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This is the first vote as the conclave is officially underway.
No Pope has been elected.
I wouldn't expect it on the first round of balloting anyway.
And then usually there are meetings behind the scenes.
Linda, you never saw the movie Conclave that came out fairly recently, right?
So you'd fairly interesting.
But I heard it crashed and burned at the end.
It was a little strange, the ending.
There's no doubt about it.
The ending was weird and quite unexpected, to be honest, but it is what it is.
I don't want to get too deep into this.
You have now 35 Democrats have voted to overturn the electric vehicle mandate that the Biden administration let California impose on the rest of America.
35 House Democrats joining with Republicans in the majority 246-164 landslide vote.
That includes three to six Democrats from Michigan, three of five from Ohio.
That's four of 12 from Texas and even two from California.
The mandate would have required zero emissions vehicles for 43% of an automaker sales by 2027.
Can you imagine two years from now in California?
Great job, Gavin.
They don't care how much 13.5% state income tax, the highest gas taxes.
You know, I mean, it just is nonstop, just burdening, burdening, burdening people.
You know, Sweet Baby James sent this out earlier today.
I don't know if you saw this, Linda.
It was pretty interesting what he sent.
And it was mapped, you know, the best and worst U.S. states for saving money in 2025.
And it has different colors.
And interestingly, the states where you can, it's easiest to save money are states that are red states.
And then you go to the, then you go to the deep blue states.
And for example, my free state of Florida is the fifth easiest state to save money, and Texas is number three.
South Dakota is number seven.
I mean, there's nothing on this list that would surprise anybody.
Tennessee, interestingly, was number one.
Missouri was number two.
Let's see.
Pennsylvania, you're number 18.
New York is 41.
Shouldn't surprise anybody.
Let's see, New Jersey is 46.
Connecticut's 49.
Let's see, Massachusetts, 43.
Vermont, 48.
Maine, 38.
I mean, they make it so hard on people to save money.
Oklahoma was number four.
I'm still looking for the number one state.
I haven't found the number.
Number one.
Oh, Tennessee.
That's right.
I haven't found number two.
Oh, number two is Missouri.
I haven't found number three.
Number three, Texas.
There I go.
I got it now.
So I have the top five, and it matters.
California is number 47.
Oregon, 40.
You know, Washington State, 42.
One surprise, Idaho was 37.
I didn't expect that to be so high.
Montana, 34.
I didn't expect that to be so high.
Wyoming, 26.
It shouldn't be that high.
Now, Colorado doesn't surprise me at 31, and New Mexico doesn't surprise me at 30.
Utah kind of surprises me at 27, and they're in the middle of the pack.
Arkansas, 24.
It should be a little bit better there, too.
South Carolina was higher than I expected at 28.
They've got to bring things down there.
Pennsylvania, your state is actually surprisingly doing surprisingly well.
And just every red state is right up there, and every blue state is where it is.
And it shouldn't really, you know, Tennessee, the easiest state for saving money, helped by the low cost of living, lack of an income tax.
Hawaii ranks last due to high living costs, declining employment growth, four straight years of Biden inflation, followed by, you know, worries of, you know, where the economy is going, which we're going to get into in great specificity and detail here.
But, you know, there's a lot of rankings that the top five states all share the same characteristics, low living costs, below average tax burdens.
There are plenty of places in Florida that remain affordable, plenty of places.
If you want to live in a more coastal area, you're probably going to pay a premium.
But there are so many nice places that you can live in this country and live relatively inexpensively if you're smart with your money.
Anyway, so it's a lot of it has to do with the government.
I know there's a lot of chatter out there today about the Attorney General Pam Bondi.
I know that there's a desire to get this information.
I want to see it just as much as everybody else as it relates to the full JFK files, RFK files, MLK files, et cetera, but also the Epstein files.
And a lot of reports since Jeffrey Epstein died that he had surveillance cameras set up all throughout his various properties, which would record any interactions that the guests would have with these underage girls and the allegations that they made.
And there's absolutely zero information about what happened to the videotapes until today.
And we did get this information.
The FBI apparently has tens of thousands of videos related to Epstein's sexual crimes against young girls before releasing any of the information to the public.
