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That means all things Bill O'Reilly, all things Bill O'Reilly at BillO'Reilly.com.
He has a upcoming book called Confronting Evil, Assessing the Worst of the Worst.
And of course, we will, as per usual, not be giving Bill O'Reilly a cupcake interview.
We get very, very deep in the paint with those interviews.
Mr. O'Reilly, sir, how are you?
Happy Wednesday.
Thank you.
Thanks for mentioning the book.
It'll be out September 9th.
And Putin, Mao, Hitler, and the Ayatollah Homeani are on the cover, eight others inside.
And what we found out about Putin, that's the lead for the book.
So I think you're going to be interested.
We'll get it to you in probably a little after Memorial Day.
We'll have a galley.
You know what?
You've always very generous in giving me early copies of it.
And I do appreciate that.
I do.
I feel like I'm in the know when I get that.
You will not be surprised to know I checked out billoreilly.com and I read your take on the Democrats, your current take on the Democrats, and I think you were spot on.
You said they're not trying to solve difficult situations.
They're solely interested in opposing Trump.
I call that reverting to form.
That's all they really know.
And you said, you know, what are the Democrats' solutions to $37 trillion in debt to illegal drugs being smuggled in from Mexico?
And I'd add China to that, to ending wars in Europe and the Middle East, to the yearly trillion-dollar trade deficit, to preventing Iran from building nuclear weapons, to the exploding costs of health care.
And you rightly pointed out about Biden.
He had no specific plans to improve any of these things.
I would argue that he made things dramatically worse and handed off a mess to the Trump administration.
And it looks like the party is carrying on in Joe's tradition.
I would even argue that they're in the middle of a massive identity crisis and seem to be leaning towards the radicalism that defines their party today, which is even further left than Joe.
But what are they offering, Bill, except Jasmine Crockett, AOC, the squad, and Bernie Sanders, Grandpa Bernie?
Well, I think there should be a law that says if you go on television and criticize a policy, then you should have to have a better policy.
And then it should be a misdemeanor if you don't.
So you'd be handcuffed right on the set of the Hannity television program and led away.
It's such a waste of time and insulting to people watching and listening on the radio when you get critics up there who say, oh, the tariffs are terrible.
And then you go, well, what would you do instead?
Are you okay with a trillion dollar a year deficit in trade?
I asked that question last week to James Carvel.
know whether you saw that or not at a town hall we did i did not What was his answer?
Carville's gotten crazy.
The old James Carville that was part of the era of big government is over, the end of welfare as we know it, you know, that Carville's gone.
He's just angry, very, very angry and seemingly at times crazy.
But he's one of the main critics of this tariff situation.
And then very simple.
Okay, it might not work.
That's true.
I believe it's going to work.
My sourcing on it says that this meeting in Switzerland this coming weekend with the Chinese and the American delegation is a first step to stopping this trade war.
And it's a serious meeting.
By the way, I know it's a serious meeting.
I have my sources as you have yours.
And I could tell you, and this is what I've been predicting from the beginning, this is economically, you can use an analogy and say it's mutually assured destruction.
China needs access to our markets.
That's why they have to come to the table.
Now, we have things we need from them.
Now, American consumers want cheap items.
That's part of it.
But the more important part of it is China, unlike most of the rest of the world, was smart enough to go forward with these rare earth minerals.
And for the time being, we are getting, we will be independent of it by the end of the Trump administration.
We do need that.
So it's in everyone's best interest to make a deal, which I think it will be hard to make, but will happen.
Yeah, I agree that the trade war is not going to come to a much worse level than it is now.
So then once people's fears are allayed and the stock market begins to take on some momentum and the dollar firms overseas, then I suggested that if it all kicks in the way President Trump's vision has it kicking in, that Trump will go into Ronald Reagan territory.
Remember, Reagan in his second term was celebrated after a bumpy first term after Carter destroyed the American economy.
It took a while for Reagan to put it back together.
It's the same statement.
We suffered a recession for the first two years.
And remember, it took him much longer than it seems to be taking, assuming the one big beautiful bill gets passed.
It took Reagan two years to get his economic bill passed, and that killed him in the midterms.
