to discuss it, the two point eight billion a trillion that the CBO, this is some a group of people that are Democrats.
They're very hostile to us.
They just came out with phenomenal numbers, what it does.
You want to mention that, sir?
Yes, sir.
So what we've seen is we keep hearing from the CBO that there's going to uh be a large deficit from the bill, which we disagree with, but using the CBO scoring, uh they came out and scored the tariff revenue.
We think it'll be the minimum of 2.8 trillion over the 10-year window, Which actually puts the bill in surplus if you include the tariff revenue, which they won't do.
It gives you a tremendous surplus, but we're not allowed to use that.
For some reason, they say scoring.
Nobody knows what scoring means.
Maybe a couple of people, but nobody.
Somebody sits in the background, they say, well, we're not going to allow that.
They're not allowing other things that we have that are tremendously profitable for our country.
But if you saw the other day, CNBC, they came out with uh numbers, and the people in the show, very good people.
I've watched them for a long time.
They couldn't believe the numbers, how good they are.
The numbers were incredible.
And that was personal income, and also very low inflation.
We have very low inflation.
We're down to 2% now.
And maybe even lower than that.
And when I took it over, it was a mess.
Remember, we had the worst inflation probably in the history of our country.
They say 48 years, but let's say that's I think it's worse than that.
So we had the worst inflation in the history of our country under the Biden administration.
Now we're down to a beautiful number, 2%.
We'd actually like to keep it there.
Better than zero is two percent.
It's going down maybe to one.
And one percent is like perfect.
That's perfect.
You don't want to have zero for certain reasons that are that nobody is very interested to listen to.
But we have almost perfect inflation.
Grocery prices are down, everything.
Remember eggs, eggs.
We weren't gonna buy another egg for the next 20 years that were so expensive, right?
Remember?
You guys all hit me about eggs.
Eggs have come down 400%.
Everybody has eggs now.
They're having eggs for breakfast again.
But if you look at uh gasoline, very important, I think always the most important because it's the energy is a big the biggest factor.
That's what happened.
He screwed up our energy policy, and everything went up because energy went up.
But now energy is way down, and uh they have states where you at $1.98 a gallon for gasoline.
So the costs have way have come way down.
And one of the things I ran on was that I ran on the border, we have the best border in the history of our country, 99.99%.
It was uh last week three people came in.
Two of them for medical reasons.
We let them in because one of them had a heart attack.
I think it was a nice thing to do, and one of them had something else.
So we've never had I had very good numbers for four years, uh, but we're really topped it.
And I want to thank Christie and Tom Holman, that they've done a fantastic job.
Uh but nobody mentions that anymore.
Remember a few months ago, the border was a total disaster.
People were coming in by the hundreds of thousands of people a day, a week, a month.
I mean, we had a month, two million people came in in one month.
The border was being overrun, and a lot of bad people.
Criminals, murderers, drug dealers.
We had some of the worst people in the world coming in from all over the world.
It's totally closed.
And you know what?
People are coming into our country, but they're coming in legally.
So we've done a great job.
On your new travel ban?
Why now?
And if the boulder attack was part of your reasoning, why not include Egypt on that list where the suspect is from?
Well, because uh Egypt has been a country that we deal with very closely, they have things under control.
Uh the countries that we have uh don't have things under control.
And why now?
I can say that it can't come soon enough, frankly.
Uh we want to keep bad people out of our country.
Uh the Biden administration allowed some horrendous people, and we're getting them out one by one, and we're not stopping until we get them out.
We have thousands of murderers.
I hate to I even hate to say this in front of the chancellor.
Of course, you have a little problem too with some of the people that were allowed in the small country.
It's not your fault.
It's not your fault.
It shouldn't have happened.
I told her it shouldn't have happened what she did.
But you have uh you have your own difficulty with that, and we do, and we we're moving them out, and we're moving them out very strongly.
Uh, but it can't come fast enough.
We want to get them out, we want to get them out now.
We don't want to have other bad people coming into our country by using the word bad on being nice.