Now, Pam Bondi originally had files, but then remember two, is then she found out, for example, in the case of JFK, oh, there's this whole other area of information that we didn't even know about.
I've got to give kudos to our friend John Solomon for breaking this story today.
We'll cover it tonight in more specificity and detail, but we now, they have declassified a Biden memo that would allow the FBI and the feds to target Americans for, quote, non-criminal behavior.
And this is before, remember, we went through the issue with Catholics and pro-life people and parents being probed at school board meetings.
Now, they literally put it in writing, and it's now declassified.
My understanding is that Tulsi Gabbard had a big part in exposing this.
It's actually in the piece that she did.
The breadth of the mandate disclosed when Tulsi released a fully unredacted version of the prior administration's strategic implementation plan for countering domestic terrorism.
And this is from June of 2021 and exposed for the first time the law enforcement and intelligence framework that led the FBI to monitor and probe conservative Catholics and parents who protested against some school board policies and justified Homeland Security to engage in censorship or debanking of Americans.
Remember, we went through that as well, considered to be, quote, political or potential enemies of the state.
I mean, what we are learning about government corruption abuse of power is, it takes your breath away.
But the Biden administration authorized federal law enforcement to target Americans engaged in, quote, concerning non-criminal behavior.
What does that mean?
It's sort of like the deep state debunking the very real Hunter Biden laptop that they had confirmed as authentic in March of 2020, meeting weekly in the lead up to the 2020 election with big tech companies, warning them that they might be victims of a misinformation campaign during the election, and it may have to do with Hunter and Joe and Burisma.
I mean, they were pre-bunking what they knew was ultimately going to come out because they knew Rudy Giuliani's attorney, Bob Costello, had a copy of it and that that was going to be released.
Anyway, the directives provided to the Justice Department and the FBI by the National Security Council, they developed the memo.
It said agencies should drive executive and legislative action to ban assault weapons, high-capacity magazines, reigning ghost guns, et cetera, et cetera.
Anyway, the full memo goes into it.
You know, for decades, the FBI has been required to meet very stringent requirements, as John Solomon points out in his piece, for opening criminal and national security investigation.
It's known as a predicate.
The predicate for a full investigation requires an articulable factual basis.
In other words, got to be real, reasonably indicating that a crime or national security threat has or is about to occur.
This is according to the Attorney General Guidelines for Domestic FBI operations.
And, you know, everybody with any brains understands that this is an abuse of power.
And this is what we were talking about when we kept talking about weaponization of our government.
And this is what they now came down to.
This is what it came down to.
You know, the fact that my personal text messages, not that it's about me, but I thought, do I not, even though I'm a talk show host with an opinion, do I not have a right to privacy?
And they just, you know, release thousands of text messages of mine and nobody in the media, you know, the only reason it became news is, oh, Sean Hannity's text message is released.
I can't believe he really believed this crap.
He's saying exactly on text message everything he says on the air.
Oh, I guess I was supposed to be a phony and a different person.
We are watching, I mean, the amount of lawsuits, this is where the Democratic resistance is getting worse and worse daily.
You got all these activists, legal groups, elected officials, local jurisdictions now.
We now have the full number.
It was on Fox News Digital, more than 150 lawsuits against the Trump administration since January 20th in response to more than 90 executive orders as well as executive proclamations and memos.
And the president has long been a legal target, which hit a fever pitch during the 2024 election cycle when Trump faced four criminal indictments.
I mean, all of this is designed to stop and usurp the constitutional authority of a president.
For example, Trump's executive order on voting, now blocked by a low-level federal judge amid a flurry of setbacks.
And all this would specify is providing documentary proof of citizenship before being allowed to register to vote.
That should be basic and fundamental.
Go try and buy an e-cig without a license.
Go try and buy a beer without a license and try and get on a plane now without one.
Good luck.
Now, the Supreme Court did stay a lower court ruling allowing the Trump transgender ban to proceed, but another federal judge ordered a return of a deported illegal immigrant to the U.S., rejecting Donald Trump's request.
I mean, we're going to have to get some finality here.
Judges cannot usurp the power of the president, especially on issues of immigration.
I mean, yeah, I mean, you got, look at the, look at how bad things have gotten here.