That's right.
And his approval rating was low, but part of that was because he'd be shot and almost killed.
So they took him off the map for about three quarters of a year, as they wrote in killing Reagan.
But when you said that Biden is really shocking, and I'm not using that word in an overstatement, it's really shocking on how he ignored, not just couldn't do it.
He ignored these unbelievable problems.
Just turn it on.
He didn't just ignore them, Bill.
He lied and said that they didn't exist.
He said the border was closed and the border was secure.
He said inflation was transitory.
I mean, every, you know, he just denied the truth and reality of everything and the deficit, the debt went through the roof and denied that too, and the media covered for him.
And that's why you had that shock when Trump comes in and tries to correct all of them at the same time.
And you can debate whether maybe he could have spaced it out a little bit and lessened the pain.
But they had to be confronted.
You just cannot have an open border.
And Trump, that's his big victory so far.
And then when you're looking at a $37 trillion national debt, and people don't understand that before he left office, Biden signed paperwork that would have extended the debt $10 trillion more dollars funded.
And people don't understand why Doge was necessary, why Musk came in.
Yes, wasteful spending, crazy stuff.
Sure, that was the headline.
But when you had an administration that was basically just okaying every single thing, every spenditure you could possibly have, in 10 years, you're going to have a $50 trillion debt.
And I'll give you one example because this is a big Democratic propaganda talking point, Medicaid.
Medicaid is so far out of control because states like California use federal money, which funds most of Medicaid to the states, to pay the health costs of undocumented migrants.
They use it for social programs like dance lessons in poor neighborhoods, things like that.
And there's no, Biden made no attempt to rein any of this in at all.
None of it.
And so then when you have a new president coming, go, we've got to stop all of this because we simply cannot continue on this bankruptcy projection.
And then you get his party going, oh, no, you can't stop any spending.
I don't know one program the Democrats want to stop or cut outside of the Defense Department.
Do you?
Do you know one program?
No, not at all.
Well, here's what I see, and this is why I think you're completely on the right track here.
And hear me out on this.
Doge already is headed towards $200 billion identified that they can find waste, fraud, abuse, corruption, and still savings and some discipline in the budgetary process.
Since the president even began threatening tariffs, over $8 trillion from countries and companies has been committed to be spent in this country on manufacturing in the next four years, including auto manufacturing, pharmaceutical manufacturing, semiconductors, things that are important to national security.
The tax cuts that will be made permanent, including no tax on tips, social security, or overtime.
Well, Reagan dropped the top marginal rate from 70 to 28 percent.
Revenues to the government doubled.
Unfortunately, Washington spent a buck 25 for every new dollar he brought in.
And add to that, the president's commitment to energy dominance, which is, I think, the area where we become an energy-rich nation.
That to me foundationally is what gets us to what you are describing as a period of great economic hope and prosperity.
And added to that is the Republican Party under Donald Trump will become the party of hardworking men and women again because opportunities are going to be abundant in this country for high-paying career jobs.
Look, if Trump realizes the potential that he has laid out and that the American economy becomes more self-sufficient, then he will go down as one of the greatest presidents in the history of the country, despite all of the rhetoric and all of the controversy and all of that.
Because the American people, you hear Bernie Sanders and Alcasio-Cortez and most Democrats say, oh, oh, the income disparity, oh, the billionaires, oligarchy, all of that.
Well, how do you ever think you're going to close that if you don't have an infrastructure that pays workers more money?
See, that's a question I would ask Bernie Sanders.
He couldn't possibly answer it because Bernie's not that smart.
Okay?
But you're screaming up there about income inequality.
That's all you do.
You mean the tour that he took with AOC on a private jet?
Is the private jet part of the oligarchy that they're fighting?
That shows their sensitivity to the issue.
But they don't understand how you have to restructure an economy to close that income.
See, you and I care about the same thing.
And I'll use your term for it, the folks.
Because we were the folks.
We are the folks.
In other words, our backgrounds make us very sympathetic to the people that really do make this country great.
The people that listen to this program, that watch our shows and have been so loyal to us over the years.
They're the people that make this country great, Bill.