We had a very good talk, and uh, we've straightened out any complexity, and it's it's very complex stuff, and we straighten it out.
Uh the agreement was we're gonna have Scott and uh Howard and Jameson will be going and meeting with their top people and uh continue it forward.
But No, I think we have everything, I think we're in very good shape with China and the trade deal.
Uh we have a deal with uh China, as you know, but uh we were straightening out some of the points, having to do mostly with rare earth uh magnets and some other things.
Those reduced trade tariff rates, they remain in effect.
Yeah, we have we have the deal.
I mean, we've had a deal, we announced the deal, and uh we'll be uh I guess you could say, I wouldn't even say finalizing it up, Scott.
I would say we have a deal, and we're gonna just make sure that everybody understands what the deal is.
We had a really good conversation.
By the way, he invited me to China and I invited him here.
We both accepted, so I'll be going there with the first lady at a certain point, and uh he'll be coming here hopefully with the first lady of China.
We want to have foreign students, but we want them to be checked.
You know, the case of Harvard and Columbia and others, uh all we want to do is see their list.
There's no problem with that.
This is anybody outside of our country, international students.
Uh, because when we see some of the people that we've been watching, we say, where do these people come from?
How is that possible?
No, we want to have foreign students come.
We're very honored by it, but we want to see their list.
Harvard didn't want to give us the list, they're gonna be giving us the list now.
I think they're starting to behave, actually, if you want to know the truth.
We just hit the highest number in the history of our country, we think, but very close, but the highest in the history of our country recruitment, joining the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, uh, Coast Guard, police forces all over the country.
What did you do for them?
What was the spirit?
They love our country again.
You're gonna do the same thing.
The spirit, Mr. President, that we have we have great spirit is back in uh our country, and it's very simple.
You know, it was only Susie six months ago, right?
That you got reports, you're the one that released them that you couldn't get anybody to join the military, and now we're we're stopped.
Every service now is is packed, and we have waiting lists of people trying to get in as good as we've ever had in the history of our country.
So that's an honor.
That's a great honor.
When I see the moment when we're not gonna make a deal when this thing won't stop, uh in that moment yeah, it's in my my brain, the deadline.
If when I when I see the moment where uh it's not gonna stop, and I'm sure you're gonna do the same thing, uh, we'll be very verse, very tough.
And it could be on both countries, to be honest, you know, it takes two to tang them.
But they'll be we're gonna be very tough.
Uh whether it's Russia or anybody else, we're gonna be very tough.
That that's a bloodbath that's going on over there.
And when I see the moment where I say, well, they're gonna just keep fighting.
You know, I gave the analogy yesterday when I spoke to President Putin.
I had a two-hour and fifteen-minute call with him.
Sometimes, and this is me speaking maybe in a negative sense, but sometimes you see two young children fighting like crazy, they hate each other and they're fighting in a park.
And you try and pull them apart, they don't want to be pulled.
Sometimes you're better off letting them fight for a while, and then pulling them apart.
And I gave that analogy to Putin yesterday.
I said, uh, President, maybe you're gonna have to keep fighting and suffering a lot because both sides are suffering before you pull them apart, before they're able to be pulled apart.
But it's a pretty known uh analogy.
You have two kids, they fight, fight, fight.
Sometimes you let them fight for a little while.
You see it in hockey, you see it in sports.
The referees let them go for a couple of seconds, let them go for a little while before you pull them apart.
And maybe maybe, and I said it, and maybe that's a negative because we're saying go, but uh a lot of bad blood.
There's some bad blood between the two.
I have to deal with it, and the chancellor has to deal with it.
It's incredible.
The level of there's a great hatred between those two, between those two men, uh, but between the warring parties.
Great hatred.
That was President Trump and the Chancellor of Germany, uh uh Chancellor Murz, uh, with the President today.
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Let me come back, we'll check in with Colorado Congressman Jeff Crank, uh, who is with us.
He only lives ten minutes away from from this guy that was responsible for that.
That act of virulent anti-Semitism, and frankly, as far as I'm concerned, a terrorist attack on our own soil uh in Boulder, Colorado.
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