You have Venezuelans attacking NYP officers in Times Square, a 12-year-old arrested, you know, several times, thought to be the leader of this theft ring.
You know, immigrants, you know, they used to come to this country for a better life, but under Biden, where there was no vetting at all whatsoever, you've got the most dangerous people, terrorists, murderers, rapists, cartel members, gang members.
Look at just this week, a man from Brazil fleeing a nine-year prison sentence after being convicted of raping a 13-year-old after crossing illegally.
Yeah, he settled in a house in Cape Cod where the mother of his two children was running a daycare center.
Now a convicted child rapist living at a daycare center.
Kind of a bad idea.
And it was only after ICE arrested this monster that the daycare center was finally shut down.
And there's example after example after example.
ICE detained another illegal in another part of Massachusetts while he faces charges of repeatedly assaulting a 14-year-old.
Another illegal from Brazil recently deported back to his home country, accused of planning to murder children and plant bombs at the Lady Gaga concert at Copacabana Beach.
Another illegal committed a wide variety of crimes in Virginia, including exposing himself to children, now finally facing ICE custody, set for deportation.
And it just goes on and on and on, and I keep going.
The Trump DHS plans, by the way, to start deporting Biden illegals to Libya.
Top House investigator James Comer plans to grill Democratic governors over their sanctuary state policies.
It's about time because it's my understanding of the law and many lawyers we've interviewed sounds like aiding and abetting to me.
How else could you otherwise interpret that?
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I love that the House Oversight Committee Chair, James Comer, is going to be grilling these Democratic governors like Kathy Holkel and Tim Walz and J.B. Pritzker.
Anyway, sanctuary state leaders will have to answer questions June the 12th about how their administrations reduced or banned cooperation with federal immigration authorities.
Remember, the supremacy clause says that they have to do it anyway.
Comer said sanctuary policies only provide sanctuaries for criminal illegal aliens.
That's going to get very interesting because they're all going to have a political agenda.
Let's see.
Tom Holman vows to triple ICE enforcement in New York City after the NYPD commissioner orders cops not to cooperate with deportations.
How is that not aiding and abetting in law breaking?
I don't get it.
Makes no sense.
ICE, by the way, if you look at them, ICE is also making news today.
They raided a DC restaurant owned by former CBS anchor Nora O'Donnell's husband.
Whoopsie Daisy.
How did that happen?
I'm sure they'll be covering it on CBS News tonight.
I doubt it.
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We have discussed in great specificity and at length the president and what he's doing with tariffs and the economy.
And we're going to get into this latest.
Steve Moore will be with us.
We'll check in with O'Reilly, get his take on this.
But the choice we had was simple.
And you may not agree with the option the president chose.
And it definitely leads to disruption.
Anytime there is change and anytime you think anew about something, like, for example, nobody's ever thought of an iron dome for the United States.
I like the idea, especially because the world has got a lot of evil in it, a lot of hate in it, people with a lot of hate lists that run countries in the world.
And we've got to protect ourselves and assume that one day there could be a worst case scenario.
You just have to believe that.
It's a simple reality.
You have to have a personal safety and security plan.
There's evil.
You see it on the news every single day.
It's unfortunate.
I wish it didn't exist.
I wish everybody was a good person, but it's just not the case.
And so the president's choice was simple.
Either we go along with what has been 50, 60 years of establishment institutionalist thinking that, oh, okay, these countries, friend and foe, will rip us off, charge us tariffs, and we're not going to do a thing about it.
No reciprocal tariffs.
No demands that they remove their tariffs, never challenge the system and just accept the status quo.
And Donald Trump chose not to do that.
As a result, I think an unintended consequence is we see a lot of things have changed.
And we see a lot of money, investment money, in American manufacturing and infrastructure, including semiconductors and all important pharmaceuticals.
That's very critical, which is why you need your Jace case.
I'll tell you about that later.
But, you know, we're too reliant on other countries.
And the president yesterday, when he said, we don't want Canadian cars, this is what he said when he was with the Prime Minister of Canada yesterday.
We don't need your stuff.
We don't really want cars from Canada.
And we put tariffs on cars from Canada.
And at a certain point, it won't make economic sense for Canada to build those cars.
And we don't want steel from Canada because we're making our own steel and we're having massive steel plants being built right now as we speak.