And they're the ones, I'll use another Bill O'Reilly term, that have been hosed by their government for years.
We had four years of complete inaction, denial, and outright lying.
And these problems have got dramatically worse.
And Donald Trump, frankly, with lightning speed, is addressing all of these big issues at once.
It's a very heavy lift, but it's necessary if we're going to save the country.
You know, it's interesting because Trump and Musk are so wealthy, it's just beyond comprehension.
I mean, they don't have to worry about any kind of bill.
You're kind of right up there, O'Reilly.
You're pretty close.
Well, not in that zone, believe me.
But you would think that they might not care because a lot of oligarchs, billionaires don't.
But it seems, and the last time I talked to President Trump, I do most of the listening when I talk to him on the phone.
I don't really badger him or anything.
It seemed that he was distressed by the failure of the American people to understand the bigger picture, what you get from the tariffs.
It's difficult to get the deals he thinks he's going to get them.
But anything worth having is difficult.
Didn't your mom tell you that, everybody?
My mother told me.
Anything worthwhile in life is hard.
That's right.
That if Trump can succeed in changing the American economy from basically a service to a manufacturing, then wages will rise much faster than if you kept the status quo, which the Democrats want to do.
See, it's okay to say oligarchs, billionaires, income, you know, all of this, but if you don't have a plan and they don't, how are you ever going to improve anything?
And that's the question that I have because I don't think these people are genuinely.
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When I told people I was making a podcast about Benghazi, nine times out of ten, they called me a masochist, rolled their eyes, or just asked, why?
Benghazi, the truth became a web of lies.
It's almost a dirty word, one that connotes conspiracy theory.
Will we ever get the truth about the Benghazi massacre?
Bad faith, political warfare, and frankly, bullshit.
We kill the ambassador just to cover something up.
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What is this guy's name on MSDNC?
I guess he's a regular contributor.
What is it?
Ellie Mistahl?
Ellie Mistal.
I don't know.
Do you know who Ellie Mistal is?
He's some professor or something.
You know anything about him?
You know, anything at all?
I know he's a liberal hack.
I think that encompasses all of my thoughts on Ellie Mistahl.
There you go.
This is what he said.
And MSDNC has just gone off the rails.
They are out of their minds.
Just listen to what he says.
That's insinuating they were ever on the rails.
Boy, oh boy, you're feeling good today.
You're being kind.
I'm being kind.
Listen.
If I get shot, if I get murdered by an undocumented immigrant, please tell my children I did not care that they were undocumented.
I get shot.
I get killed by an aliyah.
I don't care that it's an illegal.
I care.
I care that our government literally had the most preventable national security, unmitigated disaster and allowed, you know, 12, 14, 15, whatever the number is, unvetted illegal immigrants into this country, including known terrorists, murderers, rapists, violent criminals, cartel members, and gang members.
No, that would bother me.
And I wish my family could actually sue them.
Of course, it's difficult to sue your federal government for screwing up, but as far as I'm concerned, these individuals that let this happen, blood on their hands, period, end of sentence.
They're responsible.
And the whole time, we need Congress to act.
Well, Donald Trump proved that was a lie, too, on top of the lie that the border's closed and the border's secure.
Let me take you back because this issue of Joe Biden is cognitive state, another big lie and collusion with the legacy, state-run legacy media mob and Democrats.
They're all now defending themselves from these idiotic statements they made.
Circle back Jin Saki saying, you know, I have a hard time keeping up with him.
And meanwhile, years earlier, we were pointing out what a cognitive mess he is.
And let's go back to March of 2024.
Liberal Joe, Liberal Joe on his show, this is what he said about Joe Biden being his best self right now, intellectually, et cetera.
Listen.
Start your tape right now because I'm about to tell you the truth.
And F you if you can't handle the truth.
This version of Biden, intellectually, analytically, is the best Biden ever.
Not a close second.
And I've known him for years.
The Brzezinskis have known him for 50 years.
If it weren't the truth, I wouldn't say it.
Really?
Intellectually.
Really?
This is March of 2024.
There's not a single person with eyes in their head that can see that would agree with that stupid statement.