We really don't want Canadian steel and we don't want Canadian aluminum and various other things because we want to be able to do it ourselves.
And there's no reason for us to be subsidizing Canada.
Canada's a place that will have to be able to take care of itself economically.
I assume they can.
We protect Canada militarily and we always will.
We're looking at, you know, that's not a money thing.
But we always will.
But, you know, it's not fair.
But why are we subsidizing Canada $200 billion a year or whatever the number might be?
It's a very substantial number.
It is a very substantial.
And why is Canada, you know, why do they put tariffs on any American products?
They want us to be best friends with them.
They do rely on us for their national security, whether they want to admit it or not.
It's just a simple, basic, undeniable truth.
Now, the president has the $8 trillion in investment.
We didn't expect that we're now approaching $200 billion, identified monies, waste, fraud, abuse, and corruption.
You know, we've got to think about future generations, our kids, our grandkids.
We're going to be approaching $40 trillion in debt in no time at all.
The president now pushing for that one big, beautiful bill, hopefully by July 4th, that would make his tax cuts permanent.
And for people that doubt that, they don't know the history of tax cuts.
Revenues increase because investment is spurred and jobs are created, and you have fewer people dependent on government.
And then factor in also the president's plan to make America the most energy-dominant country on the face of the earth because we have the resources to do it.
And there's been nothing but great doubt, uncertainty, skittishness, Wall Street, et cetera.
I think people are now beginning to adapt and adjust to the president's policies and understanding it better.
And considering that the people should know better, never thought this through or have not followed the news on the $8 trillion and committed monies and manufacturing, et cetera, and the jobs that will be created and the wealth that'll be created and the energy factor of this is kind of amazing to me.
I was the one that was predicting, yeah, I think China is going to eventually have to come to the table because they need access to our markets.
We actually both need each other.
We need certain things from them.
They need a lot from us, including access to their markets.
And now that their economy has been in a bit of a tailspin and that there's been uprisings throughout China, according to the Wall Street Journal and other places, it doesn't surprise me that this meeting has taken place on Saturday with the Treasury Secretary Scott Bessett.
Now, both the Atlanta Fed and Goldman Sachs have dramatically increased their GDP growth projections.
How interesting is this?
It looks like it's time to call off the recession that all these companies and all these media economists have been predicting now for six weeks.
For example, the widely watched Atlantic Fed, Atlanta Fed, has dramatically increased GDP growth projection for the second quarter.
The investment analysts at Goldman Sachs agree, and they've raised their second quarter growth projections even higher than the Atlanta Fed's number.
And, you know, how can the folks that were panicked into cashing out their investments by the media's politicized recession mongering, you know, what do they do to get the money back because they sold out early?
The GDP now model estimate for real GDP growth from the Atlanta Fed in the second quarter of 2025 is 2.2%.
As of May 6th, up from 1.1% on May 1st.
That is a dramatic shift after recent releases by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, the Census Bureau, the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis, the new forecast of the second quarter, real personal consumption expenditures growth released from 1.9% to 3.3%.
Real private fixed investment growth increased from 1.3 to 3.6%.
Goldman Sachs has significantly revised their forecast for the U.S. economy, raising their expectation for a second quarter GDP growth rate from negative three-tenths of 1% to positive 2.4%.
That's drastic.
And the revision effectively rules out the possibility of a near-term recession, which was the word of the day every day.
But look at all the monies that are they not realizing what the president has foundationally set up to happen.
For example, AstraZeneca, it's a U.K.-based pharmaceutical giant.
As part of their ongoing $3.5 billion investment in American innovation, AstraZeneca has opened up their first U.S.-operated cell therapy factory in Maryland to help treat cancer patients.
And this pharmaceutical giant said the new $300 million plant in Rockville, Maryland symbolizes their confidence in America's role as a global leader in science, manufacturing, and economic growth.
You know, do you think the communist Chinese wanted to keep ratcheting up tensions to the point that no products would make their way to the U.S.?
No, they need access to our markets.
You know, and in the lead up to this, they've had to cut their key rates by 10 points and bank reserve requirement by 50 points and a bid to boost the economy.
You know, it's all of this is predictable, and the president keeps saving money.
You know, the president's Trump energy budget is going to save all of every American in total $15 billion on these green new scam funds that they've been wasting so much money.
American manufacturers who report out today are seeing a massive surge.
As a matter of fact, the term that I read is they're being overwhelmed and swamped with order orders because people want to now buy American.
And, you know, tell me how that's bad for America to not be dependent on pharmaceuticals from China or automobiles from Mexico and Canada and Germany and other European Union nations that have been tariffing us to death and then adding their national sales tax on top of everything else, which is what they've been doing.
I mean, it's the fare tax, you know, as Neil Bortz called it, with the economic turmoil all over the place.
You know, you get the doom and gloom from everywhere.
I'm just telling you, these policies, it's going to take time.
And, you know, then to hear Joe Biden, it's a blasting.
Trump is foolish.
Biden sat back and let all of this happen and lied about it.
We'll get into this with O'Reilly.
And he denies he left the 2024 race too late to stop Trump because it wouldn't have made a difference.
I don't know how that would have made much difference, he said.
Well, maybe if they would have had a real primary, maybe it wouldn't have been Kamala.
That could have been a big difference.
I don't know.
Possible.
You know, it's interesting.
Yesterday we had the Rasmussen daily tracking poll, Trump at 51%.
What nobody in the media ever reports is the Democratic approval ratings that are just in the sewer.
I mean, how many people in the mainstream media have been pointing out the Democrats, you know, 60% plus unfavorable ratings?
And on issues, it's even worse.
Republicans are taking on 80-20 issues, and it's paying off for them.
Let's see, I saw this.
Trump offers to help with Obama, help Obama with Presidential Library's disaster.
Apparently, he offered to help out with the development of the Obama Presidential Center, which has been plagued by huge cost overruns, delays, the project's embrace of diversity, equity, inclusion policies drawing significant attention recently.
Look, President Obama, if he wanted help, I'd give him help because I'm really a good builder and I build on time on budget.
He's building his library in Chicago.
It's a disaster.
He said that.
I mean, I'm sure it's Barack will give him a call.
And poor Michelle Obama is transitioning, you know, now that her kids have been raised.
You know, she's now dealing with the fact she's an empty nester.
She used the word transitioning.
I know it got a lot of people's attention.
We talked about it yesterday.
Columbia University lays off around 180 staff after the administration revoked their grants.
Well, it's interesting that they have, you know, tens of billions of dollars in all this money that they've been given, just like Harvard Havid has, what, how about it, 53 or 4, you know, billion dollars available to them in their endowments.
Anyway, so anyway, after the Trump administration announced they're canceling $400 million in federal grants, why should any taxpayer pay a penny?
For people to go to elite universities.
You don't have a right to take from hardworking Americans to go to elite universities.
You just don't.
There's something so fundamentally wrong about that.
You know, and it just, and the liberals are the ones that want it, which I find interesting, you know, considering they claim to care about poor people.
Well, poor people are the ones that pay the taxes that are paying these schools.
It's ridiculous.
By the way, Donald Trump did pick up on the story I told you at the beginning of the show, the Biden memo let the feds target Americans for non-criminal behavior.
You know, why do I believe that if we look deeper, that we're probably going to find out that that's illegal?
I would bet anything, any amount that that in fact is true.
We have information and news out of the Middle East, some of it good, not good.
In a message to Iran, Trump used bunker buster bombs to pound the Houthis into submission.
Now the Houthis are denying it.
This is what I suspect.
The Supreme Political Council, which is the Houdi Presidential Council, stated they have indirectly informed the U.S. that continued escalation would affect President Trump's planned visit to the region, emphasizing that this was the only message conveyed.
Let me tell you how I interpret that.
The Iranians got to them and said, you better listen to us.
We're providing you the weaponry or you'll have a problem with us.
Because the Houdis, I'm sure, did tell the Trump administration they plan to stop.
Now, if they want to keep getting pounded and they want to see their leadership taken out, I'm fine with that.
I'm not that worried as many others are.
I know India, Pakistan, they have had these flare-ups historically.
I don't like it, but usually they tend to calm down.
And I think it was Pakistan that said, maybe we want to rethink this today.
Well, hopefully that'll go away.
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