So I guess we should all go F ourselves.
Oh, okay.
Liberal Joe.
Now, why do I say that?
Because now Liberal Joe, because he has such great judgment in people, is praising AOC as someone that can carry the Democratic message forward.
I love him saying this, to be very honest.
Let's play it.
I understand that AOC may be more progressive than a lot of people.
I also understand that she's one of the most articulate, exciting people in the Democratic field.
She goes out with Bernie Sanders.
And yeah, she just draws so many people very good, very effective in hearings.
They need somebody young like AOC.
And again, it's not about ideology.
You know, she can carry the message forward for a Democratic Party that really needs to reach out to younger Americans.
Really?
I mean, he's got Liberal Joe has just this great ability to ascertain the character of people that are in high office or potentially have ambition to run for high office.
All right, let's get to our phones.
Let us say hi to Rick in Rhode Island.
Rick, where are you in Rhode Island?
Glad you called, sir.
Hey, Sean, nice to talk to you, my friend.
Nice to talk to you.
What's going on?
Where in Rhode Island do you live?
I live in East Providence, right?
Where did you live when you were here?
I lived in Warren.
I wasn't that far away, maybe 15 minutes away from where you are.
You were in Warren.
I graduated in 1979, Warren High School.
Wow.
I mean, you know what?
It was a great town, very New England.
I love the architecture there.
For a short time, I worked for Blount Marine in Warren, Rhode Island.
My dad was electrician at Blount Marine for 23 years.
Yo, your dad worked for Blount Marine?
Yep, he was head electrician for 23 years.
What's on your mind today?
How stupid the Democrats think that we must be to keep saying that, oh, I never saw Joe Biden with any decline.
He was fine.
He was so sharp, we couldn't keep up with him.
Oh, he got more done in a day than most people get done in a month.
Come on.
In the meantime, we're watching him shake hands with people that are not there.
Say that he met with foreign leaders that died 20 years ago, calling on reporters that had also passed away, can't find his way off a stage or walk a set of stairs.
And they're saying, oh, he was sharp as a tag.
We never noticed any decline.
They must think we're so stupid that we're just going to say, oh, they never saw any decline.
Oh, we must not have seen what we think we saw.
Come on.
What do you think, Sean?
The fact that they're sticking to the lie still.
Let me just sum up how right you are by playing this.
The political coverage.
Look, some of the political players and some of the, let me ask a rhetorical question.
No, anyways.
That kind of sums it up, Rick.
Anyway, good call, my friend.
All my best to my friends in New England.
Let's say hi to Mike in Mississippi.
Mike, how are you?
Glad you called.
Doing great.
I'm doing great, Mr. Hannity.
How are you doing today?
I'm good, man.
I'm doing good today.
You sound like you're doing good.
I love when people are upbeat.
You know what?
There's a lot in life that's not perfect.
There's a lot we should be grateful for.
And it sounds like you have a grateful heart.
I can hear it.
Everybody asks me, how are you doing?
And I just tell them any better, and I couldn't stand it.
I love that answer.
You know what the worst part is?
It's like, you know, when you say casually, oh, how's everything?
And then somebody goes on a long rant telling you how miserable their life is.
And you're like, why did I ask?
Not that you don't want to sympathize with people or have empathy for people, but there are moments where, like, oh, I shouldn't have asked that question.
Right.
Like, you kind of feel bad about it sometimes.
I get it.
You do.
You do.
You're a great American, sir.
Listen to you all the time in my truck when I'm driving up and down the road keeping America rolling.
Well, thank you for what you do.
The Democrat Party in general against people in wheelchairs.
I don't get it.
I don't get it either.
Look, I've had situations in my career when I'm on the road that for security reasons, I've gotten, I've gotten treatment that I don't want, need, or ever desire.
And then sometimes security people overrule you depending on what the scenario or situation is.
I've had such situations where, you know, I've had threats or situations where people are violent.
You know, I saw the incident at the airport.
It sounds like this was just an entitled incident.
And you know what?
I'd rather just wait in the back of the line.
You know, just like when I go to the grocery store, I wait online.
I picked, I try and pick the shortest line, then I just wait, or I just do my own self-checkout, which I always love doing.
And because I think I'm really fast at it.
And I find those barcodes quick and boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.
Pack my own bags.
I'm out of there.
I don't know.
I mean, sometimes you don't know, and I'm not making an excuse for it or her, but I can't tell you how many times I've been walked into events through kitchens and back areas of hotels in the course of my life.
And it's only because when you're a public figure, there are people out there that don't like you.
And it puts other people also in a situation that's not safe.
And I don't like to do that to other people.
It can get a little more complicated and nuanced, but I'm not making excuses for her.
That seemed pretty entitled to me.
Yeah, well, what brought it to me like that was what she said about the governor in the wheelchair calling him governor Hot Wheels and all that.
And to me, that's a I was just mean.
Let me play with, let me remind people what she said.
Because we in these hot-ass Texas streets, honey.
Y'all know we got Governor Hot Wheels down there.
Come on now.
And the only thing hot about him is that he is a hot ass mess, honey.
So, so yes.
And she thinks she might be the future and the leader of the Democratic Party.
She said that, I don't know, but I might be.
I don't think so.
Mike in Mississippi, we can all learn from you, my friend.
God bless you, and God bless your family, buddy.
All right, Sean, thanks.
Quick break.
Right back.
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Asher, Illinois, next, Sean Hannity show.
Hi, Sean.
Thanks for having me on.
Thank you.
I was wondering about Israel.
What's like the whole policy going on in the White House?
And between the Houthis, the new attack.
I don't know what's going on, really.
Well, we thought we had an agreement with the Houthis.
My guess is in a message to Iran, you know, Trump used bunker buster bombs to pound the Houthis in a submission.
And then they got in touch with the White House, said no Moss.
They didn't want anymore.
Now the Supreme Political Council, the Houthis presidential council, stated that they have indirectly informed the U.S. that continued escalation would impact the president's planned visit to the region, emphasizing that this was the only message conveyed.
To me, I read that as the Iranians got to them and said, how dare you say no Moss and the fight's over and we're going to not listen to Iran.
That's my interpretation of it.
I see.
I think, and the net result will be they're going to continue to get the crap pounded out of them and there's not a damn thing they'll be able to do.
All right.
Also, I had an idea for President Trump that in honor of the U.S. 25th birthday, he should polish the Statue of Liberty and make it stacked to the copper color.
Think like a nice ceremony.
I mean, that's not a bad idea.
Not a bad idea at all.
Pretty good now.
It's 250, by the way.
But, you know, let's not split hairs.
Yeah.
All right, Asher.
Appreciate you.
God bless Texas.
Jerry, how are you?
Glad you called.
Hi, Sean.
I'm a fan since 1996 from the Sean Hannity and Alan Combs days.
Well, thank you, my friend.
What's going on?
The 11th Amendment, Sean.
In there, it has a closet.
Citizens and subjects of foreign states do not have the judicial power of the United States and shall not be construed or extended to any suit in law or equity.
I'm pulling out my Constitution because I have it right here in front of me, as I always do.
And the text of it is that an amendment to the Constitution, you know, ratified, this is 1795, restricts the ability of individuals to bring suit against states of which they are not citizens in federal court.
It was adopted to overrule a Supreme Court decision.
And in that case, the court held that states did not enjoy sovereign immunity from suits made by citizens of other states in federal court.
And it establishes the federal courts do not have the authority to hear cases brought by private parties against the state.
There's a lot to this, and there's a lot of legal.
What is your biggest point of it?
Because the judicial power of the United States shall not be construed to extend to any suit in law or equity commenced or prosecuted against one of the United States by citizens of another state or citizens or subjects of any foreign state.
You're talking about the foreign state provision.
Yes, sir.
And it has to do with the people claiming that the due process is due to people that are not citizens of the United States, but are citizens of a foreign state under the 5th and 14th Amendments.
Yeah, I think your interpretation is correct based on the actual reading of the amendment.
I do.
And I think it's legally sound.
But I got to run.
I'm up on a hard break here.
Thank you, my friend.
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What difference at this point does it make?
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